(Not discounting that the lag was server side) I just hope my raw screen recording can open WGs eyes a bit more
#tourneys-discussion
thorn shale
winter swallow
@chilly terrace - you have multiple reliable persons from Asia and NA highlighting a problem that is happening in tournaments.
The time for denying the issue is over. Actually - I think it was never appropriate to deny it.
@thorn shale do you encounter such issues in randoms or ratings?
thorn shale
@winter swallow yep had the same but not quite as dramatic issue in random matches since 7.0 dropped.
(Didn’t want to bring that up here though to give an excuse for the problem to be ignored and written off)
I will say though that this server lag during the tournament was the most egregious example. The entire match was essentially unplayable. While I’m not the tech guy, it seems the issue was drastically worse within tournament matches, and maybe the tournament team can provide some insight as to why
@vital obsidian I’d say that’s more appropriate for #585463961730940929 unfortunately
low badger
@chilly terrace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFN1blLn-04&feature=youtu.be I mean, between low memory (or processing capacity) and sketch netcode, you can get a lot of these issues.
livid galleon
Wow...
That's a brutal video.
arctic axle
Soo it looks like only EU and RU servers are performing okish now that NA battles look like something out of harry potter.
tribal skiff
We’ve been having those issues pretty consistently in tier eight quicks on NA, to the point where the caller is changing the strategy just to factor in the lag, because you just can’t play normally under those conditions
flat goblet
Ye, have to play the cap game and hope enemy lags enough to cut their DPM.
tribal skiff
Basically. We’ve resorted to running six 252s and hoping the lag makes them aim at the many impenetrable spots instead of the lower plate
Works more than it doesn’t, depressingly
graceful jetty
Oh no lag so bad we absolutely have to use 6 op tanks, so sad
livid galleon
It's not like tier 8 tourneys need any more ways to be a crapshoot than there already are
graceful jetty
Bug where the minimap says the enemy LT is at that spot but in reality hes long gone. Was confused af for ages
final zenith
The reward for the tournament is distributed equally among the team's players, or does each player receive the amount indicated in the "rewards" column? (3290000 credits per player for example)
thorn shale
@fathom cedar use #tourneys-team-search channel for that
tender shell
@final zenith Among all the players
proud holly
Play time is factored as well^
swift pulsar
need one for NA server OTB
proud holly
red vapor
lagging again
spiral arch
These tournaments are unplayable WG! Absolute trash.
minor sierra
Lagging bad men
dense pilot
The tournies are unplayable due to the unbelievable lag.
harsh ember
Thank you WG very cool, 30-40 ping and 0% packet loss. Few other people i played with were doing some wack matrix stuff as well 🍉
tribal skiff
I’m seriously considering just not playing tournaments until this is resolved. Wins are determined by who gets luckier with the lag just as often as they re determined by skill
mild lichen
yes me too since some update the tournaments have really degraded lag, no spectator mode, problems to launch the tournaments I find it really boring
minor sierra
Yes problem to start the tournament. I have to close and open the game few times to start the tournament. Lagging is the problem. 200 ping with 5% loss.
mild lichen
personally I prefer that they do an update to fix the bugs than an update that brings us new content and maybe even more bugs
obsidian vine
Ya there’s no point the lag is too bad, its another level beyond unplayable. QTs are honestly broken, no specs and extremely awful Lag that just ruins games
mild lichen
@obsidian vine the QT are still playable because it is not a permanent lag it is peak of lag which are mainly present when one spots and towards the end of the game
chilly terrace
this literally was the same for Asia during professionals and 0 attention was given and we were told that it was something out of their control
@silver vapor
Each situation is considered separately. There were not problems that we could fix from our side during professionals tournament.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace @frosty nexus I know you guys don’t deal directly with technical issues, but here is a video showing horrible horrible server side lag in the tier X quick tournament we had last night. Anyone else who played last night can tell you how bad it was in some of the quick tournament matches. This seems to be a very serious issue and as far as I’m aware was not happening with this severity in public matches.
@thorn shale
Hello!
We didn't find any issues from our side. We could see that you had some problem battle sessions at this time, but they weren't caused by server. The only one thing that I can recommend is do tracing to login0.wotblitz.com or login1.wotblitz.com when you have lag and share the results with us.
It's important to do the tracing when you are logged in and when you face lags.
spiral arch
We had battles last night where all players from both teams were complaining about lag.
chilly terrace
We had battles last night where all players from both teams were complaining about lag.
@spiral arch
And I have the same recommendation for you. There were no any server issues during these games and the only one possible way to know where the problem is do tracing from your side.
pale finch
lol
dense pilot
So you propose that in the middle of a tournament we run a ping plot or restart our routers even though we have teammates over three time zones stating the exact same problem? While my sample size (in the moment of the tournament) is seven people, the fact that you’re now hearing this complaint from many more people this morning may show the problem is not on the player’s end
glass thunder
do you guys have tournaments in NA ?
thorn shale
@dense pilot @spiral arch look at all these familiar faces!
spiral arch
We just stopped by for our quarterly “it’s not us, it’s you” post from WG😂
chilly terrace
So you propose that in the middle of a tournament we run a ping plot or restart our routers even though we have teammates over three time zones stating the exact same problem? While my sample size (in the moment of the tournament) is seven people, the fact that you’re now hearing this complaint from many more people this morning may show the problem is not on the player’s end
@dense pilot
I gave you a recommendation how to find a reason of problems. If you want, you can ignore it. Unfortunately, there are much reasons that can cause lags besides the server issues and we cannot to know what happens while your signal comes from you to our server and back.
spiral arch
If only you had some state side IT people that could check on this. Then you would not have to rely on your paying customers to solve the problem or troubleshoot for you.
mild lichen
@chilly terrace can put you the link for the site I can't access it
chilly terrace
If only you had some state side IT people that could check on this. Then you would not have to rely on your paying customers to solve the problem or troubleshoot for you.
@spiral arch This is not troubleshooting for us. We didn't have any issues with server as I said before. This information is confirmed by our IT-specialists. We would like to fix problem, but the route from your device to our server is not under our control.
dense pilot
Thank you for your kind and passive aggressive response. I’ll run a ping plotter before a tournament (if my clanmates wants to waste two hours of our time for little return). If there happens to be heavy lag during a match, I’ll let them know I’m going AFK during a match just so I can obtain an accurate reading. On the off chance I am wrong, I’ll gladly eat humble pie. Otherwise I’ll expect nothing from you. Thank you for your time.
spiral arch
Have your IT specialists play in a QT on the NA server and run tracing.
chilly terrace
Have your IT specialists play in a QT on the NA server and run tracing.
@spiral arch
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. They need to visit your city, use the same device as you, use the same provider as you and run tracing after that. Otherwise, any results of tracing wouldn't be relevant for your case.
spiral arch
Call of Duty Mobile, PUBG no issues. WOTB issues. I guess my device and provider are playing favorites.
dense pilot
@thorn shale nice to see you bud.
chilly terrace
Call of Duty Mobile, PUBG no issues. WOTB issues. I guess my device and provider are playing favorites.
@spiral arch
It can happen because all these games have different servers and the routes to these servers are different as well.
arctic axle
Is summer season new? Don't remember something happening like it in the previous years.
Another thing I would like to know is why would the ascends be played in tier 8. It just doesn't seem logical
glass thunder
summer season could be more great if it was tier 10 i will not say anything bad about tier 8 but its good to have such tournaments
chilly terrace
Is summer season new? Don't remember something happening like it in the previous years.
Another thing I would like to know is why would the ascends be played in tier 8. It just doesn't seem logical
@arctic axle
Yes, this season is new. Ascents will be played in tier 8 because the Summer Season Championship will be played in tier 8 as well.
If you ask about the reason of choosing tier 8 for summer season, it's because tier 8 tournament is easier to participate. Of course, it doesn't mean that we will use tier 8 in all season tournaments in further.
mild lichen
another question why spectator mode disappeared from QT
chilly terrace
another question why spectator mode disappeared from QT
@mild lichen
There is an issue with it which is being fixed. As soon as it will be fixed, we will come it back for quick tournaments.
thorn shale
yikes
pallid raven
Wow, quick tournaments... I can't wait!
thorn shale
Sick. I haven't played in a tourney yet
glass thunder
its good tournament but not worth to stop blitz masters for this tier 8 season
arctic axle
@chilly terrace As it is said, a clan can participate with two teams but only one would be counted on the leaderboard. If both teams from a single clan get a cup score within the middle/top echelon would that mean that only one team, with the higher points, from the clan will get tickets to the championship?
pallid raven
If it's tier 8 they might as well make it mixed, because the team which will win will be the one with the most obj 252u
tranquil seal
And here we go again with people willing to play tournaments from desktops...
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace As it is said, a clan can participate with two teams but only one would be counted on the leaderboard. If both teams from a single clan get a cup score within the middle/top echelon would that mean that only one team, with the higher points, from the clan will get tickets to the championship?
@arctic axle
Hello!
Tickets will be given out for all clan members. Each clan will be able to send up to two teams to the Summer Season Championship.
echo wagon
Are premiumtanks really allowed? I mean than T8 competative is just stupid pay2win...
And for this the Blitz masters was canceled. Big stonks
chilly terrace
Are premiumtanks really allowed? I mean than T8 competative is just stupid pay2win...
And for this the Blitz masters was canceled. Big stonks
@echo wagon There is not any vehicle restrictions besides the tier in season tournaments.
gentle sierra
That's gonna be an interesting tourney
echo wagon
@echo wagon There is not any vehicle restrictions besides the tier in season tournaments.
@chilly terrace you canceld the best tournament in the last years (BM) for a T8 tournament without vehicle restriction. Why? T8 is so unbalenced and so much pay2win and no Pro Clan is really interested in this tier.
vital obsidian
How many teams in the top echeclon? 8...16 depending on clan sending one or 2 teams?
Is the ticket loophole gone ?
pallid raven
@tranquil seal guess you missed the point, just whoooshed over you
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace you canceld the best tournament in the last years (BM) for a T8 tournament without vehicle restriction. Why? T8 is so unbalenced and so much pay2win and no Pro Clan is really interested in this tier.
@echo wagon We didn't cancel any tournament because of this season.
Tier 8 was chosen as more available for all players. We disagree with your statements about pay2win and unbalanced vehicles on this tier.
How many teams in the top echeclon? 8...16 depending on clan sending one or 2 teams?
Is the ticket loophole gone ?
@vital obsidian 8/16. There is not any ticketed tournament in this season, because we don't need such accuracy of distribution clans in the leaderboard as in previous one.
harsh ember
How is a tier 8 tournament not p2w😂 I would be surprised if someone used even one tech tree tank
minor sierra
This is the break you are looking for. Tracing from Vancouver Canada to your server, using core i7 16 g PC on 200mpbs fibra internet connection. @chilly terrace
echo wagon
Than make two tournaments: one for t10, where the top/pro Teams can Play and T8 for the other palyers...
Maby you make sth like a league system on t10 and accent on t8
chilly terrace
This is the break you are looking for. Tracing from Vancouver Canada to your server, using core i7 16 g PC on 200mpbs fibra internet connection.
@minor sierra And you are logged in at this time?
minor sierra
Yes I am
chilly terrace
Than make two tournaments: one for t10, where the top/pro Teams can Play and T8 for the other palyers...
Maby you make sth like a league system on t10 and accent on t8
@echo wagon
We are not going to use tier 8 in all seasons, but it's possible for seasons like summer that don't have such rewards as major seasons. Generally, there is no reason to split big tournaments for two tiers.
echo wagon
I know you have to say that there is no pay2win. But we all know t8 is p2w. So why there are premiumtanks allowed in a competative tournament with a price pool? I mean i maby cant play in this, beacause i dont have good premiumtanks...
pale finch
I mean he’s right, it’s good that the major tournaments are focused on tier X, the most viable tier 8 tanks are all premium tanks and will be a huge majority of the tanks being played. There’s no doubt regarding that
chilly terrace
I know you have to say that there is no pay2win. But we all know t8 is p2w. So why there are premiumtanks allowed in a competative tournament with a price pool? I mean i maby cant play in this, beacause i dont have good premiumtanks...
@echo wagon
Premium tanks are allowed because we don't see any reason to prohibit them. I got your point about pay2win in tier 8, but as I said before, I disagree with it.
pale finch
I’m sorry but disagreeing with what he said about tier 8 being pay to win? @chilly terrace I can guarantee you that in the good teams at least 5/7 tanks being played will be premiums, action X, 252u etc will dominate and the tech tree tanks are so incredibly useless compared to the premium ones.
echo wagon
T8 is not p2w: than tell me, wich heavy Tank can i play, that is free to play an better than 252u, defender, ax...an wich TD is better than the wz?
If There is no answer, it is p2w and there is no answer!
minor sierra
@pale finch using premiums in tournament can make more credits. Thais why we use premium. My team members do not think using premium tanks have any special advantages over non premium tanks
main belfry
This is gonna be 7 252u vs. 7 252u. This is boring. I bet not even 50% of the spring season people will watch. I think you cut your own flash with that. Most well known clans won’t participate anyways.
echo wagon
@minor sierra nobody will play an is3 when he can play a 252u. And this is p2w
pale finch
Let me finish bashing my head into nearby furniture before I will continue typing in this chat
solar coral
@minor sierra probably cuz you cant play any of them correctly anyway 🙃
harsh ember
why use an IS3/KV4 when you can just throw money at the game and get a 252u or WZ 112-2
solar coral
The only tech tree tanks thats going to get used is probably ISU or a Pantera
main belfry
WG is just doing that so people buy more premiums anyways. Rip 12yo‘s and their parents wallets.
echo wagon
Or people who don't pay for a 2% chance of getting a OP t8.
vital obsidian
tiger 2 and borsig might be used depending on map
fathom tiger
probs fv301
minor sierra
@echo wagon my team members like to use Tiger 2 sometimes over 252u in Normandy map if they dont need credits that night.
nova lily
Hello Wargaming, I have simple question about your "tournament section" (if something like that exsists). So at the beginning...This Ascent tournaments on VIII tiers is joke yes ? If its not, then gz because tier VIII is pay2win ( don't even try to dispute this statement... ), its unbalanced ( for ex. 252u,tigerII ) moreover you seriously thinking that any clan will tryhard this ?! I dont think so because without hiding this tiers ( even quicks ) are for "bots", Lets be fair... This Ascents are one big MISTAKE and JOKE. So maybe organise Twister Cup on tier VI what do you think about it ? @echo wagon lol ? If they will enjoy 50wr clans which used only 252u etc. then congratz because they deserved for this xDDD ( i mean for top8 for ex. )
echo wagon
@nova lily wg said tier 8 is good Balanced and not pay2win. Read the chat pls
elfin anvil
Yes tier 8 is the most unbalanced tier, and yes, its pay2win. But aslong any amount of money is involved there will be teams that tryhard, no matter the conditions they play under.
echo wagon
The best would be, if all top Teams will make "fun" games on T10 against each other wich will be streamed. Then nobody will care about the wg tournament. 🤔
Or another tournament like Summer masters
minor sierra
@solar coral thank you for pointing out it is not pay2win. The players still need to know how to play that tanks correctly. So it isnot you pay you win for sure.
main belfry
@echo wagon wg doesn’t allow them to do that xD
tribal skiff
I’m predicting an average of nine 252s per battle once the first round and a lot of the... less skilled teams are gone
nova lily
Just wow WG I knew that this company sometimes is doing strange things but you r dumber than i ever tought
left portal
Mmmmm tier 8 comp
If y’all wanted to switch it up you should of done tier 9. That would of been very interesting and different and still not pay to win
thorn shale
Yo why is it tier 8 comp. People that don’t pay money on this game will have no chance what so ever. There are broken tier 8’s and there is no strats and skill required because the tier is so stupid. You will have 7 252u yolo into each other and that’s your tournaments. Change it to tier 10 wg where it takes skill, strats, and a great team to win. If it’s tier 8 some unheard of clan if somehow going to win because they have all 252
fathom tiger
the company works when people buy their products tier 8 premiums are pretty good source of money
vital obsidian
we can expect so see some crates soon
earnest crane
Tfw a tier 8 summer tourney has a larger prize pool than the tier X spring season
gentle sierra
Yes not p2w at all 😂 😂 😂 , playerbase opa
chilly hemlock
The VK 100.01 P is the first non premium tank for win rate in tier 8. It has the 28th highest win rate
@chilly terrace how do you disagree with this?
tribal skiff
Well, time to dust off the six 252 strategies. I don’t like it, but that’s how you win at tier eight, unfortunately
thorn shale
Just pull up some isu's to frag these obj252u easy
hardy prairie
What happens when the 252u gets 3 shot jajaja
near anvil
I’m incredibly disappointed by WG’s decision to make this tournament tier 8. As a ftp player, I am now locked out of doing my favorite thing in this game, which is tournaments and competitive play
dim river
just get a tiger 2 or VK100, T34 is also somewhat used to pen all 3
chilly hemlock
Why aren’t premiums banned from all tournaments? Competitions are supposed to be held on level ground
thorn shale
Tier 8 is fun ngl, If people spamming op tanks such as wz120 obj, ax etc you can still beat these tanks with tech tree tanks like vk100, isu and some other tech tree tanks
sly hornet
from an economics point of view, they could just go sell a ton of tier 8 premiums in crates before the tourney starts... ez moneys
near anvil
At high levels of competition, the differences between tech tree and premium become even more pronounced. Sure, you could play tech tree tanks and do reasonably well, but you’d be losing the edge that the premiums give you
glass thunder
just the players who play prem tanks are better than who play tech tree tanks ez
dim river
mostly ^
nova lily
Cmon everybody knew that WG is money-focused but not completely... but this decision with Ascents is only showing that they are think only about money and selling crates with 4% drop gj WG respect-.
thorn shale
Wg should introduce LT-432 in crates for 1% droprate
tribal skiff
If they drop the 252 and WZ120 in crates immediately before the season, admittedly more likely than not, they will lose a ton of the already dwindling respect of the playerbase
@tender swallow you aren’t wrong to be offended, but they take name-shaming FAR too seriously on this server, and you’ll likely get an angry mod in a few minutes. Again, I don’t blame you, but unfortunately, this server isn’t a great place for that
tender swallow
this is the behavior of the clan znth which is represented by @west cradle @split tiger @arctic axle on this server. There was no provocation from our side up until this point. We did not write anything in the first game and nothing in that game until they started with their provocative behavior. Really a sign of good sportmanship. @tribal skiff name shaming is my intention, i dont care what the mods do. @nova lily i dont want them to get a chat ban i want everyone to see that they are bad players. Not on the skill side but on every other side
nova lily
Moreover y'all can see how they care about players...This event for 6th birthday was ok here I can agree but look... Most of tournament players ,lets say above average players including pros (if not then sry mb) are complaining about this Tier8 but wont change it cuz they care only about money and they are again showing middle finger to the community @tender swallow dont cry about it here...for that you have customer support
tribal skiff
Fair enough @tender swallow, I just wanted to warn you
thorn shale
I smell beef🍖
tender swallow
just great to play against players like that
dim river
that’s actually disgusting, “respected veterans” being vulgar in game
thorn shale
🤣🤣💀
tribal skiff
You’d be surprised how often it happens, unfortunately
pallid raven
Wargaming be like: turn off chat, it's your fault...
tender swallow
I thinks it is sad to see, they played well and won in a fair way. But then that, I dont get it
pallid raven
Lol, it's Sam Jefferies, it's his coping mechanisms.
echo wagon
and they spamed a lot in the chat
nova lily
Lol, it's Sam Jefferies, it's his coping mechanisms.
@pallid raven xD
thorn shale
Where did znth got all the salt from? I heard McDonalds is running out of it smh
dim river
bro they got it from the Dead Sea
livid galleon
I raised the idea of tier 9 tournaments and it got rejected unfortunately
"Tier 8 is balanced" ????????
excuse me? are we talking about the same tier?
The one that has tanks like the WZ 120 Fake Tank, The defender mk 1, the canaervon AX, the 252u, the prog 46, and many others?
Might as well run tier 7 tournaments with 7 smashers/side
I get that I am like, the whiniest man to ever man, but to say tier 8 is balanced? really?
Also there is no server side issues on lag? Are all the videos that have already been posted in this channel not enough? Whenever I play blitz, I run a command prompt that continually pings google's servers and displays the response time to get a good idea in case I have lag. Whenever this server side lag happens, my connection to google is always below 20 ms. WG are living under one hell of a rock.
dim river
maybe because you are using that external application you are kneecapping yourself
proud holly
Tier 8 is not balanced.
tribal skiff
You can’t convince me that tanks like the 252, Caernarvon AX, WZ120, ect, aren’t overpowered and don’t obsolete every tech tree tank out there, with the possible exceptions of the Tiger 2 and ISU. Just... why run an IS3, or a T32 or any of those tanks?
dim river
because you look more legit when you win
thorn shale
because you look more legit when you win
@dim river spitting factss
near anvil
Tiger 2 is definitely obsolete, vs players who know what prammo is, you just go straight through the front
livid galleon
@dim river lmao it's literally akin to a connection monitor, phrasing it as an "external application" is a bit disingenuous.
Also, you don't get a medal for using only tech tree tanks
arctic axle
@tender swallow mate, I am not even in the team... why include me?
I can't apologize or do anything about something I didn't do. So just shut up and stop blaming people for something they didn't even take part in
harsh ember
ok 🦧
thorn shale
🐵
tender swallow
I am not sorry, you have the clan tag in your name so everything your clan does falls back to you
arctic axle
That has got to be the single dumbest line I have read in a while. Its like saying to a random person that he is responsible for crimes, which his friend committed.
dim river
really, the least you could do is apologise for some of their behaviour.
tender swallow
He does not need to. I can see by his messages that he fits in the clan perfetly. He is telling me to shut up and calls my message dumb. I mean i dont think he even knows what an apology is. The topic is over for me, I told them to contact us if they want to talk about it and we will see if they do it. I find their behavior extremly unnecessary and disrespectful.
arctic axle
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ask for an apology directly from those who offended you, not from the people who are only affiliated with them.
dim river
well I do know if my clan did it I certainly would apologise. Sorry about being all confrontational like that.
mild garden
@tender swallow if they were trash talking you I don’t think they would be interested in contacting you to talk about it
Not that I am defending them in any way, just being realistic
eternal niche
Kind of disappointed to see that the clan leader was involved in that
proud holly
mmmmm bananabread
thorn shale
Can someone pass me the salt?
dim river
Himalayan or Mediterranean?
vagrant phoenix
gma with 7 pz iii 🐒
thorn shale
@red vapor I missed that. How'd it turn out?
nova lily
this ascent tournaments are joke 😄
thorn shale
Bet
red vapor
@chilly terrace Will the summer season championship have 9 player slots or 10?
pale finch
Good question, I hope it’s 10
sharp igloo
🐞
sly axle
To see Wargaming blatantly state that tier 8 premium tanks are balanced is truly a sad sight to see.
Wargaming clearly knows there are broken OP tier 8 tanks or else they wouldn’t sell said tanks (like the chimera, 252u, etc) in crates with abysmal drop rates 80% of the time (gambling) and for 50 dollars (in cash or in gold) the other 20% of the time.
A prime example of this is the chinese crates that came out awhile back. The wz-120g-ft was four times rarer than all the other winnable chinese tanks including the tier ten ones, and we only found that out because wargaming is required to disclose all drop chances of items on the chinese server. This was completely intentional.
As far as I see it, the tier 8 summer tournament is just Wargaming rewarding their paying customers to encourage free to play players to also become paying customers. What a disappointment.
@sly axle what was the WZ120gfr drop chance?
sly axle
@arctic axle 0.3%. This list is a part of the translated text from the chinese server crate description.
proud holly
U have a better chance getting a Tier X than the wz120FT
silver vapor
Why aren’t premiums banned from all tournaments? Competitions are supposed to be held on level ground
@chilly hemlock if you expect a developer who has been pushing the concepts of gambling and pay to get advantage to suddenly go for "competition on level playing field" then I have some very bad news for you
weak gyro
I see why wg wouldent remove premiums from tournaments and the sole reason of that it they make money off of them, you think some top level clan member will buy a t22 medium for pubs only you thought wrong. Yes it is p2w but yes it keeps the game running
sly axle
Wargaming can keep the game running without introducing broken tanks into the game. The watch ads for gold is a thing, buying gold with $ is a thing, buying premium account and buying balanced premiums is a thing.
If on the off chance that I am wrong, and wargaming does have to introduce broken tanks in casino-style crates, then that is a major problem that will bite them in the long run.
tribal skiff
Or, heck, if they absolutely HAVE to sell completely broken premiums, keep them trapped at tier eight, and make competitive only tier ten. Tier eight season is going to be ugly, I think
pale coral
When isn't it, although I think it's only unfair when broken tanks are released in crates, at least when its sold for gold everyone pays the same price...
mild garden
The 252u was sold for gold, so was the ax
chilly terrace
I get that I am like, the whiniest man to ever man, but to say tier 8 is balanced? really?
Also there is no server side issues on lag? Are all the videos that have already been posted in this channel not enough? Whenever I play blitz, I run a command prompt that continually pings google's servers and displays the response time to get a good idea in case I have lag. Whenever this server side lag happens, my connection to google is always below 20 ms. WG are living under one hell of a rock.
@livid galleon
There were recommendation about any lags:
Please, do the tracing when you in the game and meet lag. The addresses are login0.wotblitz.com and login1.wotblitz.com for NA. Then send the ticket to the support with this tracing.
this is the behavior of the clan znth which is represented by @west cradle @split tiger @arctic axle on this server. There was no provocation from our side up until this point. We did not write anything in the first game and nothing in that game until they started with their provocative behavior. Really a sign of good sportmanship. @tribal skiff name shaming is my intention, i dont care what the mods do. @nova lily i dont want them to get a chat ban i want everyone to see that they are bad players. Not on the skill side but on every other side
@tender swallow
Please, address these screenshots to the support.
@chilly terrace Will the summer season championship have 9 player slots or 10?
@red vapor
There will be 10 slots.
mossy finch
Русские есть?
chilly terrace
Русские есть?
@mossy finch
The russian-speaking discord server is here:
https://discord.gg/JZTpEW
echo wagon
T8 is not p2w: than tell me, wich heavy Tank can i play, that is free to play an better than 252u, defender, ax...an wich TD is better than the wz?
If There is no answer, it is p2w and there is no answer!
@chilly terrace we are still waiting for an awnser...
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace we are still waiting for an awnser...
@echo wagon
I wouldn't compare any vehicles, because each of them has their own features.
echo wagon
Than pls start playing your own game before saying T8 is balanced and no p2w.
Because it seems you have no plan how to play competitive CW
chilly terrace
Than pls start playing your own game before saying T8 is balanced and no p2w.
Because it seems you have no plan how to play competitive CW
@echo wagon
We wouldn't like to see messages like this in this channel. I'm playing game, by the way.
glass thunder
just ban obj252u that tank can beat is4 in 1vs 1 facehug
else the team with more obj252u will have big advantage
versed field
Im just sad that wg didnt do that tourney with tier 10, im not taking part of it now.
Im not even critizing format its just tier ehh.. one month wasting my time with tier 8 vs op tanks i rather practice with tier 10 for twister
peak vortex
@chilly terrace are you a bot ??
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace are you a bot ??
@peak vortex
No, I'm not.
nova lily
Im just sad that wg didnt do that tourney with tier 10, im not taking part of it now.
@versed field same as you...I'm t10 tournament player and I don't want to take part in this p2w tournament
sly hornet
just ban obj252u that tank can beat is4 in 1vs 1 facehug
else the team with more obj252u will have big advantage
@glass thunder imagine banning 252 but not banning sheridan in tourney
graceful jetty
I mean at least sheridan isnt a premium
winter swallow
I understand why WG are running a tier viii tournament.
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Get "younger" / less developed accounts into tournaments.
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Promote buying OP tier viii premiums - which the best players in the game will tell you are broken OP - so don't argue
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Reward people who already bought said OP premiums
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Explore new territory in terms of esports and player engagement
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Try to create a meaningful tournament that won't be won by one of the usual suspects - plot twist - it is going to be won by a toirnament focused clan whether WG want it to be or not. There will just be more chaff to get slapped down beforehand.
fallow raptor
Still the same Prize pool as Spring Prof season why thou this is tier 8
fathom tiger
I had an crazy dream about tier 8 without premiums and collectors
dim pivot
Damn delusional dreams SMH
gleaming pollen
could be fun to see how far you could get with tech tree tanks
fathom tiger
All the yankee op tech tree tanks will fill the field😍
arctic axle
I like the fact that WG are trying to bring something new like major tier 8 tournaments but this is just not it
chilly hemlock
@chilly terrace would Wg ever make a team and play a tournament? I think it’d be quite fun to have you guys stream that
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace would Wg ever make a team and play a tournament? I think it’d be quite fun to have you guys stream that
@chilly hemlock
We did on RU-server in quick tournaments. And keep doing it from time to time.
chilly hemlock
Do you stream them?
chilly terrace
Do you stream them?
@chilly hemlock
Nope.
peak vortex
@chilly terrace are you from Wargaming Team??
tender shell
@peak vortex Yes
chilly hemlock
I think you guys should
chilly terrace
I think you guys should
@chilly hemlock
Skill in making games and skill in the game are two different things, if you are writing about that)
chilly hemlock
No no. I’m just more curious to see what you use, where you go etc
nova lily
there will be nothing to see...Team with more OP tanks will win its easy money and easy to understand lol
chilly terrace
No no. I’m just more curious to see what you use, where you go etc
@chilly hemlock
I can answer at least one of your questions: since we play quick tournaments, we usually play IS-4, E-50M, STB-1 and Obj.140. TD usually is Obj. 268 or T110E3.
P.S. We may stream them some day, but I'm not sure about that.
nova lily
wow
pale finch
Yeah would be nice to see
thorn shale
When will mad games come?
fathom tiger
would get pretty many watchers
thorn shale
Lol someone should wake up wg about how op some tanks are at t8*
winter swallow
I think it is an excellent idea - @chilly terrace you should field a WG team and stream it.
Some Blitz YouTubers and CCs already have a draft team ready to go. They can stream too. That would be hella interesting.
turbid sinew
140>t62 even WG knows
thorn shale
t62a better
versed field
140 is better for cw
glass thunder
t22>>both obj140 and t62a
Well at tier 10 is not that pay 2 win the tier is balanced and even t22 can be replaced and give small advantage
but tier 8 is different story you can't encounter tanks like wz113 td and obj252u
versed field
I prefer 140 over t22 (got all of them) versus top teams t22 trollish armours is uselles and with 140 you got better accuracity to shot while you drive
thorn shale
@glass thunder t22 is strong only if you know how to use it tbh t22 is balanced imo but as you said 252u diff story
eternal niche
Wg tourny team got maximum Russian bias
winter swallow
WG is Belarussian
eternal niche
Well, that’s me being a bit ignorant
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale that’s not true. It’s for sure flat out better than the 140
fathom tiger
it's gun sucks not like 140's
kindred glade
Honestly, the server lag in tourneys is not cool. I've played the last couple of nights on summer season, and my teams encountered at least 2 different games where the lag made the game unplayable.
pale finch
T22 gun is disgustingly bad
thorn shale
@pale finch Ikr but still useful smh😏
pale finch
ok
fast hareBOT
ha4rdboy45gaming#0751 has been warned.
thorn shale
@pallid gorge use #tourneys-team-search channel if you want to join a team
livid galleon
T22 gun is not "disgustingly bad". It beats the 140 in dispersion and is worse by a hair in terms of dpm, as well as some soft stats. There is a shell velocity difference, however it shouldn't matter too much as they're both brawlers.
pale finch
lol ok
thorn shale
This isn’t #vehicles-discussion
frank forum
no realistic torunament ?
thorn shale
aha me and my team won 4 tours
proud holly
gud4u
low sorrel
sooo what do u guys do for fun here?
eternal niche
tournaments
coral tundra
sooo what do u guys do for fun here?
@low sorrel Isn't it obvious?
arctic axle
@low sorrel we bully people whom we don't like
thorn shale
@dull dragon to be honest there’s nothing WG will/can do, and I would say the above is not really relevant for this channel
I guess, I’m just not sure why you’d be fussed over random threats via discord
dull dragon
@thorn shale Its more about getting clarity and assurance. This guy seems dead set on ruining it. You should see our discord PMs!
civic glacier
What in the monky
dull dragon
Deleted messages as managed to resolve issues independently... somehow ahah
pale finch
Somehow, magically.
pale finch
Thank you for, uhm, the.. not cropped picture?
spring tendon
what exactly is that ascent tournament?
chilly terrace
what exactly is that ascent tournament?
@spring tendon
These are the classic tournaments where you can win cups that determine your clan position in the Hall of Fame. The best 16 clans will be able to take a part in the final tournament - "Summer Season Championship".
spring tendon
okay thanks
vital obsidian
will there be a similar ascent in August for X tier?
chilly terrace
will there be a similar ascent in August for X tier?
@vital obsidian
There won't
vital obsidian
so I assume next big one for X is twister quali...? in september?
chilly terrace
so I assume next big one for X is twister quali...? in september?
@vital obsidian
As you know, we usually don't share any news until official announcements)
winter swallow
@chilly terrace how many teams per clan may participate in the summer championship?
Edit* - in game news says 2 - so would I be correct in thinking that if 16 clans get invited then there would be a maximum of 32 teams in the summer championship?
thorn shale
@winter swallow yeah there could be 32 teams in the summer championship. Less if the clans decide not to run 2 teams
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace how many teams per clan may participate in the summer championship?
Edit* - in game news says 2 - so would I be correct in thinking that if 16 clans get invited then there would be a maximum of 32 teams in the summer championship?
@winter swallow
Yeah, up to 32 teams will be able to participate.
thorn shale
@chilly terrace sorry for the ping, but I was wondering how exactly strongest to weakest is organized. I want to see if my team will be towards the middle of the bracket but I don’t understand how exactly the system works? Sorry if this is a question you cannot answer
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace sorry for the ping, but I was wondering how exactly strongest to weakest is organized. I want to see if my team will be towards the middle of the bracket but I don’t understand how exactly the system works? Sorry if this is a question you cannot answer
@thorn shale
There is article about it:
https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/15743/
P.S. But there is one typo in this article. There is written:
"N team members are taken, where N is the minimum number of players required for team registration.
The total number of victories of these players is added together.
The winning percentage values for these players is added together.
The result is divided by N."
But it must be:
"N team members are taken, where N is the minimum number of players required for team registration.
The winning percentage values for these players is added together.
The result is divided by N."
winter swallow
N =7?
glass thunder
for 7v7 yes
hollow bolt
Ew imagine not playing 7 crate tanks smh
livid galleon
tier 8 twister when?
fathom tiger
When they remove tier 9 and 10
tribal skiff
No 252s. Weak
thorn shale
this is how you win tournament matches
@hexed mulch Where are the 252U and Wz.... Broke.
little gulch
Hello
I have a question. The tomorrow's tournament is just for tactile devices, people that play in computer can't play???
dim river
yes, it’s to make it fair
little gulch
Ohh ok
spiral arch
The non existent lag that is the players fault is back. Last battle had all players from both teams complaining about it. Crazy that our devices/ networks all have the same issues at the same time. Spooky.
vagrant phoenix
just a coincidence
cedar parrot
i m supposed to play Ascents today but i can't perform well if i keep getting ping spikes which cause lag.... Please help. @chilly terrace
rapid shard
my clan is playing the ascent tournament tomorrow how long will the tournament take?
Edit: thx
thorn shale
@rapid shard depends how far you get. Max time is 2 hours 30 minutes
chilly terrace
i m supposed to play Ascents today but i can't perform well if i keep getting ping spikes which cause lag.... Please help. @chilly terrace
@cedar parrot @spiral arch
When you meet lags, do tracing and send it to the support. It's the fastest way to receive an answer and fix any issue from our side if it's actually from our side.
cedar parrot
Alright. Thanks
slender harness
Tier8 ascent is funny. Nearly everyone doesn't have all top t8 tanks because they are all premium. Instead teams look like a mess with nobody running the same tanks.
chilly hemlock
@slender harness all the upper end teams will have a ton of op premiums. You’ll see a trend as the tournament progresses
winter swallow
Yes and no. On EU, a lot of top tournament players don’t have many tier viii’s at all, let alone premiums.
So there will be interesting games where OP comp team playing weaker tech tree tanks will face off against an OP line up of premiums being driven by living potato’s. Should be funny to watch.
wet tide
Yes and no. On EU, a lot of top tournament players don’t have many tier viii’s at all, let alone premiums.
So there will be interesting games where OP comp team playing weaker tech tree tanks will face off against an OP line up of premiums being driven by living potato’s. Should be funny to watch.
@winter swallow To be honest, the most guys I see from them pro clans atleast have some of the p2w t8’s even tho they’re focussed on playin tX.
silver vapor
top level "competition"
slender harness
Smh we just met a full premium t10 team and just got clapped
thorn shale
some genius thought of making a tier 8 tournament with money on the line
gentle sierra
😂 😂
daring dune
I am sad to see nowadays tier8 room is becoming so bad. Full of 252u in the tournament which is pointless. If a team skill competition finally fall into just compete the number of the op premium tanks I think it is the end of skill game. I didn't realize a game war gaming paid plenty of time and energy to maintain the core game value which is balance will come up to a phenomenon in today's tier8 room. It made ppl disappointed. Hope you will rethink wotb is a balance skill compete game or a p2w game.
silver vapor
Premium tanks are allowed because we don't see any reason to prohibit them. I got your point about pay2win in tier 8, but as I said before, I disagree with it.
@chilly terrace how is there not any reason to prohibit them. literally having 1 extra premium tank gives you so much extra strategical opportunities. I don't even want to go from a balance stand point because you guys always deny anything we said about it, but as a professional player when it comes to competitions, I strongly believe that any extra tanks that have "their own features" (that you literally said) that isn't accessible due to ones' financial situation does not constitute a proper level playing field for competition, which is literally what tournaments is about after all, finding the best team under a level playing field.
chilly hemlock
@silver vapor sadly we’ve never had any form of a level playing field since the m60 and med pen nerf
The m60 had 330 heat and nothing else did. It was the first iteration of an uneven playing field in tier x
Now you have m60, t95e6, 121b, chieftain, badger, 30b, t-22, and soon to be super conq
daring dune
Therefore can I regard the current wotb as a p2w game, no matter which tier?
chilly hemlock
Some tiers isnt necessarily pay to win, but every tier is pay to have an advantage
You buy flexibility and options essentially
Sometimes those tanks are broken op. Other times they’re just different from the tech tree and are only used situationally
Either way it’s an unfair fight regardless of if the tank in question is any good
@feral thorn #585463961730940929
silver vapor
it's "pay to get advantage" which is already enough of a reason to call tournaments that involve premium tanks not on level playing field anymore.
doesn't even matter if it's super broken or not or super underpowered. we are not here to argue about that. it's about the strategical opportunities that these "unique" vehicles offer. let's say there's this tech tree tank with role X and ability Y. wargaming introduces a premium tank of a similar look, but with Role X+1, and Ability Y-1. now it's impossible to argue that this tank is overpowered or underpowered, but it's definitely a unique point on the graph, so now this offers whichever team that got it, extra strategical opportunities, and allows them to take unique approaches to tournament that otherwise might not be available by the original tech tree tank.
and let's say there's another tech tree tank with role X+2 and ability Y-1, it's another unique tank that looks similar but not really the same as the other tech tree tank. but this tank will still be unique to it's premium counterpart and it's tech tree counterpart since it does stuff just that little differently. so these 3 tanks now fulfill 3 different roles (could be similar or could be very different, doesn't matter here, it's different after all), but a f2p high level competitor could only get their hands onto 2 of those 3 tanks, but a p2p high level competitor can get their hands onto all 3 of the tanks. in a high level competition (what we are literally doing here as a professional team), that slight advantage that offered by p2p competitor's premium tank is enough to overthrow the competition.
it's such a simple fact but none of wargaming seems to be able to acknowledge it. I'm pretty much done trying to talk rationally around because none of the original purposes of this chat is served. whether we speak up or not, there seems to be a set track that wargaming doesn't want to change at all, and the feedback we provide basically goes into the trash.
glass thunder
The 1 battle account with 100% is back to boost teams i hope we will not see same in twister
ionic shoal
Well wg would be considered quite stupid if they proceed to turn twister into a total clown fiesta by making it tier 8. Considering what they basically do is encouraging people to spend more money so they can have bigger advantage than their foes.
thorn shale
money printer goes brrr
inland solstice
brrrrrrrrr
lethal portal
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
arctic axle
Doesn't the money printer break down after so much printing?
chilly hemlock
@glass thunder arent the team win rates a weighted average?
tribal skiff
That’s what I’ve always noticed, but I don’t have any experience with enormous numbers of rating or tournament battles. I’m also far from an expert
thorn shale
Yes the team win rates are weighted depending on how many battles you have. So the one battle account doesn’t really do much. That is why the team winrate is still high but not high high with that one account
last granite
can anyone invite me to a team?
glass thunder
@chilly hemlock nop you can see it in game like that but in website you see real team wr that count only players wr and not count number of battles so 100% wr 1 battel have same weight as 100% wr 100k battels
winter light
👀
livid galleon
Also there are people who will play like 3 games in encounter and then spam ratings since ratings doesn't change stats but increases battle count
pale finch
Well then, as I suspected and told you @chilly terrace, there were just premium spam in every battle including 7 premium tanks in the enemy team in the finals.
thorn shale
But wait, Premiums are perfectly balanced. WG says so.
In the end tournaments, CWs etc. are just a PR vehicle for WG to sell more stuff to the players. Of course banning Premium tanks from tournaments would be the sensible thing to do but why should WG do it? Guess what will happen when WG puts the 252U into shop in a few weeks after everyone sees how dominant they are in CW? Lots of Rubelinis for WG.
@signal agate English only
winter light
Today I saw only prem tanks.. lmao 👀
harsh ember
What did you expect
livid galleon
@harsh ember 7 T28s
harsh ember
Oh yeah you’re right
*everyone saying that this tourney is p2w is dumb, why take a WZ120FT and 252Us when you can just use t28s
glass thunder
@winter light xd bro nothing against you or your account just system should be changed for this cases
winter light
Yes I know, they should do it like in quick tourney‘s @glass thunder xd
civic cairn
Someone from my clan could not enter, are there any restriction to the ascent tournament?
hardy prairie
Maybe cuz it’s touch only?
livid galleon
It's touch only
Since PC players have an unfair advantage
So they made a tourney where that's removed, but players with OP premium tanks get an unfair advantage :b
spare lake
Well we have a fun diverse Clan (LTT00) . We just recently started playing in quick tournaments and it that has been another fun companion building venture! LTT00 in no way wants to be a Elite Tournament Clan ... just looking to have fun competing a little.
So then a group of us wanted to represent our Clan in this ASCENT TOURNAMENT series..... it All went south before even firing the first shot!! None of us thought entry (play start) would be any different than Quick tournaments we were used to and as a result did t know how to Enter Battle - Got Disqualification AND Complaints Lodged Against Us?!
I for one in my 6 years playing BLITZ have Never received a complaint - same with majority of those attempting to have a little fun competition tonight.....
I think whomever at WoT needs to better explain the entry process and all the difference between this type of tournament and the normal Quick tourneys.
It is sad that now I have a group of discouraged tankers ... it took me a long while to get tournament play accepted - now the effort is squashed in literally a few seconds - and we are branded by Complaint!
Regards - Fatshotbud LTT00 Deputy Lead
slender harness
@spare lake you have to accept the room invitation via notifications or invites then press ready inside the room itself. It's like a training room similar to quick tournaments
astral hearth
So for a tourney that is touch only allowing a PC player to load into the match is logic
flat goblet
Tier 8 competitive is actually terrible
idle basalt
One of you WG people should enlighten us on who made this genius idea
low badger
I'd rather play fortnite than do this again
thorn shale
F
idle basalt
i cannot fathom the amount of thought put into this tournament.I would guess when this brilliant idea was proposed, everyone in wg gave the man a praise and a promotion, i would too honestly.
spare lake
@spare lake you have to accept the room invitation via notifications or invites then press ready inside the room itself. It's like a training room similar to quick tournaments
@slender harness
This variation is different enough that none of my team knew what was going on, where to go and what to do ... not at all like quick tournament. When some did figure it out we ended up with only 50% players (5 total) going to second battle as the first had completely passed us by. The “Details” supplied (that I did read) never give any directions.... Also, in quick tournaments, you’re not required to report for battle at the clock tick down....you have time to verify players ready and all go to report READY. IF it was a case of me being stupid, I could accept the situation... but these players on my team all have been with BLITZ a while and none had any idea what was going on? I just say something is not explained that should be. 10 players on team, and None understand?
I would venture to say our tournament days are over because of this confusion.....
silver vapor
@slender harness
This variation is different enough that none of my team knew what was going on, where to go and what to do ... not at all like quick tournament. When some did figure it out we ended up with only 50% players (5 total) going to second battle as the first had completely passed us by. The “Details” supplied (that I did read) never give any directions.... Also, in quick tournaments, you’re not required to report for battle at the clock tick down....you have time to verify players ready and all go to report READY. IF it was a case of me being stupid, I could accept the situation... but these players on my team all have been with BLITZ a while and none had any idea what was going on? I just say something is not explained that should be. 10 players on team, and None understand?
I would venture to say our tournament days are over because of this confusion.....
@spare lake learn the system. If you've been only playing quick tournaments then it's saying something. Proper tournaments (non-QT) have their own schedule that you will need to follow, and games are starting on set time and ends once you lose.
idle basalt
Bruh idk about u but this is the first time i see this as a problem LMAOO
low badger
@spare lake I think it does tell you how the schedule work, and there is a notification that tells you when the room is open. Regarding that aside, you're lucky. this tournament is so unfun and painful, I wish I didn't ready up properly.
idle basalt
Wdym button, i had a blast in this tournament.It gives me pleasure seeing 7 M6 mutants, 252u's and the action X.
spare lake
@spare lake I think it does tell you how the schedule work, and there is a notification that tells you when the room is open. Regarding that aside, you're lucky. this tournament is so unfun and painful, I wish I didn't ready up properly.
@low badger
Not in details supplied , no. But we are quick learners LOL
The notification evidently came while we were all chatting in clan... nobody knew how astringent timing was nor proper way to enter.... this is not in tournament details.
Anyway thanks for the response... it is a vast improvement over the other one above...
low badger
I had a blast doing my homework, lots of math, calc, stats and studying for two finals. That was more fun that the gameplay of world of tanks blitz in the tier 8 tournament.
thorn shale
facts
spare lake
@spare lake learn the system. If you've been only playing quick tournaments then it's saying something. Proper tournaments (non-QT) have their own schedule that you will need to follow, and games are starting on set time and ends once you lose.
Can’t really tell if this is meant as a slam? Kind of has that flavor to it.....
I was just expressing a deficiency in directions for said tournament that put new players on a route to failure.... My team may not be Elite but we will happily play anyone ... it’s a game to us ... I understand now it’s a business for others and we offend by our way of thinking and the possibility we might put up a challenge or heaven forbid beat them once in a while...
Good night - God bless - I’m 65 yrs old and don’t use words like “ Bruh”
dry flint
I swear if twister is a tier 8 tourney I’m quitting the game. This is actually so pay to win it’s a meme.
harsh ember
TLDR: whoever has more 252u’s win
livid galleon
I knew it would be bad but like... Tier 6 tourney meta is better than this wtf
harsh ember
This was a top tier bhink from wargaming
lusty flint
One of the worst tournaments ever. Teams compensate for skill gap with Overpowered premiums.
near anvil
Participated today
Didn’t get to play much b/c I don’t own any busted prems
Only tech tree tank I ever saw being used was fv301
winter swallow
Premium tanks at tier viii make a HUGE difference in tournaments. @chilly terrace you can ask @coarse roost to maybe analyse the data for team compositions like he did for Twister 2019?
coarse roost
Tier VIII Clanwars with allowed premiums makes no sense at all in my opinion.
thorn shale
^
@winter swallow @coarse roost frankly I’ve never seen gameplay like I saw last night. The premium tank spam demolishes the majority of strategic and skill advantages a more experienced team has over a less experienced team
The effectiveness of a team performance is well and truly locked behind a massive paywall. I’ve not really jumped into the debate when tier X collector/premiums are brought up because IMO you don’t need any of them to succeed as a top team. But in tier 8 it’s a total joke.
I would absolutely love a graphic showing which tanks were used the most per server in this tournament. I guarantee it will be eye opening
coarse roost
And every normal thinking player knew it before. Tier VIII is dominated by very powerful premium tanks. Obj252U, OP WZ TD... Progetto... I could make the list go on. Surely there is the possibility to counter with tactical finesse and good players. But on Tier VIII, some teams simply drive 7 Obj... It's just not balanced. And the fact that there is money to win, but you can only win with money, has a bad taste.
winter swallow
From my battles last night, teams were spamming the 252u / Action X in particular...
thorn shale
^
That’s all we saw all last night as well @winter swallow
There’s not a single tech tree heavy tank that can go toe to toe with the 252U
The twisted humor of this tournament though is that no matter how terrible the gameplay is, people will play for that cash prize at the end
And teams that would never have a chance at even making top 8 for tier X tournaments will push the traditionally higher skilled teams all the way to the end simply through the fact they have broken premiums
It’s just sad...
coarse roost
So I think it is a great pity that the Blitz Masters are now probably postponed or cancelled for something like this. But hopefully we learn from it.
(This slow mode is disturbing. What am I a CC for if I have to wait 5min for 2 messages?) 😉
winter swallow
A unicum team will still clap scrubs - but a semi decent comp team with 252u spam vs. a godly comp team with no tier viii premiums? The tanks bought with money can win - the aspect of skill is totally diminished. I will be relaying this as part of my 7.0/ATGM feedback to the office above the Blitz Kitchen. 🤟
Carnaervon can 1v1 252u but you need to drop 20s reactive armour and adrenaline - and fire APCR. But that is 1v1. In a 7v7 ... nope. Not a good idea.
@coarse roost since leaving the CC program I noticed zero difference in engagement levels and perks from WG. 😂
vital obsidian
Whats the fuzz, this is a money tour, you spend money to win money. Next tour will hopefully be something else.
sterile basalt
Meow ~ :D
finnaly i’m in here aswell, the main issue i’m having is that there are no techtree tanks that can fulfill premium tank roles, someone already pointed this out.
Like looking to choose at a hulldown ridgeline tank, if we give 100 players all the tanks available, hardly anyone will pick the techtree one, same goes for the other possible roles such as: sidescraping tank, fast tank, td’s etc...
The only techtree tank i’m seeing use is the tiger 2, as it is overbuffed compared to techtree but not compared to premium counterpart such as exp and m4 49 (that plays rather similar in my opinion)
glass thunder
why use tech tree tank when most of tanks have prem version but better
wooden pasture
pale finch
Understandable, have a nice day
primal torrent
Gotcha
fast hareBOT
Tank Boy 123#2156 was muted
fast hareBOT
alexbv#9983 has been warned.
thorn shale
Of Course WG could also just nerf Premium tanks to be on the same level as techtree tanks, so noone would care About Premium tanks in Tier 8 tournaments. Ha ha ha, see the joke I did?
clear crescent
how do i claim my tour 1 reward for monday's tournament
i still have not received it
pls dm me if you can answer my question
proud holly
WG's not going to reduce the quality of a product that people spent legitimate money on
livid galleon
WG is perfectly aware that tier 8 is imbalanced. Otherwise, they wouldn't charge asinine amounts for tanks like the WZ fake tank in comparison to other vehicles at the same tier.
weak gyro
When you spend $500 for op tier 8 premiums just to win $50 back in tournaments
Stonks
charred plaza
They should add live spectating for tournament matches
thorn shale
Please put the tournaments at earlier times for all our sakes.
proud holly
Explain further?
chilly hemlock
@proud holly people buy premiums for pubs. If they are truly broken, they get used in tournaments afterwards
You don’t buy an m60 for tournaments
proud holly
@chilly hemlock You tagged the right guy?
The previous statements that i have made were in response to #moreschnitzelforblitz (WG likley won't nerf the premiums) and to Dogfergus
chilly hemlock
Yes
The quality of the product is for pubs. Not tournaments
If qualify of tournaments was important, premiums and collectors wouldn’t be allowed
thorn shale
The tournaments should be at more reasonable times. Because a lot of players can't make it to the tournaments that late. It also depends on the timezones of the players the NA Server has people from Canada, and Mexico, and the timezones are different depending on the region.
alpine adder
Completely agree with the people complaining about the 252Us, add the Progetto 46 and T25E5 sherif to that list. Not even other “normal” premiums can come close to beating them.
It always feels like a tier 8v9 game when the enemy is just using 6 252Us. Absolutely unbelievable that they limited this season to tier 8.
thorn shale
Everybody yelling about 252U and wz112-2 being forgotten in a corner
lean canyon
bro WG come play tour with us
we can use our 7 IS3 vs their 7 OBJ 252U
would you consider it a fair match?
stuck jay
I don't think they will care to play some tournament,
while tournament tier 8 still can make money
wet tide
@velvet dome did your mate play the battles? And was it even an ascent tour (sry dont know asia times)
velvet dome
yes he played ascent with us a few battles and yes it was ascent. Why i say few battles? coz we played 8 battles and he joined around half of it.
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale thats already been addressed on na
They’ve tried 8 and 10 pm est. 10 pm est meant finals were past midnight which was a joke and everyone on the east coast hated it
8 pm est is 5 pm pst which is too early for people that work, have after school sports or eat dinner at a normal time
velvet dome
Ok the cups were just credited to his account
proud holly
English server
thorn shale
WHY is Blitz only allowing Touch Screen now for ASCENT Tier 8 Tournaments ?
proud holly
why not
broken sedge
Here we go again
thorn shale
I just want to know why because it makes no sense to me it limits the amount of players that can join. It's bad enough that it's single elimination that alone makes players not want to play because it's a big waste of time trying to get in if you're team get booted out after one attempt, lol. Trying to scrounge up enough players in one clan and then have it limited to touch screen only pretty much is a no-go for the majority of Clans
What is the website address to contact tournaments, I would like to give them a polite piece of my mind and tell him where to go and how to get there, politely.
.... and can we only have Tournament players from within our own clan for the Ascent ??? It doesn't say that word for word. Registration type says 1 word only - ( Clan ) . That is not self-explanatory and we are not mind readers, if War Gaming had a little common sense in courtesy to explain things and short detail they wouldn't be bombarded with billions of questions.
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harsh ember
Cool story bro thanks so much for your opinion we value it a lot
fallow raptor
Another opinion made by a PC player epic
pastel tartan
@thorn shale the reason its touch is because part of the prize to win is real money, which makes it to be seen as any tour of blitz that involded/involves money that is run by wg themselfs, best example being twister. and as this still is mainly a mobile game its only reasonable to make the money tournaments limited to that controll mode only.
secondly, having clan locked tournaments is nothing new. you rarely ever have tours that are open. the only ones that usually ever are being quick tournament,and as this is not a quick tournament its only possible to sign up as a team of ppl within the same clan.
also, if your team loses in the first round, do you really think that is wgs fault for their way of creating a tournament, or is it rather the lack of skill that those teams have.everyone taking part is at risk for losing in round 1, every team is aware of that going into it.but the well trained teams, those that put the most effort and time into improving will of course proceed further. and putting the argument "but we also train" wont work, some of these teams train every 2 days or even every day to keep their skill levels as high as they are, test new strategies, come up with totally new strategies and especially, find ways to make them work. with that most of the top clans also rarely ever play t8 now,as they play t10 mainly, making them train even more as they have to adjust. so if you have ANY issue or find a flaw in anything i just stated, then proof me wrong,else you have no reason of complaining in the amount you just did
note: i also play pc mainly,so does my clan, but rather than complain,we train
pale finch
- These are not quick tournaments. 2. PC player kekw.
proud holly
what a brilliant inquery
eternal niche
yes he is a sentient ai
glass thunder
@fast shadow https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722186058791387231/727464033548107847/unknown.png
arctic axle
Maybe he is and has developed sentience and is trying to cover it up
opaque kite
WHY is Blitz only allowing Touch Screen now for ASCENT Tier 8 Tournaments ?
@thorn shale no point asking that here, too many stubborn people, it will never happen. A discussion about Pc tournaments here is pointless, as seen by some of the responses.
fathom tiger
Happens to be the wg’s policy
thorn shale
@opaque kite my question was answered in great length and detail and it was greatly appreciated as I had no idea, the reply was more info than I expected and I don't deny some of us get cranky and frustrated and and occasionally become stubborn I am definitely not perfect by any means LOL. I also become frustrated when having to repeat myself over and over.
livid galleon
Tbh I'd rather have mixed tournaments than p2w tournaments at tier 8
harsh ember
I love tier 8 tournaments
red vapor
^ honestly, i mean why not t10, the goal of the game is to get to tier 10. After I grind out a tier 8, I sell it
thorn shale
Because they want twister to be”special” @harsh ember monkey gg wp
harsh ember
Lol I don’t think grinding has anything to do with the matches, in each of the games we played tonight there were 12-14 premiums and it came down to who was better at not getting monkeyed by 252u armor gg
livid galleon
Squadron of Indien Panzers coming soon to a twister cup near you 👀
proud holly
Clearly you’ve never seen a Ferdinand battalion
thorn shale
To clarify what’s the problem with PC tournaments, remember that Blitz is a mobile game, it was never supposed to be on Pc, might as well just download the Pc wot if tournaments were there, blitz was meant to provide mobile gamers with a world of tanks MOBILE version,if you want to make it Pc based what’s the point of creating blitz anyway
thorn shale
To clarify what’s the problem with PC tournaments, remember that Blitz is a mobile game, it was never supposed to be on Pc, might as well just download the Pc wot if tournaments were there, blitz was meant to provide mobile gamers with a world of tanks MOBILE version,if you want to make it Pc based what’s the point of creating blitz anyway
@thorn shale IMO Blitz wasnt specifically meant for mobile but rather as a smaller version of WoT which would appeal to the more casual gamer (partially hence why on mobile), and in order for it to gain traction it had to be placed and marketed on mobile since it would not survive if it initially competed with WOT PC.
Anyways, COD was initially a console game but eventually plenty of tournaments moved to PC. Ive learnt this chat is too stubborn to find another talking point but if the main argument is that 'blitz is a mobile game' theres not much substance to it imo even tho I agree that the competitive core should be limited to mobile.
atomic tartan
Wdym theres not much substance to it? Its literally the whole point of Blitz. A mobile version of World of Tanks. The people in this chat aren’t the ones being stubborn, if anything, you are for bringing up the same topic over and over again. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, unless you’re doing it based on the chance that if you whine and cry enough times WG will cave in which really helps your case.
Considering WG didnt move an inch at the time everyone here collectively called for Rolling’s return and the removal of ATGMs, I wish you luck in your battle against reality
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale IMO Blitz wasnt specifically meant for mobile but rather as a smaller version of WoT which would appeal to the more casual gamer (partially hence why on mobile), and in order for it to gain traction it had to be placed and marketed on mobile since it would not survive if it initially competed with WOT PC.
Anyways, COD was initially a console game but eventually plenty of tournaments moved to PC. Ive learnt this chat is too stubborn to find another talking point but if the main argument is that 'blitz is a mobile game' theres not much substance to it imo even tho I agree that the competitive core should be limited to mobile.
@thorn shale
urban cobalt
🤣
hardy prairie
Funny how it doesnt mention PC there
zinc saddle
Nice
thorn shale
🤣
proud holly
Laptops and Tablet Computers are good then
stone sun
Just use a touch screen laptop xD
pallid raven
@hardy prairie the only rating is from Steam... Therefore there is a mention of pc
hardy prairie
I meant in the description as where is highlighted
pallid raven
Funny how in the ratings section it doesn't mention a mobile app, (guess I should only look at the thing which fits my narrative)
hardy prairie
I mean my argument against Blitz "not specifically meant for mobile" is there's already been a WoT for PC... the original game... the game was also literally mobile only for a long while, some 3 years if I remember without checking.
low badger
How do people complain about tournaments not being on pc anymore? You had six years to get one smartphone.
And it's not hard to learn mobile mechanics, I learned PC in two weeks after being a bot.
livid galleon
People had 6 years to get an OP premium tank 🤔
WG can't honestly say they care for a level playing field if they make "serious" tournaments tier 8
graceful jetty
Power creep exists
silver vapor
People had 6 years to get an OP premium tank 🤔
WG can't honestly say they care for a level playing field if they make "serious" tournaments tier 8
@livid galleon maybe because they never said they cared about level playing field. We are the only ones speaking up about it
south fern
Why are you all complaining about the playing field? You’re going into a tournament, expect good players playing good tanks. You should know what you’re signing up for. You go into a Tier 8 tournament and see one of the UNION clans? Good for you they’re a good clan family who play well with strong tanks. They randomly select teams you face so you guys don’t complain
silver vapor
Why are you all complaining about the playing field? You’re going into a tournament, expect good players playing good tanks. You should know what you’re signing up for. You go into a Tier 8 tournament and see one of the UNION clans? Good for you they’re a good clan family who play well with strong tanks. They randomly select teams you face so you guys don’t complain
@south fern u clearly don't know what is proper competition then. Proper competition shouldn't be about who's got the bigger wallet. it should be who's the better team. none of what you just said made any sense whatsoever under the definition of proper competition.
near anvil
Also, they don’t randomly select who you face, at least in ascents
It seeds teams based on wr
Edit because slowmode: nobody cares about quick tourneys being fair or not (because nothing is on the line in them), people have a problem with the fact that we have to play an unbalanced tier where all the good tanks are premiums for the major tournament of the summer
south fern
I’m just going off random tournaments. They’re randomly selected at least for the first tour and set to brackets that you move up, I believe
silver vapor
I’m just going off random tournaments. They’re randomly selected at least for the first tour and set to brackets that you move up, I believe
@south fern doesn't matter. whether in qt or ascents you shouldn't be penalized for not having the wallet to buy better tanks. you should only be allowed to to play tanks that everyone has access to. this is what level playing field means.
near anvil
Totally agree with the sentiment @silver vapor , but the cat is already out of the bag on allowing premiums to be played in comp. why would they change now?
low badger
@south fern massive respect to union clan o7 with their actual god skills
winter swallow
On the brightside, at least on EU the top teams are still dominating the leaderboard - which tbh feels good. At least P2W doesn't trump skill yet.
wet tide
On the brightside, at least on EU the top teams are still dominating the leaderboard - which tbh feels good. At least P2W doesn't trump skill yet.
@winter swallow except for the part that my noobass team is on there now xDDDDD
winter swallow
@wet tide tbh, -TTT- isn't terrible on paper 😉
glass thunder
the pay2 win tanks will make differences when 2 teams in same level play not a top team vs avg or new team
after all there some good tech tree tanks like t32 that can't beat obj252u but they have chances to put a fight and do around 1500 damage in 1vs1
winter swallow
@glass thunder yep - tournament gameplay is a lot about getting the meta right and optimising your team's forces at the numbers level in terms of DPM, armour, speed etc. - when two equally matched teams in terms of skill meet, it is the preparation aspect that sets them apart. If one team can rock up with 5x 252u... well, that could be enough to swing the game before the first shot is even fired.
That being said, the 252u is trash if you can get easy shots on the lower glacis. On Yamato Harbour, the enemy team had pushed their 252s deep into the city and we went over B. On the engagement we were below them and I had zero troubles penning them. Facing 252us without 252us may take some radical strat redesign to compensate accordingly.
glass thunder
yes true , still idk why they give obj252u that armor i did try play 1vs1 against it (vs really good player ) and i even lost once with is4 cause if tank facehug you you just can't pen it with any gun even hori gun with best pen in the game
and if you play a tier 8 heavy you have more chances to beat is8 in 1vs1 than beat the obj252u
chilly terrace
So for a tourney that is touch only allowing a PC player to load into the match is logic
@astral hearth This is icon might be shown when player logged in from PC and then logged in from smartphone/tablet. Anyway, even if player enters the battle from PC, he will have touch controls and it will be impossible to play normally in this case.
winter swallow
@chilly terrace that is good news to hear that the game client forces touch controls and blocks mouse&keyboard inputs during such tournaments. A relief for those seeing the mouse icon next to opponent players in game 🙂
pastel tartan
yea, i saw that happening when i commentated day 1 of the ascents, 1 guy had pc symbol next to him,and couldnt move,only his turret, and his team said "he disconnected" even tho it was clear they fell for the trap
winter swallow
hehehe
Want to play a WG tank title using PC controls in a major tournament? Go play WoT.
graceful jetty
You can technically play but it would be like playing with 1 finger
fathom tiger
Emulator masterrace
chilly hemlock
@south fern let me explain this differently for you. Imagine you have to take a written test for a job and there’s one other person competing with you for that position. Best score on the test gets the job. The other person pays $50 to get 5 bonus points added to their score and you don’t. Is this fair?
This is what we are talking about with a paywall for performance
still niche
I want to suggest a thing to developers. My evening was hurt because 2 people didn't show for the tournament tier 6 tour. You should give us a way to dismantle and enjoy our evening. This was the second time, now I had to close the game on the team because i don't want any more of 5v7. And in 1 hour I get to leave the clan for them letting it happen, and the people who didn't show aren't able to be reported as missed battle.
pallid raven
Wasn't the obj252u sold for Gold recently? Not really behind a pay wall...
Edit: Well you can get 50 gold a day, from watching ads, plus with all the events and free containers it all add up.
What wargamings should have done, is sold it in the stores now... 🤔 Stonks
left portal
Because everyone has a ton of gold laying around right?
urban cobalt
Big brain time
left portal
No lol that’s frankly a ridiculous standard to hold people to. The 252u came out for 10k. That would take a player several months of watching ads to collect just for one single tank just so they could be able to compete in a tournament competitively. That’s still pay to win
graceful jetty
Ah yes 50 gold a day. That's how everyone bought their obj252Us
thorn shale
🤣
pallid raven
left portal
Is that supposed to debunk my argument? Because I said 10k instead of 8.5k?
chilly hemlock
So if you spend 200 days watching 5 videos a day...
pallid raven
I don't think you understand what p2w is... By your logic getting a Tier X tech tree tank is pay to win, because you have to log in every day and grind a tank over several months... I'm just saying it is possible to get the obj252u for free, unlike a T-22 where you either have to buy crates with gold with a 2.5% chance (not worth it) or whip out a credit card.
If you're not watching ads that seems to be a you problem.
graceful jetty
Ok but no joke my buddy 7_Olaf hasn't spent a cent on the game but he watches ads everyday and just bought the 5a with that gold. So hes not wrong
Easily less than 0.5% of players bought 252U with ad gold tho. My friends put it into his routine, everyday without fail he watches ads. Truly an inspiration
chilly hemlock
Possible and probable are two entirely different things @pallid raven
fathom tiger
T22 aint paytowin cuz you could watch ads for 50 gold per day and buy the 10k or whatever pack of t22crates
thorn shale
same percentage as t22 crates
zenith sonnet
i need a squad, can i join in someone?
pallid raven
What percentage of people do you think bought the tank with gold from ads?
@chilly hemlock and where is your proof to back that up?
Ik a lot of people who brought it for gold they have saved up.
fathom tiger
Pc players have to buy it directly cuz pc has no gold ads?
chilly hemlock
@pallid raven where is your proof that it’s more than 2%?
My point still stands that the overwhelming majority of people do not get their gold from ads
So, with that logic, most people aren’t getting 252s from ads
I don’t ignore the fact that some people do save up gold
However there’s no way it’s over 10%
Especially not when 10k is the single lowest price the 252u has ever been sold at
And there were a ton of them around before that
The original was $50 and then 15k if my memory is correct
pallid raven
@pallid raven where is your proof that it’s more than 2%?
@chilly hemlock well it's definitely not 2%. You do realise the majority of people who play blitz are kids who don't have money to spend. So they will get any free gold they can spare.
🤦♂️ you do realise most parents don't encourage kids to play video games, and most won't whip out their credit cards for a "violent game".
chilly hemlock
That’s a ridiculous statement
civic glacier
That’s not true at all
chilly hemlock
How many of those “kids with no money to spend” have parents with credit cards?
So sure, maybe they don’t pay, but someone certainly does lol
No parent would refer to a tank shooter game as violent
There’s no blood or gore
Gta is violent
Cod is violent
FORTNITE is more violent
And that’s cartoon graphics
Maybe the Eu culture is different from na
pallid raven
Eu culture is way different
But I have first hand experience that a young person playing blitz will do what every they can to get free stuff.
Why do you think Giveaway YouTube channels like pantouflee are so successful
"Moderate violence" I guess I should have been more specific
graceful jetty
If WG told us 170 days beforehand that they were going to add 252U to the shop, I wouldnt mind logging in everyday and spending a total of just under 30 hours over 170 days purely watching ads to get 15mins of satisfaction roflstomping some poor dudes who may be more skilled than me but who didnt have enough willpower to sit through countless state of survival and raid shadow legend ads and thus didnt EARN to win their place in top 8
pallid raven
No point arguing with that brilliant logic that every has zero gold in their garage.
chilly hemlock
There’s plenty of logic to think that the majority of people don’t get gold from ads
Certainly not enough for 10k tanks
Or several t-22 crates. Maybe one or two. That’s it
zenith sonnet
huys... this is tournament channel right?
chilly hemlock
We are arguing about the paywall with premiums in relevance to tournaments
Or the lack there of to some
pallid raven
I did a poll 2 days ago and 1/3 of the people dont/ haven't spent money on Blitz. And I would assume that, that 1/3 of the players watch ads/ do what ever they can to get gold. (Grain of salt)
But like I said earlier, there are other ways of getting free gold from event, free contaniners as well as selling collector tanks.
Ofc nobody knew there would be a tier 8 tournament with real rewards, but unlike the t-22 the obj 252u has been openly available with no catch (containers).
tribal skiff
For the record, didn’t _Tommie from PNCR get the T22 completely free to play through years of watching ads?
chilly hemlock
There are always exceptions to the rule. I know someone who spent $600 on a t-22
Anyways. Still over half buy gold to get tanks
pallid raven
But it's definitely not 2%
near anvil
Oh, whoops, guess I was supposed to know there was an upcoming tier 8 tournament and save all my gold from the last 170 days of ads instead of Golding crews/buying free xp/doing other things
pallid raven
Yep, big whoops.
Guess I struck a nerve
chilly hemlock
No no. I’m enjoying this
pallid raven
Will be interesting
Yeah I saw.
chilly hemlock
I may not be the most open minded but I like seeing numbers on this kind of stuff
Did you see I asked on my server too?
@pallid raven
left portal
You know I think I’m going to start watching ads for gold 😄...but still I think expecting people to save for months on end for one single premium tank because the tank is that much better than anything in the tech tree is pay to win because most still pay money for it. Also it’s not just the 252 that’s op and played the most so if you want to have any variety to be able to contribute you’d have to save multiple times
atomic tartan
Hold on a sec @glass thunder did you actually lose to a 252U in a 1v1 while playing IS-4?
glass thunder
@atomic tartan yes cause if 252u facehug you , you can't push it back and you just can't pen it
i used to do lot of 1vs1 and i do really well on it and still you can do nothing vs 252u because there is not place to pen it
when a smart 252u can pen you with ap ( a place many know about it where you can pen is4 with just ap in facehug)
glass thunder
is4 have low profile and 252u need just to block damage with the gun
it major in 1vs1 game that you keep looking with your gun to where you enemy aim so you can block the shots with your gun
chilly hemlock
They’re essentially the same height
glass thunder
ik i go for it still hard when you play vs good player that keep looking up and block your shots im not saying object 252u beat is4 in all games but it have chances to beat is4 when i don't think tier 9 heavy's do have it
atomic tartan
@glass thunder you couldnt look down and HEAT upper plate?
fathom tiger
That poll is kind of useless defining the amount of f2p players yes it says most of the player use money but thats about it
glass thunder
@atomic tartan we did test the facehug else you can pen it down and when you facehug you can't look down with is4 also hard to pen it in top
you can kill it for sure but let say you go to that position you can't do anything specially with the + 400 mm armor
atomic tartan
If you dont mind, can I see a recording of this?
livid galleon
Someone I know spent $700 on the vk 90 alone
$500ish on snow globes and then got it through charms when it was sold through crates
slender flare
Even 268 cant pen the upper plate, but in facehug 252u has the same weakspot as is4
livid galleon
Maybe you could shoot the turret ring?
livid galleon
Next tourney someone needs to run 7 T69s
vagrant phoenix
Ah yes let's hold the standard that everyone who wants a living chance at competing in a tier 8 tournament has to either buy the OP tanks or watch 170 days of gold ads instead of investing that gold into researching tier 10s or getting 100% crew. Wonderful.
pallid raven
Lol, which f2p player spends gold researching tier 10s
left portal
Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if a lot did because it’s cheaper and more accessible than watching ads for 170 days
wet tide
Tbh there shouldn’t be any prems/collectors in tours. One team should not be able to have an advantage over the other one because of the fact they paid money for their prems. Im not only talkin bout t8, t10 the same. Get the T22, badger and other prems/collectors outta here man, give everyone a fair shot at winning the battle (not already having an advantage because some guys got the money to spend). Tournaments should be about tactics and see what team plays together best, not about what team can use 252u’s over is3’s
left portal
vagrant phoenix
Oh didn't think I needed to specify researching tier 10s as in exchanging gold to free experience to not play with stock modules. Forgot this was the special server I was in.
thorn shale
While I don’t mind not being able to use premiums in tours, at the same time for the sake of discussion, many people have paid a lot of money for these premiums and collectors, so it would be pretty disappointing if you paid all that and didn’t get to use them. I’m not talking about the combat capability of the tanks, I’m more on the price tag of the tank. Paying real money for anything in a game should logically hand you an advantage. Of course balancing is about making sure the advantage isn’t too great, but paying just to use these in pubs might not exactly be worth your money then. Pubs honestly don’t matter, but in tours, every battle counts, so that advantage might be the deciding factor. Then again, that’s p2w.
What I’m trying to do is offer the situation in a different point of view, and I’m trying to show that despite all these arguments and complaints there isn’t really a solution for it. So unless somebody can proffer a solution that both cashers and f2p players can compromise on, don’t think we should be complaining as much
livid galleon
Pubs is where the majority of the game is played, so the statement "Pubs honestly doesn't matter" is very disingenuous. If you think that "paying just to use these in pubs might not exactly be worth your money", then the best solution would be to not buy in the first place. You're not being forced to pay money, if you don't think something is worth it then you're not obligated to buy. If premiums were prohibited in tourneys, premiums would still be useable in pubs and ratings. I don't think that the integrity of a "fair" competition should be invalidated to support those who spend excessive amounts for op premium tanks.
near anvil
Ok here’s an easy solution @thorn shale : make the major tournaments tier 10, like they have been before
thorn shale
Its the way it is, 7 Tiger II can beat 7 252 U, at the end of the day no matter what tank you play its about decisions and skill. WG is a bussiness, and taking premiums out of tournaments regardless of tier will hurt their pockets, so that won't change, but doesnt change the fact you can just get a broken tech tree tank like Tiger II or Is4 and still easily win.
proud holly
Tier X is a lot more balanced compared to Tier VIII. The difference is that the broken tanks in Tier 8 are almost always Premiums.
left portal
Wdym it will hurt their pockets that’s a ridiculous statement. Frankly even most of the comp players aren’t buying premiums to be able to play in comp they’re buying them because they’re fun to play. So to say banning them from high level competition would somehow hurt WG is silly. Also unless there’s a major skill cap I highly doubt 7 tigers beat 7 252s most of the time.
vagrant phoenix
I would be betting 100% on the 7 252u team everyday of the week. It's pay to get an advantage and paying to get more options and variety that's ideally unacceptable in tournaments. It's less of a problem at tier 10 because there aren't that many premiums and those premiums are generally inferior to their tech tree counterparts besides for maybe the T-22.
pallid raven
@vagrant phoenix 1. No need to be so condescending or to call me "special".
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You missed my point. Most f2p players don't waste gold converting it to free exp, as it is way too valuable to them and the exchange rate is pretty poor (they might convert a small amount every now and then). Free exp is also pretty easy to gain, from just playing battles, and even just grinding a stock tank with 2*, it is pretty easy to do, to unlock the modules (as not every cares about stats). Also New players won't have much elite exp to convert it to free exp, and old players will have enough tier X tanks to easily grind free exp, especially with the 5* exp event. Maybe it's different to the Na server, but on the EU, it isn't common to waste gold.
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Just a little tip for you, if you watch 3 ads every day, you complete a mission for 1.5k free exp. Every little helps.
I understand some people do convert gold to free exp, and I see why, but it's not necessary.
vagrant phoenix
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Didn't call you special. I said this server is special meaning everything you say here is taken very literally.
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Idk about you but I would rather not grind something like the STI stock and get beat up by tier 8 light tanks. I play the game to have fun and grinding stock tanks are not fun. You can gain a some free exp but it really isn't enough when you're trying to grind multiple tier 10s. Gold only has 3 purposes for me: 100% crew for tier 10s, free experience, and occasional camos that look good. I have 40m credits and I don't have a single tier 8 premium in my garage. If I were to get a premium, it would only be for giving me a chance at competing in tier 8 tournaments.
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I already do that and that free exp and gold goes back into speeding up my tier 10 researching.
near anvil
I’m 100% ftp, and I’m in the same boat as commie here
I spend my gold on fxp and crews and have Löwe (pulled from weekly crate) and black dog (bought in Christmas event with twister gold) to grind credits.
Why would I bother spending gold on a tier 8 premium I would never play (except to compete in tier 8 tournaments)? I’ve already sold all my premiums I’ve gotten in events because I never played them anyway.
pallid raven
Guess we found the group of f2p players who convert gold to free exp, it's tournament f2p players, but the average majority of player won't convert gold to free exp, as they are more interested in premium tanks.
I guess I am just one of a kind, tournament player who doesn't spend gold to get free exp. But I still never played most of the challenging lines stock.
proud holly
Also some of the premiums that I got from the old crates were just hot garbage
livid galleon
For me 100% crew for tier 10s is my main gold use
I'd love it if WG gave PC the ability to watch those sweet, sweet raid shadow legends ads
proud holly
^^^
south fern
I genuinely don’t understand why it hasn’t been implemented yet.
winter swallow
It's more that the premium vehicles at Tier VIII are the optimised meta. If you had access to them, you'd use them. That they are locked behind paywalls increases the P2W element of the game which undermines competitive integrity of any tournament (i.e. - it is not a level playing field where skill is the only balancing factor, because money can buy assets which counteract skill to a certain extent).
I understand that WG is a business better than most - but the result in the context of Tier VIII tournaments is a P2W influence, and this is simply not how esports are done.
FYI there is no point trying to get a WG employee to admit the Tier VIII premiums are P2W - admitting that devalues the overall game and its integrity and is probably a sackable offence.
pale finch
Just like pointing out that their servers has issues lol, they’ll never admit it because they’re not supposed to do so and that’s how it is, even the biggest fool knows what server lag is and what server lag isn’t.
thorn shale
^
alpine adder
For the third time in a row we have to fight the same exact team in tier 8 ascent. 101AD.
I thought the seeding was supposed to be random? What is this supposed to be?
The issue is that they’ve never used any other line up apart from 5 252Us and 2 progetto 46s and it is so D**m toxic to fight them with normal tanks, it’s impossible.
Great work wargaming, absolutely amazing. We’re not playing today.
winter swallow
@alpine adder the seeding is not random. It is strongest versus weakest. The MM uses a formula. If the same teams enter in two weeks with same/similar win rate averages, it is highly likely you will meet the same opponent.
alpine adder
@winter swallow yes but the clans in the groups are random. There’s 2 groups and the group is of 32, for all 3 ascents we’ve fought them exactly in the third battle.
Ultimately My issue is not with the matchmaker, my issue is with the fact that we can’t get past these guys due to the lineup they use. The fact that they can use the exact same lineup for every map without doing much speaks volumes about how overpowered those things are.
@winter swallow so the grouping of teams also doesn’t change if their war doesn’t change? As in group one and group two?
winter swallow
The matchmaker seeds teams into groups according to the formula. If the teams and their win rates don't change, the formula produces the same result...
bright tundra
The clans put in each group are not random. They’re picked and placed based on their absolute and relative winrate. The bad ones seem random to you, but they all share a very important quality - they’re bad. The good ones are much rarer and thus are not interchangeable. As long as the contestants (=teams) are ~ same (in number and in quality) you’re very likely to meet the same caliber of opponent at every stage and when the tournament scene is small - you could meet the exact same opponent every time in the latter stages.
alpine adder
I understand that much, I didn’t know it affected the grouping of teams in the first place too, but I suppose when there’s just two groups it makes sense,
Again, ultimately my issue goes back to the premium tanks and not the matchmaker, thank you both for your time.
bright tundra
Your “alternative” 1/4 final opponent - the team you would meet if there was suddenly the tiniest of wrinkles in the system that would move you out of 101AD’s path would be these guys. You will not be surprised to discover that they also have a healthy amount of Prog46s to supplement the sea of 252Us. You, like everyone else who gets to the latter stages, will not be able to dodge this inevitable fate. These are the best tier 8 tanks and everyone knows it.
weak gyro
Lets get an F for twister
alpine adder
We’ve always only played tier X so this meta really makes us feel like we’re powerless in tier 8. I guess you’re right in that regard, no matter who we face we will run into those tanks eventually and hence I can’t blame a team or the matchmaker, only the fact that those tanks exist and are so good.
fallow raptor
Just actually skip this joke of a tournament
bright tundra
If there’s orderly streaming of the $ tournament at the end of the month, I will take a few minutes of my time and will check the % of non premium tanks used in the tournament’s latter stages. Depending on the tanks put on sale in the next 3 weeks, it is possible that 0 tech tree tanks will be used past the 1/8 final stage.
alpine adder
F.
I guess we’re just going to meme this tournament. 7 ISUs maybe.
Thanks again for taking the time to explain. Much appreciated.
we’ve tried it too, many different lineups from usual premiums and tech tree. And if you didn’t have any luck we probably won’t either.
silver vapor
we're trying to combat 252u with other premiums. in the end there's no effective counter to it, unless you go p2w as well.
bright tundra
There are other premiums that are very powerful - Action X and WZ-112-2 come to mind - but you will have to invest a lot of thought into how you use their specific strengths to counter the enormous universal advantages the 252U has. It’s a zero brain p2w tank while others p2w tanks require thought. Tech tree tanks are hopeless and inferior.
winter swallow
@bright tundra there is fairly good streaming on EU being done by 3very and a few others. Plus I am streaming POV from R-4-K - but yes for the latter stages of the summer championship (two teams per top 16 clans) there should be solid coverage on EU at least. IDK if @flat goblet is covering NA for this shambolic P2Wfest?
vital obsidian
RIP Twister 2020 😢
silver vapor
Autumn season 🤔
rip $0 advertisement for Twister
vital obsidian
Maybe the savings in flights and costs can be transferred to a decent $ pool 🤗
pastel tartan
@bright tundra there is fairly good streaming on EU being done by 3very and a few others. Plus I am streaming POV from R-4-K - but yes for the latter stages of the summer championship (two teams per top 16 clans) there should be solid coverage on EU at least. IDK if @flat goblet is covering NA for this shambolic P2Wfest?
@winter swallow for all i know fishy will not be streaming, but i am covering all ascents for ASIA(except the 1st) and EU and the final stages for ASIA,EU and NA
winter swallow
Awesome. Gj
pastel tartan
just wanna train my commentary :)
winter swallow
Rolling (qualified biologist and data scientist with specific modules in virology at undergraduate), some time in early April: Twister offlines won’t be happening in 2020.
WG - almost 4 months later - : Twister 2020 offlines won’t be happening
@thorn shale you are lucky I allowed you to rescind the bet otherwise your Chelsea beanie would be mine 😈
glass thunder
@chilly terrace is twister canceled or postponed ?
pastel tartan
as it seems cancled for this year,is my guess atleast
vital obsidian
pretty clear no 2020.... but we guaranteed unforgettable emotions so all good 🙃
silver vapor
more emotions of us looking at broken game mechanics
winter swallow
@glass thunder from the Announcement, it reads that Twister is off and regional “zap” tournaments are in. Tbh I think this a wise and sensible decision by WG.
I’ll be interested to learn more about the zap format whenever the information is available.
Actually, WG giving us info on Twister early July is a HUGE improvement on information relay times. Lol
vital obsidian
What is zap tournament? And agree corona is a serious issue
glass thunder
nice thx rolling , but as you said before it was clear we will have no offline ,corona cases are not slowing down and all games major tournaments moved online
i hope we get some good format and great show
shrewd iron
Will there be a offline lets say next year
Is the change to regional tournies permanent?
winter swallow
They gave autumn tournament season the ⚡️ icon. So I’m calling them the zap tournaments.
Offline esports events next year will depend on community transmission rates, travel corridors, development of cheap+reliable+fast antibody assays and/or a vaccine (which can be rolled out quickly and cheaply...)
pastel tartan
its fun sitting on stream for about 1h and not getting a single invite to any room for a tournament u wrote yourself in ._.
winter swallow
Basically, forget safe offline international events before summer 2021 barring some rather impressive medical science innovations and associated logistical facilitation in the mean time...
Also actually a powerful therapeutic that significantly cuts mortality and hospitalisation rates might also passed up travel etc. Returning to normal.
thorn shale
@pastel tartan dang thats a fat rip but I am not surprised since you know they be slacking like always ...
pastel tartan
@chilly terrace perhaps,can you tell me why i did not receive an invite for the tournaments on ASIA in Ascent #3?
crisp shore
I will also consider whether to stream Ascent Summer Tournaments for both Asia and EU on my channel as well, to gain more experience in streaming and commentating.
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace perhaps,can you tell me why i did not receive an invite for the tournaments on ASIA in Ascent #3?
@pastel tartan
I suppose that something went wrong. I'll check it out.
wet tide
Maybe the savings in flights and costs can be transferred to a decent $ pool 🤗
@vital obsidian nice one xD
winter swallow
Well if you consider that Twister costs/overheads include the following...
- 42 players'
--- Flights/travel
--- Accommodation (~4 nights)
--- Subsistence (food)
--- Welcome packs - Venue
--- Rental for ~3-4 days (set up, operation and decommissioning)
--- Stage/lights/equipment etc.
--- Routers... jk - Staff
--- From what I saw, you've got probably close to 100 people (technicians, Blitz staff, senior management, camera guys, technicians, stage builders, make up artists, editors, directors, and many more etc.) working LONG days and over a weekend
--- Over time (if WG pay that?)
--- Time spent working before event
--- Potentially accommodation (?) - Commentators' (x2 EN)
--- Flights and accommodation
--- Subsistence
--- Welcome packs
--- fees as applicable
The $100,000.00 prize pool is in reality, a small part of the overall event budget.
Granted, certain items are likely covered by specific sponsors - and this funding may not be as forthcoming for regional online tournaments instead of Twister - but realistically, WG have demonstrated they can run fairly smooth streams - so I am sure they'll deliver good tournament coverage remotely too.
The above cost list is not even exhaustive - like the artists guy and rapper last year, extra - hell even the artwork and promo events/material linked to Twister costs time and money to develop and produce... BUT - all that not being required, frees up a large sum of money.
The real question is, will WG have prize pools scaled to server sizes?
pale finch
Aye well, if the prize pools aren’t at least 20k per region it’s a joke, I think they could squeeze out even more money because as Rolling mentioned above the 100k prize pool is not much compared to the overall costs.
glass thunder
server problems with clans now we can't invite players to team or register the team for tournament @chilly terrace
well it work normal now
vital obsidian
20 k is a joke!
rocky vine
@glass thunder I have the same problem.
upper oar
The New Format of Autumn Season 2020 ⚡️
You can probably guess from the headline what this article is about. This year, the pandemic has affected the plans of many companies while also changing the everyday lives of people around the world. One after another, exhibitions, concerts, and many other public events have been canceled or postponed. Unfortunately, Blitz Twister Cup 2020 will share the same fate.
After carefully considering all possible options, we've come to the conclusion that it's simply impossible to hold an event of this magnitude without posing a risk to the health of participants. At the same time, technical limitations do not allow for a complete shift of the tournament to an online format.
In order to guarantee a great show for eSports fans without jeopardizing anyone’s health, we decided to completely change this season's tournament format. This autumn, each region will have its own online championship. So gather your teammates and get ready for intense tournament battles, commander!
upper oar
The New Format of Autumn Season 2020 ⚡️
You can probably guess from the headlin...
hey guys, just leaving this message here for future reference
obsidian vine
30k for all severs, 15k for first. 8k for second. 5k for 3rd. 2k for 4th. Now that would be amazing
chilly hemlock
Sad to hear no twister but definitely the right decision
$20k historically is 10, 6.5, 2.5 and 1 if my memory serves me well
vital obsidian
Well overheads are cut so they could be transferred to the players. And there need be good enough motivation to put time and effort in an ordinary season tournament, while legendary Twister is off. And now probs the cash per team is divided to 10, not to 7. So fourth place in the major tour a year gives 100 $ per player? buuuhaaaa
winter swallow
Without WG's event budget and knowing how much money comes from where etc. it is impossible to say how prizing should be split.
wicked snow
Tbh twister is the only reason most of the Cw players actually play , The prizes for other tourneys r 😬 idk 200$ for over a month of games and evenings gone not to mention trainings, twister is the only tourney worth that's worth it , if there is no twister then at least the prize pool should make up for it imo
civic glacier
That’d be funny if they didn’t change the prize pool for online this twister 🤠
chilly hemlock
I just hope it’s quite a bit more than spring season
Easily they could do $30k for each of the 5 regions and still spend less than twister
daring bear
This supposed to be with pc players or?
chilly hemlock
@daring bear they logged in on pc but they can’t use pc controls. This has happened for years now
daring bear
so what happens then? It looked like they were afk for a bit
flat goblet
Inb4 prize pool scaled but not tournament format
chilly hemlock
@daring bear basically their pc turns into a mobile display from what others have said. You have to click buttons on screen with the mouse?
normal scroll
Why is Hellas is in the map list ? It's like the worst map ever -_-
@daring bear I have a laptop with tactile screen so they might have the same kind of pc
sterile basalt
so how did the tourney went tonight? :3, another wave of 252's and action X?s aahahaha
jade spoke
Woah missing out on all this drama
harsh ember
@sterile basalt Pretty much
winter swallow
@normal scroll it is near unanimously agreed on EU server among top players and teams that Hellas is a poorly designed map for tournaments.
normal scroll
@winter swallow going in the deeps is actually jumping in a trap and stay up means getting shot from everywhere in the map, like wtf
crisp shore
And I still don't know how to play the map well 😂
normal scroll
Just turn off your brain and it should work
chilly hemlock
New bay is not good either
regal ridge
I am in tournament just suffering.. 😢
winter swallow
@regal ridge what is the source of your suffering?
regal ridge
team..
pastel tartan
or just do what was said on their birthday stream, you need to practise the map more
solar coral
😂👌
crisp shore
Practise 40 hours a day
winter swallow
hmmmm.
left stratus
Holi
vernal dome
Hello 😎
wooden temple
We came in to the final with only hellcats 😂 😂
sleek canopy
ns job
thorn shale
@sudden root English only
sly axle
wooden temple
Bruh
proud holly
Comedy
gentle void
i hate this one
livid galleon
new bay spawns are unbalanced
thorn shale
so since there’s skirmish it shows for friday and o ur clan usually does friday quick tourneys are there still gonna be traditional quick tournaments on friday or only the skirmish ones?
chilly hemlock
@sly axle this is what they expect to happen lol
sly axle
lol ikr
lofty root
lmao very true
livid galleon
252Us will have nightmares about the squadron of T28s, T69s, indien panzers, centurion 1s and AT 15s that will head their way
thorn shale
I understand the map ping system being 9 block for randoms to avoid spam but having a 4×4 or better yet 5×5/6×6 grid for tournaments would be awsome. Would spare time having to explain positions with voice.
3×3 is fine but the lack of accuracy makes it easier to just use voice or chat never see it used in tournaments, a 5×5 ping system would actually be useful for tournaments, on Wot PC leading without map pinging is impossible and personally I think that slightly more depth to the map grid would be a positive and easy thing to implement in to the game without any controversy.
livid galleon
^
Many people don't even know pinging the map is possible on blitz
thorn shale
^
Many people don't even know pinging the map is possible on blitz
@livid galleon Because its useless When you ping the map your opponent could be anywhere inside of a massive block and its uselwss for redirecting team mates. I think its time the ping system gets the upgrade to a 6v6, pretty sure everyone would love it
chilly hemlock
Why ping the map during tournaments when you’re on voice?
thorn shale
Why ping the map during tournaments when you’re on voice?
@chilly hemlock Currently theres no point in pinging cause what you ping coulf be in a 200m radius, but if it was a 6×6 you could send people to specific houses or hills on maps like oasis palms and spare time of explaining position. Just a nice thing to have, people that play wot Pc campaign will know you never knew you needed it untill you ginally got it
thorn shale
You can easily say “td second house left red line”
@chilly hemlock I could, ooor I could ping the map which would be faster and would cause less confusion.
Its a comfort thing not a necessity. And since WG doesnt seem to be fizing spectator they might as well add this which would be super nice in standard battles too where half the people dont have voice let alone a brain.
But fr making callouts for 3 individual clusters of tanks is slower than pinging, not every position is as black and white as "third house on the left". Better map wont always be needed but its better to have than to put off imo
chilly hemlock
@maiden wedge #tourneys-team-search
fallow raptor
It's more of a want then a need but this still is pretty good to have to avoid confusion. Normally confusion won't happen cause ur entire team would be pretty experienced in tourny stuff already thou.
The small things that have some form of impact are better than the big things which no one needs pretty much
chilly hemlock
@thorn shale I didn’t delete your last post on purpose... honest to god mistake
Unless you deleted it
thorn shale
Hahaha no it was me no worries xD. Was kind of pointless comment by me dw mate
livid galleon
My take on summer season so far
daring bear
sounds about right
fathom tiger
Pinging minimap is like only to show where the td is sitting or where it just shot ya
Or ”can ya see if there’s something”
thorn shale
@foggy gust use #tourneys-team-search if you want to join a team
Pinging minimap is like only to show where the td is sitting or where it just shot ya
Or ”can ya see if there’s something”
@fathom tiger For the (relatively) small amount of effort it would take to implement in to the game even if its only used for something minor like that I think its worth it as a tournament feature
chilly hemlock
I just feel like there’s a lot of teams that are more advanced than this. The other problem is that the small the squares get, the harder it is to accurately hit them on a mobile phone
alpine adder
I’ve never seen that much use for map pings while we’re using VC. Don’t think it’s too big of an issue. It’s useful when you don’t want to interrupt someone speaking and get some information across.
Pinging the map isn’t as easy to do on small screens anyways. I guess there could be some work done to it but I don’t think it’ll ever be a priority on their side.
crisp shore
I actually find pinging maps potentially useful, especially during the late-game stages, when all you can say about positioning is encompassing a big area on the map and relies on whether your teammate understand the position you are talking about. The late game stages do not need really precise positions and smaller grids will mean much less time in describing the position you want the teammate to be in, hence increasing the efficiency in the chat.
Unfortunately, if it is used to mark the position you want the teammate to take initially, I would rather go for stratsketch/wottactic since it is much more specific and the grid would have to be super dense in order to pinpoint the exact location.
pale finch
I ping the mini map occasionally in CW and it’s fine the way it is
thorn shale
As I said dont expect it to be a huge different, and dont expect anyone to appreciate it untill its implemented, but as somebody who commands on Wot PC its proven to be super useful. I could easily make all the commands with voice on PC and people would know what Im saying but a lot of the time pinging is a better alternative, I say 'go here' and ping instead of saying 'go to the bush on the tank destroyer hill by our spawn'. saves time in the heat of the moment. Id use it in Blitz too but the system is too broad.
Its not about initial positions but rotations and callouts mid/late game. Not for everybody but people from wot pc would know. Also it doesnt have to be a super small grid, it could also be a marker (like on Apex Legends but aerial view) that shows up on the map and flashes for 2 or 3 seconds which would make it far easier for mobile players to use as well.
pallid raven
I think a more precise map pinging would be beneficial overall for everyone, not just in tournament's. The reason it's the way it is, is probably because of small touch devices where it's hard to exactly ping a spot, but an improvement should definitely not be discouraged.
livid galleon
Maybe make it so you can set the map pinging grid to a certain size? And if someone pings a different size square than yours it still displays that ping on the map, though your pings would look different
livid galleon
look in #tourneys-team-search
chilly hemlock
Solid idea actually. Potentially make it a setting to 3x3 or 4x4
hollow bolt
The setting wouldnt work because if you had it 3x3 and pinged sector 2 it would be either sector 2,3,6 or 7 on a 4x4 grid but making it so the smaller divisions were a multiple of the larger ones would work eg 3x3 and 9x9 as a separate option
thorn shale
Here is what I meant in my post above
Made it in google drawings so excuse the quality, point is that you click a spot on the map and it shows up, this way players in a tournament on mobile devices have an easier time instead of possibly mis clicking a spot on the grid.
The grid system would be awesome but obviously some devices with small screens wouldn't work well with this sort of change so I think this is the way forwards
mild river
^
fathom tiger
Old lost temple?
proud holly
I want old maps
gentle sierra
would be usefull tbh
south fern
Maybe bring an event where the game goes back to what it was? Idk just a thought. Like back when +2-2 was a thing and with the old old maps. Maybe for a 10 year event if the game ever makes it that far. A lot of fairly newer players (like me, late 2017 for my first account) never got to experience the old maps, but got the old tier ones to play
pallid raven
Didn't miss much, but it would be a nice event, not sure how possible it would be to do.
They definitely have the time to do it tho, especially when they put out events like world of ducks...
glass thunder
@thorn shale good idea
graceful jetty
Finally theres a decent idea that noone really should be opposing but still people be arguing against it
pallid raven
If it doesn't benefits them, there will alway be people who oppose it. Idk how this wouldn't be beneficial, but they always seem to find a way.
graceful jetty
You dont know what u were missing out on until you try it.
Explaining positions in vc might be "good enough" as it is right now but it can only get better with a more detailed map pinging system. Why cant people realise that?
There are so many opportunities for error when you are explaining stuff in vc and implementing a more advanced map would introduce new ways to call while helping to decrease mistakes caused by miscommunication.
My suggestion would be to keep the minimap divided into blocks but 6x6 (like the grid that's in light grey on the current map) instead of 3x3. The y axis from 1-6 and x from A-F. So top left would be A1, top right F1, bottom left A6, and bottom right F6.
This would allow callers to say things like, "dont go past 3 line" or "hold at B5" instead of just saying "dont go past the 2nd hill" or "hold at the end of the big hill next to C cap".
Its SO much more detailed and it's clearly an improvement over the current system, I cannot fathom why people would be against it.
The argument seems to be that the minimap is too small to be pinged accurately. The minimap right now is actually very inadequate and in need of an improvement (as can be seen, nobody uses it). The squares are so large that if you make a mistake you're now pinging an entirely different section of the map to where you intended to point out. You may not even be making a mistake but trying to point out a position between sector 5 and 6 for example but since the plots are so large it pings an entire 80m by 80m section of map which helps you in explaining where the position is in no way at all.
If you make an error on a minimap with smaller sections, your ping would still be in the general area you wanted to point out and not the complete opposite side of the map.
graceful jetty
Nobody uses the minimap to ping cause right now it's completely useless since the squares are gigantic so unless you're trying to say something super general (which rarely happens) you have no reason to use them.
If you give players the tools to be specific about the positions they're talking about in vc they will surely use them
flat goblet
Phone players trying to ping location 😆
real geode
Lmfao yeah, imma have to stretch my right thumb across my screen 😂
haughty berry
Hi
winter swallow
Have the map "zoomable" - add a button to toggle zoom.
Step 1 - hit toggle zoom button
Step 2 - hit existing 3x3 grid cell of choice
Result 1 - Mini map area now displays that grid cell, split into 3x3
Step 3 - ping desired grid cell within the zoomed in minimap
Result 2 - mini map for team is pinged at a 9x9 resolution, and the pinger's map auto zooms out to original view
I know. I am very clever.
Alternatively, hit toggle zoom button and the mini map fills screen - I am guessing you could achieve a higher resolution this way but it would mean fractional loss of in-game control. TBH - I prefer option 1 and think a 9x9 resolution is sufficient.
thorn shale
Hi everybodies, for the "skirmish" tournaments it's always 2 per tiers? (sorry i'm not good in english 😦 )
thorn shale
Have the map "zoomable" - add a button to toggle zoom.
@winter swallow Would be easier to just have the system I drew out but if WG devs choose to stick with a grid for some reason then might work.
@graceful jetty If anyone tries to argue with you send them to this video at minute 1:55
YT vid link: shorturl.at/mozK8
thorn shale
#tourneys-team-search is the channel for that @torpid forge
thorn shale
Weird observation but I was spamming Skirmish tournaments in my chieftain and realized that I was making 15-20k credits while spamming gold ammo even when I was dying. Has it been changed so that you dont pay tank repairs in game or something?
Even in my non premium tier 10s like the fv4202 I could spam 15 hesh shells, die and only loose 5-10k credits while in normal tournaments that would be like 40k
jaunty basin
not sure the specifics, but special game modes like this generally earn wayy more creds and XP
torpid forge
#tourneys-team-search is the channel for that @torpid forge
@thorn shale
Ah sorry didn't see that thanks
thorn shale
so there’s no regular tournaments today just skirmish. what about sat and sunday?
torpid forge
Can with exit a tournament team or not ? My button Exit is disabled
arctic axle
once a tournament team is registered a player can not exit it unless the team is unregistered or disbanded.
wooden temple
Time for the Hellcat Cult To overtake Skirmish
winter radish
There is spectator mode only on T10 Skirmish tournaments amiright ?
harsh ember
Good question
vital obsidian
skirmish mode has spec so there is hope 👍
wet tide
Better come back asap. It be boring af for reserves to just wait all the time not able to play and cant even see what is happening in the battle
fossil lance
just play better and you wont get sat
slim birch
Anybody need 3 tankers for a T7-8 tournament?
haughty berry
Y have su 152
blissful lion
Hello can somebody tell me how to kick people from my team
wild hornet
Still kind of new to this game. Looking to join a squad to learn more. Can anyone point me in a good direction?
livid galleon
tawny solar
Can spectator plzzzz be fixed?
proud holly
^
snow mesa
Bruh my team of so unlucky in the last summer tour battle he first round we won and then in are second (also last) games we go up against LEGON (think that's how it's spelt?) e.g. The clan that won the 2017 twister cup
rocky crystal
We should have Gravity mode and/or Mad Games tournaments
snow mesa
And uprising
analog osprey
@frigid aurora Legon snek
crisp shore
Uprising tournaments 👌
frigid aurora
yea legon man
jade spoke
Hi Legon snek
silver vapor
P2w suck
arctic axle
fried eggplant also sucks but what can you do about it
south fern
Not eat it
winter swallow
Meanwhile - in Europe...
wooden temple
XDDDDD
winter swallow
One group is a little bit stronger than the others...
chilly hemlock
@winter swallow its like win rate based seeding is stupid or something
Why not sort the tournament after the first one by cups?
pastel tartan
ask that to wg,but i agree, group 3 has like half of the top 8 in it
chilly hemlock
Not to offend anyone, I haven’t followed Eu too closely, but that last group seems really soft
south fern
The only clan I recognize from there is RA1D, I should look at EU clans more 😅
pastel tartan
group 3 is the first picture rolling sent
winter swallow
Group has 3 offline championship clans in lol
fathom tiger
The most iconic eu clans some would say LGN, R2K and RA1D
thorn shale
There needs to be an ELO system for tournaments
winter swallow
Absolutely. The current system is just amateurish at best.
jade spoke
i mean that can be good for other clans, they get some chance to win final in their group
analog osprey
ELEM ❤️
chilly hemlock
@jade spoke so you’d rather win because of lucky seeding rather than beating whoever you face?
That doesn’t sound at all like the right way to earn anything. Especially not top 8
jade spoke
for once
livid galleon
I'm still confused why fixing spec mode is taking so long
chilly hemlock
@jade spoke sounds like winning off of merit isn’t your thing
urban cobalt
👀
south fern
I'm still confused why fixing spec mode is taking so long
Everyone is, I don’t think it’d be too difficult to fix, especially since it still works fine in TR’s...
vital obsidian
it works in skirm qt aswell
south fern
You’re joking, right 😐
pastel tartan
the issue i have is the insane frame drops when tanks get spotted, someone fires or it gets to close combat, sadly i cant check and confirm if its my pc entirely or the version im using
thorn shale
Why not sort the tournament after the first one by cups?
@chilly hemlock
Does anybody have any ideas for an elo based format?? Would be nicer for tournaments to be sorted like advances are on Wot PC than the current system.
glass thunder
rexy once said they did want to do it like that but they had some problems
chilly hemlock
Elo would make the most sense sadly
glass thunder
yes cause wr system is abused in eu lot of team get ez +70% wr teams with rerolls and thx to that we see groups like yesterday with r2k lgn and raid
we even had 78% wr team and all players have less than 1 k battels xd
crisp shore
If an Elo system, or some similar system is used for the community CW, I would be happy to be involved in the maths, though formulating one such system will be pretty difficult because lots of factors have to be taken into account.
glass thunder
yes must just replace current one specially with newbie mm for rerolls all get + 70% wr without doing anything special
fossil lance
and then you can just play ratings or events to keep your numbers inflated
fast hareBOT
Blitz#8037 has been warned.
Glory#8427 has been warned.
Ventiom#2566 has been warned.
slim blade
This Friday will there be a skirmish tournament of a normal tournament?
thorn shale
@shadow mica use the #tourneys-team-search channel
winter kernel
Hello I'm new here
muted ore
This Friday will there be a skirmish tournament of a normal tournament?
@slim blade Hello. On Friday, there will be normal tournaments (quick).
slim blade
Thank you
slender harness
So when can we have a gravity/uprising/mad games tournament
fathom tiger
hopefully never
chilly terrace
So when can we have a gravity/uprising/mad games tournament
@slender harness
Such tournaments may be held someday as a fun tournaments (you shouldn't wait them as regular tournaments). You can follow news (and tournament tab) in the game client and you will find out when such tournaments will be held as soon as possible.
tribal skiff
Uprising would just be outright chaos in a tournament format
slender harness
You should hold one quick tournament for it just for a special blitz occasion
jade spoke
tournaments bugged for anyone else?
pallid raven
@jade spoke bugged for me
signal comet
wtf?
pallid raven
silent tundra
@copper ore ??!!!
quasi sail
can we know what is happening with Tournaments ? @chilly terrace
thorn shale
@chilly terrace
tribal skiff
Well, RIP tournaments
vital obsidian
Tour history gone aswell
merry lava
why I cant see the tours?
quasi sail
why everything is gone ?
chilly terrace
Hello there!
We know about the displaying tournament issue on EN and we are working on finding the reasons and fixing it. As soon as we know any approximate timeframes of solving this issue, we will let you know.
UPD. An issue has been solved.
chilly terrace
Hello there!
We know about the displaying tournament issue on EN and we are work...
pale finch
Would be nice if it didn’t affect the ascent tournaments :))) ( it’s working now lol )
thorn shale
And EU
silent tundra
tournaments come back !!!!!
pallid raven
Fixed
round prawn
hey someone looking for player for touraments?
dull dragon
Nice that Devs are doing tournament games, albeit only skirmish ones
hardy delta
7v7 comp gravity mode would be very fun
thorn shale
Yees
wooden temple
Tournaments in a nutshell
wooden temple
they were in RA1D and VE1L tho
south fern
They’ll be fine
livid galleon
push everyone into the water lol
jade spoke
Did you commit swim?
wooden temple
We did yes XD
jade spoke
Question: why this mode tournament earns you more credits than regular even though it’s fast paced?
proud holly
The credit rewards are the same. But since theres only 6 people a team, the distribution's more generous
jade spoke
Increase it in normal, playing tier x loses lot of credits
tawny solar
Tron is correct
thorn shale
@molten aurora English only
proud holly
If you do well in Tier X, then u'll gain alot more than you lose
I wish that there were more tier options for tournaments.
Let's face it, nobody's going to use a tier IX in a tier IX-X tournament if they can help it so why not just make a separate series for each tier?
turbid portal
@proud holly good point there skip.
proud holly
Also I just want to see what Tier 9 tourney meta would look like
minor sierra
why is the time for tournament changed today?
left portal
Tier 9 tournies would be great. It’d be really fun to see what can be thought of. Tier 9 is one of if not the most balanced tier in the game (except for when they introduce a new tank line and make the tier 9 ridiculously good so ppl grind the line). And it’s never really been done so that would be great to see. Would of been a great addition for summer season instead of tier 8 premium spam.....
minor sierra
Tier 9 premium spam tournament is good too. Any change is better than no change. Call it Premium only tier 9 tournament or one non premium tank only tier 9 too or even a tournament for PC device only,.
shrewd mason
@minor sierra its a mobile game why someone want only pc device tournament? Lol the tournaments should be only avaible on mobiles only... Because its a freakin mobile game then you have to play on a mobile.. the idea of make a non premium tournament is a good idea cause the tours 99% of obj 252u and other broken tanks in t8 or even other t6 and t10 matches...
bright hinge
Wrong it should be on every platform
shrewd mason
Im glad wg did an tournament where peoples only can join in a phone not in pc.. its a huge advanteges if u can use mouse and keyboard
fathom tiger
all the big tournaments are still touch only
chilly hemlock
Thankfully they are
shrewd mason
Yes, its should be everywhere.. casue its a mobile game, or just like the same controll mode, its should be making a tour where u can use mobile and pc but only againist other teams where they only use the same device...
analog meadow
Hey, I'm new in the tournaments, can someone explain it pls
chilly hemlock
@analog meadow you and your friends play other teams. Usually it’s best of 3 in supremacy. If you win, you keep playing. If you lose, you’re done generally unless it’s a quick tournament
analog meadow
Thx @chilly hemlock
chilly hemlock
@analog meadow I can go into more details if it helps but direct message me for that please
pastel tartan
@chilly hemlock hey you might wanna delete a message ^ also sry for the tag
thorn shale
@thorn shale This is the English server
minor sierra
@shrewd mason it is not like permeant. Now and then is not a bad idea. It is like this summer. The tournament is tier 8 only. It is not too bad. So maybe in future, WG wants to try premium tank only or regular tank only or even PC player only along with touch device only.
thorn shale
@simple prairie use the #tourneys-team-search channel
proud holly
Tier 9 Tournament Mode x 2
mystic rover
Is server busy it saids error 99
minor sierra
Yes Tier 8/9 and Tier 6/7 tournament are interesting. Dont mind trying. This can help WG sell more premium tanks in 7 and 9.
sterile basalt
guys, right now half ofteam crashed and cant log in, anyone else?
fathom tiger
Yas
They closed another server
jade spoke
Server maintenance
tranquil seal
3/4 of the guys got disconnected. Great timing.
feral thorn
With the server maintenace we got kick from the tournament. We want our credits back WG
last cloud
Tournament over now. Second life used for nothing. Wow 👏
hollow bolt
Server crashed in tournament again 👌
timid dock
scenic thorn
my team got 4 wins in a row because the others didn't press ready
and they were not offline
left portal
You’d think they’d shut down tourneys during an update phase
jade spoke
I need atleast 1 million credits as compensation
jade spoke
fathom tiger
You also got like 20 notification bars while being in the garage?
jade spoke
Ye
obsidian vine
any tourney below tier 10 is a waste of time and bad
urban cobalt
Not unless you are memeing 🤔
velvet dome
@chilly terrace last night i saw the option of having spectators in tourney. I would like to ask if spectators are available and allowed for todays ascent tourney?
pale finch
There will never be spectators in major tournaments or the qualifiers to them I believe
obsidian vine
I mean what’s the point of meeming tier 8 is literally not fun, tier 6 though is more fun then tier 8 lol
vernal wraith
@obsidian vine..ur waste
chilly terrace
Hello there!
Regarding EU tournament yesterday: there was unpredictable server maintenance. Unfortunately, things like that happen and none can be protected from such issues. All tournament prizes were given out according to the tour which team passed. There won't be any additional compensation.
@chilly terrace last night i saw the option of having spectators in tourney. I would like to ask if spectators are available and allowed for todays ascent tourney?
@velvet dome
All major tournaments and qualifiers to them are not allowed to play with spectators from team. We don't have any plans to change this rule.
silver vapor
@chilly terrace what are the plans with the Yukon map, will it be part of the tournament map rotation for tier 10 in the foreseeable future?
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace what are the plans with the Yukon map, will it be part of the tournament map rotation for tier 10 in the foreseeable future?
@silver vapor
Not earlier then September, but it definitely will be
silver vapor
Not earlier then September, but it definitely will be
@chilly terrace in that case is it possible to update the minimap forum post to add the lastest minimaps of yukon to there so we can start preparing for it? 🙂
vital obsidian
September ~ Atumn season mby 🤔
chilly hemlock
@obsidian vine it’s almost as if competitions are supposed to be the pinnacle of a game
Tier 8 is possibly the worst example of that. Every match in ascent has been more than 50% premiums
buoyant rock
@chilly terrace wtf?
silver vapor
@buoyant rock apparently a reset of games for the other bracket as tournament bugged and players for one of the matches didn't get to fight and got 2000 downvotes from the bugged system
silver vapor
So 101ad didn’t receive a match but instead 5k downvotes for not showing up tournaments 😆
buoyant rock
Wt...f
candid pike
Wtf time @@ , i will go to sleep 🤣
chilly terrace
@chilly terrace wtf?
@buoyant rock
Two teams met bug during the tournament. The match for them was rescheduled and all next matches as well. Now we are waiting for the result of this match. If we don't receive results again, their match will be set as 0:0 and all the rest matches will be rescheduled.
arctic axle
asia at its finest...
shrewd iron
We are scheduled to wait 2 hours for a 3rd place match 🤣🤣🤣 as per what i can see. Quite the wait
desert anvil
Plz give Credit WG
cedar parrot
what happened? @shrewd iron
alpine adder
@cedar parrot it got rescheduled wrong.
buoyant rock
alpine adder
chilly terrace
Match [APBZ] ALPHA vs. [101AD] TEAM OF CHESHUO was set as 0:0. The all rest matches after this one were rescheduled. Check out the actual schedule in the game client.
cedar parrot
Aaaaaa..... Does this mean 1010AD has to fight APBZ again?@chilly terrace
buoyant rock
silver vapor
I think they never fought APBZ to begin with
chilly terrace
Aaaaaa..... Does this mean 1010AD has to fight APBZ again?@chilly terrace
@cedar parrot No. 101AD and APBZ will receive compensation
jade spoke
What next
shrewd iron
What does this mean for the rest of us?
silver vapor
you wait
buoyant rock
I want to go sleep
chilly terrace
What does this mean for the rest of us?
@shrewd iron Check out the actual schedule in the game client. All matches were set as earlier as possible.
dense delta
Is there compensation for the delay?
I can't stop everything just for the "game".
chilly terrace
Is there compensation for the delay?
I can't stop everything just for the "game".
@dense delta
There isn't.
crisp shore
Potentially -ID- have to play at 23:30 which is pretty late imo
shrewd iron
12:30am here for our 3rd place game.. Brisbane time
oak veldt
F to the aussies and nzs who still hav games left lol
crisp shore
In my opinion, it might be a better idea to scrap today's tournament and start over again next Saturday, just to be fair to 101AD and APBZ, though it won't change the situation for them being very solid in the top 16. (However, I have to apologise to TCS-1 for their hard work tonight but might be the most fair to all the teams in the upper-half of the bracket)
As for the stream, I will see if I actually have something to do in the next few minutes, if not I will try to stream the -ID- matches as well.
silver vapor
cough hardwork cough you telling me spamming 252u is hardwork (just saying)
crisp shore
I haven't seen back the matches of TCS-1 against FEAST but they did solidify their position in the top 8, which means if the tournaments are cancelled, their important win against XR would be annulled. (Although I hate spamming the prems)
ember marlin
What is a good strategy for town on port bay? It seems like town is more viable in tourneys than pubs.
fathom tiger
Go to the port and make a big train then drive that train into the water
shrewd iron
here we go.. tourni time
Dead rail 😏
ember marlin
@fathom tiger amazing strat
normal scroll
Nice bug after our FIRST BATTLE in the Ascent @copper ore
scenic thorn
Same
rapid shard
gg
pastel tartan
@chilly terrace
normal scroll
Nice update 7.1 @copper ore
Will we get an update without these classics bugs please ?
south fern
Can y’all actually stop pinging her about it? She’s not the only person from WG on the server and they’re aware of the problems. It takes time to get hotfixes out
rapid shard
Can y’all actually stop pinging her about it? She’s not the only person from WG on the server and they’re aware of the problems. It takes time to get hotfixes out
@south fern maybe we are in a tournament right now and its a little awkward bcs we try to get top 16 this season
wet tide
@chilly terrace sry for the ping but what is happening with the tournaments? My entire team got kicked from the game after winning one match by default and cant log in anymore..
lavish oasis
Same here. But we didnt even start our match
normal scroll
i love this game so much, too much so i might leave it lmao
blissful crescent
nice glitch...
rapid shard
a clanmate got this glitch (the rest of the clan cant enter the game) we all got these deconnect glitches when we started our first tournament match @copper ore @chilly terrace thx for help pls
F for that asian guy kekw
pastel tartan
the exact same thing happend on asia, one guy got up to 14k
meaning once its fixed games will be rescheduled
timid dock
Mannn, wg should have cancelled this tour
unreal crow
OMG LOL
normal scroll
14k complaints ? xD
dapper stirrup
Mannn, wg should have cancelled this tour
@timid dock they should, yes
real girder
BRUH
wet tide
Waiting with the bois till tours fixed with epic elevator music
jade spoke
KEKW, it’s not gonna get fixed, look what happened on asia
eternal flume
@copper ore tournament broken again?
signal comet
wtf wg
spring crypt
Tournament is completely broken, permanent 0 min invitation and no opponent
normal scroll
what happened on asia actually ?
timid dock
The same what we are facing now
onyx merlin
All crashed
pastel tartan
asia had the same thing,your games will be rescheduled most certainly
rapid shard
i know why this happens: they wanted to add the T54E2 but the game couldnt handle it bcs the tank is too BALANCED
sterile basalt
is everything crashed?
limpid geyser
Ok tournament broken. Hope this will not effect overall standings as for leaderboard and we will get some kind of compensation.
frail ember
Crash:(
scarlet juniper
Great I can sleep👍
velvet pumice
nice tourny battle
dapper stirrup
Ok tournament broken. Hope this will not effect overall standings as for leaderboard and we will get some kind of compensation.
@limpid geyser same mate
wet tide
asia had the same thing,your games will be rescheduled most certainly
@pastel tartan how long did it take for the matches to be rescheduled? Was it like 1 hour later or more?
rapid shard
gg bois
pastel tartan
it was like when all games that could be held were over, then wg gave mention
dapper stirrup
WG better give us a free IS-6 Fearless for our pain
frank forum
?
normal scroll
xD
pastel tartan
its happening again,this time on eu
copper ore
Guys, we aware of the problem with tourneys. Specialists are already trying to solve it.
mild garden
1864 complaints lmao 😂
agile depot
F for that guy
frank forum
Ok! So no tournamemts for a lot of teams to night?
tranquil seal
@unkempt ingot we
chilly hemlock
For everyone complaining about the tournament downvotes, you’re not the first to bring this up. We understand that you are frustrated by this but give wg a few days and it will be fixed back to normal. You will live. The world keeps spinning
pastel tartan
the games will prob be rescheduled, same happend in asia, so try staying awake longer if possible
chilly hemlock
For everyone complaining about the tournament downvotes, you’re not the first to...
fathom tiger
or go to sleep now for a couple of hours
winter light
See u in 2h
jade spoke
sleeps for 8 hrs
sonic flame
@copper ore Will there a QT tomorrow?
hard glacier
Can we finally say that? Idea of T8 tournament was bad idea. Especially 10 ascents....
inland solstice
lmao
glass thunder
thorn shale
😢
livid galleon
People pinging alexandra are obviously the only people that know that Alex controls the vehicle specs, the tournaments, the servers, the graphics and the shop :/
winter swallow
Just impressive how something completely unrelated to anything fixed in 7.1 is now broken. Like - come on. Does no one test this before it is released? I waste time on tournament whilst also wasting life playing game 😂 is too much.
sacred pawn
Xd
sonic iron
Ehhh
tranquil seal
e v e r y s i n g l e t i m e
Even if the update is completely unrelated to tournaments.
thorn shale
it happened on the other server some hours ago and now here. Cant you test it in EU before the games start? like wtf
frosty nexus
@everyone
Dear players on EU and NA server,
We would like to notice you about one important thing. We've faced some technical issue which is affecting tournaments. In case of this we decided to move Ascent tournament #7 on tomorrow. The start time for the tournament are still the same but they day has been changed to July 17th.
We are very sorry for any inconvenience.
icy fractal
Hello
white raven
Rip
lucid nacelle
I have a question
inner hawk
Who tf pinned me
gray elbow
kek
royal frigate
Ок
waxen otter
Ok only if u give me 2500gold
deft cosmos
Æ
winter light
triggerd
thorn shale
who ping me
tight sinew
Bruh
tranquil talon
Ok
feral igloo
Reeee