tourneys-discussion

[proud holly]

Just make voice chat age restricted too lol

Make it an option to toggle voice chat on and off if you’re over 18 or some @chilly hemlock

[hardy delta]

Gotta give Verstappen his positive affirmations

[chilly hemlock]

You already have two servers constantly complaining about multiple languages in text chats. Does this not get worse over voice?

[sinful crest]

I lowkey agree an m4 iPad Pro was over heating on the ultra test imagine every other device

[deft cargo]

S23 ultra overheating a lot, have to use all minimal settings to be able to run discord + 120 fps and still then my phone gets a little hot

[chilly hemlock]

Bring back Twister Offlines!

• @earnest crane

[chilly hemlock]

I think ignoring all of the guaranteed problems that will come with this is unfair

I completely think this would help things. I also just never think wg will do it

[boreal garnet]

Thanks for making all tournament players right. They are not making any money from tournaments because they dont view comp as potential thing since long. Tell me when was last time wg saw tournament as a potential door? Im not trying to offend tolyan thats not even her fault. How a card mobile game has bigger comp than us? Anyone can search theres alot small games with more attettion on comp than wotb. Guess why? Because they trying to make a solid community. Every 50 new players who start playing see alot hard work to grind tanks but there nothing more than this. There is 0 relevant games with no comp, but someone who can't understand would say "theres Minecraft also Terraria" so don't tell anyone comp is 10% thats a shameless opinion. Agree with you, but then we should give up? I dont want to

[chilly hemlock]

My point is that wg has ignored what tournament players has been wanting for years. This has lead to tons of burn out with in top end players and they’re not at all easily replaced

[proud holly]

What do you think we should do when WG seems to be asking what tournament players want then.

It at least seems like that with reforged, there will be better infrastructure for tourny improvements but it seems like you’re interested in keeping the glass half empty.

Edit: No because it seems you constantly reiterate how pointless or hopeless it is for WG to implement anything at all.

Store idea seems solid though

[earnest crane]

I generally find it healthier for players to express what they want instead of the "nothing will change why bother attitude" after all, I have asked for Twister Offlines to return every day and at the very least I'm sure its been noticed. Even if it never comes back, I'm happier knowing WG knows what I want.

[grizzled obsidian]

Was standard like 5 years ago lol

[chilly hemlock]

Because I’m shooting one idea down? Crazy

The culture of blitz is part of it. There’s not enough incentive to ratings or tournaments. How many people have tried a few or a bunch of tournaments, gotten stomped by the better teams and then gave up forever? That’s why I like the store idea. You have to play/watch to get the rewards

[bold plinth]

good points mr verstappen

[chilly hemlock]

It’s not pointless, but it’s easy to be skeptical. Truly, I am rooting for a return to offlines for blitz, but I have a hard time seeing it with how complacent it’s been since pre Covid man

[grizzled obsidian]

Basically without an in-game voice chat it is IMPOSSIBLE to make friends and coordinate a team with random new players for a new tournament matchmaking, it's not so hard.

And IT'S NOT A CULTURE, it's basically hard for a new player without friends in-game:

discover a hidden tab of tournaments
try to enter a team with at least 6 available to play
wait captain register team after find at least 8 or 9 cuz one or two maybe will be afk
text captain to send a discord link in any social media
finally play a quick tournament in World of Tanks Blitz

Solution:

direct button to matchmaking for quick tournaments
voice chat with pre-selected languages that players speak/understand to coordinate team actions

IT'S NOT SO HARD

[silver beacon]

@covert ore you’re my blitz competitive tournaments idol

[chilly hemlock]

How did every clan/team start then?😂

You completely ignored what I’m saying. Tournaments had hype and tons of entries early on but once top teams started taking over, drop off started. Some would try to train harder and beat them but after losing enough times, people stopped bothering. The tournament interface isn’t seamless but is a completely separate issue

[bold plinth]

if you know anything about the tournament scene then you know it can get extremely toxic, do you really think this wont spread to in game voicechat? Toxic tournament team mates will not encourage new/less skilled players to keep playing and yeah they should get banned but moderation for this kinda of thing is not easy and is costly and it doesnt stop the harm from being done
voice chat is an ideal that relys on the good will of all involved and this community isnt really suited to it

[chilly hemlock]

Exactly why I point it out. The support team already gets over run with tickets, this would double or triple it

[grizzled obsidian]

You're saying that every team had to start somewhere, and that's trivial, a tautology, and adds nothing. Can you explain to me why the USA has never won a World Cup in soccer, nor has Brazil won an Olympic basketball championship? BECAUSE THE FIRST CONTACT WITH BASKETBALL IN THE USA IS EASY, AND THE FIRST CONTACT WITH SOCCER IN BRAZIL IS EASY. Did the players on the US national soccer team start somewhere? Yes, but it's not as easy a first contact as in Brazil. The Brazilian national basketball team started somewhere (obviously), but we don't have the same easy first contact as the Americans do. The first contact of a new player of World of Tanks Blitz with a tournament scenario is hard, and it's a huge problem, tolyan asked for a reason.

[chilly hemlock]

“Just turn off voice chat” “just make voice chat 18+” doesn’t stop harassment or racism etc etc

[barren imp]

to be fair you have also been completely ignoring 90% of the things said in this channel too

it matters because the rest of us have 15 minute cooldowns and you get to machine gun 10 messages explaining why you think everyone's ideas aren't good, so ultimately the channel is filled more with your negative messages than anyone else's contributions

i estimate 10-15 people have been in favor of korah and nego's ideas in this chat, but you alone having the cooldown bypass has turned the dialogue from a 95/5 favor to a 50/50 favor

if tolyan asks the community for what it wants, and players respond with what they want, there really isn't a reason to shoot it down, especially as someone who hasn't played the game in literal years

[chilly hemlock]

Why does that even matter. I have zero more influence than anyone else here lol

I pushed back on what I think wouldn’t work and listed why. It’s not my job to respond to every single suggestion

I’ve pushed back on one general idea

All good. I’ll leave you guys to it

[bold plinth]

This is a good point but i dont think voice chat is an appropriate solution, there should definitely be more incentives for taking part and there should be an in game method specially to find a team for tournaments thats not just inviting random players or applying to random teams.
Also want to add that to properly moderate voice chat Wg would have to employ much more staff and it likely wouldn't be seen as a worthwhile expense, we should focus on ideas that are both cost/time manageable for devs/wg because honestly tournaments are only a part of the game and we need to justify that its actually worth investing in them before Wargaming will actually make big changes that we want to see

_34 does also make a good point in that its very easy for you to poo poo other peoples ideas when you dont have a 15 min chat cooldown in which you have to actually try and type a meaningful message so you should consider that

[grizzled obsidian]

I challenge you to join any game that has voice chat—CS-2, Free Fire, PUBG... Most of the time, players will collaborate with their team/squad, just like in Blitz. Would there be toxic behaviors at times? Of course, yes. Failing to implement something ESSENTIAL for team coordination just because someone might be toxic is like not eating because you risk ingesting something that's not good for you. Is it worth tearing off your leg because you scraped your knee a little?

[proud holly]

I think the secret elephant here is that WG’s moderation system is so bad that they can’t handle any more “violations” than what they already have.

Maybe reforged can allow for better automated messages

[barren imp]

if a poor support system is really the thing holding WG back from making good changes to the game, then idek what to say

[bold plinth]

Those games are all exclusively PC and were designed to include the option of voice chat, Wotb is mostly mobile atm and vc on mobile is quite hard to achieve.
also its not essential maybe you just dont know how to type in game and use the quick commands because good players really dont need vc to communicate
Also if youve ever played those games youd know that the toxicity and racism is unavoidable and the wotb has quite a large playerbase that is under 18 and so I dont think your argument is valid

Also good point @proud holly id hope for an automatic moderation system possibly for reforged to cut down the load on the moderation team

[sinful crest]

I like how we all go on useless debates just for wargaming to do da opposite lol

[orchid spear]

I like how the only argument against voice chat is toxicity, wake up ppl all these games have it. The r6 community has hella toxicity and racism etc, if that game had no voice chat it would never have ever ever ever gotten as far period.

The same can be said about most team based shooters. The ones are still alive and doing well today, are the ones with voice chat where people can coordinate, have fun moments, and be toxic.

[smoky wave]

Wargaming is honestly throwing the potential that the game has away with their ignorance in improving the tournament scene.

There is almost ZERO incentive for newer players, or even older veterans that have already been playing the game to try tournaments. There’s not enough media coverage, or spotlight from Wargaming that pushes the “esport” scene into something that players want to follow.

There’s no real media, commentary, and coverage made on tournaments, there’s no real “spotlight” on the top teams or players that the larger player base could care enough to watch or build a following for.

There’s no hype or genuine sense of excitement, most players don’t care about a bi monthly tournament scene that is hardly acknowledged or pushed.

Why are the servers top teams kept from playing each other? Wouldn’t it make sense to take top 4, (or take the winner from each server), put them in a combined bracket and then have a significantly increased prize pool, and a “global” title. Doesn’t a have to be offline, could be online, you literally hand out press accounts so teams can scrim cross server so we know it’s not difficult.

VC for competitive games is pretty much industry standard, at least for tournaments, add it.

So yea, no wonder theres no offlines, no company wants to sponsor a dead tournament scene.

[grizzled obsidian]

FREE-FIRE is a mobile game bro, I can list other mobile games with in-game voice chat:

League of Legends Wild Rift
PUBG MOBILE
COD MOBILE
Fortnite Mobile
Vice online

Isn't it easier to give a simple medicine to someone who scraped their knee at some point than to rip off their leg? You're basically saying that players would stop playing World of Tanks Blitz because someone would eventually be toxic, and your solution is to not implement the only possible way to coordinate a team full of randoms. It's basically saying that people should rip off their leg to avoid scraping their own knees. Believe me, applying medicine to a scraped knee or putting a mute button on voice chat is much easier than ripping off a leg or coordinating a team without being able to communicate.

[thorny carbon]

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[dreamy token]

"Don't know how to type in game" which is not the point here, the a quick flexible of communication is through verbal communication, yes with words you can read it and imprint into your mind unlike the voice however, it takes seconds to type one word and the amount of time spent on typing depends whether you wanna spout either a Vague or a Detailed command. As this is a mobile game, when typing, your screen gets blocked by your screen keyboard which affects your view to the active field, however with Voice call you can just speak freely without a keyboard blocking off 90% of your screen and spending time typing a command. With VC there are some flaws such the output audio to some people that can be either crystal clear or absolutely TV static, but since you don't need to spend time typing you can speak more detailed information and repeat the same information while being able to constantly see events unfolding.

[barren imp]

main reason for no cross-server tournaments is the ping of course... only an offline fixes this. which is why people want it back

[split cosmos]

To be honest, I don't think the VC itself is bad in the game, because it can also reduce the hassle of using it with other apps. If you don't like it, I think you can just use the off function and go to discord. In pub, you just have to do what you always do

[bold plinth]

you dont seem to understand what is required to implement voicechat in a game, devs need to be hired, moderators need to be hired it then takes time to work out bugs and other problems.

@grizzled obsidian worth noting all those are versions of viral games and have a fraction of the playercount the main version has. Also im not saying that players would stop playing blitz as a whole just tournaments (although it is possible it would drive players away) As for your handy little analogy its much more useful to prevent scrapping your knee in the first place

@dreamy token in game quick commands take a fraction of a second to use even on mobile and can be very effective to show what your intentions are and will suffice for all but the top level. As for typing i was mostly refering to PC which lots of high level players use. Also worth noting that many devices that run blitz will have a hard time running voicechat as well as all the other aspects of the game especially once reforged comes out and the graphics are more processor heavy. Also on mobile the microphones are often not ideal and not many mobile player own proper headsets which might make it hard to properly communicate.

@split cosmos i do think that voicechat has potential and if it was implemented it should be off as a default but honestly its a lot of hassle for something that can just be done through discord already

[orchid spear]

If lethal company created by a single person can have voice chat then a billion dollar company can make one too. A graphics update (reforged) isn’t going to stop the game from dying, but u know what has a decent chance of saving it…vc

[proud holly]

More particularly I think just lack of resources in general. It’s interesting that they actually scaled down the blitz cup tournament under the memo of Reforged, which still seems to be a far away item. Surely they ain’t that stretched thin

[grizzled obsidian]

Free-Fire is ONLY A MOBILE GAME, I can show a huge list of ONLY MOBILE games with in-game voice chat, including small games, much smaller than World of Tanks Blitz

And are u joking about coordinating a tournament team with text chat and quick commands?

Please tell me it's just a joke, can't be real 😔

[smoky wave]

I don’t understand how it’s possible to be arguing against advanced communication and coordination.

[barren imp]

let's at least make sure we are on the same page here, we are talking about voice chat in tournaments, particularly for new players to enter the tourney scene via quick tourneys. if you were just referring to regular games then fair enough, but if you think this would work for tournament teams too then i really have no idea what to tell you. yes quick commands are good enough for a random battle, but a tournament team using quick commands stands essentially no chance against a similarly skilled team using voice chat

@proud holly i was told at least that reforged was the reason for blitz cup to be smaller this year. it's virtually all-hands-on-deck for reforged, at least with regards to the lack of a broadcast (it was said publicly as well: #important-about-tourneys message)

[bold plinth]

once again wotb is a mobile game but also a single indie dev programming in their spare time can put a lot of effort into the game that professional devs just cant do as they are restricted by deadlines, profit margins and the likes. the market for vc games on mobile is so small its hardly worth mentioning

@barren imp the steps for implementing vc in a game are the same regardless of whether its gamewide or just a specific area, if teams are skilled enough and playing at a level where its required to be in a vc to stand a chance to win they will both have discord and use it believe me its a free app bro, at a lower level if the teams are equally skilled vc wont make that much of a difference the win is mainly determined by the overall gameplan and individual mechanical skill of the players
voice chat is mainly useful for microplay that a lower skilled player just doesnt need to worry about

@grizzled obsidian you could argue that those games are small because they dont focus on other aspects and just chuck vc in there expecting it to boost the games sales also if you really think quick commands are ineffective i can send you replays that prove otherwise

also @smoky wave im not arguing that advanced communication is bad im simply pointing out the obstacles and why in game vc might not be as effective as some of you seem to think

[grizzled obsidian]

All I'm proposing is a tournament matchmaking system to make it easier for players to enter the competitive scene, and a voice chat to allow random players on the same tournament team to coordinate. But, believe it or not, some people actually think we should maintain the huge barrier to entry for new players, forcing them to find a hidden tab and just hope a team captain accepts them, registers the team, and then shares an external communication method just for basic coordination. They also defend the idea that coordination in a fast-paced match between two tournament teams could somehow be handled with text chat and archaic pings. It's SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE. I CANNOT FATHOM HOW THE NEED FOR TOURNAMENT MATCHMAKING AND VOICE CHAT ISN'T OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE. 😫😫😫😫

CHALLENGE OF THE NIGHT: 🔥🔥🔥

@bold plinth Can u make a video showing a replay of u coordinating and winning a tournament match against a good team using only commands and text chat? (And look, I'm not even talking about a scenario where your teammates would be random players with no tournament experience)

[barren imp]

please watch Korahkorah's video that he posted earlier in the chat, i can tell you don't fully understand the target here

essentially: new players who want to enter the tournament scene don't have an easy way to do it. they lack community connections to find teams and get the full experience a tournament has to offer - enhanced coordination and team tactics. what Korah has proposed is the ability to more smoothly random-queue into a QT, and have voice chat with your random QT teammates. it is a much better system for teammates to strategize and get better integrated with tournaments in general, compared to what we currently have. but again, please watch Korahkorah's video

link: #tourneys-discussion message

[proud holly]

making discord and the overall comp scene a more 'integrated' part of the game sounds good

[orchid spear]

You clearly have not played tournaments much given that u just said voice coms don’t make a big difference at the lower level… it 100% does because it puts everyone on the same page. If u have no coms then it is nearly impossible to coordinate a game-plan

[smoky wave]

Coordination is really one of the big factors that separates top teams from ones that don’t perform as well. Integrating voice chat into tournaments helps bridge that gap and make communicating and coordination something that players can easily learn. Even the communication side of tournaments has a skill ceiling. It’s how you bridge the gap from random pub battles to coordinated tournament gameplay

[bold plinth]

ive watched his video its very good and i agree with a lot of his points but in game vc just isnt viable for so many reasons that ive already gone over

@proud holly this, making integrating discord into the game could be very effective as it makes vc accessible but isnt hard to implement

@orchid spear my guy making an argument over an assumption you make about me is meaningless and has no weight, have you ever played a tournament at a low skill level? theyre usually over within a couple minutes with the team with the better general strategy and tank lineup wins, the average player doesnt know enough about the game for voicechat to make a difference

a gameplan can be as simple as we all go heavyside, cap and then hold which can easily be explained in chat in the before game countdown and a simple strategy like that will win a lot of low level games
you can also msg the other players in game as to which tanks you want them to play, theres a countdown before each game which gives you time to do this

@smoky wave i agree with that but the average tournament player even now struggles with communicating even with chat and vc wont change that

[dreamy token]

Quick commands is still limited compared to Voice chat, i do understand some people who plays on an low end device may face issues in the face of VC (because i do experience this issue) however i still support the addition of VC, Quick comands and Symbols wouldn't do the job of its own and this is coming from someone who played with a team with absolutely no Voice chat, it's a horrendeous situation especially if teams have not gotten to know each other that deep yet (not like people would telepathically understand eachotherother, if one just casually said "play like a team). And implementing a verbal communication is what makes individuals understand eachother best improving best team play and coordination, than acting like a literal machine in-game.

[barren imp]

i don't agree with any of reasons you've spoken to for why game vc isn't viable. other than maybe the additional need to handle support requests, which would require more effort of course but it's an extremely basic capability that shouldn't be a reason for a game to exclude such a good feature, so i still don't agree. especially when there are countless examples of other games that pull it off very smoothly. with automated systems, etc

as for technical reasons, i don't see why there are any when other games are able to do it just fine. development time is exactly what WG have their hands full of right now as they make the transition to Reforged. new features and fixing bugs is quite literally what they have been focused on for almost the entirety of 2025

as for toxicity, every game with voice chat has this issue, and they all handle it sufficiently. i can't think of a reason that Blitz in particular wouldn't be able to handle things. and of course, individuals will always be able to turn chat off

[grizzled obsidian]

@bold plinth like this, and there's a mobile game that completely shatters your argument, and it's called WePlay. It's a game ten times smaller than World of Tanks Blitz, and it still has voice chat just so people can play a simple card game.

[smoky wave]

Look, if you don’t want it, then turn it off, none of your opinions are worthy enough to inhibit the ENTIRE player base from using voice chat.

[hardy delta]

Chat click the X at the top of your browser or swipe up on mobile, it’s Saturday night

[orchid spear]

2019-2021 played quick tournaments with several different qt clans/teams (mostly 48-55%ers) until I went to str8. So I have plenty of experience with low level tournaments. Then I started playing actual comp seasons and the following is my entire comp history.

Winter 2021 _str8 dropped out
Spring 2021 _str8 14th
Fall 2021 KS- 9th
Winter 2022 hated 10.5th
Spring 2022 Ponda 4th
Winter 2023 Ponda 4th
Spring 2023 Regi 6th
Summer 2023 Regi 7th
Winter 2024 -GP- 5th
Blitz X Cup 2024 DFM 3rd
Blitz Masters Legends I 2024 DFM 4th
Blitz Masters Legends II 2024 DFM 4th
Blitz Diamond Cup 2025 Regi 5th

Typing out game plans in chat is much much much harder than just using ur voice. If qt teams who don’t know each other through discord had access to vc they would be able to coordinate sooooo much better and that’s what matters most in low level comp. In low level comp the biggest blowouts r not because of mechanical skill differences, it’s because of strategy (the lack of strategy from uncoordinated teams)

[bold plinth]

i agree with the tournament matchmaking system but i still cant go with the idea that an ingame voice chat will suddenly solve all the problems in tournaments it just isnt that easy, also ideally tournament games arent as fast paced as they currently are and I think contributes to the problem

bro that game is a party game and is not complicated at all is that really the best example you can find 💀 the point of vc in that game is completely different to a competitive scene and is more social than anything else so of course it works

@barren imp the development time of reforged would likely be increased by at least a year if they wanted to implement voicechat depending on the dev team which i get the feeling is underfunded and not very large and thats very unlikely to be greenlit / the toxicity issue is quite big because of the average age of the blitz player, there are legal requirements that cant be avoided

@orchid spear youre already talking about playing in established teams which just isnt relevant to the average player and it literally takes less than 30s to type out a game plan before a game starts and 'lack of strategy' that youre talking about is mainly what im talking about, and coordination is a skill that is learned over time and vc doesnt change that, if a bad player is in a vc they are more likely to stay silent and keep on making mistakes than actually benefit from it
in the quick tournaments with random players did you ever actually do what im talking about or did you just play it like a normal match with nearly no communication of any sort

anyway thanks guys for the interaction its very useful for me to practice formulating an argument appreciate the polite respones that actually try to make points instead of just saying im wrong and giving no counterpoint

[barren imp]

a year with the addition of one feature on top of the many they're working on? not really how development works in my experience, since features are developed in parallel and not in sequence it might add a small amount of time in the end but not nearly as much as the total time to develop the feature by itself

underfunded? speculation on your end and on mine, but as far as i'm aware blitz prints money

and again, many other large games implement voice chat so if they all jumped through the hoops so can this one

[grizzled obsidian]

I literally proved to you that a ridiculously simple card game, much smaller than World of Tanks Blitz in terms of players, relevance and financial profitability, has an efficient voice chat, so IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A QUESTION OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY OF IMPLEMENTATION

[orchid spear]

Vc does change coordination immensely and that’s the whole point of implementing it. You also do not have 30s of time to type out a plan when the count down is only 7s long unless someone’s game crashed or has horrible internet. Again I also said I started by playing on qt teams, and what do u think the first step in that was… it was playing on a horrible team of randoms with no communication. The whole point is that adding vc removes that whole horrible first experience of no one knowing what to do, if ppl can talk to each other they can relay ideas instantly. It would make a huge difference to the initial experience of tournaments if you could just queue up by yourself or with a couple friends and end up getting to play on a 7 man team of people who can use their voices to communicate ideas, jokes, and just overall have fun together with. Have u ever played games such as battle bit? Part of the fun of many games is actually just getting to talk to random people while doing fun stuff.

Edit:
So what if it’s somewhat of a challenge to implement, this game is pretty much doomed to die if nothing changes. I think reforged is cool but if I’m gonna be honest it’s really just a graphics update with a few bells and whistles slapped on. If we want to see this game revived then we need big changes and this is one that doesn’t change gameplay but instead focuses on the social aspect of games. Voice chat makes games way more fun, u get to have funny memorable moments with complete strangers and it’s awesome

[smoky wave]

Perfect analogy

[bold plinth]

just because a game has a feature doesnt mean it isnt hard to implement, the developers of that game are a professional studio with lots of experience for that kinda of thing, the reason it would take so long for one feature is that the devs of blitz have no reason to be experienced in games that have voicechats and id be surprised if there is one if there is theyre probably overqualified theyd have to hire a least 1 completely new dev to implement it and that has a lot of downsides, im not arguing that voicechat wouldnt be a good addition to blitz it just doesnt seem viable all things considered

underfunded is all but guaranteed based on other things wrong with wg, little to no in game moderation, vastly swamped ticket system etc

[grizzled obsidian]

You're literally going against all behavioral scientists when they say that social interaction is in our very nature. Having an MMO-style game like World of Tanks Blitz without voice chat is unbelievable even by the standards of years past. And yes, TOURNAMENT MATCHMAKING + VOICE CHAT + RANKING BY CONTRIBUTION WILL BE A MAGIC SOLUTION TO BRING NEW PLAYERS TO COMPETITIVE SCENARIO

I presented the reasons in my video and comments here

To play in a tournament, u must first join a team, and therefore, joining a team needs to be as easy as possible.
To play as a team, coordination is necessary, and coordination needs to be as easy as possible.
To keep playing, the newcomer needs to feel part of the community and see their own progress

[smoky wave]

We also want a proper “ratings”/“ranked” system, it legit is meaningless how it’s currently ran. (I don’t even play this god awful trash of a game mode) but I assure you a lot of people would if it was meaningful, ALSO capitalising on the competitive nature that blitz is currently putting to waste.

the realisation that we really don’t have anything in this game 😔

[bold plinth]

yeah good things coming for ranked/ratings in reforged hopefully
at the very least they finally seem to be interested in listening to the community about what we want to see now we just have to wait and see if they actually go through with it

[regal lynx]

Well the cash cow kinda rides and dies with whether we like it or not. The real question is what happens 6-12 months after it releases.

[bold plinth]

yeah but im feeling hopeful for the future of blitz but we'll see

@grizzled obsidian accept the f request i want to send you a replay or 2

yeah so give feedback to help prevent it from staying an issue dont just complain fair enough bro but it wont change anything

[calm sand]

its even worse fyi, they absolutely did not fix battle spamming to climb ranks.
complaint is a form of feedback 🐵

[split cosmos]

CHAMA 🗣️ 🔥

[proud holly]

Today is a good day

[river cloak]

New one in reforged is actually good

[tight pine]

Bro u can deadass do this in every game that has a ranked mode btw

Edit cuz 15min cd

Ofc you can lmao name me a game where you cant. For example Fortnite,Apex,R6 2/3 of these games are insanly hard to grind to high ranks but u can js spam battles if you aint that good @smoky wave

[smoky wave]

No, you can’t.

[smoky wave]

As someone who’s played at a high level in R6 for the past 5 years, without bringing up the games own ranked system issues, you still cannot really spam battles to a high rank.

Sieges elo system does a fairly good job at mitigating that. Same could be said for CS and Val. Not to mention games like rocket league.

[tight pine]

Ive been couple of times top1k+- champ and i know many people from that elo that js spammed battles

[smoky wave]

Yes it happens but not often, and definitely not as easily as blitz. It actually takes effort at least.

And yes, I myself have also been in high champ elo for the past 4 years, so I’m not speaking out of my a** here.

[stone vector]

I see it as an update solely aimed at the PC player base, which is honestly a joke 😂 . But dont worry, wargaming is going to say "no we cant do this or that because we dont want this game to be like WoT PC" and then proceed to literally create WoT PC but in mobile 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne salmon]

@opaque heart im still haven’t received a reward for my participation in the blitz diamond cup

[stone vector]

Yes i agree it impacts every player, it impacts every player negativly 🤣 . Reforged doesnt run good in mobile devices at all, which by the way is to suppose to be the origin and main type of device of this game, but who am i to talk right, apparently wargaming is doing a great job because they are listening (every thing that was changed before its current state was downright awfull, disgusting and incomprehensible)

Argue whatever you want, reforged compared to the current game is awfull. The only 3 good things that were implemented was we can play in any server with the same account, the settings now give the ability to edit every sensitivity and finaly the fact that the new physics are a cool and fun concept (even tho they seem to completly tweaked with some bugs sometimes)

Also i see a lot of chat about tournaments importance, in my opinion, at least since i play clan wars, this game is boring as hell, if you want realism you play war thunder, and if you want arcade you play World of Tanks, but again what kind of arcade game relies on a non related website to actually rank players 😂 . Blitzstars has been doing what wargaming should do all along, theres no rankings in this game if you excluse tournaments and ratings, and dont come with the useless talk of "ratings is the real skill based mode" no, no it isnt. But anyway if wargaming even wanted the game to be not focused on clan wars, and be focused on public matches or even ratings, they are doing a terrible job at it.

Now lets head back to the topic that i got lost while writing. Tournaments are the ONLY thing that i call unique and engaging about this game. If you played clan wars before you know that pumps up way more hype and adrenaline than doing a high damage game in public matches for example. I honestly dont know how people play this game only for ratings and public matches, its so repetitive and boring, and theres no reward for it. Tournaments are the only way you will ever keep this game alive.

[waxen otter]

Please change your discord tag.

[gaunt gale]

me when i yap

[smoky wave]

What team where you on

[waxen otter]

On my galaxy s25 it runs on maxed graphics at around 100 fps

[stone vector]

? its a reference for submersible ship dude idc about the other meaning

And my a36 runs unstabble 50 fps on low graphics to the point i need to sacrifice resolution.
And another thing is that the settings are not even as customizable as the current blitz

[nocturne salmon]

vv

[pearl jetty]

I mean true, but let them start with something first

[stone vector]

The problem is their only "starting" now, and personally, i think its a HORRIBLE idea to just do a twister cup raw no preparation, i think first WG should be advertising seasons and get some people back to the clan wars scene and try to improve quick tours so more newbies get into the scene. And only then do a twister so it actually generates revenue. They could even do what they did on the stellar cup which idk why they stopped, which was the fund raising pack. Which actually made people notice there was even clan wars, i dont care what people say but no one cares to check the inbox news. The pack made it seem like it was something big, thats why in my opinion there was a lot of registered teams. And to add this on the pros also received a money bonus.

[waxen otter]

Buy better phone. A36 is budget. Why buy budget phone.

[stone vector]

Why would i invest my money into a powerfull phone or ipad if the future of the game is clearly PC and the only game i play is wotblitz

[gaunt gale]

invest into a PC

[pearl jetty]

True, I just want twisters to be in their head

@deft cargo literally, it’s literally a mobile game. This game should be able to run on budget phones

[deft cargo]

This a mobile, arcade 7v7 tank game not the witcher 4, budget phones should still be able to run the game at a stable 60 fps even if at lower settings

[stone vector]

dont say that bro, your gona make them mad for saying the truth 😖

[gaunt gale]

you're the only one getting mad here bud (ragebait)

[stone vector]

Its actually so funny when PC players talk about sum "buy a better phone or ipad" like they should be able to play this game in the first place 😂 still waiting for "same mode controll" on tournaments 🤤 !

Free cope down bellow!
@gaunt gale decent rage bait! 6.7/10

[grizzled obsidian]

@stone vector please go to #reforged-update-news-discussion , we are in tourneys discussion

[stone vector]

I cant type there + it probably has 4729473 minutes of cooldown

[tawny basin]

ur budget phone doesnt show channels name ?

[stone vector]

My budget phone detects low tier rage bait

[earnest crane]

Day 594 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/capoo-bugcat-cute-love-flower-gif-26565797

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-pereira-pereira-ufc-alex-pereira-ufc-pereira-alex-ufc-gif-27088281

[boreal garnet]

More like Stalingrad/ Leningrad battle

[smoky wave]

buy a better device if yours can’t run it 🤷‍♂️

$30 Walmart phone gamers over here.

[hardy robin]

Almost like that's the point of blitz?? Accessible to a wider audience but apparently wargaming has forgotten that

[stone vector]

Me when i speak without thinking

[smoky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-meme-brain-smooth-chatbubble-gif-16562439958126711181

me when I fall for blatantly obvious bait

[stone vector]

Me when i ragebait

[boreal garnet]

As I have been saying for weeks there is no game mmo alive with no comp being at least the second most important thing

[grizzled obsidian]

Accepted, waiting for your replays beating a good team only coordinating your team with text chat and pings

[boreal garnet]

🔥

[stone vector]

xdd

[grizzled obsidian]

I requested > A coordination in a tournament battle without voice chat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>coodinating focus fire, defending and push positions, spots, contra-spots, calls to cap A, B, C or D, share hp and so on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Guys, he sent me the replay of a public match, against 7 players 40% or 50%, 5 of the opposing team just commited suicide yoloing and what he calls coordination was a heavy going alone to the other side of the map while his team farmed the yolo, a horror show

[bold plinth]

theres no point showing a good team working well together thats not the issue
the point is that you can very easily get a team to coordinate if you use any form of communication
maybe mr superunicum doesnt understand that it doesnt take a lot to win a low level tournament game
we're talking about how to get newer players and lesser skilled players to start playing tournaments and youre focusing on things that aren't relevant to them

[grizzled obsidian]

bro, are u at least top 32? I can't believe u ever played a tournament battle in a average team

[bold plinth]

this is the problem youre talking from the perspective of someone who plays at a high level and dont consider what the actual 'average' player thinks about
if you think my own skill level means anything to this conversation theres literally no point trying to argue with you

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm not talking about skill level, I'm talking about what is essential to play a tournament match at a basic level, focus fire, share HP, handling captured bases, the correct timing of the push, rotations and other things, all of this is BASIC AND INDISPENSABLE, and cannot be coordinated by text

[smoky wave]

Aside from the coordination factor, having a vc and being able to talk with ur mates in a tournament, is just generally super fun, it’s like a core takeaway from the whole experience, the possible bonds and friends you could form, the messing around and just in general banter makes it worthwhile, completely separated from the actual reason we want it, this is a great benefit that comes along with it.

Influencing average players to even try and form basic connections with one another and TRY coordinating themselves could also possibly spark a passion in trying to actually improve, to make vc platoons normative. To make coordination a key aspect and not something that’s hard to accomplish. Honestly, all the arguments against it are pretty pointless, it’s better to open the door rather than to seal it off and never see the other side.

[sudden canopy]

@vagrant phoenix war hits

[split cosmos]

😂

[trim vortex]

Dude imagine how awesome it would be if on April 1st, it’s revealed that reforged was just an April fools prank

[proud holly]

I thought you quit

[smoky elm]

I would like to add a 6 Nations Cup or 4 Nations Cup to Blitz for each server. Imagine Blitz tournaments with countries. Man, that would be sick.

A Blitz comp HoF for casual players/tournament players to aim to be on would be pretty cool too.

[tawny basin]

@opaque heart add 4dm pls

[earnest crane]

Day 595 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[opaque heart]

they will be sent this week

if he was unbanned, yes

[pearl jetty]

🤓

[nocturne salmon]

aight ill waiting

[grizzled obsidian]

look your DM please

[silver kiln]

I don wanna

[earnest crane]

Day 596 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[opaque heart]

me reading the whole chat about VC

[split cosmos]

boring

[hoary rampart]

[chilly hemlock]

What are your thoughts?😶

[opaque heart]

personally i'm okay with idea of voice for tourneys, but don't know how hard it is to implement

for more accessible tourneys — we discuss how to do it in Reforged, so I hope there will be options when it will be easier to find a team (maybe not from the beginning, but we have drafts)

here I agree, that find a team is not easy

and yeah, rewards can be more interesting, credits are not intreresting anymore

and bigger tourneys is another topic for discussion, there were points I agree with, but it's not a point of discussion right now

[gusty jacinth]

With reforged the relevance of credits will increase again, especially for people with tanks to grind
So maybe some tourneys that give credits for people who want to grind would be nice then?
Or a system where you can choose between equally valuable but different rewards. (Maybe something like either Credits or Cool down Boosters, don't kill me pls it's just an example)

[opaque heart]

yeah, just for now credits are not so interesting

[chilly hemlock]

Do you think we could ever see a “tournament store” where the players choose what they want to buy with a tournament only currency?

Obviously not everything has to be exclusive. You can have premium time, silver conversion, free xp etc

[kind swift]

Tolyan will there be a season before reforged?

[chilly hemlock]

I feel like tournament only content does well across other gaming platforms. Same with ranked. You always see cod gun/operator ranked skins and same with rocket league all over public games

[opaque heart]

i think we will think what to add in the nearest feature for coins or other currency, maybe will start from unique avatars and background. maybe later add more other things as well ofc

the store option rn is easier to "fix" to motivate, that's why I run a vote to understand, what players want
cos technical things are harder to implement and it needs time

[opaque heart]

i think there will be some

[waxen otter]

Bring back off Season tournaments. They were fun. Even though the rewards were minor. They were basically like the real tournament just without the rewards.

[opaque heart]

what about leader competition

[maiden flame]

Tolyan is cooking again 🩷

[smoky elm]

Ma’am, what about this lol?

Operation Blitz Comp Accelerator

1. Twister Offlines with great, exciting streamers. We could invite Chinese and CIS server teams too.

2. Marketing for comp needs to be similar to the Stanley Cup, World Cup (Football), Nike’s Just Do It, military ads, etc with the theme of comp being cool

3. Blitz Hall of Fame for Comp so that players and teams will be remembered. A stat list of an individual/team/clan’s performance over the year (complete season).

The NHL has the Stanley Cup.

Football has the World Cup.

Blitz? We have the Twister Cup.

Blitz Comp Marketing in the Gatorade, Nike, NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs, and military styles could work because we’re targeting people between the ages of 8 - 30. If it works for them, who says it can’t work for us? Humans aspire to make history. We got to make Blitz Comp cool. Let’s flood social media with Blitz comp edits.

https://youtu.be/PvKdiQUbXoY?si=PmrcHvsKW80_Q3xo

https://youtu.be/pgVzAMQsP5o?si=FaTDa5hEa2mpLiNB

https://youtu.be/E8uggvSFsl0?si=0VILdoY5mJmLZhdG

https://youtu.be/SxBL-qImwQU?si=J93baZhHNN2Cwoy9

https://youtu.be/Bcpu-jqAL6w?si=c0LakYL_uhIk_29R

https://youtu.be/dbkFXrIOIPs?si=ek3_z7xeC5pSUShA

https://youtu.be/ImXPJaGHVms?si=V7F1f-CR1QsEejDm

https://youtu.be/JSd8CqBEbcY?si=ysvETN5_YlYBAkju

More of this: https://youtube.com/shorts/x7mdc9jLxGU?si=mosUbj8spSNFDam2

I would like to add a 6 Nations Cup or 4 Nations Cup to Blitz for each server. Imagine Blitz tournaments with countries. Man, that would be sick.

A Blitz comp HoF for casual players/tournament players to aim to be on would be pretty cool too.

😅 This was in the middle of the VC discussion.

@opaque heart O7 Tolyan! I have to reply with an edit because the 15 minutes is indeed quite long. Is it possible for us to shorten it to 5 minutes or lesser please?

[opaque heart]

#tourneys-discussion message

[barren imp]

leader competition format could use a slight change, maybe so the top 4 teams play a DE bracket in the end? the way it worked last season on NA, the tops teams rarely saw each other and it came down to winrate which was quite boring

also can we maybe reduce cooldown for better feedback convos? 15 minutes is still a lot lol

[opaque heart]

can be an interesting idea, agree

[opaque heart]

this chat is too toxic for smaller CD
i'm defending this chat as I can you know, so it's not closed

[maiden flame]

But please hold/keep this communication with us (community).
I’m sure, it will be the best to speak with community, get know what is the current problem and working together. Tournaments have incredible potential.
I’m sure, if we keep this form of communication and both sides are working against problems, then we have a great future and the community maybe a bit less toxic 👀
My suggestion, maybe do such a survey regularly in #votes-for-tourney-players before bigger tournaments released.

[maiden flame]

Also for everyone in Top40 or Top20 (idk) get a special unique Leader comp Camouflage, something like Supernova. A camo which you can only get this time and not anymore, every year a new unique „Autumn/ Winter/ Spring/ Summer- Leader Comp“ camo.

[proud holly]

Just having more transparent information (at an earlier time frame) would probably help a lot. Seems like with a lot of big tournaments the most we get is an announcement + a set of regulations… maybe only a week before the actual tourny.

We also do get some hints on discord like a “blitz cup season starts mid of September” but that’s not really information you can see in like the garage itself.

If it’s hard to create an ingame VC, then I also think that instead of trying to copy a function that Discord already excels at, just find ways to better integrate Discord into the game so that casual players have a direct pipeline into this server.

[maiden flame]

^

[trim vortex]

@opaque heart can the season be in December because like there used to be 2-3 months between seasons and now it’s like 6-7 and it’s chopped
Also don’t skip fall season

[supple quartz]

I also agree with the goat 34 about the format, do you think that rewards could be improved also ? like in my opinion top 4 should get different kind of rewards(to make it more interesting, especially if at the end they play in a double elimination bracket)

[waxen otter]

Is cool too the more tournaments the better

[hardy delta]

I think this guy might like hockey

[earnest crane]

If chat goes away, where can I ask for Twister Offlines 😢

[chilly hemlock]

#important-about-tourneys

Offlines are the peak of importance

[covert ore]

Please add more tanks to buy with coins like it used to be. I have 88k coins just sitting

[silver kiln]

Stop sitting on your money old man live a little!

[covert ore]

U right I should Gamble all my gold into Halloween crates

[orchid spear]

Gamble

[sinful crest]

Tourney for 50k usd for first when

[fair grail]

Wg aint willing to cough up that much

[proud holly]

But they have coughed up that much

[grizzled obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFcSvEznqB8

[barren imp]

great video, big fan of these UI suggestions. having an interactive map in the loading screen is a cool new idea i haven't seen before

also good to hear ur voice this time as well, ur english is good 🙂

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm doing everything I can to save this game. It's unbelievable to me that a mobile game like Free Fire can attract a million viewers for a stream in my language alone (Portuguese), yet the entire Americas (South and North, from Canada to Argentina) can't even muster 5,000 viewers for a Grand Final in World of Tanks Blitz like Diamond Cup even with a extremely good quality of stream offered by you

[grizzled obsidian]

@opaque heart we need to change this reality, we can't see WoT Blitz die, please talk with Wargaming business executives about >>> 1: Tournament Mode Integration: A dedicated "Tournament" mode should be added to the main screen, alongside existing options like Uprising, Rating, and Regular battles. This mode should permit extended platoons of up to seven players, automatically filling any remaining spots with random players to ensure a full team.

2: Mandatory Voice Chat: In-game voice communication must be mandatory for all participants in Tournament mode to facilitate effective team coordination and strategy.

3: Pre-Match Strategy Phase: A 60-second planning phase should be implemented before each match begins, allowing teams to define their strategy based on their specific map spawn, can be used a newbie friendly UI to help newcomers.

4: Incentivized Rewards: Offering significantly improved rewards for participation and victory in tournaments would be a key driver in attracting a larger and more active player base to the mode.

5: Weekly Schedule: Tournaments should be scheduled to run from Tuesday to Saturday, with each day dedicated to a specific vehicle tier.
Implementing these suggestions would elevate World of Tanks Blitz into a truly competitive experience for all players right now, fostering a more loyal and committed community to spend money and fill the servers.

[vernal flax]

rocket league is a bad example but I agree with cod. People don’t play rl bc of ranked rewards, but instead of how unique the game is (there is no competitor)

[chilly hemlock]

Rocket league is a good example because how many times do you see people with banners for what season and tier they won a tournament in. Ranked wheels etc maybe less common but I see the banners nearly every match

[proud holly]

I personally think 2. and 3. is a bit silly/fluff. rest seem good

Edit:
Hence why I think they’re redundant/unnecessary

Edit 2:
Yes

[maiden anvil]

how do you enforce 2

[grizzled obsidian]

are u talking about my suggestions? @maiden anvil u too?

[vernal flax]

ok fair point I wasn’t thinking about the in-game tourneys but rather just ranked rewards. However imo with rocket league, players use those in-game tourney rewards (tags/banners) due to a lack of other rewards. I believe you see those tags all the time bc rl has deprived them of any good/unique rewards 😭

I will say the rocket league in-game tourney solo q fill system is very effective and if wg were to make a tournament feature where solo q players get matched up with other solo q players to make a team, they should definitely look at rl’s example

[chilly hemlock]

Rocket league also has an elo system which by far and away beats the ranked system in blitz

[vernal flax]

I agree but with the position blitz is in, I understand why it has its ranked system. It’s hard to implement an elo system with the blitz player size + 14 man lobbies. I remember back in 2020, (where the ranking system was based on elo) you got lobbies where everyone was around your elo. This made it a challenge but satisfying to hit diamond with those 10+ minute queues. However with blitz in its current state, it’s just not possible to get enough players to care about ranked let alone play ranked. Diamond nowadays is how much time you put in ranked compared to skill level

If the queues back then were 10+ minutes imagine how long they would be now

Yea 5v5 could work but still players are just not interested in ranked

[chilly hemlock]

If it were me, I’d make it 5v5 on 3-5 maps that are 50% the size

Solves your queue issue a bit and unique maps increase interest

Then maybe you get more people wanting to compete in ranked but that then transfers also to tournaments

[proud holly]

Side note, the maps for the “mini” QTs stink

[vernal flax]

I agree playing on 50% size maps isn’t as fun as playing on full size maps. The solution to fixing ranked shouldn’t be to reduce the size of the lobbies and maps but instead to increase the player count to fill these lobbies. This is an unrealistic situation but you would never seen another game like cs reduce its ranked mode to 3v3 and have its tourney mode 5v5 since it doesn’t make sense.

If wg were to add multiple playlists (1v1, 3v3, etc) for ranked then that’s fine but they need to have 7v7 since it’s the main mode.

[proud holly]

I wouldn’t mind the other modes taking spotlight either if the maps for the smaller modes … didn’t stink

[barren imp]

mandatory VC is too much IMO, there should always be an option to disable. but it should definitely be a feature

[smoky elm]

There’s an age limit for the in-game chat. How the heck do us comp players DM another player if they are interested in comp if they are unable to use the chat?

[proud holly]

This again ties into why I think it’s better WG improves the pipeline from blitz to discord. Neither tournaments or this server have a notable presence in the main garage

[silver kiln]

Can we have a good cat camo reward that all I want thank

[thorny carbon]

Good camos will be gatekept and paywalled

[silver kiln]

Cat camo for top 4/8

on a serious note unique rewards for off season tournaments like Arena and Leaders would be cool, not just the stupid avatars nobody cares about running

[ashen solar]

Pro green for 2500gold

[silver kiln]

I don’t have that much

[ashen solar]

💔

[waxen otter]

The most important thing is you need to get stuff in tournament with that u can flex around.

[lime star]

Ferrari camo

[earnest crane]

Day 597 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[small void]

This one?

[grizzled obsidian]

bro, how to create a tournament matchmaking without in-game voice chat?

[chilly hemlock]

It’ll just disappoint you

[grizzled obsidian]

It's mandatory in the sense that there is no point in creating a tournament matchmaking without having an in-game voice chat, it is mandatory to have a voice chat, with an option to disable it of course

[barren imp]

oh i see

[elder sundial]

@opaque heart since we have gotten quick tournaments for other game modes, would we expect to see one for the infected front gamemode since looking at the video it seems like a mode that requires coordination on both parties

[hardy delta]

How would that even work though?

[flint venture]

@opaque heart May you accept my discord friend request, I have something important i need to discuss in DMs, thank you

[elder sundial]

I guess you could make a tournament of 14 people plus like 2-4 reserve players and then randomly choose 4 infected and 10 survivors and then just play the game mode as intended, it would require wg to make a larger roster possible but they’ve already proved they can do it, also it’s still just a suggestion

also I see what you mean now, I should rephrase it to maybe having it as a custom tournament where you can play the gamemode with specific friends/players instead of being forced to queue up with randoms

[boreal garnet]

I agree. People don't understand it's not only about bigger tournaments or more money, theres a lot work to do before we talk about more money or LAN tournaments. Nobody talks about how you take care of 3 servers basically alone, am i wrong? First message I read yesterday was about this chat be toxic, but I am sure these rude people also love this game, but They are just tired They keep waiting for WG. All opinions I heard from top 4 players in my server about that cheering compilation was the same, They liked a lot. It was same thing about crowd fund, but why WG told us they fear players don't buy again? As I said We are like abandoned children waiting for some care, so We are worried about wg ignore tournaments.

[proud holly]

Why is bro roleplaying Bumma Jack

[hardy delta]

Gamemodes in TR would go hard

[hoary rampart]

Thank you for the effort you're putting.

[rocky crystal]

10v10 Tourney next season 🫣

[silver kiln]

I said a good one, new one

[grizzled obsidian]

I've talked to a few developers and companies, and the cost of in-game voice chat is very low. For a game with the player base of World of Tanks Blitz, it's a price I'd call peanuts. Take a look at "agora.io", they do voice chat for big mobile games like Roblox, and the only thing that really requires some work to implement is 3D spatial voice chat on maps, something World of Tanks Blitz simply doesn't need. In other words, even the implementation is outsourced and cheap. Wargaming probably knows this and doesn't want to implement it for public matches. But at least in "tournament matchmaking", it's something that can't be swept under the rug any longer; the scene is DYING

[weary vapor]

Voice chat wouldn’t change anything for tournaments, if people wanted a voice chat they would probably use discord anyway.

[grizzled obsidian]

It's impossible to create a tournament matchmaking like we suggested with random players without an in-game voice chat to coordinate movements bro, they DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER to use Discord, u arrived about 3 days late in the conversation to be raising this trivial point

[weary vapor]

I think I need you to make another TTS video for me to understand

[thorny carbon]

World of tanks pc has voice chat and even high elo onslaught most of the time everyone is quiet. The rest of the time it’s usually to call out yo moma for something you did in game.

[grizzled obsidian]

I recorded the last video with my voice. You are here to make jokes and raise trivial points, the famous "since I have no ideas to help, I will try to hinder"

[weary vapor]

@trim vortex is this tuff in ohio?

[ebon cape]

is being a clown tuff on NA?

[deft cargo]

You are the reason WG staff wants to delete this chat, stop being a

[rocky crystal]

Yea we tuff on NA

[thorny carbon]

[pearl urchin]

Xdd

[weary vapor]

Damn right mystican, nobody beats NA, best teams in the game, best players, the 2043 twister cup is gonna be a easy sweep

[hardy delta]

What’s up 2nd best server winner! How’s it going?

@ebon cape That’s a tuff bio you got, did you put 6-7 minutes into it? Mad aura fam 🔥

[pearl urchin]

Didnt know christians used to ragebait like that

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-goblin-clash-royale-emotes-gif-24376565

[ebon cape]

well u get my point

[weary vapor]

Own those apeacs and europoors, they got nothing on us sigma ohio American chads, maybe if they tried a bit harder they could compete

[thorny carbon]

The only reason us europoors can’t clap back with the American equivalent of that word is that it’s a straight ticket to get banned

[hardy delta]

“Unfazed” seems a little fazed at messages not directed at him

[pearl urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[weary vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-scared-scary-flop-gif-8576938341887257950

[thorny carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189938181014036482/1263862558973235292/otagShrug.gif

[ebon cape]

15 -> 1 hr for the 🇺🇸 (irrelevant subjects)

[proud holly]

Delete the channel

[grizzled obsidian]

The most impressive thing is that even if we have a serious conversation here about ideas, methods and means, a guy like you always appears who thinks he's in a stand-up show with no audience. I imagine what a guy like that must be like in the real world in every sense to the point that the only way to get any attention is by acting like a stand-up comedian when others are being serious

[weary vapor]

@rocky crystal @hardy delta he got me guys 😔

[elder sundial]

Blitz cup rewards r out 👅

[shy heart]

No i think yall just like taking it like good boys

[smoky wave]

comedy

[languid axle]

Lies

[maiden anvil]

yes twin

[boreal garnet]

More slow mode please. This chat makes me cry

[opaque heart]

yes, i was doing 3 servers alone 🙂
crowd founding was not repeated for some other internal reason, personally I would like to repeat it

[opaque heart]

thank you for noticing

[earnest crane]

Day 598 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[weary vapor]

How does the limit even work? I noticed that too but it goes away once chat loads in after like 10 seconds.

[sick quiver]

Kaya stop being such a baby! Zap!

[chilly hemlock]

In fairness, there’s an age limit for Call Of Duty as well. I don’t think I need to say more

[grizzled obsidian]

1. Technical implementation issues: I've already investigated the costs this would incur for Wargaming; they're minimal, practically nothing. And companies that provide voice chat usually do all the implementation and maintenance work, meaning it's outsourced. 2. Toxicity issues: Players you consider toxic can be simply muted with a button. 3. In-game coordination tool 1 minute before matches: I'd rather not comment on this, as it would be so simple for Wargaming and its UI designers. Newcomers should also understand how a match should be played as a team, even if only in a very basic way

[boreal garnet]

We'd love too

[indigo edge]

More big boss tourneys. They are so funnn

[languid axle]

When do rewards for top 4 arrive?

[elder sundial]

yesterday

[languid axle]

Lies

[elder sundial]

nuh uh

[silver kiln]

We don’t get any we’re undeserving, no money, no game rewards, in fact we owe them $500 so start buying those crates

No Work you didn’t offer me anything I took it for myself, don’t be mad I use you for nothing in return it’s your fault

[proud holly]

You owe ME fye hunnid

[gilded marsh]

You owe blue an apology for drawing that avatar

[proud holly]

tduhhh still owes ME FIDDY

[elder sundial]

tgr*up

[sinful crest]

Jkr and origin won paid 0 for avatars and earned the most money

[proud holly]

not a ME problem

[orchid spear]

Can u let him draw ur avatar next season so that another team has a chance of winning NA, its getting boring to see u win every time

[proud holly]

he got one from ME already

[quaint gorge]

U ain’t seenin that bread

[earnest crane]

Day 599 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

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[elder sundial]

Who’s running team yellow with me next season chat 👅

[sick quiver]

ah yes

[spring gale]

ima need chatgpt to summarize everything said here for the past week

[hardy scaffold]

Quite rude don’t you think no reason to talk like that.

[odd wolf]

why did i only get 4k gold?

[silver kiln]

You don’t deserve more

[elder sundial]

Brotato chip got the blit cup prize pool instead

[smoky wave]

if said internal reason was taken out of the equation, could we see it come back?

[river cloak]

100k compensation for pro green xd?

[sick quiver]

100k credits compensation for every dupe camo =)

[river cloak]

thought it was more for pro green/vio lol

[scenic yarrow]

Anyone up for Quick Coins 7vs7 VII-VII? Signup is up at the moment looking to create team or join 🙈

[earnest crane]

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[grizzled obsidian]

still waiting for this...

[earnest crane]

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[earnest crane]

<@&481447501690568709>

[fierce robin]

✅ jig__saw0114 was banned.

✅ jamie5884 was banned.

[maiden flame]

[glossy gyro]

[stone vector]

how come switch players are not allowed to play official tournaments 🤔 🤔 🤔 I say we give them a chance to play in the big leagues 😄 😄 😄

[rocky raptor]

Nah

[proud holly]

THE LION SUBMITS ANYTHING THAT SPEAKS

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-cute-cute-smile-cat-smile-gif-3506344065033604903

[vagrant phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cats-frick-ugh-urgh-gif-13323984719999690937

[steel shell]

You can play on switch, wdym

[median lodge]

If you make it to 1k wg either owes you a twister cup or a season prize pool worth of rewards

[stone vector]

They can play seasons? I had no idea lmao

[maiden flame]

Theoretically they could, the Switch should count as a touch device if I’m correctly

[earnest crane]

Day 602 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[proud holly]

2026-10-11

[chilly hemlock]

You keep on fighting the good fight. The real ones are with you

[waxen otter]

You started this when i was new to my job. Whenever i see your message i remember how time flies

[proud holly]

WE, HAVE FINISHED CONDUCTING BUSINESS FOR THE YEAR

[grizzled obsidian]

still waiting for quick tournament matchmaking with voice chat...

[hardy delta]

I can’t wait for them to not have quick tournament matchmaking and voice chat just to spite you

[silver kiln]

I’ll add it tomorrow first thing in the morning just for you

[earnest crane]

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[whole quail]

What is the criteria for a team's win rate in a tournament? X win rate, 3000 or more battles of X, number of battles of X taken into consideration, and only the top 7 players in the team with the highest X win rate are included?

[stone vector]

Combination of the highest 7 tier X player win ratios of the team. 2500 required to be fully elegible for that criteria. If the person doesnt have 2500 battles, every battle not played until 2500 mark is counted as a loss.

[stone vector]

Miss Information

[indigo edge]

3 spectators in tournaments please

[silver kiln]

whole team spectators

[chilly hemlock]

I believe there’s livestreams for that

[elder sundial]

What about the people who aren’t getting streamed

[barren imp]

ingame spectators aren't even allowed in top 8 and beyond, so id assume he's implying tourneys outside of official seasons

[chilly hemlock]

I was strong supporter that callers played instead of spectating personally so I’m happy with this

[barren imp]

agreed but that's always been a thing, i don't think this question is about that lol

[velvet monolith]

Negative ball knowledge

[proud holly]

<@&481447501690568709>

[fierce robin]

✅ kenu21 was banned.

[smoky elm]

Spectators allowed in top 8 tournaments please!

[earnest crane]

Day 604 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[scarlet sleet]

@smoky elm negative

[silver kiln]

There’s a reason there isn’t spectators, it shouldn’t be hard to think of why, so how about instead of asking a question you know the answer to, you give reasons why they should allow spectators in top 8 or how to fix the issues with spectators in top 8

At least make an argument instead of begging

[gilded marsh]

just watch the stream from a guy on ur team who has a good pc or good tablet

[smoky elm]

I’m begging? Lol. Why can’t spectators be allowed in top 8? Is it because of PC callers? Then, we could revert back to non-PC for professionals as it should be. Heck, it wasn’t even allowed back when PC comp players weren’t allowed in comp. 😂

[proud holly]

PC or not, you prob just don’t want your callers calling from the bench, kinda lame

[silver kiln]

You said “please”, and I wasn’t arguing with you, I just said if you want to actually make a strong message then back it up with some reasons at least, or you’re gonna look like a joke and get ignored. If you’re still complaining about pc nowadays then Idk what to tell you, most of the players who performed at a top 8 and top 4 level continue to perform at that level. Again, I don’t care about arguing with you, I was just tryna help you.

[chilly hemlock]

Hot take. Be good enough to play instead of watching from the bench

[ebon cape]

or maybe lead a t32 team and then ur always playing!!

[smoky elm]

Oh lol. Thanks.
@chilly hemlock Agreed.

[barren imp]

calling from the bench be like
https://tenor.com/view/lex-luthor-lex-epic-crashout-crash-out-gif-16605187456907607751

[smoky elm]

Why would it be stupid lol? It allows those playing to have better device performance since they don’t have to stream their games. I’m an advocate for a caller that is playing since I’m used to it too. I’m merely concerned for the other 3 guys that seem to have difficulty in watching their own team play.

Talking about asking for unnecessary stuff, I just thought of asking for another stupid stuff lol. Is it possible for free cam replays to show HP and IGN? 😂😅

[scarlet sleet]

I could say several names as of why there is no specs for top 8 🤣

[smoky elm]

lol

[royal forge]

Small suggestion as a casual tourney player (on how to make quick tourneys more appealing).

I think personal rewards instead of team rewards could be a great help.

(It could help team captains avoid tension with players who they decide to put as spectators) - it would enforce team mentality "we win as a team" and it doesn't matter who exactly was actually playing in the most battles.

[thorn tusk]

^ Good point - Yes I am selfish

[chilly hemlock]

Anyone willing to sacrifice device performance to stream the match to guys on the bench aren’t serious about top 8

Maybe the other 3 should get better so that the team has to use them

[steel shell]

😂😂

[ashen solar]

if u play on potato dont stream lol

[hardy delta]

Bro said make an argument instead of begging and his argument was “you can think of why it’s bad”
😂😂

Having 3 spectators would increase a teams competitiveness and that’s pretty intuitive, having 3 more people observing and giving information will lead to better plays in general which will lead to more fun competitive games in comp. Not sure why everyone is so sensitive to that change as if most teams don’t already run streams on their discords for their subs anyways 😂😂
@chilly hemlock the nursing home is calling for a missing resident with these takes

Ronaldo 2016 euros final <— example of a player being on the bench and helping

[chilly hemlock]

Wow. A whole one example from 9 years ago. I’m impressed

[orchid spear]

Hot take. You should stop shutting people’s ideas down when you don’t even play the game anymore.

[chilly hemlock]

Nah you’re right. Have at it, clearly this is what will save the tournament scene

[scarlet sleet]

You have to be top 8 or play the game to care about whats going on ? @orchid spear

[supple quartz]

That's not what he said tho ❔

[chilly hemlock]

When I was playing, we didn’t have the caller as a spectator because the goal was for them to travel with the teams for offlines. Clearly a bygone era

Obviously having a caller spectate makes things way easier, especially with another 1-2 people helping to manage also without playing

If you guys think this helps in the current generation of tournaments then so be it

[elder sundial]

so its better to have 2-3 "worse" players sit on the bench and do nothing at all over having them as spec which can have them actually contribute by giving extra coms helping the main players.

[chilly hemlock]

You’re missing the point. We had to sit people because callers were forced to play

[orchid spear]

Sounds like the issue here is that the whole team wasn’t allowed to go to offlines, subs shouldn’t be bared from going to offlines

[chilly hemlock]

Offlines didn’t have spectators and I completely forget when wg introduced spectating

[stable elbow]

Im losing braincells

[chilly hemlock]

It wasn’t that simple. Wg only had 7 spots to give out and not everyone could travel nationally or internationally within a 1 month window

Again. It’s not a problem now, but it’s why my mentality is what it is

I don’t like the fact that offlines are off the table for this current generation of players for the foreseeable future

I don’t like the fact that there’s limited engagement towards new and unique rewards that you actually want

[scarlet sleet]

Look i understand the points both sides are trying to make but think of it this way , they took it away for a reason and i think we all have an idea why and that its not just about devices being worse or better or just being careless on how players felt like i said i could name a few names and reasons but im not a snitch 💯 🤣 its sus asf if any of you are mad about specs being taken away after what ive seen and heard going on.

[chilly hemlock]

Having a really good player who doubled as a caller was a huge advantage because they had to multitask. Again, a different time

It all comes down to what the biggest and brightest stage is currently and right now that’s not offlines. In which case, spectators are probably fine

[hardy delta]

Have you ever bought a mystery cream on a sketchy Craigslist posting perchance?

[young cedar]

How bro felt bringing up a near-decade-old example… my decade old example is to make tanks good enough again that they don’t require special consumables to be good in comp 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[pearl jetty]

Cus Ronaldo is the goat

[scarlet sleet]

Im sure you have bud

[chilly hemlock]

Super consumables always felt like a lazy way to go about tank balance

[proud holly]

Nerf reactive

[hardy delta]

Increase module damage when active 🗣️🗣️

@scarlet sleet You remind me of my uncle who did that is why I ask, he’s never been the same since

[thorny carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-walter-white-absolute-cinema-white-walter-absolute-gif-10929974052418095046

[orchid spear]

Guys someone tell fifa that coaches will need to play now

[earnest crane]

Day 605 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[proud holly]

Useless analogy

[hardy delta]

I love art boys insight it’s so helpful 😍

[proud holly]

I think he’s alluding to how those who are PC spectating can stream to people outside the team.

[orchid spear]

They can do that while playing too… and they do

And that also happens with mobile only tournaments. So that argument falls flat

Remember elev vs lvg? There was no specs allowed and it was mobile only, yet it still happened.

[boreal garnet]

You mean NA server vs lvg

[proud holly]

I mean if people want to cheat, they can cheat. But why make it easier for them lol

[orchid spear]

It’s not making it easier because it is already easy. If anything it evens the playing field between a team that’s cheating and one that isn’t by giving the subs of the fair playing team the ability to help with coms and micro management’s.

[fair drift]

A great way to make it so people can't cheat is to bring them all together in one place and have them play on a local server against each other

[chilly hemlock]

Like fly a team from each server to said mutual location on a closed server that one might say is… offline?👀

[hardy delta]

Streaming the game to players on your own team is cheating? Interesting

Streaming to people outside the team doesn’t even fit into players ON the team watching the games. It’s just a completely separate topic altogether

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[young cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372

[silver kiln]

I was talking about consistent performing players not people like you use your own legs before speaking sir

And again, for the third time, I was just trying to help the guy, I didn’t even say his suggestion was stupid or bad, I literally didn’t make a single comment about it, Idk why you’re speaking to me as if I did

[hardy delta]

“There’s a reason there isn’t spectators. It shouldn’t be hard to think of why”
Your tone and message reads as dismissive as if you know the reasons why spectators aren’t allowed for a team. I’d love to know what is so easy to think about as to why there shouldn’t be spectators through t4🤷 (it’s rather counterintuitive to have PYS spectators and then no spectators after)

the best point is offlines and we haven’t had one of those in 6 years

[young cedar]

For REAL

Off topic, do you get the tourney role for 500 Tournament BATTLES or WINS?

Update: nvm I saw pinned

[boreal garnet]

😂

[hardy delta]

We are talking about streaming games to your own team, you know the 3 subs on the team? It’s ok bro I know you hold your grudges for a long time when you weren’t up to par!

[proud holly]

@group

[boreal garnet]

Why are you being so defensive? I just sent an emoji 🦖

[hardy delta]

Defensive? I’m just trying to keep the convo about streams on the topic at hand (3 spectators in tournaments) as what was brought up has no correlation whatsoever to it 😂😂 it’s ok massivo i know you’re still hurting bro it’s time to let it go it’s just a game after all

[orchid spear]

Here look at a cool place instead

[indigo edge]

And 3 spectators in training rooms too please

[silver kiln]

Wah wah wah

[median lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[gilded marsh]

@grxup @ancient shard yo what’s he talking abt

[orchid spear]

Must’ve been the wind

[orchid spear]

Which box to I open

[ancient shard]

lowkey no clue

[orchid spear]

Opened the one in the back

[flint venture]

d

[smoky wave]

💀

[earnest crane]

Day 606 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[stone vector]

Why are we talking about spectator spots when wargaming doesnt even allow 3 people to spectate training rooms. Plus it's so useless lwk like no one cares about this we are talking about making tournaments a bigger topic on the community, not making the tournament players life easier. Improving comp for comp players is one thing, but improving comp to casual players is a totally different topic.

[proud holly]

Doesn’t hurt to throw around the idea of something that could be universally beneficial (unless it isn’t).

[thorny carbon]

This chat has been yapping for like a whole week about specs like it’s the biggest issue we have to overcome

[split cosmos]

[stone vector]

Except it does because wg might think it's something that is considered as a priority when it is NOT one at all.
First things first you focus on getting players in the comp scene, only then after you potentially did a good job at performing a miracle at reviving this currently boring and dull game you start making comp better for comp players making these type of changes of spectators and stuff.

[grizzled obsidian]

DEFINITIVE SOLUTION TO ATTRACT NEW PLAYERS TO COMP SCENE

[barren imp]

you heard it here first guys, sharing ideas is bad

[hardy delta]

Me when people use tourney discussion to speak about tourneys: 😡

[elder sundial]

a whole week without u and drrekt going at it 🥀

[thorny carbon]

My bet is that he might be the author of the message above your own

[grizzled obsidian]

This game's tournament scene is dying, unable to complete 8 groups in an Arena Competition. Even with these ridiculous numbers of players competing, Wargaming doesn't implement these basic things (matchmaking and voice chat in quick tournament battles) to attract new players to the scene. The passivity in the face of the game's imminent death of the competitive scene is shocking.

[proud holly]

“First things first you focus on getting players in the comp scene”

Yeah what’s next, is water wet too 🥱

[brave pawn]

Tbh it would need more advertising, I bet 80% of players just click the battle button and just drive and shoot. The remaining 20% already know about tournaments.

There needs to be a greater interest for general player improvement and tournament participation; most people just play to play. There is nothing wrong with that but if you want to improve the game’s activity they need to convince or change the mindset of the general game population.

[grizzled obsidian]

Yes, the advertising issue is valid, but how can a player find this game more fun than Free Fire or Call of Duty if they make friends in those other games, but in World of Tanks Blitz they have ZERO SOCIAL INTERACTION? My sister met her husband through the Free Fire voice chat (a mobile game with simple graphics but high social interaction and competitiveness), and I'm not kidding. The point isn't just to attract players, but to KEEP THEM in a game without competitiveness and interaction. You can bring millions of players with advertising, but no one will play alone without coordination and team purpose when they can play games with interaction like Roblox, Free Fire and so on, advertising needs to be focused on teenagers, and for them the voice chat is a mandatory standard to evaluate a game as a fun game.

[grizzled obsidian]

Let's go to the metrics of last Arena Competition

Average players online in Arena Competition time: 4000
Players competing in Arena: about 240

Literally 6% of online players of the server

94% OF PLAYERS ONLINE WASN'T ABLE TO PLAY A TOURNAMENT EVEN WITH GOOD REWARDS

Implement an extended platoon up to 7 players (3 players that already know each other can be completed with 4 randoms) in quick tournaments and in-game voice chat for these matches would literally increase players' interest in tournaments like Arena and Seasons

[hardy delta]

This lowkey might be more performative than a matcha drinking, wired earbuds, feminist literature enjoying male

@grizzled obsidian if I had to guess I don’t think many games get above 5% total player population playing tournaments

[proud holly]

Beabadoobee lowkey gas tho

[silver kiln]

Maybe a tournament stats tab could be cool, cause a lot of pub players who actually have a brain and could maybe get into comp and make a positive difference are those who care about their pub stats, but that’s all they care about so they don’t play comp

As for what it would track Idk

[chilly hemlock]

The average player is 48% and presumably rather casual. Most people don’t care past “pow pow boom”

[grizzled obsidian]

The percentage of CS-2 and Free Fire online players who are playing competitive matches with voice chat as a team is over 90% (data from Leetify and HLTV). Few CS-2 or Garena Free Fire players open the game to play a deathmatch or any game mode without social interaction. In the World of Tanks Blitz universe, this would mean something like 3,600 players or 400 teams playing against each other simultaneously, a 1400% increase in the competitive player base compared to current numbers.

[proud holly]

not sure if the pipeline from pubs to comp is that direct

[chilly hemlock]

What would you think of a progressive avatar for tournaments? 5 battle wins, 25, 50, 100 etc

[barren imp]

there already is one, goes all the way up to 1500

[chilly hemlock]

Welp

Back to tanks or camos

[silver kiln]

I know it wouldn’t attract new players, but it could keep them in it, it’s just a small incentive to keep people playing, normally most blitz players have a pretty big ego regardless of their skill level, they wouldn’t wanna see a winrate of 0.000001% in their tournament history I’m sure

[hardy delta]

Is that “tournaments” or a “ranked mode” many players play the ranked mode of what is usually casual, not as many play the tournaments. You’re telling me of the 1.5million cs players at a usual time 1.35million are playing their tournaments?

[grizzled obsidian]

Could you tell me what percentage of World of Tanks Blitz players have experience playing in a coordinated team using voice chat? (I'd guess that less than 5% of the player base has this experience). In Garena Free Fire, that number is over 90%, precisely because voice chat is built-in and the matchmaking system automatically fills teams with random players for competitive matches. Basically, while in a game like Garena Free Fire, a new player participates in team-versus-team battles just as a professional player participates in tournaments, in World of Tanks Blitz, newcomers play a "every man for himself" game with no coordination or social interaction whatsoever. In short, in World of Tanks Blitz, the vast majority of players never experience competitiveness and social interaction, which kills the desire for newcomers to continue playing because the game is boring, and this is clear in the numbers. While Garena Free Fire is focused on continuing to generate social interaction with basic graphics accessible to everyone, Wargaming is concerned with gun marks and graphical improvements in Reforged.

[silver kiln]

Your idea is flawed in one big way that wargaming would have to revamp their entire tournament system to create a new matchmaking version, which could be far slower, and unpredictable times for teams scheduled to fight, they lose a lot more than they really gain, at least in the short term, and you have to understand that this company only cares about short term gains as of right now, that’s what their strategy seems to reflect

I do agree that community matters a lot more than Wargaming thinks it does though

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm not saying they're playing in tournaments, but they're playing the same way as in tournaments: with competitiveness, voice chat, and team coordination. If I queue for a CS:2 match right now, I'll find a team willing to cooperate over voice chat. We all want to win, and to do that, we use the same in-game resources that a tournament player uses.
In World of Tanks Blitz, playing a tournament-style match using only in-game resources is impossible. In games like CS:2 and Free Fire, it's completely possible. I can have a coordinated experience with voice chat, just like a tournament team, simply by launching the game and clicking "play." I don't need external tools or a pre-made team, which is a requirement in WoTB.
@silver kiln No, they don't need to rework the entire tournament system to let newcomers try quick tournaments. We already have extended platoons for special modes. Wargaming just needs to create a "special mode" called 'Tournament' and extend the platoon size to 7.
This approach has no obvious flaws and would be extremely easy to implement; it's just another special mode. The official seasons could stay the same, with pre-made teams. Meanwhile, a "Quick Tournament" mode could attract new players to the competitive scene, and to attract them, we need to make it as easy as possible.

[barren imp]

to be fair they are overhauling the entire game as we speak, so in the entire history of blitz this is the best time to ask for large changes

[silver kiln]

Ok that makes sense 👍

[brave pawn]

Well tbh even the ppl who just play for pub stats contribute something to the game. If I were in charge I would try to influence the players who just play for fun to try and aim for either good pub stats or competitive tournament play.

[split cosmos]

oh god

[brave pawn]

I don’t really see voice chat working in this game too well.

1. It is an implementation that will result in lower end devices to suffer.
2. Your view of how this system will work is idealistic; you are going to assume that all players will agree with each other and will know how to communicate and make a strategy together. This is far from what actually happens.
3. Voice chat would promote toxicity in this game, if someone would make a mistake they would probably get clowned on their whole team, the community is just that brutal. Ego is another problem, on WoT PC their 7v7 mode has voice chat and basically either you listen to the highest rank player or the whole team just plays independently. Players will think they know it all and it’ll cause conflict.
4. Smaller issue: language barriers

I love the idea for voice chat but the current state of the game it don’t see it working. I think they need to either bring in new players (increase the tournament prize pool and promote it) or help the current population to be more involved and improve. Voice chat and in-game stratsketch then can be added once the potential issues will become less likely due to an increased competent player population.

[barren imp]

IMO that's a bit backwards, a vc is exactly how you bring in new players & help them to improve

also as for toxicity that's something literally every vc game has dealt with so a non-issue IMO

[hardy delta]

I’m struggling to see how your “special modes tournament button” is any different from loading up a ranked match. Playing in the same way is not equivalent to tournaments, you are suggesting the ability to make a full or partial stack for a self proclaimed “tournaments tab” but that is what you can do for ranked in every other video game with a team and ranked system.

The voice chat feature is definitely something tournaments would benefit from and a rehauled ranked mode would definitely help keep players interested and possibly turn some more players to a more organized system which would be tournaments

And again the ranked population is always going to be higher than the tournament population for a game so at best I’d imagine you might get 10% of the total population as tournament population so that 3600 player metric is just wildly false

[proud holly]

He’s prob just talking about making the “path” that leads to players joining QT teams and etc more accessible, since the main button for that is shoved to the side of the UI whilst the other modes are rightttt next to the play button.

The ratio for tournament:ranked:casual players does appear commensurate with other MMO games though.

[pearl urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[proud holly]

Yo proxy chat after someone dies

[chilly hemlock]

Ah yes. The average player loves being told what to do in text, I’m sure telling them over voice will be much better

[proud holly]

Text is easier to misinterpret and slower to deliver. With voice you can just go “yo let’s kill [person]” and be on with it.

Also I think most backlash from people being told what to do, comes from when the people telling you what to do are already dead or did nothing to contribute to the game aside from dying early.

At least with VC you can maybe toggle a “deafen” function on someone. Or just prevent someone from speaking if they’re dead lol

[chilly hemlock]

It could be

I’d be curious to see how it goes. My experience was that it’s just as likely for chat to be helpful as unhelpful and I’d rather hear my platoon mate at all times without interruption of other players. I’d like to see this in a beta and see how it goes

[thorny carbon]

Lowkey in the camp of voice chat would be horrendous

[chilly hemlock]

I personally envision Xbox live 2.0

I’ll give you this, voice chat team only in rating and clan tournament battles would have a much better shot

Random battles/quick tournaments I’d be more skeptical of

[thorny carbon]

Voice chat is awful on wotpc and most of the time you need a voice chat you’re already on discord with your homies.

Team chat is 90% of the time insults or backseat gaming on blitz. So I’m not sure why a mobile game (mainly) would need to have a vc.

Also you need to be seriously delulu to think wg will give us voice chat after they took out successively global chat then team chat after you die.

[proud holly]

My original idea was to make it easier for people to join this discord. More visible in the garage and etc

[scarlet sleet]

@boreal garnet because elev is known for it

[chilly hemlock]

They also just got rid of text chat for players under 13 iirc

@n.z. They should do a discord exclusive camo

[gilded marsh]

@grxup?

[scarlet sleet]

Facts ! Thank you 💪 🔥

[scarlet sleet]

Your on elev ? You really want me to expose your team ? /caller ? Enough is said when the name elev popps up behind your name while your also pushing for specs like atomic said its easy to cheat with or without specs cheaters still will find a way and mystican is good for it when i was in cease we went up against evony elev was done playing and bro was callin for evony mystican in evony vc while playing us . Calling for 2 teams ? Isnt that illegal for tourneys ? Bc the spec was streaming 🤣 you asked and boom there ya go idc what excuse you nor your caller makes ive heard it and seen it multiple times 🤣 🤣 🤣 💯 💪 wouldnt be suprised if it hasnt been happening for a while

[thorny carbon]

[pale finch]

👨🏿‍🦯‍➡️

[hardy delta]

Chat can someone explain how that answers the question

@scarlet sleet Are you talking about a scrim or something? You’re on 0 Cease teams that ever played against evony 🤔

[silver kiln]

Tbh, in most of my pub games when I try to convey what I want my teammates to do in a nice manner, they normally work with me, of course there’s those who don’t because they can’t even speak English but oh well

[scarlet sleet]

Fr ! they need to Bring back the latin server . And @hardy delta ooop i thought it was evony but i know for a fact he did call for evony and elev and he also was making calls for one of the teams we faced that blitzmasters tourney

[barren imp]

i like tournaments

[boreal garnet]

Did you left us? 😔

[silver kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233825611173073037/1380055734376599552/attachment.gif

[scarlet sleet]

Like i said i know whats up ive seen and heard i dont need any excuses 🤪 im not the only one that can say it . And mysty please read my last message after mistas comment lol yall right i coulda sworn we played them it was a while ago so i thought wrong 🤣 but ik it was a team we played in that blitzmasters 100% @rocky crystal

[grizzled obsidian]

I've already literally refuted every argument you've made here in text and video, but I can refute them again for those who haven't seen it before.

1. Voice chat doesn't impact performance because the dedicated in-game voice server is usually run by third-party companies that optimize and compress data. That's why Free Fire and Roblox run on any cheap phone with in-game voice chat.
2. I'm not talking about the world as it should be; everything I've said so far is based on reality, on the world as it is. That's why I'm giving real-world examples. The reality is that in other games, there's constant cooperation. And I'm saying this as someone who's played with Spanish, English, and Portuguese speakers from different regions. It's not just based on my anecdotal evidence; it's a fact that social interaction for coordination in these games is almost always positive.
3. Toxicity is rare in games with social interaction, and it's not a problem if you can mute the toxic player.
4. A language pre-selection button solves this, you don't need to be a genius to understand this. I suggest watching the videos that Korah Korah and I posted here.

[young cedar]

I’m late to the party but man this would be satisfying for all the full HP ammo racks we pull off in games

[thorny carbon]

Flame322 clip from back then goes hard

[proud holly]

Toxicity is NOT rare 😭

[hardy delta]

Thanks for the free win ✌️

[grizzled obsidian]

It's no different from the way you enter a ranked or public match, that's why it's so easy to implement.

Yes, it's equivalent. There's team cooperation, the possibility of joint tactics, and voice chat. Fundamentals like focus fire, HP sharing, and coordinating base captures can be coordinated through this voice chat.
It's literally the same, the only difference being the context. But even in this regard, new talent can be discovered through the networking generated by this type of matchmaking when a tournament player encounters a random standout player.
In short, the game is played EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AND WITH THE SAME RESOURCES; the only difference is the prize pool.

@n.z. @past ether Arguing against in-game voice chat (VC) because of toxicity ignores the simple solution used by the entire industry: the mute button.
If one player is toxic, you mute them. The problem is instantly solved.
The real toxicity in Blitz isn't a single player you can mute. The real toxicity is the frustration of losing streaks and watching the team collapse simply because we lack the basic tools to coordinate. We are forced to play a 7v7 team game like a silent, uncoordinated deathmatch, which is why games like Free Fire and CS-2 thrive on the teamwork that VC enables.

[lime star]

Not reading that

[orchid spear]

🇨🇳

[brave pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[full nymph]

holy yap

[boreal garnet]

1. Not true
2. Doesn’t matter what players will do it’s made to change game not players
3. Promote toxicity? All games are toxic, as voice chat also text chat. Again it’s not about what players may do, but a new mechanic to help in game
4. For three times you are telling about what players individually may think

obs. Do you think replays are important? Of course, right? Then would you agree replays shouldn’t be in game since most players don’t care? No

[full nymph]

holy yap x2 also your rebuttals aren't even rebuttals like you aren't even disproving any of his points. refusing to acknowledge the fundamental point of it needing moderation instantly makes your 'rebuttal' worthless like you're just automatically wrong when you pretend as though it wouldn't require moderation

[boreal garnet]

When I said it doesn’t need moderation? You are reading what you want lol

[full nymph]

You literally responded to points 2 and 3 with oh well teehee players are toxic deal with it and let's focus on the positives instead as though moderation isn't literally the crux issue and the hassle of moderating chat alone didn't cause it to get removed on some of the servers

[proud holly]

I did mention that you can add a toggle to deafen button, or something to where you can’t speak if you’re dead

[boreal garnet]

Moderation is a must not a discussion

[full nymph]

which again is why you have to address why they would take on more moderation when they have literally removed chat to avoid the issue of moderation

[boreal garnet]

You know things in the world can change, right? I hope you do I wonder why you are yapping so much, but there’s no point talking. Have a nice night buddy

[grizzled obsidian]

It's curious how some people are afraid of telling bad players that they are bad and need to improve. Feedback (whether polite or harsh) often motivates competitive people to get better, even if it's just out of anger from what they heard.
If someone calls you 'stupid' [for a bad play] and you are truly competitive, you strive to improve. You can hate the person who said it, but you can't say they are lying when the result speaks for itself.
There's no middle ground. Either Wargaming continues what it's doing (coddling bad players, hiding that they need to improve their fundamentals) or it brings true competitiveness through matchmaking with voice chat, so they can finally learn fundamentals like focus fire, HP sharing, and rotations.
If a bad player is going to get frustrated with someone calling them out, they should play offline games. If they play any other online game, mobile or not, they will find voice chat and competitiveness. Racism and insults already happen in text chat, where you often can't even mute a specific player. So you're not actually preventing toxicity, you're just preventing efficient coordination.

[full nymph]

cope

[proud holly]

It appears that the way a message is delivered can have very different reactions

[silver kiln]

1. Not true
2. Not true
3. Not true
4. Not true

[boreal garnet]

Tonight is the night

[full nymph]

🤓 ☝️

[smoky wave]

1. Not true
2. True
3. True
4. True

[floral laurel]

Your pub buddies know you, random WoTB players don't. This only may work if there's more time before battles to get to know the teammates and if winrate and battle count are displayed prominently in the table of players.

[silver kiln]

Not really I’m talking about randoms, I did say they don’t always work together but, more than half the time they’re at least open to ideas, whether they would be that agreeable with everybody I don’t know. I understand for the average player certain clan tags or good players they recognize they might be more inclined to listen to. So perhaps like you said, for players on a similar level it might not work.

[floral laurel]

Ok, but the point is, others will be more open to suggestions if they believe you know what you're talking about. That level of authority has to be established first. It could help if the matchmaker ranked players according to their experience and success rate. But, yeah, as you said, if there's two players with similar merits and big egos, they will clash. This could lead to a shouting match.

[earnest crane]

Day 607 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[floral laurel]

Attention please, proponents of unlimited freedom of speech in game chat: To call other people stupid is a legally regulated insult in many, probably all European countries and can get you into trouble. Here in Germany, a typical fine would be 500 Euros. Such brazen mobbing ain't tolerable, period. Apart from that, the whole idea is psychologically misguided, will only lead to tensions within the team. This ain't a productive way of improving teamwork!

[waxen otter]

Games lose a bit of their soul when u can't see people raging anymore because chats get disabled. These chats made the games popular in the first place. What makes CS 2 so successful? The voice chat. The funny clips u see. Because the game itself isn't that unique anymore there are many similiar games. On the one hand we talk about happy happy happy playing. But this is not happy playing. This game is made for competition. With competition comes emotion and also some raging players but it is fun to troll them. Now. Who am I able to troll? Noone. Because there is not even the possibility. Everyone knows I am right and this is a fact and the only correct "opinion". Opinion is wrong because it is a fact but i don't know another word.

[young cedar]

I like quick coins

[grizzled obsidian]

For those who defend full free speech in game chats like World of Tanks Blitz, comparing it to elite football in Germany is a total reality check about what "pressure" and "insult" really mean. U mentioned that calling someone "stupid" (or something like that) is an insult that can get you a fine in Germany, around 500 Euros. Now, contrast that fine with the public hell a footballer goes through after a huge mistake in a German stadium, like Oliver Kahn in 2002 or Manuel Neuer at Euro 2024: if u want to know what it is to be "crucified" for a competitive mistake, just look at them. The mistake wasn't seen by 10 or 15 random players, but by millions of fans across the country and the world. The criticism isn't a 10-second insult in a chat; it's being on the front page of the biggest German newspapers for weeks, TV headlines, and the public questioning of his entire career and legacy, where the player is labeled as the reason for the national loss. The mistake costs titles, millions of Euros in prizes and sponsorships, and leaves a stain on a multimillion-dollar career. For the goalkeeper, the mistake becomes the negative peak of his story, something he will never forget. The reality is that the World of Tanks Blitz environment is, in comparison, a "safe space" for dealing with frustration. If a football player can handle being insulted and ridiculed by his own country, with devastating professional and emotional consequences, the idea that a WoT Blitz player can't deal with an insult from a random guy in the chat — which has no real impact on their life or career — becomes a weak and kinda ridiculous argument

[waxen otter]

This is not football. I mean we do not run around insulting randomly. There has to be a reason.

[grizzled obsidian]

CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMEONE'S PSYCHE BEING COMPLETELY SHATTERED BECAUSE A RANDOM STRANGER, WHO DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THEM, INSULTS THEM OVER A MISTAKE IN A ONLINE GAME? 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫 😫

[waxen otter]

No why would you care. Many people insulted me in the past. downright hated me for things i didnt do. In WoTB. Now. I am still here. Where are they? They left blitz. I countered their hate with trolling and provocating them. They couldn't comprehend their loss and now are poof gone

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-vladimir-putin-russian-walking-gif-17506944

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm not talking about you, but about those guys who live in a fairy tale world, expecting to have competition with no possibility of insults and frustration when they lose. That is the most naive thing I have ever seen in my life! It's the same current thinking as Wargaming, basically, "play alone, lose silently, and find that fun while all the current successful games do exactly the opposite, but hey, stick around, don't let our game, which is losing players, losing to those games with social interaction." It is of gigantic naiveté to think anyone finds that fun or competitive. The numbers don't lie. I'm still doing you a favor by coming here to give suggestions. In real life, in anything you undertake collectively where, in the end, you might walk away with a win or a loss, there's coordination, frustration or joy, and eventually insults because you messed up. Not dealing with the inevitable (and I don't even think that's a problem) and watching the game die is the most childish and idealistic decision you can make.

[young cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-aint-reading-all-that-im-happy-for-u-tho-or-sorry-that-happened-im-happy-for-you-thought-or-sorry-that-happened-gif-16532884834168127420

[full nymph]

insane yap but thinking games will suddenly give up on moderation and open themselves to liability is ridiculous

[barren imp]

it's not ridiculous, if WG is trying to make the game more mainstream then they need to add more mainstream features

[grizzled obsidian]

Who even mentioned getting rid of moderation? I'm saying that failing to implement something essential because of occasional violations is like refusing to treat a terminal disease (a lack of social interaction, competitiveness, and coordination) just because the medicine that cures all of it has a headache as a side effect. Every single time, you come here talking about trivial, irrelevant things that no one brought up, like, "we need moderation." You're serious that we need moderation? No way! What a profound insight, what a true genius we have among us.

[proud holly]

WG can always add new community based features + add the needed moderation systems to keep them safe, assuming they actually have the resources and incentive

Unless they’re just looking for minimal fixes which again I’d just refer to having a new garage UI

[young cedar]

Can’t wait to play quick coins tonight! Really trying to purchase an IS-6 Fearless and Lorraine Fearless before reforged hits!!

[grizzled obsidian]

Bro, it's not a public scrutiny where people insult you in a stadium, it's a random stranger who got frustrated because he lost and blames you. This is common in all games, just do like @waxen otter (persist and improve). You and another guys talk about moderation as if social interaction had to be perfect and monitored at all times. In the real world these occasional insults and demands are common and totally socially tolerable in all competitive sports. Remember that in online games, you're just an anonymous and random nickname. I've never seen so much crying over moderation.If someone's mental health can't handle the occasional, anonymous insult in a game (which is easily mitigated by muting), then perhaps they are simply not ready for the inherent emotional friction of competition and should stick to offline or non-competitive experiences.

[full nymph]

this is cope like you can cry about it all you like but wargaming fully removed chat so clearly they won't be bothered to then add voicechat which is even more of a hassle to moderate

[oblique basin]

Ridder vs Allen tonight buddy get windsstorm to call for it idk if I’ll be online yet

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/bo-nickal-khamzat-chimaev-rdr-reinier-de-ridder-ufc-gif-16511589929092318897

[young cedar]

Dang😭 I’m hoping to get a full night in, 2 tour 4’s in tier 8 and 2 tour 4’s in tier 10… I need that 2500 coin!

[grizzled obsidian]

That must be why a game with hundreds of millions of downloads like World of Tanks Blitz can't even muster an average of 20,000 players online simultaneously across ALL SERVERS, while games like Roblox, PUBG Mobile, Garena Free Fire, Mobile Legends, and COD Mobile are the most popular and profitable for a reason, which is obvious and seems neither you nor Wargaming understand. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm here to tell you that Wargaming's decision to lack social interaction and coordinated competitiveness is the main reason the game is dying. "But they don't even have text chat on some servers." > I'm criticizing this and proposing a radical change in approach. If I draw it out, will it be easier for you to understand?
Don't want social interaction (good or bad)? Play this game. 🙂

[molten sapphire]

just FYI, WOT PC have voice chat for the Onslaught battles ( 7v7 battles, like Blitz ). If someone is being aggressive towards you, you just report the person and block him, so he will be muted for you. In WoT PC there are almost no issue with voice coms. Blitz should have VC by default too, cuz its 7v7. If you dont like someone just mute/report him 🤓☝️

[full nymph]

league of legends doesn't even have voice chat w/ randoms so attributing it to soley voice chat out of the many issues with the game is ridiculous

[grizzled obsidian]

Now u are spreading false information, League of Legends Mobile (Wild Rift) does have voice chat and the PC version has voice chat in-game for friends and open groups

[full nymph]

reading is hard! I said with randoms, like you propose for blitz. Both league and the mobile version have teh equivalent of platoon voicechat not full voicechat with random teammates. gj speedrunning being wrong tho

[young cedar]

Especially when all it takes is for you to type something thoughtful mid game… and then “Player_0826482” spams “Affirmative!” “Help!” “Attack!” All within 0.2 milliseconds and your message gets pushed out of screen… just in time for the battle to start!

And then when you go to retype it, you are sitting duck in spawn when you should be 20 seconds closer to the battle! Proxy voice even in platoons is critical to add ngl

[proud holly]

im literally adding to this guy's idea for vc by adding something that could address general concerns, but all im getting from his rants is "deal with it lol it happens in all these other games, look at this screenshot"

[grizzled obsidian]

I literally said "friends and open groups", and I don't mentioned LoL but Mobile Legends (which is more popular than LoL Mobile).

[brave pawn]

Yeah but like in both wot pc and wot blitz the player base would either not use communication features because they don’t care about trying and just play for fun or they will think they are too good to communicate. Like there is not enough people wanting to improve to where I think this idea can be positive. I’d rather see giving the playerbase more incentive on grinding a random battles and tournaments.

[young cedar]

Idk I’ve bounced to a few teams for tournaments and the team lead would send me a discord link to hop in VC bc I wasn’t in their clan to begin with. Would be great to at least have the option available. It’ll be useful unlike Nintendo Switch 2 having to pay for poor video/audio quality calls and forced to use discord. Def manageable in blitz. Just toggle-to-mute & toggle-Voice-off would be all anyone needs

[barren imp]

reading is hard, you are mischaracterizing his argument because he has never proposed it for randoms at all, just tournaments

[quick robin]

guys it’s not that deep

[full nymph]

No actually it was for randoms, stop pretending the argument changed just because it was never specified juts given by heavy context clues. Nobody was saying lack of communication with platoonmates/teammates in tournaments was an issue because they just discord call anyway the argument was always the random teammates who just wander off

[grizzled obsidian]

You and others are saying we need moderation, as if that weren't already obvious, tautological, trivial. Wargaming doesn't need to hire more staff or implement more vigilant moderation just because of voice chat. Rather than contributing to the idea of ​​implementation, you and others are making it sound like it requires an effort of omniscient vigilance. @brave pawn We are proposing the creation of matchmaking for competitive and tournament matches with voice chat. If someone is willing to play competitive or tournament matches, it means they want to improve. We just want to provide coordination tools like voice chat and broke the barrier to entry to randoms in battles of this type. PUBS STAY THE SAME.

[proud holly]

i never mentioned anything about omniscient vigilance lol

[brave pawn]

@grizzled obsidian I mean tbh tournaments are just a glorified randoms mode for the average player, that’s why they don’t play them. Why wait to play a game with a group of people that might not even want to try and win and/or communicate, might go afk or call you an insult when you can just insta queue a randoms and not have these issues. The rewards are rarely worth it either.

You are guys are not realizing that the average player (49%er or less atp) doesn’t care about any sort of improvement or communication in the game.

Voice chat in game would suit players above this category who are willing to improve, but about 90% already use discord.

I want to state this again that I am in support of this idea to add voice chat but the targeted group that needs it wouldn’t even use it properly or at all. Hence why I would rather see something that would actually make them want to try and improve.

[grizzled obsidian]

I made two videos, @toxic lintel made one video, WE'VE ALL BEEN SAYING FROM THE BEGINNING ABOUT LOWERING THE BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR RANDOMS AND NEWCOMERS TO THE **TOURNAMENT/COMPETITIVE **SCENE AND POSSIBILITATE THEM TO UNDERSTAND FUNDAMENTALS OF A TEAMPLAY, WE'RE ALL ANSWERING @opaque heart QUESTION. You come here without understanding the context at all and bring outdated arguments, beating up a straw man, that tires anyone out. 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

[peak abyss]

Chill out with the caps please. We understand plain text as well

[grizzled obsidian]

With all due respect, you're making a childish logical error: begging the question. You are putting a hypothetical, general desire (the desire to remain a bad player) as the cause of a problem, when these bad players are not even given the possibility to improve their teamplay fundamentals like focus fire, rotation, HP sharing, and so on.
The reason they are bad is not some hypothetical desire to stay bad, but because they lack the tools to improve, among which, the most mandatory tool for playing as a team is voice chat.

Grumble among yourselves. I, Korah, 34, Pyroblast, and so many others are responding to Tolyan and talking about the inevitability of these tools to create a competitive and coordinated environment that fosters some sense of teamwork in this game. I'm tired of countering arguments from people who have nothing to contribute, some of u are here only to create false difficulties. I'm out.

[quaint gorge]

Well said man

[molten sapphire]

In fact the Voice Chat helps a lot on Onslaught. I can tell what I wanna do in the battle, and the other players will know, and in a lot of times, they help or get positions that me or another decent/good player says. I always talk on Onslaught and even if 6 teammates doesn't, they understand my plans and almost always try to help. Even the Bronze and Iron players tries to help, even if they are not very good. And we can easily ask for help or a push. If theres no VC, like in Blitz, we need to type a message, lose time and hope they see the message and help. With VC, it's very faster, intuitive and better at all. Also, if you are good enough, you can even try to do a mini-call for the team. Impossible with text chat. VC will open new possibilities to WoTB, like it did on Onslaught

[toxic lintel]

I proposed voice chat for tournament game mode only, maybe also ratings. I’m randoms ofc will be abused but basically everything said above here by @grizzled obsidian is absolutely true. Voice chat is a huge tool that is used to improve people at the game. Everytime I’m playing a new game and there’s something I can’t figure out if there’s a voice chat I ask it there and usually helps me understand it in few seconds. If I was new player in blitz and didn’t understand how provisions worked it would be a 2 second question in a voice chat in competitive mode and I would have learned something that takes average players thousands of battles in few seconds

[brave pawn]

I’ll keep it short:

-Voice chat is a feature that would favor players already interested in competitive (rich get richer).
-If your goal is to make tournaments more popular, this feature would get SOME people interested.
-In my opinion there are better ways to get more attention and that should take priority for tournaments, such as making them feel more rewarding, the random tournament matchmaker idea, and advertising.
-Voice chat is an idea that should be implemented but it is relatively useless without other changes.

[barren imp]

it would lower the barrier of entry into tournaments, because at the moment it's extremely difficult to enter the scene successfully. without knowing a full team of players and having access to the community, it's very difficult to do well & that makes retention lower

[grizzled obsidian]

You're not bringing anything new, I've already said all this before here in the chat and made two videos about it, so I've been saying for a long time that one thing doesn't exclude the other. There is no better way than the other, things are complementary, but there are mandatory things even to bring players who are already casual, and the main mandatory one is voice chat.

Watch my and Korah's videos, we've been talking about the same thing for weeks, save my time, your time and everyone's time

[thorny carbon]

Not to be rude but the world doesn’t revolved around your opinion dude

[floral laurel]

Your nonsensical argument about football evades the critical point: It's illegal to insult other people, no exceptions for game chats, but you defend and even encourage such mobbing. As if anyone deserves to be namecalled for having made a mistake in a match! Also, your comparison to football doesn't fit: This ain't about a fan yelling at the screen when a top player makes a mistake, this is about a player claiming it's ok to insult his teammates for performance flaws. No, it isn't, and no trainer will accept such toxic behaviour that only disrupts teamplay! So, voice chat in random tournaments may be a good idea, but only if a reasonable level of communication is enforced. Offenders have to be banned.

[pearl jetty]

Bring back twisters, end of discussion

[brave pawn]

Lol at first I was literally just mentioning other features that would require voice chat to be better, not saying your idea was wrong. You started getting upset for no reason. We’ve been in agreement the whole time 💀

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm in the real world, and I've never advocated or encouraged bullying of any kind. I've said it's a side effect. When I give you a medication (anti-allergy medication/voice chat) for a problem (allergies/lack of coordination and team spirit in-game) and you experience side effects (headaches/toxic players), I'm not encouraging or defending the headache; I'm trying to get rid of an allergy. If you haven't been able to understand this even with the videos and extensive texts here, it's really difficult to help you.

About football > It's not a fan screaming on TV, it's the country's main newspapers putting your mistake on their front pages, it's everyone talking about it, millions of people. If you can't stand Random123 occasionally insulting your nickname "lgel62" you just mute him and move on with your life, go play special modes or something offline, don't play competitive matches online anywhere. Nobody even knows or cares who you are in real life, u don't have reasons to cry about an online game random insult.

@brave pawn But I said I agreed with you at the beginning. You just keep extending the discussion by talking about advertising, moderation, and other things, as if that would solve the main problem (the lack of players with the fundamentals of team play). Remember, World of Tanks Blitz has over hundreds of millions of downloads, and the vast majority have abandoned the game. The main issue isn't attracting more people, it's keeping those who already play or have played. No one left because they were offended, but because they saw no social interaction or the ability to have fun playing as a team in this game. I'm tired, for God's sake, don't answer that.

[floral laurel]

With honest respect for your views as a merited expert in e-sports, I agree with you that voice chat is a reasonable addition for random tournaments, like in CS. But there has to be moderation and toxic behaviour like insulting teammates can't be tolerated! Please do not downplay this issue, mobbing is not ok.

[brave pawn]

You seem to not understand what I’m saying but it’s ok. You’ve just repeated what I’ve said for the past 6 messages. We are in agreement and that’s fine 🤝

[young cedar]

Truth. Like no new player to comp scene is gonna know about the NA Scrim server discord nor network to anyone, so they can make an impression by joining a team and doing voice comms and if they vibe they get invited in. Simple just like you said it

[molten sapphire]

WG on PC have a system to ban people who had bad behavior on voicechat. And also, if someone was toxic, just report and block duuuhhh
What a big deal about moderation...
Also, in text chat, theres a lot of racist comments and everything else, but I don't see you talking about it. Seems that the problem is something new coming to the game. And again, Onslaught got a lot of attention from everyone on PC, because they CAN play as a TEAM, with VC. Even if someone doesn't talk, he will LISTEN and in 90% of situations, will try to help. People are taking the 10% situations it doesn't work and thinking that this is the real life, meanwhile, 90% of time the VC helps a lot, not only in WoT, but also in game like Overwatch 2, Valorant... Basically, games that requires TEAM PLAY

[boreal garnet]

Can you please say anything productive? For almost 48 hours I have seen you just lowering other people’s opinions, like what you doing here? Tell us something productive please

[full nymph]

advocating for voice chat but getting butthurt over messages make it make sense 🤔 😂

[barren imp]

the convo is in the tournament discussion which is a pretty big hint towards what the topic was about

[spring gale]

34 stop worrying abt these bums and handle the peak diamond cup w me lecxm and bxb

[floral laurel]

"I'm in the real world, and I've never advocated or encouraged bullying of any kind." Really? Let me cite what you stated upthread: "It's curious how some people are afraid of telling bad players that they are bad and need to improve. ... If someone calls you 'stupid' [for a bad play] and you are truly competitive, you strive to improve. You can hate the person who said it, but you can't say they are lying when the result speaks for itself." Ok, if you did't mean that as defending or encouraging mobbing, please clarify your position. To claim that it's good enough for the victims to be able to mute the offender and let him continue voicing his smears to other people doesn't cut it. Gladly, that's not legal in European countries and even newspapers have to follow the law. There have to be limits and bullies have to be held accountable!

[molten sapphire]

All he said is true. If you did a bad play and get called for it, a comp. player will understand and try to get better even if he hates the other guy. If you are butthut for an anonymous guy calling you bad, you should quit online videogames and go to Psychology

[quaint gorge]

Commie is going to eat u half way up

[full nymph]

buddy they are making an argument for bringing in new players. cultivating a toxic system as an argument for making players want to play is backwards logic

[grizzled obsidian]

I give up. You want to play a tournament competitively and not be reprimanded if you make a mistake that costs the match. Unfortunately, I can't agree with you. That doesn't exist anywhere. Live your fairy world, I don't want to argue with you anymore.

[brave pawn]

Where is Dr Rekt when you need him

[thorny carbon]

WoTB doesn’t have the same target audience as WoT or other PC games.

Why do you think the people in charge of blitz are so hellbent on getting rid of every avenue of toxicity in the game at a detriment to coms and socialising.

Even if you are right and you have valid points it seems you’re ignoring the bigger picture. Which is that blitz team has been actively doing the opposite and I know for a fact that they care a lot about in game toxicity.

[floral laurel]

Right. Also, this was started by KorahKorah's proposal of random tournaments, like in CS (a reasonable idea, imho), and a voice chat added to these. So, this discussion ain't about random standard games nor about the problems with text chats. Some guys, which later joined the debate, seem to be confused about that.

[proud holly]

Brendan Allen

Poor Kyle @oblique basin

[oblique basin]

dober actually won

[molten sapphire]

ANY online game with teammates have toxicity. Blitz have a lot on chats. Why don't you care for this?? I'm seeing an hypocrite behavior here... And once again, the good things about having voice chat will always outweigh the bad ones. Just the fact that you can coordinate plays or focus fire already outweighs the toxicity. It’s the same with text chat — there’s a lot of toxicity, but the positive aspects still outweigh it. It won’t be any different with voice chat.

[floral laurel]

You're right, and Sprint, who made a similar point, too. Indeed, Wargaming has to be concerned about new players quitting the game because of a toxic atmosphere towards newbies and weaker players. To attract new regular players is an economic necessity, or else this game will die. So, to defend or downplay namecalling is rather counterproductive, the bullies and trolls need to be stopped instead.

[full nymph]

It's not like existence vs non-existence because there exists the alternative of teams speaking through discord chat in their clan server. You could argue fostering clan membership as an alternative solution that simultaneously offloads moderation to clan leadership and kills two birds with one stone as clan recruitment is struggling too

[oblique basin]

WTH is going on in this fight 😭 @proud holly

[young cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[molten sapphire]

You didn't answered me. Not all players uses or CAN use Discord. Also when you are talking in discord you are talking to just your platoon, the voicechat would be for everyone on the team

[full nymph]

what players can't use discord but will be looking to be regular vc using tournament players? Also wrong discord is also used for tournament vc.

[floral laurel]

I never said or wrote that reasonable criticism of players should be prohibited, I stated instead that insults go too far and are illegal under many countries' laws. Please don't misrepresent my position.

[upper oar]

im not asking you to name countries, because there's definitely some out there with poor free speech rights, but i don't think the police are going to get involved anywhere because someone was told that they suck at a video game

[grizzled obsidian]

I don't want to talk to you, please don't reply to me anymore. You don't know me. I have a history of fighting racism and other insults in this game, all of them committed via text chat. However, I understand that these are isolated incidents and that tolerating insults is an inevitable side effect of any social interaction without omniscient moderation. If you think hair loss is an unacceptable side effect of chemotherapy and would rather die, that's your point of view, end of discussion. Don't reply to me anymore; for me, the conversation is over.

[upper oar]

i don't get the argument either, its like saying if things aren't perfect, we can't have them

like, i shouldn't even bother to play this game because there's a small chance that some of my matches are unwinnable, outside of my control

could WG put in a vc recording method that stores a finite cache of players' vc conversations on their local device, and if enough players make a report, then the latest conversation could be sent to WG's customer support for review on toxicity? potentially. that's how some games work. i don't think i'd be against that as long as there's an option for players to mute their own microphone whenever they want and the data is not stored permanently by WG

[boreal garnet]

Do you really think new tournaments players or teams made in game who never touched a tournament are thinking about Discord? Why would anyone be toxic to his teammates? As you can see that’s #tourneys-discussion main point here is voice chat for tournaments and possible new tournament UI. People who say fight against toxicity are the most toxic

@upper oar well said

[molten sapphire]

I'm talking about pubs, sorry if you can't understand a text

[full nymph]

Well according to the other players I was wrong for referring to pubs and they were only talking about tournaments 🤦‍♂️

[boreal garnet]

#general-blitz-discussion 🦖

[floral laurel]

"Why would anyone be toxic to his teammates?" It doesn't matter why, there's an abundance of evidence that it often happens in unmoderated game chat. That's why a possible voice chat added to a new mode of random tournaments, as proposed by KorahKorah, would have to be moderated. No big deal, imho, only stubborn foulmouths would oppose this.

[molten sapphire]

I dont know there are people referring to tourneys, others to regulars, but my suggestion is to put VC into tournaments AND pubs, also ranked. Excluding only Gamemodes. Or, maybe, put to Tournaments and Ranked, at least. Also, good point @upper oar . But I think it would be better if the voice appears in replays, and if someone was toxic, anyone on the team can send the replay to WG and report the person in the website. I think this is the way on PC, but I'm not sure cuz I never reported someone there on Onslaught. Also ridiculous this 15 minutes timeout on this channel 💀💀💀💀
Another thing @floral laurel , the toxicity only happens cuz WG allows with this trash report system. On WoT PC, if someone is toxic, rapidly he got a chat ban. I've got chat banned 5 times and my toxicity wasn't even very aggressive. I've learned that on PC, the report system, directly on the WG website, works very well, and so I stopped with any complaints in the chat. If Wot Blitz had an decent report system like PC, this wouldn't be a problem. In PC, I know people who got 30days+ of chat ban because they kept being toxic on battles.

[floral laurel]

Hi nehtzzz, i'm not familiar with some of the slang you longterm players use, so what's "pubs"? Do you mean randoms, the standard matches? I wouldn't like to have to use a headset to play WoTB and I guess I'm not the only one disliking that. I also don't think that's necessary, would create more problems than being helpful. For random tournaments, as proposed by KorahKorah, that's different, in that mode, communication with teammates has a higher importance. I do believe, though, that it has to be implemented in a way that prevents cross talk and limits calls to relevant informations and commands. Also, there has to be moderation, not necessarily in real time, but at least retroactively. What you wrote about the different approach at WoT is relevant, should be implemented at WoTB, too.

[molten sapphire]

YeahYeah cuz a cellphone doesn't have an microphone sure. I'm not discussing more here, I will go back to wot pc, bye. Even if you ping me you wont get any response. Bye all

[floral laurel]

I'm playing on a tablet, with sound setting on minimum, and when playing standard matches, I don't wanna listen to a cacophonia of voices arguing about tactics. There's almost always some jerks in a random team, I don't think that would work out positively. Tournaments are a different issue, of course. That's my opinion, your mileage may vary. Bye.

[barren imp]

"pubs" is short for public battles, same thing as standard matches or "randoms", yes it's all referring to the same thing

[floral laurel]

Thanks, 34, I'll try to memorize that! 👋🙂

[smoky wave]

Can we get a better ranked system (:

[barren imp]

this is tourney discussion btw

[smoky wave]

Do I care?

[barren imp]

cheesy line

[hardy robin]

He wants a better ranked system so he can grind the 20 different accounts he's stolen

[boreal garnet]

It's basically saying we need a policeman inside every single house to prevent anything illegal

[floral laurel]

Nope, it says that in a case of domestic violence, police will come and investigate it.

[ebon cape]

[thorny carbon]

Crazy amounts of miss representing, distorting other´s opinions and flat out being unable to comprehend messages here.

Y’all are just writing walls of texts at each other and either not reading or flat out not understanding them.

[floral laurel]

Some truth to that, I'm afraid. Not a productive debate, too much polarizing. 😕

[earnest crane]

Day 608 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[young cedar]

Had a great time in the quick coins tournament last night!

[silver kiln]

How does voice chat in the game benefit someone like me if I already been using voice chat in discord, it only benefits new players trying to get into comp who don’t even know about discord and the teams that exist, I see plenty of people often asking around how to get into comp, but it’s so hard trying to figure it out on discord and the game on your own they probably give up, I almost did when I started comp

And I started playing comp about a year ago

[brave pawn]

It was in the context of random matchmaking for tournaments. You are more likely to make positive contributions using voice chat than the average player because of your previous experience.

[wicked pasture]

@smoky wave hi will E7 come back

[boreal garnet]

Well said

[smoky elm]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-deadpool-deadpool3-ryan-reynolds-mcu-gif-11540745881539437840

[pearl urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[earnest crane]

Day 609 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[proud holly]

@oblique basin Gane is a coughing baby

[waxen otter]

I would also implement voice chat to randoms or at least ranked.

[brave pawn]

💀 I’m sure that will go well

[proud holly]

Make it like a proxy chat, and make it last only 5 seconds after someone dies

[quick robin]

LMAOO nah that would be crazy

[narrow arrow]

🔥

[grizzled obsidian]

One more day waiting for tournament matchmaking

[hardy delta]

Revamped ratings*

[zealous plank]

💀

[finite raven]

If you ever miss a day I'm going to worried if you are ok. 😉

[earnest crane]

I’ll either be dead, in bed, or running from the feds

[proud holly]

Evading taxes accomplishes all 3 btw

[oblique basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-aspinall-tom-what-would-it-take-tommy-big-tom-gif-11141753975166218001

[maiden flame]

From MLE/Conq Meta to F3 spam to Conq meta ? 👀
What do you think is next meta ?

[young bay]

I guess SQ,mk6 or FV215B I don’t know really but still two good tank , Bc and Russian team 50b tvp push 😂 @maiden flame

[cinder axle]

I was ahead of the curve and always preferred the sconq to the mle

[maiden flame]

Same, but from the selection of tanks we are back as before +-
It’s a bit boring, If you don’t see other tanks after 1 year

[earnest crane]

Day 610 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[hoary rampart]

remove reactive from sconq and hori pls, can we choose the meta ourselves for once instead of choosing whichever thing has reactive? it's getting boring asf.

[small void]

This ⬆️⬆️

[pale finch]

I agree 😁👍

[smoky elm]

60TP, 50B, 215B, some TDs, VK72, & Cheiftain back in meta? Tungsten meta?

[thorny carbon]

Chief still has chief issues and is outclassed by FV for most purposes.
VK is still the same tank, same for TP.

A lot of non-changes this patch, a couple really weird and questionable ones.

Honestly the shell velocity changes are so dumb, difference between apcr and ap doesn’t need to be so drastic.

And yeah get reactive off of hori and sconq. No one wants to play these tanks next patch let alone for another year or so.

[quick robin]

Is4, 777, SConq, 215b, & 116 will prolly still be used. I fixed your list

[smoky elm]

The shell velocity changes are an oddball. I 💯agree with you.

@quick robin Yeah, Hori and S Conq are likely still meta.

[orchid spear]

If they give vk its big HE shell back it would be nice

[pearl urchin]

I think on sconq its balanced because the tank aint that armoured, they should nerf reactive armour itself, and yeah on ho ri i completely agree 💯

[proud holly]

Sconq is NOT balanced brev

[languid axle]

This ^

[lime star]

S conq has the last reactive and big tracks gotta be ragebait Hull down cw meta

[pearl urchin]

The tank's armor is so weak, it doesnt got that much health, easy to pen with HE and slow asf, wdym?

[hollow harbor]

nope, 7 hori XD he still have reactive armor

[grizzled obsidian]

Finally T-100LT is out of meta

[proud holly]

Pnzr spammed the rhm 2 seasons too early lol

[oblique basin]

The rhm being the consumable merchant + getting highest view range is gonna go crazy

[upper oar]

mechanic merchant too

faster unspotting+instant spotting feedback on spotted enemies plus tracer shells is cracked

now that you can put the gun to work, tungsten is not as important (but still really nice). easier to justify super speed or even reticle calibration along with adrenaline

[gilded marsh]

Run back the apx Mayan strat 😮

[grizzled obsidian]

@opaque heartPlease check your DM when you are able. I have sent the comprehensive feedback, which compiles all discussions held here and elsewhere, regarding the query you raised.

The suggestions have been clearly structured and separated into topics. Crucially, they are designed for immediate implementation in the game as they don't necessitate any UI (User Interface) changes.

This represents the most realistic and intelligent compilation of ideas I could gather over the past few days of discussions to provide an immediate and satisfactory response to your request.

[distant forum]

Does anyone know if there will be another szn/off szn fall tournament before rebalance changes come or not? Thanks

[maiden flame]

Probably we haven’t have a bigger tournament before December.

[young bay]

Look like last years for next saison

[earnest crane]

Day 611 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[thorny carbon]

Plz make 116 playable in next meta

[pearl jetty]

👎

[supple quartz]

[lime star]

[river cloak]

Ref do smth

[young bay]

Rage bait

[hardy delta]

Daze is expanding from being a good boy love to see it

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[brave pawn]

Please stop only Dr Rekt is allowed to ragebait

[thorny carbon]

Can we keep the current port bay but without the metal barrier close to B cap?

Thank for your attention to this matter.

[next talon]

Can you shut up please?

Thank for your attention to this matter.

[thorny carbon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742546781300195471/1087918672980484156/output-onlinegiftools.gif

[pearl urchin]

➕

[young bay]

[flint venture]

you guys are chads

[weary vapor]

hello fellow clan war players

[remote basin]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-damage-gif-26047154

[earnest crane]

Day 612 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[smoky elm]

O7. Thank you for your service Sir. Is it possible for this document to be shared with us all too lol?

[boreal garnet]

[silver kiln]

[smoky elm]

Hey Bro, we’re all curious lol.

[silver kiln]

He hasn’t stopped yapping about it for the last month, I think we already know

[proud holly]

There is nothing to be curious about

[thorny carbon]

[grizzled obsidian]

What I discuss with you here is very different from what I discuss with her; with her, I try to bring solutions to the problem that involve minimum technical effort so that they can be implemented more immediately. The specific solution I presented to her I never mentioned here; it came from conversations with newcomers. This specific chat here only generates noise, and it wasn't possible to gain many useful takeaways from it. Many people just dump their opinions about what they would or wouldn't like to see in the game, but they don't explain why their suggestion is reasonable or how it could actually be implemented.

[earnest crane]

@grizzled obsidian I haven't followed everything, and I would like to see the document you sent. I'm a curious type. (I want to know if Twister Offlines was included)

Especially since as you mentioned above, its a compilation of the collective opinion its best we all see it.

[grizzled obsidian]

I collected metrics from the ranked matches and the quick tournament matches and observed that both modes are facing a severe player shortage. I also spoke with broad sectors of players and developers (especially newcomers), influencers, and here with you (without much benefit here), so I proposed the following:

The immediate solution to the problem of low newcomer adoption of the competitive format is the unification (merger) of Quick Tournaments and Rating Battles into a single matchmaking system. This is the only solution that can be implemented in the very next update for technical reasons. Both Rating Battles and Quick Tournaments are currently seeing a decline in player numbers; merging the two will be crucial for saving the game's competitiveness. The Hall of Fame ranking criteria would remain unchanged.
A key unanimous request from both tournament players and newcomers was to include voice chat exclusively in this mode. Essentially, Rating Battles would transition into a Best-of-Three (Bo3) format featuring respawns, a maximum match time of 21 minutes (just as Uprising currently has a maximum time of 9 minutes), and a considerable cooldown between each spawn (30 seconds maybe). This transition requires minimal technical effort, as the respawn mechanic and extended match length are already functional and present in the Uprising mode.
A further proposal, intended for the medium to long term due to necessary UI adaptations, is to expand the squad size to up to 7 players so that full teams can compete against each other. By adopting the immediate solution, all newcomers could play a 'competitive rating' mode using the same format and tools as a Quick Tournament stage, but without the registration bureaucracy. Critically, this can be achieved without altering the game's main UI, thus removing the excuse of implementation difficulties.

[gilded marsh]

how about remove ratings + quick tournaments and hardlock custom rewards behind seasonal tournaments

[earnest crane]

I understand what you are going for here, combining the two "competitive" modes would make it more populated. It would also make it more similar to the WT squadron battles in that you can pull an entire team in for the queue and (I assume) make this mode a particular time of the day.
The only issue I see with this request is a respawn mechanic... while this does sound good on paper, it can actually add to frustration when applied in a competitive mode. On maps that are as small as blitz maps, there will be significant spawn camping and no amount of spawn protection can really counter it.
It would be better (in my professional opinion) to have the mode be a single spawn mode that requires you to pull a full 7-9 man team. This would cut down on time commitment somewhat and more importantly would cut down on player frustration with the mode. Would love to hear a counter to my argument.
The other parts of the suggestion are fine.

[grizzled obsidian]

You misunderstood the concept of 'respawn' in my proposal. I'm not suggesting a mode where you respawn immediately after being destroyed, like in Uprising mode.
Instead, the 'respawn' I'm referring to is the required repositioning of teams—specifically, switching spawn points—between the rounds of a Best-of-3 series played on the same map.
After a team wins or loses a round, the tanks respawn with their team on the opposite side of the map for the next rounds, basically you need to wait for your team to win or lose each of the best of 3 battle to spawn together again. This uses the existing respawn mechanics, existing matchmaking structure, and existing extended battle time to essentially create a quick tournament stage within a single match.

[earnest crane]

That does make alot more sense, thank you for clarifying. Is what you sent above exactly what you sent to Tolyan or is there more to it?

[next talon]

witnissing a rare nego w rn

[grizzled obsidian]

Exactly the same, I sent this as an immediate solution to the problem. It's something that needs to be done as soon as possible. I am in favor of offline tournaments and so many other well-founded ideas that have been presented. But given the current state of affairs, with Rating Battles and Quick Tournaments suffering from a severe player shortage, this is an extremely intelligent solution to rapidly populate the game's competitive scene with new players, using the tools we already have. Regarding voice chat: I have spoken with many developers, and it is something very simple to implement. I even went into technicalities with developers to find out if this reinvidication was unfounded due to complexity issues, and there is unanimity among them that it is quite simple and fast to implement.

[earnest crane]

I like it. Hopefully they listen to what you are suggesting and work on implementing something similar or the same

[smoky elm]

O7.

[vague sleet]

you have no top 4 bro, i’m just gonna flame you for being bad, no vc for your sake ❤️
NEGO MORE LIKE NERD

[grizzled obsidian]

Thank you very much for your contribution, it was very useful for the community

[weary vapor]

common Forgotful W

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/piggy-pig-eats-pig-eating-pigwaith-gif-27009119

[hoary rampart]

good suggestions in the chat fr

[lethal hatch]

Switch 2 has game chat when you press c button on controller or home screen menu.
Good and quick audio and screen share too if wanted

Shame there's no Comms with non switch 2 teammates though

[pearl urchin]

W

[earnest crane]

Day 613 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[wicked pasture]

While I understand what you mean, there’s not much reason to call it a “respawn mechanic”. It’d be assumed you respawn if it’s a bo3.
Regardless, I think it would be beneficial for players to see their teams lineup and also be able to change their tank depending on what they believe their team needs.
Basically, it would be good if you didn’t just respawn in the same tank you played in the game before and there was a small waiting room period which let you change your tank and/or strategise with your team in vc.
Best idea I’ve read here btw as a long time lurker

[elder sundial]

Can we make this camo a cw reward available in certificates like supernova 🥺

[boreal garnet]

👎

[elder sundial]

♀️ 👦

[brave pawn]

.

[boreal garnet]

[grizzled obsidian]

I completely understand that this is necessary, but it would require UI changes, which could be a reason for Wargaming to say they can't implement it, and ultimately shelve the idea forever. Regarding lineup issues: the game's matchmaking already has a forced equivalence of tank classes for both teams, so Wargaming could implement the mechanics you mentioned (and I agree with all of them) to enable tank swapping between spawns in the medium or long term. Simply implementing it as I mentioned (without swapping tanks, just swapping spawns and extending the match time to three battles) would already be a surprising step forward and would bring many newcomers into competitive mode

[orchid spear]

Make the old Undeniable Advantage a cw camo

[elder sundial]

It kinda already is

[silver kiln]

That’s the joke

[orchid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/rigbycat-rigby-cat-tongue-gif-18357263336141773644

[next talon]

your ideas are terrible, please never speak again

[hardy delta]

I like this guy

[next talon]

i like you too

[bold plinth]

😙

[outer isle]

I like 👍🏻

[tropic gulch]

is the profile background ''temporarily to the stars'' permanent or temporary?

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/tuh-buh-guh-cuh-what-gif-9750912507529527670

[lime marsh]

looking for 1 for a 3v3 tier V-VI tourney

[finite raven]

You can post that in #tourneys-team-search

[orchid spear]

Why do u play NA if ur a proud European

[torn onyx]

Temporary

[hardy delta]

He knows ball

[earnest crane]

Day 614 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[weary vapor]

Flame him 🔥

[tropic gulch]

Back in the day you chose your server over flags, and the NA flag looked the coolest back then (imo) therefore I chose NA.

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-strange-mob-gif-12413747667150461911

[tropic gulch]

12year old me chose it

[brave pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-what-huh-confused-kitten-gif-16578675544592554435

[orchid spear]

So u just been playing on high ping the whole time?

[tropic gulch]

jup, still capeable of 60-70wr tho, so it's not too bad with 170-180ping
6years by now Lol

[warm gust]

I'm going to be in a tournament who wants to come my name is chrysotome

[swift crest]

@lapis narwhal

[median lodge]

@lapis narwhal

[earnest crane]

Day 615 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[smoky elm]

^ O7.

[torn willow]

🥀

[narrow arrow]

Cw Meta is very fun yo much variety as well

[supple quartz]

I mean, these guys are doing that in quick tournament too 🥀

[elder dawn]

Anything for 1/20 of a obsolete tank

[lime star]

they still lost against troll setup lmao

[proud holly]

<@&481447501690568709>

[proud holly]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-you-typing-gif-26165186

[upper oar]

👀

[oblique basin]

How do we feel about the 440 alpha + tungsten + reactive on the next WZ 121

[silver kiln]

Sounds ok have fun 👍

[earnest crane]

Day 616 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[smoky elm]

New comp clan on APAC?

[torn willow]

idk

[grizzled obsidian]

#tank-balance-discussion

[proud holly]

It likely will not be tournament meta

[quick robin]

Balright

[mild ibex]

excited to c ur top 8 gameplay next szn 😂

[silver kiln]

👁️

[split cosmos]

😂 that was jonny bones order fr

[oblique basin]

I predicted the poke in a random instagram comment section the day before and the comment is blowing up

[spring gale]

🤱

[vagrant phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-caught-lackin-caught-in-4k-gif-4279831798473706398

[spring gale]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

[earnest crane]

Day 617 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[smoky elm]

O7.

[ebon cape]

get away from the door dog

[stable elbow]

When November calendar 💔

[ashen solar]

what is november

[fierce robin]

✅ radissonfusionn was banned.

[ebon cape]

[brave pawn]

🚫 🥜

[earnest crane]

Day 618 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/chop-angy-gif-18702915

[vagrant phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-stop-cat-caption-gif-15056319295312118165

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-play-time-kitten-cute-gif-9088918

[vernal flax]

update coming in the 5th of november?

[upper oar]

yes

#coming-soon message

[young bay]

Just remove reactive from all the tank at this point #balance-changes

[earnest crane]

Day 619 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[tribal holly]

💀

[thorny carbon]

<@&481447501690568709> please find an interesting suite of message above

[fierce robin]

✅ sanchayan2003 was banned.

[heavy linden]

@opaque heart I've seen many good suggestions and answers to your question here, and I've been following for a long time. Now I'm finally going to speak (and ask you), will the suggestions given actually be implemented by Wargaming? I have absolutely no desire to go back to playing tournaments, but these discussions have brought up ideas that could bring me and my team back. If you're not going to implement them or respond with something like "maybe someday," it would be very kind of you to let us know here. If there aren't radical changes to attract players, I won't go back to playing, and it also doesn't frustrate those who have expectations for change.

[boreal garnet]

pro red camo 😢

[proud holly]

It lowkey already exists

[boreal garnet]

[quick robin]

that bp was so peak

[noble pond]

Fav normal camo

[elder sundial]

Pro ⬛ when tho

[elder sundial]

So 🔥

[thorny carbon]

unfortunately wg are (apparently) unable to distribute this goated camo

[smoky elm]

How do we get this camo lol?

[silver kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[oblique basin]

it was in the star trek battle bass i think

[smoky elm]

Oh bruh.

[opaque heart]

for technical things I can't be responsible here (i simple for example can't implement voice chat lol), but I will try to work on rewards and new formats, and bring some ideas to Reforged tourneys (we're working currently on its design)

[maiden flame]

First reforge season gives unique TolyanClub Avatar 👀 ?

-# One day it will happen, before that I won’t stop xD

[indigo edge]

Thanks for big boss tourney

[earnest crane]

Day 620 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[elder sundial]

glaze final boss

[opaque heart]

😂

[maiden flame]

🥺

[supple quartz]

@opaque heart history will remember you as the savior of tournaments 🏆

[ashen solar]

@opaque heart can u show how this "fall camo" looks like?

[opaque heart]

tourney autumn camo + cyber camo autumn

[elder sundial]

Cyber autumn will be given out in leader comp?

[young bay]

Top12 camo for top8 leader comp ?

[opaque heart]

yes
(this is the only opportunity in this year to earn autumn camo)

[maiden flame]

When can we expect all Regulations for Leader comp ?
Upcoming week 👉 👈

[elder sundial]

[opaque heart]

next week yes, but it will be similar to last ones

[stone vector]

They did some pro yellow in that bp aswell. Peak battlepass camos

[fathom zodiac]

Lf someone for 3v3 tournament Tier X need 1 more player

[maiden flame]

https://discord.com/channels/481445776178806785/516538152866021386

[devout forge]

If it's still going then invite.

[fathom zodiac]

it ended ages ago. Ty

[boreal garnet]

[fresh canopy]

No need to change the whole game for 7 players

[proud holly]

Useless comment

[mossy trench]

no it was very life changing

[proud holly]

U right

[elder sundial]

🔥

[hardy delta]

Self report

[grizzled obsidian]

Does this mean that voice chat won't be implemented? Or are you saying that it could be implemented but it doesn't depend on you?

[fiery quail]

It won't be implemented

[proud holly]

She, herself, can’t implement voice chat

[heavy linden]

A tournament matchmaking system full of random players without voice chat and without coordination is literally the same as public matches. Any change without voice chat is completely useless in terms of conveying a tournament playing experience. If you're not going to add voice chat, don't waste your time and energy trying to change anything.

[grizzled obsidian]

Bro, hold on. She probably said she can't implement this alone. I agree that without voice chat, any effort on her part will be useless, but you have to understand that she's doing everything she can for us

[thorny carbon]

What am I even reading

[hardy delta]

The brightest minds on the NA server fr

[quick robin]

the hood research department

[boreal garnet]

Some people speak more than play this game

[loud thicket]

@opaque heart when do we receive funds from previous blitz cup tournament?

[grizzled obsidian]

I agree with you

[merry blade]

like fpl?

[noble pond]

[young bay]

[supple quartz]

Are you Even playing tournaments ?

[wicked pasture]

At the start players thought there would be no premium tier 10s. It was also thought pc wouldn’t be allowed in major tournaments.
Personally I don’t think either of those things are good but regardless, just because WG have never done something doesn’t mean they never will.
Your useless comment does nothing but stand in the way of progress

[fiery quail]

VC for Wotb is progress in your eyes? Man what am I reading?

The first issue for implementing VC is that in a given team - be it on EU Na or Apac - there will always be people from multiple horizons. Some will speak English, some Ukrainian, some Russian, some Chinese etc... What would be the point of having VC if most of the people in the game can't even understand eachother.

The second issue is that VC opens new ways to trolling, and may lead to insufferable players just being that much more annoying. Knowing the playerbase of the game there will without a doubt be players who will go into a game just to spew out slurs of all sorts of nature in the voice chat. The implementation of VC will only create a new vector through which players with Ill intentions will be able to continue being unbearable. Sure there are solutions to this: being able to mute a player in game, reporting them etc... However VC will make no sense when you've muted 2 players on your team for being insufferable and the 4 remaining don't speak your language.
And then in regard to reporting VC abuse, you would need a whole rework of replays so that they also save in game voice chatter, otherwise you won't be able to provide evidence of what you are reporting. Ultimately it makes no sense to implement VC.

The only place where I would agree voice chat would eventually be interesting is in tournaments, however 90% of teams who play tournaments - be they Qt or official tournaments - use an exterior app to communicate with their team, so ultimately VC would just be a feature that would remain unused in tournaments.

My "useless" comment doesn't stand in the way of progress as you put it, simply because the implementation of VC will either be useless - for CW - either be a source of trouble for moderation. It will cost WG money, and not bring any real value to the game.

I'm open to discussion, I would like to hear why you believe it would be a good idea.

[heavy linden]

We were 9 players who spent a lot of money on the game. If Wargaming actually looked into the tournament players who have quit, they would see that they've lost a lot of money and that the game has lost its competitive edge.

@grizzled obsidian u and so many others here are dead wrong if you think you're going to get matchmaking and voice chat. You are wasting your energy for nothing. If you want social interaction, as you said, and a strong competitive scene, go play something else.

@boreal garnet u don't even have half the tournament battles on your account that I do, and most of mine are from quick tournaments. I was a quick tournament player; you guys are seasonal tournament players. She asked specifically about quick tournaments, and that is something I can actually give an opinion on.

[grizzled obsidian]

Every single one of these arguments has already been repeated 100 times here and refuted 100 times. Korah and I even made videos about this; I suggest you read the discussion before giving a redundant opinion. Regarding the language barrier, did you ever stop to think that a button could be created for matchmaking to place players with the same selected language on your team?
What game have you been playing lately where players in a competitive match insult you all the time? Everything I've played with voice chat is extremely newbie-friendly. Insults in the text chat are possible all the same. Did you not stop for 5 minutes to think about why the industry standard for competitive games is voice chat? It must be because teammates are far more willing to cooperate than to insult each other. And if it does happen, you yourself gave the solution: there is a mute button.
Basically, you are saying that an essential feature for coordination in random competitive matchmaking should be discarded because you run the risk of having to press the mute button once every 10 matches. You are exactly the type of person I mentioned here: you wouldn't treat a deadly cancer if the medicine that saves your life and cures your disease had the occasional headache as a side effect.

@heavy linden Calm down, man. She still hasn't ruled out the possibility of matchmaking with voice chat. Have patience and hope; it's not a bad thing to have expectations of saving a game that I can see you love just as much as I do.

[wicked pasture]

@fiery quail
This is a clash between glass half full mentality vs half empty.
I do agree that there will be issues in moderating voice chat but the player base is not as toxic as you seem to think.
Why should the vast majority of sensible players be forced to miss out on actual communication with their team due to the antics of a few monkeys?
Yes all pro teams use discord currently but why does that matter? If they don’t want to use it.. just .. turn it off?? What’s bad about having the option?
I’ve played multiple qt with random teams and struggled to find their discord server until I’d already played several games with them. I also stopped joining those random teams cause of this issue. Why would I want to play with a team who I struggle to communicate with or when it’s such a hassle to get an invite to their private server? I’m sure there’s others who’ve experienced this and if the game had an inbuilt vc you could reasonably expect more players to join random qt teams, make new connections (and teams), learn more from each other and get properly invested into competitive play.
I think vc should only be offered in tournaments or ranked, not in randoms, cause players more likely to actually care about winning there.
Have a read of this proposal I replied to as well. I only really want the vc option in the mode suggested here

[supple quartz]

I mean, i only don't understand why you and BigLittleNego are using the word "useless" to talk about any new things/changes to tournaments that are not related to matchmaking and voice chat, these two things aren't going to save tournaments, any new things or changes like the new leader comp system can't be called "useless"

[heavy linden]

It's impressive how many people are willing to give an opinion without having followed the conversation. You are just one more person who hasn't followed the discussion here.
The efforts of Likaua, 34, BiglittleNego, Korah, etc., are all about attracting new players, and they convinced me with great arguments that the only way to get them to play without having to go through a difficult process is with tournament matchmaking.
They also convinced me that to give these new players the ability to compete with coordination, voice chat is necessary. Everything that Korah, BiglittleNego, Likaua, 34, and others have said here is irrefutable.
Changing the tournament format (fewer groups, more groups, giving a colorful avatar, giving some coins) all of this is useless for bringing in new players if the registration and team-entry process remains the same. You have to read what the people putting in the most effort here are arguing to understand that yes, anything other than matchmaking with voice chat is useless for bringing in new players.

[fiery quail]

You may have misread my message, I seperated random games, Qts, and Season. My remark about toxicity falls under the random battle section. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough on the point, in which case I apologise. However you yourself bring up arguments for VC that aren't much more than fabulation, and hopes. For instance your so-called matchmaking button that will place you in a team of the same language as yourself. In a perfect scenario, of course that would be an interesting solution to explore. But the issue is that the solution doesn't take into account the reality of the situation right now. The matchmaker already has to take into account other factors, the tank types the people in the queue are playing so as to balance out the vehicle types in opposing teams, which already reduces considerably the amount of possible combinations you potentially have in the creation of a team. Then you subsequently have the option to face only people who play the same control mode as you, which adds another layer to the filter further reducing the amount of combinations amongst the players in the queue you can have to make a team. Now if you decide to layer another selection criteria on top of these, you are narrowing down the the different amounts of teams that can be made. Now you may ask, that's nice but what is your point? My point is by adding an additional set of selection criteria to the matchmaker you are going to consequentially slow down the speed of the matchmaker, because as you know at any given time we only have a finite amount of players in a queue. Now maybe it would be feasible if we only had one specific game mode to play, but there are many. And also multiple tiers. The players are all spread out among those tiers and options, reducing drastically the amount of players who are actually eligible for a same language team.
In brief, while your solution may sound good, the reality of the situation prevents it from working.
And there is no need to be unpleasant.

[smoky wave]

Okay so either make it so you can mute people or implement what siege has and monitor foul language in vc, which results in a comm ban.

[supple quartz]

Once again you just prove what i said above, you keep saying that the only good solution to bring new players in tournaments is a voice chat and matchmaking, which is wrong. Some years ago we could still have hundreds of teams in tournaments, maybe nowadays less players are active in game so that could be one of the reason for the decrease of activity in tournaments but even if it's the case, you can't say "Changing the tournament format (fewer groups, more groups, giving a colorful avatar, giving some coins) all of this is useless for bringing in new players if the registration and team-entry process remains the same. You have to read what the people putting in the most effort here are arguing to understand that yes, anything other than matchmaking with voice chat is useless for bringing in new players."

Of course if the formats are better and rewards too this would be a first step to motivate more peoples to play tournaments, we're in 2025 buddy most of the serious teams are using discord or whatever to communicate in voice, even in quick tournaments.

[fiery quail]

I see where you are coming from, I was unaware we were only discussing the implementation of VC in regular tournaments. If it comes down to that then yes, I do agree that it definitely is feasible, and moreover a good idea if it can facilitate interactions between team members. Don't misunderstand me, I would like to see it implemented in this sector, as just as you said, it would provide an entry point to more competitive gaming.
All I'm saying it makes no sense to implement VC to other areas of the game, save possibily training rooms, as moderation would be a chore, and it would only motivate people to be even more toxic. Maybe the player base isn't as toxic as I believe it is, my opinion may be wrong, I can see that. However, what I do firmly believe is that having to write out something in the in-game chat deters players from being toxic because it's too much of an effort, just to be censored. Voice chat would remove this by allowing you to rant on about your team on the press of a button.

[heavy linden]

It's impressive how you are incapable of understanding what a "barrier to entry" is.
The guys here have been saying from the beginning that the barrier to entry for new players is the registration system, and they have meticulously explained why. And you literally keep insisting on the argument that giving a colorful little avatar or increasing rewards is enough, when all of them have already said that adding rewards is necessary, but not sufficient to bring in new players as long as that barrier to entry exists.
You aren't bringing anything to the conversation about how to break down the barrier to entry for new players. Basically, you are contributing nothing and just want to get in the way of those who are trying to tear this barrier down.

Look the @barren imp first and main solution:

1. having a greater emphasis on tournaments in the game's UI, right now it is very hidden and easy to miss

Look @grizzled obsidian and @toxic lintel videos

[grizzled obsidian]

Man, all of this has already been discussed here. What is your problem with reading what has already been discussed to avoid redundancies?
Language selection is simple. For example, on the NA server, we only have 3 main languages: Portuguese, Spanish, and English. Portuguese and Spanish are mutually intelligible. I can even understand all three languages and select all 3; others could select 2 or just 1 and would still find matches easily. This wouldn't increase the time to find matches at all; it would just organize them to enable coordination.
And why are you bringing up this "same control mode" issue? That hasn't been used in tournaments for a long time; tournaments allow all control modes. You are just another person raising trivial issues that have already been discussed here, just to try and make it seem like there are difficulties in implementing what is already an industry standard. This type of behavior is quite reprehensible. I am not talking about anything idealistic or inventions that aren't already standard and completely applicable to this game's specific scenario.
Read. Practice your reading. If you join a discussion, read what is already trivial and what has become a settled argument, so you don't disrupt the flow of the discussion with questions that have already been answered, which is exactly what you are doing right now.

Your contribution so far to lowering the barrier to entry for new players and making them able to compete in a coordinated way: None.

Your ability to demonstrate that the ideas given here would be impractical or too different from those that are already the industry standard: None.

Basically, what you have been able to contribute: Zero

[thorny carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[supple quartz]

Tell me how a voice chat and a tournament matchmaking is a solid fix for the "barrier to entry" in tournaments ?

Plot twist: It's not, for simple reasons, matchmaking means you will play with random peoples right ? this will be a random battle with the only difference that now you will be able to talk with your mates, on paper that sounds good but when peoples will start to yell at each others because someone played bad and so on, do you think that the new players you're talking about will be motivated to keep playing tournaments ?

However, i support ideas like the ones you spoke about: 1) having a greater emphasis on tournaments in the game's UI, right now it is very hidden and easy to miss

But voice chat and tournament matchmaking isn't necessary at all, there's so many ways to communicate outside of the game nowadays and it's fine like that.

So yes, in my opinion changing formats and improving rewards is something important and necessary and more interesting than voice chat and random mm in tourney, tournaments are supposed to be competitive right ? even quick tournaments could have some sort of matchmaking based on the team WR (not the tier 10 seeding, overall winrate on the account) like this teams with 48% actually have a chance to do something instead of losing round 1 and winning 300k credits.

Then about the rewards it's very simple, you keep talking about "a colorful little avatar or increasing rewards is enough" who spoke about avatar to begin with ? just add some rewards like golds, a better shop with tourney coins.

These ideas are btw way more easier to do than a voice chat

[wicked pasture]

This is true. I actually think adding a vc language filter to the matchmaker would have a detrimental impact on the number of players who decide to play ranked due to the queue time being so long.
Just don’t need it, you don’t need to discuss the intricacies of the universe. You only need basic understanding to coordinate okay with a random tour team for a couple games

[heavy linden]

Regarding behavior in voice chat, Likaua, BiglittleNego, Korah, and others have already proven thousands of times here that it is newbie-friendly most of the time.
Obviously, it's easier to just implement different rewards; you don't need to say that here, everyone knows it.

The point is that this doesn't touch on the main issue for getting new players into tournaments, which is the barrier to entry.

What is easier for a newbie?

BiglittleNego's Idea:

Select the "Quick Tournament" game mode in matchmaking > Play the quick tournament.

Your "brilliant" idea:

Open the tournaments tab >
Read that they can win a little bit of gold/coins >
Send an application and hope to be accepted by a team >
Hope they answer him in-game with the team's Discord server info >
Hope that everyone shows up on time >
Play the quick tournament.

And since you claim "there are many ways to attract newbies by breaking the barrier to entry," then give us those ways. BiglittleNego brought an exact plan of how this could be implemented; where is yours? What is your contribution? Rewards? BiglittleNego, Korah, and 34 have been talking about rewards all along. You are contributing nothing.

[supple quartz]

Dude you just keep saying names of other peoples but you don't even have your own ideas 😂 yet you're trying to say that my ideas are bad, gg

"it is newbie-friendly most of the time" sure yeah, that's very delusional statement and i don't even know how you can say they "have already proven thousands of times" this, you just have to see how toxic the game chat is in random battles, you really believe that peoples will be newbie friendly in voice ? nahhhh your reality isn't the real one sorry to tell you that.

My "brilliant" idea like you're saying, is to use a different system to match the teams in quick tournaments, like this teams of 48% players will play together and have more chance to win and enjoy the tournament, most of the players are in a clan you know so that makes more sense for them to play with their clan mates instead of random peoples, if they are not it's because of a personal choice or more likely because they are new in game therefore they're not instantly concerned by tournaments . I don't think we are playing the same game when i read what you're saying honestly

If that wasn't clear, you're not cooking by defending the "brilliant" idea of a random mm in quick tournaments and voice chat 🫡

[grizzled obsidian]

"How is a button on the game's main screen going to make it easier for players to access quick tournament battles more easily?"

Hahahahahaha, I can't believe I'm reading this; it must be some kind of joke.

"There are ways to communicate outside the game, so it's reasonable to use external tools that require a social networking effort just to be able to communicate. This isn't a barrier for newbies."

It's totally not a barrier, trust me. Hahahahah. It's so not a barrier that Tolyan literally had to come here and ask how to attract them because of their low participation in tournaments

[heavy linden]

Bring your idea, explain it. I'm quoting the others because I genuinely don't have a better idea; their ideas convinced me that they are the best possible ones to make access to quick tournaments easy for newbies.
Their ideas are standard in the successful gaming industry, and those games don't discourage any newbies due to "toxicity." You are denying reality. All the arguments they brought were based on metrics and examples; yours were based on nothing, or on repetitions of what has already been said. Again, your contribution here is zero. In fact, you're just getting in the way.

[supple quartz]

If you quotes things "i said" make sure that you really copy/paste my words, you're clueless at a point where i'm not even sure if you're really playing tournaments.

"It's totally not a barrier, trust me. Hahahahah. It's so not a barrier that Tolyan literally had to come here and ask how to attract them because of their low participation in tournaments"

Tolyan asked us to give ideaS to motivate peoples to participate in tourneys, ideaS means not only your ideaS you can understand that right ?

And no, not having a random mm in tournaments and a voice chat isn't the reason of quick tournaments being dead nowadays, you can share your ideas and defend them i respect that, but don't try to make fun of me because i'm sharing my point of view and my ideas.

@heavy linden It's not that deep then, if you don't have your own ideas don't tell me that my contribution here is zero, especially when i'm explaining my point of view & my solutions, with that being said i'll not bother to answer you anymore, have a good day !

[grizzled obsidian]

I'm not ridiculing you specifically, but rather your behavior of bringing up ideas and objections that have already been stated here. Basically, you haven't followed the discussion, you haven't read anything about it, you haven't seen the videos, you haven't brought anything new to the table, and you've polluted the chat with trivialities.

Bring an idea with an action plan, justify it, and explain why it would be a way to make it easier for newbies to join quick tournaments.
And if you want to challenge an idea, challenge something that hasn't already been challenged and discussed. Nobody is obligated to explain the same thing to you that they've already explained, just because you're too lazy to read.

[heavy linden]

Just by helping these warriors who have truly put in the effort to bring good ideas, I am already contributing.
You should contribute too: do what Korah and BiglittleNego did—record a video, present an action plan, analyze the gaming industry standard, go look up metrics, be useful. Coming here to repeat arguments that have already been refuted isn't helping the community at all.

[thorny carbon]

Yapping about this for the past day like we haven’t had the displeasure of 3 weeks of this already.

Let me sum this up:

• You are calling for a ranked pro max with vc experience.

• This is in your opinion equivalent or adjacent enough to tournaments to pull people in.

• bash other ideas or argue that if wg doesn’t deliver on your idea all other ideas are vain

• apparently watching the videos you want us to watch is a prerequisite to being worthy to message in this chat

• I am once again bringing to light that wargaming is trying to handle toxicity, arguing that a voice chat wouldn’t be toxic is false

• blitz is a game with a age target in the teen years

What makes tournaments, tournaments is the fact you can sign up with players you know beforehand. Otherwise it’s just random mm with extra fancy things on top.

We can agree that the UI is dog water and needs an overhaul.
Which will come with reforged no need to complain about it.

I beg you to just move on. The constant bashing of ideas because the ideas of other people are unworth (because not backed by yt videos), or not to your taste is tiring.

[grizzled obsidian]

1. The idea of changing the UI wasn't mine; 34 was the first one to bring that up.
2. The voice chat idea wasn't mine; Pyroblast was the first to bring it up, and in this chat, Korah did.
3. The idea for gold/coin rewards to spend on new tanks wasn't mine.
4. Everything I have done so far is go after metrics (I pulled a historical series on how quick tournaments have been experiencing a drop in player numbers, while games that have voice chat and in-game social interaction have grown in player numbers), examples of success in other games (voice chat in Garena Free Fire, Mobile Legends, among others), simplified ways to implement it in WOT Blitz (like merging quick tournaments with ratings to use mechanics and UI already in the game), and refining ideas that were already presented (a language button for voice chat, an in-game coordination UI and matchmaking button).
   Everything I've done so far is take the available ideas and present HOW and WHY they are indispensable and very well-substantiated. You have complete freedom to bring ideas here; however, absolutely no one so far has put in the effort to bring substantiated ideas. Machine-gunning suggestions without justification and getting in the way of those who do have substantiated suggestions is not something I think you would support.

[thorny carbon]

Good on you that you made the work and effort to make statistics. No one can take that from you.

I think we can all agree anyway that there is a tournament engagement issue.

On the other hand it doesn’t mean we are obligated to agree with you about voice chat implementation.
It also doesn’t mean we all have to do extensive research about voice chat implementation before we voice our opinion.
Because spoiler news: you’ve uncovered and done work to substantiate an issue but the way to solve it is an opinion.

Regardless of feasability and how many people want that or how good your idea is, the fact is that spamming the chat will obviously attract criticism and baseless criticism.

So you are not getting your suggestions machine-gunned down. It just feels that way to you because you’re been writing an overwhelming amount of messages for the past couple of weeks.

[fiery quail]

You don't seem to grasp anything of what I am saying.
The same control mode issue is simply, once again, regarding random battles. A distinction you fail once again to notice.

And your statement that adding a language selection option for the matchmaker won't slow it down is simply false. You go around saying people are cutting down ideas without any arguments, but you yourself bring forth ideas without having done any research into their feasibility.
But sure I will humour you, here is some proof that your «language selection button» will consequentially slow down the matchmaker.

Considering the message length limit I wrote it in the linked document.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:9a741154-73bf-4242-b0d5-aed7e1c23ebf

[grizzled obsidian]

@thorny carbon
I am completely in favor of criticizing voice chat as something that won't solve the problem of lacking players in the sense of attracting new ones; that is more a function of the UI.
However, to deny how indispensable it is for coordination (someone argued that only pings and text chat are sufficient to play in tournaments) and to allege possible toxic behavior (when you can just mute or disable the voice chat) is simply flat-earther thinking. No median team plays using just pings and text chat.
Nobody here suggested that people should be forced to listen to insults. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with my opinion; it's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact that voice chat is the best form of coordination in a tournament battle and that the toxicity problem is solved with a simple click on 'mute.' This has never been a matter of opinion.
I was offline for many days; I only came back to comment here because they brought the subject up again and pinged me.

@fiery quail

"you yourself bring forth ideas without having done any research into their feasibility."

Don't be dishonest and a liar; confess that you haven't read what has been discussed and that you just parachuted in now.
I brought metrics from WOT BLITZ and other mobile games here for weeks on end, feasibility studies, implementation studies, I talked to developers, contacted voice client companies, talked to new players, and made videos, complete reports, etc.
READ BEFORE COMMENTING, NOBODY IS OBLIGATED TO DEAL WITH YOUR LAZINESS TO READ.
And despite your dishonesty regarding the effort we are putting in here, I will read your document as further proof of my effort to read and improve ideas brought here.

[ashen solar]

Holy yapping

[fiery quail]

@grizzled obsidian indeed I stand corrected, I hadn't gone up high enough in this chat.

[grizzled obsidian]

Bro, For those who are lazy about reading, just like him: he had the audacity to consider all 10 tiers in his combinatorial calculation, as if tournament battles would run from tier 1 to 10.
I literally posted here that each day would only allow a single tier. You based your exponential explosion on a multiplication starting from a complexity that was not proposed here. I addressed the matchmaking time-to-solve problem by enabling only one tier per day (this isn't just an argument; I am an engineer and economist, so I understand exponential explosions very well).
I'll give you a tip on argumentative honesty: first, you read and understand people's ideas, then you try to counter them.
Your 90 pools are, in fact, only 9. And with a conditional suppression [fallback] if too much time passes, it would just be 1.
If you were honest and had read what was proposed here, you wouldn't have made a useless document refuting what nobody said.

[brave pawn]

Guys guys you aren’t allowed to repeat what other people have said or share whether you agree or disagree with the potential changes

[strong comet]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[grizzled obsidian]

6. Daily Tier Rotation for Battles: Implement a system where each day features a specific Tier for battle entry, mirroring the current Quick Tournament schedule:
   • Monday: Tier VI
   • Tuesday: Tier VII
   • Wednesday: Tier VIII
   • Thursday: Tier X (as in current Quick Tournaments)
   • Friday: Tier IX
   • Saturday: Tier X (as in current Quick Tournaments)
     This rotation will cultivate a desire for "meta" tanks across all tiers starting from Tier VI, creating competitiveness at lower tiers and giving newer players an early taste of competitive play. Furthermore, it ensures high sales for new tank releases across the board, not just for Tier X tanks, due to the competitive advantage they may offer in their respective Tiers, also only one tier reduce matchmaking complexity narrowing down combination possibilities."

@fiery quail What is your intention, after all? Is it to improve the ideas or not? Is it to help the community with your knowledge or not? Read what has already been proposed and go further. I truly believe you are capable. After creating this document and demonstrating a real capacity for contribution to algorithms, create a new one about something you propose for improvement, ping me here, and I will comment and try to improve it with pleasure. If you're just going to repeat useless trivialities that have already been said here or attack straw men, stop pinging me in this chat.

[brave pawn]

No.

[heavy linden]

Name of chat: #tourneys-discussion

What happening:

Two guys talking about ways to implement voice chat to coordination for tournament battles or implementing a good algorithm for tournament matchmaking.

Also happening:

IQ 50 kids spamming "I can't stand people discussing about tourneys in the tourneys discussion chat anymore, so much YAP"

I love Wargaming Wot Blitz Discord Server 🤣🤣

[regal lynx]

[boreal garnet]

Why you are saying all this to me 😭

[hardy delta]

You just got called a lil dawg 😂😂

[heavy linden]

I noticed you have a strong desire for this game to have a more visible tournament scene (like you mentioned with other games, such as CS-2). Don't worry, I'm just a quick tournament player. I admire professional players like you, but it's sad that you are professionals with absolutely no visibility. Someone here told you are Brazilian. I'm actually watching a Brazilian team (Legacy) fighting for 400K USD in a tournament Grand Final right now.

[barren imp]

see i support tournament voice chats, but the more 1000 word essays you guys write the worse it looks

[hoary rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-mouth-yap-yapping-gif-5826675563472983873

[earnest crane]

Day 621 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[pearl urchin]

Be ready to spend 300 euros this black friday to have an advantage over your opponents with the absolutely broken Felice !!

[proud holly]

Oh yeah, that IS a pretty strong tank

[brave pawn]

5 ho ri meta

[boreal garnet]

Liquid t30 hltv

[smoky elm]

Better to have discussions than none.
Now, here’s something we can all agree on to increase tournament participation! Make comp hype ads, an actual Blitz Comp HOF, and more exciting streamers!

@thorny carbon Yup! O7. Have clans, teams, & comp players’ achievements be remembered and known by the masses! Who knows? It might also encourage comp players to use the same IGNs or not disband comp clans after a season. That way, we will have stars/personalities -> stories (e.g. rookies aspiring to join a certain comp team/follow the footsteps of their idols/support a comp team that has history)

[thorny carbon]

HOF!

[heady rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-read-reads-reading-gif-8306972760366531490

[proud holly]

It would be cool if the banners in the back got updated faster

[thorny carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/abster-abstract-abstractchain-green-pudgy-gif-7325333397014224507

[smoky elm]

Yes indeed you are Sir! We shall ignore all of your great comp achievements. Anyways, won’t it be cool to have an official Wargaming page of all your comp stats, highlights, achievements in comp, a summary of how and why you got into comp and the dramas you were involved with, ||& favorite tanks?||

Comp is cool. 😎 We must make it so that new Blitz players want to play comp because it’s the cool thing.

It’s like how MJ brought the NBA to the world, Gretzky-> NHL, Schumacher/Lewis Hamilton/Drive to Survive -> F1, & Faker -> LoL. We need a star that the public matches players will remember. That’s another way to market the comp scene other than amazing ads/exciting comp commentary.

[grizzled obsidian]

Nevermind, I'm watching Legacy comeback rn, Aurora always sold 🤣🤣

[barren imp]

i don't agree in this case, as the discussion has already been had several times.

[thorny carbon]

Javi is my #1 hall of famer, farming na tours like it's t8 quicktours

[smoky elm]

O7.

_34. True.

[boreal garnet]

Max Verstappen > Hamilton/Schumacher

[elder sundial]

Cuz ur a beta

[boreal garnet]

🤫

[grizzled obsidian]

bro, Brazilian teams always sell

[boreal garnet]

they suck, only Furia is decent

[cyan timber]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-bro-yammering-about-what-is-bro-wafflin-about-what-is-bro-yapping-about-yapping-what-is-bro-yappin-about-gif-12728898718751592705

[chilly hemlock]

Alonso is still in his early days tbh

[proud holly]

Mane why can’t these be pro camos smh

[oblique basin]

because

[simple grove]

fr

[barren imp]

concrete ash is the best camo they have released in a while

[silver kiln]

I would have liked neutral ground over premium time camo

[rare bluff]

Holy yappanese bruh

[stone vector]

Neutral ground got so much aura

[smoky wave]

Concrete ash makes a better pro red than what a pro red would look like

[proud holly]

<@&481447501690568709>

[dreamy token]

Isn't Neutral Ground a superior version of Team Yellow camo

[steel shell]

I think every camo might be a superior version

[earnest crane]

Day 622 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[reef dove]

Noticed that the Tier 5/6 tournaments have been dropped in the last few months. Will they be returning or are they gone for good? Anyone know any info ??

[barren imp]

that is a question for @opaque heart 🙂

[upper oar]

could be intentional by design; if you take a look, the 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3 formats still offer Tier V/VI tournaments but the larger formats (5v5 and 7v7) are higher tier. since it requires more coordination and people (thus less teams signing up) for the larger formats, i think the idea behind this may be to encourage teams to play the larger formats at high tier rather than spread out amongst Tier 5/6, Tier 7/8, and Tier 9/10

[earnest crane]

Day 623 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[heavy linden]

It's simple to understand, the competitive scene of the game is dying, so if Wargaming adds more tiers, they simply won't find two teams to play against each other in each tier😔

[thorn shale]

i dig your name, twin

[opaque heart]

that's true
and number of participants were not big

[opaque heart]

this week

[opaque heart]

maybe in the future it can be impementes, i will try to hightlight it, but can't influennce a lot

[grizzled obsidian]

thank you very much Tolyan, we love u ❤️

[opaque heart]

i love you too 🙂

[earnest crane]

Day 624 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[upper oar]

on NA, we often have single digit number of teams (like 7-9) in many QTs at Tier X

so i will take any chance to get more teams up to the higher tiers

[barren imp]

i would love to see new QT formats

[heavy linden]

I hope Tolyan will save us with QT matchmaking, I tried to play 3vs3 > 15 minutes waiting to play between phases, I gave up phase 3

[elder sundial]

Never back down never give up

[hardy delta]

You’ll never be like him

[brave pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-marcus-bird-shoe-bill-stork-scary-twitter-bird-bird-marcus-gif-19323978

[proud holly]

Deng

[proud holly]

These map changes are interesting

[remote thunder]

I REALLY wish they would keep
the weekly tournament schedule fixed. It takes a lot of personal scheduling for clan members to participate.

[proud holly]

[sinful widget]

[elder sundial]

So true 👑

[proud holly]

<@&481447501690568709>

[fierce robin]

✅ heberon. was banned.

[smoky elm]

Guys, do you believe it’s possible for some of the old maps to have supremacy and add these old maps into the comp map pool? It would seem pretty fun given the massive altitude differences in old Oasis, Winter, & Middleburg.

[distant forum]

When 116 coming back to stores? Would be nice to play it during leader comp thanks.

[ancient linden]

No, God, please, No

[earnest crane]

Day 625 of asking for Twister Offlines to return

[young bay]

[smoky elm]

Lol, you guys think it’s for actual tournaments. I meant QTs lmao. There would be balance issues for actual tournaments. If these maps were used in actual tournaments, the 116 wouldn’t be able to rotate fast enough to the caps. Alternatively, it would be highly difficult to push a cap. We would see a lot more MTs and TDs used.

[elder sundial]

116 won’t even be meta next season gng

[barren imp]

i gotta say i agree w exploding that it would be cool to see the throwback maps in QTs

[brave pawn]

Sure, let’s add copperfield too

[proud holly]

Most of these maps are super small so it’ll just be 116’s being perched on every piece of elevation while the whole map gets shot out

[barren imp]

they aren't super small tho

[smoky elm]

I feel that these maps are huge. Perhaps it’s due to the large variation in altitude.

[proud holly]

Theyre not tiny tiny, but Im still not really a huge fan of the large shifts in elevation that can often control the whole map. The reworked maps did a better job of making every map space playable without massive spawn diffs which I thought was the point of the old maps being phased out to begin with.

Maybe I should explore the maps more too tbh

[brave pawn]

It’s not about size it’s about personality

[boreal garnet]

For the first time ever I gotta say WG I am happy about WG's new changes

[quick robin]

I love all shapes & sizes

[silver kiln]

Are you meaning to say altitude?

Well it can be used to define structure or posture as well, but that’s really old English, if even English, maybe he used it on purpose @exotic sun