maps-discussion

[wide shale]

You can use the train and buildings

[hardy dagger]

You're still in the open and can't shoot

[wide shale]

At the corner there is elevation change giving terrain cover

People also use the hilly part where you cap A in supremacy as hulldown

[hardy dagger]

Still not enough space for proper hulldown gameplay

[wide shale]

That part of the map isn’t built for heavys as it was built for meds/lights

[hardy dagger]

It was built so poorly that no class can play there, yet everyone going that way

[wide shale]

I find alot of cover and fight fairly well in most tanks there

[quaint bay]

Frencj

[hardy dagger]

Yeah, best you can do on that map is hide, doing no damage and wait to get railed

[wide shale]

Try flanking

[hardy dagger]

🤡

Do you realize that battles on that map are so slow that if you go flanking the entire enemy team just turn on you, or rail your team

[wide shale]

Battles there for me are actually quite fast because most of the time my team is split and one side dies so quickly while the other is doing who knows what

I would suggest trying a different method of playing in that map if every time it turns into “either hide with 0 damage or die”

[hardy dagger]

Going solo on the other only playable hangars side?

[wide shale]

Or maybe taking a different position somewhere else, idk how you play in that map with what tanks, you can figure out how you can play best there

[hardy dagger]

Also there's disbalance between spawns on that map

You can peak much easier from the upper spawn

And if you have at least somewhat strong turret you can't be countered

[wide shale]

But I think the other spawn dock side can get over to the coal mounds faster

[hardy dagger]

That's the thing, no one plays that side for some reason

[wide shale]

Everyone gets so pent up with the “everyone stay together” idea and just follows whoever is in front of them leads them toward med side nearly every time in almost every map

[hardy dagger]

I mean that strat works fine, this is not wot pc, but I still don't understand why everyone always going med side

[wide shale]

Usually heavy side is town, the general player base hates towns

[hardy dagger]

That's because for mediums it's gonna be a big problem brawling heavies in city, and for heavies on the other side there's no such problem when they're playing med flank

But ghost factory is just different, it's unplayable for both - heavies and meds

[stone tendon]

Ghost factory is pretty bad.. everyone goes med side, flanking is not really effective if you spawn on the port, barely any crossfire possibilities across the map making heavy side completely useless. Factory is interesting though, in the rare occasions you use it.

[elfin moth]

Imo not the maps fault cuz till the time corridors exist, choices are need to be made, trends are to be set

[marble gyro]

most maps are focused on one side only (most of the time the medium one) because pushing all together a flank with tanks advantage will usually guarantee the win

[stone tendon]

No that’s not true usually you can use 2 thirds of the map, rarely the whole map like Castilla, Dead rail or falls creek. Only maps certain only have one viable side ( port bay, ghost factory, Faust )

On some maps, doing a Zerg rush into one flank will just leave your team cornered

[hardy dagger]

Ghost factory is just bad

[stone tendon]

It already makes me appreciate maps like canal

[hardy dagger]

Canal isn't even that bad

[stone tendon]

Yea that’s the point it’s a good map and shines more when ghost factory exists

[short otter]

You're very funni

[hardy dagger]

Sorry but the clown crown belong to you

[short otter]

Hey, free crown. Can't say no to that!

[hardy dagger]

Not gonna bother arguing with an American person

[short otter]

That's rather mean, my friend. Surely you don't think of us all as a bunch of burger eating lunatics?

[short otter]

I think it's an okay map. The medium lane is, for better or for worse, still a good section for fights to take place in. Plus, the lack of crossfire may as well be a good thing, because it discourages heavies camping in the most awful of spots. CQC in the factory itself is intersting, though hulldown tanks tend to suffer in this section of the map.

[ivory crypt]

why go medium side on factory?
just go the other side where you can have interesting fights or go factory to peek different parts of the map.

[short otter]

I've done it before. I've never liked the factory section , as I play US tanks and as you may know, they lack hull armor most of the time.

[hardy dagger]

🤡

Not being able to get good in tanks that "lack hull armor" sounds like your problem

[zinc trout]

The factory tends to be a death trap

[wide shale]

I find its hard to predict how a battle will turn out when a team goes to factory

[ivory crypt]

not always, you can exploit that it has openings on all routes on the map to scout or just ambush
it is def better than going medium side, which i agree is terrible

[faint lynx]

The factory part definitely does work occasionally, but usually, if a team doesnt play well (which really happens a lot in Asia), its usually, a death trap, yeah

Though I did see some times where enemy teams pushed through factory and won because they secured that area of the map

[quaint bay]

Bring back the desert map with the Beatles reference.

[short otter]

Well, I like playing them, so I don't exactly see where you got that conclusion from.

[steady gate]

loved that. the reference was good.

[hardy dagger]

Your stats?

[short otter]

Does it really matter?

[hardy dagger]

Yes, your stats are literally the display of your game experience

[short otter]

Well, I'd like to use BlitzStars, since what's listed in-game isn't always the best.

[hardy dagger]

I've seen your blitzstars dw

[short otter]

Awesome, I won't have to post it.

[lusty warren]

Everyone would rather use blitzstars than in-game

[stone tendon]

Map concept - 525x525 (Attack or Defend scenario map)

[short otter]

The base is way too close towards the green side. Also, the green side gets to camp in TDs all day with that huge hill they spawn on. So sadly, this will have to be a nay from me.

[stone tendon]

Green has no vision of the cap when their spawn corner, thats kind of the point of the map; green has to defend the the hills on the edge inorder to make sure they can stop base capture.

[short otter]

They'll still camp. This is WoTB, after all.

[stone tendon]

It would be their doom :^)

[quaint bay]

Lost temple when

[swift hare]

beautiful

[autumn needle]

I would've switched red spawn from Top left to top right and green spawn from bottom right to bottom left

[stone tendon]

It would work like that too, but I was trying to get away from symmetrical maps

[marble gyro]

asymmetrical maps usually don't work sadly, because one of the two sides will get an advantage (and the other a disadvantage)

[hollow iris]

@stone tendon . interesting and simple central planning for defence. i would stagger the placement of buildings on plan for some parts so the line if sight is not straight through one side to the other. a ruver crossing would help define the map and game play too. just my 2cents. theme would be cool if its a prison break. old prisons are all centrally planned.

[stone tendon]

I see what you mean, I agree the 3 rows of buildings should be arranged a bit differently to prevent the back alley from being too open / to give cover

[kindred scaffold]

(Picture by Meaty) I actually like this proposal 🧐

If the game could dynamically change time (day / night) of the map. Based on device time (or local NTP) - With the possibility of switching off in settings.

I know there used to be ideas for implemented weather (Snow, sand storm, Rain,...) - That can be more device intensive.

[stone tendon]

It would be cool, you just also need to add different textures for foliage depending on the time too

[faint lynx]

I remember playing another game (I wont mention it directly) where what you said actually happens

Depending on my device time, the lobby/garage becomes either day or night

Can’t remember how intensive it was on my device though

[kindred scaffold]

Time could be optained also through the server (Server UTC Time) it self (I already saw it in Developer client in that small window)

[dreamy wave]

Hey, when are PBR maps coming. Was it the one being teased in the coming soon video???🤔

Anyone???

[sinful sorrel]

Wait until WG say officially, patience

[short otter]

^^^^^^

[agile pewter]

probably will be a while anyways with them pulling out of russia/belarus

[short otter]

^^

[agile pewter]

I wouldn't expect anything until at least the end of the year, if not early next year

[lament widget]

there was a map teased in the video?

[wooden quartz]

I expect only just small updates for hotfixes, small bugs and perhaps more buffs that none asked for

[agile pewter]

yup

[dreamy wave]

@lament widget yeah where the French battle pass tank was. The way the sceen just went slow mode for a little bit. That was a PBR map. Go check that video out.

[lament widget]

Dude that was an animation

[humble anvil]

Yeah it was not any sort of hint to PBR maps
We get animations like that for all the battle passes.

What is really bad is many high profile YouTubers promote these false assumptions, often through clickbait titles and a lack of emphasis on it being just a guess cough cough Droodles

[stone tendon]

Yea I was going to guess it was droodles spreading more of this false information...

[lusty warren]

they said in christmas stream pbr maps would be out this year, but due to the pullout of russia/belarus there might be a delay

[narrow vector]

Would be awesome but It would have to be done probably with PBR maps only, since pretty much all lighting and shadows in the maps now are baked in for whatever time of day it is by default and it would look off with different sky's and sun locations while the shadows and lighting is still pointed in whatever the default is. The only way they can do it with non pbr is if they had pre baked lighting for each set time change which would mean having like at least 4 versions of the same map; which would increase game size immensely. Or they can just go the easy way and not care how the maps look like and just change the sky.

[stone tendon]

Map survey in game!

[torpid rampart]

How exactly do PBR maps differ from their current counterparts

[marble gyro]

https://youtu.be/SrrDbnKpXs8

[lament granite]

my sole earliest surviving memory of this game is playing with the matilda on mirage ... really miss that map! 😢

[elfin moth]

Omg same, but when mirage will be back, it will be in PBR⚡

Oasis palms PBR

Just keep an eye out for the backgrounds of offers as they may be future maps/pbr of current ones

And the loading cover screen too, like this time its new bay pbr

**imo

[wide shale]

I wouldn’t count background screens as leaks, there are so many of all kinds that it doesn’t seem plausible

[humble anvil]

Yeah, those are not really leaks. They’ve always been in that HD style, long before PBR in Blitz was even a thought.

[lament granite]

have they confirmed this yet?

[elfin moth]

nope, but if they are doing a 'Complete rework' most likely it will be

@wide shale you should, as early beta's or in development cuz, before 8.0(and till date) they used to show PBR tanks in the background of offers and on the cover loading screen and bam after 8.0 it is reality
And FYI, PBR maps are confirmed by WG to hit the game this year and will most likely come in patch 9.0

@humble anvil as i said above

[lament granite]

we don’t know if they will be coming back, or when (let alone with PBR especially since they said the first one will be a new map, which i interpreted to mean that there will be two more additional arenas this year, but only one will include the updated graphics and HD model)

btw we don’t know about 9.0 yet either, and personally i harbour severe reservations when it comes to such a detailed proposal of entry

[elfin moth]

hmm kk

[stone tendon]

“Indefinite rework”, meaning it may or may not return

[elfin moth]

ye

[cloud light]

2nd time doing this mount goating summit

Think i could follow the map tutorial soon

[marble gyro]

please tell people to go to the medium side (the one of front of you in this pic)

[cloud light]

Since i could do some concealment with thus Sussy trees, no.

I aint gonna reveal my position to enemies

[marble gyro]

bruh at least tell people that the other side and the middle are garbage, because the only side where you can win the games is the medium's

[cloud light]

Actually yes ur right, the MT side are broken af with the terrain

[marble gyro]

most maps are badly balanced, for example new bay and moldenjki (or whatever is called) because most of the map is usless except for tournament

[cloud light]

Falls creek tho for some reason for me

[marble gyro]

falls creek is win or loss in 30 seconds, depends which team takes first the deep on the heavy side

[sly vigil]

Yamato harbor rework anyone?

[elfin moth]

Eventually when it will get its PBR, it will automatically get reworked

[sly vigil]

nice

[marble gyro]

it's probably one of the most balanced maps out there, both sides have good positions to counter each other

[sly vigil]

That’s true. What I had in mind was an extension of the borders on the heavy flank so that the entire Yamato is accessible

[stone tendon]

Yamato is a very boring map, and the medium side is pretty terrible

[elfin moth]

PBR maps?! #game-news

[marble gyro]

no, this thing i just too big

[red lake]

That’s a render

[elfin moth]

I was thinking dat the mountain area will be in the background
Like the mt on falls creek and on yamato
Look at the grass especially the pink flowers, dat is on many maps in the game
So i was like pbr maps?🤩 🤯 🔥 😱

[supple vault]

Pretty much all art will look "PBR", it's made for advertising

[humble anvil]

Yeah people love to dissect every little thing to prove something that’s not true

It’s just art, WG isn’t sneaking leaks into that stuff

[elfin moth]

Oh kk^^

[scenic stratus]

Wg literally make "leaks" videos each month anyways. They'll just cram that stuff in those coming soon videos

[lusty ravine]

What is meaning of pbr maps

[wide shale]

Better looking maps by rendering, like better looking tanks (60TP, E100, Vickers)

[elfin moth]

And also it stands for Physically Based Rendering

[bright briar]

i feel like they should make the maps better, the tanks look amazing, and with less people playing on phones (i think) and better phones to play on, they could make the maps look better

[quaint bay]

what should i do at canal? map postions

[stone tendon]

Depends, what tank are you driving?

[quaint bay]

i play all, but rlly i want to know heavy on that map

[stone tendon]

If you have mediums going to the hills, hold the middle and create crossfire. If no one goes hills you go to the middle, or if you have enough armor you hold the base cap in the dip. If you are fast enough you can go to the corner.

[quaint bay]

okie ty i'll try

[fresh quest]

is there any news when mirage and lost temple are coming back?

[marble gyro]

read dms

[river canopy]

Always go to the D supremacy cap area. Never go middle. Ever.

[stone tendon]

In comp sure but in random battles you can be more flexible

[river canopy]

Even in randoms never go middle. You literally cannot accomplish anything from there. There’s no cover anywhere so you just get farmed by hulldown tanks at D or unspotted tanks at A. And both a and d are very sheltered from mid as well so you have no shots on anything

[elfin moth]

Yesssss, all these times that i have been saying and now finally aeason confirms!!!!
PBR MAPS Comming in Patch 9.0 lessgooooooo🥳 🥳

[wise elm]

Probably a rumor though, a wargaming message or a game file proof and i believe it

[wise elm]

Is this a good spot for mobile hulldown heavies? Works most of the time
I also make sure to stop on these binocular icons for a few secs to see if anyone is crossing
I don't usually cross though the top, it mostly ends up in the enemy or my teamate getting shot to 10% HP

[ocean ravine]

They aren’t bad but they are risky I would say

Cause you have no clue what enemy is gonna do and if your team will support you if you push so far ahead

[humble anvil]

They are not coming in 9.0 iirc. We know they are coming eventually but not in the next patch. Don’t be so gullible.

[elfin moth]

See, every .0 patch has a major graphical improvement
8.0 was PBR tanks and as Michal the level designer confirmed, the next graphical improvement for the yr 2022 will be PBR maps
So ye it will come in 9.0

** Michael

[stone tendon]

It's situational, but when I use it, it works pretty well. The corner is rarely used, unless youre using a 4005, that spot is only used when there are all/majority heavies on both sides.

[quaint bay]

when i go that way i just get destroyed 🇩 🇪 🇩

[humble anvil]

Not necessarily. Yes we know they are coming but they were never specified in 9.0, nor have they been teased yet.

[elfin moth]

it will be teased in May

[humble anvil]

How do you know?
The most reputable sources that get the earliest leaks know that nothing has been teased beyond WG stating that they would come, in a stream last winter.

I’m not saying they won’t be teased in May but you can’t go around spreading misinformation, if you don’t know what WGs plans really are.

[elfin moth]

precedence

and maths tbh

[scenic stratus]

There is nothing to base those claims on tho. Sure, a pbr map may come for 9.0 based on the fact that they release something new each major release. but do you even know when 9.0 will be released. Even then there is no way of proving your claim that a pbr map is coming by then. Unsubstantiated claim is a rumor afterall. And this isn't related to math at all

[elfin moth]

Bro, patch 9.0 comes at the end of may.....
Dude, i srly do not understand why ppl think that MS1 is a small company with like 2 or 3 employees
It is huge okay, and they have been working on PBR textures for tanks and maps for quite some time
Unless u can't accept dat, u won't understand mate

[supple vault]

x.0 updates are generally game changing but there's no substantial evidence that they are coming in 9.0
It could feature the release of just the Japanese heavies (and some other stupid feature WG managed to squeeze in a line) but there's no solid proof

Unless you get a solid leak or teaser from WG themselves, don't claim that PBR maps are coming in 9.0

Educated guess is one thing, claiming it's true is another

PBR maps do admittedly have high chances of coming in 9.0 but unless it's an official leak, just stick with "probably coming" instead of "are coming"

[humble anvil]

Yeah, based on patterns of tank releases Japanese heavies are far more likely for 9.0.

[humble anvil]

Since when have we ever said anything about MS1 and WG being a small company? We know they’re huge, but that doesn’t mean they’re constantly churning out content. The war in Eastern Europe and WG’s decision to close their Minsk studio also makes it more likely development will slow down a little.

[elfin moth]

And @humble anvil ye all i am doing is educated guess
I thought it was a given but ig me being excited for it has overshadowed the fact that i am only guessing 😂

Also ya all saw the new HD desert sands?

[narrow vector]

At this rate 9.0 will probably be released at the beginning of June or so, the rates of updates have really slowed down and especially this 8.10 update which really doesn't have much isnt coming out until at least next week.

Luckily whenever the PBR maps come out I'll probably have my new phone by then.

[lethal depot]

ngl its about time blitz gets pbr maps

it just looks so outdated with current graphics even with max graphic settings on

[prisma thistle]

Look at the good side

[stone tendon]

Just go play wot pc if it bothers you so much

[supple vault]

WoT PC is hot garbage

[humble anvil]

Yeah it’s toxic meta, just not worth it anymore

[elfin moth]

yus

[stone tendon]

PBR maps will just equal massive game size, is it really worth it just for the game to look a bit prettier? already its double the size with just a few dozen PBR tanks, the game will just get heavier and heavier with all these textures...

Gameplay matters more, not looks, and there are alot of maps that need rework.

[magic isle]

To me at least, maps getting PBR is a good excuse to rework them.

[leaden wave]

the new maps already look good enough, why bother giving whole maps pbr textures itll just kill the playerbase that dont have good devices

[elfin moth]

It won't be compulsory to use PBR maps uk, just like pbr tanks

[scenic stratus]

Load times and memory usage for molendijk is already through the roof and that map isn't even pbr. Something to put perspective to

[leaden wave]

^

pbr textures on tanks even without max graphics can still lag, entire maps with it would just
no
just no

[stone tendon]

You still need to download all the textures, wotb file size will hike to 10gb in no time. it used to be 2-3gb

[marble gyro]

not necessarily, WG is trying to copy the programs which allowed 1.0 HD WoT's update into blitz without enormously increasing the game size

[elfin moth]

Oh ye :(

[stone tendon]

To give you an idea, we have already gotten to 4gb with a couple dozen pbr tanks.

[marble gyro]

still, we wont grow up to infinite, probable the definitive game size will be around 8-9gb (pretty acceptable if we think that this is going to happen in about 3 years)

[sinful charm]

giving you the option to delete your account in-game
i don't like where this is going

[pale isle]

so now when you tell a bad player to delete their accounts they can do it much easier 😉

[sinful charm]

not really how it works but whatever 😑

if this thing ever gets implemented hacking into people's accounts will do a whole lot more damage than just a few sold tanks

[pale isle]

You can stop Account Deletion within 45 days of the initial deletion request. (from the WG article about deleting your account)

[sinful charm]

welp

[elfin moth]

Uufff

[dreamy wave]

Are all maps getting PBR in update 9.0??

[elfin moth]

1 will

[dreamy wave]

@elfin moth and when will the reworked Desert Sand drop in????

[elfin moth]

Speculation**
Few facts-
HD Desert sands has not been tested in Open Test(OT) 8.10
So we can say that it won't be comming in patch 8.10
But, the files have been found and have been used to see how it looks(cuz can't play on it, invisible walls and tanks going below the ground) so maybe 9.0 or 9.1
But definitely not 8.10 cuz finished files are not available nor tested in ot 8.10

Few things that culd happen is
9.0 sees PBR map, 1, and 1 reworked HD map
Or Only new(er) maps will get pbr 1st but as the difference between them qnd the oldest maps will be too much, older maps will get HD 1st then PBR when their time comes

So ye, expect it not to drop in 8.10 but maybe in 9.0 or 9.1(june or july 1st week or 2nd week)

[narrow vector]

Molendijk or Ghost Factory will probably be one of the first updated to PBR, those 2 most definitely have a pbr version already made somewhere in Wg

[leaden wave]

the little windows in ghost factory reflect light when on max graphics

[stone tendon]

I have a feeling they will release a new map with PBR

[marble gyro]

they will, and i think they have part of the files already but they can't release them because overall the players still don't have enough powerful devices

[stone tendon]

Wow so that’s a pbr map

[humble anvil]

I don’t think so

[wide shale]

Hey look, there’s the Kunze Panzer

[vale panther]

Like in normal wot

[elfin moth]

Pbr^

[stone tendon]

I don't think they are intended to be the same thing, but it definately looks like a new map - which will also introduce PBR for maps

[humble anvil]

It’s just an animation, like all the Battlepasses. We literally know nothing about them except that they’re coming at some point. People need to stop being so gullible and realizing that some stuff is simply just art for adverts and not some “hidden leak”

[supple vault]

Don't go making assumptions out of art and videos, the things in there are used for advertising and the photo sent by thenerfdude can be nothing more than a render

I'm not putting a desert PBR completely out of the equation, but when it comes to advertising, it should look good

[stone tendon]

look obviously the ingame offers showing the tanks flying around on rendered maps isnt a leak but with that video it shows that they are working on them. Theyve never done such a thing for advertising.

[humble anvil]

Yeah, I have no problem with people speculating but when their “evidence” to show their guess is not evidence at all and they haven’t bothered to do any research, they’re promoting false information. The last thing we need are 1000 Happy’s running around here.

[supple vault]

^

[humble anvil]

That video was part of the promo video for the Barkhan operation, you can clearly see the camouflages in it.
Or have you never seen one of those battlepass promo videos.

[stone tendon]

I havent you hold a good point if thats true

[humble anvil]

My big problem is people are so gullible and hungry for new content that they don’t bother to rationally think about what they’re saying and often prompt information. Big clickbait YouTubers such as Happy or Droodles help promote the misinformation. The funny thing is, Droodles gets his leaks actually legitimately from aeson, who is very reliable however he often combines it with speculation that isn’t always obvious to the untrained viewer and clickbaity titles to boot.
If you want good news, I can DM you the invite link to a server which is incredibly reliable and posts a lot of stuff.

[red lake]

People really did forget they have a massive amount of projects in development as of now and the adjusting effort has them tackled

[stone tendon]

Don't worry about the news channel, not too interested in blitz these days

[humble anvil]

Ah ok. I guess you just aren’t aware of everything going on so you can make false assumptions as you lack info, makes sense why you thought that was a pbr map.

[stone tendon]

I mean if they are showing 4 tanks normally - not animated - driving on a pbr map it’s enough evidence for me to think that they have it behind the scenes

[red lake]

That’s not at all proof of showing off a map though that’s literally if anything showing off new camos

[wide shale]

Thats like taking the Tiger 131 offer, in the render of the offer it had the correct cupola, but the in-game model doesn’t, then saying the Tiger 131 will get PBR next update

[red lake]

And again they have way too much on their plate rn would be weird if they came out with a pbr map without supposedly no datamine info on it

[short otter]

Scary stuff, that.

[elfin moth]

Oh, u see dat is from the Barkhan bp vid, it is unlisted till date
And yus it looks very pbr!⚡ ⚡ ⚡

[leaden wave]

looks very pbr bruh thats just a render so the video would look good 💀

[narrow vector]

People always say Wg should be careful on leaving people with low power devices behind, but I honestly want to know how prevalent that is. They should do a survey on what people's devices are and if they plan on upgrading within the next year or so. Just ask what our AnTuTu benchmark score is now (or some other benchmark app like Geekbench) and if we are upgrading what will it that device's score be.
Would be interesting to see what people have.

I'm still personally using my budget phone that was initially released in Oct. 2016 but I plan on upgrading sometime within a few months.

[sage river]

Yes I agreed with you @narrow vector the game also lag on some high graphics map such a faust

[elfin moth]

The low end devices can still play at their normal low settings when a huge graphical upgrade comes xd

[leaden wave]

pbr textures = more storage taken up
even if their phones can perhaps still play on low graphics, how about their storage?

[marble gyro]

newer phones have also more storage, and also the game itself probably won't grow up more than 8gb

[leaden wave]

i was talking about the players on low end devices

[marble gyro]

not all players play on 5-yo phones

most of the playerbase probably has 3-2 yo phones, and a lot of people play on pc, too

[elfin moth]

They can choose not to download hd textures
But that doesn't cuz cuz i haven't downloaded hd textures for tanks yet still can use pbr on tanks
So idk xd

[stone tendon]

I think in the future WG should offer a standard and HD version of the game, like PC WoT

So the lower end devices wouldnt have to download such a large game; 8gb is a quarter of a phones storage for many

[narrow vector]

Many lower end android phones still have an SD card slot so it shouldn't be too much of a problem if you have low internal storage

[elfin moth]

Agree

[river canopy]

With the smart dlc system, not everything has to be downloaded, so it would simply be that if you don’t want pbr models and maps you wouldn’t need to download them

[solemn frost]

Does anyone remember the desert map with the water fall?

[shut jolt]

That's mirage and still being reworked rn

[lilac cliff]

kutas

[stone tendon]

Crazy map concept - 540 x 540

[wide shale]

Idk how to rate maps but I like the idea of high bridges

[lusty ravine]

May make red team path to corner Bridge like green

[quaint bay]

So it is better to play with the lowest possible graphics than with high graphics if the device is paid which is equivalent to more game speed without lag I mean although you risk not seeing details of the cars in battle xd

[reef dune]

Guys add a ukraine map

[solemn frost]

You mean a long road with mud at the sides? lol

[quaint bay]

Lollll that epic

[elfin moth]

Hmm xd

[elfin moth]

I mean, the intro of Molendijk is exactly whats happening there

[sly vigil]

Looks cool but also extremely small?

[stone tendon]

tank to scale, POV if you were to drive on this map

[sly vigil]

Nice

[dusky charm]

effects of the phobia of heights start to set in

[reef dune]

O god

[elfin moth]

Looks cool

[hardy otter]

You use Unreal engine?

[stone tendon]

Unity

[jade thorn]

Its been 1 year since WG removed the chinese map and dessertic map from the game ( in which i dont remember the names ) and i even forgot why did they do that

[stone tendon]

To rework them because they were not suitable for high tier

[jade thorn]

Yea still it was mostly common in tier 3-4 battles

But like i got a few questions

1. why didnt they just delete them for high tiers only
2. why are they taking so long

[narrow vector]

They already weren't playable for high tiers, hence the rework.

2. idk

[wooden quartz]

Feels like WarThunder. Gaijin would like to know your location

[bitter python]

Where is this map?

What happened to it, WG?

Archived for unknown reasons, or just forgotten?

[supple vault]

They did say they're working on it

It could've been completely scrapped or just put away for the time being but maps take a long time
The shortest WG managed to make one was Naval Frontier in 6 months

[stone tendon]

Yea ghost factory took 2 years to develop, new bay to had a similar development time

[red lake]

The center looks really oddly familiar

[prisma thistle]

Reminds me that map which one is avaliable during burning games

[stone tendon]

It was available in public matches once ;-;

[lament widget]

What a terrible idea that was. Thank goodness it was for a single update

[wide shale]

That map is really cool, I think its cool to set the Brooklyn bridge and river bed in a post apocalypse theme

[lament widget]

In my opinion I think it’s new bay, but after said apocalypse

[wide shale]

Yeah its the same place, but you fight in the river bed instead of the city

[short otter]

Meh, never liked that map.

[trail seal]

Moledjik has to removed, such a stupidiest map, everyone camping.. boring

[placid berry]

Any suggestions for a good strategy for Mayan ruins?

[elfin moth]

Hot take
Imo the pbr maps will look more like the maps implemented in WoT Modern Armour(aka wot console)

Cuz i was just going through an interview with the head publisher of blitz and in that and in pretty much all of their(blitz's) media releases, they have said about how they could bring console level graphichs quality to mobile
So their aim, imo, has always been to achieve console level graphics on mobile, and not WoT level😂

And may I add, WoT console looks really cool⚡

[trail horizon]

tanks over 50kph go to the NE part of the map. the rest should go to the middle area. the NW area isnt that great. but, if the enemy do go there, try to encircle them from at least two directions.

[dim nacelle]

I think it will come after 9.0 maybe 9.1 or .2

[bitter python]

@placid berry this guy is wrong.

Just go play on C cap area and on that "cliff" that over looks B, forget A and B.

[trail horizon]

which corned is C cap? i never play supremacy

[bitter python]

Opposite of those two big tower directly in front of the Heavies.

[trail horizon]

i think we are thinking of different strats for different modes

[reef rover]

Interesting channel,do you guys know at the Yamato harbor map the is a building where you can let move your gun inside and shot anyone are at the other side?? XD

[elfin moth]

Noice

[stone tendon]

I remember people mentioning how Desert sands is going to be reworked

And then there is also that 2 second clip on a PBR desert map that was shown earlier

Do you see where im getting at?

[stone tendon]

https://youtu.be/5wQ1MWuQM0o

Seems real

[humble anvil]

Yes, Desert sands is being reworked however…
If you saw that “PBR” desert clip then you’re still not thinking straight. That was an animation, not any teaser for PBR maps.

[red lake]

People are still onto that wow

[marble gyro]

that's a rework because the positions on the city are unbalanced, not a pbr model

[elfin moth]

It is not PBR desert sands
According to Testik, they guy who made the vid, This is an HD desert sands
He says that old maps will 1st get HD models whilst the newer ones will get PBR

[stone tendon]

Oh ok I see

[narrow vector]

I'm pretty sure that's just a minor 'remaster' like how mines got some more stuff to make it look like an active mine

[elfin moth]

Yess! Dats exactly what it is

[wide prawn]

Molendijk, great for light tanks and tank destroyers, terrible for heavies due to the amount of hills and open areas

[stone tendon]

Its more just specifically bad for a tank like the Maus or KV4, since the town is almost completely unused. Heavies with gun depression work well in the middle of the map.

[elfin moth]

Ye agree

But imo if the while team just pushes towards med side, ginish the meds and td's
The heavies see the commotion and come to B in the mid and can be finished off so ez win

[modern maple]

If the heavies feel useless on the medium side they will just stop coming there

And since the team with less heavies on the medium side usually loses the medium side, this will shift the meta away from the medium side just like on Middleburg

[radiant hinge]

looks like mirage

[elfin moth]

Hmm agree

[wooden quartz]

Funnily enough, irl tanks avoid urban areas at all cost but not because they're unused

[modern maple]

Depends on the doctrine

[zinc trout]

USA doctrine is to send tanks into urban areas because they're death traps for infantry.

[glacial thistle]

where is Mirage? where is Lost Temple?

[marble gyro]

reworking

tbf i don't miss them since they were quite small and unbalanced, as well as unavailable at high tiers

[wooden quartz]

History and geopolitics shows that sending tanks on urban areas isn't a good idea, mostly if the enemy uses guerrilla tactics or you can't do proper infantry support

[zinc trout]

The Abrams is built to take on Urban environments. As Bad as it is for a tank, it’s even worse for infantry.

[ocean ravine]

That's not true at all

Tanks never go into urban areas alone, they always have infantry support with them.

[wooden quartz]

Mostly because urban environments are "natural" fortresses. It doesn't matter what equipement the attacker is using; urban assaults tend to give advantage to the defender

[zinc trout]

Where did I say tanks go in alone? I was just saying that tanks don’t avoid urban areas at all

[dusky charm]

Isn't the Abrams like, one of the best? Or did I just misunderstand again 💀

[modern maple]

You misunderstood. His second sentence was „As bad as it [urban environment] is for a tank, it‘s even worse for infantry“

[modern maple]

If I remember correctly you need a 6 : 1 advantage over the defender to have a reasonable chance at winning an offensive into urban environment

[ocean ravine]

What he is saying doesn't make sense tho cause tanks don't operate in urban environments alone so comparing them to infantry performance makes no sense cause they work with infantry

[junior fog]

pretty sure tanks are supposed to avoid urban areas

[zinc trout]

If the army has to clear an urban area, they will send in tanks

[junior fog]

and they have a good reason for that, their gun elevation cannot engage targets or threats close to them. and pushing tanks for that MG is like wasting the tank

[junior fog]

O.O

pretty sure there's Infantry, IFV and APC for that

[zinc trout]

The Abrams is actually rather good at urban areas. It's crew hatches can be only opened halfway, and they have a lot of machine guns to work with

[junior fog]

also, move this discussion to #off-topic-discussion

[short otter]

Not really. You don’t just send infantry into a city and not bring your tanks in. That’s as dumb as saying the T29 is average. No, you bring them in and have your infantry clear buildings and be the tanks’ eyes. See, tanks usually carry something called a “gun.” These guns are usually quite big. Sometimes, very big. These guns usually carry something known as HE shells, which is short for High Explosive. They… never mind, it’s in the name. These HE shells can be used to bring down buildings. Now, that’s good. Sniper in that house down the street? No prob, we gotta tank with us! MG nest? The tank will deal with it as well. But, there’s also the fact that the enemy will also bring tanks in, and infantry has found that it’s always hard to destroy tanks on their own. Sure, towed AT guns exist, but they’re not very mobile and are more vulnerable in urban environments. This is where tanks shine. They’re a protected gun (at least, most of the time) that can deal with targets that the infantry cannot. This might happen, from flat and open plains, to confined cities.

[small badger]

So, can we please vote to get rid of Mines (a tier 1 map) from tier 10, it is not designed for high tier, like at all. We have plenty of good maps for tier 10. I would not be exaggerating if I said literally every player would enjoy mines being removed from tier 10.

[white rover]

I hate canyon. Dude tht map is so odd tht my winning chances just cuts down to 50

[ocean ravine]

This is how I've thought tanks are used in urban areas, with infantry clearing buildings

[short otter]

That's ideally how they should be used anywhere. They augment the infantry's ability to achieve objectives by being protected and mobile firepower. The infantry just needs to make sure this firepower is protected from threats it cannot effectively see.

[ocean ravine]

Also tanks have thermals so hiding behind buildings is harder than it seems

[tribal knot]

Factual, especially with the addition of the TUSK upgrade kit which adds tons of slate armor, more ERA, more machine guns and other things to allow increased survivability in CQC in Urban Environments, with the latest addition Single Charge war heads in AT weapons are practically useless and even Tandems will have a issue ||Tandem warhead example: Javelin missile. Single charge example: RPG||

Also btw Tow Behind artillery is practically useless unless they fire rod rounds or advanced cannon fired missiles. This is not saying the tank isn’t vulnerable, as weapons like the Javelin can be used to effect against all types of ground vehicles and have been seen in enemy hands before. There are many ways to dispatch a enemy AFV but tow behinds alone won’t get it done for sure

[hexed echo]

have wondered if wg is making mirage and lost temple pbrs? those maps had been gone since theyre were temporaly removed

[shut jolt]

Wg always took a bit longer time for developing maps, you can take molendijk and ghost factory for example

• Ghost factory got leaked it's process in may 2019 and came to game in jul 2021
• Molendijk got leaked in mar 2021 and came to game in jan 2022
• yukon got leaked in oct 2019 and came to game in jun 2020

[marble gyro]

i personally don't miss them, Mirage was completely unbalanced and most of the map was usless and Lost temple wasn't exactly the best either

[small badger]

At least they were fun cough cough (Mines)

[stone tendon]

Mines is fine, the whole map gets used atleast

[leaden wave]

i like mirage because it has a nice scenery, gameplay wise its really eh

[stone tendon]

It was too cramped, maybe if it was bigger it would be good gameplay wise

[small badger]

So many good memories on lost temple, sad it isn't with us anymore

[faint lynx]

Where is mirage’s tier locked again? Like around tier 7 then higher up it wont be in the map lineups?

[marble gyro]

Mirage hasn't been in the game for almost 2 years now and it wouldn't change anything to only put it in low tiers, because the map was unbalanced and the west and middle were usless anyway

[hard harness]

Wasn't called >lost< temple for nothing 😔

[wide shale]

Mirage was just a mirage all this time

[modest crow]

Both those fun mode moon maps are terrible, mirage had a better side to start on over the other, i liked the idea of a hill advantage point in it, but that needed an area similar to castilla where it could be contested without the whole team support. But id like a giant maze map, full of bushes so you bring battles into CQB and use the hull down meta in a way where they dont have a huge advantage.

[faint lynx]

Mirage = Myrage ngl

[white rover]

Anybody kind enough to say which points on Winter Malinovka is good for TD?

[stone tendon]

Depends on the scenario/what tank

[white rover]

Well I have rhm and jpanther 2 as td currently. But I become dumb while playing on this map.

[rain gorge]

Jpanther 2 good for this map i have 6 mastery badges with it here

[gray totem]

Watch this replay, 3k damage in 1 minute

[white rover]

Thnx!

Btw....how to watch this replay?

[gray totem]

just download it, then open with blitz app

[white rover]

Ok

[gray totem]

that spot is only good when fighting against more than 3 heavies, and you have your heavies going the same way

[radiant hinge]

remove every single stone/rock in maps

every problem solved 👍🏿

[stone tendon]

Git gud

[radiant hinge]

you don't and can't have any argument 👍🏿

[stone tendon]

Look at you coping 🐸

[radiant hinge]

ratio 🤠

[plush aspen]

A lot still use the TD "platform" near each swarm to start the game with and I reckon it then d oends what's happening to what you do next

[white rover]

Yeah. i try to do tht only to get spotted and recked

[dreamy wave]

I thought PBR maps would look like those of world of tanks PC😐

[humble anvil]

This isn’t PC
I think they look pretty good tbh

[scenic stratus]

Yeah, it looks fantastic for something that is meant to be a mobile game. Very polished. Although I will try to keep further comments until it goes on the live server

[narrow vector]

Even if these newer PBR stuff doesn't hold up to your expectations, just switching over to PBR will help future proof the game. If it doesn't look as good as you'd hope, it's more likely a lighting issue rather than a texture one. This means that they can always improve the look down the line without having to replace or update textures. They can just do incremental increases/changes to their lighting engine over time.

[humble anvil]

One thing I also noticed which has been implemented for all maps, is that driving through bushes will now shake them a bit, like they’re actually being displaced. Shooting through one also shakes the bushes much more, and when you shoot on a grassy area the grass around you also will react to you shooting. Very cool, makes the tanks seem much more alive in the environment.

[narrow vector]

On another note, they should add a lens flare effect to the post processing while they are at it.

[wide prawn]

Ah molendijk, great map!

Awful for heavy tanks with no gun depression but great for fast tanks with good flanking, only issue is that it has not that many hiding spots for snipers that want to get a good view of the map

[wide shale]

The pillboxes are great and the bushes next to the bridge and city entrance are also good spots, you can even camp the cap spot and look around from the middle of the map

[wide prawn]

True but tank destroyers kinda struggle

[white rover]

This map is a feast for hulldown tanks

[quaint bay]

PBR is very laggy for patato devices.

PBR maps/garage can closed woth selecting "Medium" in map quality.

If you want play PBR maps in patato devices, they added 3 modes in "Low Res." ( Off = Off?, Static = Always On, Dynamic = Sometimes on sometimes off )

[dreamy wave]

The grass looks a bit pale to be honest though 🤔

Overall ,they should make colours better in the new Castila map.😐

[narrow vector]

It looks fine, I just think they need to add back some haze/fog for distant objects. Maybe I need to see it on my own device to judge but the mountains and stuff in the background in their video looked a little too clear, kind of throwing depth perception off a little

The fog levels are probably more 'accurate' to how it would really be IRL; but since the maps aren't that big. Even mountains which are made to make you think they are way off into the distance aren't really all that far from the playing area. So they are getting less haze/fog because at that distance it's technically more accurate, but it throws the depth of the whole map a little off. At least in my opinion.

Kind of like the fog problem the gta trilogy remasters had.

[elfin moth]

I have seen a lot of ppl complaining about the buildings and the terrain of castilla pbr
Imo, the colour pallet used for the architecture and the terrain(grass) is accurate.
As castilla is a Mediterranean setting, that is exactly how Mediterranean setting looks, the paints on the walls , the grass its all pale in reality as
well
And additionally it is an afternoon/noon setting so the sun is directly vertical to the ground hence the nature of the shadow is less in the area covered as well

@narrow vector thats the thing, i agree with u but they can not add fog becuz it is a noon/afternoon setting in a Mediterranean backdrop

[humble anvil]

Overall the PBR maps look good, I just think the colors need to be slightly more vibrant at least for the plants. Still, it’s not much of an issue, the only major problem I have is the fog. I’m sure on other maps there will be more. Despite some small nitpicks though, the PBR maps overall look fantastic.

[stone tendon]

Yea the buildings and stone textures look great

[humble anvil]

The assets on the map itself are amazing, that looks good. The new grass, water, rocks, everything looks good.
The only problem is the lighting. WG needs to change it a little so it’s more vibrant and less drab, even if it’s supposed to look like that.

[stone tendon]

The colours are a bit flat, and it needs fog.

[dreamy wave]

Hope your right about this mate. Am sure they'll do a better work for the rest of the maps🙂

[bronze swift]

Other than dead rail
Ig we need a kind tropical hilly jungle map

[narrow vector]

Mayan ruins is kind of like that

[hexed echo]

We need Berlin map but no too soon

[reef wharf]

what about a Keiv map?

[stone tendon]

WoT PC used to have kharkov map, it could be remade for blitz too

[narrow vector]

https://youtu.be/mMmKw-1tL34

The differences are pretty big when you look at them side by side

[stone tendon]

Its a shame the river was drained

it was really something that defined Castilla

[narrow vector]

Yeah, but if you accidentally fell down there it would take forever to get out and back into the battle.

I wonder if people would go more often to that area beside the bridge heading into town now that there's less water and seems like they widened the grass area there too. If you tried going there in the current version it was completely useless and made you go so slow with all the water.

[river canopy]

I’m gonna miss that. One time 2 enemy tanks chased me while I was on one shot into that river and they managed to both somehow drown

[autumn needle]

Japonia lol
They misspelled Japan😂😂😂

[jade sundial]

yeah i also like the current water setup, it's actually not that bad as it might seem. Maybe it's because i actually use it fairly frequently to reposition, but there's a sweet spot where you don't ride too far up the wall and you can travel at a pretty decent clip, maybe half to two-thirds of speed limit even though you're in a rough spot and water. It's really nice because nobody wants to follow you since its a little hard to do and they dont want to fall too far into the river

[trim vale]

THEY WHAT

[marble gyro]

don't worry the river is still there, they just reduced the parts where you can drown

[stone tendon]

You still can in certain areas, they are near enough to spawn to just leave the game in the first 30 seconds.

Yet they don’t keep the areas where you can drown your enemies ;-;

[marble gyro]

but if im not mistaking now the church's hill is steeper so if you push someone down they'll take a lot of dmg

[lament widget]

Used?
Did they remove it??

[stone tendon]

Is it not the one with the massive aparment buildings and the crater holes? I could be remembering wrong.

[marble gyro]

kharkov has been removed 5 years ago or smh

[lament widget]

It’s a big city in the winter. That’s all I know. I haven’t played pc enough tho.

@marble gyro they re added it a couple years ago

[marble gyro]

rn it's not in the game, and it hasn't been there for at least 2 years

[lament widget]

You obviously don’t feel like checking your sources, it’s been in the game for a couple years, before that yes, it was gone for a few while it was re worked

I stand corrected. It was removed a month or so ago, along with Minsk, but before that it was still in the game for a couple years

[stone tendon]

for example, one of the only areas left

also the shore is a lot less brutal, less steep, allows for easier exit from the river

[river canopy]

That’s actually really helpful. One of the most obnoxious things is when you’re South Spawn, and you need to swing out and kill the TD sitting in the corner, but the only way is to cross 2 bridges in the open to do so

[stone tendon]

Hm true, I didnt think of that. Maybe I am just reminiscing the brutality of some of the old maps.

[wide shale]

Damm, I will miss the deep rivers, they were pretty cool

[gleaming shuttle]

which map is the best for light tanks?

[stone tendon]

Molendjik or Canal

[steady gate]

I found that the DW-2 just cant drown, now that Castilla has shallower rivers though, it will be invincible lol

[storm peak]

Mines 🗿

[faint lynx]

If that light tank isnt fast or strong enough its most likely to either die or be useless in Mines

[ionic current]

Which beach is the normandy beach?

[marble gyro]

omaha mby?

[ionic current]

Okay, makes sense

[quaint fossil]

Please let us choose what map to play. I dislike how it is random

[faint lynx]

Play training rooms

[agile pewter]

L

[humble anvil]

Bruh

[tropic coyote]

LMAO

[wide shale]

😐

[hard harness]

🗿

[wide shale]

💀

[dreamy wave]

How about a mariupol map. It will be interesting 🤔

[wooden quartz]

For obvious geopolitical reasons, it's not cool to make anything related to this conflict in a videogame for the next 40 years

[loud echo]

which IOS can handle PBR maps

[pulsar oracle]

Yo dude that's a Japanese heavy

[stone tendon]

Nooo I’m playing world of warships

[midnight escarp]

Remove shit maps like Yukon and Hellas and add back good maps like Lost Temple and Mirage

[modern maple]

I think Molendijk is a bad map design

[narrow vector]

Yukon is a great map, it's one of the few maps with a viable center push

[marble gyro]

🤦‍♂️

[stone tendon]

its great unless you are a big fat heavy, like a maus or E100

[modern maple]

It is Ghost Factory but instead of one ditch in the corner it has two ditches in the corners, one for mediums and one for heavies. To add to that nonsense it has a mountain in the middle that is surrounded by a massive moat.

That wouldn‘t be all that bad if the top of the mountain was less akin to a display plate where you basically have to hide in the access routes to be somewhat in cover. That however means that you are just asking to be flanked and cross-fired.

So, the middle is not a great place to play because you are probe to being eaten alive (and you can‘t help anyone killing themselves in the ditches), the flanks are not a great place to play because you can fight it out in a ditch brawl (which automatically puts anyone who plays proactively at a disadvantage) and everything in between is just dead no man‘s land because it‘s a massive open ditch

It‘s ironic that the Dutch map in this game the most unnaturally hilly one

Oh, and it also looks horrible because the entire landscape looks so unnatural

[marble gyro]

🤦‍♂️

[stone tendon]

Ok from my experiance Ghost factory is just a corner brawl, and Molendjik is the meds and lights fighting in the village, TDs near the pillboxes and heavies on the cap hill. So I prefer it as using: 2/3rds of the map > 1/5 of the map.

Its actually tanking and not CSGO close combat

[wide shale]

I wonder what will happen if a map was made with a city on a hill on one side, but a field area one the other side
Basically the Middleburg but the city is on the hill

[dreamy wave]

What's wrong bruh😐

[marble gyro]

do you know what the heck is happening in the world rn?

[lament widget]

I wonder why wg decided to remove the Minsk and Kharkov maps?

[proper panther]

probably the russia-ukraine conflict since those are both places over near there i think

[stone tendon]

Whole team would go hill, and the occasional light would run through the field to flank. Thats how I would imagine it

[fresh quest]

When does mirage comes back?

[marble gyro]

after 9.1 (2+ months)

[stone tendon]

Why do you want it back?

[fresh quest]

i like the map

[stone tendon]

The way they arranged the map made the actual fighting areas really small

[marble gyro]

you liked a map which was 80% usless and where the useful part was unbalanced?

[stone tendon]

It was symmetrical I dont remember it being unbalanced

[wide shale]

Stand on top of a dune and snipe everything

[marble gyro]

the dune part was usless all together, the lake part gave a slight advantage to the north spawn

[quaint bay]

I love the trees

[marble gyro]

tutorial: how to die in the first 15 seconds of the game

[wide shale]

Yolo strats

[quaint bay]

At min 4:02 at the right of the wheel, can we go in that little space? Or it will be blocked by barriers

[fresh quest]

I like the map because it was a beautiful map. I don’t care if it was playable or not. Neither am I in favor for buffing/nerfing tanks. I play it as it is maps or tanks.

[white rover]

Somebody help me with Canyons map. I always lose hope of winning whenever it comes up. Be it heavy, medium or TD, I just can't win.

[dusky charm]

If you are a light, medium or a heavy tank with 10° of gun depression, you must take the middle part of the ground, next to the base. Make sure that your tds are covering you though

[peak lake]

Stick with your teammates and peak corners from a distance while the enemies are distracted by your teammates, try to get a critical like breaking their track or damage their viewports, breaking their track can help your teammates with aiming and it helps alot

Theres a lot of spots and advantage points there, you can hide in bushes and snipe from there with a TD or medium, lights can stick behind heavy teammates and mediums can provide assistance aswell

[elfin moth]

Found some prototype's of new bay
Look how well the map turned out!! 👏
Any thoughts?

Source

[wide shale]

New Bay/Wasteland (that special gamemode map)

Is that a old post?

[white rover]

What I observed is, either the team just camps their way out of the game to lose or just pushes aimlessly here n there...again which results in a loss.

[peak lake]

I look at the map every 4 seconds thanks to my ADHD, and it really helps seeing which way the enemies are headed so I can reposition myself and get a good angle.
It really helps to look around your surroundings and wait for your team to push first while hanging out behind them, assist them and push with them, hide behind them when low health and back up when they're backing up

[white rover]

Thts wht I do too. But somehow....it doesn't work.

[peak lake]

Also depends if your teammates have an IQ of 40, or an IQ of 150

[white rover]

I feel tht this map doesn't has TD spots. Mostly hulldown spots at the bridge.

[peak lake]

If you feel that your team isnt pushing, drive in front of them and go forward, most of the time my team notices me and usually follows behind

[white rover]

I see. But if ur teammates are brain-dead, they just won't come with u. Asia server problems u see 😅

[peak lake]

If an enemy is camping a wall, hug the wall and drive against it while going towards the enemy, due to this problem the enemy will have to expose their tank to you when trying to take a shot at you, if your teammates are nearby they'll act like seagulls and fire at them pretty quickly

And by seagulls I mean a hivemind, they all think the same thing: shoot enemy

[white rover]

I tried to use this tactic only to find tht my team is caught in the open lol

[peak lake]

Alright so I'm guessing American servers have more logic

[white rover]

For sure.

I just can't change my server bcoz of ping issue.

[peak lake]

Hmm.. bump into them, and push them forward, alot of time they go out into the open and look around, you can follow behind and that usually creates a line where your teammates notice: "oh were moving?" And they'll follow behind

[white rover]

Yeah right. Weird things happen in tht map though. Lights start to camp, heavies start to think they r invincible, TDs think tht they can hull down and climb the mid section...mediums think they can just zoom past the map...lol. Mostly I play TD and get picked quite fast bcoz nobody holds the strategic points on the map. They move like flock of sheep and get picked from the distance

[peak lake]

Oh god, uhh.. stick with the most amount of people together, that's all I can say now

Jeez, never had a team like that, of course I only have around 110 battles but yeah

Thanks to this server I read all the messages and learn from it, that's why I have 1200 average damage at tier V

[white rover]

Yeah I get to learn a lot from here. Only to apply and look like a rebel on the map lol. But many a times I do win. I play higher tiers like 8 and 9. And it has more chances of noobs not practicing well with lower tiers and coming to higher tiers by foolishly spending free xp and gold

[peak lake]

I only spend XP and gold on modules, I'm a F2P player, I only use what the game gives me

I do have a suggestion, just do what your teammates do, go everywhere and then when you see a couple on an enemy, surround that enemy

[white rover]

Yeah. I set an example most of the times to them lol

[peak lake]

We should have a map with one of these behemoths in it

[heavy widget]

Heck yeah

Shcrewer Gustav

[peak lake]

And whenever the base gets captured it fires its gun and flies backwards lol

[kindred scaffold]

Hmm, I'll try to find it, looks amazing 😁 (And yea, looks Like New Bay)

[north zodiac]

was that on purpose?

[kindred scaffold]

🤩
New Bay before release

[kindred scaffold]

Nice, screenshots from RE as well 😁

[mint spire]

when wil there come a new map

??

[lament widget]

Castilla is being reworked next update

[heavy widget]

I tried but I can't remember how to spell it right

[agile pewter]

Schwerer Gustav

[heavy widget]

Ah

I try so hard to remember that and yet I can't

[mint spire]

tnx

[white rover]

Yeah. But still, if u aren't putting ur brains into learning, even those 500 to 600 matches won't make a difference.

I learnt in just 100 games. It's all abt how quickly u adapt to ur tank's mechanics and the maps thrown at u.

A tank commander becomes a specialist only when he dedicates his entire time in using tht tank in every battle.

[fringe pollen]

People who use alts 😎

[white rover]

Lmao yes. Thts discrimination

[peak lake]

What if we had a map that was like.. an absolute warzone, bombers flooding the skies and spotlights looking at them with artillery and machine guns firing at the planes, not Normandy, I mean like.. bombers and fighter planes surrounding the air all flying in nearly the same direction

For one it would be terrifying seeing that many planes, but that's how a bombing raid was done in WWII

[wide shale]

So Faust but planes

[peak lake]

Berlin!

The bombing raids of berlin in WWII, planes flooded the sky and destroyed buildings and lines of defense

So like molendijk but more chaotic and darker

[wide shale]

Basically Molendijk but only city plus planes

[peak lake]

Yeah, it would be cool seeing all the stuff blowing up at the start of the game, buildings getting blown up

Kinda like how molendijk starts, the start of the round theres buildings that get blown up by German.. forgot what they were called

Maybe throw in some destroyed tanks, like decoration spread across the open areas

[wide shale]

To bad the general community hates city type maps

[peak lake]

Well, mix it

[wide shale]

Then you get something like Middleburg where everyone never wants to see town ever again

[peak lake]

City + small forest

[wide shale]

We dont have forests in blitz

[river canopy]

Urban maps are actually good. But they have to be purely urban, like Himmelsdorf

WG always screws them by insisting they add a “medium side”, which always renders the entire urban half useless

[peak lake]

I like the idea of berlin

[wide shale]

Yeah, I personally really like urban areas, but with med side, everyone just hates urban because med side is always superior

[peak lake]

Middleburg could've been better, maybe bigger town?

[wide shale]

Hill still has high ground

[peak lake]

Flatten it 🗿

[river canopy]

Mixed type maps are by far the worst map type. And WG keeps making them 🤬

Either make them purely open like Normandy, or purely urban like Himmelsdorf. Mixed type maps wind up being piles of crap like Dynasty’s Pearl and Middleburg

[peak lake]

Middleburg could use a map update

[river canopy]

The only update that could save that map would be to either completely remove the hill, or remove the city. Otherwise they should just remove it because it’s the single worst map in the game

[peak lake]

Remove the hill, put another town, maybe like a mix, like one side is a large town and the other is a smaller town

[river canopy]

I wouldn’t be opposed to that, it could be sort of like a Blitz ruinberg

[peak lake]

Inbetween could be a railroad to separate the two and allow people to push forward instead of getting sniped

Like smack a train on that railroad and boom, you have a wall to hide behind

[peak lake]

Also what is that abomination

[river canopy]

It’s Ruinberg from PC

[wide shale]

Looks similar to Molendijk but fully city

[river canopy]

Personally, I think Ruinberg in Blitz could be fun. It’s a little small for 15v15, but could be fun on Blitz with 7v7

[wide shale]

Im all for a new map, especially if its completely urban

[peak lake]

Maybe, but I could try to go into photoshop and redesign middleburg

Are we in on my idea? Like having two towns, railroad with train separating them, but not too far away so the teams can push forward?

[river canopy]

I’m not a huge fan of dividing maps into 2 lanes

[wide shale]

Yeah, would be interesting to have “2” towns with one on a higher elevation

[peak lake]

Well technically it's the same town, just cut in half by a train

And the hill is gone, theres a smaller hill replacing that hill with a smaller town ontop of that hill

The towns arent entirely separate, they'll be connected via road and maybe a trian station

Can someone get me a map of middleburg please?

Nvm got it

[peak lake]

Alright big issue, I dont need the map, I need the design of the map, no textures, I need the map with just polygons :/

Does anyone know where I can find that?

[north zodiac]

for that Dresden would be a good map

[mint spire]

when is the new update?

[quaint bay]

When it drops

[mint spire]

..........

[stone tendon]

The game files

open in resource editor

[kindred latch]

Still too large I think… pc maps usually seem to have at least two separate flanks and so does this

[ocean steppe]

WG should remake Castilla. The HT side is too exposed to TDs, MTs, and LTs that can just spam shells at you without getting spotted.

[jolly cedar]

i feel like the tower hill thingy should be more in the middle of the 2 spawns

[stone tendon]

Well if you meds are completely incompetent, yea that can happen, but due to that it forces your team to spilt which discourages lemming trains

[kindred latch]

Also t100 is insanely broken on castilla

[halcyon wren]

all you need to do is change where the caps are in supremacy

put B near the church in the centre

leave the encounter cap as is

[peak lake]

And get rid of the hill because its atrocious for heavies

[halcyon wren]

no, sadly the meta is hulldown

hill is vital

and adds something to the map

remove the hill and it becomes boring

map design is an art form in itself.

Need to have a good balance between playable and non playable area

which is why I hate Yukon

And it’s why I somewhat like New Bay and love Himmelsdorf

[peak lake]

The hill is what makes the town pretty much useless,
hill Is not vital, a map can perfectly function without a mountain overlooking it, if you read the previous chats you would understand that not many people like mixed maps

[halcyon wren]

biggest problem with new bay is where the heavies go

why on earth does one side get a small hut and a pile of bricks to hide behind, and the other has hulldown paradise

quite literally in tourns getting park side for heavies is a win

[peak lake]

When I was explaining it, i wasnt going to completely delete the mountain, I was going to make it smaller and place another town ontop with a train separating the two

This way the mountain isnt unbalanced compared to the town

[halcyon wren]

towns in wotb are just bad to begin with really

just look at vineyards

[peak lake]

We dont talk about vineyards

There is no saving that map, it's more open and cramped in all the wrong areas

[halcyon wren]

if the town doesn’t offer sufficient cover for an escape route for heavies, often times it loses

so WG balance this in tourns by having 2 or 3 of the caps in the city

which is why the vineyards city and middleburg suck in randoms

[peak lake]

When I was mentioning about revamping middleburg, there was going to be plenty of cover for tanks to hide instead of the enemy having massive amounts of cover ontop of a mountain compared to a town with only around 3 aiming spots

[halcyon wren]

don’t even need cover on the mountain

vineyards has the exact same syndrome, tanks form a firing line where the enemy who pushed through town will show up

at least on middleburg they can attempt to cap

[peak lake]

With a bigger town and train going through the middle, aswell as maintaining more of an open area, it's more equalized and balanced between the two teams

Train acts as coverage, more buildings and bushes act as coverage, less insanely open areas will mean more coverage and higher chance of one team winning

[halcyon wren]

or you mean, slower, more boring grindy games?

again, the careful balance- too much cover means slow games, too little means games go too quick

[peak lake]

That's what I'm saying, with the current middleburg it's too out in the open yet at the same time too much cover and rounds usually take a long time

[halcyon wren]

mind you I’m sure that’s also due to the bore of the hulldown meta

if only we gave tanks ACTUAL HITTABLE weakspots instead of having “haha my prammo is 5% better haha”

I remember playing back when tanks had actual weakpoints

now it’s just “prammo 2 weakspot” or “hide weakspot with gundep” (screw the “weakspot” of such tanks)

[peak lake]

Which is why I'm making a game based off of tanks, in like 4-5 years, itll have actual weakpoints and more polished gameplay so if you play it, itll actually be fair

[halcyon wren]

wish you luck on it then

[peak lake]

Thanks, appreciate it

[cerulean forge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[dreamy geyser]

I wonder if Stepped from PC could be transferred into blitz?

[lament widget]

Not as it is in PC, it will have to be decreased in size. But, it is also a bit flat and open for what blitz as a game needs

[dreamy geyser]

Obviously not the whole thing, but I figured there could be maps to transfer from PC, like the aforementioned Steppes, Pearl River, Berlin, etc.

[lament widget]

From what was shown a long time ago, the new lost temple looks a bit like pearl river.

I would like to see murovanka

[dreamy geyser]

I'd like to see more Pacific inspired maps. As challenging as it might be to balance the maps, the Pacific front is very glossed over compared to the Eastern or even African front.

[dreamy geyser]

Is there an image of the redone lost temple?

[lament widget]

its old, give me a minute

im sorry to say i cant find it, it shows a japanese temple next to a river though.

[dreamy geyser]

Huh, ok.

[stone tendon]

#coming-soon message

Its this map, but they announce as a new map, so I doubt it is a rework of lost temple. I think they are just replacing it with a different chinese map.

[dreamy wave]

It will get nerfed. Don't worry 😉

[fringe pollen]

Armor nerf 💀

[dreamy wave]

Yes and dpm

Also mines and Middleburg need to go. Most unbalanced maps in the game

[lament widget]

sounds like you just dont know how to play them

[dreamy wave]

Nah most people complain about them being one sided.

[lament widget]

i wouldnt consider most people to be a reliable source

[kindred latch]

Nah man I like it when I’m playing lol

[ancient flax]

true

[sour viper]

Make it possible to choose and buy any you like from the many existing camouflages, no one buys camouflage containers, because random camouflage will fall out, not the one you need

[modern maple]

You can find a good selection in the camo tab if that is what you‘re looking for

[stone tendon]

Ye middleburg is just bad map design, mines is fine design wise, it’s just pretty small for high tiers

[kindred scaffold]

@fierce gate

[dreamy wave]

Bruh in mines enemy team gets 1 Meds and my team has 0. Enemy team gets to the hill first and that's basically a loss for us. That's not balanced

Any news about the next pbr map. 🙂

[lament widget]

It is castilla

[dreamy wave]

After castila I mean.

[kindred scaffold]

🤩 Wonderful map just a pity it didn't get into the game (Safari)

[fringe pollen]

Snake so yummy

[stone tendon]

Desert sands I think

[kindred scaffold]

I have my doubts.... 🤔

[quaint bay]

Hey lads i really need a tips for the naval frontier map if ur using a HT

[rotund flume]

Tips for dynasty pearl cuz i win only a few

[stone tendon]

Good luck…. That’s about it

[lament widget]

Where do you find these things

[kindred scaffold]

I don't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rotund flume]

ಠ︵ಠ

[dreamy geyser]

go to the hilly end of the map and crest over the hills. Once those enemies are taken out, you can cap the base in case of campers on the opposite end of the map.

@rotund flume heavies usually go into the town, while mediums and lights go into a close quarter brawl in the park, though it is possible for heavies to fight in park. TD can go to either side and provide long range support for the other tanks ahead of you. Winning in dynasty pearl requires a lot of teamwork and coordination, which is why it's a pain to win in.

[kindred scaffold]

Alpenstadt before release 🤯

Dynasty’s Pearl before release

[quaint bay]

Woah thanks

[quaint bay]

Its beautiful but at the same time it really looked like a dead/abandoned town

[kindred scaffold]

Well at least everyone can see that WG really does a lot of work + they rework the map many times before official release...

[languid pollen]

Might be coming later on?

[kindred scaffold]

This is from 2018 (April +-?), so I have my doubts 😄

[dreamy wave]

Hey how do you know this. Plus they don't look different from the way they are now 🤔

[kindred scaffold]

Probably because it was in the .... (well nowhere), before the official map release?

[dreamy wave]

Ok tell them they should make the maps look better though. 😉

[kindred scaffold]

Man, it's from 2018 -> 4 years ago... Idk what you expected... PBR map? 😂

[dreamy wave]

I thought you were showing us pbr versions💀😶. Sorry

[kindred scaffold]

Sorry, this should be August 2017. Official release of Dynasty’s Pearl was in December 2017 +-

[peak anvil]

Best map for LT and TD lmao

[kindred scaffold]

Ofc, I can do that images in high-res... if needed

[hard nebula]

guys there should be event that brings wotB from 2015 back like the 0.7.0 wot pc event

or more back like 2014 but whit pc support

[kindred scaffold]

High-res version

[kindred scaffold]

High-res

[stone tendon]

I’ve seen a different picture of this map

[kindred scaffold]

Where? 🤔

[stone tendon]

https://imgur.com/a/5k6fn

We got dynasty’s Pearl instead of this 😐

[kindred scaffold]

ooooh
Well, I got both 😄

[stone tendon]

:0

Can I see

[iron tendon]

When will lost temple and mirage come back?

[kindred scaffold]

Here, 4K version 😄

[stone tendon]

Wow

[elfin moth]

Do u have of any other maps as well?

[stone tendon]

https://youtu.be/QZDeh2RP1QA

[kindred scaffold]

Maybe, or maybe not....

[elfin moth]

Kk

[late heart]

has there been any discussion on bringing my retro maps before they were reworked (desert sands, falls creek...etc)? I think it would be great to see them in special game modes.

[hard harness]

Well, the maps that have been removed are still likely being worked on, we will probably see them through the years

[peak lake]

Worst maps (in my opinion)

5. Molendijk: amazing map but awful spots for sniping, buildings are too close together and provide too much coverage, while capture point is good, the hills are too large for slow and heavy tanks.

6. hellas: good sniping map with alot of coverage, but awkward capture point with enemies easily able to run around and shoot the team from behind.

7. Faust: too many open areas aswell as being unbalanced due to one side having a hill with tons of coverage and the other being completely flat and with little to no coverage.

8. Mines: due to it being far too open and easy for TD's to get easy kills while alot of tanks cant defend themselves due to the capture point being in an awkward spot.

9. Vineyards: Too many hills, open areas and unbalanced spawns, one having a large hill infront of it while the other has only a couple buildings to hide behind, capture point being way too out in the open, making it impossible to capture it.

[dapper sigil]

Agree with molendijk and mines, but where are port bay, dead rail, middleburg? vineyards and hellas are good

[peak lake]

Again I did say in my opinion, but port bay is okay to me, dead rail is fine, middleburg sucks but I dont really see that map often, all it really needs is an update

[stone tendon]

The only maps that you listed that I don’t like are Hellas and Faust, one is way too flat and the other is just win the corner win the game. Both maps have flat spawns and barely any vegetation.

Molendijk and vineyards are great, slow maps but I prefer that, mines is good design but the map itself is too small for high tier

[river canopy]

Vineyards does have a serious balance problem. I have literally never seen South Spawn lose unless they go city

[modern maple]

I have seen them lose plenty of times

[north zodiac]

what about normandy? i play as a TD and the map is completely shit there is no good spot for me and the middle is hulldown mania so the side with less tds and more hulldown tanks/good mediums wins

[peak lake]

I dont really care about Normandy, sure it's a bad map but I just dont really care about it, I've gotten used to it so I know alot of tactics

[stone tendon]

Thats the only bad thing about the map, lack of positions for TDs

[north zodiac]

and also that the difference of the terrain levels is too high

[marble gyro]

nah it's workable, since the whole game is basically decided around the central windmill

[north zodiac]

what is wrong with port bay?

[halcyon wren]

New Bay city sucks, one side gets hulldown, the other side gets a literal hut and some concrete blocks as cover

just look at any tournament game there.

[north zodiac]

i mean in pubs it is pretty balanced

[dapper sigil]

Corner is way too important, and if your heavies don’t push over the ridge or don’t take the C ridge then it’s an instant loss

[halcyon wren]

any tourn game where one side has the park wins almost 9/10 times

The hut team cannot easily dislodge a team in the park area

park team just needs to hold firm et voilà, free win

[dreamy wave]

Middleburg and mines are the worst in my opinion and they need to go or a rework😫

[scenic stratus]

Or atleast remove mines from high tier pool.

Also Normandy is a pretty good map. Well I suppose the closer you are to the beach the less relevant your position is. Besides not have excellent positions for tds to camp doesn't make the map bad. Maps that do that are often much more campy and not as well regarded. Like mines, campstilla, dead rail.

[dreamy wave]

I was thinking what if the devs created a really large maps and then bring a new battle royal mode where 30 tanks face each other to the finally winner. And also add a platoon mode for it which would be 15 teams of 2. That would be really fun😁. Think about it guys🙂

[proper fiber]

They did something like that on pc i think

[dreamy wave]

They should add this to blitz then

[fringe pollen]

More storage 💀

[proper fiber]

Yeah its already 5GB+ for mobile

[fringe pollen]

Without hd graphic?

[proper fiber]

With

[stone tendon]

Map concept - 535x535 - Redo of this:#maps-discussion message

[fringe pollen]

Not another castilla

[balmy gate]

Depends on how deep the river is

[lament widget]

Looks a bit biased to red

[coral valley]

Maybe u can make a Sniping Position for TD in both Teams area

[stone tendon]

Distance from the castle?

[stone tendon]

Both teams have sniping positions near spawn.

[quaint bay]

Looks awesome

[ancient flax]

lol reminds me of that one wot map that they had to remove cuz it was too campy

[stone tendon]

I’m sure the cap location would reduce the camping problem

[lament widget]

which map was that?

[ancient flax]

its Komarin

almost looks like the one the guy made as a prototype

[lament widget]

ah. i thought you were talking about blitz still

[ancient flax]

but it got removed since most games end in a draw

[stone tendon]

Oh hehe Komarin

Dont worry the water near the 2 corner bridges is passable so it wont have to same merry go round gameplay

[potent shore]

its a little too flat but i like the concept

the hills are good but you don’t want that everywhere

create different sections of the map where the elevation is high or low enough where it prevents crossfire from across the map

that doesnt always have to be the case, some crossmaps are not bad

[desert portal]

Where these maps at?

[modern maple]

The first two pictures are Hellas

The third picture reminds me of Ghost Factory from as viewed from the medium side ditch

Generally I believe that the third and fourth picture are early versions of Ghost Factory

And the last gives me medium side of Yukon vibes

[stone tendon]

Ye last one is early Yukon

[fringe pollen]

What is the best map in your opinion

[wide shale]

Imo Faust

[dusky charm]

Mines :troll:

[fringe pollen]

📮
sus

[dusky charm]

Actually, I really like Mines. But my favourite map might be Dead Rail since I am a td and ht main

[wide shale]

How is any class “toxic”

[faint lynx]

Ur definitely a bit of uhhh… two years late

[fringe pollen]

Lol

[stone tendon]

Canal

Real tanking

[elfin moth]

Pic 1 and 2 are Hellas
3 and 4 is Ghost Factory
5th is Yukon

[fringe pollen]

This chat is ded
Anyways why won't the game let me play on Mines

[pearl belfry]

Idk. I like that map but I cant seem to get in it either.

[steady gate]

i love mines, mines and castilla. because both make you work....😎
call me stupid...

[wide shale]

Castilla makes you work? Most of the time I see the meds camping by the church on the hill (its in no way a castle), the heavies like to camp with the TDS

[steady gate]

on apac the teams are just hilarious. so sometimes the meds go heavies and try flank. and the heavies camp (i have seen a e100 plat camping on castilla)🤣 😭

[wide shale]

Yeah at this point if my heavy in Castilla goes over 30 km/h I’m going med side

[elfin moth]

Ngl i do agree

[trail horizon]

while mines is undoubtedly poorly designed but, whenever i see it, it feels like a bit of a break in between the other maps. after a while, the other maps all feel the same. go to one corner, hope your team goes to the right corner too and just slug it out until one corner wins. corner corner corner. mines is just a bit different. or switch out corner for redline.

[wide shale]

Dunno, everyone either goes hill or town

[trail horizon]

yeah

early battle gameplay is dogshit but mid to latter part is more... dynamic. its not just rofl or slug, feels like you can manage between shooting town and hill, proxy spot hill for the campers. small things, but a shift from the regular maps

[glad mesa]

hey guys is there any easter egg in map molendijk？

[elfin moth]

I couldn't find any:(

[dreamy wave]

When you drive on new castila map, the grass doesn't go down. Why????😐

[left comet]

Check your graphics settings, I'm fairly certain it's mainly on higher resolutions

[steady wave]

all except normandy, i hate normandy

[solemn crow]

found a caveat already

I can look through the ship's gun turret

[dreamy wave]

All my graphic settings are on high😐. Am getting scared

[left comet]

What about the grass texture thing?

[scenic stratus]

Normandy is one of the best maps :)

[stone tendon]

only works on castilla

[dreamy wave]

On castilla,the grass is supposed to go down when the tank is driving over it. It's not doing that on my device. My graphic settings are set on high. Is anyone else experiencing this?????

[ancient flax]

kekw

castilla be testing if ur pc really be deserving that "high graphics" lol

[steady gate]

amx elc bis can glitch under that lol

[stone tendon]

wow autocorrect is brutal

[marble gyro]

what graphic card do u have?

[elfin moth]

So here we can see the new Castilla
The Red marks the map boundaries (playable area)
Light Blue marks the Mines Map that we can see from Castilla
Yellow marks the Territory of Castilla (And Yellow + water was only there in 8.10< Castilla)
Purple marks the new added territory of Castilla

I would also like to point out the fact of how much terrain all maps actually have as you can see from the pic that I took 🤯

If anyone wants pics like these of another map, lemme know 😄

Non edited

[marble gyro]

that's actually impressive, how did you menage to get those shots?

[elfin moth]

Its a glitch, i'll dm u cuz i don't want wg to remove it😉

[marble gyro]

tysm!

[stone tendon]

Wow hehe thats crazy

Mines! which is supposed to be in Poland, while Castilla is supposed to be Spain :PP

[scenic stratus]

Two places that are that far apart. Looks like earth is flat. Take that globers!

[wide shale]

WoTb earth lore

[marble gyro]

WG exposed as flat earther

[elfin moth]

Thx mate⚡

[stone tendon]

Its weird, when I look at it in free cam it looks like its supposed to be an easter egg, since its such bad quality. But in yours you can see all the buildings and trails

[elfin moth]

Yup, cuz i used a glitch
If u wanna know, i can dm ye

I'll dm u how to do it xd

[steady gate]

isnt there an easter egg on mines in the cap circle? its a sign which points in 2 directions, and has on it "Castilla" and "Vineyards"🤔

[quaint bay]

yes

[quaint bay]

it's interesting

[steady gate]

lol

[high thunder]

Camp-stilla: reworked in a short time then released in the next update
Mirage and Lost Temple: WG when?

[elfin moth]

It will come
2 possibilities
Remember during the Christmas stream, Michael(level designer) had said that there will be 3 new maps in 22, Molendijk already came.
The 2nd one is the mirage rework(ig/dubbed as) with the tropical setting and a boat in the map. And the 3rd one culd be the lost temple re work

Now the 2nd possibility culd be...
As we know that a new pbr map will come every 2 update( so ideally next pbr map will come in 9.3)
Wg culd release them reworks in this pipeline too
But be assured when it comes, it will be pbr

[quaint trout]

The old non-reworked mirage and lost temple should be added as training room maps, and the water fall of mirage answell as it's Pond should stay in reworked version too.

[stone tendon]

I dont really care for mirage, but I do miss lost temple. Very old map.

[stone tendon]

by wg logic Poland is inbetween Spain and Italy lol

[quaint trout]

I like mirage more because of the waterfall

[marble gyro]

the first reason those 2 maps were removed is that they were unbalanced and too small

[elfin moth]

Rockfield sky view

Middleburg sky view

Ghost factory Sky view

Mines sky view

Legend-
Red- Map boundry
Yellow- Actual playable area
Purple- Interesting features/other cities

I actually switched off fog (except for rockfield) for clear images

[peak anvil]

i can edit the map

[lusty ravine]

Question do the rendering engine calculate collision outside of the map

[quaint trout]

Nope, shells just dissapear.

Unless you want your inferno shot in uprising to explode at mines and have to wait 30 seconds to get inferno back

[elfin moth]

Kk

[flat oar]

Is there a consensus direction(s) on Yamato Harbor? Dark Magician Girl is hills only while Droodles video suggests heavies can go A route?

[modern maple]

No. If you don‘t want to decide (and can hold your own) go middle, otherwise just go wherever you want

[flat oar]

I need to finish that DMG video because it was full of tactical tips.

[narrow anchor]

Heavies go to ship, TD's camp on bushes and others brawl in hills

[flat oar]

In short: experts say learn maps and see what good players do. But good players have no real consensus on a map by map basis. They know plenty of good spots and have their own map awareness that guides them. But in the end, a beginner should just follow Meadsy69 and Bushka's advice and follow the flow. JMO. Try to learn as much as you can, but follow the team/.

Too easy to follow good advice badly and end up yoloing.

[nocturne mortar]

Going ship isn't particularly useful. It's practically impossible to push because the cover is set up so it's a choke point with lots of cover for defending, so you need a serious tank gun and hp advantage to move. You also can't spot who's covering the side independently so you can't know whether you can push. The hills need to be covered no matter what, once you get a breakthrough it's easy to push, it's just hard to get a breakthrough when it's evenly matched, so the teams focus should be on that area. The centre is most useful if all the reds go hills because then it opens up opportunities to be aggressive through the middle and create crossfires, but it also means that you won't have as much of a presence on the hills so you need to make it count, no use sitting there covering positions because your teammates will be losing hp.

Tldr:
Med - go hills, if team follows go aggressive, if team doesn't go passive and prepare to run once you spot the reds
TD - go hills/bushes covering hills and don't let a red poke without bleeding. You need to be preaimed and ready to fire
Heavies - go mid if you feel risky and aggressive, hills if you aren't

[stone tendon]

It just makes the game unnecessarily larger

And it’s already over 6gb

[stone tendon]

On my pc it’s 6.1

[marble gyro]

"things" on pc are always heavier

[wild marsh]

Ight. Can someone help me? This happend when i spawn top part of the map. According to the minimap. So i cant look at a certain diraction if you could say so

Point is. Its so Hard to play when you cant see a Hill or the ground infront of you

[wild marsh]

Kinda fixed it. But now the grass makes it super laggy

[modern maple]

Turn down flora graphical settings

[daring epoch]

dude spamming "hi" in every channel

[median olive]

left screen : on castille

you can see gun of amx 13 90 IN the house. tank is IN the house.

[wide shale]

you didn't know guns don't have a actual hitbox except to shells?

[stone tendon]

hehe schnose

[quaint bay]

Epic

[sage socket]

Castila bad for the sole purpose of burning my phone

[vapid silo]

what do you guys do when your entire randoms team is lemminging a flank and your in a very slo TD? (do you lag behind or straight up lemming with them?) to chill in the back could result in getting CODed by lights, while to lemming would risk the entire team getting flanked and surrounded

[quaint trout]

Just lemming, atleast you die with your team or even use your teammates as meatshields, to just stay you are just asking to get swarmed by LTs

[vapid silo]

good point

[shadow trail]

Husky!

:p

[vapid silo]

:))))

[wooden quartz]

Is Mines a polish map?

[stone tendon]

yep

file name is rudniki iirc

[wooden quartz]

10/10 best map so far

[quaint bay]

On deser theres Sand worm

[marble gyro]

he just found out, as if it didn't exist for 5 years 💀

[lament widget]

Try shooting it

[kindred latch]

Also there are sand worms in the background

[valid heron]

Tbh that's not even that much for a PC game

Most mmos are over 10 easily

[narrow vector]

I'm pretty sure the pc version of blitz is the exact same thing as the mobile, so file sizes should be similar

[peak lake]

We need a map with the Eiffel Tower to go along with the French tanks

Atleast have the tower in the background, have the battlefield a mix between town and open area like molendijk

[wide shale]

Maps like those end up being town never gets used 99% of the time and IF you do go town everyone yells at you for being stupid and going town like Middleburg

[stone tendon]

Just stop making maps with urban areas, they almost never work because it is unnatural for tanks to fight in that sort of environment

[peak lake]

Tanks always fought in both urban and rural areas? Faster tanks were designed for being on dirt roads and going faster on paved/brick roads than other common armored vehicles, mediums were meant to support infantry and other lines of defense while heavies were meant to be used at frontal attacks, tanks went through urban areas to get to militarized locations and break down defenses such as large fences, anti-aircraft weaponry, and to create a blockade against enemies to help troops proceed deeper into enemy territory, they were literal armored moving houses with guns ontop of them

[peak lake]

I dont care if my team cries, I'm always great at defending myself in town like areas, unlike hills they cant peek their turret over it and they have to expose themselves around corners

[zinc trout]

Armies try to avoid urban areas at all costs. Urban areas are a death trap for the attackers. However, if you have to take a city, then a tank supported by infantry is the way to do it.

[peak lake]

Exactly, tanks are a great advantage in cities due them being pretty much immune to most explosives and small artillery fire, buildings provide great coverage for such heavy moving vehicles that are looking to hit an objective

[zinc trout]

Tanks aren’t even that great in cities, they’re just used because it’s hard to shoot an infantryman behind a tank. Cities are tall, taller than tanks. Defenders can sit above them with anti-tank weapons and kill the tanks rather easily. This is why taking a city involves going through each building quickly and violently, disrupting the defenders ability to use their fortifications. The tank is just there in case the enemy has decided to set up a machine gun at the end of a street or something like that

[peak lake]

I'm not talking about cities like whatever that nightmare wargaming created, basically New York, I'm talking about smaller towns, not completely urban areas but more of neighborhoods

[zinc trout]

At that point it’s a matter of amassing infantry behind tanks and then storming in with overwhelming numbers. It is still not favorable, but more possible to take

[peak lake]

Storming a city is a death wish, storming a town is a mission

[zinc trout]

Cities can be taken with a bit of planning and preparation. If you cannot bombard the city with artillery or bomber planes, cut off its supply route.

[peak lake]

Yeah, with tanks

To be honest tanks were only moving artillery, one hit and all it took was reverberation to confuse the crew and allow them to be vulnerable

They were actually pretty useless, all they were was moving bunkers

[wide shale]

Maus and T28 superheavy:

[zinc trout]

Tanks were a massive advantage in a fight. Having armor and a big gun against infantry was huge for your side’s morale. It also disheartened the enemy if they didn’t have tanks. Then there’s the fact that a tank can see the battlefield and see what area needs help, whereas artillery could be miles away and we’re just working with coordinates

[peak lake]

Maus and T28 were too expensive to produce and took a lot of time and maintenance to keep them running however they were really different to get into certain compartments considering they had to take apart a lot of the tank to access things such as suspension, fuel, and the engine

[wide shale]

You pretty much just stated all tanks in general, mostly german tanks

[peak lake]

They were only bulletproof vehicles, an assualt vehicle could do the same thing, an Anti-tank mine, Anti-tank round launcher, both could take out a tank pretty quickly, dont get me wrong it was really a large advantage to have them but alot of them didn't operate well enough and they were pretty big gas guzzlers

@wide shale lol pretty much, except for the Sherman, that was a good tank

[zinc trout]

A lot of them operated well, especially during German blitzkriegs where tanks were used en masse to break enemy lines and then keep going.

[wide shale]

Sherman was a decent tank that could be built relatively cheaply and quickly that served its purpose in the US army, you have to remember they had hard times fighting tanks like the Tiger I

[zinc trout]

What stopped the German blitzkrieg first? Soviets using even more tanks and anti-tank weapons in a defensive line. All in all, tanks were beasts on the battlefield that could change the tide of battle just by being there

[peak lake]

I'm saying a good shot with small artillery could set one on fire or break down their engine, again gas guzzlers

[wide shale]

The US kept using the Sherman because of its reliability, no other US tank had that as well as the Sherman, also why they build like 100 variants of the Sherman 🗿

[peak lake]

Nah nah, 200

[zinc trout]

Air strikes against tanks were largely ineffective. And they were using 500 pound bombs. And they could see the tanks. Do you realize how hard it is to actually hit a tank with artillery?

[peak lake]

Besides praying to god that you actually hit it, reverberations and high temperatures were all it took to damage the crew

[zinc trout]

Reverberations meant actually hitting the tank, which mostly happened from other tanks or anti-tank guns. High temperatures could be vented out.

[wide shale]

Despite tanks being rather “weak” against certain weapons, they can still be vital in battlefields, having a vehicle that could drive around the destroy enemy fortifications without taking much damage is a great thing to have, even if tanks are “1 shot” by anti tank weapons the enemy still needs to build those weapons and learn how to use them

[peak lake]

I am not saying tanks are bad, tanks are great but they have weaknesses, they were not invincible in battle

[peak lake]

Reverberations can be caused by nearby explosives from just 25 feet away

[zinc trout]

They were not invincible, but they could take a lot of time and resources to take down

[wide shale]

Exactly

[zinc trout]

To cause enough reverberations to stop a tank crew, you’d need to hit the tank. Otherwise any stray bullet that hit the tank would stop it.

[peak lake]

Not saying it needs to stop the crew, it needs to confuse the crew, an explosion can shake the crew quite a bit

[zinc trout]

Maybe a new crew, but not an experienced crew

[wide shale]

Different question but what would make a crew more experienced?

[zinc trout]

Just fighting battles, winning, doing general tank stuff

[peak lake]

It's a lot more than that

[zinc trout]

And just confusing a tank crew for a few seconds is not enough to stop the tank

[peak lake]

A loader has to constantly chuck heavy shells into the gun to load it, this can cause large amounts of stress but it's a good workout, the driver has to worry about where they're going due to the viewports only seeing in specific angles and wherever the turret it looking, they can almost never look up or directly down so they had to contemplate whether they were about to fall in a ditch or not, did I mention its absolutely deafening inside of a tank? The loud engine, the gun firing, bullets ricocheting and nearby explosions booming across the area

[zinc trout]

As i Said, a new tank crew might be overwhelmed, but experienced crews wouldn’t be as affected. Besides, the a good Tank Commander, and the fact that you’re in a literal tank, can give the crew a morale boost of the fact they have the least mortality rate of any soldier in the battlefield, and that they can pretty much go wherever they want to, wreaking havoc on enemy lines

[peak lake]

Except for areas with Anti-Tank mines, other tanks, terrain with a lot of ditches and holes, anywhere with too much smoke

One country has a tank, and the rest suddenly have hundreds, it was common for tank-on-tank combat in WWII

Especially in dense warzone areas, both crew have least mortality rate but that doesnt mean its low

[zinc trout]

Minefields are very easy to spot, so anti-tank mines weren’t so much for killing tanks as they were for making an area unreachable for tanks. Tank ditches could be solved by friend combat engineers. And areas with smoke were avoided by everyone, not just tanks.

[zinc trout]

It actually was very low, less than 1% in American tanks iirc

[peak lake]

Minefields are not easy to spot, mines are literally under the dirt and hidden in the grass, its hard to spot them unless you're looking close or have a metal detector

[zinc trout]

The British casualty rate was higher, but that’s because they didn’t wear helmets like the Yanks

[wide shale]

As a soldier in a battlefield everything happening around you is already deafening, a whole lotta gunfire explosions and whatever else is there

[zinc trout]

Minefields are very easy to spot. A nice, large, flat open field? Yup, that’s a minefield.

[peak lake]

Mines can be planted.. anywhere, a forest, a town, a desert, and yeah of course an open area

The only issue is that they're visible in a town but not in the rest of what I mentioned

[zinc trout]

One mine is not really enough to do damage. And besides, anti-tank mines mostly only took off the tracks of a tank, it didn’t actually kill it.

[wide shale]

Using deductive reasoning and past experience can lead you to believe where minefields are, anywhere else like a town you would probably use minesweepers before you send everything in

[peak lake]

Enough to disable it and cause reverberations though

[zinc trout]

^^^ combined arms warfare. Sending infantry with tanks, such as combat engineers, to easily clear away hazards that a tank may face

[zinc trout]

Oh boy, Lemme take a few hours to repair my track and then I’m back on course to take out your entire fortification.

[wide shale]

Im certain cases a crew may leave the tank when it gets immobilized, like case mate tanks, although I would assume if a crew can still operate along with still being able to fight when they lose their track(s) they probably will still fight

[peak lake]

Minefields dont have to be in a field, that's what they call multiple mines together, mines can literally be everywhere

[zinc trout]

Combined arms warfare changed the battle field entirely. We went from trench warfare to a more modern battlefield in a matter of about 30 years because of the invention of the tank

[peak lake]

By the time its repaired, the tank is already damaged and vulnerable, you dont have an entire spare suspension do you?

[zinc trout]

It’s repaired, and the only damaged part is the track. Not really an issue, more an inconvenience.

[wide shale]

There are vehicles that tow tanks back behind the front line for repair iirc

[zinc trout]

There’s also the fact that the tank still has a crew and a fully traverseable turret

[peak lake]

They're called anti-tank for a reason, they kill tanks, they disable them, they hold enough power to send them a foot off of the ground

[wide shale]

I would keep fighting if the fighting was near my tracked tank

[zinc trout]

No they don’t lol, they mostly just disabled the tracks.

[peak lake]

You've seen it happen? Not in movies

[wide shale]

That would be a excessively large mine to send a tank a foot into the air 🗿

[peak lake]

It seems people forget what an explosion is

[zinc trout]

I’ve seen and know what an anti-tank mine is. It’s a small HEAT warhead with a large rod sticking out of the ground

[peak lake]

It's a pressure detect explosive, anything with a rod is a sea-mine

[zinc trout]

Anti-tank mine

They do not hold enough power to lift a tank off the ground any more than an inch, if that

[wide shale]

Tbh if a tank did activate one of those it would be blowing up under the track anyway

[peak lake]

Not what I've seen, ive seen a lot of anti-tank mines that are larger than normal mines, more spread out

[zinc trout]

They are larger, but not near as powerful as you seem to think they are

[peak lake]

Again an explosion is literally able to lift a whole aircraft carrier elevator door 50 feet into the air

[wide shale]

If those mines are still pressure activated then they would blow up under the track, ripping apart the suspension at worst, not the main armor

[peak lake]

Of course not the main armor, they can move the tank though

[zinc trout]

If it’s big enough, yes. These mines are not near that size

[peak lake]

It only takes a small amount of power to shatter a house

[zinc trout]

Maybe a poorly built house

[wide shale]

Yes explosions are powerful, some explosions from the ammoracks of a entire battleship could life it into the air a couple of feet, but thats alot of explosion

[peak lake]

No, not at all, I've seen nice well built homes turn into splinters and rubble under an explosion to one of the main walls

[zinc trout]

How big were those explosions exactly?

[wide shale]

Well then you lost a wall, not the whole house

[peak lake]

How do you think houses are built

@zinc trout a little bigger than a hand grenade, special chemical mixture, not just gun powder

[wide shale]

The walls hold up the house, but just knocking down 1 wall wouldn’t take down the entire house, you would have to at least damage another wall

[peak lake]

One wall go boom, sure house can stand, but when the rest of the house suffers a shockwave, debris flying through the rest of the walls, a fireball and then one wall gone, that can put enough stress on it to make it collapse

[zinc trout]

https://youtu.be/ReeymNBk02I here’s a modern anti-tank mine. See how despite being very close, the mine-clearer isn’t moved at all? Think about how much heavier actual tanks are compared to this little mine-clearer. You aren’t moving the tank at all.

[wide shale]

Yeah, I can understand if a shockwave and other aftereffects can affect the rest of the house structure bringing it down

[peak lake]

Okay those must've been some very light tanks because I've seem then get lifted into the air for half a second

[zinc trout]

Half a second is not enough to lift it a foot up.

[wide shale]

Pretty sure WW II tanks were heavier then moderns tanks now, at least some of them

[zinc trout]

Anti-tank mines are great for taking off tracks, but not killing the tank

I’m general, tanks were killed by hand held weapons used by enemy infantry

[peak lake]

It can take any amount of time to lift anything up, take a rocket for example, it takes it 2 seconds to be 10 feet off of the ground already, an explosion sends things into the air faster than they can come down

[zinc trout]

It has to send them up faster, otherwise gravity would keep it down lol

[peak lake]

That's what an explosion is

[zinc trout]

No, an explosion is a chemical reaction

[wide shale]

Talking about how fast/high something gets lifted into the air is complex stuff 🗿
Thats alot of math to do, calculate the weight, force of explosions, and point of explosion, I’m sure there is more too

[peak lake]

Everything is a chemical reaction, an explosion can be caused by anything, fire can cause gun powder to go off, and a spark can make an engine start working again

[wide shale]

At this point you might as well say if you detonate the tanks ammorack that might be enough to lift it into the air

[zinc trout]

I know

[peak lake]

Well, the turret

[zinc trout]

Sometimes, but the turret doesn’t always come off

[wide shale]

Depends on the placement of the ammorack/s

[zinc trout]

It could just blow open the hatches

[peak lake]

Usually happens with autoloaders, but other times it finds other ways to vent the explosions like.. out the hatch, out the barrel

[red lake]

Mines can’t cause tanks to flip that’s IEDS

Also you do know a rocket is pretty much riding off a continuous explosion or in a very simplified term an explosion set to 0.5 Frame rate

[peak lake]

You do know it was a comparison right?

I'm comparing how powerful an explosion can be, how far it can send something upwards, I also didnt say anything about a tank flipping I said about a tank being sent a foot into the air for half a second

I know an explosion is powerful but it's not that powerful

[hollow stone]

ignores hydrogen bomb

[peak lake]

We dont talk about that one

[steady gate]

😭 gone😭

[bold knoll]

Ellooo

I made a guide on Mines map, be sure to check it and CRITICISE and COMMEND it. I mean, just comment on it...

https://wotblitz-strategysectorz.blogspot.com/2022/06/introduction-mines-is-summer-map.html

Btw, when is Mirage coming back? My first battle was on that map and I got many memories there and I kinda miss it...

[quaint trout]

They reworked the map, I won't be the same as old one when it comes out.

Though I hope they keep the old one for training rooms and fun gamemodes where balanced maps doesn't matter(like Gravity mode)

[marble gyro]

balanced maps always matter; also no, they won't add maps just for TRs

[warped ibex]

Anything with as much objects and buildings as possible is balanced enough if it's in gravity mode and there are VK's zooming around

[quaint trout]

But I want to experience the old maps again, they look darn good and I like old mirage alot :(

[marble gyro]

the fact that you liked it doesn't mean that it was balanced, in fact Mirage gave a position advantage to the north spawn and also the desert part of the map was basically usless

[quaint trout]

I don't usually spawn on the north, plus I'm saying that I want it back even on training rooms only, or even just on tier 1-5 matchmaking

[marble gyro]

you spawn 50/50 in each spawn so idk what this statement was supposed to mean
And i repeat, wg won't add a map just for TRs, because the main use of TRs should be train for tournaments so there's no point adding there a map which isn't playable in tours

[quaint trout]

Wait it's first supposed for tourneys only?

Wow no wonder everyone immediately made things like dating rooms and stuff.

Still tho, I want old mirage just for exploration, plus macragge and the Halloween rockfield

[marble gyro]

the initial thought was to have a place where competitive teams could try tactics and fight others to prepare for tours, even though i don't mind that it also became something else

[quaint bay]

At new update will be aded new maps?

[quaint trout]

Proof?

[quaint bay]

I dont have proof im asking.

[quaint trout]

Hmm ok, well nobody really knows if they gonna drop new maps, or even drop the revamped Mirage and lost temple maps

[quaint bay]

I liked about the Lost Temple map. It had that eastern country style and on tournaments it was quite fun.

[dreamy wave]

What have they done to the mimap????

[quaint trout]

Idk really

You talking about the July teaser minimap right?