vehicles-discussion

[blissful osprey]

Nah, just do it the WoT way and not have a crew at all!

[plucky summit]

Tankenstein moment

[radiant coral]

what crew? 💀

[kindred wren]

Heh.

So yes, I suppose the Grille is just a carriage and the open back is not so much of a hinderance as a perk

By the way, modern arty system are usually designed with shoot and scoot tactics in mind, so they have an autoloader that can be refilled from outside which makes it a lot easier to pack up because all the shells that you prepared to fire are nicely packed in the magazine while the rest are on/ at your supply truck

[past crane]

A bit of an interesting off topic thing, but I believe I found the Vickers Light. It was part of the development of the Vickers MBT, but I wasn’t sure if WG just made up a light version or not (clearly the Vickers Light 105 ingame appeared to be inspired by the Vickers MBT project)
Well, now I know that it was actually somewhat of a real thing, thank you Armored Archives for providing lots of info on obscure vehicles!

[blissful osprey]

Part? How so? Concept design prior to the Vickers MBT?

[past crane]

Pretty much essentially
Just a lighter version of a Vickers Mk1 essentially afaik, it uses the same gun and a similar turret just on a smaller chassis

[plucky summit]

I seriously don't understand why these things are classified, given how obsolete they've become. But maybe it's just the governments of the respective nations not caring or having the time to declassify them

[valid gale]

France still refuses to declassify ww2 equipment

[past crane]

Probably the latter
They just don’t want to cause they’re maybe just lazy or don’t want to cause they have no time…?

[plucky summit]

To speak for the US, the government tends not to do such unimportant things 🤷‍♂️

That whole Challenger 2 in War Thunder thing was funny, though

[valid gale]

They literally send a random Pershing to a museum once and it turned out to be the last surviving E4 model

[past crane]

Also funny, the FV301 IRL was a totally different vehicle, what most people and what blitz calls the “FV301” was actually the Vickers Medium Cruiser Mk1, the FV301 is similar in design but looks very different.
Not sure where WG got the idea for the turret on the Vickers CR though…

[plucky summit]

They min-maxed space with ugliness

[valid gale]

It’s obvious that one is made up as it lacks inefficient space and lacks a lot of basic necessary components for a tank

[past crane]

That was hilarious, people taking a game way too seriously.

[blissful osprey]

They're too scared the rest of the world will laugh at them smh

[plucky summit]

As undeniably attractive as FT AC was, I'd like to see more concepts

[blissful osprey]

"What's this? Yet another boxy, 2-man tank? Are you cavemen? Hahahahaha!"

[plucky summit]

I should make a concept sheet for one

[blissful osprey]

I wanna just get the IS-7 line over with. I already tried with the IS, I might as well get at least the IS-8.

[plucky summit]

Well, unlike E5, you're actually grinding it for the good tier 10, so why stop?

[median delta]

Is this a place where I can post pics of tanks I saw irl or no

[hollow moth]

Well, if it shots, it's useful.

[blissful osprey]

Uh, the pain of 5 degree gun depression and 175mm pen?

[blissful osprey]

It's a French blueprint for sale! Drawn up once, never again!

[hollow moth]

#general-blitz-discussion #off-topic-discussion #vehicles-discussion

[blissful osprey]

Er, less #general-blitz-discussion because if there's a discussion going on it would be rude to post a photo there.

[plucky summit]

You're afraid of a literal stock grind?
That's what fXP is for, but not for getting new tanks

[hollow moth]

M60 Patton, M26 Pershing and that AA woth double cannons that I remember frpm War Thunder

[blissful osprey]

Well, screw me, I guess.

[median delta]

I got more

[plucky summit]

Welcome to the traditional WoTB experience

[blissful osprey]

Don't worry, I can gain more credits through a nice 2 month long session with the Super Persh

[plucky summit]

Voluntarily using Spersh? Alright then

[plucky summit]

You just reposted...

[median delta]

Mybad lmao but here

[blissful osprey]

Spersh? What an odd name. I love it.

[plucky summit]

Mk

[hollow moth]

Where did you take those pictures? There's even a battleship/heavy cruiser behind there @median delta

[median delta]

It’s not letting me send certain ones but I saw all these about 10 mins ago

[median delta]

There’s a submarine and a battle ship and I went through tours of both and a sr-71 blackbird and some more stuff

[blissful osprey]

Or, I could go the easy way and sell the AX because I hate that thing with a passion.

@hollow moth They're at the USS Alabama.

[plucky summit]

Fellow Alabamian? =O

[median delta]

Man found them real fast lmao but ye uss Alabama has a lot of stuff

[hollow moth]

Perhaps a T-60 or T-62
Pershing
Man, I've got no idea about what is this one
M4 sherman with A3 hull

[median delta]

I would send their info that was with each tank but ion wanna get banned for leaking info like the whole war thunder British centurion incidents

[median delta]

I’ll send in dms if I have one for that m4

[hollow moth]

Those are all obsolete and well knows tanks, there's not actual problem

[blissful osprey]

It looks like a Type 59 to me, somehow.

[median delta]

i have some pics of current tanks like the abrams and stuff

[hollow moth]

Abrams isn't that new, but there's still secretes about what are all the components of it's armor iirc

[median delta]

Ig

[plucky summit]

BH finally let 8.10 changes out

Why does this have to be noted? xD
Surely nobody went and physically changed these values, and it's purely based on algorithmic application

[valid gale]

Wasn’t that due to the weird bug where it made it look like every tank had a slight camo buff

[plucky summit]

While still, many premium/collector tanks got an alleged buff of:
Heavies: 2
Mediums: 3
Lights: 3
TDs: 4

Also now Jageroo is penetrable frontally by HE

👏👏👏

[faint walrus]

whats the best td line?

[blissful osprey]

So, first game in the IS-3. No new modules researched or anything. Turns out D-25T prammo ain't that bad.

[mystic sleet]

Define "best"

[blissful osprey]

Sorry, they can't. They just ask "what best tank for tier bajillion" and hope they get a good answer smh

[civic iron]

and most of them are born in 2013

[strange thicket]

that is why i don't grind a new line unless i am sitting on 150k fxp
i cba to stock grind anymore 💀
and it is easy to accumulate fxp with prem time, boosters and premium tanks

[faint walrus]

faster tds like the tier V Stug G but still pack a punch

[blissful osprey]

Well, luckily for you, we recommend the 268. Fast, and punchy! You won't regret it.

[hard cedar]

you will definitely regret it 🤝

[misty wing]

Steampunk skins when

[blissful osprey]

Shhh, they can’t know anything

[odd cove]

how to play sheridan

[blissful osprey]

To quote Fatness: “A shotgun light.” Basically, get close to slow targets, pump a shell into them, and drive away into the sunset, until 14.5 seconds later when you’re ready to pump yet another shell into some unfortunate HT. You really can’t do much in MT/LT brawls; if you feel like you’re in a position to mess around with them without taking a lot of damage, then abuse it. However, you might find yourself abusing HT lanes, due to a general lack of high DPM LT hunters.

What you need to take from this is to avoid most LTs and MTs, try to take as little damage as possible, and try to get close enough to actually hit and pen the target. I personally recommend Calibrated Shells; it makes every shot you connect have a greater chance of penetrating, which is key in a tank that can’t throw a lot of metal around like the Sheridan.

[rigid thunder]

In order,
T-55
M26
M60A1
M4A4

[blissful osprey]

It said T-55 rip me

[shell robin]

do you think WG would consider an Italian tech tree? their heavy line works well enough, it has a light tank from tier 2 to move into tier 1 (L6/40), it's got everything.

[thorny smelt]

Rinoceronte line?

[shell robin]

can you think of another Italian heavy line?

I just figured Italy could be it's own nation unlike Poland, Czech, or Sweden.

[blissful osprey]

We already have an Italian line. I doubt we need more heavies up-ending the meta any more than they already have.

[shell robin]

I mean a pure Italian tech tree, with it's own low tiers. As for the Italian heavies, the Rinoceronte is considered one of the worst heavy lines in PC. If stats carried over, it'd hardly make much of a difference.

[blissful osprey]

We don’t need another HT.

[shell robin]

then what about a potential italian td line, comprised of semoventes?

[blissful osprey]

From what I can tell, nothing special. Basically, MTs turned into casemates, but without any insane mobility.

[shell robin]

at least they aren't HTs turned into casemates

regardless, a standalone italian tech tree should still be something to consider.

[blissful osprey]

Amazing, let’s give everyone a bunch of TDs who generally have smaller guns than their competitors because that’s smart. Let’s take the 105/25. You place at tier VI, it’s just a ARL V 39 without the the cupola. Place it at VII, and it competes with stuff like the JPain-ther and the T25AT. You’re not really giving the Italians many options here except be a mediocre line that probably can’t compete.

Their biggest gunned SPG? A 149mm gun. But it has pretty much no gun depression, a gun that doesn’t seem anything special, and no further advancements. This line isn’t going anywhere.

[shell robin]

it seems you and I have different ideas on what a line should be based off of

[blissful osprey]

Then how about you show them so I can have a better idea. All I’m getting is basically a middling line that probably can’t even get past Tier VIII unless WeeGee pulls some really thin threads with the “making fake tanks” Department.

[misty wing]

Nothing wrong with adding fake tanks, or heavies for that matter
You're just being nitpicky

[shell robin]

If you're so deathly afraid of heavy tanks, It wouldn't be the first time a tech tree had only one line. Besides, like I said, Rinoceronte is a tad bit garbo (and by tad bit, I mean runner up for the worst heavy in tier 10)

[blissful osprey]

I don’t see a problem with that. It’s that, there’s nothing really that makes the Italians stand out. Trust me, an Italian tree does sound like fun. But aside from those heavy tanks, there’s nothing else. The TDs are really weird. There’s 47mm guns, then 75mm, then 105mm guns. Then there’s that one with the 149mm, but nothing else after that. That’s the very farthest the Italians went with SPGs and TDs.

[kindred wren]

just add Centauro

[misty wing]

As long as they look unique, they're unique enough to be worth adding

[acoustic galleon]

Wargaming doesn't care about this though.

[shell robin]

^^^
@acoustic galleon oh good, i'm not the only one with the same conclusion

[blissful osprey]

Fine then.

But if the Italians are getting added my E5 gets a buff.

[shell robin]

and my ho ri and chi ri gets a nerf

[blissful osprey]

Eh, the Ho-Ri’s fine. It doesn’t really need a nerf.

[shell robin]

there is no reason for it to go 50 km/h

[misty wing]

How in the world does ho ri need a nerf lmao

[shell robin]

i just implied nerf the top speed

[misty wing]

Nah

[blissful osprey]

The Ho-Ri’s fine as it is.

[shell robin]

you get nearly 20 tons added to the tank and you somehow have a higher top speed than the original Chi-Ri?

[rigid thunder]

by like, 2. lol

[shell robin]

it's still higher

[misty wing]

I guess it's not very logical, but then they'd have to buff something else to keep it balanced. So not a nerf overall

[humble nacelle]

The M3-Lee appeared on the premium pass

[blissful osprey]

It’s not like you’re ever going that 50 in any case.

[rigid thunder]

if this being an arcade game with completely fictitious tank stats doesn't answer why that's the case, you can just attribute it to having a different transmission

[humble nacelle]

I finally can get it

[shell robin]

i'm not sure why you'd want it anyways other than historical prowess (which the lee never really had either)

[humble nacelle]

It's the tank I always wanted so I'm getting it

[misty wing]

M3 Lee looks cool and has a cool name

[shell robin]

i guess the name is decent. I will admit though, Lee does look otherworldly.

@humble nacelle congrats on getting it (if you do)

[rotund wave]

M3 lee ? I have M3 lee before in the previous event so if i restore my M3 lee back. And bought premium past. Does that mean i can get a refund of 100 gold?

[blissful osprey]

What? Explain that a bit more.

[rotund wave]

I can show you the thing.

[blissful osprey]

Sure go ahead.

[rotund wave]

This is the tank i have (i bought it like 4 times and sold it because Tier IV tooks long to enter the battle)

Probably the tank was on uh idontknow Update 8.6? I think it was 8.4 i dont really remember where the tank or event was started you know what i mean

[blissful osprey]

The M3 Lee now and before has always been the same. You'll just get some gold back.

[faint swan]

the jagdtiger is so slow

[blissful osprey]

Deal with it; you get 3.5k DPM, decent armor, 3.5k DPM, good accuracy, did I say 3.5k DPM? and 3.5k DPM.

[faint swan]

quite slow to use all that 3500 dpm.....

[blissful osprey]

Then don't play the tank lmao

[faint swan]

mY cReDiTs.....

[lyric copper]

you don’t need to be frontline to do it

2nd line usually works

Plus it’s 460 alpha

unlike the Tortoise’s or 122-54’s 400

[faint swan]

hmm

[blissful osprey]

"The tank's too slow boohoo"

Too bad, the gun's a laser, pens nearly everything it needs to, has the alpha to scare off enemies, and you got the armor to compensate.

Any more ridiculous complaints?

[lyric copper]

Tort vs Jagtiger?

Jagtiger always wins

better armour and alpha leads to that

[faint swan]

hmm ok seems fair

[lyric copper]

Jagtiger imo is the 2nd best tier 9 TD by far

[blissful osprey]

Yeah, it seems fair so stop with this complaint. I think I've already seen this one from you twice before and it's just as annoying.

[solid gate]

I think IS 7 needs a armor nerf in sides

The reason of nerf: JGPZ E 100 didnt pen IS 7 in side 💀

Is that bug or what?

[lyric copper]

aim issue

[blissful osprey]

Aim issue.

[solid gate]

nonono i clearly saw it didnt pen in side

[lyric copper]

half of the IS-7 side is a black hole

you just gotta know where to shoot

[blissful osprey]

Just because it's a TD does not guarantee a pen to the side of any IS-7 at any given moment. You aimed at the wrong spot, and that's on you.

[solid gate]

Theres even print that it didnt pen

[blissful osprey]

print what?

[solid gate]

of the AP shell

[lyric copper]

the text that tells you it didn’t pen

that’s just an aiming issue

[blissful osprey]

The IS-7's side is just weird. accept the non-pen and carry on as you EU players do.

[solid gate]

ok 👍

when i dont pen the IS 7 next time on JGPZ i will send screenshot

[blissful osprey]

Please don't because I don't want to see your aim issues in any form other than text, which is bad enough.

[acoustic oracle]

alright so i need help getting good at the leopard 1, any advice? (i already know the basics but i still suck)

[misty wing]

It's not that we don't believe you lol, it's just that you aimed at the wrong spot, hence you didn't pen

[plucky summit]

You're hitting spaced armor, behind which is a very effectively angled plate. Only in an easily direct hit on the side should guarantee a TD that it'll pen (unless you used HEAT, then it gets risky even with a slight angle)

Remember how Russian pike noses often are, this is showing only the main armor (and external modules but doesn't matter)

[past fractal]

He said he didnt pen it in the side armor
Unlike ur NA friends, I understand him. Its literal black hole sides, and can be bounced if u dont aim it

[blissful hamlet]

You forgot the 3994 dpm
@solid gate i liked the Könstrukta

[misty wing]

except we understood him very well
he's using the image from the front to show how steeply angled the sides are

[plucky summit]

Well the gripe is how the response was "Aim issue", which was only a point in the right direction instead of a guide

[misty wing]

nah, I think his gripe was that he didn't understand why you showed an image of the tank's front

[past fractal]

I mean
He said he didnt pen sides
But u show the gun mantlet

[misty wing]

Like I said
He's using the image from the front so you can see just how angled the sides are
If you have a side-on view of the tank, you really can't tell

[past fractal]

Oh I must’ve misunderstood it
I thought it meant the actual sides itself, not the frontal angle of the sides

[plucky summit]

Black arrow = shell trajectory
Red line = angled armor plate
Thin line = nominal plate angle

[misty wing]

he does mean the "sides itself" though

[past fractal]

A its the frontal angle of the sides end dis now

[plucky summit]

It's the angle of the sides that you can only see from the front

Basic perspective concepts here.

[misty wing]

you are beyond confused yet you're clowning "NA friends" for not understanding?

[plucky summit]

Is this more helpful? 🤷‍♂️

[past fractal]

I understood it all
Just dont know what words

[plucky summit]

A frontal side angle actually implies a sort of pike or shoulder, though we're not talking about the pike, but the subsequent side angle caused by it

[blissful osprey]

@plucky summit They say this.

[past fractal]

I wanna comment though
First time I drawn IS-7s pike, when I thought of it as two triangles, and it became T-22 medium
Also didnt realise how the main armor extends to the tracks

[misty wing]

they have the same design concept

[plucky summit]

It helps to recognize the lower plate as a pentagon, rather than a 4 or 3 sided figure

[misty wing]

except the t-22's sides meet up in the center as a triangle, instead of flattening out like the IS-7 ^^

[plucky summit]

It ultimately contributes to the "OP sides", which is just an abuse of the auto-ricochet mechanic

Thank goodness TDs don't have to worry since 3CR counters it now if you hit the track or spaced armor

Ex. A ^-^

[blissful osprey]

Well, here's the Sheri-hunter

[past fractal]

Sheris problem is that some of the spaced armor extends away from the main armor
Dont think 3CRB can uh.. counter that since it doesnt hit main armor (if its the extended spaced armor), though its pennable everywhere else

[plucky summit]

Sheridan isn't countered by 3CRB because it will get penetrated anyways if hit in the main armor

3CR ≠ 3CRB, just so you know

[blissful osprey]

CRB?

[plucky summit]

Three calibers rule bypassing

The act of a shell instantly passing the three calibers rule against the main armor due to previously hitting spaced armor or an external module, regardless of thickness

[past fractal]

What ChickenMan is saying is most likely this

See the difference

[plucky summit]

Precisely =>

[blissful osprey]

So basically CRB is essentially the rule formula for shell penetration after going through an external module/armor plate.?

@past fractal No, this helps little.

[past fractal]

WoT PC experience, you cant pen even lightly armored tracks at more than ricochet angle unless its an overmatch

[plucky summit]

If the caliber of an AP or APCR shell was ≥ 3 times the nominal thickness of an armor plate, then the shell will not ricochet

This is NOT a guaranteed penetration, as 3CRB likes to bring up.

[past fractal]

This is why I used T1 Heavy and Strv as reference, its what exactly happened to me at one battle

I could Not pen his tracks at all at ricochet angle

[blissful osprey]

Yeah, it ain't helping.

I'll just depend on chicken to explain.

[past fractal]

Still a weird experience for me though
He was at 400 HP and I didnt clear a single one when shooting his tracks
Wot PC

[plucky summit]

Also back to elaborate on the "frontal angle of the sides", it can be thought of as the secondary angle you'll find on pikes, where it's not only angled against you in a single plane, but two planes (or well, a more complex plane)

You don't only deal with the bottom image's angling, but the top image's angling too

[blissful osprey]

Well, I suppose I knew all of that. I just saw it seperately.

[blissful osprey]

Of course.

[plucky summit]

Naturally, a shell actually needed to pass the 3CR, by actually having a caliber ≥ 3x the plate's nominal thickness

But now with 3CRB, the shell instantly passes as long as it hit spaced armor of an external module first

It's worthy to note 3CR is in both PC and Blitz, but 3CRB is only present in Blitz, which may explain Doom's images above

[blissful osprey]

So as long as it passes the 3CR for the external plate, is also passes for the actual armor plate behind it?

[plucky summit]

No, it can fail all it wants, all it had to do is hit the screen first

It treads deeply into the concept of nominal armor and external modules

The external module is the same armor-wise no matter the angle, but it can cause 3CRB

[past fractal]

Btw does 3CRB also depend on shell caliber or any will do?

[plucky summit]

No matter the caliber, the shell will pass 3CR through 3CRB. It then turns into a game of normalization and penetration.

Please remember, Cent I doesn't pass 3CR for either of the two armors it hits, all it has to do is hit something else before the main armor

[blissful osprey]

I understand that the 3CR explains that [yadda yadda yadda] and that passing it means the shell won't ricochet, but it can fail to pen. Are you saying 3CRB acts the same way, but if it passes through the external module through 3CR, then it doesn't have to pass 3CR for the nominal armor due to how 3CRB works?

[past fractal]

Let me
3CRB basically ignores auto ricochet and then the nominal armor will apply

[plucky summit]

Three calibers rule bypassing
It doesn't even test for the three calibers rule, and passes automatically, no matter caliber or nominal armor

@past fractal the resulting effectiveness of the armor is NOT the nominal effectiveness

[blissful osprey]

But it needs to hit something else to take effect?

[plucky summit]

It's not a rule, it's a bypass to the rule

It must hit an external module (tracks, gun) or spaced armor (sideskirts, mantlets) first

The only counter is the shooter having bad pen, or your tank having obnoxiously thick main armor

[blissful osprey]

So when it hits an external module, what happens then? Surely the bypass doesn't just take effect.

[plucky summit]

Then, the shell's penetration loses pen depending on the thickness of that module.

It proceeds to hit a main armor plate, but regardless of the rule, it passes instantly.

[blissful osprey]

So the bypass occurs by hitting an external module? So it doesn't ricochet, but can fail to pen.

[plucky summit]

Yes (it also can happen with spaced armor, basically whatever isn't the main armor)

[blissful osprey]

Huh.

[past fractal]

Non main armor modules/spaced armor in the game will negate the auto ricochet mechanic, hence the bypassing
But still possible to not pen depending on armor thickness (general)

[plucky summit]

It's a "Get In Free" card for the three caliber's rule

[keen garnet]

Basically after hitting tracks or spaced armour, the shell will always attempt to penetrate, regardless of whether it hits the main armour at an auto ricochet angle or not

[past fractal]

Just to not confuse anyone, Three Caliber’s Rule does still exist in game when it hits main armor

[hollow notch]

@plucky summit are you sure it actually works in game?

[plucky summit]

I've had my homie bully my T-22 with his IS-7 ;-;

but if you wish to see for yourself, I'm fine with hosting a room

It's the most obvious the higher pen you have (and preferably AP for 2CR's sake)

[past fractal]

Dunno how anyone can explain tanks penning E5/T57 tracks (not wheel) at high angles apart from that bypassing one

[hollow notch]

That's overmatch for a t22 (the is7 back)

[plucky summit]

??

[past fractal]

He means this

[hollow notch]

It's a 30mm plate

[plucky summit]

I said he bullied my T-22 with his IS-7

His IS-7 3CRB'd my T-22

[hollow notch]

Ohhhhh

[plucky summit]

Y e a h, that's 76 degrees x-x

So if you got a Ho-Ri you can bully tanks of mine, to see it easily in action

I have yet to explain why the track will often stays strong when 3CRB occurs.

My best guess is that the track track and the track wheels are each two independent plates, so they stacked against the shell's trajectory

[past fractal]

Can u show the full photo of that? The armor of it?

[plucky summit]

IS-7 vs FV215b

[blissful osprey]

Wait, so is this asking why the track doesn't break?

[past fractal]

I meant including the effective armor of it
Since I saw some o those red spots before and it says a pen

[plucky summit]

The T-22 challenges my theory though, because the yellowed part should also be double-layered, but is penetrable anyways

[plucky summit]

I see now, perhaps the highlighting takes that stack into consideration when the calculation doesn't?

I shall check T-22, glad this makes 3CRB consistent, though

[blissful osprey]

Do the tracks really decrease the pen that much? It seems a bit ridiculous.

[plucky summit]

It's the same situation with T-22, I must test it in-game sometime

[plucky summit]

By calculation, the shell should pen, but it's highlighted red for some reason.

I can only infer that the highlighting stacks the track and wheel segments without accounting for them being a single module

Tracks would only decrease pen by like 15-40mm, based on the tank being shot

[past fractal]

I assume its because of shell normalisation
AP does pretty insane in that part at times

[plucky summit]

Form what I've tried, 2CR gets a green light under 3CRB, so tracks won't be much of a help

[blissful osprey]

That's probably it, then. It wouldn't be able to pen if the highlighting was stacked.

[plucky summit]

I could edit the image and correct it myself 🤷‍♂️

But y'know, casual 5AM game mechanic dissection

Good morning night

[blissful osprey]

Forgot you guys had a 2 hour lead. Might as well head off myself.

[plucky summit]

😎

🕶️🤏
🥲

[past fractal]

My eyes when I play for a lot of time

[violet timber]

Not that it ever goes 50kph with its horrid p/w

[violet timber]

I think you mean 3.9k dpm

[solid gate]

Up t57 heavy

[violet timber]

What do you mean?

[upper atlas]

batchat should get an alpha buff, or if not that, somehow to get better. maybe an armoured batchat ? sounds weird, but just something that makes it stand out apart from clipping?

[sand sage]

i would love to see sheridan doing 1000 dmg with he

[fossil badger]

is the progetto 65 good?

[acoustic galleon]

Yes.

[copper swan]

depends on the user

[violet timber]

It’s situational

[umbral hamlet]

it's decent, definitely not meta but pretty enjoyable if you like that playstyle
(i personally hate it so eh)

[flint eagle]

Nah. Just give 183 a 60 kph top speed

[cobalt tide]

I've had my homie bully my T-22 with his IS-7 ;-;

but if you wish to see for yourself, I'm fine with hosting a room
@plucky summit

You should take the replay and submit it so we can analyse the shots from the games.
Then we can see that exact same shot and understand why it did pen or didn’t pen.

[acoustic galleon]

The Proggeto 65 should get an armor buff.

[balmy compass]

Why

[acoustic galleon]

Just 'cause.

[umbral hamlet]

eh not really, the only thing it needs is a slight gun handling buff (0.01-0.02 while moving and rotating should be enough)

[balmy compass]

Okay then, using that logic lets give Smasher a 6.8 second reload just ‘cause

[valid gale]

Velocity should be one dunno why they gave it the slowest of all meds

[umbral hamlet]

to balance it

[valid gale]

It’s already one of the more inaccurate 105s it’s not like every other med gun or Autoloader has high velocity

[acoustic galleon]

Its hull and turret look nice and sloped but the armor is paper :(

[violet timber]

The upper plate is incredibly troll, especially with EA

[umbral hamlet]

the gun mantlet is retarded, it will eat even 183mm rounds

the frontal hull becomes incredibly strong if you use enhanced armor

[violet timber]

Only things that can overmatch would be Jageroo and 183

[acoustic galleon]

The hull is 50mm thick, you get like 5mm extra with enhanced armor.

[violet timber]

2mm, but it’s an auto bounce meaning if the gun doesn’t overmatch it will bounce

[acoustic galleon]

IMO they should buff the sides with 10mm and make the turret 220 to 240 raw thickness. Make the UFP 70mm.

But reduce its mobility as a result.

[violet timber]

No, it’s already slow for a med.

[acoustic galleon]

Okay so don't. But giving it decent armor will help set it apart from other tanks with magazines.

[violet timber]

It’s one of the only tanks left in the game that takes skill to use, there’s no reason to noob proof it

[acoustic galleon]

Its not T22 or E50m levels of armor, you will need skill to make it work.

[violet timber]

It already takes skill, there’s no reason to lower the skill floor on it

[acoustic galleon]

I don't think it will reduce the skill floor, just give you more consistent results for playing it properly.

[violet timber]

It will reduce the skill floor, it’s a buff to the tank. There is also no need for it, you just have to actually have skill to make it work which is how more tanks should be

[acoustic galleon]

Pretty much every tank in the game requires skills, even the 252u. I don't see your point honestly.

[balmy compass]

Tanks like the 252 are incredibly easy to use

[violet timber]

252 doesn’t need skill, it a literally just drive forward and shoot. Prog requires much more thinking to use properly

[balmy compass]

Its not like in the prog 65 you just drive to a spot and shoot some people while blocking everything

[acoustic galleon]

252u has the huge lower plate, you can't just drive and shoot.

[balmy compass]

You would be surprised

[ornate coral]

if you hide the lower plate its op

[violet timber]

Oh, my bad, drive forward, wiggle a bit, shoot

[acoustic galleon]

If players refuse to shoot an obvious weak spot its on them, not the tank.

[balmy compass]

It still doesn’t take much to use the 252 well

[violet timber]

We just shouldn’t be lower the skill floors on tanks, because that removes one of the only aspects that makes this a skill based game. Giving everything enough armor to bounce, and enough mobility to get about, and a gun that can penetrate anything it comes across just makes the game a bunch of the same tank running about

[acoustic galleon]

The Prog is slower compared to other meds though, and doesn't have the best gun handling.

[keen garnet]

Armor buff directly reduces the skill floor of a tank
The Progetto is meant to be about the armor anyways, it's all in the auto reloading gun that allows you to be flexible

You have got an auto ricohetable front plate against <150mm guns for most angles as it is

[violet timber]

It does have an auto reloader. The only buff it would need is an accuracy buff

[keen garnet]

Personally feel like the Prog is in a good spot rn
It's not a very good tank certainly but not every tank needs to be
Prog feels balanced

[violet timber]

Personally, the whole “buff anything that’s underperforming” mentality is why we get tanks like the T32

[keen garnet]

^

[violet timber]

If anything, more nerfs need to be given, not buffs

[balmy compass]

People forget tanks can be nerfed

[acoustic galleon]

T32 doesn't feel outrageously OP or anything, there aren't many in the matchmaker either.

[balmy compass]

Oh yes a insane hulldown tank with sandbags and super speed isn’t OP

[violet timber]

Mmm yes, completely invulnerable hull down, strong hull just in case you can’t get hull down, ability to become a medium for 20 seconds, and a newly buffed gun so you no longer struggle with penetration

[acoustic galleon]

Never felt it was particularly strong when facing them, I don't own the tank so can't say for sure.

[balmy compass]

T29 but smaller hull

[umbral hamlet]

2mm, but this means the base armor becomes 52mm, which cannot be overmatched even by 155mm guns (only 183mm will be able to)

[balmy compass]

What about 17cm

[lucid kelp]

Pls bring back kv5 in store
Maybe tomorrow as single tank deal even for 7.5k gold is worth it
Last time was sold before the buff, more than 6 months ago

[strange thicket]

even after stating all of that?

[graceful iris]

caernarvon, 53tp, emil 1, t32. wanna get all the tanks. suggestions on which order i should grind them in? i'd grind all of them together but eh.. credits are a problem lol

[strange thicket]

tie between 53tp and t32
then emil then caern

[umbral hamlet]

53tp, Emil, caern, t32

[strange thicket]

t32 is literally the best one out of them 💀

[wise moth]

T32 by far the best; 53Tp and Emil 1 are close

[thick trout]

It's also the least fun I'd say, it's just drive forward and win. The others all have a bit of uniqueness or challenge to play around

[past crane]

All are pretty fun.
T32 easiest to play
53TP probably the strongest
Emil I most interesting
Caernarvon probably the worst grind, but also very fun with the top gun, although its the hardest to play.

[graceful iris]

hmm is caer even worth using in tours? can it replace action x for same role?

[thick trout]

More alpha, more dpm and super consumables makes it a very good choice

[wise moth]

It’s flat out better than AX now after the alpha/DPM buff. It’s not a bad pick to add some DPM to a lineup

[misty wing]

Caernarvon is cracked

[graceful iris]

alright thanks for help

[mystic sleet]

Did people really play the CAX just for the dpm?

[plucky summit]

Well that and the armor

[past crane]

Yeah, regular Caernarvon has some armor but it’s not super reliable, AX actually has armor.

[blissful osprey]

Ngl the 218mm pen rounds still feel a bit middling in terms of pen power. I’m still throwing out a lot more prammo than I usually feel comfortable doing so. Guess that’s just me, however.

[violet timber]

It was at 198 before iirc

[blissful osprey]

It was, but it still feels lacking even with 218, which is probably for the best.

[violet timber]

It's not that far from the 225 which the IS-3 has, so it's not bad

[plucky summit]

I’d say it has a pretty close to standard pen

[blissful osprey]

Well, I did say it felt lacking. Never said it was lacking. It’s just a reflection of how I feel with the tank.

[mystic topaz]

What tactic VK-72 is good for?

[blissful osprey]

Being a brick.

[violet timber]

Peek around a corner, don't sidescrape

[balmy compass]

Every German tank

[blissful osprey]

Yes. The armor's there, to say the least. But I doubt it was ever a selling point. Just the supposed DPM which never works in practice since everyone knows you have the DPM to wear them down, but not the alpha to clear them out (why else would that 252 sitting off to the side wait so patiently for you to get them to a one-shot?).

[wise moth]

Of course. There’s no other reason to bother playing it otherwise. It’s slow, the alpha sucks, and the armor isn’t great

[blissful osprey]

It sorta has some turret armor, aside from the cupola.

[scarlet kernel]

I just realised you guys are talking about the caernarvon lmao
I thought it was centurion

Anyways, angry eyes for attachments?

[mystic sleet]

Ironically, the CAX is actually slightly faster than the tech tree counterpart lol.

[misty wing]

doesn't matter, the tech tree is better and has super consumables if you want them

[silk charm]

armor isnt great but it can still sidescrape
it functions sort of as a hulldown, including the 10 degrees of gun depresso

[misty wing]

AX can sidescrape about as well as any med, which isn't good

[strange thicket]

super speed boost:

[mystic sleet]

The fact that people played the CAX only for it's dpm is somewhat sad imo, but I can understand why. Thanks for the answers.

[hollow notch]

Superconsumables blow the AX out of the water if mobility is what you are after

[solid gate]

i feel like m4 Sherman is really underrated

same with foch

[misty wing]

no one cares about tier 5 sooo

[plucky summit]

@solid gate The M4 Sherman, at best, is a general fighter medium, with no gimmicks unless you believe the turret is strong enough to result in a hulldown gimmick. It's uninteresting, so people probably don't recognize much from it (not to mention it's a low tier as Asagi says)

Foch is also not spoken of because it's a general DPM TD, but nothing too special that isn't already taken. It can be thought of as the SU-122-54 that trades mobility for armor and some DPM. Tier 9/10 releases are dwindling its utility, as the armor begins falling apart, it may need something to account for it.

[past fractal]

Playing M4 Sherman, its alright, but tier 5 is a pretty boring tier in general

[potent garnet]

tier 5 feels more sane than tier 10 on asia

[balmy compass]

Sherman? That crappy tank America built? Which version? There are like over 100 variants lol
(Sarcasm)

[halcyon horizon]

Guys how to play standard b

[strange thicket]

only shoot your first shot most of the time unless the situation dictates otherwise
when the opportunity comes dump your clip, especially if you can clip an enemy out
avoid direct confrontation and let your team mates take the hits because no armor and not adequate enough dpm
use HE whenever you can. @halcyon horizon

[blissful osprey]

We play it becuz the Blitztubers over-hyped (I mean, a few did -_-) it and we fell for it.

[strange thicket]

most if not all of them did ngl

[true ravine]

@halcyon horizon keep doing this,

Spot Then go run back , help your team from behind and follow and use the heavies armor as cover And if the heavies were destroyed Go run fast and
Use ur speed to flank keep doing that if it's not worked for you I'm sos sorry my friend is my strategy btw

[blissful osprey]

Pantouf did, I think. "Insane tank!" and all that. 10 games later, and I'm finding the thing does not respond well to my touch. Heck, the T34 felt easier to use than the CAX and my experience with it is like trying to push a lazy sibling across the floor (very hard to do).

[halcyon horizon]

Ok @true ravine @vocal pond

[halcyon horizon]

Ok

[strange thicket]

CAX is not too difficult to make use of and def can work in pups
against experienced players it is just not as good. especially if they can just yank your cupola
honestly when the autumn season event happened i had a difficult time choosing between progetto 46 or cent 5/1
didn't even give a crap about the CAX
T34 is probably more comfortable to use since you can utilize hulldown better with the meaty alpha and trading potential

[blissful osprey]

I did find it a bit difficult, since it shares the same problem with most tanks with high DPM: They basically trade alpha for more DPM, which increases your time out in the open. At least the T34 would actually pen.

[strange thicket]

i am not against cupolas being part of the game actually
i think they are pretty healthy but when other options are out there without cupolas it hurts the tanks that have them a lot
in order to make the CAX you have to be aggressive and push so the enemy can't just trade with you.

well with the sheriff out there which is basically a crossover between the CAX and the caern the CAX is hurt a lot. 🤷‍♂️

[blissful osprey]

Ye, I know what already. I just don't like the CAX. At all.

[misty wing]

tfw my team has 4 meds/lights on canal and none of them go med side 💀

[past fractal]

Mediums and lights evolving, backwards

[blissful osprey]

Deal with it, really. It's not like you'd be able to do anything.

[misty wing]

why so hostile

[past fractal]

For real though
Mediums and lights going thru heavy side/not going through med side (and most likely losing a lot of HP) is the most braincell damaging thing someone will ever see

[blissful osprey]

I wasn't being hostile? Where exactly are you getting this from? I told you to deal with it. It's not like you're capable of telepathic control, are you? What else can you do? Rage at the screen?

[past fractal]

Two contradicting points it seems

[misty wing]

It may just be me, but almost everything you say feels like it has some implied hostility

posting many questions with relatively obvious answers in quick succession is one way to do that

[past fractal]

Anyway, lemme talk bout 60TP
Definitely one of the more accurate heavy tanks with a 152 mm gun

[blissful osprey]

You got the wrong idea here.

@past fractal It's a noob-proof heavy. As long as you go forward in the right direction you'll do fine in it.

[misty wing]

It didn't sound like he was asking for help with it to me

[past fractal]

Nice point but what I was saying
60TPs gun is fairly* accurate for a 152 mm

[blissful osprey]

I was just telling them what it is.

@past fractal The 152mm gun's accuracy and aimtime is actually worse than the E100 and the VK 72. But as I said, it's a noob-proof heavy. It's just that good.

[blissful osprey]

The thing about that is that if the MTs are fast enough to force a breakthrough within a gap, they can mess up the TDs and stuff like that. It's hard, but the potential might be there.

[strange thicket]

taking on heavies head on in MTs is never a good idea and if it works it is due to the enemy being terrible
especially when there is a huge open flank for the enemy MTs and the enemy HTs can just hold

[blissful osprey]

I never said that. If they could force a gap in say, something like D cap Faust, they might be able to flank any hevs on the lower lanes. idk

[strange thicket]

eh?
i guess
that is just avoiding enemy MTs and still flanking
i guess it will depend on who pushes first then
or the enemy TDs can provide cover fire

[blissful osprey]

What is interesting is that I have seen like stuff before, but it mainly happens on stuff like Mayan Ruins, where the A cap is just a bunch of stupid corridors.

That reminds me, my first match in the E5 ever consisted of me pushing A cap in a 50% crewed tank(maybe 75%, idr)

[misty wing]

I only play 50% for one or two battles in slow heavies to see how slow it's possible to go in the game

[blissful osprey]

Thank God it was pre nerf E5 -_-

[past fractal]

Lol
My first battle in E5, I made sure it was 100% so I paid the 1k gold needed

[misty wing]

I've bought 100% crew for most of my tier 10s

[past fractal]

60TP is the first tier 10 tank
Where it was 50% crew, then destroyed my gold and credits to make it 75%

[blissful osprey]

Well, guess that's my cue to play around with me E5.

[past fractal]

raises gun

[silk tide]

Can someone give me a list of the most ammo racky tanks?
The SU 100 should be some where on top of that list I suppose.

[blissful osprey]

There was an ammo rack HP chart for most T10 vehicles Chicken made. Give me a sec.

[blissful osprey]

Another thing to not is their positioning. For example, the E5 gets ammo racks pretty close to the front, the turret bustle, so it's pretty easy to damage the rack there.

[obsidian mirage]

I still waiting buff E5 turret rotation and make it more like British heavy

[plucky summit]

More like british heavy? So worse?

[blissful osprey]

It ain't going to happen, due to the super consumables. As long as those exist, the E5 will not get its buffs. Plus, if you make it more like the 215B you make it worse anyways -_-

[livid moss]

British heavies are armoured all over their hull and turret

For example black prince

[obsidian mirage]

Not for conqueror the turret armor is suck

[livid moss]

Idk about conqueror

[obsidian mirage]

Conqueror has been buffed on turret Armor but like nothing happened

Still easy to penet

[livid moss]

Ok

I think fv301 and Vickers cr and Vickers light could penetrate

If not then it would be a problem in 1v1

[blissful osprey]

And? Does it really need everything?

Definitely not.

That's just stupid. We don't need another senseless HT buff. The Conq is fine as it is. If you're not doing well in it, then maybe you should reflect on yourself.

[silk tide]

Thanks and yes the location is very important I would say more important than the HP.

[misty wing]

this looks extremely cursed

[past fractal]

Reminds me of M46 Patton smol gun
The tier V 105 mm derp gun

[past fractal]

It exists in wot pc still it seems
Since in wotb it was removed already

[blissful osprey]

I mean, I guess? The gun probably got pulled out and sent to a scrapyard, the poor thing.

[silk tide]

We have 100mm gargoyle..

[patent shuttle]

t82 + t54/t55 💀

[silk tide]

Yeah and horrible gun depression..

[violet timber]

60TP is known for having terrible accuracy…

[acoustic galleon]

Do not use gold on the crate, especially if you only have 1k

Save it.

[blissful hamlet]

The chances of getting Skorp are really low

Chill, isn't worth spending your gold on those crates

[proven harbor]

Guys i need help, some ppl are saying that missles are back and sheridan missle is able to collect, is this true?

[kindred wren]

opens game

looks left, looks right

No

[patent shuttle]

i wish it was

[low flax]

how can i learn track mechanics?

i somehow always end up not penetrating from tracks

[true ravine]

@obsidian mirage no , even my beast can even pen him with 150mm gun

I mean the yee 100

[violet timber]

There are times where the track will just eat your shell and there’s nothing you can do. The best advice I can give it to aim at the wheel in the front of the tank

[strange thicket]

shoot at the track wheels or slightly behind them
and make sure the enemy is not too angled to bounce your shell
or you are shooting too low and missing the structure

[wheat void]

Does anybody know when the M41D / WZ-112-2 event is coming

[livid moss]

Is FV215b 183 any good?

[violet timber]

No

[acoustic galleon]

The 13th I think.

[balmy compass]

Funny tank that deals alot of damage per shot but dies really easily 👍

[hollow notch]

Heat and HE shells don't like tracks. Heat shells can still pen them, but penetration is significantly reduced as soon as it hits any type of spaced armor.

Another thing to watch out for is make sure that you are actually hitting the hull of the tank itself. Many times I see people frustrated by not penning a side on shot when it actually didn't even hit the hull.
You gotta hit the top half (ish) of the overall track

[violet timber]

Here’s a visualization for what larks is talking about, you have to hit the yellow

[hollow notch]

And like sta1isbad said earlier, the idler and drive wheels (front and back) wheels are your best bet if you want to take off a track while damaging an opponent.

[graceful iris]

m41d is considered a better m41 but when i compare it there's pretty much no difference.. slightly better alpha and pen for slightly worse accuracy, top speed, depression and hp. m41 actually gets more advantages so idk

[hollow sequoia]

top speed might be slightly worse but the mobility is better

normal bulldog has 10° gun dep tho so yeah it's better imo

[wheat void]

Ok, thx for the info 👍

[hollow notch]

Dpm is useful sure, but the bulldog is far to fragile to actually use it. More alpha makes hitting and resetting camo (what you kinda have to do with the tank) more effective.

But...
Type 62 superiority

[violet timber]

I believe in Kunze panzer supremacy

[blissful osprey]

Ew. LTTB is better

[balmy compass]

Kunze panzer for me

[hollow sequoia]

type 62 has the dumb 300 damage HE rounds tho

[violet timber]

43mm of pen though

[low flax]

@violet timber @hollow notch thank you.
one last question.
hitting the part i colored the red (the track itself) does it bounce?

i mean its thick metal in real life so it can bounce or not get penetrated?

[violet timber]

No, it’s only counted as 20mm of spaced armor

[blissful osprey]

It's around 20mm thick according to the game...

[low flax]

okay i got it, thanks for the answers.
have a great day

[violet timber]

No, sometimes the tracks will just eat shells for no reason whatsoever, but that’s just rng and not really your fault

[graceful iris]

mobility is pretty much same

on hard terrain m41 will be slightly faster. on medium terrain they'll be same. on soft terrain m41d will be slightly faster. hp/t is higher on m41d but it has better terrain resistance which increases effective hp/t. and that's what matters in acceleration

[graceful iris]

ye type 62 may be better lol but im mainly asking cus that event. not sure if i should choose m41d or wz112.. wz seems a better choice but i just dont like that inaccurate tanks

[blissful osprey]

It doesn't really matter, though. Both have way too similar mobility for their to be a distinctive change.

[graceful iris]

true. they're almost identical

one more advantage m41d gets though.. looks

it looks epic and no one can deny that

[hollow sequoia]

it also has 260 HE alpha for some reason

[graceful iris]

yea but 38mm cant pen a lot of things lol

[blissful osprey]

I mean, if you're using a Bulldog, at that point you have to ask yourself, "Why am running HE with a Bulldog?"

[thorny smelt]

Unless it's Nashorn

[blissful osprey]

The DPM's good enough for you to simply APCR it to death. I'd rather take more HEAT instead.

[thorny smelt]

I'm referring to M41D shoot HE at Nashorn

[blissful osprey]

Why would you? Just use the standard rounds instead. It's not like you reload every 3.5 seconds. Oh wait, you do.

[thorny smelt]

Delicious food for M41D

[graceful iris]

you can HE things like nashorn, sp1c, rear of any american t10. and m41d shooting HE gets more dpm than highest dpm tank in game

[hollow notch]

The 112 2 is an absolute monster. One of the top IS-X tanks in tier 8

The only reason to not get it is if you don't have the time to grind it (its almost guaranteed to be harder to get)

[hollow sequoia]

I already have the m41d so I'll try to get the wz
probably gonna fail and would have to use gold to finish the last stages if possible

[ebon light]

sherman is best it is fast and reaload quickly

[balmy compass]

But crappy armor

[strange thicket]

is there some sort of event that started that i am oblivious to? or is it about to start

[hollow sequoia]

it hasn't started yet, we don't know when it will start but yeah it's there

[zealous skiff]

Fresh account, and a fresh start. On the road for the T-62A, any tips??

[graceful iris]

maybe. just after trying IS-5 i absolutely hated how inaccurate it is. takes ages to aim in and even aimed is inaccurate.. wz meanwhile has even worse accuracy

[willow seal]

T34 is pew pew, kinda hard to play.
T34-85 has higher than usual alpha but otherwise meh
T43 is DPM while otherwise meh
T44 has higher than usual alpha but is meh.
T54 is DPM armored yolomachine

[graceful iris]

yes. you can either get wz112-2 or m41d. i think you farm masteries (or was that different event?)

btw has m41d been sold in shop for gold?

[hollow sequoia]

dont think so, i got it for real money

[graceful iris]

oof

i can buy wz112-2 for gold when it comes to shop but not sure if m41d will even come in shop lol

[strange ingot]

Don't rush for t10

Learn the game first, honestly wouldn't even recommend to get it within first 2k battles

[zealous skiff]

Oh, i already have an account with a tier IX, i just wanted to start freshly

[keen garnet]

Engine boost bad, use another repair kit
Use prammo

[zealous skiff]

Got it, but im broke on prem

[keen garnet]

Ah well, what about that Tier 4 Grizzly you get after finishing the tutorial

[zealous skiff]

Yea?

I kinda, sold it

[blissful osprey]

Eh, sure it kills them faster, but I’d just use the AP

[blissful osprey]

You sold your one credit earner.

[zealous skiff]

Well damn me.

[graceful iris]

ohhh that's how they get it. i was always wondering how all new accounts owned grizzly

[lavish jetty]

T44-100 being worse than standart t44 as premium 💀

[strange thicket]

what is wrong with that?

[umbral hamlet]

you can actually get it back from the player's support but with a 10% extra tax

[zealous skiff]

Interesting

[solid fractal]

Aren’t the tanks basically identical?

[boreal spruce]

the 100 has the same gun stats .
worse depression
slower acceleration.
same armour. (apart from the skirts ofc)

but that camo is 🔥

[solid fractal]

But how much actually?

[boreal spruce]

needs more engine power imo

[solid fractal]

So apart from the dispersion pretty much nothing

[blissful osprey]

Complaining player spotted spotted.

Preparing Copium Solution #3420.

I suggest you do the same.

[blissful osprey]

You forgot the 100 being a premium, and therefore needs to be OP

[solid fractal]

😅

[misty wing]

2 degrees less gun depression

[boreal spruce]

if you run the 122 on the t44 it loses gun depp too😭

[blissful osprey]

It’s not like it really matters anyways. The tank is fine.

[boreal spruce]

besides, the t34-2 is the better tank if you run the 122mm anyways.,👍

[past fractal]

Oh yeah
T44 with the 122 has a hell of a reload

[past crane]

Yeah
I only play the 122 on it in platoons for fun
You can do some silly things with it
But usually never run it

[safe cedar]

Is the Foch good the AMX ac 48 is horrible

[blissful osprey]

Pretty good tank. It smacks things, and isn't as vulnerable to getting smacked back (pretty thick armor for a IX TD, after all) Good DPM, just a good gun overall. Yeah, it's a pretty good tank to have,

[safe cedar]

Good, AMX ac 48 is nightmarishly bad.

[fresh vine]

get the t54 ltwt instead of t44. its a much better tank

[dusk knoll]

Are the 268/4 crates supposed to come out this update?

[fresh vine]

t62a was my first tier 10 too, lovely vehicle still

[zealous skiff]

I know, thats why im going for it

[fresh vine]

general tip, save free xp for upgrading modules instead of researching new tanks

[livid moss]

How to get credits faster

I need 2 million rn

[keen garnet]

Use Premium Account, complete missions, use credit boosters, play better, get more medals

[fresh vine]

obvious things are boosters, prem time certificates and pre tanks. but for playstyle that is more 'credit sustainable', be careful with your hitpoints

so, maybe try some more defensive tanks for that

[azure badge]

I've got m6 rn should I go for t29 or the other one

[fresh vine]

hm

id say the m7 yoh, the tech tree is better. but the t29 is a better tank than the yoh

[keen garnet]

M7Yoh to get to the M6 Yoh

[azure badge]

oh

[plucky summit]

7 -> 3 -> 5 -> 6

[fresh vine]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[umbral hamlet]

math

[void tulip]

is is5 worth the 1.5k gold?

[solid gate]

Yes

Unless u know how to play with pike nose and sidescripping with it

[violet timber]

Only if you don’t have any other premium Soviet style heavy tanks

[misty wing]

I kinda just remembered, T-54 stock turret is pretty strong lol

[solid gate]

I wonder, would WG put e100's alternative turrets? Like for example the model with the maus turret or the adler model🤔

[violet timber]

Probably not

[silk tide]

I have a T 34 and T 34-85 but still need to research the Type 34 and 58, neither fun nor does it make sense.

[blissful hamlet]

AMX 40

[blissful hamlet]

Technically, Maus turret was too heavy to be mounted on E 100's hull

[solid gate]

what about Adler model?

[blissful hamlet]

Meh, E 100 with an cupola to be focused

[solid gate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral hamlet]

definitely yes if you need a good credit earner

[ivory ocean]

the is 5 is for sale ??

[violet timber]

As Long as You’re in a clan with tier 10 supply, and you have tier 10 personal supply, then yes

[ivory ocean]

ohh i see
ty

[past fractal]

I think I now have a logical explanation or should I say speculation as to why Kranvagn line (tier 8-10) tanks are so slow

Its because of the 80 mm sides they all have

[violet timber]

That wouldn’t really make them slow lol

[ivory ocean]

nah it wouldnt

[plush blade]

Guys witch one is better for humans vs zombies mode?Leopard 1 or Leopard PT A?

[harsh elm]

it’s probably because of balancing reasons, since the krans top speed on pc is something around 55-60kph
or another reason i cant think of right now

[lusty cradle]

IS-5 is a very good tank

[ivory ocean]

how would its playstyle be ??

[lusty cradle]

A bit like an IS-3... But with better stats

[rigid thunder]

an IS-3 without the excellent turret and a horrible gun

[ivory ocean]

well i havent gotten the is 3
i have the german heavies tho

[lusty cradle]

Ok...?`

[ivory ocean]

like idk bout the is3's playstyle

[lusty cradle]

Doesn't look at all like German heavies..

[ivory ocean]

but doesnt is 3 have a bad gun already stat wise ??

[rigid thunder]

not really

[ivory ocean]

yup ill agree with that

[lusty cradle]

IS-5's gun is fine, only dispersion

[ivory ocean]

ahh well ig thats all the russian heavies

[lusty cradle]

Hmm... IS-6 is better for dispersion..

but also more expensive ;D

[ivory ocean]

yup it is
the only tier 8 in my budget is the is 5

[lusty cradle]

That's a good tank

[wise moth]

IS-5 is honestly kinda garbage, but if you have no other tier 8 prems to grind credits with, it’s worth picking up

[ivory ocean]

well i have the amx cda

[lusty cradle]

I don't agree... I rlly like IS-5... And that's a good tank.

[ivory ocean]

other than that all lower tier garbage premiums

[wise moth]

The CDA 105 is a much better tank than the IS-5, and a lot more fun to play too. If you have that already, I wouldn’t recommend picking up the IS-5

[kindred wren]

CdA is great 👀

[lusty cradle]

But they aren't at all similar..

[ivory ocean]

ahh well ty
i was looking for a tank to grind credits

[wise moth]

Tanks don’t necessarily need to be similar for comparisons

[wise moth]

CDA 105 is a pretty good credit grinder because of the high standard pen, and it won’t get boring after long grind sessions. It’s one of the few tier 8’s I play nowadays

[lusty cradle]

True. But that's not the same playstyle, so I say : keep CDA, and buy IS-5 😄

[kindred wren]

The more, the merrier

And after playing the IS-5 you will appreciate the CdA on a whole new level

[lusty cradle]

🥺 . 😮‍💨

[ivory ocean]

ohh thats cool
well the cda is a fun tank

[rigid thunder]

If you're looking for a credit grinder, your cda will perform much better than an IS-5 simply because it fires less prammo, and hits more often.

The IS-5 is blessed with dogshit dispersion, and prammo spam is needed often when downtiered, which makes you spend a little more credits on resupply

[wise moth]

This is actually a good point lol. You don’t appreciate an actually fun premium until you’ve played a boring one

[ivory ocean]

lmao
well tysm
and would u run rammer or cali on your cda ??
well u saved me 1.5k gold

[hollow notch]

Lowe grinding go brrrrrr

[wise moth]

Rammer. By far. The DPM is a little lackluster for a tier 8 TD, and the pen is already fantastic

[ivory ocean]

ohh cool
well ty

[lusty cradle]

don't agree 😠

[ivory ocean]

well ig it depends on your playstyle too right ??

[lusty cradle]

Right

[hollow notch]

Cda is turretless so I will automatically choose an is5 over it

[teal kettle]

should I get the jackson or hellcat

[violet timber]

I’d rather take a 252U or Celestial

[violet timber]

Hellcat is a better tank imo, though both lines are rather lackluster atm

[teal kettle]

ok

[ivory ocean]

hellcat is better

[hollow notch]

Because you have to ask, jackson.
The hellcat is objectively a better tank, but it is not noob friendly at all. The Jackson will cover up some mistakes you make.

[violet timber]

^^^ but in any case, I would advise you to stay away from these lines right now

[kindred wren]

I recommend you to take both

[hollow notch]

Honestly, stay away from all tds

[kindred wren]

I can also recommend the German tank destroyers

[hollow notch]

If you want firepower, get a gun based medium.
If you want an assualt td, get a heavy.

[wise moth]

Here’s how I have my CDA set up

[kindred wren]

The greatest benefit of driving a tank destroyer is that you can camp and all those annoying toxic people won‘t judge you for it

[hollow notch]

Any camping is bad

[kindred wren]

Why is your avatar and pass transparent?

[wise moth]

Slow cellular data not loading everything lol

[kindred wren]

Ah, looks funky

[hollow notch]

Add invisible avatar weegee

[balmy compass]

Not really, and camping in one spot isn’t super beneficial most of the time, whenever you cant hit anyone for a while you should move positions

[violet timber]

That’s called sniping, or just effective camping

[balmy compass]

What if you cant snipe anyone

[violet timber]

Then you relocate, that’s part of sniping

[hollow notch]

If you don't have shots, you are camping

If you do have shots, you are sniping

[balmy compass]

Well thats what I said in my first message

[violet timber]

Camping is just sitting in one spot and not moving. Sniping is moving if you don’t have shots

[kindred wren]

Wow. Incentivising people to move when they don‘t have shots. What a nice ambiguous way to promote deserting overwatch positions

[hollow notch]

I mean, yea

Their gun sitting out of the game is useless

[ivory ocean]

ahh well ty mate

[balmy compass]

Not like the enemy team will go out and sit right in front of them taking hits

[kindred wren]

Do we play the same game?

[fast compass]

Yeah... right

[hollow notch]

These overwatch positions only become useful after the match is already lost and the zombie hoard is just yoloing you

[wheat void]

When will obj 268/4 be sold? Will they be in crates

[kindred wren]

Only if their team overextended which is actually just yoloing

Camping positions are effective during brawls, deep defence (enemy pushing), crossfires and push denial

[hollow notch]

M8

The only thing you will actually have shots on are bots that don't know peeking is bad

Meanwhile their actually good players won't be putting themselves in your line of fire while they just tear your team apart.

[kindred wren]

Thankfully Wargaming always makes sure to include some unnecessarily strong camping positions

[hollow notch]

Killing bots doesn't win games

Killing dangerous players does

[kindred wren]

Actually good players will not peek for enough to take hits, thus making the enemy team go into line of fire of their campers to shoot them

Two dangerous players are nothing against a horde of five tanks yoloing them

If a player is actually dangerous you won‘t take him out if he has any resemblance of support, simple as that

[graceful iris]

Camping is bad in all tanks. Hell, even grille shouldn't camp in one spot for whole match lol. Actually depends on map and position but generally it's true

[kindred wren]

Especially because of the camper support he has that will punish you for overextending against him

[violet timber]

Camping is bad, sniping isn’t (for the most part)

[graceful iris]

^

[hollow notch]

It's very easy to isolate yourself the confront the player directly.

[kindred wren]

If you can do that then he isn‘t dangerous XD

[graceful iris]

Sniping while relocating and actually being useful is good but camping in one spot while not caring where enemy is is bad

[kindred wren]

Also, you likely won‘t get any snipers because those who are good enough for that will often play aggressively to hunt some stats. Campers are the best you get in terms of deep defence and long range fire support, but are still a crucial part in winning games

[hollow notch]

All you have to do is place yourself in a position with cover from the standard campfires.
The other guy will do the same
Then the better player wins/ farms the bots next to it faster

[kindred wren]

Yes, it‘s just bot farming. Like I said

[graceful iris]

Honestly front line grille is more useful than sniper grille. At least you get an extra meat shield that way kekw

[kindred wren]

Campers are a powerful tool that can often turn around games if used correctly

[graceful iris]

Campers? No. Proper snipers? Yes

[hollow notch]

The difference is you are actively confronting dangerous players. If you are sitting in the back, you will not get any shots in on it, and it will freely destroy anything on your team that isn't camping.
You have to actually hold them back.

[kindred wren]

I know people love to complain about campers but in the end yoloing/ overextending is worse as it actually makes your team lose

[hollow notch]

Being aggressive and suiciding* are different things

[kindred wren]

You hold them back by area denial

[kindred wren]

sarcastic look Oh, really?

[hollow notch]

But area denial when sitting in the back is useless

You only damage suiciders
Aggressive smart players are completely unfazed by the isu sitting in the corner, waiting 5 minutes to put 1 shot out

[kindred wren]

I mean, if I follow your strict definition of camper then only like 10% of people sitting in the back are campers

Like I said, the positions are designed to provide ample fire opportunities

[hollow notch]

Nah. The useless clowns that sit and wait for things to actually peek them are camping

If you are hunting the shots (from a distance) you are sniping

[kindred wren]

You cannot hunt shots from a distance

[hollow notch]

But you can

leopard 1 noises

[kindred wren]

You know how far you have to travel to even get a slightly different angle? By then the situation is over and twenty after it as well

[balmy compass]

Castilla

[hollow notch]

I don't consider tds useless for no reason.

[kindred wren]

You seriously snipe in a Leopard 1?…

[graceful iris]

Oh what you think it's a frontline tank?

[kindred wren]

Medium range tank

[hollow notch]

Lmao
What, should I be yoloing?

I only do that with stealth ramming in madgames

[kindred wren]

You all snipe in a Leopard 1???

[graceful iris]

Sniping doesn't necessarily mean sniping from BACK of map

[hollow notch]

The leopard1 is the sniper KING

[balmy compass]

Nah
I play frontline because im too aggressive 💀

[kindred wren]

I play it close to medium range, driving fast flanks and bold peeks

[hollow notch]

Dpm, accuracy, mobility, and flexibility
What else do you need in a sniper

[graceful iris]

I don't really snipe in any tank. Literally play grille frontline. So no we all don't snipe in leo but it's still a good option to snipe in it

[kindred wren]

The alpha is relatively low so sniping is a bit of a gamble

[hollow notch]

You harass them, find a different angle, harass, find a different angle, harass, repeat until everything is dead

[graceful iris]

If you catch someone in open they're dead cus of your dpm

[edgy fern]

Question, which tank is better for scouting and sniping T37 or Chaffee?

[kindred wren]

Only of they don‘t shoot back… the Leopard 1 dpm is not that good anymore

[hollow notch]

You can hunt down crossfires
Mobility is top tier so what if it takes more shots. You have a tank with the ability to actually line up shots

[graceful iris]

With all the new tanks and with all the new buffs yes. That dpm isn't as good compared to other meds

[kindred wren]

I suppose that you consider as sniping what I consider as medium range, which is a bit extreme

[hollow notch]

Here comes in the long distance part
You don't get spotted

[blissful osprey]

Why are you sniping with either of them?

Absolutely disgusting.

[graceful iris]

Basically sniping from medium range

[kindred wren]

It‘s just good dpm. Not great, not terrible. Certainly not enough to out-dpm anyone

[hollow notch]

What

[edgy fern]

I usually scout, camp and snipe with light tanks

[graceful iris]

You can outdpm a lot of tanks lol

[kindred wren]

You don‘t get spotted because of bushes or because of distance?

[blissful osprey]

Why. Are. You. Sniping. In. A. Light. Tank.

[hollow notch]

Distance

An absolute laser allows this

[kindred wren]

No. Basically all mediums have 3k - 3.5k dpm, and the Leo has 3.6k. That is insignificant looking at the hp

[edgy fern]

Can't change my playstyle from WoT

[balmy compass]

Ru-251:

[hollow notch]

It has mobility

That is what differentiates it from those

[graceful iris]

It has mobility of a light lol

[kindred wren]

And less armour than a light

[blissful osprey]

Then go play TDs smh

Don't burden others with dumb LT gameplay.

@balmy compass Eh, debatable.

[kindred wren]

And mobility doesn‘t matter as much as armour and alpha in dpm fights

[graceful iris]

Leo 1 literally has best effective hp/t in t10. So it's literally faster than any light.. top speed is higher on t100 but leo 1 still has superior acceleration

[hollow notch]

No sh*t

Allow me to introduce you to yet again distance
Also, it out alphas the very common Soviet peashooters

[graceful iris]

In a brawl soviet "peashooters" will probably win lol

[kindred wren]

Doesn‘t help in dpm fights

In fact, the whole mobility doesn‘t help all that much because the maps are so small that you can run away initially but they will eventually catch up

[wise moth]

I feel like most DPM lights/meds are primarily effective in just 2 scenarios

If you’re losing on the local level, pull back, and fire from a distance. If you’re winning at the local level, full YOLO push.

Mobility is helpful for closing the distance quickly

[hollow gazelle]

a good leo player wont be "running away" they will be using that mobility to get back into the fight faster in a better position

[kindred wren]

To come back on the initial topic, I believe you seriously underestimate the influence of campers on the game if you believe the only effective form to be highly mobile long range relocations to constantly change the angle to create fire opportunities

Oftentimes it‘s just better to lock down corridors of the map than to farm enemies

[hollow gazelle]

yea i probably underestimate the amount of times a camping e100 has lost me a game lol

[hollow notch]

Also, why are we on dpm fights

The leopard 1 is the best sniper.
Dpm fights are not sniping.

Yes the leopards usage is limited.
But so is sniping. It's rarely actually helpful to have a long range fight, but the leopard is the most suited tank for that job. All other tanks that might want to use that style of play have other crippling problems that don't allow them to fully use the gun.

[kindred wren]

You lose the game for yourself if you ignore the fact that your E100 is camping

[hollow notch]

I turn the e100 into a meatshield

[blissful osprey]

It's not impossible to win a game with a camping HT...

[hollow notch]

They shoot e100, I then push and shoot them back

[kindred wren]

Which happens to be exactly what I said

[kindred wren]

Deserting the flank where he is camping is generally a good idea as the pushing enemies force him to play like a superheavy

[hollow notch]

It's getting spotted automatically, so its gonna get shot at even if it's not at the front

[hollow gazelle]

it usually makes it more challanging tho thats a full hp damage sponge sitting at the back yea he may do some damage from that position but when our other heavies get overun and die it can and usually does have a negative impact on the game rather than a positive

[graceful iris]

but the thing is.. why are e100s camping so often. why specifically e100 lol

[kindred wren]

I‘m not saying that a camping E100 is an advantage, but it doesn‘t have to be the deciding factor

[graceful iris]

it's not an advantage ik. and it can have big impact on game

[kindred wren]

Aside from that, camping tank destroyers are oftentimes actually an advantage

[naive rain]

Cause everyone always goes for the Tiger 1 cause its popular, and then they keep going up the tree.

[hollow gazelle]

idk but like it is a e100 thing to do like when i think camping heavy tank at t10 i think of the e100

[graceful iris]

same lol. the amount of camper e100s is huge

[blissful osprey]

Because they don't know how to play HTs and therefore adopt a pseudo-TD playstyle.

[graceful iris]

but why specifically e100. there are a lot of other heavies in t10

[kindred wren]

Because of alpha and popularity

[hollow gazelle]

i agree however it does require skill on the tds part to know when to stop camping and join the frontline battle

[blissful osprey]

Because the line's hella popular.

[kindred wren]

The gun hits surprisingly often as well

[violet timber]

@brave juniper Nah, the cheeks are very penable

[brave juniper]

That's not a "cheek" going by the words meaning

That's a literal turret side that's exposed to frontal shots 🤔

[wispy hearth]

Still a cheek

[violet timber]

Okay, this better?

[brave juniper]

Yuh, now that's a cheek, seems hard to hit

[wispy hearth]

No one aims there 💀

[wise moth]

Yeah because everyone just slams shells through the turret roof lol

[kindred wren]

Watch me do it anyways

[wispy hearth]

^ :v

[past fractal]

High pen tanks just slam through either the lower plate or mantlet weakspot

[wise moth]

They stealth buffed the mantlet, so you can’t cheese it anymore, unless you hit the exact base of the gun (which is way harder than the top of the turret anyway)

[brave juniper]

Idk about u but unless it's a high pen tank i just

[zealous marlin]

Question: Is the IS 5 worth it? Is the armor strong, like the object 252u?

[past fractal]

1: Its alright, but not an OP tier 8 like the others
2: nope on the hull

[strange ingot]

It's worth the price of 1500 gold I'd say, but if you have other options don't buy it

[brave juniper]

Well the pike nose can be red when you're slightly above someone but that lower plate is the game killer plus the 5° dep compared to 252 U's 6°

[zealous marlin]

I have the object 252u already, that means that the is 5 is worthless for me right?

[past fractal]

Depends, wanna collect tanks, go on

[brave juniper]

Most likely, it's a kind of freebie for the f2p/beginner players, like it's not unusable there's just better picks

[strange ingot]

Yes, definitely

[zealous marlin]

OK than I can save the 1500 gold thank u all

[brave juniper]

👌

[strange solar]

is the SU-130PM offer for 8500 gold worth it?

[umbral hamlet]

@zealous marlin the tank itself is decent, its main feature is the credit earning which is quite high considering it only costs 1500 gold

btw 252u is definitely better in every aspect

@strange solar no it's hella overpriced, and it doesn't even come with equipments nor camo

[strange solar]

oh ok thanks

[long tapir]

I've heard the FV215b (haven't played it) is the worst T10 heavy. What's the best overall?

[brave juniper]

8500 is never "overpriced" for t8s @strange solar , 12-15k for a t8 which some tanks did sell for IS overpriced, 5-8k is the best/good range, with 10k being the normal after release or some months after release

Don't be fooled, su 130PM is possibly the best t8 Td when it comes to paper turreted tds, currently at least

[strange solar]

hmm

[brave juniper]

And it's troll against HE to some extent and smaller than the skorp g so I'd suggest getting it if you love the Playstyle of peek-a-boom

Autocorrect murders people btw

[strange solar]

alr thanks

[umbral hamlet]

sure the 130pm is probably the best t8 td, but 8.5k would be a good offer if it also had camo+equipments+ 20 x5, otherwise it's not worth it imo @brave juniper

[brave juniper]

8.5k with a 2k gold camo and equipment worth idk 1k? We'll probably see that around Christmas, or even Halloween/black Friday , and it's not even a sure shot we will see it since we don't know what tanks get sold overtime by schedule or posted ahead of time, if you want a tank without getting it from crates or waiting 2 years it's definitely better to buy it stock when cheap than waiting for that one offer that has it all after it's been left behind like Lowe, t26e4 or any premium 3-4 years old, tanks that either don't fit the meta or are underpowered 🤔

[past crane]

The FV isn’t terrible now, but it’s still an extreme niche tank that really only excels at bullying mediums, which it can’t do as well as it could after it’s DPM nerf. I personally think the E5 is worse.
Tier X is fairly well balanced, but the IS7, Yoh, and 60TP are the big three meta tanks. All three are quite strong and fairly easy to play as well.

[brave juniper]

"fairly well balanced" cough cough bunch of old meta nerfed tanks, cough cough over cooked current meta, repeat cough cough

[past crane]

i mean aside from a few exceptions most tier x tanks are still competitive and there aren’t really any awful ones.

[brave juniper]

While individually some may experience equal footing with certain tanks fighting vs their own type the same can't be said about the average player, E5 used to have more players before and a higher wr, not only did it go down but the players using it did too, same for fv215b, is4 which went unused in comp vs is7 when it used to be the opposite before, while it may be balanced from the perspective of someone with a high level of skills that isn't meant to say that tanks that are still "workable" after nerfs are competing against meta when met with similarly skilled players and easily beat by tank stats and not skill 🤔

[glad matrix]

there is something wrong with Charles. probably an error from WG. Depression is only 5. As Charles is a wolverine, depression should be 10. WG fix it please. With a depression of 5 this tank is nearly useless

[past crane]

It had -5 irl I believe. It’s not an error. Not every tank needs -10 gun depression, and furthermore the Achilles/Charles had a 17-pounder which probably affected its gun depression level.

Double checked, indeed the Achilles did have -10 gun depression, but the -5 is from a gun stop that when used, limited gun depression to -5. Technically, the gun depression level is accurate.

[violet timber]

Makes sense, after all the loader needs to be able to put the shell into the gun without having to expose himself

[blissful osprey]

The E5, arguable was always worse than the 215B, if it weren’t for the extra amount of durability and smidge of armor the E5 has to sustain itself in HT-HT fights. But the DPM nerfs really hurt.

[strange ingot]

215b at least have a somewhat good gun, E5 is just no

[orchid dagger]

Today I ricocheted a T100LT's turrent with my fv183. I've never raged so much before. Let me be honest, that little abomination needs an immediate nerf on dpm and it's troll armour.

[strange ingot]

It should be nerfed into unplayable condition

[orchid dagger]

Exactly like other light tanks

[strange ingot]

The tank is just insanely broken

It just doesn't leave a chance for other meds/lights

[orchid dagger]

I wonder why wargaming made that tank so strong. Its crazy

[plucky summit]

It's just too bad that the nature of Blitz puts light tanks (especially in tier 10) at a tough spot because it's either busted or just a worse medium

[balmy compass]

what about Vickers

[strange ingot]

Funny how almost all of them appear at the game being broken, and then they get nerfed into crap

[plucky summit]

Vickers is effectively a medium, not to say it's much different for T-100 LT

Yes, because each of them needed gimmicks to survive being in tier 10

An autoloader
A MISSILE
Effective Armor
Being FV4202

Last one's a joke of course, but the influence is evident

[balmy compass]

next up: double gun

[violet timber]

After That: “We’ve decided to add in the M1 Abrams. Due to its mobility, it will be classified as a light tank. Deal with it.”

[strange ingot]

So we got a medium MBT - stb/leo
Heavy stb - kpf70
Now for the light and TD one

[thorny smelt]

You mean MBTs?

[balmy compass]

Oh and while we are at it we are also adding the Leopard 2a7 for a crate drop at 0.002% chance for 7 parts, with 200 required to craft the tank

[boreal spruce]

dont forget the gold charm 💰

[balmy compass]

Nah, no charms in this box

[boreal spruce]

😳 😭

[blissful osprey]

Good. It'll make beating up 60TPs much easier.

[brave juniper]

Oh no, i bounced a grille 15 and a leopard 1 in my 183 who have lower armor values than a t100lt i want them nerfed now!!11!1

[misty wing]

what's the ugliest tier 10 collector/prem

[brave juniper]

T95e6, biased opinion

[strange thicket]

concept 1b

[blissful osprey]

Maybe the VK 72? It's a weird bunch of angles and curves. It looks unclean and unfinished, the way it just looks.

[misty wing]

vk72 is tech tree...

[brave juniper]

It's a lowe turret on a weird VK hull concept

[blissful osprey]

Screw me I'm being stupid

[blissful osprey]

In that case... it's gotta be either the 1B or the E6.

[misty wing]

ngl, 260 looks kinda ugly and cool at the same time

[strange thicket]

def 1b
how dare you put the e6 in the same boat?

[hazy warren]

Guys, should I buy SU-130PM or LT-432? For 130PM I already have Skorpion, but still, what ya all think?

[strange thicket]

no need to get the 130pm if you have scorpion
the difference is not too great to warrant a purchase
dunno about the lt432 though

[hazy warren]

Hmmh ok

[blissful osprey]

cugly?

[violet timber]

I love the tank, but it's gotta be the M60. Just doesn't look right without the cupola

[misty wing]

oh yeah m60 looks awful

[blissful osprey]

I mean, I guess it always has

[boreal spruce]

for me t22 or the concept 1b

[willow seal]

T22 defo, buncha triangles with a fat blob on top.
Id rate concept just below Chief, chief being numero uno. Both got that MBTish style

[misty wing]

concept looks pretty cool because it has PBR

[fresh vine]

concept imo, never been much of a fan of the look. especially the back

[strange thicket]

chief and t22 look better than the concept
concept is atrocious

[brave juniper]

260 is an is7 prototype after all

[misty wing]

M60's camo is atrocious

And you can't even replace it

[brave juniper]

I think it looks neat

[misty wing]

I would rather use any normal or legendary camo bar a few really bad ones, like the premium account one

[violet timber]

The only problem I have is that it's not an M60. You can't just take away the cupola, it doesn't work like that

[misty wing]

Yeah it doesn't look very accurate to the real tank

[violet timber]

I would've preferred an A3 turret, but keep the cupola. That way it's different from the M48, and you don't have turret cheeks anymore but you have a larger cupola instead

[blissful osprey]

Well, it must be a really early M60…

Don’t later variants have that slimmer profile?

[violet timber]

It's the first generation turret, but without the cupola

[misty wing]

M60 starship when

[violet timber]

I'd love an A2

It's also got a redesigned turret

A slower Sheridan with much better armor

When was the last time a med had a long reload at tier 10?

Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it won't work. The Chrimera is a med with high alpha, and it's dominating tier 8

There's even the KpfPz 70 which might as well be a med, it's working just fine

Maus had an engine issue, Tiger P had an engine issue, E100 had an engine issue. IRL issues don't matter

And you don't get my point.

Panther 2 isn't a sniper med but okay. Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it won't work. It's got a decent a armor profile, okay speed, and a high alpha gun. I don't see why it wouldn't work tbh

What does that have to do with anything?

[balmy compass]

0

[violet timber]

Except it has what's basically a Concept 1B turret lol

[balmy compass]

Whats the Starship

🗿

[violet timber]

It's got a redesigned turret to handle the 152mm gun

IRL statistics don't matter lmao, this is a video game

[balmy compass]

Oh so thats where that tank is from (I see it in a different game)

[boreal spruce]

WG need to give pbr to the tanks which have unchangeable camos. m60, tiger131, Dracula, hmm, they would look good ngl

[violet timber]

It's in War Thunder and Armored Warfare

@autumn breach I know many people who would love to see a Starship added

[balmy compass]

I dont play either, I saw it in a game called Ravenfield

[violet timber]

Again, it's not the same as an M60. new turret, new gun, pretty different tank

[balmy compass]

Sounds like saying the E3 and E4 are different

[violet timber]

Well they are fundamentally different

[blissful osprey]

I honestly don’t see why they couldn’t use a later variant. Would it really be that hard?

[violet timber]

Or it could be a premium like it's more conventional brother 🤔

[balmy compass]

Imo if WG will add it as tech tree it needs a longer line

[blissful osprey]

I would.

[violet timber]

They could've just used this

@autumn breach Speak for yourself, I'd love one

[balmy compass]

You would be incredibly surprised

[blissful osprey]

Beautiful

[violet timber]

I'd take what's basically a concept 1B turret, which is nearly impenetrable hull down, and combine it with a 560 alpha gun

IRl statistics don't matter. How many times do I need to say this for you to understand?

[blissful osprey]

Nah, it’s

1. an M60

2. an M60 with a 152mm gun

3. an M60

4. Did I say it’s an M60?

I’m buying it.

[balmy compass]

Sheridan had a 30 second reload irl

[violet timber]

I'm not sure why you're latching onto this IRL figure argument, it's one of the worst i've ever seen on this server tbh

[blissful osprey]

They’ll give it 12 second reload and we now have an American meta. Just as it should be.

[balmy compass]

This isn’t War Thunder 😂

[violet timber]

Because game balance??? It's what they've done with literally every other tank in game

[misty wing]

Dude what is up with your pessimism and obsession with real world figures lmao

[balmy compass]

Why would WG add missiles to such a tank anyway

[violet timber]

Again, doesn't have to be tech tree, it can be a premium

This is one of the only non-prototype tanks what WG can add right now, I don't see why it shouldn't be added

[blissful osprey]

It’s a 152mm gun on an MT hull. It’s like the Chim. A high alpha MT that smacks things while being a… ah, well… an MT.

[balmy compass]

Ngl I would love to see it in game, I would probably buy it at somepoint too

[violet timber]

So the first time I say it can be a premium, no one will buy it, but the second time I bring this up it's fine???

[blissful osprey]

Now we just need the HSTVL

[thorny smelt]

I thought it's TL-1 LPC for a moment. Welp

[balmy compass]

Probably not

[violet timber]

Kinda hot, ngl. Reminds me of the Israli T-55 with a 105mm gun

[blissful osprey]

It’s basically a similar concept to the Chim, but at Tier X. Sounds neat.

TL-1 LPC? Sounds interesting .

[balmy compass]

Dont you know that there are so many people who would just dump money on games for anything for no reason?

[misty wing]

5-10 people lmao, I guarantee at least 1000 people bought the least popular premium

[thorny smelt]

Here's the TL-1 LPC

[violet timber]

I know it's basically a 121B, but it's still hot

[blissful osprey]

Eh? It’s not what I expected but okay.

@violet timber I mean, had the 121B have that for a camo I’d probably get it.

[balmy compass]

This is a fairly large game, people pay money all the time from the battlepass to tier X collecters

[boreal spruce]

i hate that tank, its just not my playstyle..
looks good though ngl

[violet timber]

ngl, I'd be kinda surprised if anyone can tell me what this tank is based on

[blissful osprey]

Almost looks like a Magach… idk

[boreal spruce]

laughs in Wot console🤣

[misty wing]

challenger?

[balmy compass]

I doubt we will get more MBTs into this game

[violet timber]

Magach 6 (aka M60), Gal Batash variant

[blissful osprey]

Does this mean I’m correct? Or is it a technical cuz I wasn’t sure?

[violet timber]

It's barely an M60 anymore lol

@blissful osprey Yeah you're right

[balmy compass]

Yeah and tier X would become even more wack with MBTs

[strange thicket]

m48 patton is one of the relevant mediums though? your point is?

[violet timber]

The moment you realize we already have MBTs

[strange thicket]

lmao i just came back to chat and saw that 💀
salty much?

[misty wing]

are you conceding that you lost the argument then

[blissful osprey]

Israelis can make some pretty cool stuff. Though, didn’t the Merkava use it’s armor in a different way that makes repair maintenance harder? Think it was how the armor was layered… not sure where Ai can find evidence

[violet timber]

We have 3 MBTs in tier 8 alone

[balmy compass]

Most of the MBTs are first generation

[misty wing]

those being?

[violet timber]

Yes, but MBTs were made before the Cold War started

@misty wing STA-1, T-44, and the Centurion

[misty wing]

what about the centurion RAAC and M48 raumpanzer

[balmy compass]

Isn’t the raumpanzer fake

[violet timber]

I put the RAAC in with the Cent, much like the T-44-100, but I did forget about the Raum

[misty wing]

it's literally just an m48 with a plow attached, can't really be that fake tbh

[balmy compass]

I doubt its originally German 😂

[violet timber]

The Centurion 1 is the first MBT lol, that is pretty much universally accepted. Then there's the wackos who argue that Panther was the first MBT

[blissful osprey]

It’s in German service, really.

[misty wing]

west germany did

[balmy compass]

Oh, guess I need to learn cold war history

[violet timber]

Oh the T95E2 is in tier 8 as well, so that's 5 MBTs

[misty wing]

might as well count chieftain/t95 then

[violet timber]

Forgot to look at heavies

[blissful osprey]

I’m sorta confused… if the Cent can be considered the first “MBT,” what stops the M48 from being the same as well?

[violet timber]

The Cent was made first

[blissful osprey]

No, I mean as an MBT. Sorry for the confusion.

[misty wing]

122TM is actually pretty historical, idk if you wanna count that as mbt

[violet timber]

M60-2000

@blissful osprey Oh yes, the M48 is an MBT

[blissful osprey]

Im being extra stupid today, it seems.

[balmy compass]

Relatable

[violet timber]

An MBT is generally considered something with enough mobility to perform all combat tasks, enough armor yo bounce opposing tanks, and enough firepower to knock out anything it comes across

[balmy compass]

To bad there isn’t much tank vs tank combat anymore

[violet timber]

The Cent 1 had a kind of lack luster gun, but it did the job, rather nice armor for the time, and good enough mobility to do the job

[blissful osprey]

The Cent never really had composite armor? It came out in 1945 and was seen as the first MBT today due to its ability to have a balanced characteristics

Unless it actually does use composite armor, then good job Brits. Idk, the Cent never interested me.

[violet timber]

Centurions were good for about the first month after they came out, then they were outpaced by everyone else for a few months

[blissful osprey]

Poor Centurion.

[violet timber]

Then the Challenger came out! But, it still used HESH, and against composite armor, it was rather lack luster.

[misty wing]

is m46 patton a med or mbt

[violet timber]

Good question. I personally consider it an MBT due to time period, however this is really up to personal opinion

[blissful osprey]

Do you know why they still used rifle guns? I honestly don’t see why anymore.

[misty wing]

they need it for HESH

[violet timber]

Because rifling spins the HESH rounds, which spreads the explosive more. However, with HESH being awful now, they are making the Chally 3 which has a new turret and the 120mm smoothbore cannon that the Abrams and the Leo 2 use

Rotation makes it more effective

[plucky summit]

Explody shell do gooder when spin? 😳

[violet timber]

I got it from the Chieftain, but okay

[misty wing]

tbh I would consider it a med because it was introduced and then phased out during the same year that the M103 was introduced. The fact that they made a new heavy tank after the M46's service life means that it was never intended to be able to take on that role, and hence it's not an MBT

[blissful osprey]

I remember somebody making the argument that the reason why the M1 still uses the L/44 is because less space is taken up in urban environments.

[violet timber]

Or the Scottish Koala, can't quite remember

[misty wing]

yeah it's partially that, and they believe the depleted uranium ammo should make up the penetration that it would otherwise lack compared to the leo's tungsten

[blissful osprey]

I mean, the M103 was designed around engaging targets from long range, wasn’t it? I suppose MBTs and HTs can still exist at the same time in a battlefield; it just depends on what you want with the tank. If you consider the M46 an MBT, then you might see the reasoning there. I personally just regard it as an MT since it’s really just an improved M26, in many ways.

[balmy compass]

Funky

[violet timber]

The M103 was designed to support your M48s and M60s from a secondary line

[misty wing]

don't get the reference

[balmy compass]

Could you make me a Panther I with a Leopard 1 turret and Lowe gun?

[violet timber]

The A-10 warthog is basically a plane built around the Gau-8

[misty wing]

oh that warthog

I was thinking of the animal lmao

[blissful osprey]

So engaging targets from medium to long range.
@autumn breach I hope that’s a joke, that’s not how it works…. The US has almost always designated their tanks like “Xmm gun-tank, M###

[violet timber]

Pretty much, yes

[plucky summit]

Later 🤷‍♂️

[misty wing]

and ngl I would rather use the FV4005 as the example for the "tank of warthogs"

[balmy compass]

Thats fine with me 👍
Just ping me whenever you finish it on your own time

[balmy compass]

Yet the gun still didn’t fit in that turret

[misty wing]

it worked fine afaik

[blissful osprey]

That doesn’t mean they don’t want the tank to engage targets from longer range. Just because they designed it around the gun (almost any tank is designed around the gun) doesn’t mean they intended for it to drive straight up to a T-54 and shoot point blank.

Bruh my spelling is wack today

It’s designed to be a mobile 120mm gun engaging targets from long range.

So it’s designed around engaging targets from long range. You keep saying as if the long range part isn’t part of the design and it’s just something they found out and decided “huh, who knew it worked like that?”

[balmy compass]

The FV4005 stage II was supposed to house that 183mm autoloader but wouldn’t fit, so only the prototype was built and now exists as a display

Sounds like M103 should be a sniping tank in game 😂

[violet timber]

It was built to be the ultimate anti-tank weapon

[misty wing]

you mean so they got rid of the autoloader

[blissful osprey]

It received the 183mm gun as the Brits feared tanks like the IS-3 and the IS-8. It was never designed around demolition purposes.

[balmy compass]

afaik they didn’t even use the stage II version

[blissful osprey]

That doesn’t mean it was designed as a demolition tank tho

[boreal spruce]

hehe 183mm go brrrr

[misty wing]

technically they didn't "use" either version, but the stage II was tested and it worked decently. They only abandoned the project because it turned out the soviet heavy tanks it was designed to counter weren't as threatening as they thought they would be

[balmy compass]

I see

[violet timber]

Yeah nah, finally found the video. The British used rifled guns for HESH rounds

[blissful osprey]

^^
NATO HT superiority.

[past fractal]

How would M103’s gun perform in today’s warfare? Like against modern Abrams or something

[violet timber]

It would get absolutely obliterated, probably before even seeing the other tank

[misty wing]

nitpicking here but if we're talking IRL it would be the T-10, not IS-8

[balmy compass]

Marshmallow tank vs square Abrams

[past fractal]

No like say the enemy tanks arent moving or firing, like a test on armor penetration or smth

[blissful osprey]

No worries, I said I like the T-10 designation better and I still use the IS-8 -_-

[violet timber]

They had a stockpile because rifled guns are harder to maintain and wear out faster, so they needed a stockpile so they had enough to replace the old ones

[blissful osprey]

It wouldn’t work. The gun is just too old a design.

[violet timber]

The British are finally going to the Smoothbore gun because it has much better anti-tank capabilities

[misty wing]

who are you even talking to

afaik no one brought up apfsds vs other ammo

[blissful osprey]

Good job Brits

[violet timber]

Ngl, the chally 3 do be looking kinda hot

[past fractal]

How about M103’s other ammo types, like its HEAT?

[violet timber]

That would fair worse due to NERA armor

[misty wing]

what's the worst modern era mbt

[violet timber]

I would’ve said the M60, but they aren’t really used anymore since the Marine Corp got rid of them

[valid gale]

You do know how AP and kinetic energy works right

[blissful osprey]

That doesn’t sound like a good example to me.

I remember this one thing in this museum. A bed of spikes (Californian museums can be weird at times) that the staff had you lay down. You never got stabbed by the spikes since you simply covered too much surface area and your wait was never really enough to get the spikes to go through you, or something along the lines of that.

[misty wing]

If they're sending T-90s or older, those aren't modern era MBTs

T-14 armata is unproven but is considered to be one of the world's best on paper

[violet timber]

I love the weird physics behind rifled guns and sabot rounds!