vehicles-discussion

[tiny fern]

Thats my point (that the stat guy above) simply ignored. The MM can be "random" but not at the point the enemy has all the chances to win right from the start.

[hollow moth]

If you know that enemy teams have more meta tanks and your allies go to the wrong side of the map (like if everyone went to the windmill side of Campstilla), you already know that it's a lost battle

As like Baka senpai said, MM isn't fair at all, it's just random

It see tanks through 4 classes (and more 2 sub classes), but for MM, every single vehicle is equally banlanced. MM doesn't know what vehicles are OP and which ones are on "T28 level"

[candid harbor]

mhmmm
description clearly says mm is fair

[tiny fern]

And if I want to continue grinding the Czech branch I need to play tier VII anyway so...

[hollow moth]

Free exp exists for a reason @tiny fern

[tiny fern]

Buy gold for me and I exchange to free xp 🤝

[hollow moth]

But you can get free exp for free easily...

[tiny fern]

I have a disc for t8 and some free xp so its not taking too long

[hollow moth]

Events, battle passes (vaults), battles, battles + boosters, watch ads (after watching the third ad, you get 1500 free exp), watch ads and convert your daily 50 gold into free exp, loot boxes, etc

[tiny fern]

I'm not playing frequently and wont buy the pass. I know all these, I was kidding

[hollow moth]

But the free exp vault is for free 😐

[tiny fern]

I know 😑

[brittle atlas]

whats a fun tank for mad games

[still cave]

Why is Strv 74A2 a blitz nation tank and not counted to the European tech tree ?

[stiff basin]

everything with high octane, everything with ramming rig is the most fun, but also chameleon concealment is cool, irradiator only on some tanks like t49.

so panther 2, t-34-3, t-34-2, hellcat, object 263...

[wooden crater]

because strv74a2 and wzblaze existed before their nations' tech trees existed, and it seems that WG doesn't have a way of moving a tank from one nation to another, or at least without mucking up something else down the chain, like player stats
or, what's more likely, is that just changing the tank's flag is easier, and it gets most people to stop complaining

[fresh vine]

german heavies

[still cave]

ah ok that makes sense, thanks

[rugged meadow]

How do you guys play the KV-1? I have it in my garage but can't handle it at all... Do you SideScrape or Peek-a-boom?

[plucky summit]

Neither, it's a useless tank now

[rugged meadow]

ok... so just skip it?

[hollow moth]

treat it as like every other simple tier 5

• Research
• Fexp every module (if possible)
• Play a bit to avoid wasting too much free exp
• Fexp the research to the tier 6 (if possible)
• Forget that this tank existed

There's some tier 5 that are funny and worth the seal clubbing

But KV-1 isn't one of those anymore

[solid gate]

Is Wz-113 line worth to research it?

[lime nest]

the 113 is very very good, definitely worth it

[hasty ridge]

Can wg just add those mgs on Fury like in this pic?(just wanting it looking better)

[solid gate]

Ok thank you

[quiet heart]

the 113 is a good line but the 121 is a MUCH better tank imo. The only problem with the 121 line is the 120 and its 3 degrees of gun depression. Anyways, no matter which line u go for, it'll be a lot easier for you to get the other since the chinese meds and heavies share a lot of guns

[lofty zodiac]

wz 120 1 ft is too op

[quiet heart]

oh cmon, that was last weeks OP premium tank, now it's all about the OP Smaher's and Annihilators lol

[hollow notch]

*years

Its hp pool cant compete directly with heavies anymore.

[river saffron]

How do I play the tortoise? I had it sitting collecting dust for quite a while now

[wooden crater]

if you already have the 183, just sell the tortoise. it has basically no redeeming qualitites.

[river saffron]

I was trying to get it but stock tortoise is horrendous

[gentle wasp]

Save up free xp and discount certs or wait for a game mode.

[river saffron]

Oof

It’s a shame. I liked most of the AT’s

[wooden crater]

the armor doesn't get much thicker from the t5 up to the t9
armor that works reasonably well in t7 isn't going to hold up in t9 at all

[solid gate]

2nd line support. Never go front line, as your armor is bad. You can try to snipe as well. And if you don't have top gun, free xp it.

Playing tortoise stock is such a bad idea. You lack everything, mobility, gun and armor.

[solid gate]

Just planning to sell all below tier 6 tanks away. Cannot access to game with those takes over 3 minutes for matchmaker to get opponent.

[warm pewter]

Been wondering why the Maus is top tier until watching a replay and noticing how nimble a 188 ton tank moves, it’s insane

[plucky summit]

Normal mode, yeah?

[lofty zodiac]

is wz 120 1 ft too op?

[static harness]

It's pretty damn good as long as people don't shoot gold
(Only played against it, don't own it)

[potent elbow]

Ok i love the Rhm

I feel like the armor isn’t that bad if we look at what gun it has. It’s also pretty fast. I love it

[stark mason]

Although kv-2 has a good derp gun it's Ram is also good. And kv-3 has a good damage too it's health is godly

👍 👍

[glass relic]

First time knowing someone called a literal paper TD has a not so bad armor.

[static harness]

The middle part of the tracks is apparently impenetrable
(According to my experience playing it and against it)

[hollow notch]

Grille has great armor. The op HE proof gun

[glass relic]

Technically the gun is a baseball bat and the enemy is the pitcher while you're the batter.

[hollow notch]

Especially with ATGMs

[glass relic]

But yeah grille has stupid armor, ironically it's way more trolly to HE it from the back than the front cause of no hitskins.

[hollow notch]

Not really anymore

[glass relic]

Wait what, when did that added up.

[hollow notch]

Years ago m8

[glass relic]

Huh, weird but i sometimes hit it's breech tho.

[idle merlin]

I need help deciding on what camo I should put on the T29 lol

any suggestions?

[plucky summit]

Blitzhangar says there's a breech

[keen garnet]

This one, looks much better

[plucky summit]

(Code Chaos)

[keen garnet]

Yup
One of my Favorite Camos in the entire game

[idle merlin]

Thanks, I've been thinking about it but could never decide😂

[warm pewter]

I understand it's in testing, but wow is the Turtle's armor insane

Pretty much a mini-Badger at T8 with double the gun arc

[plucky summit]

Who cares about armor, that DPM is kinda cracked

[warm pewter]

Yeah, that too, but you should be able to outmaneuver it so you don't take so much damage

[plucky summit]

It's actually scary how it's nearly impossible for most tier 8 tanks to pen it when it's "hull" down

[warm pewter]

I understand why testing tanks* are* given to great players, it's to make people see their unnerfed strong statistics on very good players so the people that get decimated by it then buys it when it comes to live at any cost, without even possibly knowing how it was nerfed

[plucky summit]

I mean if they commonly use Blitzhangar, the nerfs are clear :p

But yes, very clever marketing strategy

[warm pewter]

Yeah, true, but most of the people who buy premiums are not above-average/unicum+ to really know to check armor models

[plucky summit]

If you have 235 AP pen or higher, the armor when it directly faces you fails

You gotta load prammo

[warm pewter]

It's laughably sad how it makes the Tortoise's armor seem

[plucky summit]

Tiny lower plate, mediums can't touch, it can still shoot back at the perfect angle (it can autobounce and if you angle too much before 70 degrees, you won't be able to shoot the enemy)

Fun fact: The only tanks that are, on average, able to penetrate Action X's turret's underside (401mm), are WZ-113 FT, Foch 155, Jg Pz E100, and Obj. 268

If said Action X uses enhanced armor, only two tanks can reliably penetrate it, with only 1mm of wiggle room from average

[river saffron]

So a better tortoise down a tier

[warm pewter]

Pretty much

[solid gate]

Is it easy to learn the amx 50B line? From t6 to t10 I mean

[lyric oriole]

Uh, the tier 6 and 7 don't really teach you much about the line, the Tier 7 teaches you how you can't rely on the armor anymore.

Starting tier 8 you'll get a feel for how the 50 B line is

I would also say that the tier 8 isn't a terrible teach either, so long as you already have the DCA 90mm already unlocked on ARL/AMX M4 45

[clear cape]

whats the programme called and where do i download it on pc?

[solid gate]

Ok thanks a lot for the help

[lyric oriole]

Np

[calm drum]

BotWG2#4692 has been warned.

[solid gate]

What means cussing

[lyric oriole]

Inappropriate language

[solid gate]

What did i say? I didnt swear at all lmao

[lyric oriole]

Anyways, the Tier 8 is pretty awful

Easily the worst tier 8 TD there is

[solid gate]

Then im just pro with it

[lofty zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819275026809356319/819288520174600212/Screenshot_20210310_181757_net.wargaming.wot.blitz.jpg omg i see a turtle mk. 1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819275026809356319/819288519510982707/Screenshot_20210310_181813_net.wargaming.wot.blitz.jpg

nice

[manic carbon]

I totally haven’t seen that image 50,000 times

[stoic hornet]

Flying tank!

[solid gate]

Also spammed

[stoic hornet]

WHO spammed bro

[granite bloom]

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.a2b00a65d7de734380f7980546da203f&pid=Api&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FKkI2TNDaYLJ8k%2Fgiphy.gif&ehk=vBdywlIxGwYNrmpiuHUS%2FLa1n8JuBlbFz6b6rScagzQ%3D

[solid gate]

Yoh tank looks interesting, hoping it has good armour profile

[static harness]

How in the literal duck
Did this deal damage to me?
Shot from a 4005 that was slightly below me

[plucky summit]

I mean the 4005 is really tall

Maybe the shell changed path when it hit the spaced armor o-o

[static harness]

Wouldn't surprise me
Have seen way to many bounce pens lately

[plucky summit]

Same, but I love it

[static harness]

but not if it happens to you

[plucky summit]

It rarely does :p

[winter oar]

This tank before 5.5 or so was deadly in Tier III.

[neat nimbus]

is a worth the tank?

[wise moth]

For the 5000 gold bundle in the shop, the T26E5 is absolutely worth it

[nocturne tiger]

I may sound like an idiot, but what's good about the T26E5?

[past crane]

It's good. Everything you want the T32 to be, just a solid US hulldown tank.

[hoary mist]

@neat nimbus totally worth it for 5k

[wise moth]

@nocturne tiger Great turret, -10 gun depression, decent mobility, and great DPM

[hoary mist]

And an pretty good Handling the weapon

[neat nimbus]

kinda felt i need more gold

not even ads or booster

i didnt know it has better octane fuel

[topaz haven]

Help?

[solid gate]

Use gun rammer, gun laying drive, refined gun, enhanced armor, toolbox, optics, and engine accelerator. Rest is your pick.

You can use calibrated shells too as you don't lose that much dpm, and helps with penning heavily armored tanks like tiger 2.

[hoary mist]

1-1-2 2-2-2 1-2-2 depend if you use both ops consumables

[copper swan]

So play T26E5 as a hulldown/support heavy?

[solemn hemlock]

Yes

[hoary mist]

Yep

[copper swan]

Name the rankings of the following tanks according to your opinion: Chrysler K, a T26E5, a T34, Object 252U and Action X

[pseudo cave]

OK we need to talk about the Tiger P

The tank has been powercreeped yet again by all these new ridiculous tier 7 tanks.

[solid gate]

Tier 7 has been the worst tier for a while now, this is nothing new.

[past summit]

Guys how to use tier V leopard?

[glass relic]

Flank and become a BF109F4

[gentle wasp]

T26E5 T34 252u AX Chrysler K best to worst

[solid gate]

I’d put t34 below AX tbh that things too thin and bleeds too much to be a threat anymore

[solid gate]

21 mil credits nice

Is the Panther M10 a decent tank?

[nocturne tiger]

it's literally just a stock Panther

[stiff basin]

buy something else if you want to buy it

[acoustic ginkgo]

Its a good tank,but... should i buy it ?

[hoary mist]

@copper swan action x, 252u, Chrysler, t34, t26e5 if are necesary i was void

The armoe and mobility of Chrysler are so good The only problem with the tank is its t32 gun

[bronze dawn]

I saw that the new Tier X's tank name is gold, does that mean it's premium or it's in the tech tree and it's researchable?

[acoustic ginkgo]

I dont think t34 is good

[burnt rain]

Hey guys, is Dicker max good?
I just got a bundle for 2k golds. Including: Dicker max, 30d premium, slots, camo, powerups. Seems very good to me for the price, should I buy? Is it a good tank?
I got 5k golds, I bought a new premium just recently and I dont want to spend gold again lol. I want to save up for a better tier prem, but this seems rlly good. Your opinion?

[acoustic ginkgo]

Can you send me a screenshot ?

[covert thunder]

Hello im back

How can i join a server?

[keen garnet]

Not the place to discuss this but just click the + sign in your server list

[acoustic ginkgo]

The sever is busy aghhhhhhhhh

[acoustic ginkgo]

It depends on you

[woeful root]

How to churchill VII

[hoary mist]

@woeful root its simple use your tank on first line with her dpm. You're too slow so You'll need your team's company and its support. Don't make sidecrapping because you don't have good side armor so use the frintal more than anything, you can also take out any front tracks by having you shot but without dmg

[woeful root]

Ok thx

[errant rapids]

Brazillian Bulldog, who wants that?

[hollow moth]

^
Even if it comes as a re-skin of the LekPz, or as a legendary camouflage of the normal bulldog. We simply want, need and deserve this.

[errant rapids]

aka M41B

I have a lot of vehicle ideas

Let's say, the Sh'ot Kal or the Israeli M-51 (i know that the M4A1 Rev is similar to this)

[keen garnet]

@soft bridge Dispersion is .29
You asked in #819545957561401436

[soft bridge]

cool

[errant rapids]

The difference between the M-51 and Rev is that the M-51 is based on the M4A1 with HVSS (basically a tier 5 Sherman hull with tier 6 Easy 8 suspension). It also mostly operates on sandy soil so, it has a greater soft terrain resistance than the Rev.

The similarities are the same engine, same hull armor, and same terrain stats except soft.

of course, same 105 mm gun from the Rev

but this time, the HEAT and HE are primary ammunition, premium ammo is a higher pen HEAT

[burnt rain]

@acoustic ginkgo yep this one

Is Dicker a good credit maker? I saw it has almost the highest coeficient from all tier 6s

And 30 days premium itself is 2k gold... I think I'll buy it.

[errant rapids]

#vehicles-discussion shot trap mechanics

[kindred wren]

There are no shot traps in Blitz. We have a ricochet mechanic but that only works once

[acoustic ginkgo]

it all depends on you

if i am you
i will skip it

[acoustic ginkgo]

idk man i like the k91 more
or the smasher
it make for me a lot of credits

[solid gate]

@kindred wren it works upto 3 times actually

[kindred wren]

No, it ricochets once and loses 25% of its pen, another ricochet will cause the shell to disappear

[keen garnet]

I'm pretty sure you can ricochet up to 3 times

[solid gate]

T54 bounced the same sheridan round twice

[quiet heart]

lmao, ez damage blocked farming

[kindred wren]

This would only show that the shell can ricochet once. You’d have to show that it actually continues flying

https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/15409/#section_1
Point five of the basic principles

[quiet heart]

how bad is the stock skoda t50

[stiff basin]

better than stock t95 and ST-I, grind it during Mad Games

[quiet heart]

lol that's not saying much but thx

[foggy thistle]

What is mad games

[tepid geyser]

a game mode

[stiff basin]

It's good for a stock grind

[honest ice]

It has a hard-hitting cannon, and a passable level of mobility, but you'll be quite limited in your role with its low armor.

Quite good imo

Its high gun depression is its best trait. Exploit ridgelines , mounds and you can support your best teammats from the rear.

[hasty vessel]

I think after mad games battles my game got mad...

Who else got this...it is my first experience ever.

[gentle wasp]

you don't have enough credits

[manic carbon]

Broke boi

[quick thicket]

I’ve never been broke so I didn’t even know that was a thing, that’s pretty neat tbh

[foggy thistle]

Guys how good is the B1

[ruby lintel]

Its a good tank overall. I like the matilda a bit more tho.

[sudden plover]

Any strong opinions on the chrysler k? Been looking to get a tier 8 premium but can't convince myself to pull the trigger on anything

[plucky summit]

Lowe is the best investment

[lyric oriole]

*Most boring

T26E5 is a better investment than Löwe

[plucky summit]

I find Lowe engaging on using armor and aiming

Well, at least it has that 10%

[lyric oriole]

If it had armor and a not Accurate gun I would agree

[plucky summit]

I find it has a very interesting armor profile

[lyric oriole]

Interesting... Isn't wrong...

[plucky summit]

Designed to handle ridges, and sometimes sidescrape, of course prammo is a thing though, it's at that perfect height

[lyric oriole]

By perfect height I assume always exposed

[plucky summit]

Perfect to sidescrape hulldown with ridges

[lyric oriole]

The Löwe is riddled with weakspots

It has a turret bulge on the side of the hull

The entire turret is a liability

[plucky summit]

I'd definitely trust that bulge with a 122mm o-o

[lyric oriole]

And the hull isn't that strong

You still gotta shoot at some point, it certainly won't be that hard to force a trade

[plucky summit]

Well, it's quite strong, even against itself

Sure the turret isn't to be trusted much, but wiggling that gun mantlet hasn't done much harm

[kindred wren]

I don’t think that the Löwe turret is an easy target. I go for the lower plate whenever I can

[plucky summit]

Best part is, you can play quite terribly, but it'll pump credits

Unfortunately, T26E5 can't sidescrape as reliably, though the turret is very strong, and I guess it'll be more demanding of the gun

Since 240 isn't all that threatening on a conservative fight

[hollow notch]

Those triangles on the lowe cheeks really eat a lot of shells

And the t26e5 has just enough rof to permatrack

[plucky summit]

Same price, an ol' reliable or a newer hardhead

[hollow notch]

Also, the t26 is mobile enough to keep up with the meds. Against say, a pershing, it has every advantage

[plucky summit]

True, 6E5 has the reliable option to bully mediums, and Lowe is often attributed for being slow, though in its defense it won't need to move that much in its heavy brawls

[hollow notch]

The 26e5 is the perfect middle ground between the shark and AX.
RIP Spersh which is supposed to be the exact same thing but is worse in every way

[ornate temple]

If we aren't testers, are we allowed to talk about tanks that are being tested or that's forbidden? @calm inlet (sry for the ping ur the first mod I saw lol)

Bcs I'd like to share my thoughts on the 907 🍞

mods u there?

[static harness]

People have been talking about test tanks forever now
And I've never seen any consequences

[kindred wren]

Consequences in which ways?

[static harness]

Who knows?
Never seen smth

[kindred wren]

What do you mean?

Numerous test tanks were rebalanced (nerfed) before release

[static harness]

Think we are taking about different consequences here m8

[honest ice]

man the arl stock gun, is it worth free exp'ing it to the 90mm DCA45?

[kindred wren]

That’s why I’m asking which consequences you talk about

[static harness]

Context to "am I allowed to talk about testank x"
"No consequences"
-> nothing will happen to you if you do

[kindred wren]

Oh, it’s testers who mustn’t, everyone else can say whatever they want about the tanks

[ornate temple]

Oh well, in that case

[sudden plover]

Thanks for all that input on the lowe vs t26e5. Gave me plenty to chew on

[plucky rain]

Yes

[honest ice]

aight yea

i basically become a light tank with 135mm in tier 7 matchups

[plucky rain]

ARL 44 is not a light tank

[honest ice]

oh i mean in armament xd

[plucky rain]

It's a heavy
ARL 44 armour might work against some tier 7 lights and mediums but not some heavies and tds

Stay away from (most) tank destroyers because they would penetrate you easy

[stuck meadow]

Should i continue the grind on vickers (20k more xp need) and get the vickers light, or is a waste of garage space?

[wooden crater]

vickers light is pretty good

[spare mason]

type 61 stock makes me sad

no damage no armor and nothing to compensate, i really hope it gets better

[lyric oriole]

The issue is the heavy buffs

It was solid before them

[onyx sluice]

Is the Pz 38H worth getting?

[lyric oriole]

No

It lost all purpose after 5.5

[onyx sluice]

Okay.

[stray verge]

Yo do any of y’all know if the t34 (any of the 2) will come back to shop? I want to get one but I don’t want to pay 7600gold for it

[lyric oriole]

If you wait until the 4th ods are it will roll back around as the skinned version or such

[stray verge]

Cool thx

[quiet raven]

E25 and Stug3 has the same gun?

[fluid parrot]

Any tips for Standard B?

[keen garnet]

HE

[agile prawn]

Yes got the T34(1776) for 5k gold

[spice spear]

Does this tank exist in the world of tanks blitz ?

[keen garnet]

Not yet
It's in testing phase

[charred dagger]

Are u guys suddenly downloading files in wotb too?

[keen garnet]

No

[neat nimbus]

I'm afraid of WG releasing a tier 6 premium in crates that would be a lame excuse and definitely people will make that chad vs virgin meme except battle pass are the chad and crates are the virgin

[solid gate]

What

[errant rapids]

did #vehicles-discussion mentions of the problems of classifying sheridan ammunition (heat, apcr, etc.)?

because i research the internet about the shells for the sheridan’s xm150e4 and i dunno if this thing is still heated amongst history nerds like me

[glass relic]

You can't expect historical accuracy that much in this game, if that's what you wanted to know on why sherry has an APCR n such.

[errant rapids]

yeah nahhh

[honest ice]

after tier 5 historical accuracy went straight out the window, and down 10 floors

[covert thunder]

I always high explosive when i can't pen.

[gentle comet]

Is T54 a good tank or bad ?

[keen garnet]

Yes

[gentle comet]

Yes what

[spark basin]

good

[nocturne tiger]

After through many battles, mixed wins and loss, I finally got the BL-10!

[humble island]

Whats better, the Tier X Ho-Ri or the Jg. Pz ?

[stiff basin]

I don't have any of that, but everyone is saying that Ho-Ri is better

[keen garnet]

Ho Ri is better but Jagdpanzer E100 is fun if you know how to go frontline with it

[errant rapids]

Ho-Ri is a rear gunned Foch so use like it

[spark basin]

flat foch

[static harness]

Difference being that the Ho Ri can actually hit stuff

[keen garnet]

There's not much of a difference
And considering the caliber of the Jg Pz E100, it's accuracy is superb

[quasi fulcrum]

Many of the french tanks have bad front armor (expecially the heavy AMX).
Would others agree on that there would more players liking the french tanks (I am hating them) if there would be EBR 105 as in World of Tanks in the game?

[tepid loom]

Yo, may I ask when is the best time to buy alot of premium tanks? (no gambling)
I already prepared like 20k gold and dont want to waste it like smasher crates (rip 30k gold)

[keen garnet]

During the Black Friday sale
November

[onyx sluice]

I've got 3 mastery badges but there are no parts for the Loza Sherman in the storage.
What am I doing wrong?

[spark basin]

play tier 5 and above tanks

[onyx sluice]

Thanks.

[somber burrow]

Remove Tog 2

[fresh vine]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[rocky bridge]

Hallo people i have problems in ping and loss why ?? I play in Europa

[rocky bridge]

Please answer my question

[fresh vine]

it probably has to do with your internet. ask the question in #585463961730940929

[quiet heart]

if you have nothing useful to say, you should leave (deleted it bcuz there's no point in creating a useful arguement if you're just gonna say "idc" at the end)

[solid gate]

How I use Rheinmetall-Borsig Waffenträger

[rocky bridge]

How question eu server please I don’t now

[fresh vine]

ask your question in the chat called #585463961730940929 , you might get an answer there

[solid gate]

That works with PaK 44, but with the 15 cm PaK L/29.5?

...

[rocky bridge]

I'm sorry where I got in to send them

[manic carbon]

You need to go to #surveys, scroll to the top, and get the EU role to see #585463961730940929

[fresh vine]

ohhh, im sorry for the confusion. do what martin said

[solid gate]

Accuracy is hell's crap

[static harness]

How tf is the t9 even smaller than the t10
What is this thing

[rugged meadow]

Is the Loza's or the Firely better?

and in the VK 16.02 Leopard (Tier 5), should I first get the gun?

[lyric oriole]

Yes, get the gun

And Firefly is awful

[rugged meadow]

ok, thanks

[gentle wasp]

Loza's is definitely better but that doesn't make it anything other than mediocre

[rugged meadow]

what's mediocre?

[gentle wasp]

completely average

[lyric oriole]

It's just the tank as a whole, the gun, the armor, the mobility. Nothing stands out in particular

[rugged meadow]

ok, thanks

[past crane]

Gun is good on Firefly but it's best to play it as least as possible

[gentle wasp]

the problem is that it isn't nearly good enough. it's a gun only tank and you give up everything just for some pen. pretty sad.

[past crane]

Yeah, even the gun depression sucks.

[solid gate]

lol this might be op

[lyric oriole]

I can already tell it's gonna suck

That armor profile is predictable and it's not very common (basically not at all) for wargaming to give assault tanks armor in blitz

It's gonna be slow

That's it

[dusty copper]

That tank looks stupid looks like a turret welded to tracks

[charred vigil]

yeah patton turret with some tracks, what is with all these ugly american tanks wargaming cmon.

[livid yacht]

So that's why they don't buff the T28

[hollow notch]

They are too busy nerfing churchills to buff the t28

[solid gate]

I think it is better to put the real T28 (without that front plate) than to put this TS-5

this TS-5 is very ugly

We should add every german tank of WWII, the tech tree feels half empty

[solid gate]

I agree

But the game's T28 has a strange faceplate that it shouldn't have

I think this front plate is very ugly on the T28

I think Wargaming should remove this board from the T28

board ugly

It’s one of the reasons I want to remove this board

I think there should be an advantage, there’s no real T28

[hollow notch]

T95 and t28 are the same tank. They just removed the outer tracks of the actual tank (for train transport) and called it a separate thing in wot

[quiet heart]

there's smth similar with the sheridan. The real sheridan isn't as boxy as compared to the in game sheridan

[hollow notch]

Real sherry is the production version. The blitz one is the prototype

[solid gate]

but I think they should put the real tanks and not the prototypes, between a real and a prototype put the real

I don't understand Wargaming's difficulty in making a right tank with the original design

[brazen holly]

looks at M48 Patton

[quiet heart]

The in game m48 patton looks more like the upgraded Israeli version that doesnt have a massive cupola. Honestly, I wish WG gave the m48 patton its cupola back but gave it impenetrable armor (like the e3), or just made the cupola spaced armor (like on the skoda t50/51)

[brazen holly]

I remember reading somewhere, the M48 we have has the wrong turret and gun configuration, PC had the same problem but sometimes ago the M48A1 was updated and changed to the M48A5 or something

[solid gate]

Thanks friend

Ingame depiction is an A5 patton
@solid gate the T28 was added when blitz truly was balanced a design like that is way too strong as TS-5 has shown on pc a weak spot was needed

[lyric oriole]

@solid gate english

[solid gate]

My English is not good

Chrysler K good or no?

[lyric oriole]

It's pretty solid, great turret, good hull, mobile

[solid gate]

I think the T28 has a lot of weaknesses, the tank was made to be armored at the front, I think it was explored to at least get that out of the T28

Oh so it’s like a T34, debating on getting it or saving for the M-VI tanks..

[solid gate]

that's what i wanted to say

[lyric oriole]

Could be in a better spot

Just give it 75mm sides like T28 Defender and it will do a lot better

The fact that it can't angle at all hurts the armor a lot

[solid gate]

When is it that the new US tanks show up?

[lyric oriole]

Nobody knows

We just know they'll be here eventually

Probably like 6-8 months from now

[solid gate]

Oh, that gives me lots of time to grind credits

Is the T26E5 for 5K also a good deal?

[lyric oriole]

Yes, it's a very good deal, it's if a Pershing were good basically, solid turret and ok hull, Good DPM based gun, and of course good gun depression

[solid gate]

Hmm as a Pershing collector I’ll get it, also the the Pershing was always good..

[trim heart]

Welp, I got the Kranvagn. I guess I'll go for the WZ-121, now. Back to grinding...

[empty lake]

Isn't Jagdpanther 2 just a fictional tank?

[wooden crater]

technically yes, but due to supply constraints the germans would make tank destroyers out of whatever hulls they had lying around (see: ferdinand, stug4)
so if the panther 2 ever actually went into production, it's almost certain that a jagdpanther 2 would exist sooner or later

[plain wagon]

I want to know how much damage does a max roll hesh round from a fv215b 183 do?

[wooden crater]

1300*1.25=1625

[neat nimbus]

no gonna make it

[past crane]

It was designed but on the panther hull not the panther II which had been dead for a while before the Jagdpanther with the rear casemate and 12.8cm gun design was proposed.

[neat nimbus]

i will buy parts and see how far i can make

[solid gate]

It's real but based in Panther hull and not Panther II

He’s answered already

[spare mason]

what's a high skill cap tank i can grind to practice mechanics?

[hollow notch]

That's a very open question. Premium, techtree, workable armor, high mobility, op gun, situational?

Also, what kind of mechanics, there are a lot.

[pure grail]

Oof

[ember bobcat]

Fv4202

[fluid parrot]

Any tips for Standard B?

[ember bobcat]

Nothing unusual for mediums: spot, flank, try not to show anything other than turret cuz ur armor is nonexistent

[keen garnet]

^^
Also, use the high-pen HE that is has, if you pen all 3, that's 1200 dmg in 6s
That's enough to almost completely delete Low Tier opponents

[stuck meadow]

TOG II OP

[hearty wren]

To the people with angry conner who plays this while playing said tank

[spare mason]

is the whole line good? im on cromwell right now so its gonna be a while

[ember bobcat]

The whole line besides the t8 centurion. It has an awesome gun with good turret armor, but the mobility and hull are a real let down

[calm adder]

deathstar defender

[keen garnet]

Objectpanzer E100268b 183 Defender

[rugged meadow]

which tech tree tanks are used for tournaments? (T6,8 and 10?)

[jovial latch]

Why is the gun upgrade for the tier 7 more expensive than the tier 8 tank research ?

[nocturne tiger]

You literally got research discount...

[wooden crater]

you got that big orange marker right there

[split sail]

O-47 is not good at all ...

[split sail]

Finaly ...

[flint eagle]

183 Helsing

[barren sleet]

i've just purchased the conway. I've made some games with it. I find its gun good but for me it needs a serious buff for mobility. It turns too slow. I hope WG will buff it in one of the future updates. It has the hull of comet family so its turn rate should be logically better than it is.

[solid gate]

Doesn't Conway have Centurion hull?

[stiff basin]

Do you use super engine boost?

[barren sleet]

Centurion is a development of comet

[onyx orbit]

Did the IS front hull armor gets buffed?

[spark basin]

yeah some time back

[nocturne tiger]

Is the E-50 any good?

[spark basin]

good job, how many battles before you mastered it though

[split sail]

About 15

[spark basin]

nice

[ocean nebula]

Should I grind for the grille 15 or for the new med tank the tvp something

[brittle snow]

That's like asking if you want burgers or chicken for lunch. You can't compare the 2

[compact pewter]

Is There any info If the Locust becomes available again?

[ashen summit]

anyone know that the ability of su 100 is in mad rounds

[compact pewter]

The 50 meter Jump forward or backward

[ashen summit]

atm im using an su 85 and getting killed as a medic by ramming hellcats is quite annoying

oh wait
so its that ability that makes tanks zip forward with that blue line like the agent?

[compact pewter]

Oh my god I just got Ultra confused

No i had the Reload near allies boost and Zip 50 metres forward or backwards

[ashen summit]

does the su 100 still have the medic abilities or no

[compact pewter]

The answer is no

[ashen summit]

oh rip

[compact pewter]

Yeah Sad but good with a Medic with that tank unstoppable force

[ashen summit]

isnt it a td
oh wait does it have an upgraded turret

[compact pewter]

Yeah no its RuSsIaN and Only some american TDs have the turrets

[gentle wasp]

British tds

[brittle snow]

Some german tds

[lyric copper]

you got the top engine yet? Plus, the Conway is based on a Centurion hull, not a comet

[gentle wasp]

because

because WG

[solid gate]

Call they "Waffenträgers"

[plucky summit]

You did not just call HESH weak.

670's nothing to joke of xD

Well if it gets buffed Conway would be cracked again

It's in to way a back tank, just grind to 4005

[idle elm]

okay someone explain how a FV215B can reload faster than a Leopard 1

cause i feel like 400 alpha, troll armor, and a 5 second reload for a heavy is broken as hell

[floral rain]

how does a 215b get a 5 second reload

[idle elm]

uh well my reload for Leopard 1 is 5.7 and the guy i was 1v1'ing shot every time i shot at around the same time

[floral rain]

adrenaline consumable?

[solid gate]

It reaches around above 6 seconds

[idle elm]

nope didnt use it

[idle elm]

bruh 400 alpha and 6 seconds
nerf please

[floral rain]

off of blitzstars the fastest reload possible is 7.33 seconds with rammer and double food so unless they maxed out adrenaline rush?

[solid gate]

Nah adrenaline will bring it down to 6 adrenaline rush is around 5 max

[idle elm]

how? the stock reload is already 8 seconds
it cant be only 7.33

[lyric oriole]

This is the lowest possible reload

[wheat meteor]

What tank is that one?

[lyric oriole]

FV215b

[floral rain]

without adrenaline consumable that's 6.77 second reload which is still 1 second slower than rammer leopard 1

[lyric oriole]

Aka

Impossible to achieve a lower reload than Leopard constantly since Rage is needed

And adrenaline

Rage is actually the biggest factor since it only activates after a kill, then the Adrenaline consumable since he says it wasn't used

[solid gate]

But basically the 215Bs potential damage is higher and faster it’s no surprise he just got slaughtered

[lyric oriole]

Maybe he didn't realize he was getting HESHed

[hollow notch]

@solid gate

[solid gate]

... Nothing special, it's showing top and bottom turret armour.

[hollow notch]

Oh, you're special alright

[solid gate]

?

[hollow notch]

170=/=201 the last time I checked

[solid gate]

@hollow notch I believe this is what’s called mental gymnastics

[static harness]

It honestly is amusing to read

[solid gate]

What gymnastics, lmao.
@solid gate (I'm asking you)

[floral rain]

Asks for differences
Shows differences
REEE.jpg

[plucky summit]

Ok, @solid gate , he is aiming at the same spot on an IS-5 from PC, and an IS-5 on Blitz in order to show how different the two games have been balanced to be

[solid gate]

Ok

[neat nimbus]

worst match ever

[plucky summit]

Seems like a balanced match tho, average one could claim

[solid gate]

TS-5 looks like a turret with tracks...

Yes that’s what a tank is

[glass relic]

Fatton hull fat has moved to it's turret and made a huge clump to the point it become one with the hull.

[ashen summit]

any ideas on preventing being instantlykilled by hellcats as a su85 medic?

[hollow moth]

It's simple, all you have to do is don't die (just joking)

[charred vigil]

is5 literally costs 1500 gold @solid gate boi I don't think it has to be super good. It's really good for the price

[solid gate]

@charred vigil No problem about the armour because it's better than the IS-3, IS-6 and IS-8 but the fact that the DPM is at 2000 I barely can kill anyone.

Even if it has no armour and has DPM I have no trouble with it.

[plucky summit]

T-2020 pre-buff ez play

[solid gate]

The IS-6 might not have super cool front armour but it's DPM is at 2300+.

[floral rain]

Why is dpm such a huge deciding factor for you

[charred vigil]

Huh well I can play is5 perfectly fine I don't see what your problem is. Maybe focus on getting shots out by aiming and bada bing bada boom damage. Not everything relies on dpm

[solid gate]

Because DPM makes a tank buddy.

[charred vigil]

Dpm certainly does not make a tank. Lots of tanks perform great with low dpm

[solid gate]

Yes for low tiers, but what about fighting people who have over 2000 hitpoints?

[plucky summit]

Kranvagn @solid gate

[charred vigil]

Land 5x400 damage shots and Boom 2k damage ez

[floral rain]

Dpm is even less important in high tiers because it shifts towards a peek battle and unless you are firing on reload the dpm numbers are wildly inconsistent

[solid gate]

Ok what will you say about IS-6 DPM?

[plucky summit]

Do you think ISU-152 with the VIII 122mm is OP? @solid gate

[charred vigil]

If you don't like low dpm tanks I don't think russian heavies are a good fit for you bud

[solid gate]

Yes it's capable of ammoracking you.

[plucky summit]

Everything is...

[charred vigil]

Is6 has worse dpm than is5 what are you talking about

[plucky summit]

@solid gate wait did you just base an OP tank off of an ability to ammorack like every other tank? 😂

[solid gate]

@solid gate leopard 1 has the highest dpm of the meds at tier 10 and it’s one of the worst mediums win rate speaking

Wait a moment....

[floral rain]

nothing wrong with is6 dpm, it's average for a 122mm soviet heavy

[charred vigil]

Huh wait a moment Why does this 122mm Is6 have worse dpm than is5 Huuuhhh I thought U said is6 had more dpm

[solid gate]

There is no point where I said IS-6 DPM was awful.

[floral rain]

it does on the dpm gun

[plucky summit]

Sure ISU-152 has the highest crew damage in tier 8, with the 152mm, but I said the 122mm

[charred vigil]

The dpm gun has 175mm pen its no good, having more pen is better than dpm

[floral rain]

yes because that's the dpm gun with absolutely no pen at tier 8

[solid gate]

Yes, it has 2363 DPM.

[floral rain]

if you understand basic numbers 221 > 175

[charred vigil]

Theres a difference between Statistical dpm, and effective Dpm @solid gate . How will you output the dpm If you can't pen anything?

[solid gate]

Ok what will you say about VK 100 (P) and Tiger II?

[plucky summit]

They can pen fine

[floral rain]

i have no idea what vk you're talking about but the 45.02a is garbage. tiger 2 is insane at tier 8

[solid gate]

No, the DPM.

[fast compass]

Dpm isn't everything

[charred vigil]

Yes the tiger II has 68 more dpm than is5 WoW big Difference eh?

[plucky summit]

☝️

[solid gate]

Yes, but I said that's what makes a tank. If you have tier X without DPM you can't kill anyone.

[floral rain]

what is with you and dpm lmao. Object 263. 3800 DPM with rammer. T110E3, not even 3000 DPM with rammer. Why is the 263 not the highest winrate tank?

[charred vigil]

No it doesn't though. Why is Maus one of the best performing tanks while it has one of the worst Dpm

[solid gate]

Nothing is wrong with Maus DPM. Actually better than 2000.

[plucky summit]

Wow check it out, Kranvagn with abyssmal DPM in tier 10 is one of the stronger tier 10 heavies

[solid gate]

Casually ignore 263 with high dpm being low win rate lol

[floral rain]

"2000 dpm" is a very low bar
actually no the kran has less than 2000 DPM and yet it's still one of the highest performing tier 10 heavies

[fast compass]

This is literally egirl X.0

[charred vigil]

2.3k dpm Yes There is nothing wrong with 2.3k dpm at tier 10, And there is nothing wrong with is5 having 2k dpm at tier 8

[plucky summit]

BH says 2206 but I'm not sure how they base it

[solid gate]

Saddens me to see leopard 1 second worst

[floral rain]

blitzstars says 1911 with rammer so im thinking they're basing the dpm off of clipper playstyle

[solid gate]

No, the Kranvagns DPM is 2206.

[floral rain]

2200 is by firing the 11 second reload shell and not reloading the entire clip

[charred vigil]

Kranvagn dpm really depends on how the player is using the clip

[plucky summit]

It depends how you fire with it, but it's still abysmally low

Bottom line, DPM isn't everything

[solid gate]

Yes but I'm talking about one shot tanks.

[charred vigil]

Yes And I said maus has 2.3k Dpm

[plucky summit]

Imagine using CS on Maus

[solid gate]

And that's higher than IS-5, so?

[charred vigil]

Is5 IS a tier 8 bruh moment
oi I use cali on most my heavies because Dpm isn't everything lel

[plucky summit]

Ok, DPM isn't everything, that is just factually correct

[solid gate]

Lol then when you want to kill someone then you go boom instead.

[charred vigil]

Nah
If I ever get into a straight up dpm trading war, Im only starting it because I know ill win

[plucky summit]

No? Because I don't force myself into DPM wars, do you know what trading damage is?

[floral rain]

tier 10 tank has higher dpm than a tier 8 soviet tank. Shocking

[fast compass]

And using your armour to trade your alpha for 0

[floral rain]

turns out that 40%ers have a winrate of 40% as well, who could've known?

[charred vigil]

Alright I think we've settled the issue. Is5 is a fine tank If you know how to play it, as dpm isn't everything

[solid gate]

Yes, what if they all flank you?

[floral rain]

then you care less about your DPM and care more about why are you getting flanked.

[charred vigil]

Why would we let them flank us? Im not just sitting in the open allowing the enemy to take pot shots

[solid gate]

3 tanks appeared they all start flanking at once then your ammo has exploded.

[charred vigil]

Wow yeah very likely scenario, If it was a 1v3 I would not sit in the open

[solid gate]

Yes but usually a team depends on the strongest player.

They sit there like cowards.

[plucky summit]

Just ammorack all 7 of them. Ez

[solid gate]

Ammoracking is only caused if your damage is atleast 3x the hitpoints of it.

Chances increased if damaged.

[charred vigil]

If you know what ur doing Maus is good at game clutching because the troll armor and hit points

[floral rain]

im sorry what

[tepid geyser]

bruh what, I've ammo racked tanks in the FV301, with a 190 alpha gun...

[plucky summit]

Ok sure even if that part was true there’s still the “one shot” ammo racks you forgot to mention in one of the “only” ways to ammorack

[charred vigil]

That’s not how game mechanics work. uh guys I think thermo is a troll we’ve wasted our time dammit

[fast compass]

Like i said egirl x.0

[floral rain]

going by the logic of DPM why is the 263 not the most overpowered tank in the game

Checkmate WG balance department
also checkmate playerbase

[solid gate]

If its damaged it can be ammoracked by basically anything.

[charred vigil]

I just thought he was different.. but now he is definitely a troll

[plucky summit]

Alright, let’s ignore their ramblings because you cannot argue with ignorance

[light blaze]

Got the Emil 1. How good is she?

[charred vigil]

Yes lord Thermo non existent acid boi you are the smartest and everyone else is wrong

[tepid geyser]

it wasn't damaged. small brained

[solid gate]

Do you know why I don't get Emil branch? Because the tanks have trash armour.

"Garbage"

[floral rain]

very good but it has average/ slightly bad dpm so going by someone's logic it is terrible
seriously, the emil's very good

[charred vigil]

LOL

[floral rain]

either this guy's taking stats from PC again or forgot the definition of "good" and "bad"

[plucky summit]

That how you know they’re trolling, they disregard Emil and Kran’s armor

[solid gate]

Bruh, I'm not even using PC stats.

[solid gate]

And trash is trash.

[charred vigil]

Entertain us more. Tell us all your opinions

[plucky summit]

Guys he might not know how to hulldown 😂

[tepid geyser]

guys, he might not know how to play

👀

[charred vigil]

I don’t think he knows anything

[floral rain]

then you have no idea what the definition of "trash armor" is

[tepid geyser]

what's your in game name? @solid gate

[solid gate]

Don't tell me you started 2 weeks ago.

[plucky summit]

Don’t tell me you did either

[charred vigil]

I started a little more than just 3 weeks ago 🙂

[tepid geyser]

he literally didn't start 2 weeks ago :walterstare:

[solid gate]

You can't ask me my question.

[plucky summit]

He started 6 hours ago

[solid gate]

This guys mental gymnastics is on a whole nother level he can and he Will

[tepid geyser]

what's your in game name? @solid gate or do you not want to reveal it

[charred vigil]

I’ve only been playing the game for 4 years. I am noob and have much to learn from you master on Acid

[floral rain]

doesn't take a whole lot of game knowledge to realize 380mm is a very big number in tier 10

[solid gate]

Please spell.

[plucky summit]

Can't count to it now could they?

[solid gate]

Stop ignoring their questions @solid gate

[tepid geyser]

what's your in game name lol

[floral rain]

idk bruh it takes me 51 seconds to think of the number after 50, i won't judge

[charred vigil]

Your resorting to grammar mistakes instead of actually proving your point. This means you are cornered

[solid gate]

That's why I use TD's

Mental gymnastics everyone

[plucky summit]

Ah, he must think ISU's BL-10 is the standard for every gun

[tepid geyser]

hmm sounds like it's skill issue time

[solid gate]

Sthu.

Spell right

[charred vigil]

He’s dodging questions He is cornered

[plucky summit]

Wut if I butchr my spelng jus to anoy tis guy

[solid gate]

Which questions, none so far.

Much debates.

[tepid geyser]

what's your in game name?

ha! a question!

[floral rain]

keep in mind

1. That kranvagn's on flat ground and not using gun depression
2. You would still need calibrated pramo to punch through

[charred vigil]

What’s your in game name?

[solid gate]

"giordano777"

[charred vigil]

Show screenshot proof

[plucky summit]

Nah, the stats approve

[tepid geyser]

6k games, 946 avg damage

[floral rain]

o7

[solid gate]

CS.

[charred vigil]

Alright this guy has no basis on his claims we done

[tepid geyser]

yup, we outta here

[solid gate]

What did I claim?

[plucky summit]

No guys he's a pro in WZ-113, how many people can manage a thousand damage?

[floral rain]

this but we can ignore that it's clearly the discord automatically typing

[tepid geyser]

that the emil line has no armor and your ammo rack argument, whatever that was

[solid gate]

Pffft

[solid gate]

Sure what about the awesome lower plate which is so HUGE.

[plucky summit]

It's not, also you can hulldown

[floral rain]

but 113 has good dpm

[charred vigil]

HULL DOWN

[solid gate]

Can't hull down -5 degrees

Already discussed that.

[plucky summit]

Use terrain to negate the need for gun depression

[floral rain]

bruh i can hulldown just fine in a t-54 with 5 degrees of gun depression

[charred vigil]

You can hull down with a tank that has 2 degrees of gun depression. Ur thinking of ridge lining not hull down

[plucky summit]

No wait he's realizing DPM isn't everything, let him commit nuclear fission in his mind for a bit

[solid gate]

Your thinking of WOT not blitz probably.

[tepid geyser]

I can hulldown in an SU-100M1, if I can do it with no gun depression, you can do it with -5

[charred vigil]

How come I am able to hulldown with Wz-120 3 degrees of gun depression. I don’t play wot mate

[solid gate]

What's nuclear fusion?

[plucky summit]

=l

[charred vigil]

This guy is 10 years old bruh

[solid gate]

Listen my damn tank is the WZ-111 5A.

[tepid geyser]

ok

[solid gate]

It has -7 degrees.

[floral rain]

"hulldown" literally just means hide your hull, which every single tank can do. Can some tanks do it better than others? Yes. Does that mean other tanks can't? No.

[charred vigil]

I knew it was suspicious When his name is ThermoNucleic Acid which is fake. and he uses biohazard symbols which is not correct for his name

[tepid geyser]

you don't have the 5A

[solid gate]

He plays pc and blitz except he’s been playing since 2019 on blitz

[solid gate]

Ikr?

[tepid geyser]

where's this 5A you speak of

[charred vigil]

LMAO

[solid gate]

@tepid geyser he’s talking about Pc not blitz which is even dumber imo

[plucky summit]

Erm, turreted tanks anyways, unless you wanna squeeze turretless tanks hiding everywhere below their gun in the term hulldown

[tepid geyser]

lmao, can't compare the two games tbh

[solid gate]

"Oh, hello my name is SU-57 I can fly".

[charred vigil]

that’s a Su-35 not 57 lmao

[plucky summit]

I mean an SU-57 is a jet

[solid gate]

No point I said I had that tank.

[tepid geyser]

so you sold it???? Even if you sold it, it would still show up on blitzstars lmao

[charred vigil]

You have angered the Sukhoi gods How dare you mistake my Pfp as a su57 not an su35

[floral rain]

unless it's a really low-profile tank destroyer you can still hide some parts of your hull (namely lower plate and stuff)

[plucky summit]

Imagine selling a tank that you never played yet

[solid gate]

Somehow says is5 dpm doesn’t cut it for the tier meanwhile you have less than half the battles in it compared to an IS2 and it’s higher in damage and exp

[solid gate]

Nope.
Didn't have it lmao.

[tepid geyser]

so you never had it...

[floral rain]

o7

[charred vigil]

this dude can’t even tell the difference between a 57 and 35 I am actually lmao dude it’s a no brainer

[solid gate]

He somehow failed his way to tier 10

[solid gate]

You can't tell your self.

[charred vigil]

You don’t even know what nuclear fusion is lmao

[solid gate]

Who's asking the questions?

[tepid geyser]

690 games and 39% wr in the wz-111 1-4 will do that I guess

[plucky summit]

Let's do a funny

[solid gate]

What is that.

[plucky summit]

An FT AC good sir

One could claim it to be a
French
Tank
Air
Conditioner

[solid gate]

Looks like an SU 100Y

(To the right).

[plucky summit]

It really doesn't =)

[charred vigil]

this is a su57 Notice how it’s wing looks completely different than su35

[tepid geyser]

bruh it doesn't look like a 100y at all, the ft ac is literally just a gun shield on tracks

[floral rain]

chief that looks nothing like a su 100y

[plucky summit]

H-how about this?

[solid gate]

Doesn't matter bro, doesn't matter.

[charred vigil]

If you knew anything about planes @solid gate you would’ve clearly realized which model my pfp is. you are a fraud, you have no knowledge on anything, none of your claims have any backbone

[floral rain]

vehicle discussion
plane
are planes considered vehicles?

[tepid geyser]

^^^ you're using monke logic @solid gate

[plucky summit]

Guys, it doesn't matter, the WZ-113's "huge" LFP doesn't matter

We are saved

[solid gate]

Yep so your name tells me clearly that your the fraud.

[tepid geyser]

bruh

[solid gate]

He’s a fraud of course lol says is5 dpm doesn’t cut it meanwhile he has 600 less battles in it than the IS2 and a higher average damage ratio than it

[charred vigil]

My point is that Thermo has no evidence to any of his claims and I am right, everything he states Is blatantly incorrect

[floral rain]

mental gymnastics anyone?

[plucky summit]

He's going olympian.

[tepid geyser]

dw, he's got 690 games in the wz 111 1-4 with 39% wr, he must be a god amongst us men

[solid gate]

Speak English.

[charred vigil]

He really stepped in my funny bone calling su35 a su57 Jesus Christ man GET A GRIP. don’t Keep making false claims

[floral rain]

mental gymnastics^2 anyone?

[plucky summit]

"your the fraud" - Thermo

[solid gate]

Call Jesus when you need him.

@solid gate my bad you can’t comprehend a sentence

[charred vigil]

His name is ThermoNucleic acid but I doubt he knows anything about nuclear physics. He doesn’t even know what Nuclear fusion is Lmao

[plucky summit]

Heck, is thermonucleic acid even a thing?

[floral rain]

no its not

[solid gate]

Yep no one can't even explain who's fraud but themselves.

[tepid geyser]

ayo bro, how do you do less than an average roll every game in the T34, teach me to be that OP

[charred vigil]

His username reminds me of when I was 9 year old and was making names that sounded cool by putting nuclear in it

[plucky summit]

Deoxyribonucleic Acid

[floral rain]

thermo fisher, the company, has, and i quote, "Thermo Scientific nucleic acid isolation products"

[solid gate]

How about getting an IS-6 instead?

[plucky summit]

Is... that a comeback?

[charred vigil]

I wish I was this good at mental gymnastics this guy could dodge all the questions from a trained detective

[tepid geyser]

bruh I don't need an IS-6, plus you don't even have one kekw

[solid gate]

Yep your behaving like the Germans 🤣

[charred vigil]

Aight I’m out, need to take snooze you guys keep at it and I’ll see if this conversation continues to the next morning

[floral rain]

if mental gymnastics was a sport this guy would set a new Olympic record each day

[solid gate]

Do you have a sport, because I love foot ball.

[plucky summit]

Nah he sets records from 1350 BC

[floral rain]

yes my sport is mental gymnastics

[solid gate]

Seems your borned from 1000 BC because you know everything.

[plucky summit]

Oh no he knows

He was there

[tepid geyser]

borned

roasted others about spelling, can't spell himself

also, it's you're, not your

[plucky summit]

He's already made that mistake

[solid gate]

🧐

He’s run out of things to say

[floral rain]

they say a picture is worth a thousand words, this guy's crafting a well written defense of his points complete with evidence and factual information with each emoji

[solid gate]

Neither you.

[tepid geyser]

that makes this convo worth a million

[solid gate]

Who cares.

[plucky summit]

You did

[tepid geyser]

^

[solid gate]

https://c.tenor.com/dzXO4bppU2UAAAAM/nobody-cares-spongebob.gif

[plucky summit]

Don't call yourself a nobody =(

[floral rain]

idk bruh you've been in this conversation for... quite a bit of time

[solid gate]

And?

[tepid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-meme-patrick-care-you-care-you-do-care-gif-14219162

[floral rain]

that sort of disproves your point of "nobody cares"
also o7 max speed that is gold

[tepid geyser]

we got em boys

[solid gate]

Got wot?

[plucky summit]

Well, happy we've settled that

• DPM isn't the base determinant of tank power
• The WZ-113 isn't too hindered from the LFP since it can hulldown
• The IS-5 is a standard tier 8 heavy, with acceptable and fair DPM
• The FT AC doesn't look like an SU-100Y
• The Kranvagn's line has armor, and
• Blitz is different from PC

[solid gate]

How many times do I have to say you barely can find places to Hull down.

[plucky summit]

There are too many places to hulldown ;)

[solid gate]

This is not WOT.

[floral rain]

bro there's hulldown spots on every single map

[tepid geyser]

it's not that hard, you can hulldown almost anywhere if you know what you're doing, don't make me pull out skill issue again

[plucky summit]

Yes, I'm happy you agree that WOT isn't Blitz

[floral rain]

please pull out skill issue i want to listen to the background music again
he's learning

[solid gate]

Didn't say so. 👌

Man just said he didn’t say he’s learning

[tepid geyser]

i gotchu poptart

[floral rain]

yeah bro discord's back with their automatic messages

[plucky summit]

Where was the music from again? It sounds painfully familiar

[solid gate]

Seems your a bot too.

[floral rain]

driftveil city theme, pokemon black

[tepid geyser]

^

[plucky summit]

Huh... never played Black, yet it sounds familiar, I must be trippin

[solid gate]

WZ 113 is not a recommended tank.

Worst lower plate.

[floral rain]

time to bring out the h-word
hulldown

[tepid geyser]

ah yes, poptart is a bot...with 3319 wn8 and 62% 30 day winrate, seems legit

also the wz has a small lower plate, you clearly haven't seen the 252U

[fast compass]

252u is awful y'all. Bigger lowerplate than is3 hull

[solid gate]

He’s only driven the 113 22 times and hasn’t played it since January lol

[plucky summit]

Man I love having such a tiny lower frontal plate

[solid gate]

What will you say about WZ-111 5A lower plate. It is 250+ mm

It’s paper thin

[floral rain]

pramo food
heavy tank pen food as well

[tepid geyser]

easy pen

[solid gate]

Seems I need "PHOTOS".

[spark basin]

mle 54 suffering rn

[plucky summit]

In Blitz it's 225mm, WITHOUT normalization

[floral rain]

waiting for more pics from PC armor inspector

[plucky summit]

I gotchu

[floral rain]

bruh that's not even pramo food that's just everything food

[plucky summit]

There you go fren, your 250mm plate vs HEAT, HE, and HESH

[solid gate]

pc again

[tepid geyser]

bruh that's also the opposite side of the hull
mans literally chose the reddest part of th tank

[solid gate]

Another bot.

Also that’s not even the lower plate lol

[floral rain]

chief that's not the lower plate

[fast compass]

Maybe lowerplate is on top of upper plate

[tepid geyser]

dw, the lower plate is always the reddest part of the tank, that's how it works :wesmart:

[floral rain]

ah yes, construction

[plucky summit]

Guys check it out

[solid gate]

Technically since China is on the other side of the globe compared to western counties the lower plate could be considered on top of the upper plate?

[floral rain]

technically australian tanks are upside down so the lower plate is on top of the upper plate

[solid gate]

One main tip: It's always good to show your lower plate from a corner first :)

[plucky summit]

:O

Did you know it's also good to try and 7v1 everyone?

[solid gate]

upper plate and drive wheels exposed

[spark basin]

big brain time

[floral rain]

one main tip: you can just shoot the drive wheel like a sane person

[tepid geyser]

ah yes, more PC armor inspector and on the opposite side of the tank where the armor will be the strongest because of angling

[solid gate]

Drive wheels do not expose they angle to the right.

[plucky summit]

Even if you only showed the red part, what are you gonna do?

[tepid geyser]

facts, he can't even shoot if he just shows the red part

[floral rain]

at that angle the drive wheel is an easy shot

[solid gate]

That's why there is something called "taming".

There’s no such thing called taming

[floral rain]

even if you pull some wack angling there's always the upper plate that, if you notice, isn't red

even if you can get some godly angle down your gun is still behind cover so you can't shoot anyone

[solid gate]

https://c.tenor.com/MWx3Hodcv0wAAAAM/trump-bible.gif

[plucky summit]

Maybe he meant something like baiting a shot, or in official WoT's terms, "forcing the enemy to shoot"

[solid gate]

Which is called baiting in actual terms

If you suddenly side scrape or "tame" the enemy, they will shoot.

[tepid geyser]

if they're smart, they won't

[floral rain]

if they have enough brain cells to realize "red = bad" they won't shoot

[solid gate]

Not if you don't expect it. 👌

[plucky summit]

I shoot when I know I can pen, boom, try and stop me

[solid gate]

People are not just learning to count.

[tepid geyser]

always expect the unexpected in blitz, especially your mental gymnastics bud

[floral rain]

yes because colors constitute counting

[plucky summit]

xD

[floral rain]

legit though from personal experience the best way to defeat superunicum toons is to play as stupidly as possible

[solid gate]

No one knows what your so called "mental gymnastics" is made up of.

[plucky summit]

Beat a coalition of pros by using 7 Krans

[floral rain]

cue to zeytuh getting tunneled by half the enemy team

[tepid geyser]

that's facts, you play like a bot, you win

[solid gate]

Kranvagns = strong turret + weak hull

[plucky summit]

And some time back, used clipper tanks only on another set of pros

[solid gate]

Quickest bot, dies.

[floral rain]

im sure a certain someone here has firsthand experience

[tepid geyser]

soooo, that would be you with your 690 games and 39% wr in the wz 111 1-4?

[plucky summit]

Me, I forget how to use ltwt

[solid gate]

Yes, and what was my win rate caused by? Nothing else except the IS-5.

[tepid geyser]

ah yes, so your bad winrate in the WZ-111 1-4 was caused by a completely different tank in the shape of the IS-5

[plucky summit]

"Nothing else" Else from what? You need to introduce the IS-5 before that statement

[floral rain]

o7 super unicum 113 stats

[solid gate]

Bro, I no longer have the WZ- 111 1-4 it = trash.

[tepid geyser]

bro, it's a good tank, also, you missed the point

[solid gate]

Yep being able to get penned by a Hellcat?

DUDE I ALMOST GOT KILLED.

[plucky summit]

No, guys, respect him, he's super uni in Pz. II and BT-2

[floral rain]

guys a maus can be penned by tier 1 tanks smh maus worst tank in the game smh wg

[plucky summit]

smh

[tepid geyser]

if you almost got killed by a Hellcat in a tier nine heavy that can two shot the hellcat, that's a skill issue, that's you, not the tank

[floral rain]

im not even going to question what you did, Im more concerned about how a tier 6 somehow got into tier 9 MM

[solid gate]

That never happened.

[tepid geyser]

it did

[floral rain]

https://youtu.be/vK-Wcqcj6a0
it definitely can

[solid gate]

Btw, speed mobility accuracy. All of that determines you killing that tank.

[floral rain]

im surprised dpm isn't in that list

[plucky summit]

Accuracy mostly based on the player :p

[tepid geyser]

btw, you're a heavy that is two tiers higher, with a gun that does 420 alpha and can basically one shot a Hellcat with HE. All of that determines you killing that tank.

[solid gate]

No because the WZ-111 1-4 doesn't have DPM problem.

[plucky summit]

=l

[solid gate]

😶

[tepid geyser]

neither does the hellcat, look bud, if you're losing a 1v1 to a tank 2 tiers lower, it's NOT THE TANK, it's YOU

oops 3 tiers, I'm tired, argument still stands tho

[floral rain]

technically 3 tiers higher, which means MM had a terrible day for +3/-3 or he got clapped in a training room

[solid gate]

Yep being sniped by a Hellcat front armour.

Listen to how ridiculous that is XD

[plucky summit]

Snipe the Hellcat back

[floral rain]

can hellcat pramo even pen a 111 1-4?

[solid gate]

You can't see him.

[plucky summit]

A KV-1 can pen the WZ if it doesn't angle

@solid gate but you can force them to expose themselves or shoot where the damage came from

[tepid geyser]

if you can't see him, you have to outsmart him, go into the cap or something, make him come to you

[floral rain]

how do you even fight against a hellcat in the first place

[solid gate]

He actually killed my lower plate WZ-111 1-4 lower plate is complete garbage.

[plucky summit]

Like most.

[tepid geyser]

ah yes, he killed just your lower plate, the rest of the tank was still alive

[solid gate]

Yes because I killed him before he does.

[plucky summit]

He killed the dead lower plate, I think the Hellcat was God

[floral rain]

how do you even get a hellcat in tier 9 games I'm confused

[tepid geyser]

so you're crying about winning a 1v1 by the skin of your teeth against a tier 6 when you're in a tier nine

[plucky summit]

Ok, let's disregard the lower plate, because guess what

hulldown

[solid gate]

Obviously a training match 🤨 .

[floral rain]

so you almost got clapped by a tier 6 in a tier 9 heavy...

[solid gate]

Yes!
That's what I have been saying the whole time.

[plucky summit]

Shame.

[tepid geyser]

wow, so good, he must be the next Fatness

[floral rain]

someone get this man into whatever top 4 clan that has the same region as him

[plucky summit]

No seriously fam, it's a player fault if you manage to nearly die against a Hellcat in the WZ

[tepid geyser]

he's NA, we could try to recreate this scenario hmmm

[solid gate]

I'm already in a clan.
@floral rain

[floral rain]

get this man into rgn

[plucky summit]

He's in RGN smh

[tepid geyser]

op

[floral rain]

yeah bro im in RGN
Registered Gamer Nation 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

[solid gate]

The WZ-111 5A is the real thing, no garbage.

[tepid geyser]

you've never had the WZ-111 5A

Maybe he's a droodles simp who think's the wz is amazing cause droodles loves it

[plucky summit]

It's pretty standard, but the tier 9 isn't garbage just because of the lower plate, it isn't really even garbage at all

[floral rain]

and we're back to square one

[wooden crater]

wtf is going on here?

[plucky summit]

We're struggling with this 4 dimensional mind

[floral rain]

an olympic-level mental gymnastics showcase

[solid gate]

There are 13 dimensions here.

[plucky summit]

Nevermind, he just hit the 5th

[tepid geyser]

5head time

[plucky summit]

Guys we need to introduce this peep to egirl, I want them to become friends, they seem compatible

[floral rain]

i don't remember egirl, someone enlighten me

[plucky summit]

I think they mentioned that WZ-113 was OP because of DPM, lemme find any of their messages

[floral rain]

i see

[solid gate]

In fact, even Tier VII take the rear and the side of the 113 just another trash can

[floral rain]

crazy, it's almost like tanks have most of their armor at the front

[plucky summit]

Here's a decent statement EGirl has made (they've changed their profile)

[tepid geyser]

woah! Weak armor on the sides and rear, who would have thought!

[solid gate]

At the front, yes
Strong only at the front, very similar to VK 90 (P)

[floral rain]

crazy, it's almost like tank designers went "normally we're going to have tanks face the enemy, so putting loads of armor on the sides and rear won't do much at the cost of making the tank slower"

[tepid geyser]

nah, it's all about putting the armor all around, we need more on the rear cause friendly fire !

[solid gate]

I still have blitz objectives and I gotta do them.

[plucky summit]

K have fun

Gaming all night

[solid gate]

I also need the loza's Sherman.

[plucky summit]

You don't =)

[solid gate]

I have about 50 parts.

[tulip sundial]

Does the 111-4 have a 130 mm? I think it does

[tepid geyser]

It does

[tulip sundial]

Is it any good?

Or is the other gun better

[floral rain]

Doesn't have 6000 dpm, its trash
In all seriousness its probably the top gun

[tulip sundial]

I like the look of it, and the Wz 113 is my next tank. Just wanted to know how good the tier 9 is, so thank you

[floral rain]

If you're ok with sacrificing brain cells there's always the discussion a few messages up top about the 111 1-4 and 113

[tulip sundial]

That’s why I asked about it lol, I lost what few braincells I had reading it

[floral rain]

My friend did really well with the tank but he does well in basically every tank so idk

[tulip sundial]

The Wz-113 looks like a really fun tank, and the 111-4 is just kinda hot 👀

[floral rain]

Ah yes, he's back
You can always just type in "wz 111 1-4 wot blitz" into YouTube and see where it takes you

[solid gate]

If you want hot tanks choose the WZ-111 5A.

[floral rain]

And then there's fatness with the wz 113 video

[solid gate]

Better version of the 1-4.

[tulip sundial]

Unless I get it free, it’s not very high on my list of wanted tanks, I got the IS-7

[solid gate]

Smh. The IS-7 literally gets ammoracked too easily.

[plucky summit]

Mistakes = ammo rack

[tulip sundial]

I have only been racked once, by a point blank 183

In uprising

[solid gate]

Even by the lower plate.

[tulip sundial]

Unless they have a weird vantage point, the rack won’t be hit by the lower plate

[plucky summit]

HE might have a say in that

[solid gate]

The FV215 b 183 used the pramo HESH and ammoracked IS-7 by lower plate. :/

[plucky summit]

Yup, that’s what HE does

[tulip sundial]

Well of course if you get HESH’d it’ll probably go adios, but that’s why you avoid 183’s

[solid gate]

Everyone then said: "Do not buy the IS-7."

[tulip sundial]

I don’t regret buying the IS-7, probably one of my favourite tanks

[solid gate]

Not anymore after being ammoracked a couple times.

[tulip sundial]

Haven’t been racked in any mode outside fun modes

[plucky summit]

I like IS-7 in pubs, a real bully sometimes

[tulip sundial]

Just go with meds, it’ll work most of the time

[solid gate]

Exactly.

[floral rain]

I shall continue to advocate super speed boost on is7 purely because i think a 58 kmh heavy tank is a funny concept

[solid gate]

I'm deciding whether to get the TVP T50 or the FV4202.

[tulip sundial]

My favourite tier 10’s (that I own)

1: AMX M4 mle 54
2: IS-7
3: TVP 50/51

[floral rain]

Man imagine having the m4 54

[plucky summit]

Mine are
AMX M4 mle 54
FV215b 183
FV4005

[tulip sundial]

😳

I got lucky

[solid gate]

Also never get FV4005.

[plucky summit]

I was too, blew $190 for it, got two other tier 10s xD

[tulip sundial]

Too late, got it and it’s my favourite TD, other than Foch

[solid gate]

Better for one shot damage than that.

[plucky summit]

FV4005 has one of the highest skill ceilings in Blitz, it’s really good

[fast compass]

4k5 is a lot of fun

[floral rain]

I ended up with the prog 46, t22, and vk90 after the event though so I can't really complain

[tulip sundial]

I bought some gold crates, got snowglobes, got gold from them, repeat

That’s how I got it

[plucky summit]

Same

[solid gate]

It's also one of those loved to be ammoracked tanks.

[tulip sundial]

Can a 4005 even be ammo racked?

[plucky summit]

It really isn’t.

[solid gate]

It has no armour.

[tulip sundial]

No armour, but I’ve never seen one be ammo racked

[plucky summit]

Neither does the TVP but look at them going around

[solid gate]

One serious shot like Saitama and its over

[tulip sundial]

Repair kit: are you challenging me?

[solid gate]

You cannot repair a destroyed ammorack, lmao.

[tulip sundial]

I’ve never seen one even get racked, just damaged

[solid gate]

Because you've never gotten the situation.

[floral rain]

There's always spall liner and consumables

[tulip sundial]

260 module HP is pretty high

[plucky summit]

^

It's far from being a garbage tank

[solid gate]

What if it gets hit by a 640, 740, 1300?

Boom. X_X

[plucky summit]

Then it loses HP like the rest of the tanks

Also it will negate 20% of that 1300

[floral rain]

Hp damage and module damage are different things

[tulip sundial]

Let me see what the 183’s module damage is

[solid gate]

No that is the Hull.

They didn’t say anything about the hull or turret what

[plucky summit]

No that is the spall liner, that affects every HE shell that pens it

[tulip sundial]

183 HESH only has like 240 module damage

[floral rain]

Off the top of my head Sheridan heat is 203 module damage which is already really high for a 152mm gun

[solid gate]

Sheridan has the highest module damage

Yes what about the 930, 740,640 armour piercing?

[plucky summit]

Yup, 183 with 244

@solid gate then it is affected like. every. other. tank.

[solid gate]

What does AP have to do with module damage

You cannot avoid AP you should know.

[floral rain]

Hp damage and module damage are different things

[plucky summit]

Actually you can. Use cover when you're reloading, outtrade when you're ready

[solid gate]

Yes that’s how the game works everyone gets hit what are you even trying to say now you were arguing about HE not AP

Remember 183 has a turret.
One with 45 degrees.

[plucky summit]

This man saying FV4005 isn't worth getting because it can take damage

FV4005 has a 90/90 turret

[solid gate]

Irrelevant

[tulip sundial]

183 also has pretty bad gun handeling, poor mobility and no armour

[solid gate]

One shot from another 640+ damage on its ammo and its blown up.

That’s not how it works at all

[plucky summit]

I often get pretty good RNG on 183, so I'm biased

@solid gate not how it works

[floral rain]

Module damage and hp damage are different things, for the 3rd time

[tulip sundial]

No good rng allowed sir, get out 😔👉

[solid gate]

The blast radius of the 183's gun HESH is 5.

[plucky summit]

Please become enlightened on Blitz mechanics before you use said mechanics to argue about tank power

Yes, 5.05

[tulip sundial]

A 183, firing HESH at the 4005 directly into the ammo rack, will not cause ammo detonation unless the ammo has been previously damaged

[solid gate]

I think he’s just listing random stuff off at this point to sound smart

[floral rain]

Not sure if you're either talking to demons or if you're just blind but if you looked at E's picture 183 hesh has 1300 hp damage and 244 module damage

[solid gate]

I saw someone killed a heavy at 500+ hitpoints with splash. With the 183.

[tulip sundial]

The 183 has 500-600 HE splash, but that’s highly irrelevant

[plucky summit]

Yes, that's how 183 works

[floral rain]

HE has splash damage. Crazy.