vehicles-discussion

[dusk flame]

Italian tanks are generally very comfortable

[blissful cave]

I tried to get it in crates but didn’t, but got the camo
And then finally got it in the auction good thing I got the camo because I think people said it’s not for sale despite all the other Polish TD camos being for sale

[dusk flame]

I kinda have the same problem wit the Type 5 Heavy now - I got the tank in the free crate we got, but the camo eludes me... and with a 0.05% drop for the camo, it's crazy

[blissful cave]

You what

[dusk flame]

yeah lucker, I know

[blissful cave]

I have type 5 heavy and not the camo too I got type 5 when it originally released in crates I got lucky to get it in like only ~11 crates not 50, no camo but that’s okay I got a really nice regular one to put on it that i always imagined it having

This one is so fitting for it old green rusty giant

[dusk flame]

Looks good!
Mine got a shiny Blowtorch to get even more attention haha

[blissful cave]

I need that 0.05 because I’ve been going after AE phase 1 for so long they NEED to add charms or something it’s not fair at all

Charms would be the most fair thing they could add
Auction I already know people will bid like 200k and it’d STILL be a better deal than how much youd have to spend to get it in boxes I’ve probably spent WAY more than that over the years resetting missions constantly

[dusk flame]

Yeah

[blissful cave]

I’d buy AE for 50k in an instant, 100k I’d consider it but probably would if that’s the only time they would sell it and would go right back into the box

[dusk flame]

Well, I guess there had to be some "unobtainable" tank to keep the mystery juices going

[blissful cave]

I have this 50k gold profile background I got a loooong time ago and was saving it for the release of a tank I’d really want but that became useless

I was actually planning on using it for Type 5 and Nemesis when those were leaked but no, gold is now useless for new tanks

[dusk flame]

I was saving a lot of those portraits from mystery crates that gave you 10k - but suddenly the changed them to be splinters. I was mad

[blissful cave]

I actually was considering using it for ATAC (and should’ve because that was the last tank you could buy crates with gold) but of course nobody knew they’d remove the option :/

[dusk flame]

but yeah, price of gold has gone up like crazy and they want cash more and more for the desireable things

[blissful cave]

It was supposed to be an “emergency reserve” for when a new tank came out that I really wanted but had no gold or tanks I was willing to sell but nope

[dusk flame]

it's still worth gold though, right?

[blissful cave]

Yes
Now it’s only there in case of an event that uses gold

[dusk flame]

Watch out that they don't suddenly change it to splinters as well

[blissful cave]

There aren’t many instances of tanks that I didn’t get on release that I really wanted but didn’t get, because either I got it or it’s not a tank I really care that much to get

I’d so want to buy LeKpz 70K but something tells me they’re not going to treat it like a normal tank :/

[dusk flame]

no, probably not

[blissful cave]

Released for Oktoberfest, during the whole year not available in ANYTHING then next year same event same price and over a year and a half later still in no crates or sale

Insane how they do that, Lorraine 50t released in the Diamond lottery ball for 0.01% drop chance but then is now sold like a normal tank at the minimum price 10k in the shop, LeKpz 70K? BZ-74? Nah they’re still in their overpriced events

.
That’s got me thinking will they keep Type 5 Heavy exclusive to these worse mystery boxes because if so thank god I got it before in the normal crates

The beast boxes are literally just worse mystery boxes all they did was copy paste, lower the tank drop chance, switch Kpz 70(P) to type 5 and then make the crates 3x more expensive

Seriously mystery crates are valued at 250 each while these are like 750 each

[dusk flame]

Yeah I agree. Mystery boxes have always been my no1 source of random tanks

I think it's fine Type 5 is a little "rare" though - don't want to see 3 on each team of them hehe

Fun tank though

[thin dune]

hey, i have like 15k gold and want to buy a great tank, what can uall recommend? i want something unique and intersting in gameplay, 9-10 tier

[wispy river]

yess looks good xD

[dusk flame]

❤️

[torpid yoke]

this pretty boi is tha best tank in the game

[shy laurel]

So… is there a reason why the bzt 70 will have a 180mm but the 4005 doesn’t have one?

[robust prism]

They used to think the 183 on a tank like 4005 maybe too broken idk, and they also have to make a tank to replace the 215b 183 if they want to make 4005 have that gun

[keen shore]

I was lucky enough to get it and I absolutely love it.

[keen shore]

I would suggest looking out for Concept 1B, ATAC, Chieftain Mk 6, Carro 45 t, Erich Konzept I, Object 752 or FVE Defender, those are by far the most unique tier 9-10s off the top of my head that you can except in shop for a set gold price.

Well, maybe not ATAC, FVE or Erich, actually.

[sour vessel]

which tank is considered the most accurate of all?

[keen shore]

Enemy 183 that is not spotted.

[sour vessel]

for me it was Obj 140

[keen shore]

Jokes aside, I think it is still Leopard 1.

[sour vessel]

ig i was scammed, it's tank... very slow and bad... I think starting a new account is much better.

[keen shore]

140 does have better on-move stabilization but worse base dispersion.

[late grail]

@sour vessel true

[sour vessel]

which suits me? I already have some experience playing medium tanks, but light seems pointless.. I think I need something that allows me to play aggressively and a little boldly.

[keen shore]

German lights are pretty fun, SP 1 C gets a pretty fun 2 shell clip like AMX 13 M24, but people say Leopard line is good too.

[late grail]

Vk d is much better bc it give both tanks instead of 1

[keen shore]

That too, you can get both HWK 12 and Leo PT A off Ru 251 @sour vessel

[late grail]

@keen shore I really didn't know that it give these 2

[sour vessel]

If it at least has good mobility, good armor, and goat aim, then it's suitable for aggressive gameplay.

[keen shore]

No armor what so ever, but it is very fast and accurate with highest tier 10 medium DPM on standard ammo.

[keen shore]

Did it still ping you? My bad, I thought I had disabled it.

[sour vessel]

see, so I'll play from afar on medium flank and I will sniper the enemy

[blissful cave]

It might be the new Jäger this thing is INSANELY accurate, or maybe a tank with combat stabilization idk

[keen shore]

It has identical base accuracy as Grille 15, Object 907 and Leopard 1, but worse stabilisation.

Combat Stabilisation only affects how much the dispersion increases, not the base value.

[blissful cave]

Ah ok
Jäger also has insanely fast shell speed which also makes it feel very accurate wherever you’re pointing the shell goes there the second you fire, noticed I don’t aim ahead and have to time it on a moving tank

Plus I don’t have grille and don’t really play 907 or leopard much

[keen shore]

Yeah, that must be it, but Leopard is still the most accurate.

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-beer-leopard-balance-gif-16835281

[keen shore]

https://tenor.com/view/tanks-tank-strv-strv-103-stridsvagn-gif-2258871561589872634

[blissful cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502018843338604544/1186491724953043024/20210819_213724.gif

[exotic fog]

What do you mean … you were scammed?
And it is better to start a new account???

[sour vessel]

is 7 have very bad vii, viii tanks

my stat very fast drop cuz they have long reload and very slow

[late grail]

@sour vessel yk what I was grinding the is 3 before the nerf and it was perfect and the tiger ll stood no chance against it it could pen it easily but now it is like it's old version where it had weak pen. Aside from that I've noticed that they buffed the vk a istg it's reload speed was 12.5 second for 380dmg and had weak pen after some time I played with it it was buffed stronger pen and lower reload speed I was very happy bc I was grinding the vk k

[dusk flame]

When will Kanonenjagdpanzer be made t9?

[dim shard]

the IS really isn't bad though. The big alpha damage combined with one of the best accelerations of its class makes it a good punisher, although it is sad that the tier 7 is plagued with broken vehicles and has to fight tier 8

[errant crane]

German light's are the ones with the most i ve grinded both the thing in tier 9-10 you ll find your self struggling more with the leo1 and leo pta than the e50 m and e50 its up to you

[crisp oak]

Are they going to nerf the Blitz branch?

Ac celeno etc

[exotic fog]

How many ( or few ) battles do you have?

While grinding crew ( no longer a game feature ) and tank modules, it was/is normal to win less; until fully upgraded and then grinding the next tank up.

It is something most people have done. Not worth to start a new account over.

And, instant upgrade is an option.

[sour vessel]

~200

I don't know if it's worth buying Premium tanks because you can't get them for free.

[exotic fog]

With 200 battles, it is normal for players to have an exceptionally high win rate; that cannot be sustained long term; because most of the battles at the start are against bots; and then there is new player matchmaking for a few thousand games.

So, that initial win rate is super high, but not realistic long term.

[snow spoke]

It always worth and more consistent than a gambling provide that the price isn't too crazy.

[sour vessel]

i have 58% with 200 battles... and it keep drop slowly, on 100 battle i had like 70%

[exotic fog]

Yes, that is normal … because your first battles were all bots

The average win rate is < 50 %

[sour vessel]

i don't want become noob with 45% wr, i want improve skill

[exotic fog]

So, grind slowly and do the best you can in each battle 🙂

[dusk flame]

And when you run into a 5+ losing run, stop playing for a while and do something else

Nothing is more frustrating than running into a matchmaking streak that keeps giving you incredibly brain dead team mates

[kindred wren]

There are players who have regularly played this game for over ten years, there is no shame in having to catch up with that amount of experience

Who knows, one day you might outmatch them

[agile geyser]

You won't be able to win every battle, especially when you get bogged down on the grind. Keep your head up, refine your skillset and enjoy the journey.

[valid gale]

Your in a newbie bracket you will continue to see bots for quite sometime

Winrate for beginners does not matter until you start to get into the thousands which takes quite sometime

[agile geyser]

Grind gets greuling sometimes. sometimes you get bots, sometimes you get great opponents giving you a respectable fight. even the great players with 80% WRs struggle sometimes. you're not the only one

[snow spoke]

Don't stress on stat. You will be good eventually

[blissful cave]

Yeah I was stuck at 48% for the longest time with thousands of battles played so it was so concretely set at that with such a massive sample size that win streaks wouldn’t even move it a fraction of a % but I’ve gotten much better at the game and now got that above 51% which I’m pretty happy with considering how much it was stuck at 48%

The mark of skill update definitely made me play more seriously and pay attention more to how I play and think more strategically (when the game doesn’t decide to completely screw me over)

[earnest oxide]

Was the AT line real?
because there wasn’t any info or evidence they exist when I search them online I suppose it was a prototype line that never saw production and only on blueprint?

[violet timber]

Yes, the designs are real, but only the Tortoise ended up being made

[dusk flame]

not that bad actually

[silent swallow]

Got cs53 from free box 🤣🎁

[potent night]

blueprints from AT2 all the way to AT15 exist

Tortoise can be thought of as a beefed up AT15

[fluid imp]

I just got Type 5 Heavy for 850 gold I just wasted my luck for 10 years

[sage hare]

Subject: Proposal to Rework Shell Switching into a Tactical Equipment (Replacing Calibrated Shells)
Dear Wargaming Development Team,
I am writing to propose a significant change to the current equipment system to improve game balance and restore the importance of tank armor.
The Problem:
The "Calibrated Shells" equipment currently provides a passive penetration boost (up to +13% for HEAT and +8% for AP). This makes heavy armor less effective and lowers the skill required to win engagements. At the same time, the ability to switch shell types without a reload penalty is currently a default feature for everyone.
The Proposal: "Advanced Tactical Loader"
I suggest removing the "Instant Shell Switch" from the default game mechanics and moving it to the equipment tree as a replacement for "Calibrated Shells."
Key Features of this Change:
Remove Passive Penetration: Delete "Calibrated Shells" to ensure that armor values remain balanced and players must aim for weak spots.
Exclusive Shell Switching: Only players who choose to equip the "Advanced Tactical Loader" will have the ability to switch shell types instantly without restarting the reload timer.
No Cooldown: Once equipped, this feature functions consistently throughout the match, rewarding players who have invested in this specialized equipment.
Why this works better:
Restores Balance: It removes the "forced penetration" meta that currently frustrates heavy tank players.
Meaningful Choices: Players must decide whether they want this tactical flexibility or other equipment, making the "Garage" strategy more important.
Rewards Tactical Knowledge: Instant shell switching becomes a "skill tool" used by prepared players to exploit specific enemy weaknesses (like using HE on thin armor) rather than just relying on high penetration numbers.
I believe this change will make the gameplay more professional and satisfying for the community.
Best regards,
Amrhanz

[night citrus]

dats cool bro but like what about every other powercrept tank that needs to use prammo just to pen weakspots? with the occasional tanks that needs both CS and prammo rounds

[potent night]

counter: just design actual weakspots instead of "prammo-2-weakspot" armour everything

[blissful cave]

Switching shells resetting the timer would make HE on high reload tanks never used

I LOVE T30 HE it’s so fun to just get that rare chance to deal 1000 damage to something not looking

SU-130pm’s hate to see me coming take em from 1100 HP down to 100 in one shot

[stuck axle]

are you consider about the vk100p should be buffed?

[rotund gull]

Lansen C needs some buffs

more Alpha and better Armor

[stuck axle]

The alpha dmg dont need to buff this tank.320 is enough

[analog light]

Lansen C is fine as it is think of it Like a Leopard at t8

[potent night]

kid named Indien Pz.:
kid named Kpz 07 RH:

[blissful cave]

I think it should get better reload and HP
Armor and damage are fine as is, it’s a lightweight medium tank and has a 105mm so it’s damage is pretty standard for its caliber

It has the worst reload and HP out of all the single shot 105mm t8 mediums

[late grail]

I don't know why there is nearly no one talks abt the is 3 nerf just give it it's original pen and nerf something else wg😔

[pale agate]

What tanks are getting updated graphics next update?

[lean stratus]

Tank name?

[inner venture]

At the bottom if the picture

[snow spoke]

That's cool. I will give you that. It alsogive the rammer chance to be shine again

But armor might need the big rework again as tank rn are balance with calibrated shell consider.

Rn there is no point using gun rammer because a 1 prammo pen from Calibrated shell outweight the rammer benefit that it can give for the entire game😭

[night citrus]

Super persh with rammer is worth

[snow spoke]

Yeah, i came to relise that. It quite suprising ngl

But SP is bad anyway so it doesn't matter

[somber lava]

Maybe we revert the calibrated shell changes to a base % increase for all shells

I think the old pen buff was 3% for AP, APCR, HEAT, HE, HESH.

[potent night]

if you run cs on a leopard 1 you should not be playing the game

[dusk flame]

Still in doubt wether Charlemagne and Action x is worth 13.5k gold with camos…

[snow spoke]

Are you for real

[potent night]

the entire point of the leopard 1 is dpm?

mediums in general have the mobility to not have to use cs
use rammer, take the dpm increase, and get good

[snow spoke]

What's the pont of DPM of you cannot pen the enemy.

A single prammo pen that's allow from CS outweight any benefit rammer can give

[dusk flame]

Aim?

[potent night]

if youre facing a target you can't pen frontally, frontally, please uninstall

[snow spoke]

Because eneny has brain and don't give the easy side shot?

[potent night]

you are a medium

you can use your mobility to gain distance to not be spotted

[dusk flame]

Use your speed and agility, circle around

[snow spoke]

It only work in your theory, you are literally don't know when you will be spot if the semi mobility vehicle were alive

[dusk flame]

It seems to work for a lot of people every day?

[potent night]

literally anyone with actual winrate will tell you to run rammer on most mediums

[snow spoke]

No? Someone also use CS in med

[dusk flame]

If you stand in front of a plated beast you can’t sidestep or circle - tug tail and run

[potent night]

yes because theyre bad and need it as a crutch

[snow spoke]

How about able to prn frontally without needing to run?

[potent night]

why are you engaging heavily armoured tanks frontally in the first place

[dusk flame]

That’s what heavies and td’s are for - not mediums

[snow spoke]

Because you literally dont know when you will be spot if you try to flank? You also lose the time to flank which also mean less DPM?

Use CS literally effectively increase DPM and your safety my dude

[snow spoke]

Yes because they know CS is literally superior?

[potent night]

rangefinder + knowing how camo/spotting works?

[potent night]

literally ask anyone above 60% wr if they use cs on a tier 10 medium that isnt an autoloader/autoreloader

[snow spoke]

If semi-mobile vehicle alive?

[dusk flame]

If you’re concerned about being spotted or not having the agility and speed to avoid being spotted, try light tanks?

[snow spoke]

Yes i am? Literally catagory error my dude

[potent night]

no because they see big pen number only

[potent night]

proof?

genuinely amazing logic

"today i will take a tank class that relies mostly on dpm and decent mobility and take away the dpm because i want to fight everyone frontally"

[snow spoke]

Literally just -5% DPM? Why overcomplicating with just 5% DPM that you don't even know how much it literally increase that?

Genuinely amazing logic there my dude!

[potent night]

unlike heavies or tds, CS on mts doesnt really change the amount of tanks you will pen or not

[snow spoke]

You don't need to stay frontally to HT all the time? If you can pen the ONLY FRONTAL shot from currently available SAFETY position, the benefit literally outweight the Rammer for the entire game.

[potent night]

yes you manouever around them using your mobility

[snow spoke]

Why losing time doing that when I can just pen frontally with literally obviously SAFER postion.

[potent night]

if your only "safety position" is one where you have to fight someone frontally, youve failed in positioning

[snow spoke]

Nah, when the information isn't complete. You take a bet wether you will get surprised or complete flank the enemy, or you run from the enemy.

All of which waste the time my dude

[potent night]

"map reading and counting too hard"

[snow spoke]

Bro was not ready for the "Incomplete information" logic.

And still coping.

[potent night]

you can essentially predict where people are going to go based on what the team comp is?

[snow spoke]

How would you know if the currently disappearing TVP not gonna nuke you when you flanking?

Yes you wait, I can still pen heavy frontally while waiting. Which I or you) normally COULDN'T do if i don't run CS.

[potent night]

??? yeah if you kept your hp by not fighting people frontally maybe you'd win against the tvp?

[snow spoke]

So you essentially waste your time there instead of dealing damage?

There is also no guaranteed when you fight against tvp, some funny teammate will show up either. Which mean you need to RUN and effectively lose the DPM?

Then what is the point of rammer again?

[dense dew]

guys
should i try to bid for the sterope or restore my erich

[snow spoke]

Erich is too goated

By time you be able to flank safely, rammer or no rammer pretty much don't help you win the game mate.

[potent night]

also a leo 1 has ~1k more dpm than a tvp

just like to point that out

[snow spoke]

Doesn't matter if clipping all to your hull and

TVP retreating safely.

Somefunny teammate showup.

You could won against TVP if they are not that good but I will not place a bet if the enemy are good or not

[potent night]

ever since the tvp lost its 4th shell its not even worth considering as an opponent

960 + it needs to fire 2 shells at least per every shot i fire back to actually make trading worthwhile, but the tvp cannot control the fight at all

[potent night]

if that is the case than i retreat as well

2 enemies are now distracted, and im likely faster than them?

oh nvm you on apac

[snow spoke]

? What rammer help you there made

[potent night]

also i dont get clipped by tvps?

if there is one on the enemy team 100% im not gonna yolo in

[snow spoke]

Yes, farming safely from the safety position might be a good idea.

Oh wait i cannot because I bring rammer.

Since you tune down your tone, I will kept it my respond respectful then

[potent night]

or having side shots because you flank and use your brain to get to said position

sorry that youre on apac and cant think

[snow spoke]

Or you cannot because there is no guaranteed you will get nuke by there disappearing teammate.

How do I farm damage again from safety position again?

Sorry you are not on Apac and can't think.

[potent night]

oh my god

how is it that hard to look at the map, look at the team comps, and look around

the "from safety position" is the one where enemies arent looking, i.e not in front of them

[snow spoke]

Oh my god.

How is that hard to understand even the ONLY prammo penning shot from CS outweight the benefit that rammer give you the entire game.

[potent night]

prammo does less damage how is this revolutionary knowledge

[snow spoke]

Yes? Wait i cannot because my penning are too low and enemy have some braincell to angling.

[snow spoke]

No? I don't even mention it😭 what are you on?

[potent night]

255 vs 268 standard pen on a leopard 1 will not do anything against heavies at tier 10

yes, 300 vs 339 heat pen on a leopard 1 will do something, but now youre sub 3k dpm

on a tank that needs dpm to be even close to relevant

similar story for almost all other mts at tier 10

the only exceptions to not taking cs on mts are autoloaders and autoreloaders since vents improves crew mastery, meaning only a slight increase in dpm, thus, using CS is actually much more viable

tl;dr

cs on mediums that arent auto(re)loaded is not worth using for the standard pen increase, and is only useful for prammo pen increase, which shouldnt matter since mediums arent meant to fight heavy tanks frontally, therefore, rammer is more ideal

[snow spoke]

I could say 255 vs 268 pen could mean easy pen on IS-7 poor angle pike nose.

339 heat pen is literally significant. Even CS is allow me to pen 1 time. With prammo

You essentially outweight the benfit of rammer might give you for the entire game in the most scenario.

By the time you can flank, you already win the game. The Rammer effectively not the "game winning" equipment. But "win more" equipment.

[potent night]

.

[snow spoke]

DPM different only gonna be obvious when you firing non-stop which is actually less of the match you can get.

It mean you need to actually capitalize the faster 0.3 sec reload window as much as possible. And out weight the single-extra "305" damage that the CS give to you.

Which isn't realistic and consistent

But TD on the other hand. Can pen the HT anyway ao why not just reload faster, which is understandable

To prove that, we will take some math.

The rammer actually only give you +191 dpm. On Leopard 1

To take the advantage of that, you actually need to

Firing Non-stop for the minute and a half (1:30) to even has a chance outweight the benefit of the said CS single prammo shot (305 dmg) to the front of HT.

See? That scenario is so hopelessly unrealistic.

But the CS allow you to penning the quite-well angle HT from the safer position because the information still incomplete until you are sure that you can flank. Are literally one of the most common case in the early game.

[snow crater]

How much longer until Quick Commands return?

[snow spoke]

Idk?

[snow crater]

They said they would fix it as soon as possible.

[snow spoke]

Did you trust them?

[dusk flame]

It'a been over 3 weeks...

If it in any way had been a priority for them it had been fixed long ago

Badger is in the shop... that looks like a very thin armor for a t10

And especially for an assault tank

[halcyon meadow]

Is the fv217 Badger worth it for 17.5k gold

[dusk flame]

Take a look at the front armour

215mm in t10... gg

[tardy turtle]

????

[dusk flame]

What is it you don't understand?

Even light have more standard pen than this

[old valve]

The stats on paper are the raw values without taking into account any angles and so on that increase their strength.
As a result, it might look bad on paper, but in reality it's more than enough

(Yellow = cover in the last picture)

[dusk flame]

Still, I would argue there a loads of other tanks better at that price

[old valve]

The tank has amazing DPM, great armor, and okay-ish mobility. In my eyes, it's anything but a bad tank. It might not be the number one pick at T10, but it's more than good enough to be worth 17.5k, in my opinion.

[dusk flame]

Yeah, I guess I made a mistake there. I had no clue that 215mm suddenly could become 275mm like magic

Didn't they nerf Badger to hell a year ago?

[old valve]

Websites like BlitzKit really help with effective armor values.
BlitzKit will also be implemented in Blitz in the near future, so there is a direct way to check the armor of tanks

[old valve]

Not that I remember.
The traverse got slower, but I think it gained Hesh and better gun handling at the same time

[dusk flame]

T110E4 is still free though

But yeah, it'll be great once the implement something so we can se actual values and not paper

[old valve]

Can't really compare them, to be fair. The tech-tree tank that would best represent the Badger is probably the Jagdtiger.

[dusk flame]

True, and yeah, the jagdtiger is quite effective

I stand corrected

[snow spoke]

Or maybe the real contender might be since from the dawn of the time. The T110E3

But still the badger have some of the greatest armor out there.

[dusk flame]

Thank you big boss container

[tardy turtle]

I though you were rage baiting
You really really really absolutely must fix your knowledge on this game

[dusk flame]

Easy now Mr. Expert

I had a massive brain fart accompanied with too little caffeine

[dense dew]

i have a question
can i get back the golds i spent to bid in an auction if i didn't win?

[tardy turtle]

Well then after the caffeine wears off you'll be back to normal

[snow spoke]

Yes

[dense dew]

yay:D

[sage hare]

Subject: Proposal to Rework Shell Switching into a Tactical Equipment (Replacing Calibrated Shells)
Dear Wargaming Development Team,
I am writing to propose a significant change to the current equipment system to improve game balance and restore the importance of tank armor.
The Problem:
The "Calibrated Shells" equipment currently provides a passive penetration boost (up to +13% for HEAT and +8% for AP). This makes heavy armor less effective and lowers the skill required to win engagements. At the same time, the ability to switch shell types without a reload penalty is currently a default feature for everyone.
The Proposal: "Advanced Tactical Loader"
I suggest removing the "Instant Shell Switch" from the default game mechanics and moving it to the equipment tree as a replacement for "Calibrated Shells."
Key Features of this Change:
Remove Passive Penetration: Delete "Calibrated Shells" to ensure that armor values remain balanced and players must aim for weak spots.
Exclusive Shell Switching: Only players who choose to equip the "Advanced Tactical Loader" will have the ability to switch shell types instantly without restarting the reload timer.
No Cooldown: Once equipped, this feature functions consistently throughout the match, rewarding players who have invested in this specialized equipment.
Why this works better:
Restores Balance: It removes the "forced penetration" meta that currently frustrates heavy tank players.
Meaningful Choices: Players must decide whether they want this tactical flexibility or other equipment, making the "Garage" strategy more important.
Rewards Tactical Knowledge: Instant shell switching becomes a "skill tool" used by prepared players to exploit specific enemy weaknesses (like using HE on thin armor) rather than just relying on high penetration numbers.
I believe this change will make the gameplay more professional and satisfying for the community.
Best regards,
Amrhanz

(sorry for repeating)

[late grail]

This mechanic was in the game in older versions if you had HE ammo the reload would be very long same goes if you change shells I think

[dusk flame]

Being caffeinated is the default setting, normal if you want.
Hence, lack of caffeine means I talk rubbish like that - which is not optimal.

[worthy thicket]

why the ac sterope is so expencive then ac celeno????????????????

[night citrus]

sterope is a crate tank, released only through crates, but now its in auction
celeno is a tech tree tank

[plucky summit]

After all, Maus is 200mm in the frontal hull

[cloud shard]

Oh very strong

[dusk flame]

Yeah, I'm caffeinated now. Sorry for me being totally brain dead there

I honestly don't know what I was thinking...

[desert path]

Hi guys i downloading now reforged what tank on start u prefer?

[slim frigate]

Good tank if you have cover for under part. But looked like everyone could hit hatches. And if you are 1vs1 medium, light tank you are looking at you tanks in hangar😅

[lean stratus]

I have this tank and it is bad

[tacit bison]

is the Sterope any good?

[final lantern]

Should I buy the skoda t56 or wait for the 252u to come into the store

[blissful cave]

Yes I think it’s very good (single shot gun, the multi shot is bad)

[snow spoke]

I would say, skoda T56 is more competitive than 252 u but,

There are a scenario where 252U superior armor come into play.

But most of the time skodaT56 armour is often more than enough

[tacit bison]

how much would u say is a good price to try to get it for in the auction?

[snow spoke]

My server someone with it at around? 15k gold

Look at Badger cost and you will know

[plucky summit]

X64 Roller done! Chonky gun for a 105mm. Next tank vote:
1️⃣: X65 Sentry
2️⃣: X60 Slammer
3️⃣: X70 Reaper
4️⃣: X95 Colossus
5️⃣: X56 Speeder

[autumn pasture]

👍

[faint escarp]

Is ho-ri good?

[worthy token]

[fast leaf]

[austere solar]

Кто поможет

[snow spoke]

Yes

[tacit mantle]

Type 57 is bad or i have a skill issue / i think he has a medium armor but slow only the gun and turet is good

[snow spoke]

Type 57 is decently good if you mean tier 8 japan collector heavy tank.

Almost all of HT have weak lowerplate and will be pen like butter by any decent gun

[worthy tree]

WAR GAMBLING WATCHES THIS SHOW🤑🤑🤑

[dusk flame]

That Pleione is one expensive t8 tank lol

[subtle pawn]

Since its release, this game has consistently taken a lenient stance toward AFK behavior.
As a result, the remaining teammates are often forced into unfavorable battles, which has frequently had a negative impact on win rates.
What if 600,000 credits were deducted from the AFK player and 100,000 credits were distributed to each of the remaining teammates?
If the AFK player does not have 600,000 credits, a one-hour play ban could be imposed instead.

If the developers are reading this message, I strongly urge them to seriously consider this proposal as a potential solution to the ongoing AFK problem.

[steel lark]

How in the heck is the T26E5 a heavy tank?

[snow spoke]

Becaus eit has strong turret?

[old valve]

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be one.
46 tonnes, good armor, and in theory, the real Pershing was classified as a heavy tank too.

[steel lark]

Not enough meat on the bones for a reliable heavy tank. Too fat and sluggish for a medium tank. More like a heavium IMO.

[snow spoke]

Then what about T34, T26E5 initially build as the heavy tank btw

[old valve]

Decent enough I'd say

[steel lark]

T34 has better armor and actually plays like a heavy. @old valve the T26E5 is a poor man's version of the T32.

[snow spoke]

"T34 has better armor" wow god.

It actually one of the worst hull armor you can find in HT

T32 is just.. slow.

T26E5 faster and have better gun so

[old valve]

I disagree.
It might not have the same armor, but the gun and mobility are way better than on the T32.
https://blitzkit.app/compare/?tanks=4385%2C19745

And to be fair, not every heavy tank has to be armored all around and slow. The best example of a tank that works differently is the Conqueror. I absolutely love that tank despite the lack of armor.

[steel lark]

The armor isn't that bad compared to the AMX 50 120 and AMX 50 B lol. The definition of a glass cannon lmao.

[snow spoke]

Then the T26E5 armor isn't that bad compare to T34 and Amx 50 100?

[old valve]

I'd say it's a pretty neat tank to play

[steel lark]

Against potatoes that are clueless lol. IMO, if I can't hull down it's not a good heavy tank.

[snow spoke]

It CAN hull down.
And no, if it cannot hulldown doesn't always mean a bad heavy tank

[steel lark]

Show me an example of it hulling down, any part of that turret can be penned. You have to try really hard to pen that tank. The worst heavy tank is the Caliban IMO.

[snow spoke]

? That's the T34 with calibrated shell btw

[snow spoke]

T34 isn't that much stronger either

[dusk flame]

So it looks like minimum price for Pleione is gonna be 50 tickets 😂

[blissful cave]

Lmao I thought because it’d be golden tickets nobody would buy it and you could probably get it for the 10+3 tickets for like 15$
Now the lowest bid is like 40 tickets

The highest bids are like above 350 which people are paying hundreds of dollars for this tank that they really don’t need to

I don’t get it people will pay hundreds to be a low number on this tank but on the KV-2 auction not even half the slots were filled and that costed gold I was able to get 2209 for like 3500 (I think min was 3000)

[dusk flame]

Well, I don’t get that people pay 50 tickets for a t8, regardless of camo 😄

[blissful cave]

Lmao yea

[dusk flame]

300+ is just crazy

[blissful cave]

“Ugh 35 tickets for ELC 901?! Wargaming is crazy they’re so greedy” (half of the ELC slots were empty)
Tier 8 starting at 10 tickets “I MUST increase my bid to 50 tickets to make sure I get one”

[dusk flame]

Indeed haha

[blissful cave]

I think wargaming found their sweet spot of how to make people spend an absurd amount of money for a tank

Don’t ask for the absurd amount of money right away ask for some and then theyll eventually fight to hand you five times that

[dusk flame]

And then they can’t blame WG for the end price…hah

[blissful cave]

Speaking of, at Black Friday felices were EVERYWHERE it was like 3 on each team, now I haven’t seen one in a loooong time people really spent like 400$ for a tank to not play it lmao

[dusk flame]

Economy in this game is totally broken tbh

[blissful cave]

Lmao yeah this time wargaming didn’t make it cost 400$ for the tank you guys did
They originally charged 12$ for it (10 tickets)

[dusk flame]

It’s just another sales strategy

They still greedy af 😄

[blissful cave]

Wargaming saying it’s impossible to add marks of skill and serialized camos because they can’t add decals to tanks the models won’t allow it and Type 5 Heavy because it’s too big it’s physically impossible
Wargaming after adding them:

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-dollars-cash-money-happy-gif-23069247

Now add Strv 103 you said that’s impossible

If the impossible is all the sudden possible where is Strv 103

[dusk flame]

Or just hire a few semi-skilled devs so it wont take 3+ weeks to fix quick commands

[blissful cave]

Lmao yeah quick command players experiencing a fraction of the pain a switch player feels

They can’t use command buttons in battle for three weeks? What about the entire game being down for 2 weeks? Like literally impossible to open the game and you can’t play at all

.
Also switch players don’t even have quick commands and we can’t see them

[dusk flame]

“That’s impossible”

[blissful cave]

So I’m unaffected I have to play with zero communication all the time

[blissful cave]

Dangle money in their face and it’s possible

[blissful cave]

“Add Swedish TD tech tree”
Wargaming:Noooo that’s impossible the game can’t handle the suspension and it’s too complicated
“What about if it’s a col-

[dusk flame]

0.02% chance

[feral wave]

WG said the same for Gun Marks. But after Lesta implemented it magically WG realised they could do it as well.

[somber lava]

Should I get the conqueror tier 9

[cedar prawn]

Any suggestions about how to like AC sterope i bought iT on auction and i don't like Playing it too much

[blissful cave]

Are you using the single shot or the autoloader
Use the single shot, I used the autoloader at first and didn’t like it but after switching guns now I like the tank a lot

[cedar prawn]

Same as i did Switch it and played couple battles it was better

[blissful cave]

I two marked the tank I’m somewhat close to maybe 3 marking if I get lucky
It’s a really good tank with the single shot

And had a low mark bar, but hopefully that doesn’t change now that a lot more people have it

[steel lark]

I trust the T34 more. I used to play the 1776 version and loved it.

[cedar prawn]

I wondered what is the difference between them i ve got T34

[steel lark]

Cosmetic stuff that's all

[cedar prawn]

Thats good i didn't missed anything

[steel lark]

The paint scheme is dope IMO though.

[dusk flame]

😂

That T8 better be able to 1-shot everything and fly at that price 😉

[dusk flame]

Awww 🙁

[blissful cave]

Compensation should be in gold no matter what credit compensation is useless

[dusk flame]

Indeed

[sullen abyss]

Just wait until we get into reforged and you can’t sell tanks anymore

Lotta ppl will have a rude awakening

[dusk flame]

I hope Reforged is many, many years away

or people just ignore it

[blissful cave]

Or they allow us to sell tanks

They know we hate most things and are reverting it we just have to say something
We got commanders removed, crew voice added, tech tree back (kinda) and several other little things

[keen shore]

Shame the tank is pretty boring and performs average at best.

[keen shore]

1776 has fixed legendary camo themed around independence day, T34 has either star wars themed or realistic camo.

[steel lark]

Skill issue man. Now, the Caliban, that's a TERRIBLE tank.

[keen shore]

I mean, the clip is outright pretty pointless, the cyclic gun is just a worse T26E5s gun.

[steel lark]

What clip?

[keen shore]

The 2x3 autoloader gun.

[steel lark]

The T34 doesn't have an autoloader gun?

[keen shore]

Oh, I am talking about the AC. Sorry, I replied to wrong person there.

[snow spoke]

T34 1776 have stronger hull armor than T34 but T34 reload slightly faster, and slightly more agile.

Honestly hull armor buff wasn't nuch of a difference because it still bad. T34 would be better

[snow spoke]

They already change it. Lol

[steel lark]

I haven't had it since 2019.

[snow spoke]

Yeah but now it 2026, wg decide to tweak it so it slightly different

[steel lark]

You mean 2026?

[snow spoke]

Yeah

[steel lark]

I've only seen it a handful of times over the last two years and some change.

[snow spoke]

Because there is so much tank that is better and easier to play than T34 nowadays

[steel lark]

Which should make it easy for me to ace lol

[snow spoke]

Yeah, there is so much tank nowaday that player base can't really cover them all. So it might be easier to get Mastery.

[idle egret]

what t10 medium should i get

[solid crystal]

Obj 140 seems amazing

[solid crystal]

E50M too

[silver marsh]

is kran good?

[dusk flame]

I have a really hard time figuring out if this is a good offer

[snow spoke]

No? It ok-ish

[dusk flame]

Yeah, I guess it's okay tanks but the price is kinda meh

[warped willow]

anyone knows when will the 777 object go on sale?

[final lantern]

Why is the T55A blitz nation at all? Should it not be a Soviet tank?

[old valve]

In theory it's from the DDR / east Germany
In Reforged, it has it's own nation =)

[pure bronze]

its just decent but not outstandingly good

[late grail]

Istg I done it by accident😭✌️✌️

[steel lark]

Gotta get that WR up dude

[nimble cypress]

What the heck happened here.....

[quick swallow]

chat is tomorrow the day t2020 and tornvagn are becoming a tier 9 ?

[karmic gale]

idk

whats better T-34-1 or IS-2

[final lantern]

They play different roles so its not really comparable

[final lantern]

Can we get HE for the T54E1? Kinda makes no sense why it doesn't have it as far as I'm aware

[violet timber]

It's one of the few "historically accurate" things in the game

The gun the T54E1 has never had an HE shell developed for it

[final lantern]

Sigh, so WG tolerates tanks that never existed at all but not a nonexistent HE shell

[violet timber]

The vehicle was added extremely early in the game, when WG was somewhat trying to follow historical accuracy still

[blissful cave]

Cool my bid of 20,000,000 credits won me the panzer IV gargoyle I’ve never been able to get it this whole time
Though I should’ve just left it at 15 mil that would’ve still done it

[twin pilot]

Bruh What happen?

[spiral geode]

Can u explain how bids work

[blissful cave]

While the auction is open you just put in how much currency you’re willing to put in that you think will be enough to secure the tank based on either how much you think or the “competitive bid” that tracks how much you should put to get a good spot

Since I was busy and didn’t want to follow and keep track I put 15 mil to not risk it, saw during the “final 10 minute rush” it got to 15k competitive bid so made it 20 because I know I’d forget to check and then came back and it said I got it

[blissful cave]

Because there’s also “waiting phase” where it’s not open and you can’t bid yet
Then you can bid, as I said put in how much you think will be enough (you can increase it later if needed)
Then the “final 10 minute rush” where in the last 10 minutes if someone adds a bid it resets the timer so once 10 minutes go by without new bid it ends

[tawny rivet]

Is this tank worth to buy even after the next update ?

[violet timber]

Yes

[quaint pebble]

It's tiger maus worth it for spending money on it?

[dusk flame]

LT-432 is a great tank

[spiral geode]

Can I put the minimum bid and still have a chance to get it

[blissful cave]

No probably not, unless there’s less bidders than slots

The whole point of an auction is the top (however many are for sale) bids get it

Let’s just say if there’s 500 tanks being sold and the minimum is 1000 gold, if less than 500 people bid then you can for that price, but if there’s let’s say 700 people bidding for one of those 500 tanks then your minimum bid won’t win you have to be in the top 500 prices to get it

[blissful cave]

The KV-2 camo they were selling like 9,900 of them and only like 4,000 people actually put in any bid so minimum would’ve gotten you it

Genuinely surprised nobody wanted this one, it was a serialized camo with like zero competition
When E-100 people bid millions of gold and that new tier 8 people bid hundreds of dollars of tickets for it
Yeah it’s tier 6 but it’s like the most popular tier 6

Is mid tiers really that dead? :( I like tier 6 it’s where all the iconic WW2 classics are

[sand jay]

Probably because menacing already exists ...and also the Smasher

[blissful cave]

Ngl the KV-2’s existing camos sucked no realistic themed ones so this one is nice even if it has so many unnecessary attachments

[sand jay]

...I don't even know what I'd want changed on the Nemesis ...I just keep running into nuanced issues with it, I've never experienced with another medium tank. Abysmal top end speed, pennable viewports (for some reason), Auto penning side plates (I hate this), Chunky big tracks that do literally nothing to stop anything (I hate this EVEN more, I've been penned through my tracks and my turret BROKEN in a single med tank shot.) Garbage camo, practically blind in spotting (Heavy tanks spot me BEFORE I spot them.) Doesn't even do its front armour gimmick properly, even regular shells can go through it. And to top it off, a giant 'shoot me' cupola on the top that reduces it's hulldown or over the hill effectiveness. But at least it slings HESH ...7 seconds apart.

[crisp elm]

Australian?
My Brain isn't braining here.

[surreal wagon]

i only have up to the 183 and in my opinion you only play it to have fun and not to win games, my favorite from both British and German TD lines would be the stug III g

[fringe shell]

Projet Murat

[pine acorn]

Is bzt 70 coming to eu

[bleak whale]

Buddy that is hybrid line not Australian line

[fringe shell]

All of them are called AC but not at all australian

[violet timber]

The AC in the hybrid nation line is a made up designation. The AC I through AC IV were Australian designs, but they only made 4 designs before relying on purchasing other nation’s tanks

[sand jay]

...I'm sorry, you think the hybrid nation tanks are Australian?

[spiral geode]

Anyone wanna pmayoob

[solid gate]

Obj 452k worth the gold?

[night citrus]

no

[somber night]

Guys, do you know this account? This is my account. The one above is my first account and now I have two accounts at once.

[normal forge]

So you reroll just to still have bad stats? Wowzers

[hollow wraith]

こんにちは

[old valve]

https://discord.gg/SdUfuMH

[normal forge]

👋

[pulsar echo]

My friend Double clicked a Tank while joining platoon now he can’t join any platoon without crashing even after deinstallation does someone have fix for this?

[vast plume]

Is CS 52 LIS worth it?

[alpine horizon]

I would say pretty average

[vast plume]

Thank you! I won't get it.

[blissful cave]

Bro it’s 10$

[mortal burrow]

Bro is 58 Ace Masteries in 141 battles any good.. BTW grinding Màus

[mild gust]

got tt 268 and did it always slap this hard?

[marsh grove]

Used to slap even harder

[teal pilot]

Does this work in blitz? https://m.youtube.com/shorts/xX9DjDKmtZU

[runic knoll]

Sometimes hitting the tracks does pen it for me but I don't try it often, mainly bc I'd rather not face a T95 head on if I can help it.

[somber lava]

guess the tank

was gun rammer 10% -> 7% -> 5% previously

[mortal axle]

so at that price, 17,5K gold is a good deal or not? because at previous offer i guess it was 20K

[dusk flame]

Other people have said it’s a good deal

[teal pilot]

Badger? Don't buy it

Calibrated shells defeats the point of such tank

[dusk flame]

There are as many opinions as there are people. I personally wouldn’t buy it either

[teal pilot]

I have it and speaking from experience. A lot of people use calibrated shells these days and they just shoot through the hulldown positioned badger. It's just not in the meta

[dim shard]

I wonder why the Tiger-Maus have a different alpha than every other tank that have the 12.8 KwK 44 L/55 gun (aka Maus gun)

[sour vessel]

i would want say Basilisk

[tranquil siren]

Greetings to all. Please tell me what equipment to put on the crane truck for an aggressive game.

[sour vessel]

here, if you have any questions, you can ask them

[old valve]

The equipment you're running looks pretty good to me already. The only thing I might change would be the traverse speed <-> engine power

[snow spoke]

It armor is pretty strong, 380 mm Heat couldn't defeat it armor on the FLAT GROUND.

[teal pilot]

Tiger maus with cali can pen a fairly large area of badger front armor

[snow spoke]

Either you mean lower plate or the badger just have really bad angle.

[teal pilot]

No I mean the upper part

Check the blitzkit. It's not 380mm thick all around. You are mistaken

[snow spoke]

Because you are upclose and personel? Badger is always been that way.

Badger are meant to play on hill anyways

[teal pilot]

No i'm talking about a fairly distant badger hiding lower plate weakspot

[old valve]

Fair enough, but there are quite a few ways to improve the armor. The last image has the Badger using about 6 of its 10° of gun depression.

[snow spoke]

If anything, I would like to improve it hull-downing capability.

Maybe traverse.

[old valve]

All of that on a tank that has nearly 3.8k dpm is enough in my book.

[snow spoke]

And insane penetration too

[old valve]

The only thing I'd maybe like to see buffed is either the traverse or the on-movement dispersion.
Other than that the tank works great as it is

[snow spoke]

Yeah, improve it raw armor would make it insane in both hill and urban.

[teal pilot]

Yes I agree the dpm and pen is very good. It's almost the top class in that regard. But the armor has been quite powercrept and it limits the type of plays you can make

[snow spoke]

Buff it traverse and maybe on-movement dispersion = better effective armor.

Agreed?

[old valve]

I personally don't think it's that much of a problem tbh. You might not be able to just sit on flat ground with your lower plate covered, but there are plenty of ways to work with the Badger on all maps.
I mean, it can even sidescrape

[snow spoke]

Yeah.

What about E3

[old valve]

Somewhat, a faster traverse means less time for the enemy to hit their shots reliably

[old valve]

The only way to really make the armor effective would be to hide the lower plate or just peak to shoot and pull back, hoping that no shell finds track wheel or lower plate

[snow spoke]

Maybe shave of DPM a little bit. If badger gonna get buff on traverse and on movement-disp

[snow spoke]

I miss it old lowerplate 🥀 .

[old valve]

Would be a pretty good shout; otherwise, it might become a little too versatile. Although minor adjustments to all mentioned characteristics would probably do the job.

[sour vessel]

also meet any skillful lt or mt and u cooked, I don't really like it because it's very slow and doesn't have a turret.

[teal pilot]

Yes jagdtiger has much higher traverse

[snow spoke]

A skillful MT and LT still need solid anchor to do the job.

And that's the most HT (or some TD job)

[teal pilot]

Biggest problem is this is a slow tank far from flexible. It has gun depression and good armor at max gun depression, but once you choose a spot, you are kind of stuck there for a very long time. Realistically it's hindered by many things

[sour vessel]

usually if this tank is very slow it means it will always lose in 1v1, you won't be able to quickly change the flank for safety or snipering

[snow spoke]

But the slow tank do balance by powerful gun and armor. If you like the fast tank.

Badger might not be your answer

[teal pilot]

Tanks like grille or hori are more meta suitable because of that reason

[sour vessel]

leopard 1

[teal pilot]

Yes ofc

[snow spoke]

Why snipering if you have all that armor.

You suppose to anchoring the enemy force there with your armor

[sour vessel]

I don't like this style of play, I think it's very unstatistical

[teal pilot]

You can't really hold a flank with armor in cali meta. You need the HT HP which badger obviously doesn't have. Badger is essentially 3shots to average TD. You just can't hold if enemy pens you

[snow spoke]

Yeah, As I said, traverse buff would be fine because thing can actually Sidescrape and solid hull-down already (and shave off DPM a littlebit)

And badger DPM is also really strong deterrent factor, keep that in mind

[teal pilot]

I don't agree. Alpha is the deterrent. Dpm is an aspect of flexibility. I am not peeking corner where jgpz is looking at me, whereas if it was a leopard I will

[snow spoke]

This thing have 460 alpha and still reload as fast as T95E6, bro.

You try peek the corner when you know you can pen them but they can't (It not always the alpha).

But you will don't reckless push knowing you will be shred by leopard 1 DPM. Do you

[teal pilot]

I don't fully understand your words but basically, reason I don't recommend this tank is, it's a mix of pros and cons that don't work well together.

If it had 600 alpha gun, it would work. If it had jagdtiger traverse, it would work. If it had mobility, it would work. If it had had 380mm armor like you thought, it would work. It doesn't. On average it results in a mediocre session with rare good games

[snow spoke]

Badger rn are not as bad as you make it to be, it armor are pretty strong on hill. It could even Sidescrape.

You said you could pen it with tiger maus yes? But you need gold? Badger don't

Armor might not work all the time, yes. But it still have that INSANE gun which is also major deterrant factor.

[teal pilot]

Wdym badger doesn't need to shoot gold. Its heat is insane, ap is just normal. In a hulldown (to use armor) you would need to heat spam quite a lot in a badger. I think you should just buy the tank and see it yourself atp.

[snow spoke]

Bro I have the badger.
You said you play tiger maus on FLAT GROUND.

Do you think anytank have any armor on the urban area? Badger is one of the tank that do have one.

Badger do need to shoot gold on hull down tank, but it mean badger itself also in the hulldown position. Which mean.

That is 5° of GD

Full 10 degree

[teal pilot]

Which is honestly pretty reasonable to hit compared to meta tanks like concept or kran which even has rotating turret

[snow spoke]

Oh yes, I use E5 which have one of the best HEAT pen of hull-down HT, what about the kran who have even worse HEAT ? -5 gun DP

[teal pilot]

Like that's 1 situation where badger works out of 10 and 9 other ones kran flat out dominates. Just compare the frequency of concept or kran with badger in pub

[snow spoke]

? How, -5 gun DP is not that common?

Keep in mind if match were actually play out in urban area, Badger have huge advantages because most HT will just flat out be paper, kran and concepts include

[teal pilot]

You can't unless it's like 1vs 1 there's always side flank. Like portbay mt island, mines hilltop/island, dead rails houses, etc. With turret you can manage it better. In city kran or concept is basically flanker. Badger can only be stuck in 1 corner

[snow spoke]

Yes side flank, let go man

[teal pilot]

Also like himmelsdorf dirt pile for example, tank with turret can use it much better than badger

[snow spoke]

Oh wait you said MT flank right?

[teal pilot]

No like Middlesburg town, where there's no good position, you better just be a flanker in a mobile tank rather than be stuck in corner

[snow spoke]

I would say it does pretty well on hill side. And middleburg and a ton of position where you will don't get easily flank.

[teal pilot]

Lastly track being destroyed is a game ending event for badger unlike meta tanks. You can bounce a couple shots but that just doesn't tend to last very long

[snow spoke]

Maybe, but keep in mind present of badger alone make enemy resort to do funny rushing much less likely even they have numerical superiority.

[snow spoke]

E3 is even suffer more from that funny circumstances 😭

[teal pilot]

No honestly that's what 183 is. Badger is super rush-able

[snow spoke]

So you saying a 460 alpha gun which have even faster reload than T95E6 cannot get atleast two shot before rushing success?.

Also 183 is even more easily be bait than badger because of poor armor.

[teal pilot]

People do rush 460 alpha. People rush jagdtiger all the time. They get surprised by its traverse. Badger doesn't have it

[snow spoke]

Unless I don't need to rush Jadg because I can easily pen it hull from the front.

And rushing that way is pretty situational, unless you get bait hard into the VERY front of 1st lined. And no other TD cover your back.

[mortal burrow]

Bro Màus bro Màus

[snow spoke]

Maus is kinda need accuracy buff and we will how that play out

[earnest oxide]

will the xi tier be added in the blitz game or nope?

[sudden torrent]

Nobody knows, instead of T11 there's still lots tech tree tanks need to be added such as tesak & strv (hopefully soon)

[stoic mason]

With tier 1-3 being removed and Wotb shifting to new engine. The possibility is high imo.
Also I know i am quite late but, wth is wrong with these people bruh. Over 14.5 million credits for a tier 5 💀

[earnest oxide]

wait tier 1 and 3 are being removed?

[stoic mason]

They are moving to a different category aka vintage set

[earnest oxide]

oh how would that work?

[stoic mason]

In short vintage set will have separate match making than the normal one.

[sour vessel]

most have 600m so for em it's like penny

[stoic mason]

Still for a tier 5 which was free years ago. Like seriously

[sour vessel]

some don't get it, auction works so only the greediest rich win.

[stoic mason]

Yeh

[blissful cave]

I bid 20 mil

I didn’t have that tank and in this time I never got it, and there really isn’t anything else you can do with credits

[main ruin]

Well..
I have a question.
Why a tier 8 tank > then tier 10 tank ?
View from the American T-34 on premium shells

[blissful cave]

Because sloped armor

Everywhere on that taygete is all super sloped and would ricochet while the face of the E-100 is completely flat, even if armored

So it’s likely not that the T34 doesnt have enough pen it’s more likely that those Taygete slopes are autoricochets

[main ruin]

This game so weird(

[blissful cave]

That’s kinda just how sloped armor works

Heavily angled armor can almost double the effective armor it has

[agile geyser]

relative armor theory, WoT posted a vid abt that but this is wotb, but the theory still works

[blissful cave]

🤣

[agile geyser]

i mean 30mm can instantly turn into 300mm if you know what you're doing.

[blissful cave]

Like this 78mm of raw armor when sloped becomes 300mm

Yoooo I didn’t know about this thing
We should get this Swiss TD

1981 is pretty modern but maybe since we have late 70’s tanks

[rotund gull]

sry i copie littel bit but this can be one way for Swiss Tanks for the Game

the many reason is French have now 4 new TT Lines.
First Picture:
Green Light
Yellow Tds
Blue HT
Red meds

own tree is mabye okey but the history between France and Swiss is one reason for french tt and we have 22% who's speak french

I think this can fit with 3 TT lines or 4

[blissful cave]

I figured out how to make stupid edits like this and I’m having so much fun

[plucky summit]

But then I used a 105mm

[agile geyser]

Relative Armor bro

[plucky summit]

3CR

[icy wadi]

3crb jumpscare

[snow spoke]

But like, slope armor cover more area than flat which mean eat more resources, and reduce internal volume and also make weilding much complicated.

Then why slope?

Because projectile have to "take a bite" on armor
(Basically the tip of the shell bite the armor) and slope armor make the shell likely to slip-off and then slip sideaways.

[blissful cave]

I hope this answers it in the most simple way possible

[snow spoke]

I mean there is that, and also "bite-effect" on armor of you mean irl.

But the picture you send, slope armor take more resources to cover the same area of flat-armor.

So that's why Tiger I was born with those flat armor

[blissful cave]

What? No it takes half the resources
You could have a flat 200mm plate or a 100mm plate sloped back for 200mm of effective armor
Using half the metal to get the same result

[snow spoke]

Okay, wait a sec

[blissful cave]

The flat 200mm plate would be twice as heavy too, so the sloped 100mm plate uses half the metal half the weight for the same amount of armor

[snow spoke]

If i use the same steel, I can also reach 200mm armor in flat @blissful cave

[blissful cave]

Do you include thickness?

Because the flat plate would need to be twice as thick as the angled ones (for same mm armor)

[snow spoke]

Yes, but the weight would be the same @blissful cave

[blissful cave]

Ok so two 100mm plates vs one 200mm plate is what you’re saying

[snow spoke]

It basically the same amount of material. So sound fair to me

[blissful cave]

Even then the sloped armor is still more effective for bouncing shells

[snow spoke]

If there was no "bite effect" that I tell you earlier, flat armor would be better because of simplicity

[blissful cave]

Have you noticed they don’t use flat plate armor anymore?
Even modern ones that did have flat areas on front changed them to sloped (like leopard 2)

[snow spoke]

Abram's do have flat plate because,

1. APFSDS mostly mitigate "bite effect"

2.It better for modular armor.

You basically saying the "bite effect" work.

[violet timber]

Leo 2 really doesn’t have an angled plate aside from the upper glacis

[blissful cave]

I meant turret

[violet timber]

The hull beak and turret covering aren’t proper armor, they’re composite spacers

[snow spoke]

Because slope armor disallow shell to "bite on" armor. Not because it increase "more thickness" than flat

[violet timber]

You’re half right, sloped armor is also used to increase effective thickness

[snow spoke]

No, let talk about increase effective thickness by this picture.

Do you see any problem?
If I use the same amount of steel, I also get 200 mm of armor in flat

[violet timber]

Yes, angles less than 60 really don’t do anything to increase the ricochet chance of shells, but they do increase the effective armor a shell has to penetrate

[snow spoke]

Then why don't just make flat twice as thick? It basically give you the same weight and was easier to weilding

[violet timber]

The challenger is an example of a tank that uses sloped armor to increase effective armor

[violet timber]

Because it’s actually more weight. Sloped armor allows you to use less material to have the same effective armor assuming the angling is enough

[snow spoke]

You are wrong, pls wait

[violet timber]

The only reason to not used sloped armor is to increase internal volume

[snow spoke]

@violet timber

You use all those material to give the same thickness while makeing the weilding harder (let say bite effect is not present)

[violet timber]

Welding was only “harder” in the early stages of tank making, by WW2 it wasn’t a problem

[snow spoke]

It was always hard, that why they use cast-hull.

[violet timber]

And this is assuming that you’re using 2 plates to cover the area, while 1 plate can do it for less material just fine.

[violet timber]

It really wasn’t. Cast hulls were used because they were easily mass producible

[snow spoke]

How? Do you mean 1 plate of flat armor

[violet timber]

No, 1 plate of sloped armor. Look at the challenger turret. If you tried to recreate the thickness with flat plates, your need far more material

[snow spoke]

No, it the same. Let say what you are looking is the turret.

[violet timber]

It’s clearly not

[snow spoke]

Go do some math. And prove I was wrong

[violet timber]

Why don’t you do some math? Prove I’m wrong

[snow spoke]

? I already prove you are wrong

[violet timber]

? You haven’t

[snow spoke]

Hull or turret, it is the same steel of armor. By far you haven't present any evidenced

[violet timber]

Utilizing one plate, if you slope it then you can get more effective armor for less material. That’s the main reason for sloping armor. You keep weight down while having the same effective armor.

There’s a reason Soviet tanks have massively sloped plates. They want light designs so that they’re easily transportable, and you don’t get that with the flat plates of NATO designs

[snow spoke]

Wow, now my lower part of hull (or turret) now completely just air because my project manager just cut the budget saying you can get the more thickness from slope armor than flat.

[violet timber]

Brother, if your logic was correct then Soviet designs would have to be as big as nato designs to have the similar levels of armor protection they achieve. And yet, they are noticeably smaller. This completely disproves your point.

[snow spoke]

No, it only reinforce my "Bite on armor" effect point. Not the thickness point of yours.

That's also why NATO tank is just flat because the realiaze apfsds don't care much about "bite armor" effect

[violet timber]

It doesn’t though. If it did, then they would’ve removed the sloping in their modern designs. Yet russias modern tanks still have sloped armor everywhere, even with shells such as APFSDS that rarely ricochet unless at extreme angles

And nations like Great Britain still have quite a bit of angling on the important sectors of their tanks, being the turret face and upper plate. Germany even added sloping to their tanks somewhat using the turret face coverings.

[snow spoke]

Because "bite on armor" effect?

[violet timber]

No, because it increases effective thickness lmao

[snow spoke]

That's why most of the tank in early WW2 or 1 just flat because they don't realize "bite on armor" was a thing.

Care to prove using some math?

[violet timber]

That’s not true at all, angling started in WW1 and continued on many tanks in WW2. Normalization was realized well before WW2 even started and nations developed shell caps to assist in this

[snow spoke]

Go read some book

[violet timber]

Oh wow, look at how flat these tanks are! No angled plates to be found!

[violet timber]

This is literally the normalization I was just talking about

[snow spoke]

Of course, you don't read

[violet timber]

The first sentence here talks about how angling improves effective armor. The second is literally describing normalization.

[snow spoke]

It have less inpact because the shell "sliding of" or "rotate sideaways". In the first picture

[violet timber]

Which just improves effective armor…

[snow spoke]

No, it "bite on" effect that i describe earlier

https://www.navalgazing.net/Armor-Part-2

[violet timber]

And that effect improves effective armor. You can’t say “no” then proceed to say something that agrees with what I said

Your entire argument here is contradictory and backed up by only part of what you sent, but also ignoring history entirely

[snow spoke]

You basically so defensive at this point and you try to bend the meaning of what you said earlier, just admit that you are wrong and move on

[violet timber]

Ah yes, I’m defensive while youre self contradictory

[violet timber]

Because what I said is correct, even what you sent backs up what I said

[snow spoke]

?

Slope armor born because bite-effect on armor, not because it increase the thickness.

Agree?

[violet timber]

For a shell to ricochet, it has to slip off the armor, which doesn’t really happen at angles smaller than 60 degrees

[violet timber]

No, you’re half right but you’re ignoring the fact that it literally does increase effective armor

[snow spoke]

No, usually slope reduce the shell bite on effect, more slope= better

[violet timber]

Brother, this is not an exclusionary clause

You’re ignoring half the puzzle and saying “I’ve figured the whole thing out”

[snow spoke]

So you are gonna ignoreing that flat armor basically have the same thickness as slope if you use the same material

[violet timber]

I’m not ignoring that fact at all

[snow spoke]

I already read whole paragraph and all part of that page because I am naval enjoyer

[violet timber]

But the fact of the matter is that sloping increases the amount of material a shell has to penetrate

[snow spoke]

By using more amount of steel, yes

[violet timber]

By using less steel

[snow spoke]

?

[violet timber]

That doesn’t prove that you need more steel

[snow spoke]

It prove that flat armor give the same amount of thickness if you use same amount steel.

[violet timber]

Except it’s wrong. The joint where the sloped plates meet is double counted.

[snow spoke]

Go do some math otherwise your are wrong

[violet timber]

Except I proved your math is flawed, needing to double count some material for you to be correct here.

[snow spoke]

Unless it actually one more point of structural failure.

Prove it, prove that I am wrong. Go.

[violet timber]

I already proved that you are wrong lol

[snow spoke]

By only speaking through your fragile emotional intelligence with no logic or math backing it up?

Sure, if you want that. You win

[violet timber]

You have double counted the material at the joint of the sloped plates. That’s not “fragile emotional intelligence”, that’s a fact.

[snow spoke]

Actually, the joint of slope plate is just more point of structural failure. Stress tend to concentrate on the discontinue, imperfect angle

[violet timber]

I mean keep strawmanning if you want, it doesn’t help your point

[snow spoke]

You said material at the joint are stronger because of thickness, but it isn't. It just more stress concentration point which actually make the armor intrigrity weaker.

Reality doesn't work like blitz

[violet timber]

And now you’re putting words in my mouth. Where did i say materials at the joint are stronger?

[snow spoke]

?

[violet timber]

I never said material at the joint is stronger??? I said that you double counted material at the joint, which you did.

[snow spoke]

Explain more, don't be ambiguous

[violet timber]

Right here, the length of both plates extends into each other, making them both have material existing there at the same time. That’s not physically possible.

[snow spoke]

I keep it simple. It could also be like this

[violet timber]

That still cuts material off both of the plates

[snow spoke]

It actually use more, since X lenght mean you measure it from inside, assuming all angle is 60° for simplicity @violet timber

[blissful cave]

You guys are still on this?

[snow spoke]

Yes, idk man.

[blissful cave]

[snow spoke]

He know he is lost but resort to nit-picking when I try to keep it as simple as possible

[violet timber]

Okay but that’s forcing the sloped plates to cover more area…

[blissful cave]

Bruh just drop it already

[violet timber]

You’re the one who told me to prove you wrong, that’s what I’m doing. It’s not my fault that I’m correct.

[snow spoke]

Yeah, I am glad you are enlightened. I think my work here is done

[blissful cave]

Sloped armor increases effectiveness, simple

[snow spoke]

If i put the armor thickening inside intead of outside, it actually reduce internal volume, which doesn't fair

[snow spoke]

You are the one who try to poke my prove and you still cannot do it.

While your side has nothing as a solid prove in the first place. Go, do some math as prove, I will try to poke it as you try to defense it and we will see you will survive the scrutiny

[blissful cave]

Sloped armor has been one of the most important parts of tank design for nearly all of tank history like why bother doing all this when they couldve just done this the whole time am I right?

[violet timber]

How you currently have it isn't fair. The tank with sloped armor would have a greater hull height, meaning it would have to cover more area the way youa re presenting it.

[blissful cave]

New and improved IS-7 guys

[violet timber]

I have quite literally disproven your math already, you just don't want to accept it.

[snow spoke]

That's the dead space, if you try to fit you end up with bad ergonomic as Soviet tank do.

[violet timber]

So you have to unfairly position measure where the height is in order to get your point to work. Do you see how that logic is flawed? You started this off by saying that they have to cover the same area and are now saying that the sloped plates have to cover more area. If you have to contradict yourself to get your point to work, then you're wrong.

[blissful cave]

You know what, why even develop tanks when the optimal design has already been discovered in WW1 just simply make the armor thicker as time goes on

[snow spoke]

Maybe, try to re-sentensce your argument again

[violet timber]

My sentences are perfectly fine. If you cannot understand them, that is a problem with your english ability and not mine.

[snow spoke]

No? I don't have solid prove of your how i am wrong, so I am right.

It like your mistake for not pointing it out.

[violet timber]

Your arguments consist of logical falacies. Just because you don't want to admit that they are there doesn't mean they disappear.

[snow spoke]

Just because you say i have logical fallacy but don't give the solid prove doesn't mean I am wrong too.

[violet timber]

I've pointed out your fallacies already.

[snow spoke]

? You haven't. Where is the photo you do the calculation? Where is your solid prve?

[violet timber]

I have. First you need to double count material for your math to work, next you need to move the goalpost such that the sloped armor has to cover more area. I don't need to show math to prove these two things, as I have already done that.

[snow spoke]

Where? I don't see your math.

[blissful cave]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-wizard-emote-popcorn-clash-royale-gif-2425645330632379780

[violet timber]

And now you're just being ignorant. If you aren't willing to have an academic discussion because you are so hellbent on being right that you cannot admit your own mistake, I see no point in continuing this. Have a good day, enjoy being wrong.

[snow spoke]

Yeah enjoying you are wrong by thinking you are right too.

[violet timber]

You have yet to prove me wrong.

[snow spoke]

Yes I already have. I don't any of your calculations

[violet timber]

With flawed logic.

[snow spoke]

With flawless logic

[violet timber]

You don't need my calculations when yours have been proven to be wrong or misleading.

[snow spoke]

How am I wrong?

[violet timber]

You call basic physics errors and moving the goalpost "flawless logic"? Interesting argument, but as you can see I've already proven it false.

[blissful cave]

A flat plate does not bounce shells

[teal pilot]

Bedm honestly I think you invest way too much time on arguing here. You did the same thing with me just a few hrs ago. Get other hobbies

[violet timber]

He's human and has the need to be right. Unforunately he lacks the humility to accept that he is not always right.

[snow spoke]

? Seem like the same space
@blissful cave i am not saying slope armor was not effective, go read in the first paragraph

[blissful cave]

Sloped armor has been proven effective and that’s why nearly all tanks have used it since WW2

[violet timber]

Except now the flat plate is larger because you've added material to it

[teal pilot]

What even is this debate this is not even vehicle discussion

[blissful cave]

Look on the angled one there’s more space for the driver

AND it can actually bounce shells

[snow spoke]

I am basically saying slope armor was there because bite effect, not the increasing thickness.

[blissful cave]

You guys like “optimal IS-7”?

[teal pilot]

Why you gotta always take hot takes. The other day you were hellbent on tryinga prove leo1 is better than e50m in 1vs1

[snow spoke]

My brain basically thinking M48, but yes. I am wrong. But still leo would shred stb1 and M48 in 1v1

[blissful cave]

I don’t waste my time with pointless arguments after a bit once i realize it’s going nowhere so that’s why I left a while ago and came back just to watch the show since it’s still on

[teal pilot]

Stb1 actually quite likely, m48 i dont think so

[blissful cave]

OOH I wanna hear your take on rounded armor like the American tanks where does this fit into this argument lmao
Like M48 Patton and M103

[snow spoke]

Round armour of american fixing the "space problem" while also taking the advanatge of slope armor "bite effect"

[violet timber]

That doesn't make any sense

[blissful cave]

YOU ACKNOWLEDGED IT

There you go you solved the argument

[teal pilot]

I see that type of people so many times in game as well. Plays like donut, thumbs down everyone, still gets mad, insults in dm

[violet timber]

Any sort of angling, even the boat shaped hulls of american tanks, takes away from internal space

[snow spoke]

Why? M48 have quite low DPM and it armour wasn't as good as T22

[snow spoke]

Yes? That's basically my point, slope armor decrease the chance of shell biting on the armor that is the main point. Increasing the thickness wasn't

[violet timber]

The american tanks were actually designed to cause ricochets instead of just increasing the effective armor

[blissful cave]

No, no no no that wasn’t it don’t like you’re on our side now, you tried to tell us that a flat double thick plate is the same as sloped armor

[snow spoke]

In the thickness perspective, yes

[blissful cave]

Ok but the sloped armor is still better because of the ricochet chance

[violet timber]

Depends on how sloped the armor is

[blissful cave]

True

[snow spoke]

Yes.

[blissful cave]

Yeah

So what’s the problem

What’s the issue that we’re still here for?

[snow spoke]

Idk, i just point out that. If there was no bite-armor effect irl. The armor would all just flat.

[violet timber]

I mean the increased thickness was part of the reason armor was sloped

You could also keep tanks smaller and lighter, there was a multitude of reasons to slope armor. But it did also come with the tradeoff of reduced internal volume, so it was a give and take

[sour vessel]

what better? for isu 122s

[violet timber]

IA

[agile geyser]

Right, the slope meets slope, shell gets deflected

Relative armor works when eating shells

[teal pilot]

The volume of metal is roughly just thickness times height. It does use less metal if the armor is thinner but more sloped.

[sour vessel]

vickers mbt is good or bad tank?

[teal pilot]

Mid

[sour vessel]

i test it, problem is that I don't know which zone to go to lol

I feel like I can get good stats but it's pretty fragile

[teal pilot]

As long as you don't play yolo chase you're on the right track

[sour vessel]

it's tank like "Stats come naturally if you survive longer" and "Positioning > aggression"?

[teal pilot]

You can survive till the end and be pretty bad still but usually that's right

[sour vessel]

@teal pilot heavy tank: keep flank
medium tank: warriors/sniper
light tank: spotter/sniper
TD: killer

right?

[teal pilot]

There's too much variance within each types. Generally right though

You should watch pro livestreams like Peter kekw, Juicy Tender Steak, SpanishSahara, Lazer585

Watch various people play the same tank see which position works in what situation.

[timber torrent]

I really enjoy playing the e100 with the stock gun cuz it has more dpm. Is maus better than E100?

[eternal bronze]

No

[patent prism]

Health

The armor on the 122s is not reliable only HE proof from the front, increasing it would be pointless

[lean stratus]

Tank name?

[violet timber]

It’s a joke

[snow spoke]

Don't forget you also need more sideaways armor too, if you are slope.

(So the same amount of steel could be use to increase internal volumn of the flat-armor side, which is also contribute crew confort)

The "thickness-effect" is not free, but the "ricochet chance" or yawning effect are almost free on slope armor.

Still, I think Us and German realize that slope inside actually have some effect on the Apfsds, so their composite was made to slope to destabilize it.

Yes, wbs disorder are funny, pls ignore it

[dusk flame]

What do you all think about the Kust on paper?

[normal forge]

Looks fun

[dusk flame]

But another paid crate tank...

[normal forge]

Yes, dont buy it

[dusk flame]

Don't worry, I won't 🙂

[urban wasp]

https://youtu.be/tpqrWUMvc5o

🇫🇷 🫡

[fair oasis]

😭🙏

[sick osprey]

Buff Tiger Maus real

[plucky summit]

Consider a cube of required internal space. The point is that sloped armor only saves you material to maintain effectiveness if the internal space is deliberately designed to account for sloped armor. Otherwise in this scenario it has to have side armor to accommodate it, increasing the weight potentially more than it would have saved by crossing into each other, depending on side armor thickness.

Obviously there are more upsides to sloped armor than just increasing the raw material to penetrate like blitz has it. And even in Blitz, the hidden benefits of sloped armor is apparent when angular conditions are satisfied (70 degrees). In real ballistics, it’s more complicated, so flat armor doesn’t quite make the weight efficient, especially since crews tend not to operate in cubes

[plucky summit]

The point made against this is that if you end up with half your weight, you end up with half your height too, since 60 degrees of sloped armor requires twice the length to reach the same height a flat doubly-thickened plate does

[snow spoke]

Bro, I really appreciate, as I point out, the benefit of slope armor doesn't mainly come from increasing the total thickness. 🥹

[peak dagger]

Is the Action X competitive or power crept?

this is certainly power crept

same with AT 15

[violet timber]

Neither really, it’s just mid

[peak dagger]

How competitive is the 112 Glacial?

It's weird to ask this when there's a Taygete ingame

[teal pilot]

I sold it for credits

[ember mesa]

Hi guys, what do you think is the best medium for beginners?

[dusk flame]

If you can go hulldown, you can fire all day long with that DPM

[obsidian egret]

Did you just lost your mod role lol

[plucky summit]

I resigned recently, yeah

[obsidian egret]

Feels great doesn’t it? Having more time to useful things irl instead facing discord mod duty all the times

[plucky summit]

I'm not forced to, and honestly, I didn't do too much moderating. A lot of it was through DMs getting appeals, role requests, etc.

It's just nice not feeling bad about not having the time to moderate

[viral silo]

anyone tier 8 turney?

[quaint pebble]

I don't understand myself why i enrichment the is-8 lol

[trail orchid]

Anyone know what the changes to the Vickers MBT will be once it moves to tier 9

[bleak whale]

Well it is not in this update but if I am to guess when would be the following update in March. (Don’t really rely on me as this is a guess on what I think is going to happen).

[trail orchid]

Yeah just interested to see what they will do with it as I do like playing the tank

[bleak whale]

Well when the ut4 opens up you can try it out

[trail orchid]

Yeah that and the others that are moving up a tier like the tornvagen

[bleak whale]

It’s a great time as it won’t affect your stats

[trail orchid]

Yeah just seen the somua is getting moved up a tier as well ,that will need some major upgrades imo

[bleak whale]

I think that the up tier will happen with the MBT when it happens

[trail orchid]

Yeah see how they are changed come the 12th and we can play reforged again

[bleak whale]

As I have played the new test, I would say it is a huge improvement on things that were previously problems in the past

[trail orchid]

Good to know ,it does look decent from what I have seen

[eager umbra]

Why did they make t2 and t3 tds collectors?

[mystic meteor]

Guys, i need help, im new player(1500 matches) and im about to research my first Xtier IS-7 or IS-4. I have checked stats, armor etc. but i need to know how it looks in battle

If someone have played this two tanks and have an opinion, i would be greatfull

#vehicles-discussion

[abstract pier]

Honestly, it doesn't matter, you can choose either one. The IS4's advantage is its damage per minute, and it's similar to the EM50; even though it looks like it's going to be penetrated, you don't know how it ricochets shots. The IS7's depression and reload are a pain; it's quite complicated because no matter how hard you try, it always hides to be easily penetrated frontally. Both are good, but it depends on your experience level. Since you mentioned you're a beginner, the IS4 would be better; you'll find it more comfortable and learn before moving on to the IS7.

[mystic meteor]

Thanks

[outer axle]

Guys, I also need help because I don't know if I need to sell my 60tp and go to kran. PLEASE help me

[abstract pier]

I recently acquired this tank and have been playing it. I think it's terrible. On paper, the autoloader looks great, but it can't penetrate 90% of the tanks in its tier from the side, even with an APCR, and it only penetrates about 40% of the tanks in the lowest tier. It's not that I don't know how to play light tanks; I'm a fan of the T92 LT, and even after firing a lot of shots, most of them either bounce off or penetrate. You waste so many shots and you realize you've only done the bare minimum damage per shot because the distance reduces the damage. I think it's awful and needs improvement. If there's an expert out there who can tell me how to play it, I'd be happy to learn because I really like AMX tanks, but this one is terrible for its tier.

[abstract pier]

I loved the old AMX 50B; the four-shot version was better. They nerfed it too much. When they removed the mobility, it became 100% dependent on the weapon. And now that they've removed the mobility, it's become a meme tank. They could have at least left the option to choose a weapon for those of us who prefer the four-shot version.

[abstract pier]

Its side armor is too broad to benefit from this upgrade; it's not a tank that can angled effectively or be protected from penetration by the increased armor. The LP upgrade is better.

[fringe shell]

get the feel of them ig

[urban wasp]

Personnally prefer the 3 shots version like in the past
Less dmg but less time being exposed and much less to reload

[fringe shell]

4 shot was busted thats why it was changed
and reactive

[abstract pier]

I'd like to see its penetration improved. Honestly, it doesn't look like a collector's item. I think the magazine size is fine, even the impact damage, but the penetration against tier 6 tanks is okay. However, if you're not a pro with light tanks, you'll struggle a lot because even premium ammo doesn't penetrate well, and you have to expose yourself a lot to do any damage.

Not to mention that it doesn't have depression, so you have to be careful not to expose yourself too much, and it's not a tank that can afford to attack too close. That 90 damage per hit... it's really reduced a lot by the loss of penetration at range.

[urban wasp]

I thing you're talking about the wrong tank...

[abstract pier]

I'm talking about the AMX-57. Look at the stats, not the win percentage, but the number of battles, survival rate, and supposedly total number of players with the tank. Many of them have probably sold it because it's not a tank you see much in battle. The number of battles makes it clear that few people play it, and the win rate tells me they're pros at light tanks... but you can't judge a tank's quality based on whether pros use it. It's like putting a 60TP tank on a novice and saying the tank isn't good. In the case of the AMX, it's the opposite. Most of those players are pros at light tanks, but out of those 200 battles, there are 9800 or more players who supposedly own it but don't use it. Not to mention that several of those battles might be from the same player. So the tank isn't good; it needs a pro player to shine. Otherwise, it will only be used to trade for gold.

[keen shore]

I like Titan T-54d, but I wish you could use armor consumable more often to be honest.

[urban wasp]

But why did you switch to the 13-57, while we were talking about the 50 B ?

I think you've mistaken with someone else

[fringe shell]

Don't play lights then. They are skill-based

All of them.

[fringe shell]

Sounds like a skill issue too

[ivory shell]

Honestly been enjoying the Sterope with the cyclic gun, that 480 alpha hits like a truck

[snow spoke]

Most of LT suppose to be oppunistic, and yes it require experience to learn when the opportunity will come.

Your argument is flaw.
Because you assume that every tank have the same skill floor, which it doesn't.

Example

Most player will perform on 183 better than Leo 1 because 183 have lower skill floor, not it is the better tank.

[half plaza]

Whats better?
T34 (not T-34) or Lorraine 40 t

[blissful cave]

T34

Heavy tank with TD level penetration is really fun to use

[spiral heart]

improved ventilation or calibrated shells on p44 pantera?

[peak root]

cali shels

[mild gust]

anyone know what to use for the 12 pen shots quest?

[old valve]

I personally use the AC Atlas with the autoloader gun.
Some medium or light tank with high rate of fire could also work

[mild gust]

what “breaks” the consecutive shots
someone said even ramming breaks the streak

[buoyant saddle]

is obj 777 good?

[snow spoke]

Kinda, yes.

[dusk flame]

AC Atlas all the way with magazine gun. One game and you’re done

[half plaza]

Which one is better? WZ-120-1G FT or Lorraine 50 t?

[snow spoke]

120

[half plaza]

Ty

[fringe shell]

ATAC

[blissful cave]

I had the same idea but it’s tier 10 only

[sonic canyon]

Is the obj 907 still good?

[half plaza]

Is Lorraine 40 t good?

[snow spoke]

Yes

[hard saddle]

Lorraine 40t is a bit of a glass cannon, able to dish out big damage quickly and fast enough make a hasty retreat to reload. However, you need to have good situational awareness and timing to not get caught out of position on a reload because the tank will not absorb damage very well.

[compact zephyr]

Conqueror or M103?

[fringe shell]

Conker all the way

[blissful cave]

I really like M103 but to be fair I haven’t played tier 9 conqueror in so long

Since if I want to play conqueror I play the super since it’s just a conqueror with cool armor

[karmic gale]

are these good?

[stoic mason]

Yes

[karmic gale]

lets gooooooo

[slow cosmos]

Imagine a tank that can 'scan' the area by shooting the ground.
Check out my concept: the B-100 Spotter.
It’s a high-skill, high-reward tank with a built-in radar and a 'sticky bomb' mechanic.
It has some serious weaknesses to keep it balanced. What do you guys think? Would this fit the current meta?
#suggestion

​Tank Concept: B-100 (Hybrid Collector Tank)
​Appearance:
​Turret: T-100 LT (Low profile, high ricochet chance).
​Hull: Bat-Châtillon 25 t (Slender and agile).
​Technical Stats:
​HP: 1800
​
​Top Speed: 50-55 km/h.
​Ammo Capacity: 80 Shells.
​Special Equipment: Damage Reduction Shield (Active ability).
​Main Gimmick: The "Tracer Shell" (Priced same as HEAT)
​Ground Scan: Shooting the ground creates a smoke screen that spots all enemies within a 70-75meter radius.
​Enemy Hit (Tagging): Deals 100 direct damage and applies a "Trace Effect" for 8 seconds.
​Explosive Finale: If the 8-second effect ends without being neutralized, the enemy takes an additional 200 damage.
​Counter-play: Teammates of the tagged player can neutralize the effect by shooting the "flashing sensor" on the tagged tank’s body.
​Balanced Weaknesses (High-Risk/High-Reward):
​Self-Reload Penalty: Using the Tracer Shell increases your inter-clip/shell reload to 7 seconds, making you vulnerable.
​Fragile Tracks: If the tracks are destroyed, the tank is immobilized for 10 seconds (unless a Repair Kit is used).
​Drop Chance: 10% (Limited Event/Crate Tank)

After some thought, I'm adjusting the stats: I'll reduce the top speed slightly but give it high acceleration. This makes it a true 'hit-and-run' specialist. It's a bit heavier than a normal Light, but the armor is only at the front—so it's still very punishable!
.
And Btw guys, 'B-100' is just a placeholder name. I’m still looking for a cooler name for this beast. Maybe something that fits the 'Sticky Bomb' or 'Stinger' vibe? Any suggestions? Lmao let's hear the most cursed or coolest names you got! 😂

Too lazy to read? Here’s the simple version of B-100 "Spotter":
​📡 Tracer Shell: Shoot the ground to spot enemies within 70-75m! Or You guys can tell any suggestions
💣 Sticky Bomb: Hit an enemy to "tag" them for +200 extra damage.
🛡️ Shield: Built-in damage reduction.
🔄 The Catch: 7s reload penalty when using Tracers (normal is 2.5s).
⚙️ The Risk: 10-second track repair time (Stay mobile or get wrecked!).
🏎️ Speed: 50-55 km/h | 🩸 HP: 1800.
​Check the details above for the full concept! 👇

​Hull Reference: Bat-Châtillon 25 t (but slightly wider and heavier-looking).
​Turret Reference: T-100 LT (the classic pancake turret).
​Special Detail: Add a rotating radar dish (like the one on the Gepard or Chieftain Marksman) on the rear engine deck

.

I don't have a 3D model yet, but imagine a BC-25t hull with a T-100 LT turret and an active radar on top. What do you think about this silhouette?" #suggestion

Btw a little story about this tank
The Lore: Project "Ghost Light"
​"In a battlefield choked by smoke and hidden predators, commanders were losing their eyes. A secret team of Hybrid engineers took the agile Bat-Châtillon 25 t chassis and fused it with experimental sonar technology.
​Born in an underground bunker, the B-100 'Spotter' wasn't built for a fair fight—it was built to be a Ghost Hunter. By firing Tracer Shells into the ground, it sends out a sonic pulse that drags enemies out of the shadows

Fun fact about the lore: This tank was nicknamed 'The Ghost Light Hunter' because it was designed specifically to hunt down campers using stolen sonar technology

[valid gale]

Did you use an AI to expand upon it lol I already see language it tends to use

Also if you ever had experience worth a dam you’d know the T100 has abysmal gun angles, pair this on the batchat which suffers the same thing it’s literally garbage

Alsoo what the hell is this? The batchat hull is not that heavy and why make the max speed 45kmh if the wording implies it’s supposed to be a light? Also weird the justification is “ram damage”

Why is there 5 different mechanics alone for it what are you smoking

[marsh grove]

Shield can be replaced with Reactive armor

But what the hell is Sticky bombs 😭

[valid gale]

No thats spall liner since its still a BC hull

[marsh grove]

Oh right i forgot

Still doesnt answer what Sticky bombs can be 💔

[valid gale]

Guaranteed damage which is toxic

[marsh grove]

Team fortress 2 Demoman tank

[valid gale]

The T100s skin is already named that, and it’s just beating the horse at this stage to point out the name also not original

[marsh grove]

Shoot the ground to spot enemies within 100m
❓❓❓

Thats DEFINITELY not how tracer rounds work
And deals 100 direct dmg too btw

[valid gale]

You didn’t read it fully because the whole point of that terrible concept is it can shoot the ground to spot within 100 meters with tracer shells alongside it

[marsh grove]

10% drop chance

Somehow the more i read, the worse it gets

[valid gale]

I’m very puzzled where this came from AI normally doesn’t care about numbers or atleast doesn’t change them without input

[marsh grove]

Could be human writing + AI Assisted
Judging by the first paragraph and then the second, shortened one

[valid gale]

Yes as I said but this implies he put those numbers in himself and thought that’s good

[pure bronze]

both are really nice to play

[marsh grove]

Tracer round mechanic that deals 100 direct damage and spots around 100m... Sticky bombs which literally deal guaranteed dmg and a built in Spall liner

[valid gale]

But it’s also slow as hell and heavy and cannot point the gun down at all

[marsh grove]

What tank class is it supposed to be, a Slow medium?

[valid gale]

The wording implies it’s still a light and there’s nothing else besides that

As I expected he joined solely just to post that just now

[slow cosmos]

@valid gale Haha, I used AI to help structure my thoughts and make the English clearer, but the core mechanics and the 'Sonar' idea are 100% my own crazy concept. Just wanted to make it look professional!

@valid gale You're right about the gun angles. I envisioned this as a flat-ground support tank, not a hull-down monster. It's meant to be a challenge to play, keeping that 'abysmal' depression as a balancing factor for the Sonar utility.

@valid gale The 50 tons and 45km/h speed are because it's a 'modified' hybrid. Think of it like a light tank chassis reinforced with heavy internal sonar tech and extra armor plating for anti-ramming. It’s a niche 'Heavy-Light' hybrid experiment, not a traditional scout.

[valid gale]

Any scout that can’t run above 50 is a paperweight

The T100 and batchats lack of gun angles is compensated they have high speed and can just move somewhere to bend down anyways

[slow cosmos]

@valid gale Fair point on the speed. But remember, this isn't a 'run-and-gun' scout. It's a 'stealth-and-scan' support.
​If I give it 65km/h speed + Sonar + Heavy Ramming armor, it would be too broken (OP). The 45km/h is the 'price' you pay for having the ability to reveal everyone behind walls. It's a high-skill tank: if you get caught out in the open, you're dead. But if you play it smart, you control the map. You think 55km/h would be a better compromise without breaking the game?

.

Thanks for the breakdown, @Appeaser #3 183 Hater! You nailed the vision. Since the stats are still 'experimental' and @dogofwisdom thinks the mobility makes it a paperweight, let's let the community decide on the vibe first.

[valid gale]

Somewhat shocking you don’t recognize the elephant in the room

[slow cosmos]

@valid gale If the 'elephant' you mean is the 50-ton Bat-Chat hull, I get it—it's physically impossible in real life. But this is a fantasy hybrid concept. Or are you talking about the Sonar being too 'game-breaking' regardless of the speed? Enlighten me, what's the biggest deal-breaker for you?

[marsh grove]

The Elefant in the room

[slow cosmos]

Wait, I didn't add a Ferdinand/Elefant to the hybrid! Unless the B-100 is so heavy it's basically a Ferdinand in disguise? 🙂

Since the 'Elephant' has left the building (pun intended 🐘), I'll take all your feedback into account! I'll probably tweak the top speed to 50-55 km/h and maybe refine the weight to make it more 'realistic' for a hybrid. Thanks for the spicy discussion, guys! Really helped me flesh out the B-100 concept

[valid gale]

Guaranteed damage aside proximity spotting is already a thing and works within 50 meters
100 meters is unfair

[slow cosmos]

Fair point on the proximity spotting. I know the standard is 50m. But the 100m Sonar on the B-100 isn't 'passive'—it comes with a heavy reload penalty and reduced mobility as a trade-off. However, if 100m feels too broken for the meta, would 75m be a better 'sweet spot'? Still better than standard tanks, but not as 'unfair' as 100m. What do you think?"@valid gale

[slow cosmos]

@marsh grove sorry i didn't look you
Honestly, it’s a weird hybrid! I’d call it a 'Heavy-Light' or a 'Pocket Medium'. It has the hull of a Light, the weight/armor of a Heavy, but plays like a support Medium. Basically, a 'Thick' Scout that refuses to die easily! 😂 What do you think fits better?

[slow cosmos]

Ok i like to add a nerf for sticky bomb so is doesn't like sheridan missile
the enemy can 'shake it off' by moving at high speed or crashing into an object? That way there's a counter-play!

[slow cosmos]

Just a heads up, it's already night here in Indonesia (WIB). I'll be staying online for about 1 hours 3 minutes until 21:00 (9 PM) my time to answer your questions. After that, I’m heading to sleep for school tomorrow! 😴

[slow cosmos]

Sorry i got a news from school so
Gotta bounce guys, got a daily test in 2 days so I need to start grinding the books. Keep the feedback coming for the B-100, I’ll reply everything after school tomorrow! Pray for the best grades yeahhhhh see youuuu. 🫡✨

[dusk flame]

I hope Kanonenjagdpanzer gets better when it goes to T9

[dusk flame]

it's kinda sad atm

[little elm]

Nerf ac Atlas

[icy wadi]

no

[blissful cave]

What about it specifically do you think should be nerfed

Like whenever I suggest a tank should be buffed i always try to have a valid reason like Lansen C being worse at nearly everything compared to all tier 8 105mm single shot mediums

[snow spoke]

Defender Mk1

[blissful cave]

?

Oh I was asking what about the Atlas should be nerfed
But yeah defender Mk 1…turret armor ngl it needs a cupola or turret cheeks or something

[snow spoke]

Idk about atlas, it super slow is it?

I play like E5 so I gonna win the hulldown fight. Feel like it a good tank, but not need urgent nerf.

But that only from E5 perspectives, so take it with the grain of salt.

[valid gale]

The armor needs to be nerfed the AC tanks are the most infuriating thing ever

[blissful cave]

Ngl Taygete’s armor is really annoying

[valid gale]

The atlas has high dpm for both of its guns and penetration, the AC isn’t too effective but it’s genuine psychological warfare how annoying it is to be shot by it

[snow spoke]

Also, side armor was super strong.

[valid gale]

Protection wise, super high heat has trouble dealing with it, it’s covered in absurd angles making it boosted against Apcr, so AP is your best bet

But also the turret has unreasonable armor protection even frontally

[snow spoke]

You mean which tank

[valid gale]

I just said atlas

[snow spoke]

Because tier 8 of atlas lined also fitting your narrative of "protection wise" lol

[still harness]

Will the season tanks ever come back for us to try to grind. I started blitz way after the past season events

[fringe shell]

Yeah in crates, costs like 100$ for 1 upgrade, tanks have 0.01 chance of dropping

[patent prism]

Hi question in what scenarios and what specific tanks is combat stabilization helpful? I don’t notice much of a difference with the mechanic

[still harness]

I mean for free like have the events again

[blissful cave]

Yeah like Tiger maus I still have awful dispersion even when the stabilizer is green and it doesn’t seem like stabilization even helps at all or does anything

The one time they actually put it on a slow superheavy that would make such good use of it it doesn’t even do anything

[patent prism]

Would be useful if we could lock our speed to 15 somehow, another way is if it’s put on tanks that mostly travel at 15

[blissful cave]

But they love putting it on the medium heavies (E6 and Strv K)

[patent prism]

Yes I never understood this, also prog 65 you could argue reversing but I’m pretty sure they reverse faster than 15, they practically never use the mechanic

[blissful cave]

Pretty useless when they put it on the “medvy” tanks Strv K couldve gotten a much more useful ability

[blissful cave]

And I don’t have VK 90 so tigermaus is my experience with superheavy+stabilization

[blissful cave]

Ngl I don’t know what other ability it could even have

Adaptive concealment would be interesting
Knowing who spotted you
I know it’s supposed to be for more stealthy tanks like lights but just for knowing who spotted you maybe it could work on a mobile heavy

[blissful cave]

Because the other abilities are more specific and exclusive and you can’t just put them on anything, like assault shells or emergency track, or mainly just for light-ish tanks like tracer shells and adaptive concealment

[fringe shell]

If u have insane luck then yes

[snow spoke]

T49 with assault shell mechanic

[pure bronze]

50m with 784 alpha with heat

[snow spoke]

Juicy

[pure bronze]

T-54 mod1 needs a buff in terms of loading,maneuverability it quite lacks both of them

[snow spoke]

Lol

[pure bronze]

imagine the HE shells works with assault shells 👅

[snow spoke]

It doesn't? Idk

[pure bronze]

he shells arent applied with assault shells mechanic so

[snow spoke]

Oh i see, that make sense

[sharp warren]

Guys what positions should I go on the map for a 183?

[dusk flame]

Far away from other and a huge bush

[abstract pier]

That depends on the map, but it doesn't really matter since a light or medium tank at the opponent's base could spot you from that distance. The tank has been so heavily nerfed that if you're a new player, it's theoretically the best weapon, but in practice, it's the worst choice. It has no camouflage, so you always need cover. Buildings are essential because bushes won't work; it will easily spot you. The aiming time is terrible, especially since any movement will completely open up the area again. It's supposed to have the highest penetration in the game, but in the current meta, it doesn't penetrate very well. It loses a lot of damage over distance, which is ironic, and its projectile speed is awful. In conclusion, it's a tank to play either with building cover or as a shotgun behind your heavy tanks, looking for openings. It's been nerfed too much.

[blazing arch]

Garage

[blazing arch]

in my opinion this tank should not exist in the 1. place

[slow cosmos]

Hiii i just want too share a photo of b 100 Actuallyyy i made the photo with piscart heheee and i just wanted to share okay I want too study 😁
Cool right??

[ebon knot]

Nerf Anihilator please.

[keen shore]

It works best when you are driving back and forth at the ridge as your gun does not bloom as much since you do not accelerate beyond 15kmph doing so.

[wispy magnet]

which gun is best for the IS-6, the D-30 or the D-30A?

[violet timber]

The dpm gun

[heavy bone]

What is that vile creature

[keen shore]

Is M-IV-Yoh worth 8$?

[hidden crown]

Nah.

[heady estuary]

only thing worth buying in the game is the battle pass

[heady estuary]

just get is 3 and win games

[wispy magnet]

hell no

[heady estuary]

why not its free and the IS6 sucks and fightin teir 9

[faint escarp]

Guys is wz113gft good?

[wispy magnet]

is3 is uber mid bro

[heady estuary]

better than the is 6

[normal forge]

No

[dim shard]

Quite decent 👍

It combines great armour with decent enough mobility for the gun to be used in frontline as long as you have room to back off quickly from enemy view after each shot

[dim shard]

Because that wasn't the question. Both are extremely mid anyways and at least the IS-6 is a premium. You have reasons to play it unlike the IS-3

[faint ether]

Anyone able to confirm something for me. I just researched the T44 using free XP, can i sell the T44 before buying the T54 as i require credits? I have already researched the T54

[snow spoke]

Yes, if you already research T54

[slow cosmos]

Hii i back from school so tired btw that 'vile creature' is B-100! I made it with PicsArtt using my own screenshots from the game. It’s a BC 25 t hull with a T-100 LT turret. Glad you like ittt!💯💯
So who want a suggestion for this tank?
I'll wait!

[twin ruin]

How does one play t95e2?

[blissful cave]

You don’t…

[twin ruin]

Ill do it myself

[blissful cave]

I love this tank trust me, it’s one of my favorites irl but in game there really isn’t a way to play it well you just have to hope for the best gameplay it’s a pretty basic medium and I marked it which was absolutely hell but I hope you enjoy it tho :D

I wish WG would buff this tank it really needs it, they even left it out of the previous bad/old tier 8 buffs and in this update they did the same too, no PBR no buffs no consumables

[blissful cave]

For being an M48 Patton turret it really should have more turret armor but I’m not sure if that’ll help because of the cupola

More armor in general since it’s a T95 hull and M48 Patton turret yet it’s significantly worse in every way (I get it’s tier 8 and their pure forms are tier 10 but maybe it could be a more armored medium)

[keen shore]

Do you think certain tier 8 premiums should have favorable matchmaking (7-8 only) like Pz. B2 does?

[dim shard]

1. why me lol
2. I do not know but I don't think so. There are a lot of tier 8 premiums and not all of them are unique nor attractive. Typically I don't think there's much reasons to use the T95E2, 59-Patton, T-44-100, FCM 50T etc and I don't believe there's really good ways of making them unique, but pref MM is still an insanely overpowered tool almost no matter the tank. If a tank stays balanced when having pref, the tank has a huge problem beyond the MM.
   Talking about MM, one solution to fix the "need" of preferential mm for some tanks would be to stop the 5 top tier 2 low tier matchups from happening. I'm pretty sure reforged stopped caring about medals anyways so there's no reason that is still a thing, and the fact that it can theoretically happen to any tank makes them dreadful to hit battle with. Even the 4 top tier 3 low tier matchup feels opressing for most tech trees or weak premiums, what can a T26E4 do in such punishing uptiers?

[keen shore]

Well, you were discussing IS-6, and it alongside T95E2, T26E4 and T-44-100 are prime offenders for pref matchmaking.

[dim shard]

by offenders you mean candidates?

[sand warren]

oops

[rapid knoll]

It fits 1 person, has a 152mm BL10 from the isu152, has a 2 cylinder from a sport bike, 20mm of armor, goes 35 kph, has 1 shell between the drivers legs, and you sit on the engine with the exhaust right behind it, and you can look through the barrel, after the one shell has been fired the commander can deploy the bombs on board and kill a tank. The height is 1.8m

[vapid bison]

hi everyone. some of my veichles are gone from my garage. is anyone having problem with that too?

[stone sonnet]

I’ve got a ton of shards that are in my storage right now. I have no idea how long they will last in my storage. They are for 7 different types of tanks

[vapid bison]

literally i was playing the felice 2 hours ago and now disappeared

[dusk flame]

I think they overdid Tornvagn

[blissful cave]

Yes

Stuff like T95E2 and Super Pershing I feel like can’t handle tier 9

[stone sonnet]

I’m going to need help getting those tanks. The shards I need are for the following tanks: T26E3, the Explorer, SU-130PM, LT-432, Frosty, Kunze Panzer, and Tiger Frontline. These are the tank shards I’ve got no idea when will the app give out to players.

[stone sonnet]

Does anyone know if there’s a solution to this and if silver can be used to buy shards to get those tanks?

[tender cradle]

T49 is so broken

[scarlet agate]

Am I correct that with the new tornvagn you gain DPM when all shells dumped?

[dusk flame]

BZ-176 any good?

[normal forge]

Nope

[nocturne mirage]

not sure what tanks these are, they are described as the names: STZ-25, STZ-35 AND STZ-36.....possibly new tech tree tanks for blitz? any way to verify with a mod? this document was issues in 1939

this document describes the termination of these tank prototypes, which in the doc are still prototypes, these tanks if tech tree will be early tech tree..still interesting to know what they were, nevermind found them XD

[normal forge]

Maybe stop shooting tracks with HEAT

[nocturne mirage]

STZ-25

[dim shard]

I cannot be sure of the 35 and 36 but the STZ-25 was an attempt to modernise the T-26 by using a lot of similar components but better performances. Since the project did not sufficiently advance, it stopped as soon WWII started

[nocturne mirage]

SZT-35 AND 36 was basically further improvements on what appears to be T-26

[dim shard]

Unfortunately it probably wont appear in Blitz. Since it is the derivative of a tier 1, the STZ-25 would at best be tier 2. You cannot do anything with that either tech tree or premium

[nocturne mirage]

maybe a collector?

oh ye collectors going bye bye

[dim shard]

for what? All the existing tier 2-3 collectors are collectors because the tanks used to exist and it would be a shame to delete them. Making new ones would simply be counterproductive

*exist as in be part of the tree

[nocturne mirage]

alrighty

[hard saddle]

There are a few collector tanks that were once premium tanks.

[wraith depot]

Do u have a filter active?

[vapid bison]

nope

[prisma portal]

Does anyone knows what did Wg do to the t28?

It's so ugly. Like, wasnt it supposed to be like the t95, but without the aditional tracks?

[night citrus]

T95 doesn't have the big fat part in the front

[prisma portal]

Wdym?

it indeed does have the fat part in the front

[night citrus]

look at the old T28

[prisma portal]

oh, now i see what u mean

was lost at first haha

[snow spoke]

Atleast T28 update was more resemble to that of T95 now (if you ignore rectangular mantlet)

[prisma portal]

yeah

[languid leaf]

So why T28 has a rectangular mantlet? It should be the same vehicle as T95

[snow spoke]

No?, it shouldn't, it is the variety factor.

[languid leaf]

@snow spoke I mean historically. But obviously wot is not based on history

[snow spoke]

Yeah, that is your answer

[languid leaf]

I still hope that Wargaming can respect some details like this regarding to non-fictional vehicles

[snow spoke]

That's a fair call.

[robust osprey]

What WoT pc vehicle would you like to come to blitz next? mine is this one

[icy wadi]

historically accurate t28 is literally t95 without the additional pair of tracks

[dusk flame]

Wz122 TM like a Chinese Chimera?