vehicles-discussion

[hearty horizon]

T10s to grind for

[wheat cloud]

I love the PGT65 i think the tank is fantastic, however it really is not meta nor that good. Same to a lesser extent with T62A

[hearty horizon]

Thx

[wheat cloud]

The STB is actually strong but very has a very lukewarm gameplay

[thorny smelt]

E 50M if you want armor

[misty wing]

all of them are fun in a way tbh

[nocturne smelt]

Frontline I would say E50M or Patton or WZ 121
Brawling I would say STB 1 or Patton or E50 M
Support or passive aggressive definitely Tvp( don’t yolo without reason. Your team needs good gun support and u can’t go alone without dying after using your clip.)or Leo1( cus you are your teams main scout for spotting with the speed and they can use your powerhouse gun.also assuming no LT)
All rounder Russian MTs( happy to hear your opinion on this )

Forgot about Progetto. Front line or passive agressive/support

[shrewd turret]

roblox graphics

[zinc finch]

i drink u everyday

[wheat cloud]

Brawling stb ? 🤨

The tip of the line falls off sadly but overall it is a very enjoyable one

[gray wraith]

they don't get a good gun till very late and are an absolute pain to play at t7/8

[undone star]

The t7-8 are pretty fun to play actually, you just gotta cherrypick opponents

[gray wraith]

i'm used to playing tds so when i see a tank that's entirely red im kinda mad

[wheat cloud]

Tier 7 and 8 are best in line

[gray wraith]

t7 has 150 pen

[undone star]

Its still better than some mediums like comet pen so whats ur point

[wheat cloud]

Wait 150 is... like not bad innit

[gray wraith]

i'm just not used to having such a low pen

[undone star]

That doesnt mean both tanks are a pain though

[wheat cloud]

well then do not present your experience as a general fact

[fossil plinth]

hey folks, any tips for a tank i should get that has good armor & gun?

[zinc finch]

emil line

yo how do you know where to move esp in slow tanks. feels like a coin toss really

[plucky summit]

@misty sinew @wet harbor It is a T1 Cunningham, as the Leichtrakktor doesn’t have an elevated hull to house the turret

[safe cedar]

Tier 7 is actually the high point of the line.

[hollow trail]

I just bought it

[plucky summit]

Looks quite clear, yes

[safe cedar]

Reject golding crew.
Accept buying legendary camo

[plucky summit]

Could have done both 😳

[safe cedar]

I would probably be over-estimating blitz players
buying ranks over equipment

[zinc finch]

ranks are cool just dont buy stattrackers

[last jacinth]

Fastest tier X tank?

[zinc finch]

leopard 1 maybe? at least its fast for its size

[fast compass]

140 has the best acceleration from a quick look I took on tank-compare. And t100lt has the highest top speed at 68

[wet harbor]

Yes hull likes as T1 but the turrent is directly Leichtrakktor, T1 turrent has little wedge on top while Leichtrakktor doesn’t have

We can call it a Leichtrakktor whit a T1 hull

[solid gate]

And the camo

[misty sinew]

What are u talking about?

Oh about the art thingy

Yeah I knew it from the hull being too dull and the front part being too straight and not like a triangle

[long hearth]

Is it true that tiger p is actually way worse than tiger 1? And why

[balmy compass]

not as fast and doesn't have as strong of an armor profile as Tiger I, they both use the same gun so there is no advantage there

[cursive wolf]

Sometimes I wish we could permanently enrich tier X tanks 😭

[lilac mica]

• 183 players

[cursive wolf]

I just want to give my 215b and 4005 some love….

[kind flicker]

You can

[violet timber]

You can’t

[cursive wolf]

Temporarily though not permanently

[kind flicker]

Wait wha, I always thought it was 14 days and permanently

[balmy compass]

only tier VIII and below

[cursive wolf]

That’s for tier 8 and below

[unreal fjord]

I would be fine with it if there are no tier 10 premium tanks but since there are it forces you to buy them instead of farming credits in you favortie tier 10.

[cursive wolf]

Go look at tier 7 and eight lol so many premiums

[unreal fjord]

Yeah they get thrown around for free lol

[cursive wolf]

Eh not really

[balmy compass]

Well one of those prems doesn’t have an increased credit coeff

[wheat cloud]

Kinda, the rate of 1 t7/month has been steady

S. Hellcat, T26, LIS have been the most recent. My feeble brain will not register more than 3 items

[balmy compass]

T42 next month!
Woo 🎉

[wheat cloud]

What t42?

[unreal fjord]

Anyone else find it wierd that wz-111 14 has a tier 10 gun with 460 alpha but the wz 113 has only 420? Well i guess +1000 dpm makes up for it

[lyric copper]

check the caliber

[onyx matrix]

Has 60tp armor ever been nerfed since 60tp arrived?

[unreal fjord]

Yeah makes sense

[unreal fjord]

Not that i know about it.

[lyric copper]

it hasnt @unreal fjord

[plucky summit]

Sure, but I’m guessing it’s just them being unable to make the cap of T1’s turret work with Legos, so it just doesn’t appear like the turret

[obsidian egret]

Can we have Obj 268 version 5 since we had V4 and regular 268

[plucky summit]

Sure thing!

I call it the T110E4

[torn vine]

You've got the upcoming 114 SP

[obsidian egret]

They make it into heavy. Idk why like it’s supposed to be a TD, not a heavy.

But one thing I know is that I will test that tank

[torn vine]

We are still unsure if that's true though, plus they might make V5 a heavy too

[obsidian egret]

Hope not

[real trellis]

I mean to be fair it's kinda easy to kill. Ammo Rack is a problem for it. I'm grinding it rn to see if it's good. But I'm still on the 40 tp. Also it has a really long reload so I don't really see it as a huge problem. But eh that's just what I think lol

[solid gate]

Yes 60 TP is only Not broken because of this Ammorack it’s detonated 2 out 10 rounds bruh

[solid gate]

What's the opinion on the Titan H-Nd?

[ancient iron]

alright... M41D, and tech Tree M41 with top single shot gun.... assuming all else equal, do y'all pref the APCR pramo for the D or the HEAT for the Tech Tree tank?

[ancient iron]

also... the Jagdtiger 8,8 and snowstorm jgTig 8,8 could do with a slight pen buff... bring it in line with the Skorpion G, Ferdi, 12,8 cm armed Borsig, and JPanther II... (currently it's 235/285 for standard/prem, while the others are all 246/311)

I will say I'd even take a light nerf to rate of fire to get that since it is a bit of a DPM monster (3313 even if you run CS over rammer)

[misty wing]

no lol, they already have higher pen and alpha than the regular Tiger II which has essentially the same gun.

[frosty root]

guess which tank im using👀

[supple quartz]

Is it an auto loader?

[frosty root]

no

[frail dagger]

Is it a heavy?

[supple quartz]

what nation is it?

[ancient iron]

it also has the worst pen of any of the t8 german TDs by a pretty wide margin.... it's also the 2nd slowest (beaten only by the ferdi), has the worst terrain resistances, worst concealment, and is the largest of them... it CANNOT flank and as a 2nd line gun can only really function in tier 8 games... you get into a tier 9 and gotta pray the top tiers are meds or if they are heavies you better hope they're things like the mäuschen, where you can actually hit the Cupola/damage through the lower plate... if it's a 45.02B, an E75, a Kpz 70.... it becomes exceedingly unlikely to damage them frontally even loading the prammo

[frosty root]

no

[frosty root]

yes no questions only

[supple quartz]

T22 medium?

[frosty root]

no

[ancient iron]

update: the JagdTiger 8,8 and snowstorm (they're statistically identical) is sort of 4th worst for pen values... the only ones weaker are the AT-15, Turt Mk I, and the SMV CC-64.
I say sort of because 3 tanks have guns that have better standard pen, but vastly worst prem pen... however their prammo trades pen for damage... (the Charioteer and GSOR with their HESH, and the ISU-130 whose ammo works sort of like the SU-100Y's)

[frail dagger]

Medium?

[frosty root]

no

[frail dagger]

tank destroyer?

[frosty root]

yes

[frail dagger]

Is it a casemate?

[frosty root]

yes

[frail dagger]

Does it weigh more then 20 tonnes?

[frosty root]

yes

[supple quartz]

ISU152?

[frosty root]

no

[frail dagger]

Caliber over 150?

[ancient iron]

does it weigh less than 50 tonnes, fully equipped?

[supple quartz]

Object 268?

[supple quartz]

Or Ho-ri?

[frosty root]

yes

[supple quartz]

nice I got it right

[frosty root]

hori t2'

[misty wing]

and those tanks you listed are the Jag's direct competition, not the other Germans.

[ancient iron]

so buff em all to have some semblance of a chance in a t9 game. Nerf their DPM a bit to compensate. (semovente CC-64 doesn't TECHNICALLY need a dpm nerf, but nerf it anyway since it's got much better armor than the others.)

so... I am grinding ALL tech trees.... but most are at tier 6 or 7... are there any tanks from tiers 7-9 that would be worth skipping?

admission: already considering skipping the Chi-Ri because it's practically a heavy tank with no armor and only mid mobility... the autoloader gun feels.... okay???

[thorny smelt]

I wanna skip the E50 tbh

[misty wing]

Chi-Ri is decent for a tier 7 med tbh

[ancient iron]

Tbh the thing that has prevented me from doing so is I think the last time I played it was like... August... So it might be better these days...

[zinc finch]

is cc64 tier 8? its stock grind is super painful idk why it needed a nerf. its hard breaking 1k dmg with 75% crew and stock gun

[zinc finch]

gsor 1008 on sale for 12k something gold, worth it?

[thorny smelt]

Skip for now

[zinc finch]

yeah looks like a sluggish toxic charioteer...but together with the taliban ig its rarely on sale seperately

[thorny smelt]

You mean Caliban?

[violet timber]

It needs a nerf because it’s disgustingly strong when maxed

[ancient iron]

all the upper tier italian tds are...

anywho... is there a guide to which provisions to use on each tank?

[violet timber]

Mino is strong but the CC Mk. 1 is kinda bad

[ancient iron]

it still has the same disgustingly good frontal armor...

[violet timber]

Eh, not really, it’s armor falls apart pretty quick, it’s mobility sucks, and the gun is bad

[misty wing]

it doesn't lol

[wheat cloud]

I second this. They both will get very much stronger and feel better to play whence the loader change will take place in 10.0

[ancient iron]

it has a weak-ish lower plate... but hull-down has 0 weakpoints to exploit... and with careful angling is going to bounce most tier 9s and all tier 8s... (and frontally is immune to ALL tier 8 lights.... though tbf if a light tank is taking a turreted assault gun frontally said light tank driver deserves to lose.)

[warm stream]

Got this from the draw. Is it any good?

Surprisingly only took three draws too.

[stray lintel]

For how much can you sell the tank?
Send a SS please :D!

[violet timber]

2.5k gold

[warm stream]

Yeah, 2.5k gold and only around 2k silver, funnily enough.

[misty wing]

It's pretty average

[ancient iron]

I've done my best to get the Chi-Ri set up... I just don't see it... I'm sure it can be good in like... a wolf-pack set up, but you REALLY NEED the MM to work with you for that... the reload is pretty meh once the clip is empty, and it's not fast enough to fall back once it has to reload... and honestly 160 avg damage per shot on a tier 7 medium feels a little bad...

[misty wing]

160 is pretty normal for a tier 7 medium, and it makes up for most of its shortcomings by having 1 second intra clip

It also doesn't suffer much with regards to DPM, despite being a clipper

[ancient iron]

but it unloads its clip and is then useless for almost 9 seconds... which feelsbadman.... and also the size and only okay mobility kinda limits its ability more than I'd like...

[misty wing]

I'd rather play it than T-43/T-34-85 Rudy, T20, VK 30.02 D, Panther/M10, and Comet, which are basically all of the older meds save for the Panther

[misty wing]

you think 9 seconds is a lot? have you played a high tier autoloader, or something like the Minotauro which takes 20 seconds just to load the first shell?

Its gun also compares favorably to the M4/FL10, which is the only other clipper med at tier 7, albeit an autoreloader

[ancient iron]

idk... I think the comet is much better thanks to the mobility, strong-ish turret, respectable gun depression and nearly 2850 dpm...
also... it's great as a reload... if it can get to cover.... and that limits it to ONLY playing with team support...

[frail dagger]

I run enhanced armour on mino
#stayToxic 😎

[violet timber]

It doesn’t do much

Everyone loads up prammo anyway

[frail dagger]

oh i know, but an extra mm when hull down with angleing can be 10-20mm or such, and against the russian 105 and 130 with their dispersion is just enough to save myself from one or two Prammo shots, and thats all that matters

[misty wing]

sounds like you don't like clippers in general, because most of your complaints about Chi-Ri apply to every autoloader

[misty wing]

Like, look at the T57 heavy vs Chieftain Mk 6
It's got:

• worse mobility
• worse turret armor
• worse gun depression
• worse DPM
  in other words, the same comparison you made between Chi-Ri and Comet.

Now ask people here which one they think is the better tank

[ancient iron]

yeah... maybe.... I admit I am much more interested in single fire meds, esp ones that can work a hill well...
hell I VASTLY prefer my single fire Bulldog over the autoloading bulldog

(side note: I HAVE the Mk 6... ik it's okay but not amazing)

perhaps I need to watch some clipper replays to learn some tactics for improving upon my play in them since.... I am a tank collector.... I intend to get all tier 10s...

[frail dagger]

T57, man bonking some poor unsuspecting sod in a IS-7 from behind never gets old, crisp 1200 damage or such, beautiful, just, beautiful.

And it has better armour too, and great mobility, terrible comparison imho, theres no comparison between the two types, even the closet tupe, say, AMX m4 54 and amx 50B are still SO different, there are different playstyle, like TDS, more specialised and require more skill, and a huge chunk of patience and map awareness, but like the kran for me, works wonders if ya know what your doing

[ancient iron]

everything on the stats page for the mk 6 looks great on paper... it just doesn't feel as good as you'd hope in battle....

[misty wing]

Read the context to see why I'm comparing them?

[fossil plinth]

is the is-4 worth it?

[frail dagger]

Ah that wasnt there when i started typing, my apologies chief

[sharp storm]

What is the price of the legendary camo for GSOR?

[frail dagger]

Is-4 is a hugely meta tank rn, but no, not until your decent, its line kinda sucks

Il currently saving up for the next Meta line - 300,000 free xp ready to go, i can make it to T9

[ancient iron]

ooh... since they'd be a good comparison... the two (proper) clipper heavies. the 50b and the T57 Heavy..... which one y'all picking?

[misty wing]

T57 is better, 50b is more fun

[frail dagger]

T57 for me, but i dont have 50B, and personally its FAR easier to get rid of the amx in what i main (TDS), just point, click, 1000+ HE dmg to its side

[ancient iron]

admittedly... when I take my tier 10s out... it's rare I see the 50B but that make be weird mm luck

[frosty root]

amx auto loader is at 28 seconds i think? HASHAHAHAHAH

[misty wing]

It's like 23

[frosty root]

im grind the chiri now and here are my thoughts:
yes the speed is not great but it has great front armor. more front armor than some heavy tanks.
-the reaload is only at 12-14 seconds, which is alright/average since it's gun has great penetration and nice damage.

[ancient iron]

85 mm of FLAT frontal armor.... it's bad.... it's very bad. can't REALLY angle... it has cheeks like the Porsche tiger/ferdi.... also the pen is pretty middle of the road for a t7 medium....

[frosty root]

oh, my bad, ui meant to say ho ri

well, my thoughts on the chiri is , it doesnt have the greatest armor, but it has decent reload, and on a full clip of shots, it can deal around 450 damage.

and also, it can penetrate the tiger's frontatl armor since the tiger is one of the menace around their tier

[safe cedar]

T57 honestly should be reverted to it's pre-9.1 state.
(FYI m4 and amx 50 are same)

[misty wing]

I liked the pre-9.1 T57 so much more, and it was also less annoying to deal with

[ancient iron]

true... though the Panther has better pen, better armor, equal damage, admittedly less DPM overall and can also move slightly quicker... admittedly though it takes, assuming being pre-loaded for the encounter aprox 38 seconds of blazing away for the panther to kill a tiger, whereas the Chi-Ri takes something like 18? which is honestly a point I will concede to the Chi-Ri... if you have the right team support it might not be a monster in dpm but it can defs put the hurt on...

[wise moth]

9s is faster than a lot of single shooters for what it's worth

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of reasons to dislike the Chi Ri (the huge profile, lack of armor, and atrocious pen), but the autoloader isn't one of them

[undone star]

Its a fun autoloader in the end of the day anyway, but most people dont know that

[ancient iron]

legit... if it's got enough pen to go through a tiger's front then so does the Comet, and the Comet has better DPM. now amusingly... the calcs actually indicate that damage rolls will determine whether the Chi-Ri or the Comet would kill a tiger first... if all rolls were the avg of 160 it would take roughly 10 shots to kill a tiger.... meaning the 9s reload hampers the chi-ri enough it ends up being slower, but if it high rolls even a couple times the Chi-Ri's intraclip being 1s cinches it....

after trying my comet out... it mightn't have quite enough pen with standard ammo... but it does with prem....

could run cs on the comet to help but that defs swings the math in the chi-ri's favor....

[weak blade]

Guys to share money with people in this game

?

[misty wing]

No

[cold ore]

Any thoughts on the gsor 1008? Its in the store for 10k atm..worth it?

I really enjoy derpy tanks, do pretty ok and enjoy paper tanks like Skorpion g, steyr wt and really like auto loaders.

[wheat cloud]

I would take the 12.500 golds if I could afford it, the equipments costs like 2.5M credits, the skin is derpy and camp, the crates are just free. I think the tank is hard to play but really strong, its really unique (don't compare it to BC and T77 lmao) and stylish. If that's your jam it sounds like youre the player for it. However you still might regret it

All in all this is still a very expensive offer for a newer tank though

just dont fire on the move

[supple quartz]

have tier 10 tvp50 nerfed before?

[cold ore]

Yeah it's pricey, was also waiting for the su 130pm, then this popped up..thanks for the feedback

[wheat cloud]

I would take SU over GSOR, it's easier to play and probably stronger. Though not as unique, it's often way cheaper

GSOR is an expensive treat, buy only if you really want it, otherwise wait for snap offers in key holidays like auctions

[lyric copper]

you forget that the Chi-Ri’s burst is more applicable in modern Blitz compared to the Comet’s sustained DPM

[ancient iron]

fair... kinda... but also the low armor and gigantamax size hinders it.... I get armor isn't everything.... but having practically none and it being almost completely flat, and being the size of an AMX M4 45... it's rough... it is a tank that lives and dies on your team surviving more than anything else in its tier... I'll say though the burst does mix REALLY well with the 10 degrees of gun depression....

[lyric copper]

then use said gundep to hide the hull

[severe orchid]

Yo guys, M4/FL10 good tank for aggressive playstyle or passive?

[lyric copper]

it’s an autoreloader so it does both

[ancient iron]

also for what it's worth.... I defs would rather the 57mm on the gravedigger in a battle... better intra-clip and only slightly worse full reload, and honestly not THAT much worse mobility.... with more functional armor layout.... the 5 degs of depression hurts a lil but like... it's no worse than most of the tech tree tanks for china...

[balmy compass]

Someone tell me, what are the downsides to the GSOR

[lyric copper]

long clip reload

no spall liner

[balmy compass]

14 seconds is long?
Where does it get HE’d

[undone star]

I think that sides can get he'd other than obviously rear but didnt try to hesh it yet

[balmy compass]

It has skirts

[static copper]

Buff Maus and ferdinand armor

[thorny smelt]

No

[twin solstice]

Add the option to buy the legendary Camo on Vindicator (Imperial Fist & Dark Angels)

[zinc finch]

dont lol. 3.6s reload in the comet is crazy as it is about the same as many autoloaders so you and peek twice

a lot of t7 meds have low pen anyway

[ancient iron]

honestly... the patch notes make me rather excited to get into most the tanks... I only skimmed the info on the french heavies but the stuff I did actually read there seems... a little harsh

[balmy compass]

More reverse speed and better intra will be nice

[zinc finch]

cant believe they buff comet...the thing is already strong anyway...turret can bounce rhms n stuff

[violet timber]

It's really not strong

[zinc finch]

more reverse for fr*nch heavies? i thought its already a feature of the swedes

[zinc finch]

which stats you find it not strong

[balmy compass]

50b had 12 reverse, now it’s getting more so it will be more comfortable to play

[violet timber]

The armor is terrible, meaning it struggles to actually use the dpm. Add on the terrible pen and you get a tank that is kind of useless

[zinc finch]

i dont think any t7 meds have good pen plus the turret is good what u mean...just move around

if you find the comet bad you wont like the next ones

[violet timber]

No tier 7 med has good pen, but some have actually good turret armor

[balmy compass]

I thought Panther I had good pen

[violet timber]

Yeah my bad, I forgot

[ancient iron]

lot of durability nerfs in the french lines....
also I think the comet is now gonna be one of the best ridge peakers tier for tier

also... comparatively the Panther has amazing pen.... and so it should with a gun the length of the great wall of china

[zinc finch]

oh yeah right i didnt grind panther but i have chiri and leo

[violet timber]

I liked every tank that came after the comet, it's just that the comet sucks

[ancient iron]

Chi-ri could do with a slight mobility buff tbh

[zinc finch]

well it worked for me, i hated it after saw how amazing firefly is but cent 1 is even worse

[violet timber]

The comet's issue is it's complete lack of ability to properly use it's dpm

[balmy compass]

Less HP, good for balance because having a massive med with massive HP pool is slightly toxic
But they get maneuverability buffs and slight gun buffs

[zinc finch]

same as chiri and leo really yet they somehow works

[violet timber]

Firefly is bad as well lol

[ancient iron]

reload buffs for the cent 1 and 7/1 are gonna feel REALLY good

[zinc finch]

play it like a td lmao

[violet timber]

Chi-Ri gets a clip so it doesn't have to have sustained fire on an enemy, leo gets alpha

[violet timber]

It's not even good as a td. It's just a bad tank.

[zinc finch]

you cant pen tiger 1 front at 90 deg with leo. your high alpha 8.5s reload is only going to club tier 7s below just like leo pt a

[balmy compass]

Well Tiger I is busted

[zinc finch]

it also have bad gun handling so no snipe and no peekaboo

[violet timber]

Comet has the exact same issue, but worse. It has less pen and less alpha and less survivability.

[zinc finch]

play it like cromwell lol its just you

[violet timber]

I know how to play it lmao, that doesn't change the fact that it's bad

[ancient iron]

tbh my big issue when people go "but the DPM tho" is when they use it for an argument in favor of a slow lumbering machine like the Jagdtig 8,8... yeah having almost 3600 dpm seems nice... but when you're slow af it's a nightmare to really put that dpm to use...
the Cromwells and Comet don't have that issue... if you luck out and get a game where you got a lot of lights and meds it is SOOOOO fun to wolfpack with it....

[lyric copper]

^ i can tell you now that ratus is defo highly competent

[zinc finch]

then i must be a god at comet lmaooo its just you. also leo cant flank it relies on troll armor like italian tanks but its not reliable

[violet timber]

Leo can definitely flank lol, it has the same effective p/w as a comet just less top speed

Back when I played the Comet I managed 57% wr and 1.2k dpg, and that was back in 2021. It certainly hasn't gotten any better since then

[zinc finch]

mine is 62% with 1677 dmg but i hate matching with t8 heavies so i sold it

with leo its only 1125 but way higher xp. thing is really fun dunking 300 to a tier 6

i dont have chiri yet on my na account but high ping means my mouse input is slower so i might not be able to take advantage of the 1s intraclip

[ancient iron]

dayum the Rhm is a freaking ninja td....
nailed me with an HE shell in my Skorp G, my counter HE shot was snapped off and dipped doing only like 260 damage, and before I could even do anything else a sneaky T54 lightweight got me from behind... (I had thought one of my heavies was watching for that... but he ran into the building like within 2 seconds of spotting the damned thing)

[maiden geode]

at line kinda op

[lyric copper]

it isnt

[maiden geode]

im pretty good with it
and what is ur favorite line

[lyric copper]

you are literally playing against bots

[zinc finch]

how you hide that cupola teach me

[maiden geode]

u dont hide

you just show ur front

[zinc finch]

yeah right.

[lyric copper]

anyone that isnt a bot will proceed to pen you in the cupola

[maiden geode]

oh

move forward and backward PLUS use ur gun depression at hills

[zinc finch]

your guide sucks

[maiden geode]

it works tho

[long hearth]

So she didn't have any advantage?

[static copper]

Buff Caliban or rework it

[solid gate]

Does the apcr in the sheridan cost currency

[lyric copper]

no

[static copper]

Wg PLEASE🙏 give this to the Caliban

[balmy compass]

the Tiger I is superior

[balmy compass]

wait until 10.0 so it gets buffed

armor and HP buffs
speed buffs too

[ancient iron]

Obj 704 has a weird rear plate....
I bounced a shot off it
(then the soviet tracks did what soviet tracks do for my 2nd shot)

any idea why every soviet vehicle has that? like even the SU-85B with its tiny tracks somehow manages it...

[balmy compass]

most tanks based off of the IS series chassis have the funky spaced armor which stretches the length of the hull
most soviet tanks may also have a sloped underside behind the tracks, I am unsure if the SU-85b has it

[lyric copper]

it doesnt

[balmy compass]

blame it on Soviet bias then

[lyric copper]

its just that soviet tracks genuinely are made of some unusual stuff

[balmy compass]

Soviet bias

[pastel idol]

Has there been any news regarding a tier X TD that is a true glass cannon? Something that actually has good medium like mobility. There isn't a tank like it and I think it would be fun to have a fast, mobile TD. All the TDs right now have heavy tank mobility or slow, sluggish medium mobility. A suggestion would be the the Japanese Type 60 SP. It is a real tank, you can look it up

[balmy compass]

Grille:

[ocean goblet]

is the chimera worth 10k gold or is it better to take emil 1951 ?

[pastel idol]

Sorry, are you saying that the grille is the answer to my question? I don't think it is. I said a tank that has good mobility, the grille doesn't have good mobility, nor can it attempt any sort of mobility tactics. The grille is good in straight line speed, sure, but it has horrible hull traverse. It also is a big squishy tank, which restricts it's ability to move around the map even more

[balmy compass]

it's as close as you will get to a mobile glass cannon

[ocean goblet]

maybe the leopard 1 can work as a glass canon, but it's a medium tank

[balmy compass]

the Grille also isn't very big

[pastel idol]

Its too big to use a lot of cover effectively because of it's tall turret, is what I meant.

@ocean goblet Yeah the Leo 1 is a good glass cannon, but I was just thinking that none of the tier X TDs fit the role of say, an E25. A mobile sniper that can keep up with and support mediums. The grille somewhat fits the role, but is restricted due to it's tall profile and bad traverse

[balmy compass]

the turret itself is small, if you keep a decent distance and hide your hull, you have a decent chance to cause others to miss if you move around

[ocean goblet]

and what about FV4005 ?
and the foch 155 is a mobile td but it have some armor, so it's not a glass canon td

But i'm agree with you the T10 lack of tank like SU 130 pm, amx cdc 105 or charioteer

[fast compass]

They have watered down assault tds at tier 10 like the 263 and Foch. Wouldn't grille be pretty close to 130pm. Rear semi turreted paper TD with a decent alpha

[pastel idol]

Eh, the 4005 has ok mobility but it has a massive weak spot, the barn sized turret lol. You're right about the foch. It would be the closest to what I'm talking about I think, besides the fact that it is geared more towards being a Frontline TD.

[pastel idol]

Yeah the watered down assault TDs are on the right track of what I'm talking about, but I was thinking more mobility, sniping, camo, and less aggressive stats. The Grille is more or less an SU 130PM, but it doesn't fill the role of an E25, Kanonjagdpanzer, charioteer, or hellcat.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is a TD mixed with a medium/light. The Leo 1 is a good example, but it is more medium/light than TD. I want more TD than medium/light. Currently there are no tier X TDs that fit the role

[fast compass]

Fair enough can't really deny that

[pastel idol]

I also think it would really help push back against the heavy armour meta as well. Most meds and lights aren't able to compete against heavy (even heaviums) or assault TDs when fighting for a key position.

A small mobile glass cannon TD would provide mediums with enough penetration to prevent armoured enemies from recklessly pushing them, while also being able to keep up and use medium tank cover/bushes effectively. Obvious drawbacks would be that the tank is very vulnerable by itself. Low HP, armour, view range.

[misty wing]

Post war, Soviet tanks had full steel tracks whereas most western designs had rubber coated ones
It's why many of them have a larger turning radius

[safe cedar]

They have longer Turning radii, due to their gearbox/transmission which is of an older type, but with the ability to select multiple turning radii.

[gray wraith]

you get focused when playing preems

[unreal fjord]

To add to that, i want a td similar to the hellcat on tier 10 which is fast and has a fully rotatable turret.

[balmy compass]

Tbh the Leopard 1 does exist

[pastel idol]

Exactly what I would like. Make the turret traverse very slow, but give it good hull traverse and engine power.

@balmy compass Yes, but that is still a medium at the end of the day. It is also rather large, but that's a small problem. The point of a mobile glass cannon TD is to be able to take care of heavily armoured enemies in positions that usually only a medium/light could get to

[spare nest]

Play the T-62 or the OBJ

[pastel idol]

Again, those are not glass cannon TDs. They have low pen and are not meant for a support role, nor can they deal with armoured targets.

[spare nest]

True but if you support the TD with them they are extremely good

But you want something more like the Gille 15 tech tree

[balmy compass]

Well, in the end, a high alpha slapping TD with very good mobility would be inherently toxic as that TD could run anywhere and slap anyone
Much like the Sheridan but with more alpha and pen

[spare nest]

Sheridan it does a lot more damage

[balmy compass]

What

[spare nest]

A Sheridan that dose a lot more damage then it all ready doses

[pastel idol]

Yeah i wouldn't want it to have high alpha. 400 dmg would probably be good, and then give it below avg dpm with normal TD pen. I don't think that would be toxic

[real bear]

@lyric oriole

[fleet berry]

Nienlives#8483 was muted.

[long hearth]

Is the vk100.01 p good? Or it's just like maus?, and how about the vk45.02 one

[real bear]

Its ok, just make sure to hide the cupola and the lower mid plate and you'll be good, it's a very specific play style.

[long hearth]

Both tanks play the same?

Which one is better?

[kind flicker]

if you want something like a t8 maus, vk168 is your option
vk100 is smaller and kinda easier to play, same gun tho

[long hearth]

Does vk100. 01 gameplay similar to tiger 2?

[kind flicker]

ehh kinda, a bit harder to play but id say so

[long hearth]

How about the vk45.02 one?

[kind flicker]

id say its a clone of tiger, way less side armour tho

[zinc finch]

tiger 2 has great front but weak sides, for turret its weak overall stock and weak sides for max, 100 has small lower plate and cupola, the sides are stronger but fully aimed shots will go thru, but it has higher alpha and long reload time...think of vk as a special kind of superheavy while tiger 2 is more streamlined

[long hearth]

So it's a worse tiger 2?

[quartz gate]

Kv 3 or IS?

[long hearth]

Sho should I pick vk100.01p or vk45.02p?

[quartz gate]

nice art

[long hearth]

Ngl it's a good drawing

[quartz marlin]

THX ☺️🥰

[quartz gate]

can anyone answer?

[quartz marlin]

IS 100%

[long hearth]

I never used the KV3, but the IS is quite speedy and have great alpha

[quartz gate]

IS it is

[quartz marlin]

Go the IS route it’s very good you’ll enjoy it and IS 3 Is very good!!

[quartz gate]

alright

[quartz marlin]

Friend me on blitz / name iS SuddenDestruction

[long hearth]

The only things that sometimes bothers me with IS3 is that the gun accuracy, or that's just my skill issue

[quartz gate]

but im having problems with credits rn

[quartz marlin]

It’s the gun but if you wait an extra second or two it works

[zinc finch]

its for close range lol

[long hearth]

Have any boosters?

[quartz gate]

trying to buy tiger II rn

[long hearth]

Fr I have to facehugging tanks every time

[quartz gate]

still pretty slow

[quartz marlin]

Guys friend me on blitz I’ll play with you I’m serious… I’m going to sleep rn but tmrw I’ll be on

[quartz gate]

i would like to since i need to finish some platton quest

[long hearth]

Play a mission or buy bp

[quartz marlin]

I’ll hit you up tmrw

[long hearth]

Or wait till the bp vault come out

[quartz gate]

sure

[zinc finch]

ppl always reccommend is line but the gun is not for everyone...also vk45 idk i dont see them often which means it might not be that good

[quartz gate]

400k would not be a big help tbh

[quartz marlin]

K just share your username with me in personal DM

[long hearth]

How much you need?

[quartz gate]

2.4 M for a tiger II

[quartz marlin]

DAAAM

[long hearth]

How much you have now?

[quartz gate]

rn 2.3M

[quartz gate]

100k

[long hearth]

Can you make centurion or tutel?

[quartz marlin]

I love drawing ✍🏻

[quartz gate]

i think im gonna sell most of my tank

[quartz marlin]

I can but I’m in the middle of a project for someone lol they are paying me by buying me gold

[long hearth]

The price will be reduced you know

[quartz gate]

why?

[long hearth]

You buy tank for 1.4mil , sold that for 700k

[quartz gate]

oh i know that but atleast it will mostly help

[quartz marlin]

K goodnight guys

[long hearth]

I see

[quartz marlin]

I’ll do it once I’m finished

[quartz gate]

is minotauro worth it?

[long hearth]

Never try it, they said the gun is bit bad but the armor is good

[quartz gate]

ah alright

rn my goal is to buy tiger II

[real bear]

Oh you were comparing, sorry I only saw the 1 message mb

[severe orchid]

Yo guys, any opinions on how much the legendary camo for the KV-2 will cost?

[frail dagger]

Alot, probs 2000* gold

[misty wing]

Laughs in 6.5k camos at tier 10

[earnest rapids]

laughs in free actually good remodels by modding community

[scenic fable]

I'm still waiting for a Romanian Premium tank to enter the game

[ancient iron]

thoughts so far on those new heavies?
All I know is the tier 8 seems to have good enough armor to bounce poorly aimed shots, and given it was in amongst the enemy meds in that last battle I did must be decently mobile... and the gun does alright damage (dunno about pen, I was in a Kanonenjagdpanzer... soooo pretty sure everything pens it lol)

[misty wing]

they look cool
bummed about no autoloaders, they seem pretty boring even with a mechanic

[ancient iron]

I'd ask why they keep going fast heavies, but I just assume it's to fit the meta so the tanks actually get used

[misty wing]

Vz 55 is actually quite slow, despite its sleek appearance

[ancient iron]

tbh I am surprised given the tier 6 and 8 both seem to be getting run like well armored meds, generally wolfpacking with the meds lol

[golden raven]

Why vz 44 1 in top is so baddddd

[solid wolf]

Im currently grinding soviet td obj 268 is it still good tank? Line?

[golden raven]

It has no armour no speed no normal gun nothing

I mean vz 44 1

Pls up vz 44 1 is too bad

[balmy compass]

VK 100 is a very solid tank, I really liked playing it, the big cupola and lower plate weren’t an issue for me
VK 45.02a is kinda eh for me, low gun depression was awkward to work with

[thorn bane]

The Tank is good, with almost no Weaknesses to show, the only real weaknesses are the Lower Great Glaciers and the Dome which even a light Tank gives Pen. And your recharge time Which comes close to 15 sec per Round

[cold ore]

I'm enjoying it so far, what's the tier 6 like, I skipped it?

[lyric copper]

near E/F tier line

they aren’t fast heavies, the tier 9 is suffering incarnate, and the Vz.55 is an IS-7 with worse armour and a 5A cupola

[balmy compass]

New heavies aren’t meta 👀

[fast compass]

That's so strange, it's like a fantasy. Are we really sure they aren't meta

[thorn bane]

Basically, it was the same as when the Type 71 Line came into the game. because no one had seen a broken Heavy (that's because at the time people didn't know how to fight him)

[undone star]

The difference is that type 68/71 was broken when it came to the game for the first time

First impresions of vz55 doesnt look too well as many players are complaining about it

[thorn bane]

About the vz.55, it has close to the Type 71 same cooldown Reload

[pastel idol]

Just looked in armor inspector at the VZ 55.

Why is everyone complaining about the armor? It looks fine. It has a strong turret, and a strong upper plate. Yes there is a cupola, so you can just sit still and expect to bounce.

The whole point of the tank seems like you are supposed to use it's mechanic (no increase in bloom when moving at slow speeds) to poke your turret out and shoot. Preferably using the tank's gun depression. Obviously if you ignore the tanks strengths and just sit there you will get penned. But moving and using GD you probably won't get penned much.

The top speed is lacking a bit, but other than that it seems like a good balanced tank. I think it will have a high effective dpm considering you should be able to be fully aimed when poking

It's a balanced tank. There isn't a reason to complain imo

[zinc finch]

if its as fun as the t8 prem then its worth it imo. looks nice too

[solid gate]

Do you use gold to train tanks or play?

[golden raven]

Yep

[cold ore]

Yup

[lyric copper]

because you can just play an IS-7 or 5A and be better

[pastel idol]

Not really. The is7 has less gun depression, and much worse gun handling. It also has a pike nose, which means it can only look at an enemy head on. This makes for a different play style. It also means it can't do what a VZ 55 can, and vice versa. The is7 also has more or less the same mobility to the VZ, excluding top speed.

The 5A has much worse hull, and it is a pike nose. Even head on, the 5A has a worse hull than an un-angled VZ. The 5A turret is also arguably worse, or at least the same as the VZ. The VZ also has better gun handling, and better traverse.

So you can't just play a 5A or is7 using the same strats a VZ would use, and perform better

[lyric copper]

both have superior mobility, and fare much better

[pastel idol]

The is7 only beats the VZ in top speed, that's it. The 5A has better straight line speed and top speed, but not traverse.

So no, they don't simply beat the VZ in mobility.

[pastel idol]

Are you saying those tanks are better simply because they have a faster top speed?

[lyric copper]

I’ve literally played all 3

I have 6 aces on the Vz.55 even

[violet timber]

5A has a much better gun and IS-7 has a better armor profile

[lyric copper]

5A doesn’t rely on a mechanic to hit OTM shots

• the VZ’s mechanic only exists lower than 15kph

[violet timber]

The VZ is good, just nothing really special

[stoic wyvern]

Is it worth 3k?

[quick aurora]

yes but he

[pastel idol]

@lyric copper

And that's your opinion, which is fine. I just think that the is7 and 5A dont beat the VZ everywhere.

You're right about the mechanic only working below 15 kph, but that doesn't really matter since you shouldn't need it unless you are below 15 kph

[pastel idol]

Exactly. And the is7 and 5A other stats represent those facts. Which is why they don't just replace the VZ

Also, the 5A doesn't have a much better gun. It only beats it in dpm and dispersion. It loses in gun handling

[safe cedar]

5a gun is way better... lol

[supple quartz]

Are They gonna add cobra from wotpc?

[pastel idol]

No it isn't, why do you think that?

It has better fully aimed dispersion, and 200 better dpm. That's it.

The VZ has much much better gun handling, so the two tanks guns are not better or worse than another

The VZ is almost fully aimed in most of the time because of it's mechanic, which makes the gun handling even better than what it says on paper

[willow comet]

No clip cobra lol

[spare nest]

Has anyone played the new Czech tanks? Are the good?

[safe cedar]

Dude you literally explained why it's better...
are you just dense?

[remote kindle]

I prefer 200 more dpm and slightly less aim tbh.

[supple quartz]

Good thing it's not a auto loader

[pastel idol]

Ignoring your rudeness...

I explained the pros and cons. I never said the VZ gun was better in every way. I laid out the stats and showed you that the 5A is only better in some categories while the VZ gun is better in others. You said the 5A gun is way better, when it is clearly beat by the VZ gun's much superior gun handling.

Maybe give me reasons why the 5A gun is way better? If it's just personal preference, then that's fine. But it seems like you're saying the 5A gun is better in every way, which just isn't true

[pastel idol]

Yeah, that's understandable. I prefer gun handling over dpm for anything under 3000 dpm.

The VZ's gun handling is really really good because of it's mechanic, so that's why I'm grinding for it

[remote kindle]

Ok.

[safe cedar]

If you do not understand it, it's not worth explaining it to you.

[spare nest]

Foch

[pastel idol]

Actually, I think you don't understand, or can't explain your point. The 5A has slightly more dpm and dispersion. The VZ trades that for probably best in class gun handling.

That means that the 5A gun is not "way better". I don't know how else to explain it to you. They both have pros and cons

[spare nest]

I mean he mains the Foch what do you expect

[zinc finch]

sick burn

[misty wing]

you don't have to be better in every way to be better overall, which is the case for the 5A gun vs the Vz gun.

[pastel idol]

Fair point. I suppose it's a matter of preference at that point tho. I'd rather take a 200 dpm loss and some dispersion loss and get amazing gun handling in return, but I get that others feel different

[ancient iron]

anyone else play the M41D heavily focused on snapping shots and constantly moving?
just wanna know if I am playing it sorta right... it feels right... that standard APCR makes it super easy to fire at moving targets too....

[long hearth]

I see, so I'm not wrong by buying it, anyway what's the point of researching the engine?, does it give you better transverse speed only?

[spare nest]

I used too I got tried of getting HE one shot

[safe cedar]

Okay, explain to me then why despite having almost identical dispersion factors to VZ it's gun handling is only average...

Aimtime, dispersion, and turret traverse. VZ is only accurate when playing the "hulldown game" rocking back and forth to avoid it's weakspots from being hit.

where as WZ actually has the accuracy and handling to to consistently go on the offense with it's dpm and handling, while simultaneously having the turret armour and dpm to effectively go on the défense.

In most active situations you will have to turn your turret and at that point the VZ's handling is on par, if not worse than the majority of heavies at tier X while turning their turrets.
VZ's mechanic is niche and of limited versatility, which you have hilariously inflated.

[spare nest]

But yes that’s really the only way to play it

[balmy compass]

I would assume it gives more engine power too
I would suggest researching the engine as the VK 100 when maxed has some good traverse speed for a superheavy, it will be easier to bait people to shoot your tracks with higher traverse when you wiggle

[kind flicker]

i prefer kunze over m41d

[spare nest]

True

[long hearth]

Seems great, however im still not used to this tank somehow due to the slow speed

[balmy compass]

The engine will help a little, but the point of a superheavy is to have thick/effective armor while being slow
However to have effective armor and mobility would be closer to a heavium

[zinc finch]

ig so...even bulldog can fire on the move

[ancient iron]

how painful is the Black Prince grind?

[pastel idol]

Ok so correct me if I misunderstood.

Tldr: the VZ has better handling

You're right, the VZ is most accurate when it is playing a hull down game, because you aren't going to be turning your hull or turret a whole lot in most hull down situations, meaning it will almost have base dispersion because of it's mechanic, giving it better gun handling than the 5A. I agree.

Now you say that the 5A has the accuracy to go on the offensive, which I don't understand since you don't need much accuracy in close engagements, but yeah the 5A has better base dispersion. It does not have better gun handling tho. For a moment let's completely disregard the VZ's mechanic. The VZ has max dispersion (moving, hull turning , turret turning) of .656 while the 5A is .733. The VZ has better gun handling even when you don't consider it's mechanic. So I disagree on gun handling, the stats prove that wrong. And in an active offensive situation, you will rarely wait to fully aim making the dispersion not as relevant.

The VZ and the 5A both have roughly the same turret armor, with the edge to the 5A. So yeah, the 5A will bounce more if it is sitting still. But the VZ should never be sitting still, making it hard to hit it's weak spots. Assuming both tanks are moving to protect their weak spots, the VZ has the edge since it will be almost fully aimed, whereas the 5A will have added dispersion.

In a lot of active situations, you will be turning your turret yes. But you will also be going forward and backward. Other heavy tanks will have base dispersion + moving + turning turret. The VZ will only have base + turning turret. So no, the VZ gun won't be on par or worse than other heavy tanks. It will be much better.

I'm not sure that you have actually looked at the stats of the VZ and other heavy tanks, or you wouldn't be saying what you are saying. Under 15 kph, and often above, the VZ has better gun handling no matter how you look at it. Definitely better than the 5A.

If you go to tank compare, you can see that the VZ has better stats than most heavies even when you don't consider the mechanic.

I won't argue about the active situation part, because then I can get into effective dpm and other things

[ancient iron]

the Skoda P-JS looks like a VK P hull with an IS turret... I am guessing that's more or less what it is right?

[zinc finch]

its literally in the name

[long hearth]

I see, how should I play this tank optimally?

[ancient iron]

ohhh.... yep it is.... (maybe I shouldn't overly study my tanks when still half asleep XD)

[safe cedar]

I said worse or on par specifically when turning the turret.

[lilac mica]

Tldr ?

[safe cedar]

Nah, I read it in like 20s.

[lilac mica]

I see, probably not so important

[pastel idol]

No one sits in one spot, not moving, and just turns their turret. That's not a realistic scenario, but yes, just turning the turret and not moving it will have worse dispersion than the 5A

[pastel idol]

It's on the top (if your talking about my big block). It's basically saying that the VZ has better gun handling than most heavies, not counting the mechanic, and better than all when counting the mechanic

[safe cedar]

Yeah, but when your snapping à shot, generally your turning your turret onto the target and firing. The WZ's lower base dispersion and better on turret traverse allows it to make stupid snap-shot's.

I dislike things that don't have hard backing, but it's almost abnormal the shots WZ makes.

Regardless I genuinely don't have the energy to engagé in thoughtful arguement currently.

[pastel idol]

Fair enough. Rest up

[safe cedar]

Sorry I was rude to you earlier, I'm already extremely stressed from my job, albeit that doesn't justify it to any extent.

[pastel idol]

Don't worry about it, texting makes everyone annoyed

[river hollow]

@kind flicker Panserjager is Norwegian, it isn't German and isn't spelled Panzerjager. And let me tell you that normal Chaffee with the American 75 does not have a muzzle break. Don't believe me?
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-norway-nm-116-panserjager/

[kind flicker]

those muzzle breaks look nothing alike

[river hollow]

Go ahead, find me another type of Chaff with a muzzle break.

[kind flicker]

seeing how this is a blitz server and the ingame chaffee has a muzzlebreak as the type in the picture,

[river hollow]

the in game chaffee is the normal one smarty pants

[kind flicker]

stock gun has muzzle break

[river hollow]

that's WG just looking for a unique gun design to use, the NM-116 also has a blocked-out hull MG, as seen in the drawing

[kind flicker]

it isnt blocked out, he just hasent drawn a mg port nd the pzjager dosent have a flat front but a bump where the port it

[dark schooner]

is the french light tree a good one to grind post t100?

[kind flicker]

yes

[dark schooner]

the tier 6 french light is unironically a pain in the ass to play

[gleaming sandal]

sounds like a skill issue but in all seriousness if the matches were longer it would serve more purpose

[dark schooner]

Well, just judging by the tanks stats it’s like it plays exactly like the tier 7-10 French lights would but worse

[misty wing]

what's up with the people who play British high tier tanks and don't fire a single round of HESH lol

[supple quartz]

idk but conquerer has a strong HESH

[leaden pagoda]

Would you advise IS-3 or Tiger II

[zinc finch]

tiger 2

[ancient iron]

Tiger 2 is currently at its gaming peak

[zinc finch]

even tiger 1 is good...too good rly

[chrome pollen]

Hellcat op lil sniper, medjay solid for t5

[ancient iron]

oddly the Tiger 1 and 2 feel like they are for very different roles though...

also... Tiger 2 is a menace in tier 8 max battles... I've had a couple times where I take my tier 7 heavies down the heavy tank route on a map, spot one of them holding, spot my own t8 heavies being unwilling to push and just abandon that side...

[chrome pollen]

Yeah I usually am last alive all cuz I went and did some bullcrab and then have to face off 4 tanks all full health while I'm only having 20% hp left, I get to end game screen and I see my team did no damage while I'm sitting over here and did about 2k damage with 2 kills while everyone else died doing only 300 hp damage

[ancient iron]

kinda curious what the VK 45.02A is like...

[chrome pollen]

Armour is crazy

[solid wolf]

No

[ancient iron]

I'd find it hard to say it'd be worth it at 1k..... the gun, when it behaves, is decent.... but it's got no armor (expect HE spam) isn't all that mobile, and has trash tier firing angles... 8 degrees depression isn't worthless, but the problem is the pretty meh 10 elevation, and 40 degree left and right rotation limits

[zinc finch]

3s aiming time for 400 alpha is a steal tho, it and 112 glacier are super strong you just have to deal with chinese characteristics

[lyric copper]

they aren’t lol

[zinc finch]

idk...had by butt kicked in my apac server account by those two

[lyric copper]

the blaze sucks and the glacial has been powercrept hard

first by the 112-1 and then the 53TP

[zinc finch]

oh well lol.

[copper swan]

is minotauro and amx 50b much better after the buff in your opinion, where magazines are fully loaded at the start of the battle

[reef parcel]

Yes

[zinc finch]

man tiger 1 is so busted, had a tiger str8 out running people down and out dmg tds

[icy wadi]

laughs with comet spamming hesh rounds

[quasi wedge]

Yeah i think they are... Kranvagn is better too and that's so satisfying

[wise moth]

50 B is actually a turn off brain tank now that it's fully loaded at the start of the battle, and it has quicker intraclip

[gleaming sandal]

idk I think it's free damage

[muted sandal]

The WZ-111 5A is a really great tank, mobility of a medium tank, great and hard hitting gun, reliable turret and also good looking, but there's a tiny thing I don't like about it. I can't put any accessories like a machine gun or other things on its turret. The regular Tier 9 WZ-111 model 1-4 at least has an appropriate machine gun already, I wish I could do the same to the 5A, or at least WG would put it itself

[frail dagger]

4th battle. 4th.

[zinc finch]

its a new tank so nothing surprising...farm as many Ms as you possibly can

[balmy compass]

Although your armor is great you’re still pretty slow, stick with your team so you won’t die instantly to 2+ people
You can sidescrape effectively wherever you’re given the chance
Whenever you fight someone/brawl you should wiggle and angle, if anyone gets close to you, use your gun to block your cupola

[blissful cave]

Since the warhammer tanks are in the shop that’s got me thinking why those tanks are sold every now and then but the girls und panzer tanks are never available
Does wargaming need to actively have the rights to it to sell the tanks that are already in the game?

[chrome ruin]

Strv 81 - Useless
Cobra - Toxic tank
114 SP2 - Kinda' useless

[violet timber]

Blazing hot takes

[balmy compass]

Swedish tanks are cool
Even tho this one looks to be a worse RAAC

[violet timber]

It should be the less armored version with more dpm

One might call is the Centurion S (sport)

[balmy compass]

Decent trade off
But having armor makes it more versatile, unless the Swedish variant gains some more alpha that is imo

[lyric copper]

yes

[blissful cave]

Would they still try to get them back to have em available tons of people really want them
Last year I had hope they’d sell them for girls und panzer’s 10th anniversary (October 2022$ but there was nothing : (

[lyric copper]

who knows

maybe if an important community figure talks about it?

[blissful cave]

And then I have hope again for October this year since that’s when the next episode part of das finale is released (Finland episode im so frickn excited🇫🇮)

Like if you go to the last video they made about it (adding Sherman firefly and IS-2 Pravda) there are comments for years saying please bring this back

[zinc finch]

yea ig wg might sell gup tanks...but may i ask a question, would it be sold with gold

[blissful cave]

I doubt it since all the tanks not owned by them are always for money (warhammer,Fury,valkrie chronicles and past panzer offers)
I dunno if fury applies to this since it’s in crates but I always see it sold for money

[zinc finch]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[blissful cave]

No matter the price I’d buy em

[zinc finch]

to me it better be cheap...if they are as expensive as these 40k tanks im not gonna

[blissful cave]

If they add more that’d be extremely cool but I’d be perfectly fine with just getting em I want em so bad

[long hearth]

Even my tiger p often got 2-3k damage easily

[long hearth]

So I've picked the right way, im started to get 2-4k damage with this boi

[balmy compass]

nice 👌

[raven zephyr]

Hi all, there used to be a channel where someone was posting information about each tank in the shop - good/average/bad and all the stats and whether it's worth to buy. Can someone point me to the right direction please? 😊

[blissful cave]

Yea I think there should be a shop channel like how YouTubers do shop reviews

[quick aurora]

yes

[proven harbor]

If I sell a premium tank with a legendary cammo
and I rebuy it later
Do I still have the cammo?

[thick trout]

It's never a good idea to sell prems, but yes you do keep any purchases you've already made on the tank

[covert field]

how often does the valkeryia tanks become avainle on the store in game?

[maiden geode]

strv 81 looks coom tho

the mathilda bp is kinda op

[lyric copper]

its not lol

[maiden geode]

i mean for its tier

[plucky summit]

It's still not

[lyric copper]

still no

[maiden geode]

i got many ace tanker badges with it

[plucky summit]

Yeah because it's a tier 5 and you're fighting lobotomized people

Matilda BP is one of the easiest tanks to outplay because it has such a low alpha. If you have more, just out-trade it

[maiden geode]

i obly have one

[balmy compass]

It also can barely move anywhere

[maiden geode]

i wouldnt say that
bc uhh
at line

[plucky summit]

M BP doesn't have the speed to leverage its high rate of fire. You just have to hope that someone (and tier 5 players likely will) will sit in front of you and get shredded

[balmy compass]

It’s slower then the Maus

[maiden geode]

how do i trade the tank

[plucky summit]

It's not, sooo

@maiden geode Trading shots is basically you shooting each other, hoping that the enemy either bounces or does less damage

[balmy compass]

It’s barely faster then

[plucky summit]

By top speeds, I guess you're not wrong

[maiden geode]

lol i aint hopin that
they hust kinda do it themselves

[plucky summit]

When I say "hope they bounce", I really mean "want them to bounce"

[balmy compass]

Hard to bounce a flat plate

[maiden geode]

and skoda t27 is kinda good and bad

[plucky summit]

Skoda has its place, but Progetto 46 is arguably just better

[maiden geode]

i drew both bc i had the gold form the new year tank and im f2p

[plucky summit]

If you really like how fast Matilda BP shoots, try out the funny stock gun on Churchill I, which rivals MBP's 2.7s with its 2.11s reload

[maiden geode]

i alr tried it and i still like matilda bp

[violet timber]

Matty bp struggles

[maiden geode]

btw i feel pain bc of the at line

i mean i got the at7 in like 2 day but they are hard to use

btw is at line worth it?

[violet timber]

Not really

[plucky summit]

I'd argue it's one of the most worth it lines

[maiden geode]

i most likely play test games

and WHEN does chat for eu come back

[plucky summit]

Nobody knows

[violet timber]

Maybe 10.1

[maiden geode]

atleast for training room games

[plucky summit]

I appreciate the potential for three-tank platoons

[violet timber]

Three man toons scare me

[balmy compass]

Will be funny to play in
Can’t say the same for the other side

[violet timber]

I mean tripple TVP would be hilarious

[wheat crescent]

💀

[plucky summit]

Triple TOG

[balmy compass]

Nah
Triple Yolowagon just obliterating heavy side

[violet timber]

Also sort of clipper would be disgusting

[plucky summit]

FV4005s would just remove two non-heavies in the first minute

[violet timber]

Also anything with tungsten. Tripple VK 72 would just wipe heavy side

[wheat crescent]

Triple Maus💀3 Tanks 9 000 hp

[balmy compass]

The insanity of triple Kran using super speed boost and yoloing heavy side to dump a total of 3600 damage

[plucky summit]

Triple Strv Ks, no medium tanks allowed

[solid gate]

Is the is7 still good? Worth grinding?

[wheat crescent]

No

[balmy compass]

Just barricade a whole lane after you die

[plucky summit]

IS-7's fine

[wheat crescent]

It’s trash nowadays everyone knows how to attack it

[solid gate]

Hmm so what should i grind? I have the kran

[wheat crescent]

If you are relatively new I would recommend the 60 tp

[plucky summit]

It really isn't

[violet timber]

Yes

[wheat crescent]

Kran LINE is worth grinding but Kran

[plucky summit]

IS-7 has only gotten stronger, turret weakspots strengthened or removed

[solid gate]

Nah im not new new i have been playing science 2016 but then i changed account. I take big breaks from the game and yeah

[violet timber]

Kran is solid right now

[wheat crescent]

It is damn ima grind it

[wise moth]

Triple 50 B is way more dangerous. 50 Bs have the HP to soak up hits for themselves, and have way more ammunition

[solid gate]

I love the kran

[violet timber]

You can go wrong with a strong turret and a clip

[wheat crescent]

It’s a very unique tank any one whit me?

[solid gate]

I love the play style off it

[violet timber]

I was just thinking of the time to kill on the TVP, since it has a stupid intra

[wheat crescent]

I like heavier play style and one shooting

[solid gate]

Yeah same here i like heavy and big damage

[wheat crescent]

Then 60 tp if it’s still as good as it was

[solid gate]

The line is pain in the ass for me so i wont grind it for now

[wheat crescent]

It had 500~700 whit tungsten filament idk what it has now?

[plucky summit]

🙊

[wise moth]

With 3 tanks firing at the same time, it’s not a practical difference. With 3 50 B’s, you’ll chunk down a 2400 HP tank in ~5.4s on average (assuming a shell is fired once every 0.9s). With 3 TVP’s it’ll take ~3.5s (assuming a shell is fired once every 0.5s)

Different? Yes, but the time to kill is so fast anyway, the difference is just a rounding error

[solid gate]

Is the grille 15 still good? I lowkey wanna grind it but it looks painful

[plucky summit]

It's fine

[wheat crescent]

Imagine 19 at-7s whit 10 clip mag VS Maus💀🤣

[plucky summit]

Where did this 19 number come from

[wheat crescent]

He chose death

[solid gate]

Hmm i need a line to grind but idk which one

[plucky summit]

60TP and E100

[wheat crescent]

Private macht

[solid gate]

no

[plucky summit]

Why not? They're the easiest ones

[solid gate]

They are boring

[wheat crescent]

Not 60

[wise moth]

AMX 50 B

[plucky summit]

Then don't ask for big damage heavies >:(

[solid gate]

Is it good tho?

[plucky summit]

No, he's recommending you a bad tank for no reason in particular

[solid gate]

I didn’t ask for big heavieees i just said i liked them

[wheat crescent]

Go whit the Grill

[plucky summit]

"I like big heavies"
"I don't want E100"

[solid gate]

What if he recommended it because HE thinks that line is fun and not because its good

[plucky summit]

It's rare to find a tank that's fun and good
Once it's good, the challenge reduces along with fun factor

[wise moth]

AMX 50’s are heavy, and do big damage.

ARL-44 is great, AMX M4 45 is kinda bad 50 100 is decent after the recent buff, AMX 50 120 is kinda bad, and 50 B is great

[solid gate]

Yeah im thinking about it, the grill or the f215b 183

[solid gate]

Nah I think the kran is fun and good

[wheat crescent]

Wait everyone’s saying it’s trash but I love it

[plucky summit]

I fail to see how Kran is fun when E100 isn't

@wheat crescent It is trash, in performance

[solid gate]

I really want to try that big gun that the f215b 183 has

[solid gate]

The E100 is boring in my opinion

[wheat crescent]

😭😭😭that’s why I never tell people abt it I have 37 mastery’s on it

[plucky summit]

Well I guess you can't really ask what tanks are fun because opinions exist

[wheat crescent]

It is world wide

[proven ingot]

Czs tier 8 Tnh is just T-2020

[plucky summit]

Uh. No.

[wheat crescent]

Uh..? Why!! Yes

[solid gate]

VERY boring

[plucky summit]

Whatever, go play D1

[solid gate]

[proven ingot]

TNH's turret is the same as of T-2020,but with no plates attached on sides

[plucky summit]

One's streamlined, the other is blocky

[wheat crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/hermes-survival-minecraft-herobrine-gif-23340187

[plucky summit]

I'm talking about the spaced armor, btw.

Also the hull shape :p

[wheat crescent]

Any tank whit bad stats?

[plucky summit]

FV215b (183)

[wheat crescent]

It can’t be good in stats bc the big ol caliber
It would be unbalanced

[plucky summit]

Exactly.

[wheat crescent]

I still hit 1700 across the maps

[plucky summit]

You literally can't hit people for 1700 damage in a shot unless it was an ability, a fire, or an ammo rack

[proven ingot]

At one point in modernity theres no point to make such a high caliber gun,imagine how much is a cost to make amno for 183

[wheat crescent]

Ok Ok you got me Max/bp 1673 in I e shot but still I hit

[plucky summit]

1625

[wheat crescent]

Did it get nerfed?

[plucky summit]

No, you're just incorrect

[proven ingot]

T54E1 is much better tank cuz he deals guranntered 930 dmg or higher,and has solid turret and hull armor

[wheat crescent]

No I’ve gotten 1673 i promise

[plucky summit]

T54E1 is meh. It's not guaranteed to deal 930 damage

@wheat crescent Proof > Promise

[wheat crescent]

I can’t I don’t have the replay and the screenshot didn’t save same whit my others screenshots😭😭

[proven ingot]

310 dmg per shot,but has no HE shells

[plucky summit]

It can low-roll, there is no guarantee it'll be at least average

[proven ingot]

Yeah i know but is still too op for tier VIII tanks

[plucky summit]

As tier 9s should be...?

Also other clippers in tier 8 deal at least 930 average

[solid gate]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ACCDfwwGrrM&feature=share

Churchill 3 as autoloader XD

That‘s where the funn begins 💀

[prime vale]

Silk touch

[wheat crescent]

Yes sir

[blissful glen]

i just met 114 sp2 in battle

[bitter mulch]

should I sell my 53tp to buy the 50tp

[balmy compass]

No

[shrewd turret]

cap

[lilac mica]

No and I recommend you to keep 50TP after

[zinc finch]

53tp best tank tier for tier imo. 50tp hull has its front wheel sticking out which means you cant peek corners

[frail dagger]

Whats better? 105mm or 122mm on TNH VZ51?

[ancient iron]

how is the Predator UM?

[kind flicker]

trash

[misty wing]

meh

[ancient iron]

aight so... I am trying to kit out my m60... I assume standard loadout for equipment?
(all left for combat, all right for vitality, then Optics, engine, CDS for specialization?) or is this thing's turret a weird example where enhanced armor might be worth considering?

[misty wing]

I think standard is fine on it

[simple silo]

Should I grind the amx 50 B or t 57?

[long hearth]

That's not alpha right?

[wheat crescent]

No i got fire

[half relic]

Hmm

[zinc finch]

if you dont yolo every game then try either...note that t54e1 is better than amx 50 120 imo.

[simple silo]

What about t 57 or Yoh

[simple silo]

^^

[zinc finch]

yoh is broken rn imo

[simple silo]

Thinking about grinding that instead

Do u think it’s gonna get nerfed to the ground?

[zinc finch]

no i dont think so...all yohs have troll armor while t57 remains the typical us dna- average everything. in t57 you have decent armor but will always get shot in the cheeks while 50b have really "good" bad armor that requires aiming or it will bounce...do note that yoh tanks might be boring at times like the emil line at least to me

[simple silo]

Im already up to tier 7 so it should be too bad

[zinc finch]

t7 yoh can sidescrape...also very small for a ht but the brain is way too big...the armor can bounce t8 occasionally if you try hard enough...and watch out for HE

[misty wing]

T57 is pretty much a better version of the Yoh

[copper swan]

^
but less armour in exchange for higher damage potential

[ancient iron]

anyone know the credit coefficient of the LT-432?

[ancient iron]

HELL YES! I just realized I can buy back a t5 med I miss playing with... the Pz III/IV

[misty wing]

Tier 5 is awful
If you want to play low tier I would step up to 6 tbh

[empty helm]

Well tier 3-5-7-9 are suffering

[ancient iron]

I got 194 tanks.... If I wanna play tier 6, I have 43 different options for what to play.... I like the Pz III/IV... hence getting it

[misty wing]

Tier 9 gets uptiered a lot but tbh some of my best winrate tanks are in that tier

[empty helm]

That's nice

[ancient iron]

one of my fav tanks is a tier 9.... the T30

[misty wing]

Conqueror

[empty helm]

T95

[wise moth]

based

[nocturne smelt]

M46 Patton

[late thistle]

777 question: Cali or rammer?

[wise moth]

Rammer hands down

[misty wing]

Rammer

[ancient iron]

finally got my M60 fully kitted out... and considering I had a reasonable game in it my first run despite jumping in with no equipment, no provisions, and the default ammo loadout... I can't wait to run it as actually intended

[still oyster]

Is it just me, or does this new tank like just look like kitbashes from multiple nations thrown in a bag, shaken and pulled out at random to make new tanks🤔

[fresh tendon]

which t10 should i buy? (1.FV4005 2.HO-RI 3.WZ-132-1 )

[kind flicker]

Fv4005

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t call 50b brain dead lol

[wise moth]

50 B. If you like the PC 50 B, the Blitz one plays pretty similarly

[lyric copper]

rammer

[short sedge]

obj 277 is a T-72 💀

[violet timber]

It’s not

[tender prism]

how is the wz1115a like?

[violet timber]

Good

[tender prism]

should i wait for the mle 54 to come out or just get wz

[violet timber]

Get it

[balmy compass]

I honestly thought 50b would be harder to play but it isn't hard to clip dump

[slim wedge]

What heavy should I grind first? IS-4 or IS-7?

[solid gate]

Siema

[safe cedar]

It's sad tbh

[gray wraith]

if you absolutely want one of the 2, is4, but I wouldn't recommend you to grind those two tanks

[violet timber]

Both

[balmy compass]

how much alpha and DPM does the 777 have

[violet timber]

3.1k dpm and 430 alpha

[stuck mango]

any idea on a med fit for agro playstyle

tier 10 that is

[violet timber]

E50M

[feral shadow]

Oh mann

<@&481447501690568709>

[exotic fog]

already banned, but dyno is struggling with cleanup

[feral shadow]

Ok

[undone star]

should i buy back my borsig or charioteer? (i want one of them as a tank i wont sell anymore but also to have one TD to have fun)

[safe cedar]

I would do charioteer personally

[frail dagger]

You got stealthy boom or stealthy pew pew

[balmy compass]

funnily enough they both have spall liner and ret cali

[solid gate]

My favorite tier 8.
What do u think about it ?

[loud arch]

Have I traded well? (Sold kv5 and cs52)

[balmy compass]

not really

[loud arch]

why

[balmy compass]

Selling premium tanks is hardly ever worthwhile
Especially since people use them to earn credits easily

[loud arch]

I bought the prem pass and earn like 70k credits in big boss even with a loss

[tender prism]

borsig, funny gun and rng with camo values that make you invisible

[zinc finch]

well you only have 10% buy back tax so its always worth it...if you left out a prem that is

[loud arch]

I’m earning at least 20k in big boss

I EARNED 175k with a lose

[zinc finch]

charioteer as ur a budget tier 10 medium (like irl)

[clear junco]

hmmm interesting, have you tried the AMX 13 90 yet? ;)

[tulip knot]

Amx is a w tank

[obsidian mirage]

Wow cool animated camo

[thorn bane]

Normal Wotb Camouflage in Ohio

[heady dew]

Talk about how to purchase your favorite tank around your phone. Then see the results your phone will produce in ads on any of your apps.

[misty wing]

?

[zinc finch]

aw sweet a schizo post

also 40k tanks are sold for even cheaper on steam. offer ends this month

[solid gate]

HellCat Is good tank

[solid gate]

Not good with light tanks 😂😂😂

[icy wadi]

you did a good thing cause you absolutely never should sell tier 10s

[earnest rapids]

absolutely not
they could have used those tank to grind credits instead
especially with big boss on

[ashen siren]

Is it worth buying T-34-3 for 5000 gold in the store rn.... Need your opinion on that tank

[solid gate]

Selfie

[zinc finch]

worth the gold but its not a great tank

[ocean goblet]

The t34-2 is better and « free »

Same gun, but t34-2 have better mobility, better turret armor and 100 more hitpoint. The t34-3 have only slightly better hull armor, more heat penetration and a better credit coefficient

[zinc finch]

if you love t34 2 so much then this might be a good buy...but if you are content with what you have then this might not be a good option...wg might have a tank sale next month so save up

oh and t34 3 looks better lol

[errant relic]

Which is better?

[ashen siren]

K cool.... Thanks guys

[lyric copper]

neither

the brits suck for new players

[errant relic]

What is better for new players then?

[lyric copper]

soviet, german

[zinc finch]

matilda is rly good, alecto is just average, also dont go thru the td line yet...the gun damage may turn you off but the short reload makes sure you hit them twice...if ur intrested ask me which tank is worth

[thorny smelt]

Dyno.exe is not responding

[solid gate]

hi, which one is better in tier 7? AMX 13 75 or T 34?

[clear junco]

AMX 13 75 of course!!! No buts!!

Got that AMAZING dpm, speed, camo, you name it! ;)

spoken really really fast side effects from zero gun depression, can't turn, ~140-150 pen, may include frustration, annoyance, stress, ohno-im-on-a-reload-and-theres-an-su-staring-at-me, dizziness, immediate death, etc cetera; please see AMX handbook inside AMX laws PRE-1 to see full list.

Whew that was long, but you're welcome ;)

[solid gate]

Thx

[strange badge]

Just average?! The Alecto has a derp canon for 170-190 dmg (I forgot exact number) and can basically slap T5 and T4 with HE for over 200!

[copper swan]

problem is alecto has zero armour, vulnerable to ramming, bad accuracy with the 25 pounder gun (94mm) and very bad shell velocity

[zinc finch]

i liked the stock gun more...but either gun wouldnt make much of an impact imo, its just too slow

[zinc finch]

t34 like chinese t34 1? auto bounce turret plus huge alpha but with ht handling, but overall you cant go wrong with...t34/100 has crazy acceleration and can bounce a lot when sidescraping...soviet t43 which comes after t3485 is alright...has dpm and stuff but eh

[static copper]

Everyone saying that tier7 balance is broken.
Meanwhile tier4 balance: Matilda, Matilda, Matilda, Matilda,...

[sleek sparrow]

Amx-30 auf1 join into blitz when

[solid gate]

yo guys i think pz. I should be added no cap

[sleek sparrow]

Kinda cringe, we need more shitbarn tank

[zinc finch]

90mm on t49 is actually kinda fire...heard many opinions about it being bad but no

[violet timber]

There’s just no reason to play it when any other light would be better. The 152 is what makes the T49

[zinc finch]

the aiming time isnt that bad and velocity is really high...plus protection against he...id argue that its still a good 90mm and isnt outclassed by the derp

[violet timber]

It’s not really our classes by the derp, it’s outclassed by every other light

[zinc finch]

its good to me and im comparing it to lekpz 90...anyways gonna play some more 90mm t49

[violet timber]

It’s literally just worse lol

[safe cedar]

That would be really cool. As fast derpy TD.

[balmy compass]

So a better Grille

[violet timber]

Perhaps

[safe cedar]

Probably with better handling, but without the dispersion or ability to snipe. More like a Fv4005, but with a single shot 152mm and better mobility.

[balmy compass]

I assume it has a turret

[thick trout]

The 300 dpm, worse acceleration and top speed, worse bloom and worse silhouette makes it a flat out worse ru251

[zinc finch]

he protection and -10 at front tho

[safe cedar]

Yes

[balmy compass]

So yeah, a better Grille

[zinc finch]

oh is that the upcoming vehicle in war thunder

[safe cedar]

Like I said without the dispersion. It would probably have like Deathstar dispersion.

[zinc finch]

has the same gun? with amx 13 f3

[safe cedar]

No

[onyx raven]

Both of the Tier 7 T-34s (T-34-1 and T-34/100) would be better.

[balmy compass]

Still would be very effective having a real turret without goofy gun angles
You can get close or stay mid distance back and slap people, run around and do it again
Also hull front doesn’t look HE’able

[thick trout]

He protection...?

[safe cedar]

Probably wouldn't be due to angling. The massive turret would be though.
66kph Top speed with 23hp/t+ wouldn't easily compensate though.

[zinc finch]

to non derp gun yes. do not test me with stats smart guy

[balmy compass]

122mm isn’t really a derp gun, 150mm+ are unless you’re in tier V

[safe cedar]

You really, really don't want to go down that road

[thick trout]

...I don't think you can even begin to claim the t44 has a derp gun even if you are mad enough to think the IS3 does lol

[zinc finch]

this guy pisses me off really...ive been hearig out on reddit for opinions and the end points are always according to stats while actually it might not be. missed out a lot of chances to buy prems n stuff just because of that...coupled with the hurr durr play russian or german tanks thing

[balmy compass]

Reddit 💀

[zinc finch]

122mm is high caliber already...worst thing is that with ru 251s super low armor your modules will go yellow every 6 secs from other lights and mediums

[zinc finch]

a bit religious but t49 tracks had eaten more he shells than ru in my experience

[thick trout]

Both of them are paper, the only time you aren't getting penned with HE from practically any tank is when you get shot in the tracks, and the T49 is much taller so that happens less frequently

[zinc finch]

isnt kunze panzer a t7 ru? with high he pen? dont cherry picking my dude

[zinc finch]

exactly my point that it has better he protection even if barely

[thick trout]

Because the T49 is taller it has more space not covered by tracks so it gets penned more often...

[safe cedar]

It has like 50mm

[balmy compass]

60 base

[thick trout]

Either way if someone sneezes too close to either tank they will take damage lol

[safe cedar]

Still it's not insane.

[zinc finch]

imo when running away being short but tall is better than being long except when ur so low like ltg...

[balmy compass]

Yeah

[hollow belfry]

‘’Do not test me with stats’’ sounds a lot like ‘’do not try to make a reasonable counter to my argument based on feels per second through established facts and numbers’’

[zinc finch]

armor stats really do be good man...

[hollow belfry]

What exactly is the line between a derp gun and a ‘’regular’’ gun to you?

[violet timber]

“Short but tall”. What in gods name does this mean?

[thick trout]

It's only half a metre shorter, and that's not particularly true. Targets that are closer to circles are the best to shoot at and the ru is much flatter so is harder to hit

[balmy compass]

Better then being long

[thick trout]

I believe they mean small from front to back, but large from top to bottom

[hollow belfry]

Yet that’s in almost every case not an advantage especially for paper light tanks

[zinc finch]

i cant draw the line really... i only care about their he pen values and higher caliber guns like 122 gets better he pen but even eating ap is painful enough

[hollow belfry]

As said above your dispersion reticle is circular and not elliptical, taller tanks will be closer to that ‘’circle’’ shape and easier to hit

[thick trout]

Lower silhouette is better across the board, too much height is something that really kills tanks

The once exception is a facehug which you shouldn't be doing in most tanks, let alone lights

[zinc finch]

you cant really flick do you as the aiming circle gets big with quick movement but if the tank is long then you dont have to move that much horizontally

[balmy compass]

Whar

[safe cedar]

Fv4005, maus, 50b, AMX m4 54, etc you can really feel that height disadvantage

[violet timber]

Dispersion has nothing to do with how long a tank is…

[glass otter]

what am I watching right now

[hollow belfry]

Play a Skorpion and a Borsig then come tell me again that being tall is an advantage for paper tanks

[violet timber]

A blitz official moment

[zinc finch]

that tallness of t49 comes with reduced length...

[balmy compass]

Play T-100-LT 💀

[zinc finch]

im getting gangbanged for having an opinion sir

[hollow belfry]

The Human Comedy by Balzac the Blitz playerbase

[violet timber]

You’re getting told why your opinion is wrong

[zinc finch]

they are trying to "test" me dictionary brain until i slips and get laughed at

[hollow belfry]

Sorry that your opinion went against the hive mind’s beliefs😂

[balmy compass]

We are making counters to your points

[glass otter]

#vehicles-discussion message

[thick trout]

I mean the T49 with the 90mm isn't a trash tank, it's just not great and the ru exists doing everything better
(Except for the front gun depression which isn't hugely important to paper lights, and is definitely not important with how much the ru gains in other areas)

[safe cedar]

You got foched.

[violet timber]

The T49 with the 90 is kind of bad

[zinc finch]

well yeah...at least t49 can snap shots idk...german tanks bloom faster with movement imo

[balmy compass]

All tanks do that tho

[safe cedar]

It's not trash, but it is redundant like playing E100 with the 12.8, Foch with the single shot, or playing Fv4202 without the hesh gun.

[glass otter]

....

[thick trout]

The ru is also perfectly fine at snapping shots...

[zinc finch]

us tanks bloom the smallest overall right...cmon are you even arguing to clear the confusion or just trying to get that sweet feelig of owning people online

[violet timber]

The 152 is just so much better. Higher alpha, less peeking, just generally better for a light tank like the T49

[violet timber]

The T49 has worse dispersion factors than the RU…

[safe cedar]

Ok...

[balmy compass]

All tanks have their own dispersion values
Different tanks will disperse differently on the move, or on turret traverse

[thick trout]

All tanks follow the same mechanics regardless of nation, at least as far has been tested

[zinc finch]

bc its an unique thing for the t49... in the t8 italian td not everyone runs autoreloader

[violet timber]

Czech heavies are the only exception right now

[balmy compass]

That’s true

[violet timber]

Because it’s literally just better. Like how everyone runs the single shot on the smv 64 because it’s just better.

[zinc finch]

i believe every nation has a "dna" in gun handling, ofc all tanks act like that...do i make myself clear

[violet timber]

If you’re arguing based off of what you want to believe vs what is actually happening, you really don’t have an argument

[hollow belfry]

🗿not quite
Gun handling and bloom varies wildly from one line to another within the same tree and sometimes even from one tank to another
This is yet another feels per second argument

[zinc finch]

auto gun sucks when stock but id believe otherwise...even t7 my mates run single shot guns until i convinced them to try it out...

[violet timber]

The single shot on the SMV 64 is one of the strongest guns on a tier 8 tank. That combined with an insane armor profile and lots of flexibility lead it to dominate.

[zinc finch]

ur not even trying to understand my point you just hit me with your roasts thats not really nice innit

[thick trout]

All gun handling is done with a normal distribution with standard deviation calculated based off the dispersion and bloom, the nation does not impact the mechanics at all

[violet timber]

There’s no reason to try to understand your point when you don’t have a valid point.

[safe cedar]

I would like to believe that, but sadly I'm not into wearing tinfoil hats...

[zinc finch]

man this is a waste of time...from vehicle disscussion to downright roasting...yall act like reddit and it shows

[violet timber]

We discussed the vehicles and the characteristics around them. You decided to bring in something that is clearly wrong, got told you were wrong, and got salty about it.

It is not our fault that rng doesn’t care about how you feel.

[zinc finch]

you think your stats are facts yet a lot of those are misleading just to win an argument and feel good about it...you give bad advices to new players, tell them to play boring tanks because its "noob friendly" among other stuff...even that one about he protection yall goes "yeah it kinda does but its not and ur wrong"

[violet timber]

Stats are hard coded into the game. They are not misleading.

[thick trout]

The T49 literally has more hull space unprotected by it's tracks so is less protected against HE, you are just wrong lol
And stats are facts...

[glass otter]

Stats ARE facts lol

[zinc finch]

you then proceeds to "interview" me about everything, trying to nitpick whats wrong and goes all out at it like the typical reddit hivemind

[violet timber]

Why do we recommend boring tanks to new players? Because boring tanks are simple. Simple is easy. New players need easy to learn.

[glass otter]

complains

[zinc finch]

wish you actually told them that...a poor soul just asked about not liking the all fave is3 bc its not the most accurate...like if he can buy premium accounts and grind something else in no time

i used to arguing on reddit and give the downvotes to those who "deserved" so i know this excatly...cant really having an opinion without being dunked on and washed away ruining the effort

[violet timber]

You can continue having your opinion, it’s just wrong.

[thick trout]

Also you were the one who began by trying to say that other people's opinions were wrong when there isn't any evidence to support that...

[solid gate]

Yo guys do you think Churchill III is good?

[zinc finch]

i dont outright saying your opinion is wrong im just showcasing my point and let all of us decide...until you flushed it with walls of texts and misleading arguments so that im bad and ur good and its too long dont read so dont even bother thinking otherwise

[violet timber]

Basically what you’re saying is you didn’t even read our arguments because they were too long and “misleading”? Hypocritical much?

[zinc finch]

better armor that churchill 1 but worse gun...it also has high base xp too...how much does it cost in your shop?

[thick trout]

Lol wut

idk what you think about what we said was misleading or was trying to say that you are bad at all, you've just kinda made that up in your head...

[solid gate]

1500

[zinc finch]

oh it comes with x5 xp too right, do note that its for that tank only unlike most other t5 offers

i reckon its good for event farming and free xp grinding...but imo eagle 7 is better at that
both are very slow

[thick trout]

There's better tanks to buy for sure, if you have no other prems then it might be worth it but you'll likely get better offers come up at other times

[solid gate]

Is T14 worthy?

[violet timber]

Save up for a tier 8

[thick trout]

^ I can't really think of any low tier prems that are really worth buying

[solid gate]

im saving for IS-5 dont worry

[solid gate]

i got centurion mk.5/1 by spending only 1.500 lolll

[zinc finch]

better than churchill for sure but only for tier 5 i think, id prefer t6 prems but i have pz5/4 too haha

[thick trout]

IS5 is also not a great choice unless you really don't have the gold for anything else. It's not a bad tank but there are lots of better options

[glass otter]

I wouldn't get the is5 tbh

[solid gate]

i want all IS line so....

[zinc finch]

is5s armor is quite trolly and 1k5 is a steal...get it man

[thick trout]

That's a bit of a weird reason to waste 1500 gold lol

[solid gate]

I wasted 2.300 on IS-2 (1945) <- best investment of my life

[zinc finch]

if you gonna play thousands of battles in it then its worth it

[safe cedar]

I mean if your à collector then yeah.

[thick trout]

There's much better options than the IS5 in the tech tree, the IS5 is only useful as a first prem for cheap

[solid gate]

I mean, IS-5 gameplay according to my friends, its like IS-3

[thick trout]

And being a collector is just a waste of money 👀
cant wait for the hate mail

[thick trout]

Yeah it's a slightly worse tank than the IS3 but a little more forgiving for bad players, but no matter what the 53tp is free and basically the ultimate IS clone

[zinc finch]

yeah...a toon mate of mine isnt that good yet he bounces a lot with the is5...on paper its not the best but 1k5 gold is very low for sure

[safe cedar]

Fair enough. I try to get all AMX-50 variants, albeit I thoroughly play all of them.

[solid gate]

how u get 53tp (i forgor)

[safe cedar]

Polish heavies

[zinc finch]

its a tech tree t8 polish tank m8

[solid gate]

Btw, how you used to get 50TP prototyp?

[zinc finch]

i think its on the store for a limited time

[thick trout]

I mean small achievable collections are excusable, but things like the IS which mean buying so many clones of the same tank as well as getting the fearless...

[violet timber]

You can’t right now

[thick trout]

It was in the clan challenge just over a year ago, I doubt it will ever come back into the stores unless it's as a reward for something

[solid gate]

used to get*

[safe cedar]

True, the IS séries is ridiculously expansive.

[solid gate]

yea, there are 4 variations of IS-2 lmao

[thick trout]

And you need to spend money on the IS2SH which is just embarrassing to see lol
A free garage spot is probably worth more

[solid gate]

I got 3 of them, im just missing IS-2Sh

[zinc finch]

love the black look...no one expects a sidescrape is lol

[solid gate]

yea, but you can get it on "Collect Em' All!" containers

[safe cedar]

...

[thick trout]

Of all the ways to collect tanks, crates are the worst way to do it 🤦‍♀️

[zinc finch]

haha dont do it man the house always wins esp when you get more prems

[safe cedar]

17.5k gold for IS-2h

[solid gate]

Better than waiting till wargaming takes the first step

[thick trout]

Erm
Okay buddy

[zinc finch]

thats exactly what they want lol...dont tempt yourself into buying lootboxes

[solid gate]

bro thats AMX 1er Proto w/ his camo wth

[zinc finch]

thats for 13k right...18k comes with the borax

[safe cedar]

You have pravda and IS-2 sheilded?

[solid gate]

Eh, guess I'll wait
2 years later
checks store
What's IS-3Sh? (accidentally gave wg a tank idea crap)

[zinc finch]

bruhhhhh

[solid gate]

Shielded? isn't it 1945 one?

[zinc finch]

speaking of gup tanks do you have any of them?

[solid gate]

Nope

[violet timber]

No, they’re different

[zinc finch]

ahh theres a gup is2 painted white...ive only seen it once

[solid gate]

Bruh, 5 IS-2's?

[solid gate]

Yea, IS-2 Pravda SP

[zinc finch]

hmm so there are tech tree is, gup is, 1945, shielded and 2sh right

[solid gate]

yep

Also, Object 244 count as IS-1 variation

Do you think they'll add 279?

[zinc finch]

that thing is op as hell ill buy one when wg sells

[safe cedar]

KV-13...

[glass otter]

for the love of god no

[solid gate]

@wargam-

[stray lintel]

Please don't give them ideas 💀

[solid gate]

Gustav

[zinc finch]

they better add the "i win" mechanic that comes with it so dont have to waste time trying to defeat the undeafeatable
or just out run it idk, thing has bad traverse

[solid gate]

oh wait, how about sturmtiger its 100% balanced

[zinc finch]

oh they did for an event and its removed

[solid gate]

fr?

[zinc finch]

war thunder has it though and its really fun, takes skill too
yeah they did now its an easter egg

[thick trout]

The sturmtiger has never been in blitz

[solid gate]

!

[safe cedar]

I believe they are talking about the model on the map.

[zinc finch]

in war thunder the "gun" is so large you can shoot the shell and make the tank explode lol

[solid gate]

should i do WZ-113G-FT line?

[thick trout]

@safe cedar I'm not sure but I don't want false info being spread

[solid gate]

do you guys think ft-17 will return?

[zinc finch]

sure why not the line is fun, very manuverable tanks

[safe cedar]

Agreed.

[solid gate]

Hm, I'll end IS-7, then I go for 113

Btw, why IS-8 comes before IS-7?

[zinc finch]

i think its a collectors vehicle now

[solid gate]

nope, its just normal

[zinc finch]

bc wg lol...shouldve called it t 10

[solid gate]

remember when wg placed MS-10 in IS-4 Position?

[zinc finch]

its on wotb too? i saw it on wotpc