vehicles-discussion

[solid gate]

It's fast for sure. I enjoyed WZ-132A aswell.

I'm mostly a TD player, so I tend to steer toward T95 & WZ-111GFT. I just love those tanks.

[plucky summit]

@wind gulch @lyric oriole @violet timber

1. Ima talk about this in #vehicles-discussion
2. I was working, no sleep B)
3. This phenomenon is coined (by myself) as three calibers rule bypassing, or 3CRB

[wind gulch]

🍿

[plucky summit]

Here is an explanatory screenshot

Basically if a shell hits a spaced armor plate that does not auto-ricochet the shell, OR an external module first before hitting the main armor plate. The shell WILL NOT ricochet the main armor plate, but instead attempt to penetrate at any angle

Example: A T-22 is forced to sidescrape normally (20° angle) against a Jg. Pz. E100 since the tracks and spaced armor will drill the sides in at the usual more loose angles like 40° that T-22 can pull off against less penetrating shells

TL;DR

Don't sidescrape against big pen AP/APCR unless you're dummy thicc behind the tracks

[wind gulch]

So basically tldr, the green areas that are highlighted, are an autopen, even though they shouldnt be?

[plucky summit]

Green does mean a penetration, but do note that passing 3CR does not guarantee a penetration, therefore it is not an autopen

The fourth image shouldn't have any green on the sides without 3CRB, but 3CRB is a thing

[wind gulch]

Okay so as another example. Let's say Tank A is shooting tank B sidescraping.

Tank A has a gun caliber of 100mm with an effective pen of 300mm.
Tank B is sidescraping, it's profile includes 2 plates of armor: An internal armor plate apart of the actual damage model thats 120mm (angled so that its 290mm effective) and a piece of spaced armor thats 10mm.

So in theory, if Tank A shoots tank B in the side without hitting the spaced armor, it will just bounce or non-pen due to 290mm effective.
BUT, if tank A shoots tank B in the side with hitting the spaced armor, overmatching it, it will ignore the angle the 290mm is at and pen due to it having 300mm pen.

So tldr: hitting spaced armor ignores bounce angles on a main armor plate?

[fast compass]

Yes but in the first case wouldn't it still pen cause 290mm is less than the 300mm pen

[plucky summit]

The TLDR is correct, it prevent autoricochets, but the armor isn't ignored

[wind gulch]

no because the 290mm would be angled at 70+ degrees

[wind gulch]

ah so basically, blitz can only calculate 3CR only for 1 piece of armor when hit, not multiple like spaced, track, and then main armor

[plucky summit]

Not quite

An external module can cause 3CRB even if it was 40mm against a 105mm shell

[fast compass]

100mm would be 290mm effective at approx 70° so yeah

[plucky summit]

Also "effective pen" isn't a thing

[wind gulch]

no just saying effective as a random word, 290 would be the exact number

[wind gulch]

Is this due to the 2 calibers rule? Giving it more normalization?

[vestal cliff]

[plucky summit]

"Effective" matters as a word
It differs from "nominal"

I'll have to see about 2CR doing it
It appears that it doesn't

[solid gate]

nah its trash

[wet prism]

How so? Way better gun than rhm and das er

[solid gate]

its very bad, did u Play it

[wind gulch]

Not sure if I get it then, how would it 3CRB if it cannot overmatch something that's not the main armor

[plucky summit]

That's why it makes no sense, but it happens anyways

[wet prism]

Yes, obviously you didnt, or Performerd Bad in it atleast

[halcyon lotus]

he prefers the rhm over the isu btw

[thorn folio]

I like how they turned the tier 8 french TD into the equivalent of the old Foch.

Feels so busted now lmao

[wet prism]

Now it all makes sense 💀

[wind gulch]

Huh thats weird, but tbf it has to be very rare and specific scenarios for such a thing to happen though

[plucky summit]

Ho-Ri can see it to an end constantly due to pAP and great penetration

[wind gulch]

so like if an E5 is sidescraping against me, its better to aim at the spaced armor/track wheel rather than the side armor itself so itll just ez pen instead of bouncing @plucky summit

[plucky summit]

Depends what tank

[wind gulch]

lower sides are only 44mm so idk anything smaller than 132 caliber

[plucky summit]

?

[wind gulch]

Or are you just speaking for raw penetration

[plucky summit]

If it does 480 or lower, chances are you have a >130mm gun

I speak for raw pen, you need penetration to penetrate after 3CR or 3CRB

[solid gate]

rhm more speed

[halcyon lotus]

we’re talking about cooked penetration

[wind gulch]

lets say at this angle, hitting the trackwheel.

Would a heavy tank with a 120mm gun (with 260 raw pen) hitting the trackwheel pen the tank?, compared if it hit the side armor itself and bounce due to 80 degrees?

[plucky summit]

raw and effective pen don't exist, just call it pen

And yes, you should penetrate if you hit the tracks as long as the shell doesn't further fly to hit the front instead of the side

260mm is easily enough

[wind gulch]

ok maybe 260 isn't enough lets say 300

[wary summit]

ISU has a better top speed and p/w than the Rhm

Stats don't lie

[wind gulch]

260 is easily enough but 249 + 20mm tracks?

[plucky summit]

Rhm has easily better effective p/w though, stats don't lie

[solid gate]

wat makes u think that

[plucky summit]

Do you know what normalization is? That's basically why the shell will certainly penetrate, along with 3CRB

[wary summit]

I guess that's to expect from a Hetzer chassis

[plucky summit]

It's 18 tons, that's why, plus less terrain resistance

[mild sonnet]

А где русский чат?

[wind gulch]

so it would ignore the 80 degree angle, and instead treat it like normal armor, with 5 degrees of normalization it would become 170mm. (according to BH)

[plucky summit]

https://discord.gg/mkNtBAYcWy

[mild sonnet]

Благодорю

[plucky summit]

@wind gulch Just watch this video, it will help, especially if you know how to use trig functions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtuYAiVZ050

[wind gulch]

yk what nvm I think i got it ig, thanks for your time

[solid gate]

isu feels slower to drive

[plucky summit]

[wind gulch]

I'll do testing in training rooms to look more depth with it

[wary summit]

Fair choice

[plucky summit]

If I was Eu, I'd help show you, but T-22 against any tier X TD will quickly show, especially when you compare shooting either the spaced armor or track, versus hitting only the side

[solid gate]

@mods someone is advertising a server, please ban em

[plucky summit]

Where?

[solid gate]

scroll up, there is a russian server

[wind gulch]

ur a bit slow

[plucky summit]

That's WG's WOTB server for Russian speakers, I am simply giving the Russian speaker the server so he can talk with other Russian speakers

This server is for English speakers

Look at the pinned messages in #general-blitz-discussion and you will see why I posted it

[halcyon lotus]

how is it breaking the rules

[wind gulch]

So im guessing its just a blitz bug huh @plucky summit

[plucky summit]

Yes, it is exclusive to Blitz

[wind gulch]

Epic

[plucky summit]

I brought it up to Alexandra and she reacted to the message, though never replied :p

[wind gulch]

Was probably a bit too complicated to take in at once lol, maybe if u had a full convo with a dev or sumn

[solid gate]

read the rules

[halcyon lotus]

did he delete his message or smth?

[solid gate]

oh ok

[plucky summit]

I only sent, and I quote:
"Hello! I have been studying a potential oversight that affects armor penetration in the game. I want a way to notify the devs, and I think you're a good path to take.

It involves the three calibers rule, and small AP and APCR shells overmatching plates that they shouldn't, JUST because they hit the gun/tracks or spaced armor first"

[wind gulch]

I think it was maybe too vague, esp for Alexandra or probably doesn't know too much in-depth for in-game mechanics, majority of blitz players don't know the 2CR and 3CR existence

[plucky summit]

I would have been glad to elaborate if she replied, asking for details and whatnot

I might just follow up

[thorn folio]

Im confused, what is 2cr and 3cr

OH, overmatch

[wind gulch]

No, 3cr is overmatch. 2cr isn't.

[thorn folio]

Same premise though

[wind gulch]

Uhhh no, not even close, 2cr gives more penetration to shells that have high calibers striking thin armor plates.

3cr basically gurantees an autopen

[thorn folio]

.... You mean like how 3cr allows the shell to completely ignore thin armor plates, effectively meaning it's penetration becomes infinite.

So yes, it is the same premise and I know what it is lol

[wind gulch]

🤦‍♂️
2CR isn't a guaranteed pen, it's just a bonus for pen, and it's much more applicable in game compared to 3CR.

[misty wing]

the "premise" is that the higher your caliber, the more benefits you have with regards to penetration. The difference is merely in the degree

[thorn folio]

Shell become bigger.

Less shell cares about armor.

That is the premise.

[wind gulch]

If you want to put it like that, sure.

[plucky summit]

2CR is not a bonus to penetration, directly

It simply reduces effective armor, which you could equate to more pen, but still, it's not direct

3CR is the overmatch mechanic, but it is not a guaranteed penetration

[wind gulch]

How is 3CR not a guaranteed pen?

[plucky summit]

The only thing 3CR does is guarantee that your shell will not ricochet

But your shell can still bounce

This is extremely prevalent since 3CRB exists

[wind gulch]

Isn't bouncing and richocheting the same term

Maybe u mean non-pen?

[plucky summit]

Most people think so

A non-pen to most people is a bounce to me

[misty wing]

ricochet means the angle was too severe
but a non-pen can also be because the effective armor was too thick

[wind gulch]

ye bounce is just slang in blitz terms for nonpenning shots, it could be a flat turret and i wouldnt pen with HEAT and I would still call it bounce

Just making sure we dont get confused here

[plucky summit]

The definition of ricochet tends to imply that something glanced off something else, which is what happens in game

A ricochet glances the shell off to a different trajectory, while a bounce will just delete the shell

[misty wing]

yeah and bounce and ricochet are different things
ricochet'd shells can also strike another target, although this is very rare

[wind gulch]

Anyways so basically 3CR ignores the angle of the armor it's shooting at, but if it has enough effective armor, it can still nonpen? @plucky summit

But wouldn't the effected armor be influenced by the angle it's at?

[plucky summit]

It only ignored the angle in regards to the auto-ricochet angle

Effective armor is reduced by subsequent 2CR and shell normailzation, but can still be great enough to bounce the shell, especially with tracks or external modules in the way

[wind gulch]

But majority of the time, esp in high tier, penetration is more than great enough to overmatch plates and not have a non-pen scenario?

[plucky summit]

Yes, a 3CR resulting in a bounce is most notable to tanks like a KV-2, with very low penetration by ratio to the caliber it the gun

High tier tanks have the penetration to boast alongside their caliber

[wind gulch]

So that explains a video I made years ago, where I was shooting vk 28 105 on the side of a stug, but it kept bouncing, or a scenario where a 183 was bouncing the side of a 60mm 100Y

[plucky summit]

183 bouncing SU-100Y should not be possible, unless the SU was running Enhanced Armor

[wind gulch]

Nope, swear it wasn't.

[plucky summit]

Have the video? DM it to me if you do

[wind gulch]

it's been deleted long ago

[plucky summit]

Well, my biggest guess it that it hit the tracks, and nothing else

[wind gulch]

Also checks out in PC wot, interesting

[plucky summit]

VK 28.01's 105mm does have low enough pen for it to happen

[wind gulch]

Still a very absurd angle for such a thing to happen so I would say 95% of the time it pens without any issue

[plucky summit]

It's an obscure situation, and will rarely ever happen, it's mostly limited to low pen/caliber ratio tanks

At least for genuine 3CR, not 3CRB

[wind gulch]

This 3CRB thing also gives another explanation why the 215b is absolutely dookie at sidescraping

[plucky summit]

Y e a h.

[wind gulch]

like in PC it can sidescrape at absurd angles with an even WEAKER side, and still be more effective at it than in blitz

[plucky summit]

People will drill the shoulder anyways

[wind gulch]

Do you think WG maybe knows about this bug already, but has decided that armor balancing will fix the issue @plucky summit

I have a feeling they do

[plucky summit]

I believe Type 71’s sides behind the track wheel tried to accommodate this problem

[wind gulch]

or maybe just a "balancing" feature so that the tank wouldn't have a dumb weakspot like the Americans, who knows tbh

[plucky summit]

It’s not a dumb weakspot at all

It should be penetrable if Type angles too much, like many tanks

[wind gulch]

Aiming lower trackwheel negates this issue anyway as it doesnt cover the FULL side

[plucky summit]

Anyways, I really do hope to hear back from Alexandra or a developer, because I’m really looking forward to explaining this to them, and showing them in game

[lunar lake]

59-16 is very underpowered, the thing has bad dpm, bad accuracy, bad pen, and bad mobility

[misty wing]

I don't understand why WG felt the need to make the E50M monster evo

like were they not satisfied with the first one or something, lmao

[misty wing]

you have to be in a certain top clan and then it's up to the clan lead to invite you

[sturdy coyote]

Yep, same applies to using kv2/low pen 152 derp gun against roof armor, like e75. Or a over-angled light like Kunzepanzer’s front plate.
It does not bounce but the shell simply won’t pen, 3CR overmatch only greatly reduces the effective armor and prevents the shell from bouncing, but if you have really bad pen, it will just not go through.
TL;DR 3CR no bounce but can no pen

[pastel eagle]

guide to use comet, guys

[wary summit]

Make full use of the excellent gun depression, fire rate and mobility. Be aware of it's paper armour and horrible pen.

The Comet shines more as a support tank, so do try to get toward enemy flanks, do not do this alone. Attempt to have a more armoured medium or td supporting you.

[pastel eagle]

[wet prism]

Because you keep saying its Bad, Not admitting that the gun is superior to rhm. The only Thing you keep saying its Bad, Not Listing reasons as to why, therefore i think you Performed Bad in it or dont even have the Tank

[copper swan]

do you think blitz is starting to move away from hulldown meta as seen by autoloading, autoreloading tanks and more light tanks

[shadow fulcrum]

Why did Foch 155 get nerfed? Was it too O.P.?

[round wing]

Sorry, but does anyone have a high-quality picture of the login screen like this?

[wind gulch]

@plucky summit Did TR's, it's so insane how broken this bug is LMAO

[cloud thistle]

Thanks WeeeGeee

[sleek apex]

(From Aeson000's server)

[plucky summit]

🤷‍♂️

[halcyon lotus]

ok but tbh the best update screen is clearly the one from 8.9

[sleek apex]

My favourite one are the Update 6.9 loading screen, Tiger II Savage

[wary summit]

^

[halcyon lotus]

almost forgot to mention about the 6.3 loading screen, looks amazing

[stable fog]

can you add a sturmtiger tank?

[halcyon lotus]

using reskin mods, yes

but it’s impossible for them to add sturmtiger as the caliber is too big for blitz (and also wot pc)

[stable fog]

and also activate the machine gun

[halcyon lotus]

machine guns will literally be useless as the tank crew are always inside of the tank, so basically it would do zero effect other than triggering epilepsy

if the tank crews were visible outside of the tank, it would easily be an unfair advantage as there are multiple other tanks that do not have machine guns

[wary summit]

Just play Armoured Warfare. Hybrid between WT and WoT

[violet timber]

Not really

[sleek apex]

The Sturmtiger are ingame, not as a playable tank though. Closest alternative ingame are the WH40K Vindicator UM.

[sleek apex]

Also in Vineyards

[frail valve]

how did you get it

[cloud thistle]

Lockbox

[frail valve]

ok

[cloud thistle]

It's a 💩 tank but the name says the only purpose of the tank which is Ramming

You ram an enemy it deals like 200-400 dmg, and you just take 50 dmg, it's crazy

[plucky summit]

It's comedically a straight upgrade to SuperPershing, though that isn't hard to achieve

[violet timber]

Raum is the best med bully at tier 8 💀

[wise moth]

Raum kinda cracked

[cloud thistle]

Yea good for bullying Lights, heck no screw that, all tanks even Heavies getting rammed by it

[scenic schooner]

Can anyone tell me which t10 will be next in shop? Xd

[frail valve]

Idk

[scenic schooner]

Thanks

[frail valve]

Np

[sleek apex]

The name "Raümpanzer" actually means "Clear[ing] tank", hence the installation of the dozer kit.

[cloud thistle]

I see, I thought Raum means Ram... Has similar tone to it

Plus you get more damage ramming than actually shooting your gun

[plucky summit]

1. The ramming damage depends, so I wouldn't make a statement about the damage like that

2. It's a pretty heavy tank, so combined with the speed, like an E 50 M, it rams better than most tanks, though that should absolutely not be your main way to attack enemies

[sleek apex]

I am planning to get the tank for my collection, passed on the ridiculous 12.5k offer last December.

[plucky summit]

It is the 4th highest DPM of the 90mm guns in medium tier 8

[lyric copper]

T49 players when a Räum appears:

[wind gulch]

honestly its way too slow to get up to speed, theres better rammers like the Panther 2 or FCM if needed as a premium

[violet timber]

Raum actually accelerates faster than the FCM

[wind gulch]

not by that much, and it's just the Raum is so limited to it's top speed so it doesnt do much, but i would say Panther 2 is def the king of t8 for ramming

[thorn folio]

Raum is honestly a pretty good tank, people just assume it's bad because it's bad in WoTPC

[lusty hinge]

Do you speak Ukraine

? Make Europe nation tank pleas and oak Ukraine nations ?T 64

[misty wing]

I know there were some people here defending it a while ago, but the ST-I is genuinely one of the worst tier 9s I've ever played

[dapper violet]

just play it not stock.

its like, incredible.

[misty wing]

I'm not playing it stock

it's garbage.

[lusty hinge]

Будь ласка додайте гілку т 64 до або ссср або європи?

[plucky summit]

Don't call it incredible, even if it isn't garbage

[dapper violet]

it does impressively for a superheavy of its style

[plucky summit]

Oh does it?

[misty wing]

the problem is that it isn't a superheavy but it moves like one, with arguably worse mobility than the E100. 0.25 dispersion on the move also cripples its firepower

the ST-I's upper plate is vulnerable to pramo from equal and higher tiered heavies, and its lower plate is easy to pen even for lower tier mediums, which isn't usually the case for actual superheavies with such poor mobility as the ST-I has

[violet timber]

The ST-I gets nothing that other Tier 9 heavies don’t have but better

[dapper violet]

that's the stock grind mainly

the ST-i has decent stats in most aspects, ignoring the small side armor problem

it has a good, dpmy gun, with 340 pen heat and a decent turret as well

[sleek apex]

T-64 Ural would be only viable in-game if they get to fit the 115mm smoothbore gun into the T-62A, which is disagreed upon by many of the members here.

[violet timber]

T-64 has both a smoothbore gun and composite armor, both of which violate the unofficial rules of tank additions

[sleek apex]

Also that

[safe cedar]

they could just remove them and it would be fine. Composite armour is also à poor arguement given such tanks like kpf 70 have similar systèms.

[violet timber]

Kpz 70 doesn’t have composite armor like the T-64 does

T-64 uses composite materials, Kpz 70 has air gaps that can be filled with radiation shielding

And the T-64 is flat out better than the T-62. We have the T-62A in game, T-64 is 2 steps above that. No chance it gets added.

[safe cedar]

Leopard 1 essentially straight up outclassed every heavy irl, didn't stop WG.

[violet timber]

Leo 1 fits into the game, T-64 doesn't

[wary summit]

Thoughts on the TVP VTU Koncept?

[odd cove]

meh. gun is the redeeming feature

[supple hearth]

Its a good tank, only in the Right Hands

[balmy compass]

The wn8 calculator would beg to differ

[dark schooner]

Type 71 still worth the grind post nerf?

[balmy compass]

Not really
E5 and IS-4 are better options for speed and armor

[solid gate]

it feels slow to drive compared to rhm and has no turret, gun does no damage

[wet prism]

That litterally explains that you perform poorly, because the gun Deals more damage than rhm,

[solid gate]

thats not true, derp gun is terrible with low pen

rhm can one shot other tanks in comparison

[wet prism]

It is, and If you Play the isu Stock its Not a suprise you think its Bad, you dont even have the bl10, do you?

[wet prism]

Rhm cant do that, except of modes and maybe t6 or t7 lights

[plucky summit]

Yeah ISU has an infinitely better gun here

[solid gate]

im talking about the stock tank, fully upgraded is good obviously so there's no point talking about it

[plucky summit]

There’s no point talking about the stock tanks, because that’s not where comparisons should be made

[thorny smelt]

Despite I finished the Grille 15 line first before the Object 268 line, the 152 mm BL-10 gun can butter through almost any armor in sight. The mobility may be bad but the gun is on the very opposite of the spectrum.

[solid gate]

u play the tank stock always before getting upgrades kid

[plucky summit]

No I don’t

[solid gate]

so u dont play wot then

[plucky summit]

I skip the stock modules with free XP lol

[thorny smelt]

Same

[solid gate]

free xp grows on trees apparently

[kind flicker]

isu has the best t8 td gun

[thorny smelt]

^^^

[plucky summit]

Let’s stop saying ISU is bad, say stock ISU is bad, since you’re pushing so hard for it being stock

[thorny smelt]

Stock = Suffering

[kind flicker]

the stock 122 has amazing dpm with bad pen
the bl10 has 2500dpm, 300mm of pen with cali and accuracy

[plucky summit]

Why would you even run cali

[solid gate]

for ppl who grow free xp on trees

[plucky summit]

Cost doesn’t affect performance, my guy

[kind flicker]

i dont, just saying

i completly ground the bl10 and not a drop of fxp used i also got the obj 704 is sub 100 battles i think

[thorny smelt]

Bruh. FXP increases every time you play. Boosters will help increase the FXP you got after the battle.

[kind flicker]

in other terms, isu is miles better than borsig

[thorny smelt]

215 AP pen? Pfffft

[plucky summit]

ISU’s gun is miles better than Borsig, but the tanks are comparable in performance

[kind flicker]

and isu has the better camo, tundra is amazing looking

[solid gate]

dont play isu, its slow and has bad gun

[plucky summit]

Stock ISU*

[kind flicker]

isu bro dosent understand the russian derp TDs

[solid gate]

im talking about the stock gun

[kind flicker]

we arnt, isu is amazing so stop saying it isnt

[solid gate]

I never played with bl 10, but is it better than t49 gun

[plucky summit]

You have to say stock ISU, or at least with the stock gun, or else you imply that the tank with the max modules is bad

Now stop baiting

[kind flicker]

bl10 is one of the best gun in t8, way better than t49

[solid gate]

is it worth grinding 75k for it cuz i dont wanna waste my time or anything

[plucky summit]

BL-10 is the best gun in tier 8
Opinionated, but still

[kind flicker]

bl10 is worth it, make it an easy grind to 704 and you instantly have it on 704
and i agree bl10 is best t8 gun

[solid gate]

the problem is the stock gun which is bad, they could just give us the gun in stock makes life ez

[plucky summit]

Then most of the grind is just done, imagine that BL-10 is just a combination of the gun and what would have been a turret if the tank was turreted

With stock gun, just play like SU-152

[kind flicker]

bl10 stats

[dark schooner]

The BL10 is absurd

[tepid stump]

exactly, a potential of 300mm of standard pen is crazy

[kind flicker]

and beautiful camo

[plucky summit]

It's mainly the alpha without a cut of DPM

[kind flicker]

286 pen, 3100 dpm, 640 alpha

[thorny smelt]

vs. Rhm with 215 mm AP pen, 2375 DPM, and 600 alpha 💀

[kind flicker]

not to mention the su152 have 3k dpm with the 122mm

[tepid stump]

ig the only thing the rhm has over isu is reticle calibrator

(Using the 150mm)

[kind flicker]

yet isu still has better accuracy

[tepid stump]

yeah

[dark schooner]

I think Soviet tanks might be better than German ones in general at tier X

I have less issue taking down German compared to Soviet ones

[kind flicker]

is7 bas better frontal armour than all the german heavys

[plucky summit]

Mmmmno

[wet prism]

Skill issue

[plucky summit]

He’s just baiting by actually meaning the stock gun

[solid gate]

its still unbelievably bad

[wispy seal]

Nope, its quite fast compared to other tanks, gun is awesome.

[lethal lark]

hi, i have started playing after about a year and i was wondering if there were any other playable pre 5.5 tier ones other than the ms-1

[wispy seal]

There are 2 ms-1's, the OG tier one former techtree, and the new tier 2 collector. Are you talking about the new one (tier 2)?

[plucky summit]

There are none other than MS-1, it is the only tank back after 5.5

@wispy seal He does mean the MS-1, not the MS-1 mod. 1

[frail dagger]

Finally, i started grinding the B1 again (i hate seal clubbing 😞) but i will begin the French HT experience!

[wispy seal]

Oh ok

[frail dagger]

The tier 5 stock is a nightmare

[solid gate]

wat tank

[wary summit]

BDR the steel potato I reckon

[solid gate]

Lol

[thorny smelt]

More like aluminum potato. What's good is the gun. It PUNCHES.

[dapper aspen]

Good morning all , can someone tell me if I have to play the m103 same like the tier 8 ? It looks so fragile with the armor

[thorny smelt]

Hull down

[forest gorge]

guys should I grind 60tp or Sheridan line

[loud bobcat]

@plucky summit hi! I would like to report a graphic bug on the Wolverine but I don’t know in which channel I must post it! Look at the two white holes at each side of the tracks!
Thank you so much! 🫶🏻

[halcyon lotus]

wrong ping

[solid gate]

How to play jagdpanther ii

[halcyon lotus]

camp or second-line, it’s the typical tank destroyer playstyle

[solid gate]

Thanks

Should a m iv y take hulldown position or side scrape

[halcyon lotus]

hulldown, but after shooting, always lift your turret up to hide your hatches (applies too for the m5 yoh and m6 yoh)

[glass tusk]

I have 5 new tanks any tips on them ?

[frail valve]

is the b-c bourras worth

[violet timber]

Yes

[sharp storm]

If I buy the Type 57 without the legendary camo right now, can I find it in the camos list in the garage?

[violet timber]

Yes

[frail valve]

k

[scenic schooner]

The b - c is very Good

[fallen linden]

Which crew for tvp 50/51?

[cursive wolf]

4005 you can either chill in the back and bonk or do what I do and frontline (requires skill) and get 3k avg damage.. high risk high reward for that tank

[upper vigil]

what should i use on wz 121? cali or gun rammer

[violet timber]

Both

[upper vigil]

cand use them in the same time tho

[violet timber]

Unfortunate

[upper vigil]

which one fits the best on it tho?

[violet timber]

Yes

[misty wing]

rammer

[wanton marlin]

Goofy AHH platoon

[plucky summit]

I cannot fix this issue, nor do I have a better way to reach the WG team about this

Submit a ticket to WG’s support website

[wise moth]

Wdym

[rain pier]

The bromwell in mad games needs to be nerfed, if you activate the skill it basically turns into the flash, and it's passive skill increases the ram damage by like a billion, making it really toxic because u can literally instakill someone

*anyone

[violet timber]

Wow, almost like madgames is a gamemode made to have broken abilities.

[solid gate]

Hello does anyone have any tips for the gsor?

[balmy compass]

Replace bromwell with Panther II, T49, 183, Jageroo, ect.

Just accept busted tanks are even more busted in this mode

[empty thorn]

is minotauro good tank overally

[lusty hinge]

I will make sure that the developers add t 64 to the game and write t 64 everywhere.я буду добиватися того щоб розробники добавили в гру т 64 хто за пишіть повсюду т 64.

[violet timber]

Good luck with that, it’s not gonna happen

[lusty hinge]

no, it's Ukrainian

[wanton marlin]

if Russian MBTS get added make them realistic. Easy to ammo rack

[lusty hinge]

what is MBTS

[violet timber]

Main Battle Tank, or something that has enough armor to block incoming rounds, enough firepower to take out enemy tanks, and enough mobility to get to where it needs to be in a reasonable time

We technically already have them in game, as most tier 10 mediums are mbts irl

[kind flicker]

Kpz70, amx 30, m60 and Patton, Leo, chieftain

[remote kindle]

The centurions

[violet timber]

I could list all the MBTs, but I honestly don’t feel like it

[remote kindle]

Lol

[echo pilot]

oh my god i just got annihilator and it is so busted lmao

[frail dagger]

What are the Bromwells abilities?

I may buy it back with credits, as im now better with meds

[zenith shadow]

What line best to start and what tank to choose?

[wary summit]

T-62a, Type 71, Sheridan, T-100lt, T57 Heavy, 60tp, Progetto 65 and Kranvagn are some of the lines that are good for beginners to teach how to play these general playstyle of tanks in the game

Sooner or later with experience, you can aim for some of the other challenging lines offered by the game and take it easy

[novel escarp]

Is the obj268 worth it?

[violet timber]

E100 and 60TP

[cursive wolf]

E100,60tp,kran are acceptable for starters I would also say type 71 but it got a huge nerf

[hollow belfry]

So you're going for a ban speedrun? Cool

[kind flicker]

Yes, very easy and fun line to grind for beginners aswell

[zenith shadow]

Thx guys

[safe cedar]

Technically they already added a version of T-64. Obj-432/430 and LT-432 are both basically versions of T-64.

I honestly think the early T-64/obj-432a could be a Balanced addition to blitz.

[daring merlin]

After the nerf the Foch will now come with a white flag as a consumable

[misty wing]

I really miss the old Object 430 on PC tbh, but it was kinda a crazy task to balance that and the 140 and t-62A all being very similar

[long hearth]

Is Fully upgraded KV 1 could do anything?

Tbh I'm interested at IS 7 line, but still wondering should continue on E100 or doing this one

[wary summit]

Not much but it can hold against its own tier

The fun begins with the KV-1S... Make sure you have enough exp for the modules beforehand

[plucky summit]

KV-1 is is nothing compared to what it used to be

If it was more accurate, it wouldn't be such a pushover

[long hearth]

So I guess pz4 is much better

[long hearth]

Not even if it was fully upgraded?

I also wanted to buy VK36, does it good?

[cedar kettle]

I have the Charioteer now, should i grind to the FV4005 ?

[wary summit]

As Chicken said above, it got quite powercrept from what it used to be

[solid gate]

We have really fast light tanks on these suposed smaller maps Nd they have no issus wonder if we will see armored cars or wheeled tanks in the futer

[wary summit]

Mighty good, a good contender for one of the strong tanks in tier 6

[sharp galleon]

I'm thinking of buying a premium tank for Russia. Is the IS 6 good?

[daring merlin]

No its old now

[long hearth]

So how about KV 1s vs KV2 which one might be the better one?

[long hearth]

interesting

[wary summit]

For fun, the KV-2

For dictating influence and flexibility,go for KV-1S

[long hearth]

Nice, I'm going to take KV 2 for a while

[wary summit]

Remember to save up exp for the modules

[copper swan]

^

[shy apex]

Hi

[long hearth]

Aight

It's so useful, this KV 1 without mods is just slow pz4 💀

[limber raptor]

#MakeGargoyleGreatAgain

[stable fog]

let's make a premium tank

tank harimau from Indonesian

This is a sketch I made 2 weeks ago

[copper swan]

and what does harimau mean for your tank naming?

[stable fog]

only the name of the tank in the real world

[safe cedar]

What's tree?

[wary summit]

Definitely not the Chinese tech tree

[lyric copper]

not bad

only problem is the height

[kindred wren]

Reminds me of the Harimau. Nice work

[violet timber]

The 430 would work, but the 432/T-64 both have smoothbore guns, and the T-64 gets composite armor

[wary summit]

What are y'all views on the IS-8?

[violet timber]

Good

[solemn gale]

Hi. Can I post any suggestions here?

[violet timber]

You can

[safe cedar]

the composite armour could be easily omitted and the smoothbore substituted like they did for the T-62.

Regardless the composite armour isn't all-round

[violet timber]

There's a difference between a T-62A and a T-64A. The T-64A did have smoothbore and composite armor, the T-62A didn't have either

[safe cedar]

Yes 5 one-off examples versus the 20,000+ smoothbore armed T-62s.

The 115mm smoothbore is quite literally the defining feature of the T-62.

[violet timber]

It's still a T-62A

The T-62A is a prototype version of the T-62, of course there are going to be differences

[safe cedar]

still I do believe an early version of the T-64 could be a really nice addition to the game. Think like something along the lines of a mix between the superpershing and T-54 mod. 1.

[violet timber]

I think the 430 could be added no problem, any further developments have both composite armor and smoothbore cannons

[safe cedar]

I don't see the problem with substituting those developments tbh. Plus Obj 432 looks way better than obj 430

[violet timber]

Composite armor and smoothbore cannons are the problems

[safe cedar]

Why does it have to be historical? WG can just day there was a variant without either.

[violet timber]

Because if it's not at least semi-historical, why add it at all?

[safe cedar]

Because it could offer a very unique and interesting playstyle

[violet timber]

WG hasn't added anything with composite armor or smoothbore guns, why would they change now?

But the 121 already has the playstyle of Russian style med with big gun

[safe cedar]

Im thinking of something more unique

Think like an IS-3 defender style tank

[violet timber]

That would kind of just be a worse 121 then

Why have a clip with a long intra when you could just get about the same reload but with sustained fire?

[safe cedar]

like 4.5-5s for 420 is incredibly powerful. basically you periodically get extremely high dpm.

[violet timber]

Or you could play the TVP and get more damage in shorter time

Adding a unique tank with a redundant play style doesn’t really add anything

And then there’s the same issue of smoothbore and composite armor

[misty wing]

Why do people act like composite armor and smoothbore guns will have any statistical impact lol

They will both work exactly like other tanks because of the game's mechanics

[violet timber]

because 0 tanks in game have composite armor and smoothbore guns

And if composite armor and smoothbore guns don't matter, why hasn't wg added any yet?

[misty wing]

They obviously just want to keep the game to a certain time period

But if they did want to add a modern tank with composite armor, there's nothing stopping them from just doing it with the same formula and mechanics as regular armor

The current penetration model already doesn't take into consideration the quality of the armor, only the thickness. Why would composite change that

[violet timber]

Because if composite armor doesn’t matter they would have implemented tanks with composite armor

[misty wing]

They probably don't want to upset people by "nerfing" a super strong modern tank so that it can fit into the game

They will eventually do it when they run out of ideas, and I can bet you they will use regular tank mechanics

[violet timber]

I have my doubts That WG will run out of napkin designs

[thorn bane]

70's tanks don't stand a chance against a modern one, Out of the Question

[waxen girder]

they could add the turm 3

[misty wing]

except they'd be taking away everything that makes it modern

[waxen girder]

they already have a game for modern tanks

[misty wing]

also no one was asking for extremely modern tanks, I believe the exact example was the T-64, which I do think can fit in the game, and its prototypes already do

[violet timber]

T-64 doesn't fit into the game, T-62A is a tier 10, T-64 is 2 steps above the the 62A

[misty wing]

that's not how it works lol, the number signifies roughly where development started, so it is only 2 years newer than the t-62

the T-62A is a second-generation MBT, so "two steps above" would actually be the latest T-14 Armata (as a 4th gen)

also, the Object 430 (t-64 prototype) existed on PC as a tier 10 medium for quite some time before it was replaced/removed because it was generally worse than the t-62a and object 140

[violet timber]

Russian tank development is more complicated than that. They tend to develop 2 tanks simultaneously, the mass produced/export model, and their “premium” or domestic model. T-62 is the mass produced model, T-64 is the premium model. And we’re dealing with the T-62A, which is just a prototype T-62. So yes, the T-64 is about 2 steps above the T-62A.

[violet timber]

The 430U is still there, it’s the T-62A That was removed. And I said I was fine with the 430 if you actually read up

[misty wing]

430U is very different from the old 430

[violet timber]

I mean the 430 is still there as well, it’s just a tier 9

[misty wing]

yeah I meant that it was removed from its position as a tier 10

[violet timber]

I’d gladly take the 430

[misty wing]

I mean the T-64 isn't even more modern than some existing tanks in the game

[violet timber]

It really is though, it was designed with cutting edge/experimental technology and was way ahead of it’s time when it came out

[misty wing]

features that won't or can't be applied to the game

[violet timber]

Doesn’t make it any less modern

[misty wing]

or ones that are just numbers easily tweaked in the code

[violet timber]

If you try to tweak the numbers down to get it balanced, you just get the 430 anyways, so why not just settle for the 430?

[misty wing]

because really, if they want to make it unique, it needs to be at least the T-64A model with the 125mm gun
otherwise you have another russian med clone

[violet timber]

I'd love a T-64, but I just don't really see it happening

[misty wing]

they're more likely to add the Object 430U, which is sadly just so much uglier

[violet timber]

I'd prefer a 430, which looks better than the 430U

[misty wing]

it does, but like I said it has the problem of being too similar to the other 100mm soviet meds, which is why it was replaced

if only they can frankenstein the 125mm to that tank or something lol

[violet timber]

Just make it like a heavier variant of the wz-121

[misty wing]

nah it should be more glass cannon tbh, with a bigger alpha and more pen from the 125mm
the 430 was already the smallest of the 3 original soviet meds, it has no reason to be a heavier variant

[violet timber]

They could try something like what they did with the 122TM where they make it maybe a smoothbore but maybe not

[misty wing]

I'm not sure what you mean by that

[plucky summit]

You test the new update before it comes out

[violet timber]

Well the 122TM gun may be smoothbore irl, but they modeled it in as rifled

It's the only gun in game that may or may not be smoothbore

[misty wing]

I want the WZ-122-4

oh yeah there was a popup art or something that had the Bz-75 in it, don't know if anyone noticed

[iron willow]

Op keiler

[safe cedar]

you realize T-62 is a really trash tank right? it was regarded as hardly superior to T-54.

I mean in a historical context for the time

[violet timber]

T-62 was basically just a lengthened T-54 with a larger gun

[safe cedar]

Essentially, and fyi the WZ-122 is smoothbore

[violet timber]

The 122TM may have been rifled

[misty wing]

Don't guns have to be smoothbore to fire missiles

[violet timber]

Documentation on it’s gun is iffy

[safe cedar]

the technology on the T-64 wasn't particularly stunning in the individual components. However the Soviet union managed to combine many Innovative features into a system that worked together and be mass produced.

from a technical perspective the most advanced thing would be the engine or "kharkov miracle".

[violet timber]

Yes, but it has 4 separate Missile launchers

[violet timber]

Looking at what it had to face, it was pretty advanced

[safe cedar]

The only other rifled 120mm available would have been the cheiftans 120mm rifled gun, it's highly unlikely China would have had access to such equipment.

[violet timber]

They could’ve developed their own. As I said, documentation doesn’t really say wether it was rifled or smoothbore

[misty wing]

I know that, it was a more general question not specific to the 122TM because iirc eastern countries were quite high on shooting missiles out of tank barrels

[safe cedar]

given the context of the Chinese cultural revolution, it's highly unlikely China developed a completely indigenous 120mm rifled gun, rather they likely bored out a 115mm gun.

[violet timber]

The argument could be made for either side, seeing as you could argue that if it was smoothbore, why have 4 separate Missile launchers when you could just use the gun? But I digress. I don’t have enough evidence for either side of the coin

[safe cedar]

my assumption is those are wired guided and would have probably been used to hit tanks while remaining behind cover.

[violet timber]

They were indeed wire guided afaik

[safe cedar]

What would you think if WG added a tank inbetween the obj 430 & obj 432. Under the guise it was the prototype testbed for the autoloader system.

[violet timber]

I could see that happening tbh, and wouldn’t be surprised if something like that was actually developed at one point

[safe cedar]

It likely was at somepoint, given as functioning autoloaders don't just appear out of nowhere.

What gun do you think would be most suitably affixed to this hypothetical tank?
I was thinking the 122mm M-62-T2 would be a good option.

[misty wing]

Autoloading M62-T2

[safe cedar]

I don't see why not, obviously it would have to be a version with shortened shell casings thought.

[dusty loom]

Replace the E4s cupolar with the E3s so that it is actually better than the T30

[misty wing]

the e4 is not meant to be extremely well armored

[wary summit]

Pic goes hard ngl

[dusty loom]

Neither is the e3 Or the T30 Or the T28 prot

[misty wing]

no lol

[dusty loom]

exactly

[misty wing]

??

[dusty loom]

They are TDs

[misty wing]

the entire E3 line are designed around having insane armor lol

[dusty loom]

The e4 line is quite armoured too

Its unrealistic and unfair

[misty wing]

they're meant to be able to get some bounces, but not on heavy tank level

[violet timber]

E3 is quite well armored…

[dapper aspen]

Guys , what bundle is more worth it ? The double French for 11000 or the Bourasque/Type57 with 3 mystery boxes for 17500?

[dusty loom]

I would pay £1000 to see the E 50 be removed from game files

[misty wing]

why lmao

[thorn folio]

Chinese lights are another failure of a tech tree. Change my mind.

[dapper violet]

meh, they're cool and unique

[grim shell]

all chinese lights should have lttb mobility tbh

[misty wing]

why do you think so (I don't really disagree)

[thorn folio]

Their mobility is at the bottom of the barrel while having bad gun handling for a light tank, and bad accuracy as well as lower end pen stats, all while the tier 9 and 10 are the only two that have the unique mechanic of lower spot time and the only two that actually have the high dpm.
All while they all have God awful gun depression and lower than average reverse speeds.

I just don't see why you'd play this line over any of the others.

[thorn folio]

They honestly just feel like tiny squishy mediums with bad vun handling

[misty wing]

I don't think the mechanic is even that good. Or at least not good enough to warrant the poor gun handling, 5 degs of gun depression, terrible standard pen, and poor mobility for a light

I've only played the tier 10 though, and the battlepass Wind

[valid gale]

The past recent gimmicks have been pretty poor especially for tech trees the Italian Tds were just awful except the T8 it’s weird how the lights are geared to use the 7 second spot to it’s advantage yet the playerbase it’s obviously trying to attract isn’t buying it because of its horrible stats

[hollow crag]

What’s a fun and easy line to grind?

For my first t10

[misty wing]

Maybe the Kran or 60tp

[copper swan]

so you guys think the wz 132-1 line is underwhelming

[hollow crag]

Is it quick to grind?

[thorn folio]

Yes.

[misty wing]

@violet timber if you think the T-64 is 2 steps ahead of the T-62, then how many steps do you think are between the IS series

[violet timber]

Oh boy

[misty wing]

yes, that's the reason I suggested the kran because the tanks don't have many modules to research

[violet timber]

IS and IS-2 are generally pretty similar, the only real differences being the guns between different variants. For simplicities sake, I’ll just say and 122mm variant was a step above the rest. Then you get the IS-3 which was quite strong, a step above the 122mm IS/IS-2 tanks. IS-4 was developed around the same time, but lost out in trials iirc, so it’ll go on the same step. IS-5 was basically just an IS-3, IS-6 was pretty much on the same level, so the next real development came with the IS-7. Fast, armored, and a punchy 130mm? A step above IS-3-IS-6 tanks. And I’d put IS-8/9/10 on the same level as the IS-7, so All in all youre looking at about 4-5 steps between the IS series

I say 5 steps because I completely forgot to mention IS-8 modernization projects, which makes these projects a step above the IS-7/8 step

[misty wing]

yeah T-10M vs the regular T-10 might honestly be the biggest jump lol, if the M62-T2 vs D-25T had as big of a gap IRL as it does in game

[hollow crag]

Thanks I’ll start grinding now!

[misty wing]

also isn't the IS-5 an IS-8 prototype

[violet timber]

Yes

[eager python]

I want to buy is 5

[misty wing]

only buy it if you're a f2p/very low spender and can't get anything else

[valid gale]

Is7 was the soviets greatest tank until the T series would mature

For a few obvious reasons it didn’t enter any service but for the time it was ridiculously impressive

[eager python]

I am both

[eager python]

Because it was expensive?

[valid gale]

It debuted exactly when the arms race started to kick off no doubt it was expensive but trials showcased it was worth to the soviets minus one prototype caught fire and failed to put it out in testing but ultimately the official reason it wasn’t used was never said

[eager python]

They reasoned it wasn't used and never said? What the hell does that mean

[wary summit]

It was probably largely due to logistical issues to it being... Large. It was a massive chonker around 70 tonnes. Remember issues with transporting the King Tiger? Yeah Soviet trackbeds could only manage 55 tons and so are the bridges. Can't remember if the Soviets had snorkeling device back then.

[warm kraken]

Tutel :v

[ashen palm]

E100 or MAUS

What is better

[vast elk]

E100

[vital shoal]

What he said

[supple bone]

E100

[limber berry]

E100

[vast elk]

Maus says so

[solid gate]

Bat chat 25t or wz 132 1?

[solid gate]

I can use tips too because I am almost out of things to buy

[thorn bane]

Maus

[fleet berry]

☠_LucifersChiefPriest__☠[E-100]#6781 was muted

[heavy badge]

I prefer Maus

[kind flicker]

It will take a long time to unlock the ability to buy it, but you can buy it after for 1.5k gold

[fluid kestrel]

why am i in the mud? on Russian server??

[solid gate]

T95 must be very strong, an opponent difficult to face on the battlefield

[kind flicker]

Lol easy to circle and perma track

[dapper violet]

Get closer and roof it

[solid gate]

It depends on which item, if shielding the two are good, because their armor is a monster, without cancellation and ignoring the fact of having angle on the upper front of the hull

Since angulation on the front increases effective armor, adding the angulation is virtually impenetrable to the top front

[stuck mango]

t44 playstyle?

[plucky summit]

That doesn’t matter, as no sane person doesn’t just try to hit the round (therefore impossible to angle) cupolas

[plucky summit]

Actually, looking back on this now, it wasn’t powercrept
It was nerfed 6 feet under

[stiff cape]

I had to show this. Footage inside of a T64 that shows you what it's like to load it. Thought you guys might like this. And leave me alone moderators, this is on topic.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8uWXl8Vdoe8?feature=share

So this is what it's like to actually load this tank from inside of it, what the view looks like and what the mechanism looks like. I thought this was really fascinating! It also looks like a lot of little parts that can go wrong very easily.

I wonder how often these things break.....
(That's a serious question)

[lyric copper]

well theyre made to be rugged, and to be used by conscripts that were rushed to the front after a few hours of training

any military equipment that breaks easily isnt military equipment

[violet timber]

The T-64 was actually made to be Russia’s “premium” tank for the time, so they would’ve made it as reliable as possible

[stiff cape]

But look at all those little metal pieces.... One slip of the hand, and it looks like any number of them could easily bend out of place

[lyric copper]

probably not all of them are needed

[stiff cape]

Like say you're loading a shell, and you slip and the shell hits that metal piece sticking up right in the front. Couldn't it just bend it out of place and cause the autoloader to get stuck?

[lyric copper]

if so, you bring out the classic hammer

[stiff cape]

Lol

[stiff cape]

So basically the old logic of, when in doubt hit it with a hammer?

[lyric copper]

yep

[stuck mango]

?

[stiff cape]

Sounds like my step dad trying to fix a doorknob. He once hammered a screwdriver into a doorknob trying to fix it until it got stuck and broke the doorknob. If he has a tool in his hand everyone will immediately tell him to put it down before he breaks something. If he ever got his hands on a screwdriver, I would fully expect to come home and find a crashed plane, dozens dead, half the neighborhood on fire.....

I'm not even sure how the plane would even crash.... But he would find a way, and that's why it's so scary if he gets his hands on a tool.

[lyric copper]

hulldown, do not stay still. use the 100mm with the highest pen

know the difference between overextending and pushing an advantage

[stiff cape]

☝️ This. Yes, good advice. Don't overextend. I see people doing this all the time simply because they're impatient.

Patience grasshoppa

[stuck mango]

dont know man folk can pen u from the turret, even without gold. kinda frustrating.

as a rule of thumb ive always played that way, given the way the med line is shaped, but this tier 8 do be on another universe

[lyric copper]

ooh rookie mistake, relying on armour

[stiff cape]

Very few people understand the art of playing mind games in this game to get your enemy to come to you. It definitely works. I've done it many times. Gotta tease them, frustrate them.

[stuck mango]

yea maybe dont go tell people to head hulldown

[lyric copper]

peek, shoot, pull back

relying on armour is death. If you stay out whilst hulldown, you are inviting enemy fire

[stiff cape]

And just stay hulled down while they expose themselves and overextend. Then you got them.

I've killed so many players doing this. It definitely works.

[stuck mango]

oh nah im not staying still. ive had my bunch of experience from the sta1

[lyric copper]

and plus, staying hulldown as much as possible reduces the area they can shoot

[stuck mango]

while I could do my back n forth thing penning others also seems impossible

[lyric copper]

then you should know not to expose at all when you dont have a shot

run GLD and Vtabs

[stiff cape]

Most players don't pick up on the fact that most of the players in this game are impatient, because they themselves are impatient too. When you can learn how to be patient and hull down, and tease and learn how to break the patience of your enemy in this game, you can get them to stop hulling down and completely expose themselves. I've taught a few players this and their scores improved. It's more of a character building exercise, and learning how to tease an enemy.

[violet timber]

Hulldown is the strongest position

[stuck mango]

not in a t44

[lyric copper]

or try this. Since the T-44 (like many other Soviet MTs for some reason) has quite good dispersion factors when on the move. Aim your gun in the general direction of the opponent, peek out, often times you have a small window of time to aim in extra, which means most shots fired will connect

[stuck mango]

needs a tad more laser accuracy thing on your behalf if you stick to hulldown
if otherwise try risk your situational awareness on the map by flanking

[violet timber]

It is for any tank. Making 70% of your tank invincible due to the ground is incredibly strong

[lyric copper]

? bro it has .317 and pretty impressive gun handling to boot

[stuck mango]

doesnt mean it always works. not when you have someone challenging to pen. rarely ever it works the way you mentioned

[lyric copper]

and also, hulldown in any tank, regardless of what it is, hides a massive chunk of your tank

if you have someone thats more challenging to pen, the first thing you should be doing is not engaging them

do not take fights you know you cannot win

[light canopy]

Bro M 7 yoh aim is horrible

[stuck mango]

how come it always do be that way. must be silly to pick on lights n wait for a miracle to pop out when it comes to meds

[light canopy]

Please fix it like fr

[lyric copper]

being a player who has the skill to pick fights is a useful skill you know

@light canopy cry about it, heavies deserve downsides

[violet timber]

How dare a Tier 7 Heavy tank Not Be broken!!!!!

[stuck mango]

yea except I can't pick any with it

aint no skill issue if the point of the tank is to be on the third line

[lyric copper]

read the enemy lineup. are there any tanks you know you will struggle against? Consider the map. Can you use a position in this map to your advantage?

[stuck mango]

i know youre trying your best to help me out and i won't reject your aid in that regard. i know my go to when it comes to hulldown positions. I'm well aware that i wont fare right against a say pershing or more tanks. but at that point it all boils down to a retreat which outcome seems pretty obvious

[plucky summit]

Oh. Pershing.

[stuck mango]

its either that or getting sniped by TDs while rushing my way to the heavies, blue red pill typa thing

[lyric copper]

not really a problem...

[plucky summit]

Pershing is only a real threat if you also have a 90mm, where it'll out-DPM you

[stuck mango]

yea the point of mentioning the pershing was its build-up, many tanks like it are somewhat fit for hulldown, other meds definetly fare better in that context

meanwhile ive seen an amx penning my gun mantlet

[lyric copper]

thats why you take caution whilst peeking

most tanks can pen the STA-1 mantlet too you know?

[stuck mango]

u know

the sta1 has its handful of pen
t44 kinda aint into that

[lyric copper]

it also has a worse time due to the massive cupola, and weaker overall armour, meaning the only place an STA-1 can bounce shells on its turret is on the edges of the mantlet, compared to the T-44 which has the turret sides at least

[plucky summit]

T-44 is just bad, trade for what you can

[lyric copper]

It may be, but there are still ways you can extract as much potential out of the tank as possible

[stuck mango]

which is why i wouldn't be that angered if I played the sta. expected a tad more from the t44

[lyric copper]

btw, are you new?

[stuck mango]

year of playing, u consider it the way u want

[lyric copper]

battle count, i need a battle count

[stuck mango]

over 5k

[lyric copper]

seems like you came fully outta BMM, which means games are harder due to enemy players punishing you harder than bots can

[plucky summit]

Due to players punishing you at all

[stuck mango]

not into acryonyms, what does bmm stand for

[violet timber]

Bot match making

[stuck mango]

dont know man, doesnt seem like a good argument. the tank kinda discourages a lotta stuff and I'm not even rushing my way in most of the time

either way, ill have to get through it. i thank yall for your advices

[lyric copper]

yes, but tanks like the RU 251 have utterly no armour, and the 251 itself has very poor pen, 180mm on its standard shell. yet people still can be an utter menace in the thing. you just have to find what works on the T-44.

[stuck mango]

pretty sure the ru's quite agile. gives it more flexibility. dpm also is on its side, hence it gives it plenty of momentum

[plucky summit]

ON a tank that's like a 5 shot to mostly everyone else

[lyric copper]

yet most of the time it cannot use its DPM. you simply look at it, and it often cowers in cover

[stuck mango]

kind of anecdotal

[lyric copper]

it also has to wrestle with an unusual gun depression shape. over the front, its -7. over the sides, its -10.

[plucky summit]

If it doesn't, it dies, sooooo

[lyric copper]

a similar thing happens to the Leo PT A and Leo 1.

look at them, and their ability to play the game at all, is highly reduced

[stuck mango]

would still come in handy, the t44 is an incredibly orthodox-ish tank when it comes to playstyle

[lyric copper]

at least the T-44 has some armour to use

you'd be quite surprised at how many random bounces it actually gets

[stuck mango]

imo, its placed poorly

[lyric copper]

perhaps yes, maybe a buff to the mantlet would serve well, but again, relying on armour doesnt work at all

[wary summit]

Yikes

[stuck mango]

sure that

[lyric copper]

also, the T-44 teaches more of the T-62A playstyle, not the T-54's.

also, save lots of free exp for the T-54. You do not want to suffer with 175mm pen in tier 9, playing against heavies, some of which cant be penned from the side....

[stuck mango]

oh yea I kept some free XP

[lyric copper]

no like lots lots.

iirc you'd need enough to the point you could research the T-54 twice over (without any research discounts) to get the top modules

it is possibly the worst stock tier 9 medium ever.

[stuck mango]

u sure? without the tracks and the 140 gun (or the 62a one) thats like 120k. looks kinda playable with turret, gun n engine

[plucky summit]

Every heavy can be penned from the side by 175mm .-.

[lyric copper]

maus:

[plucky summit]

For Maus you just don't need the side, just the track wheel

[lyric copper]

true

[plucky summit]

If they'd just buff the Maus's 80mm plate, it would actually be favorable to sidescrape in x-x

[lyric copper]

well do you have 120k free exp?

[stuck mango]

yea man im good

[plucky summit]

Well, T-54 is OP against tier 8s, armor-wise, so go crazy

[lyric copper]

aight, its all good then

you do not have to suffer like some have before you

aka 2014-2016 players who couldnt get free exp as easilly

[thorn pond]

best t9 med, don't want anyone to change my mind

[plucky summit]

It's just overcooked, they had no business buffing the UFP

[lyric copper]

surprisingly, the T-54 cant pen its UFP with its own gun at range

[plucky summit]

Many cannot

[lyric copper]

ofc, in a facehug, it can

[thorn pond]

cuz it's looking down

[plucky summit]

You'll have to watch for updates in #community-news , because I don't know any more than others

I take it that there will be rewards for the sake of getting people to watch along, but probably not great ones

[granite obsidian]

Helloo

[tulip knot]

Honestly the top gun pen isnt great either

[arctic prism]

Leopard

what do you think german

[eager python]

How exactly can I buy it after 1.5k gold?

[thorny smelt]

Level 10 personal and clan supply. Assuming you haven't joined a clan yet.

[eager python]

Oh I wasn't aware

[kind flicker]

you need to eran around 4 mil xp in total for all levels

[eager python]

I am in clan which us progressing at level 10

[thorny smelt]

That's good. How about your personal supply?

[eager python]

Eran? You mean supply

[kind flicker]

earn

[eager python]

I don't know. Gotta check

[eager python]

Alright thanks man

[kind flicker]

im about 1 mil from being able to buy it at 1900 battles

[eager python]

How much time will it take time

[kind flicker]

depends on how much you play

for me ive bin grinding for maybe 6-7months so far

[solid gate]

What is the best armored tank in the game?

[earnest pine]

Any useful tips for them

Here's the list

[plucky summit]

It really depends what you mean, because tanks can either be very armored generally, requiring premium shells to penetrate, but become paper when they use them, or tanks where in some places, both standard and premium shells cannot penetrate, but there are also places where standard shells can penetrate

[plucky summit]

First, I suggest using free experience to max out the tank modules first (please tell me you didn't just get the tank with free XP)

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit no I just grind it to get 10mil credits

[plucky summit]

I mean how did you access the tank?

Did you spend combat XP for them or free XP?

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit I spend it using combat xp also the matchmaking is literally pain

[plucky summit]

So you grinded every single tier 5 before those tanks...?

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit yes absolutely yes😬😬

[plucky summit]

That's quite odd. I've never found a player that would grind up to buying a tier 6, then just moving on to grind for another tier 6
Hard to believe, really

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit grinding a tier 4 to tier 5 is easy 😥 grinding a tier 5 to tier 6 is not that bad 😢 while grinding a tier 6 to tier 7 is very hard😭

[plucky summit]

Well, first, you should probably get acquainted to the practice of sidescraping of going hulldown

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit I mean using obj 244 is the perfect side scraping while the Skoda t-45 is a bit good of side scrapper

[plucky summit]

I'd argue that Skoda is better at it

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit hold on sec is Skoda tanks are the best side scraping

[plucky summit]

No, many can argue that Tiger II, E75, and E100 are some of the best sidescraping tanks

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit is there any best side scraping American, Russian and British tanks

[thorny smelt]

Chrysler K

[earnest pine]

@thorny smelt too expensive any researchable tanks?

[thorny smelt]

No

[earnest pine]

@thorny smelt welp the match makers are gonna ruin it

[thorny smelt]

Russian? The IS-4 line are side-scrapers.

[plucky summit]

There are no tech tree US tanks made to sidescrape, though T29, T32, and T110E5 can try
The best Russian sidescraper is IS-4
The best British sidescraper is Black Prince, as the higher tiers struggle to sidescrape

[thorny smelt]

KV-4 is a good side-scraping tank even though it is a bit overshadowed by its hunky sibling, KV-5.

[wise moth]

Don’t sidescrape in anything short of a super heavy. It’s a potato tactic

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit I have tier 6 churchill but I have to grind another million credits

[plucky summit]

Let's just focus on maxing out the tanks that you already have

[earnest pine]

@wise moth what is the potato tactic

[wise moth]

Sidescraping. It’s just letting the enemy shoot you for no reason

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit Roger Roger

[plucky summit]

Mostly the Germans are the ones that can actually sidescrape. Keiler, a tier 8 premium, is a great sidescraper

[wise moth]

This isn’t WoT PC. People have hitskins in this game. If they can pen you, they’re going to shoot you. And if they can’t pen you, they’re going to hold their shot until they can

[thorny smelt]

Prammo-fest in WoT PC

[earnest pine]

Thank you I guess although the match makers are trying prevent me getting the super hellcat

[plucky summit]

I mean, prammo is quite prevalent in Blitz, and they get hitskins too

[plucky summit]

I wouldn't stake that claim unless you're doing great amounts of damage yet losing

[earnest pine]

@plucky summit 😭😭😭

[plucky summit]

You're part of your team, don't separate yourself so easily when your team loses

[thorny smelt]

Me who 99.9999999% doesn't use prammo and got this:

[plucky summit]

I'm not saying it is completely required for every tank

It's still used a lot, especially since Blitz is extremely forgiving with credits

[thorny smelt]

Yeah....

[wise moth]

Well, with Blitz, at least there’s an additional damage penalty now to using prammo. In old Blitz/current PC, you could fire prammo with the same alpha as standard. So on tanks like 50 B and IS-7, I just loaded up full APCRs lol

[thorny smelt]

And WoT PC does the opposite

[plucky summit]

Does the opposite of what

[thorny smelt]

The AP and prammo dealt the same damage

[plucky summit]

The opposite implies that prammo gets more damage ._.

[wary summit]

HESH and PB-46A

[stiff cedar]

it would be nice if they add this italian tank destroyer

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/semovente-m41m-da-90-53/

[heavy badge]

is it true that the most tanks in the game never exist?

[plucky summit]

Many tanks

[violet timber]

Most tanks did have at least blueprints

[ripe valve]

Outside of blueprints/designs and concepts, no. Some were lucky enough to be prototypes, but never actually put service.

[balmy compass]

no way we can have another premium waffle tank but it's Italian

[lofty scarab]

Yo I need some help ngl

[tulip knot]

With what?

[dusty loom]

Nerf the TVP already its so fcking simple just do it

When i go in battle i see clowns everywhere and monkeys playing TVP and clipping me

And i can't do anything about it since they ALWAYS chase me down

[violet timber]

Well, they won't nerf it since it is statistically balanced, by having lower than average wr but higher than average damage

[lilac mica]

4005:

[dark schooner]

I need to know why the smv line is unironically better with the single shot gun instead of the autoloader

[velvet flicker]

why do the italian tds take 7 months to load a magazine, wg made such a useless tank mechanic whos gonna wait 26 seconds to reload a shot that does a low 400 dmg

[kindred wren]

Yes, you are not meant to shoot it except it‘s an emergency or you are about to die

[hidden gorge]

Skill issue

[dark schooner]

Because you aren’t meant to clip dump with the tank

[dusty loom]

1v1 then

[hidden gorge]

Asking for 1v1s in a 7v7 game yea you really do have skill issue buddy

[plucky summit]

I'll gladly

[hidden gorge]

Just play tvp

[opaque flicker]

What would the T-100 heavy be like in WOTB?

Just an oversized replacement for the T-35, slowly crawling across a battlefield

How much health would it need to make up for its huge armor profile?

[plucky summit]

I take it that it has 60mm of hull armor

[opaque flicker]

Looks like this, so it might have what looks like a KV-1 type front armor profile, and the rest is just sloped nightmare

Assuming the top turret is the dominant one, this tank will have barely any gun depression considering the height, any small tank can hug up against it

Short barrel so it probably doesn't have a lot of range, also appears to be a smaller caliber, maybe 57mm but that's just based off of image alone

It'll obviously be lower tier, probably a quick reload, good HP for its size, maybe tier V as a rare collectable?

It's pretty much a worse, taller, more challenged KV-1.

Unless that's a T-60 front hull type design?

[valid gale]

So basically no reason to add it

[opaque flicker]

Thats why I'm asking "what would it be like", I'm all for new tanks but I feel like a heavy tank with no armor is just.. Tog II

[plucky summit]

Tog II has some armor

[opaque flicker]

Some but not alot, I've never really bounced a Tog II

Unless I'm playing Vk.16 Leo, then yeah that's the only tank I've bounced a Tog II in for obvious reasons

[plucky summit]

The only problem with TOG II*’s armor is the 25mm plate behind the track wheels, allowing a track + damage combo for any tier 5 tank and up

[opaque flicker]

I had no idea that existed, I could've done so much more in the Leopard

[plucky summit]

Other than that, TOG is really beefy

[opaque flicker]

Yeah the T-100 is just a Soviet Tog II with a worse gun

But hey I like talking about tanks so I enjoyed my time here

[wary summit]

TOG's purpose is really being a meatbag that can shred other tanks

Assuming they come to you

[warped mortar]

Pop up offer for T59, 5k gold, worth it?

[plucky summit]

No

[tulip knot]

They’d probably give it 280 alpha if it was a tier 5 or 160 as a tier 4

[safe cedar]

M4 Fl/10 could honestly use some love.
If WG just changed the terrain resistance to 100 (1.0), Buffed handling to .1/.1/.6, and gave it à .02 dispersion buff it would be really nice.

[wary summit]

Fellow M4/FL10 enjoyer

[safe cedar]

mhm, The hidden French tonk.
Honestly the coolest thing about it is its the only French tank with autoreloader and it has kewl white base colour, which makes every camo look amazing on it.

[violet timber]

M4/FL10 is pretty nice

[safe cedar]

It definitely is. it could just use abit more accuracy imo to make it more comfortable. Its actually pretty decent regardless.

[long hearth]

KV1s vs VK36 which one is better

[tiny summit]

A

[long hearth]

KV1S?

[tiny summit]

yes

[long hearth]

Why tho, the 122mm gun?

[tiny summit]

it plays like a medium tank a little bit

[thin sandal]

59 patton pop up offer for 5k gold is it worth to buy?

[tiny summit]

yesh

[long hearth]

Oh she is fast I forgot, How about armor since her firepower is massive

[tiny summit]

it's one of those tanks where you use it for the gun not ze armor

[long hearth]

I see, Does she get the almost same armor to KV1?

[tiny summit]

the hull yes the turret no

[long hearth]

Okay then, I want to get IS-7 real quick

[tiny summit]

oh fudge that why ye gets it

[long hearth]

Yes :))

[tiny summit]

word of advice

don't even think about not getting the IS-7

[long hearth]

That's why, may the hand of stalin guides your shells

[tiny summit]

they one of the easiest to ammorack

[long hearth]

Imagine getting instant kill

[tiny summit]

183 gang

[long hearth]

Soviet bias, noice

[tiny summit]

yea just get the other thing

[long hearth]

Which one tho?, brain lag

[tiny summit]

VK 36.01 H

[long hearth]

Aight

[tiny summit]

it lead to E 100 (alot better)

[long hearth]

Okay then

[tiny summit]

maus but bigger gun

[long hearth]

Wait, aren't KV1S can go for IS-4?

[tiny summit]

idk

[long hearth]

Actually I want to get both a Soviet and German, but dk which one to grind first, but I guess VK would be the first one

[tiny summit]

ye want a soviet get one of the td's

[long hearth]

Got some SU already tbh , real fun

[tiny summit]

oke then

[long hearth]

Thanks mate

[tiny summit]

🇦🇺

[thorny smelt]

Yes. Both IS-4 and IS-7

[eager python]

Obj 263

[frail dagger]

Best nation fr

[tough summit]

Can't the 183 not get some armor? You're always picked first while being a huge target bruh

[plucky summit]

It's almost like you have a massive alpha that people need to get rid of as soon as possible

[wet prism]

No, If you want Armor Play jgE100

[compact hearth]

It's perfectly balanced.

[fervent mauve]

That's the price to pay for it's mighty gun

[dapper aspen]

Guys , I’ve seen some videos on YT about Type 57 but makes me bit confused. Is it a decent tank ? Ive seen the bundle with bourrasque and it’s looks attractive with the double gold offer in my shop. 22 euro for the 2 tanks it would be total

It also has 3 mystery boxes included , just as an extra

Normally I see it ingame for 36 but in gold it’s 17k and my ingame offer on gold says 8.5x2 for 22 euro so that would cost me for the bundle. Is that a decent deal ?

[vast elk]

Type 57 is not a great tank. There are several others which can do it's job, but better.

[dapper aspen]

So it’s not such a good deal ?

Bourrasque good but type 57 not that much ?

[median snow]

qonqueror need 8 gun depresion

[hard mauve]

Is skoda t56 worth buying for gold?

[dapper aspen]

I’ve heared yes

You seen it somewhere ?

[hard mauve]

No I'm just waiting for it to come up in the store for gold

[long hearth]

Ay bro, sorry for asking again, but why you reccomended KV1s at the first place before I tell you I want to grind IS-7?

So if I just chillin at tier 6, the KV1s is better?

[wary summit]

The KV and VK plays very different for being in the same class

KV-1S priorities the alpha and mobility, the ability to slap nearly half of lights/meds/tds HP and 1/3 of heavy HP is no laughing matter. The mobility can help you get out of tight situations. Armour will fall apart as everything can pen you and the KV-2 can probably HE the lower plate. So do play this tank carefully

The VK36 is being a solid mobile brick with a good gun. Most tier 6 can only pen you with premium shells except for tds and Fireflies. You can essentially frontline but do be careful when you're facing off an ARL. Learn how to sidescrape and hulldown with this beast.

[tepid stump]

It's a little pricey for a decent tank, coming in at an average of 15k gold for a full bundle(I think). Though I personally think it's pretty decent

[long hearth]

How about the Gun, I can straight get the 8,8cm kwk gun

[wary summit]

The 88mm on the VK36? Yeah that's the cracked gun

[long hearth]

So, about the playstyle, I just have to show my front armor the whole time or angle a bit etc?

[wary summit]

Some angling would do fine

[long hearth]

Aight thanks, can't wait for getting tiger :D

[wary summit]

Make sure you have enough exp to research the modules for the Tigers like the turret and gun. You do not want to play it stock

[onyx raven]

Can Japan get some more premiums? They only have 3 right now. One of those there will never be sold, one is extremely overpriced, and one is a forgettable tier 8. There are quite a few vehicles that Japan could get as premiums, too.

[kind flicker]

But they do have a lot of collectors

[onyx raven]

Not really. They have 2 collector tanks.

[kind flicker]

20 tech tree
3 premium
7 collectors

[onyx raven]

So what are the collectors?

The only Japanese collector tanks I’ve seen are the Ke-Ni and Ke-Ho

[balmy compass]

The GuP tanks

[onyx raven]

Oh yeah, those exist (I have rarely seen them in combat)

They also fall into the same boat as the Ke-Ni Otsu because they’re never going to be obtainable again.

[violet timber]

Are you saying the Type 57 is forgettable?

[wary summit]

Hell even in PC the Japanese prems are pretty scarce.

Pretty sure there were rumours about Blitz getting the STA-2, never knew what happened to that

[obsidian mirage]

You maybe forget about Chinu kai

[thick trout]

They come back into the store roughly every year as a bundle with a load of avatars and other junk or as individual tanks

[onyx raven]

Compared to something like the 252U and Shark? Yes.

[violet timber]

It’s definitely better than the 252U lol

252U is only memorable because all the noobs praise it

[onyx raven]

It’s still very good, and better off than the Type

[violet timber]

252U is a noob tank, it doesn’t really hold up against anyone who can actually aim, and the gun sucks. Type 57 is more flexible and has the better gun by far

[thick trout]

The main way the type stands above the 252 is because of the gun depression, 3° is a big difference

[balmy compass]

Type 57 looks cooler

[quasi mirage]

y play 183 when you can play tvp. Reliable accurate gun with leopard mobility and a bit more armor.

[kind flicker]

No really??? Those are collector not premiums

[hard mauve]

Anyone has an idea when skoda t56 is gonna appear in the store?

[tiny summit]

gun

[pastel glacier]

What do you guys think is the best medium line overall especially if I want to have a T5 credit farmer?

Started japanese line but it seems very squishy. However I had the tier 8 medium on wot and it was very good from the japan line.

[kind flicker]

best t5 credit farmer is chi nu kai

[onyx raven]

No tier 5 meds are good for credit farming save for the Chi-Nu Kai, which is a premium that costs extortion-level amounts of money to buy.

[misty wing]

No, the type is better than the 252U

[solid gate]

KV-1 when you go to the gym

[solid gate]

Really interesting, this AAPS should give a lot of damage

[solid gate]

When it arrives from the gym, the KV-1 looks like this XD

[long hearth]

That's right, anyway thanks for the tips, now I blocked like 2-3k damage everytime I play XD

[long hearth]

I just grinded tiger with normal xp in less than one day , yet don't have any silver

[kind flicker]

i grinded 268 full in 1 day

[median snow]

[wary summit]

Good to hear,and keep it up

[solid gate]

Guys whats the best play style for the jagd e100

[lunar lake]

peekaboom and hulldown while angling/wiggling

[dapper aspen]

Good morning all , is that 59 Patton good ? It’s 6,99 now I see

[limpid ether]

Average

[dapper aspen]

So better take double gold for 6,99 and buy something better ?

Oh it’s 8,99 for double gold 🙄

[lost nexus]

Hello. Im kinda new here. Getting my 1st t10 tanks.. working on Maus and Emil line.. exp farming isnt any real problem, but silver is crazy. Which bring the question? What is best/top3 premium t8 to farm silver with?
Also best premium/free t8/t10 to play tourneys with?

[plain wren]

Lowe,t34,bisonte c45 too

[plain wren]

Easy choice: lowe

[dim dagger]

T54e2 maybe

[lost nexus]

Yeah. Tyvm. Kinda waiting something pops up in shop

[thorn bane]

Jagdtiger 8.8

[long hearth]

Ay, how to nonactivate this 5× XP certificate, it's sad to see this certificate wasted

[thorny smelt]

You can't

[plain wren]

When a tier x light premium will come

[long hearth]

They should add that nonactive button ngl

[solid gate]

Bro i suck at this game

[solid gate]

so a budget grille

[brittle atlas]

is the t26e3 eagle 7 good at making money?

or the progetto 46,

[misty wing]

Another update with no Chinese tank pbr

[safe cedar]

No, it's bad, avoid it.

[hard mauve]

Anyone knows when skoda t56 is gonna aappear in the store?

[safe cedar]

Likely in late march-april.

[lyric oriole]

59 Patton is pretty good

For tier 8 medium standards I guess but it's still good

[untold fog]

buff the batchat

[balmy compass]

no specific given
we will buff the track module HP by 700

[safe cedar]

Lol, no that would be too good. Instead we will decrease the chance of getting set on fire by 1%.

[solid gate]

Hey! Sorry to bother, should I go for the LTG or the LTTB?

[lyric copper]

LTTB

[uneven mantle]

Lttb

[inland osprey]

Should I run vents or calibrated shells for the 2 top tier Italian TDs?

[tepid stump]

Calibrated shells are probably the better option, vents barely affect anything

[inland osprey]

aight

[tepid stump]

LTG for fun, Lttb for grinding

[tidal hawk]

I am having trouble with the Foch 155 the third consumable is not working-- anyone else have this problem?

[plucky summit]

What third consumable, may I ask?

[solid gate]

bruh i got this from the weekly lootbox

[wispy seal]

Lucky

[wary summit]

Lucky dog

[wispy seal]

Luck issue?

[wary summit]

Not very versed with idioms I see

Not surprising

[halcyon lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-stare-sad-gif-25128049

[dark schooner]

lowe, good armor, good gun, good gun depression, and a fair bit of hitpoints

[safe cedar]

Obj 252u is legendary because of pc.

[solid gate]

Guys idk what to go for is-4 or is-7?

[wary summit]

Go for the IS-7 line first

After gaining a good number of exp, then venture to the IS-4 line

[solid gate]

But is better compared to is-4?

[plucky summit]

Yes

[solid gate]

Perfect then ty a lot

[plucky summit]

[solid gate]

How do I equip an IS-8?

[glass fable]

Really? Ace with crusader?

[lyric oriole]

The only thing correct about this statement is good gun

[dark schooner]

oh..

[lyric oriole]

1 1 1
2 2 2
1 2 1

[glass fable]

Shall i keep xp for e75 or research ix cannon?

[hollow notch]

Get the gun

[glass fable]

Mmm sure?

[dapper violet]

get the gun... you'll be using it on the e75 for a while I think

[leaden epoch]

You sure thing can retake jerusalem

[plucky summit]

Mfw heavy tank doesn't have "fair bit of hitpoints"
Average for a heavy, 1800 in a range of 1700-1850
1900-1950 being 100 and 168

The armor is good, but you'll need to know how to use it, especially now that the turret isn't as troll anymore

[final vapor]

Is BC bourasque worth it for 12.5k gold?

[wary summit]

No. Wait till it goes down to the normal tier 8 price and not tier 10 levels

[halcyon lotus]

bc bourrasque is an amazing tank, but you need map and situational awareness. also the price is kinda meh

[final vapor]

I do good in lights and meds imo, the snappy nature of bourasque is something I also really like

[halcyon lotus]

still, i recommend waiting for a cheaper price

if you really want the tank, get it (unless it’s a horrible tank)

[dark schooner]

I just clutched so hard

[final vapor]

yeah, I'm deciding to play it smart and save up some gold and wait for it to come out cheaper in events. Currently have around 13k so I'll just wait around

[dark schooner]

I have definitely gotten better with lights

[long hearth]

Overpriced

[median snow]

buff hori type 3 gun depression to 7 like wot

[plucky summit]

Because a totally different game and balance environment justifies a change in this one 🙄

[oak pollen]

Anyone know how to play super hellcat effectively?
Just get it from event

[halcyon lotus]

like the hellcat, its playstyle is basically the same as a light

[frail dagger]

i hated the hellcat

great tank, and the super hellcat will be too, but to slow turret traverse and to weak of a gun for its armour, speeds nice though, should i sell it for credits or let it collect dust

i have a number of sold premiums too i could get for its credits; what should i get?
This being the full list:
WZ blaze
SU122
Lowe
STG
Eagle 7
274A
Church 3
244
T34 shield
52LIS
PIZV/IV
Type64
SKODAt45
Pudel,
Lozas
Y5 series tanks
PZIV4s

[swift ruin]

everything

[wary summit]

Eagle, Lis or Lowe can be alternative

[halcyon lotus]

get the lowe back

[frail dagger]

im working my way through it slowly piece by piece

[wary summit]

Best of luck

[frail dagger]

Its an audacious project

[lyric copper]

bro sold premiums 💀

[frail dagger]

I did, sometimes we make mistakes, but im getting better, and im improving as a player after many years of casual play, got more T10s under my belt, grinding credits and a new WR over 50% as well as playing competitive to get in the leagues, is there a problem with playing casually on a mobile game and making mistakes?

[wise moth]

Learn to play it. Hellcat is broken OP.

[odd cove]

i agree,
it has an aggressive playstyle

[obtuse dome]

get the tank you already play with it well just you have to know not all tanks fit all players what I see is good maybe will be bad for you, so you have to choose by yourself.

[oak pollen]

Thx

[obtuse dome]

Beware this tank not for everyone only players who know how to move correctly and calm all the battle because after 2 shoots you need 18.1 seconds reload if you don't take care you will die in those 18 seconds there is no armor and no way to runaway.

[covert holly]

just hit n run
320dmg x2 op for an mt
good turn rate,great turn turret,just lacking in acceleration

[wise moth]

Bourrasque is a noob friendly tank. It’s the single most noob friendly medium in the tier. High alpha, small profile, and the autoloader make it super forgiving

@split relic 100% worth it.

[daring merlin]

SMH

[wise moth]

?
It’s true though. Just because it doesn’t have armor doesn’t mean that it’s not incredibly easy to play

[spare pivot]

Guys, are british td's good?

[daring merlin]

Its not that nub friendly. Everyone know armour helps nubs make mistakes. You mess up with it you will be deleted

[kind flicker]

There turrets can be HE from 152s frontaly except the conway

[thorny smelt]

They're very situational because they are weakly armored and have bad camo rating but high damage potential. FV217 Badger is the total opposite of FV215b (183) and FV4005.

[wise moth]

???

Again, just because it doesn’t have armor doesn’t mean it’s hard to play.

Even if you do get penned, you can outtrade pretty much everything, and the autoloader means it only needs to find just a couple shot opportunities to have a great game, unlike single shooters which require constant exposure

[spare pivot]

Wdym weakly armored? Like the AT series of tanks have very much armor, and the FV215b-183 deals massive dmg

[thorny smelt]

Yes. AT 2 to Tortoise are strongly armored with pew pew guns. FV215b 183 can be easily penned by the tank of the same or even lower tier.

[kind flicker]

The one leading to 4005 has strong guns, mobility and weak Armour

The AT line has good dpm, good Armour, bad mobility

[daring merlin]

The problem with your thesis is you expect a new player to last long enough to be able to clip out people in 2 shots. Most nubs will be deleted before then. You cant clip out tank in beginning with two shots then long reload

[spare pivot]

The thing is i have an at15, and the back armor is very bad, almost in every match i die i get sniped from the back, and the turn rate of the tank is like 2-3 business days

[thorny smelt]

They generally have bad or poor mobility

[kind flicker]

Wanna toon at15, I just got it aswell

[spare pivot]

The fv215b-183 deals lots of damage, that's the thing that makes it unique, also the 21 seconds reload

[thorny smelt]

FV217 Badger may be slow but the traverse speed makes up for it that most mobile tanks cannot circle

[kind flicker]

But 183 has like 135mm of frontal armour

[spare pivot]

Yes

It's the kind of tank that you would've camp with in high ground

[kind flicker]

Yeah but it has bad camo so it can't camp for to long

[spare pivot]

Does camo really matter?

[thorny smelt]

With the majority of just a little over 200+ mm of effective armor except for the cheeks, surely you'll get penned

[kind flicker]

Yes

[thorny smelt]

On sniper tank destroyers? Heck yeah

[spare pivot]

Idk how camo matters if you play heavy, you're in the center of the battle already

[kind flicker]

I won a 1v5 in a t3,4 battle in the alecto since nobody could find and spot me

[spare pivot]

I just started playing td after i played alot of time heavy, i started with italian ones, starting to regret it

[thorny smelt]

Go for the Ho-Ri line

[spare pivot]

Is it worth?

[kind flicker]

Yeah I hate the Italians as well, try grinding the 268
Easy grind

[thorny smelt]

Of course

[wise moth]

Believe it or not, not all new players are 30%ers and serial AFKs.

It takes no skill to just peek out, shoot twice, and hide behind cover while you reload. It’s intuitive and doesn’t require any specific thinking or game knowledge. The stats prove it. Here’s the Bourrasque relative WR graph. Even on the lowest end of the WR spectrum, the tank WILDLY overperforms in relative WR. It’s easy to play for bad players and good players

[spare pivot]

Also is the grille 15 line worth? I thought about it some days ago

[daring merlin]

I'm not disputing the tank merits, a very good tank for experienced and mid experienced players. I disagree with your assessment that it is the most nub friendly tank

[kind flicker]

Not really I would get 268 then hori, both easy grinds

[spare pivot]

I saw alot of players playing the german td's, the heavy ones are bad

[thorny smelt]

Ho-Ri Type III is my first tier 10 tech tree tank destroyer and I have so much good luck grinding the whole line.