vehicles-discussion

[solid wolf]

And i saw on heavium is terrain is your friend so you dont really want to get hit on a heavium , theyre heavy but hard to use , i dont like them 🙃

[grim sorrel]

you can HE sides of hull, turret, rear of hull and turret, big pen HE can pen front of the hull too

[solid wolf]

The gun is heavy haha

[violet timber]

So it has medium tank armor.

[grim sorrel]

it has 40mm base side armour, so less than med armour, its front is only 60 and turret is 120

[violet timber]

That’s pretty much med side armor

[late thistle]

How to balance Caliban: armor + mobility buff and 2 shell autoloader

[misty wing]

heavium doesn't mean a heavy with bad armor

[solid wolf]

But for me it looks like a heavium so its like those heavies , will join mediums and support them.

[violet timber]

Caliban is balanced

[grim sorrel]

all it needs is 2 shot auto, and better gd honestly, keep the other stats and armour as is

[late thistle]

Finally got the Grille. Decided to grind the E3 line now, am I gonna regret it?

[grim sorrel]

but for now, its one shot and 20 second reload means nobody is scared of your gun especially with how inaccurate it is

[solid wolf]

I still dont like em , its auto lose when u have heaviums as your heavies thry domt frontlimr and stay with mediums backs!

[grim sorrel]

e3 superb armour, except the tracl skirts can be overmatched from the front, but most players dont know that

the gun can be troll inaccurate sometjmes, but the aim booster is a good counter for long shots that are important to hit

[solid wolf]

E3 is good , but i will get jag e100 because blitz video said its good tier 10 for tds 🙃

[grim sorrel]

jageroo is very meh, i recommend the obj268 as a combat td

[late thistle]

I’ll play most of the line as assault tds, front line or close to front line is that correct?

[grim sorrel]

yes, hull down in a position you can lock down enemy rushing, your lower plate is chronically weak and you turn very slowly, so play to those weaknesses

[lyric copper]

imagine

[grim sorrel]

when you choose to play e4, treat it like a slightly weaker e100

[late thistle]

All right, should I go through the route to E4 then alternate to E3 or straight to E3? I’m still very early at the Wolverine

[grim sorrel]

personally id go through t28 line so you can shortcut both e3 and e4

[solid wolf]

I dont like heaviums and calliban as another heavium haayst another heavy will hide on mediums backs 😒

[grim sorrel]

i think the caliban will be hiding scared 8/10 times tbh, thats how i was playing

[lyric copper]

caliban is in no way a heavium lmao

[late thistle]

Yep that’s what I was planning, thanks for the tips

[misty wing]

E4 is in no way a "slightly weaker" e100 lmao

[grim sorrel]

has worse armour all around and the weak cupola, with hull armour that cant be angled

[solid wolf]

Well the armor of it cant block shells , its not even a frontline tamk💀

[lyric copper]

its a specialist

[grim sorrel]

caliban is a hea - only half a heavy tank

[solid wolf]

Huh? What tank ckass is speciakist?

[grim sorrel]

some tanks have a specialised roll, while some are utilitarian

for example obj257 is OP at hugging, but when in the open it can be utterly ruined woth its large lower plate on the hull

[misty wing]

because it's a TD

[grim sorrel]

it is meant to be a superheavy td, meant to have similar armour to e3 but balancing wont allow that

imo the e4 just needs a cupola like e3 and it should be good as is, its weak turret can be wiggled to troll shots

[misty wing]

no it's not supposed to have e3 levels of armor lmao

imo it needs to have more reverse speed and 1 more degree of gun depression

[misty wing]

there's more to medium tanks than having no armor
aka having high mobility and fast firing, high DPM guns - neither of which the caliban has

heaviums usually have lower caliber guns. Look at the E5, Chieftain, and Concept 1b

[devout sparrow]

Can u guys hel me play the is 3?

I totally suck....actually the tank sucks more than me....the frontal armour can't bounce a thing

[oak pollen]

Just hide your hull

[devout sparrow]

yeah but that doesn't help against say the tiger 2 etc

and it is just like fistfighting a literal gaint when i come across soviet tank destroyers

[turbid jacinth]

Could WG please give the M60 some love by giving it some HD textures on its model?

[grim sorrel]

nah needs a camo buff

has the worst camo rating of any tier 10 medium its unique camo should boost its camo rating like every pther vehicle

[violet timber]

Hiding the hull helps against anything, IS-3 has one of the best turrets tier for tier in the game.

[misty wing]

It's one of the best turrets period

[brave juniper]

It's one of the best periods turret

[rain shoal]

Still need to buff the DPM of the AMX 30B. Nobody wants it or plays it for a reason.

[sleek apex]

It would get the PBR textures but we dont know when, M48 Patton would have it next update.

I would like the M60 to have the M60A3 turret though.

[rain shoal]

It should be better than the Leopard 1 and the STB 1

[solid gate]

Better? Why on earth better? Why should a random tank deserve to be better than two others?

[limber frigate]

good idea, make another good collector tank, like we dont have a few of those at t10. that completely own their tt counter parts. just buff the gun on amx 30 b, easy way to make it better without making the other two tanks obsolete

[misty wing]

none of the tier 10 collectors really "own their tech tree counterparts"
and the really strong tier 10s (type 71, 60tp, autoloaders) don't have collector counterparts
IS-7 and 113 are stronger than their collector counterparts

[solid gate]

oh so you're a paying customer who wants every t10 premium to be a skoda t56

[misty wing]

?

I'm just saying he's wrong but okay

[solid gate]

tier 10 premiums are not designed to be better than their tech tree counterparts
in fact that was never the point of a premium tank, an equal/slightly better or worse version of its tech tree variant

[misty wing]

completely off topic but okay

[solid gate]

C1B, VK 90.01(P),Object 907,arguably AMX M4 54 🙂

[misty wing]

VK is the only one that owns its tech tree counterpart, and even then it's only the maus which kinda sucks
M4 54 is a completely different role from any tier 10 french tank so it doesn't count
C1B is also quite different from the E5 now and it's not strictly better
907 meh, has worse DPM

[solid gate]

nobody cares if they are different from their tech tree variants, he is simply saying the tank is better
there's a difference lol

[misty wing]

It's not a counterpart if it doesn't play remotely the same

M4 54's closest counterpart is actually the IS-7, and I would say it's worse

I don't get why you guys are seriously complaining about tier 10 collectors being overpowered, because they really aren't for the most part

[solid gate]

i'm not even complaining lol, it doesn't need to be overpowered
the fact that somebody can simply pay to skip to tier 10 with 0 experience whatsoever is already absurd, and if the tanks themselves are simply better it makes that issue even worse

[plucky summit]

If they’re good they win battles with tanks? Insane.

I understand the concern with buying your way to tier 10, but that’s not the tier 10 tank’s fault

[misty wing]

there's no "if", because the tier 10 collectors aren't better bar the vk90
at least, they certainly don't "own their tech tree counterparts"

[solid gate]

do you have any of them

[misty wing]

I had all of them except the chieftain at some point, sold most

[plucky summit]

One glance at tier 10’s meta and your argument is six feet under

[misty wing]

Type 71 enters the chat

[plucky summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890699575843754025/1037885897682718742/Screen_Shot_2022-11-03_at_7.27.54_PM.png
Which one should I do next btw?

[solid gate]

assuming those in blue you've already done
caboose?

[plucky summit]

Caboose it is

[copper swan]

now put them all in sprocket

[plucky summit]

I ain’t payin for no sprocky

Now that I think about it, unless I plastered each concept sheet together, I have to real way of sorting them all out

[bright relic]

Which tanks is the best??? Anyone knows?

[gusty island]

Panzer II

[cunning grail]

I am not the best of players, but I am decent I think. With the Tier 10 medium Kpz50t I have 37 aces. With the tier 8 GSOR1008 I have 41 aces. But the Caliban is a whole other story. I manage to score a whopping 37.50% after 40 games.

[plucky summit]

The first two tanks are considerably rare due to chances/reputation. Aces aren’t too difficult on those tanks. Caliban was a big surge due to reputation, and acing it may prove difficult (it’s rather luck-based, to be honest). Perhaps you should try new playstyles and see how it works with Caliban

[cunning grail]

I guess that is the only option. Try something different. I had high hopes on the Caliban, being a heavy tank. But Caliban is playing like a 183 on tier 8. If your team is half out in 1 minute into game, Caliban becomes very vulnerable. The 1 thing that disturbes me most about the Caliban is the velocity. Even with supercharger equipment, you can see the shell flying far far away into a distant galaxy. It makes shooting at moving targets a challenge on its own. 🙂

[kindred wren]

Ah shell velocity, probably the most underestimated statistic in the game

[misty wing]

shell velocity, gun elevation, and reverse speed are the most overlooked stats imo

[karmic abyss]

I think caliban is too broken

[cunning grail]

They are both nice. Depends on your playstyle. I am somewhat more proficient on the JGPz E100. So I'd go for that one, but the T110E3 is very good too.

This game is about having fun. I like the diversity in tanks. So I play every kind of tank any time any day. I already researched and bought the entire techtree. So for what it is worth: go for the T110e3. Why? Because you already have the E100. It is kind of same playstyle. Not the same, but kind of. The T110E3 is totally different in setup. It can handle more in front of you, but your back is very very vulnerable to HE ammo.

[misty wing]

Jag has PBR so go for that one

[karmic abyss]

Make T30 Turret stronger but cupola is more weaker

[sharp yacht]

Should I get Type-71 or M VI Yoh?

[cunning grail]

Both

[median snow]

pls buff obj 268 velocity 😉

[violet timber]

No

[robust orchid]

No.

However, what really needs a buff is the WZ-111 5A's HEAT penetration, seriously? 303 HEAT pen in Tier X? >:[

[violet timber]

Nah, it’s fine as is

[robust orchid]

You do realize that 303mm HEAT pen can't pen a Type-71's hull, right? 👁️👄👁️

[solid gate]

shoot it's lower plate/hatch

[violet timber]

You do realize 303 HEAT can pen the Type 71’s hull, right? 👁️👄👁️

[vagrant frost]

What

[robust orchid]

That's the lower plate, of course it can be penetrated, but the upper plate is what I'm on about

[solid gate]

why are you shooting the armored parts of a tank instead of its weakspots in the first place

[robust orchid]

It's not easy shooting that hatch when the tank's moving towards you at top speed OR when facehugging

[vagrant frost]

Wow it's a magical WOT armor tester that actually works

[solid gate]

so if its moving towards you at top speed shoot the lower plate/hull cheeks?
if you're facehugging shoot the turret ring. learn the weakspots of the tank before complaining thx

[vagrant frost]

Shoot ze tracks💀

Is E 100 better than Maus cuz I know Maus sucks

[oak pollen]

My opinion is Maus is better
But e100 line is better

[robust orchid]

The hull cheeks aren't always visible especially on the move, plus they tend to wiggle, plus, the WZ-111 5A's gun can't depress enough to shoot the turret ring.

[vagrant frost]

So......

[solid gate]

...what?
if they are wiggling they are not going full speed, lol
the 5a has more than enough gun depression as well... if anything this is a you problem

[vagrant frost]

Damn just shoot the tracks

[violet timber]

7 degrees of gd ain’t enough for you?

[robust orchid]

The gun literally can't reach the turret ring, I've tested it in public and training rooms, especially during facehugging

[vagrant frost]

Das better than my tonks depression

[violet timber]

I think you may have been on an incline. Otherwise you’re basically looking down on the tank, making the cupola an easy shot

[vagrant frost]

I never reached T10 before

[solid gate]

the wz's gun is practically at the same height as the type's turret ring lol

[robust orchid]

Have fun trying to shoot a needle thin vulnerable area, plus the WZ-111 5A has a paper front plate compared to the Type-71's, that's why I think it needs a HEAT buff, why bother facehugging it when you could just pen it from a short distance >:[

[solid gate]

needle thin? at a 1m distance?

[robust orchid]

You really don't know how bad the 5A's RNG is when it comes to aiming, even if it's fully aimed, the shell will just redirect to the hull, which means that just gave the Type-71 a chance to fire back at the 5A's paper hull

[solid gate]

it's RNG and not paper stats, completely different

[robust orchid]

Those two stats combined are the problem, duh. How are you supposed to penetrate a Type-71's turret ring with a ridiculous RNG? And since that shot got bounced, the Type-71 could just fire back on the 5A's hull.

[grim sorrel]

youre arguing with an asia server resident with 40wr bruh

[solid gate]

I'm impressed you'd consider me that good to begin with ❤️

[plucky summit]

Hold on, we’re asking for a pen buff because of Type 71?

[solid gate]

yeah, instead of choosing the very obvious pick

[violet timber]

They were complaining that a shell can’t butter through the upper plate of a heavy tank

[plucky summit]

Run CS, problem solved

[solid gate]

well you lose an entire shell of effective dpm so it's debatable imo

[plucky summit]

Well if you want to lobotomize yourself and tussle close-range with a Type 71, that’s your problem

[violet timber]

You lose 7%, not an entire shell

[solid gate]

your rof per minute goes below 6, that's what i mean

[violet timber]

That doesn’t mean you lose an entire shell

[strange thicket]

all the Type 71 has to do is slap mobility equipment and wiggle then laugh at you trying to shoot it.
unless the Type 71 got nerfed or something recently 🤔

[grim sorrel]

is4, is7, yoh, wz111 5a, wz113, kranvagn, fv215b etc

point is, there are tons of heavies you can butter, but with one of the worst gold pens, wz111 5a is left in the dirt as the other commenter was saying

[violet timber]

Most of the heavies you can butter through are heaviums. The Type is just an outlier in the fact that it has way too much armor with way too much mobility. Saying that you can’t butter through it’s upper plate isn’t that bad

[grim sorrel]

you fatally misunderstand, wz111 simply has one of the worst gold pens of the t10 heavies, thats the issue - not the type

[violet timber]

And yet it’s more than enough to go through what it needs to go through.

[grim sorrel]

its not, 300mm gold heat pen is laughable,

[violet timber]

It is. You just have to aim.

[grim sorrel]

i have a 92% accuracy in my wz111, aiming isnt the issue

[violet timber]

Great, you can hit 92% of your shots. That doesn’t mean you can pen them.

[grim sorrel]

i pen most shots i hit, but not with 300mm heat pen

[violet timber]

Just aim better, not that hard

The only tanks you should struggle with are Maus, E100, and maybe the Type

[grim sorrel]

300mm pen wont go through armour any other heavy gold round will conventionally go through

its pretty simple, a heavy with 300mm pen needs a buff vs the other heavies that range from 330 to 370mm gold pen

[violet timber]

Wow, a fairly mobile heavy with a good turret and good dpm has a drawback that forces you to play better, how horrible

[grim sorrel]

gold turret? with weak cupola? omegalul

[violet timber]

No heavy has more than 340mm base HEAT pen.

[grim sorrel]

is4

[violet timber]

Gun depression moment

[violet timber]

What is IS-4’s base HEAT pen? Oh yeah, 340mm.

[grim sorrel]

one of the shortest heavies and can still see cupola lul

[violet timber]

Just because you can see it doesn’t mean you can reliably hit it, such as with the 60TP

[grim sorrel]

the fact remains that wz111 has worse gold pen than even the maus, which has one of the worst heavy guns at tier

[grim sorrel]

simple, literally any heavy tank can sit over the wz and hit the cupola

your only bet to reliably avoid cupola shots is wiggle hull and turret in opposite directions to one another

[violet timber]

Great, the Maus has penetration and… well nothing else.

[violet timber]

At that point you can hit their lower plate, meaning the premium pen doesn’t matter

[grim sorrel]

sheer arnour, which wz doesnt since you can pen its hull upper plate with ease

its pretty simple, wz is an old tank thats seen no love from wg for a while

[violet timber]

You were talking about the Maus’ penetration, which is better, I was pointing out how the gun was overall worse despite the better pen.

[grim sorrel]

yes, that was my point, can you read?

the only vehicle with gold pen as low as wz is the is7 with APCR, frankly both need their munitions buffed

the only grace of wz vs is7 is the HEAT over APCR imo

[violet timber]

So you want tanks with drawbacks to not have drawbacks? Sounds like you just want more Type 71s.

Also this is from 9.1, where the WZ got massively buffed

[violet timber]

And my point was that pen isn’t the only thing that matters, can’t you read?

[grim sorrel]

aside from dispersion the guns have visibly negligible difference

[violet timber]

Massive dpm difference, and the Maus has worse dispersion factors.

[lone herald]

Ok i get the Popcorn out and will enjoy that conversation

[grim sorrel]

the maus also has armour, wz can be penned in the upper plate by AP by the crease, it can be overmatched in the track well too

[violet timber]

Also keep in mind that the WZ has 260mm base AP, which is very good

[grim sorrel]

the same as other heavies, yes

[violet timber]

The WZ also has mobility and a frontally mounted turret, meaning it an take positions quicker than the Maus and use its gun depression effectively

[violet timber]

Name the other heavies with 260 base AP pen.

[lone herald]

T110E4 🤓

[grim sorrel]

take your pick, why try using its ap pen as an argument? its nothing special buddy, then again you seem like the type of guy to think 2 millimetres is a large number

[violet timber]

Of you really have trouble with the prammo, run Cali.

[grim sorrel]

like calibrated fixes it being the worst prem pen of t10 heavies 🤓

[violet timber]

You’re the one who can’t aim at weak points, not my problem 🤷‍♂️

[lone herald]

What has less prem pan now to do with aim?
Ok so tell how you want to kill a hulldown kran with lest say a t10ht tell how you want to do that

[violet timber]

If you’re fighting a hulldown Kran in a tier 10 heavy, might as well load standard and aim for the cupolas lmao

[lone herald]

Ok wait a sec

[violet timber]

The only thing that can pen a hulldown Kran without shooting the cupolas is a Ho-Ri with prammo.

If you struggle with 300mm of HEAT pen, you just need to aim better, every tank has an area that can be penetrated by that.

[lone herald]

@violet timber nice cupolas btw

[violet timber]

No heavy has a prammo round that can go through that btw

[lone herald]

Btw how you wanna Shot cupolas when you dont see the cupola?

[violet timber]

You don’t, wait for them to aim at you then shoot the cupolas. Or just don’t be stupid and don’t try to contest a hulldown Kran

[lone herald]

Ok nice then i'll try it with my 0.318 Dispersion on Type 71 and like in distanz of 50-100 meters?

[violet timber]

It’s just not a good idea to try and pen a hulldown Kran 🤷‍♂️

[lone herald]

How about that you just dont even fight a hulldown kran and just switch Position to force the kran that he has to leave his hulldown spot and you can shot him in the hull?

[violet timber]

“Don’t be stupid and don’t try to contest a hulldown Kran” 🤦‍♂️

[balmy compass]

Why didn’t you say that in the first place

[lone herald]

Why you dont have the ping on for replys that would help me more

[balmy compass]

It’s a habit of mine to turn off ping because people for some reason hate getting pinged, especially for random replies

[lone herald]

I dont

And mate you see there is Something called "do not disturb" mode

[balmy compass]

And yet people still dislike getting pinged despite having DND on?
I can’t predict how a random person would rather get pinged or not over a simple reply
I don’t see how it really matters here, I didn’t ping you 1 time this time

[lone herald]

Well its fine i have to do Something

[chilly oracle]

DND only blocks incoming calls and ping noises. It doesn't ignore pings altogether and @balmy compass You should have Pings ON when replying.

[odd cove]

I leave pings off when replying when it's not that important

[balmy compass]

yes I know that
but why do you need to dictate that I MUST have pings on when replying?

it altogether is no big deal at all, the choice to have ping on or off is given to me and I can choose wether or not I want to leave the ping on or off

[chilly oracle]

Aight, but just saying

[plucky summit]

Language

Alright then 💀

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure you'll get tired of making new accounts sooner than the mods get tired of banning them

[solid gate]

So this an alt?
Select your server role here #welcome and #surveys

wdym? I forgot

I’m not sure I forgot lol

[misty wing]

why are you calling people snitches then

maybe fix your swearing and insults problems 🤷‍♂️

[solid gate]

I’ll search where the problem was. Also you used to be part of 0XGEN? It’s become popular by the day

[misty wing]

calling someone a snitch for bringing in mods is obviously an insult
I mean it's not really offensive but you're obviously trying to be hostile

lmao who spat in your breakfast

I mean I don't really take offense from it
but you're obviously trying to be hostile or instigate drama

[solid gate]

@solid gate not sure. Can’t find

[misty wing]

I hate how we're not allowed to swear here too, but you should at least try to follow the rules

[solid gate]

I really don’t want you being muted or banned again, please stop trying to gain attention by trying to start off drama. Select your server role here: #welcome and #surveys and if you actually want to continue take this to #off-topic-discussion

Up to you

[misty wing]

are you 5 lmao
so hostile and prickly for literally no reason

at least I have the maturity to pick a role and read the rules

[solid gate]

What’s the issue with that (it is when they go overboard with it and pretend they’re in real life) it doesn’t affect you in any way stop trying to create drama and we can take this over to #off-topic-discussion

So we know where you account is registered in, simple as that. Also hello @plucky summit

[plucky summit]

The immaturity comes from your past activity, not the lack of role picking

[misty wing]

it comes from deliberately trying to not cooperate with the majority

[obsidian jolt]

Is IS3 a good tank? Because I used it and the gun dispersion is trash, and front armour is also trash...

[hollow notch]

It pays dearly for having the best turret in tier 8

[obsidian jolt]

yeah its hull is so weak

[hollow notch]

It's definitely workable because of the feature, but it takes map knowledge to actually find places to even use it

[obsidian jolt]

side scrape?

[hollow notch]

It really can't

[obsidian jolt]

🙃

I mean I used to do that and it worked kinda, tiger ii has the best side scrape though

[misty wing]

side scraping kinda sucks in general

[obsidian jolt]

They work well I blocked like 2k once using tiger II

[hollow notch]

Find dead tank hulls to hull down on.

Sand dunes and rubble piles with very gentle slopes are also usable locations.

You also can use it as an alpha slapper against mediums.

[obsidian jolt]

That also works with t29 and 34 right?

[hollow notch]

The difference being that those have gun depression

[obsidian jolt]

The China mediums has strong turret but bad depression 😢

[hollow notch]

And just so you know, the is8 is nearly the same as far as armor goes.

It gets a really good gun though.

[obsidian jolt]

Am too tired to grind with is3 😊

[fresh flume]

I am not entirely sure why you r acting like a mod 🤔

[hollow notch]

Yup

But noobs are gonna struggle

[glossy notch]

e

What's slow mode

[solid gate]

hover over it

[late thistle]

damn, grille's gun accuracy is so good after the derpiness of borsig & waffle (tho I liked them both)

[grim sorrel]

clientside mods such as camo and voicepacks are allowed

[misty wing]

they should ban mods ngl

cuz with mods we have people like droodles using a horrendously ugly camo on his 5A and putting it in his intro

[odd cove]

ban him

[sleek apex]

Lol, some mods looks cool though.

[robust orchid]

Mods don't really give you an advantage, plus it'll be quite impossible to have illegal mods since it'll only affect you and your gamefiles and not others

[misty wing]

my problem with mods is not that they give an advantage lol

it only hurts wargaming because it makes people less likely to buy camos in game, if they can just mod camos on

[solid gate]

its almost as if literally nobody buys camos either way

[misty wing]

? I buy like 75% of legendary camos for tier 10 lmao, if not more

[solid gate]

that's your problem, not many people choose to spend gold on something useless

[misty wing]

1. it's not a problem
2. if you even played the game, you'd see plenty of people running legendary camos

[solid gate]

and you see even more rocking free bp camos lol

[misty wing]

so? it's not "nobody"

[solid gate]

you and your semantics lol

[misty wing]

it's not even semantics when you're saying that a significant portion of the playerbase just doesn't exist

[odd cove]

they are a figment of reality

ill only buy a legendary camo if it looks good to me, otherwise ill give it a second best normal one and/or slap a remodel mod on it

[misty wing]

I don't think I would buy legendary camos if they didn't change the name of your tank
that's by far the best part

[solid gate]

why do you think wg selling camos is even remotely a problem lol
the revenue comes from gold and there are plenty of other better reasons to buy gold than to get a camo
if it is such an excellent source of revenue wargaming would be advertising them left right and center

[misty wing]

they do advertise camos pretty heavily with the pop up offers though?
some of them even have rather lengthy descriptions

[violet timber]

WG making the legendary camos one of the main selling points of new tanks now

[lilac mica]

True

[misty wing]

true, I bought the ISU-152 just so I could have the tundra camo

and I was pretty much memeing when I said they should ban mods, if the droodles comment didn't make that clear

[solid gate]

funny meme i giggled you have such a good sense of humor i'm in tears

[violet timber]

+1 funny comment, made me laugh

[misty wing]

judging by your responses, I'd assume you're not the type to care about aesthetics

also I'm not sure why you're being so hostile about this, perhaps you're still salty that you're wrong about tier 10 premiums from the other day?

[solid gate]

yeah i'm so hostile you can tell i'm in a hissy fit right now 😡

[violet timber]

Oh no, someone needs a nap

[plucky summit]

Me too

[misty wing]

Coming into the convo with a "no one buys camos" is kinda weird regardless 🤔

[plucky summit]

I don’t because I’m a collector

[misty wing]

How many tanks have you collected

[grim sorrel]

only tanks i dont have are the 268v4 and concept 1b

[misty wing]

Damn,, that's a lot

[grim sorrel]

the controcarro 45 will be added to that list when it releases
im not spending 400-500 for the tank when ive already got the 2 tanks that will precede it in the purchase event bullsheet

as nice as a 4 shot 390 alfa td sounds, id prefer the 268v4 or concept, they seem like mobile heavy hitters

[misty wing]

It's the carro da combatimento 45T
Controcarro is for the minotauro line

[grim sorrel]

ah my bad then, italian is like me least knowledgable language
its just spaghetti spanish

[misty wing]

Lol I don't know either but I'm studying french

[grim sorrel]

may god save your soul buddy 🤣

[strange thicket]

"stop having fun 😠 " /s

banning mods is some corporate overlord mindset ngl
it sure is one way to push your community away lol.

[rigid thunder]

^^^

[misty wing]

Most multiplayer games with anything resembling a competitive environment don't allow mods of any kind
WG are actually pretty generous for allowing us mods

yet they receive an enormous amount of hate

[odd cove]

they banned the use of ForBlitz a while back for violations and viruses, but they couldn't enforce it iirc

[misty wing]

ngl I'll gladly quit the game if it means Droodles can't run that camo anymore

[solid gate]

just dont watch him simple

[misty wing]

I already stopped because of that intro ngl
his old one was so much better

[solid gate]

it's not as if he really cares about the game anyway

[misty wing]

I'm not really sure what you're referring to by that

[odd cove]

not anymore anyways

[solid gate]

he has stated he only does blitz because he gets money from it, and some of his videos are straight up just random so he can get views via negativity

[misty wing]

I've seen a lot of cc's recently say that they're bored of playing their game and only do it because it's their job

[solid gate]

it's natural when the gameplay has not recieved any noticeable changes for its entire existence
by this i mean its concept, it's still just a 7v7 with a map introduced every now and then

[misty wing]

I meant for all games I've been following, not just wotb

[solid gate]

there's a lack of good games on the market nowadays if i'm being honest, people just seem to gobble up garbage and then love it

[rigid thunder]

modding is already fully supported by wotpc and wows, there's almost no reason for them to crack down on the mobile version of all things. Not to mention wows already has the largest competitive scene (KOTS)

[solid gate]

wows is dying though

[rigid thunder]

all games are dying

[misty wing]

yeah and those are all wargaming games
so my point still stands that wg are rather generous (?)

valorant is on the rise as far as I'm aware
I don't see any cc's or pros feeling jaded from that game yet

[solid gate]

its only been out for 2 years unlike the games mentioned here

[misty wing]

woah
?

I don't really get it but maybe #blitz-memes is the channel you're looking for

[strange thicket]

have you considered the fact that maybe they are just not a fit environment for mods?
modding been a big part of this game and its PC brother.
nonsensical to ban it ngl.

[lilac mica]

water you doing

[misty wing]

I already said that was a joking jab at droodles, I don't seriously think they should ban them lol
but ban his 5a camo smh

[strange thicket]

idon'tknowwhatthat5acamolookslike
i kinda couldn't swallow droodles' content at all. it is sorta annoying to watch.

[misty wing]

looks something like this

[solid gate]

i thought that's an in-game camo lol

[strange thicket]

valorant is pretty recent, look at CSGO
shroud is a prime example of a cc just insulting the game and getting absolutely done with it

[misty wing]

I think it was an unreleased one and droodles modded his game to use it early or something

[strange thicket]

blegh

[misty wing]

WG should ban the premium account camo for being too ugly as well

[strange thicket]

are you referring to online games or games as a whole
ngl the indie scene is pretty spicy, offline games are pretty good

[solid gate]

that's the issue though, indie games are very good
way too difficult to find though

all the big names usually just churn out rubbish imo

not really sure about offline games

[strange thicket]

yeah because they have real passion in them, they are kinda obscure yeah but they are worth it
not many triple A titles are that good anymore, they are mostly corporate factory products with a few exceptions like RDR2 for example
most indie games are offline

[misty wing]

most games that cost more than like $30 upfront are garbage

[strange thicket]

yeah lmao.

[grim sorrel]

this isnt very #vehicles-discussion of you guys

[sleek apex]

"New" topic (im just bringing this back here): Type 59 hypothetically having an option to use the 105mm gun from Type 59-II

[odd cove]

just ammo racked an stg in my t49*

[solid gate]

You mean 121B?

[sleek apex]

121B are fictional, and are slightly larger. But yeah the type 59 would have the same sort of playstyle in tier 8.

[solid gate]

Panzer 68 would be perfectly compatible with World of Tanks. It's old, have a not great gun, homogeneous steel armor and it's ugly af

[misty wing]

it just looks like a more modern version of the pz 58 mutz

[solid gate]

but with a 105mm gun 😏

[thorny smelt]

Same thought

Look at this beauty

[mellow lantern]

[lone herald]

Nice Screenshot from droodles intro

[empty helm]

Looks fat

[solid gate]

First mastery since a while 3800dmg, 3 destroyed with T28Defender.

[dapper yacht]

Pz 61?

[late thistle]

Update on Grille: Having good games. Question on equipment: Camo net or Optics? It has bad camo values compared to the tier 8 and tier 9 of the same line. It's fast enough that I can play it like a semi medium. I found it isn't good for stealth camping like the borsig or waffle were but I'm still conflicted on the play style. Thoughts?

[thorny smelt]

Panzer 68

[dapper yacht]

iirc Pz 61 is the Mutz with 105

[misty wing]

Imagine caliban's accuracy with double shot in uprising

[late thistle]

shooting other planets?

[radiant vale]

what about adding this

[frail dagger]

caliban moving with damaged gunner somehow hits behind itself while moving at like 80km/h with double shot

[dapper yacht]

Too modern

[radiant vale]

just same as leo 1 actually

[lone herald]

Why you want to get TH301 added why not Reinmetall Panzerwagen?

[dapper yacht]

Ah, infamous Flipwagen

Well tanks can't flip in this game so it can actually be a solid light tank here
Plus 105mm HE pen

[robust orchid]

Hmm...it has paper armor and can easily be HEd by any other tank, but it's got a good gun and mobility, do as you like, I do the same with the Krupp-Steyr WT, you do you

Also, I just noticed, the Premium Pass tank Valentine Mk. IX has the highest pen in Tier IV, and it's a light tank, that level of penetration is Tier VI penetration, but hey, it's Tier IV, not a lot play in those Tiers.

[solid gate]

It has an AP penetration of 130mm without CS, although it’s a light tank it can only drive up to 24 kph. It has a low ace bar

[robust orchid]

Yeeeeep, with that being said, it performs better as a TD than a Light tank because of that drawback, that amount of penetration can do a number on any Tier IV-V vehicle.

[grim sorrel]

always take camo net

[solid gate]

its a TD you'll get like 10m extra view range which is like nothing since you're hardly ever spotting for yourself anyway

[slim wedge]

tips on grinding Mitsu 108 pls I want to end the suffering.....

[frozen patrol]

I just free xp trough it

[slim wedge]

I can't, too expensive...

[solid gate]

Just suffer through it. It’s only tier V, the time worth learning about it and getting good with it isn’t really worth it. Use combat XP boosters.

[fleet berry]

Jaycee___#9785 has been warned.

[robust orchid]

Simple really, use free XP while utilizing the 2× XP bonuses and spamming boosters, you'll get the Ju-Nu quickly if you perform well

[twin stratus]

can someone help me pls?

what is the best european tank?

[violet timber]

TVP

[twin stratus]

the skoda line?

[violet timber]

Yes

[twin stratus]

ok thanks

[obsidian flume]

Italian Destroyers coming 2023 🤣

[violet timber]

Nope, they’re coming next update

[obsidian flume]

Parece que vai ser só em 2023, já faz tempo que deveriam ter lançado esses tanques

[violet timber]

English only mate

[obsidian flume]

Mate? Matou quem?

[violet timber]

#rules. Also #coming-soon, Italian TDs are coming in 9.4, not 2024

[robust orchid]

I agree with this even though this specific tank is one of the main aspects that ruins my already potato win rate

[crimson saddle]

Ngl the Italian tds are kinda ruining wotb. Most meds won't even pen it

[solid gate]

sheridan missile

[grim sorrel]

you can pen it easily, its a short tank with limited turret movement, if youre dueling a hull down td in a med then youre just plain dumb

[blissful hamlet]

Mate = "colega" my friend,
You should take some english classes

[lilac mica]

Not everyone can have English classes...

[neon canopy]

which is better T-62A or Obj. 140

[solid gate]

I’d say they’re both pretty equal. Go for T62a first as it’s much easier and simpler to use. Also the gun leading to the T62a on the T-54 is the easier one.

[neon canopy]

ok thanks

[solid gate]

just asking but who remembers the carro 45t? ı saw it on battles few times mabey a year ago its forgotten.

[crimson saddle]

Is the 50b good anymore?

[balmy compass]

It’s a very high risk high reward tank

It can be quite good but it can be difficult to play

[wise moth]

It’s good, but it requires a totally different playstyle from other Blitz autoloaders to make the most of the 4 shell magazine

[crimson saddle]

Ok thx. Noted

[safe cedar]

AMX-30b needs a complete rework, WG should just scrap the current iteration and rework the stats from the ground.

[daring merlin]

Much easier to find another tank that suits your playstyle

[safe cedar]

Not really.

[daring merlin]

If you cant find another tank. Try getting a degree that allows you to apply for job at War Gaming? That way we all can play your new completely OP tank

[lilac mica]

The ace bar for that tank is incredibly low

[solid gate]

75 kph

[solid gate]

VK3002D needs a buff. No armor and bad mobility for a medium and an awful gun !!!! It has no pen vs Tier 8 event with APCR. At least with same gun as Tiger it could perform better. Without that it's one the worse t7. It's really painful to play it to grind Indian Panzer, t9 and t10 following

[safe cedar]

I don't know who ruined your day. Regardless i say it needs a rework because 30b is much too polar of à vehicle and as such needs a redéfinition of its caractéristiques.

[daring merlin]

The E100 has a great line, not a bad tank in the bunch. Just see you have enough free XP so you mount top modules

French tanks have there own charm. Usually good gun and good speed. Armour not as much

[safe cedar]

Couldn't have said it better. I think 30b should be rebalanced around view range, camo, mobility, etc. Instead of trading of other stats for mantle armour.

[daring merlin]

Use your Frenchies to move to good positions, with some luck its hull down. Get your shots off and use speed to move around. Dont trade unless you have the advantage

[strange thicket]

you are not adding anything to the table
the 30b is a mediocre tank trying to be everything at the same time and it doesn't have the french tank charm lmao

[daring merlin]

Miss the old 30B. Stop the whine and get the T57

[misty wing]

What's the general opinion on the Conway

[plucky summit]

It’s fine as a turreted TD, still hits hard or has considerable DPM otherwise

[safe cedar]

30b vs T57? Those aren't even related lol. This is AMX-30b

[sleek apex]

It looks better on the NATO 3 color camouflage than the default blue metal color.

[boreal spruce]

its good👍
the alpha rolls lower than your would think the majority of the time. 🔨
the turret gives it flexibility in battle. 🍩
average mobility, large size, 🏠
doesn't get HE'd as much as its relatives because of the turret armour (can get the occasional bounce)😎
its got 10degrees of gun depression which is good but the 10 degrees of gun elevation is not nice🤷‍♂️
the 5.5inch is the go to gun.
all in all a very nice TD that offers a unique playstyle at its tier,
i found the playstyle to be similar to the Fv.215B 183 i also play.🤔

[safe cedar]

That's a Kuwaiti AMX 30.....

[sleek apex]

Ok

[solid gate]

Too beautiful, it doesn't even look like there's no stabilizer on the gun

[safe cedar]

AMX-30 needs side skirts.

[solid gate]

Leo 1 too and AP ammo hasn't been used on tanks since the 1950's and for some reason Leopard 1 uses it in Blitz. Goodnight.

[safe cedar]

30b uses heat. WOTB uses AP in place of APDS-fs

[copper swan]

now try the 120mm gun

[radiant vale]

it is a decent td, oh no, mt, it has both good guns for different ways to play just like M-VI-YOH,
120 gun for DPM and 5.5 inch gun for big alpha

[radiant vale]

for that time leo 1 and other NATO mbts only have apds

[safe cedar]

Actually AMX-30b used the OBUS-G heat round as that is what the tank was initially built around.

[boreal spruce]

i have, and it wass.....😳 🙈 😲

[grim sorrel]

APFSDS*

[solid gate]

WG, when?

[grim sorrel]

HMLS Togtanic

[solid gate]

Tier 6 premium

[limber berry]

Any tips on playing the IS3?

[solid gate]

You got IS 5?

[limber berry]

No

[solid gate]

Ok then play it but dont angle your armor when face to face, angle just make hull weaker

[limber berry]

Ok

[solid gate]

Sidescrape

Reverse sidescrape if possible. Hull down is ok if you can manage with 5 degrees. Facehug can work vs tall tanks with no depression

[limber berry]

[misty wing]

I wouldn't sidescrape unless you absolutely have to

[wise moth]

^

[misty wing]

jesus christ this tank is ugly

[blissful hamlet]

And really small

[neat fog]

The mauschen tank is extremely crappy, it's definitely not playable.

[robust orchid]

It's basically a Maus but nerfed to the point that it's hilarious

[misty wing]

More like a vk 168 with the turret on the back

[nova jackal]

WG wen Finnish tree in EU

[opaque linden]

https://karopka.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/381/900_600_1/photo_17_1483884007.jpg

[fleet berry]

☭Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf.H — E☭#9297 has been warned.

[fleet berry]

Please provide a valid user.

[odd cove]

183 dispersion values

[nocturne bronze]

Skoda T-25 is just pure fun to play

[noble gyro]

Hello guys, what is the best X tank in your opinion? For me it's Badger because... unfair armor, good damage and good mobility

[solid gate]

A turretless TD is kind of inherently restricted, even when extremely good. I’d say that’s an excellent tank. But I can’t really say which is the best, there’s a lot of different great tanks with different strong points, it’s really up to the opinion of the person at that point I guess

[noble gyro]

Yea. I play much tournaments and i win really much with my team. But if we have one badger in the enemies team, we loose

Type 71 is really strong too, but its not so a big problem. Badger is (my opinion) really unfair

2vs2 Tournaments + 2x Badger = loose for other team xd

[solid gate]

Interesting. I’m not really a tourney player. It sounds like your team needs to work out effective stats for countering the Badger on different maps

[noble gyro]

Yeah thats true, but i dont know why is badger for so much people a big problem. Hmmm its just a really good tank but in my opinion a bit unfair... If i play IS-7 and see a badger 5 meters nearby to me, i loose 1vs1

I cant see point to make him damage. I only see Red, Red and Red

[violet timber]

Type 71.

[solid gate]

Yeah, it’s undoubtedly strong. Team work is most important though. The IS 7 while decent probably isn’t the best anymore, and not a great competitor against the badger. I’m by no means a tourney play though, so you’d know more

[noble gyro]

Yea

The only spot that isn't red is down, but almost no pipe from a tank can get there. Of course only if the badger is very close to me

And its not only a problem if i play is7... 60 TP and T110E3 too

Badger is a really interesting tank. Hmm i want him too $

[violet timber]

Badger does have these that are penetrable with prammo

[noble gyro]

Ah okay. But its hard too if the badger is dancing

If i see a badger, then one that be played from a really good player

Sorry for my english guys, i hope its not a big problem

[plucky summit]

If it’s side to side, the circular shape always leave the same area to be shot at.

But if they use gun depression, problems arise to many non-TDs

[grim sorrel]

the badger has a weak track well, you can penetrate it when even slightly angled - similarly to the maus

[solid gate]

Well actually, y’all are incorrect. There’s a little weakspot just above the gun iirc, it’s basically a shot trap, I think 220MM+ AP pen will ricochet and cause a penetration. It’s of absolutely no value lol, since you won’t hit it reliably in battle.

[sleek apex]

These parts of the lfp are also red to standard shells on most tier X guns.

[tranquil saffron]

will the Waffenträger camelot also have access to the spall liner?

[plucky summit]

While it’s still red for some, AP normalizes enough to penetrate for most heavies

[wise moth]

The problem with running double badger in 2v2’s is that if they kill one of you, it’s pretty much over

[plucky summit]

Enhanced Armor makes it fair game against a non-CS IS-7

[noble gyro]

Guys thanks for so much answers : D

[noble gyro]

Yea true

[wise moth]

Also, in general, the way to kill turretless TDs, is if they’re isolated, just YOLO push them to get on their side/rear

[tulip knot]

What about 2 badgers vs. 2 t-100 lt? I think the lts would win

[solid gate]

The problem with that is, you don’t know you’re facing two badgers necessarily. And I don’t think that’s an effective strat vs other tanks. Especially as it’s a 2v2, Lts are generally very good team tanks, but I don’t know about a 2v2 without a whole team

[wispy iris]

just got this hoe

[wise moth]

Double lights is a sketch lineup on most of the 2v2 maps since they’re usually small and urban, so getting the isolations you need, and the long sight lines for camo/view range based bleeding is going to be hard

[tulip knot]

True. A T-100 and a type 71 or something could work, using the type as more of a meat shield and the t-100 to bully maybe

[lyric copper]

why not double Type 71 at that point

[wise moth]

Haven’t played 2v2’s that much recently, but I did one a few weekends ago with a clan mate, and running a VK90 and a medium was a pretty solid lineup on a lot of maps. The VK 90 can anchor for the medium, since he can take a really long time to kill in a 1v1, and the medium gives a lot of potential to rapidly chunk down a heavy. He does need to be very careful not to give away any HP though

[lyric copper]

Leo 1 VK90 combo can work it

[solid gate]

I remember doing an IS 7 + Leo 1 lineup in a 2v2. The idea was ok, worked somewhat, execution was bad ofc though

[wise moth]

The medium can be map dependent, but I ran a TVP, STB, and a T-22 for Yamato harbor (hill/ship), Middleburg (hill), and Normandy (hills), respectively and it worked well for each

[unkempt steeple]

What is the best Japanese tank?

[lyric copper]

Type 71

[unkempt steeple]

Thx

[odd cove]

🎃

[heavy nest]

What r some best tech tree tier 9 tanks to own?

[solid gate]

T92e1, WT auf. Ah yes, T 54. E 75 I’d place in the “only experienced” category

[lyric oriole]

WZ-120 (only if you are a really experienced player)

WT Auf. PZ IV

T-54

E 75

[violet timber]

E75, ST-1, VCR, Obj. 84, Skoda, T-54, JagdTig, WT

[balmy compass]

Standard B?

[solid gate]

Standard B yes, jagtiger too

[heavy nest]

Thx

[solid gate]

T 54 or T92e1 for some very fun and good ones

[heavy nest]

Since I have some creds I get a few of these

[plucky summit]

E 75 takes experience to use effectively? Is it that hard to hide the lower plate?

[violet timber]

No

[lyric copper]

50TP

[hardy kite]

Nah Lago

[meager saddle]

lago isn't t9

[noble gyro]

50TP

[plucky summit]

It's a tier 9 if tier 5 was tier 10

@noble gyro look three messages up lol

[hollow belfry]

Well, for some players, T5 really does seem to be the top of the tree😂

[misty wing]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but conqueror and cent 7/1 are both up there as well

[safe cedar]

Everybody forgetting Foch. At tier 9 it's solid.

[lyric copper]

m8 this is the wotb discord, people do not read like 60% of the time

[odd cove]

it’s discord in general

[misty wing]

I don't really see why wz-120 would be for experienced players only and t-54 isn't

[noble gyro]

Sorry im not 24/7 online

[lyric oriole]

The gun depression, weird accuracy traits, and less armor than T-54

[plucky summit]

Three. Messages. Above 🤔

[noble gyro]

Yea. I not have time to read all messages. I just look sometimes quick

[plucky summit]

But like, you responded to a message above it lol

[misty wing]

I'm pretty sure they both have 5 degrees now, and players would probably have adjusted to the accuracy style with the T-34-2

[noble gyro]

By the way, i understanding really bad english. Its not easy for me... Im from switzerland

[lyric oriole]

They do both have 5 now I guess but also bare in Minden that 120 is also slower

Slower, less armor, less accurate

[plucky summit]

Cool 😀❔

[noble gyro]

Its not cool to put much words in a translator to understand the most words of a question. I dont have much time to do this with all messages in this chat 😐

[plucky summit]

Fair enough, I guess...
Didn't notice the 50TP

[noble gyro]

aha

[plucky summit]

🙄

[neat fog]

For me, the best X tier top 5 tanks are as follows:

1. FV217 Badger
2. T-22 medium
3. Type 71
4. Concept 1B
5. Object 268 Version 4

[solid gate]

4 of them are collectors 💀

[noble gyro]

Thanks for the answer. Interesting that T-22 Medium for you one place about Typ 71 is

[misty wing]

T-22 is incredibly mediocre. 268/4 as well

[noble gyro]

Thats for me no a problem. Im happy about all answers

[violet timber]

Interesting take

[misty wing]

Replace T-22 and 268/4 with the TVP and IS-7/VK 90 and move badger to 5th

[odd cove]

plausible

[lyric copper]

for some reason this guy still thinks T-22 hasn’t been nerfed

it has, it’s a complete joke now

guy doesn’t even own one

[misty wing]

I haven't bounced a shot on a T-22 in months
Its armor is almost nonexistent now

[solid gate]

Well that's just your high skill I guess 😂 but playing a T 22 definitely generates bounces

[plucky summit]

Shoot track
Profit

[lyric copper]

yeah only against people who willingly shoot red spots

[plucky summit]

Here's the poor soul before the auto-ricochet fails for the rest of the side

[lyric copper]

every MT getting AP and the T-22 getting its last of its traverse taken away killed it

[plucky summit]

At least Kpf 50t gets APCR >:)

[solid gate]

Ironically the red spot is where you can pen when it sidescrapes

[plucky summit]

Can you tell me where that red spot is?

[solid gate]

The spaced armour. Due to your favourite 3CRB it looks red when you can actually pen what should be an autorico angle. Not talking about the line at the top of the spaced armour, but the actual spaced armour lol

[lyric copper]

lack of gundep, worse DPM than it’s peers, shell velocity difference (really does hurt, more so if you’re used to the T-62A’s velocity or the IGP 907 velocity) are some of the current reasons why you really don’t play the T-22 any more

[misty wing]

what's the IGP 907

[plucky summit]

Improved Gun... Placement B)

Yeah Obj. 907 is easily more a threat to me

[misty wing]

improved graphics patch ...?

[lyric copper]

Improved GunPowder on the 907

[plucky summit]

Didn't know it had that x-x

[misty wing]

same

[solid gate]

It's got an amazing turret still, 6 degrees gun dep with the low profile is decent to hull down with. Side armour is still ok (it needs 3CRB gone to go back to its former strength) but you'll still bounce with it, and particularly effective at wiggling to bait into its tracks at high speed going forwards. It's got decent mobility, acceleration, and top speed. Accuracy is average. Don't really notice shell velocity tbh, it's APCR so it's decent I guess

[plucky summit]

There are a lot of things I'd call T-22

Low profile isn't one of them

Also it's AP now

[solid gate]

? It's not the best out of Russian meds, but it's still decently low since Russian meds are all low. Wait I thought @lyric copper was complaining about it being APCR...

[plucky summit]

Nope

They said the meds getting AP killed T-22, since you know, AP is AP

[solid gate]

How does that affect the T 22 in a bad way??

[misty wing]

its armor relies on angles, and AP has better normalization

[plucky summit]

AP is so much better with 3CRB than APCR is

[solid gate]

Oh right, you mean them facing it. Gotcha.

[neat fog]

dude these tanks are all OP.

[neat fog]

Firstly, thank you.
The t22's effective armor, view range, and mobility put it ahead of the type71.
type71, on the other hand, is in this ranking only with its armor.

[lyric copper]

in your eyes the T-22 is still somehow OP

C1B is a one trick pony that is very good at doing it’s one trick

V4 is annoying but most of its players only understand what the W key does

Type 71 is on the ranking due to WG’s affinity with random gimmicks designed to attract children despite said gimmicks not even being needed in the first place

[neat fog]

Did you compare the t22 with the t62a and the 268v4 with the normal 268?

[solid gate]

normal 268 is better, more mobile, less armor obviously but better gun handling and gun depression

Comparing one tank isn't a way to determine if somethings OP

[lyric copper]

yes

T-22 is worse

simple as

[neat fog]

dude i am comparing t22 tank with other medium tanks and there is kpz50t closest to it, but it is also a new tank and I can't say it's OP yet, but I'm sure t22 is better than all other medium tanks.

[noble gyro]

Thanks 👌

[lyric copper]

dude we have been trying for so long to show you that the T-22 is washed like a plate

[neat fog]

I still encounter the t22 and it is more difficult than my encounters with other medium tanks.

[misty wing]

t-22 and 268/4 are worse than the t-62a and object 268, respectively

[solid gate]

So you're saying that the T 22 is worse than the obj 268? I don't think so. Also the V4 is probably equal to the 62a

[neat fog]

what?

[neat fog]

lol

[lyric copper]

268’s camo and just better gun allows it do 2nd like support

and it’s pretty fun, prefer it to camping, and the disp nerf didn’t hit hard as I often played it closer

[wise moth]

Interesting take

[neat fog]

Friends, I use translate, my sentences may be confused, I think you can understand t22 vs t62a
268v4 vs 268

[solid gate]

Sorry it was a joke meant for @misty wing but they didn't bite lol

[neat fog]

These statistics will also be very informative.

[misty wing]

premiums will always be at the top because less people own them

[solid gate]

That's completely illogical. Unless you're trying to say higher end players own them, the majority of noobs can't get them. But that's all shown in the data I believe

[neat fog]

Come on man, do you have to have an excuse for everything?

[misty wing]

then explain why even obviously underpowered premiums also perform well on those charts

[lyric copper]

not really, more skilled players are often more dedicated, meaning they’re more likely to buy premiums than average players

[solid gate]

I'm not explaining anything lol. Merely pointing out that your statement is ridiculous, by itself, without further proof or background

[neat fog]

I wonder which X tier medium tanks the t22 tank is worse.
maybe the e50m is pretty close but I think the e50m is worse.
maybe stb1 is pretty close, but I've never seen a stb1 turn away and block my shot.

[solid gate]

Possibly. But then you've got those who think premium tanks come with a new set of skills in the bundle if they pay enough. This data about player levels in certain tanks is all available on blitz analysis I'm pretty sure. I'm too lazy to check and im on mobile

[misty wing]

E50M is better
Kpz 50T is better
Every other soviet med is better, and we've already explained why
I wanna say the 4202 is better as well but it's an entirely different playstyle

[wise moth]

Here’s 2 relative WR graphs. One of them is the 268, and the other is the v4. You can pretty much guess which is which

[neat fog]

Which is not enough premium?

[gray hedge]

Soviet = Stalinium Based

[misty wing]

?

[wise moth]

Here’s another set of graphs, where one is the T-62 and the other is the T-22. You can also pretty much guess which is which

[gray hedge]

Guys, tanks is tanks so just play, why compared tanks

[neat fog]

Which premium tank tops the list even though it's not good?

[lyric copper]

what if we want to compare tanks

[valid gale]

You are very much not getting why they are arguing so don’t get into it

[gray hedge]

When you look at tanks, some just don't exist and some are years apart.

[lyric copper]

no I also compare cats

one is more playful

the other is more annoying

still love them equally

[gray hedge]

Missclick corrector

[misty wing]

59-patton is performing better than pershing
panther 88 is performing better than panther 2
panzer 58 is outperforming indien panzer

[gray hedge]

Fact so just watch xD

[misty wing]

all of those premiums are without a doubt equal to or worse than the tech tree tanks on paper

[neat fog]

Man, I can't research these tanks right now. Here at 01:30, I would be very happy if you could give an example of x tier tanks.

[solid gate]

Pershing is the only one I'd say is actually better.

[misty wing]

best tier 10 example is the WZ-111 5A outperforming the IS-7, even though most would agree the latter is better

[plucky summit]

Persh >>> 59

[solid gate]

Uhhh no way lol. Most I've heard say the WZ is better. Its certainly got a higher skill ceiling/floor

[misty wing]

indien panzer's recent DPM buff makes it better than the mutz imo. panther 88 is basically the same as the panther 2 but with less armor, yet it performs better because of the smaller sample size

[solid gate]

Well don't know about the 58 tbh. The 8.8 is just a copy past with slighter better mobility I thought? Anyway yeah makes sense

[misty wing]

if you're not happy with that one, then object 260 is outperforming the t110e5 despite being universally said to be the worst tier 10 heavy

[plucky summit]

I thought E5 and 215b were the competitors for that

[solid gate]

215b bad? What the hell mate, did you miss 9.1 or something 😂

[misty wing]

then you've been talking to the people who always think premium = better tank, like tropical gamer

[plucky summit]

I gueessss it can bully meds

[solid gate]

Not necessarily lol. Im far from thinking that myself

[misty wing]

higher ceiling argument is rather dumb because you can say that for any tank with higher dpm, and it doesn't stop the type 71 from being the best tank in the game

[solid gate]

Well I disagree about the Type 71

[plucky summit]

What’s the best tank, then? 👀

[lyric copper]

Renault Otsu

[misty wing]

Renault FT*

[plucky summit]

D1.

[misty wing]

ARL 44 with the stock turret

[solid gate]

I'm of the "no best tank" line of thinking lol. But seriously, there's meta tanks and bad tanks. But there's way too much variety to really say one tank is outright the best. It really boils down to personal opinion and what you think is the best for whatever reason.

[plucky summit]

You’d never have considered Type 71 the best, even pre-nerf?

[solid gate]

New tanks are nearly always meta. They're also nearly always overhyped lol

[plucky summit]

If overhyped means best pick for comp tourneys, then okay

[solid gate]

No, that's why I said meta. The overhyped was about the constant complaints about it being OP lol

[misty wing]

meta = best tank

[solid gate]

Also that's kind of true. Top tourneys always seem to have the latest and greatest, partly cause it's meta, but partly cause it's cool i think

[solid gate]

No. There are a lot of meta tanks. And not all meta tanks are particularly great. 252u. Even the 60 TP while it was super meta and still is meta, wasn't necessarily the greatest, but easy to use

[daring merlin]

TOG.... LOL

[plucky summit]

Type 71 was the best tank in its meta 🤷‍♂️

[warm depot]

Hi

[misty wing]

252U is not meta

[daring merlin]

Type 57 slightly better then 252U

[wanton marlin]

Those who play wot pc, shoot here

[velvet timber]

thoughts on the T8 T-34 Heavy premium?

[sleek apex]

Hulldown tank

[daring merlin]

Good turret and strong pen. Rest is weak

[old wyvern]

Which tank is the fastest

[daring merlin]

Fast for which class?

[old wyvern]

American

[daring merlin]

Heavy?

[old wyvern]

Light

[odd cove]

sheridan/sheridan missile

[plucky summit]

T49 and M41 are tied by top speed

[odd cove]

the sheridan line 🎃

[plucky summit]

Well yeah that’s the American Lights as he specified

I know there’s T37 and T71 but that ends in a different class

[daring merlin]

The T77 for American heavy not too bad for speed

[misty wing]

T77 is rather slow

actually, all the tier 8 american heavies have nearly identical mobility, except for the T34 being worse and the Chrysler and Sheriff being better

[deep timber]

Is is2 sh good?

[daring merlin]

Sheriff is more of a heavy med mix

IS2 SH...

[misty wing]

the Sh sucks

[daring merlin]

If you want the rear turret kind of tank, get the Chrysler K

Not the SH....

[wise moth]

I just noticed that the WT Pz IV Camelot clan event tank is in tank-compare. And honestly, it looks cracked. 3.5k DPM on that 12,8cm is crazy with the turret and camo

[safe cedar]

How hard will it likely be to get?

[meager cedar]

Easy

Can’t wait for players complaining they didn’t get the tank after event finishes or says it’s too difficult

[lilac mica]

Just got that tank and I would like to have more information about it because I feel it’s trash

[plucky summit]

It kind of is

[sleek apex]

Mediocore, well atleast it isnt awful as it used to.

[plucky summit]

The armor got buffed a decent chunk but it didn't really help that much since the tank itself is still pretty plastic to other heavies

[lilac mica]

Rip me, what’s the credits coefficient for that tank ?

[plucky summit]

150%, relatively mediocre
Same as Tankenstein's

[oak pollen]

I just buy jtiger8.8cm anyone have suggestion how to play it effectively?

[balmy compass]

Hide lower plate

[misty wing]

Brain off and dpm diff people

[rough citrus]

Bro I wanna get these tanks so bad

[misty wing]

Derp fan spotted

[fallen grail]

Most of my kolobonov medals came from the kv2 about 4 years ago. Just started playing again and it feels like the kv2 got nerfed with not many one shot kills

[upper geyser]

Was up

[rough citrus]

#

[oak pollen]

@balmy compass @misty wing Thx

[balmy compass]

👍

[misty wing]

It's kinda like the badger but with a more awkward profile
DPM is better tier for tier

[solid gate]

I love the hybrid nation tanks qustion was thir wver a light one i see medium hevey and td but not light. If thir wasnt one is thir plans for one??

[balmy compass]

There are a couple of blitz nation lights, just low tiers tho
Titian Mk.1
Titan T24 57 or something like that

[onyx raven]

I keep forgetting the T24/57 exists

[balmy compass]

It sucks
I have it I idk why it needs a 14 or 15 second mag reload
I think it’s slow too

I haven’t played it in a long time

[grim sorrel]

caliban is dogsh*

[rough citrus]

wdym it’s dogsh**

[grim sorrel]

it has one of lowest velocity in game
biggest dispersion for tier
worst reload
no armour
no hull travers
no turret traverse
no forward-backward speed

[rough citrus]

Your right thanks for reminding me 🤓

Ok thanks 🤓

[balmy compass]

Why get Caliban when GSOR exists

[thorny smelt]

Probably that juicy HESH

[grim sorrel]

i have 64wr in it and almost 100 games, gotta say the dpm is awful so youre on a dice roll to do really well 2.5k+ or under 1000

and yep, GSOR is better in ever single aspect vs caliban, get the GSOR

[balmy compass]

GSOR can use its HESH more effectively

[grim sorrel]

yup, the velocity is over 1100 for GSOR, excellent gun handling and makes snapshots on the move very well

[balmy compass]

Imo GSOR has a quick reload for 2 shells

[grim sorrel]

yep only 14 seconds with big food package

[grim sorrel]

here are some comparisons to really highlight how mediocre caliban is

[rough citrus]

Ok

[balmy compass]

Must be a pretty fun tank to play tbh, decent speed, quick 2 shot with HESH and a nice reload

[grim sorrel]

definitely is, also insanely easy to ace it
only 1000-1100 for Mastery ace

[balmy compass]

That’s surprising given how it would be easy to deal damage and since it’s fairly new

[grim sorrel]

fr its crazy capable of clipping damage and getting kills, with hesh you have 3k dpm

[balmy compass]

I also gotta say the Legendary camo is pretty unique and cool looking too

[grim sorrel]

yeah def one of my favourite camos, up there with jotunn and the kpz50t camo

[balmy compass]

How is the accuracy? Especially after shot? The only 2 shot gun I got to play with was with the Yoh and I really didn’t like it

[misty wing]

kpz50t camo is stupidly overpriced, especially for a camo that doesn't have attachments built in

[grim sorrel]

it aims crazy fast, and the velocity and gun handling stats ensure you can hit a target even when youre full tilt

[balmy compass]

Aren’t most camos overpriced when they first appear

[misty wing]

nah the jotunn and krzemien were like 3k
kpz konig was 5k

[balmy compass]

Honestly GSOR sounds almost OP now 😂
Despite being so I still want it

[grim sorrel]

i got the camo after i aced the tank, usually you can get 30/50% off, i managed it for 2.5k gold

[balmy compass]

All the Halloween camos were cheaper then normal
But look at the Type 71 camo and T-100 LT camo when they first came out

[open sluice]

t54 mod1 lowkey bangs

[misty wing]

and both of those are far more over the top than the konig so it makes sense
and even then I don't think the Sankai was 5k

[grim sorrel]

its powercrept, give titan54 a shot, its like a mod1 and t9 t54 lovechild

[open sluice]

i dont wanna spend more wargaming has taken my soul

[grim sorrel]

loooooool

i just recycle my collector tanks tbh, its rare i ever spend money, i just reuse the money ive already spent

[misty wing]

nvm it was 5k gold

[balmy compass]

90% sure Sankai was 5k and the T-100 was 5.5k
There were also older camos like the Jageroo and VK 72 that were over 3k I’m sure

[open sluice]

true, true i like to keep a variety of vehicles

[misty wing]

all of them are better value than the konig even if they were 6k
that thing is like T-62A fearless tier

[balmy compass]

I will agree on that, Konig is pretty basic compared to the other recent camos, but hey, Kamfpanzer 50t is getting another cooler camo

[misty wing]

I'm hyped for the new t57 camo ngl
I know a lot of people think it's childish or whatever but I like it

reminds me of the sovereign skins from valorant

[balmy compass]

Same, it looks awesome, too bad I don’t have the T 57 but I probably wouldn’t have enough gold to spare to buy it anyway

[silver talon]

T34 Vs MT 25?

[balmy compass]

MT-25 for sure, even if it’s against T-34-85, MT got more mobility, burst damage and troll armor

[misty wing]

it's either a tier 8 or a tier 5 vs a tier 6, not a fair fight either way

[violet timber]

Why not a tier 8 and a tier 5 vs a tier 6?

[balmy compass]

Well if it’s against the American T34 then yeah the American T34 would win

[thorny smelt]

You mean T-34 vs MT-25? Hyphen/dash matters as to avoid confusion

[misty wing]

this is what the new T57 camo reminds me of

[vocal ether]

Hi

[silver talon]

I'm going to get a new car but I don't know whether to choose the T34 or the MT 25

[balmy compass]

That would depend on which are each of those tanks, doesn’t say much to my point but I beat a SU-152 and T-34-85 in a stock Tiger II before

[misty wing]

a new car 🤣

[balmy compass]

T7 Car:

[thorny smelt]

_>

[misty wing]

Carro da Combatimento (Combat Car) 45T:

[balmy compass]

True

[silver talon]

I use the tiger II a lot, I have it at level 20 and it is quite fun to use it personally

[thorny smelt]

Carrot 🥕

[silver talon]

A, hablas español, ok

[balmy compass]

It’s an easy tank to play
However I do suggest to not spend silver on ranks, they only give a camo and is quite overpriced

[misty wing]

it's italian but sure, I hear they're similar languages 😄

[balmy compass]

He is saying he is Spanish

[misty wing]

doesn't that mean he understands spanish, not that he is spanish

[silver talon]

looks more beautiful co. the camouflage, I was going to buy his legendary camouflage but the level 20 ddl seemed better to me.
I plan to get a VK 72 or a Mous

[violet timber]

It technically means that he speaks Spanish, but I’d assume in this case it’s also that he understands Spanish too

[misty wing]

yeah I speak spanish but I don't understand it

[open sluice]

idk what to think of the lansen c

[balmy compass]

Nice for you then 👍
I personally like some other camos I have
I would suggest getting the E 100 over the VK 72 as the E 100 is easier to play and the VK 72 is rather special and different

[balmy compass]

Paper high alpha medium
Comparable to the M4 Rev (French Sherman)

[open sluice]

idrk how to play it

[silver talon]

the E 100 is better than the Mous?

[misty wing]

si

[violet timber]

Sure, why not

[balmy compass]

Don’t frontline ig, peek a boo and outrade

@silver talon overall the E 100 can play better then the Maus

[silver talon]

.img Mous Vs E100 WOT blizt

[misty wing]

...?

[silver talon]

there are no bots here, sorry

[open sluice]

which line do i start

[violet timber]

All of them

[balmy compass]

If you’re saying who would win
E 100, because the Maus has lackluster penetration and the E 100 has strong armor, the Maus wouldn’t be able to reliably penetrate the E 100 and the E 100 has more then enough penetration to very reliably penetrate the Maus

[median snow]

minotauro

[balmy compass]

Kran is strong hulldown but imo is quite boring to play, same with 60TP
I haven’t gotten the Prog so I can’t say much
The TVP is meta rn since it has a insane burst potential

That’s all for today from Clone Wars Enthusiast’s tips and tricks for using tanks in WoTb, I have to go to bed now gn
(💀)

[grim sorrel]

what kind of style do you do best in?

who's ready for the new italian line? ive got like 20m credits and 1m free xp and 50% discounts for every tier just ITCHING to bully some poor slavic 40wr noobs

[odd cove]

how fun

[violet timber]

That’s nice

[grim sorrel]

nothing like pinning a tank against the wall while he panics in chat lul

[violet timber]

That’s nice

[odd cove]

definitely not fast enough for that

[grim sorrel]

doesnt need to be fast, just know your maps and when to put the pressure

[violet timber]

Good for you

[grim sorrel]

ive pinned AX with t28 defender and that thang slower than a lame mule, always good fun

[misty wing]

pinning tanks against the wall is no fun

[odd cove]

no action

[solid gate]

action 0

[misty wing]

and in all but the absolute best facehuggers, it just results in DPM trading, which is just dumb

[lilac mica]

💀
I regret spending $13

[fleet pagoda]

I spend $5 a month and that’s all

[safe marten]

I already completed mine

[fleet pagoda]

What’s the reason for getting all those tanks?

[hot ingot]

impress someone you dont like with stuff you dont need? 🤡

[safe marten]

Solely for collection 😅

[ebon bison]

hello

[fleet pagoda]

Then I will have to say impressive😁

[solid gate]

I find your lack of 53TP gaming disturbing

[foggy spire]

How are the Italian TDs?

[solid gate]

We don’t really know, we’ll see on release. Probably balanced, since everyone’s whining about them being OP 😂

[foggy spire]

I saved up 478k free xp for them…I hope they’re worth the free xp.

[oak pollen]

👍

[solid gate]

Nice, well new lines are nearly always meta, hopefully it’s an enjoyable playstyle though

[foggy spire]

I hear they’re hulldown beasts with decent guns.

[solid gate]

Yeah. Gun seems to be both it’s strength and downfall tbh

[foggy spire]

The first shell takes 20+ seconds to load for the T8-T10. So don’t shoot all 3 shells unless you really need to. The pen is also poor for a TD. 320mm is the worst for a T10

[solid gate]

Yeah, that’s true

[misty wing]

which tank looks the most normal with its turret reversed

[solid gate]

mauschen/conq

[misty wing]

honestly, batchat 25t isn't too bad

wait no I have the real answer
Rhm-B. WT

[solid gate]

it's actually any turretless td

[misty wing]

looks basically the same with the turret reversed

[solid gate]

no no, it's a bit weird imo, real ones are EBR 75/90/105

they even move at the same speed regardless of direction, so bonus points

[misty wing]

I mean from the side it's perfect, but the rear is just way too flat compared to the Borsig's rear which can pass for a normal upper and lower plate

[solid gate]

wdym

[misty wing]

on the EBR 105*

EBR 90 is a different breed

[charred dragon]

anyone know how to play the T55A, just got it from a mystery cert

[solid gate]

play it like a t54
if you don't know how go find a guide on it

[earnest pine]

Question to all WoTb players (also I'm new to this server) is Romanian ww2 tank destroyer Mareșal is useless yes or no?

This is a Romanian ww2 Mareșal tank destroyer

[solid gate]

That was what the Hezter was based off of iirc

[exotic fog]

No spoilers, please @misty wing (#rules)

[charred pawn]

When will there be the Finnish BT-42?

or Stug IV?

[earnest pine]

@charred pawn i don't know but lot of wt players like it because they called it baby kv-2 and I don't know why is bt-42 looks good in wt but in WoTb I don't know what tier it is or is it premium or collectible but still I like the bt-42 in wt

[charred pawn]

you're not wrong tho abt it being a collectible/premium, i think it will be most likely in tier 4 imo

[earnest pine]

@charred pawn while stug 4 is just stug 3 but faster than leopard or any light tanks definetly high damage than nashorn and high penatration just like a tiger or kv-1

The hit points of stug 4 is gonna be like 950 or 999 while it's armor is same as a panther while it's rotation is gonna be like 360 to 390 degrees of rotation and the rate of fire of this stug 4 is gonna be like light tanks or medium tanks

[onyx raven]

That’s an ‘if’ not a ‘when’

Also the StuG IV is just a StuG III but made on a Panzer IV chassis. It would be Tier V.

[charred pawn]

it frequently asked question on WoT blitz's instagram post so i just ask here cuz im curious too

[onyx raven]

Unless it has been confirmed, it’s safer to go with ‘if’

[charred pawn]

k

[pliant pike]

Probably is tier 5 Derp gun

Likely the Gargoyle, high score, nightmare and the other

[solid gate]

Put the ebr in the next batelpass please

[plucky summit]

Never happening

[solid gate]

Wy

[plucky summit]

Wheeled tanks don’t belong in Blitz

[solid gate]

all we need is semi impenetrable little demons running around at 100kph on tiny maps wdym, it's the secret recipe, the lamb sauce

[sage kraken]

*cough leopard *cough

[plucky summit]

Yeah and we need premium shells doing standard damage as well as reduced ability to counter hulldown-spamming with an HE rework

[solid gate]

don't forget +-75% rng spread for literally everything 😉

[plucky summit]

Nah I wanna be able to double roll my damage smh

[solid gate]

Just the + no -

[plucky summit]

Now those are some tungsten shells

[solid gate]

Also all autoloaders will immediately burst all their shells in the clip after a recent reload buff(-50%) in the 9.4.1 update. This results in them needing a rework to "shell reload boost" as it is now obsoleted. Now, autoloaders will receive tungsten shells and a brand new consumable, Clip Reload Booster. This enables the clip to be loaded instantly upon activation.

Additionally, since the gun now fires all shots simultaneously, the dispersion after shot for all autoloaders have been reduced to 0.000

Don't you hate it when someone shoots and breaks your Tracks and destroys them so then you'repair them and then they shoot your engine and now you can't move and your just sitting there they're like

[plucky summit]

Guns and turret will now have their own physics, where you can no longer practically facehug or sidescrape if your gun is long enough

Also tracks will now be broken for the duration of the battle if shot at all. Crew members stay dead, damaged ammo racks also halves your current shell count. Using damaged shells after you expend your safe shells cause a 15% ammorack chance each time they are fired

[solid gate]

L the leopard prototype A

We have also decided that the FV4005 is underperforming greatly in battle, and thus we have decided to buff it accordingly:
Turret armor increased from 14/14/14 to 350/350/349
Hull armor increased from 76/51/40 to 254/152/76
Weight increased to 50.00 from 48.46. To counteract this, Engine power has been increased to 2,000hp, and the top speed has been increased to 90/90
Aim time reduced to 1.5, dispersion reduced to 0.134
Turret traverse speed increased to 360 deg/s from 16.69, and the gun arc increased to 180/180 from 90/90
Magazine reload time decreased to 8.00s, alpha damage increased to 930/1300/1750
With the changes to this underwhelming tank, we hope that the battlefield will be a more enjoyable experience for everybody!

[plucky summit]

If a KV-2 player fires their 152mm gun, they will no longer be able to hear their game audio for the duration of the battle.

If a Maus lands on any tank that is not also a Maus, the victim will be transformed immediately into an AMX elc bis. If two mice are caught in a crush, they join a third team together and each operate one Maus turret of a double-stat Maus tank

[solid gate]

We've also noticed that the AMX 30B is overperforming and has been deemed overpowered and toxic by the vast majority of the playerbase and have thus lowered its tier to 1 and made its stats similar to the R35.

The Type 71 has also been overperforming lately. We have decided to nerf its traverse speed from 26 deg/s to 25.9 deg/s, and increased the dispersion from 0.364 to 0.365

[plucky summit]

This will be carried out by a 10-server process, where each server that updates gradually increases Type 71's dispersion by 0.0001 until all 10 servers are updated

[solid gate]

We have also decided that we shall be temporarily chat banning players for 1 day who are complaining that the Type 71 needs a nerf. We have done our best with our data collected and have heard the community feedback, and nerfed it accordingly.

[plucky summit]

Due to the tendency of human muscles to strengthen over usage, Black Prince's reload time will decrease by 0.05s each time it fires, Adrenaline doubles this effect

[solid gate]

Additionally, once this mechanic was implemented, we have decided to implement this feature to one of the most overpowered tanks in the game, the Fv215b 183. the difference is that each second, the dispersion, reload and aim time of the gun decreases by 1%

[late thistle]

I am kinda enjoying T28... I just press W and force my team to follow me and play around me

[solid gate]

That sounds balanced and reasonable tbh

[late thistle]

Thought for a couple secs the balance change text above was real

[plucky summit]

💀

If, for any reason, a T-100LT gets spotted, it will spontaneously take damage from its own tracer shells if they hit an enemy, as they trace back to the tank that fired it

[wet prism]

Same

[zinc quartz]

Is Minotauro coming to tech tree?

[plucky summit]

Yes

[solid gate]

I've just thought of another brilliant idea.
In light of the various complaints about two specific tier 7 mad games themed tanks, the Annihilator and the Smasher, we have decided to decrease their dispersion values to 0.000 and increase penetration values of all shells to 340mm. The reload time of their guns have also been decreased to 8.51s.

Specifically for the smasher, the Engine power has been increased from 600 to 60,000.

The gravedigger has also been completely removed from the game and everybody who has it available in their garage has had 2500 gold deducted from their account as tax.

[solid gate]

Wait what, the 183? No way! That's already the best tank in the game, the alpha means that. You literally want to take a tank with incredibly good alpha, the best tank in the entire game, and buff it further! IMO it should get its alpha nerfed to 800, same as the Jg. It's got less armour but it's faster and has a partial turret, meaning it can bully meds. That's another thing, the HESH needs removing. You literally can't rush a 183 in a med without taking 1625 dmg, like thats insane, you have to try and circle it or something. I'm stuck playing the Sheri exclusively in tier ten since it's spaced armour allows for some protection. But I mean I might have to even stop that, I was in a facehug and a 183 somehow heshed me still 🥺

[late thistle]

and maybe lower their crate drop rates to 0.000000001% while they're at it?

[solid gate]

No, increase their drop rates to 100%. This will allow for a level playing field at tiers 6-8. They will be included in the weekly epic crate.

[plucky summit]

The Super FV215b 183 as proposed by Moonco will be added to the game

The Pz. III/IV will be subtracted from the game

[solid gate]

We understand your emotions towards this tank but we feel that this buff will increase the enjoyment felt at Tier X.

Additionally, we feel that the Object 268 has been neglected by many players and have decided to revert it's HEAT shell penetration to 450mm.

[plucky summit]

Getting shot in battle will now send a painful electrical pulse to the player through their device. This will maximize immersion

[solid gate]

Once the player's tank has been destroyed, the pulse will increase in potency and will result in the death of the player in real life at a 5% chance. If the player does not die, they will receive a charm. Once the player collects 25 charms, the player will immediately fall dead.

[late thistle]

Will there be any changes to the Dracula?

[plucky summit]

The Dracula will not have a 15% life steal affect in terms of damage dealt

The Dracula will also lose 3% HP per second if it is in direct view of the Sun

[solid gate]

Speaking of the Dracula, we have decided to change the gun to a double-shot system similarly to the Helsing. The penetration will be increased to 255/326/65 in light of such a change, and the Helsing has been completely removed from the game. Compensation will be received in the form of 5 gold.

[plucky summit]

If, in any case, Dracula is shot by a Helsing, it will take double damage

The Mk. I Heavy will now immediately be destroyed upon entering a battle, but it will also be moved to tier 3.5 and become available to any player who owns the Medium III

[solid gate]

(You forgot 'Due to popular demand')

[plucky summit]

The KV-13 is now old enough to stay in this Discord server

All other KV tanks will be subtracted from the game

[late thistle]

Wondering if the 252U will receive any changes, could use a slight buff or two, kinda lost its former glory

[plucky summit]

As long as an Object 252U is functional in battle, every shot fired in the battle will hit its lower frontal plate

[solid gate]

Every shot fired from the Object 252U will also "luckily" gravitate towards enemy weakspots. If the tank is impenetrable from such an angle, the shell will go up and penetrate the roof armor

[plucky summit]

KV-4 will receive Uranium Shield and Half-Life Discharge, because, let's be honest, it won't do much

[solid gate]

The tank that really is left behind IMO is the tvp, the inter clip is just too long. I mean with 4 shells it should have like a tier V leopard interclip, maybe 0.7 between shells...thoughts? Also like the leopard, it should get four shells per shot

The TVP has been overperforming and thus no buffs shall be rendered.

[plucky summit]

In fact, it will receive a superbly large 14mm turret armor profile

[hollow notch]

You ok chikin?

[solid gate]

Excuse me, that wasn't very Wargaming-like of me. The TVP is obviously underperforming and if a TVP 50/51 is present in a battle, all members of the opposing team will receive 1,240 damage every 2 seconds.

[plucky summit]

T32 will now have 310 DPM

[hollow notch]

Yikes
Apparently not

[late thistle]

Any chance of a speed buff for the T28 and T95?

[solid gate]

That's hardly a change though

Penetration has also been reverted, buff from 198mm to 218mm has been reversed

[plucky summit]

T95 will no longer have a gun, and T28 will be used as brick material in future map additions

[hollow notch]

Lay off the shrooms

[plucky summit]

309 DPM.

[hollow notch]

3090

[lavish zodiac]

.3090

[solid gate]

The maus's size has been reduced in accordance to new paper handkerchiefs we have randomly found in the office. The maus' diameter has been written wrongly, instead of centimeters like originally intended, it was modelled falsely in 8.96m×3.70m×2.93m. We apologise for this inconvenience and the camouflage values of the tank have also been adjusted.

The teamwork consumable has been introduced to the game! Available only for pure gold, (250 per battle) this consumable, when used on your tank will ensure that all your teammates turn into Droodles and your winrate will be guaranteed to increase to at least 100%.

[plucky summit]

If an E25 player has fulfilled the following:

• Had a 51.96% winrate in the past 23 days
• Destroyed a TVP VTU within 90 seconds in a Fort Despair battle within the last 56 battes
• Charged up all three shots for the precision fire crew skill
• Remained undetected for the entirety of the current battle
• Penetrated an HE shell in any circumstance
• Brought a Smasher down to 91 HP before a teammates finishes it off
  Then:
  Every 4th consecutive shot will deal 1845.6 damage to a random enemy target if fired during an increment of 10 seconds of the battle

And for the final change in this update:

• LTTB's penetration loss over distance will be decreased from 4.67% to 4.56%

[late thistle]

Pretty good and balanced update overall, good job 👍🏻

[plucky summit]

These changes are not finalized, they can be changed at any time before the release.

We still have to consider how drastically the last change may affect the game 😊

[solid gate]

You think Maus is good?

[onyx raven]

Yo chickenman, I hate to ask again, but what’s the formula to calculate Autoloader DPM?

[onyx raven]

Wha

That would be oddly specific (and terrifying)

[empty helm]

RoF: 60÷(Reload Time)
DPM = RoF × (Average Damage)
I hate math

[nova creek]

Is it worth it to use my free xp for new tanks?

[onyx raven]

It’s different with Clips/Autoloaded guns. I already know about the standard DPM formula.

[weary tiger]

Use it for modules not the actual tank

[nova creek]

Is every tier good or should I just skip some tanks

[onyx raven]

What I need it one for a clip (makin a concept rn)

[weary tiger]

Well how much you have

[onyx raven]

What do you mean?

[nova creek]

Like 150k but I don't want to spend it on the tank if it's decent and won't be pain to play when upgraded

[empty helm]

That's why I hate math
There are too many version for a problem

[weary tiger]

I’d just free xp the 6 or 7 to max then start there

[nova creek]

Is tier 10 even good

[weary tiger]

The Italian td? Looks op tbh lol

[onyx raven]

Depends on the tank

[nova creek]

Ok imma grid it then and use xp for modules thx for info

[onyx raven]

Well tier 10s come fully upgraded

[modern rivet]

Not all.

Foch, e100, etc

[onyx raven]

Most do at the very least

[modern rivet]

Honesty I don’t see how AMX 30b is that bad, got it from a mystery certificate and I am really enjoying it.

Sure the armour isn’t great but it’s workable, the mobility is good and the gun is great, good handling and decent pen.

Can someone tell me why it seems to be viewed as below par?

[fierce inlet]

what's the current meta at t8 and t10?

[balmy compass]

tier VIII has the Shark

[kind tinsel]

Hello me new

[balmy compass]

tier X has the Type 71, Type 71 the Type 71 and special mention to the Type 71

[onyx raven]

Heavies. The meta is all heavies

[kind tinsel]

🙂

[plain abyss]

Okay hold up I need y'all's opinion best tech tree heavy

[balmy compass]

Type 71

[onyx raven]

What tier

[kind tinsel]

T1 heavy

[plain abyss]

Tier 10

[kind tinsel]

Is tier 5

[plain abyss]

In my opinion I'm actually not sure what it is I'm pretty bad at super heavies but t57 heavy looks like a good start

[onyx raven]

The Type 71 by a long shot. Ridiculous armour, surprisingly good mobility for a heavy, and a barely below-average gun

[kind tinsel]

Why?@plain abyss

[plain abyss]

Are you new to the game?

[kind tinsel]

Yes@plain abyss

[plain abyss]

Aah...

[kind tinsel]

: lol

[onyx raven]

You don’t need to keep pinging them

[plain abyss]

Ok anyway I'ma play the game

[kind tinsel]

@onyx raven me? Por?

[onyx raven]

You keep pinging people you’re talking to. You don’t need to do that.

[kind tinsel]

Lol@onyx raven

[onyx raven]

I just asked you to stop that. Please.

[wise moth]

The DPM is garbage for a medium

[kind tinsel]

@onyx raven 😂

Nice

[onyx raven]

Stop. Pinging. People.

[modern rivet]

That’s all?

I mean, you could say bourrasque has worse, despite both having a 105.

[solid gate]

The kv2 is very op

[balmy compass]

Based take

[onyx raven]

Sure. Now just hold still, I’m gonna snipe you with my ARL…

[wary sonnet]

It's not bad, it's just that all the other mediums (MBTs) are better than it.

[tranquil saffron]

waffle camelot sacrifice gun elevation for crazy dpm, better horsepower and accuracy

[wary sonnet]

Insane

[balmy compass]

According to WoTinspector Waffle Camelot still gets insane elevation

[lilac mica]

Just like Grille and Toaster

[balmy compass]

FlaK gun gameplay in gravity

[lilac mica]

real

[lament vortex]

Also according to the WoTInspector…

[balmy compass]

you are simulating a shot at the side plate at a incredibly insane angle 🗿

[lament vortex]

Yep

But it’s still possible.

[nova creek]

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