vehicles-discussion

[raven lintel]

T1 can't penetrate On mitsu's front shield

[plucky summit]

It can drill the lower plate 🙃

[raven lintel]

Airl Maybe yes

[plucky summit]

In game, yes.

[hot ingot]

when i play T1 mitsus arent a problem

[plucky summit]

If anything, Mitsu can’t deal with T1 Heavy 💀

[raven lintel]

Flanking from behind maybe

[plucky summit]

Well yeah, like any tank

[raven lintel]

Yep But Mitsu is too slow to have a "Blitzkrieg " 23KM LOL so it's kinda hard

[violet timber]

Oh no, anyways

[raven lintel]

Yep Sad I like mitsu only japanese monster mobile the real monster is for pc

[plucky summit]

O-I Exp. Is good, but not exactly great 😅

[neat nimbus]

Is worth saving free exp and any recommendations to use

[distant nymph]

well the Chi-Se also is kind of close-ish to the PC Heavies

[vital flax]

Save 2.5mil for Christmas box. You can grind tech tree free anytime. Use gamemodes for stock gaming

[neat nimbus]

Normally I do to get easy tier 10 but yeah maybe for the Christmas box

[low flax]

most op tech tree T10 is t-57 heavy right ?

[lyric copper]

no

its the Type 71

[oak pollen]

What I should research first ?
At8 or junu
I get 50% discount so I check what tank I have enough xp and it's at8 & Junu
So what I should research first?

[shy hound]

Maybe t1 heavy for tech tree idk… out of those 2 the Mitsu

[shy hound]

If you play tourneys, I’d head for the type 71. If you want memes head for 183

[lyric oriole]

I wanted my tier 5 tank with 120mm Anti-submarine gun

Low Pen AP and HEAT but slaps like a Real 120

[plucky summit]

I loved playing with the derp gun, but I trust the normie gun more
It's just not high enough damage per shot to fill the void in my life like O-I does

[swift ruin]

do you guys have a bug where you cannot research the t28 prototype when you clearly have enough xp?

[plucky summit]

Can you provide a screenshot?

[swift ruin]

can you send videos here?

[plucky summit]

I believe so, not sure about it though, screenshots will do

[plucky summit]

Oh weird, it won’t let you use your free XP 🤔

Try restarting the game rq

[swift ruin]

yeah my friend actually has this problem too except he has enough XP

[plucky summit]

Sounds like a restart won’t do, then, what server are you in?

[sleek apex]

Research it from the garage (click ranks then the thing above the pentagon thing on left of your screen), had the same issue but instead it wouldnt let me use the combat exp i earned.

[plucky summit]

Nvm I can’t quite find the bug reports channel, must’ve been somewhere I can’t access or deleted

[dreamy osprey]

1. Bug reports channels were removed. @plucky summit
2. You have to go to previous vehicle and then research from there. Going directly from tech tree not allowing research is a known bug. @swift ruin

[plucky summit]

💀

It’s very disheartening making a tier 2, since WG already boiled most of them down to do the same thing

[swift ruin]

thank you man

[sleek apex]

👍🏼

[opaque flicker]

Geschützwagen E-100

240mm

How would yall nerf this behemoth? Bigger gun than the 183, hull of the E-100

[surreal osprey]

Make it a premium in crates

[opaque flicker]

Honestly I'd just make it slower than the JgPz E100.
Id also give it paper thin rear armor so it can be HE'd, then I'd give it 2050 hitpoints.. less than the JgPz E100.

I'd make it a Tier X collectable with the same rarity as the Kpz 50 t

For its gun I'd give it an 18.8 second reload at its fastest, 320 penatration, 1100 damage per shot, 0.633 dispersion, and a 5.6 second aiming time

Also to keep things from going haywire, I'd have the RNG go below the damage instead of above so we dont get shots that do 1300 damage.

Also 320 AP pen
390 HEAT pen
112 HE pen

Its HE will do 40% more damage so it doesnt one shot everything, so its average HE damage would be 1540

[violet timber]

If you have rng that goes below, why don’t you just make the alpha lower…

[opaque flicker]

It still needs to appeal to the 240mm gun, it wont go too low on RNG, itll be like what.. 8% at lowest, so its average is 1012 to 1120

So its slow, big strong gun with incredible penatration, with bad rear armor, so it's most certainly a midrange sniper at best or a support to teammates

Kinda like the 183 but with no turret at all

[misty wing]

it's literally an arty from wot PC

[opaque flicker]

I dont care I tankified it

[misty wing]

and it has a 210mm in PC

[oak pollen]

Thx

[opaque flicker]

Ah well I read the actual tank encyclopedia, it originally had a 240mm

"Löwe 24 cm (Eng: Heavy gun carrier Lion 24 cm) created by a German modeller in the 2000s. Over a decade later, the video game company Wargaming was looking for a German self-propelled gun to fill the spot for the Tier X German Self-Propelled Gun (SPG) line in their game World of Tanks. The modeller’s abomination suited their needs."

I just made it more suitable for blitz and turned it into a tank destroyer, removing the SPG

"Schwerer Geschützwagen Löwe 24 cm (Eng: Heavy gun carrier Lion 24 cm)"

[deep shore]

Chimera has a dispersion of 0.345 and about 5 seconds of aim time. That seems pretty bad on paper. Is it worth spending gold on chimera or am i better off with the prog 46

[viral falcon]

Pretty baaad??? It's a tier 8 high-alpha gun with one the best handling.

[oak pollen]

I hate facing that tonk

[deep shore]

So Chimera all the way??

Cuz if yes i need to bring out the gold boosters😬

[hollow sequoia]

those are just the stats ingame, there are hidden soft stats on how the gun handles and blooms. it has great gun handling

[hot ingot]

stop talking about buying chimera here, its not in the shop and i want to have it 😆

[slow pendant]

How come Ferdinand has 2 different prices?

[hollow belfry]

Researching a TD from a heavy costing more exp than from a TD is unsurprising

[oak pollen]

Research across the tech tree line will cost you more xp

[slow pendant]

Thanks, still better than going and doing TD line from start @oak pollen

[late thistle]

Thoughts on WZ-112-2 vs Obj 252U? Which one is better?

[solar turtle]

Wz more speed, no Pike Nose, no cupolas, better reload, worser damage
Obj more armor, pike nose, bigger damage, longer reload, average speed for heavy tank

[viral falcon]

I'd say the 112-2 is better and more fun to play.

[solar turtle]

As a wz user i agree, but you still have those russian accuracy though

[lean fjord]

Which Is Better Jg.Pz. E 100 or FV215 183? in askin cuz im stuck whit the Tier 9 already research

[copper swan]

do both

[lean fjord]

Alright thanks

[violet timber]

Some tanks have a “right” research path and a “wrong” research path. Not that it matters much for the Ferdi since the JP 2 is better

[normal spade]

Hello any tips for T 20? its the first time that i went for american tanks🥲

[flint bear]

Play it like a light tank

[flint bear]

Wz>252 u

Oops, answered to wrong guy

[oak pollen]

Maybe play like T21 (Lt)

[leaden obsidian]

#nerftype71

[pallid pasture]

Heisenberg has spoken. #nerftype71

[leaden obsidian]

i cant do anything when i fight type 71 with fv4202

[rigid thunder]

jesse
we need to cook

[leaden obsidian]

because i dont have heat sheels

[normal spade]

so i have to play it like a LT?

[tepid stump]

jesse
we need to load prammo

[normal spade]

what playstyle does the pershing have??

[violet timber]

Hulldown dpm monster

[normal spade]

hull down?

[violet timber]

Yes.

[normal spade]

but i tried the armor inspector its so penetrable by its face

[violet timber]

It’s worse if you show the hull. At least hulldown they only have your turret to look at. And meds will have some trouble getting through the big mantlet you have

[normal spade]

hmmm okie okie

Why do she look like a penetrable tank ;-;

[plucky summit]

It is, but the best aspect is the DPM and nice mobility, while the turret is solid enough to support hulldown peeking

I mean, wiggling the turret will already do a number on their attempts to penetrate, it's not like they'll win the DPM fight ;)

Now I'm pretty sure it's less solid than it seems due to some inconsistencies between the game and wotsinspector, but still

[swift trout]

Yeah
Just wiggle and you should be good
Nothing gets through the mantlet

[spice summit]

Which equipment on panther

[normal spade]

ohh thank you thank you i get it now ^-^

how about the patron? in T 10? same playstyle?

[plucky summit]

Basically, but less preferable 💀

[normal spade]

wdym?

[plucky summit]

Tier 10 is much more rigorous for hulldown. I’m not sure, but the Patton looks like it won’t perform as greatly with that playstyle

[normal spade]

ohh so how the patton can perform on its battle?

cuz im more of medium/light tank main, im having hard time using heavies due to the "frontline"

[solid gate]

I think it’s more solid? Could be wrong but I think the Pershing turret is actually very strong but armour inspector doesn’t show the correct armour values

[solid gate]

It’s quite good hull down, hard cupola to hit, it’s got penetrable cheeks so you have to be quick when peeking, got some nice hull armour can be used to brawl a little and good at ramming, gun has pretty nice dpm, bad on paper accuracy but quite good on movement dispersion I believe, so works well with its peek and shoot quickly/brawl playstyle, top speed is bad at 48 kmh but mobility and acceleration are both pretty good, I’m a 40%er in the tank so I can’t really give great advice, it’s a bit of a jack of all trades perhaps, not the easiest tank to play. (I did average around 2k+ and get two 4K dmg games last session I had in it though so maybe I’m learning how to use it better 🤷‍♂️)

[wise moth]

The mantlet armor isn’t correct in armor inspector. In armor inspector and blitzhangar, it says that there’s 0mm behind the mantlet, but in reality, there’s about ~100mm there, so you need ~295mm pen or so to get through.

That said, the real turret weakness is the cupola, so if they get good aim on you, they can pen, but with the best in class gun handling, it’s easy to snap off shots before they can aim at the cupola

[sharp raven]

Is this tank classified as Super Heavy ??

[plucky summit]

The enemy is classified as incompetent or unlucky

[solid gate]

Grille 15s with Steele wall medals lol

Also @plucky summit do you know if the leo pta has extra depression over the side? Like the Ru 251 and e 50, I can't remember from playing it but I don't think it does

[plucky summit]

Ig Ima check

[solid gate]

Thanks, does armour inspector tell you? It's a pain to use on mobile so I couldn't be bothered checking

[plucky summit]

Nope, armor inspector does tell, it's 6° all around but then forced to +1° over the rear

[wise moth]

Mighty Bat Chat armor

[solid gate]

Oh right, well thanks @plucky summit, imo it should be changed to -10 over the sides, at least as a compromise as it should probably get -9 overall. Yeah the raised engine platform is a pain on the leo 1 too

[plucky summit]

You shouldn't be fighting over your rear anyways

PT A is just garbage, soo

[solid gate]

Yeah of course, just occasionally a pain considering a lot of the playstyle is hit and run, and I don't think it's garbage, needs depression though

[plucky summit]

Eh, I skipped to Leo 1, so 🗿

[solid gate]

Oh haha, I was very new so I immersed myself in the full stock playstyle xd

[plucky summit]

Poor soul.

[lyric copper]

PTA is a sad tank that leads to an overshadowed one

[solid gate]

I was popping 225 alpha with a power to weight of 16 or so for a long time, don't know if I even upgraded the tracks💀

[ruby salmon]

Damn.. leo pta even with top gun.. sucks.. around 5 aim time and 3.5 dispersion at 75 crew..

[solid gate]

True, but it's got good dpm for a tier nine med, comparable to the m46 patton and type 61 I think

[ruby salmon]

Should have played ru and free xp the tier9.. hffft

[solid gate]

Haha, yeah I wasted all my fxp on getting the leo instead of playing the Ru then spent ages on the stock pta. Don't ask what my brain processes were when I started this game

[lyric copper]

the Type 61 is unironically better than the PTA

[late thistle]

I'm enjoying the T-54 ltwt a lot and currently grinding for both lines with it (med & light). How's the tier 9 light? Is it worth playing or should I skip it for the T-100 LT?

[lyric copper]

horrid stock but alright when maxed out

[lyric copper]

gets down to .299 with 100% crew

[solid gate]

Uhh no, possibly with equipment and double food provisions

[solid gate]

I wouldn't skip it, i think it's a pretty good tank, however more like a med than a light, just by looking at it, haven't played it myself

[lyric copper]

thats the accuracy assuming no RG, but with double food

[solid gate]

Right, interesting I was certain the accuracy was a lot worse, must have just noticed the aim time

[ruby salmon]

I don't really care about the dispersion really.. it's the aim time that's sucks

[lyric copper]

the aim time is just sad

[ruby salmon]

Sheridan aim time is faster rn against my 75 crew pta.. plus playing wz121.. it feels for ever now

[solid gate]

Well, its very bad, but still don't compare stock tanks with non stock tanks

[ruby salmon]

Even if it's not stock pta.. it will be bad... The tank needs a aim time buff for sure

[solid gate]

Yeah, at least a gun dep buff

[lyric copper]

nah give it and the Leo 1 something actually unique, like 270/320 pen

see now you can fully use your dpm no matter what armour you face

and people should be scared because you can pen them more

[solid gate]

Uhh leo 1 is pretty much perfect as it is, and it has 360 alpha now which is unique

[ruby salmon]

Lol... It's just my opinion but.. i can live with a 2.5k DPM 230 pen PTA if the guns accurate and got very good aim time

[lyric copper]

360 barely is a difference

its alright, but completely overshadowed in the current meta

what is a Leo 1 meant to do against an E50M other than wait for it to turn its turret. Use HEAT? Which means the Leo 1 has to sacrifice its alpha advantage and DPM advantage just to pen, whereas the E50M can just pop a standard into its turret

giving the Leo 1 270 standard allows it to fight against a hulldown E50M effectively rather than "oh cool its an e50m guess i cant play this flank anymore"

[ruby salmon]

Leo 1 is more of a support tank, I'd run if I see a e50 started doing stuff like that 2 me.. 😀

[lyric copper]

the biggest weakness of the leo 1 is in fact its strength

you have good dpm, but need to peek constantly to use it, and since you have no armour, you can tell that any TD will look at you and see not a 3.7k dpm monster, but free damage

[wise moth]

Don’t facehug the E-50M. In a brawl, Leopard can win a 1v1 against any med in close combat if you make sure to pen all your shots due to the massive DPM advantage

[ruby salmon]

Every tank got its strength and weeknesses dude.. well most of the tanks

[lyric copper]

in a brawl against an e50m

sure.

[wise moth]

Leo 1 is way faster than E-50M. When he goes for the facehug, do a quick juke and farm him out

[solid gate]

Well, its got other strengths, its not meant to be facing an e 50 m in a close up 1v1, but put a skilled leo 1 vs an e 50 m it'll win every time, superior camo superior view range superior accuracy superior dpm even if caught in a brawl, and of course faster acceleration

[lyric copper]

and how do you expect to get out of the facehug attempt? sideways?

[wise moth]

By not getting into a facehug in the first place

[solid gate]

Yes that's true, something people don't take into account when talking about how bad a leo is in brawls

[wise moth]

You just turn so your side faces him at like a 45 degree angle, and when he goes in, you drive forward

[lyric copper]

not even talking about facehugs

if we're talking hypotheticals, one MT each side, both are equally skilled

Leo 1 vs E50M

and there is hill cover

haha how funny

[wise moth]

Leo is not meant to peek 1v1’s against other meds. Either wait for him to get bored and try to push you, or relocate, or wait for a teammate to bail you out

[solid gate]

The leo 1 could just peek a boom using HEAT if necessary, the e 50 m would have trouble even hitting it, anyway half the point of the leo is that it gets to pick it's fights, no use saying "it's bad in this particular situation"

[wise moth]

Leo isn’t a “hull down and trade shots” tank. You pretty much just snipe until there’s a breakthrough to exploit, or an isolated heavy or TD that you can circle and shred

[lyric copper]

the 50m is more than accurate enough to just snipe it back

leo 1 is overshadowed, its got good stuff but isnt suited to today's hulldown meta sadly

[solid gate]

Not if the leo is quick and good enough at peeking, it's got superior on movement dispersion, and as i said the leo 1 has all the means at its disposal to pick its fight

Also, while not great vs hull down, at least it can snipe cupolas, as long it's not spotted/being focused obviously

[solid gate]

2 millions in 1 day hehe

after buying my tier 10, i will have to farm another 6 million 😵‍💫

[neon compass]

Should vk 90 get a nerf? When yes what kind of?

[solid gate]

I don’t think so, seems balanced to me

[plucky summit]

It’s purely gimmick-based, but it didn’t need reticle calibration

[solid gate]

The vk 90 has reticle calib? No one would use it anyway, much better off with two repair kits

[wise moth]

No. Tier X is the 2nd most player tier

[solid gate]

Late at night it can be hard, I guess it depends what server he’s on? Also respect for the playerbase, I thought it would be 3rd

[wise moth]

8

[solid gate]

That’s pretty horrible, gets downtiered the majority of the time

[muted raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXx53T5Axek

[solid gate]

A lot of people play tier eight, especially compared to tier seven, therefore a lot of the time tier seven players will face tier eight. While tier eight will face tier seven a lot, tier nine will face ten, ten can only face nine, and tier six will face five and vice versa

It hasn’t loaded yet 💀

Oh that, it’s a crew skill thing, I’m not up to explaining it’s too late over here

Well I think it’s that one, sounds like you know what it is, it just pops up in battle to tell you that you’ve used it or trained it a bit more

No worries, sorry I’m not up to really explaining crew skills in detail right now lol, ping me tomorrow and I’m happy to

Yes, works for everything, the camo crew skill is the most important imo, then the traverse one, that’s why it’s good to grind a couple of td lines when first starting to help with those skills first, and use your elite Xp on them first to get to level 5

[plucky summit]

You've dealt damage with 1 of your 3 shots, and once you land three consecutive damaging shots, your 4th one has a decent chance of maxrolling on damage, depending on your skill level.

"Precision Fire" from the light tank skills

[solid gate]

Awesome, no worries, finally someone who has a specific question that’s clear 😅

[solid gate]

Ah is that what that is, looks like a camo net lol

[plucky summit]

I like precision fire, it's my favorite crew skill and it's obvious when it helps you

[solid gate]

Try to choose crew skills that are useful all the time and are the least situational, hasty shot is situational from memory

Nice, but basic rule is to start off with non situational ones

[plucky summit]

Up to a 35% chance of maxrolling, so you can assume a solid maxroll will work once every three times

By times I mean landing 4 damaging shots consecutively

[solid gate]

Yeah

[wise moth]

Hasty shot is one of the better light tank crew skills. Precision fire still probably the best, but hasty shot is really nice, since when it activates, it almost always nets you an extra shot of damage that you didn’t deserve

Yeah, Bat Chats play pretty much identically to the 13 90, although they’re a little chunkier

[brave juniper]

Yes

[solid gate]

Oh right, look I can’t remember the names tbh, but I thought hasty shot was only activated in very particular circumstances

[hot ingot]

it should be 5km/h slower

[plucky summit]

That’s pretty considerable

[balmy compass]

question why it has reticle cali

[late thistle]

only got 1st class for a 5.1k dmg game in the amx 30 1er prot, madmen must be playing this tank...

[humble jungle]

From where will the Italian TDs start from?

[low rampart]

Probably same as every European line, on Strvm42

[shy hound]

the skill applies to all tanks, not just light tanks, but I think it can only be TRAINED in light tanks.

[sleek apex]

The italian td line starts from tier V so Lago

[normal spade]

Hi thank you for the help hahahah i tried earlier i was so lucky that the enemies are stupid and keep hitting my tracks while im on the run hahahah i think i blocked over 2.3 k using my tracks and got a 3k damage on flanking and destroyed 2 tank destryers, but still didnt got the ace ;-;

[tepid stump]

Yup, any crew skills learned apply to all tanks, but need a specific tank type to train

[solid gate]

I didn't know Sheridan had aluminum armor

[misty wing]

what do y'all think is cooler looking, T-62A or Object 140
current pbr situation aside

[solid gate]

T-62A

[solid gate]

Well, OBJ 140 was far ahead, but since the update I'm not sure, they've added the classic looking Russian upper plate and changed the turret, not sure if t 62a might be better looking now

[tepid stump]

should I get IS-5? Or naw?

[brave juniper]

F2p? Yes

[ancient iron]

what ammo loadout do y'all use on the T49?

[tepid stump]

16 HEAT, 8 HE

[solid gate]

Yes, for 1.5k gold it’s an incredible deal, I don’t like the tank myself but it’s decent, probably like a worse Obj 252u but a better IS 3, however if you spend money on the game then no the actual tank isn’t really worth it, it’s mostly a good credit grinding tank. Still if you want to try out the playstyle 1.5k is nothing even if you’re not F2P and don’t need a premium.

[tepid stump]

Alright thank you, Sir Carius

[solid gate]

No worries, Sir Ezra 😉

[ionic adder]

FV4202 ❤️ my new love

[normal spade]

hello just asking, how dies the ranking works? :/

[meager cedar]

If you’re F2P and don’t have a premium go for it. If you have better T8 heavies no

[tepid stump]

Only tier 8 premium hts I have are VK 168 and Skoda T56

[flint bear]

Just for collection. It’s cheap

[thorny smelt]

You cannot complain with IS-5's asking price of 1.5K gold for a tier 8 premium

[tepid stump]

true, and the fact you need clan box tier 10

[thorny smelt]

About the Object 252U, I though its max speed is 40 kmph. I guess not.

[oak pollen]

Anyone have suggestion how to play is-5 ?

[solid gate]

Sidescrape, roll with meds because you have good mobility and your armour will work best vs them, keep at mid-short range to give you a small chance to actually hit anything

[oak pollen]

Thx

[solid gate]

No worries 👍

[wise moth]

Don't bother sidescraping. Just play hulldown at close range.

[heady forge]

Hey guys, is Y5 Firefly good and how to get it as the F2P player?

[odd cove]

it is a decent modified t-34, which was up for grabs in a event a while ago

[heady forge]

But thats p2w one

[brave juniper]

The event from which you could get the 3 y6 tanks completely for free with just a bit of skill was the 6 year anniversary

[heady forge]

I didn't know that ._. , I thought its the P2W event, so i didn't focus on that and i focus on High Score

[brave juniper]

Yeah so uh, that event was a few years ago, pretty sure if you weren't playing by then you wouldn't get it anyway

[oak pollen]

I first come in Blitz 5th birthday (in f2p part I guess from information I have). Then I come again on Blitz 8th birthday (in p2w part this time)

[odd cove]

the events are pretty much p2w now, it wasn’t like that before

[violet timber]

It’s not even a T-34

[violet timber]

There are plenty of f2p events as long as you have a bit of skill

[violet timber]

The Y5 tanks are in general average, nothing really special about them

[copper swan]

Y5 T-34 the best Y5 tank
Y5 firefly is decent
Y5 ELC bis has decent dpm but weak turret, low apcr damage, and quite slow at only 50km/h

[oak pollen]

What about Pz IV and T21 and pudel and baguette panther and ?

[flint bear]

Tier 6. Nothing special for those events to be easy

[violet timber]

112-2

[flint bear]

Such a good tank for this event. I got it from a crate, only bad thing about it-gun

[oak pollen]

I just show example of f2p event

[fleet berry]

dommigomi#1879 was banned

[distant nymph]

Tips on the ISU152? (I got it full upgraded). As I spawn 15-20 seconds late due to my connection I can't really go to position quick enough to snipe.

I just often get rushed (big damage = priority target) and just connect 1-2 shells before I die. I just find it generally unenjoyable while most people find it very fun and amusing to play it

[plucky summit]

Yeah, getting in position at the start of a battle is pretty important 💀

[foggy spire]

Is the AMX 30B, AMX 30 1st prot, and Centurion 5/1 bundle worth it?

[plucky summit]

Personally, I loved playing just the Cent 5/1. It’s a very comfortable tank given the accurate gun and great turret armor

[foggy spire]

How about the AMX 30 1st prot and the AMX 30B?

[plucky summit]

30B falls behind, and I'm not sure I enjoyed the 30 1er, seems like a hulldown medium that can't exactly hulldown, so you have to just not get shot at

[foggy spire]

Gotcha.

[late thistle]

I think the bundle with the 2 tanks is worth it, cent 5/1 & amx 30 1er

[oak pollen]

Just connect your shell and don't get spot cuz you have the best gun in tier 8 (DPM is not bad and pen is ridiculous)

[subtle dock]

VK 168, Eagle 7, Svear

Caernarvon AX, Centu Mk5/1, Progetto, Dracula, Helsing, Tiger 131 was an prize event for f2p

[plucky summit]

AMX CDC, Gravedigger, and Tankenstein were possible too 💀

[subtle dock]

Yes, that's it

[tulip knot]

M41d, e75 ts, I think chieftain mk. 6?

[lyric copper]

chieftain nope

[hollow notch]

Allow me to introduce you to snowglobes

[lyric copper]

wasnt a prize event for F2Ps

[brave juniper]

It was, you get a free one that u can grind every year

[lyric copper]

its only a chance to get the chieftain so is it really one

[brave juniper]

it is, as well as a chance to get about any other prizes available every year since they vary, like 6 t10s and a few t9/8 tanks with like 4 t7 collectors/prems

[foggy spire]

Is AMX 30B good?

[tulip knot]

Why do I have 30/100 chieftain mk. 6 charms then? I didn’t buy them..

[brave juniper]

It's fun, and good for the truly skilled

[night citrus]

bruh all the Y5 tanks suck in general, if your gun is big enough, HE can pen 100% of the time

[shrewd basalt]

I sell all of them since its just cromwell with different turret 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[night citrus]

Y5 T-34 is just a T-34 with worse hull armor, Y5 firefly is just a sherman turret on a bad hull, and Y5 elc is just a elc with high rof, but not enough armor for it to survive long enough

[shrewd basalt]

Yeah since all of its hull based from cromwell

[night citrus]

oh it is, now wonder its bad

[shrewd basalt]

That's why I sell it all 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cromwell B is already enough for me
No need 3 more hull on 3 different tier

[solid gate]

Finally 🙏

Now I'll have to farm another 6 million again

[plucky summit]

Well, selling tanks is really unhealthy for your total credits

[foggy spire]

Why the Leopard? It’s not the most beginner friendly tank, and it’s hard to use.

[solid gate]

I'm not a beginner, this is my third account and I've been playing since 2019, I lost the login of two and I migrated to the NA server

[foggy spire]

Gotcha. Then have fun!

[plucky summit]

Maybe you should write down your acc info lol

[solid gate]

I confess that I thought about doing this, but it wouldn't cover half the total cost for a tank that isn't even Premium

it's even sad that I don't have much information about this tank in my language, so I have to watch everything in English and that's tiring

[misty wing]

just watch it in french ez

[hot ingot]

not if they are collector tanks 🙂

sold my smasher today for defender mk1 🥳

[plucky summit]

Unhealthy for total gold :p

[hot ingot]

Sold Collector Tanks: Super Conq, 268/4, Obj907, Badger, Smasher and some BP Tanks thats a ton of gold lol

the only higher tier collector i wont sell is my stargazer

its the only tier9 collector right?

[hollow notch]

50tp prototype

[balmy compass]

And the soon to be Waffle Camelot

[stiff cape]

This article about the history of British infantry tanks is really interesting.
http://www.tankarchives.ca/2017/11/infantry-sweet-spot.html?m=1

[solid gate]

How to Destroy an E-100's Ammo Rack

[balmy compass]

Well yeah, that’s where some of the racks are

[thick trout]

Yup that's a mod that will get you banned, nice job

[sleek apex]

Lol

[wanton marlin]

The good ol days of wot pc. I miss em

[copper swan]

is grille 15 line worth grinding anymore, and are the tier 9s and 10s in that line worth playing anymore?

[potent palm]

u make big boom with paper armor

tbh depends on how u play lmao some ppl grind it and r really good at it

[solid gate]

It's really just a quick Google search for "(insert tank name here) weak spots"

[tepid stump]

Should I fully equip my FCM 50T and T-44-100?

[balmy compass]

Grille is a shell if it’s former self
Not really worth it since the Waffle is literally better in nearly every aspect

[fleet pagoda]

Where can I read about how the rank of your tank works

[flint bear]

Badger and 268/4💀

[muted frost]

Hehehe

[muted frost]

when will the M4 90V will be released?

[sleek apex]

Thats on WoT Pc, not WoTB

[muted frost]

well they released some unreleased maps on wot pc into blitz

[sleek apex]

Thats unlikely when they are having a field day with auto(re)loaders

[hot ingot]

guys the coming patch got a few buffs for the T54 i wonder if the same happens with the T55A?

[misty wing]

No

[muted frost]

some tier 9s are depressing

[solid gate]

10 degrees is the max for that tier

[hot ingot]

it depends if its a positive or negative depression

[solid gate]

Elevation is what you mean I think? Or did I miss a joke 🤭

[normal spade]

hi

ik tiger 1 is a good tank.....
but i alwats die ;-; how do i win this tank? ;-;

[hollow belfry]

don’t rely too much on your armor, especially against T8s

help your mediums and abuse your great mobility coupled with a good gun

[normal spade]

okie okie thank you

[shy hound]

If you are going to keep and play with them

[shy hound]

Tier 7 not 8 it's a tier 6 right

[violet timber]

No, Tiger 1 is a tier 7

[flint bear]

Nop it’s tier 2

[oak pollen]

Its mt with good armor (especially turret)
I got ~2k avg dmg & ~75% winrate in that tank lol

[turbid drift]

Can you only get collector tanks from crates?

[thorny smelt]

Just don't buy crates

[lyric oriole]

Welp it's now been 3 months since the Japanese Heavies have been added

[plucky summit]

Clearly the T-44-85 was added 3 months ago 🤪

[gilded badge]

What's your opinion about the fl10?

[tulip knot]

Decent I think. I don’t see it enough to really know

[gilded badge]

The penetration is 152 or something like that with Cali and the gun angles are quite bad but it's possible to have fun with it

[old glade]

Was the vk 90 nerfed?

[lyric copper]

eank does nothing

[solid gate]

Not that I know of, when?

[old glade]

Just gathering some info, I love german heavy tanks and was wondering when it might pop up in store to finally acquire it

The king of sidescraping it’s what it’s famous for

[lyric copper]

king of sidescraping then gets penned in the cheeks by prammo

[violet timber]

The king of side scraping is the Maus

[solid gate]

I don’t believe it’s been nerfed recently, and it’s still an amazing sidescraper and definitely worth getting. @lyric copper no it’s actually surprisingly strong, way better than Maus or even vk 72, hard to hit and blocks a lot

[lyric copper]

ive hit so many shots in the cheeks its become funny

[violet timber]

The cheeks are kinda big, and it can’t angle like a Maus can

[old glade]

Still better than the maus

[solid gate]

The majority of the playerbase apparently can’t lol (including me a lot of the time 😬), if you wiggle a little the cheeks are actually tiny

[lyric copper]

honestly just down to knowing your gun

lower shell velocity? wait until they shoot and inevitably turn the turret back, pre-fire so that your shell will land on the cheek

higher shell velocity? just aim at the cheek with prammo

[old glade]

Once it starts to dance, it’s extremely hard to pen it lol

[solid gate]

True, but it’s still a highly effective turret, very strong hull down as well as sidescraping

[lyric copper]

yeah why it needed retcal and -10 gundep makes no sense to me

[old glade]

If the player knows how to back out after shooting, it’s almost making people want to only use HE on it instead of just aiming for a long time

Spectating without moving the turret is a must on the tank

[subtle lynx]

how do I do well I’m my fcm 50t, its so hard to play

[lyric copper]

you dont, its a bad tank

[subtle lynx]

It’s gun is great, it’s mobility is great, and people I fight in it bounce shots

but I cnat bounce anything

[lyric copper]

the fcm is a joke of a tank and clear reasoning why french people cannot design tanks without other nation's assistance

they've only managed to make 3 actually logically designed tanks

[polar basin]

Is TP45 good tank? Ive been playing it alot and it seem like its pretty easy to play for me atleast

[balmy compass]

pretty good tank, but not too busted either

[lyric copper]

^ its good, but by no means is it a T29

[polar basin]

What about the line going on till TP60?

Whats the worst to keep away from?

[lyric copper]

we put the TP after but okay

yeah, 60TP line is nice, but the whole line is rotten without top modules

the 53TP and 50TP are among the most powerful tanks of their tier

[polar basin]

Damn alright, will get grind that line then, after that will get Yoh😀

[solid gate]

The retcal is weird but doesn’t matter because no one will use it, repair kit is far more useful especially considering it’s a sidescraper, and the ten degrees is needed over the side to make it an effective sidescraper, it would be very hard to use without it. A rear mounted turret makes depression harder to use than normal

[misty wing]

?

[stiff cape]

Anybody here into 3D modeling?

I'm wondering if there's a way to convert the Grizzly M60A7 MBT hover tank from the classic video game Battlezone into a tracked vehicle, with a redesign while keeping it close to the original profile as a way to pay homage to what was one of the most fun tanks you could pilot in any game ever made.

Here's a modern HD render of it

[balmy compass]

does it have eyeballs, it looks like there is an eye in the lower hull

[stiff cape]

You've got to admit, it's a good looking tank....

It was a main battle tank with 2x gun, 1x mortar, and 1x special weapon slots.

[balmy compass]

looks like a boat

[stiff cape]

It was a hover tank

When you remove the tracks that's what the underbelly actually looks like on most tanks. It has that boat like shape underneath.

[violet timber]

Only a few tanks are boat shaped like that

Mainly the M48, M60, and T110s

[stiff cape]

Well the original game was designed when a lot of Tanks had that shape, and then they remade the game in the late 90s as a modern combat simulation

[violet timber]

The only tanks to really use that shape were the M48 and M60

[stiff cape]

Yep, that's what I'm talking about, American tanks from that time

Most tanks during that time that this type of main battle tank was designed on seemed to have that shape. That's what I'm really referring to. I didn't mean all tanks. It's an American tank based on American tanks from around that era.

The original game was made in the '70s

And they also tried to keep in mind that they were trying to design the way they might have designed futuristic looking vehicles back in the 50s and 60s when the space race was happening during the Cold War

That's when the game actually takes place

So, basically when they made this game they were looking at pictures of tanks from that era and the popular ones from the United States would have looked like that.

Sorry I'm waking up right now so I'm not talking very well. 😋

Holy hell, how did I never know that. In the game command refers to you as Grizzly 1, and I just read that was the name of a Canadian built Sherman tank with minor modifications

🤯 I can't believe I'm finding that out after 24 years!

[safe cedar]

Is there any chance of a considerable AMX 30b rework/buff in the near future

[zealous anchor]

What would you love to see being changed on it?

[solid gate]

Everything I think 🤯

[plucky summit]

1. Can you literally not spam messages in every channel?
2. At least describe the situation, it's not like they'll instantly know who you are and what your problem is
3. As far as I know, you requested a refund for the T28 Defender and you've lost the tank and haven't received your refund yet?

[frank pecan]

FL10 is innovative turret but have severe problems with the fact being it is autoloader. The crew need to have a long time out-of-battle to reload.

[solid gate]

Don’t worry, I kindly spammed him back in each channel telling him not to spam 😂

[plucky summit]

But you shouldn't spam at all =(

[solid gate]

That’s the joke

[plucky summit]

Unfuni

[solid gate]

I didn’t actually spam, did you really take my comment seriously? I answered him in like two or three channels lol

Hi all from France , any one know haw many Xp we need for have rank 50 in à T10 tank plz ???? Thx u 😀

[plucky summit]

Only needed to do it in one channel :l

[solid gate]

Well there were kind of discussions starting in different ones

[ancient iron]

imagine a Tiger I Defender

[balmy compass]

Would be pretty meh, I would think the turret would become strong enough to hulldown
Or the upper plate gets alot stronger

[shy hound]

It just got reworked bruh... Not buffed for a while probably

[safe cedar]

Barely

[violet timber]

It was more of a nerf tbh

[shy hound]

Exactly

[safe cedar]

100%

[obsidian egret]

I want to see my Amx 54 having high graphics and have two guns to choose , one is 130mm and another is 120mm

[plucky summit]

Why would you want a 120mm gun?

[tulip knot]

Better gun handling and dpm maybe?

[plucky summit]

Just run the Concept, they’re both one-trick ponies with different guns 😅

[versed dagger]

Got the IS-8 today I’m broke lol

[opaque flicker]

Jagdpatton E75

[lyric copper]

both of them hulldown and that’s it

M54 is somewhat okay in a brawl, but it’s better hulldown

[misty wing]

was meadsy high when he made that video saying action x is the best tier 8

[solid gate]

Ask him 😉

[sleek fable]

Hey guys how to nuke a server i want to nuke that server that got muted for saying i hate lazada and shoppee ads

The mods their are super dumb

[zealous anchor]

Ok

[misty wing]

?

[sleek fable]

Do you know how to guys?

[brave juniper]

Ok?

[solid gate]

What’s nuking a server? Doesn’t sound good. Also why bother to take revenge for a mute?

[brave juniper]

Prob a kid, just check out his profile

[hollow belfry]

Okay and? Please do remember you are in a vehicle discussion chat for a tank game.

[solid gate]

“Prob” well it is a wotb server...

[hollow belfry]

To be fair there’s a number of working adults or people engaged in higher education here

[solid gate]

Yes, but they’re generally the exception not the rule. Well actually maybe not, just seems like it

[hollow belfry]

You’d probably tend to notice kids more because they are often louder and more annoying🤷‍♂️

[thorny smelt]

Me who is getting a Masters degree and tomorrow is the first day:

[solid gate]

True, anyone noticed me? 😬

[empty helm]

Why e3 have slower reload than e4
Non-turret tanks are supposed to have faster reload than turreted tanks

[hollow belfry]

I’d probably suggest us to continue this in #off-topic-discussion though

[violet timber]

Alpha

[empty helm]

Extra 2.20 reload speed for an additional 40 dmg 😩

[violet timber]

1.85 seconds

E3 also has better survivability

[hollow moth]

Tier 7 is a dangerous place for every medium tank, mostly if they're a tier 6 or 7, but somehow the fl10 seems to adapt even if the armor is as weak as glass, the penetration is as low as a dwarf and gun depression is as bad as Homelander, probably because the cannon is extremely useful in a ton of situations

[foggy spire]

Is T-22 good?

[pulsar sinew]

Good. Not great. Not awful. It used to be very strong but nerfs and power creep have brought it back down

[foggy spire]

So it’s not worth it anymore!

[solid gate]

I would recommend getting a good amount of advice and watching some youtube videos on how to play it, it's not a particularly simple playstyle, it's a decent tank though

[pulsar sinew]

Probably not the number 1 choice

[turbid drift]

Is the t22 bundle/ tank worth it?

Oops didn't see the messages on it nvm lol

[empty helm]

💀

[turbid drift]

In tier x is there a clear big difference between good tanks and really good ones? I really like the design of the t22 so money aside would it not be worth playing it? Like would I still be able to beat stronger tanks with it or would I might as well play something else at tier x

[foggy spire]

Well…It’s decent IG. Not the strongest medium at T10. It’s like mid-tier.

[safe karma]

yo guys so tell me in basic : profitable or not t22 medium for 17,5k cause i have perfect amount for it and it wait year so pls just yes or no ( i like this kind of playing )

[flint bear]

For 17.5 k absolutely no

[empty helm]

Scroll up

[violet timber]

Get the 183 instead

[safe karma]

but i just said i want yes/no

[empty helm]

Yesn't

[safe karma]

well, true but no

i have chieftain so im bored and want new tank ( also almost finished tech tree)

[violet timber]

Just play the 183

[turbid drift]

Will a tank like the t22 ever get buffed again in the future? Or will it always likely stay like it is

[flint bear]

T 22 183 damn

Ms 183

[solid gate]

Don't know, but I believe 17k gold is reasonable for any tier ten (?) Anyway it's a decent tank to get if you like the playstyle, and still incredibly strong if you can reverse sidescrape, but don't get it thinking it's the best cause it isn't

[tulip knot]

Just grind the e50m or something

[polar basin]

Whats best for 53tp?

[misty wing]

I feel like far too many people are under the delusion that the T-22 is still the best tier 10 med

[distant nymph]

Tips on the SU-101? My game is usually go to a camping spot, miss two shots, hit one and die. It just seems to be a even less flexible turetless T-44 with 122mm and I generally believe the pen is the only good thing about it

[vale plume]

Guys I need to ask is Germany or Russian good in tank destroyer?

[shell robin]

Russian TD are generally considered better, but German TD aren't bad either.

[vale plume]

I know I prefer tank with high dmg and don't care too much about mobility

[shell robin]

Then you'll probably want the 268

[vale plume]

Is it better than jg.pz E100?

[shell robin]

Jageroo's biggest flaw is it's too slow to react, whereas the 268 can react to changing situations

[vale plume]

Yeah I understand

[vale plume]

Btw thanks for your help I will buy this one :)

[shell robin]

Always happy to help 🙂

[hot ingot]

obj907>T-22

[glossy flame]

How long will the obj252u be in the shop?

[violet timber]

Uhhhhh what?

[hot ingot]

sorry typo 😛

[misty wing]

Object 140 best russian med because it has PBR no cap

[hot ingot]

PBR?

[balmy compass]

Physical Based Rendering
when the tanks have those cool HD models that put dirt/snow on them

[hollow notch]

Or uncool in the case of the Dracula

They completely trashed the looks of it.

[balmy compass]

yeah ig, now it's shiny

[lyric copper]

use tungsten and adren, not speed boost

[hollow belfry]

The 268 line is good
The Jageroo isn't a super competitive t10 right now but it's a fun tank

[chilly notch]

what is the most op tier 10

like 1 that will win the most 1v1s with other t10s if there was a tournament between all of them

also why is the type 71 such a troll

[plucky summit]

I mean, IS-7 ain’t a bad choice

[vagrant dome]

T62a or obj?

[solid gate]

T-62A

[violet timber]

140 is better right now

[gilded badge]

For me sidescraping in the skoda t45 works very well and I like the gun or more the dpm the mobility is just not good but what do you think about the vehicle?

[violet timber]

Very similar to the Titan H-N, which is good, since it's balanced. Good survivability, meh everything else, though the gun does have some nice dpm

[glad flax]

Is the T43 a good medium?

[barren axle]

Just decided to grind Chinese medium t34/100 is it worth it or should I take is-2 family?

And does grind IS-3 tech tree ok?many player complaint about IS-7 have bad ammorack durability

[past crane]

It’s a decent tank- good mobility and DPM, meh pen, meh armor. It gets the job done, but there’s much more fun options in the realm of T7 mediums.

[solid nova]

Its decent but theres better tanks with extremely similar performance in the tier

[solid nova]

T7 Russian med

[past crane]

Oh wait I’m dumb

Wasn’t a dash between the T and the 43 so I got confused and assumed they meant the T-34 lol
Stupid mistake on my part

[solid nova]

Honestly there's just so many similar tanks to it that aren't tech tree but sre still common
Its pretty powercrept now
Rudy, t44-85 (ish), etc
Similar performance with the advantage of prem coefficients

[glad flax]

but is it good? i mean the tier x the t-43 leads to, the obj 140

[past crane]

It’s an alright tank
Probably the weakest of the whole line but it’s not awful, just not very fun. You’ll perform alright in it if you’re a competent player.

[solid nova]

Its okay
But you're better off going up the lights

[glad flax]

the mt25 line?

[solid nova]

I've always found the t44 to be the worst
But then again i use the 122mm on it for memes so the intentional suffering is probably why

[past crane]

Let the player choose what to do…but the light line is definitely more fun and has overall better vehicles. However it takes a bit more skill to master, so if you’re super new to the game @glad flax I’d go up to the T62A.

[past crane]

Yeah the 100 mm is so much better lol, it makes the whole tank SUPER well rounded. I absolutely adore the T-44 lol
Only use the 122 for fun and giggles in platoons

[glad flax]

oh okay, thanks

[solid nova]

I'm not saying he has to do anything
Just saying whats objectively better/worse
Agreed on the t62 tho
140 is a bit too skill ceiling for inexperienced players

[past crane]

Especially with the changes WG made
And don’t take what I said personally it was just a bit of poking fun at it

[solid nova]

I do definitely like the rebalances of the two
62A's gun certainly hurts but the mobility is nice
And having the 140 as a light hunter is chefs kiss

Honestly kinda retired from the game now but
First game in the 140 after the rebalances, i mastered it lol

[past crane]

Yeah, overall it was good to kind of get those changes to differ them more. I totally get why some people dislike them but I personally don’t mind.

[solid nova]

Yeah

[solid gate]

Lol definitely your own fault, T 44 is probably the best tier eight tech tree med, i certainly love it and find it easy to play, if you want 400 alpha the t 34-2 is a much better option

[glad flax]

you guys were right the t-43 is absoloute garbage, are there any other good russian tier 7's?

[empty helm]

kv-3

[glad flax]

oh ok thanks

[solid gate]

It’s not garbage, and I don’t know if the kv 3 is better, I think lttb is a great choice, or the Su 152 if you just want fun

[frail dagger]

the SU-100Y is the best Tank destroyers tier for tier, is the best tier 6TD, and arguably one of the better tier 7TDs (its not tier 7, but comparatively), change my mind

[solid gate]

Jpanther is clearly far superior along with basically all tier vii tds, and I think the jgpz iv is better in the same tier

[glad flax]

yeah youre right, i just found out my internet was the real garbage the t43 is actually good

[oak pollen]

What crew skill should I get first? (I have 1m elite xp and I going to spend them on crew skill)

[frail dagger]

a 100Y could beat a JGPZ any time, and the Jagpanther is yes, superior

[solid gate]

Haha right, @frail dagger hmm it depends on the situation, neither would beat each other "any time"

[frail dagger]

in a solid proxy spotting 1v1, 100Y would win if it can not get permatracked, but yes, it does come down to the pilot

[solid gate]

Jgpz could possibly side hug to keep below the gun, and i didn't mean in a flat out 1v1 with no skill involved, due to the alpha I think the su100y would win, it could get two shots in before the jgpz could use its dpm to kill it I think

[uncut shell]

I'd the 100mm worth it on the kv4?

[foggy mural]

I LOVE Ju nu

[solid gate]

Guys what do u think about Tortoise

[zinc pawn]

Is the T95E6 any good? Pulled it from a random crate earlier today? And how do I play it, cause it seems to play a lot more like a medium than a heavy?

[solid gate]

It's a good tank, and yes it's a heavium, try going with meds I think. Hull down is the best way to use your armour, but your turret sides are very weak and you have a massive cupola

[ancient iron]

I might've found my new fav tank in Blitz..... 2 battles, 2 wins, 1411 avg damage (which keep in mind was done while not even knowing how to play it well), both survived, both games with 2 kills... I am DEFINITELY keeping the T49 for as long as WG don't mess with the gun

3 for 3 and survived it again.... sadly couldn't threepeat the 2 kills

[deep shore]

Stock gun or the slap gun

[ancient iron]

slap gun of course.

so I can booli the Rhm.-Borsigs

[solid gate]

Nice one, you're definitely in the honeymoon stage though XD

[deep shore]

Yep. Wait till you start missing more and more

[polar basin]

Is7 vs Is4 as beginner with 1100 battles?

Im currently playing 45tp,53tp and i love it. So what suits the playstile too

[hot ingot]

why not 60tp?

[faint wigeon]

Got the wolverine is it any good?

[flint bear]

Nothing special

[flint bear]

Kinda not for newbie, it was my first tier 10. I do know what I am saying

[hollow notch]

Is7 has an easier grind, so do that

[empty helm]

The grind is a bit pain

[violet timber]

T-44 is definitely not the best tier 8 tech tree med lmao

[oak pollen]

Anyone have recommendation for playing amx 13 90 effectively?

[late thistle]

watch the battle and try to seize opportunities

[solid gate]

What's your idea of the best one? Pershing? Possibly, but T 44 seems better well rounded. P 44 has the flexible autoreloader but I can't say i enjoyed it, cent 1 is good but sacrifices too much for some turret armour imo, the t 34-2 is too gimmicky and unreliable to be called the best, the Sta-1 may be decent now but its still not a competitor, the panther two is up there but I think needs a small power to weight buff to really make the playstyle more effective, the Indien pz is very odd so I can't really say, but it's a possibility, the tvp vtu is good but doesn't seem reliable enough, I think that's all? IMO pershing and panther two are up there, I still think the T 44 beats them

[deep shore]

Bro i think you mean the p44?

[violet timber]

I'd say the Pershing, T-34-2, P.44, T69, and possibly the Panther 2 are better. Pershing has similar armor, worse mobility, but a better gun. T-34-2 gets much better armor, a similar gun with worse accuracy, and similar mobility. P.44 has the autoreloader which is a much better gun, similar mobility, and slightly less armor. T69 is just slept on. And the Panther 2 is the most similar imo, but the extra armor just puts is ahead

[solid gate]

No lol, the T 44 is great (I've got it on the Eu server if that's what's confusing you XD)

[violet timber]

It’s not great, it’s pretty average, which at tier 8 isn’t good

[solid gate]

Pershing is a possibility, but how does it have similar armour? The t 44 is a brawly style tank, the pershing is pure hulldown with paper hull armour. The gun is much worse IMO, sure better dpm but the alpha on the t 44 beats that, accuracy is a bit better on the pershing I think. Forgot about t 69 but I honestly cant see how the others are competitors, apart from panther two. The gun on the 34-2 is quite different, similar to the derp gun on the t 44, and turret armour is better but with 5 degrees near impossible to use, and hardly any hull armour. At least t 44 can use what turret armour it has and has a bit of hull armour, and mobility on t 44 is better. P 44 does have the autoreloader, but it just seems a bit meh, it needs to be closer to the progetto to make it better imo, and it has a much larger profile with a lot less armour, however due to the autoreloader I agree it's a competitor.

[violet timber]

T-44s armor isn’t as good as you seem to think it is

[green iris]

man I don’t like Russian tanks in general no depression XD

[solid gate]

I agree hull armour probably needs a buff, but compared to the rest of the tier eight meds it's fairly good, I think the upper plate is near an autoricochet angle, @green iris that's the beautiful thing about the t 44, seven degrees with a low profile which helps depression

[solid gate]

Hmm, that's without using depression or angling, I think the upper plate is close to an autoricochet? That's what matters, not the actual effective armour on the hull, and the turret in practice blocks more than it should I guess, seems troll but maybe not

[empty helm]

No depression you say?

[green iris]

I prefer the Russian heavies over the meds

[past fractal]

“No depression”

Proceeds to forger ST-1

[empty helm]

Look at its gun depression

[green iris]

I’m stuck on the kv-4 rn so I didn’t read how much the depression is on the st-1

[violet timber]

This is the farthest it can go before the sides become penetrable. And you need the full 7 before the hull becomes red

[green iris]

All I know is ppl said it’s a bad tank to grind

[hollow sequoia]

just go through the t54 ltwt

[empty helm]

@green iris you will love Soviet tanks after this image
Definitely a lend lease program tank

[sleek apex]

Also Loza's Sherman with -10°

[solid gate]

Right, possibly I overrate the armour profile, but in a brawl you can overangle to troll a bounce, and you can use more than 7 degrees to make the hull impenetrable if necessary, that's what I do with t 54 (because that only has 5) then you can reverse down to fire, push back up a hill before the enemy fires to bounce

[empty helm]

*-10°

[green iris]

I love the soviets for the way they just feel idk I just feel more comfortable driving Soviet tanks then any other

[sleek apex]

Was about to fix it

[violet timber]

There are still better tier 8 meds that you can use

[lyric copper]

ST-1 with its top gun and turret gets -8 degrees

and is a great tank if you have said top gun

[solid gate]

I think the T 44 overall is just a great little tank, but maybe due to the armour profile the panther two is better? Hull down in the pershing is of course great. But t 44 beats most tier eight meds on mobility, and has good alpha while keeping decent dpm and still enough armour (looks like the armour is less than I thought) I'm not sure, but surely its up there for competitiveness. In any case play it with the 280 alpha gun before making your mind up, the 400 alpha gun is ridiculous, maybe fun but doesn't work with the tank lol, and part of the reason I love it is the gun

[solid gate]

I love my German tanks, and I love meds, don't love Russian HTs or TDs, but the Russian meds have just something about them that's wonderful

[solid gate]

It's quite funny, Russian meds are known for bad depression, but actually the tier V has 7, tier vi has 7, tier vii has 8, tier VIII has 7, tier IX has 5, but goes back to 7 with the t62a in tier ten, only 6 with the obj of course. And taking into account a lower profile = better effective gun depression and a lot of the meds have a low profile they've actually got very decent depression mostly

[lyric copper]

i prefer the ST-1 over the IS4 just due to the gundep advantage

[faint wigeon]

Why does the tier 5 leopard not pen any tank not even tier 4. I tried both guns and ap and he shells but ot just can't pen any tank.

[lyric copper]

you gotta flank

also because wg hates fun

[faint wigeon]

I mean I tried to penetrate other tanks but all the enemy's armour is red.

[polar basin]

I need ussr tank too for quests

[polar basin]

My grind is currently that far

[barren light]

just pick up the is4 and grind is7 after

[lyric copper]

why would you stop midway on the IS4 line

[polar basin]

I was just starting and had no idea what i was doing 😅

[solid gate]

I don't love the grind, but the IS 7 is well worth it and easy to play, so i suggest keep going with it. Also as someone mentioned the 60 TP is great for beginners, along with the line

[odd cove]

the 60tp line is consistent

[deep shore]

Ahahaha. Just don't start is4 again till a fun mode. You still haven't got the stock ST-1 experience 😉

[brisk jacinth]

Is the E5 still worth it?

[sage lodge]

how do you play stock churchill 1?

[empty helm]

You play it like a stock Churchill 1 very simple eh?

[sage lodge]

so not playing at all?

[empty helm]

#vehicles-discussion message

[brisk jacinth]

?

[polar basin]

Will be getting the is7 and 60tp for now because i like the playstyles.

[tepid stump]

May I ask why are you trying to pen with HE in the first place? I mean, if it's a Nashorn, go ahead but against any other tanks NEVER use HE

[brisk jacinth]

IS7 or E5?

[hollow notch]

Look at the stock grind of the st-1 before continuing

The is3 sets you up well for going into the is8

The kv3... is what sets you up for going into the st1

[hollow notch]

E5 is bad.
The tank wants to do everything acceptably, but weegee has balanced it to fail at everything spectacularly.

[brisk jacinth]

So Is7?

[turbid drift]

What is the best equipment for obj252u

[lyric copper]

whatever you want

[brisk jacinth]

Or E100

[lyric copper]

whatever you want

wow blocked because someone didnt have a concrete answer

again, its your camo cert, you do whatever, dont let some one on the internet decide for you

you want an answer? fine put it on a tier 1, you cant decide put it somewhere useless or dont use it at all

[polar basin]

I will just get some premium xp and finish it? Should i?

[solid gate]

My first exceptional play with this tank

It's a shame that you can only play with Tier 10 credit boosts because consumables+supplies are very expensive and I almost always lose money, even with a premium account. It would be better and friendlier with the not so good player (nub) like me to be able to make the tank Premium as well as tier 8 and lower

[lyric copper]

WG have had somewhat of an agenda that tier 10s arent really profitable

[solid gate]

that's sad

I would love to have Leo 1 and AMX-30 farm equally

on second thought, my next purchase will be an AMX-30, and that will take a lot of time and I hope I don't spend it on something silly (as has happened whenever I collect +4k Gold)

[lyric copper]

30 1er is alright, but the 30b is a total letdown

[solid gate]

These are amazing tanks from the 60's and 70's and early 80's. They were valued for combining precision, mobility and intense firepower, and personally they are the best looking tanks in the game. I don't like to play heavy, and having two of my favorite tanks will become another reason to be happy, and I already liked some bad tanks.

[lyric copper]

30B's tall cupola would have helped it in actual combat but not here

[solid gate]

If you're hulldowning a medium tank with a lot of mobility and not very effectively armored, maybe things aren't quite right at this point.

[lyric copper]

no the thing is when you try to peek your cupola betrays you

[solid gate]

Oh yes, now I get your point

[old glade]

How to play the E3?

[lyric copper]

frontline and wiggle a little

[solid gate]

Front always pointed towards the enemy. First and second line fire and heavy support

[lyric copper]

do not camp

[solid gate]

Camp must be the third line of fire💀

[old glade]

Everyone pens me in the lower plate even “slightly wiggling”

Should I back out after each shot or face hug anyone nearby?

I’m using enhanced armor instead of more health points

[lyric copper]

ofc you get penned in the lower

you shouldnt back out by turning, you get tracked and take damage

your best is hulldown or 2nd line if there is no cover for your lower plate

whenever there is cover on flat ground (i.e rubble pile on Himmelsdorf) move slightly on it to increase the angle of your frontal armour, you have -8 degrees of gundep, use it there

[old glade]

Indeed, thanks!

[solid gate]

More hitpoints can help you survive +1 enemy fire, and knowing that you get hit on lower plate when facing someone might allow you to shoot a little longer, knowing that the E3 has 305mm of armor.

[old glade]

Mostly help heavies? Map dependent

[lyric copper]

however on a ridge you can essentially switch off your brain as your single hulldown weakspot is a small hatch

[old glade]

100 hp is not much to back up a shot in tier 10

[solid gate]

Allows you to survive 1 more shot

[old glade]

Which tank in tier ten has 100 alpha

[solid gate]

Consideration should be given to the RNG

+hitpoints can increase the chance of surviving more shots

[old glade]

I only run those on high hp tanks like maus, e 100, vk, jagtiger e100 etc

[lyric copper]

i prefer more armour on some of those tbh

[solid gate]

I use it on basically everything (I'm main Light and Medium), because there are tanks that +4% armor is useless and having more hitpoints can make the difference between dying for 4-5 shots or dying for 6 shots

for example, my beloved Leopard 1 which has only 25mm on the rear armor of the hull, (and 25 + 4% = 26), and it serves to the rest of the vehicle armor. Makes no difference

[lyric copper]

yeah only on heavies or tanks with troll armour can really make it work

[old glade]

Poor IS 7

Faced hugged him till his death

[old glade]

I run additional hp on all mediums

There is only one medium I’d say that running additional armor might be worth it

That’s the T 22 with troll frontal armor

[violet timber]

There are 2 light/medium tanks that EA does make a difference for, The T92E1 and Prog 65

[old glade]

Prog upper plate mostly

[violet timber]

Both upper plates

[solid gate]

Why the T92E1? To counter HE?

[violet timber]

Nope, to make the upper plate an autobounce to 122mm guns

[solid gate]

Something smart, I say

[safe cedar]

Leopard PTA is horrendous, poor thing needs some WG love

[solid gate]

Good choice for any player in my opinion 👌

[solid gate]

ngl, with the 90mm gun I suffered a lot and I never played a good game

after i researched the Engine and the cannon things got a lot better

the top cannon has the same penetration as the tier 10 but it loads slower

I got two Aces in the PTA by pure luck

[safe cedar]

That gun dep tho is painful

[solid gate]

I think that’s the wrong word? Autobounce or autoricochet is when the angle of the armour is enough that shells can’t pen no matter the effective armour and pen, unless 3CR comes into play. EA will help the T92e1 by improving the effective armour on it and giving you a better chance of bouncing tanks with pen around the range of the armour. If the T92e1 has an autobounce angle then EA will not effect it, apart from possibly stopping 3CR coming into play sometimes. Lastly the caliber of the gun doesn’t effect whether it will autobounce, unless again it’s to do with 3CR. (Not sure if that’s what you meant?) Anyhow EA will increase effective armour but it’s nothing to do with 122 MM, it’s purely a penetration thing. Apologies for writing all this if you meant 122 MM will autobounce due to 3CR not coming into play with EA

[violet timber]

It’s not really the wrong word. It prevents them from overmatching, making it an autobounce from how angled it is

[solid gate]

Ah right, sorry I wrote it and realised maybe that was what you meant as I was writing it 😂, it is the correct word

[keen dirge]

unfinished model of the tank...
crew sounds are not working...

[wanton marlin]

Kind of like it

[wanton marlin]

Wait? Is t English required on this server? I think it is

[solid gate]

Is that sarcastic? Cause it definitely is required, WoTB ENG, I mean it’s pretty dam obvious lol

[plucky summit]

Also he said it in every channel, so punishable anyways

[solid gate]

Yeah, I would say he doesn’t even understand English 😬 not sure why you would join Wotb ENG though, perhaps he’s asking in German whether he can speak German here 😂

[lyric copper]

he isnt

[solid gate]

Lol was mostly a joke but good to know (what’s he saying if it’s suitable?)

[muted raptor]

Still somewhat surprised the Batchat 25t exists

[ionic adder]

I'm love skoda T 45

perfect for sitescrap

3 battles in a row 3k damage dealt and 2.5k reflected damage

[balmy compass]

The Maus of tier VII ig
Except it gets uptiered and sucks

[ionic adder]

a lot of players do not grasp this tank. I took him after less than 10 battles. I even managed to have a successful duel of 1 skoda vs 2 skoda and something else. won with a little help from allies.

[late thistle]

have only played 1 game in it, do you guys run enhanced armor or the hp buff equipment?

[balmy compass]

I would run HP, enhanced would feel like a waste since the armor is already so good

[ionic adder]

HP

1 battle...? #screenshots

[late thistle]

yep win 1 battle for the mission thing

[ionic adder]

see #screenshots

[late thistle]

so play it like a tiger 2? angled/hulldown/sidescrape?

[ionic adder]

Sidescrap
Hulldown

and watch out for the pot. and if you drive into a different skoda, try to shoot behind the towers.

In the middle of this part, behind the turret, it is easy to set the fuel on fire

[solid gate]

I'm low on battery, so I won't be playing the game right now. How much is the Alpha of 45?

[balmy compass]

210

[solid gate]

Thank you

[balmy compass]

👍

[solid gate]

It is very low and sturdy. I destroyed one with my M41d

[ionic adder]

Angled falls off because the bottom plate does not angle at all and must be hidden

[grim hinge]

low

[late thistle]

all right thanks

[solid gate]

That thing must be under 2,6/2,5m

[solid gate]

45?

[ionic adder]

Skoda T 45? Yes

[solid gate]

Fun fact: The M41d and Skoda T 45 has the same max roll dmg with the HE: 325

[ionic adder]

xD
Fun fact:
I can't play M41D

[grim hinge]

yeah tbh i rlly thought skoda 45 is a medium tank

[solid gate]

me too

But I saw the 3 bars and said "tf? Itty betty heavy"

I'll have to win 14 more games to get the T 45

[ionic adder]

At ease, you have time

[solid gate]

I know but I have anxiety lol💀

[hollow moth]

• Avoid totally flat surfaces, it'll expose your lower plate
• Always keep moving forward and try to facehug if you're brawling, it's harder to hit the weakspots like this
• Never fight agile tanks alone, but in state of necessity, use long range in your favour
• If possible, hulldown, if needed, prepare to trade damage

[maiden patrol]

Are there any working Girls Und Panzer skin mods, atleast witb the current version?

[hollow moth]

With the modified .exe you can use skin mods from previous every version, as for hangar mods too

[opaque flicker]

How did the KPz-70 get added? It appears that it's based off of the MBT-70 but with a weaker gun and turned into a completely German project unlike the MBT which was formed by both America and West Germany, but was kept by America and later became an early project for the M1 Abrams whilst supposedly holding a 152mm cannon

[empty helm]

Mbt-70 but have a stronger engine so it's a German vehicle I guess

[opaque flicker]

Petition to add MBT-70 as an American brother to KPz-70

[empty helm]

And make it go 69km/h

[opaque flicker]

MBT-70 had 122mm spaced armor with a 152mm gun, sure its engine is weaker and slower but it would be stronger than KPz-70 in, firepower, so players can either go with fast and good maneuverability, or slow and good firepower

[opaque flicker]

At maximum it would probably go 35 km/h

[empty helm]

That's slow

[opaque flicker]

In return big turreted gun and good angled armor

[violet timber]

The Kpz has a 152 already

[empty helm]

Why not make both have maximum speed of 50km/h
(Wikipedia said it can go 69km/h)

[violet timber]

What we have right now is basically the same as the MBT 70, just with a weaker engine and no spaced armor

[opaque flicker]

Its gun is weaker in damage, not sure how but it may have been nerfed in development, I was thinking MBT would be a stronger slower counterpart as Germany abandoned the project but America kept going

[violet timber]

Mmmmm no, it’s fine as is

We don’t need another one. If you want something like that, play the 50TP

[balmy compass]

It appears nerfed because having a very fast well armored incredibly hard hitting tank would be super strong, we don’t need that

[opaque flicker]

"We dont need another one"

Premium pass tanks for the past few months:

[violet timber]

Those are tier 6s. Who cares.

[balmy compass]

Why do people keep complaining about the premium pass tanks, they are tier VI, rather low tier, plus they are always a reskin of a existing tank

[hollow notch]

That mentality causes serious balance issues

Why care about a ruined tier

you saw nothing

[balmy compass]

People buy the pass for the resources, the tanks are just a added bonus

[opaque flicker]

I'm not complaining, I just wish they'd add.. y'know new tanks instead of reskins

[balmy compass]

I doubt they never will, why put a new unique tank behind a paywall

[opaque flicker]

They had no issue with putting the Barkhan behind a paywall

[balmy compass]

Barkhan was a fake tank
Much like the crap Halloween tanks it’s just a turret of one tank slapped onto the hull of another, not original, not unique

[violet timber]

Barkhan is basically just a different tier 6 Tiger

[balmy compass]

The closet thing we got to a unique tank I would say is the Charles, since it’s actually based off of something historical for once, but still a reskin of the M10 Wolverine

[opaque flicker]

All premium pass tanks are fake, like cmon Enforcer

[violet timber]

Enforcer is based on the Jackson

[balmy compass]

Exactly why they fit with the premium passes, it would be annoying to pay for tanks that you can only get from premium passes, and then you have to do it each month

And if you missed a premium pass and didn’t get that tank, well now you have to open who knows how many operation containers to try to get it

[opaque flicker]

@violet timber
It doesnt mean it's not fake, just because something is based off of one another doesnt mean it cant be falsehood

[thorny smelt]

Well it uses the American gun

[violet timber]

Yes, but calling it fake it a bit of a stretch. It’s more so stylized

[violet timber]

It uses the only gun, the 120 was never mounted

[opaque flicker]

It's styled off of a modern police car

[violet timber]

Yes

[valid gale]

Almost everything you said is wrong it didn’t turn into its own project the kpz and mbt were developed cooperationally and used the same gun the American series were all pilots and tested different layouts while Germany was testing to use their own propulsion system the project was not showing promising results but engine development would further lead to leopard 2k the MBT bears no relation to the Abrams as they were developed by different companies

[empty helm]

why can't u-panzer swim

or go underwater without getting drowned

[opaque flicker]

The MBT-70 was American and Kpfz-70 was German, MBT-70 was an American/West german project started in 1965, and was planned to be stopped in 1975.

The M1 was developed from the failure of the MBT-70 to replace the obsolete M60, 12 were produced as concepts and for testing.

[oak pollen]

Thx

[ancient iron]

is the IS-7 really worth getting? I am almost never doing damage with the IS-3 because the gun just won't behave.
every shot either barely misses, or is like... magnetically drawn to the only spot I could bounce and bounce it

[ancient iron]

legit what even is there worth a damn in the IS-3? it has no armor thanks to that dumb pike nose, no gun depression, it's slow as all hell, and the gun is AT BEST unreliable.

[plucky summit]

It’s a mobile heavy, with the strongest tier 8 turret. While it’s pretty uninteresting, IS-7 is still pretty busted, at least under Type 71

[ancient iron]

I have gone hulldown in IS-3.... turret does me no good vs anything. the dumb cheeks under the gun and the weak af turret roof kinda make that whole thing a joke. also it's absolutely not mobile. I'd concede it MIGHT be one of the more mobile tech tree t8 heavies, but even that is being far more generous than it deserves. and honestly... the BL-9 might be the WORST gun in Blitz tier for tier

[misty wing]

IS-3 turret is literally impenetrable lol, and the BL-9 is better than other tier 8 IS clones like the IS-5 and 6

The worst gun in blitz tier for tier should be the Object 704 "stock" gun

[ancient iron]

BL-9 can't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn

also the turret REALLY isn't... I've had more than a few instances that prove that.

it literally has ears for weakpoints, and anything taller than you can just aim down on the roof top so you can't brawl, and the gun is so horrendous that it can't snipe or peek-a-boom

[amber ember]

"its a mobile heavy with the strongest t8 turret" as a 252u, t54e2 and ru251 enjoyer i can say that IS-3 is garbage, and most players on this tank have big skill issues

[oblique storm]

Is 3 just requires you being able to endure extreme rage and the god of rng, if you know how to do that congrats you mastered the whole game

[rigid thunder]

Except the IS-3 unironically has the strongest tier 8 turret in the game

[thorny smelt]

I still have some hate for pike-nose tanks

[misty wing]

They're frustrating to play for me

[thorny smelt]

Same....

[oak pollen]

I hate most of pike-nose tank
It just seem can't angle

[glad flax]

What gun should I mount on my kv-2? 107 or 152mm?

[pulsar sinew]

Is this a serious question?

[glad flax]

No, just a test question to see how people react but it may be a semi-serious question.

[pulsar sinew]

So you’re admitting to trolling which is against the rules?

[glad flax]

No not necessarily. I am asking seriously because I cant tell the difference between damage and pen

[pulsar sinew]

Theres a reason why no one uses the 107

[glad flax]

You have a point. But still, which gun has better depression?

[pulsar sinew]

Would you rather have gun depression or actual depression?

[glad flax]

Depends.

[pulsar sinew]

Run the 152. What ever you can’t pen with he, you can probably pen with Ap. When you can’t pen Ap, splash with he for 200-400

[ancient iron]

tbh
107 is more universally useable
152 is meant for fun but can royally screw you in MOST games.... just remember full HE, the AP and prem ammo is garbage

if you can't pen with HE still hit it with HE

I think my fav heavy is the Kpz 70

[oak pollen]

152 if you love alpha
107 if you love OP gun (300 alpha & 10 sec reload is very solid)

107 also have very good pen & DPM

But still,I prefer 152 cuz alpha and ability to one-shot most of t5-6 (if I want good gun tonk I just go play jpz4 for ~3k DPM or Tiger 131 that have turret armor & quite good DPM for HT)

[opaque flicker]

Wait a minute if cold war tanks are in the game, and the cold war ended in 1991..

The M1A1 Abrams was in service during the cold war

If you didnt know, I'm joking, this would be hellfire to balance, and would probably be a 0.02% chance in a container for tier X, even then it would be extremely powerful and ridiculous as the M1A1 in the console version of WOT does 400-500 damage every.. 4-5 seconds?

[trail orchid]

I get there are a lot if the new Skoda's kicking about but when your last man on the team has a tier 8 heavy against one of them and twice as much hp you do expect to win the game but no we had to sit and watch our man play for a draw

[violet timber]

This is the turret vs the tier 10 Ho-Ri. If you’re actually going hull down properly, you should have 0 problems bouncing anything.

[hollow mauve]

guys is the t22 any good? i mean it has a nice turret. but anything from tier 8 and above will shoot through your front like butter from any angle.

[opaque flicker]

Your main advantage is gun and speed

[plucky summit]

Many people actually do run the 107 💀

[hollow mauve]

ci already have the t62A
so is there any point in t22?

[opaque flicker]

Not really besides it being a tier X collectable

[hollow mauve]

do collectable have same silver gain as tech tree or prem tanks?

[opaque flicker]

I think so

[hollow mauve]

used t have the badger but it was a dissapointment lol

have they buffed the frontal armour of the badger?
in my is4 with 375mm pen i have a very smal area where i can pen. when i used the badger i was penetrated even by medium tanks

[pulsar sinew]

I mean if you’re grinding

[plucky summit]

I personally run 152, because 107 feels far too inaccurate, so might as well get the big bang for the accuracy 🤷‍♂️

But the DPM and pen is pretty good, otherwise

[pulsar sinew]

Why not use the kv-1s 122 over the kv2 107 though

[oak pollen]

Cuz 107 is gooder than 152 in almost everything (except from ability to completely nuke enemy tank)

[plucky summit]

Because it doesn’t have an 8.17s reload? 🤷‍♂️

@oak pollen for future reference, use “better” instead of the nonexistent word “gooder” 👍👍

[hollow mauve]

how tf is type 71 even close to meta? it has nothing going for it other than a bit more mobile than a normal heavy and a thic frontal upper plate. nothing else.

[plucky summit]

The problem is the armor profile combined with its mobility. And it allows Type 71 to just be a complete dread against medium tanks, where even if they could pen, they’d have to chip through a tank with much more HP than them

[hollow mauve]

every medium just shoots ur cupola on top

[plucky summit]

Not if you take care to defend it

You could even just play the trading game, where they only hit your cupola once while you trade back with higher damage

[hollow mauve]

that only work in a 1v1 tho since most mediums have the accuracy to hit it easly

[plucky summit]

I don’t see any tank that’ll be good against multiple enemies. It would often be a hulldown war between two tanks while the rest fight their own brawls

[hollow mauve]

the second u peak they shoot the cupolar and hide

[plucky summit]

You could also just rush the medium, moving your cupola quickly so they have to take time to hit it, at least

[thick trout]

You have alpha, pen, hp and armour over mediums. You also have competitive mobility. The type is better than meds when hulldown and better than meds for pushing.

[late thistle]

tier for tier, which light is more powerful? T49, tier 9 one or Sheridan?

[plucky summit]

T92E1 is the tier 9 :p

[thick trout]

T92 performs the best, sheri is easier to play than T49 so is better for most players but T49 is more fun and can be better in the hands of better players

[plucky summit]

I think the key to Type 71 for comp play is that the tank can get you places that your caller needs you to be, rotate faster, and still carry the power and effective armor of a heavy wherever it goes

[hollow mauve]

it slow as fck compared to any medium tho
it barely goes any faster than my is 4

[plucky summit]

And much stronger, it’s still a mobile heavy 🤷‍♂️

[hollow mauve]

tbh in my opinion is just a better tank. it can actually deal with more than just mediums

[plucky summit]

What? 😂
You could have at least said IS-7 or something

[thick trout]

20hp/t and 40kmph is very quick for a heavy
And the IS4 does an extremely different job

[plucky summit]

IS-4’s HEAT-spamming crutch only gets it so far when the new 60TP meta trades nearly, and often, double your damage

[violet timber]

You must not be using the Suspension equipment

[hollow mauve]

i am

[violet timber]

Then you would be going much faster than an IS-4

With sus equipment type has double the effective p/w

[hollow mauve]

is4 goes 30 ish and type 37
medium 50-60

and med has a by far better gun
japanese has the accuracy of kv2

[plucky summit]

A better gun to snap the cupola 100% of the time? I doubt it.

Have fun explaining why it’s spammed in pro play 🤷‍♂️

[hollow mauve]

more accurate and way faster reload. they can just aim and wait for him to peak

[plucky summit]

Type could just push forward, taking a small chunk of damage for its HP, and maybe even blocking the shell. What can the medium even do then? They’re too fragile to go toe-to-tor with Type 71

[hollow mauve]

if there is 2-3 mediums he will be gon in 3rd reload and he'd deal a total of 600-900 damage

also because the majority of the player base are dim witted rtards who is a waste of air and food he cant even trust his team to back him ut so he will get farmed

it would only work in a platoon which u can have in rates

[plucky summit]

Players don’t matter in terms of a tank’s performance

A good player will perform better in a tank than the bad player, therefore there should be no basis of the player when judging how good a tank is

The thing is, pro players will use at least most of the tank’s qualities over a normal player

[hollow mauve]

i meant it as he cant just solo push agasint the mediums cuz he would get farmed without doing to much damage

[plucky summit]

Well, then push with the same amount of tanks, no other tank could manage a solo push like that anyways 🤷‍♂️

[hollow mauve]

but u cant trust ur team to push unless u see that they have some active braincells at least

[plucky summit]

Then with any tank, you’ll lose with your bad team

See the point?

[violet timber]

Why do you need your team? Meds have to use prammo and Cali to reliably pen you, destroying their dpm advantage. Then there’s the fact that you can wiggle, making it harder for them to pen. You also have a massive HP advantage and you don’t have to use prammo.

[plucky summit]

It seems to me that the argument you're tying to make is that if the tank can't solo carry an entire team, then it's not OP

[hollow mauve]

im saying it gets farmed agsint any other thank taht isnt medium with max peb at 330mm

[hoary lake]

Conway 120mm or 5.5 in ?
I play it with the 120mm and I feel like I'm the only one using it

[small prism]

There is nothing more importent then good teamates in WOTB.

[hollow mauve]

and this is why win rate is based on luck
i am stuck on below 57 because i get the t10 teams who dies after only doing 800dmg or so AT TEIER 10! like wtf

[small prism]

So what do you mean that you can carry whole 7 tanks with one tank? Or whhat

[violet timber]

Win rate isn’t based on luck. 30% of games you will win, 30% you will lose, the other 40% is where you make the difference.

[plucky summit]

You have to take in account that the Type has the advantage of reaction in the situation, because nothing about Type's performance is RNG-based when it pushes, unless they decide to irresponsibly shoot on the move. The medium has to deal with the possibility of missing or bouncing their shell

[hoary lake]

Said that to a platoon of smasher

[hollow mauve]

i rarely play low tier tho

[small prism]

Bruh

[hoary lake]

Money is most important in WoTB and frankly, everywhere else

[small prism]

You still get alots aloots of good tanks without money even its so much better if you pay zero money in any game you will just get bored so fast bcs you wont have to grind for anything..

[plucky summit]

I guess I'm just lucky that I could carry 4 teammates who dealt 0 damage and won the match 🙄

[violet timber]

Smh chicken man, you aren’t a good player, you’re just lucky

[plucky summit]

I just love this argument because it makes every player look the same

That 70%er? He's just luckier than this 30%er

[hoary lake]

You can't always win, but you can make anyone fighting you in a Action x or mk5 feel your money

[hollow mauve]

i hate the grind. i like the actual play with the t10 tanks not playing low tiers with 10 second aim time then miss after aiming

[hollow mauve]

i dealt 6,4k dmg in t9 and lost... its luck

[small prism]

@hollow mauve how log are you plating this game.

[violet timber]

Its not luck

[hoary lake]

Enemies's luck

[hollow mauve]

if i had a better team i would've won

[violet timber]

Yes, your team lacked skill. That is not luck.

[plucky summit]

Winrate is not luck 😂
There's a reason clans pick better WR players

[hollow mauve]

luck decides if you get a skilled or unskilled team. this time it was a lack of luck so its still based on luck x

[violet timber]

Skill decides if your team wins or not.

[plucky summit]

Yes but your skill has a tangible part of whether you win or lose

[small prism]

Again its very importent to have good teamates i even lose 4v 2 sometimes cuz of my dumb teamates....

[hollow mauve]

i mean 6,4k dmg in tier 9 is good. but it got trumphed by bad luck in match making xd so even tho i did good i lowered my winr ate

[plucky summit]

I'm not saying it's pure skill, but it's most definitely not pure luck

[zinc anchor]

One loss doesnt really do much to your wr anyways i think you will be fine

[hollow mauve]

but its happening quite a lot lol

[violet timber]

You’re the only commonality between all of your teams 🤷‍♂️

[hollow notch]

Do you also complain that a match is unfair for the enemies when you win?

[plucky summit]

I say RNG has more to do with the battle's outcome than your teammates 😅

[lyric copper]

the only range that rng matters for winrate is people near average winrate

48.5%-52.4% is where RNG may have affected your games

above or below that is more you than rng

[hollow mauve]

i am thinking to my self that the enemy team was filled with rtards and the good players on top had bad luck

[plucky summit]

Hey now, rules.

[vernal yoke]

get a bigger clippazine🧠

[hollow notch]

But do you come here to complain that you are winning too much?

Yes or no

[small prism]

Uh i like my new pfp

[hollow mauve]

no because my trash teams never let me pass 60 lol. everytime i do good there are the noobs who do nothing and get us flanked

[plucky summit]

My trash teams let me pass 60 <3

[small prism]

Yee its much better now

[violet timber]

“I’m not good enough to be a 60%er so I’ll blame my teams instead”

[hollow notch]

Because "it's only fine until it happens to me" is why you have people countering you.

[plucky summit]

I also love the implications of differing skills in an all-luck argument

Bad luck gives me bad teammates -> Teammates have bad skill -> Skill doesn't somehow determine whether you win or lose

[hollow mauve]

xcan u rephrase lol i didnt udnerstand that sentence xd

[plucky summit]

Literally saying good or bad teammates exists throws your whole argument out

[violet timber]

The sheer brilliance of that argument is unparalleled

[hollow mauve]

well of course its luck(with a touch of rng) but the enemy team has to be bad as well if they let you 1v7 them and thats still lucky if you are agasitn so bad players xd

[plucky summit]

Skill-based game, then.

[hollow mauve]

and what decides on what team all teh skilled/unskilled players are? xd

[zinc anchor]

You cant rlly say this game is full of luck when rng is teally the only luck based thing. There are tons of different ways a game can turn out, and you can single handedly change the outcome with even one simple decision

[plucky summit]

This whole luck argument only applies to you, if you're ignoring that teammates or enemies have skill (which would nullify your argument), which makes your perception a misconception

[merry current]

good players win more often because of their skill, not because theyre lucky
cope seethe mald u have skill issue L

[plucky summit]

The existence of "good" and "bad" players at all makes his argument non-existent 💀

[hollow notch]

I am the only good player

All you guys suck

[zinc anchor]

🌬

[hollow mauve]

u cant rly ignore ur team mates tho since u cant rly win without them

[plucky summit]

Of course not, because their skills help you win

[mild otter]

Where's skill of going forward and backwards in a thick metal hunk of Junk that shoots metal things at other metal hunk of junks to win

[violet timber]

Most players will fall under the 30/40/30 umbrella. 30% of games will be a loss, 40% of games they will make a difference, and 30% of games will be a win.

[plucky summit]

Well, even if you oversimplify it like that, there's still skill in aiming the metal things 🤪

[violet timber]

Have to make sure your metal thing hits the enemies metal thing

[mild otter]

Rng aims for you, fully aimed in shots can miss in the stupidest way possible

[merry current]

aim is like the least skill intensive part of blitz
blitz is 90% positioning 10% knowing where to aim

[hollow mauve]

then there is luck and bad luck. if ur tank isnt very accurate and u aim at a weakspot. luck can decide if it goes there or not

[plucky summit]

Yes, but that doesn't often determine whether you win or not

[zinc anchor]

Thats what im sayin fr

[violet timber]

I’ve won games where I missed almost half my shots and still got over 3k damage

[hollow mauve]

i mean i have lost 2k dmg in certaing ames purely because the shell went probably backwards or smth. nowhere near where i aimed xd

[plucky summit]

Penning two HESH shells and splashing one 😋

@hollow mauve I'm not saying it has no effect, but skill takes priority over RNG

[violet timber]

183 best starter tank 😉

[merry current]

and ive had many games where i couldve clutched a 1v7 🤪
just because it can happen doesnt mean it should
just git gud instead of complaining about stuff u cant control

[plucky summit]

Think of this situation:

You're aiming at a medium-sized target, and with good aim (a skill), you can maximize your chance of dealing damage to a 60% chance, which RNG controls

If you were bad at aiming, your shot might not even have a chance at all

[safe cedar]

I have like a >70% hit rate 💀

[plucky summit]

Literally being able to do anything better than another player means that this game isn't pure luck

[violet timber]

A better player might even make the conscious decision to wait a lil bit to let their tank aim more and then aim at the drive wheel to stop the tank, forcing them to use a repair kit.

[hollow mauve]

what makes someone bad at aiming and whats good at aiming?
doesnt the actual accuracy of ur tank matter?

[plucky summit]

The accuracy does matter, that's where the 60% chance comes from, with a more accurate tank, it could be 85%, but there's still a difference between a good aimer and bad aimer

[hollow mauve]

still didnt answer what a good or bad aimer is tho xd

[merry current]

and we go back to another braindead discussion 😫

[plucky summit]

If you can't answer that, then you shouldn't have an opinion here about the game being luck-based.

[hollow mauve]

im not saying i cant, im asking of your opinion of it
for ome reason you are the one having issues answering that...

[plucky summit]

Let's say you're aiming at a BT-SV

A bad aimer might go for the small turret, and the good aimer could go for the large hull

Each choice affects your chance of dealing damage

[hollow notch]

Hit rate honestly means very little.
You could either
1: not getting out as many shots as you can because you spend all of your time making sure the shots will hit perfectly
Or

2: taking nothing but extremely risky shots that are poorly aimed that have almost no chance of connecting.

[solid gate]

Ngl, I liked a lot the Skoda T 45

[plucky summit]

There's no middle ground?

You... You mean I'm not standing on anything? 😰😰😰

[hollow notch]

I was pointing out the parts that make it a bad stat to look at

[plucky summit]

I was just making an example

Hoping the simplicity would get through to V1king

[hollow mauve]

but since ur tank ahs garbage accuracy u missed the entire tank.. or it ended up in the tracks or any spot where it cant pen
thats where my issue is

[merry current]

then stop playing tanks with garbage accuracy if ur going to whine about missing lmao

[plucky summit]

Then that's the tank's problem, and you probably shouldn't be using it 😋

But your aim determines how much of a chance you have at dealing damage

[hollow mauve]

i aim at the weakspots... rng is deciding if its gonna shot where i aim or not lol why is that so hard to udnerstand

[plucky summit]

I understand that, but you staked the argument that skill had nothing to do with your wins and losses

[hollow mauve]

i didnt mean that. im just saying luck trump skill. skill gives u a higher chance of winning. but luck will ultimately decide if u win or not

[hollow notch]

wins a 1v5

[plucky summit]

Luck can trump skill, but luck isn't the main determining factor of your winrate

[merry current]

by that logic all good players arent skilled, they are just more lucky than 40%ers

[hollow mauve]

tbh to some degree yes lol. i have seen 60% guys play like absolute sht
with garbage stats

[plucky summit]

It could be a bad day or a bought account. Or a mostly seal-clubbing account

[merry current]

thats because winrate is a terrible factor to determine skill
just because ur 60% doesnt mean ur good, cuz its easily padded

[hollow mauve]

oh yeah seen a guy with 50-60k battles in tieer 3 alone >.>

[plucky summit]

Which also brings into question, WR is an admittedly bad way to determine skill, it should be mostly damage per battle or XP per battle

[hollow mauve]

and this is why i dont udnerstand why every clan wants win rate since ome 60 guys are way worse than some 50-55 guys

[plucky summit]

Not every clan does, in fact they look at 30d winrate to make sure the player is actually a good player

[merry current]

then u have no idea whats happening
every good clan takes a lot of other stats in consideration

[hollow mauve]

most clans i've asked be like nothing else than career matters

[plucky summit]

Then they're just generally wrong lol

They act like nobody should have a "noob" phase which hurts their WR in the long run

("noob" is a term often placed with a determination of skill, by the way, where they tend to lose battles more because of their noob skills)

[violet timber]

30d matters a lot more than career. My career is 53.77%, but if I bothered to actually play I could generally get 58-60% on 30d

[hollow notch]

If a clan only looks at career, they are bad

[plucky summit]

60% career, usually 70% on 30d. I'd get into a nice clan if I cared to 💀

[hollow mauve]

my career is 56,8. i used to have 62% on 30, 60 and 90 until i got pulled down by gabage teams over and over until my 30 became 56

[violet timber]

That's mostly on you tbh

[hollow notch]

M8
You are the only common factor of your team.

[plucky summit]

What if you didn't deserve the 62% in the first place because it's all luck? 😳

[hollow mauve]

i mean i lost with 6,4k dmg and won with 0 dmg

[hollow notch]

Damage is easy to farm on a losing team

[plucky summit]

Darn teammates, stealing my damage >:(

[hollow mauve]

i am very unlucky with teams lol. i mostly get people with less than 1k dmg at tier 10 and have to do most of it my self

[violet timber]

I'm sensing some confirmation bias

[hollow notch]

Just a lil bit

[hollow mauve]

like today i played with 5k wn8 then boom i had these garbage teams who just got plowed and i was rushed(team also pushed me to death)

[merry current]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[plucky summit]

Who's to say you didn't just happen to be in a good position to make a difference during the match?
There's luck, but there's also skill that can manipulate your luck

[hollow mauve]

every player with 60+ win rate just "happens" to be at the right place :p

[plucky summit]

Because they know where to be at what time 🙃

[violet timber]

Almost as if they have the skill to recognize the situation

[merry current]

nah they just got lucky

[hollow mauve]

i mean do kinda have 62% my 30 days is kinda new i havnt played every day. and i had garbage teams to pull down my good games

[plucky summit]

You act like every other player is the same random tank that does random things until they win or lose

[hollow mauve]

i know u have also been pulled down from time to time

[merry current]

then u didnt deserve the 62% wr 🙄

[plucky summit]

I've been pulled down too, but I could still make enough of a difference to breach 60%

[hollow notch]

Pulled down?

If my meatshields aren't stealing my damage there is more damage for me to do.

Good games come from the incompetence of your own team.

[hollow mauve]

bruh sure what ever u say 4

[merry current]

if u ever think ur luck is bad, ive had lower 30d wr than my career before
51% wr with unicum wn8 at t10 with a 54% career

[plucky summit]

A good team wouldn't have let me do this

[hollow mauve]

today i have 55% wr with super unicum wn8 with t62a

[merry current]

cool, stop spamming low tiers

[plucky summit]

I'd like to take a look at your damage statistics 😅

[merry current]

62a has a terrible wn8 bar, u can super unicum with like 2k dmg

most meds are ez wn8

[hollow mauve]

had 5k wn8 tho

[violet timber]

How many battles?

[hollow mauve]

well today 10 until i rqge quit (played type 71 sht jap when RQ)
damn this page hase worse filtering than sies meant for kids