vehicles-discussion

[tulip knot]

All suspensions are named after the tank

[solid gate]

Oh I I guess I was wrong, I can’t find any that share tracks, @tulip knot well a lot of them anyway

[tulip knot]

I think it was a recent-ish update

[timid wharf]

nah, he catches "men of culture", have you seen his "content cop" video's

[boreal spruce]

that UD is evil

[empty helm]

Caernarvon-Conqueror
M41-T49
That's what I know

[safe cedar]

Any one else want to see cheiftan/T95 buff?

[frail dagger]

some other tanks share hulls, T110E3, T110E4, T110E5, and i think the M103?

[past fractal]

T29 T30 T34

[chilly gust]

i want to grind the batchat line from start,is the amx 12t sucks?

[frail dagger]

like, every single russian TD and german td,
Actually, almost every TD. Period.

[past fractal]

Weakspots dissapearing new tank after new tank

[empty helm]

Nah not m103

[past fractal]

I believe original T57 is based on M103 hull

[empty helm]

True

Also I think Badger have the same hull as the Caernarvon

[frail dagger]

like seriously, only the SU-130PM comes to mind when i think of a TD that doesn’t share a hull, not a single german, cant think of any of the Russians, americans maybe(?) but also i guess the british?

[thorny smelt]

How about Rheinmetall Skorpion G?

[sleek apex]

Warhammer 40k Vindicator or maybe not since theres also the predator

[empty helm]

AT-15, Tortoise
Rhm, Kanonen thingy, E25, Steyr
Su-100m1, Su 101, obj 263
T25/2 probably, T28 proto probably

[scarlet kernel]

Russian is pretty much all of it's td
Same with china

[sleek apex]

Kanonen are based from ru 251 hull, Su-100m1 is a rear casemate version of su-100, su-101 used t-44 hull, Obj. 263 from IS-7, T25/2 shares the hull on T25 AT & T25 medium, T28 with the t28 defender and the T28 (minus that transmission tumor)

He's kinda right since td are mostly casemate version of existing chassis mounted with larger guns, i think there could be some though but i cant recall one

[empty helm]

So only tortoise and at-15

[scarlet kernel]

There is also the WZ blaze, the name is WZ-135-G FT
But i have not found anything related to WZ-135

[frail dagger]

panther IG

[frail dagger]

All the Su-100M1 - T-34/44, Su-101 a T-44, Object 263/is-8, T25/2, - T25 Proto, T28 Prot - T28

oh shoot someone already replied my bad mate

[frail dagger]

At-15/At-15A, pretty sure the tortoise is a modified At-15 as well but im not 100%

[empty helm]

Only e-25 and steyr left
Rhm have Hetzer suspension

[frail dagger]

RHM, Kanojagpanzer and the E-25? Yea, thats fair

Oh roger that

[empty helm]

Just look at it

[sleek apex]

This one shares hull with vk leopard afaik

[frail dagger]

KanonJagpanzer shares its Hull with the RHM Panzerwagon, the German X Lt, in mainline Wot, no blitz equivalent to my knowledge, the Styr i have no idea, and the e25 likewise

[sleek apex]

E25 are improved design (afaik) of E-10 which are planed competitior of Jgpz. (38)t. Although i dunno if thats considered

[empty helm]

So only Steyr 😔

[frail dagger]

Which is whack

[empty helm]

At least France tier 7-10 tds have different hull

I think

[frail dagger]

the x is amx 50 120 likewise with the Foch, and the tier 8 is a further modification of the Amx 50 100, plus a derivative for the next two, and the 7 is the TEIR 7 french chassis

[frail dagger]

Like i said, i believe its almost 90%+ of all tanks, the majority of that 10% being Premium bois

Hell even some of the MTS are based on a TD chassis

[rigid rover]

why is chat so cured rn
yt videos
dont go to wotb discord server at 3am! the ghost grille will haunt you!

[frail dagger]

The grille 15! It shares a similar hull to the steyr right?

[empty helm]

Someone said it was a modifier panther hull idk

[frail dagger]

Damn, though that would make sense

St Emil?

[rigid rover]

kinda but shorter

[empty helm]

Vk 30 01 H hull but longer

[thorny smelt]

VK 30.01 H

Nashorn and Hummel have the similar casemates

[frail dagger]

really?
Im trying to disprove my hypothesis so hard now

[thorny smelt]

I mean casemate. Their hulls are different

[frail dagger]

Nashorn and Hummel are both PZ4 derivatives

All german tech tree, french, american, russian, the majority of british, all chinese, what about the japs?

Thats the only td line we have missed, right?

[empty helm]

Just look at the name

[frail dagger]

thats fair, all are HO-RI of a degree

[empty helm]

Only tier 9 ho ri is different

[frail dagger]

here we go, a complete list of every td i can find that has no derivative:

Su-130pm
Ts-5
Amx CDA 105
GSOR-1008
All nationless TDs
T28 HTC,
And my boi the steyr

[hollow belfry]

from the little information I’ve found, the Steyr’s WT hull is based on the Raupenschlepper Ost (a fully tracked prime mover also developed by Steyr on the basis of their light truck)

[empty helm]

T28 HTC still have the normal t28 suspension but bigger

[frail dagger]

fixed, just crossed it out

Is that it?

[empty helm]

Idk but is it the same

[frail dagger]

Yknow, ill take it

5.36% of all TDs in Blitz have a pure hull

6/112, if your curious^

Those 6 are:
Steyr,
Su-130pm,
Ts-5,
Gsor-1008,
Helsing,
WZ blaze

not including the Vindicator btw, its a modified predator

Why is the T67 (tier V) a modified M41

[hushed dust]

What kinds of TD that can go Frontline assault?

[chilly gust]

everything before fv183,t110e3 line,badger

[thorny smelt]

FV215b 183 is more of a support TD

[chilly gust]

that's why i write "before"

[thorny smelt]

My bad

[thorny smelt]

US: T28, T95, T110E3; TS-5, T28 HTC, T110E4
UK: AT-2 to Tortoise; FV217 Badger, AT 15A, Turtle Mk. 1
China: WZ-113G FT
Germany: Jagdtiger and Jagdpanzer E 100
USSR: Object 263, Object 268/4

[bright pasture]

131G FT is too weak

Maybe 113G FT or 111-1G FT ?

[thorny smelt]

I confused with another tank.

[wise moth]

Actually, the kjpz shares its hull with the RU-251

[frail dagger]

Bingo! Can always count on Posit1ve_ to aid us!

[thorny smelt]

You're right

[empty helm]

The heck
A light tank based on a TD

[bright pasture]

French : Foch and Foch 155 ?

[thorny smelt]

Foch is a versatile TD and Foch 155 a support TD

[agile wyvern]

How can i buy the Skoda t27 legendary camo?

[empty helm]

Skoda t25, Skoda t50 and TVP are the best mediums in Czechoslovakia line

[thorny smelt]

Because they're autoloaders?

[empty helm]

Yes

15sec for 400 dmg is worth it

[regal bough]

15 seconds for 400 damage 🤨

[empty helm]

It's the 50% crew I think

[copper swan]

get crew to 100%

[bright pasture]

*480

[tulip knot]

https://na.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/article/25202/

[minor obsidian]

is the leopard good?

[plucky summit]

VK 16.02 Leopard?
The tier 5? :p

[minor obsidian]

yeah but my bigger issue is the low tier TDs

[lyric copper]

its actually the Conqueror

[lyric copper]

wrong, the RU 251 is based on the Kanonen's chassis

[empty helm]

the conqueror have the caernarvon hull

in 1949, it was decided to bring the armament up to 120 mm. As this delayed the project, in 1952 the FV 201 hull was combined with a 17 pounder-armed Centurion Mk 2 turret to give the FV 221 Caernarvon Mark I
-Wikipedia

[rigid thunder]

the caernarvon is actually a project to take the hulls from the fv200 project (which lead to the fv214 conqueror), combining them with a Centurion mk 3 turret. It was meant to be a temporary measure before the actual turrets could be rolled out

[empty helm]

So it's like a pre-conqueror?

[rigid thunder]

could think of it that way yeah

[wanton marlin]

What line should I grind next?

[violet timber]

4202

[wise moth]

Between those 2 options, I would go 4005 line. Vickers light line is honestly not great at this point

[wanton marlin]

ok

[limber berry]

Zamnn

[umbral hamlet]

4005 is an amazing gun on a paper and mobile platform
Vickers is a very good light tank

[solid gate]

Anyone agree that the grille should have the 45 degrees of elevation that the waffle has on its 460 alpha gun? It would give the grille an interesting and (IMO) much needed buff, without perhaps making it OP by giving it the more important depression, and it would keep with the grilles play style and help it get extra elevation by backing up cliffs etc., particularly important on maps like mines

[wise moth]

That would imply that the Grille doesn’t already have 45 deg of gun elevation

[solid gate]

It has 15 I think??? Did it change, I'm really dumb if it did 🤭

[wise moth]

O wait it is 15. I thought it was 45

[solid gate]

Yes I just checked

It was particularly annoying the other day on mines, even though the grille is probably a bit underpowered right now and it's not the biggest buff I think it would help without overdoing things, and fit nicely with the idea of the tank

[umbral hamlet]

i think grille with 700 dmg and nerfed dispersion would be a good compromise, it has reticle anyway

[solid gate]

Well, idk about the alpha, it's more about dpm than alpha imo (wouldn't mind the 600 alpha if reload was 10/11 seconds, however idk why it wasn't just left alone the gun was balanced as it was), and accuracy is one of the only things grille has (watered down by terrible on move dispersion) without having to give up a repair kit that you may very well need when you're tracked/you get dmed by HE

[umbral hamlet]

you cant really make a paper td dpm-based
Imo if they increased camo, capped speed at 45kmh with okish p/w ratio (14 effective), gave it 700 alpha and nerfed dispersion to .33 it would be a good and balanced tank

[solid gate]

Well, I'm not sure it's already kind of Dpm based, I think speed should be left as it was pre nerf, it's fast but it puts it apart from other mediocre speed tds with good camo, even though camo would be nice on grille

[scarlet grotto]

can you guys give me any tips on how to play the italians tanks ? starting from P.44

[crystal heron]

Is the Helsing tank still a good tank? Or is it bad?

[merry current]

its ok, pen values have gone up over the years so its armor is no longer relevant

[shy hound]

Not good

[crystal heron]

And the annihilator?

[shy hound]

Idk it’s ok

[wanton marlin]

Any thoughts on the FV301?

[crystal heron]

Its okay

[blissful hamlet]

It has 24°, 15° over the sides

[blissful hamlet]

Great lt

[wanton marlin]

15 Over the sides?

The FV301 needs HESH or some kind of high pen HE

[blissful hamlet]

Not really, since it's a 84mm and the vick cr has hesh

[dim shard]

I think HE shells (Hesh not included) of calibers below 140mm are becoming more and more irrelevant because of the low pen, which alone wouldn’t be a problem if it wasn’t combined with low damage difference with AP and paper armored tanks having spall liner. Why do spall liner even exist in the first place? The Fv4005 for example is infuriating to play against because of how it’s able to just rush a tank whenever it wants, unload clip and run away and all of these more or less reliably. The HE would be a great way to limit these (or at least force enemy to use more brain) but as I said earlier except if you’re a big caliber you can’t HE it since the 20% reduction will make your HE not worth the non-pen risk or will even deal less dmg than regular AP. Maybe, just maybe, change the spall liner from 20% to 10% reduction and make it so it reduces chances to break modules/kill crew?

HE shells are already hard to use efficiently and should be more rewarding than currently but it feels like WG is trying to do the opposite.

[safe cedar]

Well the reason why is hard to explain, WG is more or less trying to nerf the 183 and make it irrelevant like KV-2, but without removing it. I agree regular HE does need to make a bit of a comeback.

I would like to see HE get improved module damage when it splashes though.

[dim shard]

But it’s dumb. It’s not making FV 183 any less stupid and meds/lights trying to improve DPS by being efficient ends up taking the damage (not literally but still)

[olive hare]

How to unlock offer for 35k gold?

[valid gale]

Spall liner exists only for fv4005 and grille the 4005 needs it because the most paper tank that’s also extremely tall is incredibly painful to play when it gets HEd nonstop and broken modules and terrible gameplay when no one needs to pen anymore when you can splash for 20% less damage constantly

[dim shard]

Bat-Chat has spall liner. It doesn’t need. All it need is a 5 shell clip

[dim shard]

And that’s why I said spall liner shouldn’t just reduce damage taken by 20% but reduce 10% damage from HE AND lower chance to damage module/kill crew.

You’ve just confirmed what I said

[valid gale]

Batchat is also paper and wasn’t even reliable to HE before anyways and when running spall liner it sacrifices a provision slot reducing effectiveness

[dim shard]

I’ve just said it didn’t need it why are you just repeating what I said

[valid gale]

There’s no point to run it at that point enemy side can’t disable this autoloader more so and it barely even reduces damage the 20% reduces HE but you still can break its modules easily

No? You said nothing on what the BC sacrifices to use it nor that it was HE resistant even before it got it

[dim shard]

I didn’t quite understand what you’re saying but from what I’ve understood yes that’s what I explained earlier. Spall liner at it’s current state is stupid, big calibers HE (which are the ones disabling modules) aren’t too affected by spall liner while small calibers trying to improve DPM ends up dealing less damage than if they fired AP

I don’t need to say why it’s a bad idea to run spall liner on BC because I said it doesn’t need it, and being useless kinda implies it’s potentially taking something else’s slot

[minor obsidian]

eli5 what to do as a tank destroyer

[shy hound]

NOT 5 SHELLS it's fine the way it is don't even suggest such a thing

[wise moth]

I fully support #BatChat350x5

[hollow notch]

Nah
Yolo clippers are unfun to play against

[wise moth]

Just don’t get YOLO’d

[dim shard]

Because it's one of the worst light (2nd worst out of all tier VIII, IX and X lights combined) with only 48.32%. It's hull is huge, camo not that great and yes it has mobility but everyone except super heavies do have great mobility too and it's mobility is countered by horrible gun depression/elevation.
It's supposed to be a scary assasin that can kill isolated tanks but right now it's a lame support that fears everyone

[hollow notch]

Now this is a big brain argument

[wise moth]

If you’re exposed to a Bat Chat for a full 12s, you honestly deserve to take 1750

[hollow notch]

It's one of the fastest 10s
If it wants to suicide at you, you dont have the option

[shy hound]

I don't want it to become a LONG RELOAD clipper

[wise moth]

Just gonna point out that 12s is a literal eternity. Anyone who’s played the current 50 B can attest to that, and that thing has a ton of HP too

[wise moth]

Long reload clippers are less toxic than short reload clippers. Just look at all of the 2 shot autoloaders at tier VIII. T77, Bourrasque, GSOR, all of them are totally broken

[shy hound]

But rn bc 25 t is not broken and the reload is decent

[wise moth]

Right, current BC is totally irrelevant, and has been for some time now.

[dim shard]

But damage is below average and pen is average. Why take batchat when you have TVP

[shy hound]

Kinda ig. I absolute hate the stupid "balancing" decisions almost every single time in this gane

[shy hound]

DPM ig idk... I have both and I enjoy bc more

[hollow notch]

I realise it takes a while. The bat is a fraction of the size of the 50b, is more mobile by a long shot, and you want it to clip out barely damaged tanks just by driving at me.
If it yolos and sticks to the side of my maus (getting some cover from my teammates using me) what can I do? Hope I scrape it off in time?
Then it's just gonna use its mobility to yeet to the other side of me (notice this is a suicidal bat) and continues dumping into me while I have 0 choice in the matter

Noobs are just gonna go "yay did my hp pool"

[wise moth]

The “YOLO for one clip” noob is just such a strawman argument at this point. So many tanks in the game at this point reward, or have rewarded such gameplay both in Blitz, and PC, and this type of player simply has not existed

[hollow notch]

Unlike a 183 "just don't get shot"

A "just don't get clipped" is a completely different matter to avoid when combined with a small high camo highly mobile tank

[dim shard]

Said this like TVP and FV4005 didn't exist

[wise moth]

At this point, I’m just done even considering it as a legitimate argument.

[hollow notch]

Yes.
Ok.

I love the 4k5 and tvp

[wise moth]

4005 and TVP have fast interclips. 4005 can unload in like 6s with clip boost, and TVP is 4.5s. A 5 shell bat would be 12s. 12s is literally in the ballpark of IS-3 and T28 defender unload time.

[dim shard]

For real. The FV4005 has 4 shots with 290mm pen (bc has 240mm) and 410 alpha.

1640 potential damage in 7.5 seconds.

Now batchat. For some hecking reason, it's intra clip reload is longer than FV with 2.8s for one shell so if 5 shell clip it's 11s. Let's assume it keeps current alpha of 310:

1550 potential damage in 11s and way less penetration and accuracy

Even with 5 shells this gun is literally worse in every stats than FV. Not a single stat is spared

[violet timber]

Less penetration and accuracy, but more armor and speed

[dim shard]

More armor? Both has spall liner so HE can't really be taken account and if you're talking about AP well... Both sucks. Yes bc has upper glacis with ricochet potential but let's not lie it's 1 out of 45 shots (big calibers has 2 caliber rule) and yes speed. Let's remember I was talking if it had 5 shells which is not the case. Even with a 5 shell mag it would still lose to everything else than speed (what's your speed for btw, spotting? With that big huge chassis when T-100 LT can do it too with better armor and better profile and 3km/h more max speed and better camo and better dpm? Maybe relocating to another position but in this case why would the longer clip reload be a problem as stated by gentlemen above)

[plucky summit]

Please do not directly compare the autoloading guns of a light tank vs a tank destroyer ._.

Also it's either an autoricochet or a penetration for BC vs AP and APCR, two calibers rule is not needed to penetrate armor.

[dim shard]

For the armor part it's in reaction to the guy above saying Bat Chat had armor compared to FV

And I know I compared a light tank with a tank destroyer but there isn't much to compare among lights and lightly armored meds as batchat's autoloader seems to be underperforming against all of them

[plucky summit]

May I also point out that Batchat has much better accuracy, stat-wise, in comparison to FV4005, so emphasizing that not a single stat would be spared (unless you planned to nerf the accuracy when giving the 5 shot) is uh, misleading

[umbral hamlet]

if bc will ever have a 5-shell mag it'll 100% have its dispersion nerfed by astronomical levels

[plucky summit]

Even doubling dispersion on movement, traverse, and turret rotation?

[dim shard]

Oh yeah I've just checked and FV turns out to have worse aiming time. Point still stands as FV has better penetration and dispersion is same though

Basically the 5 shells gun it has on WoT Rollout

[umbral hamlet]

prob ~40% on movement n traverse, and a slight nerf to both aim time and dispersion

[dim shard]

My problem with Bat-Chat right now is that Blitz's Bat-Chat is Rollout (PC WoT)'s AMX 13 105 but the latter doesn't exist in Blitz so the 5 shells autoloader assassin doesn't exist neither.

[plucky summit]

My problem with BatChat is that it's a light tank

Inherently worse than medium tanks since Blitz is so small that spotting isn't exactly the role light tanks can perform in anymore

[dim shard]

Not even talking about how the maps are not just smaller it's also compacted so large plains where we can fully use speed and use better TD-Light synegy doesn't exist

It's like placing goosebumps every 10 meters on a race game why the hell would you do that

[plucky summit]

Light tanks in tier 10 needed gimmicks of their own to even think about competing in tier 10

BC needed an autoloader
Vickers Light needed to mimic FV4202
Sheridan needed a broken mechanic, but now just high alpha
T-100 LT needed to outclass medium tanks

[balmy compass]

Doesn’t Sheri also have the most spotting range now that the spotting range of the Vickers was nerfed

[plucky summit]

Yeah

[dim shard]

I don't think that matter since average heavy's view range already covers a good third of the map

[fast compass]

It only means Sheridan spots a tank ~10-15m before most other tanks

[solid gate]

View range is one of the single most Important factors in the game, don't underestimate it, also a fairly avg buff is actually quite large if you run improved optics or whatever it's called cause it's a % thing

[merry current]

view range doesnt matter much in pubs tbh, everyones stupid and info is really easy to get
it only matters in comp where information is key to winning

[solid gate]

Well yes it would be more important in comp, it's still incredibly important in pubs imo, it can save a whole side therefore saving the team

[rigid thunder]

the vickers needed to be a medium tank*

ftfy

[plucky summit]

Fair enough

[dim shard]

I think it would be even more important if there was more bushes. Strategically placed bushed, not random bushes that only serve as scenery or bushes that are there only to indicate to noobs where are obvious camping spots that rarely works because of how often they're taken.

I agree spotting mechanics with percentages, analyzing tank to understand vision checkpoints location and all are fascinating but in game the Sheridan's view range is 10.8% bigger than the IS-7's and that represents... 32 meters of difference.
There is only 32 meters of difference between all heavies and the biggest view range in the game. Hills of the map are also placed so inconveniently for scouts to be passive scouting

Oh and one more thing there is no circles indicating view range limit on minimap. Why isn't there that circle so we can easily determine where to place so I can spot him but he can't spot back?

[solid gate]

That would just make spotting braindead, however you could probably do it yourself through a mod, but idk if it’s possible cause camo is involved and everything changes when you fire

[dim shard]

No. The circle thing is up by default on PC WoT and it does not take other factors into account intentionally. One circle shows current view range of your vehicle, another shows max view range of all vehicles and a third max distance where you can see the enemy spotted by allies.
The last one isn't useful in Blitz as we can see enemy trough entire map if spotted.

I think you misunderstood what I said about what does circles indicate. Those circles can’t change (except if commander/vision port damaged) because they doesn’t depend on the enemy at all they only depends about your view range

[thorny smelt]

Like close to WoT PC?

[dim shard]

I’m asking for the exact same circles indications as in WoT PC indeed

[violet timber]

Just learn to use bushes effectively

[thorny smelt]

I'm all for it

[dim shard]

Only problem in my opinion is that bushes in Blitz maps are stupidly placed, only there to either favorise camping spots or be a scenery

[violet timber]

There are plenty of spotting bushes

[dim shard]

Example? I’m all here to learn.

[violet timber]

There are lots of bushes that can be used as a second line firing position or a spotting bush

The camping bushes are way in the back, pretty much every other bush can be used by an LT to hide and spot

[solid gate]

Yeah ok interesting, not sure how that would work in blitz

[dim shard]

Why not

[solid gate]

I didn’t say it wouldn’t, I said I’m not sure how that would work, also I think the way it is spotting requires skill and knowing your tank and knowing each map, maybe on bigger maps the circle is necessary but it seems ok without it in blitz to me

And are you saying you don’t know any spotting bushes?? There’s often one on each side for each map, some are overrated but some are extremely useful (and some are great for fast tds to get some early shots off, and ofc. Meds and lights can get a shot or two off)

[dim shard]

Nah yeah I can see which bushes you talk about I was initially wondering which because I had this map in my head

[violet timber]

Himmels and New Bay are the only two maps I can currently think of that don’t have really good spotting bushes

[solid gate]

Yeah not all maps have it, some just have good positions to spot with no bush, however that map actually has a super cheeky spotting bush that I’ve taken advantage of before, depends on the enemy team and yours though probably and it’s a little risky, not sure if it works for both sides

[dim shard]

Where am I supposed to go in castilla for example?

[violet timber]

Up the castle

[dim shard]

But it’s so small any enemy who also went up can proxy spot

[violet timber]

That’s how castilla works

[hollow sequoia]

thats the point of castilla, spot the meds and take the hill. do NOT go windmill

[solid gate]

Desert sands, Middleburg has some great spotting positions but they don’t have bushes, dynasty’s pearl has some bushes but they’re often useless if the enemy has a tank as fast as yours, you’ll get spotted before you get there, however it’s still good for spotting even if you get spotted

[night citrus]

always yolo windmill

[solid gate]

Yes, however in some situations that doesn’t happen, in which case there are some magnificent bushes to spot or snipe from

[ancient iron]

is the pudel effectively identical to the Bret Panther?

[rigid thunder]

no

[solid gate]

It’s worse, the Bret has better armour, apart from that pretty similar, pudel has more pen I believe

[dim shard]

Bret Panther has 10mm less penetration on both standard rounds but if both premium ammo Bret Panther has 15mm more

[solid gate]

Ahh, I was talking about standard, but I didn’t know/forgot that Bret has better prammo pen

[sleek apex]

The playstyle are almost identical on both tanks (and other Panther counterparts). Pudel can have more hp (with dual sandbags and improved assembly), has 10mm more AP pen, slightly faster acceleration; but lower top & average speed, weaker armor, and 15mm less APCR pen compared to Bretagne Panther.

[ancient iron]

so... how much does top engine improve the cent 7/1?

I have 39.6k xp and 51.4k free xp... should I burn free xp on the engine or will it be effectively just as painful to play?

[merry current]

the engine is a pretty massive upgrade
7/1 is a pretty solid tank in general

[hollow sequoia]

7/1 is amazing

[muted raptor]

Popped up in PC's supertest... meaning we also might be getting it sometime in the future? Basically an OF-40, the Italian Leo 1.

[fast compass]

Someday. It might not arrive anytime soon if blitz decides to make it a collector. It is honestly a surprise that we are getting an Italian td line so soon after PC gets it already. Unlikely the trend will continue

[hollow notch]

I sure hope the the tds don't keep the pc armor profile

[lofty gust]

Which tank is better PZ IV S or M4ID

[lilac mica]

M4AID

[solid gate]

It’s a massive improvement, get the engine first thing, it’s like a heavy but without the armor with a stock engine, power to weight changes from something like 12 to 18 (roughly, I’m not actually sure what the numbers are)

[solid gate]

Absolutely speaking, the m41 is better cause it’s a tier higher, however tier for tier I’d say they’re pretty close, m41 seems good but I know the pz iv s is certainly a lot easier to play

[thorny smelt]

Looks at Object 263/Object 268/4 line:

[feral portal]

depends on you

[hollow notch]

263? Really?

Not even close

Also add gun depression

[solid gate]

The v4 armour profile is overrated, I could pen it the other day using leopard 1 AP while it wasn’t really angled (I used AP instead of HEAT cause it was a messy situation and I needed the kill)

[thorny smelt]

The Object 268/4 line (except for the SU-122-54) is madness in WoT PC. SU-100M1 is quite strong against tier 6-7.

[blissful hamlet]

I don't think so,
Since the CdC 45t is coming

[blissful hamlet]

The top engine is the Griffon, strongest british engine

[blissful hamlet]

The sheridan line is pretty nice

[past fractal]

T92E1 is the most noob friendly american light because of its angled armor and good gun, as well as speed
Stay with the thing for awhile before getting Sheridan. Personal experience, Sheridan is far more unforgiving than T92E1 is for their respective tiers (as well as stats to some extent)

[solid wolf]

im planning to put sandbags because i play it on second line assault tank hmm should i sacrifce the small soup?

[violet timber]

What tank are you talking about?

[solid wolf]

this

[empty helm]

You should really grind some credits

[solid wolf]

im okay im playing witg my credit boosters on
@empty helm

[shy hound]

Very similar, but bretagene is just way better in the armor and better gun I believe... And It looks cooler

[shy hound]

But aren't we getting the carro 45 t soin

Idk how similar it is

[wanton marlin]

Dreadnought without the cage and sandbags

[empty helm]

A box on track

[thorny smelt]

Churchill GC with different tracks

[ripe valve]

Is KV-5 a good tank to get?

[wanton marlin]

If you know how to play heavy’s yes. If not no

[umbral hamlet]

it's def fun to play and most tier7s are hopeless against its armor, but the tank itself is a prammo magnet so unless you wiggle/sidescrape i wouldnt suggest going straight on the frontline
The tank itself also weights 100 tons, making it amazing for ramming purposes and in Gravity mode

[wanton marlin]

So in a way Vk-5 = type 5 heavy ?

[umbral hamlet]

completly different tank and game but yes, the armor kinda works the same way (only the armor tho)

[wanton marlin]

Just realized how big the FV301 really is lol

[umbral hamlet]

definetly not at this price

[lyric oriole]

I mean, it kinda has medium tank stats

[fleet berry]

zin#0390 was banned

[stiff terrace]

I can’t be the only one to absolutely love Action x

[neon fog]

how do i get the new tiger 1 legendary camos?

[late thistle]

ace it 4 times for the fox camo

[neon fog]

is it free?

[late thistle]

yes. there's another legendary camo sold for money, baron camo

[small hinge]

Why did they have to reduce the speed an HP on the Type 71!??! Such a freaking rip off!!

[hollow notch]

Lol

[foggy spire]

Kreiler vs KV-5?

[lilac mica]

How should I equip Type 71

[merry current]

the same as every other heavy???

[balmy compass]

Damm bro what a scam, WG nerfed the most powerful heavy tank in the game

[dense blade]

huh? when did the nerf happen?

[balmy compass]

Effective tomorrow
#game-news

[lilac mica]

Some heavies have some different things but I guess for Type it would be

left right right
left left (?) right
left right left
"Then why you’re asking if you know how ?" because I want to know the opinions of the others about it. Type have good armor and enhanced armor could help a little.

[merry current]

enhanced armor doesnt do anything
95% of the tanks use the same equipment

and the deviations are personal preference, so within the same tank class u will almost always use the same equipment as ur other tanks

[lilac mica]

I see, thanks for the explanation I appreciate

[dense blade]

ah... i honestly dont mind them nerfin the speed tbh it is a ht afterall.

[foggy spire]

Imagine Type 71 with an autoloader. It’d be super cool.

[knotty robin]

They prob gon make that a tier 8 premium

[foggy spire]

LMAO. Then it’d stomp every tank in its bracket.

[violet timber]

It’s broken beyond belief

[small hinge]

😟😭😤🤬

[lyric island]

at least everyone can get it

[solid fractal]

What exactly are we supposed to do again?

[pulsar sinew]

Moderators aren’t devs lol

[forest ermine]

Plus you fail to see the bigger picture

New lines almost always have a somewhat too strong tier IX and X. It makes people grind those lines

The type was tested multiple times

You also seem to confuse us with Wg

We're players, we volunteer to moderate this server

[pulsar sinew]

You thought wrong

[forest ermine]

I get that you're salty, but you can mind your attitude, @lunar shuttle

[viral falcon]

That's not true, enhanced armour helps a lot more on tanks which armour are near the exact penetration values they face or is already strong, than an extra few hp. For example the Vk 72, Type 71, maus, Fv4202, Wz 113, Wz 113 G FT, Is-4, Is-7 etc.

[forest ermine]

We're trying to explain things and you're basically just being rude in turn

[pulsar sinew]

Just like you think wg doesn’t test tanks. They do. They have dedicated tank testers as well which they collect feedback from. Whether or not they listen to them is a different story

[fleet berry]

BlueBullBuffalo#1775 was muted

[pulsar sinew]

That’s enough. We tried explaining it to you. Don’t like it? That’s on you

[forest ermine]

I was going to reply, but the mute hammer hit him, oh dear

Anyhow, this has been done since about the beginning of the game, with any and every line that's been released

Not sure why it surprised anyone anymore, and from..a business point of view (Wg's view) it makes sense

[solid gate]

So as have red tanks aren’t supposed to be nerfed or buffed at all and are expected to perform perfectly with every other tank

[violet timber]

Type honestly would’ve been fine without the suspension equipment. I think that making a -5% armor to go along with the suspension may have made it more balanced, as you are making the tank lighter to give it more mobility

[fast compass]

So basically call the equipment "light load" or something a bit more fancy. You lose armor in exchange for that mobility

Or in better terms armor plates get "stripped" reduces weight, increases mobility

Things like the sideskirts get removed so you can visually tell what the type is running

[merry current]

having different armor profiles would make it confusing
they still need to fix the gd bug where the model doesnt show -9 gd tho 😦

[lyric copper]

honestly just make it a chieftain that traded its gun and some mobility for armour

and you dont need to give it some gimmicks to make it special

just -8 gundep, nerf the lower plate a little and the armour behind the front trackwheel

buff the pen a little so it isnt dead

why on earth do wg feel the need to give every new tank a gimmick which it doesnt need

[fast compass]

New gimmicks attract attention. Or them being flat out broken does the same as well. I mean Minotauro and the rest will have turret+ autoreloader as the selling point and hopefully wg doesn't feel the need to add new consumables/provisions/equipment

[thorny smelt]

I got hyped on its first leaks with good gun depression and armor close to Type 5 heavy and good mobility only to end up using equipment which made difficult to choose between gun depression or better traverse speed.

[lyric copper]

wg keep making more and more tanks for the sub-average moron player instead of actually balancing them to be both fun and fair

[thorny smelt]

I was expecting Type 71 be more of an assault MBT

[lyric copper]

it is though.

[thorny smelt]

More of a versatile heavy tank. Also the DPM when it was first leaked out. It's above average.

[lyric copper]

yeah nah prob one of the players it was made for

all WG needed to do was to give it -8°, slightly better pen and DPM, whilst nerfing the lower plate and armour behind the front track wheel

The JP heavies didn’t need gimmicks

They could have just been heavies with okayish mobility and guns, but excellent hulldown capabilities

[slate wren]

can you still get the octopus X legendary camo for the fv251b? or was that an event .-.

[lyric copper]

unlike the Chinese TDs, who were stuck between being a chunky 268 or worse E3

And also being in a tech tree that only really starts to be good in the higher tiers

[shy hound]

(From left to right) left left right, right left right, left right left

Just in my opinion

[lyric copper]

sub average who understands nothing

[slate wren]

excellent hulldown capabilities? we dont want that here in wotb dish that to wot (anyways we already have tanks like 60tp yoh superconq badger and others for that dont need another)

[lyric copper]

unlike the nutjobs at wotpc the type 71 has a cupola

if you don’t like it, you can make it weaker

and you can deal away with a braindead hulldown meta and move to a hulldown meta that requires skill to be effective

[slate wren]

just gets overshadowed by the superconq

[lyric copper]

wonder why the Mk.6 Chief wasn’t touched in 9.1? Because it’s a genuinely balanced tank

@slate wren then you simply give the Sconq an actual weakspot

[slate wren]

did they give sconq a actual weakspot? im just saying that if the type was to be nerfed in the way that you said it would be nerfed it be pointless since superconq just overshadows it

[lyric copper]

not nerfed, an actual rebalance

and if we’re here rebalancing one, may as well rebalance others

I want a meta where skill > anything

where a player can massively influence a game more so due to their own skill, rather than the tank doing the heavy lifting

but we can’t have that.

WG needs to keep making tanks for the sub average morons and kiddies like juan_es2006

[slate wren]

also why whould you nerf its mobility and bottom plate while buffing its pen and dpm? (its armour profile is kinda meh aside from its troll fontal track wheel) any one who know gold shells exist just butter its armour

[lyric copper]

yeah gold shells when it can just press A or D currently and bounce them all of a sudden

what fun

oh and most of the time they can pen you with standard

[slate wren]

having a cupola just destroys its hull down capability ya know so now it just be sad .-.

[lyric copper]

no, it means it takes genuine skill to hide it or make it less of a target

[slate wren]

.-. how do you block somthing on the top of your turret? your gun cant block it since its abit to the side and not dead center

[lyric copper]

or you know, have convenient tank design that completely hides it

60TP. M6Y, Kran etc

you don’t know how to turn your turret so the cupola and gun are in line?

…

[slate wren]

m6Y cupola is massive and kran never had much of a cupola to begine with more like a hatch same with 60tp and is4 aswell as others

[slate wren]

now you are just giving them your turret cheeks to shoot at .-. dunno whats the point

[lyric copper]

you know most HT cheeks are pretty thick in this game

[slate wren]

its already penable with standard/ gold now its just white if you turn it .-. the type 71 aint an is4 with sheesh side turret armour

[lyric copper]

and you aren’t meant to keep still either

[rigid thunder]

most HT cheeks can actually be destroyed with gold rounds, but when trying to block your cupola with your gun in a 60TP for example, you typically either lock your hull or turret in place and wiggle the other to make it a hard target. Bonus points if you can be very irregular with your motion

[slate wren]

dunno why you go through so much effort to block your cupola on the 60tp .-. its small as it is compariable to the fv215b's turret cupola

[lyric copper]

you were saying?

[slate wren]

gold? also gun dep? also you run enhanced armour??? but no cali to counter that ????? cmon bruh .-.

[rigid thunder]

because I have been on the giving and receiving end for many times for both tanks

[slate wren]

even in accurate gun tanks like the fv215b and the leo i see a 60tp hull down i just go meh ill skip

[lyric copper]

ah yes the IS-4 is punished for using his preference of rammer against a Type 71 and must switch to prammo

whereas the Type 71 can just aim at the IS-4’s weakspot with standard

[slate wren]

.-. what the is4 is in the open or something? the type 71's gun aint a laser pointer

[lyric copper]

the type can roll over and get a free shot

the IS-4 can’t

[slate wren]

is the is4 in hull down? its turret cheeks is smaller than the type 71's also it has a hatch no cupola

[lyric copper]

is the IS-4 faster and more dynamic than a type with suspension?

[slate wren]

is the is4 only tank in the game that will encounter an type? .-. also is4 is conky as it is dont need all that mobility and bs and if the type is running the suspension im pretty sure it only has 7 degrees of gun dep so now it cant even hull down as effectivly

[rigid thunder]

6*

[slate wren]

ah even bigger rip so the same as the is4

[lyric copper]

love it when you play a chieftain as a heavium and this thing shows up

and remember, the type is faster than a chieftain

[slate wren]

ya know the chieftain got terrible pen right? if this shows up i just dip no biggy find some other MEDIUM tanks to bully

[lyric copper]

you can’t dip because it outruns you

[slate wren]

i got no support or somthing? he just flat up yolo me? dont think the chief is suppose to be played that way

[rigid thunder]

to be fair when I do see a type 71 in a chieftain, fighting it on a ridgeline where it gets to use full gun depression against me I would just not fight it

[merry current]

this whole argument is braindead
also even mk6 can pramo the cheeks

[rigid thunder]

because by then I would be dead because who on earth lets a type 71 use ALL of its gun depression? Why is it on the highground even

[lyric copper]

yeah prammo the cheeks when he just slams standard into your cupola haha

[slate wren]

dont fight it .-. the hell you doing fighting an type you are a heavium remeber?

[lyric copper]

I’m not tryna

it forces fights with me

[slate wren]

or else what he yolo ? is it a 1v1? if it is i just push over and out dpm done another type dead

[rigid thunder]

try fighting one on level ground (even with a ridgeline between you 2) and you'll see how possible it is, instead of whatever the heck that scenario is

[lyric copper]

yes as it moves faster than me and can invalidate my pen by pressing A or D suddenly

[rigid thunder]

(you're supposed to aim at the shoulders)

[slate wren]

uh no any heavy with decent pen just go flat through its upperplate over angle abit and boom sides

[lyric copper]

press A or D suddenly and you just bounce in the type no lie

[slate wren]

.-. just being a braindead idiot if you play a type like that oh no im in the open time to spam a and d

[lyric copper]

when did I say spam it

I said press it at random and you just so happen to see grey

[slate wren]

any one who bother to aim in would just instantly pen you

[rigid thunder]

it's kinda up to you to predict that movement, and don't forget the cupola

[slate wren]

bro you know how over angled you have to be to bounce somthing on the upperplate if any heavy tanks just felt like using gold?

[lyric copper]

yes aim at his small cupola when he has my entire hull

[slate wren]

uh huh and he pen your hull rip

[rigid thunder]

And? It's not a small cupola btw, a target is a target

[slate wren]

abit troll cupola but its still big

[rigid thunder]

Small cupola falls under something like an IS-4's

[lyric copper]

310mm pen btw

[plucky summit]

Oh man 310mm AP would fend somewhat better at least

[rigid thunder]

Gosh those shoulders so beautiful

[lyric copper]

and if he baits a shoulder shot, he turns towards his shoulder and PING

“We dinged them”

he baits a LFP shot, turns away

“We scratched the paint”

[plucky summit]

We do a little trolling

[rigid thunder]

Fighting a player that does this may as well be the same as fighting a competent T-22 driver. It's all about prediction

[lyric copper]

also why the hell isn’t the driver’s hatch a weakspot

[rigid thunder]

You can actually pen it

[violet timber]

Can and will are two different things

[lyric copper]

about that.

[plucky summit]

Yeah it's not an option of the Type runs suspension

Type is only OP because of the suspension, remove that and tweak its stats a little and things get much better

It's too versatile for a heavy, which also was why IS-7 also ran around dominating for a while

[lyric copper]

“aim at the weakspots!1!1!!1!1”

“just aim at the weakspots!1!1!!1”

all the while he is faster than a chieftain, better armour at the cost of a slightly worse gun

oh and 330 HEAT on type vs 310 APCR on chief

BALANCE 100

[plucky summit]

Let's just say a Kranvagn has hulldown weakspots and shoot the point down right there

[rigid thunder]

"slightly worse gun"?? Haha sure...

[lyric copper]

you have better prammo pen

[plucky summit]

330 HEAT is about what 310 APCR can pen, given angled plates 🤷‍♂️

The only issue is CS, but that cuts Type's DPM even further below Chieftain's, literally 31% worse DPM if it runs CS

[lyric copper]

dpm doesn’t matter

[plucky summit]

Then Chieftain's considerably more accurate and versatile gun makes it much more than "slightly better"

[lyric copper]

what does the Chief’s dpm advantage matter when it can’t peek reliably due to the cupola the size of the Shard

[rigid thunder]

the type 71's gun is quite literally close to horrific

[plucky summit]

I said DPM, not DPM against a hulldown tank

[rigid thunder]

awful aim time, inaccurate, piss poor dpm, standard low alpha damage. Extremely inconsistent, as opposed to the chieftain which gets excellent aimtime, accuracy, dpm, prammo alpha (360 as opposed to standard 340), HE pen and standard pen

[plucky summit]

I wouldn't brag about the standard pen, Type 71's AP is effectively better than Chieftain's APCR

[rigid thunder]

ok fair point, forgot to mention the velocity myself

[lyric copper]

3° of normalisation cancels out the 5mm pen advantage

[plucky summit]

Oh it overcompensates it, but nonetheless it's a much worse gun

[lyric copper]

well when the rest of the tank overcompensates for it as well…

[plucky summit]

A gun isn't "slightly worse" than another because of the rest of the tank is better than the other.

[lyric copper]

which is why suspension removed, nerf lower plate and trackwheel armour, and de-trashify the gun is what I want

[rigid thunder]

good idea except that's literally the E5

[lyric copper]

as in to make the gun bearable

[plucky summit]

The only problem with the lower plate is the fact it's very angled

Either it's a guaranteed penetration or it's an autoricochet, depending on if you angle it or not

Also the 274mm plate is also on the top slit of the lower plate, which trolls some shells

[merry current]

lfp is an autobounce on flat ground unless ur tank is really low

[plucky summit]

Incorrect.

At the same gun level, the tank has to angle at least 25 degrees to the side to make the LFP begin autoricocheting

At that perspective, once the lower plate isn't an option, nearly the entire side is

Personally, I think the armor profile is fine on its own, without the unnecessarily beefed mobility that improved suspension offers. 90% of the problem is that suspension

[merry current]

its 70 deg on flat ground

[plucky summit]

Give me a while, the computer is having a stroke -_-

[merry current]

without changing the model, 71 will never be balanced frontally because of the autobounce lfp

[plucky summit]

blitzhangar rounds up, but alright 🤷‍♂️

[merry current]

? its 70 deg

[plucky summit]

Yes but blitzhangar rounds up from 69.5 to 70. For even a little more angling total, if the vertical angle doesn't change, you have to angle horizontally a decent bit more than one would expect

Also wotinspector account for distance perspective in some way, as opposed to blitzhangar

[nova birch]

Is the type 71 tech line worth the grind?

Or not

[solid gate]

how do you get those pictures

[plucky summit]

I use wot armor inspector

[solid wolf]

guys i need HELP! should i put large aandbags on this tank should i scrifiece the small spup? is tit worth it?

[plucky summit]

Meh

[red sphinx]

Do i need to research the IX to get X or Can i directly Get the X Gun?

[rigid thunder]

as long as you research the tier 8 gun, you can unlock the tier 10 gun

[hot ingot]

u played isu without bl10?

[plucky summit]

Well yeah, it’s the grind

But no, he hasn’t played it

[red sphinx]

Im still using SU-152. I was planning to Go for ISU-152 if i can research t10 gun directly, avoiding t9 gun.

[red sphinx]

If i have to, But grinding t10 gun means, i have to stick to t6 or t8 gun until i unlock t10 gun

[thorny smelt]

BL-10

[tulip knot]

Just get the bl-10. The tier 9 isn’t worth it at all. You do have to get the tier 8 gun first tho

[main tusk]

hi I’m new

[slim latch]

Hi new im dad

[smoky wadi]

just got me a VK 100.01 (P), any thing I should know while using this?

[hollow belfry]

1. buy the 75% crew, provisions, prammo and equipment before playing it
2. the above applies to all tanks

[smoky wadi]

I dont do prammo and Im kinda broke when I bought this tank

[hollow belfry]

Not doing prammo is shooting yourself in the foot at best, but if you're already doing that and are eager to play it without waiting for equipment, I can't stop you🤷‍♂️

[smoky wadi]

yeah won 2 matches already using AP and armor only lmao

wait do I research gun or engine first

[hollow belfry]

Gun all the way lol
Wait until you meet t9s

[smoky wadi]

oh dears

[hollow belfry]

Also, I see what seems to be a 5 years avatar, do you really not have a premium to grind credits?

[smoky wadi]

premium ammo or account?

[hollow belfry]

Premium tank

[smoky wadi]

these are my only premium tanks

idk if blue counts as premium

[hollow belfry]

Then probably play your Panzer IV S

[smoky wadi]

idk mate, it seems like I earn more credits playing on my higher tier tanks, idk might just be me

[hollow belfry]

💀 never using prammo or provisions does consume less credits but it still takes a toll on your tank's performance

[smoky wadi]

eh, Im having fun and getting Ws + credits

[coarse flax]

kinda pain

[hollow belfry]

Against t7s it might be fine for now, but the honeymoon lasts only for about half a dozen of battles
And afterwards you might face t9s that will simply tear apart your stock and unequipped tank

[smoky wadi]

what oh nvm

[stiff terrace]

lol u get more creds when u performe better

[hollow belfry]

^ this

[coarse flax]

buy badger

[smoky wadi]

I aint got no money mate, never used irl money here never

[hollow belfry]

"Buy badger with 1500 gold"💀
And I'm quite unsure it is a good credits maker

[coarse flax]

Well didn't see that he has 1.5k g

[smoky wadi]

I may have 5 years in this game but that dont mean Ive put money in it yet

I dont got no teir 10 yet, I just play on and off when I feel like it

ight gotta battle a bit aye

[coarse flax]

which tank should I tryhard in ranks - 4 k elo

[hollow belfry]

💀 according to blitzhangar, this man's stock VK100 with no equipment nor provisions and 50% crew has almost 16 seconds of reload
About 1150 dpm
Lower than the average t5
And soon he's gonna face t9s
This simple thought puts me in pain

[coarse flax]

😂😂😂

[hollow belfry]

Go grille for the challenge or go home🙃

[smoky wadi]

and pain I must endure, like what I always do

[hollow belfry]

💀

[smoky wadi]

lmao

the pain is immense, and without limit

[hollow belfry]

Unsurprising🤷‍♂️

[smoky wadi]

indeed

also I got the 75% crew don worry

[smoky wadi]

Im so glad I saved up my 5x Exp for teir VIII tanks

otherwise this grind would've taken me long

[hollow belfry]

I’m only 80% worried because of everything else now

[ornate coral]

it kinda is
e6 better tho, getting 100k per game, with booster

[wary mantle]

hi

[hollow belfry]

Badger also seems kinda sleeper to play. I'm personally saving for an E6 because it suits me better

[ornate coral]

Badger is just op
Idk what "sleeper" is in your opinion..

[hollow belfry]

I know it's op but a still rather slow tank where you literally just sit behind a ridge is kind of boring

[ornate coral]

34 topspeed with 28 avg speed is more than enough, but you prefer a medium playstyle?

[hollow belfry]

I'm a mediums player at heart with an ounce of fast heavies, 34 kmph without super speed boost is still low

[ornate coral]

ah ofc lol

[empty helm]

What's special about sau

Look like nothing is good about the sau

[empty helm]

😔

[past fractal]

Decent gun alpha, I guess somewhat troll armor, but thats it

[torn merlin]

Is there a ho-ni in-game as a prem or collector vechile?

[thorny smelt]

Why 15 cm and 17 cm guns sound like farts while you're wearing underwear?

105 mm gun sounds like some sort of sniper rifle

122, 123, and 130 mm guns sound the same

[copper swan]

no

[torn merlin]

sad

[thorny smelt]

I like the sound of 8,8 cm gun TBH.

[solid gate]

why tiger 131 so weak

[empty helm]

As always

[pine violet]

Is Lorraine 40 t a good premium?

[violet timber]

No

[pine violet]

Okay thanks, I just got one from the battle pass container. I'll continue using my progetto

[sleek apex]

It retained its historical stats, the other premiums are mostly better.

It should get the Maybach HL 230 engine like how the irl one uses it. And also a model rework to look like its WoT PC & Console counterparts.

Maybe move it down to Tier V but that may be too far of a stretch.

[smoky wadi]

my VK 100.01 P is fully upgraded now lmao

[lofty gust]

This man plays 2k games using cryos

[buoyant musk]

is the IS-2SH worth it?
And what do you think of it

[gloomy flume]

nope, dont buy is 2sh i mean like its solid tank, but wait for smthing else

[buoyant musk]

k

[wise moth]

IS-2Sh is pretty trash. Rear mounted turret, poor armor and a pretty derpy gun

@buoyant musk I mean “derpy” as in poor gun handling/accuracy. The gun itself only has 400 alpha

[buoyant musk]

I accidentally putted in caps anyways

so sad
Ill wait for something better

[gloomy flume]

I woukd recommend to buy action x

,but if u really wanna waste ur gold and u have op rng buy crates.👓🙆‍♀️

[buoyant musk]

i wasted my RNG on getting an AMX30 B out of a collect em all during loza sherman event

[strange thicket]

"weakspots bad i want my tank invincible in specific positions and i don't want to bother trying to hide my armor or minimize penetrations 🤓 "

[smoky wadi]

anything good about the M41 Bulldog?

[wise moth]

Simple. You don’t expose for so long that the enemy is able to line up a shot on it.

[empty helm]

You guys don't want to be the centurion tanks driver
Because if the enemy hit ammorack (it's in the front right next to the driver's seat) you know what will happen

[solid gate]

It’s alright, I think it’s probably a bit behind other tanks, and just looking at it I know it’ll be quite a hard tank to play, but try it out

[eternal mica]

How are my stats? (my first mastery badge btw)

[thorny smelt]

A buff of the overall armor would be nice. I cannot side-scrape with this tank unlike I can with Chrysler K.

[eternal mica]

.

What the hell this chat ded

[solid gate]

Ask if smasher is balanced, 99.9% drop chance it revives

[rare crane]

What 3 tech tree tr X tanks are the best/favourite in your opinion? 😛

[empty helm]

E-50M
E-100
WZ-113G-FT

[violet timber]

For the best, just get the Type 71

[viral falcon]

Fv4202, AMX 50 B, VK 72 K

[umbral hamlet]

that's a normal ace, nothing special
Gg for being your first btw

[eternal mica]

GG

[empty helm]

Getting a mastery is too damn easy with 122mm gun on su-100

[crimson saddle]

Chimera good?

[umbral hamlet]

overhyped, if u want a meta med go for prog46

[crimson saddle]

What abt raac

[empty helm]

Hulldown meta/10

[umbral hamlet]

same thing, if u want a meta med in t8 get prog
Bot chimera and raac are good but they lack things that prog doesnt

[crimson saddle]

Thx bro

[jade hound]

Anyone has the legendary camo on IS-7? Was it changed?

[umbral hamlet]

it has not changed

[jade hound]

Shame

WG moment

[empty helm]

What is it supposed to mean???

[umbral hamlet]

color contrast change i think, even tho it doesnt seem the came changed much

[solid gate]

However you didn’t take into account the fact that both chimera and cent 5/1 are probably a lot easier to play, so it depends on how good the guy is

[dim shard]

Lol the description of Keiler that’s written on the bundle says Keiler can mean “wild pig” in German.
I can confirm, I feel like a wild pig by playing this hulldown because of how unfair it looks for enemy

[onyx oxide]

what is that pokemon? It is t49A not t49 btw

[dim shard]

The T49A was an American light tank that had guided missiles. It was “given away” (got removed) during an event and was considered OP only if you had a PC because you could right click (lock enemy) and block your gun facing the sky to launch missiles which still hits targets in a good angle (Sheridan Missile’s missiles can’t do this as you can’t lock enemy)

A good funny video of T49A gameplay: https://youtu.be/POTONF2zjQo

[onyx oxide]

yes but where texture ?

[dim shard]

Well it got almost entirely removed in the game so I guess it couldn’t support HD textures and devs has literally no reason to fix it since you shouldn’t even be able to see stats

[tepid geyser]

ok

[lyric island]

you can still see its stats on blitzhangar.com

[umbral hamlet]

even in game if you install the mod which displays all collectors/prems

[shy wyvern]

WG go add E-79 v:

[hot ingot]

a solid tank? lol its complete crap

[ancient iron]

just got the rover... I run repair kit and MPRP for my consumables on all tanks... then either EPB or Adrenaline depending on the ship... but this tank seems like it'd be fine without either .-.

[solid gate]

When they gonna put back to life this one

[tepid stump]

It will awaken, soon.

[empty helm]

Why it look so smol

[solid gate]

Still missing old 3 ammo AMX50B gun.

[solid gate]

Same, I guess 50 120 is the nearest you’ll get now

[ionic adder]

hey guess did the M103 gun get an inadvertent buff? I have never pierced so many tanks in so many places, e.g. the Tiger II for the M103 is paper

[keen garnet]

Replace your fire extinguisher for another repair kit
To answer your question, you likely just researched the top gun

[ionic adder]

I have already died many times because I have burned down

and what is a top gun? I'm just finishing the M103, still only 5k from, and researching the E05

[keen garnet]

Then you're playing it wrong
Burning down means you're exposing your rear sides, which you shouldn't do

Secondly, another repair kit means you don't have to use the multi repair to fix something like a broken track, then be left with nothing to repair your other broken modules or heal a crew member

[keen garnet]

Top gun is the highest/best gun available on the tank

[ionic adder]

it's definitely not, he didn't raise that much before the update, or I came across players who couldn't play at all

[ionic adder]

Therefore, I never repair the tracks themselves or anything, only repair when there are 3 damaged modules / crew members

[keen garnet]

Terrible gameplay
You're intentionally impairing your team and yourself

[hollow belfry]

^

[keen garnet]

Just trust me, take a repair kit instead of the fire extin

[ionic adder]

okay

[solid gate]

That’s basically correct @ionic adder the only reason you’d take a fire extinguisher is if the tank caught fire really often, and maybe with a rear mounted turret cause you’re gonna be peeking out with your rear showing often

[past crane]

cough cough Chinese vehicles

[empty helm]

cough cough Soviet vehicles

[ionic adder]

Poland vehicles:too_much_trolling:

and I still think the M103 got the penetration buff by accident, then I will post some screenshots where you can clearly see that it is raising a lot though.

after 2k battles I finally got it.

[solid gate]

Add 50mm on Vk 15.02 leopard again

[muted raptor]

Oh my god... it's real

[thorny smelt]

That annoying little squirt. I feel claustrophobic with this tank.

[gloomy flume]

man no its not

[plucky summit]

It's purely average to me

[grim hinge]

good

[sleek apex]

Did a "research" (internet browsing) about the new Hellcat legendary camo's history. Hope you guys like it.

[dim shard]

Classic heavy gameplay it’s pure pleasure to play with it under average to best situations

[thorny smelt]

T32 got its AP pen buffed from previous updates so it's now good

[dim shard]

Lmao in the photography it’s written in French: « East’s Thunderbolt » but Éclair can also be translated into Blitz

[sleek apex]

Didn't know that lol (i don't understand french), nice catch

[cunning smelt]

New italian high tier TDs looked like a fat kpfpz70..

[thorny smelt]

And better AP pen than their WoT PC version (250 mm vs 275 mm)

[ionic adder]

Worth buying?

[ionic adder]

Because in theory, I could buy tomorrow

[dim shard]

Uhhh… well it’s a camo, it won’t give you any advantage but if you REALLY like T110E5 (that you’ll play it often) and you like that camo well… go on?

I personally wouldn’t recommend though because it seems you don’t have that much ressources, gold included.

[thorny smelt]

If you have a stash of camo you bought either from camo crate or battle pass then no

[ionic adder]

I will have enough gold tomorrow, and as I recently bought a tier 5 collector's tank, which I sold for over 2.3k gold, then I opened the boxes for 3k and dppstalem only the worst things, I have already fired xD

[dim shard]

Yes I know you have enough since you probably wouldn’t have asked if not. What I mean is that it’s just visual change so there are things more important that can be bought with a bit more gold

[ionic adder]

actually you are right. Is it better to buy crates "coll'em all" or collect them for tanks?

And the T110E5 is my first tier X tank, the second will be the FV4202, the third will be the light AMX, and then I hope the Italian TDs will be available in the game.

[dim shard]

Light AMX? You mean Bat-Chat 25t?
I loved AMX 13 75 (tier VII) and AMX 13 90 (tier VIII) but the tier IX and X are hard to play. These tanks become huge, their gun doesn’t improve and aren’t particularly faster.

About the crates, no. I don’t recommend Collect’em all. Probably better to wait for the tank itself since you aren’t sure about anything concerning the crates, yet alone if you manage to get a tank out of them

[sleek apex]

You have a small chance of getting a tank in the crates, so if you think the T110E5 rebel camo looks good then go for it.

[ionic adder]

From the crates (coll'em all) I have: T28 thc, VK 45.03, Centurion Mk. 7/1, T95E2
I bought: AT 15A

I dropped the yeti from the chests: M41D (sold) and LK-432 (18 creates)

[ionic adder]

And which boxes do you recommend?

[junior rover]

cool

[ionic adder]

Too weak statistics on light and medium

[ionic adder]

My Clan Commander has a total of over 100 Premium and Collectible tanks

[sleek apex]

Lucky for you to get tanks from it then, although it wouldnt be the same everytime. Imo you are better off saving up the golds and buying a tank you want directly.

[ionic adder]

And here I am lucky, because I only want proegotto and I do not think that this is in the store, I can buy boxes XD

[sleek apex]

It would come later on for something around 5.5k, i discourage buying crates since you are more likely to get nothing good at it.
Buy crates at your own risk, dont complain if you dont get what you expect

[junior rover]

yeah

[ionic adder]

I will collect 5.5k gold and leave it waiting for a pregotto, and so I will buy boxes. ev. i will collect 8.5-9k gold xD

Actually, I already got some good bonuses, only some good heavy tank is missing, but then I will buy the IS-5

[lofty gust]

Super conquer lockbox worth buying

[dreamy osprey]

its a lockbox...

what do you think

[ionic adder]

how much is it?

[lofty gust]

The 1key is worth 1k gold

[ionic adder]

Where will I get both the key and the lockbox?

[deep shore]

Bruh save gold

[thorny smelt]

Save gold to get the tank itself

[ionic adder]

now i see it's in the game. xD

[lofty gust]

T49 or Pershing which tank is better

[night citrus]

T49

[fast compass]

T49 is definitely more fun to play

[empty helm]

T49 is pretty hard to play with beginners when the accuracy is poo and the penetration also poo

[night citrus]

but pershing is also terrible in terms of armor and gun

[empty helm]

At least you have a big mantlet

[night citrus]

big mantlet thats paper

[empty helm]

#vehicles-discussion message

[viral falcon]

It has the best DPM among tier 8 meds, and it's good hulldown. Much better tank than the T49.

[shy hound]

T49 way more fun

[empty helm]

When will WG let us see Yoh modules

I want to explode yoh tanks ammoracks

[thorny smelt]

Armor Inspector:

[empty helm]

where?

[thorny smelt]

Why I see a ghost of Yoh?

[empty helm]

Idk

[sleek apex]

You would probably have to rely to interior diagrams of the tank outside the game, same on other tanks like Kpz 70

[empty helm]

Also how do you place the autoloader in the turret

[fast compass]

They are concept vehicles for reason. Some don't make sense

[wanton marlin]

Mitsu 108 is useless. Pls remove it and have the line to chi nu to the tier 6

[viral falcon]

You won't find any, they never existed.
But going off of common sense, since they are autoloaders, the shell carousel must be at the back of the turret. The secondary ammo storage would be under the turret ring, but the M6 YOH doesn't seem to have an open connection trough the hull and turret. So in reality it couldn't really carry more than 6-8 shells if you wanted to make the crew fit as well in the back of the turret, since it's the only place they could get in.

Edit: After having looked at the model again, the crew would probably be of 3 person. 1 driver and 2 in the back of the turret with no connection to the hull. The ammo storage would probably be a folded magazine in the middle section of the turret with a rather short, side feeding cannon breech.

No wonder the tank hasn't left the concept stage. And the tier IX Yoh is utter bull.

[sleek apex]

They did exist as concept tanks by the HL Yoh Company, but are almost completely classified (excluding some like the ones shown on Chieftain's article about the Yoh tank concepts) currently so yeah almost the same.

And yes i agree on second paragraph, we would have to rely with critical thinking to guess the ammorack locations

[viral falcon]

It's a strong support heavy tank but can be really hard to play well. I'd recommend something else for first tier 9 and come back for the conq when you are more experienced

[merry current]

it's a very good tank maxed, but when not maxed it's easily one of the worst t9s
if u dont have fxp I would recommend u don't

[limber berry]

Bro stock Mauscjen is the BIGGEST pain 💀💀

[empty helm]

Check wotb joe video about stock mauschen

[limber berry]

Save free exp

[empty helm]

You should have grind e-100 in the beginning

[limber berry]

Jagd has good dmp

[violet timber]

Why would you go Ferdi?

Should’ve gone JP 2

Ferdi is rather bad tbh

[viral falcon]

It's much more viable than the JP II in new players' hands. You make one mistake in the JP II and you're basically 2 shot through the tall paper hull, especially in tier 9, while the Ferdinand has better gun arc, more HP, thus more forgviving.

[balmy compass]

He is a new player, he wouldn’t have known

[violet timber]

No, no it’s not

[viral falcon]

Yes it is.

[violet timber]

JP 2 has a better gun, better mobility, and better effective armor

[olive sparrow]

No armor best armor

[viral falcon]

It has a bit more dpm, which new players won't be able to utilise fully. And it's hard to find cover that hides your paper hull that catches fire every shot while still being able to shoot.

I agree that the JP II is more versatile in an experienced player's hands, but otherwise, not.

[violet timber]

280 more dpm, better aim time, it’s easy to just hide the hull, and the mobility is much better, allowing them to get into position faster and relocate better.

The ferdi’s armor is so flat that it’s pretty weak to a lot of rounds, making it less forgiving than one would think

[viral falcon]

Don't forget we are talking about new players. They won't find cover that hides the entirety of the hull (which is sometimes actually pretty hard, since the hull is massive and tall). And will charge the enemy the moment they see them, not consider relocating.

[violet timber]

If all the newer player has to do is think about hiding the hull, they can easily do that. Where as in the Ferdi, or have to hide until you are ready to shoot, otherwise you’ll just be penetrated

[viral falcon]

Jp can be prammo-ed as well rather easily. And don't forget clippers will kill you instantly if a heavy mistake is made, while the ferdi's HP pool allows you to survive.

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t call this rather easy. And while Jp 2 needs to be prammo’d, Ferdi can be penetrated by standard rounds.

[viral falcon]

Extremely situational still. Good luck finding spots that hide one of the tallest hulls in the game as a new player.

[violet timber]

There’s quite a few hills that you can sit on

[viral falcon]

As long as you don't get spotted, then you are shredded

[kindred wren]

You can shoot through the gun

[violet timber]

Not really. As Long as your hull is hidden, which isn’t that hard, you’ll be fine

[viral falcon]

You can't traditionally hulldown since you have 6,5 gundep. You must find hard cover on relatively flat ground

[violet timber]

Most people don’t know that

@viral falcon 6 degrees is enough to hulldown with, as the IS-7 and Type 71 have proven

And even still, the ferdi’s armor is worse as it can be penetrated with standard rounds, even when hull down

[kindred wren]

IS-7 and Type 71 can hulldown with 6 degrees because they have strong upper plates

[viral falcon]

@violet timber
I know, we are talking about new players, not experienced players. I myself also done the line through the JP II and have over 2000 avg damage in it, one of the highest tier 8. Also done the Ferdinand, and while it has a lower skill ceiling, it's definitely much forgviving to play.

[merry current]

if ur hull down u don't show ur ufp 😩

[violet timber]

I know which one is rather hulldown in

[kindred wren]

It doesn‘t take much for the enemy to see it. The upper frontal plate should always be considered when looking at hulldown capabilities

[viral falcon]

Yes.

[violet timber]

Even in that case, the Ferdi fails as well

[viral falcon]

You can do corner peaking much better though. Ferdinand was never meant to hulldown

[kindred wren]

The only situation where you can ensure that they won‘t see your upper plate is at medium to long range and when the hill suits your tank well. Depending on the tank, that can be very situational. Especially if your gun is low on the turret/ superstructure

[viral falcon]

Exactly

[violet timber]

I wouldn’t say it’s much better

[kindred wren]

Ferdi has gun angles and accuracy, which is really what puts it ahead of the JPanther II in performance statistics

[wanton marlin]

can’t you just shoot straight through the front of the gun/mantlet of the JP2 with a 122+ and it will pen?

[viral falcon]

Yes, I just engine break the JP and take half of it's hp in one shot and back away if it tries to corner peak me.

[kindred wren]

Anything with enough pen, actually

[wanton marlin]

Thanks

[violet timber]

The JP2 is more accurate

[viral falcon]

Worse soft stats if I recall correcrly

[violet timber]

Nope, same on hull, better on “turret”

[kindred wren]

No it’s not because it‘s faster

[violet timber]

It has better aim time

[kindred wren]

That doesn‘t help when you try to snap

[violet timber]

You aren’t snapping all of the time

[kindred wren]

Plus being fast to aim doesn‘t help much if you have larger bloom to begin with

[viral falcon]

Much worse gun arcs which make the bloom fall apart when you track a target

[kindred wren]

If you don‘t snap you have enough time to aim anyways

Plus with the better gun angles you are faster on target with the Ferdinand too

[wanton marlin]

Wg needs to fix the jp2 mantlet

[plucky summit]

JPanther II better, mobility and strong superstructure allow it to take and hold positions more effectively

[wise moth]

This sorta implies that you’re somehow going to find a place to hulldown in a JP2. It’s a challenge finding a spot to accommodate hiding such a large hull with a rear mounted gun and no turret, let alone finding a spot to use the gun depression

[next dirge]

Cool

[thick trout]

I mean between the two if you want to hulldown in either of them then the Jag offers a chance of bouncing. If you don't want to hulldown the Jags better gun and mobility make it better. The depression would be useful if the ferd had armour, but it can only use it to find better shots when not being focused and the Jags mobility can do that too.

[plucky summit]

Ferdinand is only a concern if you’re a low pen tier 8 or a tier 7 who didn’t bring prammo, or didn’t bother to aim at the lower plate. There’s no way Ferd can leverage its armor against the enemy

[dim shard]

Who thought putting Tiger P's armor to a tier corrupted by premiums would be a bad idea? It's as stupid as putting a tiger II into tier IX and we remove it's turret! That would be crazy

[hollow belfry]

It's not even about premiums. The game changes over the years, pen and armor buffs among others happen, and the Ferd's armor did not change one bit.
The average heavy, no matter if tech tree or premium, can just butter it anyway. Same goes for mediums and lights, just that some have to load prammo for it.

[hollow notch]

The armor did indeed change once.
The shoulders were buffed.

[hollow belfry]

💀 oh right that was a thing
Next up I suggest another very relevant change to address its issues by buffing these 25mm thick areas behind the drive wheels that can be HEd frontally by guns with ~65mm of pen or more /s

[solid gate]

Hey guys,i bought is 1 but i don't know the true position for armor.So can someone say me what should i do,please?

[raven swift]

Will german or chinese light tech trees ever get added?

[boreal spruce]

the Russian tier 7 heavy tank? the 'IS"

https://armor.wotinspector.com/?targetVehicleId=513,1282,1027,3844&mode=xray.armor&platform=blitz
@solid gate I find whenever i get a new tank i go onto WotInspector and look at the armour profile.😎
I also use this site to then determine the right angles to angle the tank effectively, and to see what are the tank's major weakspots🤔

[lofty gust]

Is 3 good or bad

[rigid thunder]

pretty good

[lyric oriole]

Kinda bad

Meh armor, good gun, good turret, but overall meh

[thorny smelt]

In short: it's a meh tank

[neon compass]

What should I grind is7 or e100?

[thorny smelt]

Both

[lofty gust]

Name the Kv2

[past fractal]

KV-2

[lofty gust]

Remodel Kv2

[scarlet kernel]

Blitzstars tank compare stats for the controcarro 3 minotauro

Front armor nerfed

Ground level effective thickness,
Based on PC model
Turret : around 40° angle of impact equals around 313mm
Hull : around 35° equals to around 330mm

For those wondering, you can calculate efffective thickness with

Armor thickness : cos(degree of impact)

Also that first shell reload of 18 sec is something

[plucky summit]

(Nominal Armor)/cos(Angle Of Impact - Shell Normalization)

[empty helm]

Maths 😩

[thorny smelt]

I hate trigonometry

[plucky summit]

It's so easy though =(

[viral falcon]

Sometimes I wonder if the average Blitz player has a better understanding of anything than a fourth grader

[deep shore]

Is progetto 46 good?

[solid gate]

I was wondering whether going tothe E50M or t62a to extend on the medium line more but I have no knowledge of mediums and lights and just in heavies currently

[brave juniper]

Even if you were to ask someone at university level they would still likely answer saying they hate math or forgot x part of it

[solid gate]

No its like totally bad i have 400 battles in it and 60% its so bad

[viral falcon]

Not the most basic trigonometric equation tho. You learn that in what, fifth grade?

[solid gate]

Yo anyone got screenshots of the Minotuar armor my friend wants to see it

[brave juniper]

That defers from country to country

But it's somewhat basic i guess so yeah 🤷‍♂️

[solid gate]

Yea in america we learn how to do all sorts of drills...

[eternal mica]

Blitz version 2

BV-2

[solid gate]

New battle pass tank ig

[eternal mica]

Wait wot b works for Microsoft??

[deep shore]

It's on Microsoft Store too.

[eternal mica]

Oh

[hollow notch]

Broken gun, lots of mobility and flexibility, but very poorly armored.

It's a tank that allows a good player to abuse it.

You have to decide if you are good enough to use it for yourself.

[solid gate]

Car

[lofty gust]

There's legendary camo for hellcat?

[eternal canopy]

yes indeed

[sleek apex]

Yes, Got released few hours after the update from a pop-up offer

[lofty gust]

Its limited time offer?

Why master badge 1 🙃

[viral falcon]

Because it's nothing extra?

[solid gate]

I dont think you realise how many people play the tiger and how many do good ngl… @lofty gust

[honest sable]

Hi

[solid fractal]

Not really

[sleek apex]

What if wg makes an initial production tiger as tier V event tank, preferably something like Tiger 712 or an Eastern front Initial prod. tiger.
Why tier V? Cause by 1942-1943 they were facing tanks which some can be seen on tier IV or V like m3 lee, m5a1, m4, t34, su85, etc.
and it would make the tank perform better against other tanks on its tier unlike two of its counterparts on tier VI (KMM & 131).

Stats are the same as tiger 131 but has tier V ht hp, 5mm less pen, and the turret has the drum cupola.

[deep shore]

K thanks

[night citrus]

KV-2 (R) from pc i assume

[sleek apex]

You arent using it properly

[past fractal]

I (think) I can tell you haven’t played the T32 before its buffs

[hollow moth]

Git gud

[hollow notch]

Uhhh
Use gun depression
Look over ridge
Point armored side of turret at reds
Shoot until everything is dead

If you are stock, unstock it.

The t32 sucks in 0 aspects, but the durability it has is completely broken

[hollow moth]

No, no and no. It doesn't make sense.

Tiger 1 only performed well as a heavy tank because the most common allied and soviet vehicles weren't meant to tank combat, but Tiger 1 was never a super incredible tank, that's a myth of the german tanks. Tiger 1, can be a tier 6 at it's lowest tier, as it already is: Tiger 131, Kuro, Icebreaker

[sleek apex]

By stats its not meant to be completely invincible, the Tiger 131 armor outside gun mantlet struggles to hold up against tier V heavies even when you are angling the tank, I am pointing that this tiger counterpart would fare better against the other tanks on tier V compared to it on tier VI

[sleek apex]

And i was not pointing it to be "better" in terms of paper stats than those tanks i mentioned, i was using it as a reference on what tanks the Initial Tigers faced historically. @hollow moth

[sleek apex]

If it would be a thing it wouldnt be the most armored heavy on tier V since theres the T1 Heavy & BDR G1, the gun would be the main asset of the tank but are not a completely new thing on tier V since the Pz. Sfl. IVC has a similar gun.

[trail orchid]

anyone know when we will be getting hit with the crates for the astor rex tank i have been seeing today

[sleek apex]

@trail orchid Thats still on testing afaik, it might be released somewhere close on the italian td line release day but i cant be sure

[stiff terrace]

super conqueror or 60 tp

[lyric island]

s conq

[stiff terrace]

it bounces so much

[lyric island]

more gun depression and less dispersion

[stiff terrace]

alpha thou

[lyric island]

still miss every shot

it has stormtrooper dispersion

[tulip knot]

Wait this is comparing a tech tree and a premium? Is this to buy or just in general?

[honest sable]

I got T29

[balmy compass]

nvm wrong message

[ancient iron]

Blitzhangar says at t8 the Hafen is bad at sniping and ok at hit and run, but at t7 its ok at sniping and bad at hit and run.... I've never seen that before .-.

[tepid geyser]

it's just not a good tank

[ancient iron]

Edelweiss has that but with h&r and 1v1 brawl...
and the heavies are all not good at everything...
(blitzhangar says hafen is good for peek-a-boo)

[empty helm]

Just get nameless
It look better and it's stronger

[balmy compass]

I think those vaikry whatever tanks are all decent

most of them look weird and the Nameless looks really similar to the VK 45.03

[empty helm]

Mini vk 45 03

[balmy compass]

when I first saw that tank I thought it was a april fools tank because of the name and goofy colors 😂

[empty helm]

It also the only thing that doesn't look weird

[ancient iron]

tbh I got the full set of 5.... and the Hafen looks like a stylized M4 lol

OOF that dpm on the Lupus... I've done all I can to max it out aside from double provisions and am managing 1815 DPM

[late thistle]

rammer or cali on Skorpion G?

[ancient iron]

I'd go Rammer... it's got enough pen imo....

[late thistle]

yea thats what i went for

[wise moth]

Rammer. Always rammer

[trail orchid]

got enough certificates for another super conquerer and its only offering 3 million credits for it ,so i am gonna sell the one i have for 7500 gold and use the new one

[ancient iron]

lupus got hella low ammo too .-. (although I did really well in it, even after forgetting to ad prammo to it)

[viral falcon]

Always rammer on everything save for a few exceptions and autoloaders.

[wanton marlin]

rammer > cali shells

[viral falcon]

Exactly, that's what I'm saying

[stiff terrace]

no it doesnt, just learn how to use it

[lyric island]

bruh this was like 3 hours ago

[stiff terrace]

lol i dont have notifications

[tulip knot]

Except ho-ri. Always run your ho-ri with cali

[viral falcon]

Lol, definitely no. Why would you? You already have enough pen to butter through everything even with standard. You better boost your dpm.

[tulip knot]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-joke-gif-7319521

[hollow moth]

Run CS on ISU-152, I heard that it's the new meta

[merry current]

rammer is usually better for reloads <13s, cali for longer

[slate coyote]

Calli is generally better on almost every tank bar some with huge pen values like the ho ri
So what if you shoot a bit quicker if you don’t pen your shots it makes no difference it’s actually a detriment to your team as you’re not outputting enough damage
and that 5% increase makes a huge difference on high tier gold shells especially when combined with the effects of perks

[hollow moth]

Worthless argument. If you have what is enough to be considered as "huge penetration" then you already can butter through the most solid tanks on your tier.
Take ISU-152 as example, you barely don't need to carry any prammo because 286mm of penetration + 5 degrees of normalization angle, which is literally a tier X TD penetration value on a tier VIII tank. There's absolutely no tank on tier VIII that can hold this, aside from extreme angles and a few turrets, you're just straight up wasting 0.92 second of reload.

[slate coyote]

I’ve got 66% wr mate ik what I’m on about you don’t pen you don’t win

[slate coyote]

And I said for extreme pen values such as the ho ri that can also include isu

[hollow moth]

I've seen much 66%wr telling things and thinking a stupid WR is an actual argument. "You don't pen, you don't win", but if you're struggling to penetrate using tanks with huge penetration, you're straight up blind.

[slate coyote]

I don’t think you’re understanding what im saying

You should be penning with huge pen guns without the need for cali I agree
Im talking about for lights meds and heavies that don’t have that. It makes it easier to pen so you can be less mechanically skilled and still do very high damage and get the kills to win games

[feral portal]

yall got a pantera setup

[slate coyote]

It is true tho if you don’t pen you don’t win so making it easier to pen with the vast majority of guns will give you higher damage

[feral portal]

woops looks like i barged into a heated argument lol

[slate coyote]

Not particularly I just don’t think this guy understands what I said

[hollow moth]

"Calli is generally better on almost every tank bar some with huge pen values like the ho ri"

Unless 'bar' suddenly became "unless"...

[slate coyote]

It does it means unless well to me anyway

[hollow moth]

Wait, never heard about it on my 4 years of English classes

[feral portal]

bar means except, or unless

[slate coyote]

Thank you

[hollow moth]

Damm, that's impressive

[feral portal]

back to pantera equipment? lol

[hollow moth]

I'm kinda speechless now, not on the mood

[tulip knot]

Not accusatory, but my statement to run cs on hori was a joke, also bar is an acceptable was of restating “unless” or “except ___•

[hollow moth]

1- Yeah, I know
2- Yeah, didn't know

[quiet coyote]

He who plays T95 has mastered the way of the Great Turtle Shen Wu. Unlike those who play Type 71 whom have lost favor of the maidens.

[stark stag]

is the Keiler worth picking up if I already have the Löwe?

[plucky summit]

It’s somewhat better, but Löwe earns them credits

[tulip knot]

👍

[thick trout]

It removes the need for some skill while just lowering the potential you can reach. Average and bad players need all the potential they can get and the small difference in surfaces you can pen is irrelevant. Good players which may be able to use the small difference in pen don't need the difference because they can work around it just fine, and so the larger potential is better for them too. CS is barely useful on any single shot tank at all.

[slate coyote]

May be just me and the people in my clan but you can ask pretty much any good player and they’ll say that if you aren’t either using a huge gun or a quick light then cali is better. Purely because of the huge huge difference it makes to gold shells especially at higher tiers. I mean it adds like 30 extra mm with some guns.
Makes penning easier hence damage easier hence gets crucial kills and wins more games rather than bouncing a shot to some garbage war gaming rng

[thick trout]

Makes penning slightly easier, but takes away your performance at the cost of that. If you need the extra helping hand more than the performance boost then you are a player at a very strange place. There are very few plates in the game where CS actually makes the difference between penning and bouncing. There are more places in game where reloading faster makes a difference.

At the end of the day, pen is easy to work around. Dpm is a hard cap. For good players this is a cap that restricts things a lot, and working around pen is easy so you'll have to search long and hard to find good players that think CS is better.

[slate coyote]

Well I’m clearly one lmao
The way I see it is would you rather have 3.2k average on a tier 10 with 55% wr or 3k average with 70% wr

I’ll take the 70% thank you lmao

[hollow moth]

Wr is meaningless as argument about what option is better, lmao

[slate coyote]

No it’s not my whole arguement is that it wins you more games so it’s very meaningful

[hollow moth]

It's literally a fallacy. The fact that you win more games doesn't mean you're correct.

[feral portal]

xp>damage>wins

[slate coyote]

My god you’re all 40% is the aim to do damage or to win?

[feral portal]

to win, but you can only affect a minority of game outcomes, so xp and damage is a better indicator of skill

plus, damage is a direct way of winning a game

[slate coyote]

If you’re skilled enough you affect the outcome in the majority of games not just a few. This to me is literally saying im not good at the game so I red line damage farm instead

[lyric copper]

You are not the almost 100k games T95 player

you are but nothing

[slate coyote]

And how many of those are wins?
50% at most
And nobody has that many games in a single tank so that’s bs

[feral portal]

randomly attacks dude making joke

[slate coyote]

Not attacking simply stating that damage farming and winning aren’t directly related

[lyric copper]

somebody genuinely has almost 100k in the T95

[slate coyote]

Jesus that’s a little over the top I mean there are more fun tanks to play rather than the doom turtle 😂😂

[lyric copper]

the sheer will

the most played tank I have is about 600 randoms with 700 ratings

[slate coyote]

I’ve never gotten to 1k before I think my highest is on the LT with 800 games over a few acc

[feral portal]

oh wait misread thought you were talking about the 100k battles thing

[slate coyote]

The bottom part yes lmao

[feral portal]

anyway, damage farming rarely works at the back if your arent a laser td, and xp also takes into account spotting, assisting, etc

[lyric copper]

I’ve seen an account with plus 50k on the VK28

[feral portal]

on the what

[lyric copper]

also, am I the only one who thinks CS vs GR is more down to preference

[slate coyote]

Exactly even if you’re in a high dpm light such as the T100 you’re still a light at the end of the day so spotting and cleaning up enemy lights/meds is your job not just to damage farm

[hollow moth]

Literally the kid who's proud that he's decent at a game and uses his skills as argument in every discussion

[feral portal]

you still cannot affect a majority of games, wr is not an indicator of skill

[lyric copper]

not a majority

[feral portal]

wn8>xp>damage>wr

[hollow moth]

^

[slate coyote]

No wn8 is which takes into account win rate along with spotting damage xp gain etc so yes doing your job in your tank will get you a high wn8 hence skill

[thick trout]

You are saying it wins more games because you get more damage in. I am saying that rammer is more useful at getting damage in, and you don't seem to be coming up with any other points apart from "I'm good trust me"...

[slate coyote]

Win rate is a percentage on the cover it doesn’t show what you do in game so I guess not win rate directly but how you play affects your own win rate

[feral portal]

so you agree wn8>wr

[hollow moth]

Damn, you totally destroyed the guy

[slate coyote]

What no that’s not what I’m saying. Rammer gives more dpm but by such a small amount that to me it’s negligible so I use cali which pens more shots

Wether I said that before or not im not sure

[hollow moth]

It's almost a second of advantage depending of your reload btw

[feral portal]

exactly, cali cant help if you cant get enough shots in or deal enough damage

[slate coyote]

Rammer?

[hollow moth]

Yep

[lyric copper]

ehh I think there’s a difference between Leo 1 with 3.4K and 3.7K dpm

but there’s also a difference between 255 standard and whatever Leo 1 with CS has on standard

[thick trout]

WR is also the least easy of stats to artificially inflate without it being extremely obvious

@slate coyote you shoot more often on your reload than you aim at a plate that's 10mm too strong. You can also work around shooting that plate easily, working around shooting on a reload means sacrificing performance one way or another

[feral portal]

high reload tanks get pretty good boost, low reload gets a bunch of extra dpm

[slate coyote]

If you’re reload is 6.4s with rammer it takes it to 6.0 which is 200 increase roughly to me at least this ain’t worth it I’d rather take the 30mm extra pen to get through turrets or annoying type 71 upper plates

[lyric copper]

still imo it’s a preference thing

[slate coyote]

It basically means that they can’t just sit in the same position and farm because you can pen them they have to move meaning your team can move while you yourself re position

[hollow moth]

If your reload is 16.48, like on E100, you've got 1.12 second of advantage

[slate coyote]

That’s true my example was for the T100 cos I know the values

[feral portal]

above 13 second of reload u get -1 second

[slate coyote]

Fair enough they both have pros and cons both can be used effectively

[feral portal]

besides, in a light you shouldnt be hitting the front of tanks ngl

[slate coyote]

That’s very true but sometimes it’s inavoidable you can’t run from every fight sometimes you have to push through a line because of you rotate back you get cross fired

[hollow moth]

Tbh, on extremely short reloads I kinda see reason to use CS, 0.4 second is what it takes to the game answer my commands due to ping, so rammer doesn't affect me

[lyric copper]

TL;DR, both are viable in their own ways, down to preference really

[thick trout]

Fun fact, with the E50Ms prammo at 300mm HEAT or 330 with CS, you get 2° extra space for penning the types upper plate. 2° sure ain't a lot, but the 200 dpm will back you up on every shot, not just the 2° window on one tank

[slate coyote]

I use it for the increased gold shell pen to kill off 1 shot tanks which is a job of lights

2 degrees is more than you think plus it’s heat pen not apcr so it’s anti side scrapers it’s more helpful that’s you realise

[feral portal]

usually theyre scared and tunnel visioning so i just flank lol

[slate coyote]

My point was sometimes this ain’t an option if you’ve got players behind you

[thick trout]

Lmao 2° impact angle is literally nothing at all, and btw you still need to be above the type either way

[slate coyote]

It’s like would you rather take 400 and kill a guy than 800 and reposition

[slate coyote]

You’re on about a type 71 here which is a sidescrapping god most heavies can’t pen this

[thick trout]

So it's ultra situational? Also you were the one that brought this up but hey

Just saying rammer helps with every shot, not just specific situations

[slate coyote]

And with 330 pen you go through it easily it’s got 174 on the front at an angle so roughly 200 effective armour

[feral portal]

if players are behind you you shouldve ran earlier imma be honest

[slate coyote]

With 330 you’ll be going through it easily if you can’t pen it it’s a skill issue at that point

[slate coyote]

It’s highly situational it’s not as if all games are the same sometimes your team can’t hold a position and they die to quickly before you’ve done what you wanted like cap a base or something. It’s just taking the path with the lowest amount of damage taken by you

[slate coyote]

Rammer helps with dpm which is the situational one cali helps with every shot because it’s got increased pen you’ve literally defeated your own point in a sentence

[feral portal]

wdym lower reload is never situational, being able to dump another shot in can be inportant, as well as being able to react quicker to other things

[slate coyote]

But not penning it makes it useless

[thick trout]

Erm what

Unnecessary pen is useless, and as I've shown you the difference CS makes is tiny

Having a faster reload is not situational in the slightest, you end up shooting on your reload a lot.

[slate coyote]

So you’re saying that 30mm additional is tiny that’s just wrong Lmao

[feral portal]

more often than not theres a weakspot or other targets that can be shot

[slate coyote]

Yes that may be however increasing the size of the weak spots especially with gold rounds makes penning easier hence does damage hence kills tank hence wins game

[thick trout]

2°?? Do I need to repeat that? Oh and that's in the specific situation that you are shooting something right at your pen threshold, which there are very very few armour plates at that thickness at all.

[feral portal]

the weakspot size doesnt increase tho..

[slate coyote]

I’ve got no clue where you’ve gotten that 2 degrees from if you’re facing a 200 mm effective armour with a 330 pen gun and you don’t pen that’s on you

[thick trout]

If you are facing 200mm effective then 300mm of pen will pen, so CS is entirely useless and you waste dpm

🤦‍♀️

[slate coyote]

Look at the IS4 when you’re in a type with rammer and then with cali when you’re using gold without cali most of the plate is still red with gold almost none is red

[slate coyote]

I don’t know the mechanics that war gaming used when actually making the models of the tanks but for whatever reason and we all know this but facing the types front plate with a 240 pen med gun it’s completely red yet with using gold increased to 270 it’s sundenly white

Don’t know why that’s just how it is

[balmy compass]

What

[thick trout]

If you don't know the mechanics of the game then this is not a conversation you want to try act like you are the authority in...

As shown in screenshots, that is blatantly not the case. Idk where you think you are getting this information from, but I guess it's your memory and that's not reliable like all human memory

[slate coyote]

Ahh ok so it’s 317 alright so someone lied to me fair enough it makes sense now

[slate coyote]

Ahh yes I don’t know the game mechanics yet I have the stats to prove I’m not bad at it?
And plus I just found out I’ve been lied to lmao it makes sense now

[feral portal]

"i have the stats" 🤓

couldnt resist

[slate coyote]

Fair enough 😂😂

[thick trout]

You keep going back to your stats as if you have something to try to prove. I'll give you a hint, there ain't nobody here that cares about your stats.

If you don't understand what you are talking about then don't try and pretend you understand it and act like you know better than other people.

[slate coyote]

I know nobody gives a shit I’ve give you my pov if you want to ignore it go ahead but as this guys just corrected me with 317 effective armour good premium pen is required hence cali would be better

[feral portal]

or like yknow just moving

[slate coyote]

I’ve said before sometimes moving isn’t an option especially with the type with the speed equipment it’s fast enough to rotate to not be circled by meds

[thick trout]

In this specific scenario, CS gives you 2° more freedom.

2° is less what the second hand on a clock moves every second.

2° is tiny.

[slate coyote]

Oh my days did you not read what you literally put earlier 300 pen to 330 you can’t pen with 300 but you can with 330 easily that’s just logic

I’m not on about degrees I’ve got no idea where you got that from but it’s plain as day that you need cali in that situation to pen the types front and lets be honest it’s a meta tank you see it everywhere so that’s why I use cali

[thick trout]

I read what you said, you aren't reading what I'm saying.

CS gives you the ability to pen with 2° extra angle on the plate. Anything less, and CS is useless. Anything more and CS is useless.

In a game with uneven terrain against a tank with excellent traverse, 2° is nothing.

Again if you don't understand what you are talking about, stop talking and take the time to understand. It saves you a lot of embarrassment.

[slate coyote]

Can we stop with this degree stuff I’ve got no clue where you got this from it makes no sense at all

[balmy compass]

Just going to point out 330mm won’t work when the Type uses gun depression

[slate coyote]

You clearly don’t if you don’t think that cali is required in most situations especially at high tiers. Yes I get that higher dpm theoretically gives you more damage but without pen dpm is useless

[feral portal]

by which point your team can hit its flanks

[slate coyote]

If you’re going against a type on a hill you hit the hatch as you can’t see the upper plate most of the time and if you’re going for the upper plate at that angle you failed gcse maths

[slate coyote]

Don’t know about you but my teams most of the time die way too quick for any of that it’s usually I do it or nobody does

[thick trout]

It's literally vital to the game, take the time to understand it. If the plate you are shooting at is at the limit of pen with CS, the limit of pen without CS is 2° less than that angle. That's all the difference CS makes in this once specific scenario. If the plate is angled more, neither can pen. If it's angled less, both can pen.

[feral portal]

and by that point the game is decided

[balmy compass]

Would be pretty hard to hit that cupola at that angle, there are only 2 small strips you can hit and another strip nearly twice the size of the visible ones that makes a autobounce angle

[slate coyote]

Yes that’s what that guy has literally just said like if it’s on a hill but if you’re going for the upper plate at that kind of angle then you can’t do Pythagoras theorem and failed gcse maths

[slate coyote]

That’s cos the type is op I never said it was easy to pen in that position

[feral portal]

just wanna point out itd be trig not pythag thm

[slate coyote]

You know what I mean lmao I mean I should know that I did A level but still

[thick trout]

1° of gun elevation, 1° of gun depression. Anything either side is an even playing field so dpm is important. The specific situation where this one tank shooting this one other tank in this one position at this one angle, is not common. The situations where you shoot on your reload are common.

And are you literally coming in here saying you don't understand why angles are important then trying to insult people's maths skills ._.

[balmy compass]

“Just shoot the cheeks ez”

[slate coyote]

No I’m not saying that I didn’t understand what you meant until the guy went on about gun depression but in all seriousness it’s quite obvious if you’re looking up at it especially if the type itself is looking down at you then the effective armour is thicker I mean a ho ri could prolly get through it but not something like the E50M. How often is this tho in comparison to seeing a type in the open. Cos as a med if you see a hull down type and you don’t have to take the fight. You don’t take it you reposition and go after a tank that’s easier for you to deal with let your team whittle the type down or you could reposition into the rear of the type if it’s causing your team some issues and force it to move there’s almost always another way then a head on engagement

[slate coyote]

Or just do that lmao

I’m out but imo cali better

[thick trout]

So if an entire hulldown tank is easy to avoid, shooting plates that are less than 30mm thicker than your pen is also easy to avoid? But then you refuse to boost your dpm in the meantime...?

There's something that doesn't add up in this whole argument for CS being better somewhere... And that's just taking the best case scenarios for CS

[feral portal]

only use for cali besides autos is for high alpha low pen ngl

[sleek apex]

I use cs on the Tiger I so i can have a higher chance of penning a Tiger II with gold on the cheeks and lfp, the .5s better reload are only useable on Tier VI & VII which isnt often as tier VIII matches.

[solid gate]

@thick trout I've no wish to start another big debate but just curious you think rammer better, I always understood extra pen was better, certainly for mediocre players like me who aren't gonna use the extra potential from rammer, I'm interested to hear it makes so little difference to the type, however what about the e 100 turret? Running CS on meds let's you pen it, and you don't always want to reposition every time a heavy comes near you, and the other thing is I had a lot of trouble penning tracks in my t62a until I ran CS, idk if it was because it's a small calibre but it basically refused to pen which was very annoying for perma tracking

[plucky summit]

CS is situational, rammer is also situational, but it lets you farm slightly better

[feral portal]

in any rank almost every enemy tank has weakspots, aim for them and just keep firing, following basic class doctrines, and while not in that predicament faster reload means more damage and being able to retaliate faster. The effect cs has is very situational whereas you can always use more damage. this is just my take tho and i suck so take it with a grain of salt

[plucky summit]

CS doesn’t help low pen tanks enough to penetrate more plates
CS helps average pen tanks that need the extra pen for plates
CS doesn’t help the tank with already sufficient penetration, as they pen the plates anyways

[balmy compass]

“Every tank has weakspots just aim and keep firing”
proceeds to hit this spot
(Sarcasm)

[solid gate]

Yeah that's true about weak spots, and no worries Im bad too, but I'm asking about for mediocre players anyway : D, but I still think even if it's not useful every single battle the times you come up against an e 100 and you need to pen the turret it's just incredibly useful, and again I think the AP pen is also noticeable even though it seems like nothing. @plucky summit yeah we're talking about tier ten meds/lights which have pretty avg pen

[plucky summit]

Now I get that Type 71 is a common annoyance for mediums given the mobility, but don’t run CS to attempt to counter said Type 71

[feral portal]

think of the number and frequency of use cases for rammer vs the same for cs

[plucky summit]

The weakspots will remain the same, practically, hence CS won’t help

[balmy compass]

Should I run CS on the Maus? Before 9.1 I usually did because the pen seemed lackluster and couldn’t penetrate the E 100 turret when the E 100 angled it slightly, I haven’t played the Maus in a while now and idk if I should change it back to rammer again

[plucky summit]

Rammer will maximize your viability in a brawl, and maybe save more HP, too, if you kill the enemy faster with rammer

[solid gate]

Also one more thing @thick trout, I think the game is made so that CS makes a difference, at least in tier ten, so even though the extra 30 HEAT pen may not be much in itself, tier ten is made so that it actually crosses the line between penning and not penning for a lot of things, that's just my opinion based on experience I haven't got any stat's to really back it up

[plucky summit]

CS mimics what HEAT does over AP, just use HEAT

[feral portal]

and next to those thing you cant pen is some juicy juicy weakspots xd

usually its like a light/med vs heavy where cs is helpful, and at that point you either circle or get your teammates on their flank. even still cs doesnt make a big difference in that brawl

[solid gate]

Yeah, that's the point of the argument, and it seems to me that CS comes in handy a lot more, at least for a bad player like me, also yes most tanks have a weak spot but some don't, and some are impossible to hit if you're in a tank with bad accuracy, and I prefer mostly to butter through something easy to hit depending on the situation

[feral portal]

in a tank with bad accuracy you pray to weegee xd

[plucky summit]

You butter through it anyways if you tap 2 😬