tank-balance-discussion

[jaunty prairie]

Can we have an update where we can hide our clan tags to show that we're clanless?

[nimble zodiac]

I never really based the point of it, but I'm jus saying, no real need to remove it. Heck, it can bait shots if put in the right situation

I was never specifically posed a question to answer ;)

I'd LOVE a noob eating 900 anytime

[scarlet fjord]

Maus and 113 got patched armor
and most ppl dont know that they can get HE'd there so they dont protect it in the first place like i said the tank doesnt deserve it you dont want a noob eating 900 because WG decided a view port should be 30 mm thick on a face hug tank clearly visible to everything frontally there's just no reason for it
and btw i thought the sarcasm was obvious but ok lol

[nimble zodiac]

Y'know, it could actually just be a good thing, again, baiting shots. It's tiny, and sometimes hard to nail down in a frantic facehug, which doesn't happen very often with logical IS-7 players

[scarlet fjord]

if someone's shooting at it means they are probably very good meaning they can hit it at point blank range where dispersion is irrelevant and your tank not moving

[nimble zodiac]

Yes, but then again, gun blocking

[scarlet fjord]

literally no point
kinetic rounds will still go through and they wont need gold (nobody protects it from HE)

[onyx mulch]

Tell me where i find a complain about bots , if u tell me i go right there

[winged barn]

Make your own server and do it there

[twin egret]

yeah, buff side armor of FV to match the Super Conqueror's side armor, or have its sides all match 104mm

[nimble zodiac]

They have different hulls though ._.

[karmic portal]

@onyx mulch general blitz discussion for one

[twin egret]

...

[drifting depot]

meh not like weegee takes that into consideration anyway

[unique scaffold]

Should STG get a dpm and pen buff?

[severe rover]

sure [context: in #general-blitz-discussion vivaceraptor asked me to reply to his first message]

[tender nexus]

Tamks

[onyx crow]

Fix some tanks gun armory

[mental pasture]

No. Even if it's a slightly powercreept tank, a "bad" premium is much healthier for the game than a broken one

Premiums can always get buffs, but they can't get nerfed (apparently with some exceptions, or ribble simply forgot Type 59)

[sturdy marten]

Vindicator and Predator buff when?

[wooden walrus]

It's buffed enough. No more buffs.

[drowsy plaza]

@mental pasture The Type got nerfed pre sale - it was only contest winners who had it in +/-2 before sale. It was DPM nerfed prior to sale.

[lusty silo]

guys, how's TVP 50/51 doing? OP or not?

[meager ravine]

Wats the fastest tank in the game (only 1)

[tight condor]

power to weight ratio wise i think it's the LTTB, but top speed wise, the Ru 251

[sturdy marten]

It's pretty good. Not OP. Good in the right hands, not nub friendly.

[hearty steeple]

Yeah honestly feels a very well balanced tank to fight against atleast. Will see when i get my hands on it

[sudden granite]

Not OP at all, it’s very nice and you guys did a great job balancing it! Seriously, thanks for this great update

[frozen vine]

Playble and definitely balanced.

[flat bane]

Ribble responded :0

[sharp saddle]

Pretty balanced tank

[unique scaffold]

new consumables on WT must be stop ---> or change gun dispersion on derp gun !! if do this he cover on WT tractor be new op !! because all use canon 15 cmPak L/38 what is canon on close combat !! why dispersion is no so high (0,34) ?? 1) on sniping use 12,8 cm Kanone L/61 (0, 29) on close combat 15cmPakL/38 (0,34--->why is so low ?? 0,38)

[full token]

Yeah, WG shouldn’t be putting consumables on the entire line just because one or two of them aren’t performing well

[wicked sluice]

Yup,the wt id already ridiculusly broken eith the op camo rating. Tahts gonna hurt t9

[indigo knot]

Well balanced....and kinda fun tank to play
Tho I would say Tier 8 TVP VTU would do well with gun depression buffs like -8 gun depression currently is feels a bad M4A1 Revalorisé

[unique scaffold]

TVPS well balanced now Anni on the other hand

[plucky current]

Lmao wasn t expecting that but anyway I only play t9/10

[exotic fossil]

"The amount of Smashers doesn't affect balance system so much" ...time to fix it

[plucky current]

what i really fear are the new WT consumables that's gonna be messy. I do really think that WG are doing it on purpose like wtff WT is one of the best T9 tank lmao, it doesn t need it thats nonsense thay are just trying to create monstruous tanks, and i love that.

[scarlet fjord]

the Skoda T50 needs some nerfs

[remote oriole]

I actually do think that it’s op, mainly due to the combination of high clip potential and high mobility. Most people I talk to disagree however, and instead claim that it’s only op if two players take it in a platoon, and fairly balanced when on its own.

Op or not, I do think it’ll be a great tank for a medium and that it is a heavily skill-based tank

[tight condor]

just got leo pt a

[scarlet fjord]

i think both tier 9 and 10 TVP's make the BC's a laugh cuz too much top speed and some troll armor with better inter clip by a huge amount while having same alpha damage TVP even having more burst than tanks like T57 heavy
not op but i think maybe overcooked

[drifting depot]

it's fine though the tier 9 has that bit of spaced armor in the side that saves it so much from he shells and It gets really annoying when you forget about it 😐

[lucid laurel]

toaster and Churchill GC for sale when?

[sand wadi]

We want artys lol

[hardy hazel]

lol no

[sudden path]

I think tvp is really balanced. It has really nice clip potential and speed, allowing it to do a lot of damage really fast, but it pays for that with its size, armor, and clip reload time where you can do nothing. It's a great tank to have at tier 10, and a great line overall.

[warm dirge]

Honestly I think that the tier difference between T5 and T6 is too big. I mean heavy tanks in tier 5 have 650 HP and in tier 6 they have 1 200 HP. That... is too big of a difference

[primal kayak]

hi, what if valiant efford would count as a win for that player? would be nice.

[river valley]

Could the hull gun on Churchill 1 be fired as if it was a TD? You could toggle the guns by a button

[dreamy oak]

I believe the tvp is balanced for cw aspect however in randoms it might be slightly overcooked vs the bad teams. Tanks like the BC then feel kinda worse i do believe that the bc then also should get an intraclip reload buff

[unique scaffold]

oh my rat ima avoid tier 7 now, prob gonna free xp through that cancer tier

[cloud yoke]

The SU85B needs a reload time buff. The Alecto almost outperforms it in every way. It should go from min. 10.4s to Min 9.4. That would balance it out. With the over 10s reload its an easy target.

[void tiger]

I hate annihilator they are soo op

[sand field]

Thanks for balancing the game

[unique scaffold]

^

[stiff spindle]

nerf annihilator and smasher 👍

[full token]

It makes money for WG so they don’t want to nerf them

[scarlet fjord]

i agree with you it kinda leaves the BC left in the dust even if BC is faster the clip just makes the BC gun look like a joke to be frank and it has troll armor hull down BC doesnt have gun dep not as versitile etc
and it has 60km/h top speed so its not THAT much slower like other meds

[full token]

Batchat autoloader doesn’t feel so comparable to the TVP for me. The batchat can do all the damage and then reload in a short time, and the TVP can do more damage but has to reload for longer. I’d rather leave the batchat with the short clip reload than give it a bigger clip

Yep \/ \/
I often just use two shots and then instead of trying to reposition for the third shot would rather just reload and then get in position to dump all three shots. With the TVP, if I only get 1 or 2 shots off before the enemy moves, I have to decide whether to get stuck on a long reload or to just hold the remaining shots until I get another opportunity, which is a big issue if I somehow get rushed. I’d rather just have the low clip reload at that time

[winged barn]

And very, very rarely will you be given an opportunity to fully dump a clip. At that point you want a faster reloading clip.

[scarlet fjord]

yes but TVP will do 620 damage in 2 seconds BC will do 620 damage in 2.8 which imo is huge specially for the entire clip or 3 shells really

[full token]

Yeah but if an enemy can get away, you’d only do 2 out of 4 shots from the clip, and you either hold just 2 shots or leave yourself unable to do damage for 20 seconds. With the batchat even if you get just one shot off before an enemy hides, you can either do 2 more shots or take 14 seconds to reload 3. I think they’re useful in different ways, and the TVP can be good in situations that the batchat isn’t so good at, and vice versa

[winged barn]

Uh no. Prog is the top clipper

[scarlet fjord]

@full token i see your point but imo i dont think i have problems finishing the clip too much and in certain situations TVP will shoot 2-3 times and potentially bounce a shell even while BC will fire much less before it needs to reload
but idk i think BC needs a reload buff on the entire clip so that its advantage is a little bigger

[hardy hazel]

This ☝️
Prog is flexible because of the load system

[full token]

Yeah I agree on that. I do get to empty a whole clip often, but it’s not rare to be unable to do all 4 shots. I think they’re good in their own ways, and the batchat isn’t really at any disadvantage imo. The guns feel too different. Sometimes I’d prefer the TVP gun, sometimes I’d rather have the batchat gun

[scarlet fjord]

true for me personally i think TVP is more useful in more scenarios specially in platoon

[leaden flare]

BC has good camo and the advantages of a light tank and Im not sure but I think it has better pen aswell

[twilit crystal]

TVP 50/51 is very well balanced IMO, maybe the full clip reload is a bit too long so a second can be taken off from 22 to 21?

[void tiger]

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[scarlet fjord]

Buff T44 penetration values and DPM
54 lt wt has more DPM same gun much faster has light tank camo and literally a better turret xd

[nimble zodiac]

Better turret? Eh

[scarlet fjord]

T44 gun mantlet is 120 and a huge block 54 lt wt cheeks are 200+ and doesnt have gun mantlet problem (a light tank) : )

[scenic void]

WG plz nerf Smasher's damage.
There's at least one Smasher in T7 battles and the almost always win.

Nerf it plz.

[nimble zodiac]

Average WR of Smasher on top 10k players 45%-55% is 56.64% o-o

Annihilator is more of a problem.

[green marten]

Smasher is really really really really really really really balanced and everyone who complains about them are a bunch of 40% bots that need to get gud. Change my mind.

[hardy hazel]

Excuse me Mr.100% win rate but that tank is unbalanced.

Have a nice day :]

Att: A 51% win rate guy ;]

[nimble zodiac]

I guess we we both are sarcasm deaf

[green marten]

@hardy hazel i was busting your balls. Ik the tank is unbelievably broken. 👌

[hardy hazel]

my bad, you did a good job 👍

[cloud yoke]

Ahahaa 1000 dmg bias gun 15 s reload troll armour low tier what a fair tank, are you special in any way? Oh, my bad i have no sense of humor xD

[drowsy plaza]

Smasher > Annihilator in tier 7/8 games. Annihilator >> Smasher in 6/7 or 7 only. Neither have any knowledge balance.

[winged barn]

They should label the is6 as a tier 7. That would be right in line balance wise with the smasher and anni

[remote oriole]

Excuse me, what?

[vital basalt]

still no nerf just cuz its premium,ohh yea it destroys tier 6 and 7 mm but we cant nerf it why?because its premium

[cloud yoke]

is6 sucks at tier 8, i agree, it should be tier 7, «Balanced anni», i feel like «its a prem» is just an excuse, they have nerfed tooonsss of prems, like the FCM50t needs some armour/gun buff, while the wz120 prem td needs speed ot armour nerf

[sudden granite]

Dont you see? Obviously it’s not played enough to break MM🤡🤡🤡🤡

[toxic nymph]

WG:
also WG:

[remote oriole]

How about we just drop all tanks one tier lower? Let’s have tier 0 to tier nine. Then all tanks got buffed and everyone is happy.

Welcome to the genius hive-mind called “balance-discussion”

[mental pasture]

It's pretty recent, if I do remember well, the Annihilator was the most played tank some time ago (correct me if I'm wrong)

[unique scaffold]

It’s the second most played tank

[cloud yoke]

They should at least nerf its butst dmg

[hardy hazel]

They should never sell it again

[sudden granite]

Idk man maybe nerf it lol
Idc what kind of excuse they come up with it needs to be nerfed, period. Its totally not the 2nd most played tank in the game. It’s totally not breaking MM. And its totally not filling wgs pockets cuz everyone wants one
Edit: forgot my lovely clownstickers 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[vital basalt]

and it does definitely not have a 61.5%wr in 3.2 million battles while other most-played tanks have less than 54% and one of them has 49.5%

[zealous vessel]

you are wrong lol, it still is the most played tank. 🤣

[mental pasture]

As I said, the print of that guy I pretty recent @zealous vessel, this one was taken 1 minute ago

For now, Annihilator is the second most played tank, but I remember it being the most played

[cloud yoke]

This man deletes all his messages lol

[unique scaffold]

It needs its armor and speed nerfed it can’t be Circled by any tank in the game lol and it can double its horsepower with a special consumable for about 8-10 seconds they knew what they were doing when they were making the tank

[vital basalt]

not 8/10 seconds,if you use the right equipments it lasts for 19seconds which is enough to go clip someone and go back to a safe spot or just yolo and break the enemy lines

[hardy hazel]

Dont worry, it only needs 100k battles to be the most played tank, and im running out of win rate 😈

[drifting depot]

man and there's always that one guy "OoOOaowow it t0O rArE tO AfFecT bLalAnce" who is probably that one guy with over 2k games in it already

[lilac robin]

Can someone check what the most tier 7 tank is my money is on jpanther without looking at stats

[mental pasture]

?

[upper knot]

The Annihilator has the most players of any Tier 7 tank. It is the second most played tank in the game and the most played tank is not a tier 7.

The SU-152 has the second most players in tier 7. The JPanther is number 15.

[green marten]

People complain about the annie so much its cringe. The tank isn't even broken. Its super duper pooper scooper balanced at the most. Heck, I would say it's underpowered, powercrept to heck, and needs a buff desperately. The tank has terrible armor, terrible gun, and a terrible traverse speed. The tank is powercrept beyond imaginable and that is unacceptable. WG plz buff.

[drowsy plaza]

Sarcasm fail

[green marten]

@drowsy plaza Who said I was being sarcastic?

[floral heron]

I agree. People just need to GIT GUD. No such thing as an OP tank, only bad players. Annihilator has a very high skill cap tbh.
If you can't dodge my 500 dmg 3 barrel burst of doom, that's 500% an error on your positioning.
It's simple: Don't play in my line of sight! Don't spot me. Don't even drive on the same map.

[green marten]

Finally, somebody who has a brain. People need to stop complaining, stop being trash, and get gud because blaming a tank for you losing is such a lame excuse and you will never improve with that mindset. You need to admit your bad and improve. It's not very hard.

[unreal jackal]

Anni gonna be in this year Halloween crate, mark my words

[low cliff]

This is like being sarcastic about being sarcastic lmao
So good at being sarcastic your sarcasm has sarcasm

[mental pasture]

Also, this year we'll have another battle pass in Halloween. Mark our words.

[nimble zodiac]

The good old days when they buffed VK A's upper plate from 170mm to 200mm, sad

And released a Cruiser II that reloaded a 180 alpha pom pom that reloads in 3 seconds into tier 2 or 3, very balanced

[pulsar palm]

TRUE. Even Defender needs at least 1% of brain. Sadly players in 90% just dont know how to play in thier tanks. I mean camping in HT or LT in 1st line.

[crystal halo]

So you’re saying that anni doesn’t out preform all other tier 7’s?

[floral heron]

Absolutely not. It's the equivalent of a tog-ii in a +2 mm matchup. 3 more barrels to double its dmg output into something acceptable should do.

[final wigeon]

Annie has 61.5% wr

[full token]

So you disagree with the people who put the tank in the game when they acknowledge that the tank they made and put into the game is OP

[floral heron]

(aw cmon it was pure sarcasm)

[full token]

oops my bad then

[scarlet fjord]

sorry mate but if you think IS-6 sucks you need to learn to play the tank not the tank needing to go a tier lower lol

[cloud yoke]

The amour is trash compared to other tanks, its gun is straight down bad, either you get no pen for reload or good pen for long reload, its speed is meh, tbh the IS5 can do better in many situations, it hasa stronger turret and can sidescrape, unlike the is6

[scarlet fjord]

@cloud yoke again... he isn't even angled correctly
just learn to play bro its one of the better russian style tanks in tier 8 the IS-5 is no doubt one of the worst ones its gun is inferior in terms of gun handgling and gun depression imo if not the worst premium it goes 35 but its power to weight is amazing so it gets there fast the armor weakspot changes every half a second if u wiggle and ur good at it and u need gold to pen and still might get troll bounced by a good IS-6 plater and if you think a pike nose tank (not counting 252u) specially IS-5 can sidescrape better than IS-6 you have some issues I'll tell you that

[vital basalt]

i'd say Is6's problem and with many other russian tank is its Roof,you can overmatch it with almost anything and beacuse Is6 is close to ground,its not a hard weakspot to hit

[cloud yoke]

There is something called revese sidescraping? The IS5 has spaced armour on the sides, making it resistant to HEAT and HE. The IS6 is easily penned by most meds, using standard ammo, even if its angeled. The gun on the IS5 is not the best, but with correct equipment its decent. The IS6 is simply powercrept, it used to be top tier, but that was 4 years ago. Honestly there are better tanks, even tech tree. Tbh i would not spend 7.5k gold on the IS6. In the picture btw you are using an IS6 vs an IS6. Even top gun on IS6 dosnt have best pen. I can say last time a IS6 killed me (in any tank) must have been over a year ago. Tanks like the M41, tier 7s can single handedly take it out with manuevers.

[scarlet fjord]

your so ill informed its actually mind blowing most russian 122 mm heavy tank guns have the exact same penetration values
you can revere sidescrape with IS-6 you have around 260 effective thickness
if you do it in an IS-5 you have that angled part at your rear that doesnt allow you to do that if you over angle it the area where ur tracks are is paper to everyone IS-6 has spaced armor + tracks there and way moore side armor so it is better at reverse side scraping literally what you called your IS-5 better at sorry mate but u dont know your stats and ur talking

[unique scaffold]

Also just wanna point out is6 only falters in comparison to heavies even though in practice it’s gonna be aided by atleast 2-3 other heavies anyways even if it’s worse in comparison to the others the IS family are dominant in tier 8 and IS6 can steamroll everything else

[scarlet fjord]

It's not a Celestial or anything but your IS-5 cant sidescrape like an IS-6 thats just nonsense
upper side is 300mm+ and this screenshot is shooting its tracks you can see its very nice at it sorry but IS-5 cant even come close to this hull armor at reverse sidescraping cuz it doesnt have a spaced armor plate near its tracks to protect its weakest spot and IS-5 has much less side armor there less by 20 mm

[full token]

IS6 is more balanced than some other heavies. Doesnt suck for me. Armor isnt even the worst, because the upper plate buff it got made the armor just good enough. Angling when the enemy shoots just makes it easier to bounce. The armor is such that when you angle to strengthen one weakspot it makes another weakspot grey, so if you sit still you wont bounce much, but if you can wiggle youll get more bounces. The sides are not bad either.

[queen stag]

Buff 30b already my god its so powercreeped, atleast buff its turret and its gun handling.
M48 can still hulldown and doesnt get HE'd

[unique scaffold]

You got a prem tank that’s balanced what’s wrong with that also M48 patton has a worse gun

[vital basalt]

or just give it little bit better dpm by like 100

[queen stag]

Or if you guys doesnt want to buff the tank atleast remove the big cupola. Its really frustating how they can hit and even HE it. Turret itsself not even good its just trollish, and the big cupola makes it even harder to hulldown.

[full token]

Dont sit still and you can still bounce a bit hulldown. Its already got mobility so why make it such an invincible tank hulldown

[sharp saddle]

With the acceleration it has, you can bait a lot of people in trying to go for the cupola, make it a difficult target to actually hit.

[vital basalt]

i know those pink/spaced armour parts are not damages the tank and i dont have problem with the armour,problem is that its Dpm is very low,you need to use Calibrated and with that it has 2.8K dpm while other meds gets 3K dpm except clippers

[last shadow]

Why use CS though?
250 is enough
295 is exactly 5 pen less than the leo1 (300)
And Leo 1 is fine
As I'm just looking through the stats
Most t10 meds have either 300 or 290 heat pen, so 30b is still between them

[vital basalt]

295mm Heat is not enough
edit:yes all tier 10 meds have crappy Heat pen,if u dont use CS with meds,you cant pen Is4's upper plate,E100's turret,T62A Turret etc. problem is not that 295mm,problem is that all meds have very low heat pen in tier 10

[last shadow]

Dunno
I never had any pen problems while playing t10 meds (always run rammer on them cuz yeah)

[drowsy plaza]

The problem I find not running CS on tier X meds, is a late game issue - when red has a Maus and IS-4 near full health left - you need to spam HEAT and Pen as they either try to pinch you - or they are sitting in a cap. Also CS allows using APCR/AP on a lot more targets without switching to HEAT all the time. For me, it actually increases my DPM, since I am not usually shooting a lot of HEAT.

[scarlet fjord]

the only med i run rammer on in tier 10 is Leopard 1 because it has so much DPM and mobility i can in most cases compensate for no 330 HEAT
other than that i would 100% recommend CS on tier 10 meds for dealing with heavy tanks and some med turrets without exposing too long to aim
and things like E100 lower plate you can pen with standard ammo with CS and many more examples

[winged barn]

Love this armor
Just a bunch of black holes in the hatch

[low crypt]

Charge your phone at least before it plays The final countdown

[drifting depot]

summary of the lt432 for anything without spammable, good heat shells

[hardy hazel]

How thick is that turret?

[last shadow]

Yes.

[scarlet fjord]

@drifting depot what are you driving?
@tribal moss your probably right the hitpoints match

[tribal moss]

Looks like an LTTB to me.

[vital basalt]

yea its a Lttb with top gun which has 150mm pen

[drowsy plaza]

@scarlet fjord yeah I don’t run CS in the Leo either

[pseudo hedge]

Nerf the stupid Black Prince.

[real bison]

ah yes, a tier 7 LT with 175mm of pen cannot pen well angled armour wow

[remote oriole]

150mm

[unique scaffold]

lt432 is still a light tank, so it should not have that much armor, plus it also has like the best mobility in tier8

[winged barn]

Better armor than tier 7 heavies, god tier mobility, and a solid gun. Belns

[fierce crag]

I don't understand why WG don't nerf smasher at all!!!!just before i understand few player has it but you sell it again!My experience is really ruined even if i play tier 8,are you forcing everyone to play smasher annimator etc. to gain experience,while others sucks?It is no more a rare tank,OK?Don't cheat us players,when i see 2 smashers on enemy side while i see 2 m41 on my side,i really want to quit the game at once,Could you WG please CONSIDER OUR PLAYING EXPERIENCE,CAN YOU?
It is never balanced and you are making this game more and more PAY TO WIN

I can only say,can't you stop selling Much OP tanks to get more money?or another way to restrict number of this tanks to get others a normal experience?otherwise,you want to ruin the environment and make this game a TRASH?

[scarlet fjord]

Foch 155 needs some changes
it bursts 1120 damage over 7 seconds
without having a turret and in fact being a TD
other heavy auto loaders burst 1200 damage over 5/6 seconds with turrets and way more accurate guns and similar penetration values
i think Foch 155 either needs 640 alpha on the AP round or 5 second inter clip but this time we dont give it 960 HE alpha damage if the alpha buff option
oh and make its "stock" gun like the old one for variety but it needs more alpha than 640 to be viable over the auto loader smt like 680-700 since its a 155 mm gun would be very interesting playstyle plus 2700 DPM would balance the alpha i think

[unique scaffold]

@fierce crag 😐 it is as it is.

[safe rapids]

I think Foch 155 needs the stock gun reworked. Give it back it's old alpha so you have a choice, the HE nerf killed the Foch

[scarlet fjord]

now when i fire HE in the Foch 155 i dont really feel like I'm getting a HE boost only get the insane module damage from HE i hope WG realize this sooner

[vital basalt]

same as Conway's Hesh only 70more damage and more module damage for the cost of what 5K credits?

[green marten]

Yea. It makes you wonder: why am i spending this many credits on a pinch more damage? 🤔

[winged barn]

or less damage if the target has a spall liner

[craggy kayak]

Buff the damage of the TD tanks

[mental pasture]

Remember: this is the type of thing that you shouldn't say

[pseudo hedge]

Hilarious dude. Try in #blitz-memes

[scarlet fjord]

Foch 155 needs alpha buff tho 😄

[fierce crag]

and,after the buff,a grile15 will be down by foch155 in 5s again?anyway,if you think he doesn't worthy to fire,simply forget about it,for Chi-Ri type 2,i only get full gold shells without normal ap or he,it's still fun enough to get a 2.6k dmg per battle,anyway,He shouldnt be main Shell used in battle except for Fv215b183,i guess
By the way,i really unhappy to see smasher unnerfed

[scarlet fjord]

i guess u didnt read the whole thing cuz i said without giving it 960 alpha

[full token]

Should return the single shot gun back to the 640/960 alpha, and leave the autoloader with the same alpha. Gives a choice between guns

[scarlet fjord]

but they removed the gun rammer and adrenaline from the old gun and prob wont return it cuz tanks with auto loaders dont get those things even on single shot guns
plus i think auto loader needs inter clip buff to 5 seconds or just alpha buff without making HE do 960

[vital basalt]

wg dont care about stock guns much,u just research the next gun and use it unlike pc which 30% of the stock guns are very competetive against top guns like there is no point using 128mm in E100

[scarlet fjord]

sad but true

[gleaming apex]

TypedkneeApple#8036 has been warned.

[tribal moss]

It's the Gojira figure of it's tier, don't nerf it lmao

[twin egret]

🇬🇧 Nah mate, bri'ish superiority, kinda dumb nerfing the Black Prince innit 🇬🇧

[zealous vessel]

Yessir, its an average british heavy, a tier 8 can smoke it

[twin egret]

^^^Yessir, it has trouble with IS-5's, KV-4's, VK 100's, a lot of heavy tanks

[mental pasture]

British bias only exist in WT, otherwise, it's almost a myth

[remote oriole]

German bias rules in every game

[zealous vessel]

If wargaming balances or nerfs the smasher next update sooo many people would be happy

They should also buff the top hatches of the Emil, and the hull armor. Also just like Droodles said they nerfed the m6 to make the premium better. I can say the same thing about the IS3, they nerfed it's pen to make the prems better.

[unique scaffold]

buff Emil

Yeah no

[twin egret]

Nerf Emil?!? pog

[minor minnow]

I like how they say 55-65% gamers instead of something normal like players

[unreal jackal]

Best mobility in t8 belong to ru251

[winged barn]

Nope

[dark pike]

the power to weight ratio is insane with much how armor it has

[drifting depot]

it's not my image, it's actually from blitzpost but from meeting another lt432 3 days ago in my chimera I can definitely tell you there's not much difference other than the turret having a really small grey spot in both sides of the mantlet like just about all tanks with a similar turret shape and the lower plate quickly shifting from grey to red as he's moving... without even counting how stupidly annoying it was to deal with such a tank in general

also I guess you can overmatch the sides with anything above 120mm in caliber but like c'mon, that doesn't even matter with a light tank and even less with one so fast and generally so heavily armored

[balmy cypress]

IS-3 needs a bit of a buff

[nimble zodiac]

I say speed if anything, might serve it well enough but not too much

[balmy cypress]

Or gun dispersion and turret armour

[balmy cypress]

My avg wr on my 252U is 70% and IS-3 is 55% that’s a whole 15% of games that I could’ve won by being in a tank that is just down right better (yeah the 252U is OP/semi op but IS-6 wr is 60% and that’s a good tank but not op)

[dense walrus]

By that logic Batchat > STB. Using your stats to make a point is meaningless.

[balmy cypress]

General stats then. A little less extreme, but the same point is made. One is underpowered, one is nice/strong, one is OP/semi op, I still say IS-3 is lacking.

[nimble zodiac]

IS-3 has far better turret armor than 252U tho @balmy cypress

[full token]

Those IS3 stats would also include the stock grind + non 100% crew

[balmy cypress]

The front and sides of the IS-3’s turret actually are rated at less armour (the rear has 10mm less but I dunno what kind of strategies are using 110mm rear turret armour to pull off. If you have a tall tank you may be able to hit either of the small cupolas on top, however the IS-3 also has two small cupolas and may be penetrated in the cheeks easier than the 252U, I’m not trying to say the IS-3 should be buffed to 252U levels, but it does perform less competitively than fellow tier 8 heavies which should also count the non-fully trained crews and the not top modules.

All I’d like to see on it is a small upper hull buff, or a dispersion buff, or even a slight top speed buff, just something to let it keep up with the others. Grinding it has been a pain.

With only -5 deg of gun DP on IS-3 you don’t get to go hull down as much, some times sure, but not as much as some other tanks.

[dense walrus]

And this is why one shouldn’t pay any attention to on paper armor stats

@nimble zodiac that’s something with pretty bad pen since the 252u doesn’t hold up well vs anything with good pen. Gun mantlet is only around 260. Turret ring area is about 250.

[nimble zodiac]

Chrysler K with AP with CS, random tank and stuff

@twin egret the big cupolas is the 252U...

@dense walrus I was lazy, that was the first thing I had set up when I started this xD

[twin egret]

those cupolas on the IS-6 re huge compared to the IS-3's

[nimble zodiac]

Aight we'll see a more respectable gun...

The ISU-152 BL-10 with non-CS AP

Ima tell you right now, 252U kinda sus

[twin egret]

:o he used.... Spoilers!!!

[sand field]

lol

[balmy cypress]

Honestly the only 2 things that really bug me are the hull armour and gun dispersion.

If either or both of those got a buff it would be a nice tank, sure it can bounce damage, but not as much as it should. It just doesn’t feel as flexible or as heavy like as it should be, or fast enough to be played effectively as a medium. Sure it can be good in the right hands, but any tank can be, it is still underwhelming over all.

[tacit tiger]

I love the IS-3

[primal yacht]

Tier 5 British Crusader could use something.

[sand field]

wdym "something"

[tribal moss]

Bring back the old CrusaDERP

[teal palm]

It’s getting a top speed buff in 7.8 and for whatever reason, the top gun will become a 2 shot autoloader

[scarlet fjord]

what are you talking about exactly?

[teal palm]

@scarlet fjord go onto blitzhanger and check the 7.8 preview or whatever, it’ll make more sense

[vast bronze]

uk t5 lt

[grizzled sable]

I think, WZ-112-2 need much faster reload. Because penetration of shells isn't great. And DPM sucks

[pseudo hedge]

No its a great tank.

[grizzled sable]

Maybe, but I think DPM of this tank is rly bad, compare to other 8 tier tanks.

[sharp saddle]

The tank is fine as it is. It’s one of the better 122mm heavies at tier 8.
The reload it has, the DPM and the penetration it has is what nearly every other 122mm at its tier and class gets. Or it is very similar at least

[vital basalt]

...... we dont even need to mention its op top speed and backward speed....
edit:i forgot the equipments on Is3 and Is6 thats why theyre better at this comparison

[sharp saddle]

People overlook its 20km/h reverse speed a lot, but in a heavy tank that is very significant and makes the tank feel so much better

[winged barn]

t57 cries

[scarlet fjord]

that tank is ridiculous lol u wanna buff it? XD
i mean why not i dont mind having a broken premium lol

[pure tiger]

wz112-2 is broken lmao, but u need to use calibrated shells

[autumn zodiac]

No you really don't, the Penetration is more than substantial

[scarlet fjord]

its standard ammo is bad but if u run CS u make even Tiger 2s butter ur tank aint about DPM its armor and mobility allow it to shoot constantly anyway so u want every shot to pen since ur accuracy is one of the worst for 122 mm

[autumn zodiac]

It's really not though

[scarlet fjord]

idk about you but i consider 26 out of 34 one of the worst

[sharp saddle]

215mm of standard penetration isn’t bad, and neither is 270mm of HEAT. honestly I’d rather run the rammer than CS. Drop the reload to under 12s.

If I can make tanks like the T32 with its significantly worse pen work, I’m not going to drop rammer for CS on the 112-2

[scarlet fjord]

i would rather wait an extra second than lose broken pen values

[nimble zodiac]

But weakspot shooty damage =(

[winged barn]

Rammer dpm gun is6 all the way.

Make that work, and and you will never complain about pen again.

[runic coyote]

I think the Is6 is now one of the best 122 on t8. The hull can be way better than the Obj's hull. But if you load prammo the Is6's hull is meh. And the Is6's gun is just satisfying.

[leaden flare]

Why do people even complain about pen issues on a heavy
IS-6 is best with the low pen gun and even there i dont need much APCR just because you can just pen sides or shoot weakspots in randoms people tend to not hide them at all

[unique scaffold]

Hello everyone. Do you think its normal for the T-34-85, victory, type 58 and Ox to have a 300 average HE dmg as the caliber is 85, but for the higher calibers like 88 (VK36.01H, VK30.01P, etc...) to only have 270 ?

[scarlet fjord]

not the best just a different playstyle

[sudden path]

Balance
Tier x meds with 310 alpha have 420 he alpha, while most 350 alpha meds have 400 he alpha

[orchid grove]

@leaden flare It's because IS-6 is kinda slow, and not very accurate.

Meds can get away with having lower pen since flanking with them is easier, and they have the accuracy to weakspot snipe in a pinch. And their prammo pen is usually better than 215 APCR.

Flanking and weakspot sniping in an IS-6 is considerably more difficult

[autumn zodiac]

What

Meds are Terrible in tier 7

Keeping them in check?

It's more like keeping any potential they have sealed

[rare sleet]

Hmm yes gotta keep the T20's and the Vk30.02D's and the Chi-ri's in check because clearly they are so over performing the smasher has to kick them down a notch.

[nocturne mauve]

A lot heavies of that tier can keep the smasher in check

[drifting depot]

cough cough the t 34 100 should get t43 levels of hull armor cough too he-able cough

[low cliff]

Define "a lot"

[hardy hazel]

Not a lot but only one and that is the black prince

[karmic portal]

Tiger 1 and t29 also exist fyi. Tiger 1 eats meds alive

[median bronze]

The Smasher should just be put up with tanks of it's strength, not down in a tier where it's super powerful

[nimble zodiac]

Aka no tier 6 matches for it :p

[rare sleet]

Just make it so smasher is always the lowest tier

@scarlet fjord It's because he owns and still plays the smasher, so he obviously biased ofc he doesn't want his precious 78% wr smasher to be nerfed because in his biased opinion its not op

I just checked his stats again, and since he only has owned the smasher for 1 day from the crates, he's already played 90 games in smasher Lmao yeah yeah your opinion really matters @slim loom Ofc a 78% winrate in a tank clearly means its not overpowered

[scarlet fjord]

its literally heavy meta bro
meds and lights are choking in their own tiers you need a smasher to keep them in check?

[long compass]

So umm I found an LT432 in a pub game and I just wanna say that it's kinda funny

[rare sleet]

Bruh Next thing you know wargamings probably gonna make a tier 10 russian pancake with 300mm armor that goes 80kmph with some how 10 degrees gun depression but pancake turret and mad camo

[mental pasture]

And probably it was funny because of 3 possibilities

• It was funny because the LT432 was on his/her team
• It was funny because he/she saw the LT432 in action, but I_Sharky_I didn't fight it
• It was funny because his/her team lost and LT432 did surprisingly well

Only our Sharky friend knows the answer

Ew, I missed all the 3 possibilities

[zealous vessel]

Do you guys think they should buff the progetto? now that the czechs are out it is gotten power crept. yeah it has a long gun with a small turret and a flat hull, which looks cringy.

[long compass]

umm no... The tank it's funny itself

[nimble zodiac]

That flat hull bounces way more than it should ;)

[gleaming apex]

88Kwk43#7589 has been warned.

[vocal shard]

For the reasons I mentioned in #813424161039974430, I think it’s honestly pretty fine. It’s not like the TVP is op or anything, because at t10, there are usually smart enough players to rush its 21 second reload

[river valley]

no, as its main advantage is auto reloading, and also very maneuverable

[drifting depot]

and don't forget about the stupidly annoying armor for anything below 152mm in caliber

[scarlet fjord]

Where Foch 155 buff WG

[last shadow]

Someone really wants his foch buff....

[sinful cedar]

Foch 155 doesnt need a buff

[warm dirge]

155 is a great tank, it does not need a buff. The gun is great, and a smart part from WG nerfing its alpha. Imagine it having 640 alpha you would be a dead man almost immediately.

[void mortar]

640 wasnt the problem. 960 he was

[river valley]

Foch doesnt need buff AMX AC needs armor buff from sides

[runic coyote]

The Stock gun should get the old 152 back

[novel depot]

AMX AC 46 especially, also ARL V39.

[sonic stream]

hi what's up!?

[scarlet fjord]

Foch needs buff
1120 damage over 7 seconds no turret
heavy tanks burst 1200 damage over 5 or 6 seconds with turrets and way more accuracy with similar pen

[rough hill]

why just why cant we buff vindicator's HE to 960 from 900, it's already garbage enough and i dont think having normal HE damage for a 152mm gun would break it if smasher, a turreted heavy tank can have it, so can a turetless td, it already has 2* degrees of gun depression, non-existent side armor, just why can't this be buffed a little, just 60 more HE damage would make it way better, also give it a standard ap or apcr round instead of its heat, you can't even shoot though the tracks of tanks and spaced armor like smasher and other tanks can, i don't see why a fat unarmored slow turretless td has worse firepower than a troll armored turreted heavy tank

[river valley]

you mean 50 B? Foch has more armor

[full token]

This tonk is a premium and has been found to be so rare it’s not worth buffing as it is not affecting the balance system that much

[rough hill]

it still deserves better though, you can't just let a unique vehicle lie in the dust just cause it's rare, it took quite a bit of time for the devs to code the vehicle [probably since its normal], their efforts won't go in vain if they tank gets buffed a tiny bit [ just 60 more HE damage, normal ammo, (optional 4* of gun dep) can make it shine], it won't even take long to buff that tank since its just a few parameters

[hearty steeple]

I mean such rare and unique tanks like smasher and annihilator don't warrant changes because of their rarity, we should treat other such rare tanks the same

[full token]

There is no simple solution to this issue, it seems

[rough hill]

the simplest solution is buffing this slightly in those parameters, it just doesn't make sense that a wider barrel has a lower HE damage than a smaller barrel, it's also worse than the turreted tank in every other parameter except penetration and dpm

[scarlet fjord]

Foch has 1850 hitpoints 50B has 2500
50B has a turret also has slghtly troll armor if u angle the oscillating turret upwards and -10 degrees gun depression
50b is WAY WAY more accurate

[unique scaffold]

Its true. Saying that thoses tanks are rares and won't modify the meta or etc shouldn't be a reason to not balance them among all the others tanks. Thats the problem with low tier collectors tanks for example
Leaving all theses collectors tanks with stupid lack of balance compared to the others is truly sad, and contribute to show to news and future players how this game is not "balanced"

[rough hill]

facts

[zealous vessel]

ok thx guys for feedback.

[leaden flare]

nerf E75 lfp armor its just way too strong
If you angle it slightly it already easily bounces 270mm rounds if angled right it goes beyond 300mm for a weak spot combined that with a 160mm side so you cant really go for the front drive wheel and you have a way to strong T9 weakspot

[frail silo]

Its lower front plate is already weak.
It only really works against tier 8s

[winged barn]

armor equipment
Only thing to worry about are 183s and jag100s

[sudden granite]

Tbh now that the grille got its spall liner the foch can get back its alpha on both shells
Only people who can be punished by it are some meds showing their rear/tanks like e5s showing their rear which then is your own fault.

[minor minnow]

Personally I don’t believe if the autoloader were to be buffed it should get its full 960 back, ir if it does it gets significant nerfs to interlclip/clip reload.

[leaden flare]

Just give it like 780 like t49
Giving grille spall liner is like the stupidest thing WG could've done
I'm not too worried about grille I'm more concerned that WT will be way too OP it already is basically a better grille in most aspects even if it's not on paper

[twin egret]

^^ might as well put WT Pz. at tier 10

[sudden path]

Literally irs accuracy, which is its biggest weakness other than armor, gers reticle calibration
Literally the entire grille line has no real weaknesses now

[full token]

I don’t understand. Is it some coding problem where they’re unable to give one tank in the line the consumables without giving it to all the tanks in that line, or did they really look at the WT and think it was underperforming to that extent its weaknesses needed to be fixed

[safe rapids]

What I don't get is why WG won't buff the tanks, and instead add stupid consumables. Spall Liner basically takes away the point of HE, because players are sad because they sat in front of a big gun. HOWEVER using them means sacrificing other vital consumables and provisions, so kinda still balanced.

[hearty steeple]

Well i am not a developer but I can't exactly see how it would be a coding issue, unless they have like different lines of codes for tanks in a certain range of tiers. Or somehow it causes other issues. Same goes for how they say they couldn't do crew voices before on eu nations even tho modders could

[turbid shard]

Yes! After 1 week of mute im free to speak

[full token]

Maybe all these ‘inabilities’ to do things are some way of them saying that they don’t care enough about it to try?

[gleaming apex]

B._V_.Pl4yer#5767 was muted

[delicate moth]

Why not nerf the HE damage to all the other derp guns in tier VII?

[rare sleet]

because that just makes smasher even stronger because you can't nerf smasher

[scarlet fjord]

instead of buffing heavy tanks even though they are meta how about buffing Foch 155 wargaming?

[vital basalt]

or powercreeped tanks? like pershing,centurion 1,Caervarnon,amx ac48,T20,vk30.02d,T28,t28 prot,vk45a,t44,sta1 wow there is so much powercreeped tanks and in fact almost all of them has a better premium versions of them,interesting

[winged barn]

How about instead of buffing average-good tanks, we nerf the disgustingly overpreforming tanks. Oh wait...

Weegee has a mental block preventing them from doing what is far simpler

[scarlet fjord]

@winged barn i gave up on asking about IS-4 and E5 nerfs cuz WG just dont wanna do it

[vocal shard]

My monke brain can't really understand why the IS-4 feels so good in Blitz but not in PC, where they pretty much have identical armor layouts; is it just because there are far superior T10 tanks on PC?

[toxic nymph]

gold spam

[rare sleet]

Medium tanks also have more penetration in that game compared to blitz, all the tanks have a generally higher alpha than blitz and the maps are much bigger and spotting and stuff are more important

[winged barn]

The gun and turret combo are what make the is4 good in blitz. In pc though, the gun is far less effective on the is4. Mobility is also a necessity to make something good on pc, which the is4 lacks compared to its peers. Also tier 10 on pc is 95% gold spam, as alpha is not lost. Hull armor disappears, and the lacking mobility really shows, when there are tanks like the obj277 that have basically the same armor profile (against gold) but with double the mobility, more alpha, and dpm.

[unique scaffold]

You forgot to mention 705 60Tp super buffed e100 and 4201

[vocal shard]

Ah true, I did think about the gold ammo situation but forgot how much bigger maps are on PC

[twin egret]

the IS-4 also has a 40mm rooftop on PC making it easy to overmatch

[nimble zodiac]

O, PC, good, it's still 52mm

[twin egret]

yeah I just checked rn, thee is that small plate that is 30mm though, so if you have a tall enough tank like an e 50 M you could shoot that and overmatch it

[nimble zodiac]

I mean, it is easy to overmatch, but it doesn't get hit, almost at all

[scarlet fjord]

WG pls buff Foch 155 alpha damage to 640 but this time dont give it 960 HE
its a TD and it has inferior gun to heavy auto loaders they burst 1200 damage over 5 or 6 seconds foch bursts 1120 over 7 and it doesnt have a turret and no accuracy

[delicate moth]

Give that to the single shot gun. The autoloader is fine as is.

[scarlet fjord]

No give both guns alpha buff for variety
one shot gun deserves like 700 alpha to be viable over auto loader imo
and its 2700 DPM will balance it i believe

[twin egret]

Ew

[last shadow]

Can you stop?
According to the statistics (and my 4k games in it)
Foch155 is extremely fine

[scarlet fjord]

can you not?
following your logic T57 heavy and mark 6 are crap according to the statistics lol

[last shadow]

That's for Wargaming to decide
As they buff and nerf based on statistics
As no one of them actually plays the effin game enough to understand the balance

[remote oriole]

The Foch isn’t bad by statistics and by playing experience. It was quite obvious that the Foch was too strong with the old alpha. I think that a buff is both unnecessary and negative to game balance

[last shadow]

I mean, I wouldn't mind my old foch back
But the currency one is definitely more balanced

[signal roost]

bruh I wish they would buff the conquerors turret armour so that it could actually be somewhat competitive

[scarlet fjord]

not that its bad
more like its weird to me how heavy tanks feel more "tank destroyer" than the tank destroyer itself

[unique scaffold]

For the love of god, plz buff the T28 prototype

[tribal moss]

P r a m m o S p a m m o

[vocal shard]

I have since realized and thankfully forgotten from my olden days of playing PC. The only thing I miss from it are the better graphics, but with WG saying that they're going to update the graphics, will be kinda exciting (I doubt it'll ever be as PC good, but still).

I love the tank but absolutely hate that it's limited at 20 km/h, it would be so great if they made it a bit faster like the T28 Defender @unique scaffold

[last shadow]

You obviously lost because of that LT 432 /s

[deft owl]

@vocal shard

1. Gold Spam.

2. Pc maps are bigger, Guns accuracy is more important.

Is4 can land shots in wot blitz in general battle distances easily but not in Wot pc.

Also spotting has bigger role in Wot Pc while in Wot blitz any heavy tank can spot on its own.

[rare sleet]

Also arty

[lost sinew]

Nope, annis plus smasher rushed C and cartons couldn’t hold. Lt was bouncing a lot plus red team was stacked with 60% in broken premiums while we had low 40%s. Typical autoloss where doesn’t matter what you do game is lost before countdown even finishes.

[hot fiber]

hum hum... I don't think light tanks are supposed to have that much armor

[drifting depot]

they're not.

[unique scaffold]

🇺🇲

[scarlet fjord]

on top of that its angled like a pancake

[drifting depot]

and is just as fast as the ru251 keeping in mind the slightly better hp/w ratio, even if the top speed is a little lower

[sudden granite]

Git gud and shoot the hatch whilst it be going 200km/h lmao

[unique scaffold]

Nerf

[dark pike]

thats just rng

[turbid smelt]

bruh, my grille wouldn't even hit that in point blank

what sums of money are you bribing to rng?

[hot fiber]

lmao

[pulsar palm]

Whole AMX 50B line need armor buff. I know they have powerful cannons. But enemy can penetrate us even without aiming and thats not good.

[remote oriole]

Yes, that is good. That is very good. That is excellent indeed.

That’s all I have to say

[sudden granite]

So let me get this straight. You want a heavy with the speed of a medium, to have high burst dpm and just dpm in general, with a great gun, good gun depression and armour? Man thats even worse than the balancing station of WG xdddd

[sudden path]

Go play k91 that's pretty close to what your describing

[pulsar palm]

Ok, I agree. I can't deal with this argument.

[tribal moss]

It's more of a you problem especially if you're in a toon that can't do at least 2k damage combined.

[sudden granite]

Look at enemy team players lol, I think he’s talking about that..

[hardy hazel]

Red team op please nerf

[vital basalt]

yea but still pinned message . _.
Complaining about MM in this channel will result in 7 day Mutes - use #general-blitz-discussion for complaints about MM

[gleaming apex]

[ARDEX]Th4R34LP4nz3rsturmtrupp#5020 has been warned.

[unique scaffold]

@manic sable A. MM is fine. B. This isn't the channel to complain about MM in.

[manic sable]

Xd this is not a Balance channel kk

[scarlet fjord]

I'll give you a tip
if you raise your oscillating turret upwards and wiggle it some players panic and either shoot the hull and you bounce or your turret if u get lucky can bounce with auto bounce zone
doesnt always work but if ur not shooting u got nothing better to do with your turret and u get like maybe a bounce or two in a game with it

[pulsar palm]

I'll check it out, also thanks for a tip!

[hardy hazel]

Dont forget about view range rebalance/ heavy tank view range nerf

[vapid smelt]

The MM is fine and there is nothing wrong about it. And games are totally not decided from the beginning.

[plucky current]

i guess annihilator platoon don t have such big influence over the outcome of a game in 10% of the cases.

[hardy hazel]

The problem there is the annihilator platoon and annihilator as a singular tank in general, that thing is noobproof

[mental pasture]

@vapid smelt first of all, blur the names. It might be consered by naming and shaming on the eyes of a moderator

This question is a bit irrelevant and can't be considered as a valid point, but how many losses and how many victories you've had against an Anni platoon? @plucky current
Honestly, I don't remember ever winning a game against an Annihilator platoon

[hearty steeple]

Platoons themselves can have a big influence on a game let alone double anni or double smashers. But again this is balance discussions meant for tanks not mm, so you are free to discuss mm in #general-blitz-discussion as long as you hide those names

[unique scaffold]

question is who be play ?? nobs ?? pro avoid them or fast go up to 9-X tier ?? WG never do good solution for broken gold tanks as DRACULA -- fix this tier was about 2 years ?? and destroy them after add SMASHER ANNIHILATOR !! i think many PRO and SKILL players avoid to tier 1-5 maybe 1-4 !!

[plucky current]

It was Irony my boy, read the comment again, and i mostly play t9/t10 to avoid those tanks. I rarely play t7 but when i do i rarely lose. Annilhator and smasher should have some rework on what u are able to do w them like no double platoon

[full token]

WG won’t touch their precious premiums unless it’s to buff them

[mental pasture]

My sense of humour is quite bad, sorry @plucky current

Seems a bit more fair for me than teams with absolutely no Annihilators @vital basalt

[plucky current]

It s hard to make good joke in a foreign language lmao

[vital basalt]

i found a way to nerf annhilator without even nerfing it,just give it a special mm like ebrs on the pc if one team has annhi than other team will have it too and if there is annhi plat,there is gonna be at least 1 annhi in other team aswell and with this way its gonna be little bit more balanced,a little bit
edit: @turbid smelt eh wg never gonna nerf its stats cuz its premium 🤡

[full token]

But these tanks are so rare. It will make the Annihilator queue times very long, which means WG won’t allow it 😦 Theres like only 13 owners of the tank in the game

@turbid smelt Thats a nerf and WG is already going to avoid it

[dark pike]

so many people with annihilators it pretty much wont affect queue time lol

[turbid smelt]

just by decreasing traverse on both turret and hull, you still get a strong tier 7 heavy
maybe even remove stupid speed boost thingy

@vital basalt @full token bruh, they could have avoided releasing a heavy that can keep up with any light tank just by traversing turret
@mental pasture they will not nerf it, they will just buff everything else around it after an year or 2, by then we will be moaning about some other tank, like it all have been happening since the start

[vapid smelt]

Too bad I didnt wanted to buy It back then even having money. I could join the stomping train. At least I have the Smasher to compensate

[mental pasture]

WG will never nerf "the good of the golden eggs", Anni is most likely to appears in crates during halloween and anyone would want a very good tank that was a very OP one before

[plucky current]

it s the more played premium/collectible tank in this goddamn game bro what are u talking about. What our buddy said is great, this matchmaking would be a crazy good idea, and just removing the double smasher/annihilator platoon would be great

[full token]

Is a joke. WG thinks it’s rare enough to not bother balancing, though that’s just a dumb excuse they put out instead of just saying that it makes them money so they won’t nerf it

[mental pasture]

^

[dusty sorrel]

Вы ваше играли в этот отстой

[drifting depot]

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[mental pasture]

This server's main language is english, so please, speak in englush for the sake of the ones that don't speak russian

[toxic raptor]

it will be much faster. the ru is actually not that fast. it never gets to the top speed

[runic coyote]

Why is Wargaming still nerfing Techtree tanks? They knew to 100% that the Smasher and Annihilator are gonna be broken. If Wg dont nerf Collectors, why should they nerf Techtrees?

[scarlet fjord]

i gave up attempting to understand them when they started buffing meta tanks and making good tech tree tanks over powered to be honest

[nimble zodiac]

The most they're nerfing recently or in plans is the M6, the T1 Heavy, the Crusader, and Churchill I, and that isn't really bad for the game at all

For some reason T34 has a terrible WR (from what it should relatively be), worse than Caernarvons

[rare sleet]

And why are they not buffing garbage tech tree tanks like Cent 1 or caernarvon just because they added premium vehicle versions that are 10x better

[scarlet fjord]

because they are too busy buffing Waffle tractors Jagtigers 113's and other extremely strong tech tree tanks 😉

[iron grove]

Buff magnus 😮

[nimble zodiac]

Delete it, it is irrelevent, use #replays

[vital basalt]

maybe buff the Pershing a little bit maybe? i mean eagle 7,a tank which is 1 tier lower has better dpm,better aim time,better armour(mantlet) and same mobility cuz of engine boost,so pershing only has better dispersion on movement and better pen but its a whole tier higher.It has 1770dpm with gold and tiger 2 has 1.8K health so you need a whole minute just to kill a same tier heavy tank,oh also it has same penetration as same tier light tanks with 180mm while other meds gets like 203,212,226mm (i know russian tanks have 175mm which is like a joke at tier 8)

[mental pasture]

Eagle 7 is simply an average tier 7, meanwhile it can compete perfectly with the normal pershing...

Incredible

[winged barn]

Smasher is simply a strong tier 8 TD...

[dreamy oar]

Its kind of like what I suggested for the Pershing tanks, the tech tree tank and the super Pershing, that they should move those tanks down to tier 7

[zealous vessel]

you should nerf the emil 1 even more, decrease alpha, and decrease armor near hatches.

[tawdry ingot]

nerf the smasher, its a blue tank for a reason ><, you got no chance if someone plats the op tanks like smasher

[deft owl]

@vital basalt Pershing needs a huge buff not little.

@scarlet fjord lmao. You keep asking buff for Is7 when Half of the Tds are underperforming compared to it. You are the one that asks buff for already good tanks. Stop being a hypocrite.

[signal roost]

could you please buff the conquerors turret so that it behaves more like a proper heavy like the American heavies for example.

[drifting depot]

the super pershing only needs something done to the trash accuracy if you ask me, maybe some acceleration aswell, the gun was so trash I sold it after the third game lmao thank God I got it for free out of a weekly box

and I definitely agree with the conqueror one, the turret can be penned by just about anything, if not with low pen standard ap then for sure with premium ammo

[unique scaffold]

The fact they nerf all the fun tanks in low tiers just to make it easier for the nubs in this game wargaming needs to be paying attention to the good players not the nubs it doesn’t help at all

[rough hill]

vindi HE buff when, i'll just need to keep spamming this suggestion so the devs note how underpowered vindicator is and how it can be fixed

[drifting depot]

this guy

[nimble zodiac]

mmk

[rough hill]

look at the player count my man, ofcourse it's going to have better stats if less players play it, you have issues if you think something with 2* of gun depression and underpowered HE and no normal shells is viable

[latent snow]

Yeah a jpanther or t34ft is waayy better than the vindicator

[orchid grove]

@rough hill Yeah, but look at the winrate chart. Players of all skill levels are overperforming in it, albeit the better you are, the worse it is for you

[nimble zodiac]

At least give a valid excuse to how it's so bad, 60 damage on 152mm HE is definitely not a good reason that it's "underperforming"

Literally just Helsing and T28 HTC beat it by winrate (for T7 TDs), and T28 HTC staggers in other stats against it.

[full token]

Not even the T49 gets 900 at tier 8 against higher HP targets, yet the HE on the T49 is still something people would hate to get hit by.

[nimble zodiac]

Nice little note, this is what an average tier 7 gun would pen a vindi at, I calculated it to be just under 174mm, so I used Black Prince, and CS proved nearly no change, so this appears to be average armor penetration against a Vindi.

[rough hill]

2* of gun depression and no normalized shells are a reason aswell, you can't shoot though tracks or spaced armor cause you have no normal shells but only heat, 2* of gun depression throws off your aim if you're at a slight irregularity, @full token the difference is that t49's a light tank and vindi a td, tds are SUPPOSED to have more firepower or dpm, when a su152 or smasher or kv2 oneshots nashorns, this tank rolls at 870, @nimble zodiac even t6 heavy tanks can penetrate under the gun just cause its about 145mm, the armor's perfectly fine for a td and it doesnt need changes, and the big fat cupola exists for light tanks to pen, also pretty much every tank with a 152mm caliber can HE pen the sides and rear and oneshot it and taller tanks can just hit its roof

[nimble zodiac]

Ok sure we have tanks like Bromwell, but gotta give the 2 GD to WG physics, the gun would phase into the shovel past it. The Vindi can pen a Smasher with standard rounds better than an SU-152, interesting

At least Vindi has a better chance not getting one-shotted frontally by Smasher

[rough hill]

yeah it seems like there's no solution to the gun depression, the smasher can HE pen and oneshot vindicator's sides and rear and oneshot it while the vindicator can't HE pen even a single part of smasher, smasher can go hulldown and make it an nightmare for the vindicator to pen it due to the spaced armor on its turret since heat cannot pen spaced armor, 60 more HE damage and normal shells is all it needs, it certainly isn't fun hitting the tracks of a 610 health annihilator and doing no damage while he throws 630 to you, smasher has no chance of getting oneshotted by vindi, and su152 has a 5% chance of getting 1shot by vindi just cause the HE always almost rolls near 850 and 870 instead of the usual 900, just why can't a tank destroyer oneshot another tank destroyer if a heavy tank can oneshot that tank destroyer?, su 152 also has a way better camo, smaller profile and higher speed and a stronger HE

[full token]

Tech tree tank performing better than a premium? Good let’s keep it that way for now

At this point a collector is just a premium you sell for gold, and it doesnt have the gold color. Balance wise, theyre the same. Both dont get nerfed

Premiums can be nerfed too. WG just doesnt want to nerf them, so theyre the same when it comes to how WG balances them. Or else the Smasher wouldnt be OP for so long when WG agrees its OP

[rough hill]

collector*, wg stated that collectors can get nerfed however, premiums tend not to however collectors get nerfed more than premiums do

[scarlet fjord]

you cant follow the meta to save your own life its underperforming first of all 2ndly TD's are underperforming cuz WG havent buffed the class yet
3rdly i already asked for some TD buffs but you obviously dont take that part into account only what suits you "hypocrite"

[full token]

If you compare to heavies, it’ll be underperforming, but it’s not so weak against other tank classes.

[leaden flare]

TDs are underperforming?
The hell is wrong with you ?
TDs are perfectly fine as they are, I'm aware that ac 48 is one big pile of poop okay give it dpm to make up for the weak sides but other then that all TDs at T8 are fine at T7 TDs are pretty dominant and at t9 they also have inanely strong ones

I have absolutely no clue how you underperform in TDs I'm doing better then in most of my heavys and easily get consistent stats over a few TDs
Maybe don't cry for buffs and start to git gud

SU 101 maybe needs a tiny bit of DPM and it would be fine or instead of DPM give it the Armor profile of the pc version idk still not a bad tank

[hardy hazel]

Compared to heavys

[rough hill]

there are a few duds of tds too, like vin and ac 48 and arl v39, su-the-t8-fast-td-with-low-gun-dep-that-i-forgot-the-name-of etc, those deserve SOME love, other tds in general are pretty decent, tiny buffs are all these tds need, vindicator needs shell normalization and 60 more HE damage [ 900 to 960 ], arl v39 needs either a camo buff, a gun buff or a severe armor buff and the removal of the cupola, etc, just tiny buffs can solve the problems

[sharp saddle]

Arl v39 already did

[hardy hazel]

Im fine with whatever they do to tds as i dont play them, the only thing i ask for is view range rebalance or a heavy tank view range nerf, at tier 10 the average view range is 250m wich goes up to pretty much 300m if you put the right equipment and consumables

[scarlet fjord]

its heavy meta you melon we are talking about the charts stop ranting and read the room

[pseudo hedge]

The SU at tier 8 with low gun depression is more of a medium anyway. It has a great gun and great mobility.

[rough hill]

arl v39 still is a dud bro, it still sucks even after the buff, the buff wasnt enough to make it playable. metal potato go brr

[leaden flare]

@scarlet fjord im not the melon that cant figure out how to play TDs guess what a heavy meta is something really good for TDs since they are rather slow and TDs are made to kill those

At T10 i feel like every 2nd or 3rd match there are 3 TDs each team so id argue its also a TD meta of some kind making every offensive playstyle difficult

TDs are nowhere near underperforming they just arent insanely good unless used right its not the tanks fault that some muppets cant play them right

Yeah sure i do have a problem with people crying to buff tanks that obviously arent bad whatsoever and that if buffed would kill any gameplay even more there are surely tanks that arent as good as others that might deserve a buff like the 113 g ft or grilles camo rating instead of spall liner that completely breaks the lines T9 tank

[scarlet fjord]

yep definitely have some issues with yourself

[upbeat fox]

can someone please tell me why the world of tanks blitz update is not popping up? on microsoft store?

[scarlet fjord]

@leaden flare I'm not going to even bother to begin explaining to a person that thinks "arguably its TD meta" I'm sorry i dont have the patience for you lol

[leaden flare]

i know its hard to explain if you have no arguments except one

• the chart says TDs are worse
• or buff Foch 155 cuz its not 1. in the chart yet

[scarlet fjord]

the charts say mark 6 and T57 heavy are crap
are they crap?
I'm not gonna argue against a person that gives me "you cant play TD's your bad learn to play" for an argument lol

[winged barn]

You can play tds, an e100 just does it better.

[scarlet fjord]

^

[karmic monolith]

Is WG gonna nerf Smasher or Anni? they are a "bit“ OP right? and very annoying if anyone use them to plat

[dark pike]

no lol

[nimble zodiac]

They openly expressed that they won't. Good luck

[barren perch]

Hmmm

[karmic monolith]

i shall cry in the corner i guess then._. (F my luck no box gave me samsher😒)

[wide ruin]

Always wrong balances for the wrong tanks...

[deft owl]

Current tier 10 tds havent got buffed after the unnecessary universal heavy tanks buff. Because of that some the tds like Wz 113 ft, Grille 15 are really lacking and definetely needs buff. Tds like Obj 263 and Jg Pz e100 can use minor buffs as they have pathetic overall damage and sub par w8 too.
E4 can also use some touch.

[safe rapids]

I think a small TD alpha buff for high-tier TD's would work. Grille from 640 to 650, other 640 tanks to 680, Foch to 680 on stock gun and 600 on autoloader, Ho-Ri to 600, Jageru to 850, 263 to 480-500 ish, Deathstar to 950. Well needed buffs imo.

NOTE:HE would remain the same, premium only a small increase. A max roll would be 820 instead of 800 for like the Obj. 268, Deathstar buff is kinda half hearted anyway. The RoF would also be adjusted accordingly.

[leaden flare]

How about nerfing the HP of heavy tanks instead ?
If you increase the dmg of T10 TDs but keep the HP of T9 tanks the same especially meds and lights will have quite some trouble due to highrolls or not beeing able to survive certain RNG dependent situations

I can agree on the point that heavys are clearly overbuffed but i wouldnt want to start another buff train cuz when TDs get buffed meds will me powercreept and lights too so more buffs are needed ending in endless buffing

I can aree on the viewrange thing maps are too small for the viewrange of heavys

[indigo knot]

I mean TDs will get some buffs eventually since they are currently the lowest WR and damage dealing class on avg...tho I wouldn't prefer alpha buffs since that would make game too much campy

[sharp saddle]

What heavy tanks should get across the board is a view range nerf imo

[unique scaffold]

They should have Coated Optics removed as an option.

[winged barn]

BuT yOu cAnT nErF mY pReMiUm hEaViEs

[hardy hazel]

Did wg ever did a class nerf of any type?

[craggy kayak]

Arm V39 need a necessary buff

[sinful leaf]

Not that I recall in this game. Even though this is unrelated to Blitz they have done such a thing before on WoT PC so my hope of that happening isn't completely non-existent, though with the way heavies are now it's evident they probably won't ever be getting a nerf.
@indigo knot Thanks for the correction, somehow forgot about that.

[indigo knot]

Medium tanks heat nerf

[hardy hazel]

Then there is no excuse, they can nerf view range of all heavy tanks and they should

[full token]

It was a while ago though. They may not have that same view now

[scarlet fjord]

maybe buff the over all alpha damage on most TD's and for TD's like 183 i guess smt else for compensation cuz we dont need more alpha on 183 lol
maybe it will fix the hit point buff advatange heavies have
but for this meds will suffer so idk

[safe rapids]

Heavies need View Range nerf so they're blind alone.

[rare sleet]

no 183 needs 1700 alpha damage hesh like in pc to offset heavy hitpoint buff clearly
1150 Ap damage too

[winged barn]

Also, there weren't any "premium" tanks involved back then

[unique scaffold]

No

[dense walrus]

M60 pen was nerfed in 3.7

[remote oriole]

It wasn’t sold, that’s really the big thing they are looking at

5.5 is the most obvious example for nerfing tanks that have been paid for, and they went out of their way to compensate it with gold (by turning them to into collectors) and to embed it in a bigger rebalance

[uncut snow]

Please buff the Churchill VII. It’s too slow and doesn’t have enough armor to function as a heavy properly tier for tier

[winged barn]

Don't worry, they are nerfing the churchill 7 next update

[nocturne mauve]

Hahaha

[winged barn]

Actually, wait. Nerfing the dispersion factors?

and increasing traverse?

The things gonna BLOOM.

Where did this balancing decision even come from?

But then why would the buff the mk6 then?

[autumn zodiac]

The RU server is my guess

From what I've heard very few people use Prammo as often as the other servers so it must be relatively OP over there

[full token]

Can someone go over there and educate them on the existence of prammo

[scarlet fjord]

if thats the case i should transfer to RU lol

[wicked sluice]

@winged barn now im scared that its ridiculus overpowered,but only noobs drive it. I dont want to see some pro in it and shred my team

[winged barn]

Gotta angle that op turret...

The poor church 7 is pathetic. So slow, and the armor isn't even that great. Now the gun won't even be accurate anymore?

Church 6 next update: more armored, faster, more gun depression, more accurate, all at the cost of 3 pen...
...
And yet the church 7 needs a nerf while the 6 needs a buff

Balancing team at WeeGee:
Please stop doing drugs

[dreamy oar]

“Look it’s a heavy tank that’s getting nerf. The players request for a heavy tank nerf is answered. Good job everyone”- WG balancing department

[orchid compass]

Nerf the annihilator, that’s all I have to say...

[vital basalt]

whole british heavy tank line needs buff other than BP

[outer glen]

+5km on the cent1 cent 7 and 4202 caer also need a buff

[crystal halo]

When I play M6 I have no issue penning the turret of the Mk 7, and they struggle to pen me. Yet they go 20 km/h lmao

[winged barn]

They found basically the only ones that are fine. When was the last time I heard "m6 op" or "churchill 7 broken"

They leave things like the arl and vk alone, see the tanks that are worse and go hmmmm yes neeerrrffff

[vital basalt]

developer 1:hey you know the Churchill 7?
developer 2:the tier 6 British tank which is already worse than others?
dev 1:yea, I have an idea
dev 2:what is it?
dev 1:lets nerf it!
dev 2:yea let's nerf it man you're a genius!

[mental pasture]

ARL 44 competes with post buff Vk 36.01 H for the "most op tier 6 heavy" trophy for a reason, bro @vital basalt

Vk 36.01 H got two trustworthy guns and a super heavy hull, the precision in both guns are actually very good too (as @sudden path mentioned, it also have the best top speed of heavy tanks)

In ARL 44 you got a better gun and more acceleration and mobility, but a slightly less trustworthy armor

[sudden path]

Oh yeah and vk 36 is one of the fastest heavies in terms of top speed in the game

[vital basalt]

yea and also it has one of the most thickest armours at tier 6 while churcill gets a meh armour with probably worst tier 6 mobility,that traverse speed buff is not gonna be able make it better because only good thing about churcill is its gun and if you make its gun worse than whats the point,whats point of turning faster if you cant hit those shots

[winged barn]

The armor is great... against tier 5.

@karmic portal comedian

[karmic portal]

The tier 5 Churchill is also getting nerfed, tho the tier 5 Churchill was good so I can accept that

[vital basalt]

yea it is better tier to tier compared but it doesn't deserve this nerf, the reason Churchills are slow because they have a great gun, probably one of the best guns for its tier but after this, Churchill 1 is gonna be just a moving armor that shots and sometimes hits its target with paper hull armor and meh turret oh and still worst mobility for tier 5.Like there is gonna be no point of playing this over T1 Heavy, after nerf both will have the same accuracy but T1 will still have Op armor and good mobility even with nerf compared to this
@winged barn yes exactly

[winged barn]

Is the nerf really that big? No

It's just a complete joke what tanks actually got nerfed

I guess April is coming up...

[last shadow]

be ready for the actual April nerfs/buffs

[nimble zodiac]

The gun was nothing special ._.

[scarlet fjord]

they are increasingly buffing and nerfing absolutely wrong tanks wow

[candid steeple]

WG balancing decisions of tier V VI VII is pathetic. Their only logic is to overbuff the * out of it and call it as job well done. Can we pls just go to old times 2-3 years ago. Game was so much more fun. Now everything at what you look after their buffs is just red red red red red red red forget about weak points red red red red red red and that's how they on drugs design new heavy premium armor or buff tier X medium turret to be pure bs or destroy tier V for no reason make tier IV and lover tiers boring as hell without diversity. Only thing they now know is to just overbuff the * out of something without even thinking about nerfing tanks if it's not T-34-2 because it similar to a premium tank or nerfing (but nor nerfing) Emil 1 because they wouldn't have argument for their premium Emil having better armor and so on. Releasing japanese tier X t with 300mm of armor but then nerfing it because wo ho who didn't see that one coming. I sound a bit toxic but that's the reality. Like their only logic right now is overbuff with more red and more dpm and that's the job well done. It will sell good and that's the only thing that maters and we buff tier V VI VII heavies because we got no better job to do. Huh.

It's like talking to a child. You tell him no don't buff it nerf everything else. But he is like "we buff it", no we should nerf it but he is like "we buff it" and so they buff it while being oblivious to what anyone is saying.

[nimble zodiac]

To be fair they're making power moves in terms of business

[drifting depot]

can we all agree that most of the time the actual stuff that needs fixing doesn't get fixed in this game?

that aside shouldn't the emil 2 get something done to it's speed or armor cause holy hell is it slow on traverse and ffs the turret armor is unreliable

[sudden path]

Emil 2 is fine, it just works even though its trash on paper

[deft owl]

@karmic portal Are you joking right? Churchill 1 is not even close to T1 heavy or Kv-220t. This nerf is just pure garbage.

[karmic portal]

I mean it has crazy pen and nice dpm and can sidescrape. It’s pretty good. I don’t think it needed a nerf ofc. Just it’s not as crazy as the tier 6 one

[winged barn]

Me: compares t1 heavy, bdr, and churchill 1.

...
...
...

Result: nerf churchill

[deft owl]

Side armor is not good on Churchill 1. It easily gets penned from the side. Its turret and rest of the hull armor is not great either. Pen on it is not even the best. Vk 30 has better pen on the ap rounds.

Churchill 1 definetely does not deserves a nerf when T1 heavy is still a thing. (Not counting the Kv-220t as its collector and wont be nerfed most likely)

[nimble zodiac]

I'd be so fine with Churchill I getting track plate buffs, so it could at least remotely sidescrape

The only balancing factor for 220 T is the turret armor and a remotely painful gun xD

[mental pasture]

Plz don't nerf KV-220, I paid for it only because it's extremely op 😭 😭 😭

(just joking, it has enough stats to be a decent tier 6, SOMEONE HAVE TO NERF IT!!!!)

[mental pasture]

This is not something to discuss in balance discussion, go to #general-blitz-discussion

[unique scaffold]

@nova sail This channel isn't for MM compliants.

[rough hill]

churchill 3 turret buff when, thing gets penetrated by t4 matildas even when running enhanced armor

[uncut snow]

I want to love the Churchill VII as it was pretty fun to play before it got power crept but it’s just not fun playing it anymore when you can get penned on ur upper glacis by a tier V

[drifting depot]

bruh I had so many guys raging on me because oOOoO u hAs ChUrcHilL even though to me it was absolute trash

[sand field]

American meds buff

[uncut snow]

h u h ?

[leaden flare]

Aren't those balance charts also from the RU server ?
Would explain why AT-15 is so high on it since I heard RU uses way less prammo in randoms

[twin egret]

Do Russians not know you can use credits to purchase premium rounds or something?

[dark pike]

you gotta ask the russians that then

[late zephyr]

Nerfing churchill VII, but keeping ANNIHILATOR. Hey, If you guys are healthy, don´t play this game. They are spiting on you. Pissing on you and dont even try to call it rain. If they thing churchill needs nerf, then, GJ, blitz is from this time ONLY P2W game... 100%, P2W.
Sorry but, keeping broken T7 and nerfing T6 just because someone can ´t pen it with pramo, this isn ´t even funny. This is sad as whole ideas from WG.
Congrats, you breaking this game more and more...

[leaden flare]

I still don't think it's p2w
Yes there are broken tanks but no having them doesn't guarantee you wins I've seen enough people with 40% in Anni, they do deal more DMG on AVG but they still don't win a lot in them
Your personal skill still matters the most

[obsidian steppe]

Buff kv 2 please esspcially the he shells

[candid steeple]

Premium tanks that are stronger then tech tree tanks. Consumables and provisions that you can't maintain using while earning credits without premium account and with that to not even include premium ammo. You ship gonna sink fast.

Yeah all that is surely not p2w. U na na.

[leaden flare]

I can maintain credits plus without prem ACC and using consumables provisions and premium ammo
2nd even if you loose credits WG has and is doing a lot of events with f2p prem tanks that are achievable for even horrible players

[deft owl]

@leaden flare P2w isnt mean guaranteed win for paying money. If you can pay money to increase the chances of winning, its p2w.

[novel depot]

You can watch ads for gold, I know it's 50/day, but its also 18000/year. There were also streams in November, you could get like 10000 gold and 2 premiums or even 3.

[candid steeple]

That's only for mobile users btw can you still buy garage slots for credits on mobile? I remember of that feature but WG was like "na that's too good to players" so they removed it.

[plucky current]

yea I am f2p i still have 5 prem tanks including the amx 30b 1st proto

[hearty steeple]

You can buy garage slots for credits. It is part of the clan supply and it is limited amount

[candid steeple]

Lmao WG well design new premium tank obj. 907 ahahahaha it even has more dpm then obj. 140 and T-62A. Just saw it now as medium casually zooming around the map. It even has better power to waight ration and acceleration then Leopard 1 which is supposed to compensate with speed for lack of armor.

[last shadow]

I had one of these in my team yesterday
It looked completely balanced
Casual 6k dmg ya know

[late zephyr]

Its like two camps of people during covid. One says, its just regular flu, no big deal, in the other hand there are people which grandparents, etc. died, or had heavy type of it, or nurses in hospitals where are alot of people and they cant handle it,... (in my country mainly,...)
Just like here, one says not P2W, blah blah blah.....
IMHO, it is P2W... I played this game since release... I know how it looked back then.... It is P2W.... Try to compare it with PC wot... There are marathons to get brand new premium tanks, black markets, etc.... In blitz, you just pay, and if you want sth for free, you get barely nothing.... One or two T8 prem tanks ? Funny... There are T10 premium tanks that are in PC wot tech tree... There are more premium tanks than tech tree tanks (looks like). There are tons of prem. tanks between new tech tree releases... ETC.
Just small amount of things... Annihilator, draculas, smashewrs, other hybrid nation crap,... You cant play T6, when smasher snapshots you acros map with HE, or annihilator takes 2/3 HP of your poor t6 tank down, and you cant even turn him to death, because it has traverse speeed...
If you don ´t see this, YES, T6 is part of game. Killing low tier means... I got a lot of low tier prems back then,.... My tech tree t34-85 got 1000 battles BACK THEN. I liked T6/7... Now, those tanks are useles (i talk about premium t6/7... Tech tree ones are unplayable) sure, you can say - why unpolayable, you can play them... Yes, but i just cant give someone with hybrid crap my HP, just because he payed for OP tank that needs no skill...
OPEN YOUR EYES

[vital sorrel]

Hi devs, can you nerf Annihilator ? (almost all players in EU want to nerf him)

[late zephyr]

Nah, because mone...
This is aboutr money... Online games, just money... Deal with it... You want to play ? pay... You dont want to pay ? shame, find another game.

[deft owl]

@candid steeple 907 is getting a nerf in 9.8 no need to worry

[leaden flare]

@late zephyr so you bring up marathon's in wot PC okay they are only doable if your are either really good or a no life
You get discount I guess for as far as you got still you'd have to pay
Prem balance in wot PC had its problems too 252u for example which in Blitz is pretty well balanced
And since you bring up black market I'm pretty sure most people around here that complain about balance don't have millions of credits lying around to bet on a tank idk much about black market I only know grinding credits in wot PC is a pain unlike in Blitz

I don't know much about t6 but for T7 it's still playable if you're a decent to good player imo and yes I'm aware Anni is broken and smasher isn't fair either I get that and I'm also aware that there are tanks that are basically horrible at T7 and so on

Blitz had quite a few doable events in the past
Type 59 Patton grindy event just like PC stuff
M6a2e1 EXP event easiest t8 prem ever
T 44 100 was a easy DMG based event
Chieftain t8 was a skill or exp based event
Kpz was able to be obtained while clubbing in a T5 and getting into a top 1k
A is 6 and a type 59 alle obtainable in free events also a t7 hybrid nation wz also pretty easy f2p then Christmas events and so on I got the T10 AMX for free from that event
You had the kuro event too

You got only a pc to play blitz no problem get blue stacks and watch ads with that ez

You have and had tons of options to get most decent and good tanks with either luck or work

[scarlet fjord]

next up WG nerfing Tortoise and T28 dont worry 😉

[nimble zodiac]

Thank goodness, I was really struggling to pen them with my FT AC

[frail silo]

My guy how much credits do you have? I run all my tanks with everything even prammo and i still didn't get below 1mil credits.
Premium time is easy to earn.
Also there is a ton of premium tanks they gave out that you can play with to earn credits. Get gud.

[candid steeple]

Most of premium tanks that they give out are trash that are not worth playing. Premium time is only easy to earn since they give it 2-3 times per pass. And yes play E5 with all of it's special consumables with full provisions and shoot gold ammo and then tell me how much you earn each game without premium acc. I don't get your comment at all. Maybe it feels as you are earning something but even if you got into positive with credits after a battle it's most of the time abysmal 5k or you actually get credits because of crates. Imagine WG removing crates that give credits for free. This game would go into chaos.

[leaden flare]

E75TS trash
the christmas event only gives good prems except Tankenstein
or imagine getting the 7,5k gold there a wooosh good prem in your garage as soon as one hits the store
is6 also a gud prem if you know how
free to play 5k gold is a bit over 3 months and youll have a T26E5 a Löwe or smth else earning money

If you play T10 to get credits sry wrong game or youll have to get a prem which isnt that much of a problem for me

[hearty hedge]

NERF ANNIHILATOR AND SMASHER , MAKE GAME BETTER FOR F2P like me , ive been in pain for 6 years now cus the game is mostly p2w

[frail silo]

What are you talking about? T8-T10 tanks are not meant to be played with to earn credits.
They gave a ton of gold on the autumn event, i bought the Sherif, Type 62, 112 glacial. Which is in total like 15k gold.
Also the E75TS event, which wasn't remotely hard.
EXP event, IS5(not even a bad tank, it is a good heavium) for 1500 gold.
leKpz M41? Trash? No.
Mf/Fl10 was also easy on its event.
Premium time is easily earned if you do your missions. and by the way you talk, You dump a good amount of hours into the game. So i don't think you find a problem doing that.
You complain about losing credits by playing E5 with consumables... a tank that is already good enough without them.
If you chose to play with the consumables then you know that you are losing credits.
Even though that shouldn't matter to you because it is a tier 10.

[leaden flare]

here you go he is entirely f2p and has 328million credits and 28k gold he saved up over the time playing while researching and buying T10 and so on

[mental pasture]

100% f2p? I doubt but it's understandable and possible

I was doubting because of the gold, not because of the tanks, lol@Acer0708#1200

[candid steeple]

Actually I find it really easy to earn credits in high tiers only thing is that I don't use special consumables or provisions at all. Problem is that when you play E5 and you see another E5 that is using those unbalanced consumables you are completely outclassed. I think I will start wearing in my name "#remove special consumables". They are not needed in the game specially since mostly every tournament tank that is already broken get's it. Also for those easy events. I am not a no-life and I don't have time to spent for 400-600 wins that game requers you to achieve in 2 weeks. Tanks from more realistic and fair events I got but events for most tier VIII premiums that they give are time consuming and game is not that good to keep you play for few hours per day (4-5+).

Also about higher tiers. I only play higher tiers because they ruined tier IV and lower with tech tree changes. Tier V is overall the worst an most boring tier in the game to play at least for me and tier VI is unplayable because of obvious reasons and tier VII means that you will see Smasher or Ani every game.

[hearty hedge]

ikr ,ive been f2p for 6 years and i have a semi life so ididnt play for about 2 years but then i tried is4 line and took me months , then progetto line took me 2 weeks

[leaden flare]

@mental pasture you can ask him (hes on this server) all he does is watching streams, ads and all the stuff you can do to get gold
@candid steeple you complain about performance but dont use the stuff that increases your perfromance the hell
im not using the speed boost or the armor thing in pub games with E5 and still outplay most of them with no problem just git gud at this point

[frail silo]

Why are you telling me this? I already know the balance state of the game.
And the events i mentioned were easy and didn't take much time to complete. Unlike, let's say T-34-3 event.
So you are at no excuse. Autumn season? The ton of gold they gave away? What about that?
Don't tell me you have no premium tank in your account, by this time you should already have had a couple.
And if you are very low on credits to that point then something is wrong on your end and you definitely spend a sh*t ton of time on this game.
Earning credits on WoTB is actually the easiest thing you can do as of now. Along with fxp if you save up enough. It only takes good management and also playing your premium tanks when you are short on credits.

[plucky current]

progetto, and kpfz are really good premium tanks, they were given away fo free basically

[candid steeple]

I talk about special consumables and people talk about event. I say that I got no problem with earning credits because even without premiums it's not hard and I got premiums too. I say that using special consumables is unbalanced but at the same time it costs too much so it's p2w but people then thing that I got problems with credits and that I can't earn enough. The fk? Can one sentence that I say not mean something else?

[sly elk]

Well, I bought two tanks over the time (M41 90 mm and E 25) but both times someone else bought them for me (one time as a birthday gift, one time because I won a bet). So technically I never spent money on this money, but my account isn't entirely F2P. But the majority of it is.

[mental pasture]

Ah yes, I see. Rommel still do a good job even after death, that's surprising.

Stop seal clubbing with KV-2 and nerf Smasher

[oak jetty]

Buf kv2 he pls and Nerf smasher

[sharp saddle]

If you’re talking about the derp HE, it does not need a buff

[storm hatch]

Can anyone tell me if the viewport windows on the AMX 30b’s cupola is penetrable or not?

[scarlet fjord]

Can we buff BC tier 9 and tier 10 HE alpha damage
350 on the tier 9 is just dumb and 380 on tier 10 is still too low it should be 400 or 420 like the russian meds its same caliber isnt it?
Skoda T50 has 420 alpha on HE

[leaden flare]

@candid steeple if you have the credits just use the provisions and consumables you want and there is no problem anymore
prems are achivable f2p so you can get credits for playing T10
prem acc is doable too so you get even more credits
So i dont see the p2w factor right there

[candid steeple]

I don't get why people see KV-2 players as seal clubbing. I used to play KV-2 before the nerf non stop because it was FUN and you get it? FUN it was FUN and even playing against KV-2 was not hard. There was a chance that KV-2 can oneshot you but that's all that there's to the tank. It was an easy tank to counter 20s reload time is easy to punish. Also I am talking about the time 2-3 years ago when there tanks were more balanced and WG wasn't pulling out of nowhere ludicris buffs. So you see armor just went up and up but KV-2 HE nerf is still here. Smasher is allowed to have old KV-2 HE pen but KV-2 is still with this nerf that killed the tank because noobs were crying for not knowing how to play the game. Now you wait 20s to do 300 damage or load AP because more chances to pen for more damage.

Ah yes I guess because you have fun that means that you are seal clubbing. So you are only allowed to have fun in higher tiers right? That's pretty stupid mindset I must say. I mean most low tier tanks are absolute trash that you shouldn't even look at but just skip as fast as possible. I mean KV-2 was to strong back then but now every tier V heavy got it's armor overbuffed so it's just a seal clubbing magnet. KV-2 could still see tier VII that were far more stronger tier for tier then looking at tier V v tier VI. Hitting with KV-2 a side of Tiger I or Tiger P with HE and penning was magnificent but oh well you know. Sacrificing mobility armor reload time and so on only for that one shot eh.

[mental pasture]

Playing a low tier tank with no reason but "because it's funny" is sealclubbing in a nutshell

[vast relic]

I'm a completely f2p player. I currently have a kpfpz, t34 independence, is5, tog, fcm, and some other premiums as well as 10k gold saved up. Granted, I was lucky enough to play before 5.5 and get a lot of gold from that, and I got lucky with the free crates that used to give tanks. Also, grinding normal tech tree tanks as a f2p isn't too bad. I had 220k free xp saved up for the czechs and I don't even play my premiums that much, I typically make enough credits just from grinding tanks (granted I'm weird and don't use any prammo)

[rare sleet]

nothing wrong with seal clubbing if your just playing for fun, If your not good at high tiers then go right ahead and play low tiers.

[unique scaffold]

It's only seal clubbing if you're good.

[twin egret]

I seal club at tier 10

[rough hill]

time to repost so this can get acknowledged, ap shells and 60 more HE damage when, ok bud tell me what part of 2* of gun depression, weakest HE of 152mm guns [ 900 average instead of the usual 960 ] and no normal shells [ you can't shoot though tracks or spaced armor or obstacles ] tell you about how perfectly fine it performs, sure it has decent armor, decent armor that even t6 heavy tanks can easily penetrate by shooting just below the gun, the big fat cupola exists for light and medium tanks to pen, at the end of the day, you can't shoot though tracks which are on most sides of tanks [ duh ] + spaced armor and your shots cannot oneshot nashorns while smasher, kv2s and su 152s can, did i tell you how its sides and rear were HE pennable? tell me, do you see any message that says that vindicator is fine as it is by people who played the tank?, they all say that it's garbage, it's decent if you can manage to play a nerfed, slower and fatter su152 with more normal round pen but you can't pen though tracks

[full token]

No let’s do significant buffs that make it slightly better

[vital basalt]

i think buff the vtu's gun depression to at least -7 or -8 because its a very tall vehicle and that -6 feels like only -4,you know what not just gun depression but the overall tank needs a buff,M4 Rev another tier 8 med has much better gun,better armour on turret,better gun depression and only worse penetration and similar mobility except top speed which u cant reach in Vtu,i dont think that tank should be that bad because it has good penetration

[gleaming apex]

Attack Helicopter#1204 has been warned.

[floral heron]

how did you get the tog and fcm?

[vast relic]

FCM i got from the event where you could get keys for watching the WG tourney stream, the TOG I got from saving up gold by watching ads and boosters and then I think it was on sale for a short time so I got one (if u get 50 gold every day for watching ads, you can get a 1500 gold tog in a month)

@fiery flame lmao I kinda agree, but I'm a Jingles fan so the Tog was kind of a must. Also it's a meme tank and its unique so it wasnt a complete waste (plus it got a buff) I typically don't spend my gold on tanks like the 252u or eagle bcuz while they are really good and better tanks, they aren't really that unique compared to tech trees (compare 252u to every russian heavy and eagle to the pershing)

[floral heron]

whaa how is it that bad?

[leaden flare]

just get it over coin tourneys 😅

[sudden granite]

How dare you insult the holy hot tog

[scarlet fjord]

BC 25 t AP has 350 alpha damage on the HE
and BC 25 T (the tier 10) has 380
i think both need 400/420 alpha damage on the HE rounds specially the tier 9 is too low
Skoda T50 literally has 420 and russian meds also have 420 even T54
i know that tanks like T54E1 dont even have HE which is kinda sad and unfair as well

[frail silo]

You are the one not understanding here.
It is because of the reasons we mentioned the game isn't really as P2W as you make it out to be.
Because even as a F2P you can get a ton of gold and buy competitive premium veichles. While also maintaining an account similar to a wallet warrior. Just that you will not get there as fast.
Which is reasonable.

[remote oriole]

I could make a calculation that shows that you are wrong. But I don’t really feel like it so have this instead: you are wrong.

There is this fancy calculation of 50 x 365 and hey look, a f2p can get 18250 in a year. To put that into perspective, that is one tier ten premium tank. Or two tier nines if you get lucky. And three tier eights when they’re at a discount.
After a year. A year of watching five ads every day, no break. I am not sure how much you value your time but this doesn’t sound like a great deal to me.

But, you might say, you can just do it while you play anyways. Well yes, but not everyone plays every day and this doesn’t take away from the fact that you will need to wait a year at best to get a tier ten premium purely out of ads, and good players are almost expected to have some of those premiums (for tournaments, for instance).

And even worse, the meta changes faster than you get gold! We had like one massive overhaul in balance a year, and every year we get new meta and op premiums that are nice to have. Well, there’s no way on earth a f2p player will be able to keep up with premium trends, and the tank they bought for a painstakingly high sum of gold a few years ago might be entirely uncompetitive now.

I acknowledge that there are a lot of ways to obtain game content, but at the same time I must point out that you must either be very skilled, very active, very resourceful (credits and free xp) or a combination of the three to be able to really take advantage of these offers. To the normal player, these things remain unattainable, and moreover the benefits they bring, such as easier credit grinding or quite simply higher in-game prowess. And having a stronger credit economy makes all the difference looking at equipment, premium ammunition, provisions, (op) consumables and camouflage

[remote oriole]

No

Well, I wasn’t so much going at that the game is f2p but I was rather focusing on the numerous advantages buying has. I think this game can be player for free with few to no issues, and once you are over the hill of having no premium tank you are more or less set. Nevertheless, there are a few p2w structures in the game (partly based around the credit economy) that one should be aware of; it’s not the ideal f2p game but the levels are somewhat acceptable - though it could be better

[frail silo]

My guy you don't even need to tell me that.
What is wrong is you all go with the assumption that i am a try hard 24/7 player.
I am a casual player, i got most of the premium tanks i have from casual saving and the autumn season was a nice addition. And technically speaking a premium tank is enough to power you through the need of credits but maybe i am just too lucky.

[leaden flare]

i dont see where credit making is an issue for f2p players
get a event T6 7 8 prem and you are set

[mental pasture]

"Ah yes I guess because you have fun that means that you are seal clubbing. So you are only allowed to have fun in higher tiers right? That's pretty stupid mindset I must say. I mean most low tier tanks are abs..." and more babbling thay none cares about.

It stills seal clubbing. You did play a lot of low tier (tier I-VI) recently? Welcome to the seal clubber club.
None here is saying "IT'S FORBIDDEN TO PLAY LOW TIER!!!". But if you do spam KV-2, at least accept that you're a seal clubber.... @HeroWonds#1261

[gleaming apex]

Warning logged for Arturkacz#8500. I couldn't DM them.

[scarlet fjord]

i play tier 8-10 but imo playing low tiers just to bully newbies and get "good stats" is bad
but playing low tiers for KV2 or smt like that derpy or funny like JG PZ IV just for the joy of it isnt a bad thing cuz its a game made for fun different ppl have different ideas of fun i prefer to use 183 for the derping but some ppl just wanna get in KV2 i guess

[candid steeple]

So what you mean is that playing lower tiers in seal clubbing no matter your attentions. Well you know seal clubbing then loses a meaning since you can Express it out of context asan insult like simp that most people use out of contest just to insult someone if they hear the tiny bit of something related to it. Ah yes for your information I last time played KV-2 3 years ago alongside Hellcat, KV-1S and SU-100 600 games for each and that was not trying to boost my stats deliberately but because I enjoyed those tanks at that tier. But apparently if you play something as lower tier or even old T82 as derp fiesta tank you will get called seal clobber. I mean my new fun derp tank is SU-152 but you know because I got 70%+ wr on it it must mean that I am deliberately playing that tank to boost my stats or is it that I am just trying to have fun in this game. You can call it seal clubbing because for that word I got no idea what it's exactly supposed to mean anymore but I don't play the tank because I want to intentionally to bully people but because I like the design of the tank. So I guess seal clubbing will remain because insult is insult. If you are good player you are locked out of trying to find fun tanks in lower tiers.

[mental pasture]

So you made that whole text to say that seal clubbing isn't seal clubbing? I'm impressed

Also, SU-152 isn't low tier, lol

I feel like in Twitter; if you say something normal, a gamer girl will make a 30 lines text just to say that someone is offensive

[scarlet fjord]

i think its a problem only if u playing under tier 8 just to get very high win rate/WN8
if ur playing for fun you shouldn't care what ppl call you
you are here to have fun not to listen to what ppl tell you to do in a game designed for entertainment

[candid steeple]

Sure.

But yet again insulting of people that they are seal clubbing has to have some limits. Just because you hate tank at tier VI means that someone playing it is a seal clubber. So playing any tankat tier VI is seal clubbing. I think that tier VI is still a bit to high for that statement.

[mental pasture]

But spamming low tier is seal clubbing bro, I don't know why it's so hard to understand.

Everyone can play tier I-VI freely, but it isn't that hard to accept the clubbing. Even I did it after all.

Lux is right, that's another opinion that I agree with him.

[remote oriole]

Sealclubbing is a term that can be liberally applied to anything. Some pros consider playing tier eight sealclubbing. In the end it’s just a term to describe that someone picks weaker opponents on purpose. Do what you will with it. I don’t mind being called a sealclubber at all because I just play whatever I like, and that includes all tiers from one to ten

[scarlet fjord]

It's a game for fun as long as your having fun you shouldn't care what ppl think
if someone wants pro players to value their skill though try playing tier 10 only for a month because pro players will laugh at your ability to get 80% wr in an Annihilator/Smasher cuz thats not a good representation of your skill
your just contesting noobs with a tier 7 tank with over powered characteristics comparable to tier 8 ones

[candid steeple]

Okay you win. Let's just finish here. I destroyed this chat room. Balance discussion nowhere to be found.

[floral heron]

Seal-clubbing is defined by intention.
To some godly player from WoT PC, just touching blitz can be seal-clubbing.

[mental pasture]

I wonder how the WOT pc players see us

[scarlet fjord]

True XD
@mental pasture some think we are trash all of us but those are just arrogant because I've played PC too and there are ppl that think fondly of us but you get the point

[karmic portal]

@remote oriole you say 18k but every week you make like 150 gold from clan missions so 52*150= 7800 gold. 18000+7800 = 25800 gold. Plus the free tanks for Christmas and for wg birthday that can be sold for gold, 25800+2000= 27800 gold. That’s a lot of gold without having to spend any money. And if you consider events like the keys from stream which I got like 8k gold from, you over 30k gold. That’s like 2 cheap tier 10s, 3 tier 9s, or like a bunch of tier 8s, all for free

[remote oriole]

Well, if you make Blitz a main part of your life, sure. Because if you also count the missions you have to remember that you actually need to complete them - on a daily basis. You also need to be in a clan and aware of the events Wargaming hosts (and you of course need to participate).

Realistically speaking, you are lucky if you get even half of that amount of gold. And even then it’s still a lot of effort to put into this game for something that returns gold equivalent to the value of like 100$. In the end your best shot at getting numerous premium tanks are events (which sadly have been kind of pushed aside by battle passes), with the gold only being a small bonus that allows you to buy a fancy high tier premium like once a year

[karmic portal]

I completely disagree with that but ok. In events you could earn a mediocre tier 7 tank or a tier 8 if you gave up your soul to grind it. This way I can buy an op premium I want that’s for gold. Lucky to get half that gold? Yeah if you play very little but if you play so little then why do you even care about getting tanks for free.

[remote oriole]

Because... oh wait. Because they are op?

Also, we are talking about the general player base and not people who consider playing 180 days a year “little”

[scarlet fjord]

Buff BC 25 t AP HE alpha damage from 350 to 400/420
and also the same for BC 25 t (tier 10) from 380 to 400/420
Skoda T50 has 420 russian meds also have 420 even T54 all of these are 310 alpha damage 100mm guns WG

[twin egret]

just tell them to save up gold lol

[terse cargo]

I had the rare priviledge of speaking with one. They mostly consider Blitz as childish and lacking seriousness.

[dark pike]

imagine feeling superior with the unbalanced fiasco that is wot pc

[unique scaffold]

Technically pc does have a higher skill level they get the boot from wargaming themselves all the time and they deal with it for years

[candid steeple]

I mean it's 15 v 15. In Blitz you are one of 7 and your skill has larger impact on a smaller amount of people so that's understandable. But thing with Blitz is that it's so WAY WAY WAY more fair then PC. Tier X in Blitz if you got even few screws in your head it's not hard to earn credits. In PC good luck with that lol. Pay premium time or don't play high tiers. Also every premium there is like having Smasher or Ani or stronger tank against your tech tree ones. Specially that WG like's to ignore complaints of players and keep it like that unless it starts destroying the game like EBR (or however it's called) so they nerf it but actually don't so tier X is still toxic fiesta of everyone getting spotted.

[thick kite]

Bruh i think smasher is too unbalanced, WG is doing P2W

[plucky current]

no u are lying nobody plays smasher it doesn t have any effect on the games

[floral heron]

xd.
Idk how to display the full list, but smasher should be up high as well.

[candid steeple]

I mean WT gun is defenetly not completely overstated so in every game you see that tank. Surely tank is not too good right?

Honestly nerf WT gun. It's due to some nerfs. Tank is so flexible and only flaw is that HE can pen it with eas.

I mean average wr of players is below 50%. WT is played so much but it's above 50%. We wont talk about Ani. Graf shows that even 40% wr player can have 60% average WR.

Kek WG will probably shut down that site so people can't see how broken their gold digger premiums are with proof.

[iron violet]

Can the vk 45 a get a buff on the gun depression, 6 seems kinda low, small little hills prevent me from being able to fight the already tough emils and m103s, could it be 7 or 8

[candid steeple]

Vk lacks side armor if you ask me. Buff it to 120mm and behind tracks and above tracks side armor. Tank is fine as it is but it's lacking the thing that t's supposed to have and that is to be good at side scraping. It's a side scraper not a hull down tank. You sh*t on M103 and Emil II if you position yourself properly.

[iron violet]

With how the maps lay out most of the time facing a 252 or emil if i have a dip anywhere in front they might get into even if its shallow i cant shoot them at all. I was on falls creek by the rock using the hill to look down further and it still wasnt enough to shoot their weak spot and left me more vulnerable to be penned from directly in front. The lack of side armor isnt as much of an issue as the depression since most maps have those little lumps everywhere and the few flat areas noone ever fights in. Everyone always wants to fight in the hills or dunes because it supports their depression. Also theres no need to have it that low when theres not really anything stopping the barrel from being able to look a bit further down

[leaden flare]

the T8 Vk 45 really needs some gun depression with like 8 it could be used soo much better against meds lights and so on

[primal kayak]

first i want to thank u for the shinobi engine buff, it gets around more easily now, thx. but i believe it also should have a bit more gun depression in my opinion, like the tech tree tanks, thx guys

[plain elbow]

DEVS, can you please fix auto-reloaders: when i have loaded 2 shels and last one is in half,i shoot and i lost half of third shel and second shell, and i will left with my last shel, i wot (not wotb) you will save your half of shell what you are loading....i mean please make it like in regular wot. Thanks, sry for my language im from slovakia

[weary shuttle]

Can you solve matchmaker? Please, mix the teams, not all in one, yesterday i played a match with 5 teamates below 500 dmg and the other team had 5 players over 1200

[primal kayak]

@weary shuttle the more random the matchmaker is, the better m8

[weary shuttle]

That wasn't random, that was bully!!!! LOL

[candid steeple]

You mention VK 45 and then tier IX tank with it but now you mention VK 45 with tier VIII tanks. You know they are different with A and B at the end at least make it clear what you are talking about. And no people stop just asking for gun depression. Every tank should have zero skill with positioning in your opinions. In my opinion VK A is a complete trash. Buff it's armor a bit and dpm and see how it goes. But don't overbuff it because lately WG only know what overbuff means.

[iron violet]

I was talking about the A and yea those were 2 examples from 2 matches that the extreme limited gun depression was a problem, its also a long reload to how much damage it does compared to most tanks, not by a ton but long enough that its a work around. And honestly most tech tree tanks are overly light on armor, but its what ever 7min window.

[queen kraken]

Dude can you please update the invisible walls on every map? Especially at the bottom side of every hilly terrain and mountains, some of them are like invisible trap for Light tankers and its really terrible

Thought you can drove out off it forward, but you just stuck in there with stupid yet unreallistic view of how a terrain should work IRL while your tank are at 0hp

[candid steeple]

Nerf E 75 TS turret cheek armor to 225mm. 235 mm is just on the limit of most tier VII premium ammo or way higher. If it goes face hug or hull down you got no ways or means to pen it. And since lower plate is so steep even if you get away form the tank you can't pen it. I mean I love that tier VIII tank has E75 hull. that's pretty balanced and turret doesn't have commanders hatch as a weak point. I wont even mention that even if you see sides as tier VII you still can not pen even if tanks side is at a normal to you. 120mm armor + space armor. Why VK 45.02 B is a side scraping tank but has worse sides then tier VIII german heavy. Like just nerf the armor of that tank. Zero weak point armor is unfair and unhealty for the game. At least make tank so he can't just look at you unpunished specialy what that HP pull and 2000 dpm. Like I don't get why riot has tendency nowdays to design tanks that lower tiers can't counter. Like just why? If you are making turret be that dumb and low skill at least punish players for exposing lower plate without angling or anything. for example VK 100.01 (P) is full of weak points. You load gold and practically only top plate is a non pen. Every tier VII can shoot at your hatch or lower plate with no problem but again E 75 TS zero skill tank.

Yes I am asking for E 75 TS to have some kind of weak point that tier VII can shoot at.

I mean I don't get how WG during their tank designs of premiums think like. Do they even take into account lower tiers. Only conclusion here is that "THEY DON'T CARE".

[rare sleet]

Except e75 ts is a premium tank, They won't even nerf annihilator or smasher so this whole paragraph is pointless

[sand field]

Yep

[hearty steeple]

I would take this time to point out that 235mm pen on prammo is almost worst in tier 8. Most tanks have more gold pen. Infact avg heavy tank standard pen is about 226mm, which can high roll and pen 235mm plate flat but suppose you will have to shoot prammo at it. There are several heavies and most tds which can straight up pen that turret face with standard.

Lets forget about that lowerplate which can be seen from space. As well as the awful mobility allowing most tanks with poor pen to get to its side or rear

[frail silo]

Armour is already meh against tier 8s
Nerf it and it is even worse

[leaden flare]

The AVG herowonds suggestion it is again I see
Hey I can't pent is3 turret front with my T7 med pls nerf *sarcasm

[candid steeple]

I never complained about IS-3 turret in my life because hull is cheez so your argument is a complete an utter BS. Yeah? Right. Be smarter with your arguments next time. You just look dumb right now.

My problem is that even lower plate is hard to pen. And I gave example of why other tanks got a lot more weak points but this things has practicaly non for tier VII and that's my problem.

[rare sleet]

Well your argument is pointless too because wargaming doesn't nerf premiums. Wasted a whole lot of your time and energy writing that paragraph of nonsense.

[leaden flare]

You obviously didn't get it 😂
I said that because it's just to point out how ridiculous your balance wishes are I know you never said that

[frail silo]

More like you do.
You wanna nerf an already easy pen turret
Because tier 7s can't pen it, rightfully so.

[twin egret]

I'd say remove some of the invisible maps, not reshape them to work, some invisible maps are really, really stupid honestly by Wargamings part, some parts were used by players and they weren't unfair or anything, or gave an advantage

[mental pasture]

It's more like "Hey, I want to play [insert pre 5.5 T2 tank that none cares about] again. Actually I want a reverse 5.5"

Chill herowonds, it's just a joke

I disagree, I kinda like the way that the lines are nowadays, but I really would want to see some tier 5-7 pre 5.5 tanks again, they were cool for seal clubbing.
Churchill Game Carrier looks so spicy...
I what about jumbo with top gun? Good old times

It's a robery! Hand all your Churchill Game Carriers or I'll make you get Jumbo'd @_Alopecoid#3960

[leaden flare]

@mental pasture I'd kinda like a reverse 5.5 but not to play lowtiers just so that the tree doesn't look as empty anymore

[twin egret]

NO do not steal my Churchill GC

[candid steeple]

I actually take lower tier changes to heart even though I only played it rearly. So I don't like that joke nor low tier changes. I mean their aim was to clear lower tiers from seal clubbing and they did that but in really unhealty way.

I don't care this is the internet.

[mental pasture]

Np, want me to delete that joke? @candid steeple

👍

[scarlet fjord]

buff T44 penetration values and DPM
54 lt wt has more DPM light tank camo is faster (literally a better turret) and pretty much same gun aside from the superior DPM
maybe even buff the gun mantlet on T44 cuz its paper behind that thing
120
or 160 if you hit the gun as well

[safe rapids]

T-44 is a fine vehicle, maybe only a small pen buff to 180 or so is fine imo.

[autumn zodiac]

LtWt has Ammo capacity issues

That's its biggest issue and to be frank, it actually does do quite a bit in carry situations

[leaden flare]

pls rebalance tortoise at this point its way worse then the t8

[still jolt]

Theres no such thing as balance in this game

[gleaming apex]

SKOT#8773 was muted

[vital basalt]

i agree with T44 buff,its 175 pen and that dpm is just not enough to fight in tier 8 its like a tier 7.5 tank

[scarlet fjord]

i honestly would rather drive a T-34-1 in tier 8 than T44 cuz op camo and an actual turret lol
plus very short so extremely good in sidehugs

[vital basalt]

yea same

[nimble zodiac]

I once ran out of AP, had no APCR, and had to fight a KV-3 (luckily with teammates) with my LTTB HE

[frail silo]

Whoever thought giving the TVP ramming ability and invisibility is a good idea.....

[candid steeple]

If only TVP was the only problem with ramming. I must say ramming heavy for 1000 damage is pretty fun and balanced yet again the thing that I live is turbo speed T28 when meds and lights think they can circle it but then find out that they can't run away from 3000 dpm.

Sry I typed it incorrectly. "Balabced" was supposed to be sarcasm.

[frail silo]

I know mad games are supposed to be just fun modes.
But man is it really fun when you can't play any tank with the TVP around
Which will just ram you and clip you out.
So fun!

[thorn jay]

Olá

[teal palm]

Honestly TVP having invis is a little dumb. Having the ability to easily ram other MTs for 1000 hp and after that still having 1200+ dmg in a clip

[nimble zodiac]

@teal palm Mad Games is inherently too difficult to balance

[teal palm]

True

[scarlet fjord]

and dont get started on the panther

[drowsy plaza]

Take discussions on Mad Games and other mode effect discussions to their respective rooms please. This is simply for normal modes.

[winged scarab]

I think normal tech tree premiums deserve a buff after all this time. For example the super Pershing doenst really compete against new tanks in its tier. The lowe is pretty much a shell sponge at this point the front plate is almost useless.

[nimble zodiac]

The Lowe is a great tonk =<

Also the upper plate is very solid, most tier 8s would have to press 2 on a Lowe angled 20 degrees

[candid steeple]

So we buff and buff and buff and buff and buff and buff and make more broken tanks in the game. I like that mentality.

[autumn zodiac]

Nah, Churchill 7 is getting a nerf

What we've all been asking for

[winged barn]

Bout time the churchill 1 got nerfed. Now the go to seal clubber is...

[primal yacht]

Just came face to face with a SU-152, with the 152mm, driven by a member of Def-V, in my SU-100 with the 100mm, and he somehow reloaded faster. I only got one shot in. Hack?

[autumn zodiac]

No

[toxic nymph]

depends on their crew skills, equipment loadout, and consumables. the fastest possible reload speed for su152's derp gun is 9.41s with double food, max rage+max adrenaline rush, gun rammer, and adrenaline.

[winged scarab]

No im not saying make them op im just saying make them better so that they somewhat stand a chance against the newer tanks. 6.5 second reload on the super Pershing seems a little long for 225 when other mediums are lower reloads better pen and higher alphas

[mental pasture]

So don't you agree that there's a ton of tech tree tanks that are outclassed even by other tech trees? Indien pz, Pershing, and that FCM 50T (I would tank about that tier 7 french heavy, but FCM looks a better example) are perfect examples

All those 3 simply lacks or armor, DPM, speed, ultra accuracy, etc

Yeah, it's not disgusting enough. The "Saint" Emil need to be the best at being the worst

I agree @deft owl , the TS is strong enough to be simply a very good one, it have much weakpoints that a experienced player can abuse

[deft owl]

@autumn zodiac So when we will get the long waited St emil nerf?

@candid steeple You arent suppose to penetrate the Turret face of an tier 8 Super Heavy in a tier 7 unless its a Td. Thats why lower plate exist.

To be honest E75 TS is currently one of the well balanced heavy tank in game. I mean crying for E75 TS nerf is joke when Obj 252u still exist.

[autumn zodiac]

Tommorow

[leaden flare]

nerf tortoise OP gun way to strong lul

[mental pasture]

@leaden flare The gun is actually the only trustworthy thing that a Tortoise player have. That's a bad idea.

Sorry, my sense of humor is kinda bad.

[leaden flare]

@mental pasture thats the whole point of the joke xD

[winged barn]

Even then, the jag and su54 have better guns

[twin egret]

yeh mate but they're nought bri'ish guns, kinda dumb innit

[plush anchor]

Why is it impossible to ever play some tanks? I have tried to use some of the collector tanks in battles and never get into a battle. Just yesterday I waited with the Spike tank for over 30 minutes and it never placed me into a battle. There was 20-50 tanks at my level the whole time and just as many in the levels above and below. This has happen several times when I try to play some tanks.

[unique scaffold]

And why the hell are you sealclubing? Just freaking sell them for gold.

[rough hill]

my time has come to repost this suggestion again, gotta do this till this gets buffed or i get kicked

[candid steeple]

Nerf Jagtiger. Dpm trough the roof. Has armor. Has hp. Gun stats are broken. I think that it should be made weaker. Nerf its dpm by 200-300 or nerf it's hp by 100-150.

[unique scaffold]

IS-5 needs buff, the DPM is very very bad, there's no way 2000 damage can help anyone In tier 8. Constant loses... Currently I'm not enjoying the tank. I'm sure this tank is better in WOT than blitz.

[twin egret]

??????? why a nerf?
I think you're playing it wrong ;3
I have nearly 72% winrate in it within 111 battles

[unique scaffold]

2036 DPM in the IS-5 in blitz, in WOT the DPM is at 2200+ although the HP is nerfed. The tank has very good armour yes, but the damage or minute is very bad. If two normal tanks take you on your finished.

[toxic nymph]

if it's bad, why would you want to make it worse?

[twin egret]

"He's a little confused, but he's got the spirit"

[unique scaffold]

What worse? the tank is at its maximum DPM, and it cannot get better unless you've buffed it.

[dark pike]

so what do you think a nerf actually means

[low cliff]

Nerf = make tank bad
Buff = make tank good

[vital basalt]

i think Torto should have same aim time as Conq,i can see it has little bit better dispersion but that aim time and dispersion on move/traverse kills the tank in my opinion
also Jagdtiger has better dpm,penetration,damage,its faster,more armour so whats left for Torto,it supposed to be a Super Heavy Tank that can bounce everything but it has way less armour than Jagdtiger

[unique scaffold]

So if IS-5 is buffed in blitz then there's no problem. 👌

[shut whale]

WG please buff the HE alpha dmg of Sheridan

[candid steeple]

WG pls do not ever touch Sheridan again.

[scarlet fjord]

its not the DPM that struggles on the tank mate
most 122 mm guns have that DPM 2000 in fact there are some like the IS-6 which have even less the tank struggles cuz there are just better variants of it like Celestials 252u's
and IS-6 imo as well not about DPM its about hitting you for 400 and then not receiving a shot in return but the armor isnt strong enough to do that like the others is

[unique scaffold]

Incorrect, IS-6 has 2300+ DPM. Except for the armour, the IS-6 has no problem like the 2000 damage per minute, in fact basically you can't utilize 2000 damage in a minute because, you cannot fight 2 tanks. ( IS-6 has 2 guns so it doesn't matter )

[vital basalt]

Is6 has +2.3K if you use 175 pen gun which is bad unless youre gonna play it as med

[candid steeple]

I don't know about him but dpm on my IS-5 is 1800 and I don't find problem with it lmao. IS-5 is strong and defenetly better then IS-6 or IS-3. I am not even shere if he is trolling or not or he just sucks that hard at the game to complain about standard dpm that every heavy at that tier has. I mean T32 has 2000 dpm and gun is a lot weaker. If we are crying about IS-5 then there are other tier VIII tanks that we should cry about first. @unique scaffold right?

Hmm I at least find fighting IS-6 easier then IS-5. Pike nose of IS-5 is stronger and if enemy loads gold on Is-6 entire hull is a paper no matter what you do because of how armor is designed it will always be around 220mm+ armor and that's easy to pen for most tier VIII guns with gold or not. Just my experience at least.

[scarlet fjord]

@unique scaffold you play the IS-6 with the DPM gun?
O_o
i see now why you ask for IS-5 DPM buff
the IS-6 is no longer viable with the DPM gun because a lot of tanks received armor buffs and your lack of top speed and lack of flexibility means that gun does not work anymore even if you go med route your sluggish for it you play the IS-6 with the pen gun and in fact i like to run calibrated shells so i can butter through every heavy tank pretty much everywhere with 300 HEAT
again its not about the DPM the IS-5's armor is easy to deal with

and like @candid steeple and i mentioned earlier every 122mm gun has that DPM (well almost) so that isnt what is making the IS-5 struggle
but imo the IS-6 is significantly better than the IS-5 because the armor is actually troll angled correctly the gun is significantly more accurate and has more gun depression but thats just my opinion

[vital basalt]

as you can see,all 400alpha guns at tier 8 at has either 1.9K or 2K which u cant really feel the difference

[unique scaffold]

the IS-5 has ~1750 DPM without any equipment or provisions, therefore the IS-6 has 1690 DPM on its second gun, yes it's second gun is very bad but if it is so bad then why won't the IS-5 have a better gun because as I said normally you cannot utilize all your DPM for example you can cause 2000 damage in a minute you can mainly cause 1600 - 1800 damage in a minute so if it is penetration then why isn't it buffed then with 2 different guns? ( IS-3 is a complete different tank in fact the IS-5 is much heavier and has less mobility for that of the mobility stats which should have been the DPM instead. Anyways a tank is not a tank without its DPM )

[scarlet fjord]

if anything the IS-3 might be the tank that needs a gun buff it has the potential to be a heavium like the IS-8 if the gun wasnt so bad
since its paper but sometimes troll vs meds if we make the gun have really nice DPM and gun handling it would be an interesting playstyle
but not a good idea giving an IS-5 DPM lol its not paper like the IS-3 but it does have similar mobility to it

[candid steeple]

IS-5 is basically a better version of IS-3. A while ago IS-3 drunk a hard nerf to it's gun and now it's a forgotten meta. IS-5 has better armor similar speed and better dpm. One more thing. 400 gun at tier VIII is pretty devastating for most tanks at it's tier or lower so it's an amassing trade gun. Giving it dpm too will just turn it into an unbalanced gun. You can't just yolo in and expect to do good in this kind of tanks. Dpm is a job of mediums and TD's. IS-5 is mostly for good repositioning and trades. Not all in. You don't have capacity for that and you shouldn't.

[unique scaffold]

First thing, the IS-5 has a super weak lower plate most times you are caught in situations where you have use your DPM to live especially when your taking on 2 to 3 tanks at once. Even if there distracted you still can't kill them in time even with adrenaline. Armour without a gun is like food without taste. ( IS-5 is lacking mobility due to it's heavy weight, and it needs DPM because it's crap. What do you have to say? )

[scarlet fjord]

omg dude every single 400 alpha gun at tier 8 has that DPM except for 1 gun on an IS-6 which is pointless to use ur asking for the wrong buffs u cant have armor mobility alpha AND DPM and pen etc thats not balanced

[unique scaffold]

How do you end up taking 2 or 3 on at once your a heavy tank not supposed to be taking on too much or what you can’t handle support exists that has nothing to do with how bad a tank is

[candid steeple]

I would suggest you to stop trying to convince him. You just gave him and argument that he can't object. If he continues then just leave that dens nut to keep dreaming.

IS-5 is fine as it is if not a bit on a better side.

If you can't predict where enemy is then tank is not at fault but you. How many games and what wr you got on your acc? Predicting where enemy is is on of fundamental things that you should be able to do.

[unique scaffold]

You can't tell if all 7 tanks may flank you at once and there is no plans for what the enemy is coming with, and what will you do in such situation with a 2000 DPM gun? Think. ( And in fact I am the one who's reporting none of you reported when I wanted to you don't see the problem but I do, so I'm doing what I'm supposed to )

[scarlet fjord]

so he rushes like 3 tanks thinking he can bounce everything and cuz he is out gunned 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 he thinks his 400 alpha gun should out DPM his enemy while also having heavium mobility AND great armor 😄
maybe we should give him an IS-7 at tier 8 lol that should suffice?

and btw if you get flanked by 3 tanks its probably your fault maybe? your tank shouldn't be able to survive a 1vs3 maybe? lool

[unique scaffold]

Again all the IS tanks share almost identical dpm it doesn’t even matter their all fine maybe learn not to rush head on or separate yourself from the team since it’s tier 8 chances are theres 2-3 IS tanks on the enemy team aswell or heavies either way they will have equal DPM there is literally no possible way your facing so much while with team mate assistance it just sounds like your rushing mindlessly

[karmic portal]

Is5 is worse than is3 what are you guys talking about. Is5 has like the worst gun ever. At least the is3 is fast

[candid steeple]

Your argument now... You know what, no one thinks ill of you but go play couple more of the games and look at the mini map. When you die think what you could do better and predict those pesky med's from where they will come when they tarnish your med's on med side. If you see med side being abliterated if you can make your team clear heavy said so you can answer to enemies coming from the back.

[ancient peak]

What is up with the influx of bad Swedish heavy players they all seem to be 40-48%, maybe they should consider reworking it, since most people have no clue how to play it correctly

[uneven narwhal]

Reworking an entire branch just because some players can't play it properly is not logical
If taken from that perspective, there is almost every tank in the game that has incompetent players driving it

[remote oriole]

The Swedish heavy tree is very newbie-friendly because it consists of op or strong tanks starting from tier eight (yes, I know many say that the Emil II is weak but that is just non-sense. The Emil II is the closest to balance in the whole tree but still too strong), so it’s only logical that it attract them. Ironically, as WG seems to have a policy of introducing all tanks in a too strong state, we will see this with all lines coming

[ancient peak]

It is strong in capable hands, which I’m sorry to say most people don’t have. Heck I have played them myself, Emil 1 is very strong, but Emil 2 and kran are very meh in my opinion. Personally I would prefer if they were just autoloaders instead like the Emil 1.

[leaden flare]

@scarlet fjord the IS 6 is most viable with DPM gun even against heavys currently running it in IS 6 and I'm on no2 spot in WN8 for 30 days so I think the gun works quite well unlike the pen gun

HeroWonds at his best forget that TVP also has to reload 45sek for those two clips and then again it can't two clip 2,6k hp heavys
Has 800hp less then kran, can't always peek and doesn't have the ability to shoot just one shell for better dpm as a saviour if rushed

[candid steeple]

All med and light lines were completely overstated when released but Kranvagen heavies from the line are boring as hell. Kranvagen and Emil I are terribly boring in my opinion. Only worth tank from there is Emil II. Tank is most balanced heavy there lul but at the same time when played well really opressing. Emil I is OP but I never had fun in playing it. WG said that they will nerf it and they didn't but released stronger premium version of Emil I and that's probably why they didn't nerf it. Kranvagen is OP when it's in a good spot but tank is so onedimensional. You don't exist for 30s+ and then you unload magazin that doesn't even halfs hp of a enemy heavy tank and then you go back and then you wait again. Shoot entire magazin and see that enemy heavy is still not dead. I know that other autoloading heavies got the same problem but they reload 10+ seconds faster and their intraclip fire is faster and their aiming time is faster and their accuracy is not of a derp gun but of a medium tank or better and tier speed is better and their hull treverse is better and their turret rotation is better. As Kranvagen you are so onedimensional that it's unbelivable. And you get hit by 155mm gun with HE for 500 damage in the face. Yeah it happened straight into the turret face. You are sacrificing everything to make that one play that seem OP and that's it. If you ask me rework entire line.

TVP 50 is allowed to two clip heavy tank and it needs only 12s to do it. WG and their bias.

On average my wr is highest on medium tanks.

[unique scaffold]

Here we go with “med bias” maybe instead of spamming heavies all day try a med for a change really gets the cogs going

[twin egret]

TVP has low pen, don't expect it penning every shot on a Maus or E 100 unless you got its side/rear at the flattest possible way the armor can be facing you

[tribal moss]

More of a you problem if you think WG has med bias in this meta. 🐵

[scarlet fjord]

just your playstyle its very unreliable and inconsistent

[winged barn]

Dpm gun+ rammer and use it as a med killer. It's very reliable, you just take it to different locations than you would take a normal heavy.

If there aren't any meds, then the is6 can take the med roll of creating crossfires. It's not a tank that you can ignore when it gets easy side shots

[scarlet fjord]

a waste of an increadible heavy with the pen gun
even a T44 with its mobility struggles sometimes let alone IS-6

[winged barn]

If you play an is6 with the pen gun, there are a vast number of tanks that would be better options. The is6 running dpm at least is unique and has something over its peers. You lose any advantage as soon as you lose all dpm to get normal pen and meh armor

[winged barn]

And if you spam gold on a dpm is6, you have the same pen as the pen gun's standard, which is more than enough for most situations, and you have a gun that eats tier 7s and meh armored tier 8s alive

[full token]

They’ve said something about that in the linked message here:

#devs-answers message

[unique scaffold]

The DPM for the IS-5 there in WOT is without equipments and provisions. But in WOTB even with full equipments that's the DPM you get. Needs buffing.

[hardy hazel]

Dont compare wot pc with wotb and is5 dpm is fine, if you cant do well in it just play another tank

[unique scaffold]

You said it's fine because your probably not the one who's playing the tank. And there's absolutely no way the 2000 DPM can be "ok". Compared to the 2300 - 2400 DPM in WOT. ( Yes, depends on tier and class )

[winged barn]

Shall I make a list of tanks with worse dpm than the is5?

[hardy hazel]

I have the tank and i love it, the only thing i would buff is the armor, not the dpm, but the tank is fine just play hull down

[dull sluice]

Stop adding autoloaders

[unique scaffold]

Answer this carefully: How can you hull down a tank with a -5 degrees gun depression? It is not WOT where you can go beside tall hills and give your side either. The maps are completely different and you have to work with it. Btw you have to have at least -7 degrees to "Hull Down". There is also nothing wrong with the armour besides, the armour is even thicker than the armour of the tier IX WZ-111 1-4 Heavy Tank; which is 182 mm compared to 176 mm. It cannot be avoided. It needs an update, not just because you don't play these tanks properly. "Hull Down" has no purpose if you cannot return fire to the enemy. Even with IS-7 at that angle there is no way to penetrate the armour, so that's no knew knowledge because I also use Armour Inspector.

[winged barn]

First of all, no

Second of all you don't even have to go fully hull down

[hardy hazel]

Bro, stop comparing it to Wot pc, wotb and pc are two different games 🙄
And you dont need a hill to go full hull down, as master of the larks said, you dont even have to use gun dp to go hull down, there are small areas in the maps where you can hide your lower plate and part of your upper plate and make it hard to other who try to pen you on the upper hull.
Leaving that aside, its a heavy tank, it doesnt need DPM if you already have armor and big heavy alpha.

[winged barn]

Hulldown:
Hull is hidden

Find literally any pile of rubble. You are now hull down.

Find literally any sand dune. Poke the base of it. You are hull down.

Find a dead tank. Poke your turret over its hull. You are hull down.

You need no depression to do these tasks, yet you remain hull down. I think you need to reconsider how you play on maps if you do not realize this.
Also, where are you getting is7 from? You are the only one that compared it ot one

Oh boy, I guess I'm wrong guys, sorry, I know literally nothing.
@hardy hazel give up, he's hopeless

[unique scaffold]

I'm talking about WOTB not WOT so you explain if there is barely anything which you can use to hide the lower plate. It's not a med or a light and worst of all it's not an IS-7 so stop comparing. Normally when you want to "Hull Down", you find something such as sand hills and other stuff. They usually also block you from firing. So, think something which is sensible (Probably you need to play IS-5 for a day and see what's your comment).

[hardy hazel]

Rn im getting the same vibes from the guy that wanted 183 buffed because it had low win rate

[scarlet fjord]

no many heavy tanks can make quick work of you even if you spam gold with DPM gun
and no only the op premiums like Celestials have (some advantages) over you the pen gun on the IS-6 is still the better ones of the russian style guns in terms of gun handling and gun depression

[unique scaffold]

The IS-5 is a premium tank and it is a tier VIII Heavy. Tier VIII means more DPM, other than when it's a tier VII it makes more sense. Even the IS-2 makes more sense in DPM than a tier VIII Heavy which is fighting tier IX tanks and sometimes tier X tanks which have tons of HP.

[unique scaffold]

Is-2 is awful though what does that mean

WH jestescie banda os,ustaw i gnoji ani twórcami gry , cała wasza obecną działalność polega na 9szustwach wobec graczy , wydula wam się screby I filmy z bitwy gdzie ewidentnie widac gdzie gracz stosuje mid pozwalający strzekac przez przeszkody a Wy go bronicie bo jest jednym z Was , jestescie gnojami i zk9dzuejsmi , to samo dotyczy graczy których nigdzie nie idzie znaleźć, żadnych statystyk nie mają a ku rwa mac w bitwie po 6000 dmg I po 5 ubitych wiec kolejny wasi protegowani , tak wygląda wasza fory pley gra , jestecir bydłem i oszustami

[unique scaffold]

IS-2 isn't awful because the tank has a very good DPM and a very good slope armour capable of blocking tier VIII shots also they buffed the accuracy and made it better. The IS-2 is similarly to the IS-4. With equipment and provisions the IS-2 has a reload of 12.6/12.8 sec's. (Noticed what you said; "was").

[light ivy]

bro its aim circle and accuracy is the problem. the speed and armor and traverse are good but the reload is kinda meh 12? welp decent, and the aim circle was big and very slow at aiming and the dispersion isnt that good too. atleast the HEAT pen is great tho. ( is 😅 )

[unique scaffold]

Compared to the normal IS it’s actually worse in speed accuracy even gun flexibility and hull armor

There is nothing wrong with the IS-2 even the velocity is higher and the armour is better than the IS. Bro, no. The IS-2 is buffed which means circle size is reduced. I played it recently so I do know. And don't even talk about KV-2. 🙄

[light ivy]

IS2 being slower than IS but more armored is great for balance, but they both should have same gun performance because that will mean the IS will be better because you can atleast..... HIT the target while in IS2 the aim circle is hella big and the aiming is very slow and after all of that aiming the shell misses because of the bad dispersion Xd its basically the most inaccurate tank I've ever played, even kv2 hits its shells without asking 😅. (tbh I did not play it yet but soon I will buy it back to see the accuracy buff -also is the accuracy buff in this update or next one?-)

same armor ?! 👇 atleast the armor layout is deffirent

[unique scaffold]

The fact your reacting to your own comments just shows how delusional you are

What are you comparing? I already know it's buffed, so? In addition, the slope armour gives it another 40 - 50 mm. Which makes the front armour about 160 - 170 mm. Same goes for the Badger (Damn how many times do I have to say, that it's fixed?).

[light ivy]

instead of comparing the armor , first thing first yes the IS2's upper hull is better because it doesnt have the driver's hatch thing that is a weakspot in the IS. and I only see the accuracy as a problem that might even force me to play the stock gun

[unique scaffold]

My point was the Is2 is still worse than the Russian variant even then my original point was why are you comparing the Is5 to 2 when it’s awful (this is is5 player count btw) seriously what is your backwards thinking IS tanks dominate tier 8 and 2-3 are bound to be on one side every battle it faces equal enemies and it only meets tier 10 by failtooning. Based off what you said yesterday about getting overwhelmed by 3 enemies at once maybe learn to use it

Bruh, 2000 DPM can't even fight 2 tanks Lmao. You only can fight one at a time, and if you miss you basically wasted your time. This is why my win rate came down from the 50's, and the more you lose, the more you go bananas “🍌”. So it's best to get the buff (You obviously don't know tanks because if your DPM is at or over 2500 you can fight 2 tanks).

No tank can fight two at a time? Your point? of course if you miss you get punished you figured out how the game works congrats for you stop taking on too much you can’t handle

[leaden flare]

came down from 50s cringe
git gud, 60% plus or dont even bother talking about balance

dont blame your own failure on the tank espacially sub 50% already means you didnt get the core mechanics of the game right, your aiming, your positioning and probably your situational awareness are not good enough

[unique scaffold]

You probably just started tier 1 - 2 going in the front line then "Boom", "Boom", "Boom" and your destroyed over and over again. Im playing this game 3-4 years now so there's no need to explain mechanics to me. You can fight up to 5 tanks at once so do not even exclaim about that I've seen 5 vs 1 and he did win. (And I didn't ask anyone to comment 🤨).

[mental pasture]

But not much tanks can fight 2 players at the same time anyways, you're not even supposed to be directly in a 1 vs 2. I wonder why are you actually complaining.

Also, none asked about how much time you've been playing

[unique scaffold]

“Obviously you don’t know tanks if you have 2500 dpm you can fight two” yeah lemme just take on two T49s in a lekpz or centurion oh man I bet I’ll flatten them so quickly wait why am I being targeted

[leaden flare]

wanna compare ingame stats or smth ?
im already 200% sure im lightyears ahead of you and sorry to spoil your day but im in this game for over 4 years
and in total ive done 25k games spread over 2 accs with an avg Wr of somewhere around 66% and career avg of 2,1k so you cant tell me im the noob

the fact that you have no clue how to play says it all
you can basically look up how long ive been playing for ?
ever heard of Blitzstars or just look up my name in Blitz itself ?

[autumn zodiac]

Both of you try to keep away from shaming please. I don't care who started it but no argument gets any backing once it comes down to insults.

[unique scaffold]

No one needs to explain that, WOT/ WOTB is not how long you have been playing for. Even if someone says their playing for 1000 Y's (It doesn't matter 2 me).

[winged barn]

You guys need to give up. This guys knows everything already. His facts a irrefutable. Is2 would make a far better tier 8 than the is5.

[primal mountain]

I wrote a blog post about the current meta and its imbalance between the vehicle classes: https://blitzanalysiz.com/blog/2021-03-13_vehicle_class_imbalance

[autumn zodiac]

I'm already seeing a lot of "I believe" and "I think" in that page, which means a lot of your own personal opinion is getting mixed into your analysis

[leaden flare]

@winged barn lets open up petetion for WG to put his IS-2 from now on only into T8 and 9 battles xD

[primal mountain]

It is just the way of writing. You should judge it based on the data that backs up the conclusions. But what comes the ways of re-balancing (vs. the direction of the re-balancing), those are just my opinions as I clearly state there. Is there something you disagree with?

[unique scaffold]

Ok, I hope that “some” people understand that it's the DPM only.

@winged barn I have no idea what your talking about.

You mean Jagpanzer IV?

[pseudo hedge]

English only

[winged barn]

What are your thoughts on the jagpz4?

You know, the tier 6 with 3k dpm

No, I mean jagpz4

@fellow#4758 cat is still 500 dpm lower

[light ivy]

got a big nerf on dpm so now the hellcat takes the dpm crown instead
owki
that nerf made the nashorn better than jg because of the great pen for tier 6 and the good accuracy and maybe some mobility . and a little bit less dpm

@MayoNasalSpray [MSELF]#1254 you are playing a paper tank so your job is to snipe and hide in pushes and cover from HE's

@Master_of_the_larks#4864 Jackson is pretty good . doesnt need a buff, the armor works sometimes and the Gunn is accurate and the pen is good

[autumn zodiac]

Nashorn is large and basically armored with the reynolds wrap

Gonna be hard to argue it's better than JG

[winged barn]

RIP jackson.

Still confused why they buffed the hellcat up to what was op about the jackson.

[autumn zodiac]

If Nashorn had any form of viable camo rating maybe

But it doesn't

And the profile suck

[primal mountain]

@autumn zodiac did you actually read the post or just skimmed the first lines? You come in with quite steep angle.

[autumn zodiac]

I read the whole post the data being shown is all knowledge that's been known for many updates, and then concluding with personal balance changes to fix it doesn't sway my opinion any further

[unique scaffold]

AT-8 is perfect.
@autumn zodiac Nashorn is complete garbage. Armour might even be worse than the Sheridan's.

[autumn zodiac]

I can't imagine any feasible reason to play Nashorn vs. Jg pz. IV

You get better gun handling I guess

At the cost of everything

[light ivy]

and pen and maybe mobility
tbh I see it a fun tank that needs brain, and using brains is fun :3
it gives a taste of challenge

sorry but why slowmode is.... slow xd

[meager magnet]

Jg pz4 have every thing better and Nashorn should have a monster good gun but jg pz gun is more dangerous in wotblitz in my opinion 😔

[low cliff]

Forgive me for being absolutely stupid but since when was dpm an accurate measure of how many tanks you can fight at once?

[unique scaffold]

this is why I love the AT-15A.

Because this is armour inspector, and what your saying is unnecessary.

[winged barn]

uses pc models

Easy way to tell: no calibrated shell option

[dense walrus]

Haven't we already explained to you that PC and Blitz aren't the same?

[light ivy]

in my opinion theres certain tanks that just dominate the tiers they are at like from tier 5 there the bdr and t1 - 6 is meh vk 36H maybe - 7 nope - 8 Emil 1 - 10 t22 the premium tanks in the list I said doesnt need nerf .. why ? not everyone can get them but the t1 and bdr are hella everywhere

yess.... xd
I hope WG do something about the tier 5 hevs soon

[low cliff]

uses pc stats
uses a tier 6 tank against a tier 7 armored TD
all red

[hardy hazel]

Because it would be unbalanced, and thats how 183 should be

[pseudo hedge]

But the 183 Alphas are the same. Hes complaining about the Conway.

[winged barn]

@unique scaffold
PC top, blitz bottom. Definitely no difference

[unique scaffold]

@winged barn The armour doesn't matter if its whether PC or Mobile. What WOTB nerfs is the DPM, hitpoints, mobility etc... The armour “ALWAYS” remains the same.

Yes, @pseudo hedge .
Disprove what @low cliff ?

Yes, everyone knows that tiger I must have better armour lmao.

Ok, they modified 10% of the tanks only.

[pseudo hedge]

What ?

[nimble zodiac]

The fact you quoted it is just... what?

@unique scaffold his point is that Tiger I and Tiger II have very different armor profiles from PC to Blitz

[low cliff]

tiger 1 and tiger 2 would very much like to disprove that

[leaden flare]

he prob also believes that earth is flat after what ive read from him @low cliff

[winged barn]

@unique scaffold care to explain this "same armor" with your logic?

It's a bit lot more than just 10% bud

Sure, other than the armor models on pc being significantly more detailed. Basically every tank that has a curved surface has armor different from pc. The devs for blitz don't just ctrl+c ctrl+v armor models. They have to be rebuilt in lower quality so that phones with lower processing power than pcs can handle them. You really should at least try to fact check yourself before spewing out random garbage.

[unique scaffold]

Oh really, it's not every tank which is modified.

You cannot just say phones because you do not know what kind of phone it is.

It's RAM and the kind of processor which determines what graphics or programs it can withstand.

[low cliff]

If you haven't noticed already, this is WoT Blitz Official. Use blitz values here, not pc values.
Apparently you don't.

[unique scaffold]

@low cliff, Everyone knows that. 😶

@low cliff, All I needed to do is update the version, nothing to complain about.

@winged barn, And I said that only about 10% of the tanks are modified.

Yes, and?

[winged barn]

Apparently not, we have people running around and claiming them to be the same.

Allow me to quote you:
[The armor "ALWAYS" remains the same.]

Me: disproves you.

You: noooooo reeee

And you disagreed when I stated that you were wrong. Even though you are very, very wrong.

Why are you still acting like you are right? You are flat out wrong. Not anywhere near 10%

For example: literally every American tier 10 has a different armor profile between the 2 games (I could go on, but you wouldn't be able to comprehend it)

[frail cloak]

easy, nerf FV215B
apparently a FV215B can reload faster than a M48 Patton, FV4202, STB-1,
@vital basalt really? it cant sidescrape?

[vital basalt]

its a back turreted tank which cant sidescrape and only hulldown with -7 gun depression and you want nerf huh okay

[last shadow]

It's sidescrape capabilities are really bad tbh
The armor on the side is worthless against anything not medium

[unique scaffold]

WG tries to make WOTB closest to WOT so there's no way they'll change 80% - 90% of the vehicles.

Yes, with what I said earlier that they buffed/nerfed the DPM, hitpoints, mobility and accuracy to do so.

Ok then IS-5, show it.

[winged barn]

Except they don't. Give me literally any tank the 2 games share. I will show you a difference between them.

@unique scaffold name a tank in the supposed 90%

There you go

It's in #vehicles-discussion

Or was @ ing you not enough

[unique scaffold]

No that’s the exact opposite they specifically wanted to branch away from what pc does

[autumn zodiac]

Blitz is independent from PC

[mental pasture]

M-VI-Yoh and Ho-Ri lines are the proofs of how WOTB is trying to be different from WOT

Vickers too

[foggy aurora]

Along with the Vickers line

[last shadow]

And single tanks like the k91

[vital basalt]

Also KpFpz

[remote oriole]

PC is getting the K-91 in the form of the K-91-2 too now

[foggy aurora]

But it’s a tier 8 premium that is pretty much different to the one we have in every way

[leaden flare]

@mental pasture you wasnt obvious enough multi nation just says it all

[tight sleet]

So anyone know when they’re going to buff the vk 45.02 a

[nimble zodiac]

It'll definitely be a while

But hey while we wait let's enjoy that they're buffing the stock gun xD

[tight sleet]

Lol

[mental pasture]

I wasn't obvious enough.

Tiger 2 in WOTB have a completely different frontal armor profile from the Tiger 2 of WOT

[leaden flare]

it was a joke once again related to the yu gi oh or however its called and vickers which PC doesnt have and thats why i said not obvious enough since pc doesnt have the entire hybrid nation stuff except T55 which is in blitz HN and in PC idk german or russian

[twin egret]

huh? T-44 struggles?

[mental pasture]

With the 122? Maybe

[primal mountain]

Well, the FV215b is the 4th worst performing tier X tank already. How worse it should be? https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/7.7/tanks/10/heavy-tanks/#the-best-performing-tanks

[nimble zodiac]

"performing"

Based on WR only? The damage stats are great

[twin egret]

Your claim is totally wrong, the FV4202 has a 6.4 second reload at minimum compared to the FV215b's 7.4 second reload at minimum; all of those mediums you've mentioned have very similar reload times to the FV4202. You could at least do a bit of research before you make a suggestion on why a tank should be changed?

[nimble zodiac]

Careful when you say minimum
Though this isn't a practical way to assert the power of 215b, minimum still states a strict condition

[twin egret]

well idk, saying "Maximum" didn't really fit because it's about how low the reload can be

@nimble zodiac FV215b would just have a reload of 7.4 without the adrenaline consumableand adrenaline rush crew perk

[winged barn]

If it's what I think you are referring to, the jackson got murdered(rightfully so) rip its days of opness

You said the t44 was bad, but that was due to poor gun choice. Jackson no longer gets its op gun :(

[twin egret]

I didn't say it was bad lol, Russian T-44 is great

[winged barn]

You included it on a list of bad tanks my dude •_•

[twin egret]

@winged barn when

[charred radish]

Why is wargaming loading middle tier battles with bots and clueless toddlers?

[rare sleet]

Have you ever played fv215b? It's definitely not too good compared to the more competitive heavies in the game. The gun is one of the best things going for it why would you want to nerf it. If you have ever played fv215b You would not want the tank to be nerfed

Its hitpoint pool is lower than other heavies and relies on sand bags to increase
It's top speed is mediocre
It has no side armor, it has only a troll upper plate when angled correctly
Good Turret I guess, Mediocre gun depression at 7 degrees
Great Gun
Pen is average
Great traverse.
Speed consumable is great, but its a consumable.

@frail cloak I barely even play my fv215b because I perform much better in other tier X heavies I own. Why play something that performs worse?

[frail cloak]

Yeah of course if you have it you wouldnt want it to be nerfed -_-

[rare sleet]

Im actually speechless that you think Fv215b is too good and needs a nerf.. Holy you really think out of all the tier X heavies Fv215b needs a nerf?? Why isn't everyone pulling out an fv215b and clapping everyone why is the best performing heavies Is4 and Maus.. Huh this man has no clue
If fv215b recieved a gun nerf it would make the tank completely useless, no one would play it as it will be the worst tier 10 heavy tank in the game and won't have a competitive chance

[unique scaffold]

Good point

[frail cloak]

Bruh it has decent hull armor, upper plate is troll as hell, its gun has a 5-6 second reload with 400 alpha, it has decent turret armor
All im saying is to nerf the reload by 1-2 seconds

[rough hill]

its that time of the day for a vindicator buff repost again, shell normalization and 60 more HE damage when

[rare sleet]

Where are you getting this 6 second reload number?? The fv215b does not have 4k dpm

I don't run rammer on fv215b but with rammer fv has 7.33 second reload not 6s
I assume most people run calibrated Therefore most fvs will have 7.88s reload

[nimble zodiac]

It's with crew skills maxed in the perfect situation with adrenaline and stuff, don't take it seriously

[unique scaffold]

The gun takes 7 seconds to reload only 6 with adrenaline? 215b has the lowest heavy HP and ammo capacity the armor and dpm is the only thing holding it together

[frail cloak]

Eh the FV215B is a balanced tank to a certain extent, its good in face hugging and its gun is very good with its alpha and reload but I personally dont have the FV215B and I havent played it yet, only went up against them and it seems like the 215B is a very good heavy especially in 1v1's

@unique scaffold To clarify what i meant to say, the 215B is especially good in 1v1's not just random battles

[unique scaffold]

1v1s never prove anything..... your whole argument was pointless as you just admitted you don’t own it either....

[iron violet]

MM is a joke. Played 20 matches and my team loses on 17 of them. I was top 3 most of them

[nimble zodiac]

I know, so funny when somehow the 60%ers have that type of WR, almost like they played well enough to win, complain elsewhere

[iron violet]

Its a bs set up with unfair wins going to good players when its a team of almost 60%ers against half 50%ers and other half 40%ers. Sounds like free wins to pos stick up their rear players at the top. Its a unfair advantage.

[nimble zodiac]

Complain. Elsewhere.

[low cliff]

60%ers are 60%ers because they win 60% of their games. Crazy.

[full token]

There can be 50wr players with a 60wr 30 day. Ingame WR isnt the best way to know how good someone is currently

[buoyant glen]

Did they nerf the match? Stuck doing all the work in nearly every match the last few days

Like shouldn't they balance teams based on average damage? All I know is the teams I've been paired with these last few days have been absolutely garbage. Scattering and taking terrible positions against red teams that play at least half decently. The tanks themselves might be matched well but the player matching is garbage

[full token]

Teams are made to not be equal to each other because then that’s a bit less challenging. Weaker teams do get wins, though less often, but the MM is random in how often it’ll put you on the better or weaker team. So over time you’ll be on the strong team just as often as on the weaker team. How much you win can be dependent on you, so if you’re good enough you’ll get enough wins even from the weak teams

[unique scaffold]

Yeah but it is quite much impossible to win if three members are making 0 damage or shooting only one shot. Worst case 6. One thing I have seen on game mechanics is that if you play three very high damage games or one very high damage game in same tank. Next game it makes no damage.

[twin egret]

FV215b i not good at 1v1s tbf, it only is against certain types of tanks

[primal mountain]

What does average damage mean if the tank can’t win? Compare the average damage between TDs and other tanks, and the TDs have better average damage. Yet those won’t win games. Average damage, spot rate, average kills etc. are just proxies for the real thing, winning. I recommend you to grind the FV if you think it is that great. Then you can understand what you are talking about.

[nimble zodiac]

It’s not the tank’s fault at that point, it’s the unfortunate teammates the tank dealt with

[twin egret]

^^^ but then again it's kinda sus that it has such a low WR, if it deals a lot of dmg on average in battles, don't you expect it to also have a good WR? Or is it that the FV215b lacks any carrying potential when faced with 1 vs 2 or higher

[frail cloak]

to be fair any tank in a 2v1 would probably lose

@twin egret Dang were most one shots already?

[twin egret]

other tanks have an easier time with 1 vs 2's, I've one a 1 vs 6 in a T-54 lol

[sharp saddle]

Of all things, I didn’t expect to read a nerf FV215b argument.

I think he got rolled by an FV215b, and now thinks it needs nerfing

[twin egret]

mad cuz bad

[scarlet fjord]

patch the turret on the T-44

[stark sluice]

Hi

[scarlet fjord]

160 if u hit the gun
120 if u dont

[dark pike]

paper thin

[dusky oxide]

Why is the 121B getting such useless buffs? Whats the point of giving it 10% better traverse speed when it's already good and only makes a marginal difference in battle?

[rough hill]

vindicator buff repost moment, normalization of shells and 60 more HE damage when

[full token]

When they start balancing op premiums/collectors

[rough hill]

when they started balancing garbage collectors, ok bro tell me one part that's good about vindicator except the pen, armor?, t6 hts can pen, the huge cupola exists, gun? weaker HE than normal and 2* of depression, speed? do i need to say something

[full token]

Yes when they balance them, like the balanced Vindicator

[full token]

640 alpha isnt a strength? And 900 is the second highest HE alpha at the tier 👀

[rough hill]

you think having what other tanks have is a strength?, and it's the 2nd highest HE, not the highest, it really just doesn't make sense when a turreted heavy tank has higher HE damage than you for just 1 second slower reload

[full token]

I’m not going to compare the Smasher to the Vindicator because it’s a heavy and also is well known as an OP tank. Justifying a balance change using a tank that isn’t balanced doesn’t make sense to me. 640 is the highest single shot alpha any tank gets at tier 7. It’s not some useless stat. Rn you want it to be better at something compared to every single other tank in tier 7, or else it has no ‘strengths’ and so is a weak tank

[rough hill]

you think having the highest alpha that other 152mm guns have matters if your HE's weaker than them all?, su, a techtree has 960 HE too and more HE pen along with the same alpha, sure it has lower pen but it's way faster and smaller and has a better camo and it doesn't have 2* of gun dep, yeah ok it's "good" but it's no good if your opponent's behind a slight ridge, gl hitting them with 2* of gun dep and probably not penatrating since it has no normalization of shells, so if you hit tracks [ which you mostly will if you shoot the sides of tanks ], you do no damage, also, many other tanks have 640 alpha and it's nothing special

[full token]

Yes 640 alpha is good for tier 7.

At tier 7? Afaik only the SU152 and Smasher get 640, which isn’t a lot of tanks. I might be forgetting some but there’s not a lot of tanks with 640

[indigo knot]

I wish it got on the move dispersion buff and getting of fire and engine damage buff(engine dmg and getting set on fire is so much of a problem in it)

[round latch]

WG milking the game too hard they hate some tanks and then make more and more op tanks Nowadays youtubers giving buying advice rather than tactics

[rough hill]

still, there's more tanks with more advantages than it does, it's the worst of the bunch B)

[nimble zodiac]

Guys we need to buff Jageroo's HE to 1300 so it's just like deathstar

See my problem with that?

[split drift]

hello, i have a request:
that makes three months i watch five videos per day to have gold for is-6, and i realised that i need 152 days to have the money, is it possible, in a future update, to improve the amount of gold earned per video or the maximum of videos that can be watched per day (sry if my english wasn't really good)?

[vocal shard]

I highly doubt they’ll raise it tbh @split drift

[split drift]

i can try........ we don't know

[toxic nymph]

they won't increase the gold amount for ads, because wg has already added more ways of getting free gold. nowadays we have mission crates, clan mission rewards, and the free battlepass (boo) that all give a decent amount of gold but they require a fair bit of effort

[blissful vigil]

Why can't they just forbid Smasher platoons and Annihilator platoons? That would solve so many problems

[drowsy plaza]

Just make Annihilator like Sheridan Missile...

[vital basalt]

or just give it a special mm which annhi/smasher plats gonna encounter annhi/smasher plats aswell

[unique scaffold]

That exists already

[nimble zodiac]

Normal MM platoon matching

[scarlet fjord]

i dont really understand what WG are waiting for when it comes to balancing T28, Tortoise, T44, IS-3 etc

[last shadow]

It doesn't bring them money.

and yes, I'll keep memeing like this

[scarlet fjord]

i mean i would play the game a lot more if T44 and IS-3 were buffed cuz i would get something new and interesting to play again and i believe a lot of other players think the same so it kinda brings them game time

[vocal shard]

I absolutely love the T-44 and believe it can still be very competitive, but of course its pen is the only real downside to the tank.

[safe rapids]

Lol, if they just upped the pen by 10mm it would be perfect

[azure otter]

they'd rather make some new premium tank thats similar to T-44 with actually better pen than buffing it like that

[dark pike]

the t-44-85 has a thicker mantlet than the actual t-44

[vocal shard]

There's already the T-44-100 and the T 54 Mod.1, they're not making anymore variants at T8, hopefully....

The T-44-85 is T7 though, and the mantlet only real better thing about it (plus it has that decently sized cupola anyway)

[scarlet fjord]

T44's turret is 120 mm's in the mantlet 160 if you happen to hit the gun
so its pen isnt the only down side

[vocal shard]

True, but hopefully you're not sitting in front of the enemy, allowing them to aim on the inner part of your mantlet (the outsides are 240+)

If you want awesome armor, play the T-54 Mod.1, which sacrifices quite a bit for that armor

All of the defender tanks are jokes with how they're just better than their T8 counterparts (not sure on the AMX though)

[karmic portal]

Or the defender Mark 1 which sacrifices nothing for that armor

[dark pike]

old tech tree tanks still have the weird 0mm primary armor behind their mantlet meanwhile newer tanks have no such weakness

[scarlet fjord]

they just randomly shoot at me when i snap shot and pen the mantlet its butter to everything
the 54 lt wt literally has a better turret
which means its mantlet needs to be patched and probably some APCR pen buff
and this is a tech tree tank i cant just "get a mod 1" lol

[vocal shard]

I personally don't remember getting penned a lot in the mantlet, but am surprised to see how weak parts of it really are. I prefer the T-44 to the T-54 Mod.1 anyway because of its extra 2 degrees of gun depression, better speed, better dpm, and better gun handling.

[winged barn]

Its realistic to have no armor there. The whole purpose of the mantlet is to cover a hole that the gun and aiming devices are sticking out of.

I mean, now, yes. It used to at least try to follow how armor actually worked. Now, not so much

[dark pike]

sure but wotb was never realistic to begin with and certain tanks still have high amounts of armor behind their mantlet so its really inconsistent

[jagged crescent]

^

[deft owl]

@karmic portal Defender Mk1 is alright tank. Tech tree Centurion needs buff.

[karmic portal]

You know what bothers me, the t 44 85 has armor behind the mantlet but the t44 doesn’t. How is that fair, that a tier 7 has a better turret than a tier 8. Like the tank still has got weak cheeks, give it the mantlet at least

[nimble zodiac]

Unfair, the Conway has more turret armor than FV4005

🤷‍♂️

[rough hill]

nah

[safe rapids]

Sort of an odd question, but how would APHE ammo fare in Blitz. IRL it's basically AP with a small explosive charge, so more powerful than AP but nowhere near HE. Maybe as a sort of special/alternative ammo on tanks that had it irl, maybe....

[unique scaffold]

It’s worse than the two worse penetration and not much explosive benefit to an actual HE round

[twin egret]

that kinda exists? like for the ISU-130?

[ancient crypt]

Heres an Idea, WarGaming could create an Event Mode in WoT Blitz similar to the Skirmish Gamemodes in War Robots where everyone has the exact same Tanks(mostly Fantasy Tanks. this is where T49A could be,Predator UM and Vindicator UM could be lore friendly, Sturmtiger could exist, and perhaps a Boss P. 1000 Ratte or just chilling in the Background) and they choose 1,2 or 3 out of, say 5 to use in Battle and when they Die they can use Points to spawn in as the same Tank or just be a different Tank.

This is where you can put all the Pre-5.5 Low-Tiers(the Old A-20,T82,T28,D.W.2,Hetzer,GrossTrsktor, etc.) Or introduce new and completely Broken Vehicles to let the entire Community Test and rate/review them, this is just an Idea I had at like 1230 AM so it's probably dumb but its a concept yall can toy around with

[remote oriole]

To be fair I think the live test as it is right now is fairly pointless because it won’t tell you much you didn’t already know or could deduct from the supertest. Only if a tank is rolled out en-masse you can get any reasonable conclusions regarding the actual performance in the live server, which is why the open test (for new lines) is (in my opinion) a better tool than the live test ever was. Thus I would very much welcome a change to the live test, maybe even in the form proposed above (as part of a special game mode)

[dapper jetty]

It was nice to see you finally reduce the reload on kv1s by a couple of seconds. I hope that you will be able to do this for the kv2 but without the reduction in armor

[rough hill]

you think that kv2 deserves to get buffs, you THINK, if oneshotting most tanks wasn't enough WITH a turret

[leaden flare]

Giving every player access to live testing pls don't 70% has no clue how to balance most tanks and they get released broken

They also won't have enough staff to review tons of feedback if they'd even get feedback from half those players

And you'd loose all the curiosity of getting the tank if you already tested it

[rough hill]

its that time of the day for a vindicator buff repost, shell normalization and 60 more HE damage when, gotta keep reposting this till it gets buffed or i get kicked

[remote oriole]

They are being released broken anyways. Having everyone participate in live testing is not about collecting individual player feedback (at most you could make a survey, and as every good businessman knows, it matters more what 70% think of your business than what 30% think of it), but about their average performance, it would be effectively balancing by the same standards as already implemented tanks.

If you test a tank you might either know that you’re not interested or that you really want it, depending on how you experienced it when driving it. This is not a one-way route of ‘once and never again’ and will probably also increase customer satisfaction

[ancient crypt]

KV2 doesn't 1shot most tank....it could use a slight Buff, but there are Tanks that have needed one more for longer

[candid steeple]

Armor went up on so many tanks but KV-2 kept it's nerfed HE. I just got that to say.

[unique scaffold]

Aside from 5.5 not really even mattering much besides for new comers and old timers who got 20k+ gold out of it respawning is already a thing uprising and burning games a game mode like that sounds a bit boring when everyone has to play with the exact same tanks and nothing else it’s just normal matches but dumbed down and what does lore friendly have to do with anything? Blitz doesn’t care about real or fictional having a ratte in the background is just pointless hardware consumption

Should also note they hardly listen to the community

[rough hill]

wdym not oneshot most tanks, it's HE does 960 average which is already higher than most of the t6s, 640 normal round ap that can often reach 700 and oneshot t5s, hero, dude kv2's lucky to not have its HE nerfed to 900 from 960 like vindicator did, instead only its HE pen got decreased

[ancient crypt]

Lore Friendly means those Vehicles will be significantly better, and realistically they should be because they were designed over 28,000 years in the future.

Again, its just a Late-night Idea I came up with for WarGaming to add Broken Tanks in that could be really fun(Vindicator and Sturmtiger have 380mm Guns, give them the Stats those Guns should have and boom! MOAR DERP)

A Mode like this has potential, but it depends on what kind of Vehicles WarGaming uses for it if its ever implemented

[candid steeple]

You understand that there were records Sturmtiger knocking out 5 shermans in one blow. WG is never gonna add that caliber in the game. Tho Mod in PC with Sturmtigers happened once and it was not that fun bth. And explosions were nowhere near the one that was shown on a clip from WW2.

[unique scaffold]

He’s not talking about the sturm in mind he’s talking mostly about the Vindicator which going off warhammer lore the caliber of it’s gun isn’t even listed and it’s meant to transport super humans along with being made out of an indestructible material ceramite or adamantium I get that it’s late but come on man this just sounds dumb even for half asleep standards

[rocky yacht]

Vindi buff?
Edit : A-10 Warthog — Today at 3:54 PM
tell them to normalize shells and add 60 more damage
theyre going to think ur being sarcastic
if you say nothing

[nimble zodiac]

@rough hill actually, KV-2 often fails to one shot most tanks because of its indirect nerf through equipment in tier 5-6, either reducing its chance of HE penetrating, or reducing its HE damage

Also without those, it still takes gambles with such a high and unstable alpha

[full token]

Werent TDs limited to 3 per team? I just had 4 on one team

Nope just regular battles

[novel depot]

Were you playing mad games? You can have probably even 5 TDs or other tanks in a team in fun mode.

[rough hill]

chances are most people in t5 tanks don't know about the equipment and proceed to get oneshot

[candid steeple]

I mean KV-2 got nerfed because people were dumb and not because tank was OP.

[full token]

Yeah because tier 6 players arent the best

[remote oriole]

The tank was op because in context of the playerbase it could often have an uncomfortably high influence on the game, to put it mildly

[distant river]

Any tank that can splash for 300-400dmg reliably with no aiming is going to be broken, let alone with 960 alpha, 2.6k dpm with CS and 84mm of pen. Let alone with a turret and armour that can bounce.

Simple solution, remove the 152. The 107 is still a good gun just redundant when you have that broken 152 as well.

More complicated solution that doesn't annoy the pathetic sealclubbers as much, nerf the 152 to 560/490/640 alpha.

[candid steeple]

KV-2 with 107mm gun sucks. It's a gun for t-150 and stop forcing 107mm gun on KV-2. Nerfing KV-2 derp gun alpha is same as KV-1 with it's useless derp gun. KV-2 with 107mm gun has absolutely no pressure at all. I love to see KV-2 with 107mm gun in enemy team because that thing is useless for a tank that got no armor. Turret wont bounce. Just shoot a the sides next to the mantlet if you can't see lower part of the turret and with little rng it's a pen no problem. KV-2 using 107mm gun is like E100 using Maus gun. Go play E100 with Maus gun and WG delete 640 gun from E100 because E100 can play 128mm gun too.

[full token]

Ah its killable so its a balanced tank

[tribal moss]

Leave it as it is, after 5.5 you've successfully forced amateur players to be punished whenever they make a mistake.

[unique scaffold]

My base damage for the Tortoise is 300 - 500 so how did I deal 279 damage to the T32?

“Standard Armour Piercing”

Ik, but the damage went below the minimum.

[rough hill]

i dealt 625 on HE with object even though the max he damage's 575

[full token]

reactive armor

[leaden flare]

reactive armor lowers the incomming dmg, reading isnt that hard, it should say that in the description of reactive armor

[unique scaffold]

Ik of reactive armour stopping HE and HEAT not AP.

Yep, ok but he didn't activate that.

[foggy aurora]

At least show us the replay

[distant river]

@candid steeple The KV2 does have armour. The 107 is not useless, with best heavy dpm, 320 alpha and above average pen. "With a little rng" is a gigantic issue when the KV2 can out-trade you with HE splash and no aiming. It's also a gigantic issue when you have to aim to reliably hit the weakspots when it has 960 alpha.

@tribal moss Why leave it as it is? It is broken. I've explained why and you haven't said anything to the contrary. At that point you are trying to defend a broken tank which is stupid. 🤷‍♀️

[tribal moss]

Broken tank that gets shredded while reloading.

You're ignoring the fact that the Kv-2 is tame compared to the Hellcat, (bs reload and alpha) Jpz IV, Arl and Vk36 (imo). The Kv-2 is pretty much balanced as is, sealclub in the Kv-2 if u want but you'll always see more of the aforementioned tanks.

You still have a bit of hope when you face a Kv-2 that just fired, whereas you're dead in mere seconds when facing the others.

[unique scaffold]

Make me ask you a question, if someone has reactive armour, then why did It suddenly disappeared near the end?

Ik it's a consumable but it still had time left.

[full token]

This is a consumable

The other one is a provision, and is called Spall Liner

[unique scaffold]

Why did it disappear?

[unique scaffold]

Kinda nice idea

[distant river]

Yes "bs alpha" of... Erm what's that...? It's only 225? Ah yes that's horrible how dare a tank have that. I'm glad there isn't a tank with triple that.

The KV2 is not balanced. Here is a little example of why:

So, how do you kill a KV2?

1. hope you don't get one shotted when the KV2 isn't spotted and you are driving around normally
2. hope you find a KV2 alone that you can get to within 17 seconds
3. hope you don't get one shotted as you push the KV2 and that no other red shoots you
4. hope that he doesn't fall back to be in view of his teammates
5. hope you can kill him before he reloads

With CS that's 21.73 seconds to burn through 1007hp. For the hellcat (which you seemed to complain about) that's 5 shots, so 4 reloads which is 21.88 seconds (with rammer). The KV2 will win 1 on 1 engagements unless you happen to find a particularly bad driver who lets himself get circled. This is all assuming the KV2 is alone and easy to push.

See how stupid this is? You have to rely on the KV2 either missing or being an awful player to kill it happily, and even then you have likely taken 640 damage which is almost all your hp.

[tribal moss]

225 average alpha for a tank that reloads for 5.5s(?), it'll shred you pretty quickly.
Also, I'm quite surprised you didn't even bother to touch on the 3 other tanks, so there's that to keep this argument's timbers burning.

It's very rare (by rare I mean not that much, sealclubbers would prefer other tanks, you don't play a Kv-2 to raise stats when there are other tanks) to find a Kv-2 that can play well, it's pretty easy to circle thanks to its god awful traverse, the gun has shotgun accuracy so you can pretty much rely on it to miss quite a lot when circling the tank.

A hellcat on the other hand would be more likely to stay at the back, constantly clicking players and by the time you get to it, you've lost enough HP to not survive any more trades.

[full token]

Does it being rare change what its capable of? If you make it strong so noobs can play as well in it as most players play in some other average tank, you get an OP tank

[distant river]

"I only see bad players in it so it's fine"
🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Do you see a runaway winner in this screenshot below? That's not exactly what I would call rare when it's by far the most played tier 6. 72% hit rate is plenty when those shots are of 960alpha and basically a minimum of 300 splash.

But again for some strange reason you have to rely on it missing, which certainly isn't reliable. It's almost like it's unbalanced? Or maybe it's... totally broken?

And yes the hellcat has a brilliant gun, one of the best at tier 6, but it's still not good enough to win against a KV2 in a 1v1 which was your only suggestion at how to beat a KV2.

If you want I can dissect your argument that there are other tanks at tier 6 that are overperforming hugely so the KV2 must be fine, but it's a bit of a waste of both of our time.

(Oh and also the "bad players" who are all you see manage to carry it to 3rd best tech tree tier 6 for WR and second best for damage)

[tribal moss]

"I only see bad players in it so it's fine"
May be true, may be false but that is entirely reliant on which server you're on.

Look, I know there's a c*ap ton of sealclubbers out there, but you don't always see them in a Kv-2, there are other tanks they can play with and do better. You can sit in front of a Kv-2 and there'll always be the chance that it'll miss, the dispersion isn't exactly beautiful, but sit in front of the 4 other tanks and watch your HP drain.

And I turn to your Hellcat vs Kv-2 in a 1v1 statement, suppose the Kv-2 is indeed a good player and the hellcat is too, they both play the way they would e.g the hellcat knowing it can probably die in one shot and the other knows it can get shredded if it misses.

The Kv-2 sits pretty much balanced, high alpha for a reload that takes centuries and gun dispersion that makes your shell go 5 kilometres left/right of the target (which is often the case as its a Kv-2, its not a graceful sniper).

Quite frankly I'm disturbed by the fact that you didn't seem to mind the ARL/Vk36 at all which will win against a Kv-2 in any circumstance.

[candid steeple]

Again why would Hellcat go in 1v1 against KV-2? You are comparing counter to one tank as example. Good job there. You still got no arguments except that it has chance to oneshot someone which is hightly unlikely in this meta unleas it's tier V but it can't pen tier V heavies so there's that. I would rather complain of SU-100Y (of whome you can't bounce a shot), ARL with broken armor and unbalanced dpm together with pen, VK that has pretty much too much armor and okay gun, jagpanzer IV with 3000 dpm at tier VI and so on. I would rather complain at those tanks at tier VI while playing tier V then complain about KV-2. Yeah KV-2 can oneshot you but if you play correctly it will most likely not happen. I would rather be concerne about SU-100Y accuracy making you lose all your hp from a map away or not being capable of penning VK or ARL reliably from the front while they murder you with dpm. I mean which is more fun to play against. KV-2 which has million counters or other heavies that got armor that you can't deal with and can essealy kill you or higher tier mediums that will beat you regardless.

Also as a tier VI heavy and even as KV-2 you can esealy prevent KV-2 from penning you with HE. For mediums well you shouldn't be in front of KV-2 but pick it off from a distance.

[sudden path]

Kv2 is a good tank but people dont really try or arent very good at them so I'm not too worried about them

[hardy hazel]

Kv2 shouldnt be buffed by any means, in fact, it should get and HE alpha nerf, i dont mind the pen but the alpha is stupid for tier 6.
Also, ppl love spamming HE in that thing, thats why you ask for a buff, i have seen lots of players using ap and it was more efficient that way than spamming HE all the time, and yes, you can work with 100mm-ish pen in ap so, no need to spamm HE :thumbsup:

[distant river]

@candid steeple Okay then, what can a hellcat do against a KV2? Out trade it? Hope it's not looking? Oh whoops you are about out of options. One shotting a tank is not rare in the KV2 as everyone knows. As soon as arl angled it's paper, and when it doesn't angle it's turret is pretty weak too. Even so, it's still a great tank and in need of a nerf to be balanced. SU100y will not pen every shot, VK36 again is slow and with a meh gun but still needs a nerf. KV2 with dpm, alpha, a turret and very little risk unless played awfully.

But anyway please go try and find a counter to a KV2 that doesn't rely on rng or by swarming it with more than one tank.

@tribal moss Not probably, almost definitely. 848 max hp with basically only the gun preventing HE pens. 640 standard alpha at tier 6 is not balanced no matter what, and 960 alpha is a joke. Reload means a lot less when you have to expose a maximum of three times to kill a tank from full hp. The dispersion means very little as well because if you don't have the time to aim you can spam HE and get 300dmg no matter what.

The arl and the vk36 are both op tanks, but again when compared with 960 alpha with 2650 dpm and a turret and 84mm of pen they might as well be bad tanks. It literally just shows how op the KV2 is.

Both of your arguments are literally totally based off "bad players do average in this" and "it doesn't one shot people thatttt often" which are just laughable. Go get some stats and facts, or even better go get a viewpoint that isn't there to protect people who rely on the KV2 to feel competent.

[vapid surge]

The KV2 is basically a tier 6 FV215b 183. If it hits you, you're going to feel the pain, but the accuracy is garbage, the tank is slow, and it has absolutely no armor, plus the pen on the KV2 is trash too. I'm repairing my stats on my Hellcat, and whenever I see a KV2, I just wait for it to fire, then DPM it to death. It really isn't that scary of a tank if you know how to play.

[candid steeple]

Facts. I got 500+ games on Hellcat and KV-2 to each and I got oneshoted by KV-2 maybe 2-3 times in 500 games that I played. This games are from few years ago while KV-2 was in it's stronger state so it's pretty much meaningless to assume that KV-2 you will oneshot you every time. I got 60+% on both tanks so don't judge me.

Also this means that it's the time when Hellcat didn't receive this crazy dpm buff.

[tribal moss]

Mate honestly, that DPM is useless when you can't hit something straight, sorry to bust your ego on that one.

As you mentioned yes, the ARL has literal cardboard armour, the Kv-2 may have DPM but what is that when you reload for 21s and only do 300-500 DMG? An ARL would shred you in that time frame.

You rely too much on stats, the 4202 has 196mm of turret armour yet the entire turret is butter. The Kv-2 may have DPM but I'll reiterate that it does not always hit, and if it does its not always a guaranteed pen. The Kv-2 isn't broken, its literally balanced. Do bad and its awful, do good and its strong. All your arguments are based off of raw stats, nearly unaffected by battlefield events.

Other tanks may have much more reliable DPM than a Kv-2 does. Missed a shot in the hellcat? Don't worry, you'll have another one in 5s. Missed a shot in an ARL? Hang on buddy, nother one's coming. Missed a shot in the Kv-2? Dude, hide, you'll get shredded. In that 20s of reloading the Kv-2 is basically an armoured sitting duck, whereas the aforementioned tanks can still fight back with quite a sting.

[candid steeple]

I had few games where I would miss 5 shots in a row as KV-2 on a tanks completely in open sideways and pennable. You droll for hits to connect but rng just says"nope" repeatedly. At that point your dpm for lat 2-3 minutes of continuous firing is a fat zero.

So @distant river if you got a high wr on a tank that means that that tank is also broken? Good logic you got there. All of my tier VI tanks that I play are around 60%+ wr so I guess all tier VI are OP LMAO. Ah better for me to say thins but I last played tier VI for pleasure 2-3 years ago so don't count this crazy buffs in my wr count. Also I never player ARL or VK soooo.

[distant river]

Correct, except the KV2 has armour, a turret, dpm and higher alpha tier for tier. Again, you try dpming a KV2 with two braincells to death and you are screwed, and that's assuming the KV2 is alone. @vapid surge

@candid steeple "My stats clearly show how good the tank is" 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

@tribal moss You can hit things, you don't even need to aim because of the HE splash. Anyone with a brain is not going to splash when they are about to get rushed, so again for some reason you are assuming all KV2 drivers are brain-dead. The 4202 has 200-225mm of effective armour on its turret when using depression, which is paper just as the stats describe. The stats are the exact representation of the game, and if you think you can use them two much then you are quite simply clueless. 72% of shots hit compared to a maximum of 81% at tier 6. The 9% difference is more than made up for by the 300% bigger alpha wouldn't you agree? Oh and the KV2 also has better dpm as well. Oh, and that's not including the HE with 5 times the alpha and 56% more dpm.

But again you are back to "it might not pen" as your whole argument for the tank being balanced. It isn't a reliable tank that can survive on its own, but funnily enough in a 7v7 it doesn't need to be. For it's alpha the reload is stupidly short. You literally can't defend it and we haven't even talked about how stupid it is to be able to one shot tanks yet.

[rough hill]

or you hit and a entire tank turns into atoms, it aint so hard since its russian

[vapid surge]

None of that matters if it can't hit a shot, plus its armor is atrocious, it's incredibly slow, and if it misses a shot, it's screwed. I also don't know why you're choosing the most extreme example possible, why would a lightly armored and fast tank destroyer try and brawl with a derp gun heavy?

[candid steeple]

I must say KV-2 has to some hella good armor. Ah wait it doesn't.

[unique scaffold]

y arl is too strong have only cheak points around turret and all tanks must use gold ammo if must pen ! ARL 44 is most broken tank in tier 6 and decimate turnaments on variety of tanks on 7 arl vs 7 others arl

[tribal moss]

Sir your hubris is stupidly thick, I doubt my arguments actually go through, so I'll make this my last.

First off I'm going to quote one common bloody aspect that the Kv2 has; RNG and the dispersion values. The thing can't always hit and so what of your 2k DPM? That's a massive chunk taken out of it. You're also not taking into consideration the fact that you might dunk your shells in the dirt, you might hit a track or a gun or armour. That's another massive chunk taken out of your "2k" DPM.
Secondly, the Kv-2's armour is irrelevant against same tier HTs, Mediums and TDs, you're a Kv-1 hull with worse traverse and armour profile the size of a garden shed. Your speed is god awful. So much so that if you pick the wrong flank and your team leaves you behind you've got nothing else to do but raise your gun, because by god you can't focus when you're being circled. Which, on its own, is a wallop to your 2k dpm.
And finally, the same tanks I mentioned before can literally shred a Kv-2. While a hellcat may die within the first shot, if you take camouflage, terrain and other battlefield factors the odds are clearly in the hellcat's favour. It can peek-a-boom without worrying about damage. You can snapshot with a Kv2 but by god when you miss and you're facing a hellcat.

My only wish now is for you to take in these factors, rethink and complain about some other tank. Maybe the ARL.

But for now, good day sir.

[plucky current]

for me ARL balances itself w the others ARL and in tourney from what i saw there is a lot of ARL but never saw 7 arl vs 7 arl. Hope they won t randomly nerf it.

[crimson kestrel]

If you think the kv2 is op, you should delete the game

[wintry locust]

^^^^

[brave cedar]

KV-2 is a national hero in blitz community, how dare you suggest such things.

Besides it's not OP, it's literally a tank you play for fun.

[winged barn]

If you think the kv2 is op, you are the poor soul that I use as a shield before killing it. I suggest finding someone to use as a shield against them.

[blissful vigil]

Imagine bringing up that KV-2 is OP now when it has existed for a very long time. Clearly some people doesn't like fun

[remote oriole]

Ah yes, having to sacrifice a tank to kill a tank clearly indicates that the tank you kill is balanced

[deft owl]

@distant river Are we assuming 1vs1? Then Hellcat can out spot Kv2 all the time. Shoot, relocate, shoot, relocate. Do it until Kv2 is dead. Dont give him a chance to shoot you.

[scarlet fjord]

Please patch the 120 mm gun mantlet on the T44 and buff the premium penetration

[winged barn]

1 for 1 trade

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

1 allied tank dies, 1 enemy tank dies.

[remote oriole]

Not in a 2 vs 1 situation

[unique scaffold]

Hellcat is nothing to kv-2

[distant river]

@vapid surge It can happily hit shots, it's armour is not atrocious unless you sit in the open like a bot. Any what can the hellcat do apart from hope the KV2 doesn't look at it then? Rushing it is it's best chance.

@tribal moss 2.6k with HE**** and you will not miss an entire tank you will just splash them. Back into cover after out trading them and easy way to beat any tank. The KV2 does not just have dpm, it has crazy effective dpm because of its first shot alpha. It needs two shots to kill you, which is 20 seconds. Even the hellcat whose gun you cried about earlier camnot match that. If you are a hellcat peeking a KV2 you are screwed. That's just obvious. Oh and since when was one shotting tanks able to be balanced? Sorry it never was and never will be.

@deft owl 1v1 is the only way to kill a KV2 according to these poor souls, and in that relocating time where you are hoping the rest of the team don't shoot you the KV2 can go shoot other people for 1k dmg then get back to cover. The only reliable way to kill a KV2 effectively is to have a 2v1 which is again showing how stupidly balanced the tank is.

@candid steeple Yes vey good super easy pen no chance of bounce at all 👌🤦‍♀

[viral oasis]

type 61 is worse in every aspect than vickers cruiser

[tribal moss]

@distant river mate look, you aren't just honourless, you're also clueless, arrogant and quite simply deluded.

One shotting tanks has existed before jesus, as a veteran you should know about the T82 derp. On top of that the Kv-2 is in NO ABSOLUTE FRICKIN WAY OP, it's nothing compared to what it meets on the battlefield. Given the situation a smart hellcat player would know not to take a shot from the Kv2, so use distance and speed, speed is one thing the tank doesn't have.
Honestly I'm surprised you never cried about other tanks that can reliably pen you + do the same in a short amount of time, your delusion is hilarious that a Kv2 will win against a tank with DPM.

And even though you have provided a successful argument against the Hellcat, you're still gonna get your a*se handed to you by either a Vk or ARL.

[vital basalt]

yep seems pretty "op" to me,oh also dont forget the fact that it has the worst pen,worst hit points among tier 6 heavies,worst shell velocity with only 525m/s,almost the slowest heavy,worst camo rating but oh oh it has 640/960 alpha so its op yeah sure
and about armour,yea 75mm flat turret,80mm effective upper plate is "very armored"

[vapid surge]

Its armor is really bad, the hull is paper thin and the turret has huge weak spots.

What can a Hellcat do against it? Snipe it from a distance, flank it, get it to miss then DPM it to dead, circle it, use your team as meat shields, etc

[deft owl]

I think we should focus on Smasher rather then Kv2.

[full token]

That’s pointless because it won’t get nerfed

[unique scaffold]

Jesus Christ why do you all defend a slot machine so much? Same case with the 183 it’s not “OP” it’s “broken” it seems people have forgotten wargaming made a specific equipment piece for tier 5s because of the kv2 T82 ,Hetzer and other various derp guns were all removed because of seal clubbing and dominance in low tiers

[indigo knot]

KV2 is bad currently but it is still toxic in the games
Tho WG has nerfed it quite a bit....nerfing HE pen, buffing tier 6 HTs armour and HE dmg decrease in the equipments....
The thing with the KV2 is you don't play it for stats....you play it for fun to one shot someone so I personally think the state it is in now is fine

[deft owl]

T82 and Hetzer wasnt really dominating anything. Dw2 in tier 4 and Cruiser 4 / T46 / Keni Otsu in tier 3 were way more dominant then anything else.

Also with the slot machine logic I guess all russian heavies are slot machines too.

[full token]

They didn’t have to dominate. The one shots weren’t good for low tiers. I know it made me stop grinding some tanks when I was new, just because it was annoying to get deleted in one shot, and fun to be the one that deletes

[unique scaffold]

The fact that Wargaming is trying to cover the real reason to not nerf the Smasher and Annihilator by saying “iTs rArE” is a shady tactic. The real reason is because the same freaking playerbase had a meltdown on 5.5 and our PC counterpart decided to be whiny babies by crying about the Type 59, Super Pershing, and T-22.

[vapid surge]

I remember the DW2 being really bad in the game's early days, am I misremembering or did WG nerf it at some point?

[orchid grove]

KV-2 is overpowered. It's not just broken, it's overpowered.
The combination of medium tank DPM, massive alpha, and a fully traversible turret is ridiculous.
The fact that it can even potentially one shot enemies is just adding insult to injury.

In order for KV-2 to ever be balanced, it has to lose at least one of these things

[plucky current]

wtf no it s not bruh u just should add the t150 like in the good old days and let the kv2 as an unbranched tank that leads to nothing and the number of kv2 should decrease hardly and everything fine again

[sand wadi]

The lowe is amazing

[full token]

Like the Annihilator argument. It’s rare so it’s ok if it’s OP

[mental pasture]

KV-2 only exist in tech tree after 5.5 because it's the favorite kid of seal clubbers, otherwise it would become a collector since that time

The reasons are simples: KV-2 don't teach you anything about being a heavy (it have poor armor and it's only focused in the gun after all), it have a different playstyle from KV-3, KV-4, ST-I and IS-4, and until 5.5 you couldn't even research KV-3 with KV-2. If you think logically, it was a pointless tank, but if you think emotionally, it's an important tank because some weirdos likes to have 1-2k battles on it

[remote oriole]

No, you are not misremembering it. The DW 2 used to be fairly bad, but then one faithful evening WG decided to buff it to ridiculous levels. It then ruled tier four until the massive rework of 5.5

[plucky current]

actually no cuz annihilator is OP and kv2 isn't. kv2 souldn t lead to anything like before 5.5. And also kv2 isn t a smasher u can t compare it in any way to an Annihilator in term of effectivness/brokenness.

[brave cedar]

When people seal club at tier 6 they go with a VK or the ARL44 both of which are much much better and quite frankly OP in their own sense.

Never have I ever heard in my 4 years of blitz anyone suggest seal clubbing in a KV-2.

[mental pasture]

It does still, even if theres better heavies, the "KV-2 mains" (aka seal clubbers) will continue their job. WG "removed" the wrong tank after all.

If T-150 took the "KV-2's seat", we would resolve 3 problems; the "KV-2 mains" would decrease, the players will learn the IS-4 line playstyle since tier 6, and no more tier 6 hit killing tier 5 tanks

[vast relic]

practically, removing the KV2 is a good idea, but the KV2 is such an icon and symbol to the wot player base and veterans that WG would get SOOOO much flack for removing it. The best solution here would to have the kv2 as a seperate tank with no line leading off of it and putting the t150 in the is4 line at t6

[twin egret]

just get rid of the 152mm on it ez

[elfin marlin]

why the crying about the kv-2 can one shot you. it has always been this way so why trying to ruin an icon. first they ruined the 183 now you'll try to ruin kv-2. what is after that? the jageroo? just learn to avoid such tank in battle. kv-2 is well balanced. long reload time, bad accuracy, slow speed, slow traverse and full of weak spots to kill it. su100y and kv-2 itself can one shot this beast. a little hint: play the e25 and face hug the kv-2, you can kill it in a few shots while he can't shoot you better nerf smasher.... its reload is much faster than the kv-2s

[orchid grove]

You don't have to nerf the alpha on KV-2, but then it should either have limited turret traverse, or a substantial DPMnerf

[plucky current]

just to ask, how often do u get one shot by a kv2 ?

[unique scaffold]

@elfin marlin your name alone says why you don’t know much su 100Y cant one shot a kv2 and is extremely huge and thin for the tier it gets targeted easily and of course E25 can kill it if it gets close it’s extremely short 183 deserved to be ruined as it encouraged camping in higher tiers and hill battles hate to break it to you but kv2s been ruined and glad it will stay that way and why compare the jag 100? That things not a burden or issue because it’s fair for both teams and not a one shot that will nuke an enemy and then proceed to get nuked like the 183

[brave cedar]

The KV-2 as it is rn is fine imo.

[elfin marlin]

than you shoot on the wrong places when you play the jag. and btw, my name has nothing to do with this topic.. all i want to say to the cry babies who cannot avoid powerfull tanks, JUST LEARN HOW TO PLAY. you know where they are or going to. just stay low and stop yoloing

[orchid grove]

@plucky current Not often because I don't play much tier 6.

However, the problem isn't just that it can one-shot. The problem is that it has massive DPM, and a fully traversable turret with 640 alpha

[urban plinth]

wait the DW2 is considered good?

[unique scaffold]

Nah don’t use “JUST AVOID IT” argument because this video courtesy of Dear HRS shows he had every advantage possible here while the waffentrager with every disadvantage and guess what happened? With RNG and such things like the 183 you will get hit by it no matter what no matter where

[tight sleet]

Well at least it wasn’t hesh