tank-balance-discussion

[hollow fulcrum]

I have a question . WG has any email address where I can send my drawing? thanks take your care!

[twin egret]

#blitz-art ?

[scenic olive]

New tier 8 seems actually pretty good and enjoyable. Too bad its in crates

[slender latch]

I think a better heavy at tier 8 would be the Type 57 and maybe even Chi Se due to their consistency of being heavily armored and decent mobility. Also the T54E2.

[winter dagger]

T54E2 is similar consistently in terms of usability

[clear shuttle]

t54e2 is pretty much an all rounder tier 8
only thing it ig suffers from is its “low ish” dpm and traverse
but i feel those are negated by the rest of its capabilities

[winter dagger]

Suffers from the weak cupola where players with lottery level rng will hit it

[clear shuttle]

or its some emil with reticle active

[winter dagger]

🥲

[remote sluice]

fv215b is so insane i turned into one

[winter dagger]

assimilation

[hushed pulsar]

I really believe that the 452k's proposal is to be an IS3 in tier IX with a much better gun

[solid sequoia]

Bro is saying armor buffs on places that are already autobounce zones lmao, it literally wouldn’t change the armor profile

[hushed pulsar]

well, these areas are not automatic jump, and if they were stronger, it would be a very good tank in sidescramping, it seems that I was exaggerating in suggesting a buff on the tower

[charred heron]

Anyone suggesting the nerf on british mt hesh dmg nerf has zero clue that they are already limited by their lack of high pen premium shells

[slender knoll]

WGpleasy you can buff the PZ 38H ? because he have 0 mobility for 0 armor and 0 penetration thx

[hearty vessel]

Buff Type 59

[stone drum]

Yeah, that was scary to read ngl.

[keen current]

is teh smv cc-56 acutluay good?

[barren goblet]

Grind and forget tank

[ember idol]

It's meh, you'll probably won't remember playing it

The tier 8 is worth it

[fickle shoal]

Based

[charred heron]

I’m scared what WG will do to 50tp prot and Cent ngl, they are some best examples of how a good tier 9 tank should be

And I do hope Foch get the old single shot gun back, I was going to grind it before the change

[soft galleon]

add the ms-1

[nimble zodiac]

It's in tier 2, silly

[soft galleon]

i dont see the ms-1 but

[maiden inlet]

Доброго вечора,підскажіть будь ласка шо трапилось з клановими завданнями?
В мене вже третій день скидуються завдання?

[winter dagger]

Cent is at best alright for tier nine meds, it's a little big and Slow, if they hard Nerf 50tp prot or change it weirdly I'll be pissed

[solid sequoia]

50TP proto needs a hard nerf lol, it’s the second best tier 9 heavy

[charred heron]

Maybe, I can wreck tier 10 heavies with my Cent (flanking ofc)

@solid sequoia no, 50tp prot is far from op, if anything that needs a nerf its 752. And better yet buff other actual underperforming tanks like m103 instead of ruining a perfectly good tank for no reason

[solid sequoia]

I agree that 752 needs a nerf, but that doesn’t stop the 50TP prorotype from being absurdly strong lmao.

[burnt venture]

50TP proto is basically purely played by good players because it's never been sold, only in the clan event

And pretty much only good players can get anything out of that tank in the first place

[wicked quest]

I see your fresh aren’t you

[soft galleon]

fresh?

[charred heron]

I’m not denying its strength, just not so strong that it needs a nerf. There has to be some tanks that is better than others

Not to mention Synx’s point, it affects overall avg performance of the tank in some degree

Again how about we just minimize the power gap between the best and the worst of tier 9 by buffing the underperforming ones instead of ruining tanks that is perfectly fine?

[solid sequoia]

The tank isn’t perfectly fine though, it’s overperforming across the board. It’s essentially right below the 752, which also needs a nerf. I’m fine with buffing tier 9s that are underperforming, but nerfing ones that are overperforming is just as important.

[charred heron]

For me 50tp prot is far away from 752. The good synergies across its stats is what makes it strong, imo nerfing any one of them and its performance will drop too much.

The tank already suffers from a rather low dpm for tier 9 heavies, but it’s still strong

I will at most agree for removing tungsten and slight hull armor nerf, that’s all

[solid sequoia]

The synergies are what make it strong. A good gun with tungsten added on, insane mobility, and it still keeps reasonable armor. A balanced tank has to give up at least one of these, why should the 50TP Proto get all 3?

[charred heron]

Exactly, that’s why those what I would reluctantly agree on nerfing, but not in a devastating way / hard nerf like what they planned for amx m4 54, just remove super consumables and leave the stats alone.

Also I would agree on nerfing 50tp proto if other tier 9 tanks can also not struggle too much against tier 10, but unfortunately they kinda need stats like 50tp proto to survive against tier 10 now

[icy furnace]

50tp proto has no armor whatsoever, should have specified hull armor, turret has armor

[solid sequoia]

You clearly have not played with or against the tank, nor have you looked at its armor profile in any way.

Even the hull has wacky angles that make the armor really effective

[charred heron]

Tbh the upper hull do have a massive driver hatch thing as a weak spot, but ppl refuses to shoot at it for some reason

[fickle tinsel]

k91 absolutely should not be buffed

[fickle tinsel]

the tech tree 50tp is honestly way underrated. I may be biased though because i have 5 games in the tech tree 50tp @ 7000 wn8 and 4500 average damage

[stone drum]

Yeah, same for AMX 30 1er, T-55a, and KPZ-70. They are all performing way to well. What sense does it make for kpz to perform better than E-75!!!?

[fickle tinsel]

icl the jumps in performance from t8 to t10 meds is really hilarious now. imagine +2 mm with a sub 2k dpm t54 mod 1 going up against a leopard 1 with adrenaline

or just any t8 med/td getting full healthed by a 4005

[winter dagger]

Second best when used correctly, and really it's only op against tier eights, tier tens will just shrug you off sometimes, while the 752 legit plays like a tier ten, just at tier nine... While it also faces tier Eights. 50tp prot suffers from same issue as strv k, only good players make it shine to be one of the strongest tier nines

[charred heron]

Yea honestly the 50 tp is perfectly fine for now and shouldn’t be rebalanced and tier 9 overall is somehow quite balanced except for M103 and Conq, they are just so bad

[queen geyser]

Emil II be like

[winter dagger]

I mean they should remove super consumables on 50tp prot, because at least it'll "Nerf" it to make those that want a Nerf happy

[charred heron]

Tungsten removal for 50tp Prototyp is the only nerf I would agree on, reluctantly

[void siren]

Emil ii has the 1200 damage potential

[queen geyser]

kekw

[twilit crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511476939429642257/1159951403511468042/image.png?ex=6532e3ed&is=65206eed&hm=f877c36e4023a0b099dddc5feaaaed5c999060ecfeb4c971632a63d655656948& stb op bois

[stone drum]

Conqueror doesn't really need changes, it's already in a almost perfect spot. A godly gun on a decent châssis. The only change I would even consider would be slightly better gun depression, but that's in no way necessary.

[mortal falcon]

The last time wg asked for the community's ideas, it was the sheridan missile

before that, it was the Foch 155 double gun

both times were disasters

[winged barn]

They asked for ideas on the missiles?

What? The discord was lit on fire in order to get them removed lol. They were forced, not asked.

[winter dagger]

turret can be penned by tier eight meds?

[solid sequoia]

You can hesh them?

[mortal falcon]

You don't remember prior to that? People realized it was a bad idea only once it hit 😩

[winter dagger]

try to hesh a cent mk1 when its facing you cause it pens conq turret easily

[solid sequoia]

I mean okay

[winter dagger]

Top plate has spaced armor IIRC, and hulldown the cent is superior to Conq. How am I trolling? Cent mk1 can bounce if conq shoots mantlet, and you won't be sitting still for conq to shoot apcr into cheeks Either. Let me specific its cent mk1

[solid sequoia]

It doesn’t lmao, and now you’re just trolling. Conq can bounce if cent doesn’t aim well, and conq can literally just push the vent and have 0 issues dealing with it

[stone drum]

Before doubleshot gun, foch was a pretty awful and completely pointless tank.

The community never asked for the tanks to be gamebreaking. (Although foch wasn't horrible)

[mortal falcon]

False on both accounts. The Foch was completely fine with its single shot. It was unique and fun.

The doubleshot Foch was horribly overpowered. Cue 215b/Foch meta. Super consumables also made the 215b overpowered back then and they have never had a place in the game. Yet the community loves them, surprise...

[harsh ravine]

The Foch was not fine with its single shot. It was seen as a worse 268 when it was first released.

The Conqueror’s capabilities are overrated. I might as well play the Polish heavies (which have tungsten) or even the IS-8 for the gun and mobility. HESH is only useful against tier 8s. Tier 9s are often uptiered than downtiered because the player count is simply lower than that of tier 8 and tier 10.

I was replying to @stone drum about the Conqueror

Even right before they added the double shot, I don’t recall the Foch ever being particularly ‘okay’ when it only had the single shot gun. It was often seen as mediocre.

I would say however that the initial release Foch is way better over whatever garbage iteration the Foch is currently in right now.

[mortal falcon]

Talking time period immediately prior to double shot gun.

And I have no idea where I mentioned the Conqueror.

[stone drum]

The foch with the singleshot wasn't unique at all... nor was it fun. It was just a boring, generic td with no place.

To this day it is the same case, The doubleshot is the sole reason to play foch, the singleshot is as it has always been, utterly pointless.

@mortal falcon It wasn't a "new mechanic gimmick" it was literally just a downgraded 268 with literally no unique abilities or advantages.
I also love how you say "false" about a subjective opinion as though it were an objective fact. It quite frankly sickens me.

I'm so tired of these chittering apes.

[mortal falcon]

I disagree on the first assessment. It was plenty unique. You don’t need “new mechanic gimmicks” to make something unique.

[stone drum]

I just am worried about Conqueror getting its beautiful gun nerfed, I Personally wouldn't trade a single stat on the gun for more armour.

[rapid basin]

More pen, 290mm heat pen is awfully it barley pens anything

[winter dagger]

It's tier ten med prem pen Lol, but Emil needs turret armor like a crap ton of turret armor buff

[rapid basin]

I'm not wasting 400k for something temporary and then it's 320mm wich isint bad

[wicked quest]

Temporary? You know upgrades are permanent

[rapid basin]

Not after you sell it for the t10

[stone drum]

To be fair, tier X mediums have pretty horrendous prammo pen for some reason.

[wicked quest]

What.
If you buy upgrades for any tank their permanent you

You know this right?
Edit I’m realizing he’s saying Emil 2 is temporary if you aren’t even buying upgrades for that thing what makes you think your breezing to the kranvagn

[main tulip]

even if you are selling the tank when you reach the next one, you'll be in the tank for long enough that it's worth spending the credits so you don't suffer through the grind. And the performance upgrade is significant enough that you might earn some of those credits back through having better games.

[rapid basin]

I'm poor

[winter dagger]

Then there's the Sheridan with 340 heat xD

[stone drum]

Just like how leopard has 330 heat...

[winter dagger]

and e50m... and american meds... and t62a... 330 heat is on a lot of meds, some unfortunate ones dont get it

@drowsy plaza depends on the playstyle, like e50m benefits from cs more than leo

[drowsy plaza]

If you run CS and take the DPM hit.

[remote sluice]

conqueror should get 10 degrees of gun depression, everything else can stay the same

unrelated but 215b should get 10 degrees of gun dep on the side too, i dont see why it shouldnt.

[winter dagger]

gun would clip into hull?

[remote sluice]

to the side and rear, the frontal gun dep stays the same at 7 deg

[stone drum]

I don't understand why people pretend like sheridan has this insane heat pen, 310 is decent, but nothing exceptional in the grand scheme of tier X.

@winter dagger it wouldnt tho... you could easily give it 10°. You could probably do about 12-14° before you might start clipping into the hull.

[clear shuttle]

wargaming would give it 8-9 at most

[winter dagger]

they had a history of hating on 215b but if they do that i'll be hapi

[clear shuttle]

imo give it a little bit more side armour then it’ll be fine

[slender latch]

50tp doesn't need a nerf its balanced for what it is. Good players just get to capitalize on its abilities like any other tank.

[winter dagger]

its more rewarding than other tanks if you do manage to capitalize on it

[fair pebble]

Buff kpz 50t 🤣🤣🤣

I’m just kidding it’s broken af

[winter dagger]

super duper fantastic tank, but not broken yet, thats more like stb

[remote sluice]

so this is some of my opinion on how the 13 tier 9s that are getting changed should be like

• foch should get 15-16s full clip reload time to make the dpm usable
• wz-114 could use a bit more dpm tbh
• vickers cr desperately needs the 2.5k dpm back, maybe even more now that it’s alpha is nerfed
• 50tp proto doesnt need the tungsten, other than that i dont have too many problems fighting it
• type 68 i feel like it’s already a rlly good tank so i dont have any suggestions for this
• i dont have the regressor so i cant comment
• e50 could use a lot more armor, maybe as much effective armor tier for tier as the e50m
• obj 752 needs an alpha nerf to 400, have less dpm but in exchange get better accuracy. front plate of that thing should be made weaker too
• leo pta is good tho? but any buffs for it is welcome
• obj 452k could use an accuracy buff and maybe 470 alpha? debatable
• skoda t50 can have 2.2s intraclip
• dont have char futur 4 and i havent fought against it enough to have a say
• cent 7/1 is balanced imo, dont see how it can be changed
• t54e1 should be converted to a heavy tank, have it’s upper plate and turret armor buffed so its armor profile is similar to the t57 heavy’s, and have it’s alpha damage buffed to around 360
• tl 7 120 could use more speed if they want to make it a heavium
• mauschen cheek armor should be improved, cupola armor slightly improved. dpm should be slightly buffed too

[winter dagger]

foch needs a single shot gun option like tier ten foch, just like before they violated it with the crap double shot

[remote sluice]

yesss that too, i forgot abt that 💀 there’s rlly no reason not to give it the single shot back

[candid vine]

meow

[storm sleet]

I'm new to the Discord server. But i wonder where to vote for the rebalancing of tier IX? The most played tank is Waffenträger auf Pz. IV so that's definately something to look in to when the win rate is so high @52% and 3200 games

[remote sluice]

i get ur point, but the waffle got nerfed twice in the past year already (alpha on the big gun went from 640 -> 600 -> 580), so yea id rather they leave that tank alone now instead of changing it again

[storm sleet]

Okay then second tank to look carefully at 1200 games and 53% win is T92E1

[clear shuttle]

wt is fine as it is imo

[silk root]

I'm curious as to people's thoughts on adding a new mechanic/consumable to each new line that comes out. How effective is adding super consumables, tracer shells, combat stabs., etc. instead of the more (once) usual ways of balancing a tank, at making fun, fair, and unique vehicles?

[clear shuttle]

as long as they make it a balanced mechanic idrm
imo the cs would of been better off getting some dumb mechanic than getting overloaded with super consumables and special provisions

[lone sandal]

i love a7x but it's just 8 games

[gleaming apex]

daernest was banned.

[iron cypress]

[lethal fox]

Eyy guys how is the Maus currently?

[uneven turtle]

Finally good against most MTs since they cant pen u as reliably but other than that i would say fighting it feels the same

[winter dagger]

Real bunker

[wild kiln]

the kv-2 has the long reload that when you drop the milk from the fridge, you go out and buy some, more it takes you 1000 years and the reload still isnt done when you get back

[stone drum]

Agreed, imo both the tier IX & Tier X should have an optional 120mm gun.

@winter dagger I honestly don't really care about that, I mean Foch was literally designed around the 120mm gun. It was called char de casemate 120mm afterall.
In in my eyes the 120mm will always be the proper gun of the foch.

[winter dagger]

Tier x with 120mm gun is a little strange when it's called Foch 155 lol

[soft galleon]

add the t-72A on ussr tech line

[winter dagger]

The what

[soft galleon]

T-72

[winter dagger]

I need to search that one up

[nova latch]

Tortoise: adding the improved super speed boost consumable also buff the guns dispersion ( the 120 mm one). Agreed to this changes?

[winter dagger]

Tortoise: don't change, make gun on move dispersion increased slightly

[neon vector]

WG butchered IS 7 top speed

[quick lichen]

It’s still fast lol

[hollow juniper]

Conqueror should have better turet armour and upper plate

[stone drum]

While that may not be an excellent option, their are some early pre-production & prototype variants that could be considered.

[lethal fox]

T72's way too busted, even the early models or prototypes easily had 450 mm+ turret armor, and the upper glacis too is impennable to everything in the game. Not to mention the near light tank speed + 125 mm gun that probably has 480 damage.

[ember idol]

We don't even have the T-62 with the 115mm and folks are already asking for something 2 generations ahead

[cunning socket]

Never reached its top speed anyways…

[signal tide]

Hello

[stone drum]

The hell are you reading.
Object 172m would be perfectly fine in blitz, lol.

[sage geyser]

what tier x meds are best after 10.3

[twilit crystal]

leo/140 for raw dpm. t62 has a good mixture of armor,profile, and a gun. stb-1 is consistent. Its dpm is a bit low but it can maintain that dpm while fighting heavies frontally and have more pen than most meds running rammer. Batchat is solid as a light as well

[sage geyser]

which one to use in tournys, stb still king?

[solid sequoia]

STB hasn’t been used in ages, and probably still won’t be used for comp

[twilit crystal]

stb turret armor isn't really reliable enough for comp and its fairly slow for a medium. Its dpm while flanking is also pretty bad for a single shot which means when its all in rush time the stb 1 is falling behind . its just a solid pub stomper

[winter dagger]

And ratings machine

[main glen]

I hope that they start rebalancing lower tiers like tier 7 and 8.

[fickle shoal]

Chrysler XM-1 when 🤭

[stone drum]

Sure, why not?
(Should probably continue in #general-blitz-discussion)

[lone sandal]

remove t57s turret armour or intraclip boost

[stone drum]

T57 doesn't need another nerf... 💀

@winter dagger wouldn't say that, but it's definitely worse than kran now.

[winter dagger]

T57 is worse than AMX now unironically

[scenic prairie]

Get f215b some armor

[thorny timber]

It always had horrendous Armor,the whole line pretty much did,it makes use of speed more than armor

[clear shuttle]

speed and gun

[nimble zodiac]

Speed?

[clear shuttle]

gun*

[remote sluice]

the 215b has always only had the gun, now it has a little bit of speed too. i like to see that

it only needs more depression on the side and rear and maybe 15km/h reverse speed

[fickle shoal]

<@&481447501690568709>

[thorny timber]

you might as well as rely on top speed to flee with more than hopes of getting a bounce on your hull,it's not the best but it's definitely good for a heavy

[slender knoll]

WG please buff the pz 38H because its impossible to play

[jovial relic]

In my opinion, that may differ from yours, I think that all super heavy tanks from German tech tree are horrible. And why?
Let star with maus, heaviest tank in the game and the tanks that is supposed to have most armor. Is that actually true? Not really, and why?
If we take a normal shell, what we will see? Gray turret from sides and gray armor plate between tracks. It may sound that it is already good, because you can assume correct position and play from your board. But the tank dispute having good armor plates still have a small (not so small) piece that is easily penetrated. Another option can be clinch with little turn of your turret, but you know one thing? Pick golden shell and all the armor will become gray, I am speaking about upper armor plate. So, I have a question, we have the heaviest tank in the game, with actually no armor. If we take for example new Japanese have tank whose mass is nearly 1/3 and it still will be much more difficult to penetrate even by using gold ammo. How does it work?
Okay, maus is outdated, agree but what about E100?
Here the situation is even worse, because the holes on your armor are even bigger. Yes, you can play from you board, but you still be penetrated in your turret, who is bigger that 95% of the tanks in the game. So we deep respect I ask, where is armor?
And what about VK72.01K?
Well the situation in the front armor is much better, you have only a little line where is penetrable, however it is small, and it not as easy to get in. However if people take gold shells it would be easily penetrated in the turret and low armor plate (between tracks). So it could be logical to take a position from the board. But there is a huge problem, it is easily penetrated even from basic ammo, I tried hard and from 10 shots that my friend made from British heavy tank with 259 pen al dealt damage, we tried many times different angles but the result is the same, you are penetrated. So what do we have?

[clear shuttle]

the vk 72 is cracked rn

[lone sandal]

"so what do we have for vk72?"
we have a 2.7k dpm tank with 2.7k hp that has access to tungsten and type 71 equipment.
vk72 is objectively a really good tank right now

[clear shuttle]

nutty traverse

[remote sluice]

e100 is also rlly good, angle it and sidescrape and its gonna work well. also gun is mega punchy

[rugged slate]

Pls buff the armor of the 50 tp prototype

[winter dagger]

The traverse makes it a pseudo type 71 cause armor buff too

[clear shuttle]

yeah it dosent help it can sort of wiggle like one now lmao

[soft galleon]

add more on bt-7

[quick lichen]

@winter dagger language.

[winter dagger]

Oh I guess I can't say that on a game for two year olds, my bad. Looks like I'll continue a very normal discussion with other normal people elsewhere

[slender latch]

What did you even say lmao

[winter dagger]

Let me DM you the word

[ornate warren]

Exactly mate

And also,

@jovial relic My apologies mate , but imo opinions such as yours are basically the main reason why we got tanks that cannot be penned from any angle without gold or maybe even with gold. Type 71 , minotauro , badger can be great example for this.

[white peak]

Nerf t30 shell velocity to 650 ap
400 to he and heat
Nerf pen to 230ap and add 330mm heat
Nerf dpm by 200
And buff hp to 2400
👍

[remote sluice]

blud rlly wants a tier 9 caliban 💀

t30 is fine as it is and it does not need anymore rebalances

[white peak]

There's more to it
Hull armour buff to 200mm/120/70 plate
Turret armour buff to 320 front
120 side/200 rear
Reverse speed buff to 15km
Hull traverse buff by 6 degrees
Gun depression nerf to 8

[ornate warren]

So whats the purpose of doing all this ? @white peak

[ember idol]

This has to be a troll

[winter dagger]

I would like t30 to have fine tunes to the turret hatch, make it slightly weaker, and improve acceleration on the tank overall, and possibly make the hull as good as t29 hull at least, since t30 hull is the unbuffed t29 hull from back in the day. Maybe reduce hull traverse and slightly decrease on movement dispersion

[main tulip]

none of those tanks are even about the armor. They all serve a different purpose than simply trying to bounce as many shells as possible

[burnt venture]

T30 should not be as fast as heaviums in a straight line, that combined with the HP buff caused the tank to be way overcooked.

The roof changes were also stupid, the entire roof was overmatchable and now it's autobounce.

[winter dagger]

Not heavium fast, but decent speed like the American heavies, and also hatch Nerf gotta happen, too "bouncy". Having a easier weak spot with a hull that doesn't get overmatched as easily in every angle will balance that change I proposed. And hull traverse Nerf to make it more of front line heavy td rather front line heavium td

[burnt venture]

It can't reverse or traverse, but it certainly has no issues keeping up with heaviums and is even faster than them on roads

On city maps the T30 is legit chasing down mediums

[winter dagger]

Why is it 38, I thought it was 34 💀💀 DAM THAT ENGINE POWER

[stone drum]

Who cares, as you know it Literally can't turn.

one of the worst traverse speeds for a tier 9 if im not wrong.

[muted thicket]

can we balance the IS-4 again it sucks now :((

[forest ridge]

make it a tier x is8 or smt

[lone sandal]

they just need to buff 3 things slightly
base dpm, base engine power and otm dispersion

[muted thicket]

wait IS-8 armor ain't that good how come you want to change it to tier X plus I want to know why Chinese pike nose tank are very weak frontally why just like 110 mm

[clear shuttle]

as in i think he wants the is-4 to be a tier 10 is-8
which imo wouldn’t fit seeming the 260 has always been more similar to the is-8 than the is-4

[solid sequoia]

It doesn’t suck lol

[velvet parcel]

I stopped playing with IS 4. Don't play with any tank you no longer like; in the end, they'll refund because that's how they lose players

[stone drum]

30b is still worse than leopard 1 and stb-1

[wispy leaf]

return the old gun on foch 155 with the 7s interclip , i dont like the current one , same as the T9 give back its okd single shot. 💀

[remote sluice]

true, tho the foch is quite strong now imo, it’s still boring. there’s nothing wrong w the old gun it has idk why wg would want its 155mm gun to only do 10 more damage than the mino’s 130mm gun

[gaunt mural]

I dreamt that WG gave TVP T 50/51 500hp of alpha with an interclip of .5sec and a mag. reload time of 50 secs, and added 2 extra shells to the mag.

[wispy leaf]

i just want my foch boy to be back as it used to be , but maybe slightly more armor

idk why , but i think the kpz 70 should be a T10 , just give it a 640 instead of 560
with better turret armor with worst mobility
still waiting for T9 pbr tanks like Is8 , Kpz 70 , n the whole hori line

[lone sandal]

every med is worse than stb

[lean siren]

WT Auf Pz 4 has to be back as it was in the old days. No more Spoon Liner as this tank has to be a juicy target for HE (precision for noobs), add better mobility with better horse power ratio, increase backwards speed up to 20-25km/h, eventually add a slightly better dispersion and tungsten shells. Idk why Jagdtiger has it… with its gun and armor…

[slender latch]

That would be more op than it having spall liner

[fathom glacier]

They lost players since 9.1 or 5.5 because of balanced tanks. Low tiers were the best thing and now very bad thing that we don’t want. Und wg never listened us that we didn’t want when they changed X of 9.1.

[merry pelican]

Is 4 just need more turret traverse.

[velvet parcel]

I'm sorry, it's frustrating. Just see who's managing the group here, and you'll understand there's no point, because they always say you don't understand. They listen to players who have some connection to the game's managers. And it's always for the benefit of that team, whether it's not good for them to be against this tank or vice versa.

[lethal fox]

Lmao I got "muted" rebalance ideas, why what's wrong with the E75 not needing any changes, and yes its true many Tier 9 HTs that were implemented across the years powercrept the OG german HT a bit, not that bad though, but the E75 has held very firmly against the newer tanks... then their's people saying the obj 752 needs buffs, lmao, and who ever muted me does not have a problem with those people.

[unique scaffold]

Buff e75

[weak glacier]

Buff Conqueror's armor, turret's just paper.

[wet parcel]

Nerf IS-8 and Obj. 752 side armor, that thing keeps bouncing shells that wasn't supposed to, already lost a lot of HP because a shot on the flat side of Obj.752 and it bounced.
It's so annoying, I know it is a soviet characteristic, but it is so ridiculous that doesn't even make sense, if I'm playing T8 and that thing bounces on its side, my match is ruined

[solar pebble]

I think aside from balancing T9, they should more focus on T7-T8 as well

[long light]

Yes thats true but making rebalances from T10 to T8 (skipping T9 rebalances) is kind of weird,

Straight up 10 then 9 then 8 is more logical

[silver tartan]

Add Tungsten in E 75 and E 100, It has big gun

[clear shuttle]

add tungsten toevery tank pls

[knotty tiger]

Hmm give some underrated t9 tanks some better changes like wz 120 since 5 degrees doesn't help make it like wz 121 but keep the pen and the reload of it also make the turret a bit better and gun depression about 6 so it can perform a bit better on specifically

[fathom glacier]

I didn’t mean about game‘s managers. I meant about tanks that players loved.

[lethal fox]

To give more sauce to the game give some Tier 9s and 10s 2nd viable guns that compliment their fighting style but work very different from their current guns (example maybe giving the E75 maybe a 105 mm L/68M which may have the same pen, less damage, higher RoF than the 128 mm, which gives the E75 players another way to play the tank while not deviating too much from the all around heavy tank the E75 is made to be.

[velvet parcel]

I'm explaining how the changes occur. Remember, as soon as you stop playing with the tank, there's a problem for the game administrators to explain. Later on, the player stops playing the game altogether. The game starts asking questions, and if no change occurs, the game slowly loses its activity. Remember, you as a player are more important than any player with a high percentage or someone telling them what to do. Listen to me; sometimes it's pointless to recommend anything; it's already been decided in advance what it was, and you simply need to stop playing with the tank that's weak for you. In the end, everyone thinks like you and understands that they ruined it. Look at E5; it took them a long time to bring it back to a balanced game state; it's much stronger now for a moment.

[unique scaffold]

Hi Wargaming, I don't know whether the suggestions I gave in the ticket were read or not... so I'll try to put my suggestions here...

Try updating the Gun Sound again because in my opinion, the sound this time is much more monotonous than the previous versions... At least to my ears, there is no difference between Gun 88 and Gun 105 and it is very monotonous, Gun 150 and Gun 155 are indeed different but the only difference is the bass and it's really monotonous... I hope you guys have fresh ideas to update the gun sound, whether it will be like the WoT PC version or like the previous version... I'm hoping for a 149-152mm Gun that's the gun sound from the old version then the 155-183mm gun is the gun sound from the WoT PC version

Then please fix the server again because I always lag a lot when logging in, even with a VPN it doesn't help much... I often experience tanks flying and tanks going into the ground or breaking through walls etc... So in my opinion now the game is over. It's quite heavy so if I look at the stats from the task manager, the current version requires more massive rendering than the previous version

For Tank balance, please make the "Chimera" a little more tough on its turret armor because it is very soft when used for spotting and playing hulldown... Please also update the aim RNG because my shots often miss the distance from the aim

[lone sandal]

For tank balance, please remove retcal from Chimera

[unique scaffold]

Lastly, hopefully in the next version... there will be a feature where chat platton is still there when matchmaking is loading, because I like to get annoyed when I'm chatting with my platton friends, suddenly it gets cut off because the game is ready and entering matchmaking... and also hopefully there will be chat universal when playing games, universal here is being able to reply to private chats or chats from the clan while in the battle game... Then hopefully each map has Battlemusic (not intro music when entering battle, but in the middle of the game there is music that matches the map )

There is also a Credit/Free exp transfer feature to friends so that it helps platoon friends! I need credit to buy a new tank and my friend is willing to give me a lot of credit, this is a quite promising and profitable feature in my opinion... And the Voice In Game feature looks like it would be exciting if it was realized!

Hopefully the clan mission and clan reward problems will be fixed soon, because unfortunately my friend has been diligently pushing clan rewards but because there was a problem in the system, everything was reset so last week he didn't get the clan reward because the system had an error...

[remote sluice]

that is actually a nice idea tho. it’s more fair if every tank can boost their damage for a bit

@unique scaffold if the chimera needs a rebalance, it should be a nerf. if ur having a problem with the best tier 8 medium tank then u might wanna double check on how ur playing it

also 183 tungsten is gonna be memes 💀💀💀

[unique scaffold]

added tungsten for FV215b 183 💀💀💀

[thorny timber]

last thing you want in the highest caliber is to give it more damage

[autumn glen]

Make it A bit easier to grind Money!!!! I still need 520k for nashorn

[unique scaffold]

I don't mind if the nerf is just reloading or damage as long as the turret is harder, it's very strange that MT with below average speed MT has soft turret armor, even LT tier 8 or HT Stock guns still penetrate it.

Actually the speed is also a problem, but in my opinion... if it's like that then the playstyle will be similar to HT but if the turret armor is soft, how do you play it?

[lethal fox]

Nerf Chimera (idk how to play it but Ive fought it enough times to know how much of a pain in the arse that thing is. A good nerf would probably on its turret armor, like seriously 203 mm is impennable to many standard ammo for MTs in T8, and doesn't help it has a hard hitting gun.)

[zenith jewel]

Fix Damage on 90mm he on Chariotter

[mint wharf]

No premium tanks should ever be nerfed. They should be the same tank that you buy, otherwise refund me when you make a tank trash

[violet island]

you don't own the tank, wg could theoretically just yoink your entire acc

[fickle tinsel]

@coral hamlet you've lost your marbles bud. clearly the 752 needs a massive buff to stay relevant. the worst part has to be the gun and armor! armor full of weak spots! I want superheavy armor! gun needs 3 shell clip and autoreloader!

[remote sluice]

nah it needs 4 shells bro

[lethal fox]

Give the E75 540 alpha damage and the Kpz70 700 alpha damage if that happens, no reload nerf

[violet island]

also twice the engine power and 60km/h max speed

[fickle tinsel]

clearly this kid thinks the 752 is a tier 8 because he said I should 1v1 one in a tiger 2 (🤣❓) Obviously this is a sign that the tank is woefully underpowered if even so-called "experienced" players down tier it in their mind

[winter dagger]

I love getting hit for 750 by a heavy

[coral hamlet]

'to stay relevant'. What are you smoking my guy? Let me guess, you have it yourself and paid 50 bucks to get it?

[small bough]

Its gun is what makes it already op a clip reload of 14 seconds with a short inner clip and its not even a tier 10 which is why the armor isn’t as insane so it’s slightly balanced but still good. If you played the tank correctly you would see this .

[coral hamlet]

Bro just roasted him in the dumbest way imaginable xD

[thorny timber]

They're the reason why no one plays lower tiers,it's a lose lose

[fickle tinsel]

excuse me bud but when I take the e75 to the top of the tall hills on maps I can actually bounce shots but when I do it in the 752 i take a bunch of damage while waiting for for the second shot! 4 whole seconds is a lot of time and the camo just aint that good for the armor! The tank just isn't all it's cracked up to be!

[stable gulch]

Gl with trying to refund it, in case that should ever happen. I am pretty sure you wont get back anything

[small bough]

Because the e75 has more armor and its got flat plates making it harder to pen as well easier to angle plus you’re comparing a auto loader with a brawling single shot

[stable gulch]

Mfw the sarcasm isnt sarcastic enough yet

[small bough]

@fickle tinsel idk why you would even take it to the top of a hill to begin with neither of them are accurate enough to be sniping

[fickle tinsel]

Look kiddo. I've been playing this game a long long time and I know you and @coral hamlet are still inexperienced tankers compared to me but you learn a thing or two with practice. And one of those things is to take the high ground. So I take the high ground every time and get a full view of all the enemies.

[coral hamlet]

You could also say that way simpler, most people call it camping

[small bough]

If practice to you is sitting on a hill in a corner or spawn is practice idk what getting top 12 is then 🤓

[tidal geyser]

this dude sits in the corner camping?

[neat crescent]

Mods love these arguments

[fickle tinsel]

Oh my. 🤦‍♂️ You can't just take the nearest bush in spawn. You have to take the tallest hill which takes time but is always worth it! You kids don't have the patience to take the high ground and then call it camping when you see a true player with grit and patience doing their best to get us the win!

[coral hamlet]

Excuse me for a moment, I'm dying rn xD. Bro, just be honest, you take a HT to some random bush on a hill, spend half of the battle getting there and spamming attack!, and then fire 3 pentrating shots. After which you blame the team that you lost. And all this while you camp sit in a well picked bush, with exactly 324.234.234 leaves, and then aim for ages just to have quite medicore dispersion and thus hitting not much. You know, if you like professionally picking bushes so much, just take the Rhm. Skorpion G, SU-130 PM or if you want to play tier IX, a FV4004 Conway

[small bough]

Does patience involve watching you sit on the top of the hill the whole game waiting for your “positioning” to win the game by yourself against probably over half of their team alone because you sat in one position the whole game because your too stubborn to move and relocate positions or go brawl

[stable gulch]

Same, they are really entertaining

[civic topaz]

@fickle tinsel Mind your language

Or stop trolling while we’re at it.

[mint wharf]

Wg has ruined the game

[coral hamlet]

They are also entertaining to have you know

[small bough]

I 100% agree with this as well :kewk:

[waxen cove]

the is-4 is a dead tank

[fickle tinsel]

What's wrong with baiting them into typing essays

[coral hamlet]

Bro just broke rule #1...
Don't argue over a moderators decision 💀

[hot glade]

Real( i forgotten this channnel 💀)

[leaden flare]

Hi End

[fickle tinsel]

I am not "arguing" I am asking because I thought I was within the rules for minding my language so I'd like to know so as to avoid any future infractions. But I'm not going to argue with what he responds with or continue further. 🤦‍♂️

[hot glade]

What if some guy uses chatgpt to write the essay 😂
Anyways
I wanna ask a Few questions :

1. Will there ever be a Type 71 buff

2. Will there be a IS-7/IS-4 Nerf again ?

3. Will there the Latest New American tanks get Buff ?

4. Has there been any Japanese tank armour buff ?

[high wing]

Hi, any chance that British AT 2 and AT 8 get atleast few km per hour speed boost ? Or a new engine ? Becose they are extra extra slow 😅

[stuck acorn]

1. There is absolutely no reason for that
2. There is absolutely no reason for that
3. There is absolutely no reaaon for that
4. Ho-Ri got it's armor buffed

[thorny timber]

I love the part where he says there is absolutely no reason for that

[fickle tinsel]

is4 needs a buff 🤣🤣 some sweat team tried running one in 2v2s yesterday against me and got obliterated because the entire tank is gray to ap. They didn't bounce a single shot in the brawl

[unique scaffold]

If his weapon is equivalent to MT tier 10 then the WZ-121 is the answer, of course for the tier 8 class it's an annoying gun but we have to remember, we have the KV2 in tier 6... Even though the gun is annoying, they have a long reload so It's just a mechanical problem in my opinion, but it's a different matter with the turret armor... If it is equated with MT Tier 10 then between Leopard 1 and TVP is the answer

[fickle tinsel]

It can't be nerfed its a premium not collector

[lethal fox]

KV2 and Chimera are vastlllyyy different, and proportionally speaking the WZ121 hits as hard as a 105 mm armed medium tank in Tier 8. The Chimera in Tier 10 would be giving the E50M a 150 mm L/38 gun. Chimera has strong armor unlike the KV2, its decently mobile, unlike the KV2, and the gun is accurate enough to land hits... unlike the KV2, and again, proportionally speaking, the Chimera hits as hard as a tank with a 15 cm in Tier 10 in terms of HP taken per shot from the overall hp pool of the target tank.

@fickle tinsel That's the sad thing about it too, like zamn, at this point only option is to buff non prems

[civic topaz]

Hi End

[leaden flare]

hows end doing

[civic topaz]

Meh, what about you ?

[fickle tinsel]

the balancing factor was supposed to be terrible gun handling but then they gave it ret cali for no reason so I can pixel snipe crossing tanks across the map for free at the start of games now

[queen geyser]

KEKW

[gleaming apex]

lewap_43 was muted.

[slate basalt]

I still feel like the Kpz 70 either needs Tungsten, an alpha buff, or a reload buff

[quick lichen]

Tungsten would make it a huge threat in tier 9 tbh

Idk if it’s too much? But it definitely would be spicy

[slate basalt]

Could nerf the traverse or aim time a little to compensate

[ornate warren]

Nerfing a tank’s characteristics for the sake of a consumable isnt a good idea imo since it would make the tank dependent to it, making it boring and frustrating when cant be used in correct spots.
Grille, and kranvagn (old one) are great examples for this.

[smoky lagoon]

Buff 183 cammu

[coral hamlet]

No (it's camo, not cammu btw)

[wooden lynx]

1. Type 71 in 10.3 got buffed after it received more alpha and a shell type change on the premium HEAT > AP with 330mm base pen

2. They might be nerfed in the future but the IS-7 feels a bit cracked in 10.3 after receiving the premium pen that it needed badly and also tungsten rounds, IS-4 got nerfed I suppose. It kind of took away the purpose of the tank which is to take shots but oh well.

3. E5 got buffed massively, it lost an entire second off the reload and received better turret armour basically making it a tech tree Concept 1B. Atleast to my eyes.

4. Ho-Ri got a Armour buff while still keeping the busted traverse and gun in terms of pen values.

[winter dagger]

And is7 hidden armor buff since pen of everything was nerfed

[wooden lynx]

"pen of everything was nerfed" proceeds to gain 17mm of premium pen

The standard pen nerf didn't even do much on the IS-7, infact it didn't even do anything to make such a difference

[formal chasm]

Was the IS4 nerfed? if so, how much was it nerfed? does it still perform?

[winter dagger]

I meant standard pen of everything, not prem to clarify

[wooden lynx]

Next time I want you to clarify if its standard of premium so there wont be any confusion.

[winter dagger]

Me no good english

[drowsy plaza]

Considering that a slew of tier X tanks got standard ammo pen nerfs last update, he really should not have needed to make that clarification.

[wooden lynx]

I got confused

[unique scaffold]

is4 armor got butchered

[formal chasm]

By how much mm? Before and after nerf?

[unique scaffold]

forgot the exact number but it got nerfed across the board armor wise

[keen dew]

Dude it got murdered. The buffs don’t help it at all

[unique scaffold]

ahh armor nerf,hp nerf, pen nerf also on is4

HP is nerfed from 2650/2809 down to 2500/2650.
Hull upper plate armour nerfed from 286-311mm down to 250-272mm in effective thickness
Hull lower plate armour nerfed from 211mm down to 187mm in effective thickness
Hull upper side armour nerfed from 140mm down to 126mm, lower side armour from 160mm to 124mm, and the angled area behind the tracks from 100mm to 80mm
Driver’s hatch armour nerfed from 300mm down to 265mm in effective thickness
Turret side armour nerfed from 229mm down to 205mm in effective thickness
yea they killed it

[turbid ice]

They haven’t killed it lol, it’s still good

[formal chasm]

Damn why WG killed the is4? It was well-balanced already..

[twin egret]

I doubt it'll be too much, it'll just gain normal 150mm+ alpha for 25 seconds basically if it did have tungsten

[formal chasm]

Ummm... is that really IS4? That looks like an OBJ to me... IS4 doesn't have angled glacis, as I know..

[silk root]

that's the Obj 260

[unique scaffold]

sorry wrong image

[main tulip]

E5 is better than the concept

[ancient rampart]

If anything it needs more mobility not less

[slate basalt]

Mobility is already decent. The tank just needs firepower buff. The gun makes it essentially a Tier 8.5 tank

[ancient rampart]

It's mobility is not that good
40kmh isn't impressive when tanks like the 50TP prot go much faster with arguably better armor

The tank needs Mobility and Pen

[winter dagger]

kpz doesnt need tungsten, it needs straight up more alpha, especially he alpha, in exchange for other aspects like aim time. Maybe front plate nerf and turret armor buff to compensate

[stone drum]

The gun????? The gun The KPZ 70 mounts is absolutely amazing.

[fickle shoal]

gear oil on kpz when :giggle:

[gritty stratus]

Was Chimera nerfed? It used to be really good, but is so slow now and reload time has increased alot

[solid sequoia]

It wasn’t nerfed, it’s still just as good

[acoustic estuary]

Turret armor buff??!?

[fickle shoal]

wouldn't even matter lol, it's riddled in weakspots anyways

[acoustic estuary]

Then they buff the huge weakspot armor

[winter dagger]

thats what i mean, buff CUPOLAAAAA

[acoustic estuary]

No?

[spark shard]

Foch : Bring the single-shot gun back, 420 alpha damage for the auto loading gun would be nice.

WZ-114 : Dont have and never played it, but from what i heard about it, a small improvement in mobility is enough to call it a day

Vickers CR : higher damage for the HE shells

50TP prototype: touching this tank would make a lot of people mad, it is one of, if not the best tier 9 heavy you can add to your garage, fast, armored, well armed, could be a tier 10 if the HP was higher

Type 68: Change premium heat shells for AP, and nerf the penenetration by 10-20mm

Regressor: Dont have it

E 50: Increase APCR pen for the top gun, and make the optional 88mm researchable gun the STOCK GUN.

Ob.752: This thing is a powerhouse just like the 50tp prototype, but the perk of having better penetration than most tank destroyers, while also not lacking DPM for an autoloading tank isnt exactly balanced. Either nerf the penetration or the DPM, this is going to make some people mad.

Leopard PT A: add one or two more degrees of gun depression, and nerf the mobility slightly.

Ob.452K: Don't have it or played it, but it needs either a big buff in hull armor, specially at the front ...that thing is paper even to tier 7 lights, at the expense of mobility and gun handling, or a major buff in mobility to be more like a heavium, while keeping the rest of it just the same.

Skoda T 50 : Can you give it back its 310 alpha?

Char Futur 4: Dont have it but maybe an optional two shot gun like the Bourrasque? At the expense of dpm and accuracy

Centurion 7/1: buff dpm by about half a second and call it a day

T54E1: Buff the APCR penetration on the top gun up to 285mm base, add HE shells, it could be either medium sided like the antecessor T69 by having better top speed and acceleration, or heavy sided by having more HP, armor and a worse traverse speed to match its sucessor the T57

TL 7 120: Dont have it

Mauschen: buff the gun handling, turret "cheeks" and give it better hull traverse speed.

[winter dagger]

vickers cr needs reload buff after the violation of its alpha damage

[lone sandal]

oh yes make char futur as broken as bourrasque to make t9 unplayable

[spark shard]

Now that i thought deeper into it, you are right, we already have an obnoxious double shot autoloader at tier 9, we dont need another

[stone drum]

Char futur should just be a big clip, long intraclip, autoreloader.

[fickle shoal]

Just revert it on the 9-10, armor nerf was already painful enough

[winter dagger]

I doubt they'd do that, but just in case, the reload buff is needed anyhow

[fickle shoal]

We could only dream, but yeah reload buff is needed 100%

[winter dagger]

If that's so it'd need an alpha Nerf, and faster interclip or it'd be a medium version of tier nine bc

[stone drum]

????
First off unlike B-C it has relatively mid alpha for the tier, second it has straight up garbage handling. I don't know where your getting tier IX B-C from.

Im thinking if anything like a 4s intra clip in a fashion similar to the carro, but at tier 9.

[slender latch]

Has the IS4 armor nerf affected its performance in brawls or in general gameplay?

[winter dagger]

general gameplay :/

[main tulip]

I mean, tier 9 meds' biggest strength is that they have on par alpha with tier 10s, that being 50% higher than tier 8s, which can't be said for almost every other tier jump in the game. So the "mid alpha" is actually extremely strong

[harsh ravine]

No reason to play the IS-4 when there are other heaviums. The armor and HP nerf really hurt the tank that not even the ‘buffs’ it received can compensate

[slender latch]

Was the top speed or mobility buff even noticeable?

[harsh ravine]

The mobility buff is definitely noticeable, but its not enough to compensate the lack of hull armor

Every other heavium sports more DPM than the IS-4.
Every other heavium has better aiming time than the IS-4.
Every other heavium (barring the WZ113) have better OTM dispersion than the IS-4.
Excluding soviet heaviums in city maps, the IS-4 is slower than other heaviums.

The only major advantage the IS-4 has over other heaviums is turret armor.

[wooden lynx]

"basically making it a Tech tree Concept 1B"

[lone sandal]

the simple solution is to slightly buff its otm dispersion, engine power and base dpm

[main tulip]

they're still not even that similar

[wooden lynx]

They have Similar guns, similar gun handling, similar mobility and turret armour

[humble path]

Buff t95 speed please..

[wicked quest]

No? E5 and conc are pretty equal when it comes to speed but the E5s gun is a lot better conc is forced to use CS sometimes in order to better use it’s gun depression advantage E5s turret is also larger

Yeah make a slow tank less slow

[potent stratus]

play different tank, problem solved

[ornate warren]

This is the key factor of wg why premiums are like this in the current state of the game, y know that right

@wicked quest I see

[wooden lynx]

So we just going to ignore that the Concept has better on movement dispersion than the E5 now, yes the Concept has .317 dispersion but who cares if the tank doesn't have that good of a dispersion if you're technically totally impervious when hulldown. After all it is a frontline hulldown heavy.

[wicked quest]

He’s saying to buff the T95s speed it’s one thing to play a slow tanks it’s pretty dumb to still struggle in a tank with super speed that is still meant to be slow

[main tulip]

@wooden lynx Despite everything you mention, Concept feels like a slower med, whereas E5 feels like a faster heavy, which ultimately makes them very different

[scenic kindle]

That’s the point of the t95 though
And basically the whole thing of it, slow speed, high damage, and also tbh the line to get t95 and e3 it’s all slow

[potent stratus]

hmm.. I thought I'm in #general-blitz-discussion, my bad

[wicked quest]

OTM rarely matters for a heavy though sure conc can pull off shots more reliably but the E5 has a harder punching gun and superb penetration

VV
Conc is pretty much more medium than heavy like E5

[main tulip]

what's VV

[ornate warren]

its ok mate 👍 @potent stratus

[wicked quest]

Meant to be the reply to the e5 being a fast heavy the MK6 is extremely similar to the conc 1

[clear shuttle]

only really similarities i see with the c1B and E5 is that they both have strong turrets when hull down and have good guns

[slender latch]

Looking at the stats, IS4 falls behind being a true heavium if wg intendid it to be. Which is also weird when 777 has better mobility, dpm, and armor. They could've just left it as a brawler tbh.

[proud abyss]

If they do anything too bad to the prototyp, then im selling it

[prime bramble]

Tier ix rebalance- for starters, Conquerer needs + 500hp, + 7 degrees of gun depression, +50 pen on standard and gold shells, + 10 km per hour, and + 200 armour on front hull and lower plate

[remote sluice]

conq only needs gun depression buff to 9 or 10 deg and as much effective turret armor tier for tier as the 215b and its gonna be a monster tank.

[queen geyser]

Since u most likely drive after every shoot and not just stand there OTM rly matters alot, pretty much for every Shot u do since has a big impact on your aimtime

[unique scaffold]

a lot, now you cant yolo with it anymore, you play closer to e5 looking for a preferable position

[coral hamlet]

Bro, you shouldn't compare the Kampfpanzer 70 to the 50TP Prototyp.. You compared the fastest heavy in the game to a regular heavium... Ofc the Prototyp will be faster

[stone drum]

Yes, but 50% at the same tier isn't the same as 50% a tier higher.

Same as how jagdpanzer E100 has roughly "50% more" alpha than the previous tank.

[main tulip]

Point is that tier 9 meds don't struggle as much against tier 10 ones as, say, tier 6 against 7, and a big part of that is because they aren't lagging behind significantly in alpha.

[stone drum]

Fair enough

[main tulip]

And I'm not saying the Char Futur deserves an alpha nerf, but its "mid" alpha of 340 is actually quite strong most of the time

[drowsy plaza]

You can’t actually be serious? It’s got a fantastic gun. It just needs either 2 more degrees of gun depression (for 9) or more mobility & better gun dispersion movement modifiers so it can jockey positions better.

[scarlet olive]

why TVP is still op?he get nerf but he is still op why?he must get more nerfs

[solid sequoia]

It’s not op anymore lol, it’s actually quite close to being balanced

[dusty hollow]

0 balanced

[rigid oyster]

Everyone talking nonsense

[balmy hinge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[dusty hollow]

still fires bullets too fast TVP X
@rigid oyster your life is meaningless

[proud abyss]

I think everyone knows hes being sarcastic and joking

[balmy hinge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[drowsy plaza]

What do you think should be nerfed on it. Simple comments like Buff or Nerf X tank aren’t very helpful.

[fickle tinsel]

not sure how the 777 escaped a fat nerf w the t10 rebalance

[rigid oyster]

A salty one talk nice I see who I’ve less meaning in his life than me welcome to the club

[slender latch]

Must be because it's still new but pretty balanced, IS4 is just powercrept by other heaviums.

[fickle tinsel]

The 777 was broken in 2v2s but maybe people just aren't used to its armor. What guns can overmatch this strip here?

[void siren]

None

[slender latch]

What strip exactly, middle bar? Also there are other weakspots u can aim for other than that strip tho.

[fickle tinsel]

Yeah. I think the armor ingame shows red on the weak spots. What's the normalization of heat apcr and AP again? The spots below the cupola are only 200 mm but 73 degrees. Not sure what shells it's auto ricochet for

[slender latch]

Why u aiming at that red bar tho when u can aim at the lower plate

[fickle tinsel]

lower plate isn't always possible to shoot at

[remote sluice]

unrelated but can any Lansen C enjoyers in here tell me if it makes money or not pls?

[obtuse falcon]

I wish they would change the Waffentragers alpha back to 600

[scenic apex]

yes, Lansen C makes good credits

[remote sluice]

glad to hear that

[drowsy plaza]

The cupolas are easy with a decent gun, and you can pen the boxes beside the cheeks with most guns non CS Prammo.

[scenic olive]

Love the lancen but I hope it gets buffed

[winter dagger]

y e s

[remote sluice]

lansen could use a dpm buff and it’s gonna be lovely

[scenic olive]

Ya that and pen, I personally believe it should have really high pen so it can have an edge over the m4 rev cus that thing is kinda just better

[stone drum]

What's the worst tier X heavy?

[scenic apex]

I personally feel like Lansen just needs a penetration buff, the alpha and DPM are just fine where it’s at, Lansen doesn’t need to brawl

[remote sluice]

the great thing abt wg’s balancing is that u rlly cant say which tier 10 heavy is the worst, bcus they can all fight well and do damage consistently

with that being said, IS-4 is the worst heavy 🗿 armor’s gone, cant consistently reach top speed, still quite a slug, i rlly cant put a finger on it post 10.3

[fickle tinsel]

I faced one in that 2v2 skirmish on middleburg town side only and holy cow was it terrible to brawl against. Honestly might be the most obnoxious tank to face in a brawl. Unfortunately I don't have a vk 72 to play on town only maps yet

[stone drum]

That's the point.

[livid reef]

Is it easy to get penned by high explosive in the fv4005? If so how do I avoid it? (I am thinking about researching the tank)

[nimble zodiac]

1. You should ask that in #general-blitz-discussion instead of here. Here, we discuss tank balance changes.
2. You can’t really avoid getting HE’d, so just use spall liner in your provisions to reduce its damage

[livid reef]

Ok thanks!

[winter dagger]

spall liner, 4005 can be penned by tier ones so basically armor doesn't exist on it

[scenic olive]

Ya I guess, but m4 has better dpm and alpha😔

[fickle tinsel]

Lansen is honestly a bit of an irrelevant tank. worse in every respect to a chimera

[winter dagger]

chimera is the jack of all trades heavium med, but i like to compare things to the pershing scale

[scenic apex]

Lansen is a tank that just appeals to certain players, buffing the DPM to make it brawly would make it like most other good tier VIII prem meds
not every tank needs to be very good and be on par with the other top tanks of the tier

[fickle tinsel]

The lansen would fill a niche spot by having really really good gun handling imo

[queen geyser]

I played lansen, nice tank, fits me very great personally, I love the mobility, the gunhandling, the gundepression, the smoll turret

But unholy ass the DPM lacks, the dpm feels bad for the alpha, meanwhile my M4 Rev is punshing people without cooldown while having more alpha and better gunhandling and my Chimera hits harder then a falling maus for the same dpm

[scenic olive]

The doesn’t justify it being a worse m4 rev that costs more.idk why u think buffing the alpha or dpm would make it “brawly”. I’m suggesting buffing the dpm by 100 and buffing the garbage pen to like 270, the m4 will still have more alpha and 300 more dpm💀

[scenic apex]

you didn't specify how much DPM in your initial message so I assumed it would have been a lot

I agree with your pen buff, and for buffing the DPM I would increase the alpha, the reload is fine as it is imo

btw price difference isn't really a good way to compare tanks, Rev has been in the game longer then the Lansen and the Lansen has almost never been sold, so you would see the Rev be cheaper then Lansen

[nimble zodiac]

They key about Lansen C is the smaller profile and higher mobility. It’s easier to control what it’s exposed to, and it’s more resistant to HE. I wouldn’t even balance it around Rev, just give it DPM so it can hold its own performance against heavy performance

[scenic olive]

You could give it 500 more dpm it still wouldn’t be a brawler, it has 0 armor except against he. No one calls Leo a brawler, it’s a second line support tank

[queen geyser]

Pricing only matters when we talking about recommending the tank to a player that maybe dosnt have that much money or that much money to spend for a videogame, when talking about performance sure, pricing is not relevant, however I think the only practical use those discussions have (even if its offtopic to this channel) is if you should buy premium tank A or B and when A is alot cheaper, while also being better in many aspects, there is no real reason to buy B
Which is why I would recommend a guy which is searching for a good gun, with good alpha medium while being not completly slow the M4 Rev or the Chimera, but not the Lansen C,

[scenic apex]

I would think buffing the alpha to 350 would be a good enough DPM buff for the Lansen

It would still be a mid-range sniper medium tank, and be more effective if paired with penetration and gun handling buffs

As for not being a brawler, I agree, Lansen doesn't brawl but you can look at some other medium tanks like the Progetto 46, T95E2, Panther II, they don't have the best of armor to deflect shells (Panther II has more armor but it still doesn't hold up) but they brawl with the DPM they have

[scenic olive]

Tbh the new tier 8 is probably the best med rn besides chimera and borasque

[nimble zodiac]

Nebulon? CS-53?

[scenic olive]

Oh yeah my bad, the kpz 07 is what I was talking about.it has best dpm for a med in tier 8 by a long shot , pen, 60 top speed, best accuracy in tier 8 for a med pretty sure, hep, and decent armour surprisingly. It’s like a Leo with a little bit of armour

[fickle shoal]

I can't get over it's road wheels and slanted rear deck

[ancient rampart]

It doesn't need any nerfs

[scenic olive]

What’s wrong with that? It looks pretty cool to me

[fickle shoal]

I'm used to typical post war German tank silhouettes and roadwheel design

[stone drum]

CS-53??????

[nimble zodiac]

I was just guessing new t8 meds

[stone drum]

from what I've heard CS-53 is quite mid.

[static spoke]

Buff IS5 hull armor to be like IS7 but for tier 8

[nimble zodiac]

Isn't IS-3 supposed to be like IS-7 for tier 8 ._.

[acoustic estuary]

IS5 is supposed to be your early premium heavy to grind credits, nothing more. They wouldn’t have putted it for 1.5k gold if it wasn’ for that fact.

[stone drum]

No?

[spark shard]

Bonus tier 9's

M-V-YOH: For the 105mm top gun, improve handling and aim time, slight buff to DPM is also interesting.

For the optional 120mm:
Buff reload by 2/3 seconds, nerf the penetration by about 5-10mm on its standard AP and premium HEAT shells, since this gun is not required to research the M-VI-YOH, it should cost less XP too

Amx 50 120: For the 120mm gun,buff gun handling and aim time, reduce the top speed from 50kp/h to 45kp/h, nerf slightly the acceleration, but give it better traverse speed.

For the 4 shot 100mm gun: MAKE. IT. THE. STOCK. GUN.

It is a waste of exp and time for someone to research the 120mm, and then have to get the 100mm later, wasting time, or even worse, grinding their way to the 50b using the 100mm, which hurts heavily the performance of this tank.

Conway : For the 5.5 Inch gun buff premium HESH alpha damage to 700

For the 120mm gun: improve aim time and accuracy.

Wz 111G-FT : Better hull traverse speed and casemate armor, remove reticle calibration consumable.

Wz 132A : buff premium APCR shells penetration by 10mm, better acceleration is also welcome, the entire branch lacks acceleration.

M46 patton: premium APCR penetration buff by 10-15mm, optional 90mm gun to become stock gun in order to save time grinding.

Jagdtiger: buff upper front plate by 15-25mm, the casemate "cheeks" by 15-25mm and the sides by 20-30mm, nerf hull rotation speed by 5-8 degrees, aim time by 0.2 seconds, and dispersion by 0.010-0.015.

Standard B: buff to terrain resistance on ground, acceleration and horsepower,faster shell reload, nerf standard and premium ammunition by 5-10mm and gun dispersion by about 0.010 (also give progetto 65 its special HE shells)

[fickle tinsel]

i read that you think the t9 yoh needs a buff and immediately knew it wasn't worth reading further

[spark shard]

People have no chill here, damn

[spark shard]

The best part is that you are right, if a dumbass moron like me can make 60%+ WR in this thing, then it doenst deserve a buff, thank you for pointing that out and make me think before posting 💩 here

[fickle tinsel]

yeah the tank is absolutely broken at t9 as is

[obtuse falcon]

Panther 8,8 needs either a buff of a rework. Right now it’s the worse version of a panther 2.

[winter dagger]

no hep, its 65 mm of pen

[unique scaffold]

If you want to complain about something complain about tanks that are actually bad.

Literally every tank listed there I’ve died to on more than one occasion.

[fickle tinsel]

I don't think he's complaining but I think he made a list of things he would improve without actually thinking whether the tank needed a buff in the first place or it should be nerfed instead

[spark shard]

Thank you for literally translating what i just did an hours ago, tier 9 as it is right now, i believe is one of the most balanced tier on WOTB, yes there are some vehicles that could be tier 10 if their HP was higher, T92, obj 752, 50tp prototype are some examples

Almost every tier 9 is a very capable tank on its own, a lot of people see something like a Wz 120 or a m46 patton in front of them and think "it just an tier 9 medium" and then get absolutely smoked by their dpm.

Tier 9 is also difficult to balance because they need to be powerful enough to be a significant threat to tier 10's, while also not being able to steamroll tier 8's that easily

[scenic olive]

It’s still way more pen than other tanks with a similar gun, with an insane alpha of 320.

[winter dagger]

not considered hep although, if it had german bulldog hep, it'd be really fricking good

[scenic olive]

Bruh that would be op💀 it’s already top 3 best tier 8 med in the game rn after the chimera and borasque, although I think it’s better than borasque

[winter dagger]

borasque it would beat if it had that, chimera, only when brawling, cause chimera ob has the big dmg gun

[slender latch]

I would rather they make a module rework for tier 9s like removing unnecessary guns that are irrelevant to the tier 10 also adjust the price of modules or make some guns come default as stock. Like the WZ 120's 105mm gun it cost like 60k xp for you to get the 120mm which is another 60k xp.

[teal sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001153605375623294/1055997783955492924/Screenshot_2022-12-23_155805.png

Remove tungsten from the jag and give it this round instead

[cunning socket]

Missile launchers when?

[teal sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/851655278180302858.webp?size=48&name=pepelaug~1&quality=lossless

[ornate warren]

man its kinda irritating to see how its really easy to cut thorough M103's gun mantlet, just like how it was on E5. it would be cool if it was fixed.
other than that, I think m103 needs a specific change that will make it become unique just like E5 did.

its currently a decent performing tank but I would personally trade something for something unique tbh. (maybe making it a lil bit more mobile just like E5? since its a tank that cant be relied on armor much like the other heavs, and also it has enough power to weight ratio to stick up to 34 instantly most of the time)

@sage geyser stb1 , tvp (unfortunately) , e50m (and maybe m48, if youre looking for something different)

[sage geyser]

after 10.3 whats the most comp medium

[shell thistle]

Wz113 feels rather weak now, far inferior to 777 ii. I needs its dpm back or at least some accuracy. Rn 113 is less accurate, has worse armor respectively and only has slightly better dpm

[clear yacht]

The SU-152 needs a big nerf! As you can see here it somehow Dodge my shot.

[shell thistle]

Stb, 62a, 30b, carro

[ornate warren]

thats a lag issue (or maybe an issue about the game mechanic that occurs rarely)

[clear shuttle]

its a ghost shell issue, a known bug

[unique scaffold]

it's not a ghost shell or anything
the shot hit the gun of his wz 132 teammate, which is a case of awful shot timing
I personally asked for replay and verified it

[clear shuttle]

😂

[lost crane]

We can barely see the gun, but I think you’re right
You can see some dark green pixel, It’s directly in the replay

[unique scaffold]

probably because of the video quality, I wouldn't blame you for that

[leaden flare]

well it was very noticeable that there was something but hard to see anything in detail in that compressed vid
its always fun when u get those shots

[orchid grove]

Well, back in the day when it originally came out (also for 1.5k gold) it was regarded as one of the best tier 8 heavies

[ancient rampart]

Tier 9 Yoh
Conway and Jagdtiger do not require any buffs 💀💀💀
Easily some of the best tanks in the tier

[round sand]

Huge skill issue tbh

[stone drum]

It good but its nowhere near OP or broken and I do mean absolutely nowhere.

[scenic olive]

Ik that, I just said I prefer it over borasque, that’s why I said 3rd place

[stone drum]

You said it's top 3 best tier 8 mediums 🗿

[scenic olive]

And before that I said it was the best tier 8 med besides the borasque and chimera🗿

[acoustic estuary]

Back in my days 👴🏻
Anyways, it kinda has been powercrept alot by other premium heavies. It could get small buffs but not something crazy.

[winter dagger]

Cent mk1 is top 3 med

[scenic olive]

I hate the gun on that thing, it’s a pea shooter

[winter dagger]

Pew pew pew

[winter dagger]

Back in the day... The is3 defender was the most broken tank 🤣

[fickle tinsel]

obj 907 should get its armor back. there was no point removing the armor when tanks like the current amx 30b, obj 140 and leopard exist

[winter dagger]

T r a c e r s h e l l s

[sage geyser]

stb is comp now? its turret isnt enough for comp and its fairly slow plus its dpm isnt anything special. and how is 30b comp lol

[fickle tinsel]

id rather have my turret capable of bouncing ap

[winter dagger]

62a may be the only potential one, stb is just a pub/ratings king

[unique scaffold]

140 and Leo 1 💀

[quick mulch]

He be using the wrong gun tho💀

[stone drum]

Replace "he" with "I"

[final dragon]

personally i think t49 needs shell pen buff...half the time i hit a gray area it still bounces...i mean if its gonna have horrible accuracy it should be able to pen when it hits

[unique burrow]

152mm Heat Shell with bad volicity and a short barrel, what you expect, also, you should use it as a flank support tank, that also spots, and not as offensive front line light, when you want this just take Fv 301, has not the alpha, but it hits

[winter dagger]

T49 needs nothing, you don't need pen to do the t49's job, which is punish the stupids

[barren goblet]

They could buff dpm on 90mm to match t7 at least

[rigid oyster]

Maus is the best sniper I camp in every game

[stone drum]

Yeah, but it cant even penetrate the sides or rear of some tanks these days, 165mm/85mm pen would be a good step forward. It would also be nice for it to have a regular he shell of some type.

[winter dagger]

only thing that may help it is a slight pen buff and potential change to apcr on standard shell to be similar to the t92 and sheridan

[rigid oyster]

If u don’t know how to use t49 don’t recommend stupid stuff I play that ta k and if u do it the right way is op

[stone drum]

💀

[acoustic estuary]

That’s your only argument. Damn

[winter dagger]

i own a t49 fearless lmao, i dont think thats a good argument

[stone drum]

Thats not even an arguement at that point.

[twin egret]

T49 fearless is slightly worse than the regular T49 tho

[winter dagger]

My point exactly, but I do like not losing credits every game

[rigid oyster]

Funny how every one want a fun tank change is perfect the way it is

[winter dagger]

It's just gonna slowly be power crept by all the other tanks more and more

[coral hamlet]

Bruh, can't they buff the reverse speed of the FV4005 back?

[nimble zodiac]

Wow that's crazy, you're less capable of pushing your massive clip damage with reverse speed to get out

[coral hamlet]

Well, wouldn't call it massive clip damage anymore tbh, because the dispersion of the FV4005 isn't that great, and the removal of rec makes the clip reload boost a lot less usefull, and since the 4005 doesn't have great aim time/dispersion, you need quite some RNG and stupidty from the enemy to dump your whole clip. Because an enemy needs to sit still for 7.5 seconds, and the fact the it needs to aim for a few seconds after firing one shot deems the clip reload consumable quite useless

[remote sluice]

me who’s still happy that my shell actually hit:

[clear shuttle]

or, play it second line support

[coral hamlet]

I'm too nub for that ;-;
I'm just your casual 52% wr' you know

[void siren]

The 50b yearns to be driven

[stone drum]

You now have the ability to run the Super speed boost, so you should encounter to many problems tbh.

[coral hamlet]

I do yeah, but the cooldown of that thing is like 60-70s, while the intra clip of the 4005 is ~26-22

[winter dagger]

10 reverse speed makes my life suck playing the fv

[blissful surge]

how much diffrently does the teir 9 bc and teir 8 amx play btw¿

[proud abyss]

Buff 274a, it was only sold in crates so it should atleast be unique than a worse version of the T 54 mod 1

[winter dagger]

It was sold for 8.5k gold during the birthday event? And it's outright an upgrade to the mod 1...

[drowsy plaza]

It’s a you problem not the tank. It’s a great tier 8 Med.

[blissful surge]

@proud abyss is that leshy its a great tank i got yoloed alot in it but it does well

[proud abyss]

Im doing good in the tank since I am alteast somewhat skilled, its the fact its basically the same as all other soviet tier 8 meds. Have it be unique

[stone drum]

Its way better than the mod. 1

[winter dagger]

It's a fine tier eight med, there are some better options ofc, but tier eight is often the fun tier anyways

[drowsy plaza]

It’s the fastest Russian tier 8 Med currently available, best pen in both AP and APRC, 7 degrees of GD, decent alpha @310 compared to most other 280 and a decent turret. Plus it makes credits. I played it in live testing and it was buffed in alpha and mobility after than, and it was a decent performance back in test. Now it’s a probably the top available Russian tier 8 Med unless you enjoy the STG.

[verbal igloo]

274a should be a tier 8 t22 so no frontal armor but nutty sides

[burnt venture]

274A sacrifices a bit of the armor over Type 59 and Mod 1, but it gets better pen, better gun handling, better alpha, better DPM, and way better mobility.

It's a huge upgrade over the other meds in terms of playability because armor on a med means so little at tier 8

[winter dagger]

Then there's the outlier that is the Titan 54d

[scenic olive]

I think a lot of the tier 8 meds need a pen buff in general, especially my poor lancen c😔

[fickle shoal]

Rebalance T8, powerjumps are horrid currently

[thorny timber]

T8 has some really funny powergaps and many powercrept tanks,wg is gonna have a day rebalancing that tier

[winter dagger]

Players will have a whole week trying to comprehend the changes

[lost crane]

Tier 8 is almost 1/4 of all the tank in game, (and more than 2x the tier 10) so if wg want to change all the tier 8, good luck to understand wich tank is buffed and wich one is nerfed.

[shell thistle]

oh i thought you meant strong meds, ye meds aint gonna gonna go comp exept some special ones like leo since comp meta now revolves around good mobility and survivability

[winter dagger]

Or obj 140 for the meme strats

[fickle shoal]

They don't need to change everything but objectively there are outliers that need buffs and nerfs

[winter dagger]

Well look at tier ten... Everything was changed lol, I would be inclined to think the same for tier eight

[lost crane]

Yes, imo, not too much tank need a rework , because I’m okay with med tank with 180-200mm pen, but maybe more dpm for med and light, or more alpha (280->310).

[fickle shoal]

They only gave us a short list of tanks for t9 changes they might make, we can only hope

[scenic olive]

Wz-132 is actually good now, the alpha feels amazing, and u basically get unspotted as soon as you reload, and you CAN ACTUALLY PEN STUFF, only thing I wish it had is 7 degrees of gun depression.

[winter dagger]

Then there's the no dpm issue and the bc out spotting you

[twilit crystal]

Kek . Yup. A 132 reload is 6.7 for 360. Leo 1 is 5.5 for 360

[sage geyser]

good mobility and survivability so basically e50m or t62

[scenic olive]

I haven’t been having that problem, I just play extremely passive, plus the mechanic helps out with that. It doesn’t need insane dpm, it just needs a little bit more gun depression, but even now I think it’s pretty good. The mechanic makes u unspotted in 7 sec and your reload is 6.7, it feels really nice

[winter dagger]

I feel like t100 does the wz job better, it's either longer spotting or spotted less, but t100 is tiny

[scenic olive]

But rolling for 400 feels amazing

[jolly frost]

KPZ 07 RH lacks alpha, like an extra 20 would still be good

[nimble zodiac]

240 alpha for 2630 DPM is pretty great, along with solid armor and good mobility. I don't think it needs that at all

[scenic olive]

No it doesn’t 💀 its amazing as it is now, a lot of the low alpha meds and lights have 225 alpha

[winter dagger]

240 is above average for it's caliber

[obtuse sentinel]

Bruh, the tank is one of the best mediums at tier 8 right now and you’re still not satisfied with its performance? You gotta be trolling

[fickle shoal]

they can't sit infront of the enemy and win = buff needing

clearly.

[drowsy plaza]

It’s like this sort of logic Clearly the Concept then needs a buff. I couldn’t carry an AFK and a Zero dmg BatChat yolo

[barren hemlock]

i swear to got is-8 needs a huge buff of armor i get pen by mediums lights and heavies without any problem even side scrapping doesnt work he has litterally no strats to bounce shells as an heavy he is really bad to go on the frontline.

[drowsy plaza]

The IS-8 is a Med killer use the turret and the mobility.

[barren hemlock]

so aint to go against heavies.

[clear shuttle]

support heavy or meds support yeah, just use the speed, dpm and tungsten to ur advantage

[winter dagger]

is8 is a better is4 change my mind

[jaunty gulch]

t 54 mod 1 needs a texture update and improvement.

[winter dagger]

👆

[cyan hinge]

I think spall liner shouldn't reduced HE/HESH damage by that much. Even for some tanks like fv4202, 4004 and 215b183 mostly shoot HESH, they got lower HESH alpha than HE. A 220 pen HESH should have caused more damage than standard 80 pen HE even the spall liner is applied.

If the mechanism is changed to conditional, like pen＜100 -20%HE damage, pen between 100 and 200 -15%HE damage, pen＞200 -10%HE damage, that will be more reasonable

[keen smelt]

Guysguysguys can you say is he is balanced? Its 8lvl td with 580 dmg and his 1st ammo is hesh(175/580) 2nd is ac(280/520) 3rf is 85mm hesh(690/85) reload is 10.5 seconds

Max speed:41km/h
Reverse speed:20km/h
Mid speed:29km/h
Tank rotation speed:39 degrees

[proud abyss]

580 and has hesh? Not balanced def

5 minutes on slowmode is too much lol

[keen smelt]

Bro 175mm and its 1st ammo 2nd is ac

[leaden flare]

AC ??? Air-conditioning

And still apcr with literally the same DMG as hesh ???

Fully kitted that's like 3k DPM just spamming prammo

[cunning quail]

Petition to buff Polish mediums and nerf Polish heavies whos with me

[hasty flicker]

Nah, Polish mediums are doing well, they are just for more experienced players

[cunning quail]

Compared to literally every other medium its below average, even the E50M is better, the mediums have almost no speed + no turbo even, non-existant armor and the gun is extremely mid as well

[proud abyss]

The community trying to “balance” tanks be like:

[stone drum]

I shall accept your generous tribute.

[west canopy]

I unlocked tiger | should i stay at Germany tiger’s and go for e 100 or go for polish tanks

[ionic moss]

E100

[winter dagger]

AP probably cause of autocorrect lol

[stuck acorn]

a fact that vast majority of players do bad in a tank doesn't need to mean it's for good players, it may be just bad

[fickle tinsel]

that would imply it's a low skill floor high skill ceiling tank, which it's not. It's a low skill floor low skill ceiling tank

[humble hare]

Such a good tank

[quasi finch]

You can say it for any tank in the game that's terrible.

Well, Polish mediums are indeed doing well by total parameters, that's acceptable. But they're are also doing very bad with their turrets armour! I don't penetrate them only if the accuracy sends the shells into the gun. Sure, they can do ricochets, but so can do even BatChat 25t.

[drowsy plaza]

The CS-63 is a pointless tank as any role you may want it for has a better option.

[orchid grove]

60TP is pretty good tho, unlike CS-63

[quick lichen]

Just like the Czech heavy*

[keen smelt]

Hehe like da 252u

[twilit crystal]

Yup leo 1 or 140 for way more dpm. T62 or kpz for better brawling . Stb 1 for better turret and gold pen . The only real advantage is reverse speed

[winter dagger]

Cs63 is like a blank whiteboard. Nothing stands out on it that makes you want to play it over other Tanks (other than rev speed)

[main tulip]

It's also incredibly generic in terms of looks, and no historical incentive either

[lapis halo]

Guys idk what tf can we do here stock tech tree vs overkill premium

[subtle egret]

do top damage before complaining bro looks like skill issue

[winter dagger]

Overkill premium? The strv k and t95e6 can be easily dealt with since both don't have outstanding amounts of armor. And your team had an is7 and 60tp which had been buffed quite a bit so idk what you mean to do. Just play around your team

[unique scaffold]

1. Don't play stock tanks
2. Strv K and E6 aren't "overkill premiums" lol. They are rather super easy to be tackled with
3. Just do top 3 in terms of damage bro, your team including you had a huge skill deficit

[fickle shoal]

(Strv K and E6 are collectors to lol)

[coral hamlet]

Bro just implied that the Standardpanzer Entwicklung 50 Ausführung M is bad 💀

[stone drum]

Start off by ending your 183 grind and grind a normal line like a decent human. Then attempt to do atleast 1 full shot of damage, if not more!

[coral hamlet]

💯

[fickle tinsel]

the armor doesn't change the fact that the t95e6 at least has a very high skill ceiling compared to other tanks meaning a good player using it will regardless be a huge nuisance

that aside @lapis halo you did 1 shot of damage so that battle was absolutely 100% your fault and even if you did well and still lost those types of battles happen to everyone

[winter dagger]

i mean it is 90% player dependent for the e6

[fickle tinsel]

i completely agree. im just saying i dont really agree with the statement that the tanks are 'easily dealt with' cause even an average player can wreak havoc on the med flank w them given how overcooked (at least the e6) is rn

tho most players are below average so

[winter dagger]

if used properly, it is the best heavium for it's tier, and usually if the tank is super good base (like smasher) than the player dependency is lower, but if not, then either the player don't know how to play it well (easy to deal with) or they're extremely good (very easy to lose against). these are wise words from a 215B enjoyer

[fickle tinsel]

yeah i agree i see what you're saying. just needs to increase his skill level and dealing with the average player becomes easy because it's a less forgiving tank that you can punish when a mediocre player drives it

[uneven turtle]

Ngl they should have increased the traverse of type 71 by 2-3 degrees instead of giving it higher alpha and AP shell. Would have felt more comfortable with average ht traverse while using the gun dep perk

[winter dagger]

oh yes let's go back to type 71 release, sounds very balanced

[uneven turtle]

Ah yes keep talking about the +10-15 degrees of traverse when I’m only talking about 2-3 degrees

Keep in mind if it was the 2-3 traverse buff that I suggested, then type traverse would be at around 32-33 degrees of traverse. And with the improved suspension it would still come no where close to type 71 when it was released. Only around 38-39 degrees compared to 50+ degrees of traverse. Granted it’s a lot for a HT but it’s front is a free pen against prammo. As long as u have that knowledge wiggling in a type 71 is pretty much useless if u don’t have high traverse so improved v stabs would still be the better option

[winter dagger]

it has 37 with the traverse equipment, i dont think 2-3 to have around 40 traverse with that stupid armor profile will make it balanced, its just going to be slightly worse than on release, where it was around 45 deg on hull traverse. and its front is not a free pen if you are wiggling at that kind of hull traverse, it makes no sense to have a tank like that

[uneven turtle]

Just learn it’s armor profile against prammo. Even a mt with rammer can just about pen it’s front

Scratch that, a LT/MT is accurate enough to hit a wiggling type cupola, while a ht has enough prammo pen even with rammer for its frontal glacis

I honestly that a lot of people overstate type’s armor Cus all they think is ‘hey a lower plate auto bounce angle is dumb as that should be it’s weak point!’ Yes that’s true but maybe consider other options like prammo?

346 with cali is not a lot for a HT but yeah still alot ig

[winter dagger]

"learn its armor profile" it'll be the best heavy tank in pubs if that happens, no other tank will come close, it'll regain almost all of it's former glory, considering tanks like the is4 have been nerfed to the ground. and you already saw what happened with the stb... an absolute beast in pubs and ratings. did i forget to mention, the type 71 has the highest effective base prammo pen in the game? it's good enough right now, and with gun depression equipment, its just a pre-nerfed is4 with 9 deg of gun depression and insane pen. and use the gun to block the cupola, almost all the good players do that and wiggle... you'll have a lot harder time to pen something rocking back and forth like a boat. and what 346 with cali? BECAUSE THATS ARMOR PIERCING THAT HAS SHELL NORMALIZATION, effectively around 380 mm~ pen, 360 mm~ without (yes im probably wrong on the exact figures but its meant to show AP as prammo has the highest effective pen due to normalization)

I forgot to mention this but, the upper plate is not "a free pen against prammo" when wiggling + you can run EA to make the armor even stronger, and the tracks are black holes that light can't even escape from

[lone sandal]

wotb players when a heavy tank doesn't have medium traverse and pre 10.3 is4 armour

[lethal minnow]

Is7 or 60tp which is better make your case.

[lethal fox]

They're fundamentally different despite several similarities. 60tp's way better at peek-a-boo/anti armor due to higher HEAT pen, while IS-7's way better at brawling and rushing in due to high HP, nice mobility and nice DPM

[lethal minnow]

Is-7 it is then i wanted the 60tp at first but seems super slow. Thank you for taking your time.

@lapis halo getting 1 shot in cant be blamed on matchmaking…

[winter dagger]

60tp for me cause alpha, but pen Nerf made the gun a bit uncomfortable to use at times

[lethal fox]

Well IS7 is a lovely tank, basically my go to if I want to brute force my enemies with soviet steel
@winter dagger
TBF worth it, the damage buff makes it punch so much harder. Also I run calibrated so I guess I didnt notice the pen nerf

[winter dagger]

its 347 on heat, and sometimes its quite annoying when you cant pen, but 630 + tungsten is a satisfying 700+ rolls

[lethal fox]

Yeah true, although TBF I don't really encounter opponents who'm I either find annoying to penetrate or just ez lol pen. Like its either the reddest thing to exist or simple easy to penetrate with the new 60tp HEAT from my POV, and theirs no in between.

[lament prism]

the armor on the is 4 just became absolute garbage

[shell thistle]

Can someone explain why wg nerfed the strv k to the ground even though the ace bar is like 1.3k xp

[lone sandal]

lol?

[shell thistle]

Its absolute garbage, no armor, average mobility, not so exeptional dpm (nerfed), troll accuracy. It even lost red speed boost

[lone sandal]

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, it did lose super speedboost because that made it too strong

[shell thistle]

It was never too strong, it could only run around and shoot quickly

[lone sandal]

that is also wrong

[clear shuttle]

it was one of those tanks where it was strong in the hands of experienced players + experience players playing it in toons
while it was pretty mid in the hands of anyone else

[lethal fox]

What's the main difference between the Vk90.01 and the Maus? Like what sets them apart?

[bleak jewel]

The vk90.01's turret doesn't need angling to get bounces

[thorny timber]

Vk 90 mocks maus' Armor,that thing is a sidescraping beast...

[proud abyss]

Vk 90 is better in everything except having 400 hp less (when using improved assembly on both)

[lethal fox]

Poor Maus...

[past birch]

just buff somua i will happy i mean buff reload time

[remote sluice]

true somua sm is greatly overshadowed by amx 50 100. at least give it either 21s base full clip reload or 340 alpha

[stone drum]

Great idea, it's unfortunate that your locked to traverse equipment now.

[winter dagger]

Maus is a big meat shield, vk is like a bunker

[clear shuttle]

gun dep works if ur fine with the bad traverse

[stone drum]

Id rather not have borderline worst in tier mobility & traverse.
Giving it 2-3° more would make it actually viable.

[winter dagger]

Too viable, 1-2 is more than enough, getting near range of 40 is insanity

[stone drum]

Dude, it has 20° base on medium terrain, that is completely inadequate in tier X.

@winter dagger were not talking about that though, we are talking about it with gun depression equipement.

[winter dagger]

That's base, equip it with all the traverse you can get and it's way too much imo

[clear shuttle]

gun dep works out for me so 🤷‍♀️

[lone sandal]

yes guys lets bring back the old terror of type 71

[winter dagger]

I mean you can't unsee the fact it's basically an XL stb

[twin egret]

At most they should nerf the cupola on it

[fickle shoal]

*XXL

heavium STB variant when

[stone drum]

Old type 71 was 10 tons lighter, had 70 more hp, had 25% better crossing capacity, and 5° more traverse on the spot.

We aren't even remotely bringing it back, just giving it 2° or so more traverse doesn't do anything other than allow it to actually choose which equipment choice it would like to use.

[winter dagger]

Let's meet in the middle, 1.69 traverse buff

[west canopy]

Polish tanks a these good?

[winter dagger]

Meds or heavy

[solid sequoia]

Yes

[west canopy]

Both

[quasi finch]

Meds are terrible. Avarage tanks, but with no turret armour. Even stock tanks of a lower tier penetrate them.

Heavies are very good. Tier 8 is great! IS-3 of a normal person. Tier 10 is tolerable.

[proud abyss]

Ht tanks
Tier 10 is even better due to the balance changes
Tier 8 is one of the best tanks in the tier and its free
Tier 9 50TP tech tree is ok but there was a 50TP prototyp given away at the start of september and its much better

[winter dagger]

Polish meds are just boring, not special apart from reverse speed if you're running gear oil.
Polish Heavies are all really good, apart from tier 6 and 7, tiers 8,9, and 10 are exceptional and very forgiving. The 60TP does have some uncomfortable gun handling/little below average prammo pen, but the armor and HP are so good. I recommend running tungsten on all Polish tanks, regardless bad or good as the punchy alpha hurts, especially on the 60TP.
Recommendation: Ignore Polish meds until you've unlocked all other tier ten meds, and grind the 60TP instead, it'll be extremely worth it.

[west canopy]

Thanks bcz i doing the polish tanks rn

[keen oxide]

yk what would be balanced? if the minotauro got entirely removed :D

[elder pagoda]

Agree totally with opinion above 👆
But I think it would be better if wg delete this game at all, yes

[lilac anchor]

minotauro isnt fun to play or play against, its so slow, boring and annoying to shoot at, pleaseee delete it

[keen oxide]

100% agree

[fickle shoal]

(cue that one guy who rank 50'd it)

[wicked quest]

Minotauro is kinda a guilty pleasure it sucks to play but has an odd fun to it WG needs to just rework it entirely

[nimble zodiac]

They just need to give it real weakspots and then make the gun actually viable

[stone drum]

make the cupolas penetrable, buff the shell velocity, give it cheap hesh, and buff the dispersion to like AMX m4 or IS-7 levels

[keen oxide]

dont make its lower plate immortal to mediums and lights and some heavies, i came against so many minos in platoon with kermiks playing kpz, and everytime a mino appears med side with support, cant even pen him anywhere apart from the tiny weakspot on the hatch xD

[stone drum]

Tbf kpz can murder a mino.

[keen oxide]

ofc it can, but not frontally, and if i were to try pushing its side, there was a leo and some t62 and a t54 there, if i pushed it would have been an instant death lmao

[lethal minnow]

Why would they buff somua? Isnt it a Amx 50 100 but superior in everything aspect except reload time? If my memory isnt failing me it got 100 more alpha aswell to compensate reload time.

[clear shuttle]

if you play it with the 4 shot then ig 💀

[unique scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-huh-dog-gif-9454444978823724629

[fickle tinsel]

the armor

[lethal minnow]

My bad, imo armor makes up for a lot of it with pretty decent angle. I just finnishes the french heavy tree and if somebody is aiming your way you are blessed if a connecting shot dosnt end up doing dmg. Besides every somua player I seen recently have been doing very well for themselfs. I think a buff on reload time would just make it over powered.

[stone drum]

It's literally a straight worse Emil 1951

@lethal minnow 175mm is extremely low pen...

[lethal minnow]

Well it get mm:ed with tier 7’s. I played versus one yesterday and could only pen the top of the turret and lower plate with 175 pen. Mean while shooting a amx 50 100 is like shooting a papper bag.

[lethal minnow]

200mm of frontal armor with the Angle is pretty good compared to cardboard armor.

[stone drum]

Again, it's literally straight up worse than Emil 1951 and probably one of the worst tier 8 Clipper heavies.

[main tulip]

it's negated by the large cupola and how poor the gun is in general. 0.22 on the move dispersion, 0.344 accuracy, and incredibly long aim time on a 105mm is ridiculous

[slender latch]

It has better armor than the emil because of its height unlike emil being small so the effective armor is reduced when aiming at it.

[tired vector]

kran has became the best heavy?

[lapis halo]

Guys dont buy is 7 XD

[quasi finch]

Somua SM is indeed a real garbage nowaday

[hasty flicker]

Not really

[halcyon matrix]

It hasn't become the best heavy because it already was the best heavy

[drowsy plaza]

Don’t drive into open exposing vulnerable parts of your tank.

[fallow cedar]

What did they do to the kpz 50 t? I forgor

[thorny timber]

Make it even stronger although it was arugably already one of the best meds

[stone drum]

Nerf shell velocity and add tungsten.

[fallow cedar]

Do you think it was a good trade?

[stone drum]

I guess

[halcyon matrix]

More damage for slightly less often hitting gun, would call it a very beneficial trade

[wicked quest]

It has 5.2k dpm when used properly

[fickle shoal]

i've found myself up against 2 enemy meds and come out on top, tungdrenaline is a really good combo, along with the tank itself

woops replied to wrong person srry

[stone drum]

Honestly it's better to use them at different times so you can consistently keep your dpm up.

[void siren]

In exchange the somua has actual side armor

[exotic gorge]

Somua’s Armor is good only on paper. They just write the highest number that plate has, but 90% of turrets armor is insanely lower than thise numbers. Thats typical wrong number written by wargaming. We tested it armor with friend.

[uneven turtle]

Ayo u finally agreed with me for once

[stone drum]

✅

[acoustic estuary]

That’s a first.

[lethal minnow]

Well compared to the amx 100 50 you trade ~1 shot per minute and slightly worse Gun handeling (that is already pretty good) for some armor. I just finished the french heavy tech tree and practiclly all the french heavies lacks in terms of armor. If you make a peek and take a connecting shot, you are touched by the angels of it dosnt penetrate. That is not necessarily the case for the somua

A few bounces once in a while make up for 1 shot a minute in my opinion. A buff on reload would just make it a buffed amx 50 100 with next to nothing in terms of notable down side and huge advantage in terms of being armored.

[exotic gorge]

You cant compaire written numbers if they doesnt show realy. And they doesnt. We tried it with frinds. 200 is pick on bottom of turret, most of turetts armor not even close to 120-150, its always easy to beat with 180 pen.

[lethal minnow]

https://armor.wotinspector.com/en/blitz/17729-somua-sm/?mode=xray.textures

Looks to me like you need about 230mm to pen upper front hull. And As you know some tier 7-8 dont have the best despersion and Aim time for week spots nor the pen.

[winter dagger]

Shell velocity Nerf is not even that big a Nerf Lmao. I know, it's that it's practically nothing got traded for free tungsten 🤷‍♂️

[stone drum]

I wasn't drawing conclusions, I was just saying what happened.

@winter dagger basically, dont know why they bother with shell velocity nerfs tbh.

[exotic gorge]

I have it in my hangar. What is not understandable? Its nothing to do with wrong information posted everywhere. And this tank not only one with wrong numbers. There too many. We tested it — three words “take it, test it” easy. Dont you get? Am i using another language

[lethal minnow]

Thats a nice little summation from you, thanks. In the future i will disregard all the statistics and ask you and your friend to test it out.

[acoustic estuary]

With what did you test it. And could we see the tests in questions?

[exotic gorge]

No, No. Why. You can believe in any conspiracy theory also if you want so. But that has nothing to do with Somua. Its worse than every single tank with 3 bullets on level 8.

Progetto, Wz 111.

Haparal, you can go try yourself. I didnt take it for ya or this one guy here, you can beleive without doung any.

[acoustic estuary]

Showing no proof whatsoever, and not responding to my questions is really genius.
At least stats hold something of an argument.
While you have no proof and no credibility.

[lethal minnow]

I just find it amusing that you try to riddecule me with things like ”what is not understandable” ”dont you get it?” and ”am i speaking another language” when your argument is ”no the numbers are wrong i tested it with friends.” 😆

[stone drum]

Don't forget the massive hit to mobility somua takes.

[lethal minnow]

Im aware of the mobility takes a hit, but still far superior compared to most tanks in that teir especially heavies. it’s a diffrence compared to amx 100 50 sure but still not really lacking in that compartment based on tier.

[acoustic estuary]

Amx 50 100 didn’t feel that fast when i used it tbh. I would have taken a better armored amx 50 100 then a slightly faster amx

[stone drum]

It's still significantly worse the both the 50 100 and somuas closest competitor, the Emil 1951.

Emil is basically just straight up better than somua. Somua trades away the 50 100s amazing gun for one of the worst heavy guns at tier 8 in return for unreliable at best armour. Most tier 8 heavies will have little issue punching straight through its poorly protected turret.

[lethal minnow]

I dont think a amazing gun would equal the worst gun on that tier just by adding 1 tenth of a seccond extra aim time and 8% more dispersion.

I agree the turret is not that well protected but the armor over all still allow some bounces. Anyhow we both presented out points and not really going anywhere i think we will have to settle with the good old agree to disagree.

[main tulip]

The Emil has a mediocre gun, not an amazing gun, which is why it becomes the worst when you make it worse

[storm spoke]

EMIL I has a mediocte gun. 1951 has a good gun

[main tulip]

both are rather mediocre when you compare them to single shot 105mm at the tier, or to the AMX 50 100

[cunning socket]

But 1951 has literally no armour in the frontline. 53TP ftw

[storm spoke]

51 is not a really good frontline tank. It should be used accordingly. However it bears no comparison with 53tp. Not only is 53tp one the best tank in t8 its a single shot high alpha tank

[cunning socket]

I was not comparing 51 and 53tp those are separate points. If you want a traditional hulldown clipper which can hold positions emil 1 is the one

[keen smelt]

Nerf standard pls too cool tank

[ancient rampart]

Drop the Ferdinand down to tier 7 with the removal of it's 128mm
It's armor would make it a fairly viable TD similar to the Jagdtiger/Jageroo in tier 7

[queen aspen]

bruh you guys rich and I am a newbie 😦

[tepid forge]

you are at lowtier?

[sand field]

Buff cent 1 pls

[thorny timber]

The whole line has nothing special other than hesh after 10.3

[winter dagger]

It's already good lol

[sand field]

wdym

[winter dagger]

Cent 1 is quite good right now, it's not the best, but it's really fun with the hesh and the turret is good, hull is very meh, I feel like only buff is to make it more accurate (this is what I mean

[sand field]

No the turret is far from "good" its workable but most prem shells can cut right through it, it has literally an armour that is utterly useless most of the time, Defender mk1 has the same exact hull armour but it compensates it with its turret, similar like the mk5/1 having frontal turret 254mm and 90mm roof turret whilst Cent 1 have a measly 175 front, 69 roof, sure yeah it has Hesh with crazy 3k dpm but that's about it really, mobility is aight, you're not wrong about the shells not going where it supposed to be tho, 2.8 sec aiming time or 0.27 dispersion doesn't feel like it made much difference ☠️

hell actually even 180 pen can cut right through it (the roof I mean)

[winter dagger]

Turret is meant to be used against mainly inaccurate tanks and some meds with low pen, the gun mantlet eats shells, it may not be prem tank level but sitting still is not the way to play it. It's basically the 4202 of tier 8 imo, without mobility, so mobility buff possibly, but armor gives it a fun and skill aspect I like, having more armor makes it boring imo, I just like to play difficult tanks so it's jus Me. And don't forget, against t7, that hesh is a death sentence

[sand field]

duh hesh is deadly against any, but imo Pershing is more viable than Cent 1, even though it has less turret armour all round, less dpm bit slower than Cent 1 too

[winter dagger]

The Pershing is the definition of tier 8 med, it's the baseline for a tier 8 med to be either good or bad, and while it's more reliable, it don't mean the cent doesn't have some of those strengths, it just feels a little lacking due to the huge amount of tier 8 med prems doing its "role" better (from the owner of defender mk1 and cent mk1). Defender is the insane clip and turret, cent mk1 is the turret and hull, cent 1 is meant to be more gun, but lacks because defender has a deadlier gun imo, and the hull armor is very weak. Pershing is more forgiving because of the smaller tank profile also and larger gun mantle

[sand field]

Cent 1 probably feels awkward to play because the hull is so much bigger/exposed than the rest of the mediums ☠️

[winter dagger]

And that's where a hull buff to make it troll when hulldown will help it against meds, against heavies, it should not face that lineup, as hesh is best for flanking, if it was like a t8 4202 having a strong hull but maybe keeping the weak turret will improve how comfortable it is to drive (as the mantle is a sponge for shells). It would make the cent 1 improve on its awkwardness but I love that the hesh and weak turret armor like the unbuffed 4202 gives it that fun because you need some skill, turret can still be troll but it needs to have a little bit more to be very good, right now it's only good in that sense where it works correctly, aside from being unreliable at times

[sand field]

Mobility buff would definitely be nice to compensate for its lack of close-to-non-existent-armour

[winter dagger]

More like acceleration, top speed of 50 is good for that size lol, imagine that thing ramming you at 55 or smth, don't want that. Terrain resistance, H.P engine buff with acceleration and overall power-to-weight will make it bit more different from its two centurion counterparts. It doesn't need buffs, just updates to make it fluid and comfortable for the average casual

[sand field]

it has better acceleration than some meds lol (though I can see very clear when I reach the top speed and seeing the other meds with slower accel but higher top speed overtaking)

[stone drum]

(P.s Cent 1 only goes 45kph after being Buffed from 40kph)

[winter dagger]

Yes I meant buff to 50, 45 is slow, slow, slow

[sand field]

2nd Slowest med after Eagle 7 💀 (before 45 top speed buff)

[lethal minnow]

How about you put some glasses on and read what is being said instead of comming with a cheeky comeback when you dont really know what is being discussed. 1 tenth of a seccond extra Aim time and 8% more desparsion compared to the amx 100 50 not the emil. Amx 100 50’s Gun is really good so i hardly think 8% and some extra 1 tenth of a seccond would make it the worst gun of the tier.

@thorny timber ?

[thorny timber]

Ah crap,here comes the personal targeting

[exotic ginkgo]

Is the tornvagn worth it

[stone drum]

That 42kph top speed is pain

@winter dagger still tho, in a world where tiger 1 exists, eagle 7 can just be pain.

[sand field]

True..

[stone drum]

To start off Somua has significantly worse handling .22/.22/.16 is Much worse than .16/.16/.12, secondly somua has significantly worse dispersion, 8% is actually a very large chunk. Next in terms of aimtime Somua Sm has an estimated aimtime of 4.4s vs the AMX 50 100s 3.6s that's nearly a second longer to aim for worse accuracy. This is in turn compounded by the face the Somua looses nearly 300 dpm with its massive 23.21s Clip reload stacked against 50 100s 18.57s.

The Somua trades away all those gun stats for an unreliable turret that cannot even reliably bounce other tier 8 heavies.

[winter dagger]

Funny speed boost be like:

[sand field]

Tiger 1 is just straight up Medium bully 🗿

[chilly crane]

English please.

[sage geyser]

best tier 10 med or light for comp play?

[autumn glen]

Smasher should be rebalanced! It deals way to much damage for it's tier.

[thorny timber]

its not the alpha that its breaking it,its the fact how every tier 7 heavy has rather bad gun handling no matter how much effective their dpm is,with smasher being an exception for no reason.

[winter dagger]

Meds aren't that great for comp rn, but leo might be used as quick spotting in some comps

[sage geyser]

tier 6-7 all have bad gun handling in genreral

[autumn glen]

My garage 🥲

[lethal minnow]

No, no, no we already been over this you and me. First of all the comment wasnt intended for you, it was for the Guy trying to correct me using his own comparables instead the the compables that was given.

The gun handling is not the worst in the tier and if you truly belive that i think you should start looking into all the tier 8 tanks because you are wrong and should not express yourself in that matter. Additional 8% despersion is quite chunky however taking into account what gun it is that is being compared to it’s not a biggie since it still better than most tanks in that tier bracket. Turn rate on the turret is being worse on the somua with the compensation of depression/ elevation and is a better trade of for somua in my opinion, since you can make Quick peeks and fire over ridges without problem. Idk where you got the aim time stats from, it’s a 4% diffrence in aim time, not half a seccond amx 2,2 sec somua 2,31 sec.

However, i thought our discussion about the somua were over? We both made our points and clearly disagree. What is the point in continue the discussion when we cant/wont settle on common ground. It’s not benfical for anyone just a big circle jerk. I dont got patience in order to argue just for the sake of it. I dont think a buff i justified and you do thats the end off it.

[solid sequoia]

BC 25t and obj 140

[sage geyser]

how abt 907 cuz it apperently has tracer shells now

[livid patio]

u dont wanna see mine ...

[autumn glen]

Ik u have t10 or better tanks than me

[fickle tinsel]

amx 30b?? also the 907 has tracer shells now in addition to top tier camo rating

bc might be viable no way the 140 is better than a 30b or 907 though

907 with tracer shells and aiming reticle to guarantee pens on weak spots will be invaluable imo

[livid patio]

uhm ... i researched the whole german tech tree with in 2k battles

[nocturne mauve]

Overrated, it’s so easy to counter

[glad cove]

Buff sta1

[stone drum]

I got the aimtime stats from in-game.

While the handling isn't worst in class, it is still definitely on the lower end of heavies armed with 100mm guns in tier 8.

[lethal minnow]

Amx 50 100 got 49% winrate. Sm Is one of the best performing heavies in game on that tier in terms of winrate and got the exact same dpb as your highly regarded emil. It performer better than amx 50 100 over all and most heavies for that matter. I will block you now you are just keep on comming.

[void siren]

yes and the emil 1951 stomps it

[queen geyser]

This argument is completly not valid tho, its normal that premium tanks perform better server wise then TT, even when TT tanks are better then many premiums, for example 53TP

I would only maybe agree to a Point where Somua is fine the way it is because of how it performs server wise in comparesion to other premiums
(i think somua is fine btw, there are plenty of vehicles that need more Attention)

[lethal minnow]

Maybe in a one vs one but regarding to stats they perform the same more or less. Lets be honest now people the discussion is about somua needing a buff. Why would they buff a tank with 54% winrate?

@queen geyser ofc it’s valid dont be fooled now tanks are balanced based on performance not on stats And somua doing just fine.

Players got a part in defining the performance of the tank. With that Said i contated wg earlier in form of tickets with the topic of tank chnages. Buffs/nerfs are completly based on how they perform over all in battle.

[queen geyser]

So you would say that IS3 Defender is better then 53TP because it has better server Performance?

[lethal minnow]

No, i been saying all along is that a buff on somua isnt justified. And thats it.

@queen geyser Well you call it what you want. However i know wg base changes depending on battle performance. So it’s à completly fine point to make.

[queen geyser]

Agreed, I just think its weird pulling out server Stats like it would be the answer to everything

[stone drum]

I'm sorry, but if you cannot calmly debate your position then this channel might not be the best area for you.

@queen geyser not even arguing about a buff, I'm Literally arguing in rejection of his statement Somua is straight up better than AMX 50 100. He has quite persistently stated blatantly false things.

[winter dagger]

Ig nobody gon use leo 1 the highest dpm med

[lethal minnow]

How am i not dabting calmly exactly? Please be so kind to elaborate on that. I responded to a comment about how the somua should be buffed. If you didnt know what were being argued in the first place why even join the discussion?

[tulip ivy]

How would y’all play the Basilisk? Just got it but haven’t used it yet.

[lethal minnow]

Hard to respond when you make things up isnt it? Dont bother i will block you now.

[winter dagger]

"one of the best performing" my guy the 252u is somehow doing better than the sm with more than triple the battles and it's considered by some to be outdated due to the type 57 being the better version of it. Even Emil 1951 is better, and that has much more mobility and a better gun imo, armor don't matter unless you're a single shot tank imo

[stone drum]

You have in several instances disregarded etiquette in favor of personal attacks which are simply put, unacceptable.

As I stated earlier I made my point in rejection to your statement here: #tank-balance-discussion message In which you make the claim that the Somua SM is an AMX 50 100 that has been directly upgraded in every aspect. I do not view this as the case, I see the large gun & mobility trade-offs the Somua makes as definite downsides it has relative to the AMX 50 100 as you compared it too. I however have at no point made any assertation that the Somua is in dire need of a buff.

My stance is simply the rejection of the false statement that the Somua is wholly, directly better than the AMX 50 100.

[queen geyser]

Kekw armor dosnt matter unless youre a single shot, best statement I heard so far 🤪

[winter dagger]

Next time I see you I'll yolo in my tvp, you do 900, I do 1200. Clippers don't need armor to be good, the BC is the best light rn cause 1k clip (spotting range was dumb buff) and tvp is still viable my guy. Down in tier 8 why do you think the borrasque is good???? You should Know why. Now some clippers lack mobility in exchange for armor, but that's the trade-off. Most played right wants you to take little to no damage as you can use your hp later on the be very Aggressive. TLDR: armor helps in many aspects but can be worked Around. Only tanks that don't follow this is Emil 1 and kran imo

[stone drum]

How 252u manages to stay ontop truly is beyond me.

My only hope is that he isn't french, lol.

[queen geyser]

Kekw

[winter dagger]

It's been idk 4 years or something since release and it's still doing well even with the 100 new tier 8 prems which is Wild. Somehow bro got mad enough to block you over an opinion/debate? Lmao

[stone drum]

💀

I'm going to Photoshop "T77" over that now

[lethal minnow]

Point out one of these personal attacks pretty please and contact the admin while your at it. Thank you

@winter dagger stating my character with empty words and nothing to show for it yes. Seems more of a personal attack to me than what i been writen in here so far. So stated more about him than me.

[winter dagger]

He doesn't need to whine to an admin, he's just stating your character

[fickle tinsel]

i doubt in tournaments. Too big+he-able

[orchid grove]

Russian clans might use them. At least before the Lesta split, CIS comp meta was ultra-light

[stone drum]

Here you go.
#tank-balance-discussion message#tank-balance-discussion message#tank-balance-discussion message#tank-balance-discussion message

[fickle tinsel]

people are always like lower plate Waah waaah. You can literally sidescrape. The pike is so strong you can side scrape and be invincible

[wooden lynx]

gasp that is very rude

[stone drum]

It's a shame when people can't communicate with others they disagree with in a thoughtful manner.

[lethal minnow]

As i Said just empty word not a single personal attack in any of these. Many people use a bounch of nonsens in a attempt to strenghten their argument in a disengenuous way. Fyi people that follow blindly are called sheep.😂@winter dagger

[obtuse dawn]

CS-63 Need more dmg and more HP

[main tulip]

Such as yourself, because you're flat out wrong about the Somua

[lethal minnow]

You must have missunderstood the meaning of the term. Becuase a sheep is refered to someone that follow blindly. That would not be me considering i been holding my ground and been firm with my opinion. Maybe a google of the meaning would give you greater understanding.

Regarding the sumua im not wrong dosnt need a buff at all.

[fickle tinsel]

How is the somua a bad tank. It might be worse than some other autoloaders but its still better than most tanks at t8. It's just that all the 2 and 3 shot heavies are really strong.

If all 4 three shot heavies are in the top 10 that doesn't mean the 4th ranking 3shot heavy is a bad tank lol it's still near the top overall.

you could try arguing that it's not worth to buy because there are alternatives but in that case you are comparing value, because realistically you'd only buy it in the bundle with the t77 where it's only like 4.5k additional gold vs the premium emil which is either 7.5k or 12k i forget

[winter dagger]

It needs more uniqueness

[main tulip]

I meant that you are using a bunch of nonsense in your argument. Which you are, based on what you just wrote

[lethal minnow]

Elaborate…did i make things up like fosch guy did with ”personal attacks”

[winter dagger]

Yes I know but many people are just saying "outdated" due to type 57 being quite similar with more gun depression

[fickle tinsel]

i find the type 57s armor to be significantly worse. the turrets aren't even comparable

[winter dagger]

Type does have a easier cupola to hit, but probably the main argument they have is the gun depression and comfortability lol, I find the 252 works well enough still that it isn't bad due to powercreep just the gun likes to shoot at the moon sometimes

[lethal minnow]

Guess not, i saw you typing 3 times But stoppet yourself… since nonsense is inaccurate information and i only been stating facts and personal opinions you cant really call it nonsense. Please be more thoughtful when making an argument like that in the future.

If you want to make a point think it through.

[void siren]

That’s the purpose of this channel

[main tulip]

Well you started a whole segment about sheep for pretty much no reason, despite no one clearly being one - we're all arguing based on our experiences with the tank. Also, you conveniently left out the fact that Somua has massively worse dispersion values and 16% worse DPM when comparing stats to the AMX - whether this was due to negligence or because you wanted to twist the argument in your favor, it's nonsense nonetheless
@lethal minnow

And I was eating, no ones on discord 24/7 lmao

[burnt venture]

What is up with these people complaining about tier 8 premiums. You chose to buy them. If you dislike them, cope and seethe.

[queen geyser]

Ah hell naw another one of these, so in your opinion the Somua is so bad that it should be buffed yes?

[lethal minnow]

I already disputed the fact that im a sheep by holding my position in this matter quite firmly since start. Regarding the tank stats it’s all been stated if you scroll up. Somua dont need a buff end of story.

[main tulip]

Once again, I didn't call you a sheep. And I don't think anyone here is one, which is why I called you out for bringing it up

@queen geyser it should be rebalanced but not totally buffed. No 105mm at tier 8 deserves to handle as bad as the Somua's does. Same goes for the EMIL 1951, I am the biggest EMIL 1951 hater you'll ever find.

[winter dagger]

I enjoy the STG

[lethal minnow]

Well it was brought up that i couldnt conduct a civilised conversation with nothing backing that argument at all. When i question him about it my character was put in question instead by another user based on the empty claim from the first comment. Thats why i saw it fitting to bring up what people whom following others blindly based on nothing but a statment are seen as, generally speaking. Is it completly out of order in your opinion?

[round sand]

Shame on WG on giving the 269v4 a weak roofplate

[main tulip]

He gave you several examples where you made personal attacks though

[lethal minnow]

No he didnt. He tagged a bunch of messages but nothing that would be concidered a personal attack on somebody. I even invited him to ping the admins but he didn’t. im pretty sure moderators would just be asking if he is trolling or not. Like come on a question mark is considered a personal attack now? Stating that somebody is relentless and you intend to block them? 😆

[main tulip]

I mean they might not be "attacks" but you certainly don't give off the vibe of being calm and collected

[burnt venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932992678222766100/968545146708824094/ezgif-3-df032e241058.gif

[lethal minnow]

I guess you can make a hypothesis for that. In any case it’s pretty bold to state that was the case for sure. I would argue it’s mostly played out in how fast and loud you speak very hard to diffrentiate in a writen message.

Lets say how the message plays out is in the hands of the reader.

[void siren]

You’re uhh in the wot blitz server

[solid sequoia]

Ah yes, because this is a good representation of society. And the hypocrisy only makes this funnier

[lethal minnow]

Lol, words carries the message the tone of the text is set by the reader let’s not play anygames now. I didnt made any personal attacks and you know it. What i Said about sheep was perfectly in order, maybe not necessary but still not out of touch. @main tulip

[main tulip]

That's just not true lol, you are setting the tone and doing so in a way that tries to position yourself on the high ground - such as when you tell me to "put on glasses" or to Google words you assume I do not know

[lethal minnow]

Well, sorry to say but you are wrong. In order to determine what state of mind somebody is in is judged almost only on tone of their voice little bit of body language and least of the message they carry. However you just seem to be in denail at this point. So maybe we can stick to the tank topic and if you abaolutly want to continue the discussion just dm me.

[main tulip]

You are correct in that it is much harder to tell over text. But all of this is honestly just copium to avoid responsibility for any misunderstanding or insulting people. Every sentence can imply something, regardless of whether it is spoken or written.

[pale coral]

I just want to know why the Panther 88 is slower than the Panther 2 by 4 hp/t on medium terrain while having less armor

[main tulip]

Because they buffed the 2 but forgot about the 88

[pale coral]

Sad, the poor thing goes like 35km/h on desert sands

[lethal minnow]

Yes how irresponsible of me sending a question mark and saying i inted to block sombody or that time when i wrote about tank stats and it was considered a monsterous personal attack by my end. Now i see my flaws trying to hide my agenda of those absolutly horrific comments i made. How could i ever send anybody a questionmark i hope god still let’s me in to heaven when my time is due.

On a more serious note, send me a dm if you want to keep going. Let’s leave this channel for the tank discussion.

[obtuse falcon]

Just my opinion but the T49 should have a premium shell with 200~ mm of penetration and it’s HE should be free

[main tulip]

Nah it should have premium HE and regular HE

[pale coral]

Isn't its HE already free?

[solid sequoia]

No

[orchid grove]

Both the HE and HEAT should be premium to stop people from spamming the tank

[main tulip]

They should give it 100 m/s shell velocity

[primal yacht]

When using HESH with the GSOR, I’m not getting near the specified damage range when I hit a Light Tank, or the rear of any tank. Most hits are in the lower range between 20-400 damage. I’m lucky when I get 400 out of a good hit. I hit a T49 twice and did a total of only 200 damage. Shouldn’t I be scoring higher HP hits?

[fickle tinsel]

you're not penning. yellow/orange overlay means it'll only splash

[primal yacht]

OK, but how do you not pen a T49 with 187 average pen (using calibrated shells) ?

[fickle tinsel]

you shot spaced armor which on the t49 could be the tracks or you hit a very steep angle which increased the effective thickness beyond 187.

you can also hit the gun barrel which does 0

[primal yacht]

OK, thanks. Just trying it out for the first time. Just scored 2 400+ hits on a Tier 9 Bat-Chat. I guess I was hoping for 500-600 HP damage hits, but it doesn’t look like I’m going to see those. With paper, well, maybe cardboard armor, I’m not seeing any revealing characteristics of this tank. 400 damage is pretty common amongst Tier 8s.

[fickle tinsel]

the gsor hesh has 440 alpha so all hesh pens will be in that range

https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/gsor-1008

[main tulip]

Max roll is a 550, most of your hits will be in the 400 range

[fickle tinsel]

rip. isn't the su 130 maxroll 600 with only 20 more alpha for ap

[main tulip]

It's 575

[uneven turtle]

I can’t tell if you’re joking or trolling or actually asking for it to be implemented

[obtuse falcon]

Just saying it needs a premium shell with more pen. And yeah, I realized free HE on the T49 wouldn’t be a good idea.

[stone drum]

It's not even that, it's just explaining that somua isn't outright better than amx 50 100

[winter dagger]

bruh you use it to splash damage ppl cause trash heat pen lol

[unique scaffold]

I know i asking here doesn't make this tank any difference but when T62A gets a PBR model?

[uneven turtle]

Still not a good idea

[clear vine]

When will supertester be open if don’t mind me asking

[obtuse falcon]

It’s a fast rhm with a garbage gun. Only decent thing about it is speed and HE pen

[uneven turtle]

We don’t need a sheri at t8 that can outspot hts and pen them frontally

[tulip ivy]

We need a Finnish line of tanks.
(Finland tech tree)

[next rain]

what tanks would be in it?

[fickle shoal]

mostly "interesting" fake tanks and lend lease with modifications (cough, bt42)

[remote sluice]

if T49 needs anything, it is a HEAT pen buff from 167 to 187 or smth and its gonna be good. otherwise, its fine as it is

[keen smelt]

Is that a t30 in pbr?

[winter dagger]

y e s

[uneven turtle]

T49 is a fine tank as it is. No one played it for the stats because it was a specialised tank specifically for fun. No one ever begged for buffs on pen till now for some reason

And we don’t need a t8 sheri with the capacity of penning most ht lower plates

[nimble scroll]

this tank DESERVES a damage, aim time and mobility boost. Change my mind. It has already received an improvement before but it wasnt sufficient considering its a fragile hybrid nation tier 8 tank
Or at least give it a special ability like some hybrid nation tanks?

[uneven turtle]

Give it 1-2 more degrees of gun dep and it’ll feel more golden

[nimble scroll]

No lol, that wouldnt change a thing, my proposals are the following:

Depression angle: 8 -> 10

Reloading time: 7.1 -> 6.7

Mobility (its supposed to have a tier 10 engine but it barely feels like tier 8):
Horsepower: 670 -> 710
Terrain Resistance: road 109 -> 130, ground 91 -> 109, water 73 -> 91

Gun (most important in my opinion):
Aiming time: 4.3 -> 3.8
Dispersion: 0.35 -> 0.33

[uneven turtle]

240 is like having 330 alpha in t8. Mobility and aim time I agree but the damage is actually fine as it is. Majority of other t8 mts don’t have an alpha past 225 and most of their armor is non existent

[nimble scroll]

Oh... i think youre right. Instead of the damage boost it should have 1 or 2 more degrees of depression angle, like you said

[stone drum]

I would just give it -15° of gun depression.

[ancient rampart]

English only

[lone fjord]

I've notice the huge armor nerf in the CS-52 LIS just now and it's not how I expected it, everything can pen it frontal now, and I feel like it ruins the fun for that tank, I'd love to see at least 100mm of armor on the front, if not 90mm

[ancient rampart]

Ciursing and insulting English speakers isn't going to change the fact that this discord server is English only

[fringe quest]

🤣

[remote sluice]

english only

[nimble scroll]

I mean, its obvious theyre translating it.

[plain wagon]

English only, please don't insult everyone. If you want to stay in this server and suggest something, you better follow the rules and speak english, there is no point insulting and cursing.

[fickle tinsel]

@brave dragon

[gleaming apex]

icemanrx7 was banned.

[brave dragon]

Please do not send such replies with insults to people who violate the rules. @fickle tinsel

[nimble scroll]

bruh he got banned for saying bad words, or he did something worse and i missed it?

[scarlet carbon]

hey everyone, just wanted to know what are future plans on grille 15? maybe increase its speed to 80km/h and reduce its damage per shot to 200, cuz grille is too OP imo

[remote sluice]

200 is too much, 160 will do

[fickle tinsel]

he was raging in spanish

@nimble scroll you must be a little slow in the head. I'm not even british and that's obvious because I have the NA role 🤦‍♂️. @brave dragon not sure if you're able to see deleted messages but he just did exactly what you warned me for and then deleted it. Bro went on some anti-british tirade even tho I have NA role 🧠💡

[proud abyss]

What happened ere

[lethal minnow]

Lol “80km/h” soon we might see a grille doing donuts on you before you get the chance to leave spawn.😆

[nimble scroll]

Forgot this server is international and not EU only

[fickle tinsel]

Britain isn't the only country in the EU either, genius

[hasty flicker]

Britain isn't in EU anymore

[lethal minnow]

What does that have to do with anything? As the server for europa is refered to as EU-server. As far as i know england is a part of europe.

[fickle tinsel]

I'm talking about the EU server

[autumn zodiac]

Nah, they'll give it 5° of traverse

So it can only go forward

[scarlet phoenix]

😆

[sage tangle]

gib maus 150mm

[nimble scroll]

Its the only english speaking country, though, and also the one most likely to confuse portuguese with spanish or mexican

[keen flame]

it to much intill a 183 he you without spall

[fickle tinsel]

Huh??? Most of Europe is fluent in english. otherwise this server wouldn't be english only 🤦‍♂️

[winter dagger]

It's the official languages in some of them lul

[modern heart]

copy paste from the web:

English is the official language of 67 different countries and 27 non-sovereign entities around the world. But apart from that, English is also spoken in many countries where it’s not an official language.

In fact, some countries where English is commonly spoken may have more than one official language. Many countries use English as a lingua franca or a de facto working language to facilitate communication between citizens who speak different languages or dialects.

[nimble scroll]

None of you understood what I said, but I dont care, this channel is for tank balance discussion not anything else.

[drowsy plaza]

@nimble scroll technically no that’s #vehicles-discussion this is Tank Balance

[stone drum]

Both kanonenjagdpanzer and AMX Canon d'assuat (CDA) should receive a buff. In particular both should receive increased top speed, AP primary rounds, and slightly more dpm.

[void siren]

So they should be able to perform like a normal td instead of sucking

Yeah… they need a buff

[proud abyss]

How wasKanonen released in overpriced crates when it sucks

[tulip ivy]

I would like an explanation from WG bout this. @stone drum u get ghost shells a lot?

[frigid urchin]

the shell went a few pixels off the hatch on the right

[tulip ivy]

Ok so basically rng hates me soo much I didn’t even hit it 😂

[lone fjord]

yep

[winter dagger]

T25 pilot was in crates on release soooooo

[stone drum]

I don't get Ghost shells, but I do get mega-trolled by RNG all too frequently.

[main tulip]

Every new tank is released in crates except T77

[scenic olive]

The mod1 needs a buff urgently

[main tulip]

You mean the AMX Canon d'Assaut :)

[stone drum]

Shhh

[autumn zodiac]

@stone drum you got it wrong?

[stone drum]

Possibly...

[autumn zodiac]

[main tulip]

fake french smh

[stone drum]

So fake its even on the French governments defense website. : )

@autumn zodiac I said Char d'assaut not Canon d'assaut .

[autumn zodiac]

You didn't capitalize the D

[fickle shoal]

think he's talking about you, not the tank, for the crime of not naming a french tank right

[main tulip]

think you tagged the wrong person (?)

[fickle shoal]

yup, i outta turn down my dpi one of these days..

[analog tide]

Give is 4 a second chance , why u turned it into a heavium?

[main tulip]

It's honestly too slow to be a heavium, it's just a bad heavy now

[autumn zodiac]

It's not bad it's just not a crutch for poor performing players anymore

[waxen osprey]

Just play an e5 or a type71 instead lol

[main tulip]

yeah even when they announced the change on discord I was thinking why anyone would play it over the new E5

[warm zenith]

Whyd they make the basilisks top gun make sound? I know it was intentional but honestly i think they shoulda kept it as a gimmick

[umbral shard]

IS-4 is still usable, it just takes more skill to play than before because the armor is useless against premmo now

[iron hearth]

No reason to play is4 over t110e5

[devout ravine]

183 got more shells. that means... MOAR HESH!

[ancient rampart]

Why play the IS-4 when you can play the Obj 260

[verbal igloo]

One is a collector the other isnt

[remote sluice]

IS-4 is def still usable, but theres rlly no reason to play it when the E5 and 215b exists

E5 has more armor, dpm, better gun handling

215b is much faster, has better gun handling, dpm, super consumables and 🅱️esh

[tawdry iris]

Lacks armour

[wooden lynx]

IS-4 frontal hull is weak even against AP now...

Still usable but it doesn't have the purpose of tanking shells like a champ like before...

[winter dagger]

It's a failed heavium

[severe valve]

I don’t know where to post this so I’ll just put it here. The matchmaking needs a severe update. There is no reason why I should wait in queue for 3-5 minutes regularly for a game when it clearly says there are 30+ tanks of the same tier waiting. The tanks do not need to be matched perfectly by tank type every time. Please make it faster and allow some matchup diversity into the game.

[burnt venture]

Bro couldn't be bothered to read that MM discussion isn't allowed here

[severe valve]

This is the channel that is the most related to the thing I want to point out under “chat with devs”

[burnt venture]

#tank-balance-discussion message

Go complain in General chat lol

[severe valve]

I think I’ll complain wherever I want “lol”. If they want to ignore it, which they probably will, that’s on them.

[fickle tinsel]

of course they'll ignore it you're whining in the wrong channel 🧠

[solid sequoia]

No

[burnt venture]

[severe valve]

They won’t read any of the other channels 🧠

[fickle tinsel]

Ok congrats then you wasted your time and argued for no reason

[severe valve]

I still posted it regardless. But yeah sprint let me take your helpful suggestion and post this in a chat where someone just talked about how they like gravy on their pizza. But you’re right, it definitely fits more there 🧠

Who knows man, maybe WG will order that guy some domino’s pizza with gravy because they read the general chat and it has a priority?

[fickle tinsel]

You posted it in the one channel where it's explicitly against the rules to discuss smart one you are

[severe valve]

Yeah and that guy posted about pizza in the general blitz discussion? What’s your point?

If anything that just proves they don’t even read the general chat unless there is some sort of egregious problem. If general chat was an effective way of communicating with WG, they would have left gen chat the way it was in game in 2014

[fickle tinsel]

people still like discussing balance here without getting crybaby spam about MM and you would surely get punished if someone actually decided to ping the mods

[winter dagger]

Tank balance specifically

[severe valve]

Im not even talking about the players if you read what I originally said I’m talking about the amount of time it takes to start a game which is directly related to how tanks are balanced, or more specifically classed, beyond the standard HT MT LT TD that you see in game. It’s why if there is any difference in what is spat out in the final groupings for teams, maybe there is one heavy in place of a TD. I.e 183 and 50B are classed the same as “tank hunters” (unless they have done away with that system completely) What I’m saying is that it’s taking way too long and this part of the balance of how they are classified can be changed to lessen queue times, especially when there are 30+ tanks in a tier X queue, and not even counting tier IX. The way it is now is seems too restrictive, and as time goes on I think those restrictions decrease but it still takes too long.

[fickle tinsel]

I'm not reading allat 🤣

[severe valve]

Then you shouldn’t be acting like an insolent child threatening to ping the mods just because you think it goes in the wrong channel if you’re not even reading what I’m saying. “🤣”

Am I crazy cru?

[drowsy plaza]

You took a lot of words to describe a simply aspect that the tank matching algorithm is flawed due to the variety of type of tanks in a category. But you take that as a bug not a feature. Non symmetrical teams make different map strategies important. Edit because of cooldown that I still am not used to. Better players can adapt to differing teams faster than less experienced/skilled players. So one should look a the non symmetrical tank composition as a benefit.

[severe valve]

Yes that’s what I’m saying. I want more variety not less. Because it is taking too long to match 7v7. I would prefer non symmetrical. So… can that be looked at at all? So we aren’t waiting 5 minutes to play a mobile game? The wait time is longer than the battle, and that’s just bad.

[burnt venture]

When queue times are just 1 minute too long:
https://tenor.com/view/cursed-emoji-fist-emoji-crying-emoji-emoji-fist-gif-20999569

[ionic pond]

I guess its much easier to play on PC, without any special filters on throwing you into mixed controls game

Hate to say but tablet is a game changer for the Wot Blitz. Not worth to play blitz on phone

[severe valve]

I play on tablet now and it takes much longer to get into a game than it did 3-4 years ago

[crude mulch]

There should be a battle mode against AI because it's really bad to play online

[ionic pond]

I want bots/AI to take over the losers who dare to leave the game from start or mid-match. I am tired playing 6v7 just to carry my team of NPCs for the win XD

Please add them sooner

[crude mulch]

I agree with you

[lucid torrent]

I agree, but they are afraid it would kill the PvP player pool, especially if you get rewards playing against AI

[drowsy plaza]

It happens to everyone you aren’t unique. AI/Bots is too exploitable for riggers, so it’s not likely to happen. Besides how do you balance the AI? Make them a muppet or super unicum.

[crude mulch]

It's funny when the agent starts the game, artificial intelligence is the first to know where we are

[ionic moss]

What if they added training with AI no rewards and a difficulty from 1 to 10

[crude mulch]

World of warships is the only one that has a battle against AI in world of tanks blitz, it should have one too, but like this The rewards of the battle against AI are few but at least the artificial intelligence doesn't curse you with a bunch of bad words

[ionic moss]

True and new players will learn how to play the game more easily without us caring the whole team 😅

[fickle tinsel]

if your feelings get hurt by a kid hundreds of miles away idk what to tell you

[ionic pond]

I better have a bot that can sometimes pen an enemy than an ape who sits still and dies with 0 damage

[crude mulch]

Why are you saying this to me

[stone drum]

You balance AI by allowing it to effectively cancel itself out, or in otherwords basically capping it at the average tier hp & 1 kill.

[ionic moss]

To be honest just ignore do your thing and every thing will be fine let the people that curse you be i mean who would now fight bc some body said that you suck at the game we don,t care its just a game anyways 🙂

[ionic moss]

I did not think about that ._. Also what i said with the whole let them be and its just a game is a bit wrong WORLD OF TANKS BLITZ IS NOT JUST A GAME ITS A DREAM

[fickle tinsel]

you're acting like you get your feelings hurt by chat rage

[crude mulch]

Sorry, I didn't realize

[drowsy plaza]

Perhaps avoid personal attacks

[crude mulch]

You're getting hard on me, I don't understand

[final dragon]

yes i do 3 times last night n more before that

[fickle tinsel]

😥😥😥

[fickle tinsel]

You'll get rage no matter how well you play the best thing to do is just laugh at them cause usually they're fuming over their own skill issue

[drifting bolt]

Get good

[gleaming apex]

crusader_183 was muted.

_sprint_ was muted.

[umbral void]

when grille buf coming?

[queen geyser]

Another one ? Rly man?

[near lichen]

Wdym, its been nerfed to death

[queen geyser]

To death? Dayum ok sir but yea I can see how u think that way

[icy furnace]

it was the worst tier10 tank and now its even worse

[winter dagger]

the grille has the third lowest alpha for a 152 gun in tier ten

[karmic raft]

Grille has a 15cm not a 152 mm

[junior forge]

vicker change felt more like a nerf then balancing

[wicked quest]

Because it was

[remote sluice]

so according to the stream, the new BZ-75 will have alternative guns with hesh. 180mm hesh bz-75 incoming?

tbh even if its just 152mm hesh im still happy. also no rocket boost mechanic is fine for me, i dont want a 152mm heavy tank w hesh that can go 50kph 💀

[dim ibex]

Idk i would rather have the rocket feature on the BZ-75

[twin egret]

"Better gun handling"
Type 71:
same gun handling stats as the FV215b
more armour than a E5
more alpha damage than most 120mm heavies
best premium ammo (AP instead of HEAT)

[remote sluice]

oh yea speaking of that tank, Type 71 has everything the IS-4 used to have now 💀

[winter dagger]

152, Doubt it'll have 183 mm

[remote sluice]

152mm hesh gun is fine by me 🤷‍♂️

[winter dagger]

Wg make Pen will be mid to balance it watch

[scenic olive]

Idc what it has as long as it’s busted

[twin egret]

everything and then some

[obtuse falcon]

Nobody plays the panther 8,8. It’s easy to get masteries, but the tank is a worse panther 2. Only good thing is the credit multiplier. I’d recommend maybe putting a different gun than what the panther 2 has, like a 105 or something with good HE pen, either way an armour buff as well.

[haughty blade]

Okay I wasn’t sure about the IS-4 but I like its mobility and DPM.

[winter dagger]

If that happens it'll be a consumable just like Titan 54d

[remote sluice]

that is very expected, but it’s still hesh so im not complaining 🤷‍♂️

[winter dagger]

Type 71 size: Warship

[twilit crystal]

WG can't balance hesh, for some reason they give hesh guns worse dpm than the heat guns on the brit meds

[twin egret]

"Let's make this skill-based gun be overall worse and more punishing than compared to just using the regular gun"

[fringe quest]

IS4 is a joke

[haughty blade]

Says the person who can’t play it well.

[main tulip]

I have around 70% winrate in it, it's a joke.

[fringe quest]

Funny how can I pen it with standard ammo on a medium tank 🤣 @haughty blade also I don’t have the tank and never thought of grinding it ever

[remote sluice]

yep that is very not cool of wg, but u should try using the rammer on the hesh gun. sounds dumb af but the 4202 feels much better w rammer on hesh gun these days

[nimble zodiac]

Like, post update with more than 20 battles??

[main tulip]

not quite 20 but I can come back to you when I do (:
but tbh I kinda perform better in worse tanks because they help prevent me from getting overconfident
so I think I can keep up that winrate

[unique scaffold]

sa

[slender knoll]

action X need a serious nerf