The Acolyte - Episode 8 / Season 1 Finale Discussion

[thick heron]

And were so fearful of other force cults that tragic accidents like this were bound to happen

[brave topaz]

That too.
But would the Jedi have been so successful in doing so if their teachings didn’t allow highly force sensitive individuals to advance their potential?
I’m not saying they have the moral high ground, just that the Jedi have powerful skills.
And for a long time, their PR was successful.

[vivid vessel]

Was it even particularly skillful or just giving them a good shove when they needed to be focused?

[thick heron]

Oh yeah, just saying their fear of the Sith left them unable to coexist with other cults like the witches

[brave topaz]

That seems to be an issue with every group in this story.
The Jedi, the Witches, the Republic.
Each group doesn’t understand another group, doesn’t trust that their own group can control the other group, and therefore defaults to aggression as a defense against the other group that scares them.

[plain cove]

I don't think the Jedi steal children, they do ask.

...and as has been shown, the results of untrained or poorly trained force users tends to be a disaster for everyone.

[thick heron]

Yeah I imagine some parents are glad to not have to deal with a toddler that can move things with their mind/etc

Like, hey it’s bed time kiddo, kid waves their hand and mumbles “no bed” and boom, it’s not bedtime anymore

[plain cove]

..Oshas first real use of the force was to just straight up murder someone. Be hard to deal with an angry toddler who could do that...

[thick heron]

Well that’s if you don’t count her witch training, cause it sure looked like she’d been semi-torturing those glowy butterfly things by holding them suspended

[plain cove]

I thought it was Mae that did the torturing? Easy to get confused... as they were the same person 🙂

[thick heron]

Well Osha was like “gently” holding it in place then Mae came up and grabbed it

But I never really got that scene, like, you were doing basically the same thing a few seconds before Osha…

[brave topaz]

That is the point of the scene, I think.

The scene is asking us: “is the light side of the force really that much better than the dark”?

Even the light side of the force is about power. It is used to control things.

We only think it’s better because what Mae did (the dark side) is visibly worse by comparison.

[thick heron]

Yeah Sol sure had no qualms about using his mind powers on the criminals in episode 1

[brave topaz]

But does that make what Osha did okay?

And why is it okay for Osha to police Mae’s use of the force, when no one is policing Osha’s (aka the Jedi’s) use?

[frank violet]

I think we were supposed to see what Mae did as worse than what Osha did, but the visuals and/or editing didn't really convey it.

[thick heron]

I mean it did look like Mae was almost smooshing it

[frank violet]

Also, re: smoke stabby scene, I interpreted it as less that Sol was freaked out by Mother Aniseya turning to smoke, and more because he thought she was hurting "Osha" and was trying to stop her.

[plain cove]

The force is a... force, depends on how or why you use it. A spanner can tighten a nut or break a skull. Osha was curious Mae was cruel

[thick heron]

Where Osha had only held it immobile

[brave topaz]

I saw what Mae did as worse.
She squeezed longer and harder.
But the scene still asks you to question Osha’s use of the same power.

[vivid vessel]

I get the impression that Osha was holding it until she realised it was distressed, at which point she realised her mistake, but Mae was enjoying the distress. But also we saw that in Osha's memory only, so perhaps we have been fed a false image.

[thick heron]

They don’t show it in episode 7 but you hear the same dialogue play out

[frank violet]

My take was that we were supposed to see it as Osha gently communing with it and Mae pinning it against its will. But as we can see, people had enough different interpretations that it could have used greater clarity.

[thick heron]

But I do see what Alexis is saying, it really is a reflection of the hypocrisy of the Jedi

[frank violet]

And I'm still thrown by the moments that follow, where Osha says "Why do you always do that?" and then it cuts from her to herself running away.

[vivid vessel]

I think a lot of the show has deliberately been framed in ways that are open to interpretation specifically for us to thinka bout it like this.

[frank violet]

And each time, I initially think it's Mae running because of the cut.

[austere tiger]

I think it's possible that the ambiguity was intentional, especially since Episode 7 shows how it could have influenced Sol's attachment to Osha.

[vivid vessel]

Especially if he only saw Mae holding it.

[austere tiger]

And he hears Osha saying "why are you always like this" (or was it "why do you always do this"?)

[frank violet]

It's possible, but if a character is going to say "what I do is okay and what you do is not okay," I think it's important to make it clear to the audience either what the difference is, or that there isn't really a difference. I don't think the ambiguity was deliberate in this case.

Just my personal feeling on watching it a few times.

I could be wrong!

[thick heron]

I did get the feeling that Sol believed the twins were reflections, and Osha was the light side half, and Mae the dark side half. But I think it was more complex their relationship. I felt like what one expressed was what the other truly subconsciously wanted. Like Osha was expressing Mae’s doubts and Mae was expressing Osha’s embracing the darkness

[vivid vessel]

I think if it continues we'll find that balance exists in all things and that when one leaned one way the other would counter it to ensure things remained equal.

And part of why they are so dangerous is they're providing the lesson Yoda had to go learn centuries later about being aware that just being a Jedi does not purge the darkness from you.

[brave topaz]

I just realized.
The twins do reflect each other (and I think they reflect each other accurately) but they are also reflective in such a way that other people look at them and see what they want to see.
Sol saw a light side padawan in Osha.
Torbin saw the twins as a ticket back to Coruscant.
Qimir wanted a pupil, he got Mae. But she didn’t turn out to be what he was looking for. Then he wanted a pupil who would be different and better than Mae, and he saw that in Osha.

[thick heron]

Yeah. Now Vern sees Mae as a ticket to catching Qimir, and Qimir sees Osha as either a ticket to something to do with Plagueis (impressing/killing/etc) or forming his own new little cult (cue Knights of Ren)

[brave topaz]

Man being the product of a vergence is a raw deal.

Everyone always trying to use you for their own ends.

I bet even the skura start coming up to Osha waving their little trunks going “treat? you give treat?”

[vivid vessel]

Giving treats to Skura is an objectively moral act.

[thick heron]

Turning skura into treats? Not so much

[bright osprey]

Could that be an intentional reference? Indara = Trinity (Carrie Anne-Moss)

[jade cape]

Maybe. Someone should ask the showrunner.

Had Torbin jumped out a window instead of drinking the poison that would have been a reference. Lol

[bright osprey]

Wait. I don't know that one. Can you explain that?

I just looked up Dean-Charles Chapman. Is it just me, or was he aged UP for he appearance in Episode 2, rather than de-aged for his appearance in the flashbacks like Carrie Anne-Moss and Lee Jung-Jae were?

[jade cape]

He was Tommen in Game of Thrones, and offed himself by jumping out a window.

Correct, he's young, and was aged up with that beard and left untouched during flashbacks

[bright osprey]

Interesting.

I just realized that everybody in Star Wars who loses an eye replaces it with a cybernetic one EXCEPT for Jedi. The only 2 examples I can think of where the character kept their bad eye are Even Piell and Torbin.

I'm not sure if Kanan counts. He went blind, but his eyes did heal. Nevertheless, he didn't replace them after he lost his sights, sooooo.

[frank violet]

I think one of the clone officers has a blind eye. Wolffe?

Unless that's a droid eye.

[bright osprey]

His was cybernetic. He could still see. It just wasn't his original eye. That's what I mean when I say cybernetic.

[frank violet]

I got what you meant. I just couldn't remember off the top of my head.

Kanan's injury was so weird.

But I get they didn't want to make it gruesome.

[brave topaz]

Entirely possible.

[bright osprey]

Perhaps Maul's lightsaber lightly grazed an important nerve without visibly damaging the eye.

[frank violet]

Mostly it's that he had a scar all the way across his face without a big chunk being carved out of the top of his nose.

[bright osprey]

Well my point is that if it was a light graze to a vital nerve, the nose would theoretically heal. There would also be no visible eye damage, bit he would lose his sight.

[frank violet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/5/5a/Profile_-_Kanan_Jarrus.png/revision/latest?cb=20190323111302

With the tip of the saber swinging in an arc toward his face...

Anyway. I'm going off-topic!

[thick heron]

I feel like if they were making Matrix references Torbin would have been like Mouse. Mae would have shown up and slowly started walking towards him, he’d jump up out of his trance and try to run, but the door gets blocked using the force and Torbin bounces off like it’s made of brick 😛 then he turns around and pulls out two double sided sabers and runs at her

[bright osprey]

I got it in slow-motion, but I'm not sure if that helps much. 🤔

[flint creek]

Wrecker too.

[frank violet]

Oh yeeaaah.

And yeah, that nose should be gone.

[midnight hill]

@brave topaz Last poster! 😻😿

[brave topaz]

Dun dun dunnnn!

Sol’s Lightsaber: “I’m ready for my close up, Mr. DeMille!”

[jade cape]

The saber! The position switch!

[plain cove]

I'm beginning to wonder if sometimes the change in character between Osha and Mae over the series is an actual literal swap, osha is Mae and Mae is Osha. they are the same person is the person who kills Sol really Osha?

[brave topaz]

This reminds me of a scene in a Louis Sachar book called “Dogs Don’t Tell Jokes”.
The kid protagonist’s best friend is younger than him, but very intelligent. And when the protagonist wonders what it would be like to be someone else, she says something along the lines of: “Maybe you are him. Maybe you became him, and he became you, but when you swapped bodies you also swapped brains and therefore all your memories. So you only ever remember being him, and he only ever remembers being you. You’ve switched places, but you can’t ever really know for sure if you have because you can’t remember what it was like to be you. Only what it’s like to be them.”

[nimble mortar]

This and many more questions is why we need a S2

[pure pewter]

This is incredible

[vivid vessel]

There's some really niche weird reasons for that which I can't really go into in public because of how grim they are.

The short version is they really needed to change the character design.

[frank violet]

Intriguing and worrisome.

[unborn torrent]

Just caught up. What’s the consensus on Sol?

[jade cape]

he ded

[vivid vessel]

very ded

[nimble plover]

Despite being a lying liar who lies, I think Vernestra put it well enough.

[pure pewter]

Speaking of liars who lie

https://tenor.com/view/opening-the-door-vernestra-rwoh-star-wars-the-acolyte-i-have-arrived-star-wars-gif-16429989451995770575

[unborn torrent]

Sol dead yes
Sol good boy
Acolyte all big misunderstanding

Also pretty sure she whipped Qimir

[thick heron]

I can’t help but think of the popsicle when looking at that saber half red and half blue lol

[jade cape]

Rocket pops!

[vivid vessel]

I really liked the transition effect on the blade. It was like the crystal was struggling against Osha.

[jade cape]

Osha was also struggling with herself

I am very looking forward to using a "stop . . . talking" gif when my group chat goes off the rails, though.

[brave topaz]

Do we know if ‘bled’ Kyber crystals feel pain?

Is becoming or being a red dark side crystal an unpleasant or painful thing for a Kyber?

I know one of the Season 2 Visions shorts implied that was the case, but Visions isn’t canon and I can’t recall if any canon work ever indicated red Kyber crystals are in pain.

[nimble wyvern]

From Star Wars #42. They retain the painful memories and each is different.

[brave topaz]

So rattling around in Osha’s crystal is (among other things) the last 5-10 minutes of episode 3.
When Sol dragged Osha through the witches’ fortress, and Osha saw everyone she’d ever known and loved lying dead.

Rough stuff.

[vivid vessel]

Also both sides of Sol and Osha's relationship.

[jagged cipher]

You're a Intriguing and worrisome.

[nimble mortar]

Now we need a saber profile with that transition and some sound samples from the flashbacks

[nimble wyvern]

Fett263 has one similar that I'm going to mess around with when I get the time.

[frank violet]

For what it's worth, a nice action figure.

[brave topaz]

Look at tiny Pip! 🥹

He’s so cute.

[midnight hill]

Is that the vintage or black?

I got three black today, but haven’t opened them

[small night]

I forgot I have this. I'd probably never be sassy enough to use it so I gift it to people here.

[vague bloom]

OMG

[midnight hill]

They need to release the Stranger, Torbin, Kelnacca, Vern and the witches.

[nimble plover]

I have Jecki and Indara on the way

[frank violet]

Black Series.

No idea when the rest will ship to me. Pulse just sent Osha on her own.

[brave topaz]

Pulse knows she’s the more independent twin.

[frank violet]

True.

[nimble plover]

BBTS got Indara first, then Jecki....but Jecki shipped first lol

[midnight hill]

Same, with Mae too.

[midnight hill]

Pulse sent me those three together.

[frank violet]

Pulse is an eternal mystery.

[midnight hill]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

Have TVC figures been announced/previewed?

[thick heron]

Uhhg, almost a new Tuesday and there won’t be new acolyte. Boooo

[frank violet]

Sol, Mae, and Osha at least.

[vivid vessel]

Well that means I get a Pip, so I'm happy.

[bright osprey]

Technically, you get 2 PIPs. (1 handheld, and 1 on her belt)

[vivid vessel]

That's the Black Series one, the TVC one only has one.

[thick heron]

So, interesting question I saw on Reddit: did Sol allow Osha to kill him or did she truly overpower him

Personally, I think his last words “it’s ok” meant he was allowing it to happen and he forgave Osha

[pure pewter]

I feel he definitely didn't fight back

half because he felt he deserved it and half because he thought that's what she wanted

[brave topaz]

I think crushing someone’s throat (with telekinesis) counts as overpowering them, but it’s true didn’t try to stop her.

So…both?

Also I don’t think the Sith rite of crystal bleeding is compromised by your victim letting you do it.

The rules are just “pour your fear, anger, hate and suffering into a crystal that belonged to a Jedi you have killed.”.

Osha met all the criteria. I assume the dark side doesn’t mind that she was doing the Jedi killing and the crystal bleeding simultaneously. 😅

Also you can’t force choke someone unless you are sufficiently full of rage to actually do the force choke.
So even if they don’t try and fight you off, your negative emotions are what’s getting the job done.

I imagine that’s what the dark side cares about most.

[jade cape]

Vader Force choked someone in a staff meeting. Which, to be fair, we've all been there.

[brave topaz]

I was actually thinking about that exact scene.

And how obnoxious Motti was being.

And how simple it would be to build up sufficient force choke rage towards him in like, 5 seconds.

[austere tiger]

And this is why we all live in fear of Sith Lord Donald Duck, capable of going from 0 to Force Choke Rage in 0.5 seconds

[forest knoll]

But we have a protector:

[frank violet]

Luke must've been so mad at those Gamorreans. 😦

[trail tendon]

Was going to say that… beat me to it.

[frank violet]

I hope that didn't make you mad!

[trail tendon]

Can you still breathe?

[frank violet]

it's okay

[brave topaz]

Well the Gamorreans did work for Jabba, who at that point was basically holding everyone close to Luke in captivity.

[frank violet]

He sent some of them there! On purpose!

He maybe was even going to let Jabba just keep the droids.

[brave topaz]

Nah

It was all an elaborate layered ruse.

Luke: “If I give Jabba like, half a dozen chances to do the right thing, and he still doesn’t do it, I am totally justified in murdering/torturing him and all his flunkies.”

#JediLogic

[frank violet]

What if Jabba had been all "okay, fair deal, you remind me of the guy who rescued my son, here's Han back"?? What then, Luke???

He would have been out two droids and a brand-new lightsaber.

[brave topaz]

I think Lando probably had standing orders to pop the restraining bolts off of R2 and 3PO.

And then R2 would have gotten himself and 3PO out of there.

And maybe set the building on fire when they left.

If R2 had borrowed some ordnance / something incendiary from Chopper.

[frank violet]

Then Luke would be the cheating sleemo who reneged on a deal. 😦

[brave topaz]

Nah.
He gave Jabba the droids, and they were hardworking and served Jabba well.
For the days they were there.
But Luke didn’t say anything about the droids leaving later on their own feet/wheels.

Again, Jedi Logic.

[frank violet]

Also technically he may not have actually owned them to begin with.

[trail tendon]

I don’t think it was one plan. It was like four or five and they all failed, so Luke had to improvise over the Sarlacc pit. I bet he felt real smart then, for giving R2 his weapon and sending him in in advance. And relieved they hadn’t searched and dismantled him and…. wait… What the heck of a stupid plan is that anyway????

[nimble wyvern]

If the Sith wanted to win, they'd just need more strict security. Every. Single. Time.

[trail tendon]

Is it possible that Star Wars is full of plot holes and stupid logical errors? Oh my! I need to mention that in the next discussion about The Acolyte…

[frank violet]

It was definitely a bunch of failsafe plans, but I always felt like the thing that actually happened was one of them.

It just felt very coordinated.

[nimble wyvern]

But I live in reality and these space laser swords can't exist in the same way. What's this thing you call "having an imagination"

[frank violet]

Down to "then Leia kills everybody on board just to be on the safe side."

[nimble wyvern]

"Star Wars 'fans'"

[pure pewter]

I always found that this backed up the idea that dark side powers/force use is not inherently evil or bad, it’s the intent

[brave topaz]

I feel like that would require a) screening your staff for competence instead of fanatical loyalty, and b) being willing to commit to the security company with the best equipment, as opposed to taking the contract of the lowest bidder.

Both of which are things the Empire (and by extension the Sith) were not fond of doing.

[frank violet]

Quicker. Faster. Cheaper. Lazier.

[trail tendon]

Sure. He intended to be really nice to the guards he choked. 😛

[pure pewter]

Given all the potential outcomes, he was fairly nice…?

[frank violet]

My feeling is that probably Lucas didn't think of things as dark side or light side powers at that point, just Force powers.

[trail tendon]

Ok, I’ll let that count.

[brave topaz]

Yes very likely but shhh 🤫 😅

[frank violet]

You could choke an enemy without being a bad guy. You could probably even use lightning if you were powerful enough.

[pure pewter]

Well sure if you get all metatextual and ruin the fun 😉

[nimble wyvern]

I've felt that way and debated that as to why Anakin's blade doesn't bleed red at the end of Ep3.

Anakin's stopping a mutinous treacherous government coup whose military leader just tried to assassinate the democratically elected Emperor. I've seen what an 8 year old can do with a lightsaber, none of those little religious zealots could be left alive.

Plot aside 😂 if Anakin really felt that way, that his actions were noble in preventing a coup, why would his kyber bleed red?

[frank violet]

Oops, sorry. Um...just like his outfit colors, it represents how Luke was walking the knife's edge between dark and light at that point in his journey.

Better?

[brave topaz]

Yes, thank you.

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-stay-christy-anna-faris-mom-you-can-live-here-gif-19781318

[frank violet]

You could also blame Yoda for not telling him choking people was bad.

[frank violet]

He just wasn't touching it!

[brave topaz]

Oh speaking of Yoda.
How do we know if the puppet Vernestra spoke to in the final scene of Episode 8 was a complete puppet?
What if they only finished the back of his head, because that’s all that would be filmed?
And the actress who plays Vernestra was speaking to a faceless, eyeless Yoda puppet?

[frank violet]

I kind of figured it was exactly that.

Or just the TLJ puppet.

[trail tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-seinfeld-oh-my-god-oh-no-shocked-face-gif-7697350804879534971

[brave topaz]

I hope it was the TLJ puppet.
Imagining faceless Yoda kept me up for a little bit last night, 😅

[frank violet]

Even better, what if she could see the hand?

[pure pewter]

I kinda agree. Like sure he was objectively evil from the outside, and the younglings are a tough sell, but overall he was protecting democracy (in his mind)

[brave topaz]

Oh yeah there was probably some kind of hole in the floor.
Or Yoda was on a platform with a puppeteer visibly wedged underneath.

[pure pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-why-are-you-the-way-you-are-pissed-gif-5226128

[frank violet]

Or they just stuck one of those dancing flowers inside.

[brave topaz]

I ask myself that question on occasion.
Perhaps one day there will be an answer. 😝

[pure pewter]

For the record I think you’re great

[brave topaz]

I heard/read somewhere that Anakin justified the Younglings by thinking of it as a mercy kill.
They had already been indoctrinated by the lies of the Jedi, and killing them was a necessary evil.
Killing them swiftly was the mercy.

[pure pewter]

Wow. Honestly I had never reflected much on the scene because it felt so clear to me, but this is the first time I can actually understand (not defend) Anakins’s POV

Thanks for that!

[brave topaz]

You’re welcome!

My work here is done.

https://tenor.com/view/imouttahere-window-jump-gif-3457148

[pure pewter]

Like for a long time I had held the belief that that scene makes him irredeemable. But no more

I am excited to internally dig into this

[brave topaz]

I mean

I still think he crossed a pretty big line

By killing 30 kids

And imo he kind of didn’t deserve forgiveness ever.

But I’m not the boss of Luke Skywalker.

Or the Force.
So what they decide to do is out of my hands.

[pure pewter]

Oh sure, I still agree

But there is at least a path now

A narrow path

[brave topaz]

“A narrow way through.”
~Timothy Paul Atreides Chalamet

If we get more Acolyte, I would like to see Osha and Qimir’s eyes go red.

If only for a little while.

[pure pewter]

Lol I’m glad you got the reference

[frank violet]

I think they'll have to get a lot angrier than they are now.

Qimir seems like the Dooku kind of calm and collected Sith.

[pure pewter]

Qimir seems dark but chill AF and I’m here for it

[frank violet]

"A narrow flight away."
-Encyclopedia Brown

[brave topaz]

Dooku’s eyes did turn yellow/red briefly a few times.

In the Clone Wars.

[frank violet]

I did not recall!

[brave topaz]

Tbh I can’t even remember which episodes it happened in.
It was only once or twice.

[frank violet]

I'll just assume it was Hondo and being handcuffed to Anakin and Obi-Wan.

[brave topaz]

He was definitely big mad in that episode. 😄

[vivid vessel]

It's also his blade, with the crystal attuned to him in it. The bleeding requires forcing someone else's crystal do attune to you.

[nimble plover]

If being cuffed to Kenobi and Skywalker doesn't induce rage, I don't know what would.

[frank violet]

The single example in fiction of that situation not resulting in former enemies becoming fast friends.

[nimble plover]

It didn't help that the Jedi kept giving Dooku sh[QUACK] the entire time.

[brave topaz]

I like to think that Qui Gon was sitting in the force watching that scene.

With popcorn.

Bemusedly observing his former padawan and his almost-padawan / grand-padawan sass his former master.

[frank violet]

There sure was a memorably weird discontinuity between those two episodes.

It still bugs me after all these years.

[bright osprey]

I was watching that scene the other day, and I just happened to look in the background. My eyes stopped for a minute, and I thought "Whoa! Is that Yularen?" I love it when a "new character" is just a background character from a previously released entry in the franchise getting more screen attention.

[brave topaz]

I agree, it’s fun to see who can become a fan favorite when they get a bigger spotlight in a different piece of media.

[brave topaz]

@midnight hill in regards to your comment #galaxys-edge-general message

Dok Ondar: translated from Ithorian “I have returned…with centuries old lightsabers, and a cortosis helmet!”
Dok upends a large satchel over the display table in his shop
a couple of skura fall out
Skura: “Chirp?”
Dok Ondar: “Dank Farrik I mixed up the bags.”

[midnight hill]

Dok always knows what I need. 😅

By mistake, but he knows

[small night]

I was watching episode 1 again and it's so much better with the entire season's context.

We see immediately that Indara recognizes Mae as Mae not Osha from her forehead swirl.

Osha seeing fire on the ship and getting ptsd makes more sense.

Those two things and knowing for sure it wasn't Osha really adds depth.

Also prison droid has buttcheeks.

"Who trained you?" Makes me wonder if Indara was trained in the same "class" as Qimir.

She recognizes his fighting style.

[frank violet]

I think we're meant to get the impression that at this point in time, absolutely no one fights like a Jedi if they weren't trained by a Jedi. And since the Sith are extinct, that can only mean a Jedi is helping the assassin.

[vague bloom]

https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1816923326763454540?s=46

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

#TheAcolyte creator Lesyle Headland confirms Darth Plagueis is Qimir's master

(via @EW)

Twitter · Jul 26, 2024, 7:47 PM

[nimble plover]

Kinda what I figured, all things considered.

[brave topaz]

The confirmation is appreciated.

Also (if you’re like me and have no issues mentally blending Legends and Canon) it adds flavor to one of Plagueis’ monologues in the Plagueis novel, where ||he tells Palpatine how a Jedi can fall and become dark, but they’ll never be as powerful in the dark side of the force as someone who was Sith from the beginning.||
Maybe ||that was a conclusion Plagueis came to after his pupil Qimir—the former Jedi—became at odds with him at some point.
Which is why Plagueis decides “no more ex-Jedi, my next student will be a sociopathic aristocrat teenager who’s so strong in the force he cloaked himself and the Jedi missed him.”||

[midnight hill]

Now I’m more excited about how Palpi will take care of Qimir, if he does.

[midnight hill]

I need to read this book!

[nimble plover]

I think taking Osha as an acolyte kinda moves him from "apprentice in good standing" to "I need to keep an eye on this bozo."

[midnight hill]

Definitely! I’m excited for more stories.

[thick heron]

That makes sense but I still think Qimir survives somehow and becomes Ren

They didn’t play the knights of ren theme at random

[brave topaz]

Oh I think that’s entirely possible.

Plagueis being Qimir’s master and then them having a falling out doesn’t mean Plagueis succeeds at killing him.

[thick heron]

Oh yeah, I’m really hoping it means his lurking in that cave was him realising Qimir is becoming a rival, and needs eliminated

I would lose my mind if we get to see Plagueis vs Qimir and Osha

[small night]

I enjoy the thought of a romance. But if I'm being honest, it definitely seems one sided.

I think Osha will use Qimir then be the one to dispose of him.

[nimble plover]

For a second I thought you meant a romance between Plagueis and Qimir 😂. I could definitely see Osha becoming far more Sith-like than Qimir and getting rid of him, yeah

[wet stag]

I think it’s less him viewing Qimir as a rival and more a concern that he’s revealing the Siths existence to the Jedi way ahead of schedule lol

[thick heron]

Could be

Either way I think Plagueis is going to be gunning for Qimir

[wet stag]

I think that’s a given

[thick heron]

Maybe Qimir’s task was to turn a Jedi like he’d given Mae the task of killing a Jedi without a weapon, and he kinda cheated by choosing a failed padawan

[wet stag]

I think he’s acting on his own… He’s way too sloppy in terms of revealing himself as a Sith and only really got lucky that it wasn’t revealed to the full council. No way Plagueis is ok with that and likely views him as a liability.

[thick heron]

Yeah, that was one thought I’d had during episode 5 when he basically says he hates rules while taunting Sol. I thought maybe he had a double meaning that he was fed up with the rules Plagueis had for him too

[small night]

Plagy: Actually I just think he's pretty.

sips soup loudly

High Republic in The Office

[thick heron]

Kinda felt like he was really saying “I joined the Sith to do whatever I want and now there’s all these rules about staying anonymous”

[small night]

Or Modern Family

[thick heron]

Could be why he replied “you might call me Sith” cause at that point he wasn’t sure what he was anymore after striking out on his own

[orchid ice]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-brooklyn99-captain-raymond-holt-andre-braugher-gif-13945912

[modern gazelle]

You mean how they will all take care of Vernestra who is clearly the real puppet master

[brave topaz]

She can’t be the puppet master, she was Yoda’s scene partner not his puppeteer.

[frank violet]

Yoda is the puppet Master.

[trail tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppet-muppets-gif-467850616214781464

[modern gazelle]

What if... now hear me out... Pip was the real puppet master?

[midnight hill]

Before or after reset?!

[modern gazelle]

Did I ever tell you the tragedy of Darth Pip the Fixer? He could repair other machines but in the end he couldn't keep himself from being factory reset.

[trail tendon]

He (it?) is a bit manipulative, isn’t he? Plus he tried to block Basil’s olfactory senses on the way to Khofar, so he wouldn’t track down Mae.

[brave topaz]

You mean when Pip was still with Osha? And Bazil came up and sniffed Pip and made noises at him, so Pip sprayed him?

[trail tendon]

Exactly. He wanted to sabotage the tracker.

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-bazil-tynnan-pip-fight-gif-9057556587659776252

[brave topaz]

…ok I get that if Pip is a secret Sith Lord then yes that scene does become a manipulative trick.

But if some rando got all up in your business sniffing you and when you were like “hey what are you doing?” he was like “don’t worry it’s just my culture/biology to sniff you without permission” then you might spray that jerk in the face with water too.

[trail tendon]

It’s right on the nose!

How much space for “water” is inside of (Darth) Pip anyway?

[brave topaz]

He’s probably got like a 2 oz water compartment in his body.

Which connects to a little hose when his head is plugged into his body.

[trail tendon]

Ok, I have no idea what 2 oz are, but it sounds small, so he wouldn’t waste that and use it very deliberately. Sneaky little Sith that he is….

[brave topaz]

2 ounces
The volume of a shot glass.

In metric it’s about 60 milliliters

And I agree he wouldn’t waste it, Sith or no Sith.

Pip is a very perspicacious droid.

[thick heron]

The…pippet master? I’ll see myself out lol

[shell aurora]

Luke force choked 2 gammorians without any rage though

[brave topaz]

Maybe he was angry.
And just not showing it visibly.

[shell aurora]

He was as cool as the other side of the pillow

[brave topaz]

The people he cared about the most were all being held captive by Jabba.
That seems plenty sufficient for the anger to choke a couple of guards.

[shell aurora]

Luke never really showed any anger at all in that scene, or really any part of of the entire Jabba section of the movie. He was extremely confident in his plan, but not angry really. But I don't disagree that Osha wasn't putting pure hatred and rage into her force choke of Sol

[trail tendon]

In the novelization, Luke was angry and could feel Leila’s pain, but he blocked it out. If I remember correctly. It’s been a few decades since I read that one.

[bright osprey]

I'm glad someone fixed this summary. Before, it had implied that Sol really was guilty and that everything that Vern told the Senate was true.

[frank violet]

who could that Jedi Master possibly have been

[brave topaz]

No idea, but I hear they make a mean stew.

[frank violet]

How are they with seagulls?

[brave topaz]

About as good as they are with Honda Civics and illicit substances.

[wheat bramble]

… from a certain point of view… 😳