The Acolyte General Discussion

[dense prawn]

Yeah so many questions that won’t get answered, and no more Manny 😭

[rocky tundra]

Instead of more canceling, a better option would be if you encounter someone in the wild who’s actually weird enough to gloat about how “they got acolyte cancelled”, you can just smile fondly and say “Well, I’m glad you’ve got something good going for you. Everyone needs at least one thing.”

[rapid sluice]

I'm shocked they didnt just try do make a cheaper s2 with a much lower budget that made sense for the ratings

[dense prawn]

It’s not like they’d have a big name cast returning they’d need to pay

Everyone died

[warped trench]

Completely unsurprising

First mistake is they shouldn’t have chose the high republic as a setting

Had great fights, but not much else going for it unfortunately

[dense prawn]

I don’t see what’s wrong with the High Republic

[fallen sage]

Yeah doing like a single 2 hour "movie" (streaming) is another idea

[warped trench]

Doesn’t have a large following

People look at it and say “This isn’t prequels or original trilogy and don’t care

Maybe if mass people read books

[dense prawn]

They’ve beaten the proverbial horse of the OT time to death, and they can’t do Sequel times to not mess with the timeline of Mando and Rey movies

[grand stream]

This is the opnion of fools who make YouTube videos that say anything in the "Disney" canon isn't canon and is therefore automatically awful.

[warped trench]

Well unfortunately this has proven it true lmao

[grand stream]

No it hasn't.

[warped trench]

The show got canned for a reason my friend

[grand stream]

The amount of people here prove that to be a fake narrative pushed by grifters like Star Wars Theory.

[warped trench]

I don’t think the YouTube bunch is the reason the show got cancelled

More likely viewership

Idk it might played a role

I think this is the first Disney Star Wars show to actually get cancelled too, I’m surprised they actually came out and said it

I would’ve thought it’d be a quiet cancellation like BoBf

[dense prawn]

The same sentiment of “only the OG Star Wars matters” was around during the PT, but loud haters weren’t able to reach as many people as they can now, and a lot of people just go along with it cause they’re loud and drown out the positive reviews

I’ve had to tell at least a dozen people I’ve talked about the show with in person to not listen to those online comments and just give the show a chance

[warped trench]

I don’t want the fact it got a lot of orchestrated hate to overshadow the fact that it wouldn’t reach 70% of viewership

[celest summit]

I’m sure that kills any release of Acolyte legacy sabers.

[warped trench]

I know it’s easy to blame

[dense prawn]

A lot of people that might have watched it never did cause they “heard online it’s bad”

[warped trench]

It’s also just not very appealing of a show, it’s very bleak, makes the Jedi look like a bunch of corrupt fools.

[dense prawn]

I mean yeah it’s not the entire reason why it’s not getting a second season, but it’s not a small factor

[warped trench]

Some people don’t wanna watch stuff like that

Unlike The Mandalorian

As stated earlier it’s really lucky Andor was a 2 season deal

Or it wouldn’t have made it to a S2 as well

[dense prawn]

Which is crazy cause they got Emmy awards for it

[warped trench]

Viewership is what Disney cares about

[dense prawn]

Like, if being crowned the best show of all time, ever, is their benchmark for a second season then we aren’t ever going to get second seasons of anything

[gaunt atlas]

And Andor was one of the best reviewed Disney SW shows.

[warped trench]

Acolyte had a really strong start but fell off in viewership

Andor really never had high viewership to begin with

[gaunt atlas]

it's almost like viewership isn't actually a metric for the quality of the show.

[warped trench]

But it can be

[dense prawn]

It might have fared better dropping all at once so people could binge it

[warped trench]

This is probably true

[dense prawn]

I felt the mystery between episodes built them up, but it does seem that turned off some viewers

[tulip terrace]

Sad news! 😭

[gaunt atlas]

but also. Read the room. there are plenty of places to celebrate the cancelation, here we mourn something we liked.

[warped trench]

I was completely indifferent to the show tbh, was NOT my cup of tea.

But I feel for those who liked it.

Hopefully y’all get books to wrap up the story.

[grand stream]

To be FRANK, Disney did not "actually come out and say it". Deadline reported on what "sources" told them.

[grand stream]

The Jedi ARE a bunch of corrupt fools. That's the entire point of the prequel trilogy.

[dense prawn]

Showed they’re not infallible superheroes

[warped trench]

Probably why I don’t like the Prequel trilogy all that much then

I can get behind it

I just

The bald green lady was insufferable

[dense prawn]

But that’s where High Republic is nice, cause that is when they were (almost) infallible superheroes

Vernestra is a super complicated character that was very easily misunderstood if you’ve not read the books, so I can see a lot of viewers who didn’t know her not liking her

[warped trench]

I think it’s more

[dense prawn]

Like basically, she’s seen some stuff, and because of that doesn’t trust the council 100%. But they never really make that clear

[warped trench]

I didn’t get the vibe of how compelling she was supposed to be cause I thought the actress was made of cardboard

(I 100% think she got the role cause her wife was the creator)

[dense prawn]

I’m not a great judge of acting skill

[warped trench]

When you can compare her to a Star Wars droid and the droid has more range it might be an issue

Maybe that’s just me tho

I am obviously not in the business

[grand stream]

I'm just gonna say it. Not every Star Wars actor has range.

Even ones who are good in other roles

[dense prawn]

🤷‍♂️ I thought she did alright

[warped trench]

She just did 😐 for what I felt like the whole show

Only spoke in one tone of voice

[grand stream]

So did Samuel L Jackson in 95% of his screentime.

[warped trench]

I’m not talking about Sam Jackson right now am I though

Also can anyone tell me what her role actually was? Is it in the books?

[grand stream]

No

[warped trench]

Is she on the council?

I know she’s like hundreds of years old

[tulip terrace]

I thought she did great, and it was clear to me that she was Vern because of how she talked.

[tulip terrace]

She is exactly like that in the books.

[warped trench]

She seemed to have A LOT of power

[warped trench]

Interesting, thanks for the insight

[vital oxide]

Not happy. Not happy at all.

[tulip terrace]

She doesn’t talk much. Most of her conversations in the books are in her head. She is very straightforward.

[grand stream]

I wish I knew how reliable Deadline is. Because this news is NOT coming direct from Disney, which always adds a little layer of doubt in most of these cases when they just cite "sources". But the show not being renewed is a travesty, IMO.

[dense prawn]

Vern also saw visions while travelling in hyperspace, but they never really made that clear in the show

[warped trench]

I heard about that one

[dense prawn]

Just made it a “do you need a barf bag” joke

[tulip terrace]

It seems that we need to start tagging Disney+ with the #renewacolyteseason2

[warped trench]

It worked that one time for Clone Wars

Go for it boss

[tulip terrace]

More Star Wars is always good!

[distant delta]

Deadline is pretty reputable

[grand stream]

I believe the current hashtag is #RenewTheAcolyte.

[warped trench]

Hell if Ahsoka got a S2 I think Acolyte should have got one too!

[tulip terrace]

Thank you! Need to bother them correctly ❤️

[grand stream]

You'd be surprised how often this stuff works. Fans saving shows has a long history dating back to Bjo Trimble's letter writing campaign that saved the original Star Trek.

[warped trench]

Dave Filoni will write Ahsoka into Acolyte S2 and it will be saved 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[dense prawn]

I’ve seen Futurama brought back like 5+ times, and was part of the “save the expanse” campaign, so fans can make a difference

[warped trench]

https://tenor.com/view/filoni-faithful-dave-filoni-star-wars-disney-shill-gif-6350007676685839619

Here are the view ship numbers

If anyone is curious

(DNQ means does not qualify for top 10 most watched of the week)

[grave siren]

Man I love love love futurama

A part of me thinks there wasn't much left to the story for there to be a viable season two😔I know we theorized season two ideas but it just doesn't seem too feasible storywise

[near peak]

My feelings towards The Acolyte were neutral towards positive but I am disappointed that they’re canceling it

[warped trench]

It was heavily confined by the prequels that’s for sure

[near peak]

I did like how Star Wars was branching out to a different time period, and I did like Osha and Sol, but sometimes it wasn’t compelling to watch

[dense prawn]

I wanted to see other force users

[near peak]

But although some people (IYKYK) would say that the inclusivity got it to be canceled, then that’s wrong.

[grave siren]

I sorta agree. I think sometimes in star wars, writers tend to get in their own way. It limits their creativity, especially with how fleshed out star wars is. It's partly why I was excited for them to transition from stories set during the prequels/OT and more towards stories post sequels or pre-prequels. Leaves more room for writers to express themselves creatively

I deeply enjoyed Acolyte. I could yap all day and all night about its intricacies, but I really really think including Plagues wasn't the best idea. They had already dodged the "the sith haven't been around in x amount of years!"...only to run head first into it anyways...

[near peak]

I guess I have to rewatch it because I didn’t notice Plagueis

[grave siren]

...i-...i'm so sorry LMFAOOO

[warped trench]

It was a blink and you miss it

[grave siren]

Uh uh surprise shawty🤠

[warped trench]

No actual importance to the show

Until they came out and said "Ohhhh yeah thats Qimirs Master!"

I was REALLY hoping Qimir was gonna be the First Knight of Ren

[grand stream]

What do you mean? We HAVE a set up and a secondary conflict already set up for us. And the fact that we don't get to SEE those resolved is ridiculous..

[warped trench]

Cause the fact they used Kylo's theme

[grave siren]

Them going in the Knights of Ren direction probably would've been better. I also think having a Hunger Games/Olympics-esque competition of dark-side users, competing to be Plagiues's master would've been cool too fr

[warped trench]

https://tenor.com/view/leonard-mccoy-never-know-these-things-star-trek-gif-13584471

[lofty thistle]

That was where I thought they were going

[grand stream]

This is the dumbest argument against this show for every possible reason. The line itself was intentionally bullcrap because WE ALREADY SAW DARTH MAUL. We, the audience, knew Ki Adi Mundi was full of it. The Sith were NEVER gone, only hiding and biding their time.

[dense prawn]

I didn’t think Plagueis being in the show precluded Qimir from surviving to become The Ren

[lofty thistle]

It's disappointing but not surprising it got canceled, it wasn't a critical darling like Andor, and didn't have the viewership to drive subscriptions.

[dense prawn]

I’d have killed to see a Plagueis VS Qimir and Osha fight like Palp VS Maul/Savage

[warped trench]

It was just odd they made him his padawn and not like Plagueis was just interested in Qimir and Osha

and his creepy butt was snooping around for potential padawans

[amber wind]

Just joining now. It sounds like they made the decision based on viewership. I thoroughly enjoyed the show and was hoping for a second season, but they can't make that investment if it can't get the viewership it needs.

[grand stream]

I needed to see Vernestra vs Qimir.

[dense prawn]

Yeah that too

[warped trench]

That was so painfully obvious it hurt

[amber wind]

Hopefully they finish the story up in a book or series of comics

[dense prawn]

In my mind he somehow survives her gunning for him, and eventually Plagueis deciding he needed to go too

[warped trench]

oh wow look at those scars that look EXACTLY like lightsaber whip marks 😭

and how almost EVERYONE knew it was Qimir after like Ep 2

The mysteries in the show didnt really mystery very well

[grave siren]

The thing is we have a level of hindsight that the characters themselves did not. We know Maul exists because we met him when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan did. The council didn't buy it because they weren't there

[warped trench]

Im just realizing a lot of this now cause I havent thought of the acolyte in awhile lmao

I might do a rewatch soon

[grand stream]

The mysteries isn't the who. It's the why.

[vital oxide]

https://x.com/PeterSciretta/status/1825686443718750466

Peter Sciretta (@PeterSciretta) on X

Half the fandom is either toxic or hates everything. The other half of fandom that actually enjoys the stuff is slowly being trained not get invested or care because it’s all just gonna get canceled anyways.

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 12:09 AM

Peter isn't wrong.

[grand stream]

And? Why does that hurt The Acolyte.

[warped trench]

Well its just like Thrawn coming back in Ahsoka

We KNOW

he doesnt win

Cause the first order comes around and no Thrawn

[grave siren]

The reason it'd be an issue is because the entirety of season two would be the sith playing hide and seek with the jedi. They're already limited in making public appearances

[amber wind]

I know several people who didn't even bother watching because of the negative attention it was getting. I did my best to advocate for the show to those people, but the amount of "I haven't watched it because I heard it was bad" I've gotten is bizarre

[grand stream]

So? The destination isn't the point. To paraphrase Harry Kim from Star Trek Voyager: "It's the journey."

[amber wind]

People just assume others' opinions without finding out for themselves

[grand stream]

It's not an issue if Vernestra dies.

[warped trench]

But people like stakes

[dense prawn]

Yep, that’s what I said earlier, I had to talk people into giving the show a chance cause they’d “heard it was bad”

[warped trench]

Word of mouth is a crazy thing

[dense prawn]

I have to wonder how many of the like 200+ million viewer difference between Ahsoka and Acolyte is because of that

[amber wind]

I'm quite happy not letting other people form my opinions for me

[warped trench]

We will never be able to know sadly

[grave siren]

Disappearing a ton of heavy-hitter Jedi in a short amount of time will definitely push people to start asking questions, opening investigations and having more eyes on the situation

[warped trench]

Im lowkey hoping that after Andor and Skeleton Crew, Star Wars goes back to movies.

[gaunt atlas]

and we'll never know if Vern straight up lied to Yoda, or if Yoda is complicit in the coverup

[warped trench]

My sweet boy yoda WOULD NEVER!

[short ether]

A shame if true, but if viewership was low, its a business decision they had to make. Sadly.

With that said, be happy we got to see Plageius and a bleeding lightsaber.

[lofty thistle]

I think it's mostly recognition. Ashoka is an established character, the High Republic doesn't have many names a casual fan would recognize.

[warped trench]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-dance-dancing-swag-star-wars-gif-10476760

[dense prawn]

They kinda will be, since next after them is Mando & Grogu and the Rey movie

[warped trench]

I will be seated

[lofty thistle]

The streaming bubble is also popping.

[warped trench]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-tom-cruise-movies-gif-12468509904206584568

[grave siren]

Honestly I've been thinkin a lot about this. I feel like she'd tell him the truth, and it'd be one of those unspoken family secrets

[grand stream]

You mean the Yoda who told Obi-Wan to lie to Luke for years?

[grave siren]

Luke needed to be lied to

[warped trench]

There is big difference between the two situations

[grave siren]

Luke was too headstrong; too reactive without thinking any situation through

Love me some Luke down fr big fan big fan but...yoda was right about him in Empire

[tulip terrace]

We also don’t know all the reasons why Vern would kept the information quiet. Another reason why we need more information.

[grave siren]

Luke was too immature and too reckless. It was that same unchecked attitude that got Anakin killed

[warped trench]

I was assuming her attempted murder of her padawan would come to light

and the fact he did everything

and that she would be held accountable

SO POOR SOL GOT SCREWED

[gaunt atlas]

lying to one person to protect vs lying to everyone

[tulip terrace]

I’m talking more about what was politically happening with the republic and the jedi council.

[warped trench]

Oh

[dense prawn]

I mean from another point of view they lied to Luke to keep him as their ace in the hole, Anti-Vader weapon

[grave siren]

Egg zack lee egg zack lee

[dense prawn]

If they’d just put it out on the table, hey train as a Jedi to kill your dad for us, he’d have said no

[clear orbit]

Did you guys see this?

[grand stream]

I sometimes wonder if they'd have ever told him the truth if Vader hadn't said anything.

[frail trail]

😶

[tulip terrace]

Which is the same reason that I think Yoda knew, and there is more information we need and I’m so sad we are not getting more seasons.

[grave siren]

I still think the funniest moment of the OT is even Yoda, arguably the chillest being in the galaxy, finding Luke to be insufferable. Hilarious

[tulip terrace]

Posted already

[frail trail]

Ouch

[clear orbit]

Also his face when Luke can't concentrate and he falls

[grave siren]

Pooooooossssibly. He was bound to figure it out eventually but I think it'd serve as a catalyst to him joining the darkside

[dense prawn]

Yoda straight up confessed they weren’t gonna tell him when Luke confronts him and Yoda’s reply is “told you, did he”

[grave siren]

Yoda was so ready for him to get tf off his planet😭the minute he leaves he just trash talks him LMFAOAOAOAOOO "there is another"

[dense prawn]

“Oh its unfortunate you know he’s your dad before we got you to kill him”

[warped trench]

https://x.com/tommy_stella/status/1825696045457613095?t=hplouvyGov1ivpNb1UUwww&s=19

Tommy Stella - MUSTN'T TELL OUT NOW (@tommy_stella) on X

We’re never going to find out who this guy is

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 12:47 AM

[grave siren]

To be fair, it seemed like the only viable option. They weren't even set on Luke being the one to do it

[grave siren]

Yaddle me thinks

[dense prawn]

lol, Yaddle doesn’t have my hairline like Yoda does

[warped trench]

Idk i believe it

Maybe Yaddle got a toupee

[grave siren]

They used all the budget for Torbin's beard fr

[warped trench]

Oh Lord I forgot about that make up

The Acolyte will not being getting a hair and make up emmy nom

[dense prawn]

That’s one thing I will admit was atrocious, but since it’s how my own beard grows, I’ll defend it lol

[grave siren]

Yaddle's wig was snatched after Vern's lil story time session smh

[warped trench]

https://tenor.com/view/the-acolyte-acolyte-star-wars-star-wars-gif-12503005277728983403

[grave siren]

AHT AHT! NOT TOO MUCH ON THEIR MAKE-UP/HAIR DEPT! YORD'S PADAWAN's facE CARD WAS SOMETHIN SERIOUS

A sin that we didn't see more of her fr

[sonic zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-gif-24210192

RIP to getting anything else related to Plagueis or from that time frame anymore.

[mint kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/teresa-giudice-rhonj-real-housewives-gif-9728056

Rarely do I need to flip a table. But no season 2 seems like a good time to do it.

[grave siren]

✨High Republic Analogy series✨manifesting it

[dense prawn]

I’d love to see a High Republic era animated show so they could keep down costs and do a few dozen episodes

[grand stream]

That's the worst part of this. Disney is going to learn the wrong lessons.

As usual

[dense prawn]

So many really great shows only found their footing in the 2nd or even 3rd seasons, feels like Acolyte was just finding its stride there at the end

[sonic zodiac]

The absolute set-up they had, like so many possibilities with being able to tell these great stories from the ending alone

[grand stream]

That's something that doesn't fly in this day and age. The first season has to knock everyone's socks off from episode 1 or it's doomed. Streaming has ruined television pacing.

[dense prawn]

Yep, same with movies

[warped trench]

I mean is Disney not doing a Rey movie even though the sequels are massively hated?

[sonic zodiac]

And it's because everyone that complains about these shows and movies doesn't actually have any sense of being able to provide actual constructive criticism. It's always just "show sucks, Disney sucks, give it back to george" and not "hey some of the writing could use a bit of work but we liked these things so build off of that".

[grand stream]

No, movies have always had to be a hit week 1 for studios to give a flying f[QUACK] about them. The problem now is that studios decide to push something to streaming and home releases a month after the theatrical run STARTS. They don't even give them a chance to leave theaters.

[dense prawn]

Well I meant more in variety, they don’t take chances cause movies have to be a hit

Cause they don’t make any money off streaming

[sonic zodiac]

It's also jus the whole "why is every studio only doing sequals to everything?!" studio comes up with a fun original idea "That looks so stupid why would we want to watch that"

[dense prawn]

Acolyte was a step well off the beaten path, so it was nice they gave it a chance

[sonic zodiac]

Going to protect those kids in Skeleton Crew like a helicopter parent when it comes out, cause I'm already seeing stuff.

[dense prawn]

Yeah I can’t help but worry about that, but all we can do is wait and see

[warped trail]

I see on this one the cockroaches got their way, a never ending litany of hate, got them the result they wanted.

[snow tree]

I'm thinking Disney is going to cancel the Rey movie and Mangold's First Jedi movie. Literally the only content that's "safe" right now is Mandoverse content with Mandalorian and Grogu and Favreau's Heir to the Empire film. Disney is going to learn the wrong lessons from this failure and double down on "tried and true" stories and characters with no innovation. I'm thinking the next few years are going to be nothing but Mandoverse films and shows until the fandom and mainstream audience inevitably grows bored of that content.

[dense prawn]

I mean they apparently already cut Boba out of Mando & Grogu according to Temura so even parts of the mandoverse aren’t safe

[lofty thistle]

Disney just doesn't seem to know what the right move is, and is only willing to make short term market based moves to adjust.

[sonic zodiac]

It's not that they don't know what the right move is, everything they do is based off numbers and audience reviews. Acolyte had low streaming numbers and D+ didn't pull in a significant amount of subscription numbers when it aired. Review side of things scores were low for it, lower than the sequels even from what I've seen, then you stack on top of that large creators that had still been positive for the most part up until this point all began to go down the SWT route and trash it from the start.

As per the norm, negative reviews will always be the most prevalent because most people that tend to enjoy things tend to not be the ones leaving reviews or comments in areas where it counts.

[dense prawn]

I wonder if they only look at when it debuts for new subscribers cause I know that a lot of people will wait until a show is finished to watch so they can binge it

[sonic zodiac]

Both I'd assume from what little bit I do know about that stuff gets looked at.

There's typically a larger impact for a premier because of the "need to see it before it gets spoiled" mentality

[lofty thistle]

While it's easy to blame grifters, they're also a minority.

[vital oxide]

This is the last I'll say on this subject

[sonic zodiac]

They're not though when you look at the fact that SWT alone has a couple mil followers

[vital oxide]

To quote Last Week Tonight with John Oliver in reference to an old TV show from the 80's "Shows weren't any better back then, people were just better Fans".

[lofty thistle]

They make a stink about shows with representation all the time, like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, but it only sticks when there's something for general audiences not to like.

[real sparrow]

They're aware of both types of viewer and TBH they're kind of in trouble overall with Disney+ because they need to show "growth" and not just stability.

So only new subscribers count.

[dense prawn]

Yeah it’s dumb cause they’ve gotta be reaching the peak of possible subscribers

[real sparrow]

They've basically hit the phone company problem of "everyone has one" and now the streaming services are poaching from each other with whatever must-watch show is out.

[dense prawn]

Unless they wanna start air dropping tablets into developing countries

[real sparrow]

Best you can do is hope that your one is one of the primary ones that people want or the one they rotate back to most often.

Anyways, this makes me sad. Even though the story reached a good point to end it and leave us wanting more, I would like to have seen that more.

[dense prawn]

Yeah, I just hope there’s a groundswell of people eventually discovering the show that makes them at least do books

[lofty thistle]

Realistically it'll have loose ends tied up in the comics

[real sparrow]

Eh, I kind of hope they leave some ends dangling. Life is messy and sometimes you never find out.

[lofty thistle]

Hopefully this doesn't scare Disney away from more content outside the Skywalker saga, since that's what the High Republic was intended as a test balloon for.

[dense prawn]

They have a perfectly decent story going in the books/comics that could be turned into a film trilogy

[frail trail]

I can’t imagine The Acolytes not continuing in a Graphic Novel.

[gaunt atlas]

also there were a ton of shitty shows in the 80s. we just don't remember them. we only remember the ones we loved.

[lofty thistle]

Yeah, the past looks better because we get to pick and choose from the best of the era. All the now forgotten garbage you’d actually find in the theater has been filtered out.

Also, we wrongly assume what survives the test of time was popular when it was new.

To use an example from music, what survives from the Vietnam era (thanks mostly to Vietnam movies) are tracks like "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival and "Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones. Both were released in 1969, and at least one is all but guaranteed to be on a soundtrack of a movie set in that year.

In reality, however, Fortunate Son peaked at number 14 on the charts. Gimme Shelter wasn't released as a single at all.

Billboard's top song of 1969 was "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies. Here is a sample.

You are my candy girrrrrrrl.```

True high art.

Look at the top selling singles of the last 70 years and you'll find some great music, but you won't find Queen or Led Zeppelin. Even Elvis and the Beatles are only on there twice, tying for the most number 1 year-end singles with none other than George Michael.

[mint kindle]

My preferred endings and reason.

[lofty thistle]

Eh, yeah, but that's more the realm of high art films. Narratives tend to be tied up with a bow, and Star Wars jumped the overexplaining shark somewhere around "Luke could run really fast in Cloud City because he drew the Force into these leg muscles."

[mint kindle]

They gave us a really good bipoc (is that still the right acronym) and female led Star Wars show.

Makes me sad that there won't be a second season.

Although... if I think of it in some specific critical terms I can see where there are some bad faults. Qimir is "sneaky," Mae is "bad."

[main ivy]

I don't have anything new to add to the conversation but what a disappointment. In the context of streaming as a whole I'm not surprised, since every service has shown their willingness to drop anything that's not a mega hit immediately. It feels like the media landscape is flattening, and we'll all be poorer for it.

[lofty thistle]

This sucks. Shows like Breaking Bad and even TCW never would have gotten second seasons in the current media landscape.

[main ivy]

Buffy. The Office.

I'm sure we could make a long list

[silver island]

I was in delusion for SIX WHOLE HOURS…….

[gaunt atlas]

We're not even out of spoiler moratorium and it's been cancelled.

[lofty thistle]

Looks like the budget was really high, $180 million. Mando was $120, House of the Dragon was also in the $180M range but had ten one hour episodes.

Could be old fashioned Hollywood Accounting, but still, unsustainable

[real sparrow]

"The entirety of Star Trek post 1969" is a decent list in and of itself.

[tulip terrace]

I’m just going to post and tag them on IG every time I can. Until they get tired of me. 😂

[vital oxide]

Thank you for joining just to share that opinion!

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-what-you-said-is-wrong-wrong-every-word-you-said-is-wrong-gif-18300626

[rocky tundra]

You actually seem pretty happy to me.
Which is good.
Everyone needs at least one thing to make them happy.

[vital oxide]

I love how we live rent-free in peoples heads.

[quaint willow]

You know you live rent free in my head

Maybe the real sith lord was the jerks we met along the way.

[rocky tundra]

Most jerks don’t make the cut.

[vital oxide]

I snort laughed, Cubby.

[rocky tundra]

When you’re the internet comment equivalent of a bargain bin inquisitor, someone else can always jerk harder than you.

[quaint willow]

Nah I'm still pretty sure Vernestra was the Sith Lord and Pip was her apprentice

[grand stream]

It's something of a miracle that Discovery made it to 5 seasons in the current t.v. climate.

[rocky tundra]

I guess it can be whatever we want it to be now.

[quaint willow]

So what you are saying is you and I want it to be Vernestra. FINALLY

Seriously I bet we see novels later

[rocky tundra]

Only if Sith Apprentice Pip ultimately has a change of heart, and picks up Sith Lord Vernestra and chucks her down a reactor shaft.

[grand stream]

This was meant to be a reply to @real sparrow's comment about post 69 Trek.

[quaint willow]

I like it. Sold

[rocky tundra]

I can see it now.
Pip saves the twins (and maybe Qimir too).

Then Pip succumbs to the electrical damage his body and head parts sustained, and dies tragically and beautifully in Mae and Osha’s joined hands.

[quaint willow]

Ohhh there's even twins. It's like poetry.

[real sparrow]

The campaign to save Lower Decks is a thing now too. They killed their numbers by removing it from Amazon to Paramount+.

"But we will keep all of the money!"

All of zero is less than some of any.

[grand stream]

I dunno...the protagonists aren't "lower decks" anymore, and there's nothing saying they can't show up elsewhere.

[real sparrow]

Maybe rebrand to "Middle Decks" for later seasons? Season 4 is where all my friends stopped talking about it because they watched it via Amazon Prime which they paid for anyway, and now Paramount want 6.99 a month to watch... what exactly? Just new Star Trek? Everything until the 90s is still on Netflix due to licencing deals? Easy pass.

[manic patrol]

Didn't even know that was cancelled. Sad panda.

[dense prawn]

I didn’t think it was cancelled, just slated to end after the 5th season cause they can’t be lower deckers forever

[cedar kernel]

Gently put to rest

[near peak]

Middle Decks is a pretty funny title

[real sparrow]

They could though.

[modern laurel]

quick off-topic note - The recent movie "Greatest beer run ever" had a fantastic soundtrack because it was a Vietnam movie where they did some research into what was actually popular in that particular time (1968) and avoided all the cliche songs. It was stuff I had never heard of but still really good. For instance, they included French and Vietnamese pop songs that were actually getting radio playtime

[real sparrow]

That looks like a movie for me.

[frail trail]

today's troll was brought to you by:

[barren cipher]

When were they corrupt?

[rocky tundra]

The corruption is less “the Jedi are taking bribes” and more “the Jedi have lost their moral compass and prioritize their obedience to the Senate over listening to the Force and helping people”.

The Jedi become highly focused on optics and PR, and how everyone sees them.

Rather than on doing the right thing.

[lofty thistle]

The point of the High Republic is that there was no one thing that "went wrong" but a series of decisions which made sense in the moment but nonetheless built to the ideological rot that had consumed the Jedi by the time of the prequels.

[barren cipher]

Hmm. I don't know if I'd say that's corrupt, they were still assisting the public and the biggest evidence that they we're not corrupt is the fact they didn't hide the clone army from anyone ( wouldn't have mattered anyways ) but that proves it wasn't about power stomping for them

Negligence absolutely, corrupt I don't see evidence for

[grand stream]

Mace Windu was prepared to lead a coup even before Palpatine was revealed as a Sith.

[rocky tundra]

It’s more a corruption of morals and character (through interaction with politics) than a political corruption.
In trying to hold on to the image of what they are and represent, the Jedi Order loses what they were and what they used to represent.

[barren cipher]

Not exactly, he was prepared if anakin found out he was a sith, which he reported as under cover

The jedi saw the politics being abused and had a suspicion of a sith

If palps wasn't it would have went differently

[barren cipher]

I like that answer, a lot of people say it's just because they're bad and it's not true. You explained it well

[rocky tundra]

@barren cipher have you watched the Tales of the Jedi anthology?

[barren cipher]

Is that the one with young dooku?

[rocky tundra]

It is

[barren cipher]

Yup

[rocky tundra]

The Dooku episodes (2, 3 and 4) offer great examples of how the Jedi have fallen into passive corruption and no longer truly bring peace and justice to the Galaxy.

And how Dooku got so upset by that, he was dark side corrupted by Palpatine because he thought that was the only way to fix things.

[barren cipher]

Haven't watched it since release, any note worthy things he said?

[grand stream]

Ki Adi: If the Chancellor doesn't give up his power, he should be removed from office.
Mace: The Jedi would have to take control of the Senate to ensure a peaceful transition.

This is straight up seditious language, all before there was even a suspicion of Palpatine bring a Sith.

[barren cipher]

If we use this example in real life, and president Biden remained the president for 15 years, this conversation would be the exact same

You can't say seditious language with a quote that includes peaceful transition

[grand stream]

The Jedi Order isn't a government body. They aren't elected. It's sedition.

[rocky tundra]

The episode with the clearest examples is Episode 3.
Mace and Dooku investigate ||the murder of a member of the Jedi council, with Mace constantly reminding Dooku that he needs to follow the instructions of the Council and not go off book.
But Dooku does go off book to discover the truth, and then when Dooku agrees with the legitimate grievances of the assailants, Mace just dismisses them as lawbreakers.||
And then when they get home, ||Mace gets to fill the empty council seat. Because he follows the will of the Council, and that matters most.||

[barren cipher]

Your argument contradics itself

[barren cipher]

Oh I do remember, I'll have to rewatch

[grand stream]

No it doesn't. It would be the equivalent of the Catholic Church removing the US President from office and putting in someone to ensure a transition.

[barren cipher]

No, the jedi are the peace keepers aka the police

If Biden stayed in office more than he was allowed by many years

What would you want the police to do for the American people?

The church does not enforce the law

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sky-walker-hayden-christensen-star-wars-point-of-view-jedi-are-evil-gif-14424424

[barren cipher]

Greatest line ever haha

[rocky tundra]

I think if you told the Jedi they were a police force, they would be offended, and deny it.
The irony being they become exactly that (along with a military arm).

[barren cipher]

And

yoU tUrNeD hEr aGaInSt mEeEe

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-you-have-done-that-yourself-ewan-mcgregor-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-23659868

[barren cipher]

No I'm saying they're closer to police than the church

[rancid burrow]

Unfortunate news today but hopefully 🙏 Skeleton crew brings back that sense of magic again 👏

[rocky tundra]

They’re a religious order of Knights, and the they seek to serve as diplomats and peacekeepers, but by the end yes they become enforcers.

The issue is that despite becoming enforcers in all but name, legally they don’t have the power to make the call to remove Palpatine from office.

And they were discussing the possibility of removing him anyway.

[grand stream]

Bingo

[clear orbit]

nothing but Star Trek Beyond is on Netflix

[clear orbit]

there's a line in the novel where Mace says to Palp that he's the sith lord and they are there to arrest him and he says something to the effect of "so what? being a sith lord isn't illegal" And it blows me away how right he is, literally the Jedi were comitting treason lol

[grand stream]

And Star Trek Prodigy, but that's a whole can of worms.

[clear orbit]

didn't see that one on the list, but yeah, none of the 90s shows are there

[tulip terrace]

I still can’t forgive Mace for what he did to Quinlan and Asajj

[grand stream]

I can't forgive him and Ki Adi for how they treated Ahsoka.

[tulip terrace]

Don’t get me on that one either 🤨

[dense prawn]

Jedi seemed to fail upwards, Yoda surrounded himself with the worst possible people

He should have cleaned house and appointed an all new council after TPM

[real sparrow]

Depends where you live.

[rocky tundra]

I feel like this would have caused some serious issues.
Best case scenario everyone (new and old council) walks on eggshells for the rest of their lives, trying to keep a lid on their emotions.

Worst case scenario, the lid pops off and the passive aggression and “throw my opponent across the room with my mind” infighting would have gotten so bad even Palpatine would have been like “wow this is horrific I wish I’d thought of this myself”.

[dense prawn]

Not like they had much longer to live lol

[rocky tundra]

Fourteen years is reasonably long.

[dense prawn]

But seriously they should have been able to be humble enough to step aside

For someone like Yoda or KAM 14 years is the blink of an eye

[rocky tundra]

“Should” being the relevant term here.

And I think longevity would only make it harder to let go of power.

[dense prawn]

Maybe they needed another Jedi civil war

Might have messed up the sith’s plans entirely

[rocky tundra]

Lol

Palpatine standing there awkwardly.

[dense prawn]

I bet once fallen some Jedi would suddenly be able to sense Palp’s evil

[rocky tundra]

Yeah first Palp would be unable to fulfill his evil plans because now the Jedi are slap-fighting each other and about this close to doing another schism.

And then once the schism really solidifies, the darker side goes “hey wait a second—“

[dense prawn]

But Yoda didn’t want to rock the boat

Both sides would have stopped what they were doing and held their breath watching to see what happens to the Order. I mean what would have happened if when the dust settled it was Yoda, Obi and Anakin as the top 3 on the council and those two advocate for a return to the more relaxed rules on having families

Suddenly it’s ok for Anakin to be married to Padme and she gets real medical care when the twins are born

[rocky tundra]

Yoda undoubtedly was more afraid of creating a new schism than worried about the dark sect from the original schism coming back.

Darth Bane had some less than functional ideas, but the idea of keeping the Sith secret and incredibly few in number was spot on.

It really worked.

[dense prawn]

Bet Yoda thought of all this while eating frog soup on Dagobah

[ruby badge]

So it probably won’t help but I saw a post on Threads about Disney+ feedback and it has an option for “suggest a show”. I just submitted for S2. It takes a bit of scrolling to get to the feedback button (from a phone at least).

https://help.disneyplus.com/

[gaunt atlas]

super easy on desktop

if anyone has the option

[vital oxide]

https://x.com/_LeumasMisc/status/1826006686097957039

Leumas (Sam) #TheAcolyteForever💔 (@_LeumasMisc) on X

Disney+ > Submit Feedback > Request a movie or show > The Acolyte Season 2

#RenewTheAcolyte
#SaveTheAcolyte
#TheAcolyteForever

Twitter · Aug 20, 2024, 9:21 PM

^ Visuals

[grand stream]

Done

Who knows if it'll make a difference, but it never hurts to try

[main ivy]

season 2
season 3
season 4
season 5

[tulip terrace]

I’m bothering them till they get tire of me

[main ivy]

keep bothering them after they get tired of you

[tulip terrace]

I need to tag them again on IG 😂

[main ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[real sparrow]

I was thinking "season 4 and a movie" but that might be pushing it.

[mint kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[tulip terrace]

I’ll post every day

[dense prawn]

The only thing else we can do is buy acolyte merchandise if it shows up, or borrow a page from the save the expanse campaign and fly a banner over Disney HQ lol

[tulip terrace]

I’m trying!

The rest is on preorders 😅

[dense prawn]

I need to look at what’s out there, with the expanse I just bought the bluray’s, but something tells me there isn’t going to be a bluray release of the acolyte

[grand stream]

That's also a page from the save Star Trek Prodigy campaign too lol

[winter ravine]

I wouldn't take this as gospel, yet. Production has a long lead time.

[tulip terrace]

My daily reminder to share your feedback to Disney+ if you wanted to Acolyte renew
#1226909877394210961 message

[grand stream]

People on Twitter are reporting that Acolyte merchandise is being taken down from official sites....

[tulip terrace]

Noooo

[lofty thistle]

I have my doubts, but hopefully that’s not true

If anything I think it’ll be like Lightyear where merch was everywhere for a bit because they were trying to get a return on investment

[main ivy]

What merch specifically? What stores? That's so vague.

[tulip terrace]

It’s! I just search on Disney and HerUniverse and there is nothing. I thought I saw Tshirts. I need to order a shirt from Heroes&Villains.

[grand stream]

I wish I could be more specific, but it seemed like people were talking about the Disney site.

[median fossil]

It’s getting Willowed

[main ivy]

What Acolyte merch was even on the Disney site?

[main ivy]

Let's not start with that until there's actual evidence

[main ivy]

Hot Topic still has their stuff. I wasn't aware that Her Universe had anything.

Action figures are still up for sale on Hasbro Pulse

Minus the helmet which is sold out

But the listing is still there

[quaint willow]

Hasbro pulse is still selling the figures.

Not making a season 2 is a long way from being Willowed

[cinder oasis]

supposedly the misinformation was really about how Acolyte merch has been sold out on Disney store and that merch was mostly all print-per-order type of stuff anyways 🤷🏽‍♀️

[main ivy]

https://www.indiewire.com/features/commentary/the-acolyte-cancellation-star-wars-future-1235038343/

I agree with much of this article, though I take exception to the idea that the Acolyte is the "culmination" of The High Republic books. Aside from sharing 1 character and an era, the stories are completely different lol

[gaunt atlas]

New series coming: Star Wars: Let's Go Blow Up Another -quacking- Death Star.

[tulip terrace]

They did had some Tshirts, nothing else.

[tulip terrace]

I was looking into it, saw many Funkos, which I’m not interested because I got all the Black series figures.

[lofty thistle]

I’m not sure how much new ground it truly broke. There’s still Jedi vs. Sith. Padawans. Immaculate conception through the Force. Yoda. Plagueis. Jedi not as heroic as they ought to be. Just because there’s no Skywalker doesn’t mean it’s a bold experiment.

[tulip terrace]

I think this is the case

[main ivy]

So it sounds like maybe they pulled the print on demand t-shirts that were available on HU and Disney Store

Which is odd but not the same as actively getting rid of merch

And the shirts from Heroes and Villains will be better quality anyway

[tulip terrace]

Yes, that’s what it looks like.

[tulip terrace]

Great article and sad.

[tulip terrace]

I’m definitely getting those.

[main ivy]

I got some of the pod THR stuff from Hot Topic and the quality isn't terrible but it's not great either.

[tulip terrace]

I need one of those THR shirts too

[main ivy]

There are some Etsy ones that are better imho

Shop Celestial Pages has a really cute one

[tulip terrace]

I’ll look into it

[quaint willow]

No no Galaxy Oblitorator. And it too will have an exposed route to its explosive core.

It's like pottery, it dries.

[modern laurel]

Starring one-dimensional heroic manly-man-dude and arm-candy-romantic-interest-girl and loveable silly comedic relief sidekick!

[quaint willow]

This one will have four, count 'em four cute droids

[lofty thistle]

I, for one, can’t wait for the Grevious show, Mando Season 12, more AI Luke, and the post-ROTJ Mace Windu show

[quaint willow]

Now I want to see a show where Grevious hosts a tonight show style comedy and interview show

With his side kick tactical droid

[modern laurel]

Space Grevious Coast to Coast

[main ivy]

honestly I'd watc the hell out of that

[gaunt atlas]

Bazil as his Zorak

[dense prawn]

I saw this article too and agree with your take, but I do fear it’s the end of High Republic at least live action

[main ivy]

It's not the end of the High Republic, and I think it's premature to say it's the end of any further live action High Republic content.

It's a big era and they could do a lot within it that's nowhere near the Acolyte in terms of timeline

That said Disney has made it clear they are cutting way back on Star Wars tv in general, so I wouldn't expect anything for a long time

[dense prawn]

Sorry meant to say shows since I hope for an animated show, and I hope we get more live action stuff but I’m just not sure it’ll happen now, or at least may get pushed back

[main ivy]

We have an animated show already!

[dense prawn]

lol an adult animated show

[main ivy]

I don't think Disney will ever do an adult animated show for Star Wars

[dense prawn]

Like, gimme full grown Nubs

[main ivy]

TCW, Rebels, and Bad Batch are as "adult" as well get for animation IMO

[dense prawn]

I mean, they were pretty adult at times

[grand stream]

Is it sad that, as soon as people found out there was going to be a new animated show, the instant reaction was "New clone show!!"?

[dense prawn]

It evened out with the silly droid episodes, but I distinctly remember a clone trooper getting his head cut off (off screen) in the episode they rescue Evan Piel

[main ivy]

TBF all good children's media can and should be enjoyed by adults. We (adults) don't give kids enough credit for being emotionally complex, smart people in their own right.

[dense prawn]

Yeah

[grand stream]

Omega being held in Tantiss for MONTHS.

[dense prawn]

It’s just harder as an adult to enjoy YJA lol

I’m not a parent being forced to watch 😂

[main ivy]

that being said I don't think TCW always did a good job of exploring the brutality of war in an age appropriate way. But TCW in general is incredibly uneven with some truly awful (in my opinion) episodes and a few really good ones.

[main ivy]

hard disagree on that! I'm a childfree adult and I enjoy watching it.

It's like a cozy blanket

[dense prawn]

Oh yeah a good half of TCW I skip when watching, and yeah I guess it’s more me having trouble taking it seriously, but it is good

I’m trying to push my way through to the episode that has Bell and Loden, and then the one with Starlight

[grand stream]

It was honestly jarring when we got Clone Wars Ahsoka in live action and got a true sense of just how young she was.

[main ivy]

Yep

[lofty thistle]

She was 14 when the war started and 17 when it ended.

[winter ravine]

I just want TCW/Rebels/Bad Batch style post-RotJ

[dense prawn]

I’d love post-RotJ stuff too but not sure they have room in the timeline with Mando & Grogu and Rey movies

Anything close enough to RotJ and people would demand Hamill or make acolyte level complaints that he isn’t in it

[mint kindle]

There are a lot of writers, artists, VAs, and editors in the world.

It could be done. I think money is harder than time.

[mint kindle]

Some may. But I've seen more people say they're ok with recast.

[dense prawn]

Oh yeah I could see Sebastian Stan being young Luke

[mint kindle]

And there are quite a few VAs who can do Luke's voice in animation.

[dense prawn]

But Mando opened the door to Luke being a possibility so he’d have to be in it. Further from RotJ runs into Mando-verse or the ST

[mint kindle]

It's a great big beautiful

Galaxy.

Shining at the end of far far away.

Omg a SW themed Carousel of Progress!

Give us the overlay!

Sorry back to Acolyte!

[main ivy]

I mean... if it's animated Mark could just do the voice. Why would they need to recast?

[dense prawn]

Yeah he’s done lots of voice work

[mint kindle]

If they can't afford him.

Dreamboat costs money hunny.

[strong aspen]

https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1826388381036917219?s=46&t=eWuSbD6Z0N4B9nYjoucJxQ Maybe someone here can confirm, but I don’t think any Acolyte merch was even sold on SD in the first place.

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) on X

All merchandise for ‘THE ACOLYTE’ has been removed from Disney’s online store.

Twitter · Aug 21, 2024, 10:38 PM

[lofty thistle]

If there was, it wasn’t a lot

[strong aspen]

The only Acolyte related merch I remember is the Stranger mask, but it’s preordered from Hasbro if I remember correctly

[dense prawn]

I can’t recall there being any, but yeah I can’t find any now

They’re really shooting themselves in the foot if they have removed what little they had

[strong aspen]

I figured, if SD had Acolyte merchs, we, of all people should’ve known.

Okay, so apparently they had some t shirts

https://www.laughingplace.com/w/disney-merchandise/the-acolyte-disney-plus-early-access-disney-store/

The store links don’t work anymore

[main ivy]

There's the helment, a bunch of Black Series figures, some TVC figures, and a line of Funko Pops

everything else is clothing.

[lofty thistle]

This might be one of those true in letter but not spirit things, with these two events being unrelated

Demand for the shirts probably dropped once the series stopped airing

[gray grove]

Anyone know if the Acolyte products are in sale for Disneyland and Disney world stores?

[grand stream]

Well add me to the list of people sad this isn’t getting a season 2. I wanted to see where things would go between the green Jedi and her former padawan/sith

[barren cipher]

Equally sad it's gone.. this was our show, our moment and it's ruined. 😢

[lofty thistle]

Trying to understand, can anyone explain how Acolyte’s budget got so high? Was it just a really troubled production?

I don’t understand how for the same budget a show like House of the Dragon can have more and longer episodes, multiple practical sets in multiple countries, hundreds of extras, and multiple decently high profile actors.

[tulip terrace]

I bet Carrie-Anne took half of it 😂

[lofty thistle]

Haha, maybe!

[grand stream]

Do we have an indication of how much was shot on location and how much was in the Volume?

[lofty thistle]

We don’t

[grand stream]

https://www.change.org/p/renew-the-acolyte

May help,may not. Doesn't hurt to try though.

[tulip terrace]

Done

[rocky tundra]

Done

[vital oxide]

Done. Also hit their description for more you can do

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/independence-day-independenceday-speech-aliens-gif-10034914

[mint kindle]

A genuinely worthy cause. Signed.

[tulip terrace]

If the haters can write, so can we!

[mint kindle]

I'm so happy and grateful to be in this server filled with people who have had fun discussing episodes for weeks.

[short ether]

Not happy about the cancellation, but this made me laugh…

[strong aspen]

Someone mentioned that we can also suggest Disney+ making Acolyte season 2 from their account page

[cinder oasis]

you mean this?
#1226909877394210961 message

[strong aspen]

Yes that one!

I thought I saw it on twitter

[real sparrow]

A chunk was filmed in the Brecon Beacons, and IIRC one of the Canary Islands too. Wales is not expensive... the Canaries a bit more.

[sly girder]

Thanks to @gaunt atlas I can now be mad in a safe space lol

https://tenor.com/view/angry-anger-pixar-inside-out-aaah-gif-5628546

[mint kindle]

A bunch of (finale spoilers) ||blue sabers turning red would be neat and certainly make a statement.||

[sly girder]

I’m in the “I can see the flaws but still enjoyed the series” camp. Nothing’s perfect but they were in unexplored territory as far as where Star Wars is at the moment. I was excited for new content and I was happy with what I could get.

[grand stream]

https://x.com/RadioRebelPod/status/1826675095143936280

Radio Rebellion: A Star Wars Podcast (@RadioRebelPod) on X

The Acolyte merch is back at the Disney store

Twitter · Aug 22, 2024, 5:37 PM

[median fossil]

Disney cares about minutes streamed, y’all should start a campaign where you play the series nonstop like a marathon, for a week or a month 🤷‍♂️

[tulip terrace]

I see nothing wrong with it.

[median fossil]

I’m down

[lofty thistle]

A spike in sign-ups too

[main ivy]

If I were not traveling this weekend I'd be marathoning it on repeat

[tulip terrace]

https://nerdist.com/article/the-acolyte-cast-members-comment-on-cancellation/

[rancid burrow]

Let’s start a global petition for a Season 2!

https://tenor.com/view/yaaas-fist-pump-rupauls-drag-race-rupaul-yass-my-queen-gif-17226360

[celest summit]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/08/22/fans-fear-the-acolyte-may-be-deleted-entirely-for-a-disney-tax-write-off/

[grand stream]

Merch came back to the store, so this is bunk.

[grand stream]

There already is one. #1226909877394210961 message

[celest summit]

They still have stock to sell, cancelled or not.

[grand stream]

Yes but the paranoia over the show potentially getting pulled was linked to the merch being supposedly taken down.

[clear orbit]

What a clickbait title. Anyone with any sense knows it's not going to be pulled. It's already released

[grand stream]

Willow

[lofty thistle]

So, what they’re saying could happen is the show being un-released, pulled from streaming leaving no legal way to access it. This has already happened with one Lucasfilm Disney+ series.

[clear orbit]

right but what would that accomplish? Even the article said that they can't get a tax write off by doing that

[lofty thistle]

They wouldn’t have to pay royalties to the actors, which they currently do.

[frail trail]

The World According to Jeff Goldblum, Y: The Last Man, The Mighty Ducks, Turner & Hooch, Willow, Maggie, Dollface and the 2022 Cheaper By the Dozen

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/disney-write-down-removing-shows-disney-plus-hulu-1235506474/amp/

It’s a knee jerk reaction…within reason…

[lofty thistle]

I don’t think a Star Wars show would experience it, but I don’t know if anything is totally off the table anymore.

[clear orbit]

A write down is not the same as a tax write off.

[frail trail]

I’m only trying to show that it’s possible, not necessarily the why

[dense prawn]

Sounds like it’s time to sail the high seas for a copy of the show

[grand stream]

It doesn’t look like a show worth pirating

I haven’t watched it

Don’t plan to

I’m glad people like it though

[clear orbit]

Then why are you in this chat? Lol

[grand stream]

I just like seeing how people feel about the show

[clear orbit]

Fair enough

[grand stream]

Outrage culture has taken over the Star Wars side of YouTube so no point in looking there

Only sw YouTuber i watch is hello greedo

[frail trail]

So Goomy

…I mean Gloomy… … …

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-sol-sith-qimir-lightsaber-gif-10243187031529688468

There's plenty to like about this show.

[mint kindle]

So much.

Every little thing it does is magic every little thing it do just

[mint kindle]

Even though my life before was tragic
Now I know my love for it goes on
I resolve to watch it a thousand times a day.

Ok I'm done.

[rancid burrow]

I hope Skeleton Crew comes in clutch it looks pretty cool and brand new

[mint kindle]

I definitely don't have any particular expectations going in. Which I think helps in general enjoyment.

Crazy that I'm still thinking about The Acolyte's little stuff like droid chairs. Such a minor detail.

[main ivy]

My friend wrote this article and it's 🔥

https://www.themarysue.com/why-was-the-acolyte-canceled/

This is exactly how I feel about this show getting cancelled.

Lauren and I were in that room together at SWCE

[frail trail]

Valid feelings from a valid perspective.

[lofty thistle]

Minority creatives aren't "allowed" to create bad art. People have to be consistently amazing, every time. Not just will the outright hateful jump on you, you're effectively forced to act as a representative.

https://youtu.be/DUziUNg8LTw

[grand stream]

I noticed this too it’s really fucking aggravating

Anytime a minority led project fails it’s “because it was minority led/woke”

But when solo failed? Oh it was just a bad movie

Like dude stfu

Just say you’re racist and move on

[lofty thistle]

I think the best example of this and how it's started to change is The Twilight Saga. Back when it was new, most of the criticism stemmed from the fact it was written by and for women. Now that we're culturally moving past that, we've started to see more relevant criticism like the potential to romanticize unhealthy relationships and a racially insensitive portrayal of indigenous people.

[grand stream]

Yeah twilight seems as harmless as something like bayformers

It’s pretty much just the female equivalent of that

But bayformers was praised more by general audiences

Actually twilight is probably even more harmless than transformers since it doesn’t have michael bay’s stupid racial jokes

[lofty thistle]

The other side of this coin is the potential for a dark trend in media production which started with Velma. I think some media companies will semi-intentionally write minority characters poorly because they know the reaction from the culture war will be enough to get some people to hate watch it (if they're opposed to diversity in media) or to watch it to encourage diversity regardless of how it's handled. There is, after all, almost no such thing as bad press and someone who hate watches every week is still watching.

Velma had no real sympathy bounce, but enough hate watchers to justify more seasons. If it had been a similarly bad show about Fred, it probably wouldn't have gotten that response and been quietly cancelled after the first season. But because we currently live in a culture where people will react and commentate in a certain way on any show with a minority lead, a bunch of people saw it that wouldn't have cared about a TV-MA Scooby Doo spin-off otherwise.

[grand stream]

I don’t think every single hate watcher hate watched it because they were racist although the racial component definitely didn’t help

It was pretty universally hated regardless if you were racist or not

But again the race swapping definitely added to it, no denying that

From the clips I’ve seen it just looks like an even worse version of family guy which I didn’t think was possible

[lofty thistle]

The Acolyte, to bring us back on track, definitely tried, but I feel it was butchered in the edit. We'll probably never know how much better or worse earlier versions are, but I feel pretty safe in saying a lot of what we saw on screen wasn't what was in the initial script.

[grand stream]

What leads you to believe it was butchered in editing?

I haven’t seen it so im curious

Obviously don’t care about spoilers

[real sparrow]

I've been told that "all movies are written three times". Apparently what's in the script rarely makes it through visual effects, and then editing can change things drastically again. We only have to look at A New Hope for seeing how that isn't always a bad thing.

[real sparrow]

Twilight is a franchise that, much like Harry Potter, really benefitted from the transition to film. There's a lot of direct explanation of what characters are thinking that just does not help at all. Since a friend suggested the series to me way back when the first movie was still in production so I tried the first book, but I only got maybe a quarter of the way through it before I hit a point where I was kind of amazed that an editor didn't catch something very silly.

[lofty thistle]

Oh, absolutely not! Sometimes it gives a production time to slow cook

[real sparrow]

So like... same deal. Those franchises really benefitted from the editing room.

[lofty thistle]

But post-production retooling is a problem solving tool, so having a lot of it can mean there were a lot of problems that needed solving.

[real sparrow]

There always are.

[dense prawn]

I do wonder how speeding up the reveal for the Stranger changed things. They said in an interview they might not have revealed who the Stranger was until season 2, ||but Manny Jacinto was so good they pushed the reveal forward||

[rancid burrow]

Family Server!

[elder pagoda]

https://media.giphy.com/media/27qK5o4HEnZWbprqSM/giphy.gif

[dense prawn]

I mean sure they’d kinda telegraphed who the Stranger was so it wasn’t a huge surprise but the uncertainty had driven me to almost convince myself that ||Mother Koril was the stranger.|| Leaving it up in the air for the entire season might have made it more compelling

[mint kindle]

I think we're still within the 6 weeks spoiler territory.

But I'm bad at math.

[main ivy]

This is a spoiler channel so either way it's fine to talk spoilers here.

[clear orbit]

It got canceled because it didn't generate enough revenue for how much it cost. It's as simple as that. That's how big film and TV companies work. It's about the bottom line. Obviously the creatives in the company want to make compelling and great stuff but if it is a net loss the people who control the money will say no

I wouldn't read any more into it than that

[grand stream]

How does one measure revenue on a streaming show where you pay for a service, not for a show? That's something I've never understood.

[lofty thistle]

Minutes watched is the main one

[gaunt atlas]

also new subscriptions, but I feel like that might already be near a saturation point

[short ether]

(TIMEseries/TIMEplatform), times REVENUEplatform, then add in revenue from all ads streamed during the breaks

[mint kindle]

Is it? But it's the general one. Guess it doesn't matter then.

I'd keep them in their respective episode threads or just use the last episode thread for them or use tags.

But I guess if people haven't watched it yet, they probably aren't going to.

[rocky tundra]

Not necessarily.

At least, my parent just mentioned on the phone they are finishing up watching their current tv show, and wondered if I had a recommendation for the next one.

If I start my description of the show with “Remember the movie Rashomon? This has parts that are like that” then they’ll probably give it a try.

[main ivy]

Yes. Mods/admin discussed that early on when people started sharing spoilers in this channel from the premier. We decided to treat this as a spoiler channel.

[grand stream]

I still haven’t seen mando s3

I will eventually

[mint kindle]

So we can now talk about anything that happened in any of the episodes here?

Nice

[main ivy]

🌎 🧑‍🚀 🔫

[mint kindle]

I'm glad noone did though. Hearing about stuff that happened in 5 on "general" before seeing it would have sucked.

So no it wasn't always like that.

[mint kindle]

Useful to know for future shows!

[dense prawn]

I mean that is pretty spoilery what I said, I’ll edit it

[gaunt atlas]

you don't need to, the show specific channels are spoiler-friendly

[dense prawn]

Completely off topic but is there a channel for YJA? I can’t seem to find one

[gaunt atlas]

huh, there doesn't seem to be

I just brought it up, see if one should be created

[rocky tundra]

We’ve been using #star-wars-animation for YJA talk for the most part, but I don’t see why it can’t get its own channel.

[dense prawn]

Yeah I figured SW Animation, but didn’t know for sure

[barren oxide]

Back from vacation, just heard the news - I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the sea and didn’t want to sell my kidney for a few MB of internet.
So, congratulations online media and hate culture. Those Star Wars “fans” must be proud. No more “wrong” Star Wars. If you don’t like something (or pretend not to like it because it gives you more clicks) it must go away. Well done!
This is why we can’t have nice things and have even less in the future.

[swift ice]

I am thinking of actually rewatching this show again

seeing yall post how much you liked it has made me come to really like it as well.

[lofty thistle]

While very vocal, I don’t think the culture war hatedom was a significant factor in the cancellation. It didn’t get the buzz it needed for how high the budget was, while they might pretend otherwise the Fandom Menace’s role in that was minor.

[dense prawn]

The hate kept a lot of people from giving the show a chance to generate buzz

[lofty thistle]

I’m not denying there’s some downward pressure there, but other shows that initially drew their ire generated positive buzz just fine

[modern laurel]

I've run into a few people that told me some variation of "heard it was bad so i didn't watch it" or "saw the bad reviews so I skipped it" during the initial review-bombing phase.

Also, some people really aren't comfortable with the subversion of the pure hero jedi thing. One guy said "I heard they made the jedi bad? how could they do that? I'm not gonna watch that". Some people just want a simple story. "Him good! Them bad! Good guy win! yay!"

That said, the show could have used some simplification in terms of plot, considering the short runtimes and episode count.

[median fossil]

Word of mouth is important though, look at Andor, it started slow and it picked up in the end according to the ratings, The Acolyte did the complete opposite.

[grand stream]

And yet supposedly was always in the Top 10 Nielsen ratings. Who really knows what to believe.

[rocky tundra]

I believe these guys are cute.

Also I’m pretty sure the creature designer guy who built them is the same person who built the porgs for TLJ.

Which gives these little guys even more street cred.

[lofty thistle]

I wish streaming companies were more transparent about this stuff. I’ve heard everything from Acolyte was a huge viewership success to basically no one was watching it

[grand stream]

I've heard pretty much the same

[gaunt atlas]

And that more people watched than Andor but also fewer people watched than Andor.

[median fossil]

This is the comparison I was shown about the Nielsen ratings and other shows

[barren oxide]

Ahsoka ranking higher than Only Murders? How could they?

When talking at the coffee machine the other day a colleague said to me: “Oh, the Acolyte? I must find time to watch it. I’ve heard it’s so good.” and I was so surprised that I almost choked on my coffee. 🤷‍♂️
But a lot of damage has been done and I’ll remember the people who did it.

[dense prawn]

Only Murders is criminally undermarketed, I only heard about it cause some friends of my family were ranting about it, and now I rant to anyone who hasn’t heard about it lol

[clear orbit]

The haters didn't cause it to be canceled. Disney is a for profit business. They make things they think they can profit off of. The show obviously didn't do well enough to convince execs that it could do well for a second season so it got canceled

[rancid burrow]

Well it’s certainly at #10 all right 💀
Cobra Kai and the Boys is so good 🔥🔥

[clear orbit]

The boys most recent season is kind of a dud for me. But that's a topic for another channel

[grand stream]

With pre-existing assets, the show could've had a smaller, more personal scope for season 2 and thus been less expensive. But that's not how Iger sees things, I guarantee it.

[clear orbit]

no he doesn't, if he's even the one making those decisions

which I doubt

[dense prawn]

At this point all we can do is watch it, spread the word and hope. It’s not like there’s some expensive set they’re taking apart like the bridge of the enterprise or stargate command, there’s always a slim chance they could change their mind in the future and go right back to filming

[grand stream]

Considering that they did a big thing with Manny at D23 and promoted the heck out of The Acolyte, and reports say they were starting to work on writing for season 2, the whole thing smells of Iger not seeing the potential creatively or financially.

[clear orbit]

well if he did make that decision, he didn't do it on his own. I guarantee lots of market analsys was done and it all pointed towards cancelation

and even if he did want to renew it, he would have to justify it to the board of directors, who ostenibly have as much power as he does

CEO's generally don't make those kind of decisions tbh, remember Disney isn't just TV and movies. That is just one small part of what they do. And under a different subsidiary which has it's own leadership team as well

[rancid burrow]

And also I’m pretty sure Bob Iger has more bigger things on his plate right now than just one show lol

[real sparrow]

It's very difficult to generate positive buzz when the discourse is dominated by people being terrible or discussions about people being terrible.

And when you get this as your first response to talking with new people about it: #1226909877394210961 message

Sisyphus knows that gig well.

[mint kindle]

Blaming Iger is comforting to people because it's one person people can be mad at. A visible tangible target.

I think a lot of things went into this. I don't want to empower the haters by giving them credit. If they swayed a decision it was a smaller part of a bigger problem.

But better than the blame game is plausible solutions!

I personally don't see what I can do to help other than watch the show and share my love for it.

[rancid burrow]

If anyone is to blame it’s KK and Leslie for not thinking this through properly enough.

[mint kindle]

How do you mean?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I just don't have your information.

Google didn't help.

[mint kindle]

wiggles happily Nice reference!

[gaunt atlas]

Thinking what through, specifically?

[clear orbit]

Tbh, niether of them makes those decisions either. Because they aren't in charge of the money. They are creatives and they never have control of the money

[median fossil]

They clearly thought things through, I mean I questioned why we didn’t see KK at D23 this year, like at all, even when the studio heads were showcasing the Fortnite characters, every studio head was there, but not her, just Filoni.

I guess they didn’t want a repeat of someone getting booed when they went on stage like Chapek did on a prior D23

[cedar kernel]

The KK blame game is kinda bad faith to me. If you want to blame her for what you perceive as failings of the franchise, you also have to praise her for generally speaking universally acclaimed stuff like Mando, Rogue One and the goat of goats Andor.

So throwing KK blame around feels more like shitty sexism and less like honest critique

[lofty thistle]

There’s definitely some poor use of funds involved, the show was good but it probably shouldn’t have cost over $600,000 a minute

[rancid burrow]

Blaming Iger is sexist too now I think about it, Chapek got booed? Yikes
I just hope Lucasfilm does a course correction like Marvel to cook some good stuff and take their time with their content and not spend so much money before they know what exactly they’re making.

[median fossil]

Dude that’s the issue I have, where did all that money go?!

[median fossil]

Marvel’s a different story but they are clearly and extremely steering their ship in the right direction. Reynolds had to pitch Deadpool and Wolverine three times, and no one wanted it made, because they didn’t understand it. Now after its success, they changed the slate of phase 6. Lucasfilm’s is being hard headed but Didn’t they cancelled the Taika movie?

Feige was hesitant to even let it be made, but he personally stated in comic con on hall h, that D&P was the most insane movie screening he has ever been a part of, the crowd was going nuts and rightly so, but for him to say that, while living through the first ten years of the MCU is saying something.

[gaunt atlas]

Please explain how blaming Iger is sexist.

[clear orbit]

I keep saying that these episodes are too short. They don't have enough time to fully explore the characters and the story. Most of them wouldn't even fit into a 1 hour time slot on TV

[grand stream]

I don't always agree. For example, I felt Ahsoka was very well paced. But we knew those characters. So I agree, The Acolyte could've been paced out a bit better.

[clear orbit]

Yeah Ahsoka didn't suffer from it as much because as you said we already knew those characters. That said, I have friends who watched it and didn't like it because they don't know those characters.

[lofty thistle]

Something seems deeply broken in the way shows get made currently. Game of Thrones was able to make 7-10 episodes in a year for eight years.

[mint kindle]

I will always support people getting paid and having labor laws that protect and serve workers. I'm wondering if budgets could be better managed in other departments. Why do movies cost billions now? Is it the technology? Would a production that goes back to using older "hollywood" rooted techniques be as popular?

Shows are getting more expensive yet there are less episodes.

A great story can be told and has (in this case and others) been told in 8 episodes.

But if money decides what gets made and renewed, is it possible to change those budgets without harming workers and hurting audience reception?

Can we go back to stars being pinholes in a black sheet?

[lofty thistle]

They’re not being treated well. Part of the reason for overreliance on CGI is that they don’t have unions, so the studios can work them as hard as they please.

[mint kindle]

I meant the sag/aftra and writers unions getting something of what they asked for.

At least I'm hoping they did.

Which I can see people blaming that for increased costs. I am preemptively saying that's not where they should cut budgets from.

[lofty thistle]

They did get several concessions, but that’s also just actors.

[mint kindle]

This is useful information. And makes sense. Edit: and is terrible.

[lofty thistle]

Crew still regularly gets the short end of the stick.

[mint kindle]

I believe it.

[lofty thistle]

The CGI overuse also has cascading consequences. Now it’s the norm to change things out in post-production, which would be virtually unheard of before.

[mint kindle]

Money.
A root of the big money question is Do modern audiences need perfect?

People didn't give The Acolyte glowing reviews because they nitpick (among other things).

So I don't think some of them can.

I want to know when and how we went from giggling over a storm trooper bonking his head on a fake door to needing everything to be perfect.

I'll stop. ❤️

[lofty thistle]

It’s not even a money saver, as we can see here!

[mint kindle]

On the subject of perfection: I thought The Acolyte was pretty perfect.

There were two bomb diggity lines that upon further thought, weren't great. But that's not worth disliking the show over.

"We are not what we lose but what we survive."

And the twins one sided twin chant.

Actually I retract that last one as we went over it and decided that it was either a poem to say completely simultaneously or was purposefully one sided.

But that was my one complaint so I'd say for me it was a perfect show.

[grand stream]

I loved The Acolyte, but it isn't my favorite. I do think more episodes or longer episodes would've helped. Like, I would've liked more about how Osha and Yord's friendship as padawans went and why he soured on her so easily. I'd love to know why Jecki had such an immediate "ugh" reaction when she found out that Yord was going on the mission with Sol.

[mint kindle]

Haha yes!!

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[real sparrow]

I think we can infer from context that Yord is unhappy that anyone would decide that being a Jedi is not for them, perhaps because that casts his own doubts into stark relief.

Further we can infer from context that Jecki doesn't like him because he's an uptight know-it-all, which is possibly further informed by the doubts that he is denying even having causing him to over-compensate.

[vital oxide]

My god Amandalas Instagram story is heartbreaking

[tulip terrace]

It was beautiful

[main ivy]

So poignant

[tulip terrace]

It’s always sad when something wonderful ends

[lapis agate]

I'm not surprised the show was canceled, but man I'm bummed we won't see more Manny Jacinto as Qimir.

[celest summit]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they spin him off into something

[lofty thistle]

Would have to be a novel or comic.

The lesson Lucasfilm will take away from this will 110% be “mainstream audiences don’t want a live action show set outside the Skywalker Saga.”

[median fossil]

Rogue one and Solo was good

[mint kindle]

Andor is very well received.

[tulip terrace]

Sadly, they need to add Acolyte to that list. https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2024/07/30/disney-cancels-new-series-after-one-season/

[winter ravine]

Oh no, TIL Renegade Nell wasn't renewed.

[real sparrow]

Renegade Nell was so well publicised that I had no idea that Louisa Harland was in it.

I would have watched it for her alone.

[barren oxide]

Oh no. I have that on my list, but couldn’t manage to watch it yet.

[modern laurel]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_WItHTx0z8/?igsh=MW9uam5mMWU1c2FtcA==

Qimir cake from the discords favorites cake artist

[rapid lake]

I thought you meant a different kind of cake

Am mildly disappointed

[modern laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[rapid lake]

I saw that coming

And I deserve it

[dense prawn]

I’m mildly scared of that cake

[gaunt atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/scaroused-futurama-philip-fry-gif-17514196

but also her cakes are delicious

in a food way

and cookies

she's an excellent baker

[rocky tundra]

Fear is the path to the dark side.

So I guess the cake is working?

[dense prawn]

I wanna see a “nailed it” version of that cake 😂

If that show is still around

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-korea-cake-yummy-yum-gif-5252028

[swift ice]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/02/a-glimmer-of-hope-for-the-acolyte-season-2/

[gaunt atlas]

the planned comics and novels do not speak of something they planned on canning

[lofty thistle]

I think this’ll be a Firefly situation, unfortunately

[dense prawn]

Getting a movie where Alan Tudyk plays the best character that also dies? 😭😭😭

[main ivy]

The best character already died 😭

[swift ice]

Two of the best*

[main ivy]

I said what I said

But rip Jecki and Yord also

[swift ice]

Is it Sol?

[swift ice]

Oh yea i forget about Yord. I did like him

[rocky tundra]

Original Pip?

[main ivy]

Yes

[grand stream]

"Despite Disney speaking to various media outlets about The Acolyte being cancelled thanks to lack of viewership" Oh come on! Find me one article where someone from Disney is named and saying something about why it was cancelled. All we have seen is "sources". SOURCES =/= Disney.

[lofty thistle]

Disney doesn’t really talk openly about this stuff

Paul Tassi isn’t an outright hack, but he’s far from the cream of the crop when it comes to media journalists. A lot of his articles are just summaries of Reddit comment sections.

[short ether]

Crap! They got captured by the First Order. Hopefully someone can break them out!

(Keeping it here even though its not really spoilery on the series)

[modern laurel]

Heard from a guy who knows a guy that talked to this person who's cousins uncles best friends mechanics apprentice had lunch in the same restaurant as this person who once thought about the movie that a guy was in that had this other person in it that was in another movie with the other guy that once said hi to George Lucas in 1992.

[rocky tundra]

Resistance spies show up
“Hey, we’re with the Resistance! We’re here to break you out—“
The spies stare down a hallway full of First Order officers and troopers lying concussed or sliced to pieces on the floor (depending on who got to them first)
“…ok never mind then.”

[wanton radish]

What about the holiday special?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars_Holiday_Special

[main ivy]

That is well and truly comparing meilooruns to jogans

Broadcast TV was an entirely different world with very different rules than streaming. Back then no one was thinking about "canon". They were just trying to keep Star Wars front of mind so they could sell more toys and keep people interested for Empire.

The Holiday Special is far from the only broadcast special that aired one and was never seen again. We only care about this one because of what Star Wars is now

[real sparrow]

I believe it's still fully claimed by Lucasfilm too, so there's no "it's been abandoned" loophole to freely distribute it.

[main ivy]

If they even have the masters... I guess maybe they do since they released part of it on D+

[real sparrow]

They may have recorded it at TV quality anyway, so releasing it now could require a lot of work to fix.

[main ivy]

They could always steal one of the fan restoration attempts!

But yeah. Comparing the fact that the Holiday Special aired once and never again to the Acolyte potentially getting pulled from streaming is not going to give us useful information.

[modern laurel]

Then there's the "other" star wars special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-aDHbBWfMQ

[main ivy]

Rereading this, it sounds like I think the Acolyte might get pulled. I don't really think that. I should have said, "Using the fact that the Holiday Special aired once and then never again as a potential precedent for the Acolyte getting pulled from D+ doesn't make sense becasue the two situations are so vastly different."

[gaunt atlas]

We sailed the Pirate Sea just in case.

[main ivy]

hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[lofty thistle]

It’s also been 45 years, it’s not comparable

Willow is the actually apt comparison

[grand stream]

I only watched episode 5 of the acolyte and I liked it

[rocky tundra]

Episode 5 is an excellent episode.

I also really enjoyed 2, 6, 7 and 8.

If you found the fights in episode 5 enjoyable, I think episode 8 would be worth your time as it also has lightsaber fighting and hand to hand combat.

[gaunt atlas]

And also 1, 3, and 4.

[rocky tundra]

Yes one ought to watch the whole season.

To get the whole story

[grand stream]

Will check it out

[rocky tundra]

Oh and there’s a pretty solid lightsaber fight in episode 7 too.

[grand stream]

I don’t wanna watch the whole thing because the trailer didn’t impress me and the negative perception isn’t selling me

I was actually excited for it when it got announced years ago but the trailer singlehandedly killed my interest

[rocky tundra]

I’m a completionist and would feel like something was being kept from me if I didn’t finish all the episodes in a given season of a show.

But you do you.

[gaunt atlas]

Why is the negative perception elsewhere doing more than the positive perception here? It's only 8 ~45 minute episodes, not too much of a commitment to watch and form your own opinion.

[grand stream]

The show already looked kinda meh to me

This is the only place im in where people are positive toward it

[rocky tundra]

I confess I’m a little stumped as to what was so off putting in the trailer.

A Jedi was murdered? That happens in every trilogy.

[grand stream]

I don’t really have a strong reasoning. It just didn’t really impress me.

I don’t wanna sound like im hating on it or anything and i didn’t wanna say this but im not joking when i say it was the first time a trailer has ever put me to sleep

[rocky tundra]

But you enjoyed the combat in episode 5, it sounds like.

[grand stream]

It just looked kinda bland

[grand stream]

Ya a lot

It was the first time in a while where i got like chills watching sw

[rocky tundra]

Then maybe @gaunt atlas is right and it’s worth it to see what else the season is hiding in each episode.

[grand stream]

Andor was good but it wasn’t usually trying to be hype like that if that makes sense

[rocky tundra]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big proponent of “this thing doesn’t interest me so I’m going to go do something else and not talk about the non-interesting thing”.
But if I see some part of something that does interest me, I want to check it out in its entirety.

[grand stream]

I feel like we never really got to see the jedi in their prime as a force to be reckoned with like that and it was like scratching an itch i had

[dense prawn]

Yeah it was a slow build but it ends on a really high note

It’s a shame more people didn’t give it a chance

[rocky tundra]

I don’t know if you’re a big reader or not but the High Republic book initiative has a lot of “Jedi in their prime” action.

[rancid burrow]

Andor is really good but also drags a little bit but I’m really hyped for season 2

[lofty thistle]

It feels like the streaming model really broke things

If people are going to wait every week to watch a show, pretty much every minute has to be solid gold.

[grand stream]

I’ll be sure to check that out too

I don’t really read comics but i’d read that

[gaunt atlas]

That's the same model that tv has always been, and not every minute had to be gold. It's only been a few years that binging was an option, not a guaranteed thing.

[lofty thistle]

… especially since for each minute of show you could buy this much literal gold

[grand stream]

I prefer binging

I’d rather just watch stuff on my time

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/netflix-homer-episodes-eat-binge-watching-gif-16836154

I love Binging

[grand stream]

Episode 8 fight was cool

There’s a part where sol does a goku move

[rocky tundra]

That’s the circular wave of force energy, I assume.

[grand stream]

Ya haha

[rocky tundra]

A ‘ka me ha me ha’ as I hear the kids are calling it.

[grand stream]

Oh no I was thinking of a different move

This one

[rocky tundra]

Noted

[grand stream]

A similar move existed in The Force Unleashed games too, so it was really cool to see it used in canon

[dense prawn]

My absolute favorite new things to both live action and canon: Cortosis and kyber bleeding

Cortosis was exactly what I pictured in my mind when reading the books (other than only disabling a lightsaber for a few seconds rather than minutes), and the bleeding/blade color change was just jaw droppingly good. Like the first time seeing the Darksaber in live action

[gaunt atlas]

that crystal bleed and then the saber coming out blue but shifting to red. so so good.

[real sparrow]

Cortosis has been new canon since 2014. A New Dawn is a great book for Rebels fans.

[dense prawn]

I meant more on it being introduced in live action but it’s obscure enough it was a lot of people’s first time seeing/hearing about it

[real sparrow]

Fair point.

[dense prawn]

It’s like that book and the Thrawn books that talk about it, so it’s easy to not know about if you weren’t a big legends book reader

[mint kindle]

I don't even remember the trailer for The Acolyte besides a fight scene.

It's hard for me to pick a favorite episode.

I loved all of them.

3 and 5 were very memorable.

[rancid burrow]

So how’s that petition going on??
Are we finally gonna get a Season 2?

[wanton radish]

Yeah, I'm sure Disney will listen to us. Get as many signatures as you want. It's not going to happen. It only happened with The Clone Wars because of the unique circumstances surrounding its cancelation. I wouldn't even bother.

[lofty thistle]

It will probably get wrapped up in a comic.

[mint kindle]

I've been seeing an overwhelming amount of people loving The Acolyte who didn't watch it until more recently.

[rancid burrow]

Damn that’s unfortunate, I surely thought maybe the Fans can revive it back but I guess it’s just not possible

[mint kindle]

Lots of new viewers asking "why did people not like this?"

[rancid burrow]

Honestly if I was KK I wouldn’t mind retiring right now and passing it on to someone else.
Can’t imagine the pain and suffering it’s been for her lately.

[mint kindle]

Negative people are just bored and loud.

I'd bet most people who watched it enjoyed it.

[rancid burrow]

I think a Comic or Lego series would be cool to see for the Acolyte

[wanton radish]

That's pretty much my point. The negativity left such an impression that reviving The Acolyte seems pretty much impossible.

[rancid burrow]

If anything I believe getting all the main actors from the Acolyte and have them do different Star Wars projects like other Movies, Shows or Video games would be good too and it gives them a second chance of success.

[wanton radish]

Agreed. Rebecca Henderson deserved to be cast in a different series if no one else. I have met so many people who have said that they didn't like her acting. I had to explain every time that Vernestra Rwoh's character is complicated and that she often doesn't show as much emotion as other Jedi. Her acting was not bad. It was just in-character! She needs another character to prove herself to the people who hadn't read The High Republic novels.

[lofty thistle]

I don't like it either, but Disney could have waited months and just not confirmed a season 2 was happening, like they did with Kenobi where we didn't find out until the physical release over a year later was marked "the complete series."

If they announced no season 2 this quickly after it finished airing, their mind is made up.

[dense prawn]

Eh, I think if there’s a groundswell of viewing and interest, and either the original staff or someone else come up with a plan to cut costs, it could come back

The cost cutting would be more important imo, they spent a crap load of money on the show

[lofty thistle]

https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/jodie-turner-smith-interview-2024-glamour-women-of-the-year-awards

[wanton radish]

Fail upward. That's an interesting way to put it. I like that.

[lofty thistle]

It kinda seems like some of the cast don't really want to come back because no support was offered when they were subjected to bigoted attacks.

[lofty thistle]

Moses Ingram and John Boyega have complained of the same. I’m curious what the long term consequences could be, especially if Disney’s inaction compels other minority actors to steer clear of the IP.

[rancid burrow]

Mann
John Boyega got done real dirty by them I don’t blame him for not wanting to come back.

[lofty thistle]

It’s not like Disney doesn’t have the legal team. Start waving subpoenas for the information of people leaving racist attacks in the actor’s DMs and this would be a lot easier.

[dense prawn]

Yeah, if some people got named and shamed for this shit it would happen a lot less

[lofty thistle]

Also I’m now pretty sure Ewan didn’t get permission to make that video defending Ingram

[main ivy]

At least he did it. He's the only one who ever has.

[vital oxide]

https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1865126774520037593?s=46

Star Wars Holocron (@sw_holocron) on X

THE ACOLYTE is the #1 show on Entertainment Weekly’s list of 21 Show Cancellations That Hurt the Most in 2024

Twitter · Dec 6, 2024, 8:10 PM

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[modern laurel]

Yep. so much lost potential.

[vital oxide]

https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1865145760192303328

Oof

[gaunt atlas]

Late attention is still attention, and there's nothing saying it can't be un-canceled. There's always hope!

https://tenor.com/view/rebellions-are-built-on-hope-jyn-erso-felicity-jones-star-wars-rogue-one-gif-26233408

[vital oxide]

Aye

[modern laurel]

Available for preorder, coming June 2025

[gaunt atlas]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-the-acolyte-cancelation-explained/
From the source, just too expensive for where the viewership was.

[vital oxide]

🙃🤬

[lofty thistle]

I think Disney Plus has undermined that feeling of new content as an event for both Star Wars and the MCU.

[lofty thistle]

https://fictionhorizon.com/despite-all-the-backlash-the-acolyte-was-disneys-second-most-watched-show-of-2024-with-2-7-billion-minutes/

[lofty thistle]

We got the actuals for Acolyte’s budget due to tax disclosures from the subsidiary set up to make it https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13289804/filing-history

TL;DR: $31.77 million per episode.