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gaunt ice
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maybe they're playing a bigger role here?

round sinew
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Oh yeah. They're all just filler, unless the captain is important. But I figure he's just there to pave the way into General Anderson

round sinew
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Unless they drop some big twist. But it really just seems the True Sons were useful idiots for Wraith/Schaeffer/Lau/Black Tusk.

gaunt ice
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you mean Dusk?cuz Wraith was working with the hyenas

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eh i dont blame you,the rogues past seasons were bland

round sinew
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Wraith was called out in the audio, sorry.

gaunt ice
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huh,guess i missed that

round sinew
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Regardless, it seems that Lau went "rogue," gathered up some rogues to turn over to Black Tusk to gain trust, allowing Lau to rise up high enough to be roughly Schaeffer's equal or lieutenant.

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And Sokolova had an insurance policy where if the rogue SHD agents were too much of a handful, her friend McManus would deal with them.

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The DHS Secretary McManus.

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With a Hunter he gave to Schaeffer.

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DHS, the same department that SHD operates under.

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So if McManus is complicit in the Black Tusk takeover, and Hunters(at least one we know of) work for him, then it seems a lot of our theories from months(years?) ago are coming true.

gaunt ice
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what theory did i miss?

round sinew
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SHD was likely crippled intentionally from the start.

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And Hunters are "third wave" Homeland Security agents loyal to McManus and used to wipe up SHD.

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Possibly even a "loyalist" inner circle for SHD.

gaunt ice
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so now what,the McManus dude wants to overthrow the government and become leader of the new world?

lofty spire
sleek plover
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He probably bald

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like the rest of the division villains.
like bliss, Ridgeway, Schaffer, Lewis, Charlie Brown and Caillou

mint citrus
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Out here lookin' like a cue ball

river apex
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Soooo... ||Faye isn't a villain because she has a full head of hair?||

gaunt ice
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Benitez as next villain confirmed lesgooooo

tepid ibex
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Are Hunter's even human?

magic meteor
cold bramble
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Caillou's gonna launch a virus to make everyone's hair fall

round sinew
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I feel bad for Schaeffer

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Sokolova gives him a team of BTSU, he thinks they're all incompetent idiots, and they all get killed.

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Faye hooks him up with a team of rogue SHD agents. He thinks they're all annoying psychopaths, and they all get killed.

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McManus gives him a Hunter. He thinks the guy is the creepiest fuckin' dude, and he gets killed.

cold bramble
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And then Schaeffer ate 36 separate ACS shells to the body and ISAC was like "yeah he aight bruv"

sick lantern
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the million dollar Schaeffer

cold bramble
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Now he's probably got pellets in each possible joint of his body

sick lantern
tepid ibex
# round sinew Seems that they are.

Seems like they're never permitted to talk tho. Since one was teamed with Shaeffer, he only ever grunted or growled. Maybe their tongues are cut out?! šŸ¤”

round sinew
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I think it's likely they were just scrambled comms

river apex
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I'm sure they spoke. After all, you couldn't hear it because you're already dead petter

frail coyote
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thinking about it since hunters were confirmed to be with the HLS, and SHD was a subsidiary of the HLS, can it be inferred that Hunters are infact Third wave agents?

kindred valley
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Possibility, I'd wait for more lore to drop, as it seems they're uncovering more details on them with each decryption of lau's logs, and going too crazy with theories may be best to do once we have all the puzzle pieces this season brings

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Definitely interested to see more intel regarding McManus and what his goals are

river apex
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I'd be more convinced at this point to agree or believe that hunters were deployed as the third wave group. But that would be a scary thought since it would imply that someone or some entity has an army of hunters at their disposal to do their bidding in this post-pandemic world. New world order, maybe?

untold blaze
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are outcasts in new york a glitch or is there something to it cuz i cant remember anything about outcasts doing shit in nyc

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cleaners in dc i know happened during the venus manhunt (was that her name?)

magic meteor
urban musk
sleek plover
untold blaze
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mmmm yummy space alien face carapace mmmm put it on my own face i will

sick lantern
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hunters and xenomorphs are buddies

ashen jungle
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I always got more of a Yautja vibe from the Hunters tbh.
The whole "taking trophies" thing.

mint citrus
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They could've slapped a reference to Predator 2 in there somewhere

patent narwhal
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I guess you could make the argument that the masks are the equivalent to the flintlock

ashen jungle
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I would pay vast sums of money to have Danny Glover be a vendor.

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jokes aside, I'm glad we don't have too many tie-ins.
The RE outfits were kinda past my limit already.

patent narwhal
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yeah RE kinda makes a little sense but overall TD doesn't really work well with crossovers IMO

sick lantern
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they couldā€™ve made an RE crossover work quite well I think, but not by just having you fight zombies

patent narwhal
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maybe if it was some wack mutation of the green flu

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thats the only way I could see it really working

sick lantern
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or just make it non canon ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

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Where tf did my text go? >:(

patent narwhal
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yeah it'd probably be both

sick lantern
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and give it a thin excuse

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ā€œagent, company bioweapons blah blahā€

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have a faction and have some of their archetypes be Resident Evil enemies

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rushers=hunters, medics=regenerators idk stuff like that

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and ofc Tanks=Tyrants

raw escarp
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They just come out and say all the Stalker Hunters are Nemesis-T types

mint citrus
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"STARS..."

sick lantern
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imagine that but instead of ā€œstarsā€ itā€™s ā€œSHADE...ā€

ashen jungle
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I think most of us would be wondering what the A and E stand for.

spare arrow
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strategic homeland assumption division employee

ashen jungle
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replace "assumption" with "ah not another trust-fund kid" and we've got a winner.

spare arrow
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"Wow, even in an apocolypse your fashion taste is terrible, those pants with that belt? Wow, great taste"

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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I think any silliness factor is negated by having a tie-in to a zombie series in a realistic military shooter.

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Could've picked any other franchise.

sick lantern
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there are certainly sillier franchises

mint citrus
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Ghost Recon did a few in Wildlands afaik

untold blaze
sleek plover
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I hate LMB

real glade
sick lantern
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apparently rick valassi is ā€œsquatting in a loft in morningside heightsā€ (north of central park)

frigid glacier
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I know someone mentioned it earlier, but were they still recruiting agents during the first/second wave?

Or like
Agents in training
Smth like that

sick lantern
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presumably they stopped looking for new candidates during the crisis, although the Recruited novel shows that agents could be recruited during pandemic as I donā€™t think itā€™s entirely coherent with the lore

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I donā€™t think they ever said they canā€™t recruit new agents whilst operating but I donā€™t think it makes much sense with the breadth of the training an agent has to go through

fleet rover
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wouldn't it be cool if there was some voice in the back of your head that kept saying stuff?
ie: your ancestor/narrator from the darkest dungeon

magic meteor
sleek plover
sleek plover
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I found a leak on a new unique weapon.
Its an outcats made sonic wave cannon which fires justin bieber songs.

magic meteor
cold bramble
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it seems they were decisive and talented

gaunt ice
sleek plover
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My agent definitely would force Bardon Schaeffer to listen to Baby 24/7 as an interrogation method

cold bramble
sleek plover
sick lantern
sick lantern
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my copy of Recruited arrived today

gaunt ice
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How is it so far

sick lantern
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not read it yet

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cus iā€™m playing the game rn

tepid ibex
sick lantern
tepid ibex
sick lantern
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if I find Valassi heā€™s gonna get shaken up, I want that virus data

sick lantern
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Apparently Netflix will have some involvement at the summer game fest tomorrow, hopefully we get movie news

tepid ibex
river apex
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Starring Idris Elba as Antwon Ridgeway div2relax

sleek plover
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Jack Black as Bliss

ashen jungle
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and Sean Bean as that original Division Commander who dies at the very start of the movie.

gaunt ice
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Movie adaptation of video games are notoriously bad

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Theyā€™re literally about to make another resident evil movie thatā€™s not even scary

unreal widget
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I'm still somewhat hopeful that the movie will be somewhat good because the director is a The Division fan. But yea... not too hopeful though. šŸ¤­

sick lantern
sleek plover
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I am ZORGON! The Space Barbarian from planet GONZOR! The destroyer of LMB!

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And i am NOT hallucinating cuz of spice consumption!

fleet rover
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Say, you think the average agent can still get a cold? Even with the ā€œcocktailā€ vaccine and the other stuff they were injected with?

ashen jungle
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I mean, I'm like 90% sure that there's Agents who've gotten sick in comms either in div1 or 2, and not from Green Poison.
a vaccine is specific in what it protects from, it's not an umbrella.

late void
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unless it's a bsav

ashen jungle
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It should have "deus ex machina" printed on it ingame, really get the message across.

fleet rover
versed sentinel
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Whats this about?

ashen jungle
brittle star
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Div 2 wony story cinematic was nice

river apex
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Is the upcoming film meant to be live action or animated?

Those Div2 WONY cutscenes were surely polished, it'd be a shame if that level of production wasn't translated in the film petter

sick lantern
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at least Iā€™m pretty sure

river apex
gaunt ice
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Coming from a company/studio that does everything good but their actual game?yeah

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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But thereā€™s nothing to believe this wonā€™t suck

sick lantern
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idk video game stuff seems to have gotten better recently

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detective pikachu and the cuphead show are also both good

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not that there isnā€™t still shit

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resident evil, uncharted

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But itā€™s fair to believe that it could be good

gaunt ice
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Well I guess a bit hopium wonā€™t kill

river apex
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The better question is:
who will voice ISAC?

spare arrow
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shakira

river apex
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Them hips never lie

spare arrow
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Agent, these hips never lie, rations detected

cold bramble
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One day I noticed ISAC is British

gaunt ice
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Thatā€™d be the AI companion in WD legion

sick lantern
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i didnā€™t even play the game and i hated that twat

gaunt ice
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Heā€™s ok

river apex
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Can y'all imagine if James Earl Jones voiced ISAC?

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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I guess I got used to it

spare arrow
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alright

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peter dinklage as isac

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he gets a mini artificial floating "phantom" circle as his body

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that gives us our shd skills by transmatting them in

gaunt ice
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So you want Cortana

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But a dude

river apex
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Cortana can be ANNA

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CortANNA

spare arrow
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anna is actually just glados

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glannados

gaunt ice
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ISAC is secretly the British ball in portal 2

spare arrow
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ah yes, the critically acclaimed character "british ball"

gaunt ice
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I gotta look that ballā€™s name up one sec

spare arrow
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wheatley

river apex
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wheaties

spare arrow
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weedy

gaunt ice
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Huh ok

cold bramble
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speed weed

sick lantern
# gaunt ice How is it so far

ā€œWeā€™re headed west. Leaving the coast behind to find out how things are in the **heartland.**Your instincts were right: weā€™re trying to fix the supply crisis. And the truth is the only way to do that is to get food shipments running again. Right now, this area has been drained dry, without any relief in sight. Not to mention international shipping and supply drops have been severely affected. But there must be domestic food supplies out there. Why arenā€™t they reaching us? We want to find out.ā€- Division agent Brenda Wells

gaunt ice
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Neat

sick lantern
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faction of evil lorry drivers

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oh my god weaboo division agent

sick lantern
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I think the ending was a bit sudden and short but overall it wasnā€™t bad

sleek plover
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Ladies and Gentleman, I present you...
The Redcoats!
A theoratical div 3 villains made outnof british invaders who wants revenge against the US.

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They are British

ashen jungle
spare arrow
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Nahnahnah. Hunters came FROM the moon

ashen jungle
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i blame me flubbing that line entirely on never having played d1.

sick lantern
cold bramble
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If they have mandem accents, I'm in

untold blaze
cold bramble
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oi thomas, come check out the sunny weather, we can play ball with tim ā›ˆļø

sleek plover
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Damn I hate LMB

untold blaze
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the b in lmb stands for british

sick lantern
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the B in LMB stands for Black bess, greatest rifle of it's time šŸ˜¤ šŸ‡¬šŸ‡§

gaunt ice
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Last Man Bruh

sick lantern
river apex
empty nymph
latent iron
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Never seen em

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probably will given i have both games

sleek plover
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They are tyrants, they must be purged

urban musk
empty nymph
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Iā€™m gonna buy division 1 soon

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Isnā€™t the DZ in that game better than 2?

sleek plover
urban musk
empty nymph
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Idk i just found the DZ in division too hard and boring

tight jacinth
latent iron
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Id imagine so

empty nymph
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Like the guys in there can shoot you twice and you just die

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Where as you need to shoot them like a 1000 times

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Ik itā€™s the same in D1 but like

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Idk it looks different in D2

urban musk
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in the dark zone of course

empty nymph
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Gonna do Black Tusk Capitol Hill soon

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But I canā€™t find good gear to get my power rating up

untold blaze
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I think he means dz level

gaunt ice
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You know,with all these apparel events coming up,it got me thinking

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Can division agents be embedded anywhere at any occupation?

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Like,do we have sleeper agents inside the LMB being activated?

sick lantern
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I think theyā€™re allowed to take up any civilian occupation, even if it could lead to a conflict of interest (ie the firefighter in Div 1ā€™s intro)
if DLC outfits are to be taken as canon then theyā€™re allowed to serve in other federal or military agencies as well

mint citrus
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gets activated while at an apartment building fire that's close to spreading

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"Well, shit."

river apex
mint citrus
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The Agent that's gonna be played by Jessica Chastain is with NASA, iirc

river apex
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the plot thickens

untold blaze
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the clock thickens as the plot tickens

sleek plover
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Urban warfare expert

digital hemlock
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The sewage expert

sleek plover
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Imagine.
The homeless agent still poses as homeless alongside a bunch of civilian squatters who lost their homes.
LMB guys enter in to force the squatters to their concentration camps and threaten them by death.
And this homeless guy reveals his orange watch alongside a customized concealed smg...

gaunt ice
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Except that wonā€™t happen because a gunfight with the LMB at danger close distance with civilians is notā€¦ideal

tepid ibex
hearty spindle
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We still don't know where the hunters originated from?

sick lantern
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we do now sorta

river apex
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We'll see once the third target becomes available soon enough. I think we're being fed some crumbs to satisfy the hunger for more of this lore.

tepid ibex
tiny wraith
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Hunters are ex agents

sleek plover
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Hunters are hunters

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who hunt

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those who are hunted

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by the hunters

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which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are...

tiny wraith
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I see you studied in woodchuck lingo šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

sleek plover
tiny wraith
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@sleek plover how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck woodšŸ˜±šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

sleek plover
tiny wraith
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See you do know woodchuck ologigy

urban musk
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Ok so I've been hearing theories that the hunters are apart of DHS, and I think kelvin McManus talking to Natalia might be the reason why people believe this. Anybody else got theories of their own?

untold blaze
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I also think that

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what's with the hunter in the schaeffer manhunt though

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was he just funny coocoo quirky or was there something to the mask

urban musk
sleek plover
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They are led by King Mcmanus, the grand warlock of Uranusians

urban musk
sleek plover
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I know,but he is still a warlock from uranus

urban musk
sleek plover
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dude he is a warlock. he graduated from uranusian hogwarts

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ok went to far

urban musk
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are we talking about Kevin McManus, or Kelvin McManus?

sleek plover
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seriously speaking, considering how hunters made their debut on div 1's survival mode their masks were probably designed to give a mysterious vibe

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and whatever the lore behind the masks is, it probably would have been created in midst of div 2

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by the msv devs

urban musk
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McManus is DHS right? why is this guy working with a homeland threat? The BTSU is about as fascistic as the True sons, dude these people are traitors.

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don't trust them agents

river apex
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False flag attack, sabotage, making it look like DHS has nothing to do with things despite the facts. Ya know, those things

untold blaze
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mcmanus is an ant queen

urban musk
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but even that's giving him too much credit

sleek plover
glad spruce
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McManus is certainly an enigma. Pretty sure he even has his own agenda

sleek plover
untold blaze
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mcmanus uranus ant queen

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spews out hundreds of hunters an hour

tight jacinth
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do you guys think our div 1 agent will play a role in the future story?

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everytime there is new lore I hope its about him xd

untold blaze
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Im pretty sure your agents aren't canon in the way you think

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theyre a blank slate i think

ashen jungle
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Yep, your Agent could be dead, be a Rogue, be back in D.C. leading their own faction, or even be your div2 Agent if you want.
"grey-canon" is the term.

tight jacinth
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:(

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It's just like everything he built up has fallen. The Base of Operations in Div 1 which made the people feel safe like Haven was just taken by keener (i think so) and all other factions have new leaders and still exist. I need to know what exactly happened there and why my division 1 gameplay brought nothing. I remember Rhodes even saying "they feel safer here (haven) than they ever did in mid town"). Like, are u kidding me? This base was huge and technical advanced. In the end, when it was fully developed, everyone was happy in the base and they were actually safe. They had agents, the JTF and enough resources. Haven is just like a street lodging with 10 non educated people for protection. The development of new york makes no sense for me so I just wanna understand what happened.

sick lantern
frigid glacier
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I mean
We have the destinations
Might as well write the journey ourselves

patent narwhal
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I'm pretty sure the div1 BOO got bombed with eclipse because for whatever reason faye wasn't thinking of keener at all until coney island

sleek plover
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Pneumatic Jet Engine Sledgehammer Specialization

sick lantern
mint citrus
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It was bombed?

untold blaze
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all melee

river apex
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Hunter's hand axe: finally! a worthy opponent!

sick lantern
# mint citrus It was bombed?

I think one of the manhunt sub targets' description says they were responsible for bombing the generators, which is the closest thing to an explanation as to why they left the original BoO IIRC

cold bramble
river apex
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Yeah, it does that to you. Those coked up axes from the depths of Thor's bollocks really hurt. The theory behind this game design is amazing. I wish we had melee weapons like it too or maybe a free lumberjack course where SHD agents can further develop their melee abilities

cold bramble
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I wish Sweet Dreams worked for elites as well

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In fact, make Sweet Dreams aggro everything near you

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You have the challenge of approaching a hunter that will aim at you

untold blaze
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sour dreams

sick lantern
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sour cream and onion

untold blaze
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you can one shot elites but every hostile in 15m will target you and while equipped damage taken is amplified by 75%

river apex
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damage taken is amplified by 75%
Wait, damage you would receive is amped by 75% while "sour dreams" is equipped? That's crunchy šŸ˜‚

untold blaze
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yup

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lol

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a small price to pay for a 1 shot

river apex
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On a different train of thought, you can self-res in Survival if you have a medkit and that one medic skill, right?

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I was really wondering how different Div2 gameplay would be if you could self-res by any other means than the reviver hive. Like a second wind mechanic from BL div2relax

tiny wraith
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@river apex correct as long as you had a med kit no prob ,but if they just keep shooting your body then you'll bleed out to fast too many holesšŸ¤£

plain pine
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I may have missed it. The Dollar Flu target was 90% lethality, but he missed that, what IS our Estimated percentage dead...and are we survivors immune naturally or just very careful? šŸ¤”

gaunt ice
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I guess we were lucky

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Once they figure out the virus spreads from money they probably scratched that

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Or maybe 90% was an overestimate

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And it is possible humans developed natural resistances to the virus

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You know its actually an overlooked aspect of the story

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What happened to the virus later on before the BSAV

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Did it just stops being a threat after the factions were formed?

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Last time we heard of it was outcasts weaponizing it and we shut that down ASAP

surreal sleet
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I think it was implied (or even mentioned) somewhere near the start of the game that the virus had started to die off to an extent (lack of compatible hosts would do that I guess?) So if that's the case I'd assume that means majority of the survivors are immune/have resistance to the virus

The lucky winners of a genetic lottery in a dying world

The Outcasts in that sense, (and Keener), were then working to weaponise/make it lethal again to the current population

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I'd assume they're not immune since otherwise we wouldn't have an issue with contaminated gear etc from the DZ so likely just herd resistances and being careful with contaminated areas etc

gaunt ice
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Div2 dz is not green poison

ashen jungle
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Correct, it's dc-62. Supposed to help with green poison but it rected badly to cold weather.

surreal sleet
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Ah yeah my bad šŸ¤­

river apex
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Can someone confirm if BSAs are quite effective against DC-62?

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I can't recall if those antivirals were meant to be the cure for the Green Poison or DC-62 or none at all

sick lantern
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well it would be quite surprising if an antiviral could cure you of exposure to a chemical agent

river apex
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I wouldn't know, not an expert on chemical or biological agents and what not

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If DC-62 was meant to combat the Green Poison but it went haywire, there's nothing against DC at the moment, no?

hearty spindle
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We still don't know why Fay Lau disavowed the division?

river apex
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We do -- ||to get close to the president and to off him like John Wick.||

hearty spindle
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I mean by why she betrayed the division.

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Or she's basically a double agent?

river apex
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Oh right, maybe we'll find out in two weeks after the last key is decrypted or something.

Maybe she wanted to meet the hunters. Who knows? div2relax

hearty spindle
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Maybe a 3rd raid were we found a hunter stronghold filled with hunters. /j

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I mean if they made a raid were only hunters spawn in, Its gonna be hard.

untold blaze
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I genuinely just want a new missions whether it be a raid or like the other episodes

hearty spindle
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Or maybe a raid to invade Black Tusk HQ (If it exists) and eliminate Natalya Sokolova.

sleek plover
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or maybe invasion of the space hamsters

spare arrow
cursive tapir
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Also, can I just say; I absolutely love that Changā€™s backstory is that heā€™s literally an airsoft mall ninja

sleek plover
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But srsly, a gear set that specializes in fighting hunters would be interesting.
Like it excels in fighting hunters but nothing else

sleek plover
ashen jungle
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totally wasnt about to change your name to "Hamster Hamster Hamster".

sleek plover
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persona 5 moment

river apex
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We already have apparel that undercovers an agent as a hunter, no? What's stopping the imagination from actually developing specific anti-hunter gear or tech, like that one plasma shield from District 9 to defend against the one hit wonder of a hand axe.

sleek plover
river apex
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Well, maybe, but I'm talking about lore-wise or canonically as well.

You'd think that, despite all of their resourcefulness and adaptability, SHD agents haven't really developed much effectiveness against the hunters. The gameplay seems to be "if you find a hunter, run away" or at least it feels that way. I would like to think those folks stationed at the White House are very capable people when it comes to "innovation"

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Or maybe, there's really no stopping the hunters regardless of SHD status or faction association. They are effective killing machines like them T-1000s.

late void
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Seems to me the hunters were explicitly trained & equipped to counter agents (whether by dhs as an 'insurance policy' if too many agents go bad, or by another player such as BT)

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ISAC allowing skills to be hacked in particular suggests a deliberate 'back door' left in his programming

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Arguably though, we have developed a tool to counter hunters: el Scorpio!

river apex
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That's another plot hole that I've wondered myself: how the heck can hunters hack those deployable skills in the first place. Maybe the vulnerability in the codebase wasn't deliberate, but maybe the "bad guys" figured out a way around the spaghetti code. Another reason why you should keep an eye on your jump statements in assembly, folks petter

trim copper
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nop

river apex
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But ultimately, where's the accountability if these psychopathic hunters go haywire? What's above DHS in this case? The thick plottens.

trim copper
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but none of these shd nodes seemed to be protected that well, they just standing there in some random basement, cant be that hard for someone to get access and poke around in the code

sick lantern
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seems like that would take infrastructure we donā€™t have (maybe in the Cores tho šŸ‘€)

trim copper
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thats also presuming hunters dont evolve their tacts/counter countermeasures

sick lantern
gaunt ice
untold blaze
mint citrus
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Chang's out this week?

late void
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yup

river apex
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Man, you can tell that almost everyone has an axe to grind with Schaeffer. Seems like a very likable guy indeed šŸ˜‚

late void
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got the kelso key bug this time, despite no issues the previous two times - guess I have to rerun all three targets :/

cursive tapir
glad spruce
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Is the third decryption key bugged? Cuz I've used it and I didn't get it

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Well... I guess I'm screwed

untold blaze
untold blaze
glad spruce
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I restarted the Manhunt Campaign to get through the bug. And I gotta say, I feel bad for Schaeffer.

He's been dealing a bad hand with his superiors

gentle eagle
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how does our healing ablities work for us but not civs?

ashen jungle
#

Nanomachines, son.

candid schooner
sick lantern
ashen jungle
sleek plover
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McManus=Armstrong confirmed

candid schooner
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I heard it from a Russian badger video

ashen jungle
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Yep, it's a "meme" taken from Metal Gear Rising.
memes and references is most of internet humour these days.

river apex
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My goodness, I couldn't imagine McManus as Armstrong. It just doesn't fit physically petter

spare arrow
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Memes. The DNA of the soul.

river apex
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Yeah, I could imagine McManus more like Monsoon than Armstrong.

sleek plover
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serious the division/clancyverse and mgs crossever when

gaunt ice
untold blaze
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metal gear raid

river apex
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Razorback might as well be a Metal Gear REX for all I care šŸ˜‚

sleek plover
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McManus revealed to be geth

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with shield boost

round sinew
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Felt bad for killing Lt. Chang

unreal trout
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I feel bad everytime I gotta put a Tusk down

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I wanna go rogue and join 'em

round sinew
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A shame this target didn't really give us any new lore

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But it made me like Schaeffer more.

unreal trout
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In General info on a lot of interesting individuals is scarce, personal opinion

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Schaeffer is one of the few people in the BTSU you actually get to know a little through all the Echoes, Recordings and character interactions

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Which sorta makes sense as he was the face of the BTSU for a long time

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And unless I missed anything, ||he's still just critically injured and not dead||

median crag
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According to the revival system

The only ones who truly die are the Outcasts, Cleaners, Rikers, and Rogues

Everyone else is just critically injured

river apex
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I knew it, hunters are completely invincible div2relax

round sinew
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Which is why they had to clarify Schaeffer wasn't dead.

median crag
median crag
round sinew
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He's in custody

median crag
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Interesting

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Wish we could visit him so he could trash talk our agent

round sinew
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It is because he's the only character to survive a gunfight in the series.

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Like named enemy I mean

median crag
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What a hardcore mfer

river apex
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Season 10: ||hunters break him out of prison||

round sinew
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Well, Hornet lived, too. But I refuse to count him

round sinew
median crag
sleek plover
tepid ibex
# round sinew Felt bad for killing Lt. Chang

Seemed like a guy who was genuinely just doing his job. No dark past or history. Takeaway is his description is saying that General Anderson was the one leading the National Guard. Otherwise he wouldn't have been informed of him and "impressed by his initiative."

ashen jungle
sleek plover
unreal trout
# sleek plover They are fascists.

And in a game I should care why? I am also 100% Team Empire in Star Wars, as long as my real world country remains the peaceful democracy it is I will defend with all my heart, my fantasy universe affiliation can be as fascist and brutal as it wants.

unreal trout
median crag
ashen jungle
unreal trout
spare arrow
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And now there are two of them

unreal trout
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Not really, I am joking

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As evident by the smiley face

round sinew
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I like the empire because aesthetic

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LMB had the same aesthetic

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Black Tusk doesn't get it though

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God, I hate General Anderson so much for making me keep playing this game.

frigid glacier
#

Whenā€™s the General Anderson assassination mission

bronze pawn
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Whatā€™s a man gotta do to join black tusk or the hunters? They look so cool

unreal trout
hearty spindle
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I know this is the least talked character, but what happened to Doctor Jessica Kandel?

sick lantern
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iirc She went to Ann Arbor, Michigan, to work on a cure

ashen jungle
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^ rumoured to now be working for BT, likely against her will.

hearty spindle
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Ah

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So that's why she's absent in WONY.

ashen jungle
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I personally think she was going to be the focus of a 2nd Expansion, but it never really happened so maybe she'll play a part in Heartland instead.

hearty spindle
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Is the second expansion gonna be about Natalya Sokolova?

ashen jungle
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As of right now, there is no 2nd Expansion, and likely never will be, since MSV are working on 2 other major projects, as well as future div2 updates.
Sokolova is definitely going to be the focus of a Manhunt at one point, there's like a 70% chance.

hearty spindle
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Not only the Black Tusk invaded DC, but there's presences in NY to.

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I think they invaded the entire country?

ashen jungle
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I'm assuming they go where they need to for whatever their major plan is.

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It's unlikely that they have enough people to take over every major area in the US.

hearty spindle
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Y'know, it'll be nice to revisit midtown Manhattan in the division 2, I wish they could expand the NY map.

sick lantern
# hearty spindle I think they invaded the entire country?

ā€œReports coming into Division headquarters suggest that under cover of the Green Poison pandemicā€™s spreading disruption, Black Tusk operations have already secured key strategic locations around the country: military bases, power grid and utilities infrastructure, media-communications hubs, internet server farms, certain financial institutions and so on.ā€- The World of The Division

hearty spindle
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Ah, Alright.

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Is Faye Lau a double agent? Like she worked with the black tusk but killed by us, and when Kelso opened the laptop she found in the Camp White Oak office, Faye's status is back to normal.

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Sorry if I question alot, Its just that the story is a bit interesting..

river apex
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I don't think we know her true motives yet, at least I don't. If we do, then we could probably determine whether or not she was a double agent pulling off a Sam Fisher in Double Agent.

hearty spindle
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I guess we gotta wait till the 4th manhunt target.

gaunt ice
hearty spindle
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Rules of Engagement?

gaunt ice
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Ye

river apex
#

But what happens after it?

gaunt ice
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They wanted to capture Ellis,Lau wanted to kill Ellis

gaunt ice
hearty spindle
gaunt ice
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Although her death wasnā€™t necessary

gaunt ice
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Because she knows the Division wonā€™t take her in alive

river apex
gaunt ice
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So a traitorous president needs to be captured but a rogue agent doing good deeds is a shoot to kill

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Hypocrite but yea

river apex
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She coulda been ||the one who takes over the rogue cell after Keener, I think||

gaunt ice
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I think the rogue cell is autonomous

river apex
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Autonomy aside, there would be a focal point or a leader to represent the group in general.

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But if it's every man or woman for themselves, then I suppose it's a different story

gaunt ice
gaunt ice
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If they can coordinate well then a manhunt would have like 30+ rogues there

hearty spindle
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I don't think the true son manhunt counts as rogue agents, but true sons were JTF Soldiers.

gaunt ice
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They dont count as rogue yea

hearty spindle
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But they're Ex-JFT?

gaunt ice
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Rogue usually refers to agents who have disavowed the Division

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You can say that true sons are JTF gone rogue but normally people just identify Rogue as in Rogue Agents

sick lantern
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they are ā€œrogueā€ in the sense that they are traitors but they arenā€™t ā€œrogueā€ by the definition of a ā€œrogue division agentā€

gaunt ice
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^

hearty spindle
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Ah

untold blaze
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are legendary missions canon?

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did 4 division agents manage to destroy an entire platoon of advanced soldiers and 2 experimental drones?

heavy surge
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I mean, compared to most else of what happens in gameplay, that doesnā€™t sound like the most outlandish thing taking place ā€¦ šŸ¤·

untold blaze
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still outlandish

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imagine 4 people with toy drones and guns they took from people up against navy seals and darpa drones

sleek plover
spare arrow
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oh god

heavy surge
sleek plover
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Bless us with your radiant freedom! Let all blasphemers perish in thy cleansing flames!

unreal trout
# untold blaze still outlandish

Everything that happens in Division is Outlandish. Do yo honestly believe in a world where everyone fends for themselves a few sleeper agents would be able to restore order and march through 4 strongholds of massive enemy factions in groups of 4? Yeah no dude

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All it'd take in real life is one stray bullet to already hinder the squad, a few more to definitely incapacitate etc.

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Sure you could argue the Hyenas and Outcasts are just a ragtag group of civvies who picked up arms, but the LMB, BTSU and True Sons have actual structure, training and discipline

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There is no way that'd work out well. Just remember anytime you are downed or killed, that'd be it for a real person. The luxury of "whoops, didn"t happen, RESPAWN!" is sth we only get in games

sick lantern
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highly trained agents with highly advanced portable tech and the best weapons and armour available, access to medical nanotechnology and essentially a sixth sense with ISAC and motion trackers, going up against insurgents in catastrophe scenarios they specifically trained for, Iā€™d say they have good enough odds

unreal trout
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I'd hardly call the BTSU insurgents. And all that technology doesn't make you invincible still. Like the Helmet cam Video shows as well.

river apex
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Canonically speaking, it should have been impossible or very unlikely for a rag tag team of 4 SHD agents to defeat waves and hordes of BT reinforcements who parked their way at the Capitol.

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At least that's how I feel after getting wiped in the first 2 minutes on legendary by myself šŸ˜‚

sick lantern
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because a numerically inferior force has never put up a fight against a larger force

unreal trout
#

That's not the point. Numbers alone are never the point. It's how it's conveyed.

Take the Roosevelt Island stronghold. That is a believable scenario if you discount the fact that apparently the outcasts are deaf.

Believable because they are generally unaware and the Agents shoot from behind cover at unsuspecting enemies.

river apex
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Oh wait, what am I saying? You guys remember that one WONY trailer where a lone SHD agent plants a seeker mine and gunfights against what looked like a group of rogues?

unreal trout
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Most BTSU scenarios aren't like that

river apex
unreal trout
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Coincidentally I have a Sam Fischer style attempted outfit with an F2000 x'D

But that's beside the point. The point here is, that in order to make the game fun, of course the world is built around the player having a chance. It's essentially Sci-Fi. Fi. Fiction. A fantasy. It's meant to be unrealistic. Like any other fictional media, it has protagonists that in order to convey a followable story need to be strong.

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This is painfully evident by the fact you can theoretically mag dump any Div 2 enemy without them dying if a supportstation is nearby.

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Repeatedly.

river apex
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I've always thought Div2 is good arcade fun, nothing more and nothing less.

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Mag dump on a chungus all day, every day.

unreal trout
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Just as if we bothered to count, our agents have taken millions of bullets and are still alive and kicking.

That's why if looking at extended Lore and the Canon, I would never apply "This seems impossible" to the equation because the conclusion would almost always be the same:

Because it probably is. But it wouldn't be fun if it were different.

river apex
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tbf, I only provided the benefit of doubt because there is strength in numbers. If 4 SHD agents went toe to toe against 100 BT soldiers or hounds, odds would be stacked against the agents from a perspective.

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But, SHD agents are meant to have that top tier, god like training that we know and love, so 100 enemies shouldn't be a problem for highly skilled and trained agents on the field. I completely understand that.

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Buuuut I'm gonna throw a wrench in this thought. What about 4 SHD agents vs 100 hunters? div2relax

unreal trout
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Not all SHD agents are combat trained though

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That's the thing

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There is no "Extensive Combat training" within the Division programm

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Most Combatants of the SHD network have Military or Law Enforcement Backgrounds

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The training extends mostly to autonumous operation and catastrophy help as well as SHD tech instructions

river apex
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Plus civs if you count them too

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Hmm, BT also recruited many civvies to their cause, no?

unreal trout
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BTSU mainly recruited ex-Mil, as per their bio

river apex
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No doubt

unreal trout
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Rangers, Regulars, SeALs etc.

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The recruitment prorgam in Manning National was after the devestating blows the Division dealt

river apex
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I thought there was a recording of talks about BT looking for more civs to recruit, but I'm probably recalling incorrectly.

unreal trout
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No no, those talks exist

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But they are canonically set in a time where we already cleaned up a lot

river apex
unreal trout
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Generally speaking, it's safe to say the Player agents are built different. Just think Espinoza, Odessa Sawyer and Federal Emergency Bunker

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FEB especially. Outcasts took out an entire Unit of agents, and you just run through and wipe them out

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And Maya Walsh is a prime example of a non combatant agent

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No gear, no real weapons, and she runs for shelter when the fight starts

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Yet still wears a watch

river apex
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She has an invisible deflector drone

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Totes obvious

unreal trout
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Well she is never in danger during that fight

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She enters that room before a shot is fired

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Immersion is one of the many reasons I like my one shot sniper build. At least it feels like you could kill that many people in such short time

sick lantern
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which she shouldnā€™t because those are for technical applications and ISAC integration for front line agents not for rear echelon support

sick lantern
unreal trout
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It could very well be that her technical applications required ISAC interfacing. Depending what type of support role she performed.

sick lantern
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Iā€™m sure she could do that from a PDA or laptop rather than a full on bells and whistles watch

unreal trout
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Well, if she had Agent status, she would get a watch. The Watch is standard Agent equipment, needed for Activation

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Unless she always worked within the SHD as a tech support, she'd need one to get her call

sick lantern
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she doesnā€™t need augmented reality or a chemical detector she literally is tech support

hearty spindle
#

Was there any surviving First Wave Agents that are not rogue?

untold blaze
unreal trout
sick lantern
unreal trout
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The writers make the rules, we do not. It might have very well been intentional, we can't know. After all her backstory isn't exactly fully fleshed out

sick lantern
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a division watch is a valuable piece of technology and important indicator of identity that someone who doesnā€™t work in the field wouldnā€™t need, and thereā€™s no precedent in the lore for anyone but a field agent to have one
From Recruited: ā€œWhat sort of people kept a Division Core functioning? To judge by the bodies littering the ground, the answer was office workers. Khakis and button-ups, ties and loafers, all stained red with blood... There were cubicles that wouldnā€™t have been out of place in any pre-Poison commercial building in the United States. Marked-up printed maps, the only hint of the nature of their work, covered the walls.ā€ No mention of watches

unreal trout
#

Well, if you want a lore friendly reason for her having one, she might have taken one from a dying or dead agent as a promise.

Or she was no such worker.

Like I said, we know close to nothing about her.

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Whichever the case, her model has one, reasons up for speculation.

gentle eagle
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Bro the parameters for going rogue is so low

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Like you anything that isac thinks is ā€œoff missionā€ youā€™re screwed

ashen jungle
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The criteria for "going Rogue" are a bit vague, but there seems to be a certain amount of leeway in how long it takes to actually stick.
Like, if you do something off-mission that's not too bad, you're fine if you correct it.

but if you stick with the action, you're pure Rogue.

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That's my explanation for how the DZ works.

unreal trout
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Going Rogue isn't exactly consistent either in game, which is a gameplay decision. If you are a Rogue main in the DZ and killed hundreds of other agents, you can still go back to the BOO and Manny will go "Welcome Back Sheriff!"

sick lantern
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communications in and out of the dark zones are blocked, so you can get away with being rogue

unreal trout
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And ISAC will just forget everything it recorded? Unlikely

sick lantern
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yes because it's disconnected from the wider network and you disrupt it in some way to to toggle rogue
the dark zones as a whole being blocked from communications doesn't make sense, but you interfere with ISAC so it doesn't screw you over once you leave

sick lantern
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Lieutenant Chang looks kinda badass, that is all

hearty spindle
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So, Is there good first wave agents that are alive or they're dead or MIA like the rest.

river apex
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I'd think the good ones were killed by probably the ones who went rogue. div2relax

hearty spindle
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Damn..

trim yarrow
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Aaron keener went rogue because he got left behind and betrayed by the division that is what I know

late void
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iirc, they basically had a choice of 'stay and get overwhelmed after the jtf pulled out' or 'go rogue', so presumably the ones who didn't go rogue are dead

trim yarrow
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Basically

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Even tho Aaron keener was crazy he does make good points

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All rogue agents went rogue because they had no choice too and instead of the division working with them and understanding of why they did it all rogues are to be treated as hostiles

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I mean rogue agents make bad decisions but ultimately they want what everyone wants that is some type of family and working together to build a better world

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Same goes for the BTSU Which I really wish instead of being a division agent I think as a dlc we could choose our path join the True Sons or join the Black Tusk or go rogue or be a hunter

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It would be so so so cool to be apart of those and see what they go thru in their point of view

sick lantern
unreal trout
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Well, they WERE abandoned and left to fight for themselves and not accepted back into the Div once they were out of the predicament they had to go rogue to get out of for

trim yarrow
# sick lantern bad decisions like, acting victimised when they're not, and screwing people over...

To be fair they had to do what they had to do to survive that's why most of the first wave agents turned into hunters hunters a known as survivalists they know how to stalk they know how to work alone and in a team they are extremely organized and well thought out because they had to survive for a long time and rogue agents all they had aswell was themselves but then others went rogue and they found each other they are victims of betrayal because the division didn't want them back even tho they went thru hell and back

sick lantern
# unreal trout Well, they WERE abandoned and left to fight for themselves and not accepted back...

the dark zone as a whole was a failure, there was no malicious intent when they were left behind, the JTF just could not spare the manpower to help them, and as the elite trained and equipped autonomous operatives around, they inherently drew the short stick
and "not accepted back into the division" they never tried. Keener got left behind and never looked back, just went on his own path and started killing agents who had done nothing but disagree with him

sick lantern
trim yarrow
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Some are and some aren't

sick lantern
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Since when

trim yarrow
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Ones I seen has red watches them again it might had been because the lighting

sick lantern
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because they killed a rogue agent and took it, killing agents and taking their watches is kind of their whole thing

trim yarrow
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But in any way shape or form I said similar they all were first wave

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Hunter still have the Phoenix patch I believe well all of rogues and hunters do but some are ripped off

sick lantern
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Have you been keeping up with the new manhunt?

trim yarrow
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With the true sons

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Yes I have more about Faye Lau and why she did what she did

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But why are we talking about the new manhunt I wasn't trying to anger people i was putting in my opinion that rogues and stuff should be giving second chances that's all plus I love hunters and rogues and I definitely love the BTSU they are my favorite kind of people

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Wasn't trying to cause a depate between opinions on who's right or if anyone has been keeping up with the manhunt

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That's all no hard feelings man

unreal trout
sick lantern
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We like to call that a "retcon" or "poor writing"

unreal trout
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How is that poor writing?

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Quite the contrary, that makes it all the more compelling of a story

sick lantern
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because if they were declared rogue based on a technical interpretation of something that was out of their control, that's stupid

unreal trout
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That's how it's established the system works though

sick lantern
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and again see above, retcon

unreal trout
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If you cross the line programmed within the system parametres and take action that is deemed to be "not the mission", you are declared rogue in universe

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It's been depicted time and time again that the system of ISAC is not perfect

sick lantern
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because again, poor writing
sEaRcHinG fOR waY OuT oF tHe vAuLt

unreal trout
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That is a joke they made I wouldn't consider writing

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And if you go into the Lore, it's not that far fetched the system makes faulty decisions

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If you want to nitpick things like that, why was the transmission in Jefferson Trade Centre marked "Hostile Communications" even though it came through Espinozas wristwatch?

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That's nothing worth expanding on really

sick lantern
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so if the system is known to be faulty and fallible, why not just return to HQ and clear up the miscommunication

unreal trout
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Because once declared rogue, an enemy agent using snipers could just shoot you as fair game

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Keener is not the one I'm talking about specifically here by the way

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He went rogue and decided to go down a path of revenge on the spot

sick lantern
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just go to the first JTF patrol you see, put your hands up and let them walk you back to base

trim yarrow
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It's not the simple

unreal trout
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You can see how well that works with Theo Parnell though. It's an apocalypse wasteland

sick lantern
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it actually is that simple

unreal trout
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You're essentially at the mercy of whoever you come across

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If they don't accept your surrender, you wasted your life

unreal trout
sick lantern
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especially a Division agent who they've been encouraged to work with, they would execute them on the spot and not investigate or anything

trim yarrow
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If your deemed as rogue for whatever reason your fair game to the jtf and division and even if you call them hey it's been a miscommunication kelso says during warlords don't trust a thing they say

unreal trout
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You mean the same JTF who had people leave and join the True Sons just as any other faction had defectors?

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You are applying to much baseline logic to a state directly after the outbreak

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This isn't DC 7 months later with somewhat stable institutions

trim yarrow
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Everyone had to survive some way and some how

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Rogue or not either or fair game

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No saying to HQ I didn't go rogue or it's a miscommunication during that time if you were seen with red watch dead

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Or shot on sight

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And still is today your seen with red watch or anything shot on sight

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They try to tell your player don't listen to the division because the Division is feeding you lies like how kelso says don't listen to keener or Parnell or anyone because they are trying to get a reaction

sick lantern
unreal trout
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Perhaps. I'm not saying all rogue agents are saints anyway. It's just far more likely a few feared to turn themselves in. They probably also weren't scared of the JTF, but more likely other agents who know what a red wristwatch entails

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In General, from the Conversations we here in comms and Echoes, there are a LOT of rogue agents who are not exactly nice people

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But I just wouldn't say not a single rogue agent ever tried to come back

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We just don't know of any successful attempts yet, which is not bad writing

sick lantern
unreal trout
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Who thinks they're victimised? Some of them might be, most of them probably are not

trim yarrow
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But to be fair all I'm gonna say BTSU all the way I would love to officially be one of them lol

unreal trout
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it's as manny says about the outcasts. "What happened to them was horrible, but what they did was even worse."

sleek plover
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TBH I would definitely go rogue not because I would join hostile factions, but just to go "to far" against LMB, True Sons and Black Tusks.

sleek plover
ashen jungle
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Tone down the RP a little, not everyone is as into it as you are.

unreal trout
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Not sure he's RPing tbh

ashen jungle
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It is, I've known him for a while now.
just ignore them, they tone down before too long.

mint citrus
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The next target before Lewis drops in a week!

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I'm surprised by how varied their personalities have been this season

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Chang, I kinda felt bad for

trim yarrow
sleek plover
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I mean Ive declared my hatred and the reason behind here multiple times but at this point ive reached rivens annoyance threshold so i need to lay low

unreal trout
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It would be a political debate.

trim yarrow
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Interesting ok well you can hate and I can love who I'm apart of so ye

sleek plover
unreal trout
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It is if the server has rules against it. It isn't in DMs or servers dedicated to it

sleek plover
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I mean my hatred of the factions are genuine beyond my so called "rp" shenanigans, but I dont want to go "too" far by actually causing a political mudshow

ashen jungle
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You're welcome to chat about anything you like over in DM's, but since this Server is for everyone, we like to keep the main page clean.

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and I appreciate the consideration.

sleek plover
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so...dms anyone?

trim yarrow
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I never have limits jk I do

unreal trout
round sinew
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Nah f**k them rioters

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Dumb civvies with baseball bats rushing feds

untold blaze
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why you dissing Alex man?

sleek plover
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Rioters imo are my fav because they literally have no ideology

median crag
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I like reading/hearing reasons as to why people would 'go rogue' and honestly some make me chuckle

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Like one of my online friends, who is a cop online said 'if I were an agent, I'd probably go rogue' when asked why, he just said "cause, others wouldn't contribute anything, and insert my name here if you were one too, it'd be on sight" then he proceeds to laugh

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Then there's also the thought of the power the different factions have. Hyenas have numbers , the JTF have firepower and training, Outcasts are very determined and matyr-esque, and then Black Tusk has numbers, firepower, training, and tech. If this were a real scenario, the Division'd be cut down, really quick

river apex
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The most innate reason why I would go rogue is simply because I wouldn't want to follow any rules in a desolate world at all. It's so simple, yet it bears a really heavy price.

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I wouldn't want to work with anyone who doesn't contribute anything to the wellbeing of everyone or all. If that's the case, then I would do things myself for my greater good regardless of everyone else.

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That would be my mentality as an agent who's about to go rogue or is thinking about it.

median crag
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At least your reasoning is sound, I can respect that

Other than just 'cause'

river apex
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Mmm, I'd argue that everyone and every group has a "cause" since they're still alive and fighting for something despite how concrete or abstract it is.

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Well, the dead ones too. They died for what they believed in and that would be sufficient enough for their personal causes.

median crag
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I mean cause like 'just cause' not like, the whole reasoning the division was founded

river apex
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Ah, yeah ok, I get you.

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I like to use the word "purpose" instead of the phrase "just cause" because the latter is skewed and bent subjectively imo.

median crag
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I understand

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Even the faction's causes are different in their own way

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Hyena's see no tomorrow, so they party and try to get by in case they don't make it until sundown or sunrise

True Sons want the whole city to them selves, lead with an iron fist that prevents people from doing what they want without strict supervision and whatnot

Outcasts are matyrs and see no issue in killing themselves to bring the city to ruin to get back at those who had wrongly imprisoned them

Black Tusk is hired military, but they want dismantlement of all major players on the field, except them. So they can lead with a similar grip to the True Sons

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Really weird when the political ideology of the factions in game is thought of, gets really deep

river apex
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Black Tusk must be the archetype for every and any group that wants to stamp the world of their presence.

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Smash everyone else, rule the world with an iron doggo.

median crag
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Yeah, at least the mascot would be something cool, (the iron doggo)

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But if we correlate the one audio log from BT, they should have been working with the Division. So I guess a necessary evil to create the desired good?

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I dunno, this is all tired speculation, I'm going to pass out now

river apex
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Well, if BT would plan to work with the Division, it would only be a matter of time before BT betrays the Division to gain their ulterior motives.

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Speaking of iron doggos, I noticed that all computers at Tidal Basin have wallpapers or schematics of warhounds on the screen, and I feel like BT has a "hound worship" syndrome šŸ˜‚

unreal trout
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In New York, the BT frequently have small conversations and animations. One of them is repairing a Warhound, where the guy repairing it clearly speaks affectionate towards it. So not so far fetched.

gaunt ice
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Rioters are bad but lethal force might just be too much tbh

gaunt ice
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Realistically black tusk shouldā€™ve won

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But we sent in our lord and savior jesus christ the Sheriff in and they soloed everything

unreal trout
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Agreed.

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Well, again, it has to be an enjoyable game

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And a lot of people wouldn't enjoy the ending "Yeah you fought valiantly, but everyone's dead now, lmao"

gaunt ice
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I like the divide and conquer missions

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But realistically every missions that has BT shouldā€™ve been a 4 man op

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4 man teams can actually do those things

unreal trout
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Even then there would be no realistic chance. A four man Squad would not have taken out BT strongholds

gaunt ice
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Thatā€™s true

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DUA is believable tbh

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Roosevelt was a surprise raid

unreal trout
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People then always come in and say "But the agents are expertly trained and the best of the best." But uh... SeALs, Rangers, KSM, KSK etc. are not?..

gaunt ice
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No word for capitol tho

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BT capitol attack is straight BS

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How did we retake that

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Its not destiny where you can say ā€œyea we have space magicā€

unreal trout
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Or Tidal Basin

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Multiple Hovercraft, reinforced Strongholds etc.

gaunt ice
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Tidal is still surprisingly believable tbh

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We got support and all

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Also Wyvern was cocky

unreal trout
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Support by rag tag civs

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Which, when Playing Camp White Oak, get bloody annihilated and toyed with

gaunt ice
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Gameplay problem smh

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Massive would die before giving the jtf tactical gear

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Also iā€™d argue they are more guerrilla than civvie

unreal trout
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That would make it even worse to me personally, as Ex-Mil should have experience with Guerillas

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Not to mention three unarmored, chest rig carrying DC civs can take down a BT tank

gaunt ice
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The jtf is severely underpowered

unreal trout
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The plot armour is strong with these ones....

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Meanwhile die to one shot in Public Executions lmfao

gaunt ice
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Or maybe massive just forgot the armor for themšŸ’€

unreal trout
gaunt ice
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Also black tusk tank is weaker than you think

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Clunky armor and gear makes them immobile

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That helmet is gonna be hard to see

unreal trout
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Canonically they're supposed to be the toughest and healthiest dudes in the BT. They carry around a minigun. Literally all they'd have to do was turn Minigun-Warhound and spin to win holding down their trigger

gaunt ice
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That minigun is 50kg minimum

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Also healing stations,backup rounds

unreal trout
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Plus once they've acquired target, said target should be dead, no matter how agile they are. You're not gonna win against 250 bullets flying at you

gaunt ice
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Without a fireteam they are very vulnerable

gaunt ice
unreal trout
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Yeah well, I'd accept that if the three dudes wouldn't spawn in his face

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And just attack from the front

gaunt ice
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AI limitations šŸ’€

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But like,it is easier to beat a chunga than a normal grunt

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Those guys would have to be The Rock on steroids to be the strong

unreal trout
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Against the Reinforced armour? You'd have to hit a genuine weakspot. And those beefy bois aren't gonna go down due to one bullet to their calf

gaunt ice
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True

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But there are weakpoints

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Healing station and ammo chain are starter points

unreal trout
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Well, like I said, canonically they are. They have to undergo regular checkups to see if they're still fit enough for..... hehe... Heavy Duty.

gaunt ice
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The small gap between plates would be

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Smoking/gassing them would choke them due to the face mask being dumb af

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Using a flamethrower on him is just boiling someone alive inside an iron coffin

unreal trout
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Well, I'll give you they're useless as a lone wolf

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Which isn't their role at all even, they're not supposed to be alone

gaunt ice
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Thatā€™s why they should be team players

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I always assume that his fireteam is KIA and heā€™s holding for backup or something

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Also black tusk snipers are terrible at their job smh

unreal trout
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Could work. Then I'd ask myself how strong was the force attacking the BT squad, cuz if that'd still be the three civs, I'd call BS

gaunt ice
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They are good aim and know how to keep distance

gaunt ice
unreal trout
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Dude, WHEN the Elite get a shot off, you're toast. At least as a glass cannon

gaunt ice
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Idk im trying as hard as i can to make it sound logical

unreal trout
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Just like with the BMG-Warhounds

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Yeah I get you, it's just silly in my mind, generally

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That being said, I never join world event fights against BT unless I have no choice

gaunt ice
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I mean setting up ambushes in buildings and all is what a sniper should do

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Not out in the open

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Its an engine limitation thing i get it

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But logically they should be hiding and scouting

unreal trout
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Well, to be fair, in Div2 you're never at sniper ranges, it's why they all carry DMRs

gaunt ice
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Dmrs have decent range too

unreal trout
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Agents use a .50 to quickscope at under 30 metres x'D

gaunt ice
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Pro gamer

unreal trout
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Yeah of course, but honestly I think there's another reason

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Because if you'd canonically set up sniper teams to do what Heads and Tails do in CWO, there'd be... no one left essentially

gaunt ice
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I mean patrols is still a thing

unreal trout
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There are SO many spots in DC and NY alike where a well placed sniper squad could just take out our Agent with the snap of a finger

gaunt ice
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But sniper nests should be a thing too

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Imagine how many convoys they could intercept with that

late void
gaunt ice
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Cheesy

unreal trout
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It might honestly come down to gameplay choices. I think a sniper nest would pose difficult to anyone not running a sniper build themselves if it's set up very jaded

gaunt ice
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But it would make the street dangerous

unreal trout
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I've seen people here complain about FEB already with the enemy placement above with hard to reach windows, lol

unreal trout
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As in, if you want a compelling and enjoyable story for a player, you can't really pull the "Haha nice effort, you all dead now"-card

late void
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literally any story where a lone hero takes on large numbers of reasonably well-organised enemies

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unless they give you some ingame reason why it wouldn't work (eg, isac gives you a heads up on the sniper nest before they spot you)

unreal trout
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I think anytime you first try Legendary reflects really well how it should go if you try to pull an OP like that x'D

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Well, with in-game reasons you soon run into the "Ex-Machina Problem"

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Take hunters for example, they jam your stuff, throw a stun grenade, and if you don't have an ultra beef tank build one salvo is enough to shred you

late void
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for examples in Hollywood, see the evil overlord list - games just suffer from the same issue (and books, tbf)

unreal trout
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Generally it's not really an issue, it's only one if you sympathise more with the faction you're supposed to take out (for games). Take Star Wars, as a small sidetrack, there's no way the Empire should have lost, and that's even WITH a superpower canonically available to some people

gaunt ice
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The bad guys in star war lost because that one dude has aimbot

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Also the empire not investing in eyecare for stormtroopers lol

mint citrus
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The Iron Horse raid was...

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Absolutely badass

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I liked fighting the train

untold blaze
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honestly i love the bit with the snipers

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I like it when there's a priority over killing enemies

plain pine
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Pardon me but it occurred to me.

Are we not having children in game? Isn't it a good idea to try to increase birth ratios for the sake of immunity and for the sake of dwindling work force futures...

I forget how long it's been since the flu to now

sick lantern
plain pine
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I was sitting there after the third key played it just occurred to me we..are on a ticking clock Species wise.

sick lantern
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Personally I think you've gotta be a bit crazy to have kids in the apocalypse.

plain pine
plain pine
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Typically in these set ups we don't make it past step three

unreal trout
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The Theatre and Campus settlements have children roaming around from before. I kinda doubt couples will stop to get lovey dovey and still produce one or the other little fellah jumpin' about

plain pine
trim yarrow
tepid ibex
trim yarrow
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I'm saying it's better that way cuz you don't have to deal with those issues which just suck you know

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Like having families and stuff during that time is just rough

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I personally like black tusk I mean it is what it is

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Sorry if it sounded wrong didn't mean to make it that way

tepid ibex
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Mate I pretend to be in the LMB, I'm messing. I'm sure whatever Black Tusk does for civs is more than what the LMB did. But then again, I haven't encountered any areas that BT are protecting people at...

trim yarrow
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I even have a outfit for my character for black tusk and good to see that you pretend to be in LMB

unreal trout
tepid ibex
trim yarrow
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Yep so black tusk aren't bad people

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I mean hell black tusk higher up tried stopping wyvern from blowing up the white house

cold bramble
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man that's so cool, i gotta pay more attention to the details ingame, back in Division 1 i only remember no matter the faction, they always killed a civilian they saw

unreal trout
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There are multiple encounters that can happen, like Hyenas and Underground looting dead bodies and such. Then there is the "Threatening Civilians" encounter. The outcasts usually threaten and toy, the Hyenas demand supplies and so on. Once done with this, they just kill the civ.

trim yarrow
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Black tusk are more worried about their business then civs business

unreal trout
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Well, they still do PubExecs

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so y'know.. not always xD

trim yarrow
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Yea not always but if you catch them on good days

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But Frank "Voidwalker" Solomon is different since he's heavy weapons and well doesn't patrol often it's like of you see him in a group run because he ain't there to make friends you know

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And frank is my roleplay character that art of war helped out with to those who don't know

cold bramble
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roleplay, uwu

unreal trout
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Div 2 does give the chances for it

cold bramble
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I always used to pretend that i was a "rogue LMB soldier" everytime i put on white clothes with a LMB helmet that you could only get from the cosmetic store...

unreal trout
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It is kinda funny you can full on dress up as enemy factions

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QUICK, SHOOT THE TRUE SO-... Agent?....

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Especially tickles me in cutscenes with Manny

trim yarrow
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The street appeal event got delays for 4 weeks

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That what it says in game

gaunt ice
unreal trout
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While yes, that's what the ISAC HUD marker says when you see it

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So they know what to look for when trying to find such an event

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Oh yeah, it's always an Assault and a Rusher doing it

gaunt ice
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Its safer that way for their unit tbh

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Because those guys specializes in close to mid range combat

unreal trout
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absolutely

gaunt ice
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If the person being frisked tries something funny,boom

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Iā€™d imagine thatā€™s what happens during the civvies execution event with the BT

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Though theyā€™d take prisoners

trim yarrow
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BTSU are definitely my favorite and glad I'm with them

gaunt ice
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At least they should

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They are a highly trained pmc after all

trim yarrow
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Mhm

unreal trout
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They do, just like the True Sons have in the American History Museum

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Though not there, it seems the BT established a Lazarette there instead

sleek plover
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I said this so many times before in this chat, but i would rather build a French-revolution themed faction made out of rioters. And they will worship the concept of freedom like a god.

gaunt ice
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and we'll mow them down like moths to the flame

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they're rioters

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they stop being a problem after we left Brooklyn lmao

unreal trout
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The innate issue I see with that is the concept of freedom usually is different to various groups of people.

glad spruce
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Is Target 4 up yet?

late void
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nope, not until next week

daring pendant
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Did LMB turn into true sons or BT? If they did survive/migrate?

trim yarrow
daring pendant
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unrelated but nice pfp

spare arrow
trim yarrow
untold blaze
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what did the lmb classes do again i forgot

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the assault was the cannon fodder that I remember, the gunner kneeled and unleashed a volley of fire, the tank had a shield which he shot with his pistol? and sometimes sent down on his knee with a lmg to do a slightly worse job than the gunner I think.... what else was there

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I just remember thinking the gunner was so badass

sick lantern
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scouts with rifles, saigas and shock grenades
snipers with smgs, claymores and shock mines,
the only enemy medics in the game with medkits and health stations
grenadiers with multi shot grenade launchers

sand mesa
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IDK if i shoud ask here or not but does DIV 2 ps4 disk supported by PS5 and playable on 2K and 120 frame?

sick lantern
sand mesa
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It says extended so i came šŸ˜…

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Ok no preblemodiv2thumbsup

unreal trout
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As are some white Tusk

untold blaze
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when will white tusk actually be mentioned in lore

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from what I know they're just legendary enemies and nothing else

sick lantern
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the existence of legendary enemies in div is pretty dubious canon/non-canon

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always has been

mint citrus
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Some LMB even joined the JTF

ashen jungle
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I like to think that they all went to Castle.

hearty spindle
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So, Operation Dark Winter is a real thing?

river apex
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Yeah, and so is Directive 51 iirc

hearty spindle
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I didn't know its a real thing till now. šŸ˜…

rugged pollen
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I found a whole PDF about it online haha

sleek plover
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So we gonna have seasons 10 and 11

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finally, alien invasion!

untold blaze
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independence day cameo

sleek plover
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Yeah, Mcmanus is controlled by the aliens

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from uranus

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and planet mianus

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Its a galactic federation called the Ancient Nebula Administration League

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and mcmanus is a Uranusian spy from that league disguising as human

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and also it is revealed that Gordon amhearst is actually alive and revealed to be a Mianusian agent from the ancient nebula administration league

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and in the final season of div 2, the agents have to destroy the league's superweapon called the Annhiliative Static Shockwave cannon

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and division 3 will be a alien war in space

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hehehe

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Crude subject aside, this is my best joke yet.

obtuse lodge
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if it's come to that, I'm gonna leave this franchise. lmao

sleek plover
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šŸ¤£

river apex
untold blaze
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division 4 rebuilding civilization

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itll be a card game that not a soul buys

raw yew
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Natalya sokolovaā€¦ Does she own black tusk or is it the black tusk commanding officer is the ceo?

sick lantern
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iirc she's the CEO of Sokolov Concern or her father is and she and a council of unknown others are the presumed leaders of the Black Tusk

ashen jungle
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Her Father was the founder, she's the current CEO.
her brother was one of the people we killed during the Faye Lau Manhunt.

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From what I can gleam from the ingame audio, the "commanding officer" guy was kinda the head of the military branch within it, aka: head of operations.
Sokolova is his boss.

raw yew
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I see

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I was just watching a video on the black tusk lore and heard a comm I never found about the current operators being loose ends to whoever is financing the BTSU

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Is the word superior banned šŸ˜‚

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Season 9 is interesting cause it shows how Schaffer doesnā€™t trust his higher ups

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He grows more pessimistic

ashen jungle
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It's not, no.
most of the auto-deletes these days are the auto-mod being a little twitchy. It's being looked at.

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I honestly can't blame Schaeffer at this point. Everyone who he was given to work with is turning up dead by the same single Agent.
he must've felt like he was being stalked by a horror movie slasher.

raw yew
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The amount of stalking he did makes up for it šŸ˜‚

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You know I find it so satisfying he keeps trying to make peace with different factions

lucid zinc
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TBH i have a feeling that sokolov isn't the only higher up in the BTSU. It feels like there is a council

raw yew
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we all know how that ended

ashen jungle
unreal trout
# lucid zinc TBH i have a feeling that sokolov isn't the only higher up in the BTSU. It feels...

The way the BTSU is organised definitely does not support the theory of a council. They are very much directly lined with clearly cut superiors and and rank and file. Company structures also rarely feature a council. Council would implyalways reaching a decision together whereas in this case there could be people advising her but she could still say B even though everyone else wanted A.

raw yew
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She doesn't even seem to want to listen to Schaffer who is the BTSU Leader after the commanding officer šŸ˜‚

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No one seems to want to listen to Schaffer

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the dude is a mastermind

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I really would like to know how the Dark Hours team follows the BTSU lore

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cause the only connection I see is the razorback during Keeners hunt

unreal trout
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Well, the Commanding Officer of the DC Unit, I should say

raw yew
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See the comms and echoes refer to the person he reports to as the CEO

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Some comms refer to the ceo as the black tusk commanding officer

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And for some reason Keenerā€™s ANNA AI identifies Schaffer as ā€œMaxā€ rather than Bardonā€¦ Iā€™m guessing itā€™s a nickname or short versionā€¦

ashen jungle
mint citrus
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Whatever happened to uhhh

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Mayhem

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They were the only member of the Hyena council we didn't get

late void
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We don't know: she eluded capture. There might be plans to make her manhunt target at some point or something but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

unreal trout
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True sons were the target this time. Just sayin'

raw yew
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Iā€™d like more hyena content

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Theyā€™re fun to fight

untold blaze
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what if Alex came back

cold bramble
raw yew
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plus they have 2 tanks

cold bramble
#

The real hyena tank enemy type looks ridiculous

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I'd like to see them make a remodel of an enemy
Like they did in Division 1 with clear sky raid
They gave a riker tank a shield, and the only enemy tank that uses a shield are the LMB tanks

raw yew
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not gonna lie the amount of armor he has and doesn't seem to struggle is beyond me

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the True sons tank must have to undergo surgery with all the recline in his spine

sleek plover
raw yew
unreal trout
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The Hyenaa were supplied by BTSU so they wouldn't be suppressed so easily and keep DC more Chaotic until they invaded.

untold blaze
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how were deliveries delivered? if that makes sense

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did some guy in a suit with a wheelbarrow full of BT equipment come along to DUA and throw it on the ground for hyenas to use?

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did they make themselves known or remain silent on who they work for

late void
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They had a deal with the hyena council ("Roach, our gear supply will dry the duck up if word gets back to the council that we lost the president")

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Presumably the council then distributed it to the rest of them

unreal trout
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I do not think they revealed themselves. It's more likely they left the caches with Equipment at their door

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I also believe there were no direct dealings, and the voice telling Roach that the supply would dry up was more because if that particular cell of Hyenas effed up, the distribution would no longer be in their favour, meaning they'd get less of the anonymous spoils from the others

untold blaze
late void
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I think I remember something about 'mysterious benefactors' from an echo, so I'd agree they likely didn't know it was BT. Would be interesting to find out if Mayhem's story involves her going off to investigate, I suspect she's not the type to take kindly to being used as a pawn

sick lantern
patent narwhal
#

I gotta say this gotta be #1 manhunt

sleek plover
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Imagine alex as a manhunt boss, basically his stats are identical to your average rioter assault. The real challenge is he bascially brings like 60+ underlings at once.

glad spruce
#

Okay, I finsihed the manhunt

mint citrus
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No spoilers, was it cool?

glad spruce
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Yes. Very cool.

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It surprised me

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I'll be honest, I never cared for the stories in the past four seasons. But Season 9 made me engaged with it

flat acorn
#

[No spoilers]

That was a great mission. I love the division for its story over anything else and that, was magnificent. Hope everyone has been following the manhunt because it would definitely bring goosebumps to anyone that has been following the story all along.

So many little surprises and the dialogue for Kelso has improved greatly. šŸ‘

trim yarrow
#

I love this season and the story it's amazing

lucid zinc
#

I hope division 2 gives us new missions instead of LETS RINSE AND REPEAT SEASONS WITH THE SAME THINGS

leaden wigeon
#

Interesting how Manny seems kinda pissed at Kelso

sick lantern
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inb4 Kelso is a boomer agent and sabotages the SHDā€™s alliances going forward, going rogue

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calling it šŸ˜¤

azure sand
#

great story over the recent manhunt, can't wait for what's next

glad spruce
#

What I love about this season's story is that we're moving forward with the narrative rather than have it static by cleaning up the mess left behind by Keener and Schaeffer

I'm intrigued what the next few seasons will bring

hearty spindle
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We still dont know what's coming, but we gotta see at season 10.

glad spruce
#

True. But in any case, the fact I got intrigued enough to want to know what will happen next narrative wise is rather good IMO

hearty spindle
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Whatever threat is coming, Were ready for it.

trim yarrow
#

I'm so hyped for what's next

leaden wigeon
#

I hope they donā€™t screw the next part over

tawny frost
#

i just finished the manhunt and man that was nuts, we both got questions answered, but also new questions brought up

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also that hunter had a new mask right? at least i didnt recognize it

grizzled lantern
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

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One message removed from a suspended account.

grizzled lantern
leaden wigeon
#

The audio logs stated that McManus was training a new hunter since in the Coney Island mission we killed one

tawny frost
#

Didnt he have a bunch of watches too

leaden wigeon
#

huh

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you mean the ones you meet in the corridors?

hearty spindle
#

So...Schaefer and Faye set this up to stop the plans of Sokolova and the black tusk?

tawny frost
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Cd for example just use the hunter models from the open world encounters, but this one had a new mask (i think)

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Unless Im blind and thats the Crimson mask

leaden wigeon
#

on the first time we meet it was definitely random black tusk soldier

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let me see vid online

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interesting

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the lighting seems to be reflecting and kinda matches one of the grenade launcher helmets?

cursive tapir
#

Manhunt Reaction

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||Mannyā€™s back! I wondered where heā€™d been. Havenā€™t heard from him in ages

Is Bonney a boss from a prior mission? The name feels familiar. Good thing we took him out. It wouldā€™ve been a real shame if heā€™d joined up with the Hunters and gotten turned into a mute.

Nice to know that we have Schaefer in a coma. We coulda used that info a while ago, I always wondered what was going on with him. So initially I was under the impression that Schaefer knowingly signed on to work for a secret cabal of conspirators - seems heā€™s had a change of heart

Thereā€™s still one audio log missing for me - anyone know what the deal is there?

Iā€™m really hoping that Sokolova and McManus arenā€™t just building a nuke.||

sick lantern
jagged thistle
#

Which is not a new mask.

upbeat tide
#

That was a plot twist.
Can't wait to see Bardon in the cutscene for the next season.

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My man need some screen time yo

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||but wait, how did he end up in a coma?||