division-universe

[ashen jungle]

resources have gotta be stretched by now, MSV are pulling a later-stage swtor expansion plot.

[warped iris]

wonder what game 3 will deal with story-wise

I doubt the new game mode will be that heavy on story, I do hope for at least maybe a new manhunt target

maybe we finish off the Black Tusk, but yeah who knows

they seem like the biggest threat so far

[ashen jungle]

I'm hoping a totally separate plot not related to BT or anyone from div1 or 2.
maybe someone like Vitaly, but I really want them to expand the universe more.
new city would be best, my vote is still on L.A.

[warped iris]

oh yes for sure new city

I'd like to see new places myself

[ashen jungle]

WONY always felt a bit of a let down for me. I didn't want to wallow in div1's story again, I didn't need a follow-up.

[warped iris]

remember Kendall though

she is off to someplace else working on a proper cure

maybe something around that

oh, yeah, it also felt a bit stretched how they were forced to move the factions down south

[ashen jungle]

oh god her name, don't remind me.
fun fact, it's "Kandel". Ya know, like a "candle in the dark, lighting the way"
metaphors in div1 were not MSV's strong suit.

[warped iris]

oh my bad

[ashen jungle]

dw, i try and block it out too.

[warped iris]

she's very abrasive if that's the term yes but she's got the right intentions

[ashen jungle]

i remember something about her being at the BT main base, which makes sense. She's a resource.

[warped iris]

as for the Warlords story, yeah I agree, I wished we saw another city, the way the factions moved down south felt a bit forced

Cleaners ok maybe but Rikers now eh

Keener I assume killed a bunch using the virus, and through this fear they moved the entire operation down on Wall Street, but if Keener needed their resources to get all that virus production going, how would he be a danger to em?

idk if I am making sense

[ashen jungle]

Actually from the comms, basically Keener just blackmailed the Rogues that were secretly in-charge of those Factions the whole time.

it's a little forced, ngl

[woven basalt]

an upside to the WONY expansion was some of the level design/set pieces were pretty great, even in comparison to DC. i hope they go the same approach in the next game.

[warped iris]

yeah I got that, but the rikers were basically used to scrounge up the resources he needed to create more of the virus right, eventually he would have ran out of it and would be unable to intimidate em

[ashen jungle]

oh absolutely, world design is MSV's best attribute imo.

[warped iris]

in a way the Rikers were used to be scavengers, they even worked on certain chemicals needed by Keener right

[ashen jungle]

by that point, he'd just move on.
Keener had plans within plans, it was kinda his thing.

[warped iris]

and Keener killed a bunch, maybe infected a bunch but eventually would run out of what he needed to make the virus by himself, Cleaners would absolutely REFUSE to get him all that

I just mean to say that Rikers could have just hunkered down and Keener would have been gone eventually

but he somehow intimidated em

[ashen jungle]

he basically bossed around Dragunov, who ran the Rikers after Barret died.

control the boss's boss, control them all.

[sick lantern]

she’s in Ann Arbor isn’t she

[warped iris]

yeah I get that, but I just feel the intimidation felt a bit forced too

[ashen jungle]

@sick lantern see, never actually had concrete evidence for it. So I'm counting it as "almost definitly" right now.

[warped iris]

we see the Rikers not backing down no matter how much we hit em, in both games, and suddenly a lanky dude with an annoying superiority complex is enough to move em around

[sick lantern]

very odd I thought it was concrete but you’re right

[ashen jungle]

I don't know how many more ways I can say "Keener made a deal with the boss".

[warped iris]

I get that

I just don't think the rikers, Dragov especially would be so easily swayed

it was "get me those groceries or I kill your people", Division goes "leave the people alone or we kill every last one of you", but he suddenly dropped his pants for Keener

[ashen jungle]

You should really listen to the comms.

[warped iris]

doesn't make too much sense imo

[ashen jungle]

it's all explained in there.

[sick lantern]

the Rikers answered to Dragov because of bs and Dragov answers to Keener because, well, he’s only the most dangerous man in the USA at the time

[warped iris]

I get that, I know the lore I just don't believe Dragov would be so easily intimidated

it feels forced to put the Rikers in that area of the mpa

[ashen jungle]

Kirby, care to take this one? It's giving me a headache.

[round sinew]

I don't think intimidated is the right term.

Dragov is riding with Keener because Keener is a manipulative asshole, not because he pinned Dragov to a wall with a gun to his head and told him to follow orders.

[ashen jungle]

^^^^

[round sinew]

It's heavily implied if not outright detailed that Keener guaranteed Dragov and his "family" peace and safety if they helped Keener achieve his goals.

Keener just failed to mention to them that his plans would likely result in the deaths of the Rikers and Dragov himself.

[ashen jungle]

Yeah that's basically what the comms mentioned.

the only Rogue who didn't fall for his BS is Kajika, who went along with it because it served his goals too.

[round sinew]

Tbh I'd say the only one who likely would've been okay with Keener's plan would've been the Cleaner woman.

But she was clearly unstable by the time the player agent encounters her.

[ashen jungle]

iirc her Comms basically boiled down to "i want to burn them all" and keener going "yep, go ahead".

I like a nice straight forward crazy person.

[round sinew]

Conley

That's her name, yes.

[ashen jungle]

Vivian Conley, yeah.

[round sinew]

It's a shame because the later rogues run the gamut of "totally insane" to "wrong place, wrong time"

[woven basalt]

she has a cool character design

[ashen jungle]

I do like Theo's reaction to Keener getting sick of rescuing him.

[warped iris]

I know that part yes, but in other recordings it's mentioned he kills Rikers and tells it to Dragov

and the way he guarantees peace is more a peace on the leash, not alliance

[round sinew]

Yes.

Toxic relationships are toxic.

[warped iris]

that means Dragov is scared of losing more rikers that he views as family

he fears Keener, he does not share Keener's goals, he is merely intimidated by the possibility of losing more family

[round sinew]

Sure

[warped iris]

that was my point

[round sinew]

Arguing the final details of WONY is the equivalent of poking holes in the plot of the SW sequel trilogy.

[warped iris]

but I feel the way he does it is a bit of a stretch, since I don't see Dragov being intimiated that easily

[round sinew]

Just... Don't worry about it. Enjoy the ride.

[warped iris]

well yeah but that's what I mean to say to begin with, I do not mind it overall

but Rivens initially said the expansion felt forced, I provided an argument as to why I agree but suddenly I am causing a headache?

lmao

[round sinew]

It's very forced

But like, the entire franchise is forced

[warped iris]

yeah I know I jsut take it for what it is but idk what I said wrong

[ashen jungle]

it's a AAA live-service game, that's just how they are.

[round sinew]

^

GP > RP

[ashen jungle]

not "wrong", just nitpicking a tiny plot detail that doesn't matter whatsoever over and over again.

and is easily explained by just listening to the comms.

anyway, moving on.

[woven basalt]

lol, i think that bit was just for us, they did make him super obnoxious up to that point.

he deserved worse, but that part always puts a smile on my face

[ashen jungle]

first time i did that mission, it was with an SMG and shotgun.
the endboss was....frustrating.

[round sinew]

He was just some computer kid conspiracy theorist who got fucked over by everyone.

I felt bad for him.

[warped iris]

I just wonder how far you have to go to believe you're fighting the good fight by associating with Rikers

[sick lantern]

^

[woven basalt]

double ooph.

[round sinew]

How he made it into SHD and stayed there is only due to massive corruption.

[round sinew]

I don't think it was associating so much as "protection"

[warped iris]

it does feel like SHD recruiters were more on a conscription campaign rather than proper selection of recruits

oh yeah it was protection but still, getting to that point is just questionable

he had no right to talk shit about us when he was with em

[round sinew]

I don't think Theo really had a choice at that point. Kid was basically a prisoner at that point. Keener basically radicalized a 4chan shitposter.

[ashen jungle]

Theo being just a "good kid" only goes so far for me.
he made ANNA (at least partially), he helped develop the rogues skills, im pretty sure he had a hand in the bomb that killed the post office.

[warped iris]

yeah you are right Romulus

[ashen jungle]

actually no, Keener convinced him to work together.

[warped iris]

he also gets increasingly stressed out as we go further in the mission

I do wonder one thing

[ashen jungle]

Theo wasn't just some good kid mixed up, he chose to work with Rogues, knowing what that meant.
he chose to work with them, knowing that it would put him up for Treason.
Theo chose a side, he's an adult.

[round sinew]

I think his conspiracies were right tbh

[warped iris]

when Keener refuses to help him, was it really because he asked for too much help, or was it just Keener cutting ties with someone he had no more use for

[round sinew]

The latter

[warped iris]

I do not really believe he got into that much trouble

[ashen jungle]

before the apocalypse, maybe. But after? There is no conspiracy anymore, they're all dead.

[warped iris]

it was just Keener using him

[round sinew]

Keener didn't really want or expect his lieutenants to survive. He was just using them all.

[ashen jungle]

i was making a joke.
it's because Keener got what he needed. Theo should've planned better.

[sick lantern]

I think with Keener it’ll always be the latter

[warped iris]

oh no I got what you meant

I just wonder what was in Keener's mind

[round sinew]

Sociopathy

[warped iris]

and that line specifically, sort of "I cannot keep saving your ass everytime"

what is everytime I do not recall him getting into that much trouble, at least from what we hear

if anything he's a net gain with his skills

[woven basalt]

keener's kinda simple, he's just thinking about what's good for himself.

theres literally no one he wouldnt betray

[warped iris]

his end fight also felt a little funny, suddenly he thinks he's doing the right thing

[round sinew]

Keener's kinda dumb, but that's on the writers

[warped iris]

"push the reset button" on NY for what purpose? whole country is fucked

[round sinew]

MSV didn't know how to up the ante and make Keener a clear and present danger.

[sick lantern]

well we know Massive are Metal Gear fans, maybe they were just trying really hard to get an MGS2 reference in

[warped iris]

lol I guess

[round sinew]

What better way than :not:nuke the city

[warped iris]

I am no writer either but my take is the story would have been better if the bomb was merely a distraction for something else

[round sinew]

Tbh it kinda was

[warped iris]

take our attention away with an imminent threat

the DC attack of the cleaners you mean?

[round sinew]

In a way, the real threat is the Rogue Network

[warped iris]

hmm true, but I feel like he could have just ran away

[round sinew]

Since it's just a collection of Keener's acolytes

[warped iris]

to sacrifice yourself in such an elaborate way imo would have been to distract from something much much bigger

[sick lantern]

yea if the rogue network is his main goal, why paint a massive target on yourself with the eclipse virus bs

[warped iris]

to just activate the network now idk

he could have done it anyway

[round sinew]

MSV can't do endings well, okay

We know this

[warped iris]

he could literally hide in one of those portable toilets and do it while we shot up the Black Tusk

door would have said busy so we couldn't go in after him anyway, as in the social norm right

maybe if somehow he was part of another bigger faction akin to Black Tusk, and this was merely a step in their plan, would have made more sense imo

wasn't it implied at one point Amherst had the support of certain individuals in the government that I assume are part of the Black Tusk now

but maybe they could have made another faction, say like True Sons on a much bigger scale

[round sinew]

That's called Black Tusk

[warped iris]

oh yeah right now for sure

I just wonder what if another big faction rose up to face em

so a merc organisation vs rogue us military say

plunge the country into a proper scale civil war

not just pockets of civillians and basically bandits

[floral gull]

Division 3 might see a full on invasion from a foreign force

[woven basalt]

if thats not part of the new content.

i've been thinking about that too since the sokolov thing

and then that map of europe, if thats what it appears to be

very intriguing

[floral gull]

Now that the US is weakened enough from within with a massive biological attack, and in-fighting with no real military presence-SHD can only do so much and is not intended to fight a full force army. Black Tusk and Rogues have done their part to further cripple their own country and is now ripe for the taking by a foreign power. Hunters are just the vanguard to test SHD defenses and strength before the real force arrives to snuff out The Division for good

[sleek plover]

Madagascar

[gaunt ice]

C H I N A

[gaunt ice]

so you're saying that when US does get invaded,the Hunters will help us fight against them?

[woven basalt]

nah, he's saying his theory is the hunters are russians or something along those lines.

[sick lantern]

the hunters are scouts for an invading force
baseless speculation ofc but it’s one of the better theories i’ve heard

the SHD is responsible for defending their home, and the Hunters are responsible for invading other people’s it would be fitting

as long as they’re not Russian that is

[gaunt ice]

id pay to see them being Chinese

ohh Russia this Russia that

you have a bad sleep?"those goddamm Soviets"

your marriage broke down?"FUCKING RUSSIANS!"

like,come on,try something else

Chinese has only being the bad guy in literally 1 video game ever,or at least the only one that i know

and it's not too far-fetched,considering how US and China had a history too

[woven basalt]

kinda unlikely for them to be cast as the bad guys considering ubisoft's relationship with tencent and their push to get games pass chinese censorship (think being critical of china is one of the criteria for banning still)

[gaunt ice]

i mean,bf4 has China as the main antagonists and their Asia playerbase are made out of Chinese after all

so i guess it's just the matter of if the publishers have the balls to do so

[woven basalt]

"In 2013, the Chinese Ministry banned Battlefield 4 as they claimed it misrepresented China and was an attempt to "smears China's image"."

[gaunt ice]

like that'll stop them

go check out bf4 for yourself

[woven basalt]

stop who?

china?

that's what we're talking about here.

[gaunt ice]

im going on a bit of a tangent here but there are chinese people who are playing the game too

maybe not much,but does it matter though?

[woven basalt]

oh, i dont know if chinese players are able to circumvent the censorship.

[woven basalt]

when we're talking about ubisoft, i kinda does, they've been pushing to get into china for a while.

thats one of their big reasons for the partnership with tencent

it sucks to think about, but it makes that narrative a little less likely than soviets being painted as the villains.

which is ironically the reverse from what happens in clancy's books, far more likely for the US and russia to team-up than with china.

[gaunt ice]

ubisoft at this point gives little to no respect to the name Tom Clancy anymore

[gaunt ice]

but did it happen?fr,i didn't get too much into the books

[sick lantern]

Red October was cooperation between the US and Russia wasn’t it

wait no

that’s something else to do with submarines

[woven basalt]

i sorta think he did something like that earlier, and outside the ryanverse, with SSN, but i think formally, and within the ryanverse, that happens in the bear and the dragon.

[sick lantern]

in the div 1 intro cutscene they do refer to them as the CDC rather than the DCD 🤔mildly interesting

[brave locust]

because they pay/threaten/ban if china is the bad guy

[sleek plover]

Probably ubi is being warned by them right now because of what you just wrote here

[brave locust]

im talking in game lore

[ashen jungle]

Yeah there's a bunch of the knock-off irl brands.
I'm assuming it's because Ubi couldn't get the licensing for them at that point.
see also: NYPD, FDNY, NYSE.

[sick lantern]

whoever made the intro cutscene must not have gotten the memo

[ashen jungle]

Different times, licenses run out.

[dry spear]

You Know the Panther Class from Ghost Recon Breakpoint kinda Reminds me of the Hunters On the Bases that its Completely based on stealth which basically you are completely invisible to Enemies and also the Classes Gadget and Speciak Technique

[gaunt ice]

i haven't play Breakpoint yet,but i just want to say that the bad guys in Fallen Ghost DLC for Wildlands also has invisible camo suits that you need thermal scopes to ping them

you know,it gives me a strange thought

the bad guys in the TC games always have some sort of super tech

or something that's really out of reach

like how a literal drug cartel has SAMs everywhere,combat helicopters,jammers,etc...

or a supposed police force that has shit load of helicopters at disposal?

you don't really see a cartel or the polices spamming 2 Black Hawks and a bunch of Apaches to hunt down 4 armed Americans

or maybe in the Division,like,if it really took place around 2015-2016,who gave the lmb auto turrets,apcs,SAMs?like,i can't think of a way Bliss can convince the army to install air defences into the city way before he goes off the grid

or how can black tusk develop fucking hovercrafts in somewhere near US without anyone noticing it before?like,you can't convince me they can possibly make them in matters of months,or for an extended period of time without the CIA,NSA or any other intelligence department in the world noticing?

and don't even pull out the Russia excuse,1 hovercraft is bigger than the White House itself,and they have a crap ton of them,enough to cover "the state"

[woven basalt]

ever heard of ghost recon phantoms?

the phantoms are like the hunters, both high tech ballistic-mask groups.

[gaunt ice]

so ballistic mask people are just part of a TC game?

[sick lantern]

i doubt they had official approval to do much of anything

[dry spear]

Interesring

Coincidence?

Or are they just like Hunters by being Absolutely Annoying

[woven basalt]

on the surface level, they're both "looking glass"/mirror darkly of the main team, but without knowing the hunters' motives, it's hard to compare them any further than that.

[nimble field]

What is extended universe

[spare arrow]

Extended universe is the lore that is both in game and out of game, like the books, comics, audiobooks, and all the stuff in game.

[naive badger]

[woven basalt]

at least its not that csgo knife spam.

[sick lantern]

@kind hare Million dollar idea: The Division iceberg video

[gaunt ice]

what's gonna be in the bottom though?

that one time when the merciless was good?

[sick lantern]

idk... Falcon Lost was supposed to be at the Intrepid?

[gaunt ice]

ok that's new

[sick lantern]

we know from the evidence video and out of the map glitches that the Intrepid, the carrier in West Side Piers, was supposed to be an LMB location- and doesn’t Falcon Lost ever come off as a bit lazy to you? not just in terms of gameplay but environment, it’s just another industrial underground area, the only new asset created for FL is the drones, and the only other place they appear is in WSP
we all know Division 1 had a troubled early life cycle, so what if- Falcon Lost was originally supposed to take place at the Intrepid, but because of development issues they had to downgrade it

this is all just speculation of course, but it makes sense

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

[warped iris]

I wish I had a LMB waifu with winter camo underwear

[gaunt ice]

what the fu-

[round sinew]

Why aren't we getting a Japanese Assassin's Creed?

Questions like the above and "What if Falcon Lost was boat?" Are the same.

[sick lantern]

.

We already know that they had to cut corners/delay things due to bugs and whatnot

[gaunt ice]

i think i'll get a girlfriend,you'll stop being angry and Aspect will like corn before ubisoft decides to make a Japanese AC game

and Mike liking the LMB

[cold bramble]

Lmfao True

[sleek plover]

You have just sealed the Japanese-AC's fate.

[gaunt ice]

that's the point

it's never gonna happen

CoD will be good again,every company will equally treat its employees and AC Japan would still not happen

[west dock]

You think the "Ambushers" will ever get more spotlight on them or are they just a sub faction that has no history?

It'll be cool if they had some recordings or any hint of their existence rather than random encounters in free roam

[sick lantern]

sadly, most likely the latter

[west dock]

:(
They look like an interesting bunch, people who scale buildings and are very athletic, concept images looks cool of them doing parkour weapons drawn.

[sick lantern]

ah, concept art... the coolest things that were destined to never exist

you know the Urbex photos In Div 1? maybe they could’ve brought those back with some connection to these guys

[west dock]

I mean just imagine a mission where we're on a building and the boss is this very fast, parkouring nightmare as he jumps and slides over and into cover, you watch as he rapidly approaches you with immense speed and end up with an arrow in your chest as he jumps over a baracade-

sigh

[ashen jungle]

I'm imaging that, but in the div engine where the boss gets stuck in a piece of cover.

game's super not designed for fast enemies.

[mint citrus]

Heh

Get delta'd as they try to vault and stab you

[west dock]

ubisoft engine doing le funny and glitch

[ashen jungle]

was once melee'd and got delta'd straight after.
the Outcast punched me so I hard I got dc'd.

[mint citrus]

He punched you out of existence

[west dock]

Armor piercing arrows that can over pen,
Fire tipped arrows? Different arrow ammo,
use of flash/stun grenades, use of actual ambush tactics (example: if you wonder into a certain area, they sneak up on you and then attack per say)
Anything that can make them a formidable foe in their own way.

[ashen jungle]

You have a thing for arrows, I see.

[west dock]

Haha Crossbow goes boom

Also their light tinction between the factions,
Hyenas are green
True sons are more of a dirty orange
Outcast are yellow
BT has blue headlights from a car

Underground are brownish
Ambushers have a red light

[west dock]

Bow and arrow primary that's not a specialization when?

[ashen jungle]

I kinda assumed for WONY, since in all other respects it was the Forsaken of div2.

[sick lantern]

kinda hard for random weirdos to ambush people who have 360 degree motion sensors as standard issue

cool idea tho :^

[mint citrus]

Something Something jammers

But yeah I understand

[floral gull]

What about the ski mask guys from wony

[ashen jungle]

Ski mask guys from WONY?

Oh you mean the random enemies you fight in the Nyc LZ?

They're not really a faction, just random rioters. I guess you can assume they're what's left of the Rioters from Div1, but eh.

[floral gull]

yeah i forgot the color of the crossbow highlight for these rioters that Phoenix was talking about

[sick lantern]

not gonna start this pedantics argument again

[tiny wraith]

Tickle pokes rivens😀

[west dock]

Also let's say for the sake of imagination, would it be op if the elite bowman that I talked about above can run and shoot at the same time, same thing for sliding over tables and baracades.

[spare arrow]

no

because someone would see them and go "wow, a jackass with a bow?" and the bowman would get shot. with a gun.

[west dock]

Just an idea

The arrow variants is what got that idea

[sick lantern]

I think them having only vanilla arrows would be cooler personally

[west dock]

What if they can fire 2 at once, or 2 in rapid succession.

Or just beef up the damage that they do to simplify

[slate cloak]

What the heck is the LMB and what is their Combat Prowess comparable to?

[spare arrow]

last man battalion, comparable to BTSU

[slate cloak]

Wait they were that strong?

Man

[spare arrow]

maybe a bit less, but comparable nonetheless

less of a focus on drones and tech

[mint citrus]

More on squad tactics and constantly pressing any advantage they had

[sick lantern]

many rogue agents swore allegiance to them

[mint citrus]

And lots and lots of shotgun rushers

[sick lantern]

basically the BTSU but way cooler

[slate cloak]

Anyway
Damn
Wanted to protect Manhattan but things just went south
Vibed checked anyone who was deemed a "threat" to them

[sick lantern]

“protect” manhattan in the same way an abusive parent protects their child

[slate cloak]

Lol

But then again just like the Cleaners they didn't have a choice

[sick lantern]

they really did

[slate cloak]

Still needed to "restore order" but
bruh how are vibe-checking civilians gonna help

Oh and I just found out that Aaron met with Bliss, which is how LMB was almost on-par with BTSU in terms of tech

[spare arrow]

thats not it

lmb wasnt on par with btsu, just had some basic things like healing stations and similar stuff

no big drones, wardogs, ect

[slate cloak]

https://youtu.be/TgPcW93ErP0
Lets just say I got my info from this

Well
I was just asking while watching this

[spare arrow]

Keener meeting with bliss is likely what gave the LMB support stations and the like, but as for being on par with BTSU's tech? bro they send multiple warhounds in a single combat encounter.

warhounds, drones, marauders, razorbacks... yeah they arent at that level, even near it

lmb has the squad tactics down tho

[sick lantern]

LMB had the best of modern technology, BTSU had the secret DARPA technology

[slate cloak]

Hmm
Okay I'm tryna list all the Division 1 enemy factions
Cleaners
Rikers
LMB
Rogue Agents
Hunters
Who else?

[sick lantern]

Rogue agents aren’t a faction

[spare arrow]

Rioters.

[sick lantern]

and Rioters are a faction in gameplay terms but not lore terms

[slate cloak]

Rioters are hostile civilians from what I've gathered

Reminds of the enemies with shields and bows in division 2

Anyway
What are the "unnamed" factions in Division 2 you sometimes meet in the Open World and Summit?

[sick lantern]

they’re called Ambushers or some shit

[slate cloak]

The other is
"Underground?"

[sick lantern]

yea the chainsaw guys

[slate cloak]

https://youtu.be/Ga1h50uxA6w

[sick lantern]

not to be confused with the expansion of the same name

[slate cloak]

Hmm now that I think about
Is there any "enemy factions" mentioned in the lore but not in-game?

[sick lantern]

Skulls MC

[slate cloak]

Skulls?
MC?

[sick lantern]

Skulls Motorcycle Club

[slate cloak]

Bikers?
Hmm...

[sick lantern]

there’s also whoever tf “Warlord Al-Hekmatyar” is

[gaunt ice]

unpopular opinion:LMB can easily beat the shit out of Black Tusk if they don't use tech

[slate cloak]

Probably

[gaunt ice]

LMB seems to use actual tactics,while BT just wildly spams explosive drones

[slate cloak]

I mean btsu pretty much spams tech

LMB has actual tactics

I wonder if TS has tactics too or...

[sick lantern]

True Sons are ex-JTF and random paramilitary recruits, their training isn’t as good as the LMB’s

[slate cloak]

Oof

[gaunt ice]

JTF,at least the DC ones,are a lot stronger.Until all of the good ones defect and you have these crappy nerds

[sick lantern]

which yaknow doesn’t make a lot of sense

[gaunt ice]

How so?

Name 1 competent JTF folk that’s still a good guy and works in the field

Not the safehouse peeps

[sick lantern]

I meant the first sentence
they were all just National Guardsmen, doesn’t really make sense that the DC ones are so much more competent

[gaunt ice]

Iirc there are US army involved too

[sick lantern]

National Guard is the Army

[gaunt ice]

I thought they were 2 different things🤦‍♂️

[sick lantern]

National Guard is the army reserves so they’re a little different

[gaunt ice]

So where’s the rest of the army?Rangers are doing border control as told in the comms

[sick lantern]

“The National Guard is part of the reserve components of the United States Army and Air Force”

[sick lantern]

dead or deployed elsewhere probably

[gaunt ice]

I mean the other branches,special units,Delta team,SEALs,Marines,anyone else

You can’t tell me they’re all dead

You can’t be serious

[sick lantern]

in Div 1 sending them into a quarantine zone would be a terrible idea
by Div 2 their organisational structure is probably non-existent

their ranks have been devastated by the Green Poison, people go AWOL, anyone left is probably hunkering down or has higher priority deployments

[gaunt ice]

What higher priorities other than protecting their country?

[sick lantern]

protecting other parts of it

[gaunt ice]

You’d think they’d be more well-equipped with humvees,APCs,helicopters but nah,here just have a crappy helicopter to do everything

Extracting agents,contaminated items,expeditions,…

The Hyenas made an APC IN A STADIUM.WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS

[sick lantern]

well it doesn’t work does it

just the turret

[gaunt ice]

Point is,they did make one

Better than the Jerk To Fuck

[sick lantern]

more like scavenged and cobbled together

[gaunt ice]

Still better

What does the DC jtf have?

a fucking helicopter

[sick lantern]

air superiority

[gaunt ice]

That does not come with a mg nor flares to protect itself against rockets

Or suppressing fire

[sick lantern]

no one ever accused the JTF of being that competent

they’re strapped for resources and manpower

maintaining a fleet of helicopters is pretty good all things considered

[gaunt ice]

when a PMC is even more well-equipped than the US Army,you know something's terribly fucked up

come on

jeeps?better helos?

or just give the jtf people some bulletproof vest jesus

[sick lantern]

the Black Tusk are equipped by secret Russian illuminati bullshit, I won’t fault the JTF for being more grounded in the reality of the situation

[gaunt ice]

but Russia is also affected by the virus too

and you do realise that they don't actually use Russian weapons/vehicles?

[sick lantern]

that’s not the point

[gaunt ice]

im saying them being funded by Russians doesn't sound likely

[sick lantern]

Natalya Sokolova? it’s only partially a joke

[gaunt ice]

yeah yeah she's Russian but that doesn't automatically make the Russian government is involved in this

[sick lantern]

never said that

[gaunt ice]

point is,the jtf's weakness has to come from within,manipulated by someone instead of just one bad week

because all of the outside factors just aren't enough

[sick lantern]

ninety odd percent of the human population is dead and logistics have shut down, I’d say that’s enough

[floral gull]

So are White Tusk canon to the lore?

[sick lantern]

uhhhh

[woven basalt]

could be a reference to the irl guy.

[sick lantern]

“He received more CIA funding than any other mujihadeen leader during the Soviet-Afghan war” idk what the source is but according to the wiki and NGN the LMB have former CIA in them so yea that could be the connection

tenuous but with a basis in reality

something for the iceberg perhaps?

[gaunt ice]

"Good question."-Shrek

[floral gull]

😰

[woven basalt]

they don't really need a cia connection for that flavor text, since they were security overseas (before they were recalled to manhattan)

they probably worked sec between nato and the warlord.

[sick lantern]

just thought it was interesting

[latent pebble]

What are the official Division books?

[woven basalt]

idk, what you mean. the "world of..." books, or those and the novels (plus survivor's guide)?

[ashen jungle]

Broken Dawn, New York Collapse, there's a few.

[brave locust]

Those are it for books. Rest are graphic novels and art books. Extremis Malis and coming out soon is Remission. Later on full blown novel will come out.

[latent pebble]

So Broken Dawn and NY Collapse are the only official books? Which one should I read first?

[brave locust]

You can read broken dawn without NYC since it explains it

But NYC is fun to do first

[woven basalt]

depends on what you mean by "official" books. those are the novels, but theres also the lore book "the world of...".

[brave locust]

Both NYC and BD were written by Alex Irvine, I wonder if he will write the novel in the future.

[sleek plover]

I do own the World of the Division book, and yes LMB is mentioned to include former CIA-SAD

and damn I hate LMB

[brave locust]

Hearts on Fire is on audible, its an audiobook but with sound effects, audio play? its really good.

[brave locust]

you should check out Hearts on Fire too then

[sleek plover]

Why?

The only news I want to hear about them lorewise is them being humiliated and destroyed

[woven basalt]

theyre in there, but i doubt you'd like it. from what i've heard, theyre a bit more humanized.

[sleek plover]

Sure they are, they still deserve no justificaiton tho

[woven basalt]

you must be glad elite squad is about to be pulled then.

[sleek plover]

welp, this is a spoilers chat, would anyone care to explain how exactly they are humanized?

[brave locust]

dear lord

this is fiction

well mostly

[woven basalt]

that's an interesting style of prayer, i like it.

[brave locust]

i meant Lorde

[latent pebble]

@woven basalt By official I mean licensed by Ubisoft, not a fan made

[sick lantern]

well unless you hit up AO3 the only things that exist are official

[latent pebble]

https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/w/thedivision_books?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app

So this is everything right? ∆∆

[sick lantern]

iirc yes

[brave locust]

Yup thats what we said

[nimble field]

Hello

[slate cloak]

I kept looking at the Memento and realized why all the watches were red
If they're red they're basically disconnected from ISAAC or something

[woven basalt]

the backpack?

[slate cloak]

yup

I don't have image perms in this channel

[woven basalt]

they look orange in pics.

[gaunt ice]

there are some reds on it

[tiny wraith]

Ok so just saw Heartland for end of year beginning of next

[woven basalt]

yeah, the 2021-2022 timeframe is from the last/only time we got info about it, back in may.

[brave locust]

Are you able to go into Warren Merchant's apartment yet in the first game? it was outside the playable zone but this was years ago

[warped iris]

they shift color from time to time

[vivid inlet]

But not me

[brave locust]

both of you would enjoy Hearts on Fire

[floral gull]

Is Hearts on Fire the earliest in the timeline?

Never read the books

[sick lantern]

yea, it’s before Div 1 even starts

[floral gull]

I’ll be looking for a timeline chart of all media lore

[sick lantern]

Hearts on Fire, Div 1 and New York Collapse, Extremis Malis, Div 2, idk where the other two books fit

[floral gull]

So the old film was basically during Div 1?

[sick lantern]

I don’t think Agent Origins is canon

but yes

[floral gull]

And then heartlands?

[sick lantern]

we don’t know

presumably it’s after Div 2

[woven basalt]

oh man, what if they never clarify the time. lol, man, i'm kinda expecting the worst when it comes to the timeline in this franchise.

[nova nest]

Johny pls bto can I have it?

[nova nest]

): y delete

[brave locust]

it was a scam

[nova nest]

@brave locust did he track my ip?

XD am at school anyway

[spare arrow]

If you clicked on the link and put any information in, your account is highly at risk.

[nova nest]

I didn't do that I just clicked the link then left

[brave locust]

your IP is the least of any phishing concerns really but if you didnt log in anything or download anything youre good. usually its CS skins. you cant give away anything in TD to randoms without being grouped anyways.

[fast kettle]

doesnt matter

change your passsword

make sure u have 2FA enabled

the link steals ur discord security token from cookies in ur browser

[sick lantern]

this mf really clicked one of those?

[fast kettle]

they bassically get a login to ur account unless untill u change something about ur account.

it also logs all ur files and console actions

so bassically whatever accounts ur login into are now at risk

if u have 2FA and dont have any kind of banking stuff linked the worst they can do is maybe get u banned from a few servers.

so bassically everything u have login in on ur Phone/PC. change the passwod or email.

they will also have ur email adresses and Where u live

but those dont matter as much

i meant get more scam emails now

[fast kettle]

yes

[brave locust]

what skin did he think he was getting

[gaunt ice]

unpopular opinion:green poison is more dangerous than a zombie outbreak

[cold bramble]

very true though, the bioweapon is powerful in that it cannot be killed with common place firearms and cannot always be easily contained or counteracteed.

[gaunt ice]

i mean,just the way it spreads can pose more threats than a zombie apocalypse

[cold bramble]

yeah

[gaunt ice]

you'd be less suspicious when someone gives you a hundred-dollar bill than them biting you

imagine instead of NYC,it starts from China,we'd get fucked way before the Division is activated

[cold bramble]

an Example is common day

[gaunt ice]

now now it's not about races or irl events

[cold bramble]

[MESSAGE VOIDED]

[gaunt ice]

nah nah nah a bank

[cold bramble]

Bank?

PayDay 2?

[gaunt ice]

idk,didn't play payday yet

[cold bramble]

why a bank?

😕

[gaunt ice]

it can spread to more money bills

[cold bramble]

true

[spare arrow]

lets not

[cold bramble]

Commonly used trope in assasination movies

Classic Killer Instinct

. . . .

[gaunt ice]

i mean,there can be a maniac just like Amherst in real world now and you wouldn't know it

[cold bramble]

Very true

[gaunt ice]

so why would you be suspicious about someone wanting to kill you?

[cold bramble]

Too many people out there

[spare arrow]

you arent that important

[cold bramble]

Maniacs are all over the place, hard to track them all

[dusty vapor]

you're_not_that_guy_pal.mp4

[gaunt ice]

you're not a celebrity,or a politician or a most wanted criminal

it's totally random

[cold bramble]

hmmmm yeah

People are people and roles only act as namesake

[gaunt ice]

it could be me who becomes Patient Zero

everyone is a target

[cold bramble]

True

[spare arrow]

RIP thanh, gone 2 soon

[gaunt ice]

Mr Aspect,i don't feel so good...

[cold bramble]

and also a liability if they know to much

[gaunt ice]

no one knows about the virus at first hand right?

[cold bramble]

correct

[gaunt ice]

even when they do,they still mistaken it for smallpox

[cold bramble]

very true

[gaunt ice]

it's the element of surprise

[cold bramble]

that's the killer's poison

[gaunt ice]

when people start running around biting others you'd be more cautious

when your girlfriend starts coughing,you'd think it's a sore throat

[cold bramble]

anyways it's getting late, gonna go for now. Nice chatting
.,.,...,.

[gaunt ice]

see ya

[cold bramble]

too true, see ya

[slate cloak]

Anyways
What the heck are the Hyenas supposed to be?
I understand most of the enemy factions EXCEPT the Hyenas for some reason

[woven basalt]

theyre scavs.

[sick lantern]

gangsters and lowlifes banding together

for strength in numbers

[slate cloak]

Wait I just realized
a lot of the factions do have their own "tactics"
Like Hyenas try to overwhelm you with CC, which is present in most of their classes

Both Cleaners and Outcasts use Incendiary weapons
but Cleaners take a more mid-range approach while Outcasts throw themselves at you

[warped iris]

they did a video on it a while back and factions do have different tactics indeed

some are more defensive, like True Sons while some are more aggressive like Hyenas

[warped iris]

they're the rioters from 1 but united to stand up to True Sons and to combine their manpower

[sick lantern]

Also they love drugs

[woven basalt]

"the spice"

apparently, theyre also nerds (or written by some).

[sick lantern]

definitely the latter

do you think it’s explicitly a Dune reference? or do you think it’s because Dune made “spice” the most generic fiction drug name

[ashen jungle]

We do often walk without rhythm.

[woven basalt]

dune is a lot more niche, couldve went tolkien and called it "the precious", either way, hyenas be nerds.

i still think its weird that its the outcasts (in xdef) that uses a green-vapor buff, thats kinda the hyenas thing.

[brave locust]

tbf Dune got it from people in history fighting over literal spices

[woven basalt]

the spice

idk theres just something inherently funny about the name, maybe it was a bit because of that.

either way, i like it.

[brave locust]

dune is boring anyways

well the movie at least

[woven basalt]

the one with sting or the new one?

[ashen jungle]

I'm voting for the one that didn't get made, that would've been incredible.

[woven basalt]

it's interesting to think that if they had made jodo's dune then alien (and the aliens franchise) never wouldve happened.

[ashen jungle]

Considering what happened with Alien 3 and onwards, on balance it may have been worth it.

[brave locust]

I found information about the division novel from the publishers website. all official. can i post the link?

[ashen jungle]

What sort of info is it?

[brave locust]

publisher, author, title, synopsis

i can spoiler-tag that here too

[ashen jungle]

You mean a novel that's already out?

[brave locust]

nope the one coming out

[ashen jungle]

I'd maybe hold off, that sounds borderline hidden info.

[brave locust]

its on the publishers website and links to amazon but the book isnt up on amazon yet

its all right there linked to ubisoft

[sick lantern]

sounds fine to me

[ashen jungle]

3rd party publishers often post stuff before it's allowed.
kinda sounds borderline to me, but I'm not the one posting it.

[brave locust]

||https://aconytebooks.com/shop/recruited-by-thomas-parrott/||

Alex Irvine already confirmed he was never asked about a new book as of a couple months ago. This one is due out in the beginning of 2022.

[sick lantern]

fuck the training
get in the fight, ||Mary Sue||

[brave locust]

skip Hearts on Fire then

but dont because its really good

[woven basalt]

i wonder if hearts on fire connects to this one. the review i saw on hearts said something about a recruit in the end.

[sick lantern]

doesn’t the protagonist of HoF have months of SHD training

[brave locust]

i think so

[brave locust]

its a different character per the publisher link

[woven basalt]

yeah, it's an audible "original", there is no print publisher.

[brave locust]

the one i posted

[woven basalt]

sigh, yeah, i know, but there isnt a print publisher for one, so using whether they have the same publisher as a metric is flawed.

[brave locust]

i wasnt using it at a metric

just that its not the same story as Hearts on Fire

[woven basalt]

what? thats not what i said, i was talking about how the ending feels like a set-up for something.

it's cross promotion.

[brave locust]

im doing 3 things at once, sorry

no ones fault but my own

[woven basalt]

no worries

[tiny wraith]

kool this will be 2 new books coming out

one in december and one in febuary

[brave locust]

Graphic novel and regular novel

[visual haven]

I think it's 4 months

[ashen jungle]

technically 4 is a number of months :p

[tiny wraith]

Ooops I'm off it's 3 books thnx complex 2 hardback and 1 graphic novel

[brave locust]

4 if you include aprils diary

5 and 6 if you include Art of and World of The Division but they are art/lore.

[round sinew]

Now that Assassin's Creed and Watchdogs are definitely in the same universe, I await the time when they find a way to cross them into the Tom Clancy universe, and then into Division.

[ashen jungle]

Kinda wondering how they'll tie in what happens in later AC games to Green Poison.

[round sinew]

"Templars did it."

"Some Isu outbreak"

[ashen jungle]

Not really what I meant there.
we know the future in AC games, we're currently there. I don't see any evidence of a plague in Odyssey/Valhalla.

[round sinew]

Eh... Green Poison is more an Instruments thing, not a Templar thing, I guess.

[round sinew]

tbf, they've been focused on the other apocalypse.

[ashen jungle]

I did find it funny when they toned it down so much that it basically doesn't effect the world that much when they realised they couldn't end the franchise yet.

[gaunt ice]

I like to think that’s more of a fan service than canon

[round sinew]

Possibly.

[gaunt ice]

Like,there’s the Division LVOA and the Assassin outfit in Wildlands

[round sinew]

Ehhh, bad comparison.

Those are clearly easter eggs.

[sick lantern]

it’s cancelled canon, the guy who connects WD and AC never appears again in AC4 and they say they’re worried about him

[gaunt ice]

I mean,they’re just there and people’s be like “oh cool a reference to other games”

[round sinew]

Because Aiden gunned him down in the street like a dog.

[sick lantern]

indeed, awfully rude of him

[round sinew]

But Legion now has a whole story arc about the Assassin's and Templars in London.

[gaunt ice]

With no mentioning of the Frye twins:(

[round sinew]

Incorrect

It's literally entirely about the Frye twins.

[gaunt ice]

I definitely missed something,gonna rewatch it

Ok new example:the Predator mission in Wildlands

Does that mean Predator and Ghost Recon exists in the same universe?I don’t think so

[round sinew]

Fair. At best it's a gaiden.

[woven basalt]

the license for those expired, sadly.

[round sinew]

Maybe they'll do the smart thing and just fuse the two. I'd kill for a modern day AC game where it's literally just Legion.

It's right there. Just give me what I want instead of what nobody wants with XD.

[gaunt ice]

Idk,the design for this character is really odd

[round sinew]

What character?

Darcy? Because if you mean Darcy, I think it's pretty good.

[gaunt ice]

What’s with the half face cover thingy?

Yup I think Darcy’s her name

[round sinew]

What are you talking about

London has a mask mandate obv

[gaunt ice]

Fair enough

Still,would it be cool if all of Ubi’s games are connected?

[round sinew]

No

[sick lantern]

all of them except AC

then maybe

[round sinew]

They can't even connect all the Tom Clancy games.

[sick lantern]

They could if they were competent

milspec guys doing milspec things

can’t be that hard

[round sinew]

Division can't be applied into the R6/GR/SC canon without major issues.

Best it's left separate.

[sick lantern]

da futurrreee

[round sinew]

Nnnnoooo

WD/AC can go together tho. And they should.

[sick lantern]

AC shouldn’t go with anything because it changes the paradigms of human history and the context that everything exists in

[gaunt ice]

Tbf WD has always give out that massive AC vibe

Just give Aiden a smoke bomb and I’ll happily chew up any WDxAC theory

[round sinew]

^

[mint citrus]

Something Something Buzz Aldrin was a Templar

[sick lantern]

Hitler and Churchill were templars because of course!

[mint citrus]

Oh yeah, the Templars had Kennedy assassinated because of course

Smh

Actually that would explain a lot

[sleek plover]

LMB is definitely Templars

Damn I hate Templars

[woven basalt]

the crossover stuff seems kinda for fun. like how assassin's creed is a video game in wd2.

[cold bramble]

It's a selling point in WD:L

aSsAsSiN's In lOnDoN!

🐔

[woven basalt]

locked behind a season pass.

it's a really cool crossover event, hope theres a FC one at some point.

[obtuse flax]

LMB had a templar vibe

i can agree with that

[brave locust]

Jamestown Aryans

and warrior monks

they exist is Broken Dawn

Nothing a Super 90 couldn't take care of I suppose

[light estuary]

bit disappointed there was no news at gamescom for Heartland or Div 2 content , guess it's going to be 2022 now...

[ashen jungle]

No idea about Heartland, but the div2 content is still on for pre-2022 as far as we're aware.

MSV really don't like revealing stuff too early. WONY info was only unveiled less than 2 months before it dropped.

[mint citrus]

Maybe we'll see when Fall gets here

[ashen jungle]

wait, translating what that is in non-murica.

September right?

[warped iris]

I was wondering one thing, the agents we play and how effective they are

a bunch of lore bits suggest that we are solo for good parts of the story, but even so

doesn't it seem like we're a bit too effective?

[sick lantern]

plot armour and luck I suppose

[ashen jungle]

I mean, the in-mission dialogue is kept vague on purpose, it could be talking to one Agent or a full group.

[warped iris]

I know the division has those what to call em, division from within, the development and maintenance of weapons and all that, logistics, and us the boots on the ground

yes you are right but in certain cases it is implied we are solo

like some of the lore recordings from 2 talking about our agent from 1

[sick lantern]

in Div 1 it’s believable that we start off solo doing the easier stuff, then by the time we have to do the more extreme stuff more agents have arrived

[warped iris]

is there a possibility we're part of an even more trained part of the division?

cause it feels like the first wave were a bunch of crybabies

[ashen jungle]

At some point, you have to bow to game-logic.

[sick lantern]

this is absolutely the case

best description of them i’ve ever heard lol

[ashen jungle]

First-Wave were thrown out there alone, with very little support, a bunch of the support flat-out bailed, I actually feel sorry for a lot of them.

[warped iris]

we tear down most of the enemy factions, we take the fight to them, while the first waves could not defend a bunch of civillians from a group of rikers and had to run away

and I get the lack of support, but it's not like we had much either, as second wave

[ashen jungle]

See, we're coming in after the dust has settled, they were activated during the initial slug-fest that was the initial outbreak.

[warped iris]

I was thinking of it and you have a point

[sick lantern]

which is exactly the situation that SHD agents should thrive in

[warped iris]

but I was thinking, after the dust had settled I assume some factions strapped on their backpacks and got to serious work, more organized, better equipped

[ashen jungle]

Yeah it's kinda like the difference of the prison guards breaking up a fight while the punching is happening, or waiting until someone's KO'd then swooping in.

[ashen jungle]

There's also WAY less of them.

[warped iris]

DC also, there's a bunch of NPC agents we're made aware of, but things seem a bit too dire

until we come and tip the scales quite a lot

[ashen jungle]

remember, most people are dead by now. We're fighting a very limited number of reinforcements, canonically.

[warped iris]

hmm true true

but I wanted to raise another bit of info here

if you recall those cards we get after we kill some of the named characters in DC, in addition also the descriptions of certain enemy archetypes

it seems people do come from outside of DC and join up

like that one Outcast that was never under quarantine but joined up

I'd say yes they are depleted but maybe not that depleted

True Sons also recruiting ex cons

[sick lantern]

I don’t think the first wave had much of an excuse, they got hit with one bad hurdle and jumped ship
it makes more sense that the rogues in the first wave were more selfish and power hungry than they were unprepared and had lost faith in the JTF, as evidenced by the capability of the player characters and Doug Sutton for example

[warped iris]

yeah

they also seem quite capable when confronted

like those LMB encounters, say the police station

just feels like they bailed

and well

take the plot armor out yes, and certain parts of the story maybe taking part in a squad

still feels like our agents are very very influential, more than any ther agent I've seen in the lore

so I was considering what if maybe the Division doesn't have just one contingency plan, what if there's better trained agents just incase shit goes even further south

[gaunt ice]

i guess in every wave you always have that one chad agent who's super badass and can wipe the UN and the Capitol Building in an afternoon

like Keener and his team,us...

[warped iris]

Keener's agents are quite impressive in how much they accomplished imo

ANNA, Eclipse, bringing the factions back on board

[gaunt ice]

fucking noobs,got 360 noscoped by White Death lol

[sick lantern]

like I said, surely there was a full squad of four agents by those missions

[gaunt ice]

ok then 4

4 S+ class agents and a bunch of low level agents

that's all it takes to form a wave i guess?

[sick lantern]

I don’t see what you mean

[gaunt ice]

im saying there's a handful of good agents,and others are just there to fill the space

[warped iris]

in a sense, I doubt we always hada full squad, maybe only in certain missions

[sick lantern]

that’s what I said

[warped iris]

in Division 1 we were the 2 survivors, us and Faye

and 2, well here it makes more sense, more agents coming to DC

[gaunt ice]

i suggested 1 but then changed to 4

[warped iris]

but I do wonder

what the fuck was Kelso doing in all this time

[gaunt ice]

doubt it

[warped iris]

and the other agents in DC

[gaunt ice]

there's probably less important things for us to do,that's what Kelso's doing

[sick lantern]

presumably, The Agent was responsible for early game stuff and over time more second wave agents made it to NYC from across the country

[warped iris]

hmm true

yes they could have come to NY afterwards

[brave locust]

agents went from NYC to DC and whatnot

according to broken dawn

[gaunt ice]

and other DC agents are fucking scrubs that run 6 yellow core face tank when the black tusk shuts down the SHD network

[brave locust]

hell they go to ann arbor

[warped iris]

but yeah in any case it does feel like things are stagnating at best until we show up which makes me think there's varying levels or training in the field agent part of the organisation

[sick lantern]

I think the players’ plot armour can maybe explained by luck and experience

[gaunt ice]

they're all chads

[warped iris]

would also raise the exmaple of Kajika and say Theo

they fight very differently

[gaunt ice]

Theo is still a pretty lowlife tbf

Kajika is like 1 smoke bomb away from becoming an Assassin of the New York Brotherhood

[warped iris]

he's not much in a fight but he accomplished a lot on the backend of things

but take em both in the DC situation we start in, Theo is out of tech, not much of a fighter, Kajika seems far more suited

or even Dragov

Conley seems also to be more about propaganda and technical expertise

[gaunt ice]

i mean,Conley made a flamethrower turret out of scraps and a firetruck according to comms

[warped iris]

yes

just like Theo made ANNA, but neither seems that dangerous in a straight up fight, not like Kajika or Dragov

[sick lantern]

Conley was responsible for The Dragon?

[gaunt ice]

she'll be fine

[brave locust]

what about Mantis

what about Mantis

[warped iris]

fine yes but I doubt she could take either of em

[gaunt ice]

didn't know,but there is a comm about her arguing with a civvie about how lethal flame turrets aren't necessary

[sick lantern]

as a Division Agent or a Cleaner at that time

[gaunt ice]

still an Agent,so i guess nah

[warped iris]

she was trying to make flame turrets for crowd control basically

[sick lantern]

well
I guess they aren’t really necessary but they are incredibly effective as psychological warfare and also you have to take whatever you can get when strapped for resources

[warped iris]

oh for sure

[gaunt ice]

by burning living healthy civilians
ok

[sick lantern]

the threat of burning would as effective as real burning

[woven basalt]

not that it's any indication in itself, but all the E3 agents and promotional materials for both div1 (the "agent" in crossover stuff is one of the three, agent ryan, in wildland and r6) and div2 depict a team of 3.

[gaunt ice]

Technically in the original E3 reveal trailer,there’s 4 agents,3 on the ground and 1 drone operator

Later they scrapped the drone operator idea but it’s still the same

We’ll mostly

[sick lantern]

well it was still up to four players but the drone guy was on a scrapped companion app

[woven basalt]

i wonder how the movie will do it, so far we only know two names attached.

[woven basalt]

man, ngl, that app looked bomb, i hope the mobile game looks more like that than tces.

though if they went like warframe or black desert and made it like an actual div game, that'd be even more bomb.

[cold bramble]

My recollection from the last time I heard that riot control comms, it was Conley arguing with another person that it was in fact fine to make a water cannon that dispensed water at a high pressure

Water cannons have actually killed people in the past https://www.economist.com/asia/2016/10/01/death-by-water-cannon

[brave locust]

Water has been known to be deadly at times

[warped iris]

consider that ever person in this world that drank water eventually died

[brave locust]

crazy

they should do something about that

[quick anvil]

did they remove the story spoilers channel?

[ashen jungle]

It's now #division-universe which covers Lore and everything else connected to Div2 lore.

[quick anvil]

hmmmmmmmm so i had a question about warlords of newyork keener
why is razorback there

[ashen jungle]

BT brought it along with them cause they were peeved at Keener after Coney Island, I'd guess.

[quick anvil]

the dlc was after the raid right?

did they make a new razorback or smt

or the lore is that the division failed the raid

[sick lantern]

if it’s a worthwhile investment then ofc they would build more than one

[quick anvil]

so thats just another one

cool

[ashen jungle]

From what I understand anecdotally, the DH one was "better" in some way, and the WONY one was a kinda cheaper version.
I'm guessing they started building cheaper copies when they realised how effective they were.

[quick anvil]

now thats cool

[ashen jungle]

I love looking at BT like they're a regular corporation, explains so much about them.

[warped iris]

I'd also say it could have potentially been a case of not enough time to deplay

when you play you see that one of the generators is not properly connected

it's possible they did not have time to bring it to full efficiency

[ashen jungle]

I just love the image of the BT bean-counters going "okay this first one cost $50 mil and died in about 5 minutes, we gotta scale production back".

[warped iris]

lol yea

could very well be a cheaper one too

[ashen jungle]

"do we really need the mortars?"

[warped iris]

but imo I still believe it has something to do with the generators

just 1 instead of 4

[ashen jungle]

"and about this hole on the back that you can very easily throw a grenade down...."

"it's a bit star wars, isn't it?"

[warped iris]

still this makes me think they thought of us

being polite and giving us a way to sabotage it

[ashen jungle]

"we know the SHD are gonna break it, why dont we make a fake one and secretly have our real stuff elsewhere"

and then the wrong one got shipped out.

[warped iris]

I'd reckon someone in charge of logistics got overwhelmed with all the loses in DC and the piled up stress lead to this mistake

also I wanted to say

isn't it a shame Tchernenko doesn't appear at the White House?

[ashen jungle]

Uh he does.

[warped iris]

wait really

where

[ashen jungle]

Yep, in the room with the Reactor that we stole.

[warped iris]

I never see him there

[ashen jungle]

Schaeffer is still missing tho, I assume he's in a coma somewhere.

i like to imagine a full-body cast.

[warped iris]

that room is always empty for me, I always assume it was overlooked

[ashen jungle]

There's a guy in there, looks like the russian dude to me, but I can't imagine it'd be anyone else.

[warped iris]

maybe I should check again but it could be a bug

lately I've been seeing certain NPC interactions go voiceless as well

side missions with no voice, NPCs on the streets not saying anything

[ashen jungle]

Honestly wouldn't shock me if he's occasionally elsewhere. Some NPCs do go on strolls.

[warped iris]

could be a thing but I've been in the room so many times I think I should have met him

does he say anything?

[ashen jungle]

Not that I remember, but I've had dialogue off 90% of the time since 2020 started.

[mint citrus]

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of miss the JTF a bit

[tiny wraith]

Afternoon odder and rivens

[mint citrus]

Ridgeway somehow convinced a large majority of them to join him, most we see are dead

[tiny wraith]

Hell the jtf and lmb should have joined forces

[mint citrus]

In WONY some did apparently

[tiny wraith]

D1 should of had the option to join the 2

[sick lantern]

the JTF and LMB were ideologically opposed to each other, the only possible “alliance” would’ve been surrender and dissolution probably

[tiny wraith]

It was just there boss that was a psyco

The rest were fine

[sick lantern]

considering they gladly followed his orders, not really

[ashen jungle]

Actually listening/watching the info from div1 about the LMB, hoo boy yeah they were the opposite of fine.

[sick lantern]

they are partially former CIA after all

[ashen jungle]

I like to think they're all secretly the guy from Just Cause wannabees.

[sick lantern]

(according to the wiki, i don’t actually know the source)

[ashen jungle]

With the wiki I just assume "someone made it up".

[sick lantern]

I feel like it probably comes from The World of The Division

question mark

[ashen jungle]

or if you're that one lore youtuber, you find a pre-release tweet and everyone praises you for it.

[woven basalt]

which part? the cia thing? that user who loves the lmb verified they also hired some former cia agents.
#division-universe message

[tiny wraith]

The lmb were mainly pmcs

[ashen jungle]

the LMB were a PMC, but PMCs hire from other places.

[tiny wraith]

True probably lot of ex military

Some good lot bad

[ashen jungle]

From knowing irl ones, they hire anyone who can be useful.
so a lot of "specialists", researchers, techs, etc, etc.

[warped iris]

JTF and LMB were set to cooperate at first but it didn't materialize

[sick lantern]

I don't think that's true

[warped iris]

"Tired of indecisive local authorities, their commander, Charles Bliss, took matters into his own hands, disobeying direct orders and executing a JTF official—effectively turning his entire company and himself into mutineers."

in a sense, they weren't allies yes, but they were meant to stay out of eachother's way, which is the closest thing you got to an ally in the Manhattan mess

[brave locust]

I want to read more about the Jamestown Aryans

They seem fucked up but briefly mentioned in Broken Dawn

[woven basalt]

the jamestown cannibals sound far more interesting.

the other group sounds like a generic white-power group.

[brave locust]

blame it on alex irvine

i wonder why they switched authors for the books

but nothing is official yet

[viscid egret]

:0

[mint citrus]

Welp.

[quasi idol]

What is this FORUM for?

What do you they mean by the extended universe of The Div game?

[spare arrow]

Extended universe as in the audiobooks, comics, and the lore of Div's universe.

[ashen jungle]

I miss a tag again?

[tiny wraith]

Rivens I looked back nope you didnt

[ashen jungle]

There was 100% a tag while I was gone tho

[tiny wraith]

Might be farther back anyway have a great night,tag good night

Time for sleep

[quick anvil]

is there going to be any new contant in div2 any time soon?

[ashen jungle]

The official word as of right now is "before 2022".

[paper drum]

Or end of 2021

[sleek plover]

damn i hate LMB

[brave locust]

yeah we get it

what have they personally done to you to hate them so much

[gaunt ice]

he has a thing for neo nazis

it's like Kryptonite to him

[brave locust]

There is no more LMB anyways

Isn't it assumed they all joined up with BT?

[warped iris]

most did yes, some joined JTF

[brave locust]

maybe they thought long and hard about what they did

[warped iris]

some actually did in recordings we find

in 1 that is

[brave locust]

thats essentially the whole story for whats his name in the new star wars movies

[warped iris]

there was this one member that was tired of killing civillians but was urged to stay to provide inside info the JTF

[brave locust]

finn or the ex stormtrooper

[warped iris]

oh yeah

[brave locust]

i forget his name. i wanna say finn

[warped iris]

I forgot it too but I know who you mean

some of those who joined JTF were guarding Wall Street before the Rikers took over

[brave locust]

i might replay D1, i logged in last month and the piers were new to me

never heard of them before either lol

[warped iris]

I am doing it right now, for the nostalgia really

[brave locust]

last i remember was the underground update

[warped iris]

granted many of the side activities are rather filler but eh

we got Underground, Survival, Resistance and Last Stand

[sick lantern]

damn dude that was 1.2 or 1.3

[warped iris]

west side piers was a prototype to Div 2 in a sense, how the open world worked, more randomized

[brave locust]

i remember survival and some incursions

its been a few years for sure

i have part of a strikers build still

and theres classified gear? jesus

its so confusing, you cant mix and match

i remember when they added the world tiers

[warped iris]

treat them as separate sets basically

[brave locust]

ouch

[sick lantern]

if you want hybrid gear set builds you need a ninjabike backpack, they kinda work

[brave locust]

i have 1 mask in d1

the flame one

[sick lantern]

another GE is starting soon, you should play then maybe

you can get masks and the game will be more lively

[brave locust]

i wish i was able to get the iconic d1 jacket for d2

didnt even own d2 at the time

[warped iris]

what stops you fren

[ashen jungle]

They stopped the Shield Reward System ages back.
it was only meant to last for a little while, ended up being live for yonks.

[warped iris]

wait really it's off now?

damn

[ashen jungle]

Yeah, to be fair it was only ever intended to get div1 players to jump over to div2, and it worked.

and also to be fair, I have the Jacket, it looks like it's made from cardboard.

[gaunt ice]

Wait the shield thing is dead now?

[ashen jungle]

Turned off when the ubi-connect thing changed.

[gaunt ice]

noooooooo

I was gonna grind the whole thing

[sick lantern]

can’t you contact ubisoft support to get the rewards?

[ashen jungle]

afaik the entire program is gone, and if you didn't earn them before it went, it's just gone for good.

[sick lantern]

ain’t what the sales say

[ashen jungle]

Weird, that didn't tag me.

[sick lantern]

i turned the ping off

[spare arrow]

ping go " "

[ashen jungle]

Yep, still no ping.

discord acting all weird lately.

[tiny wraith]

Rivens did you get your tag

[ashen jungle]

...no.

[tiny wraith]

Ok tag your it

By the way good afternoon rivens and aspect

[brave locust]

No it’s gone for good

[kindred pelican]

Any heartland news ?

[sick lantern]

nope

[crystal nymph]

dude if heartland flops

prolly will

[round sinew]

It won't.

[gaunt ice]

why though?

what makes you so confident?

[crystal nymph]

i mean ubis a lil

it's had its fair share of flop launches and then they got more popular

look at r6 it had a rly bad launch and now it's one of the most popular games in the world

at least it has a chance

[tiny wraith]

I've played it

Tested it

[sleek plover]

was it good?

[slow siren]

still in pre alpha state i think

[tiny wraith]

No its passed beta ready for release

I enjoyed it

[sleek plover]

are there enemy factions?

[sick lantern]

well we all know there’s at least one

[crystal nymph]

prolly changed a bit but how did it work?
or r u not allowed to say

[unreal widget]

Those kind of tests are under NDA, not allowed to say anything.

[crystal nymph]

yea thought so

nvm

[cold bramble]

NDA is serious too I heard a friend if mine had to make a new steam account due to leaking Info

[woven basalt]

you're more correct.

[gaunt ice]

no lmb for now

cleaners,outcast,wolfs(ghost recon breakpoint) and the bad guys in Splinter Cells(Echelon was their name right?)

[sleek plover]

I emant heartlands

[sick lantern]

that’s XDefiant

[gaunt ice]

i thought he was asking about xdefiant:(

fuck me

[woven basalt]

wolves, and the 3rd ech were only the "bad guys" in one game, otherwise they are the good guys before that, and replaced by the 4th in the game after it.

[tiny wraith]

@crystal nymph not untill the ads show then all bets off

[woven basalt]

the NDA goes up to 2024, not whenever the marketing starts.

[crystal nymph]

well then they're prolly not gonna release for a while if the agreements so long

unless that's just ensuring u cant until it's 100% ready

[woven basalt]

pretty much the 2nd one. these things usually run a ways after release.

[gaunt ice]

iirc they started to be a thing in 1 game

[woven basalt]

yeah, only in the 5th game, then sam took over in the 6th and called them the 4th.

[plush crypt]

is vegas covered in sand spec ops the line style

[woven basalt]

hmm... what do we even know about the west coast?

can't recall anything off the top of my head

@gaunt ice you remember anything about the west coast?

[plush crypt]

they've also been hit by the virus i think

[ashen jungle]

The entire world has been hit by the virus, there's a map at the start of div2 showing it's not just the US.

[woven basalt]

remember what was happening on the west coast? i'm drawing a blank.

[ashen jungle]

Dead people, like everywhere else.

it's the apocalypse, pretty much the same no matter where you look.

[woven basalt]

did they say anything about nevada?

[ashen jungle]

I don't think you're getting just the mounds of bodies everywhere.
ya know how in WONY there's just pits full of them? That, but in 'Vegas.

[gaunt ice]

Keener mentioned it in one of his comms that the Coast Guards can be bribed and he used them to sneak people out of the city

some last part of his morale

man he is really a badass in those comms

there's this part when a thug is threatening 2 civvies,asking "Who's gonna care about "New York's Bravest"?"
"I CARE.",just fucking Batman the dude

[ashen jungle]

The Classified Mission for the Outcasts where they're just ferrying people+supplies in and out of the city kinda take away that cool factor, I feel.

[gaunt ice]

they'll probably die off anyway,we cut their heads off,and they're like the weakest faction when it comes to actual combat skills since they are formed of civilians

Hyenas are kinda the same,but they're super buffed thanks to some spices so their actions are more irrational->more gruesome tactics