division-universe

[gaunt ice]

It’s like when you try to bring online jokes to tell your friends at school,and theyre all like “not funny”

[lilac mason]

Same principle different energy, dude was giving off big "crazy ass uncle" vibe

[gaunt ice]

If he had lived through that,he just might have started his own company of mud-proof gear

And try to convince Felix to join him

Still,Mercury is still funnier than Magnus

[lilac mason]

Truth be told, from what little I experienced div1 map, it was more interesting than div 2

@gaunt ice my heart is with Belfry, loved how the comms are just him asking the other rogues about the supplies

[sick lantern]

ok so when i placed a waypoint on the gear container which is near the right place, the waypoint took me over a sky bridge to a different building? which also has a slightly snazzy roof

[gaunt ice]

“Hey we need a cool ass Codename,you got one?”
“I went to this museum once and I like this planet,so yeah”

[sick lantern]

the piano doesn’t make noise when you shoot it ):

looks like Keener emptied the deli bar and then left lol

[lilac mason]

Yeah that makes sense, K boy wouldve gone on the run soon after the campaign started

That said, I should finish div1 story and go exploring

Theres not that much to see in DC

[sick lantern]

you should, doing all collectibles and side missions is quite fun, you have to scrounge around in some places you wouldn’t care about otherwise

[lilac mason]

Div2 lost out hard in this aspect

The map apart from some selected areas and contam zones are not that interesting

[sick lantern]

yea, plus even if they not utilised entirely well in game, NYC has better landmarks imo

grand central looks great

[lilac mason]

Yeah, i know how some parts of NY are a bit empty, but seems like the amount of interesting areas win out

Havnt gone to grand central yet, but the mission areas look real nice, especially with times square

[gaunt ice]

I just saw this joke on reddit

“Consumptions of drugs and alcohol are forbidden in the safe area.”
Damm,I sure hope nobody smokes.870swagger is a great dps and his team needs him a lot

[sick lantern]

the whole game looks great but the Midtown area especially is just nice to be in,
GCT, The Library, Billionaire’s Row (DZ07)

[sleek plover]

there is a beer brand named grimbergen

it looks like shd emblem

[left radish]

a lil bit

[languid prawn]

not really

[sick lantern]

it shows a Phoenix which is essential imagery to the SHD

so it kinda does

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

[sick lantern]

sometimes i do too
what’s happened

[exotic patio]

Honestly if you hate LMB then by extension you hate the Black Tusk too lol. BT absorbed whatever was left of them.

[sick lantern]

they are both military corporations trying to take over the US ( or at least part of it)

not exactly too likeable regardless

one of the missing agents in Div 1 lends credence to the Russian interference theory 🤔

[lime plaza]

So, what happens when you max out your watch level? Like, get to level 1000? Does it unlock anything cool like alluded to after you kill keener?

[spare arrow]

when you max your watch at level 999 you get scavenging points every level

[willow current]

You can get a lot of SHD calibration that way

[lilac mason]

Rikers!
RIIIIKERRSSS!!
OUR ENEMIES HIDE BEHIND MEHTUL SHEELDSESS!!!
THE COWARDS!! THE FEWLZZ!!!
WE...[gas mask asthmatic heaving]
We should take away...their mehtul sheeldses...

[sick lantern]

wat

[crisp wedge]

wow faye bad big shock

Kinda feel bad about killing all them rikers tho, murdered a family 😢

Keener: "you have no idea what's coming"

Bruh like an ass load of comms talk about illuminerty lol

Even the Alexa Echo app has shit on them

[gaunt ice]

I mean,ignoring how Rikers kill everyone on sight,yeah it’s a pretty chill family

[sleek plover]

exactly, i definitely hate them too.

i hate true sons and cleaners as well

[gaunt ice]

have we ever discussed about how flawed we are?

like,the supposed "good guys"

[sick lantern]

yes it’s brought up many a time

but the SHD and JTF are trying to do good which is more than can be said for almost everyone else in the franchise

[willow current]

Cleaners and LMB were trying to do good too

[sick lantern]

LMB were overbearing in keeping citizens “safe” and hampered the JTF efforts to rebuild

[willow current]

They tried to keep the city safe

[sick lantern]

Cleaners believed in the greater good

[plain junco]

and burning people who they thought has the disease

[sick lantern]

they had good intentions they just weren’t entirely in the know

[willow current]

Lmb had good intentions too

[tight raft]

Good intentions but burning children with flamethrowers. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[tardy trail]

What's the LMB?

[sick lantern]

bruh

Last Man Battalion, a private military company that was contracted to secure wall street assets and other “rich folks stuff” during the outbreak

when they became trapped in the quarantine, they betrayed their contract and wider company and tried to seize power in Manhattan through facist rule

the most threatening hostile faction in Division 1, they made their HQ in the United Nations

after the loss of their main base as well suffering many other defeats (Falcon Lost, Underground) they were scattered and weak, teaming up with the other hostile factions in West Side Piers, eventually their remnants were absorbed by the Black Tusk to form the BTSU

[lethal cedar]

their most feared units in Division 1 is most likely the Rusher with their Squad Leads

rushers with 1 hit kill melee and ranged, and squad lead buff them with even more health

[sick lantern]

Rushers can’t OHKO melee except on Legendary, and i don’t think that even on Legendary they one shot with the shotguns

[lethal cedar]

they do leave you with 1 mm of health on hit

that is, if there's only one guy shooting at you

[sick lantern]

so yes, they don’t one shot

[lethal cedar]

comparing riker rusher and LMB rusher, which one do you think is more lethal ?

[sick lantern]

below legendary LMB rushers will electrocute themselves if you shoot them fast enough, i don’t think you can really say either is stronger

[lethal cedar]

equally annoying, that's for sure, but there's Bobcat, and then there's legendary rushers

[willow current]

And the medics are really annoying too, especially if the box is places in an obnoxious spot

[willow current]

Have you mentioned their extraordinarily high running speed yet?

[willow current]

Phase one LMB rushers have AR's they use while running towards you

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

and LMB kills civilian social workers

[sick lantern]

i mean we know for a fact that they kill civilians but social workers? when did they specifically target social workers

[crisp wedge]

So maybe with the rogue network being up now

Like, in div 3 there will be a rogue and a non rogue path?

Kinda like Horde or Alliance during certain expansions :p

Different sides same path ehh

[sick lantern]

well that was set up in Division 1 to be a possibility in 2 and they didn’t do it, so don’t get your hopes up

[crisp wedge]

Rogue network didn't exist in div 1 tho

[sick lantern]

didn’t stop Rogue agents from kicking ass

Keener certainly thrived, his allies all had access to SHD skills, the Underground rogue agent got off scot free

and ofc many second wave agents went rogue in the DZ and did fine

[crisp wedge]

Just wifi issues

kek

The no wifi agents

[willow current]

They warn the civilians and don't shoot them if the civilians don't get too close to them

[sleek plover]

An LMB squad is opening fire on random groups of civilian aid workers.

actual bounty quote

also "LMB officers are forcing civilians to enter infected zones to search for loot."

"An LMB officer is pressganging civilians into a suicide squad"

"LMB operatives are executing doctors and seizing medical supplies."

"LMB medics are raiding refugee clinics for drugs."

those are actual bounty descriptions

seriously, fascism and tyranny is the worst sin capable by mankind, and LMB is an embodiment of it in the game

If i have to choose between tyranny and utter chaos, i will choose chaos without even an hesitation

[willow current]

They tried to restore order in a city that had no order

[sleek plover]

by oppressing the weak and the vulnerable

and gunning down anyone who disobeys them

[willow current]

That way you get order

[sleek plover]

and also extorting and conscripting civilians

that kind of order is wrong

seriously im not even in my usual freedom cultist shitpost persona right now

[willow current]

Most of the people left were criminals or psychopaths

[sleek plover]

really? there were plenty of citizens to rebuild

[willow current]

At least they usually warned the real civilians

[sleek plover]

and lmb would just enslave them

[willow current]

The only thing i blame them is shooting dogs

[sleek plover]

that kind of order is wrong

[willow current]

That really is evil

[sleek plover]

seriously look at myanmar rite now

that is what happens if lmb thing is going on in real life

also. look at china massacring protestors at hong kong

[willow current]

Better to have LMB than criminal gangs ruling the city

[sleek plover]

seriously, i cant believe why would anyone in a right state of.mind would ever defend lmb or true sons in real life

[willow current]

Or psychopaths burning you down at sight

[sleek plover]

no democracy is the only way

everything else is evil

and serioysly, we play as division agents restoring order the right way

[willow current]

Democracy fell in their world long before that

[sleek plover]

the LMB are just as evil as the rikers or other factions

and seriously i cant believe why anyone would think they are worthy of defending in real life

and im not even in my usual i hate lmb persona right now jesus christ

[willow current]

No, irl I won't defend them, but in the situation they were in they did not have a lot of other options

[sleek plover]

i mean we are already playing as division agents restoring order the right way while.lmb just became tyrants threatening civilians

if I ever in a disaster situation where lmb guys happen irl, i will literally join the resistance and fight to my death

im am an antifa irl anyways

[willow current]

I think if I was in a situation like that, I'd rather live in a neighborhood ruled by LMB than in one ruled by rikers or cleaners

If you listened to the LMB's orders, they wouldn't have killed you

[crisp wedge]

Division agents were cleaning out the trash lol

[sleek plover]

because they are evil

[crisp wedge]

We still don't know the true origin and plan for the division though

[sleek plover]

they do not have any right to order anyone around

[sleek plover]

exactly, in the end lmb were nothing but nuisance while division is handling order the right way

[crisp wedge]

We know the illuminerty hired black tusk to get rid of us or something and take over for them

But also the illuminerty wants to get rid of the black tusk

Idunno

Maybe the illuminerty were planning on wiping out the black tusk, and bardon used whatever dirt he had to negotiate a deal ensuring their survival, and all they had to do is do to keep themselves alive is whatever the illuminerty wanted them to do

That's probably what actually happened lol

[sleek plover]

i mean tbh i dont care what division plan is meant to do

what is important is that we play as division protecting the citizens and liberating oppressed areqs

black tusks and the illuminati guys behind it is just another evil to be purged

[crisp wedge]

Behind what? lol

They weren't behind Amherst, that shit just happened

[sleek plover]

well its gonna take div 3 to actuallt get rid of black tusks

but eventually i think we will

[crisp wedge]

Or the illuminerty does first lol

once they've outlived their usefulness :p

the only reason black tusk members aren't all dead is because of whatever information Bardon had to negotiate their survival with the illuminerty

[sleek plover]

but still btsu seems to be their omly martial wing

[crisp wedge]

I think it's heavily implied that this organisation isn't limited to one country, they rule the entire world perhaps.

Seems a bit weird if it's just murica

Black tusk are just mercs they were using lol

[sick lantern]

George W Bush created Directive 51 due to the results of Operation Dark Winter
also, it’s “Illuminati” ~~ or are you doing it on purpose~~

[crisp wedge]

On purpose

It's likely that the illuminerty tapped into the recruitment of the operatives

Because they let some real nut jobs in, I think the shitty recrooters who were doing a bad job were planted by the illuminerty, and the ones who were saying "why tf would we recruit these people" were legit

So kinda like how the Sith took over the clone trooper thing :p

Ehh really dunno though

Maybe they helped Amherst spread the money, almost wipe out humanity, take back control after the division has done it's job then rule the world for reals? lol

Really need to know what the information Bardon had

Because it was enough to strike a deal with the string pullers 👀

[sick lantern]

surely it’s easier to rule the world when there are governments, police and militaries to actually consolidate your control? and not when humanity is made up of scattered and selfish groups of survivalists, bandits and scavengers

[crisp wedge]

Yeah I really don't know

Probably didn't do that

Although they're doing something now at least

Now that the world has gone to shit they at least want to take back control themselves

Although they wanted Keener

I guess they want complete control over any form of the virus and the cures? eh

[sick lantern]

the ever faceless and nameless “they”

[crisp wedge]

Well the real name for them so far is string pullers lol

But I hate saying that every time, too long :p

[sick lantern]

it’s a boring plot that’s been done a thousand times before, i hope they drop it

[crisp wedge]

When? Enclave in Fallout and where else? lol

[sick lantern]

Assassin’s Creed, Payday 2- any kind of shadowy government conspiracy plot is overdone and blasé

[crisp wedge]

Assassin's Creed is very different though

[sick lantern]

it’s the same concept- the plucky and rugged player characters have to face down the large group pulling all the strings behind the scenes

[crisp wedge]

Templars have always been out in the open pretty much

Even back when they were the cult, they were very open lmao

The Assassins are more secretive lmao

[sick lantern]

what are you on about mate, that’s not even remotely true

the templars are out in the open how? when they influence elections? Hitler and Churchill were openly declaring that they were both Templars?

[plain junco]

the templars have never been out in the open

the order is just a much of a secret like the assassin's are - they work behind the scenes manipulating events

[sleek plover]

ihope there is a anti-hunter gearset someday

which is designed specifically to hunt hunters but weak to everything else

[sick lantern]

that would be a bad idea

[gaunt ice]

i got a better idea

a set that deals higher damage to enemies with tanky health,but steadily reduces when their health drops

[crisp wedge]

Borgia are very out in the open, Abstergo Industries, the actual Templar crusaders lol. They act very much in the open

[sick lantern]

“yes we are templars, we are part of an ancient conspiracy to rule the world”

[plain junco]

i -- they did not openly state anywhere they were templars except to other templars and to assassin's

like just because they were Templar crusaders doesn't equate to the templars/abstergo???

if anything it was a 'hehe look at this and no one will know'

[copper kraken]

raid 2 6 türkçe bilen ajan kanal 1

[spare arrow]

use #lfg-raid-pc for that, also this is an english server, friend

[sick lantern]

he’s copy pasted this in a few channels

[dusk dove]

we got it.

[astral viper]

my wife asked a super good question yday, who actually makes all the ammo if the entire world is at war and there is constant fighting going on everywhere?

especially when factories are obviously extremely hindered, ofc you can hire people for it specifically, but you are still not gonna hit the volumes we have in modern times, not even to speak of all the resources you need to actually produce the ammo

[vivid inlet]

Hmmm I don't know either

[gaunt ice]

spare ammos from the older times?i guess?

[cloud nova]

@astral viper If we are talking about the game, while in NY there is a side mission at the federal reserve. The Rikers have been turning gold bars into Ammo which is seen by the boxes of ammo laying about in the mission and Kelso's comments. As for DC I'm not a hundred percent sure but I would expect them to use supplies captured from The True Sons and the like.

[gaunt ice]

so Golden Bullets are a thing?

[lethal cedar]

the federal reserve gives some lore about the Bullet King too, since BK shoots pure golden bullet

as for the Golden Bullet event, it is more of a metaphorical "golden bullet", like those silver bullet on wolf thing

[outer sluice]

so after i killed that bitch faye lau where does the story go from here

she killed the president our government is fucked what is next

[spare arrow]

You do remember that Ellis was working with Black Tusk, yes?

[outer sluice]

oh yeh black tusk still a thing 😭

[granite valley]

So after this season, what's next?

[unreal widget]

We don't know yet

[whole spear]

my guess is we're going to shutdown anna

[willow current]

Or go after sokolova

[cold bramble]

i'm still curious as to what's up with the no rogue agent deceased for faye cause she was a pretty big deal

[sick lantern]

well you’d have to be pretty stupid to be fighting a war and not have factories making munitions

[sleek plover]

Maybe ammo shortage WILL be a problem later on in storyline. TBH i think abundance of ammo in game is just game mechanics. I mean in the end LMB , True Sons, Hyenas, cleaners, rikers are just 1-city thing themselves and probably not as much as populated as en entire nations worth of army especially considering the green flu death toll.

[cold bramble]

aight fixed my name had changed it for a joke

[sleek plover]

also true sons did occupy a foundry

and damn I hate LMB

how many people would black tusks even have? i mean they are still one pmc corporation

[cold bramble]

idk i killed a couple thousand at least

so they must have quite a bit of men

[sleek plover]

i heard somewhere that in their prime blackwater had about 5000 people
so we can assume rest of the factions may have simillar manpower while SHD being the smallest considerinf they are an elite spec-ops designed to restore society.

Outcasts are gonna be relatively small-time considering they originated from people in quarantine and their affliction of green flu and use of suicide units.
True sons are also easier to assume which they consist of portion of ex jtf and newer recruits with criminal backgrounds.

Hyenas are a relatively looser alliance of different gangs in DC, so we can assume about a cartel sized population or a large crime family
A Los Angeles Crips gang is known to have about 30,000 members and they are probably one of the largest gangs in US alongside their rivals the bloods, so it is easier to assume that hyenas have simillar numbers as such large scale criminal organization.
but green poison may have decimated a lot of people, perhaps even in scale of 10,000s so most of them are from remaining gang members which may consist of about 300 at most

as for cleaners they are implied mostly but not ENTIRELY made out of sanitation engineers. and wikipedia says there are about 7,000 sanitation engineers in New York but due to green poison attrition they are gonna be much much less
Riker Island prison population, according to google, is about 11,355, still lot of people probably died in green flu especially in an environment like the prison

so we can assume that average enemy faction population is about, well, several thousands
as for LMB, im pretty sure they are more small scale than the black tusks as a pmc company mostly because bt has international backing and LMB has backgrounds on former us army ans special forces.
also battalion as a unit consists of 300-1000 people but i think battalion is more of their brand name rather than reflection of their actual population.
damn i hate them

so tl:dr: it is reasonable to assume each factions are about populated in 5000-7000 in average and much smaller thanks to the green poison. And the SHD remains to be the least populated and all of the battles in-game are in fact quite small scaled.

also none of the sources I referenced are verified and reliable, mostly its just a result of on-the-spot googling

[willow current]

Think about this: if the LMB launched the missile on the helicopter a few seconds later, our first game's agent would have been in it and we would have died

Meaning they probably would have been able to get total control over the city

[sick lantern]

or if the Rikers had attacked the SAM site earlier, there would’ve been a lot more Second Wave agents in Manhattan

[willow current]

If the rikers attacked the site earlier, the LMB would have been able to properly defend the place

Bliss was still alive and so was their moral

[sick lantern]

they were deep in Rikers’ territory too

[willow current]

Well, DZ6 and 7 were LMB territory and the SAM site is next to those DZs

[sick lantern]

i think before the agent arrived the Rikers could stand up to the LMB

[willow current]

If the agent hadn't arrived, the rikers would never have been able to defeat LMB

The SAM site used to have a lot of rogues etc

[sick lantern]

since when? when are we told this

sure you’re not getting it confused with Falcon Lost?

[raw escarp]

Kind of bummed nobody tweeted anything official today, even a 'hey we know your expecting an update but it just won't be today' would have been nice

[willow current]

When listening to comms, keener said to bliss: "Firing a missile to the helicopter of the senior division command was as much of a benefit to you as it was to me"

The rest of the comm also implies the rogues helped

[sick lantern]

yea he was talking to Keener, who provided the information on the incoming second wave
that doesn’t mean that rogue agents were guarding the area

Rikers can and have killed First Wave agents before

in Times Square and also Noble Squad

[willow current]

But never when they were also accompanied by lots of LMB

[willow current]

It does imply they were there once, and they could get there

[sick lantern]

no it literally doesn’t, it’s not like the LMB could just pull rogues out of their arse

there’s no evidence to suggest that rogue agents were personally guarding the SAM Site

Keener didn’t launch the missile himself

[willow current]

Keener said: "..., I get a BoO, a place on what is going to be on the winning side. And the occasional use of your manpower as needed."
Bliss: "Not to mention the occasional surface to air missile. Or did you forget about that chopper in brooklyn?"
Keener: "Look, my people did the dirty work on that op, Bliss."

I am not saying keener launched it, but i am saying his rogues did

[sick lantern]

“the dirty work” implying behind the scenes, intel gathering

it doesn’t take rogue agents to go up to a SAM site, aim and fire it

[willow current]

Well, it does not directly say they fired the missile, but if they already got that intel to bliss, why would he not let them go there?

[sick lantern]

because there’s literally no reason to? a secure LMB compound with troops can do it perfectly fine on their own

[willow current]

So why not let a rogue be there to see if the operation goed well

[sick lantern]

because there is literally no point

[willow current]

If you gave the order to launch a missile, do you want to see it fly away? I sure would

[sick lantern]

that doesn’t mean they stuck around

they probably were living it up in Midtown like Keener was

[willow current]

They could have been anywhere in manhattan, the other factions probably did not know they were rogue

[sick lantern]

that is literally just pedantics

but they probably had to mostly stay in LMB controlled territory so they could go where the LMB needs them

you act like Keener wasn’t living it up in a high end penthouse apartment

[willow current]

He was busy making eclipse in secret

Or did you forget about the echo in unknown signal

[sick lantern]

eclipse virus is bullshit and also he didn’t start working on it until he left the LMB

[willow current]

He already had Vitaly and the machine

[sick lantern]

No he didn’t

he took Vitaly from the UN HQ when the JTF attacked, and that’s when he went to Amherst’s Lab

[willow current]

He already researched things about the origin of the virus when he was with LMB

And most likely even before

[sick lantern]

that doesn’t mean he had Amherst’s research

most of his effort while he was with the LMB was devoted to them, his long term plans for virus research hadn’t quite been put into action yet

he had ideas yes

as evidenced by the audio log

[willow current]

He already knew where armherst lab was when he backstabbed the LMB

[sick lantern]

yes and he only went there after

his plans to use the LMB were over

so he went to his alternate plan

[willow current]

We don't know when the echo was made

Maybe he hid the printer etc somewhere

[sick lantern]

no i’m pretty sure Keener mentions having Vitaly in that echo

i’m gonna check

[willow current]

He technically already had him when he got out of the consulate

He just did not leave the lmb with him yet

[sick lantern]

no Vitaly was in the UN HQ until Keener took him during the JTF attack

[whole spear]

any explanation about what's anna after liberty island mission?

[sick lantern]

and he didn’t plan to betray the LMB until then

[willow current]

Who says keener was not there?

[sick lantern]

what?

[willow current]

I mean, keener was the leader of an important part of the LMB's soldiers

[sick lantern]

you’re acting like rogue agents can and should just deploy to whatever operation they want

[willow current]

I am not

But all rogues listened to keener

[sick lantern]

Hornet was at the Russian Consulate, Keener didn’t need to be there

[willow current]

I never said keener was there

[sick lantern]

“Who says keener was not there?” what did you mean by this

[willow current]

I meant in the UN

[sick lantern]

he was there

and then he ran away with Tchernenko

[willow current]

I know

But he already was there before we assaulted it

[sick lantern]

no shit

[willow current]

So he may have interrogated vitaly

A long time

But my point was that keener had vitaly the moment lmb captured him because they both probably were in the UN the entire time

[sick lantern]

well actually no he didn’t, he was in LMB custody and then Keener nabbed him

Keener couldn’t just do whatever he wanted as long as the LMB were around

[willow current]

Then why did lmb want tchernenko

[sick lantern]

to screw over the JTF, and because an immunologist is a very useful thing to have in the midst of a pandemic

[willow current]

Does not really seem like the main reason why

And the lmb tried to get him out of there before they thought we were a threat

[sick lantern]

lolwut? if that was true they would’ve nabbed him before the agent even landed in new york

[willow current]

I assume they tried the moment the mission was discovered

[willow current]

No one knew vitaly was there at that moment, we knew because of his call

The mission was discovered before we assaulted other lmb sites

[sick lantern]

I know that, what’s the point you’re trying to make

[willow current]

You said the lmb could have gotten him before we were on manhattan but that is not true

[sick lantern]

they would’ve known that if they picked up his signal we would’ve too

[willow current]

Which was after we landed

[sick lantern]

when you said “And the lmb tried to get him out of there before they thought we were a threat”, that’s blatantly not true because they knew we would be coming

[willow current]

How do you know they did?

[sick lantern]

because they would most definitely know that if they picked up the signal so would we

[willow current]

But maybe they just wanted him

Without realizing we would go after him

[sick lantern]

there is no way that is true

[willow current]

Because the lmb did not see the jtf as a threat until we took them down

[sick lantern]

again also not true, the LMB would be pretty stupid to think that the force that made sweeping territory gains in days and stomped out swathes of hostiles, is not a threat

[willow current]

I got that from a comm

After discussing other factions, this fragment occurs:
LMB soldier 1: "And what about the JTF?"
LMB soldier 2: "Ha, are they still even in this city?"

[sick lantern]

a handful of individuals destroyed the LMB ambush at the Police Academy- the LMB are simply not stupid enough to think what you are saying they do

and that comm is presumably from before we arrive in the city

when the JTF were losing

[willow current]

And the mission was discovered when we did not assault the academy yet

[sick lantern]

no, Police Academy is the first LMB mission

[willow current]

And the previous medical mission is armhersts apartment

And you don't find missions in exact level order

But in a kind of random order

[sick lantern]

what are you even saying dude

Police Academy happened before Russian Consulate, it’s a fact

[willow current]

LMB was in consulate before academy happened

[sick lantern]

if they were they would’ve taken Tchernenko before we arrived

[willow current]

Those russian safehouses can be pretty hard to get into

And we don't know how long the time in between was

[sick lantern]

lmaooo the reaching

they blew down one wall and were done

[willow current]

If it was only 1 or 2 days in between, it is plausible enough

[willow current]

They blew it down because we were there

First they tried to get in by hacking the access of the door

[sick lantern]

if they have no problem with shooting the consulate staff they definitely don’t have a problem with using one breaching charge

you think they laid siege to the building for a day and Tchernenko was still talking to them by the time we arrived?

[willow current]

Have you ever played the mission? If you did, you can see they tried to override access to the door to get into the room

[willow current]

Maybe he heared shooting?

[sick lantern]

yea a likely story lol

the LMB kill all the security in the building, then a day later Tchernenko gets worried about the sounds of shooting

[willow current]

There only were a few people in the consulate

Its not like they had to kill the entire russian army just to get to him

[sick lantern]

which is more evidence that if they were there a day before us they would’ve gotten Tchernenko and left with relative ease

[willow current]

They were thinking they could have left with relative ease anyway. The squad you kill before you talk to vitaly says: "There is JTF on site, but there's nothing we can't handle"

Terrible communication between the squads by the way

[sick lantern]

look mate, i have better things to do with my time than to argue about your bogus timeline

[willow current]

Listen, the fact is we are not sure. They can both be true.

[sick lantern]

i doubt that but whatever

[willow current]

The only way we will really get to know everything is if we get a prequel

If the devs read this, I want a prequel, it will be cool

[vivid inlet]

But what kind of storyline would there be to talk about

[cold bramble]

honestly, idk

[marble granite]

ok Faye Lau is dead but what happened with Elijah Sumner and the rest of his squad?

[night lagoon]

dead

[marble granite]

ah i remember now. they were in coney island right?

[willow current]

Where you get in the same situation as keener and you have to choose if you want to go rogue and join LMB or not

[lilac mason]

@marble granite yeah dude got yeeted in Coney

[vivid inlet]

Might be ok but wouldn't that change the course of div 1 & 2 meaning they have to do those two storylines all over again meaning we need to wait even LONGER

[willow current]

Depends on when they stop the story of those missions

Or maybe there is another timeline if we go rogue than if we don't

Might be fun too

[languid prawn]

Naw I don’t think faye died though there was no agent deceased or a cutscene

[sick lantern]

well we shot her to shit, so if she comes back to life like Hornet, it’ll be pretty dumb

[languid prawn]

Yeah but imagine they killed a character off that’s been with us since the start of division 1 and gave her no cutscene no nothing just “dead”

[round sinew]

Deal

[willow current]

We shot hornet to shit at the consulate too

And black tusk has pretty advanced revive tech

[round sinew]

But that's a dumb narrative device

And it's been used once.

[sick lantern]

yea and it was dumb when he came back

[willow current]

I agree, hornet did not have any personality. If they brought someone back who actually had a background it would be way better

[sick lantern]

if they hadn’t brought anyone back from the dead it would’ve been way better

[willow current]

Agreed

It was kind of creative but the choice of who exactly seemed kind of random

[sand hill]

Wait is Faye Lau is just dead now and did we get any backstory other then her dead sister why she turned rogue?

[drifting lotus]

well

Faye is definitely just dead.

... as for going rogue.. she talks about it all through her manhunt mission.

[sand hill]

wow i hoped for like a dlc

ah okok

[willow current]

We all did

[sick lantern]

the National Guard have spec ops? why does the JTF suck so much if they’re a part of it?

[languid prawn]

not confirmed

never was a agent deceased or cutscene it’s not confirmed yet 🗿

[drifting lotus]

I'd rather not have faith in the fact that shes alive.

[languid prawn]

listen she isn’t dead, division just happened to leave out a cutscene or even a indicator for a character thats been with us since the start of the game?

🗿

[drifting lotus]

I mean, you do you man... I cant see Faye still being alive after killing the President of the United States.

[sick lantern]

well it seems like maybe she was supposed to live in the cutscene but that somehow wouldve interfered with their plans for future content

[vivid inlet]

In my opinion Ellis might not be dead too cause we did hear the "Vital signs zero" but if we even learned anything from Theo it's that ISAC can easily be manipulated

[sick lantern]

No one’s dead! There are no consequences! Everyone’s coming back!

[vivid inlet]

That means we need to do all the seasons over again !

[round sinew]

If that happens, I'll ensure at least one person is dead: Myself.

[cold bramble]

Curious what the ingame excuse is for our Div 1 toon not being able to assist in Div 2 during WoNY 🤔

[vivid inlet]

He did say no one dies so you'll just be brought back to life

[gaunt ice]

Don’t go all Star Wars again please,it gave me Shittastenophobia

oH nO oNeS rEaLlY gOnE

[drifting lotus]

We'll just bring you back, just like every other game likes doing

[vivid inlet]

Romulus : agent killed
The medic on the team : would you stop killing yourself your wasting all my time and resources just to heal your ass

[round sinew]

I'm playing Buzzed. I drew a card that says whoever is my phone background has to drink. It's the SHD symbol. So anyone who sees this has to drink. Cheers, bois.

[vivid inlet]

I'm drinking one whole bottle of straight VODKA

[round sinew]

Same.

I'm blue raspberry Svedka, you?

[vivid inlet]

Tro durnkf imfrogot hegow tko reasghdd

[round sinew]

What in the fuck.

How many shots have you had?

[gaunt ice]

What if I’ve gone rogue?

[round sinew]

I think I'm still dead

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

[vivid inlet]

I see your username, you don't need to tell me

[sleek plover]

also my profile pic

[cold bramble]

how do we know that was faye though?

[cold bramble]

cheers mate

[sick lantern]

it was actually Heather, she never died

[cold bramble]

heather?

is heather a character from the original?

[sick lantern]

b r u h

it’s Faye’s sister, yes she’s from Div 1 but her death is part of why Faye went rogue

[cold bramble]

ah ok

i don't think fayes dead they killed her off with nothing big while every other manhunt agent had an ending cutscene

i mean cool faye had a helicopter but that's not all that big

[sick lantern]

well there was a cutscene with Kelso shown in the trailer, so maybe she was supposed to live before they wanted to do more content

[cold bramble]

they could have at least given the the rogue agent deceased message

the mission just ended with no warning though she was a bitch to kill

[trail wind]

She not. They pulled the video they had for the end of that fight when it was announced more content coming for td2 was happening. There was a trailer that had some clips what happens after that fight like just brief snips of it.

[cold bramble]

can't wait for what's next to come

the boos fight was still a bitch though

*boss

[lilac mason]

The only thing i recall from the trailer is us punching Faye in the face

Wouldve liked that instead of the unceremonious ending tho

[sick lantern]

Kelso was in the trailer wasn’t she? idk

[mint citrus]

No, she wasn't

[sick lantern]

ok it really is just a random agent

[sleek plover]

season 5 is a rerun?

[sick lantern]

Yep

[sleek plover]

cripes

[untold blaze]

wait what

[mint citrus]

Yeah

At least it gives a chance to do content from earlier seasons, fill collectibles.

[lilac mason]

Yee

[round sinew]

Massive gave an update

New content late 2021 at earliest

I figure we're looking at Q3-Q4.

[willow current]

It is massive, it will probably be december 31st

[cold bramble]

"at the earliest" i wonder what this means

[sick lantern]

it means it’ll be released in 2022

[cold bramble]

smh giving them the answer, tbh it was sarcasm pointed at them speculating

no point in thinking about it till it's literally right around the corner

[wary urchin]

What happened to TD2 update

[sick lantern]

not happenin

not until “late 2021 at the earliest”

[round sinew]

It wasn't really speculation. It was a literal statement made today. There's no news so we're rehashing old news into new news.

[cold bramble]

When there is no exact date, its speculation

[round sinew]

Fair

[sleek plover]

damn i hate true sons

and LMB

[willow current]

Since when do you state another faction than LMB first?

[sick lantern]

saw a sign on a dock saying construction is expected to finish in 2032 which makes me wonder when the games are actually set

I knew it was near future but I thought it was more near than future

[fiery inlet]

The game is set in mid-2016

Things went to shit after Black Friday 2015 in the first game and this one takes place 7 months later.

[sick lantern]

the game is set in 2015 and construction on a small dock is set to complete in seventeen years?

they have to be set somewhen in the 20’s surely, which would explain the technological advancements

[willow current]

The cover of the first game says it is set in 2016

[sick lantern]

well that 2032 date had to be intentional

what can you do to a small dock that takes sixteen years?

[willow current]

Get a small port built

In what city was that construction site?

[sick lantern]

NYC

the sign said “Work in progress: commercial”

[vast flicker]

@sick lantern city construction takes far longer than rural construction, there’s a bridge near me that’s been under construction for 7 years and it’s yet to be finished. Construction businesses will also make an absurd finish date so they can properly build things and not worry about rushed deadlines

[cold bramble]

If anyone other than a large fortune 500 company builds anything near my area, it takes a minimum of around 5 years. As for city infrastructure it takes even longer, and in most cases, easily more than 10 years.

We have really slow and unmotivated work crews lol

[untold blaze]

Wow I learned something new today :D

[vast flicker]

Also the construction could’ve started during outbreak conditions and extended for safety of employees

with an increase of tech jobs is a decrease with trade jobs, so hiring certified ppl for welding/machine operator can be tedious

[sick lantern]

it’s a tiny dock so unless they’re converting it into a full on new port of commerce for some reason

[vast flicker]

It probably would’ve, the virus would’ve heavily impacted it too

[sick lantern]

it’s like, a fuckn wooden boardwalk

[vast flicker]

Ok?

[sick lantern]

i sincerely doubt they’re turning a wooden dock into a new cargo port and there’s no way whatever small work they were doing takes 16 years so
it makes sense that this game takes place sometime in the 20’s which correlates with the advanced technology

[vast flicker]

Too bad the game lore Denies that theory lol

If you’ve yet to dig into the story the advanced tech is just tech that didn’t get revealed to the public as many items our characters have are prototypes

[sick lantern]

a lot of advanced tech is also independent of the division

LMB have Support Stations, Final Measure was made by the US Military, Frontline was commissioned by a bank

[vast flicker]

Yes

A lot of corporations that develop tech won’t flat out come out and reveal their tech for other companies to copy (I’m specifically speaking about combat/medical tech here)

It’s a video game too and devs usually don’t care about what exists irl or not so they’ll makeup their own timeline

[sick lantern]

yea, and this timeline is set in the near future oddly enough

[vast flicker]

But so far the timeline started Nov 27th 2015 on div1 and div2 started July 15th 2016

[sick lantern]

when have we been told this? what media is it in? or are people just presuming

i went on the wiki which lists gamepedia as a source, and gamepedia doesn’t list a source so

cus the fact of the matter is, someone on the art team added that 2032 date for a reason, and it doesn’t make sense for the construction to take 17 years, so it makes sense that the game takes place in the 2020’s, which is supported by the existence of the advanced technology
meanwhile all you’ve said is that the game takes place in the modern day and not explained why; there’s simply more evidence to support the possibility of the game taking place in the near future than there is to say that it takes place in the modern day

[round sinew]

But they literally said it takes place in 2015

[vast flicker]

Was revealed when they showed the Ea trailer

I’ll link it

@round sinew Yeah Division 1 was the winter of 2015, division 2 is the summer of 2016

[round sinew]

It's also possible it was 2020.

[vast flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di5-xxrCpRU

[round sinew]

Like if they were doing big brain lore, it's likely 2020.

Because the virus was dropped on Black Friday. And we know Black Friday was November 23rd.

[vast flicker]

My bad the trailer says "six months"

[round sinew]

That happened in 2020, so like, unless they just randomly said dates, it could be 2020.

[vast flicker]

1:15 time stamp for confirmation

[round sinew]

Because, like 2015 didn't have a November 23rd Black Friday.

2020 does. 2029 also does.

But I don't know how much thought goes into Division lore.

[vast flicker]

Probably not much at all looking at the game now

@round sinew 2015s Black Friday was the 27th

It varies from 23rd-29th

[sick lantern]

where was this said?

[round sinew]

Which part?

[sick lantern]

if what you’ve said is true then 2029 is the perfect year for it i think

the date

[round sinew]

One of the audio logs iirc

But again. This assumes Massive cares about deep lore

[cold bramble]

@sick lantern division 2 or 1?

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

[sick lantern]

1

[round sinew]

4

[sick lantern]

The Division 4, Romulus living 2032

[cold bramble]

while you are here, was the dock you were looking at pier 23? i reinstalled div 1 on my ps4 to look at the dock myself, curious about it

[sick lantern]

no they’re on the the east side, south of that big contaminated area

i think north of stuyvesant

[cold bramble]

ty 🙂

[proud umbra]

I just have to ask will we ever be able to kill the president bc he betrayed us

Bc we never get to kill em so

[cold bramble]

he dies

not going to tell you how but he does

[crystal cove]

He dies in the Lau mission, that's all I'll say

[cold bramble]

Good job spoiling a new player

[crystal cove]

Well this is the spoiler section

[cold bramble]

saying 2 + 2 instead of 2 + x is still giving him the answer

[cold bramble]

naaah he knew what he asked >>

[sick lantern]

i agree

[cold bramble]

I'm looking to getting Warlords of New York soon™.

A few questions:
What parts of the map are kept from the first game?
Are there new areas that weren't available in the first game?
Is there Dark Zone there, and if so is it the same as the first game?

[willow current]

You don't get to see anything of the old map, you go southwards to wall street and the brooklyn bridge

The entire area is completely new and unfortunately, there is no DZ

[cold bramble]

There goes my hopes for Central Park 😦

How big is it compared to DC?

[willow current]

It's smaller, but still big enough

8 control points across 4 districts

[cold bramble]

Oooh, fancy. Question about the Summit... is it really 100 floors, or do you skip certain floors?

[willow current]

It is 100 floors, which always are randomly generated

Except for floor 100 itself, that one always is the same

You can skip floors if you join someones session and that person is on a higher floor than you were

[cold bramble]

Ooooh, nice!

[willow current]

Then you take the highest one

It is really repetitive

There are not a lot of different rooms

[cold bramble]

1.5k hours in Warframe has desensitized me from repetition lol, I think I'll be fine

[willow current]

I thought the same, but this...

The first 10 floors are fun

Then you play to get the exo or to farm, not for fun

[cold bramble]

Ah, yeah

I remember doing that for a Gear Set back in Div 1, and two Big Alejandros

[willow current]

It's like underground, but boring

At least it's better than kenly college

[cold bramble]

Oh yeah, was asking that in #ask-td2-community what's Kenly College about and why can't I access it?

[slow rover]

I just recently came back to playing TD2, and I don’t really handle betrayal well, so when I saw Lau turn her back on us and everything we did in TD1, I was more than a little upset.
How satisfied will I be when I finally get to hunt her down?

[willow current]

Kenly college only is available once every 3 weeks, in the week a new manhunt target comes out

It is a game mode where you are swarmed by tons and tons of outcasts and you have to search rooms and you don't know where they are

So you search for 3 years to find it

[willow current]

Depends

If you hear the comms, you know why she did what she did

And you will understand her

[slow rover]

Do I get to put a couple hundred bullets in her head myself? Or is it done through a cutscene?

My dps is kinda low, but I’m incredibly tanky.

[willow current]

You get to

[slow rover]

Huzzah! Then I shall be satisfied. Thank you.

[cold bramble]

There's even a Youtube video detailing her betrayal.

And when I watched that video, it's justified.

[sick lantern]

coulda fooled me

turning against the SHD and JTF isn’t justified ever really

not to say that they can do no wrong but they are a force for good, more so than those they oppose

[cold bramble]

tbh not everyone has extra holes to hold knives in their back

[willow current]

I still don't understand why we wanted to capture the president

What could we do with someone that corrupt

[sick lantern]

put him on some sort of trial or hold him until there is one

at least try a little bit to maintain an element of the pre collapse justice system

or interrogate him for what he knows

maybe something with the broad spectrum antivirals idk (what a dumb plot point)

[cold bramble]

What the Division is for

[willow current]

Those were created in Ann Arbor, right?

[sick lantern]

Kandel made them didn’t she? partially using the antivirals from Survival?

[willow current]

Yeah in the second game there is a file saying she went to ann arbor because there are recources there

And now it is captured by black tusk

Could be good for a new raid

[compact temple]

So do i need to wait for many weeks until i'm able to actually complete the Manhunt with Lau as the main target?

[night lagoon]

you can unlock her at level 53 of the season track

[compact temple]

I was almost near of completing the manhunt, until devs decided to rerun lol

Like i had 3/4 lieutenants taken care of & suddenly a rerun starting from Jupiter. Ugh...

[night lagoon]

:(

[compact temple]

At least i was able to complete the Rewards Track...

[cold bramble]

0, the mission is on the free track of the pass

53

Is it possible to solo Kenly College?

[abstract hare]

@cold bramble what difficulty are you running?

[cold bramble]

Story/Normal for now

[ruby ridge]

That shouldn’t be a problem for you solo.

[round sinew]

It'll just be annoying, but it's definitely possible.

[gaunt ice]

sooooooo

whats next for lore then?

[sick lantern]

nobody knows probably not even the devs

[gaunt ice]

theres this dude whose name i forgot

he made an edit of the game logo

Tom Clancy's The Division 2
Well that was underwhelming

[raw escarp]

The lore is they went back in time for the next 6-12 months and repeated history

[gaunt ice]

Manny time-traveled US to the start of WoNY just so that we will go to Kenly more

[cold bramble]

with the amount of cutcontent inside faye's mission and the fact her "death" is sus af (i.e up in the air still), we were basically hit with a cliffhanger smh

depends on if they plan on telling us whats next after the new game mode

[gaunt ice]

probably involves someone yelling "TIME TRAVEL" and just give us Survival

[cold bramble]

kinda pissed off they pushed us onto the live service branch of wd legion developers

[gaunt ice]

ya know,looking at the season 1 poster again,Jupiter would look alot better if not for that Two-Face shit

[sick lantern]

how’d that happen to her anyway

[gaunt ice]

probably watched too much Batman and fell in love with Twoface

[sick lantern]

speaking of female rogues, whatever happened to the one from Underground was that ever brought up

[gaunt ice]

im sorry who?

70% of lady Rogues in d2 are wahmen,you need to be more specific

[sick lantern]

the rogue agent who gave the Rikers the bomb at the start of the underground dlc

[gaunt ice]

the bomb that blew up at that quarantine center?

[sick lantern]

yes

[gaunt ice]

huh

Some Hunter just got hungry i guess?

[sick lantern]

you’re saying a hunter killed her? might be interesting if we got to see it

[gaunt ice]

or maybeee i can go nuts and say that's Jupiter

might explain the burn on her face too,after being thrown an incendiary turret at

[lethal cedar]

think i heard someone said she took an incendiary sticky or an emp sticky (talk about irony) to the face

[sleek osprey]

Spoiler: || The Manhunt Target Dies ||

I'm so sorry for spoiling it

[gaunt ice]

im no shd tech expert,but if you got hit with an incendiary sticky bomb on the face,you shouldnt even be fit to go anywhere other than the coffin

[gaunt ice]

fake!Bardon lives

[spare arrow]

^

[gaunt ice]

if you dont believe me,try shoving your face into a hot pan with oil inside of it,easy 1st-second degree burn

[sleek osprey]

Some ppl just built different

Im looking at you, Hornet.

You too, Schaeffer

[spare arrow]

(gangsta's paradise plays while hornet rises while t-posing)

[sleek osprey]

Guys

I'm so sorry

|| Season 7 Target is Rick Valassi ||

We're gonna lure him out with cigarettes

And shoot that paranoid Insomniac in the face

In a 20 second mission

[lethal cedar]

@gaunt ice oh ho ho, have you seen that video of a bar manager who had his stove or something exploded right in his face? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqndmVl5nA, well her face does looks like 2nd degree burn, maybe she ripped the bomb off the face before it exploded ?

@sleek osprey go to a NYC radio station, guarded by rikers, who plays polka non stop, and finds ricky at the end making an "epic last stand" and got shoved aside by a riker boss instead ?

[sleek osprey]

You saw the leak too?!

[lethal cedar]

not leak, but logical thinking, Ricky has a radio station, there's riker bounty about them playing polka non stop, connect the dots and here we are

buuut i would be happy if the next big expansion is set in the motherland , you know, going after Ms. Solokova

[sleek osprey]

Pretttttty sure that's an act of war

[lethal cedar]

no chains of command, no prez, so we are sort of like an "insurgent" group in the world's eyes

[sleek osprey]

"Hey guys, we finally killed her... Wait, is that an Airstrike?"

[lethal cedar]

i dont even know if Massive finally added an "After show down with Fye" voice line or something

"Rogue agent down" or something..

[sleek osprey]

Ms. Solokova Manhunt In a Nutshell:

"Oops! All Hunters!"

[sick lantern]

Harrier boss fight time?

[sleek osprey]

Nah man, we about to fight the Season 8 Target

Putin Himself.

Vladimir putin shot those missles with his shoulder-mounted rocket pods

[sick lantern]

judo kicks you

[sleek osprey]

Squat dances on corpse

[outer sluice]

final season agent kelso 🤯

[cold bramble]

lmao what did i walk in on

[sleek osprey]

Beauty

[worldly flax]

Spoilers: Im the final boss in the game

😆

[cold bramble]

Should be a quick battle then...

[worldly flax]

You will never beat me

[raw escarp]

Don't need to, it's a cutscene fight 💀

[worldly flax]

Lies

You already lost

[raw escarp]

OK 😐

[sleek osprey]

Yeah, we lost.
On Episode 1
In the Anime

[worldly flax]

😆

[worldly flax]

https://tenor.com/view/judo-judo-chop-chop-gif-13619597

[gaunt ice]

Idk,maybe someone wrote a fanfic explaining that

[gaunt ice]

Laughs in Scorpio

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

[kindred valley]

I agree, I've taken one of their patches as a trophy

[sleek plover]

seriously me wanting to crush some lmb remnants is pretty much the only reason i started div 2

but those btsu rushers dont even have unique dialogue

[digital hemlock]

There's no LMB in Div2 right?

Was expecting them in WONY

I had some vibes of LMB from black tusk but some black tusk missions were just cringy.

[cold bramble]

i wouldn't expect conversation from a spammer

[sick lantern]

black tusk are the LMB but watered down

[sick lantern]

when fighting the black tusk on legendary, which is canon in div 2 unlike in div 1, the black tusk will deploy LMB shotgunners and medics

[gaunt ice]

You’re wrong,they’re the og white tusk

Sarcasm alright?

[sick lantern]

the LMB were openly displaying fascist iconography and the black tusk are kinda boring in comparison

[gaunt ice]

Black Tusk?more like Bland Tusk

[digital hemlock]

agreed

aside from a few black tusks named npcs, most of them sounds like they have issues.

[sick lantern]

isn’t one of them called “Swamp Ass”?

[digital hemlock]

the black tusk recruitment mission is so cringy, the way how the narrator/division-support speaks makes me want to lol

i missed the cleaners, they have some true sons vibe

the outcasts are like lunatics, the hyenas still pretty cool (feel they are better than rikers)

the div2 cleaners are meh

lost their soul when their leader died

[sick lantern]

also div 2 cleaners are ok with exposing their skin which just doesn’t sit right with me

[digital hemlock]

yes. they supposed to be fearful of the disease

now they are like some churchgoes

div1 cleaners > LMB > true sons > hyena > outcast > black tusk > rikers > div 2 cleaners

thats how i feel in terms of 'awesomeness'

[sick lantern]

what about div 2 rikers? “playing polka” they’d be at the bottom imo

[digital hemlock]

div 2 rikers? i feel that they worse than black tusks, no soul

so same as div 1

[sick lantern]

as in heartless and cruel, or badly designed?

[digital hemlock]

there are no philosophy or icon about them

could be because of heartless and cruel

but true sons also heartless and cruel

i can imagine myself as a cleaner when i fought against cleaners the first time in div 1

there's some reason behind their actions

but rikers?

LMB are mercs, same as black tusks, but they also have some ambition. black tusks are just employees

[sick lantern]

👍

[digital hemlock]

in fact if you frame the black tusks missions, it sounds like some corporate takeover

and those named enemies are just cogs in the machine, once in a while you get a degrunted employee like wyvern

then shaeffer jsut shrugs, because of company policy

division actually looked like the bad guys in this case, trying to be an upstart and 'working around' things

Think Keener has the right idea, but he has his own executions, like Faye

black tusks, meh

[gaunt ice]

That’s a rare case of a “bad guy” helping civilians

[whole spear]

did the game reveal the origins of black tusk? like who do they report to? I get the idea black tusks was like the division but under another command, possibly offshore

[gaunt ice]

They did the classic CoD move.Guess it

Ima say it:Russians.Literally

[whole spear]

if its all a guess then I guess black tusk is actually under the command of whatever high ranking general the country has and their aim is to possibly suppress all factions to re-unite the country under their rule. since the division is considered a faction and may possibly get in the way (rogue agent) they're eliminating them as well

[spare arrow]

uhh, BTSU is backed by the sokolovs

by the by

[whole spear]

in year 3 we might get a ping on ANNA prompting us about organised rogue activities and we fight our way to discover again its black tusk doing stuff and blah blah hunters unleashed blah blah isaac got taken over lalala everyone's rogue and then div3

[sick lantern]

what?

[whole spear]

well then I guess the sokolovs are here expressing their concerns then xD

don't read too much into what I wrote. its what I think might be happening

no facts all fictions I need to take a shower

anna is the network in the watch you got from keener

[spare arrow]

we.. know

[gaunt ice]

Thank you captain Obvious

[whole spear]

I need to state the facts xD

[sick lantern]

i don’t think our agents are able to access ANNA

cus we’re yaknow, not rogue

[gaunt ice]

Not y e t

What color do you get when you mix red and orange together?

[round sinew]

Red-orange

Scarlet, Cinnabar, Vermilion

Orange-Red

Chinese Red

There's probably a thousand other names for each value on the CMYK.

[gaunt ice]

Ok let’s take Scarlet

So,I’m trying to say that maybe someone can get stuck at the limit between a rogue and an agent,essentially having access to both techs

Sounds wacky,yes,but judging from how the story has gone,it doesn’t sound that all bad

[upper harness]

access to both techs?

rogues don’t have their own stuff really

[gaunt ice]

Anna is way more advanced than isac in all ways,apart from probably not being the good guy

[upper harness]

because Anna is ISAC v2.0?

[gaunt ice]

So my idea of a Scarlet watch is that you can use Anna,but still remain as a “good guy”

[gaunt ice]

Yes and no

[upper harness]

erm

[gaunt ice]

Anna can hack into Isac and do whatever it wants to,just better

[upper harness]

you could do the same with ISAC

just that no one thought of this

[gaunt ice]

Think of it as better

[upper harness]

that’s uh

a weird theory

[gaunt ice]

Remember that hack pulse thing Keener used to take over a Marauder?

[upper harness]

so what

[gaunt ice]

Or maybe those custom SHD tech?

[upper harness]

ISAC could do the same

In fact it can

[gaunt ice]

If it could,why no one used that?

The closest we ever seen it came close to Anna was that it can take over a rogue tech

[upper harness]

It’s OP and breaks the game? same way the respawn stations in borderlands aren’t canon

like

[gaunt ice]

We’re talking lore-wise

[sick lantern]

would take too long probably

[upper harness]

I’m pretty sure that we hack stuff during story missions

[gaunt ice]

Oh,you mean simple terminals?

Lol

[upper harness]

mate

this argue makes no sense

[gaunt ice]

Yeah closest to “advanced hacking” is taking over a rogue tech,like I said

[upper harness]

tech in division 2 universe doesn’t have any anti-hacking defence in place

hunters use our tech

Keener hacks marauders

[sick lantern]

in Div 1 Hornet’s hacked SHD tech beats ISAC

[gaunt ice]

You think no one at DARPA thought of anti-hacking precautions?

[upper harness]

I mean

it’s not good enough

[gaunt ice]

Yeah

But still,the operating system,”orange wristwatch”,sucks

[upper harness]

it does

but I don’t think anyone is changing it either

[gaunt ice]

That’s why Anna is better

[upper harness]

we still don’t know shit about it

so it’s a little early to make that statement

[gaunt ice]

It existed for a good time up to wony

[sick lantern]

Rogue Division agents and the misuse of SHD tech aren’t something that were considered when ISAC was created, but other than that ISAC is superior to other computing systems

[upper harness]

ANNA is just a custom ISAC made to work better with rogue tech

[gaunt ice]

And can operate new techs,allowing creativity to take place

[upper harness]

new techs? Haven’t seen any new tech

[gaunt ice]

Sticky?achilles pulse?trap?

[upper harness]

also, doesn’t ISAC have the same feature? ISAC can operate with division 1&2 tech easily

I still don’t see why they would limit ISAC’s capabilities like this

[gaunt ice]

But still,can’t you see how limited we are?

[sick lantern]

i sincerely doubt there’s much that ANNA can do that ISAC can’t, we can use new SHD tech but we never needed to make new skills

[gaunt ice]

Yeah there’s nothing new about the rogue stuff,but atleast they invented like,8 techs

[upper harness]

doesn’t the fact that we use achilles and shock trap contradict your whole statement?

I mean

[gaunt ice]

Isac has some access to anna by the end of wony

[upper harness]

well

[gaunt ice]

Some of it includes take over techs

But it is still limited

[upper harness]

I don’t think anyone ever said that ISAC contacted with ANNA

plus, ISAC isn’t just some shitass AI, it can hack and take over stuff just easily

[gaunt ice]

first wave wants to know your location

[gaunt ice]

All those shd tech boxes in summit has to run on something

[upper harness]

so?

[gaunt ice]

Like I said,anna,which was based on isac but better

[upper harness]

no lol

[gaunt ice]

Do you see how rogues uses more than 2 skills in a fight?

Dang it,gotta go

[upper harness]

because it’s a boss fight

[gaunt ice]

Talk to you later

[upper harness]

you can’t just give keener two skills and call it a day

[gaunt ice]

Lore-wise

[upper harness]

there’s no explanation for it lore-wise

[gaunt ice]

Like I said,rogues are just better

It’s like iOS vs Android

[upper harness]

because they’re supposed to be powerful

plus IOS is just superior

think of ANNA as Android

more useless features

free apps lol

[sick lantern]

which is why we beat them whenever we fight them

[upper harness]

true

[sick lantern]

completely unrelated but:

while i was gathering electronics i stumbled upon an April Kelleher echo

her book was open on page 35, i went to my copy and what she wrote is the same as she narrated in game

cool little detail

[upper harness]

who’s kelleher anyways

like, isn’t she just some random person?

I watched a few lore videos

[round sinew]

Yes

[sick lantern]

random lady who took div tech from the agent who saved her (Doug Sutton of Noble Squad, who had an apparel event based around them) and went into the dark zone, meeting keener on the way

[round sinew]

Her husband was someone important and its alluded to that he was murdered.

He worked for a... Pharma company iirc

[upper harness]

gah

boooooooooooring

tank crew from division 1 LMB raid was much more fun to listen

[gaunt ice]

Tech-wise not plot armor wise lol

[upper harness]

there’s no plot wise explanation

rogues are the same agents

[sick lantern]

surprisingly not mentioned in game

[sick lantern]

i wonder what that Rogue agent’s name was

and why some African warlord gifted an LMB captain a golden AK

[upper harness]

uhhhhh?

[sick lantern]

flavour text on the warlord says that “Warlord Al Hekmatyar” gifted it to Captain Perez

“Presented to my brother in arms Captain Perez.”- Warlord Al Hekmatyar

[upper harness]

well

probably some kind of a coalition

LMB+African rebels lol

[sick lantern]

now that i’d like to see

[round sinew]

We've seen it irl

Usually ends in a village of civilians being killed.

[gaunt ice]

You mean Nestle?

[gaunt ice]

They have their goods and bars

It’s just that Android has more freedom

[upper harness]

more freedom=less protection

[round sinew]

I meant Blackwater. Don't get me started on Nestlè

[upper harness]

blackwater the game

[round sinew]

screams

[upper harness]

this shit’s hilarious

[round sinew]

That actually exists

[upper harness]

PLAY AS A MERCENARY THAT KILLS INNOCENT PEOPLE

a must have game

[round sinew]

Having worked for a PMC before, and having worked alongside PMC vets, I can safely say that it's an unfun job.

[upper harness]

what’s up with war vets either using anime or snake as pfp

[round sinew]

I'm not a war vet lmao.

[gaunt ice]

“You must lead a very interesting life my friend.”

[gaunt ice]

Yeah,but it’s an open OS

[round sinew]

Bigger PMCs have diverse fields. I worked with guys who did Blackwater shit, but I was basically a retard wrangler for rent-a-cops.

[upper harness]

then what are ya

hm

[round sinew]

I don't do that anymore, though.

100% of jobs with PMCs, PSCs, and PISGs are strenuous, stressful, and not fun.

[upper harness]

everyone has their own way

[gaunt ice]

I thought someone would get that reference

[upper harness]

no one got the reference

[gaunt ice]

Ah well,not everyone spends 200 hours on a single player game like me:(

Which is,unhealthy

[upper harness]

you haven’t seen unhealthy

[round sinew]

I can tell you that guys who do Blackwater stuff do it 100% for the money. And it crushes most of the ones that aren't sociopaths.

[upper harness]

I racked 400 hours on division in just a month and a half

[languid prawn]

Same

[upper harness]

and I got 1000 hours in gta just during the summer

[languid prawn]

🗿

[upper harness]

600 in mw2019 during April-August

[round sinew]

It's actually a gripe I have about LMB.

[upper harness]

that’s unhealthy

[round sinew]

They aren't getting paid, so it means they're all sociopaths.

[gaunt ice]

Yeah but atleast it’s a multiplayer/coop

Oof I think I just hit 300

[upper harness]

I think they stopped getting paid soon after they invaded NY

so there’s not much choice

[gaunt ice]

God,why am i addicted to a game about a bald guy?

[upper harness]

max Payne?

jk

[round sinew]

They didn't invade. They were supposed to be there.

[upper harness]

that looks more like invasion to me

they originally had to just evacuate and protect important documents

[round sinew]

But they 'supposedly' went rogue, broke with the company, and tried to set up their own microstate or something. So I can only assume they weren't drawing a salary.

[upper harness]

I still don’t see how people even would pay for this. World is fucked anyways

[round sinew]

Which means every LMB is there because he wants to be, not because he's getting paid. So I don't feel bad cutting them down.

[round sinew]

When you're rich and there's a little chaos, might as well buy safety.

[sick lantern]

they were contracted to defend wall street assets and other “rich folks stuff” but got trapped in the quarantine and cut off from the support of the wider organisation. that’s when they went rogue and tried to seize control

[upper harness]

same with BTSU taking money from US government

I don’t see how money works anymore

no, I’m wrong

WHO would be able to produce more weapons, gear, goods and be able to sell or trade anything. People only care about medicine and safety

[cold bramble]

I have well over 1k hours on mgsv because of fobs

[gaunt ice]

Wait,so lmb is inspired by blackwater?

[upper harness]

nope

Blackwater had a small incident

[sick lantern]

most pmcs in games probably are but idk about the LMB

[upper harness]

Blackwater just killed some civilians for no reason

I don’t see how anything is based on it

[gaunt ice]

Almost the same like what you said

[gaunt ice]

Yeah guess you’re right

[sick lantern]

“Murkywater” in Payday 2 comes to mind

[upper harness]

payday is a fucking joke lol

I love this game so much

[sick lantern]

it is nowadays

[upper harness]

it sucks that there’s not gonna be any console updates for it

I would’ve still been playing it if it received more

[sick lantern]

what’s the newest thing on console? i haven’t been paying attention

[round sinew]

Season 5

Oh. For PD2, nvm

[upper harness]

nothing

last thing that got added is this Chinese/Japanese(I really don’t remember) hacker girl and MPX

which is pretty cool

I love mpx

[sick lantern]

well for the past few years the content has been either bad or passable,none of the newest heists really stand out

[upper harness]

have you tried one down Death sentence shadow raid?

[sick lantern]

on Xbox at least which I don’t play anymore, me and some guys speedran OD Shadow Raid ten plus times it was great

[spark canopy]

I can tell most vets speedrun that for breakfast

[cold bramble]

So like

Are division TRULY the good guys?

[languid prawn]

yea

The division wants to make America as it was before and that’s simply it. All the other factions have different ideals

The division’s purpose is to unite everyone again

[sick lantern]

Yes

“save what remains” is a pretty good guy thing to do

[cold bramble]

subjective af, alot of the "bad guys" want the same thing

All the other factions slaughter hundreds (thousands in most cases) to get their way. At least the Div agents (minus rogues of course) are trying to save everyone.

smh saving everyone by murdering everyone

Div isnt murdering everyone though 😅

only ones that don't pick up guns survive

Those that are out to harm others sure, but even for survival usually Div agents tell them to assist larger communities if they can to help everyone as a whole

Thus why you help with the broadcasts and such

They arent "Obey or die", its "live and let live". All the other factions are "join us or your the enemy"

You have examples of "obey or die" in division 1 btw

As rogues yes

[sick lantern]

such as?

[cold bramble]

nope

JTF isnt Div btw, they I agree screwed the pooch

[sick lantern]

they did try their best to keep people safe

[cold bramble]

True they tried, but sadly as we learned it went south. But Division I cannot recall ANY example of obey or die

[sick lantern]

can’t provide an example?

the only thing i can think of is rioters sometimes maybe

[cold bramble]

I cant really think of anything myself, I think by the time Div Agents started to come in was after rioters turned violent. Granted I could be mistaken its been a while since Div1 released and all. 😅

[sick lantern]

rioters are pretty much anyone who’s putting their own needs over everyone else’s, we see them in Brooklyn stealing supplies, doing arms deals with Rikers,

[cold bramble]

Agreed, definitely didnt give room for negotiations thats for sure