division-universe

[round sinew]

I was hoping to at least get through a WONY mission today.

[gentle hinge]

me, thinking about we couldnt call out lau for her bs ughhh

i guess i'll draw it myself

[flat acorn]

Well even after all the complaints about the mission and the ending i finally got around to completing it myself. Cant say I'm pissed off but I do feel numb and a bit sad that they did that. Anyways, looks like "end of watch" really does have a further meaning.

[cold bramble]

smh

[undone lava]

Unpopular opinion: I didn't dislike the Lau mission. It was fun, little challenging, wouldn't call it bad. Also I get the feeling Lau's gonna be revealed as sort of a Big Boss character from metal gear, where she betrayed us to screw over the blacktusk from behind the scenes, and couldn't tell anyone about her true plans since it'd risk her being exposed

[lethal cedar]

this is, literally, what she did

kind of sad too, she even got apology letters preped

[cold bramble]

3/08/2020 #division-universe message a year before smh

even before the leaks

[gentle hinge]

lau's lines during the mission are.... hm.

"you think you're in control, you're just following directives."
"ellis needed to go, i did the right thing."
"who did your eval? i can't believe they made you an agent."
"you can't be this stupid. wake up!"
"you really wanna kill me?"
"the division's lost its way, and so have you."
"why do you let isac corrupt you with its bullshit?"
"i'm not your enemy"
"you don't understand"
"you follow isac's directives like a mindless drone."

[round sinew]

Theo said more or less the same stuff.

[silent pawn]

Yeah it was revealed that faye tricked black tusk into giving her the resources that she neeeded to finish the job. The same resources she though that the division could provide but the death of her sister and her conversation with circe and her being powerless against keener proved that the resources she needed was with the black tusk not division or shd

So she went rogue. Not to fuck with division but to actually do what division was supposed to do

But you just put a bullet to her head and tp back to the base like if it didn’t mean anything

[cold bramble]

Wow.. put it like that and they (MSV) really screwed the pooch on the story with how it all went down (I havent finished it yet myself)

She should have been arrested or something if anything.

well.. contained in the best way SHD/Division could lol

[west patio]

She did the wrong thing for all the right reasons

[cold bramble]

Killing her seems just.. stupid

[tepid ibex]

We wouldnt be following his mindless directives if we could choose to join different factions or go rogue permanently but it seems that is not possible

[cold bramble]

Now im suspect as hell of ISAC 🤔

[silent pawn]

I would go rogue and join black tusk in a heartbeat

If i had the chance

[tepid ibex]

I swear Keener did too in Liberty Island, but with more of a hostile demeanor

[west patio]

I would probably join the Black Tusk too

[alpine sedge]

And now it's as Kelso said : What do we do from here ? xD

[west patio]

Yeah

They kinda tied the story up in a nice bow and tie

[silent pawn]

They will probably let us go rogue permanently in division 3. Community has been asking for it for the longest time

And they kinda teased it

[west patio]

If we even get it

[silent pawn]

I’m sure we will get division 3 at some point

[alpine sedge]

And just to be sure : They're no post mission cinematic ? (Like everyone meeting up to discuss our options)

[west patio]

Nah

[silent pawn]

No not for now

[alpine sedge]

Okay, thx !

[cold bramble]

So the Langley logs are all we get for now?

[west patio]

Possibly in a year 3 dlc

[west patio]

We already have those

[silent pawn]

They will probably release something when season 4 ends or season 5 starts

[west patio]

We might get a cutscene before a year 3 dlc if they make one

[silent pawn]

You can get them from a laptop in the cabin where faye kills the president in the new mission

[cold bramble]

Ah, will make sure to look for that then when I run it

[west patio]

The only thing I see happening in the next manhunt is we go to the dock ish thing we see in a cinematic with the black tusk

To find out more about there leader and employer

[alpine sedge]

Well, now to wait for next manhunt, lol (or maybe Div 3, slim chance lol)

[round sinew]

The concept of season 5 kills me

I haven't even gotten to Circe yet and it kills me.

[cold bramble]

Im about half way to getting to take on Circe

[silent pawn]

I mean game literally gives you a month per manhunt target

[cold bramble]

Got two more objectives i think

[silent pawn]

Its not that repetitive

[cold bramble]

Which is nice!

I procrastinate too damn much lol

[alpine sedge]

I mean i was missing 2 CP that i didn't discovered, so it was a small pain at that point for me xD

[round sinew]

Same. I've got CPs and bounties left.

[cold bramble]

Man I hated it when Kelso died, what about you guys

[round sinew]

What

[silent pawn]

Lol

[cold bramble]

Kelso got killed by Godzilla

Then king Kong ate the body

[silent pawn]

Then we find out isac was the godzilla all along

[cold bramble]

Issac will be the bad guy all along, he'll grown sentience in div3

Is there any deep lore videos out that covers Issac so far? I understand fully the benefit of crippling the SHD network during all these attacks, but i'm curious if there is more to it. Might just me overthinking it.

They haven't gone into a great detail about issac

Btw you can find the Langley files in the cabin where Ellis died on the laptop

[west patio]

It was to weaken the agents so the black tusk could invade easier but they accidentally sent more agents to DC

[cold bramble]

Like i said, i understand the reasoning to disable the network. Communication is a huge part of any military force. But I was more curious about Isaac itself. 😉

[silent pawn]

Thats mostly division 1 lore

Division 2 doesn’t stops to explain those parts of the lore

[cold bramble]

Ah.. well damn

[cold bramble]

look into theo com videos

Hopefully one day then.

[cold bramble]

Will do!

issac is a vulnerable system that can be easily be taken over by someone

Taking down Theo I can see why, he easily faked the system in the prison/detention center place.

Never went back to watch any of the videos though

[silent pawn]

Even we abuse isac on dark zone

Go rogue and reset the rogue status before leaving

It can’t sync in dz

Its not perfect i’ll tell you that much

[cold bramble]

Oh for sure "Isaac find a way out" "Stupid wrist watch" lol

[silent pawn]

Cant even show me the time without going into the photo mode

Smh stupid watch

[cold bramble]

Anywho, thanks for all the info everyone, im out for now, have a good one!

if you have the time, i suggest watching lore videos on warlords, everything in warlords base game touches on the validity of issac

well atleast keener/theo

[cold bramble]

Will do, thanks again!

[cloud aspen]

is there any news on season 5 or division 3?

[silent pawn]

Only news we have is that massive will continue to work on division 2 until the end of 2022

[cloud aspen]

ah ok thanks

[gaunt ice]

And then it all came out:it was Despacito all the time,disguised as an AI to eliminate the humans

[tepid ibex]

Uhm, Natalya Sokolov?

[round sinew]

Tbh, I don't think they'll do a season 5 of manhunt. It's a new year, so hopefully a new DLC and gimmick. Or they'll just provide patch support.

[crisp plover]

Survival mode dlc, new dz in NY or DC

[round sinew]

I'm interested what direction they'll go, especially after the Ubi staff call.

[crisp plover]

One can only hope

[round sinew]

A new DZ is nice, but I'm a lore junkie, and DZs don't feed my habit.

I don't really wanna see new PvP or raids.

I don't expect a survival mode.

I'd be interested in another investigation.

[cold bramble]

hardcore coming out of beta smh

[crisp plover]

Another manhunt? aren't those investigations

[round sinew]

No, no, like Kelly College.

[cold bramble]

manhunts were based off of those

[crisp plover]

You mean expeditions?

[round sinew]

Manhunts are just glorified bounties.

Investigation, expedition, same thing, whatever.

[cold bramble]

tbh after today's manhunt i don't want anything

they fucked up

[round sinew]

I've been saying that for months.

Since WONY dropped.

[cold bramble]

😏 i didn't want wony

i just accepted it

[round sinew]

Nah, once WONY wrapped up, I got a good idea of how Massive wanted to wrap up lore.

It upset me.

Upset is a strong word.

[crisp plover]

The wony map is nice, story not good, they need writers, but they seem to be focused on gameplay mechanics then story

[cold bramble]

i knew Faye didn't change from the start but the way they did it just irks me

Why did we have to kill her?

[crisp plover]

We didn't, she will pull a hornet since ISAC never said she was dead

[round sinew]

Story was nice, until Keener's mission.

Massive is good at setting up lore. They're very good at making interesting beginnings.

For some reason, though, they consistently and repeatedly show that they can't tie those threads together.

I honestly don't know why that is.

[crisp plover]

That's because they get people to pitch a story and a world, they then make the game and never really expand on it

We only now just got he langley reports about the state of other countries

[round sinew]

That still doesn't explain it, though.

If we, a collection of gamers and amateur writers and come up with compelling lore projections, then I fully expect the professional contractors and employees at Ubi and Massive to be capable of it.

It's why I keep holding out hope.

I have to trust them and assume they have an endgame in mind.

Even if they're smoothing over shit due to budget and time constraints to get us there faster.

I refuse to accept this is another Breakpoint or Patriots.

[gaunt ice]

“Kenly”

[round sinew]

Yeah. Autocorrect trouble

[gaunt ice]

No I

Wait

[lethal cedar]

i guess they could give us the final cutscenes after the end of the season ?perhaps ?

[half apex]

hopefully

I thought that after the mission when kelso said to get back to base to regroup there was a new objective

[ashen jungle]

I can confirm there is not.

[half apex]

yeah, I even hurried back to base then... uhm ok, no obj? ok 😅

[bright timber]

is the snitch locations random for everyone or there specific spot they spawn in?

[crisp plover]

Random for everyone, but there's specific locations where the snitch can spawn

[bright timber]

is there a site where I can look at this specific locations?

[ashen jungle]

division2map.com

[sacred kernel]

same

[leaden matrix]

you are late by a few days

[leaden matrix]

i think thats for after this season

because the game time is way different

[half apex]

yeah, same sentiments too

[leaden matrix]

in between div 1 and div 2 only 3-6 months have passed

[fiery inlet]

Division 2 is set 7 months after the first one

[sleek plover]

damn i hate LMB

[empty river]

Right button is better?

[sleek plover]

Democracy is

[empty river]

jk))

[pallid patio]

before fight Faye Lau, ISAC: "Rouge Agent Detected... nearby"
When Faye die, ISAC no talk. So... or she is alive, or wasnt rouge

Why they do this??, 0 explain, too much questions aaarrgg

[silent pawn]

they probably forget to add it.

They forget to put new effects for the pulse skill too

[pallid patio]

and before find POTUS dead, also ISAC no talk, and you can see Lau escape in the boat

[silent pawn]

it uses the banshee effects

[cold bramble]

how'd the potus die?

[untold blaze]

faye just shot him

[cold bramble]

damn no chill

what would happen if you spare faye?

like what if there was an option to not kill her

[untold blaze]

shed still be a bitch

[cold bramble]

probably

and we'd probably be rogue

[untold blaze]

lol

either way im happy shes dead

[cold bramble]

same

[lime wave]

I had a bit of a weird experience

1. Didn't get a "rogue agent deceased" from ISAAC (as mentioned by others),
2. After clearing the mission and no enemies are left, shooting Faye spawns more black tusk. I had two warhounds come in. Shot her again, and a helicopter came in with more Black Tusks.

[ashen jungle]

1. Yep that's happening for everyone.
2. That happened to me too. Clearly the mission just wasn't bug tested properly.

[slate grove]

good thing that haven't ha99ened to me

[cold bramble]

wait so you can shoot faye to have infinite enemies?

[topaz marten]

Was there supposed to be something after killing Faye?

[crisp plover]

@topaz marten No, I didn't get anything, not cutscene or dialogue after kelos says to regroup

kelso*

[topaz marten]

That's a bit abrupt

[sleek plover]

tbh i expected

since a rogue agent killed president

entire SHD+ISAC system would just shut down

because an agent who is supposed to ensure the government to continue killed the president, proving the very purpose of SHD a failure

thus "the end of watch"

ending the division system and network permanently and the protagonists have to look for a way to survive without it

At least thats what i imagined the ending would be, mostly because I knew the ellis death leaks

but besides, what is the purpose of killing the president anyways?

[vapid mantle]

Is president actually control SHD, or he just some nominal figure?

[crisp plover]

Idk, nothing makes sense anymore

[sleek plover]

damn i hate LMB

me hating LMB was the only reason i started the game, i expected there would be some kinda remnant hunting

srsly I expected there would be a bounty or something on a BTSU unit entirely made out of ex LMB soldiers ever since I started the game(that was when cleaner returns were comfirmed), that was my only reason on buying it.
so far the game has been waste of time and money, at least for me.

[topaz marten]

Someone with more brain and patience to cobble together all the fucking audio logs and shit and tell me why Faye betrayed SHD and what her end goal was, because I don't get it

[sleek plover]

for those who know me already... i am just repeating this because there is lots of ubisoft guys online now

[pallid rapids]

Man, it literally looks like everything went well for this season. Nothing dramatic, it was weak, it seems like everything was "EA rushing with everything in Anthem style". Where's that super cool custcene? Where are things? It looks like a little thing that could be cool, it could take time to be super cool, super intuitive, but in the end, it's disastrous.

[sleek plover]

tbh i would. be so satisfied to have some LMB remnants crushed

thats like the only reason i bought the game

i mean i know btsu chargers and supports are ex lmb, but they dont even have a single piece of dialogue hinting so

[pallid rapids]

LMB has not yet fallen, on the other side. It's still there, but in another corner of some city.

[sleek plover]

apparently after bliss died they joined btsu

[pallid rapids]

He had remembered the radio from The division 1, saying that "Killing Bliss is no use, there will still be anyone to take over."

[sleek plover]

but really, I really hate them.

reading game lore is my hobby, and when i read about lmb, i instantly hated them

[pallid rapids]

Yes. Likely they got together to "beat the Division." Probably Natalya should be the general leader of the LMB.

[sleek plover]

thats when i decided to but div 2, because even division 1 does not completely. anhhiliate them

seriously, i just really hate them, and true sons

and cleaners to be honest.

I hope the ubi/msv guys notice me

[crisp plover]

They won't

[sleek plover]

that is sad

[pallid rapids]

I saw that 2 has a lot of stuff open, and a lot of stuff to close. I know it is an Online game, but the story should have an "end point", in all this giant story that will never end. Even more, with Star wars coming, it will be a handful job. Making 2 games, even with gigantic things to add is a lot.

[sleek plover]

well i planned to retire and start div 1 after all the contents of div2 are gone.

[pallid rapids]

If even Warframe has a story that can be finished and has a lot, they are probably able to do the same thing...i think.

[sleek plover]

which i did, yet its been difficult

i mean warframe even had cordylon for lore questions

[lethal cedar]

i swear to god if massive decided to make the agent in TD1 the season 5 target, and give him/her the Judge treatment so they remain gender neutral...i'm not going to be surprised

[sleek plover]

seriously if they just throw me in a room full of black tusk chargers with dialogue hinting they are former LMB, and im just stuck there for eternity.
i would be really happy

[lethal cedar]

but, well they are too lazy to add even voice lines for them

[sleek plover]

yeah i know

this may be a huuuuge cope... but maybe they are being silent about further updates on div 2 because of leaks

all the leaks turned out to be true u know

[lethal cedar]

and i just realise that guy's name is coop, as in a chicken coop, not co-op

[gentle hinge]

If we get an all LMB group, then we're fighting essentially a Legendary, since IIRC White Tusk is most of the former LMB, and that terrifies me.

[sleek plover]

im sure white tusks does not have an official lore

[gentle hinge]

Just following the wiki

[ashen jungle]

God that "Judge" thing in New Dawn pissed me off so much. Made FC5 feel so useless.
I genuinely hope they never mention our Div1 Agent. My head-canon is enough.

[sleek plover]

FC does have a reputation

for having endings with unpleasant twists

i hope FC6 has a genuine good ending

[ashen jungle]

The best ending for the last 2 (haven't checked New Dawn yet) games were literally the ones at the start.

but enough off-topic stuff in the Spoiler Chat.

[sleek plover]

FC6 basically satisfies my fantasy of fighting as a guerrilla fighter against fascists, i hope it does not have a backstabbing ending

yes, enough off topic

[sonic nebula]

is there supposed to be a cutscene after killing faye?

since kelso says come on back to base and we'll discuss it

[cold bramble]

Kelso says come on back to base could be the start of year 3

[sonic nebula]

so no cutscenes at all huh

[cold bramble]

As far as I know, nope

no cutscenes at all

[late lava]

Anyone else notice the watch President Ellis was wearing?

[velvet pumice]

how tf do you stop fayes helicopter

[cold bramble]

don't miss

[velvet pumice]

done

i mean that was very underwhelming

[dusky violet]

I have not been paying attention to The Division 2 since Warlords of New York and I was wondering if anyone could give a breakdown of the events after Warlods of New York

[cold bramble]

we are currently trying to kill faye

[dusky violet]

Ive seen footage of that mission

It is pretty underwelming

Faye in Div1: I cant believe agents would go rogue
Faye in Div2: Goes rogue and im pretty sure she joined black tusk

[lethal cedar]

basically after we offed Keener, he activated the Rogue network right before he died, aka Activating rogue cells and sorta connect them with ANNA like how regular use ISAC , first there's the Jupiter cell that took over Roosevelt island with Cleaners to savage and modifies the EMPs on it to be lethal , we sort of stopped them ,and got an EMP sticky from her, after that, Hornet came up, and instead of trying to kill us with EMP, he allies himself with Outcast with those red cloud virus Ellipse and took over the old Tidal Basin , we stop him too, and get a Healing trap that does "air burst healing thing", and then Bardon of the BTSU showed up, at Coney island with Hunters, we finished him too, and get a explosive trap and now, Fye

[dusky violet]

Also what happened with Paul Rhodes and Roy Benitez?

[cold bramble]

they are vendors

[dusky violet]

Didnt they help Lau or something?

[cold bramble]

yes but that was before they knew she was rogue

[fiery inlet]

tl;dr we went after Keener's goons, then some more goons, then the BTSU leader (Schaeffer), we learned that the russians were somehow involved and that Schaeffer was working with a hunter and now we've gone after Faye Lau; she killed the POTUS because... reasons? Now we don't know jack shit about what's coming next since the game is supposed to have 2 more years of content, according to Ubisoft latest conference call.

[round sinew]

Ubi's conference call was insane tho,

[cold bramble]

anything related to us?

ah i read the paragraph

sry

[round sinew]

Maybe down the line.

Okayyy time to take down Circe.

[dusky violet]

I wonder why Kelso says we dont have permission to take down Ellis despite the fact that he is an enemy of the US

[cold bramble]

Are you sure about that?

[dusky violet]

Also i think that Schaeffer is probably gonna get rescued by the BTSU because we apprehended (plz ignore my spelling) him instead of killing him

[dusky violet]

In the mission Kelso says we dont have permission to go after Ellis

[cold bramble]

"we dont have permission to take down Ellis despite the fact that he is an enemy of the US"

[dusky violet]

He betrayed the US and the SHD by siding with the Black Tusk

[round sinew]

Wooo. Time to do the Lau mission.

Yeehawwwww

[cold bramble]

Are you sure about that? how do you know the plans of the higher ups?

[dusky violet]

BRUH DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE LORE

[cold bramble]

ah asking me the question i'm asking you, so the conversation ended

[dusky violet]

Ellis sided with Black Tusk

[cold bramble]

just to add salt to your newly open wound, the answer is we don't know

don't assume he is a traitor because we lack the information

[plain junco]

there's literal comms of Ellis that very much shows he's a traitor

[cold bramble]

"shows", tell me what happened with faye again

[dusk dove]

iirc there is a side mission were we are asked to hunt down the were abouts of the "traitor president"

[plain junco]

yeah imma just ignore you

anyway Ellis is a traitor

[cold bramble]

that's a weird way of saying you don't know anything

[plain junco]

yall see something?

[cold bramble]

k

[round sinew]

"I will bury you just like I buried Keener"

Biiiiitch

Take credit for my work? That's enough reason for me to double-tap.

[cold bramble]

she was the one who used his rogues watches to track him tho tbf

[drifting kernel]

so i want to hit watch lvl 1000 to get all the good stuff...

how do i manage that - fast

[cold bramble]

pretty big spoiler, i'll have to think about it

[round sinew]

Well, that wasn't as bad as people are whining about.

[silent pawn]

play at the highest difficulty you can and turn on as much as directives you can

thats the only way of stacking exp

also if you have dz squad

manhunts gives a lot of exp

[drifting kernel]

why isnt conflict giving any xp towards your watch?

[round sinew]

It's PvP

[round sinew]

My reaction to the Faye mission: "Good soldiers follow orders."

[gloomy sand]

faye is the most disappointing

manhunt to ever exist

[cold bramble]

100%

[gloomy sand]

a character thats been here since div 1 and we just smoke her with no cutscene at the end or anything

really massive.

really?

[tribal night]

the dialogue that kelso has after she dies is just like

yeah sure there's questions to be answered but guess thats all they had lol

[flat acorn]

Should you be surprised given their track record on disappointment?

[gaunt ice]

Yeah,thing is,he is still the president.oh he sided with the bad guys?does the higher ups know?as far as the ones below knows,Tusk are here to help(damm that sounds familiar),and Ellis has done nothing wrong

[spare arrow]

considering the general public knows that BT is executing civilians on the street... yeah BT isnt here to help

[plain junco]

ellis has done a lot of wrong but okay i guess? to each their own? what you want me to say?

ellis and the bt straight up took the antivirals but that's not doing anything wrong?? along with executing and terrorizing citizens?

[gaunt ice]

but as far as the higher ups know,he's doing his job

[spare arrow]

there are no higher-ups

[crisp sky]

How do i take down faye's helicopter?

[lone zephyr]

shoot the propellers

[crisp sky]

Mk

[lone zephyr]

so did anyone else notice that ISAC stopped communicating with us in that last mission? Once we killed Faye Lau, there was no "rogue agent down" message, just silence until Kelso told us to come back

[cold bramble]

We don't have the information to know that for sure, assuming things with just what you have is nothing more then faulty thoerycrafting

[plain junco]

theorycrafting that was stated in game that the president is the one who gave the orders when it comes to shd because of the directive 51

the president was the higher ups

[spare arrow]

SHD answers solely to other SHD and the president.

which means we are the higher-ups

[plain junco]

all of this is in game lore and the wiki

[spare arrow]

^^^^

with the president gone and the other SHD personnel gone completely dark....

We are the last remainining "higher-ups".

[plain junco]

^^^^^

[spare arrow]

the only person we can quantify as "higher-up" is Manny, but even then he is just our coordinator and we dont report directly to him

[lone zephyr]

I honestly didn't think of that, but makes sense. So then are we going to be making decisions going forward or still just taking commands? That's what I have been wanting to know.

Seems the theme for a while has been "go here, do this", but that doesn't seem to be the case given the recent events.

[spare arrow]

recently its mostly been a joint effort of Kelso & Manny & the player going after the targets

[lone zephyr]

Right, but these targets were coming through ISAC still right? The AI was still interacting with us and relaying information when a target had become deceased all the way up to Circe.

[spare arrow]

Seems that it was mostly Kelso finding out that the targets had become "active" enough for us to search them out

[lone zephyr]

Truueee, i'm curious to see how they play it out. Ever since the Theo Parnell mission I have had multiple theories going in my head, but there's a still a lot of unknowns in my eyes.

[cold bramble]

just trying to get people to wait till we have everything because assuming worked out great with faye

She turned out really traitorous pepelaugh

LOL

[night lagoon]

maybe while we were killing faye, someone killed kelso thats why we returned to base and nothing was heard from her

aha

[plain junco]

literally no one assumed with faye - and she turned traitor because her sister was killed and she turned her anger on the division

[cold bramble]

except, that was wrong

which = assuming

[plain junco]

🙄

if you say so bruh

[cold bramble]

it's pretty nice isn't it, your bloodthirsty feelings being proven wrong

not everyone is a bad guy

[plain junco]

if you say so

[cold bramble]

[plain junco]

😃

[cold bramble]

savor it, because if you don't actually think about the lore before you go "i want to kill her", being proven wrong again is going to be inevitable

[plain junco]

if you say so

i never said i wanted to kill lau - i havent made my feelings known or how i feel about her

but again - if you say so

[toxic fjord]

There is the simple option that Lau isn't actually dead as well.

[ashen jungle]

If you walk over to her body, she's lying there with her eyes open and not moving.

If she's not dead, then she's a REALLY good actor.

[cold bramble]

I mean, same with Schaffer

[plain junco]

im more curious on why isac didnt say anything when she goes down - usually he will not shut up when a rogue agent is down

[ashen jungle]

Schaeffer got audio confirmation, Lau didn't.

[toxic fjord]

It seems odd that there would be no "hey, that bitch dead" after the kill like there is with every other rogue agent ever

[cold bramble]

True

[ashen jungle]

Can we not just call every female villain "bitch" for 5 minutes?

[toxic fjord]

Not using it in that manner, but fair. Also don't even consider her a villain.

[plain junco]

tbh i do usually tune isac out because isac will not just hush

[ashen jungle]

ISAC 100% said nothing. I had audio dialogue on 100% just in case.

[cold bramble]

They did her dirty, really hope she ain’t dead

[ashen jungle]

I'm hoping they just forget about the Div1 characters entirely.

[toxic fjord]

I watched someone play through the mission, and there's nothing.

[ashen jungle]

I just want new stories.

[lone zephyr]

You can't have new lore without connecting it to old lore though. Then, its just random.bs

[ashen jungle]

Div2 campaign managed it fine without making it all about the div1 characters.

[cold bramble]

^

[plain junco]

i swear if they do to the div1 agent what they did to the deputy in new dawn

[toxic fjord]

I doubt it.

[rancid vapor]

I’ve beat number 1 and 2 divisions and don’t even know what the main story is

[toxic fjord]

There'd have been some mention of them, you'd think, but nope.

[cold bramble]

Season 5 Target - Div 1 Agent haha

[plain junco]

same but thanks to the writers my eye twitches when it comes to characters in the same series

[toxic fjord]

Fair.

[plain junco]

'how this for a plot twist the villain is your old character 😃 😃 '

[cold bramble]

Mentions of the div 1 agent?

[plain junco]

did they even confirm what happened to your div1 agent? or did they just go 'it's all up to your imagination'?

[cold bramble]

I remember hearing an audio from Benitez mentioning “Lau and her friend” but that’s about it

[ashen jungle]

oh god please no

[ashen jungle]

Officially, the div-1 agent is "soft-canon", so you can pretend what you like happened to them.

[toxic fjord]

They don't say anything either way, so it's left to interpretation.

[cold bramble]

I like to think our div 1 agent escorted Kendal to Michigan tbh

[lone zephyr]

Lore and characters dont have to be one in the same, it can just be world building.

[cold bramble]

my agent is dead from fighting the initial invasion of black tusk

[plain junco]

that's what i was thinking too

[ashen jungle]

If you think they're in Michigan, then they're in Michigan. It's all true. And that's actually the best way they could've done it.

[plain junco]

im mostly curious on what are they going to do after this manhunt like? we got no cutscene or anything so -- confusion

i imagine my div2 agent just being like '...tf we gonna do now??'

[lone zephyr]

This^

[ashen jungle]

I honestly think they're putting all the work into whatever is coming next, if history repeats itself then it's gonna be an Expansion announced sometime this month.

and coming out in March.

[lone zephyr]

I think so too, there's too much unanswered

[toxic fjord]

It'll probably be some manner of shit with the Russian woman, whoever she is

There's too much pointing that way for it not to be

[plain junco]

when it comes to my division characters - div1 = prepared actually uses thinking skills
div2 agent: head empty. wants to nap. stop making me do stuff.

[ashen jungle]

Sokolova, she's the daughter of the owner of Sokolov Concern (the SMG brand) and she herself is the Founder of Black Tusk.

[toxic fjord]

Yup.

[plain junco]

they could have had a cutscene with her talking or doing whatever

[ashen jungle]

Having Schaeffers manhunt be last would've made more sense, since that's the first time you hear her voice.

[toxic fjord]

Being entirely real, they probably have been affected by both corona and the other projects they're taking on even if those are in early stages

[plain junco]

that could also be it

[ashen jungle]

Oh sure, same as they couldn't get Nightmare up and running cause of COVID.

[toxic fjord]

Could just be working on a bigger DLC on top of that too

[plain junco]

covid did a number on a lot of projects

[ashen jungle]

I guess we did get Audio logs from farming the mission where Lau explained that she did it all to kill Ellis.

Apology: Benitez, etc.

[lone zephyr]

I will say and speaking on behalf of a dead guild, this expansion better be huge cause I had a lot of players say that they refuse to jump back on without a DLC that has 5 missions again.

[toxic fjord]

Which kind of ruins Black Tusk, doesn't it?

[plain junco]

now im imagining lau making an audio log for rhodes where she just says 'fuck you'

[ashen jungle]

She may have one for Rhodes, I've yet to finish farming it.

[toxic fjord]

No President, no Vice President because they killed him and everyone knows they're shitheads

[plain junco]

i bet she did make an audio log for him

[toxic fjord]

And she does, I'm pretty sure

[ashen jungle]

I'll speedrun it later on today and report back.

[plain junco]

would it be to much to hope that she made an audio log for div1 agent?

[ashen jungle]

"hey agent who did all my work for me, thanks"

[plain junco]

dsafydnhsakjfndsafdlk

[cold bramble]

yeh pretty much

[lone zephyr]

Lol that would be great honestly

[ashen jungle]

"you're an indeterminate gender of few words"

[plain junco]

'agent who went up against a bunch of enemies and probably almost died many times while doing all the work for me - thanks bruh'

[ashen jungle]

lmao

[cobalt slate]

so i just listened to faye's apology audio log. and she made it sound like she wanted to save the division by regaining the trust of the people. and she did this by killilng the people who put tarnished the name of the division. BUT, at the end of the keener mission, she said she wanted to bring the division to its knees. i'm like O_o

[vapid mantle]

She talked with Schaeffer that time, what she had to do, say "i joining to sabotage BTSU activity and come close to POTUS to kill him"? Lol

[hybrid hatch]

they better be releasing a rogue expansion pack atleast

[winter solar]

anyone else feel dissapointed with the manhunts because they seem to just be killing of characters that have potential

like they had the chance to add small cut scenes at the end of the manhunts just as you kill faye lau or bardon like they did with keener then progressing or hinting to the next part of the story

[ashen jungle]

I agree somewhat, but just a small thing: Bardon isn't dead.

[winter solar]

how and why

also the cutscene idea was for every manhunt target that couldve just hinted to the next one or just added more effort into the manhunts

[ashen jungle]

Upon beating Bardon:
ISAC: "life signs critical."
Kelso: "ah, he'll be fine"

[winter solar]

wait i totally missed that

[ashen jungle]

I had to do the mission 5 times, dw it was easy to miss if you did it once.

[winter solar]

yay more bardon character development haha

[ashen jungle]

It's more than likely he's in a hospital bed below the White House, or in some kinda cell, probably both.

If I was the JTF, I'd put him in the POTUS's bunker. One way in, same way out.

[winter solar]

wheres that?

is that the one where wyvern meets ellis

[ashen jungle]

IIRC it's below the Oval Office. Or nearish.

It's designed to last if a nuke hits the White House.

[winter solar]

ah okay thats cool i just hope ubi dont waste the oppurtunity for content with bardon

we need another raid too or op nightmare but i saw the convo up in the chat

[ashen jungle]

If we get another Expansion, I'd bet on a 3rd Raid.

[vapid mantle]

Depends on how your understanding word "content" differs from Massive's

[ashen jungle]

Covid hit them hard. They had to cancel the release of Nightmare this year because of it. Give them a break, ey.

[winter solar]

yeah true

[ashen jungle]

I'd bet that they've got something big planned, it's either gonna be released or announced next month.

[winter solar]

ill always play the game whenever new stuff comes out

[ashen jungle]

8th of March, we'll be told something then.

[winter solar]

is that the next ubi forward stream or sotg?

[ashen jungle]

Div1's release date, known as the Anniversary of the Franchise.

[winter solar]

ah okay

[ashen jungle]

it's also about when WONY and Div2 dropped, roughly.

[winter solar]

so around 19th march

[ashen jungle]

I'mma just stick with "March-ish".

[winter solar]

most probably the best idea

[vapid mantle]

@winter solar You asked about dissapointment. Well, there definitely taste of same dish, served for whole year.

[winter solar]

yep for manhunt it was do missions kill person repeat

[vapid mantle]

For me most problems were that was always same, some person connected to D1 as main target, and 4 nonames. And fighting versus every cell feels pointless, no affect on story. Unlike first year, where we got few new missions, but they moved us forward, all these mini-wony feels like "burning parent resources".
And also writings were so bad. I like read story from comms, it give at least some meaning to all pew-pew. But during seasons were almost nothing to expand picture, show something more. Always some empty talking about how rogues came to place, get something, arguing, not arguing, etc

[winter solar]

how was bardon and second manhunt linked to d1?

yeah second manhunt was first wave nvm

[vapid mantle]

Barton third

But true

At least we didn't kill him, maybe he will be reused later

[winter solar]

maybe if theres a new dlc its gon be bardon as the manin antagonist

[vapid mantle]

But Tchernenko, who could help with cure, especially after we got reactor, just dissapeared, for example

Actually, i don't see Barton as antagonist

[winter solar]

yeah alot of story arcs kinda just got added then left never to be added on unless they all get tied at the same time

[vapid mantle]

And i don't really believe in DLC, look on last manhunt, that better should be called bounty. They had whole year to do something really cool, even without cutscenes, they not really necessary. Mission itself could be cool, hard, long
Especially with persons on stage like Ellis and Lau, it should be some fortress to break.

But it's really like regular Oak

[winter solar]

yeah and the boss fights are underwhelming just go in a shoot them like a normal enemy

like stages to a boss would be much more enticing rather than dying to grenades and drones in the lau mission

but thats the same in every mission, you can literally two tap an enemy

[vapid mantle]

Covid just excuse, tbh, make at least one overwhelming mission, after copy-paste map activities for whole year, it's just lazyness.
Especially because it's Lau and whole plot around her plan.

[winter solar]

couldnt agree more

[vapid mantle]

I can understand Keener morality, and agree with him, but can't agree with his actions. Or at least how he was pictured.

[winter solar]

genuinely i played it knowing it was going to be the same as the other manhunts which is disappointing and shes a character that needed leading up to and suspense. shes been an ally for all the first game and a significant character and her boss fight was destroy a helicopter and kill her

[vapid mantle]

But Lau did everything right. At least on current moment

[winter solar]

she had alot of plot potential

but its canon that shes dead now that means her character development was for nothing

[vapid mantle]

You see, Lau was ally to the end, just SHD so twisted, that bad guy is not who did bad things, but who did something that ISAC calls bad. And opposite

And from our side it was impossible to fix

[winter solar]

she did have a point with her dialogue in the last battle saying "you are just a mindless drone controlled by ISAC" or something on the lines of that

maybe kajik was correct that we are fighting for the wrong side

[vapid mantle]

Well, it's true actually, in view what we did all the time, we just killed targets that were market from isac like enemies

But her better explanation in comms

[winter solar]

i havent listened to the comms

[vapid mantle]

Who control isac control us

[winter solar]

its a hierachy of unknown

[vapid mantle]

I like idea of this mission, exept her death, i don't like performance

Well, it's known hierachy, just it's compromised from beginning

Idea of SHD was to have people free from orders to do things that need to be done, having skills.
But then become clear that there are still orders, and they even more stricted than for regular forces. And any disobedience make person enemy for everyone, automatically. Even if doing right things.

[winter solar]

its a reminder that in technicality you wont have freedom no matter what i suppose

[vapid mantle]

Well, while playing by rules, that broken from beginning, yes

Just technically person who should control SHD was POTUS, previous

[winter solar]

POTUS?

[vapid mantle]

I don't remember name, he was killed by his guards, hired by BT

[winter solar]

ah okay

[vapid mantle]

Next president just became Ellis, by order

But he wasn't agree with SHD system, and it's understandable

[ashen jungle]

Menendez. BT paid them off with a way out of the city, then IIRC Schaeffer had them killed as a way to cover BT's tracks.

[vapid mantle]

Right, i just don't remember name, it's not really important.

[ashen jungle]

I think the first POTUS just died by Green Poison, no foul play. No one liked Menendez.

[vapid mantle]

And they not killed him directly, to make problems, they portrayed suicide

[ashen jungle]

Well they "paid" 2 of the Secret Service Agents to fake a suicide.

[vapid mantle]

Mendez activated SHD as i remember, so

[ashen jungle]

Yeah after the first POTUS died, makes sense. It's what they were made for, sorta.

[vapid mantle]

I don't think SHD was made from something certain, just was idea.
But everything work good only on paper

[ashen jungle]

True enough lol.

[vapid mantle]

Maybe in Mendes eyes it should work, or if he was alive, he could control it, as only person above ISAC. But he suddenly suicided

[ashen jungle]

ISAC isn't really "in charge" of anything, and not a person. He's just the "voice" of the SHD Network.

[vapid mantle]

ISAC not need to be in charge, he system itself

He watcher and judge for everything

[ashen jungle]

It, not he. ISAC is anthropomorphised due to its interactions with us, but it doesn't have sentience.
Think of it like Siri/Alexa.

[vapid mantle]

While he has male voice it can be counted as he. If there were more voices, like ANNA, or something i heard, he could be called They, i suppose

And it's not really important

[ashen jungle]

I disagree on the "if has male voice then it's a male" thing categorically, but since ISAC is an AI, I guess it could be argued that he/she/it/they/whatever might have a form of sentience. However ISAC never actually talks with us directly, just gives responses, makes me think they're more of a Siri-type system than a true AI.

[vapid mantle]

Siri voice actually certain woman voice, just digitized. And it's not called joe doe, it has female name

[ashen jungle]

Correction: Siri's voice is a real person yes, but the voice you hear on your system is not a real person talking. It's a digitised representation of her voice.

The fact that ISAC has a voice actor does not automatically mean that it is a real person.

[vapid mantle]

ISAC definitely can be counted as real person, otherwise he'd didn't beware of nearby Russians

[ashen jungle]

wat

[spare arrow]

"russians nearby"

[ashen jungle]

Well the conversation was fun while it lasted.

[cold bramble]

👀

[round sinew]

Counter point.

Everyone saying ISAC might be controlling us, both the in-game enemies, and people here.

This may be true. We might be good soldiers just following orders.

[ashen jungle]

If ISAC was controlling us, then I'd think the game would have better player retention.

[round sinew]

But I'll eat my boot if Black Tusk killing civilians are the "good guys"

Like we might be lied to in the game with ISAC manipulating us.

But ISAC can't control what the player character has seen.

ISAC can't control the audio logs we've discovered

Unless Massive is going to develop a huge asspull reason. Which I doubt, because "you were the bad guys all along" is an awful plot device.

Unless that happens, then the bad guys are the bad guys. We are the good guys.

Faye was marked to be dealt with because she went rogue and we hunt rogues, no matter their reason.

We weren't cleared to take out the president because regardless of him being a sellout, he's still the president and we're essentially his personal soldiers. Killing the president isn't something you can just do as a SHD agent.

That's why Faye went rogue, to do what we couldn't do. And she fully knew the consequences of her actions.

Simple as

As far as any rogue working with Keener is concerned, fuck em. They chose their side and their side was a genocidal maniac. They got their due.

[drifting lotus]

Its actually pretty funky.. despite the different paths both Lau and Keener took... they disavowed the division for the same reason... Being part of the Division was just not good enough

[upbeat timber]

I personally have to say I learn more about the game reading spoilers , maybe because I running through and forget about it later on

[ashen jungle]

Nah, most of the lore is slightly hidden. It's just us weirdo's who like to dig for it :p

[upbeat timber]

Lore is still story lol

I mean keeners watch was leaked so far ago but yet we got it know and most of us didn't knew back then

She said something like nice wrist watch when you are in the parking garage

That was refer to keeners watch when wony came ot made so much sense

[ashen jungle]

Not talking about leaks, but the in-game lore that's mostly hidden in comms and inferred by listening to several different ones back-to-back.

[upbeat timber]

O yea the pick up things

Echos?

[ashen jungle]

Comms too, mostly comms actually.

[upbeat timber]

Awe ok

[vapid mantle]

What i find bad in D2 echos and comms, they mostly situational, "local".
I remember D1 lore delivering, it were scenes and messages showing bigger picture, things that had meaning for game world. Were whole chain stories and echo-mini-investigations about key characters.
In D2 mostly we see/listen how some non important characters met some other non important characters in some random place and it gave non important outcome.
Ofc there some exceptions

[flat acorn]

Inb4 they do a hornet on Faye

[ashen jungle]

Lau laying there perfectly still with her eyes open.
"she's just resting".

[plain junco]

she's taken a quick eyes open nap

[gaunt ice]

“MENACINGLY!”

[plain junco]

she alright she just needs some milk

[ashen jungle]

"she's pining for the fjords"

[flat acorn]

With her EYE open 😉

[plain junco]

OHMYGOD

[flat acorn]

Hahahaha

[plain junco]

i forgot she had an eye patch lmfao

[ashen jungle]

I reckon she's doing the pirate thing where she keeps one eye covered to have better night vision.

[gaunt ice]

Now if she’s somehow still alive,I expect her to have 2 eyepatches

[ashen jungle]

2 eye patches and a wheelchair with a chaingun on it.

really, how does she not have a limp?

[flat acorn]

What would her call sign be

[ashen jungle]

Patches.

[gaunt ice]

Faye “Limbless” Lau

Or “Eyeless”

[ashen jungle]

"No Sis lol"

[gaunt ice]

Or maybe Daybat,cuz bats can’t see anything when flashed with light

[ashen jungle]

Actually bats can see fine in the daylight.

I've hugged a fruit-bat before. (dw, was at a Wildlife Park)

[gaunt ice]

I thought they use sounds?

[ashen jungle]

They do use them to help find prey, but the phrase "blind as a bat" isn't accurate.

[gaunt ice]

Lau-sin

Lost sister of Leesin

[ashen jungle]

I forget her sisters actual name now.

Heather? Yeah that's it.

[gaunt ice]

Heather Lau,yes

[gaunt ice]

Sisless

[ashen jungle]

Heather-less.

[tepid ibex]

Played the Lau mission got a few things to say

1. Convenient for a Black Tusk helicopter to have "electrical issues" considering their futuristic tech
2. Why did we HAVE to kill her after she bopped Ellis? Did he not kill the former POTUS just to take command and then proceed to start collaborating with the enemy? Did we really need him?

Faye working as a mole for the opposition really could have been useful in the long run

[gloomy sand]

it rlly isnt

if the game gave me an option to go perma rogue or become a hunter

you bet your ass im gonna do it lmao

[willow current]

I completetly agree. I still don't understand why we had to kill Lau and why we wanted the president back. If we get him back, all we get is a corrupt commander who won't be of any use. We already have Manny and Kelso giving us orders, right?

[gloomy sand]

kelso is the most useless agent to ever exist

she doesn't even revive you in missions she's in

[willow current]

I found out she can revive you on the ferry in the liberty island mission

[vapid mantle]

Unless people want end like Odessa, better not team with Kelso, she failed absolutely all psychological tests for joining SHD. It's female leeroy jenkins version.
And maybe it depends on difficulty, but she do almost no damage, just present in battle. Rambo lmg jtf more efficient.

[plain junco]

tbh no one passed the psychological tests for joining SHD

from the looks of it

[gloomy sand]

LOL

"rambo lmg jtf more efficient" 💀

[gloomy sand]

they were probably like "nah they've been in the military and didn't do dumb shit, should be fine bro nothing can go wrong."

and didnt bother to check their medical records of severe psychopathy and multiple personality disorder

[plain junco]

I see kelso more like 'Kay fuck authority'

[barren patio]

i got mad at Kelso for doing absolute nothing xD idk was kinda heated since i died 4 times when i fighted Aaron

[lime musk]

so when you kill Lau there is no cutscene no sum-up no nothing?

[lethal cedar]

Kelso be like "so, yeah, why she does that huh? let's go back home and regroup" and does nothing else

we didnt even get "Rogue Agent Eliminated" message

[lime musk]

yeah, same. fell robbed

[vapid mantle]

I'd prefer no message at fight end means Lau just neutralized, like Barton

[lethal cedar]

i sort of stay true to the trailer by using a lady death and Claw out and punch her out

[vapid mantle]

In trailer she actually blocked/parried

[lone zephyr]

I am pretty sure they didn't do nothing cause they originally were going to end the game with this season, but they just announced today that they are adding more content. couldve been the whole COVID thing too, but i think it was a last minute change to the mission and supposed to be a cliffhanger prior to the announcement. but who knows with massive

[round sinew]

Well, time to scale Summit on my own since they made it so I can play with the difficulty. Nothing else to do. Either that or keep playing Valhalla.

[tepid ibex]

Rikers supposed to be the bad guys in TD2 but we're the ones out here killing them for "playing music too loudly at all hours of the night" 🤨

Also I could of swore I saw a notification over some Rikers in the open world saying "aiding civilians" but since I saw it too late and ran past them they got agro'd on me. Hope to see it again to make sure I'm not hallucinating

[sick lantern]

“aiding civilians” is 100 percent out of character for Rikers

are you sure it didn’t say “raiding civilians”?

and yea they really fucked with the Rikers’ identity in Division 2, especially by retconning a rogue agent into freeing them instead of Barret

[tepid ibex]

Maybe it was but all I can rememeber is itt was a synonym for helping civilians.

[cold bramble]

helping could mean extorting supplies for "protection"

[sick lantern]

probably

[tepid ibex]

They came up with a good excuse for that tho. Larae needed to act like she was the one who freed them all to affirm her leadership in the Rikers. It made all the Rikers believe she freed them when really it was Dragov who gave her the keys

[sick lantern]

that’s not really an excuse, it just makes Larae look like a bit of a bitch for no good reason. she’s not a ruthless gangster who controls others with violence and charisma, she’s a bottom feeder who needs others to do her work for her. it’s character assassination plain and simple

[cold bramble]

i suggest you look into riker lore videos

[sick lantern]

what the ones from Division 1?

off the top of my head there are two echos where she kills someone herself, one phone recording where she stabs a guy and one phone call where she personally coerces someone into running guns for her, and a phone call/s that describe how she charmed the warden into helping get her out and then killed him

[tepid ibex]

Or, now just or, that IS her character, a bottom feeder whom just so happens to glorify violence at the same time. She was acting the whole time to remain leader and make sure no one challenged her for leadership.

[sick lantern]

just seems completely unnecessary- Barret is completely capable of being a bad bitch but needs the help of the new villain to actually start any of it? fact of the matter is, Division 2 (or at least WoNY) is full of character assassination- Larae Barret, Aaron Keener, Faye Lau, Paul Rhodes

[tepid ibex]

What other way should they have added James Dragov? What faction could he be the leader of? Or are you just disappointed they made up the story about how Dragov was the one that released Larae afterall?

[sick lantern]

the latter

although, it could’ve been cool to see someone unite to dregs off the street into an actually menacing force, like Madison Field Hospital but on a larger scale

[plain junco]

wait paul rhodes suffered character assassination? i just thought him being a dick carried over to div2

[sick lantern]

well he abandoned the JTF to form Haven and has locked them out of it, even though he never showed disdain for the JTF in Div 1

[plain junco]

oh yeah that - paul rhodes in general just gets on my nerves

[round sinew]

Paul left due to a disagreement after the JTF HQ gets bombed. It's totally reasonable he just got into a bad fight and bailed.

Iirc, it was because of the Division

[tepid ibex]

I was interested in the phone call you were talking about to see if they really did mention that. Turns out in the phone call Riker 1 said to Riker 2 "Where'd that fuckin' barge come from? ----- You know that stupid-ass administrator had a thing for her - she got him to do it all. Then when he thought he was gonna ride off to glory with his outlaw woman, she slit his throat. ----- Shit, she is one stone cold bitch, isn't she?" Although they don't talk about who gave Larae the keys specifically, it just sounds like the administrator guy got her into Manhattan. Sounds like Larae might have given Riker 2 some misinformation about the administrator doing "it all"👀

[sick lantern]

so she can get this “administrator” to procure a barge but needs a convenient rogue agent to get some keys for her
Really just seems like poor writing imo

[round sinew]

Ferro got to stand on his own.

Why not Barret

[tepid ibex]

I respect your opinion but it makes sense to me. It's all about the adminstrator and Dragov being in the right place at the time. Dragov could have been at the cells and gotten a key to release Larae while the administrator was fooled to get a barge when after Larae was out. I'm telling you, I'm convinced Larae lied to cover her ass and make herself look like she got out by the simple manipulation of the administrator and saying she used him just to kill him so she can assert her dominance over the Rikers

[sick lantern]

it’s still a retcon and retcons still suck

[ashen jungle]

What's a retcon?

[spare arrow]

rewriting a backstory, "retconning" a previous writer's work

[ashen jungle]

Lol no I mean like, what is the retcon in this situation?

[spare arrow]

oh

[round sinew]

There isn't.

It's less a retcon and more like Frank Herbert dune novels or the star wars prequels.

It's just building onto previous canon.

Whether or not it makes for a good addition is up to the individual.

At least we're getting new content later this year.

Too bad the devs didn't know that until we did.

[vernal crystal]

After completing the Faye mission do I need to go speak to someone somewhere? Is there anything else to do? I ask because its still showing the mission as there and not complete even tho the manhunt shows as complete

[gaunt ice]

as disappointing as it sounds,yes theres nothing

you'll have to wait for dlc 3,assuming they'll make one

[round sinew]

Tbh, I wish they'd just leave it and move on to Division 3.

Sort of like how Breakpoint got abandoned. Just make the next one better, don't try to make the corpse you have better.

[untold blaze]

Maybe they're working on it like when td1 was released, they had a team working on td2 (at least from what I've heard)

Yet they still released content for td1

[round sinew]

That sounds worse imo. Massive is a decently sized studio, but they're working on 2 other major games right now. I'd hate to see them split too many resources between Division 2 and Division 3 when they could put it all into Division 3.

But since we know Division 2 has support for 2 more years, I don't think there's much effort into Division 3 right now.

On top of that, I wonder if the 2 years of support will be next-gen only or on current gen consoles.

Will any new DLCs or game modes be locked out for current gen consoles?

[cloud apex]

They wouldn't do that, not many people are able to get a hold of the new consoles and there are talks about shortage this year

[dry star]

question, as I've never seen this before and I'm a little confused:
I've completed all of my hunters several times over and have had them completed since Y1 and Y2 WoNY launch.

Recently, I went to the Washington Monument CP, and I've never see this before, but I got hunter disruption as I approached it, I couldn't see him but I think he was camping on the topmost platform. Is this Ghost?

[round sinew]

Could be.

There's a bunch of points around the city where they spawn in.

[cold bramble]

it's a stalking hunter

[spark scroll]

hey guys, after you see the echo of lau killing the president where do you go

[untold blaze]

Where you'd normally go during the camp white oak mission

The manhunts are basically just reskins of missions

[lilac mason]

You dont even take any different paths

[tepid ibex]

Why does Black Tusk keep setting up at locations they previously failed defending. The location is compromised, why go back lmao.

[lilac mason]

Ye and its always these 1-4 dudes running around killing their people and slipping past their defenses through conveniently placed compromisations

[ashen jungle]

Mostly it's to gather something that was left behind/someone else left.

[cold bramble]

We don't reuse their gear tbf so they have alot of reusable items to pick up

Lunchboxes, emps, drones, armor etc.

[mint citrus]

Isn't on-site procurement one of the ways Division agents acquire gear?

What's stopping an agent from stealing weapons and equipment left behind and 'repurposing' it?

[cold bramble]

The fact we need Isaac to use majority of our shit, and we do pick up weapons

Armor too if you want to get snippy but not their actual armor

[spare arrow]

A Division agent can use whatever they find that isnt being actively used, but its mostly up to preference.

[cold bramble]

Always ends up being weapons

[spare arrow]

If we really wanted to we could grab a full kit from a dead dude

[ashen jungle]

dibs on the dead guys hat.

[gaunt ice]

provided it survived 20-25 rounds of 5.56 or sometimes a couple .50 caliber,of course

[ashen jungle]

If Schaeffer can survive what I did to him, then I'm sure a Hyena can take a few bullets.

[gaunt ice]

the gear,not the person

[ashen jungle]

I'm fairly sure bone is tougher than a straw hat.

[gaunt ice]

pistol?you dont hit their holster all the time

uniforms?i can strip them for cloths

broken weapon can be recycles for scraps

[ashen jungle]

What you get up to on Valentine's day is none of my concern.

[gaunt ice]

wait what

😮

now that you mentioned,i did not realise that its today

[tepid ibex]

If we didn't have ISAC then the SHD would be sent back to the 'stone age' and we would just be like the LMB then, tech-wise. Aka not much tech at all and nothing to consider us futuristic.

[sick lantern]

well rogue agents still have access to SHD tech

[ashen jungle]

Rogue Agents have their own version that was developed by Theo and friends, nicknamed "ANNA".

[sick lantern]

they still did before that

[tepid ibex]

Well I'm particularly talking about the Manhunt Camp White Oak mission. If Black Tusk knows Ellis is a high value target it sure is stupid to allow him to go to a compromised location, even if that's what Faye Lau wanted.

[ashen jungle]

Lau was pretty high up in the organisation by that point.

[sick lantern]

and also Hunters have access to SHD tech or some equivalent of it

[ashen jungle]

She was one of the main ppl in the BTSU, and you do not say "no" to the BTSU.

[ashen jungle]

We have no idea what Hunters are, at best right now they're freelancers, or at least one is.

we can insinuate and assume, but anything more than that is pure speculation.

[round sinew]

Reminder rogue agents pre-ANNA activation used backdoors to ISAC

[ashen jungle]

true, but that was dicey at best.

[round sinew]

And we know nothing about Hunters so any statements on what they do is pointless.

[tepid ibex]

I actually think Ellis chose that spot (Camp White Oak) because I rememeber listening to a comm where Faye and him talk about meeting up and Ellis was the one that brought it up perhaps

[ashen jungle]

subtle influence is a skill that a lot of SHD Agents seem to have. Like us basically tricking Odessa into working with us in exchange for a pretty easy favour.

[round sinew]

Agreed. In some lore it seems you can be marked Rogue and still use skills. And in other mentions, the backdoor makes it so you aren't marked rogue. Maybe different iterations of backdoors, or a pre-ANNA "local" rogue network?

[spare arrow]

Camp White Oak is loosely based on Camp David, a military base/presidential retreat, which means Ellis likely chose the spot himself as he has/knows the layout of the base.

[ashen jungle]

I'm convinced there's some forms of Rogue that are different to others, various levels. It would explain the DZ in-canon.

[round sinew]

Also by the time we're currently at in Division 2, Black Tusk has jailbroken SHD tech, so everything is moot.

[sick lantern]

i came to the same conclusion

for example Faye Lau in survival makes it pretty clear that she's okay with you killing other division agents, as long as you make it out alive with the antivirals

[round sinew]

Iirc, DZ is in lore as a local ISAC network separate from ISAC, which is why you can go rogue without staying rogue forever

None of this lore has to make sense. We're playing Destiny basically.

[ashen jungle]

SHD agents have always been okay'd with killing Rogues, so I don't think that statement is a fair comparison, Kirby. When you go Rogue, you have officially committed Treason. You're a dead woman/man the moment your watch is Red.

[sick lantern]

"Transmissions jammed. Proximity coverage only."

[sick lantern]

in Survival there are no Rogues

[sick lantern]

and theres the Rogue Dispatcher who helps you deactivate the rogue status

[ashen jungle]

Then that likely can't be taken into Canon, which explains why MSV refuse to acknowledge it and will never do a sequel.

them jumping on the Battle Royale train always annoyed me anyway.

[round sinew]

I'm pretty sure Survival is flavored so any agent you meet is supposed to be rogue, but I may be wrong.

[sick lantern]

fortnite BR wasnt even out yet so im gonna have to disagree with you there

[round sinew]

Also remember that DZ merchants are SHD agents as well.

[ashen jungle]

Fortnite was not the first big battle royale, Kirby.

[round sinew]

^

[ashen jungle]

it was a "thing" at the time, a bunch of games were doing it.

[spare arrow]

MINECRAFT SURVIVAL GAMES BOIIIS

[sick lantern]

Battle royale did not achieve its success because of H1Z1 i can tell you that

[spare arrow]

its because of minecraft, not Forknife

[ashen jungle]

Oh jeez. The movie Battle Royale kinda negates this entire conversation lol.

[sick lantern]

the battle royale train as we see it now, with CoD and Battlefield, the Division did it before it really took off

[round sinew]

kirby forgetting how old PubG and ARMA is.

[sick lantern]

Division survival came out before PUBG too

[ashen jungle]

the movie came out 16 years before div1 did, name one that came out earlier.

[cold bramble]

1 year off

pubg came first

[round sinew]

Huh. PUBG isn't as old as I thought it was. I stand corrected.

[spare arrow]

anyways minecraft survival games was before all of that, shy the movie

[ashen jungle]

^

[sick lantern]

division survival released november 2016, PUBG and Fortnite were 2017

[round sinew]

Either way, BR was still popular before those games.

[sick lantern]

true but not quite as popular

[round sinew]

Pretty popular

[ashen jungle]

Hunger Games (book) arguably popularised it even more than the Battle Royale movie did.

same premise with the arena with scattered weapons and supplies.

[round sinew]

Popular enough to get an East European modder to make an entire game based on arma out of it.

[ashen jungle]

hah, exactly. And one in Minecraft before that, because the internet is full of wonderful weebs.

[round sinew]

Hell, PUBG only came to existence because it's DAYZ without zombies

[spare arrow]

pubg release: July 30, 2016
minecraft hunger games: June 9th, 2012
div1 survival dlc drop: September 2016

yeah pubg came first

(excluding MC)

[ashen jungle]

And with fortnite, it's battle royale mode wasnt even added for like 4 months after it came out, so its even later.

[round sinew]

DayZ was like, what, 2010ish?

[ashen jungle]

July > September.

[round sinew]

Yeah but who played Fortnite for Save the World?

[sick lantern]

"PUBG was first released for Microsoft Windows via Steam's early access beta program in March 2017, with a full release in December 2017."

-Wikipedia

[ashen jungle]

Minecraft Survival was 2012, DayZ was 2013.

[round sinew]

Asking half seriously, I never played Fortnite

[round sinew]

Was that the game or the mod?

[ashen jungle]

they're both mods lol

[round sinew]

Well yeah, but like

[ashen jungle]

:p

[spare arrow]

dayz standalone was 2013

[round sinew]

There's the mod, then the official- Thanks.

[ashen jungle]

technically speaking Rust was 2 days before DayZ standalone.

[round sinew]

Like PUBG existed before it was a standalone

Every good game was a mod at first lmao

[spare arrow]

regardless, battle royales didnt catapult into its current situation because of survival

[ashen jungle]

Tetris is the only exception.
:p

[sick lantern]

yes, thats what i was saying

[round sinew]

Idk, I kinda like the idea Fortnite ran because Division walked.

[ashen jungle]

Lol, more like "no one liked Survival and it nearly killed div1"

[round sinew]

Really gives props to Massive. They need the win rn.

I liked Survival. >:(

[ashen jungle]

Underground and Survival both were hated on release.

[round sinew]

I liked them both. >:(

[ashen jungle]

i didnt mind Underground! But the wide response was "eww no".

crazy time back then. It's fun seeing people now looking back on them fondly, is all.

[round sinew]

Well. Remember, that was still when Division was widely still interpreted as a Tom Clancy game, not a diet RPG

[ashen jungle]

also "always online is evil" was the general thought at the time.

[round sinew]

It took a while for the perspective to shift

It still is evil, change my mind.

Always online is an affront for third world countries like the US

[ashen jungle]

I live in Australia.

nuff said.

[round sinew]

I bet you have better IT infrastructure in the outback than we do in any major city

American IT infrastructure is busted

[spare arrow]

^

[round sinew]

Always Online is seriously a hindrance to a lot of people.

[ashen jungle]

Australia has worse internet than Uganda.

in the cities.

we recently dug up the copper cables and....replaced them with new copper.

[spare arrow]

ayy new copper hell yeah

[ashen jungle]

too right mate

[round sinew]

The only places we have decent IT is Silicon Valley, Chicago, NYC, and... Cleveland.

That's about it.

[ashen jungle]

our equivalent to Silicon Valley is a hipster making a pour-over coffee in a share house.

with minimal snakes.

[round sinew]

You can actually follow the line in the US because it's literally a huge fiber optic network that runs between Silicon Valley and NYC, and Chicago and Cleveland sit on the cable route.

[ashen jungle]

it'd be nice to have that.

[round sinew]

That's why Chicago and CLE have banking server HQs in their cities because they just literally dig into the internet root or something Idk I'm not an IT specialist.

Internet and computers are magic to me. I'll believe anything you tell me.

Anyways

D2 is dead, everything is pointless, SHD tech is open source now, we are all war criminals.

And, uh, Fuck Ubisoft

There. Back to our regularly scheduled programming

[flat acorn]

Well for such a huge country it's no surprise but I live in rural ireland where there are towns that rely on 3g to browse the internet. Some people actually still need to travel to their jobs during the pandemic because their areas have no internet. Stuck in the stone ages.

[round sinew]

I still Stan Ireland as a podium of bucolic charm tho

[flat acorn]

Absolutely, I live at the very tip top of the country and there are perks of it, just not in terms of internet. To the government it seems anywhere outside the cities does not exist, until they make money on tourism 😂

[honest hemlock]

Why is the end of season 4 so disappointing

[merry spindle]

how many of the events in this game do you guys find impressive?

[honest hemlock]

Idk but this was so incredibly anticlimactic

[merry spindle]

i have not done most of the reanimated events, but the appereal event has never been too much

[honest hemlock]

Why not even a cutscene at least

[merry spindle]

yea, waited for that one myself

[honest hemlock]

Lau and eillis die and that’s it? Lmao

[merry spindle]

and the rewards

[sick lantern]

its either a fake out or genuinely shit

[merry spindle]

not everyone use pulse, atleast thros a exotic cache in the rewards

[honest hemlock]

Mission didn’t even have any new mechanics

Felt like any normal mission

[merry spindle]

copy and paste

seen that in Summit too, after a few levels i see a piece i skipped picking up

[honest hemlock]

Lel

Inb4 we gotta wait for the new content they announced they’re gonna be releasing in the future to know what happens after s4 ending

[sick lantern]

inb4 Lau pulls a Hornet and comes back to life

[honest hemlock]

🥶

[sick lantern]

speaking of Hornet why didnt they put the Damascus in the game with him

and why didnt they add a Rikers boss named Medved

[echo sapphire]

Bro wtf is this manhunt that ending was GARBAGE

[round sinew]

Welcome

Did you know they added rewards to Summit? Some cool stuff, too.

[raw escarp]

Like what?

[round sinew]

Patches, spraypaints, backpack charm, and an exotic

None of that was there when I first rode Summit up. Now I have a reason to keep going, I wanna see what I get at 100.

[fringe vine]

Why is everything red , i completed the last mission of the story

now what comes next? more shooting and griding?

[night lagoon]

invasion of black tusk

more shooting yah

[cold bramble]

pay attention to cutscenes

[fringe vine]

Now i unlucked quartermaster to unlock skill tree interesting

wich one is good for dmg and tanking?

[round sinew]

inhale

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[plain junco]

no this is patrick

[gaunt ice]

No,this.IS.SPARTA

[cold bramble]

no, this is hornet! who's calling? p.s. i'm still alive

[sick lantern]

🔫 Your SHD tech. Hand it over.

[spark scroll]

okay i think thats the fastest i ever melted a Rogue Agent, CP4 with a minigun and pesti max bar

anyone else ever find themselves taking shit back to the NPC's both friendly and hostile?

[gaunt ice]

Uh uh

Hand me your life or die

[spark scroll]

Request Denied, Fite me

[cold bramble]

let's hope it's the former over the latter

[spark scroll]

i totally forgot how much fun a god role Stoner LMG can be with the large Gunner pouch

[cold bramble]

hey try getting it with mag size as a roll and mix it with frenzy for a combo that is a little unusual but very much powerful

[spark scroll]

well 250 rounds of 103k DPS + a DPS 2/3rds dial and high crits = the same

[gaunt ice]

Either way it’s shite

[gaunt ice]

How about 4 TP with 4 red core on it

All chc,chd

You’ll have 300+ rounds

[viscid egret]

doing coney island after WONY

very cool

[gloomy sand]

I hope kelso dies

extremely useless agent that doesn't even do dmg in missions she's in

alongside not even reviving you if you're down

a random jtf you see on the streets in open world is more useful than her

[digital hemlock]

She is good as a decoy. I think.

[gaunt ice]

Lore-wise,no
Gameplay-wise,yes

[ashen jungle]

Kelso? Lore-wise she's our eyes in a mission.

[vapid mantle]

In which mission Kelso our eyes ?

[ashen jungle]

Every single one she's got a voice in. Her drone scouts ahead for us.

Try turning the dialogue on, you tend to miss a lot of lore with it off.

[round sinew]

Why do I feel like I see the same things here every morning.

Is it Groundhog Day

Am I Bill Murray?

I don't want to be Bill Murray.

[ashen jungle]

You can be Emily Blunt instead?

[vapid mantle]

These are some fantasies about Kelso, she see missions disposition in same way as Manny, Roy, Paul, Fae, through our ISAC scout signal. Aside of those, where participates personally, and even there don't really tell what lie ahead.
In missions with real drone reconnaissance us are helped by Cindy, like in Cony, for example, or Sanders in Pentagon missions.
In D1 there were 3 accompanying persons, accordingly with mission color, mostly. In D2 just two voices all the time and between them i'd chose Manny, he at least not annoying and edgy.
I'd like even more, that missions related with Theater/Campus were accompanied by settlements leaders.

[round sinew]

I now never want to hear "fantasy" and "Kelso" in the same sentence ever again.

As a real opinion, however, Manny is exceedingly annoying.

[spare arrow]

Kelso playing a fantasy ttrpg in her freetime

Kelso with her fantasy of a perfect world

[round sinew]

If I have to hear that Pilot Torres is cleared for transpo to Kenly College one more time, I'm going rogue.

[ashen jungle]

Kelso is the kinda GM that doesnt let Nat 1's kill a party.

[spare arrow]

Kelso would accidentaly crit confirm tho

[round sinew]

Kelso would railroad you into an unwinnable encounter with no way out and get mad when you all die instead of run.

[ashen jungle]

Kelso wouldn't let that one creep start an ERP.

[round sinew]

Kelso would only give you cursed items.

God I'm so happy my session is tonight now. I have something to look forward to. I'm giving my players cursed items.

[ashen jungle]

Kelso would do all Dwarves with a terrible Scottish accent.

[round sinew]

This is no longer game spoilers. This channel is now for Division 2-DnD crossover talk.

Kelso would use FATAL rules.

[ashen jungle]

Keener would always play as a Chaotic Neutral.

brought it back round.

[round sinew]

THAT ONE MAKES ME ANGRY

He's the quintessential Chaotic Dumb character.

[ashen jungle]

you cant just say how you feel, that makes me angry!

[round sinew]

"I'm doing this because I'm a loose cannon who plays by my own rules and I try to make things right my own way. Therefore I'm CN"

proceeds to antagonize teammates
betrays NPC allies
murderhobo

[ashen jungle]

and plays as a Paladin the whole time.

[round sinew]

Literally shaking in rage rn

I want more himbos in Division. Or Tom Clancy games in general.

The closest we have is Manny.

[gaunt ice]

Kenly is lame

So bloody lame

Question:why don’t allied forces take over those strongholds?

So that Invaded missions would never happen?

[cold bramble]

duct taped together guns

not literally but they have nothing to use so i.e duct tape

[untold blaze]

NERF WAR

[cold bramble]

agreed

[cold bramble]

does anyone know anything about that hunter mask in amusement park?

i mean the friday 13th one, not the one you get with schäffer

[plain junco]

yall still on that 'kelso must die' thing i see

[plain junco]

i never knew i wanted something like this until now

[cold bramble]

nah

just but him in a box and ship him to some other state

also am i the only one who got blueballs after killing faye lau? like... literally killing my fav char from the first game and nothing

i mean we prob gonna get a teaser in a few months but still

[sick lantern]

that seems to be the general consensus

[cold bramble]

also...

after killing her she had that "allied npc" symbol with her name abbove her

as if she wasnt dead

doubletap made that go away tho >>

[sick lantern]

yea people have been speculating it may be a fake out

[cold bramble]

well it cant be if i doubletap

but would be great

[sick lantern]

tell that to Hornet lol

[cold bramble]

lmao

hornet is the bad guy from evil within 2 if u ask me

hm... i mean i just hope we get anything when this season ends

would be nice if it had to do with hunters but we had that idea often enough now too lol

[plain junco]

-- when i play evil within 2 i will be expecting hornet to pop up

[cold bramble]

still got the theory that division agents are more made than chosen and the hunters are failed onse that hunt agents for revenge

[cold bramble]

secret ending, you kill the highpriest and keener baams through a brick wall and revieves him

[cold bramble]

kinda like v for vendetta, might even fit with the virus

huh... are there actually any secrets in the darkzones?

[round sinew]

Tbh, I'll be a little mad if Faye plays dead.

They wasted that card on Hornet for no reason, they're not allowed to do it again so soon.

[gloomy sand]

rather be a hunter than a division agent

atleast I get to blow things up and kill kelso

boy the money I would pay to get to see her in a grave

[cold bramble]

im not gonna ask why >>

[round sinew]

The Kelso hate itches a red flag in my head for some reason.

[mint citrus]

How so?

[plain junco]

to me it makes no sense tbh

[ashen jungle]

right?

[cold bramble]

no.

[ashen jungle]

Explain to me why you hate Kelso then.

[cold bramble]

i just wanted to say no

i'm not part of this pepelaugh

[terse star]

Kelso is best div2 waifu

if you disagree you are a bad person

[ashen jungle]

Can we not have a character that is liked without also being sexualised?

[terse star]

no

[tiny abyss]

cringe

[terse oak]

cringe

[cold bramble]

super cringe

[plain junco]

the hell

[ashen jungle]

I honestly don't know if that's a reaction to mine or their comment, and I really don't wanna know.

[cold bramble]

omega super ultra nightmare cringe

[lilac mason]

Pilot Torres is the one

We love her simply because she is cleared for transpo to Kenly College

[plain junco]

theirs

[ashen jungle]

No I mean their comments, I assumed yours was sane.

[cold bramble]

if you think being a waifu is "being sexualized" you are the one who created the problem, beyond the serious shippers, it's an innocent concept and a variant of "shes a nice character" and a joke name for it

also the sexualized side will never stop till both sides stop so you'll need to find a tolerance

[plain junco]

you typed a lot to say nothing

[gaunt ice]

Morshu?

[cold bramble]

ah the believe what i say or don't say anything at all approach

nice

[terse star]

Stop it. You'll scare them with your logic and reasonable explanation.

[gaunt ice]

^

agreed

[terse star]

Kelso best waifu.

[unreal widget]

Enough! All of you!

[cold bramble]

what did I missed?

nvm

[terse star]

Nothing

[gaunt ice]

lets agree to not talk about this.Ever again

[cold bramble]

so how’s life?

[gaunt ice]

pretty cool until Camp White Oaks Manhunt

[untold blaze]

i see the message 'Kelso best waifu.' my mood instantly dampens

complete 180

day ruined

[gaunt ice]

"My disappointment is immeasurable,and my day is ruined."

so,anyway what do you peeps think year 3 has?

[untold blaze]

its like whenever someone dms me a polish femboy meme gif