division-universe

[gaunt ice]

Like China,India,3rd world countries

[buoyant imp]

even though realistically the US pays for their equipment

[gaunt ice]

No more now

[buoyant imp]

Exactly

[gaunt ice]

I just thought of this

Whoever did this probably funded Amherst

[buoyant imp]

Exactly

Now.. Who would have done that hm?

[gaunt ice]

US govs are innocents(wow first time)

Russians are such a plot cliche now

[buoyant imp]

Governors or government?

[gaunt ice]

Governments

[buoyant imp]

Well

That's debatable

Again people who worked for the CIA are very good at covering their tracks.

[gaunt ice]

But why would they try to tear the country down?

Oh wait nvm

Keener psych

[buoyant imp]

I'm not talking about the CIA itself God dammit

[gaunt ice]

Yes

[buoyant imp]

everyone. Can. Be. Corrupted

[gaunt ice]

But I’m talking about the mega Corp or corrupted lads behind this

I do think Motozola(or whatever her name is)knows something

You know,IH last boss?

She was apparently involved in some “political horseshit”

[buoyant imp]

In fact... Some People in the DHS could be behind this as well

[gaunt ice]

Wait DHS?who?

Whats dhs?

[buoyant imp]

Department of Homeland Security

What SHD falls under.

Who they take orders from. Who activated them.

who could have given special missions from

Everyone sees DHS as big brother..

Who can't do wrong.

[gaunt ice]

Last time I remember,on paper SHD only answers to the the President himself

[buoyant imp]

Who better to execute the biggest terrorist attack on the planet than someone who ran simulations of EXACTLY THIS EVENT

Than the ones who know this country inside and out

And no. DHS is a arm of the president

He can't command them all. Someone has to.

[gaunt ice]

And that guy answers to the president too

But given the president is a pussy,it doesn’t matter much

[buoyant imp]

I was also told TC's universe is connected but I don't believe that for a second

End war cough cough

[gaunt ice]

That’s quite unlikely,cuz the time doesn’t match up

[buoyant imp]

Exactly lmao

[gaunt ice]

Rivsie had a theory,is that Division is a game made by Ubisoft within WD

[buoyant imp]

WD?

[gaunt ice]

Watch dogs?

[buoyant imp]

Ah

[gaunt ice]

Sry too lazy to write it out

[buoyant imp]

Nah I can't see that

[gaunt ice]

But anyway,Ubisoft canonically exist in WD universe

[buoyant imp]

Well yeah that I know

[gaunt ice]

But so is Division

One of the safehouses in NYC has a Ubisoft logo

Inside

So essentially my idea is that TD1 and 2 takes place between wd2 and legion

We were never given the exact date and year of the events in both franchises,only timemarks like Christmas or summer or Black Friday

That’s why we have ctOS,to help control and stabilize the city after the pandemic because the govs by this point are not taking any chance

[cold bramble]

👀 Far cry 5 happens during it too, it's explained while reading splinter cells easter egg logs in that game

[gaunt ice]

Is that sarcasm?

Oh wait

GODDAMMIT

[buoyant imp]

I swear we should start a podcast and debate this shit

[gaunt ice]

I.FORGOT.TOM CLANCY DIDNT MAKE WATCH DOGS

[buoyant imp]

Yeeeep

[cold bramble]

😐 all ubisoft games are connected

doesnt make sense but thats what they want with those logs easter eggs

[buoyant imp]

LMB fight me

[gaunt ice]

Oh wait

I remembered something

[buoyant imp]

I think we can all agree the cleaners are sadist.

[gaunt ice]

In the collectors edition(or dz edition,SS version or something),there’s a music disk

And it said on the cover that they’re going to connect all Ubi games together

[buoyant imp]

I'm gonna stop you right there

[gaunt ice]

Go on

[buoyant imp]

They need to at least remember Ghost recon advanced warfighter 2

Mexico got fucking NUKED

Second of all they need to remember end war

Third of all they need to acknowledge the ghosts

[gaunt ice]

I....did not play any of the Ghost Recon

[buoyant imp]

YOU WHAT

YOU FUCKING WHAT?

Nah nah nah we gon fight you boutta catch this hands

[gaunt ice]

I’m poor lol

[cold bramble]

@gaunt ice https://youtu.be/xmirti5HsO4?t=260

[buoyant imp]

Bruh

[gaunt ice]

I only got this game because I won a bet with my friend that they’re going to give TD1 for free

[cold bramble]

correction on my part its in new dawn

[tepid ibex]

If it is true and Black Tusk is of Russian descent then they may have struck a plan/deal with Amherst or Vitaly. He produces and releases the virus and they try to get world domination, or atleast domination over the USA.

[cold bramble]

the aftermath of 5

[buoyant imp]

... Charles did you mean hunters or black tusk because there is a very big big oversight on that claim

like the fact the black tusk are us military wash outs and war criminals and speak perfect English

[tepid ibex]

BT 👀

[buoyant imp]

Boi

BOI

What's next are the hyenas secretly furries and the outcasts are a religious cult?

are the true sons the true soldiers?

Cuz that's how outlandish that sounds

[gaunt ice]

I’m sure Vitaly is innocent

Amherst just stole his research and use it to his own favor

[gaunt ice]

Yas

So it is true that Tom Clancy and other Ubi games are connected

[buoyant imp]

There is no way BT is anywhere close to working with the Russians.

[tepid ibex]

@buoyant imp Maybe the Americans (whom are the ones who speak perfect English) working for them don't even know all the intentions BT higher-ups have? For all the soldiers know, they're trying to save their country, but really the higher-ups in BT are Russian and plan to take over America for themselves. Stay w👁️ke

[buoyant imp]

Cease

[tepid ibex]

@buoyant imp That's more or less someone elses theory I've seen further up this channel

That BT are Russian

[buoyant imp]

The fuck...

No. I don't see that.

Tho

[gaunt ice]

I mean,their boss is a Russian

Chick

[buoyant imp]

I like the idea that breakpoint and the division are on the same timeline.

[gaunt ice]

That should explain the tech in breakpoint

[buoyant imp]

And universe

Exactly

WAIT THIS WOULD BE PERFECT

In future soldier Russia had a inner power struggle and almost nuked America

[cold bramble]

my personal headcanon is that the wolves are precursers to the hunters

[buoyant imp]

Russia is in tatters. So, someone who was with the ultra nationalists hired BT to take over America or at least destroy it

[tepid ibex]

Yup

[buoyant imp]

Charles you mad genius

BUT

The theory only works if GR and TD are connected

[gaunt ice]

I have another theory,is that the hunters are Russian,they’re here to recover Amherst’s work to that the virus programming techniques by Vitaly would stay exclusive to Russia

[buoyant imp]

That one has many problems

[gaunt ice]

And eliminating anyone who knows this(orange watch bois and green jacket lads)

[buoyant imp]

Amherst was in New York. Not Washington

[gaunt ice]

Well yea

So they just expanded their operations

[buoyant imp]

And they're very ill equipped to fight a whole lot of soldiers and special forces

[gaunt ice]

Lol remember when a Black Ops boi terrified the JTF in nyc?

Spetnaz are way beyond that

[buoyant imp]

Not really

Everyone thinks the spets are hard but they ain't

[gaunt ice]

And they collect watches to find a way to hack ISAC,effectively deleting every files about the virus

[buoyant imp]

Glorified swat team.

[gaunt ice]

Or Russian special forces,anything

[buoyant imp]

vsb

[gaunt ice]

What does that mean?

[buoyant imp]

Vdv*

Basically their airborne unit

[gaunt ice]

True

[buoyant imp]

And FSB

[gaunt ice]

But if they have Tachanka,US would be toasted by now

[cold bramble]

the thing is with the wolves, they could still work for anyone they'd like while still being former marines + has the access to technology that rivals/beats shd

they all have the personality to hunt and take trophies as well..

too simple but meh

[buoyant imp]

I like that theory as well

[gaunt ice]

Ahhh

I guess I could say my theory was quite cheesy

Because the holes in it is like 🧀

[sleek plover]

Oh dear.

Iä Iä Fre'edom fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Fre'edom Americ'a wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[untold blaze]

I don't know if that's Welsh or a stroke

[lilac mason]

Its welsh having a stroke

[gaunt ice]

he's high again

Rivsie,bring me the water bucket!

[tepid ibex]

@sleek plover C'mere, I'll give you a hug

[lilac mason]

@tepid ibex give us a speech how that dude needs to chill please

[buoyant imp]

If he ain't singing light of Aiden I don't wanna see it

[tepid ibex]

Soldiers of the game-spoilers channel this is the commanding officer Lieutenant Colonel Charles Bliss of the Last Man Battalion. I have come here today to speak about our foe "Death to LMB" and his lunacy revolving around the hatred of certain factions being in this channel. There were those among us who were looking for sanctuary in this channel, only to soon find out the enemy of us all had followed us into this channel. So until further notice, the True Sons, LMB and everyother faction he despises have formed a compromise to counteract this issue. The purpose of this temporary alliance intends to resolve the issue at hand with, or without, the provocation of violence.

Bliss out

[lilac mason]

🤣

YES THIS IS PERFECT THANK YOU

[untold blaze]

Fellow Americans, LMB good, JTF bad.
Obama out.

[ashen jungle]

Hey, can we get a fan-fics channel for these weirdos instead?

[untold blaze]

my Obama impression was so bad you had to insult me? Wow

[tepid ibex]

@ashen jungle Hey, he told me to

I don't usually do that lol

[tepid ibex]

But I do approve of this suggestion

[untold blaze]

Still mad rivens insulted me for my Obama impression

[lilac mason]

aye we should have fanfic channel for the in lore shitposting

[untold blaze]

No

No division fanfics

NO

[gaunt ice]

kill them,and feed them to the pits

oh anyway do you think we'll have a Outcast raid next?(assuming there is a new raid)

[lilac mason]

my guess it either outcast or hyena, since thats just about all we got left in vanilla factions

or....god fobid, the trash ninja raid

they have a bunch of loot goblins doing jumping jacks and zooming all over the place

[gaunt ice]

All memes and fun until the Trash Tank comes out

[untold blaze]

Id love to see a cleaner raid

Or rooker

I mean rimer

Rjkerr

Riker

[spiral turtle]

laughs in legitimate fanfic with kelso actually existing on the internet

[cold bramble]

😏 are you sure its a fanfic? msv built this series around a bunch of ARG initially

🙂 even division 2 had some during launch

via alexa

try saying "Alexa, activate the division network" if you have one

its still active

[ashen jungle]

Rule34 doesn't count as a fan-fic.

[untold blaze]

Yeah my favorite flavor of ice cream is vanilla too

[sleek plover]

... srsly? u actually wrote a freaking speech?

[ashen jungle]

You leave my Keener X ISAC masterpiece out of this.

[untold blaze]

Wait till you get fuckin Odessa Sawyer x Eleanor Sawyer

[ashen jungle]

Swap that to Kelso and I am fine with it.

[untold blaze]

Actually I regret saying that, I'm giving people ideas

[cold bramble]

😏 wincest

[untold blaze]

I'm crying

[ashen jungle]

let's not cest

[untold blaze]

Rivens you had a missed opportunity to say ISAC x ANNA

[ashen jungle]

ANNA really isn't a concrete enough personality for me yet, plus I feel that Keener's got some stuff to work through with ISAC.

i mean, totally havent thought all this through.

[untold blaze]

the right side of my brain slowly melted reading that

[ashen jungle]

Speaking of weird Div2 pairings, what is up with Lau being given such a position of power in Black Tusk? Like, you'd think they'd have her under constant supervision for years after she joined.

[cold bramble]

Doesn't the hunters count? they've been watching her rogues

[ashen jungle]

We have no idea if they're just being paid by BT, are run by BT or Bardon just contracted one of them for that one protection job.

[mint citrus]

I think that the BT were hurting in terms of actually capable members, plus Schaeffer was desperate

So he gave Lau this incredibly important job that she in no possible way could screw up

[ashen jungle]

read: didnt require depth perception.

[gaunt ice]

I want you to blow my brain with a grenade launcher.

[gaunt ice]

I mean,if they do we won’t be finding out anytime soon

[ashen jungle]

Or maybe we will, 2 more Rogues Lieutenants before we get to her.

[cold bramble]

god i hope its not a cliffhanger but a clear announcement of whats to come

[ashen jungle]

My read on the Manhunts is that they're both a way to wrap up the story of WONY and setup the next Expansion.

[gaunt ice]

The rogue take these stuff quite personally,so I think Sokolova will drop Faye just like how Parnell was dropped

[ashen jungle]

Oh for sure, Lau is getting left out in the cold.

[gaunt ice]

They can’t do their work properly if emotions or their ego gets in the way(Heads,Wyvern,Gavelson...)

[ashen jungle]

I mean, we don't know Sokolova's motivations yet, so who knows!

[gaunt ice]

Idk ‘bout you but she’s probably gonna take it personal,especially after we killed her glitchy brother

[ashen jungle]

Him A-posing the whole time was pretty funny, ngl.

[gaunt ice]

He’s too strong to be put on the field,with constantly A-Posing his opponent to assert his dominance,he was too valuable to be put on the field

[ashen jungle]

I was getting serious Last Jedi vibes that whole fight.

[gaunt ice]

hits a max stacks nemesis+chainkiller headshot on him
Felix:see you around kid

[pearl pendant]

ISAC x ANNA, the OTP of The Division.

[gaunt ice]

“Wake the fuck up,samurai.We have a genre to burn.”

if the Cleaners burn people who reads or makes fanfic,im totally 100% agree to them

[hearty spindle]

Would you guys rather join The Black Tusk or stay with The Division.

[cosmic sinew]

I would join cleaners

[hearty spindle]

I would join Black Tusk because they look cool.

It'll be cool if they added a DLC were we can be rogue and join hostile factions.

[cold bramble]

i'd join BT if we can't make our watch permanently red

[ashen jungle]

Division, because considering how BT treat their troops as cannon-fodder, I'd rather take my chances with a gold watch.

[cosmic sinew]

Isn't division doing same?

Full first wave was pretty much sent to certain death

[ashen jungle]

No, because 1st-Wave was sent out as a last ditch effort, they had no idea what to do. Things have calmed down now and the BT are still using their troops as bullet sponges.

E.g. Bardon's manhunt where he uses non BTSU troops to "slow us down".

[cosmic sinew]

Division is sending max 4 man groups to certain death

To hunt down hvt-s pretty much

[ashen jungle]

I mean, do we actually know that's how many are going in-canon and not just gameplay?

[cold bramble]

literally -anyone- is cannon fodder compared to agents which are enhanced humans / super soldiers

[ashen jungle]

That is also a point yeah, Agents work better in small teams than large groups.

[cosmic sinew]

Raid yeah, like 8 people

But usually 4man against an army

[ashen jungle]

No I mean like, a lot of games seem to imply in the lore that more than the allowed team-size is going in.

Destiny 2 has an example of that. Savathun's Song has a "fireteam of 9", whereas the actual max allowed is 3 ingame.

Could be that there's like 20 Agents going in and that's how we're clearing these places out so fast. Hitting multiple angles.

[cosmic sinew]

I would like to see that yeah

Like other teams so called are attacking for other sides at the same time

[ashen jungle]

In my head-canon that's whats happening. Kinda like Kelso and the GWH.

[brittle star]

In div 3 we need to get something like choosing faction. Raids means in a specified dates each faction tries to overthrow strong hold of other factions. So we have something large scale like 30v30

Large scale fights like battlefield would also be epic

[ashen jungle]

It's a cool idea but it really doesn't suit Div's setting. At best it could work for a spin-off from the main franchise.

[brittle star]

It would defo workout if SHD is lost and everyone is a bad guy

[ashen jungle]

If SHD go down, then BT are taking over. They have what is basically slightly older versions of our tech and a massive military-like force under their control.

[short spindle]

you know we have DZ already

[cold bramble]

go rouge is the division 1 DZ to find out how risky of an idea is that

[cyan path]

Remember: if you go rogue, you'll literally paint a huge red target on yourself for the best agents of SHD, because somehow Division agents turn into terminators when it comes to rogue agents... sometimes

[brittle star]

[gaunt ice]

Is this real?

[short spindle]

its real

i even have ac oddyssey for my echo

[stuck escarp]

Wait I’m curious what does it say?

[short spindle]

its like alexa but in ISAC voice

https://youtu.be/uRnVnbkMURA

[brittle star]

What if one day it says rogue agent nearby 😨

[short spindle]

what if you are alone that time? and you realized you are the rogue agent

[hearty spindle]

Lol

That means you kill everyone you see.

[stuck escarp]

That’s actually so cool

[bleak kite]

i like how in the first game dr kandel just said NOT TO BURN THE VIRUS BECAUSE WE NEED ANTIBODIES and in the second game we just straight up blow the virus at the dcd

that is just weird

[gaunt ice]

It only applies to the mall mission cuz we needed some fresh samples

[bleak kite]

they were not fresh they were ,,mint condition"

[gaunt ice]

Hey ISAC buy me some coffee

[bleak kite]

and the staff messed up anyways

[gaunt ice]

Wdym they messed up?

I mean,we’re the only ones who recovered it

[bleak kite]

after we brought them the scientist guy told kandel about the temperature he experimented somethin and he triggered her

she said that she told him 100 times to keep them cool

[gaunt ice]

Hey,that’s typical jtf bullshit,chill

[bleak kite]

i am chill

yo the jtf are just stupid

[short spindle]

@gaunt ice "Entering Dark Zone"

[bleak kite]

and the rogues are just destroyed triggered guys

[gaunt ice]

“Hey I just killed a entire mall for this,keep it safe ok?”
“Ok”
10 minutes later:
“What happened?”
“I mistaken it with my coffee and put it in a microwave.Sorry.”

[bleak kite]

lmao

that was fun so it was worth it

one of my favourite missions of the game

[compact jackal]

i didn’t play though the campaign cause lvl 30 skip. so idk what mission y’all are taking about lmao

[gaunt ice]

Imagine one day Amazon ships you a Rolex that glows orange when you wear it

[short spindle]

guys!!! ive been activated!!!!

see you in DZ

[gaunt ice]

Who the fuck does that?even if you’re not into the story you’ll miss like 60% of the content and mechanics

[gaunt ice]

But the twist is that it’s not too advanced,so you have to carry your Alexa

[short spindle]

well he got the abdriged version of story, not too late to make a new character @compact jackal

[compact jackal]

i did lmao

[gaunt ice]

“Alexa activate the Division network.”
“Activating Skynet”

[compact jackal]

@gaunt ice me cause i wanted to play warlords of new york 😐

[short spindle]

@gaunt ice Alexa, scan nearby trashcans for components

[gaunt ice]

Fair enough

[short spindle]

too fast

[bleak kite]

i watched that and i have several questions

is that a joke or it's like a game?

nvm imma install this later seems fun

[short spindle]

i think its an official alexa skills from ubisoft

[cold bramble]

i suggest looking into it if you haven't its interesting

[gaunt ice]

So do I have install anything or just yell it out loud?

[round sinew]

I figured it out, I think.

Lau, Viper, Magnus, and Circe are infiltrating Black Tusk to kill Kestrel.

[trail wind]

Interesting turn of events if so.

Lau did seem like she was taking mental notes about some stuff Kestrel said.

[fair oxide]

Does anyone know what difficulty is required to get the santa hunter mask on lvl 100 summit?

[cold bramble]

👀 we do have people that can change isac and run support for lau without being sus

[round sinew]

Yes.

[chrome forum]

I completed summit on normal and got the mask drops. Adamant and Santa mask

[fair oxide]

Thanks. I just did it on hard and got both, and ridgeways quest. First timer 😜

Now I need to kill 2 hunters

[chrome forum]

The hunters on floor 100 should count toward that.

[fair oxide]

Yeah but my waypoint is now reset to 1 isn't it

[chrome forum]

The challenges reset. But you can use the elevator to take the the closet check point. Maybe 97 if it doesn’t save right at 100.

[fair oxide]

I didn't think it worked that way anymore

[gaunt ice]

But why?

[untold blaze]

id just like to say president ellis has some serious balls

in Bank Headquarters he doesnt even get into the heli, he just hangs on the ladder and flies away like that

[terse star]

His character was modeled after Trump 😆 /s

[gaunt ice]

"you ate too much mcdonalds sir,our chopper is going down"

[ashen jungle]

Okay that's enough RL politics.

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

... a perfect timing for my dramatic entry I suppose

[cosmic niche]

Yep probably correct.

[cosmic niche]

Guillotine at the ready

Has anyone got all of the audio files? I probably way behind on collecting them but they seem is rarely appear if at all

[sleek plover]

funny thing is, I actually joked with a divison fan in twitter that she said I deserve my own faction for hating LMB. I explained my faction would be group of rioters worshipping freedom like a deity, and overall french revolution themed and having guillotine as faction symbol.

[cosmic niche]

We discussed that before in here too. Could be fun. No more out of place than a hunter hanging around to drop a mask

[sleek plover]

did we? oh..

[ashen jungle]

<

well at least all that are out yet.

[sleek plover]

I hope the tables made out of mahogany for some reason

idk why but I hope its an high quality wood

[lilac mason]

Ye ellis is a certified badass, he took down that hyena, fought along with us, and James Bond'd away on that ladder

[bleak kite]

then he just went with black tusk bc the white house doesn't comfort his pony ass anymore

oh and he took the cure with him

[frail gyro]

people like him need to be the center of attention and pampered, or else they will seek it elsewhere lol

[gaunt ice]

he already turned against us before he comes to dc

[cold bramble]

Mr. Chickenhawk probably was the one who helped BT stage the previous president's suicide (alexa tapes for reference)

[frail gyro]

I mean we all knew he was a pos to begin with so it really surprises no one lol

[bleak kite]

yo i thought your profile picture was a hat with deadass teeth

[frail gyro]

lol naw, that was my Grandpa's hat.

and those are plum flowers on the brim, representing the major/lt. colonel/colonels under his command.

[bleak kite]

noice

[gaunt ice]

who's Shay Montomery?

[round sinew]

Shay Montgomery is a random civvie

You get her audio logs

She's nbd

[untold blaze]

why are there trash vikings in new york and dc

are they planning a full scale invasion

[cold bramble]

👀 they like to be called sewer people and new york has sewers 🙂

[untold blaze]

Not the chain gamg

The trash vikings seen attacking people

With trash can lids, axes and bows

[cold bramble]

those trash vikings -spawn- out of the sewers

you can literally catch them coming out of manholes

[untold blaze]

Apparently they're called ambushers

[lilac mason]

Theyre gonna be the subject of the next raid and we have to go spelunking ofc

[untold blaze]

trash boss

what if its a raccoon?

[gaunt ice]

The trash tank is the one with a chainsaw

[queen fractal]

any info why no replenishment is in DZ west til 2,5 hours ?

[sleek plover]

Hark! 'Tis apparent that I hath harboured great aversion towards the villainous blackguards of Last Man Battalion!

[mint citrus]

According to the death cards, the Underground tank was supposed to have a flail instead of a chainsaw

[untold blaze]

The trash guys don't have a tank, you're thinking about the wrong people

It's the guys with the Christmas hats and there's only 2 variants

The one with the bow and the one with an axe and a 'shield' which is literally just a trash can lid

Youre thinking of the unchained or the 4 other names they have

And another difference is the trash vikings actually say things, the unchained dont

[short spindle]

the one in nyc are raiders

dc has underground and ambushers

[untold blaze]

Raiders are the guys in ski masks

Ambushers are in NYC too

Which is why I was asking will they invade the East coast

[short spindle]

tbh due the word "ambusher" is ambiguous maybe commonly used word, we arent sure they are related

but maybe youre right, theyre invading or already spread around the states

[untold blaze]

The trash vikings have had enough

[short spindle]

idk how they coordinate and seems organized than civilian militias lol

[round sinew]

I've seen the ambushers working alongside Outcasts a lot. Not sure if that's supposed to happen.

[tepid ibex]

Man I had my headphones off yesterday and a big ass Underground dude came up behind me and wacked me with the chainsaw. Scared tf outta me.

I've noticed they wear ballistic masks as well like Hunters do, just the mask doesn't cover their forehead.

I think the Underground people are people who failed the Hunter tryouts and are shunned by the organization so they make them stay Underground and only come out at night

[lilac mason]

underground chungus never fails to make everyone shit bricks

[tepid ibex]

I wish there was a Sandbox mode so we could spawn NPC's and make them fight one another. Tryna see a Underground tank vs an Outcast tank

[lilac mason]

yeah true

[frail gyro]

saw a chainsaw dude fight a outcast (I think) gunner, it was pretty fun

[lilac mason]

ive had a full squad of underground guys including the chainsaw man go up against a cp4 one time

it did not go well

[tepid ibex]

Who won 👀

@lilac mason Cp4 got wrecked right?

[lilac mason]

i wish it was so, but alas, the boys got curbstomped by the cp guards

[tepid ibex]

This might be an unpopular opinion but I think the True Sons tank looks more armoured up than the Black Tusk tank. The BT tank looks like he's just wearing abunch of plastic meanwhile the TS tank looks Kevlar'd the fuck up (if that even is Kevlar)

[frail gyro]

ah my teammate shot them up before they could finish the fight, but the chainsaw dude was winning

[gaunt ice]

I mean,atleast kevlar’s covering their ass

[untold blaze]

I think the underground people are just making do with what they find

Imo the ballistic mask is just some of the stuff they found scavenging

[untold blaze]

That's to be expected when the BT tank is holding a fucking minigun that's meant to be mounted on a plane and the TS tank only has a grenade launched and a shotgun

[round sinew]

True Sons tanks also have flamethrowers

[untold blaze]

wait what

[round sinew]

And I'd rather deal with the minigun. At least it isn't AoE

[untold blaze]

wait the ones you can find out in the open world?

[tepid ibex]

I know but I'm just saying with the armor the TS Tank wears, it looks like it'd take more bullets to break pieces off rather than the BT one

[untold blaze]

That's to be expected when they're holding a minigun

Lol

[lilac mason]

Well to be fair someone went and found the real world counterpart of BT armours, theyre almost basically webbing to hold up a plate so we can assume that apart from the durability of the armor plates themselves, they are basically wearing light stuff

[tepid ibex]

It's to be expected that the BT Tank wears more penetrable armor because he has a minigun? I'd understand if it's to be expected his armor is lighter because he has a minigun. I'm not saying the armor looks lighter, although it probably is, my point is that it looks weaker.

[untold blaze]

I was kidding

Idk this sounds weird but maybe because their armor is black and the TS one is brownish?

Oh wait you said not the looks

Nevermind then I never noticed that

[cold bramble]

falls under gameplay mechanics making it weaker, the swat armor they and hunters wear are the "top of the line" of bullet proof

[untold blaze]

Why did they make hunters harder to kill in this game unlike div 1

I'm not really complaining but it just seems weird

[cold bramble]

healing mechanics mostly, because they haven't really changed much aside from improved AI for some parts

We aren't that invincible

like in 1

[tepid ibex]

I miss Div 1 UG Hunters. They were so easy and stupid 😞

[untold blaze]

tbh i like that theyre harder

but at times i just have to resort to glitches

like the hunter in the season 3 manhunt mission

on heroic

[sleek plover]

Few of them might be your former snowman lackeys santa.

[tepid ibex]

@sleek plover Oh I'd love that, but I think the majority of my soldiers are Rushers and the Support Station archetypes

[sleek plover]

BT have tech and LMB have experience, there is no way they would just use ex lmb as cannon fodder, some of them would. rise above in BT ranks.

... which I want that kind of person and his exclusive ex lmb unit as a target in game, it would be so satisfying to see the guy burn.

tbh it BT also absorbs true sons, I would be quite happy in fact, that means all the guys I hate are now BT.

honestly true sons had numbers, LMB had experience and BTSU had tech. Combination of three would mean disaster

[tepid ibex]

I don't even see why True Sons are a thing anymore. Their Leader is dead and Chain of Command is in shambles, just like what happened to the LMB. By now they would have all went their separate ways, joining other factions.

[tepid ibex]

Oh wow something in common we have, we both want to see the LMB again in some way or another

[sleek plover]

That, i admit, is true

[untold blaze]

do we see the white tusk anywhere apart from legendary missions? because in div 1 the LMB in legendary missions would also be in normal missions like russian consulate and when playing survival there was a landmark in the dz 2, something to do with blockade

[cold bramble]

no

[ashen jungle]

White Tusk are Legendary only, think of LMB = Black Tusk, and White Tusk being the more Agent-ready version of BT.

[sleek plover]

hey rivens

why are you surrendering to a rainbow?

[tepid ibex]

@untold blaze Nope, exclusively Legendary for Div 2. The LMB you're thinking of that you see on Challenging difficulty missions in TD1 are Tier 2 Riflemen, Medics, Engineers, etc. All those archetypes have a Tier 3 version as well and those Tier 3 archetypes are exclusively Legendary.

[untold blaze]

they look really similar so i thought they were the same

[sleek plover]

@tepid ibex u know what? considering all of you guys have those white frosty the snowman looking uniforms, that makes you guys great materials for wheres waldo

... damn i hate u guys

[cold bramble]

you know it would be great if we had more lore on them but nooooo it had to be a book outside of the game

[sleek plover]

i have the book, and most of the contents are like 88% copied into division wiki

[untold blaze]

because the assault archetypes i see from the lmb on challenging have the gas masks, nvd i think it is and either a white or black helmet

[cold bramble]

tbh they are lmb in all but name

[lilac mason]

@sleek plover LO the heathen comes, spewing his hatred for the noble blackguard battalion!

[sleek plover]

... lol

[sleek plover]

like i said, with their matching color uniforms they are a great wheres waldo. material

You have to find a LMB squad leader/btsu charger among the assaults

[hasty laurel]

BT using ex LMB as canon fodder wot?

Aren’t they literally the elite enemy you face when you do BTSU missions on legendary

[cold bramble]

i'm sorry, i forgot he just hates lmb

he isnt serious or even cares about lore regarding them

[ashen jungle]

w/ means "with".

[tepid ibex]

I'll just send you images of the differences between the Tier 2 and 3 Riflemen.

[mint citrus]

The LMB guys are the ones with the nanomachine spewing lunchboxes and the shotgun rusher dudes

I remember the pain of dealing with those guys from the first game

[lethal cedar]

Note - Old LMB shotgun rushers are completely silent

[ashen jungle]

When "they" say that LMB joined Black Tusk, they don't literally mean that they replaced BT units exclusively.

[lethal cedar]

yeah, the old old, rusher is now drone operator

the ones that always blow themselves to pieces

[ivory trail]

LMB?

[ashen jungle]

Last Man Battalion, dead faction from Div1.

[ivory trail]

mmm

[lilac mason]

Death screen quote from BT shotgun rushers got Rhodes commenting they were ex-lmb

Never got one from lunchbox guys tho so iunno

[hearty spindle]

What really happened to the LMB?

Sorry, I forgotten the first game after I got the second one.

[cold bramble]

dissolved because of the leadership being gone

they don't have big money holding them together like BT

[spare arrow]

LMB dissolved sometime after the end of div1, and BTSU absorbed the remaining forces.

[steel radish]

I think that’s why BT has rushers and support stations as well

[untold blaze]

the support stations are different though?

theyre hives in a box

[gaunt ice]

i mean,the Quartermaster himself said that no one is insecure enough to put your life to some prototype lunchbox

so i guess when they join the Tusk,they have to change it a bit so its risk-free

[cold bramble]

tbh the green goo feels more safer then a shot that heals for small amounts

[gaunt ice]

A random stick flies out of a ball,sticking into your ass,and fills out all of the bullet holes in yourr body?

No thank you,I would rather take my chance against the flamethrower

[gaunt ice]

in Parnell's hunt,he said that he has evidence suggesting the Division is corrupted from the inside

this could be a expansive plot point

[cold bramble]

could be, we've only barely touched upon the "corruption" theme they've had way back in the initial announcement trailer of 2

[gaunt ice]

i mean,betrayal of agents due to bad recruitment and incompretent teammates is too much of a sketch to "corruption"

[round sinew]

Is it?

They've been setting the pieces up pretty well for the whole "SHD was set up to fail" or "SHD was meant to be a traitor force"

[gaunt ice]

But why would they cause themselves more trouble by setting up a opposing force,when they can just wait for the country to fail,then use the Tusk to take over?

Why do they spend money on stuff like ISAC,techs,special weapons,even Rolex watches for some maniac they don’t know,while they can just use it to fund the Tusk

[cold bramble]

come to think of it, they've lost pretty easily considering their contracts were pretty much at the start of gp, they could've easily wiped the floor with us if they were actually watching from the start

👀

[gaunt ice]

I don’t get what you’re trying to say

[cold bramble]

Why did they lose when they were -pretty much- watching from the start

beyond saying Why do they suck, i can't simplify it more

[gaunt ice]

I do like to think of it as a failed experiment,just like Operation Dark Winter

I think Parnell knows that the Tusk are behind this,and saying that they have infiltrated the system to sabotage them

[cold bramble]

👀

[gaunt ice]

And they are probably responsible for his father’s death

[tepid ibex]

Saw some guys comment on Insta about there should be small squads of LMB that spawn in Manhattan as rarely as Ambushers or the guys with ski masks. It'd be more realistic tbh. The LMB as a whole wouldn't have all joined different factions. There would probably still be atleast a handful of LMB whom idolized Bliss and are still repping the uniform

[cold bramble]

under BT, i do believe they are repping, otherwise why give them a different uniform? there would be some sort of deal within their ranks

[tepid ibex]

@cold bramble They have white uniforms in Legendary to show that's the best of the best in Black Tusk. Just as Massive did in TD1 for LMB in Legendary, they gave the uniforms a unique look. I don't think all of White Tusk (which I don't know why it's called that because they're still Black Tusk but in white uniforms) are LMB.

[cold bramble]

ah

[round sinew]

SHD was likely being set up anyhow, might as well try to pull strings to put your people in it and make it a mess when the time comes.

White Tusk aren't technically canon, just a reminder. It's just a player term.

[round sinew]

Something something "good guy beats bad guy" something something "player character has plot armor"

[cold bramble]

you could've atleast said "the power of friendship helped us defeat them!!" smh

[gaunt ice]

its not yugioh lol

[cold bramble]

smh

[brittle star]

Who is ninjabike messenger?

[ashen jungle]

The ninja set of gear is named after a messaging/courier company, their products include a bag and kneepads so far.

[brittle star]

The courier people ride ninja bike?

[ashen jungle]

I assume it's a kinda logo they use. "we're so good at moving around the city we're ninjas" kinda thing.

[sleek plover]

we need a Rivens set

what would its efdect s be?

[brittle star]

I searched for ninja bike and got this :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja

[gaunt ice]

its literally a motobike that is named Ninja

[ashen jungle]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/NinjaBike_Messenger_Bag

in case you wanted a more....accurate source.

[brittle star]

NinjaBike Messengers deliver your important packages anywhere in Manhattan securely, speedily and confidentially. Our messengers can't open our bags without client approval. Literally can't. These things are indestructible.
XD

[ashen jungle]

We can safely assume that the Kneepads are another part of their outfit.

[untold blaze]

assuming it's complete it'll probably be dps

Or it won't specialise in anything, it'll just be there to look cool on you until you get gunned down

[ashen jungle]

It's 2 Exotic pieces, one from Div1, one from Div2. I don't think they're going to add a full outfit.

[untold blaze]

:(

No division drip

[gaunt ice]

whats a drip?

[untold blaze]

swag

[tacit sundial]

Bruh exotic lmg is pretty pog

It was making solo heroic easy

[ashen jungle]

Pesti with the right build is great for sure.

[tacit sundial]

i have an armor build, so heroics are pretty easy, and lmg just makes it easier

i'm only gear level 501, and i have 400k armor

[near surge]

add elterivle

[ashen jungle]

Wrong chat?

[tacit sundial]

hm?

[gaunt ice]

i think dc cannonically has less than a hundred agents,as of right now

[ashen jungle]

"agents from all over the country were called in due to the emergency protocol being active"

[gaunt ice]

idk why,just get the vibe

[gaunt ice]

and not like all of them came

[cold bramble]

i doubt we have that many across the states and what rivens said

[ashen jungle]

Quote from Lau about the start of Div2.

[gaunt ice]

also the same person who stayed behind when the call was given out

and you have to count casualties

[ashen jungle]

At the start of the game? She meets you at the Pentagon Mission.

[gaunt ice]

that was Sanders

i was saying how Lau stayed at NYC because of other things

as an example of how not every agents answer to the call

[ashen jungle]

Lau stayed in NYC because she was the commander of the 2nd Wave. She was charged with coordinating SHD operations, possibly nation wide.

Div2's handling of div1's lore is sometimes spotty, they seem to forget certain things.

[gaunt ice]

and,i do think there's like,10-15% of actual agents who were recruited stayed in mission

we have:rogues,disavowed,abandoned,deceased

i.e:First Wave

[cold bramble]

prolly the reason why she wasn't tagged off-mission because ignoring agent wide calls sounds pretty rogue

[gaunt ice]

second wave of NYC only

[ashen jungle]

Not every agent who ignored the call was marked as Rogue, I'm sure the ones that were doing important stuff just gave the reason and then moved on.

[gaunt ice]

im not saying every agent who doesnt answer the call is a rogue

im saying there are agents who,in short,quit

[ashen jungle]

The Division was centered exclusively around NYC in the beginning tho, because that's where the outbreak happened.

Lau being named the 2nd Wave Commander after the OG one died in the chopper crash at the start of Div1 was a big deal. She was basically in charge of all SHD Agents everywhere.

[gaunt ice]

i mean,dc doesnt seem to answer to Lau,even before the president crisis thingy

[ashen jungle]

What makes you say that?

[gaunt ice]

if they have at least got in contact with her,they would have at least prepare something

and dont blame the shd node being sabotaged,they failed even before the node thing

[ashen jungle]

It's entirely possible they did. The SHD agents in DC were in enough trouble on their own.

[gaunt ice]

and not lose so much people

[gaunt ice]

what trouble?

[ashen jungle]

Don't forget that as far as we know, there only started out being SHD Agents in DC and NYC, then they moved abroad.
Nation's Capitol and the city where the outbreak started, makes sense.

[gaunt ice]

how many DC-based agents are there left?

counting the dead,around 5-7

[ashen jungle]

We have no way of knowing. Technically we aren't DC based.

[gaunt ice]

yeah

but dc was suppose to have atleast 500+ agents,since its the goddamm Capitol city

[ashen jungle]

Where did you get that number?

[gaunt ice]

im making speculations

i dont think its that hard to form a number

and i think its common sense

[ashen jungle]

I don't really like adding wild guesses to lore discussions.

[gaunt ice]

i think its common sense

and even without the exact numbers,"some of the last agents in DC",quoted Manny

[ashen jungle]

Tell me, where did this number come from? Common sense is a bit vague.

[gaunt ice]

like i said,speculations.but like what i just said,the DC-based agents are now less than 10,at least the ones we encountered ingame

and at the beginning,Manny told us that".....some of the last agents in dc"

[ashen jungle]

Are you counting the agents that are only mentioned once? Like the ones in the SHD bunker that died?

[gaunt ice]

no,im counting the living

if i add those in the bunker,should be >10 but still

[ashen jungle]

Why < 10?

[gaunt ice]

youre asking about the ones that's still standing?

[ashen jungle]

I'm asking where you're getting any of these numbers from?

[gaunt ice]

oh my god just count the non-player agents

im making speculations Rivs

if i remember correctly,theres atleast 10 agent corpses in the bunker

Maya is one more,so DC based before the bunker >10

[ashen jungle]

#division-universe message

[gaunt ice]

just go to the bunker again and count the corpses,will you?

and then all those secret shd tech caches with a dead agent next to it

[ashen jungle]

You're getting very touchy.

[gaunt ice]

well to be fair,yes

but just count it,its more than 10

or the next dlc's on me

[stuck escarp]

Can I join in on that bet too

[tepid ibex]

Wonder when or if that SHD 3rd Wave would ever get activated 🤔. Ever since we killed that one Rogue Agent Bounty girl who mentioned she was part of the 3rd Wave but never got activated got me thinking.

[cold bramble]

something like keener's attack on nyc shd headquaters but on a larger scale would need to happen

pretty much an order 66 attack would need to happen, the 2nd wave is surviving well (even with black tusk taking us to the brink)

[tepid ibex]

Who would be the one to even activate them? It's not like the President is calling the shots now

[lilac mason]

@tepid ibex i think she was supposed to be 2nd wave but got stolen before the activation

[tepid ibex]

@lilac mason https://youtu.be/8xSc4UvIVb4
Skip to 0:48 and Viper says "I was never activated, guess they're still saving some of us for the real end-times." If she was never activated this makes me think she's 3rd wave.

[trail wind]

She was activated though. She was 1st wave.

Probably didnt care at the get-go.

[tepid ibex]

@trail wind How do you know she was first wave? Is she lying through her teeth?

[tacit sundial]

dang

[ashen jungle]

I'm curious, did we ever find out about how Amherst got all that money?

[gaunt ice]

Nope,apparently he’s just rich

[ashen jungle]

They went through so much meticulous detail to give us bits of his backstory in the NSA Bunker Classified Mission, and they couldn't have thrown in a line about how they think he murdered his rich wife for her inheritance?

[gaunt ice]

I mean,if the NSA knew it he should’ve been behind bars already and this whole crisis would never happen

But nope,”mentally unstable man” is totally safe

[ashen jungle]

Actually I'd recommend doing the mission, basically it was caught up in "low priority" red tape.

Effectively, if they'd changed him to even a medium threat, then Green Poison likely wouldn't have happened.

[gaunt ice]

If only I get enough lucky money this Lunar New Year

[ashen jungle]

I'd spray it down first, you never know.

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

thats deathtoLMBese for "hi guys"

[noble tree]

Iron man died

[spare arrow]

This is a spoiler channel for The Division, not for the marvel movies.

[gaunt ice]

yeah youre 2 years late

[noble tree]

No shit

[sleek plover]

Also Keener died

and darth vaders actually lukes father

And charles bliss became a zombie after he died in div 1.
a mutant zombie, with tentacles.
we call him octo bliss.

he's still bald btw because he is now also an octopus zombie.
He fire lasers from his head which cause blind+burn+shockes status effects to ur agent and confuses the player.

Killing him gives you another skill, the takoyaki turret.
which shoots well, edible takoyaki which you can heal yourself by eating it.
It also plays a hearty "itadakimsu" voice accompanied with a kabuki yooo when activated.

and yeah faye lau is the boss of the current manhunt

Killing her will give you a unicorn gear dye which creates sparkles wherever u run and rainbows whenever u jump over a cover

[ashen jungle]

You done?

[sleek plover]

yeah i had loads of fun

thx for not stopping me

[untold blaze]

next manhunt tesla

i mean kelso

[waxen arrow]

Kelso: I'm not going rogue!

Conspiracy theorists: hehe, reddit go brrr

[cold bramble]

no one:
div1 guys who finded out that fraye goes rouge: 😭😭😭😭😭😭 (no offense)

[waxen arrow]

I played Div 1 i was sad too

[cold bramble]

i never played div1

[sleek plover]

.

[gaunt ice]

ngl CEO of Tesla sounds like a good boss

[untold blaze]

yeah no that wouldnt be fare

if he can send a rocket into space with a car strapped on just for shits and gigs then he can send a rocket right at us

[waxen arrow]

Elon leader of black tusk???

[gaunt ice]

Elon Tusk

[untold blaze]

HOLY SHIT EAGLE BEAR IS RIGHT

[gaunt ice]

Massive who's gonna do that because they've ran out of lore ideas:hehe boi

[gaunt ice]

Hey new topic:who are the Hunters actually?

Since they just pops up at NYC,then booked a Uber to DC and the Summit

Soooo what are they?

[ashen jungle]

I think the running theory is that they're private contractors that Bardon hired to protect him on CI.

[gaunt ice]

But before D2?

[cold bramble]

People looking for antivirals in nyc

[gaunt ice]

Alphard coming in with fax

[gaunt ice]

And they’re all that well-armed and just so happens to have military experiences AND a maniac?

[ashen jungle]

We literally have no idea.

they've been kept deliberately vague since Div1's appearance.

[cold bramble]

All the story we had b4 d2 is that they wanted the antivirals in NYC

[gaunt ice]

Why aren’t they considered to be mentally destroyed rogues?

[ashen jungle]

Where was that from?

[cold bramble]

Survival

[ashen jungle]

Okay so we know they want a cure, but that's very vague too.

[gaunt ice]

I mean,if you don’t have the antivirals they still seem to attack you?

[ashen jungle]

My main interaction with them in Div1 was Underground.

much scarier IMO. Just appearing and killing you in one hit in tight quarters.

[gaunt ice]

say if i rob a watch from an agent who's still on active duty and not dead,does the watch change its status or just remain the same?

[cold bramble]

Tbh the antivirals just fell in line with how they interacted with us so I doubt it holds weight beyond a fan theory

[gaunt ice]

cuz i just thought of something scary

[ashen jungle]

I assume the Watch breaks, as most agents will die before they give it up.

hence "Timepiece" and Memento flickering lights instead.

[gaunt ice]

if it doesnt change,a Hunter can just change clothes,and walzz right in the BoO

[ashen jungle]

What good would that do even if it worked?

[gaunt ice]

not all watches on the memento flickers?

[gaunt ice]

idk,infiltration and wiping out every agent for dinner?

[ashen jungle]

the BoO is full of armed guards, it's not like the Campus where they just have no ppl inside with ak's.

[gaunt ice]

lol as if the jtf can do shit

[ashen jungle]

fairly sure all the watches do flicker, same as Timepiece.

[gaunt ice]

they cant even wear bulletproof vest?

[gaunt ice]

wait Timepiece?whats that?

let me guess,D1's exotics?

[ashen jungle]

It's a friend referral backpack trophy, its a bunch of SHD watches chained together.

its the best one, clearly.

[sleek plover]

Have you heard about the langley leaks?

[ashen jungle]

They need to fix their plumbing.

[sleek plover]

i mean apparently they datamined a new set of collectible comms

[ashen jungle]

Unless it is confirmed by a dev/ubisoft in an official announcement, then I would pretend that it doesn't exist.

[sleek plover]

so yeah, i gurss its better not to talk about it

[ashen jungle]

remember the fallout 2299 thing? ugh

[gaunt ice]

say the agent him/herself gives their watch to someone else,will the status change?

[cold bramble]

for all intensive purposes it pretty much doesn't exist, it could be cut content for all we know

[ashen jungle]

your grammar, it hurts

[gaunt ice]

me?

[ashen jungle]

"for all intents and purposes", it's not in the hospital lol.

[cold bramble]

the live action trailers of d2 indicate that it makes them an agent

[gaunt ice]

wait there is?

[cold bramble]

i'll look for the trailer

i remember seeing it

[ashen jungle]

Just sayin', live-action trailers are super unrepresentative of the final product.

[gaunt ice]

say Langley comms are a thing,what info can it give us?

[ashen jungle]

the simple info that the CIA are involved.

Langley is the HQ of the CIA.

[cold bramble]

they hold alot of lore ends up being corroborated in game, like agent origins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opOPWYBTp9k

[gaunt ice]

maybe CIA knew about the GI but ignored it

[ashen jungle]

I'm going off by basically every other game that has live-action trailers.

[gaunt ice]

or they were directly responsible for Black Tusk

[ashen jungle]

nope, but the NSA knew about Amherst.

we know how Black Tusk were formed though, 100% we know.

[gaunt ice]

agent origins are cool

but i cant wallbang like the girl in the movie

[ashen jungle]

After Natalia Sokolova's father (who founded/continued Sokolov Concern) died, she formed Black Tusk.

[gaunt ice]

yes

but the idea here is that CIA hired her to do the dirty work

[ashen jungle]

More likely the CIA were involved in SHD

[gaunt ice]

true

[ashen jungle]

a "last line of defence" seems very CIA to me.

[gaunt ice]

but maybe in a bad way(like ignoring people with mental problems?)

[sleek plover]

well this is kinda out of topic, but definitely not trying to defend them or anything, the world of the division book says some. of the LMB were former CIA paramilitary

so they have lots of high class training

[ashen jungle]

PMC's are often former intelligence and military.

I'm sure plenty of Black Tusk were too.

[sleek plover]

yeah

I hope they just absorb whats left of true sons as well

so I can hate all three factions at a single time

[gaunt ice]

the entirety of LMB are in NYC?cuz you dont put 100% of your troops in a city for just originally an evacuation?

[ashen jungle]

LMB were given a large contract, they would've invested a big portion of their forces in it, as well as their leader/CEO being there.

[gaunt ice]

but Bliss is just a colonel?and not the CEO?

but for my short brain,ill just say they're a branch of Tusk

[ashen jungle]

"Colonel" is likely just his rank when he was in the actual Military.
Actually no, but it's a good thought. They're just another PMC.

IIRC in-canon they're now part of every other faction in NYC same as Rioters who didn't stay solo and separate.

[gaunt ice]

we did see a bit of LMB in the WoNY anime trailer

damm if only my flashbang has those fancy SHD logos printed on it,ill definitely main Sharpshooter

but Rikers>LMB sounds unlikely to me

a bunch of criminals vs ex-CIA,Marines,KGB,hell,any of the special units and agencies on the world

i do like to think they're just jtf's who found a uniform in a closet and thought it was cool to wear it

[ashen jungle]

During WONY the Rikers do seem to describe the LMB as "those a**holes", so I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly joined BT.

[tepid ibex]

I had a discussion with someone about the those guys when that trailer came out. I just came up with the conclusion they they're LMB who just went to JTF after Bliss died. Perhaps after Bliss died they joined JTF and went back to guarding Wallstreet. In an audio log between Dragov and Duchess you can hear Duchess saying she cleared the LMB from the Stock Exchange building. So I'm thinking they were ex-LMB-gone-JTF.

[tepid ibex]

Lieutenant Colonel. Lt Col's are usually the ones commanding a Battalion irl. I believe somewhere in TD1 it says in those loading screen Hints that Bliss was the one who formed the LMB.

[round sinew]

He founded it yeah.

Lore also implies LMB existed outside of NYC, and when Bliss went off the rails, the LMB outside NYC said they had no knowledge of it. It was further implied this innocence was met with skepticism.

[tepid ibex]

Oh? What lore implies this? I honestly thought that was the entirety of the LMB.

[round sinew]

There's been stuff hinted at throughout. But it's Division deep lore.

And you know how deep lore is

[tepid ibex]

I have all day

[round sinew]

Not what I meant tho

[tepid ibex]

Well what stuff has been hinted to it though

[round sinew]

Just what I said

Normal deep lore

[tepid ibex]

Well I'm just not remembering or have never heard of this lore referring to LMB existing outside of NYC. If Bliss was their Commander then I just don't know why they wouldn't have all went to Manhattan with him.

[round sinew]

Does the CEO of G4S take all 200,000 employees around with him?

Security companies and PMCs have regional offices, administrative personnel, support personnel, entire corporate divisions that aren't in Operations.

• Source: I used to do that shit

At that point, how "real" that deep lore is, is up to how big LMB was.

Was it 100 employees? 1,000? 50,000?

[tepid ibex]

Well if a Battalion is made up of 600-1000 people then I guess it all depends on how many the SHD killed thats canon.

[round sinew]

That's for a military though

LMB is a company

[untold blaze]

Hey how'd the cleaners get into dc

And whyd they only take Roosevelt island

[tepid ibex]

@round sinew Well "Battalion" is in their name so am I suppose to be asking how many people are in a PMC Battalion then?

[tepid ibex]

I don't really know if it's canon for Cleaners to have gone into DC. Maybe it was just for the Manhunt

[gaunt ice]

Neptune shipped them to DC,and stopped at Roosevelt

probably because its empty and nobody's there to guard it

[round sinew]

It's not really a term corporations use.

But for an example, a division in a business and a division in the military are different things.

[sleek plover]

damn I love puppies

[obsidian relic]

with all the wony lore is there anything about who the hunters are yet?

[ashen jungle]

All we really know is that they know what the Antivirals are, they seem to be able to get hired, and they like the Summit's roof for some reason.

[round sinew]

You ever feel like we just sit here all day, Rivens, and when someone new stops in to ask a question we've heard a thousand times, we sigh, die a little inside, and then answer?

I feel like that.

[ashen jungle]

No, I enjoy helping out people.

[gaunt ice]

Rommy,how ‘bout you suggest a new topic?

[round sinew]

I can't

We've exhausted every topic until the next game/season/DLC

[mint jackal]

What's the goal of rogue agents and who are hunters?

[ashen jungle]

Rogues seem to mostly work for BT now, since Keener is shown to not really care about them himself.

[round sinew]

Hunters are people

[ashen jungle]

You sound like the PETA for Hunters.

[trail wind]

Hunters remind me of ghost recon tbh. There a group that left military of ghost recon and are just AWOL military spec op force.

But then again no lore or connection between the two so no one knows who they are, which I'm okay with. Nice mystery for folks to talk about from time to time.

[gaunt ice]

"Hunters are ferocious species that are on the brink of extinction due to their aggressive behaviours towards Agents.With the help of our community,we can sustain the numbers and prevent them from extinct."

[ashen jungle]

"For just $1 a day, you can sponsor a Hunter"

[gaunt ice]

"The Black Tusk Animal Protection fund will guarantee a future for these poor and miserable cretures."

[ashen jungle]

demonic screeching
"Imagine, never hearing that wonderful call again".

[gaunt ice]

"The wonders of nature,formed by these beautiful animals!"

shows dead agent hanging on a tree

[ashen jungle]

"their beautiful plumage"
broken SHD watches hanging on their back.

[gentle eagle]

"watch how they play together and interact with each other"
2 hunters murdering a group of SHD agent and tomahawking their necks

[short spindle]

lol this is gold

[sleek plover]

BTSU wants fascism ruled by their leaders, Aaron keener wants might makes right.
One wants to make a world of 1984 and another mad max

[untold blaze]

I wish you could have a melee weapon like the hunters have at the cost of your secondary or firearm

I'm no expert but I think it would be better for pvp so you don't get too close

[ashen jungle]

Would likely require a new engine, so maybe div3?

[untold blaze]

Why a new engine

Wouldn't it be like using a shield though but just more damage?

[ashen jungle]

Melee systems are incredibly complicated to not suck or just clip through everything. It'd be a big time and effort investment from the devs to do it.

[untold blaze]

what

[ashen jungle]

#division-universe message

[ancient yoke]

pistol whooping is good enough

[tepid ibex]

Lady Death is a decent melee weapon

[gaunt ice]

screw LD,i just want a brass knuckles or a deifb unit as melee

[sleek plover]

Yes definitely, enjoyed bludgeoning those ex-LMB btsu shotgunner with it.
Its my goddess' wrath they deserve for insulting freedom, and they shall receive it from a sacred instrument wearing her visage.

[tepid ibex]

Oh boy 😳

[sleek plover]

Excuse me, I must go back to my prayers.
Proceeds worshipping freedom in an altar

[ashen jungle]

Not trying to infer anything, but you may want to tone down the RP for a bit, at least until the whole real life equivalent blows over.

[mint jackal]

So...who hurt the hunters that they are now just popping out of smoke to kill u

Can't u just hug them or something

[gaunt ice]

idk,what is your first reaction when a guy in a iron mask comes out of thin air and tries to kill you without any context?

[mint jackal]

Play hide and seek maybe

[honest socket]

i would offer him money quz i dont wanna die

[gaunt ice]

laughs in pulse

[gaunt ice]

idk,i think he's rich enough to have all that gear and besides,they probably made a fortune just by selling those fancy 3d Rolex watches with the DARPA logo behind it

[mint jackal]

True

Wait so DARPA produces all the gear like watches and idk gadgets maybe

[cold bramble]

pretty sure people able to counter "secret government agents" are filthy rich, even just in support funds

[honest socket]

welp my only choice now is to kill him

and take his loot

[gaunt ice]

with what?kitchen knifes,that 2kg laptop or with Twisted Tea?

[honest socket]

no

a better weapon

words

[gaunt ice]

what will you say?"ill tell mom?

[mint jackal]

Yeah just talk with him and convince him to not kill u

[honest socket]

oooh my mom will come and kick his ass

mom exotic weapon damage : unknown

[gaunt ice]

silence mortal

nothing can surpass the power of Twisted Tea

nothing!

[honest socket]

1 thing

and its joe

[gaunt ice]

....mama

[honest socket]

NOOOOOOOO

its forbidden to say his name or read it i just got joe baited again

[cold bramble]

gottem

[honest socket]

oh no joe is in my house

*Joe Mama turned rogue *

[spare arrow]

The "joe" joke is getting old fast.

[ashen jungle]

It's joe-petitive.

[cold bramble]

joe mama

[untold blaze]

Never thought I'd see someone with a hate for the lmb that lasts for too long and doesn't seem like a joke

[cold bramble]

the fact he needs to tell us every day tells you everything you need to know about him

[ashen jungle]

Tone down the hate a little, alright?

There's no need to attack other players.

[cold bramble]

if you think that was hate after i specifically went out of my way to use words not to offend...

[cold bramble]

speaking of him, i find it absolutely astonishing that he doesn't fall under rule 2 and rule 10, even if its not all in one day, he is still spamming, and wishing death even if its against -fake- people is pure negativity

[untold blaze]

woah

are we amassing a hater base now?

[cold bramble]

so no discussion, got it

[gaunt ice]

the LMB just became the Last Bruh Battalion after div1

[untold blaze]

i just had an epiphany

water is just a loaf of wet

Also why is the agent garzia outfit logo the hunter symbol over the division symbol

Or if its not meant to be a hunter symbol why is it a wolf over a phoenix

[spare arrow]

The "overall" symbol of the division is a phoenix, but i can see certain agent groups/people taking different symbols for whatever reason

[untold blaze]

Yeah but

The wolf is associated with hunters

Lore lesbian what is your wisdom

[ashen jungle]

Rivens the helpful AI says: you're reading too much into it.

[untold blaze]

that's just mean

☹️

[ashen jungle]

okay for reals though. I'm sure I've heard something about certain Agents customising their gear and stuff. This could be a simple case of their arm-patch being different.

[untold blaze]

oh alright

[spare arrow]

In universe i think every agent either has the SHD logo or a personalized version as their armpatch

[ashen jungle]

Next time I run Liberty Island, I'mma draw something on Keeners.

[cold bramble]

i don't believe the agency logo matters at all, the orange circle on the isac hud is more of a identifier then the pheonix

[untold blaze]

draw a dick on his forehead after he's dead

[ashen jungle]

In my head-canon Keener tried faking being dead but my Agent carries a sawn-off at all times for a reason.

[sleek plover]

What would be the best weapon skin for hyenas getup for my agent? Vandal perhaps?

[lunar bough]

Guys u can put spoilers like this || keener is dead ||

[cold bramble]

||deez nutz ||

[lunar bough]

Yes that’s a big spoiler

[cold bramble]

this channel is solely for spoilers so using the tags is pretty pointless

[lunar bough]

Trueee

[gaunt ice]

How?

...can I put stuff like that

[gaunt ice]

Also I can’t believed that black tusk used that to destroy dc

[spark portal]

is it true that agent kelso is the next rogue?

[gaunt ice]

No,it wasn’t,isn’t and won’t happen

She has zero motives to do that

At least Lau was hinted through the comms

[lunar night]

It was a popular theory within the community given her extreme tenacity

[spark portal]

Something about the president gives me the hibbie jibbies tho

When agent kelso gave him that look, made me feel she suspected something fake out of his briefcase

[sleek osprey]

Lmao ppl die

[cold bramble]

||highlight what you said, it's the far right symbol on the menu that pops up||

[gaunt ice]

Pro among us players belike:

[gaunt ice]

I guess that’s more due to bad equipment

“Agent down”
“Lol watch broke”

[lunar night]

fair point

[tepid ibex]

After playing through the Schaeffer Manhunt mission I hypothesize Hunters are just working for Black Tusk?

[ashen jungle]

Well at least 1 is, that's all we can confirm right now.

[gaunt ice]

and he's ded

sooooooooo,no?

[ashen jungle]

Who knows who's dead anymore. Hornet was "dead" in Div1 too.

[untold blaze]

Yeha but the description for the memento

Does that have any significance?

And the name for the mask you get from that hunter

[ashen jungle]

I wouldn't read too much into the name of the Coney' Mask, all of the green ones had names like that.

I read the description for Momento, I'm not sure what you saw in it tho.

[cold bramble]

personally to me, it sounds like its coming from a hunter who hunted hunters

because none of those "watched, hunted, collected" sound like shd / rogues

maybe hunted but thats a stretch

[ashen jungle]

"collected" to me says the SHD watches, but idk really
okay gotta go for now, hope someone else wants to talk about it.

[cold bramble]

Another way of looking at it is an shd agent hunting hunters and taking their trophies 4 their own

Sounds stupid though

[round sinew]

Does it?

That's literally what the player agent in Division 2 does.

To be fair, that's only semi-canon, though, but if we take it as canon, then the player agent has personally killed like 30 Hunters.

Meanwhile the Division 1 player agent has killed like, one.

[gaunt ice]

should;ve been tcepsAyllautcA

butt i totally agree

[sleek plover]

hi guys...

... i mean damn I hate LMB

[unreal widget]

For a second I was concerned but then I've seen your usual greeting and I knew everything is normal and fine. 🤪

[sleek plover]

Would this be really the end of div 2?

I mean BTSU is supposed to be the best among BT as a PMC right? But it is kind of odd that BT would have much more manpower than what the "specialist unit" already has.

[spare arrow]

iirc BTSU is just a portion of the well-trained BT operators

[sleek plover]

No PMC is gonna have much manpower that it rivals an entire nation's army.

[spare arrow]

when the government collapses i could see that happening

gov't collapse = army collapse, no?

[sleek plover]

And considering the goals of the illuminati guys behind BT would require quite a manpower, Im curious who would be the main antagonists of div 3 would be

[sleek plover]

what im saying is like
"illuminati guys"' goal using BT=would require manpower akin to pre collapse army=BTSU is only a small portion of BT but they are still many=No way in hell any PMC us gonna have that much man pkwer

actually we need like an exact scale on the average population that a faction has. 500-2000maybe?

so if BTSU has about 2000 people, entire BT would have likw 10,000 or sth.

[cold bramble]

a randomly picked "security" group i've picked in real life called Allied Universal has over 250k employees

another "security" group called G4s has over 533,000

g4s has 546k active military personel

https://imgur.com/a/2hMsVDp

[ashen jungle]

Let's not take it so literally.

I'm sure we've collectively killed more BT than that at this stage.

[cold bramble]

BTSU

[ashen jungle]

BTSU are just the special forces of BT.

[cold bramble]

hornet wasn't dead either, so i doubt we canonically killed that many units, gameplay =/= story

[ashen jungle]

True, I honestly think the only ones we can be sure of are ones we got a cutscene with.

[honest socket]

i will play summit quz i want to damage my brains

[ashen jungle]

spoiler: esra plays summit

[honest socket]

my name is not

esra

[ashen jungle]

spoiler: woot plays summit

[honest socket]

yeah like that

i need to get 30 stages

so i get a exotic cashe

and do sum missions for capacitor

[ashen jungle]

any 5 challenges will get you capacitor, so just pick 2 easy ones at a time and knock them out.

[gaunt ice]

Is there a way to push Summit into canon?

Using the most advanced levels of tinfoil hat techniques

[cold bramble]

hard af thinking about it without using any audio logs/lore pieces to build a base off of

what i thought currently after like 10 minutes, is that it could be seen as a boo for hunters and remnants of the factions being used to defend them

we honestly don't have any timeline set for hunters so they could be seen as -after story-

actually we do but its slim

the manhunt hunter

[ashen jungle]

Summit into canon? Well the Cleaners did break in there, so you could argue that they set off some crazy gas in there that made us all insane and thinking we're fighting the same 100 Floors over and over again.

[sleek plover]

I almost thought if just blowing up the building would just get rid of all the bastards in there, until I realized there were some civilian survivors inside the building.
Besides blowing up a pre-flu landmark is a really extreme thing to do, even for division.

[ashen jungle]

I genuinely think that's why we haven't done that for like half the strongholds in-game.
the SHD bunker is ripe for a good toxic gas pumping, if it wasn't for the Lady in there, I forget her name.

[gaunt ice]

Isn’t that considered a war crime Rivs?

The use of chemical weapons?

[sleek plover]

I am having like a nightmarish time on the summit hunters myself, especially so because my usual tactics consist of striker drone and assault turrets.
it really do suck when they're hacked against me.

And most of the division skills are already warcrime, including drones and turrets

[gaunt ice]

While in theory you’re just wiping 1 floor over and over and over?

[sleek plover]

the only reason it is allowed is because... well its post apocalypse.

[gaunt ice]

I don’t think we have that much reserve of gas

[ashen jungle]

Basically yeah, 1 floor over and over, and then at the end we're just taking an Elevator up and escaping once we hit open air.

[gaunt ice]

And besides,they do have gas mask so unless it’s a Eclipse payload,it’s not gonna do much

[ashen jungle]

chlorine gas is scarily easy to make, there's a reason cops keep an eye on that stuff.

[sleek plover]

So whats your next title Rivens?

The Lesbian Prime?

[ashen jungle]

I was thinking "meh"

[gaunt ice]

Rivens the meh Lesbian

[ashen jungle]

see? kinda rolls off the tongue

[gaunt ice]

“Tinfoil hat”sounds like a replacement for lore thou

[sleek plover]

Or "the ur-Lesbian"

wait

w8

"The Chlroine-Gas Lesbian"

[ashen jungle]

doesn't fit, too many characters

the flag takes up a few I guess

[sleek plover]

How about gaseous lesbian

[gaunt ice]

...the Lesbian^2

[sleek plover]

lol

[gaunt ice]

The Lesbian Lesbian

[sleek plover]

Rivens, the most lesbian of all the division agent

she is the lesbianest among us all

[ashen jungle]

there's no art in these, I like it to vaguely annoy people but also be like "huh, makes sense" at the same time.

dw, ive got a list

[sleek plover]

Next time you should kill some homophobic true sons guy

and become "the triumphant lesbian"

[gaunt ice]

I mean,with enough meth and tinfoil hats we can,THEORETICALLY say that every female character in Div2 is a lesbian or secretly have a lover using the power of....

....fanfictions

[spare arrow]

thats pushing it, thanh

[gaunt ice]

I’m not,since we don’t have enough meth

[sleek plover]

Rivens, the fanfic lesbian

... I've created a monster...

[gaunt ice]

With Rivs theory,are you saying that we killed 10000+ enemies and then 2-6 hunters when we are high on meth?