division-universe

[frosty spoke]

The problem with "who's bad" argument is trying to apply moral values to a world where those aren't in the first place in a list of stuff that matters

[tame pivot]

Would be cool to have dynamic seasons in-game.

[torn shoal]

people in here think their moral values are universal, which doesnt help

[subtle terrace]

Survival is in testing and hopefully DC can be permanently snowy.

Want me to spoil you a bit with Division Resurgence story?

[sick lantern]

I don’t agree in the slightest, and I’ll use this paraphrased version of the movie director Rawson Thurber’s views to explain why:
“Rawson Thurber especially likes the concept of The Division 1 because it is fundamentally about doing something good. Getting the power back on, getting food to people, and helping others.”

That’s what the SHD do in the games and the EU media. Secure supply lines. Research the virus. Suppress the factions who, without exaggeration, murder people in the streets.

I don’t see what perspective leads to these actions for the wellbeing of the people to be considered morally wrong

[storm axle]

Im aint playing that

[subtle terrace]

I didnt play much because not good with the controls but as usual, the story feels forced af.

[subtle terrace]

So you want to know?

[ashen jungle]

It's new, so put it in spoilers.

[storm axle]

Yes

I Hope that div 3 will have enitre new story and we dont have to come back to DC or NY again

[tame pivot]

I'm hoping for Chicago

[torn shoal]

i hope los angeles

[sick lantern]

me too

[storm axle]

Boston would be cool too but its too close to NY and DC zo they could milk them more

[subtle terrace]

Alright well, we now ||play as a First Wave Division agent. Theres nothing much during the tutorial missions, you know, the usual Division jobs. But at the end of the tutorial, we got knocked out and fell into coma for several months. During this several months, events of Division 1 happened. Faye Lau was literally the one explaining everything we did back in Division 1. Then of course "Somehow Freemen came out" which is why I said the story is yet again forced.|| Not sure how they're going to expand the story but Im not going to be surprised if they pull another somehow...

[ashen jungle]

MSV are kinda known for their world design, we need some good architecture, and something different from div1, or div2.

[storm axle]

Somehow lmb took enitre ny and they have to retake ISS

[frosty spoke]

Oh god no

[storm axle]

Chicago could be nice, and then we would go to the west with every new game

[torn shoal]

lmb didnt take whole ny

[storm axle]

Its a joke

[ashen jungle]

LMB took an L, is what they took.

couldn't even survive a single leader loss.

[torn shoal]

i mean how are we supposed to know that

[sick lantern]

did you legitimately expect the LMB to board the International Space Station?

[subtle terrace]

"Guess I'm a White Tusk now." -Random LMB soldier.

[ashen jungle]

When it's text, use /s at the end, as someone who has to rely solely on text to communicate: it's worth being clear.

[torn shoal]

i wish people would use that irl too

[ashen jungle]

I've read dumber things in this channel.

[storm axle]

Like?

[ashen jungle]

That one was more of a comment for those of us that've been around a while.

but I guess if you want an answer: that one user who used to post their fanfic here.

[storm axle]

What

[ashen jungle]

Entire chapters.

[sick lantern]

^

[storm axle]

How long was that

[obsidian jay]

We straight up spawn camped all their potential bosses lol

[torn shoal]

dont even need to go that far in time, i can name the new guy that came in here saying they wrote and publish entire books and we shouldnt question what they say lol

[ashen jungle]

What webkinz linked to is not even the worst of it, but is a good example of why it's a good idea to keep some ideas to yourself.

When I was 13 I wrote Linkin Park fan lyrics. I was smart enough to not post them.

[storm axle]

My agent lore is (insert worst possible lore)

[torn shoal]

everybody used to do that for their fav rpg as a kid

[subtle terrace]

I believe we're getting side tracked here.

[torn shoal]

i did that for dofus back in the day, fk i was young

[ashen jungle]

Someone brought up Theo, so we have to talk about being massive dorks.

[subtle terrace]

Anyway, BT got tons of helis and funnily enough we never had a bossfight against them.

"Best I can do is a big ass drone." -Natalya probably.

[subtle terrace]

This guy is about to do the final mission for Div 1.

[storm axle]

That story is meh

[torn shoal]

well there is a bigger ass drone : raid boss

[storm axle]

Yea, that's me

[subtle terrace]

Razorback is a vehicle, but yeah, heres infinite drones.

[torn shoal]

whats the difference between a vehicule and a drone tho ? both were unmanned

[subtle terrace]

Razorback is literally a giant truck though? Carrying god knows how many drones inside.

[ashen jungle]

Technically both are drones, since unmanned.

[torn shoal]

so ?

[ashen jungle]

Ones a "UGV", ones a "UAV".

[torn shoal]

a drone doesnt have to be small and flying

[subtle terrace]

Oh wait yeah nvm I guess Razorback able to become a "drone"

[storm axle]

Im surprsied that thoese guys didnt include something like "my agent was cia agent, Delta force veteran who got two medals of honor bc he killed bin laden"

[subtle terrace]

Since its constantly fighting by itself.

[torn shoal]

they avoid politics

[ashen jungle]

Kelso was CIA.

Keener was a future's trader on Wall Street, because of course he was.

[subtle terrace]

"I guess you can take her clearence but not her training." -Bardon Schaeffer.

[storm axle]

I though that shd agents where supposed to be civilians

[torn shoal]

they pretend to be, they arent tho

[storm axle]

Not anymore

[ashen jungle]

Agents are from all walks of life.
That is sorta the point.

[subtle terrace]

SHD Agents comes from all kinds of backgrounds, even firefighter.

Goes the same to Black Tusk.

[torn shoal]

just cause we are agent doesnt mean we dont have a civilian life, we are still soldier sleeping

supposed to be elite, waiting to be activated

[ashen jungle]

The neat thing about div2 is that you can invent your own headcanon about what your Agent was before this.
I like to help it inform the oufit choices.

[torn shoal]

well obv fashion is the most important aspect of being an agent

[storm axle]

I was using capitol Police pants bc of a badge bc i made my head canon that my agent is ex cop

[torn shoal]

we gotta slay our outfit before we slay our enemies

[subtle terrace]

All rogues looked level 40s while loyalists looked level 1.

[ashen jungle]

If you hang out near the BoO Season Vendor pair, they've got some great dialogue about meta stuff.

[subtle terrace]

not all loyalists since some of their outfits are in store

[ashen jungle]

One of them comments on an Agent walking up to them in "socks, sandals, and a hockey mask".

[subtle terrace]

must be a hunter in day off

[ashen jungle]

"I didn't wanna mess with them, but I did want them on my team"

[torn shoal]

hopefully no other clothes on them

[subtle terrace]

But all the loyalist agents we've met so far looks level 1 af

[torn shoal]

kelso new outfit is neat now that she rogue, so thats true

[subtle terrace]

ah see

[storm axle]

But i feel that most of the time when someone creates a headcanon in shooter gamę they always make it so unrealistic

[torn shoal]

why would we want something realistic

[storm axle]

Idk. I did The same thing lol

[torn shoal]

real life is boring, i want fun and impressive stuff

[subtle terrace]

My agent headcanon is a Loyalist self-proclaimed Hunter. Cuz well, I just like Rogue agents random encounter so much and we got plenty of Hunter outfits.

Covert Hunter outfit my beloved.

[storm axle]

I mean. Its always unrealistic and kinda funny

[torn shoal]

if mission impossible was realistic it would be boring to watch

[storm axle]

Ik ik

Im not saying unrealistic = bad

Just saying that people make unrealistic military characters that are funny

I did The same thing

[subtle terrace]

My brother in loyalist, nothing makes sense in Division so might as well go nuts about it.

[sick lantern]

undercover, sleeper agents

factually, The World of The Division says that they don't screen for prior experience in agent candidates
in practice, this is kind of contradicted as every agent that I know of that we know what they were doing pre-recruitment is said to be ex military or similarly trained- Lau, Keener, Hornet, every Missing Agent in Div 1 iirc, Maira Kanhai, etc
with police examples being James Dragov and the Korean sniper lady (Yeong Ja? her outfit you can buy)

[frosty bluff]

Definitely is. If they have to heli-lift and bulldozer a path, either its heavier than the Razorback or its too large to be heli-lifted or hovercrafted into DC.

My prediction as to what it could be goes as such:

[storm axle]

And UN is finished

[tame pivot]

Books and novels cover more of the other nations?

[sick lantern]

nope

[storm axle]

I still Hope for some kind of dlc taking place i europe

[tame pivot]

Me too but Division Agents were US based only if I understand the whole deal.

Would also be cool to have Agents dispatched to Africa during an ebola outbreak or something.

[storm axle]

Shd agents are US based and they would go to africa bc of ebola

I Hope for dlc in Europe where we have to find and rescue some politician or general

[tame pivot]

Was spinning on from your ide of traveling to other places 🙂

[storm axle]

And we should find some US soldier there that would join jtf

[weak forge]

We still ain’t explored most of America yet lol

[subtle terrace]

Random question, whats your favorite named enemies and why?

For me, the trio Black Tusk heavies in Dark Hours raid. Forgot their names. They got funny looking animations when deploying EMP i think? When an agent is close to them.

[wicked gorge]

The chunky heavy from the black tusk

Gives moto moto vibes

[ashen jungle]

The one Hyena who read too many Anne Rice novels, and now has a british accent.

[storm axle]

And im done with div 1

I have two mythics lol

[torn shoal]

why would they go to africa and why ebola ?

shd is for the us, not attacking a foreign nation

same for europe, its not bad there, why would u want to go make it worse

[ashen jungle]

Strategic Homeland Division.
France ain't the homeland.

[storm axle]

Dont Ask me

[rigid jacinth]

europe rahhh!!! 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅 🇪🇺 🇪🇺 🇪🇺 🇪🇺

[storm axle]

Ask him

[rigid jacinth]

polish detected

[torn shoal]

then why are u asking for it ?

[ashen jungle]

shiny

[storm axle]

Im not The one who asked

[torn shoal]

talk about yourself 🥖

[rigid jacinth]

i want realistic, it can be sci-fi but realistic one, like interstellar for example, not zombies, weird machines or whatever

[torn shoal]

u did

[storm axle]

Context bro

[torn shoal]

interstellar is everything but realistic

[ashen jungle]

I mean I'm australian lol.
Our SHD Agents are all SAS trained. Yanks haven't got a chance.

[storm axle]

Look here Lyfe

[rigid jacinth]

wdym it was literally made with help of scientists
the most realistic depiction of black hole ever

[torn shoal]

again, why would wwe go there ?

[ashen jungle]

It also featured 5th dimensional love ghosts.
but back to the div2 lore now.

[storm axle]

I asked him

[torn shoal]

just depicting 1 thing accurately doesnt mean its realistic for the entire movie, time travel isnt a thing, black hole not shredding the hero isnt a thing either

[ashen jungle]

Okay okay I can already see this going on for ages.

[torn shoal]

ah fk didnt see the message mb

[storm axle]

Context bro

[rigid jacinth]

😐 😡
stop talking like this about the best movie ever!

anyway, you get the point

[storm axle]

Best film ever is first alien

Best woman in entire cinema

[ashen jungle]

And now the cinema club is over.

[storm axle]

The divison movie when

[torn shoal]

not happenning

[storm axle]

Meh

[ashen jungle]

Nicolas Cage is not going to be in a div movie any time soon.

[rigid jacinth]

oh yes i was asking myself the same question
but looking at the storytelling in div1 and div2, someone else would have to take care of it...
div2 story is super stupid...

[torn shoal]

dont joke about him it might happen lol

[storm axle]

I dont like him that much

[ashen jungle]

It's not a joke, he's in the IMDB list, so there's at least a heavy rumour.

My assumption was Joe Ferro.

[torn shoal]

he was also rumored as superman, i still cant saw it

[storm axle]

I want to see no name actors in divison movie

[ashen jungle]

fun fact: he did get to play superman. In that terrible Flash movie.
but I digress.

[torn shoal]

i think terrible is not enough to describe that movie

[ashen jungle]

you cast only no-nameds, you get The Room.

[storm axle]

Fan cast of divison movie

[torn shoal]

i mean there is a world between no experience actor and nicolas cage

[ashen jungle]

"i did not burn her, its BS i did not, oh hi Kelso"

cmon, we need another Borderlands.

[storm axle]

Dwayne rock Johnson
Tom Holland
Jack Black
Criss Pratt
Zendeya
Any dead actor made with ai

[torn shoal]

dear god plz no

[torn shoal]

why u name 2 good actors only ?

[storm axle]

No wait

Jack Black as kelso

[torn shoal]

the only thing i want from a div movie : not being action film

[storm axle]

And make The divison movie as musical

[ashen jungle]

Just make it a mini-series. British style is fine.

[torn shoal]

comic mini serie ?

[storm axle]

Imagine Gordon singing about killing enitre human race

[ashen jungle]

3 episodes. 1st is the outbreak, 2nd is living in the apocalypse, 3rd is the main plot stuff.

[frosty bluff]

The books would probably have a better adaptation than the Division games, unless they alter the game-based movies so its based on events that would occur on the side that don't interact with in-game missions.

[storm axle]

Soemthing like chernobyl?

[ashen jungle]

I was thinking more The Terror, but sure whatever serious miniseries comes to mind.

[torn shoal]

aight then 3 episodes 1 only if we get the entire episode as no cut, single shot

[wicked gorge]

I wouldn’t class Chernobyl is an outbreak

[ashen jungle]

If its a british style one, each episode is 90 minutes btw.

and I do mean a mini-series. No long runs.

[storm axle]

Lets do 9 division movies. In The last one shd agents have to destroy Death start created by kerner after he went rogue again

[ashen jungle]

Drones are pretty cheap now. Add some orange rings to them and make them a bit fancy+dark, you've got SHD tech.

hell, smart watches can have fanmade div watchfaces.

[storm axle]

Or do something like The walking dead where each season gets worse and worse

[ashen jungle]

One entire season at the fish farm.

[storm axle]

Yes

They somehow made 4 Hobbit movies out of one book

[torn shoal]

god not the fish taco plz

[ashen jungle]

Jokes aside, this is why I said a short-run only.
make something as long as it needs to be, not as long as it makes money.

[storm axle]

I would love to be something like first wave agent who gets killed at the end of the series

[ashen jungle]

Sure, a prequel story is good.

[torn shoal]

yeah but it wont happen, before last pandemic it was already hard to get approval, now nobody wont do it

[storm axle]

Or maybe something about JTF

[torn shoal]

unless we talk about some author that loves a challenge but that means no budget

[ashen jungle]

They re-made a stephen king miniseries about a world wide plague mid covid lockdowns.

not even kidding.

[storm axle]

Idk why but i see Kevin spacey as some antagonist

[ashen jungle]

I hate to tell you this, but he ain't gonna be in it.

[wicked gorge]

Cause that’s 90% of his roles

[torn shoal]

or any real movie anytime soon

[storm axle]

Ik ik

[ashen jungle]

Or anything, hopefully ever again.

[torn shoal]

thank god

[ashen jungle]

dude's a good actor, he's great.
but hell to the no.

[storm axle]

But i will love house of cards

[torn shoal]

meh

[ashen jungle]

The british OG was better.

[torn shoal]

the only thing the british didnt do good as og was the office

[storm axle]

I just Hope that they dont connect series with The game

Maybe first wave agent in DC or smth but dont mix series with The game

Now for no reason i'm going to find US president's tower

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I hope they don’t connect the series with the games,

[torn shoal]

the fbi is typing

[ashen jungle]

Imagine if they tied in the official div2 series with the game of the same series.

like wat does that even mean. How could they not?

"oh it wasnt that green poison, it was the other one you haven't heard of"

[torn shoal]

u know what would be actually good ? making the web serie canon

[storm axle]

"so... We are some kind of The Divison?"

[ashen jungle]

"hey argent, go with Keylso and find Kener"

Temu division up here.

[torn shoal]

"careful of rouges"

[ashen jungle]

"put on your Momento and use the Regular"

[torn shoal]

"want some oreos ?"

[storm axle]

"kelyso is not here"

I dont remember the full quote tho

[ashen jungle]

I swear I won't post the vor-text with div replacements.

[wicked gorge]

“Oh this gun? St. Elmo made it, said it was some kind of Engine”

[torn shoal]

what was the word they used for eagle barer

[storm axle]

"why do i have shd watches on my backpack? Its just The Memento for our dead friends"

[torn shoal]

"i was a bearer of eagle back in the days"

i forgot the word that guy used in here last time im so sad

[wicked gorge]

Don’t worry Keener and his rogue cell will return in Avengers Doomsday

[storm axle]

I Hope they add as much fanservice to div movie as possible

"My mask? It belonged to Coyote"

"Why my equipment is white? You know... Im just a Striker"

There is aircraft carrier in The game?

[sick lantern]

go to West Side Piers and check out Resistance
preferably with a good build and/or allies

[storm axle]

I saw it

[sinful mauve]

We all like Strikers, even Keener use it

[autumn island]

Keener uses striker in lore?

[sinful mauve]

In Division 1 yeah. Division 2 probably got bored, he started wearing an Overlord backpack

You can actually see his concept art or anyone who have seen his character model you'll see his wearing a striker gear

[wicked gorge]

Keener follows the meta

[storm axle]

I Hope they cast zendeya as kelso

And Jack Black as keener

[subtle terrace]

whut?

[torn shoal]

dear god plz no

[sinful mauve]

(fun fact: the person who voiced Mayhem is Awkwafina)

[storm axle]

Ortega as dwayne rock Johnson

[late void]

Jenna Ortega? That would be quite the transformation

[subtle terrace]

Ugh, I still hate how every loyalist agents we've met so far got no sense of drip. All of them looked level 1.

[torn shoal]

if we get a division movie i want the best drip

[subtle terrace]

All the good looking agents are dead and they put their clothes on sale.

[errant zodiac]

If I die as an agent, my body better be clean af

[tame pivot]

Speaking of that. Are Division watches connected to an agent's DNA or something? Or could anyone pick up a watch and go pew pew?

[ashen jungle]

The SHD Watch doesn't run everything itself, it's connected to the brick, which receives from a server.

[tame pivot]

Yeah I know. One of the Div2 missions were to restore a SHD server node.
But does the server know the watch's user is legit?

[sinful mauve]

yes. cause it connected to our Brick, our lenses

[tame pivot]

Gotcha

[torn shoal]

as any security software, its strong but people can hack it

[weak forge]

Been out of the loop for a while but what’s the situation with ANNA, just working simultaneously with isac or is it just because we have the two separate watches?

[weak forge]

True I also want it to be as 1:1 with the game and book universe as it can be, no extra characters we know nothing about or unnecessary story. (Basically the stuff Disney did to Star Wars)

Although I feel like a series would be better to tell a story like the divisions personally

[weak forge]

Am I right in thinking that Jake gylenhall is cast in it?

[storm axle]

No idea

[storm axle]

Hell nah

Div movie or seris should give us new story in new city

Maybe even something like. One episode is one agents story in different city

[weak forge]

Yeah new story but true to the universe if that makes sense not like the Hollywood fantasy rubbish

[ember vector]

I'm so excited to know about what "the small print" on the original Directive 51 paper that was signed says! Maybe it is something that is going to change the entire perception of what our mission as a Division Agent entails.

[weak forge]

Wait I missed that? Has it been mentioned recently?

[humble jacinth]

I see the series going like the fallout show

A new city at first and then somehow end up in New York

[weak forge]

Yeah lol

[humble jacinth]

All roads lead to new york

[ashen jungle]

It is literally where the whole thing started.

[quick ferry]

hahah right!!!

I heard the movie got canned

[wicked gorge]

I can’t wait to release Keener from his cell, man should be running the white house

[ashen jungle]

's prison cafeteria.

[wicked gorge]

Y’all just haven’t seen the bigger picture, Keener is actually reliable and trustworthy. Y’all just think he’s a bad guy for a small mistake but we’re all human, we make mistakes

[ashen jungle]

When I go on trial for creating and selling a biological weapon of mass destruction, I'll use "it was a small mistake".

"your honour, it was a whoopsie-daisy, a "bit of a faff" at most".

[wicked gorge]

Exactly, all he deserves is a slap on the wrist

[tepid ibex]

Careful, one might find pleasure in such a….punishment

[wicked gorge]

Nah keener would punish you

[tepid ibex]

what’d i do 🥹🥺

[wicked gorge]

For speaking against him, keeners vision is final

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

[subtle terrace]

You hate Left Mouse Button? You use it all the time.

[native tangle]

Yall think we are gonna see a new faction before div 3?

[sinful mauve]

Idk if there's a new faction soon. There is The Founders

[native tangle]

Who are the founders.

[sinful mauve]

Let's just say Fallout Minutemen but they are the bad guys

[native tangle]

Ur kidding

That seems like such a low threat faction.

[sinful mauve]

Nope. You can check all the factions from comics

Let's just wait for what is the next location for Div 3. They always going to need a new Rebel or rioter type Faction, a cult type Faction, a paramilitary faction, well Black Tusk probably one of them

[wicked gorge]

Damn I hate batteries

[torn shoal]

what is a terries

[subtle terrace]

We did. In Division Resurgence at least. They're called the Freemen.

Somehow Palpatine returned ahh plot.

[surreal hearth]

Why did they call them? The freemen

[torn shoal]

cause i guess they wanted to be free men

[ashen jungle]

Or they really love Half Life.

[storm axle]

"im only human after all"

[sinful mauve]

Free thinkers like Engineers, mechanics or inventors (rarely). But if you add some radical stuff to their resume you get the Freemen faction.

its more Civil workers gone anarchy

[storm axle]

I wonder In which Universe shd agents would do some good job

Im just talking about other games and other media like films and series

Im playing project zomboid rn as div agent lol

[subtle terrace]

Left 4 Dead. You know, most people first impression on Division is a zombie apocalypse. Turns out, its not.

[storm axle]

L4d? Maybe but it depends

[subtle terrace]

Someone in this server literally got into the game cuz he used Division skins for his survivors in Left 4 Dead and it fits perfectly.

[storm axle]

Ik it fits

But i mean how would they do

[subtle terrace]

Oh man, Eclipse Protocol crowd control build is a must on every run. Shoot a chem foam, kill one zombie and it infinitely spreads to others. Special mutated zombies may have higher base hazard protection and tank should be immune.

[storm axle]

I feel like shd agents wouldnt do too good in l4d

Maybe if they were going in grups

[subtle terrace]

Eh, dont think so. We got turrets and all that so why we wouldnt do good in a zombie apocalypse.

We got literally everything fits for a zombie apocalypse.

We have traps that shocks or just explodes.

[storm axle]

Shd agents would get outnumbered too fast like in div but this time you have thousands of people running at you

Even with turrets and traps

Maybe if shd got help of The army and there were more of them

[subtle terrace]

I still dont understand why you think SHD agents wont do well in a zombie apocalypse considering the featured survivors are literally just civillians. Except Bill of course.

[storm axle]

Plot armor

[subtle terrace]

And SHD agents are trained, well armed, and got techs to back them up.

[storm axle]

So what about other universes like TWD

[subtle terrace]

Like I said, we literally got everything that fits for a zombie apocalypse.

[subtle terrace]

I dont watch TWD but the most realistic version of zombie apocalypse is World War Z from what I've heard. The novel depicts accurate battle tactics against the zeds.

[storm axle]

World war z novel is just normal war

But With slow zombies

Shd agents would be on rampage there lol

[subtle terrace]

SHD agents would probably just die from the usual stuffs. Ambushed, caught off guard, out of ammo, etc.

Overwhelmed is still possible of course.

[storm axle]

US army lost its first big battle against zombies tho

But what about TLOU

[subtle terrace]

Whats that?

[storm axle]

I feel like div agents would really fit good in The last of us

[subtle terrace]

Oh TLOU

[subtle terrace]

Doesnt matter man. The point is, SHD agents got everything needed for a zombie apocalypse and thats it. Doesnt matter which franchise.

[storm axle]

So what about other non zombies universes

[subtle terrace]

Like what?

[storm axle]

Quiet place for example

[subtle terrace]

Idk what that is.

Anyway Im going to bed so I'll see you around.

[storm axle]

Alien come to Earth and they kill everything that makes a loud noise

And they are armored lika a tank but better

[obsidian jay]

I doubt they'll be activated for that type of situation
If they did, the most they could do is locate resources and know where hostiles are, with the right tech, a lot of our other tech make a lotta noise, and are designed for combat

They could survive but that depends on the agent's abilities and skills imo

[thick quiver]

Ongoing Directives with Bluescreen, Banshee Pulse and Reviver Hive there's no zombie are going to use EMP on me

except we're talking about zombified Hunters or zombified Aaron Keener

[late void]

You'd just revive as a zombie yourself, surely

[thick quiver]

the plot armor

But this is where all directives are automatically turned on and cannot be turned off.

[storm axle]

Just found out that directive 51 is real

And it was signed by Bush in 2007

Just like in div Universe... Shd is real

Directive 51 says that coordinator of National continuity should be The assitant to president for Homeland security

So we gotta find that guy

[wicked gorge]

Im not even gonna comment

[sick lantern]

so is Operation Dark Winter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter

and ISAC is based on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CALO

[storm axle]

I know about dark winter

I like that div Universe is based on real things

[sick lantern]

whoever they are, they were active during Div 1- They contact Faye Lau before Falcon Lost

[wicked gorge]

Is that what ISACs actually based off?

[storm axle]

Propably

[tepid ibex]

Just did bub

[wicked gorge]

Oh no immortal

[tepid ibex]

Think you mean PEAKmortal

[wicked gorge]

I can’t invade earth now, rats

[tepid ibex]

he scur

[ashen jungle]

[tepid ibex]

ahum, you bring up an excellent point Riv, Keener has been in timeout for awhile now

[pseudo jasper]

the combat prowess of the average shd agent is absurd, even considering things from a realism/hardcore mode perspective and taking all the dead agents we find into account

[wicked gorge]

Maybe fraudmortal is onto something, we need keener to be freed

[tepid ibex]

Exactly, Thrash’s right, we can only imagine how much of a benefit it could be to have Keener out in the field.

[storm axle]

I dont really like one thing im div

There are lots of dead agents

But one agent completed all The missions

[obsidian jay]

We're built different

Because of our builds

[surreal hearth]

OK, the storyline is getting more and more ridiculous as the season press on another unknown faction has been attacking true sons defectors and civilians as well

Seems like the Cabal’s have some serious actions ready to take place as the black tusk failed to take over

[subtle terrace]

I mean, we got new faction called the Freemen out of the blue in Division Resurgence.

[surreal hearth]

The Freeman’s are nothing more than rioters 2.0 their existence is unknown

[subtle terrace]

Yeah but you know Div Resurgence takes place after Div 1. Which doesnt make sense when everythings been stabilized until the Rogues came out.

And Freemen doesnt even exist in Div 2.

[surreal hearth]

So basically the freeman’s were most likely the startups longer before the rogues showed up along with LMBs

Early opportunist thugs

[subtle terrace]

At this point Im not even gonna surprised if somehow Natalya as it turns out on our side trying to prevent whatever the rest of the Cabal members are doing to America.

[surreal hearth]

In past conspiracies people thought the cabals was a government bogeyman and now just suddenly being added into the lore is more bread crumb answers

[mellow herald]

oh no thats definitely just the Black Tusk, but they seemingly have gotten some new tech

[surreal hearth]

Other than a couple of new units such as team 9

Not to mention this mysterious director responsible for the BTSU psychology

[storm axle]

Im 100% sure that at one point BT will collapse and most of their ex employees will work for JTF

[weak forge]

Didn’t some of the lmb from div 1 join BT?

[subtle terrace]

Yes, all of White Tusk members are ex-LMB.

Left Mouse Button.

[storm axle]

Yep

[torn shoal]

no chance it will happen since it would be the end of the game

[weak forge]

Think I might watch ngn’s lore recap today, spruce up on my knowledge

[storm axle]

Somehow every other enemy faction returned

[civic cliff]

I still find it funny how some of the remnant of the lmb went to work for btsu

[torn shoal]

no cause invasions are weekly and only for bt

[subtle terrace]

good choice

[subtle terrace]

Arent they just a sub-faction?

[torn shoal]

they are the White tusk

[weak forge]

I just hope I don’t leave it with more questions but I guess that is what this channel is for lol

[subtle terrace]

Doesnt necessarily work for the BTSU but rather different elite unit since they only appear in Legendary difficulty.

[subtle terrace]

Yeh i know

[civic cliff]

which is why they are a pain in the ass to kill 😂

[subtle terrace]

I guess the ex-LMBs are actual battle hardened soldiers, thats why they're deadly

deadly as in has a lot more common sense knowing they can just spam grenade launcher and kamikaze drones

[storm axle]

Is there some in lore reason both division, jtf and other factions dont use cars?

[sick lantern]

they do use them

[storm axle]

So why doesnt jtf use ACPs in first div

[sick lantern]

...they do.

[storm axle]

When?

[sick lantern]

rooftop com relay comes to mind

[storm axle]

Really? I finished that mission two days ago and i dont really remember jtf using any vehicles there

[torn shoal]

they do, but road arent praticable

[sick lantern]

the APCs are at the start of the mission

[torn shoal]

cleaners used a fire truck too

[storm axle]

So they just sit there. Why dont they drive it to kill some enemies?

[sick lantern]

because it's a cover shooter, not a Battlefield game

[storm axle]

Meh

Next div gamę should be battle royal game

[sick lantern]

in-universe answer: they do
irl answer: it's not that type of game

[weak forge]

Fuel shortages are a thing too lol

[civic cliff]

the jtf is so incompetent. It blew my mind that they got over run my rikers at the highway area that we had to bypass all those turrets the lmb had and Faye's sister got killed. That shouldve been a well defended spot.

[storm axle]

They have enough fuel to use helis

There are tons of car everywhere that they can take fuel from

[civic cliff]

or they couldve chose to attack the cleaners for their fuel processing facilities

[sick lantern]

highway area?

[civic cliff]

that mission where you had to flank the turrets to turn them off was on a highway area if I remember right with that one part that merges with the road your advancing on when you get close to the end of the mission.

[sick lantern]

you mean Grand Central?

[storm axle]

I still cant really get how does so many JTF guys get killed. They are ex soldiers and cops vs civilians

I get that when there are 3 jts guys on patrol and they get attacked by 10 rikers

They may not win that fight

[civic cliff]

dont remember the name its been a while

[storm axle]

But when 50 of them cant hold an entire building from rikers or rioters

And it importnat to remember that most of rikers use handguns

[sick lantern]

you could vaguely be describing Grand Central, Queens Tunnel or General Assembly, so

[sick lantern]

that is not even remotely true
you mean rioters?

[storm axle]

Propably

[weak forge]

Has the division wiki been updated with year 8 stuff yet?

[storm axle]

I can imagine that jtf have some troubles with cleaners and lmb in The first game

But rikers and rioters?

[civic cliff]

yeah I never got how any mission or known lore we know about the jtf they have been so useless in defending or attacking anything like camp white oak. To be fair with that mission manny is an idiot having them advance on a bridge anyone would know wold be rigged since we have scouts.

[sick lantern]

rikers are hardened criminals and well equipped
plus, not everyone in the JTF is a soldier or cop- they're basically every emergency service conglomerated plus any civilian volunteers they could get

[storm axle]

But everytime we see JTF guys they wear soldier or cop uniform

And it would make no sense to send EMS or firegihters on patrols

[torn shoal]

thank god they dont listen to people in here

[storm axle]

It was a joke tho

[frosty spoke]

Ehhh, because they had it issued to them as they joined JTF, whats the problem with that?

[torn shoal]

they are not ex soldiers, they are mostly emt

[sick lantern]

you actually didn't know who the JTF are ok wow
what do you think the "Joint" part of "Joint Task Force" means
even Rick Valassi on the radio says "cops, firefighters, EMTs, reservists, national guard... doing -what they can-"

[civic cliff]

I think they know better since the last ghost recon announced was an extraction and it got thumb downed into the abyss on youtube

[sick lantern]

it's an extreme disaster situation, swathes of police/military would have died from the infection, they needed anyone they can get

that's why they were all formed into the JTF, because no one organisation had the manpower alone

[storm axle]

I know that jtf is mix of cops, soldier and rest of emergency services

[torn shoal]

do u tho ? cause u call them soldiers

[storm axle]

Whatever

[torn shoal]

words matter man

[storm axle]

Its easier to call them soldiers than cops, soldiers, paramedics and firefighter

[torn shoal]

u can call them jtf

[frosty spoke]

Or militia (?)

[civic cliff]

Im extremely eager for the next dlc for D2 because hopefully it gives the same vibes as D1 with the mystery and dark tone surrounding the outbreak that D2 has been loose with because its been more of a turf war with the 4 factions.

[frosty spoke]

What deserves a question, is D2's JTF, their equipment to be precise

Its understandable at the start of campaign

But not at the endgame. They get better weaponry as story progresses, but still go out in just t-shirts and pants

[sick lantern]

they could at least wear helmets

[torn shoal]

from who would they get gear ?

[frosty spoke]

From whom they get weapons they carry

[torn shoal]

from their supplies ?

why would they get new gear is my question

after div 1 gov is gone and so are supplies

[frosty spoke]

Same reason why they get issued a better weapons compared to the beginning of the story

Have you noticed the difference?

[torn shoal]

there is no différence ?

[frosty spoke]

There is

[sick lantern]

they start the game using golf clubs instead of guns lmao

[sick lantern]

taken from enemy factions

by the end of the base game the militia should be well equipped with captured M32s, Carl Gustafs, etc

[torn shoal]

like what ? they dont even use armor, and just use basic guns

[frosty spoke]

Bruh, even by midgame they get weapons kitted up with scopes and tacblocks and stuff

[sick lantern]

you know how in the Castle they have captured Black Tusk rockets? there should be a lot more of that

[frosty spoke]

Actually I get it why's that

[sick lantern]

the civilian militia would be looking to take anything they can get and it's part of the SHD's training to procure resources/infrastructure/etc in the field

[frosty spoke]

Manny "lets blow stockpiles up just to piss BT off, lol" Ortega is the reason

[sick lantern]

oh god you reminded me

[torn shoal]

does that even matter vs razorback and that firetruck ?

[sick lantern]

is it better than a literal golf club? yes

[torn shoal]

if melee oneshot u then id take that golf club

[frosty spoke]

Wait wait wait, our the discussion got derailed. I pointed out arsenal improvement (which is good), as a contradiction to persistent lack of body protection

[frosty spoke]

I'd too take that gold club if I had something to protect me from a gunshot

[torn shoal]

our arsenal or Jtf ?

[frosty spoke]

JTF

Oh and if JTF couldn't get their hands on gear, how Peacekeepers and Keener's militia did

[wicked gorge]

Because the JTF are overstressed, they have to cover several different sectors, who knows how many checkpoints, have to help and deal with civilian issues, and have to deal with enemy factions like the LMB and rogue agents

[glad spruce]

Holy hell... That guy still keep asking questions?

[wicked gorge]

Yep

[torn shoal]

what gear are u talking about then ?

[frosty spoke]

Bodyarmor and stuff

[torn shoal]

no il asking what do u see upgraded

[frosty spoke]

Weapons, they start carrying a better ones, compared to the beginning of the game.

[torn shoal]

not really ? like their equipment is really not good even at the end

[velvet oyster]

Just saw on manny’s door at the BoO it’s written "Do not disturb Shaffer is still talking "

[storm axle]

Lol

[wicked gorge]

The JTFs weapons dont have weapon talents or attributes, thats why they’re so weak

[wicked gorge]

No he’s right, beginning of the game you’ll see the civilian militia walking around with no vest or just pistols but the more you upgrade the settlement they get better gear

[glad spruce]

I'm not convinced that you actually played the games

[wicked gorge]

He said something a few days about he doesn’t play the game for the lore or something along those lines

[glad spruce]

Typical

[wicked gorge]

So what cities do y’all think the JTF could have stabilize without the division

[storm axle]

Finished first game few days ago

[storm axle]

Small cities

With less than 500k pop maybe

[torn shoal]

he didnt, he was about to go on un mission few days ago

[storm axle]

I finished both games bruh

[torn shoal]

from the question u keep asking, i doubt it, and im not alone

[subtle terrace]

lol

[torn shoal]

u been told several times to play the games to get ur answers

[storm axle]

I was playing first game for 3 years

[subtle terrace]

we got civillian posing as SHD agent instead of Hunter

actually interesting story, then that civillian turns out capable of being one

[wicked gorge]

Watch NGN

Hell put him on as background noise while playing, that’s what I do when wanting to dive deeper into the story

[subtle terrace]

I already did

[wicked gorge]

Not you

[storm axle]

I gotta watch ngn

[subtle terrace]

oh

[storm axle]

I'll be back

In 5h

[subtle terrace]

Confiscate his Smart watch

[storm axle]

You wont take me Alive

[wicked gorge]

If your invested in the lore then you’ve seen NGN, another decent lore YouTuber is Rogue Gold (joking) but mastermind HD. He sadly doesn’t upload as much but he also covered a lot of both games

Gold does do lore videos but they aren’t as deep as the other two

[storm axle]

Im watching ngn rn

[storm axle]

Watched his video once

[wicked gorge]

I watch him every now and then, technically he would be my most consistent div YouTuber to watch aside NGN but I don’t really look into builds and stuff, just lore

[storm axle]

Btw. Who is commander of jtf rn? Manny Ortega right?

[wicked gorge]

Yes

[frosty bluff]

Reviewed a bit of the comms for a while. I think the our last resort when it comes to a full-scale invasion and collapsing defenses would be to disable the SHD node at Jefferson Trade Center unless both us and Black Tusk are carrying Mobile SHD Servers

[autumn island]

hmmmm, it would be a cool way to have a mission before the main manhunt, like seasons past

[storm axle]

Just got a new agent

Will be replying enitre second game

I already forgot how white house looked before upgrades

[weak forge]

Yeah lol and the events throughout the seasons

[storm axle]

Ok. Not the entire but you get The point

[tropic iris]

Hi is there a specific place to go for the division ios game

[subtle terrace]

different server sir

[tropic iris]

Do you have a link

[subtle terrace]

err... i dont

[tropic iris]

I think I found it but it keeps failing the verification ugh

[weak forge]

Has the Washington airport been used by anyone since the dark hours raid?

[glad spruce]

Nah

[wicked gorge]

It’ll probably be used as a manhunt in the future now we’ve gotten iron horse

[summer ingot]

Bruh I'm so angry at the mobile game rn 😡

[glad spruce]

This is not that channel, bro

[summer ingot]

there is no channel for this

[ashen jungle]

@summer ingot #social-media has a link to the server for it, you can talk about it there.

[proud flax]

I wonder what the new comm will tell tomorrow

[proud flax]

Maybe this season

[wicked gorge]

It wont be

[autumn citrus]

Would honestly love to see the dark hours raid area being used as a manhunt area.,.it's my favorite raid

[tough sapphire]

So like, im so confused on what happened to Midtown and the second wave after TD1. I know they moved to lower, but like what about the rest of the second wave and all that?

[sick lantern]

the second wave agents from NYC are just sorta still around

maybe they’re in DC, maybe they’re not, depends on the agent

some of the old manhunt targets are rogue second wave agents iirc

[autumn island]

@ashen jungle Modders are not allowed yeah? Also could be a hacked account

Also in every single channel in the safe house segment

[glad spruce]

Manhunt: Rise Up - Comm#4 - Warning Signs

||Mari Singh shows Wally a hydrology report, which the Castle's people pulled it out from one of the monitoring stations. Apparently, even after a collapse, water monitoring still take measurements.||

||Obviously, Wally doesn't know a lot about hydrology since she's an electrical engineer. Still, Mari shows a spike in the report, which means phosphorus levels.||

||Given that's bad news, Wally asked if they need to worry about their drinking water or their crops. Mari assures that the Castle's filtration systems can handle that problem, as the real problem is not filtering the entire Potomac River.||

||Mari explains that phosphorus is fertilizer and algae loves fertilizer. But too much in the water, and they'd bo looking at a bloom. She even mentions how President Lincoln during summer, when the phosphorus was a huge problem across the Potomac.||

||And given the Castle don't have the manpower nor resources to handle that issue, the coming scenario is not looking pretty for the Potomac River. Toxins in the water, fish die-offs, ecosystem collapse, damage to pumping systems that are pulling water from the river.||

||If something isn't done about that hydrology issue, the whole Potomac River is likely to stink like an "open sewer full of rotten eggs."||

[frosty bluff]

||I'm not sure if this supposed to a be a lead up to that gigantic machine that is rolling towards DC or if its a lead up to our attack at the hydroelectric dam incursion||

[glad spruce]

||The latter, most likely.||

[torn shoal]

why u changed ur pfp ?

[wicked gorge]

Don’t worry about it

[storm axle]

I just love how ubi forgot to change real life logos from white house, and few cops in div1

In oval you have real life seal on The flag, and ubi made on The carpet

[wicked gorge]

They don’t have to change everything

[glad spruce]

||My cat died a few weeks ago.||

[shy comet]

||I'm sorry, that's rough||

[glad spruce]

Ngl, I do like it when comms did small world-building details.

||Like Y7S2 comms had ones where Mr. Manager had some dealings with McManus and the logistical issues he had to bring up to his former boss.||

[glad spruce]

Thanks

||Also, I screwed up a friendship pretty badly, because I got too annoying on their DM, causing them discomfort.||

[wicked gorge]

Keener did nothing wrong

[storm axle]

They can get sued tho

And it makes no sense to leave real life logos when you made new ones

[amber vault]

What are the known symptoms of the green poison. I wanna make a plague inc senario of the dollar flu and need some information

[storm axle]

Green poison is smallpox

[amber vault]

Yeah I guessed nothing special

Welp that’s what creative liberty is for

[storm axle]

But one thing is importnat

[amber vault]

Infectious before symptoms show

[storm axle]

Indeed

[amber vault]

Ill make that an upgrade you can get early on that would massively lower severity

[storm axle]

Symptoms are fever and vomiting

[storm axle]

Btw. Virus stays in the corpse for long time. Fun thing to add

[amber vault]

Yeah some corpse infectivity

My main thing with it is its abilities which add the different factions. Like hyenas boost drug resistance because they’re taking all of them and cleaners increase heat resistance (but lower infectivity)

The ultimate goal being “rogue agents” which massively increases lethality

[storm axle]

Dollar flu was made to mutate a lot so it will be unpossible to be treated with drugs

So add something about mutations that will make it harder to find The cure

[amber vault]

It’s a virus so yeah it’ll mutate a lot. And while there will be things that make it harder to cure like coma the main replacement of genetic hardening and reshuffle would be the LMB and Black tusk due to their constant attacks on th division agents. Slowing and resetting cure progress

[storm axle]

You have to make some changes tho

Dollar flu was made to kill most of population

So change lore a little bit or at one point just pretend that rest of humanity was killed by humanity

Or just add another mutations that gives it 100% morality

[amber vault]

I got my own idea

I doubt many would play it the ven diagram of division players and plague inc players is a figure 8

[ashen jungle]

@trim yarrow This is a lore discussion channel.

[trim yarrow]

Cool

[wicked gorge]

Its a mixture of 6 viruses( smallpox, influenza, Ebola, etc) i don’t remember the other three but it’s talked about in viral reports 1 and 5 in div1

[tame pivot]

And Division agents were activated to kill the rest, almost. 😜

[subtle terrace]

Still wonder how many agents are still alive out there.

[glad spruce]

Man, that Sergeant Sawyer really pissed me off.

Glad we put him down.

[subtle terrace]

She's my wife btw.
https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Sueko_Tanagi

[sinful mauve]

Course you like the crazies. Especially a rogue type

Fun fact you can actually dress up like her, just without the one strap bag

[subtle terrace]

I can fix her.

[subtle terrace]

Fr?

[sinful mauve]

Yeah

[subtle terrace]

How?

[sick lantern]

have you watched the virus reports from div 1?

[tame pivot]

Man after COVID, the whole deal with a deadly virus seems so much more realistic now. It's too bad the plot around the actual virus in Div2 ended up on the cutting floor. Hopefully we will get more virus gameplay. Shooting stuff is fun, but not 7 years worth of fun imho.

[wicked gorge]

Division 2 focused more on the civil war aspect of the green poison, if they would like to go back to form, they could have the black tusk make an enhanced version of green poison and release it

[storm axle]

Set div 3 before div 2

In January or even in december

[proud flax]

Sooooooo this week comm was interesting

[glad spruce]

No one is gonna enjoy Div 3 as a prequel

[glad spruce]

I bet it's setting up the upcoming incursion, Steel Creek, since it supposedly takes place on a hydroelectric dam.

[ashen jungle]

You can mark that as "confirmed" where it takes place. They showed a screenshot of the location during a livestream.

#td2-general-chat message

[wicked gorge]

Agreed

[tepid ibex]

F we gonna do? Black friday shopping simulator?

[wicked gorge]

Im sorry but is your immortal dressed as a Lmb soldier?

[tepid ibex]

Yes.

[wicked gorge]

Keener Thragg incoming

[wicked gorge]

I think the newbie got it more confused at something I said about if they wanted to go back to the divisions roots of it being more virus based

[patent spire]

Idk if this goes here but, what do agents actually do when they go rogue? Ik they do something with the thing on their bag, but what do they do?

[wicked gorge]

You talking about tech or actions?

[patent spire]

I mean when they hit the thing on their bag is it actually a hit or is it animated as a hit for simplicity?

[tepid ibex]

When Players go Rogue in DZ? Probably just animated as a hit for simplicity. Being able to go Rogue with the touch of a few buttons on the ISAC watch isnt all that realistic, an agents actions are what make them be identified as Rogue.

[patent spire]

Actions like sabotaging extraction? Yk now I wonder what keener did.

Apart from murdering a few agents yk

[wicked gorge]

Isac is active all the time and surveying agents at all times, if ISAC deems you off mission (an example being a agent breaking into a pharmacy for meds) would mark them as rogue

[patent spire]

That makes me question us going into random buildings and looting the bags ngl

[wicked gorge]

Since they’re technically abandoned it wouldn’t be considered rogue

[patent spire]

Makes sense

[wicked gorge]

Areas like the dark zone that disconnect the agent from the network or a faraday cage could potentially prevent an agent from being flagged

[patent spire]

Oh that brings another question to my mind, why exactly does the dz make the agent disconnect from the network? How come thats the only area (that I know of atleast) that does that?

[wicked gorge]

Signal jammers? I don’t know honestly. ISAC probably transmits data through civilian infrastructure

[patent spire]

Perhaps the SHD nodes in the dz have gone down?

[glossy ibex]

Where is the Resurgence channel please ?

[late void]

We don't have a Resurgence channel here, the official Resurgence discord is linked in #social-media

[sick lantern]

ISAC is a dumbass but only when the plot demands it

[sinful mauve]

ISAC is just a boy scout AI, follows protocols, sees what he sees and if it's 'bad' he just marked rogue.

[glad spruce]

And ANNA is best

[wicked gorge]

Don’t disrespectful our home boi ISAC

Remember at your lowest who was actually in the dark zone with you

[weak forge]

Any chance they are likely to save the defeat of the black tusk for div 3?

[torn shoal]

i dont think so, they would rather create new factions entirely

[wicked gorge]

We’ll get the red tusk, orange tusk, grey tusk, teal tusk, etc

[torn shoal]

the husk tusk

[whole quiver]

If people are aware of this great but I have seen very little discussion about it so I'm gunna hype it.
We are getting a Division TTRPG. The Kickstarter is starting MAY 12TH and Thomas Parrott, author of the Division novels, is involved.
Make sure to go look it up and give them some support. This is looking SUPER cool.
You can go ahead and get the quick start guide and read about how it works now.

[torn shoal]

do they have licence rights ?

if they do thats awesome

[frosty bluff]

They have a quickstart manual out right now if people want to take a look and start thinking up their characters (end of the manual has character sheets --but no blank ones). Also, I believe the ttrpg extends for the entire Division universe from NYC to DC since they introduce the stories in both areas

[versed cobalt]

hunters as the main faction would be interesting

[torn shoal]

hunters cant be a main faction, they are supposed to be rarer than div agents

a faction need to be a big number to be a threat in the streets, and send endless waves of meat at our guns

[versed cobalt]

i mean we don't really know how many hunters there are

plus it's not like we would be fighting a squad of them maybe a squad headed by a hunter or something

but who knows

[torn shoal]

we do know it's way less than div agents, they are a safe guard, not another army

that's why we fight so few of them

[versed cobalt]

can't a guy just want to fight hunters

[torn shoal]

yes, but making a whole flegged faction id another deal

we already got Hunters at home

[versed cobalt]

dammit i wanna fight more hunters the ones at home runaway when i shoot at them

[torn shoal]

try thoses at countdown

[versed cobalt]

i have and they don't live up to the challenge

[torn shoal]

go fight jhonson then

or go become one

[shy comet]

A hunter-focused division spinoff where you play as the hunters would be awesome

[torn shoal]

ubisoft isnt the type of studio that do "bad guy" pov

im mixed between "its sad they dont try it" and "its good THEY dont try it" tho

[late void]

Didn't they literally make a dlc for far cry 6 that lets you play the villains from the previous games?

[sick lantern]

assassin's creed: rogue

[shy comet]

And they don't have to be bad guys yk? It could be about stopping actually rogue agents and stuff

It would be cooler if there was some antihero energy or smth in one of the division games tho tbf

[sick lantern]

the problem is that Hunters only implicitly hunt rogues off screen and usually just kill non rogues from the player perspective

[shy comet]

Fair enough

[sick lantern]

I guess the Hunter was there during the Schaeffer manhunt but he put more energy into killing the Sheriff lol

[frosty spoke]

Play as a Hunter with Johnson's like mindset

Or something like that

You can even do the same story flow. Start the story before Division went against McManus

[sick lantern]

the Division never went against McManus, McManus went against the Division

[torn shoal]

didnt play it and as far as i see not many people did play it at all so, not looking good

[tepid ibex]

hell yeah, loved the expansion of lore for Joseph and the “what if” scenarios they showed

[wicked gorge]

Assassins creed rogue 👀

[wicked gorge]

Yes but on a technicality they show how f***ed they’re psyche is and paints them as more human than generic bad guys

[ashen jungle]

That's just how you write characters. You aren't going to sympathise with someone if they have absolutely no redeeming qualities.

There's an old writing tip, where you write someone to be interesting, by giving them a flaw for every positive trait they have.

[wicked gorge]

Tbf that’s what made old vaas so interesting

Vaas was just an complete psychopath
Pagen min was actually the right choice and better than the two paths
Joseph was right in the end

[ashen jungle]

I would love to see how this relates to div lore.

[wicked gorge]

since assassins creed is in the universe as a video game, the far cry games are likely a game

Except 5 since that came out in 2018

[frosty bluff]

Wha?

[ashen jungle]

You get used to people talking nonsense in this channel.
Just wait until someone tries to say how much they think the Outcasts are still sympathetic.

[wicked gorge]

Ahem

They are

[torn shoal]

wwhen i think about that i remind myself that in spec ops the line, walker has litterally 0 redeeming qualities, but thats not obvious at first we only understand it at the end thinking of all the things we done in the story, so its not mandatory to make ur character likable in the end

[ashen jungle]

You can add "when it's well written" in my message somewhere, it was implied.

[torn shoal]

well written character are not that common anyway, its kinda sad that in video games we get usually the worst kind of writing and people consider it peak

there are so few games that are actually well written nowadays

[ashen jungle]

I disagree and not the point I was making.
but regardless this is unrelated to div now so let's end it here.

[vague bear]

?? Lmao

[shy comet]

It would be cool if the central park dlc was an assassins creed type game mode where you play as the hunter

Ofc I doubt that'll happen

[peak coyote]

Thatt would been cool if it start level win in cod 7 w bart simpson skins for 89.99

Grammars off

[sleek plover]

what would sam fisher be doing rn?

[ashen jungle]

The other "tom clancy" games aren't canon for div, so idk, maybe Yoga? He seems like he needs it.

[subtle terrace]

Sam Fisher is canon in Ghost Recon btw.

Theres even specialization based on Splinter Cell and meeting Sam Fisher himself as part of a mission in Ghost Recon Breakpoint.

[sick lantern]

flying around in his plane i guess? that's what Far Cry thought

[sleek plover]

Huh, I thought he was Fishing

[autumn island]

Either A. Dead, B. With Sarah. C. Possibly working with the remaining legs of the government

[sleek plover]

C is probably all hunters now

[autumn island]

Could be training hunters

I'd say a mixture of B and C, since he has Sarah still, maybe

[sleek plover]

so he became evil

[autumn island]

Mcmanus gave him a ultimatum, keep his daughter safe in government bunkers, or... yknow, stay outside

[torn shoal]

any other franchise in div would just be dead as 90% of pop is gone from the virus itself

[lilac elk]

@signal hatch can there be a 10x xp for division 2 this season

[torn shoal]

not the right chan, not the right person, also the season is already mapped out, also dont ask that lol

[subtle terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds0ypFpbRFE Minute 35:36

I was right about Lewis and about a hundred or so True Sons defected but funnily enough never mentioned during the entire of Mutiny season.

[wicked gorge]

Rip Lewis, was a real one

[sick verge]

he really wasn't

[torn shoal]

he saved us and shaeffer

[sick verge]

He's as much of a real one as keener

[wicked gorge]

Well Keener was right and he’s been there for us

[subtle terrace]

Tbh I missed the whole Mutiny season so I didnt get the chance to experience the NPC companion system. From what I've seen there could be improvements obviously but overall it worked out great. So I just wish in the future we can bring named NPCs as companion. Bro imagine having Keener, Theo, and Kelso in one team.

Or having Keener, Theo, and Schaeffer.

[autumn citrus]

I wanted a hound.

[subtle terrace]

That one also good yeah.

Dibs on Buddy and Lucy.

[glad spruce]

He died preventing Black Tusk from killing Schaeffer

So, please buzz off with your close-mindedness.

[ashen jungle]

Saved Schaeffer vs helped murder the POTUS.
fair trade?

[sleek plover]

Once a true son, always a true son.

I don't mourn him.

Lewis and the rest of the defectors can go to hell

[glad spruce]

Getting tired of your sanctimonius BS

You think you're so flawless and perfect, but YOU. ARE. NOT.

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce You've been warned before about your attitude. I'm putting you on a time-out. Take a break for a while after it's over from the server.

[sick verge]

Sorry if I don't feel like forgiving the chemical mortar guy bc he started gaining a conscious. Same for Wally and Adler

I'm not gonna deny the good acts they did. but that don't make up for all the bad

[maiden bay]

Muting a guy in a lore channel is crazy worn

[ashen jungle]

People are muted all the time for a bunch of different reasons.

[sick lantern]

crazier than rocking up with the mpreg server tag?

[maiden bay]

Not really it’s a discord tag

[subtle terrace]

Lol I always thought people would get muted over heated argument in #ask-td2-community or #td2-build-advice

Didnt expect it to be here out of all places.

[wicked gorge]

I mean Hawkster is in the right honestly

[sick lantern]

no, he's not, he's been told time and time again that he's obnoxious to talk to and makes things unnecessarily hostile, even by people on other servers

[ashen jungle]

Okay folks, that's enough. Back to the lore talk now.

[surreal hearth]

One of the NSA analysts was pissed about McManus as she whistled at Vivian over the situation. Apparently, McManus was to blame in allowing the outbreak to happen but because he’s extremely well connected he won’t be convinced of any crime for terrorism while Vivian was clueless and unaware of being a division agent

[glad spruce]

Manhunt: Rise Up - Comm#5 - Pendulums

||Manny Ortega calls his girlfriend, Mari Singh, to let her know he won't be able to visit her due to the rapid Black Tusk raids that's been happening across Washington, D.C.||

||Manny himself is distressed, trying to figure out if those attacks are just random chaos, if there's any connection between what Black Tusk's doing, reports of missing agents, and so on, so Mari anchors him and reminds him to take a break.||

||Despite some apprehension, Manny agrees to take a break, aware that he can't fix everything.||

[sinful mauve]

||missing Agents are the new hint||

[subtle terrace]

Wheres the 2nd, and 3rd?

[autumn island]

Back scroll up

[sleek plover]

Yeah Im not.

I sympathize with rioters adn outcasts for crying out loud

[deft dagger]

Honestly I love the Outcasts. Doesn’t excuse what they did of course but you can understand the reasonings behind it unlike with the hyenas.

[sleek plover]

Im just a guy who really hates LMB, Black Tusks, True Sons and slightly cleaners.

Never really considered myself holier than thou.

[wicked gorge]

So the True Sons who defected and helped us are still bad in your book?

[shy comet]

I feel I sympathize with the Cleaners and the True Sons the most

[deft dagger]

The true sons?

[shy comet]

Yeah... not the best people but they know what they're doing

[deft dagger]

I can get behind the point with the cleaners too. They are smart af ngl

For someone that isn’t a PMC like the Lmb or true sons

[wicked gorge]

They’re more of a milita

[shy comet]

Tbf if I had to choose any faction to join other than the division I'd join the Black Tusk and sabotage them and become a defector

[deft dagger]

*black tusk, my bad. Brain ain’t working

[deft dagger]

My immune system is terrible af so realistically speaking I’m gonna be an outcast 💀🥀

[shy comet]

😂😭

Yeah realistically I'd already be dead from the green poison

[wicked gorge]

Pretty ironic considering they’re leader has the strongest immune system

[deft dagger]

I’d join the LMB just for the fit

[wicked gorge]

I drank from the garden hose as a kid so I think I would be fine

[shy comet]

🤣

[deft dagger]

Would keep you safe even from the eclipse variant

[wicked gorge]

That and the flint stone vitamin gummy I took when I was 9

[stoic ridge]

Black Tusk lore wise has so much potential

They're pretty much the central antagonists of The Division, greatly overshadowing Keener, and if something happens in the world, they probably have had something to do with it.

[obsidian jay]

( Asides from being manipulated very easily post Ferro )

[tepid ibex]

Hmu with that Tier 3 Squad Leader drip 🥶

[tepid ibex]

For some reason, I do believe he would say yes to that. Just a hunch

[deft dagger]

Real af

[wicked gorge]

Shocking if he didn’t

[torn shoal]

I love how people will love any bad guy no matter what they do if they are just showed cute images of them doing the war crimes, it didnt start with div, wont stop here

ans they will tell u they are not even compliczted they are just plain 100% good with no flaws

[shy comet]

W Keener

[elder merlin]

I stopped caring about the story when my agent shook hands with Keener. The same Keener who used Eclipse virus to bomb the town hall in NY, killing civilians and JTF, tried to launch an even bigger biological attack, is both directly and indirectly responsible for countless deaths through his action, and single-handedly caused the collapse of the First Wave.

[obsidian jay]

same guy who blew up our helicopter in div1 btw

[elder merlin]

Honestly, I forgot about that. I get we have bigger fish to fry, but when all is said and done, Keener is 100% being executed for all the shit he's done.

[mellow herald]

thats how i envision my agent sees it. yeah he's useful n all now, cool, but when the opportunity presents itself, he's gonna have to go

[wicked gorge]

W keener

[wicked gorge]

You’re technically right since the Black Tusk had some knowledge of the outbreak beforehand

[sleek plover]

Oh definitely

Wally included

[sleek plover]

Yes.

[torn shoal]

dont talk smack about ma boi wally

im a wally enjoyer

[late sphinx]

I had to look at a video explaining everything cause after doing the manhunts i was insanely confused about when does new york happen… and then even more so.

[sleek plover]

Once a true son..

[torn shoal]

bad logic to have, people can change, also people can be misled, thats the whole point of propaganda the factions are doing

[torn shoal]

ny dlc happens before every manhunt

[wicked gorge]

Once an outcast

[deft dagger]

Agreed. Pasts do not always define us. What defines us is who are today and tomorrow

[sleek plover]

Sins of oppression and tyranny are not the kind that can be washed away

[late void]

Jacobin is something of an extremist, or likes to role-play one in here. Not worth getting upset over their views.

[wicked gorge]

Redemption is a beautiful thing honestly, especially in scenarios like the division without laws or structure

[sick lantern]

how's keener actually redeemed himself anyway i forgot

he drove around in a van and got locked in a cell

are we taking "activating ANNA" to be his redemption arc

[deft dagger]

He and Schaeffer kind of worked together to make our current situation possible

[sick lantern]

wasn't it Lau working with Schaeffer though

[deft dagger]

Keener took a major part in it

[torn shoal]

they are, otherwise people would be murdering everyone all the time at the slightest fault

[wicked gorge]

Without Keener we be f**kee

[sick lantern]

and with Keener we were

[torn shoal]

even the worst of crimes can be redeemed IF u are looking to redeem yourself

remember, everyone CAN be redeemed, but most people dont want to

[wicked gorge]

You know Lyfe, we don’t see eye to eye much but respect

[sick lantern]

he turned on ANNA to fight the Black Tusk or whatever but fighting the Black Tusk also helps save his own hide, he hasn't earned forgiveness for the evil stuff he did so far

[torn shoal]

i know why people think the opposite way, most people dont want to be redeemed, cause it require effort, forgiveness, admitting u were wrong and did awful things

but if u apply the logic that people cant change, cant be redeemed, then why even bother making the world a better place, just execute people at the slightest mistake they make

most people do what they do cause of their circumstances, outcasts didnt chose to kill all thoses people from nowhere

if u take thoses people back into a normal world, they wouldnt be mass murderers

[wicked gorge]

Me personally, Manny and Schaffer have committed war crimes by confiscating Keeners Cherry Whiskey and should be released

[sick lantern]

be angry at quarantine
true sons, perpetrators of the quarantine, are right there
start waging war on the innocent populace as well
that's not circumstance

[torn shoal]

i dont even know what it takes like and im alreadythinking we should put down people who like that stuff

true sons didnt make the quarantine, they arent soldiers, they are a militia

the gov made that island quarantine, you can go all day blaming "its the gov not the people" but the people let it happen and elected that gov, even if a guy personnally disagreed and voted against, as a whole they bear responsibility

the outcast are wrong, cause revenge isnt justice, but justice doesnt exist, so revenge it is

[sick lantern]

the JTF that would become the TS under Ridgeway enforced it and under Ridgeway, diverted supplies away from the quarantine, leaving those who would become the Outcasts to suffer

as in the found footage video that's been in the game since launch

[sick lantern]

the people bear responsibility for voting in elections before the outbreak... christ, what a vile thing to say

[wicked gorge]

So what about the people who migrated to DC after the outbreak and quarantine? Are they consider supporters of the Quarantine

[sick lantern]

by Outcast logic? yes

[wicked gorge]

Imagine punishing a jtf guy for bringing you supplies and not knowing what’s happening in DC

[sick lantern]

funny/similar point: at the start of The Division: Recruited, the Outcasts attack the Athena settlement which is just a poorly armed community that isn't even in DC

the Outcasts are nothing but hypocrites

[torn shoal]

u guys act like the justice system was still in place and respected or ever worked in the first place when you're on the wrong side of the fence

just cause the outcasts are wrong doesnt mean their victims are innocent

(not) fun fact, the people usually responsible for things going super bad stay protected behind thoses soldiers saying "its like it take it or leave it" before claiming thats how justice works (especially true sons/lmb/black tusk)

so, what choice do they have left, beside fkin sht up

u cant ask for peace if u dont have justice, always

[sick lantern]

yes they literally are they had nothing to do with it

[wicked gorge]

So out of curiosity, does that give the outcast the right to target children?

[sick lantern]

the people of DC weren't rallying and saying "quarantine everyone, steal their supplies, and while you're at it, become a rogue militia and kill us too"

[torn shoal]

never said anything close to that

[wicked gorge]

Well your saying that everyone is essentially guilty for voting for the government that enforced the quarantine, not to mention that the outcast have infected animals with green poison and released them onto a kindergarten. Hell there’s a comn where the outcast have kidnapped a teen from the Campus and tortured her

[torn shoal]

im not saying everyone is guilty and should be executed by the outcast, im saying nobody is innocent, even if the outcast are wrong for doing that

[sick lantern]

people ARE innocent, that's just disgusting

"im not saying everyone is guilty, but im saying nobody is innocent" that's contradictory

[torn shoal]

there is a world of difference between "people are bad" and "peopel shoudl be executed for any mistake"

i also said everyone can be redeemed btw

[wicked gorge]

Kelso said it best, Emilee could have used her position to help the outcast but she chose her rage and pain to hurt others

[torn shoal]

yes

but thats what circumstances do, they change people, for better or worse, and in her case, for worse

if u take all the outcast into a normal society, they wont become mass murderers

people didnt have to die from outcast, but outcasts didnt have to suffer and die either, people created outcasts, now they want revenge, thats expected since justice is non existent

[sick lantern]

the average citizen had nothing to do with the creation of the outcasts

[torn shoal]

if u want peace u need to get justice first, you cant have the first without the 2nd

and the average outcast didnt have anything to do with random murders across the map, yet here we are

[sick lantern]

yes they literally do they send out SUICIDE BOMBERS into the city???????

[torn shoal]

it goes both ways, they are still human, including the worst parts

[sick lantern]

the outcasts are a death cult

[torn shoal]

the average outcast alive isnt a suicide bomber btw

[sick lantern]

^

[wicked gorge]

Reminder that the elites do set themselves on fire before rushing at you

[torn shoal]

cult dont exist in a vacuum, it was created, by gov when they made this island

[sick lantern]

you just have to be trolling at this point, the average member of the "let's spread the virus and kill people" faction doesn't want to kill people

[torn shoal]

u think the "lets put sick people to die and suffer on a quanratine island is good tho ?

[sick lantern]

as i said before, the outcasts are targeting innocent people instead of the perpetrators

[torn shoal]

which one is better, sending people to die cause u scared of becoming sick, or killing people for sending people to die without leaving them a chance to try

[deft dagger]

I agree on this. They succumbed to their delusion and ended up attacking everyone

[torn shoal]

outcast fight all factions, dont pretend they only target babies

[deft dagger]

Whilst they should have targeted the true sons, ridgeway and those generally responsible for the Roosevelt island incident

[torn shoal]

they also target true sons

[wicked gorge]

^

[torn shoal]

but they target jtf for a good reason, jtf created them

[wicked gorge]

This wouldn’t have happened if my glorious king Keener was there

[torn shoal]

u can always say "yeah but the bad jtf split up and joined true sons", but im not sure if u were on that island and survive u would check personnally each member of jtf and true sons to verify this claim, when all the other jtf member did nothing to stop thoses anyway

[deft dagger]

YEAAAAAH DAB ME UP. The K in Keener stands for King

[wicked gorge]

YASSS QUEEN, FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

[deft dagger]

He’s my favorite character next to Bardon Schaeffer

[wicked gorge]

So strapping makeshift suicide vest on, Targeting civilian population that are just trying to survive and protect their families, use psychological warfare and biological warfare techniques is their Justice

Ironic their stronghold is directly across from the True Sons

[deft dagger]

Not to forget what they did on Kenley College (if I pronounced it right) OR what they did whilst under Hornet’s command

[wicked gorge]

Yeah that was with the eclipse, also what faction has only used dirty bombs?

[sick lantern]

that was Rowan O'Shea in The Division: Recruited; she was using the Outcasts as mooks

[torn shoal]

its not their justice, its their revenge, cause justice doesnt exist

[sick lantern]

it's not revege either cus they're not targeting the perpetrators

[torn shoal]

revenge doesnt have to target true sons specifically, since jtf is also guilty, so are bt

[sick lantern]

the JTF is guilty of the mutinous commander who made the quarantine harsher, executed JTF members and officers...

[wicked gorge]

Well still, they could have walked away even if it means dying. Them staying meant they were all in , not to mention they tracked down Maria and co after Leo got sick and killed the family they stayed with

I haven’t read the novel in a long time so I do t remember if they knew or not about the bomb

[torn shoal]

im sure after being tortured for eternity by faceless people with only a badge ud stop before shooting anything to check "is that the same guy or is it just his friend ?" lol

obv not, you'd shoot anything and everyone

outcast are humans like everyone else

if you tell people "just die and dont complain", u can be sure they will complain about it, violently

[sick lantern]

so the outcasts just collectively turned off their brains, didnt pay attention to the state of factions in the city and missed the huge split between the JTF and TS
because that makes total sense

[wicked gorge]

So let’s say on the hypothetical that people did speak out, the true sons are a majority of the jtf within the city so anyone that spoke out would probably be A thrown into the QZ and definitely gotten sick B shot on sight like the LMB did or C have their family detained until they probably enlist in the true sons after torture

[sick lantern]

remember when the true sons destroyed the castle with dc-62? almost as if the true sons' interests and allegiance aren't aligned with the people of dc

but nah, let's blame the people for existing i guess

just another fanfic take from lyfe, how many years has it been now?

[sleek plover]

The worldand humanity needs to be purified of its taint anyways

[sick lantern]

ok Amherst

[torn shoal]

i never said it would be easy or 100% sucess rate
but gov and other military count on people saying nothing and letting go so they can do whatever they want

if nobody says anything, nothing will change, if few people say anything, not much will change, if more people speak up, things do change

one person alone wont make a difference if they stay alone

[sick lantern]

the people of dc did speak up, they formed settlements, militias, and the true sons killed them for it

[torn shoal]

if you ally yourself with the people you speak up against, u aint speaking up against anything

[sick lantern]

what the settlements allied with the true sons now? that's news to me lmao

[sick lantern]

almost as if that's the opposite of what happened

[torn shoal]

u think jtf is better than true sons when they come from jtf in the first place ?

one bad apple spoils the bunch

[sick lantern]

yes, because the true sons are mutineers who murdered jtf staff on the way out and started oppressing the populace, establishing themselves as a completely different entity/group in terms of identity, politics, etc

[wicked gorge]

I was thinking cleaners

[sick lantern]

any JTF who is left is obviously not a true son for OBVIOUS REASONS

[wicked gorge]

Bro wdym? The castle was giving supplies to the true sons cause they threatened to bomb them and one of their leaders was a former true sons. They’re guilty

[sick lantern]

are we gonna arrest Manny for being as bad as the True Sons? yank him away from his fish tacos?

[torn shoal]

jtf guy seeing his buddies killing sick people for fun : "man thats cool, hope he doesnt do this to us next"
jtf guy killing sick people for fun : "i cant wait to do this to my buddies too"

funny how one is innocent of everything for some reason

but im sure he wont join his buddy killing innocent people after cause he didnt say anything while he saw him killing innocent people this entire time

very innocent behavior, much white knight in armor

[sick lantern]

"jtf guy seeing his buddies killing sick people for fun : "man thats cool, hope he doesnt do this to us next""
You say this as if the JTF were in 100% agreement with Ridgeway, which they weren't, the JTF literally threw him in jail

he broke out with his rebels and started killing people

[torn shoal]

"we the good guys, the bad guys all left magically cause they found something better, we cant have any more bad guys cause magic"

if u let the bad guys do this when u work with them, you're as bad, period

the worst part of injustice, isnt the crimes, its the people watching it happen and do nothing and then pretend they didnt see it coming when u call them out for it

[sick lantern]

lyfe you do know there's an ECHO in the game where the actions of the true sons cause a rift between soldiers, we very evidently see they didn't LET them do anything, they disagreed and sometimes violently

[torn shoal]

not only ur being hurt but you're also being told to shut up cause its not their fault since they were only watching it happen

[sick lantern]

as usual you're ignoring the actual events of the narrative to fit your own worldview

[torn shoal]

ah yes, the "rift", aka "i saw u killing enough people, 50 innocent sick patient was fine, but 51 was too much"

very innocent and white knight behavior

[deft dagger]

Let’s be fr the most innocent character is Natalya Sokolova /j

[sick lantern]

nice fanfic

[torn shoal]

so much a fanfic the settlements in ny refuse to work with jtf now, thats how bad it got

they got peacekeepers instead cause jtf cant be trusted

[sick lantern]

a completely different group in a different city in a different state

[wicked gorge]

Devious side eye

You clearly haven’t met the dog at the campus and haven

[torn shoal]

jtf in ny is jtf in washinton

u can keep dreaming its a different country lol

[sick lantern]

source?

[torn shoal]

its from the same country and gov ?

[sick lantern]

what's the canonical basis for the different branches of the JTF sharing equipment, personnel, etc

what's the canonical basis for Ridgeway influencing the situation in NYC or Benitez the situation in DC or etc

give me a citation, if what you're saying is true there'll be an ECHO, phone call, anything, directly connecting the actions and methodologies of the two groups

[torn shoal]

are u going to pretend there are different jtf for different cities now ? they are also different shd for different cities ? different rogues ? different gov ?

next u gonna tell me the army isnt the same in ny and washington ? and then the national guard ? and they also have a different president ?

yeah, thats what i thought

[sick lantern]

yes, there are different national guard organisations in different states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_Guard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Division_of_Military_and_Naval_Affairs

and each state has a different governor

all in all representing different systems of power between the state and federal level

[wicked gorge]

Why do I feel like it’s about to get worse

[sick lantern]

this conversation or in universe?

[tepid ibex]

Maaaa the green and purple lore guys are arguing again

[wicked gorge]

Both, more real

[wicked gorge]

Don’t disrespect Thragg Keener

[tepid ibex]

Im talkin about lyfe and webkins, not everything is about you Kragg 😤

[wicked gorge]

Kinda hard SINCE WERE BOTH GREEN

[frosty bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid ibex]

Green is a mindset

[rotund wasp]

Is there anywhere I can kinda see what happened between stovepipe and Brooklyn?

I’ve been playing off an on since launch only really coming back for some of the events but now that the anniversary event came and it seems like Ubisoft is putting more thought into the universe I decided to come back permanently

I’ve been watching lore videos but I can’t find what happened between stovepipe and Brooklyn I’m about to do the final mission for Brooklyn when I get home just trying to figure it out

[frosty bluff]

You’ll probably have to find videos about them or read the Manhunt list on the Division wiki

[mellow herald]

my whole take with the Outcasts and True Sons/JTF is simply, do I see where they're coming from? yeah kind of. doesn't mean they're innocent, but i'd be lying if i said i wouldn't feel as angry as them if i was in their shoes

• their gripe with the civilians is simply that they didn't do anything to help those on Roosevelt Island, and in their mind, being a bystander is just as bad as pulling a trigger

[wicked gorge]

This is it everyone, this is the season that Keener will return

[sleek plover]

I do understand outcasts, but true sons?
They are basically "might makes right! power is all! Weak deserve to die!"

[deft dagger]

I hope so

[wicked gorge]

That or he’ll return for avengers doomsday

[deft dagger]

He’s my favorite avenger

[wicked gorge]

I gotta know, are you actually serious about the stuff you say about the true sons/LMB/ whatever or trying to rage bait ppl

[sleek plover]

I am serious.

Being hardcore leftist anarchist in real life and being burned by actual LMB loving troll(not savyur surprisingly) online badly changes people

[tepid ibex]

@wicked gorge sticking true to his word 5 years later dog, he aint trollin.

though i've toned down my toned down my LMB antics, i still loved them as a faction 8+ years ago. Jacobin's persistent hatred is admirable

and looking back at old chats....i think...i miss @gaunt ice

[deft dagger]

I guess it makes sense why you love the Rioters then…

[wicked gorge]

Damn, that was a good one

[wicked gorge]

I gotta give him props I guess for commuting to his ideals

[glad spruce]

I feel like an a-hole for being a jerk to Jacobin