division-universe

[obtuse chasm]

Wrong chat room buddy

#unofficial-troubleshooting go here

[sick verge]

So uhm. What's this season's premise? I feel like we just got thrown into it but we got absolutely nothing. Not even the season's trailer explains anything

[late void]

'Black Tusk angry'

[amber vault]

Makes sense considering their track record I would also be pissed

[torn shoal]

they def angy, I died from their death squad in retal

that spawn flanking me was nasty tbh

[frosty bluff]

I was kinda hoping they would add BTSU Team 9 to the Database

Like give a comm about the person while also giving a snitch card of sorts

[glad spruce]

They do have BTSU Team 9 comms

[frosty bluff]

I know that, its just that I feel that giving a descriptor of a person as just a comm feels out of place when they could've been a database card.

[waxen mortar]

was there a confirmed release date for crossplay or no?

[frosty bluff]

Not really

Sometime this year I believe they said. As to when.... dunno.

[waxen mortar]

not this month? i thought thats what they said a few weeks ago

[late void]

Nope, just this year

[waxen mortar]

dang

alright thank you

[sick verge]

Aren't they always?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, but this time, they sent BTSU Team 9, so we know they're serious lol

[torn shoal]

yeah cause btsu team 1 to 8 were kids in trenchcoat

[tepid ibex]

we dont talk about Team 10

[glad spruce]

A dud?!

[glad spruce]

If you know, you know

[autumn island]

How do we go rogue in the dz? We hit our brick for a bit and then isac turns us rogue???

Also why can we clear manhunt status outside of the dz, by a pc? (Outside of game reasons)

[glad spruce]

A Rogue Agent back in New York DZ managed to set up terminals to allow other agents to clear their manhunt status while in the area.

Fair to assume some rogues in D.C noticed the trend and used a similar approach with the DZs

[autumn island]

That makes sense, but in the anim for going rogue, we hit our bricks to go rogue, how does that work?

[torn shoal]

it was changed because before it was done by directly attacking non rogues so accidental friendly fire was making people rogue too often

it's a gameplay thing not lore accurate

[autumn island]

Ah alright, but its funny to think our agent hits the brick to bug out isac to think we're rogue

[sudden mortar]

I love how BTSU team 9 Is supposed be like noble team from halo or the task force 141 from modern warfare. Like, a small group that can probably destroy an entire military base by themselves.

[autumn island]

And then here comes the sheriff with their min maxed build

[pearl hollow]

IDK if you will have a field day with this, but I want to know about BTSU team 9. Who is team 9?

[ashen jungle]

@pearl hollow Run some BT Retaliations and have the Elite Kill Squad (team 9) spawn. They give you comms explaining their history.

[dawn stone]

Question who was the undermined guy in the new echo in the new classified could this be the cabal they mentioned?

[glad spruce]

No. From what we currently know, he sounds like a deranged Division agent gone Rogue, trying to find Directive 51's document as leverage to dismantle the Division.

The comm he leaves behind says as much about how he feels about the Division, and the Directive that activated us agents.

[dawn stone]

O that's cool

Wonder if he will come back in this game or the next

[frosty bluff]

Keener of DC

[autumn island]

Whats the new comm supposed to be about anyways? Just some weird one off?

[torn shoal]

im really gald descent coms now drop in retals, cause fk that mode

i will gladly farm thoses now, even if its buggy af and hopefully get an eagle bearer someday

[glad spruce]

The Manhunt or the Classified Assignment?

The CA comms, at least the last one and the ECHO, are part of a story arc.

For the Manhunt, it's basically going into what's going with the Division, JTF, civvies, and Black Tusk while the PMC is on the offensive

[glad spruce]

Whatever this unknown crazy man is from the Classified Assignment, it sounds like he went insane after learning more about Directive 51, seeing the Division as illegal.

I'm betting he wants to eradicate the Division, seeing it as the government's death squad, and the agents as mindless automatons who only follow orders.

[gilded gate]

Question I know d.z. stands for dark zone, but did the JTF really call the area the dark zone before they lost control and what would D.Z even stand for before they lost control?

[fossil sierra]

As far as I know, before collapse, D.Z. was just a Quarantine Zone, to isolate all the sick people from healthy ones.

[frosty bluff]

Except for Georgetown (Dark Zone West), where it was the polar opposite. Actually… isn’t that for all of the DZs in DC?

[torn shoal]

dz doesnt stand for dark zone in the start but for decontamination zone

it was the area most afflicted by green poison so they completely walled it off so that people wouldnt leave

[sick lantern]

they didn’t call it the dark zone before they lost control

[autumn island]

I feel like this season is a filler season

[glad spruce]

And I feel like you ask too many questions

[glad spruce]

It's week 1

[autumn island]

Sorry, I just need some story, I can wait like 8 more weeks

[dawn stone]

Just got the first comp in the manhunt do u think they are gonna bring aliens into the lore or is it just another nothing lead

[autumn island]

Nothing lead

[dawn stone]

Yeah probably

I actually can't tell how this season is gonna go

[ashen jungle]

It's the first week.

[dawn stone]

True

[glad spruce]

Manhunt: Rise Up - #1 - Unidentified

||Manny Ortega gets an unusual report from a concerned civilian (more like conspiracy nutjob, but I digress) about a UFO snatching vehicles at Arlington, asking him to dispatch Division agents to deal with the issue.||

||Despite Manny's sarcastic reply he'll get in touch with the Men in Black, the civilian conspiracy nutjob was surprised they migtht actually exist, adding more frustration.||

Would anyone mind if I summarize BTSU Team 9/Library of Congress comms?

[glad spruce]

BTSU Team 9 - #1 - Overview

||In a message to Natalya Sokolova, The Director gives his thoughts on creating a "high-speed, low-drag" rapid response team within the BTSU. ||

||The Director believes the organization could benefit from a small, unconventional unit capable of rapid infiltration through enemy-held territory, for missions involving disruption, sabotage, and psychological warfare.||

||Under The Director's oversight, such a unit could be an effective force multiplier, able to enhance BTSU's operations. ||

||Still, he argues that any member who would join the unit will require a particular psych profile. As such, he has personnel suggestions for a pilot program, which he dubbed BTSU Team Nine. And with Sokolova's approval, The Director can have the team operational within three months, and ready to deploy to any theater of operations that Nat would see fit.||

[neat parrot]

super interested in the library of congress comms thoughts, seems we could be diving a bit into the cabal.

[frosty bluff]

Hmm

||Either A: Nat is having her teams clear the roads to DC from Arlington, or B: Nat is in needs something from those cars, such as their parts or their materials||

||Hard to believe it would be A since most of the bridges to DC via Arlington are blownup, unless she's got lot of pontoon bridges at the ready...||

[sick lantern]

maybe they're back

[surreal hearth]

I just concluded one of the new classified assignments and found even more unknown than answers

[glad spruce]

Well, it is part one of a story arc, so there's that.

[surreal hearth]

But here’s what’s disturbed me aside from killing a fanatic true sons that tries to rewrite history of a authoritarianism for true sons. There was another person known as undefined that had the name Max.

This agent was originally trying to secure archive information so that America history doesn’t get destroyed by faction oppositions like the true sons that tried to do that failed miserably

The undefined person in question began going conspiracy theories about directive 51

[frosty bluff]

They're giving us a new Keener since Keener is locked up in a cell. Maybe we'll have NY Keener vs DC Keener in the future

[glad spruce]

I don't know if I'd say ||Max is DC Keener||

To me, he sounds like someone who completely lost it, and doesn't believe anything that's contrary to his beliefs, seeing them as lies and deceptions.

[ashen jungle]

Keener is a wall-street guy who thinks he's smarter than he is, he's a lot of things, but he is very much not a tin-foil hatter.

[sudden mortar]

Man they really want us to feel bad for destroying violet warhound.

[ashen jungle]

If you want someone to feel bad for killing a robot, make it look more like a dog, or give it a cute hat.

both can work, but can also make it look like a demon.

[sick verge]

I mean it barked. That's something

.....hey so what if we just let the houndsman's mini warhounds bark

[ashen jungle]

I'm waiting for one to have a wagging tail.

[sick verge]

Grant is not gonna be happy with us about killing violet tho

In his eyes we killed his dog. Now idk about you. But a cleaner with natalya's favor pulling a john wick on us does kinda scare me

[ashen jungle]

It woul;d be more threatening if Cleaners didn't walk around with a giant red explosive device strapped to their back and/or hips.

Outcast heavies were smart enough to paint theirs at least.

[sick verge]

Hey now. There is the occasional cleaner tank that has non red fuel tanks. Sometimes they're yellow or green.

Or just not there at all

[tepid ibex]

When you dont have a gun to shoot said red explosive device, they’re mighty intimidating. Like in the Div 1 Factions Trailer showing the person hiding behind shelves and the Tank finds her. Such a thing could induce brown pants.

[rustic plover]

How is the world outside of the united states?

[frosty spoke]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[rustic plover]

thanks

[sleek plover]

"It all began when little Natalya Sokolova couldn't get a gold bar for her 7th birthday. Ever since than, she vowed to take over the world."

[olive robin]

im new to this game but i feel like the community is kinda good and supportive.

[sleek plover]

poke

[stuck sinew]

How find these audios?

[glad spruce]

You need to defeat BTSU Team 9 whenever they appear in Retals

[stuck sinew]

Tks

[obtuse galleon]

The hottest man in the division franchise

[sick verge]

Nah no way. That title belongs to Joe Ferro

[tame pivot]

Who's in charge of True Sons now? Sokolova?

[frosty bluff]

Division-loyal True Sons - Manny Ortega/Lieutenant Adkins

True Sons remnants - Unknown

Probably just any officers/NCOs leading their small bands like Sgt. Sawyer at the Library of Congress

[tame pivot]

Got it. I thought they would've disbanded by now.

[obtuse galleon]

I don't rmb Joe having a face

[sick verge]

It was a pun. "Hottest" man.

That said I guess Wright would then technically be the hottest huh

[obtuse galleon]

I guess you're wright

[sick verge]

Nah we just having an LMB situation rn. When we killed Bliss we also thought they'd disband but it just created a bunch of individual groups like the one we see in falcon lost.

[sick verge]

Gotta love a man with a burning passion

[thorn trellis]

Im writing a fan fiction of the division

[thorn trellis]

Who can put me in touch with whoever controls the division franchise

[sick verge]

No one

[thorn trellis]

There's always someone lol

[tepid ibex]

Apply at Massive Entertainment, get accepted, work your way up the ladder, then after so many years they may consider your lore addition to the franchise.

[thorn trellis]

Lol good advice but that doesn't make sense since there's fanfiction novels based around the division

Recent as well I might add

[tepid ibex]

Well you can write fanfic novels too, but why do you wanna be put in touch with whoever controls the franchise lol

[glad spruce]

Probably for approval?

But you don't need the narrative team's consent to write a fanfic

[thorn trellis]

Legal reasons and as stated approval especially if the fanfic is conical to the lore ya know

[ashen jungle]

Just for the record: there is 0 chance your fanfic will make it into the lore, and anyone who could somehow make that happen, likely can not legally speak to you anyway.

[tepid ibex]

yeah so you dont need approval, but you just cant do fan fic in here. this is just for canonical lore

[ashen jungle]

Wanting to contact the devs feels more like they're trying to get paid for something.
but regardless: we do have to block off fanfics being posted here, as it quickly turned into walls of text and angry replies before.

[torn shoal]

there is no légal reasons to contact devs, u can write anything u want in a fanfic and sell it, you just cant call it division franchise directly, or u can distribute it for free, and in that case there are no rules on naming

in both cases no contacting devs, and no posting that fanfic here

[ashen jungle]

They've already been told twice, you don't need to keep repeating the same information.

[torn shoal]

I was more talking about why it's legal or not and the selling

[thorn trellis]

@ashen jungle lol 0 chance is good enough 🤣 trust me im sure those who wrote novels were told the same but there's novels

[thorn trellis]

Noones putting anything in here just a question lol

[torn shoal]

better safe than sorry

[torn shoal]

actually no, most novel writers are told to write for the pleasure they get from it, not to expect people to read it

[thorn trellis]

Mhmm

[torn shoal]

lot of people write fanfic, and its a good thing, people read it, just not on this server

[thorn trellis]

Ok noone asked if anyone wanted to read it here so why continue to say that

[torn shoal]

cause its a common mistake people make

and as i said, better safe than sorry

[thorn trellis]

You repeating yourself

[torn shoal]

thats what "as i said" mean

[thorn trellis]

Lol

I've written books and published them

[torn shoal]

ok ?

[thorn trellis]

😂

[ashen jungle]

The div2 novels are officially liscenced and funded by Ubisoft. They weren't fanfics that someone sent in after they were written.

As I said before, your fanfic is not going to become official canon.

This conversation has gone on long enough, back to the lore talk now.

[autumn island]

where do we get all of our shd tech? like, we're using seeker mines alot, and we still have a surplus

[ashen jungle]

Nanomachines, son.

[autumn island]

Wait, you mean when ever one explodes, we just reuse the same one because of nanomachines fixing it internally? Like the drone and reviver hive?

[ashen jungle]

Nah just a joke about video-game mechanics vs lore talk.
I think the honest answer is that it's a gameplay vs lore thing.

Like how injuries to agents are permanent, but we are somehow not missing an eye, or deaf, etc.

[obtuse galleon]

Yea if Yves if your homie no prob

Is*

[sick lantern]

something like caches pre-prepared throughout the country that are retrieved when the SHD is activated, both whatever the agents have alongside their other gear (guns, brick, lenses etc hidden pre-activation) and seperate dedicated caches in a more "communal" cache such as seen in The Division: {iirc} Recruited

plus, whatever is sent from SHD Cores or other infrastructure to where it's needed (namely supply drops, drone delivery is also used in The Division: Compromised)

[autumn island]

wait you mean we get delievered more gear? from like underground factories, or do we just make them ourselves?

[sick lantern]

supply drops are explicitly said to be Division gear, Faye Lau says as much (the div 1 DZ ones at least)

[thorn trellis]

Because you know so much... get dismissed

[ashen jungle]

@thorn trellis You've been told to move on from this already, I'd suggest you do so.

[thorn trellis]

Lore and story elements are heavily driven by the game's development team, Massive Entertainment. They sometimes include community members or hold contests related to the game's lore,, particularly with new expansions like Battle for Brooklyn.

[ashen jungle]

Tell you what, if I read that a fanfic writer from AO3 is the new lead lore writer for div3, I will give you a salute emote.

But regardless: this is not the purpose of this channel. We are here to discuss the lore of this franchise. Not to network job applicaitons.
So move along with it.

[thorn trellis]

Keener's character has been a point of contention, with some fans feeling his storyline has been mishandled.

[ashen jungle]

If that's your pitch for getting a job at MSV, you really need to come up with something more original.

About half of all comments in this channel are "keener sux now".

The other half want to date him.

[thorn trellis]

Yawn

Always that one mod who's never satisfied with the world they inhabit

[weak forge]

Did we have new descent comms with new season drop last week?

[thorn trellis]

No

[ashen jungle]

@weak forge Nope, still 105.
although you can get them in Retaliation now.

[thorn trellis]

There isnt any plans for it

[weak forge]

Oh?

[thorn trellis]

Maybe bc it bombed

Haha

Pts had decent comms. Safe to say that retaliation will have decent comms in it

[ashen jungle]

This season is live, we already know they do.

and I just said above they do.

[thorn trellis]

Did someone not have tea today

[glad spruce]

Man, this week's Manhunt comm really got some people jumpy.

Like, no, there's no aliens happening in the Division.

It's just some conspiracy nutjob who very likely saw Black Tusk snatching up vehicles with some sort of prototype aircraft, and thought they were UFOs

[weak forge]

Wait what? 😂

Also now that resurgence is out I been meaning to ask, how does it fit into the storyline? Is it at the start of the division 1?

[glad spruce]

Prologue is during the first month of the week.

The storyline itself is set between Division 1 and 2

[glad spruce]

https://youtu.be/gVxlYry6y-s?si=RyfpQEoZnP1UL9zs

[torn shoal]

why not both ? i can fix him energy

[thorn trellis]

I mean was he really that bad lol

[glad spruce]

He used Eclipse Virus.

So, as far as other people were concerned, that makes him bad, even if we have worse enemeis to contend with like Nat and Cal.

[torn shoal]

he was mostly retconned, so not anymore

but even with the retcon that still a bad person that would do anything to get to their goal, we just gotta hope his goal matches ours

if i was in charge he'd rot in prison forever, the end of the world isnt a good enough justification for what he did, just cause its bad out there doesnt mean we gotta do even worse

[thorn trellis]

True

[torn shoal]

with a justification like that u could nuke half the country where bt is and just say "well its that or they do it where we are"

[thorn trellis]

How different is keeners ideology from Amherst though.

Kinda mirrors it imo

[torn shoal]

not really

amerst just wanted pure destruction and death, claiming humans werent good enough for this planet

keener wants his side to win by any means necessary, which is def not the same cause amerst had no sides

[thorn trellis]

Yeah thats why I said kinda. Not entirely mirroring

Amherst was a fanatic driven by a desire for global reset, while Keener was a pragmatist driven by disillusionment and the desire for control.

[torn shoal]

thats not what mirroring means

[thorn trellis]

Both see the destruction of the current civilization as necessary

[torn shoal]

no, keener doesnt want to destroy current civ

[thorn trellis]

Both are comfortable with massive loss of life to achieve their goals.

Its the systems keener wants to reshape

[torn shoal]

wrong again, massive loss of life was the goal of amerst, not a means to an end

[thorn trellis]

Lol

[torn shoal]

and keener wants to avoid massive loss of life if he can

[thorn trellis]

Explain?

[torn shoal]

he doesnt kill people for fun ?

his goal is to restore peace and stability, not murder everyone who disagree with him

[thorn trellis]

Neither did Amherst

[torn shoal]

no, amerst def wanted massive amount of people dying

[thorn trellis]

But it wasn't for fun

[torn shoal]

he litterally said for him humans dont deserve to live

[thorn trellis]

His ideology stems from fractured systems in the world and how humanity itself impacts those systems

[torn shoal]

no, his ideology stems from hating human kind

there is no logical path from "planet is hurt" to "we should kill all humans"

[thorn trellis]

Therefore he wanted to reset humanity

[torn shoal]

not that either

[thorn trellis]

Ok

So he didn't think the world needed culling

Just kill ever last human

[torn shoal]

i mean at some point i gotta just think to myself u aint even reading what i wrote

did u play div 1 ?

[thorn trellis]

Gordon Amherst viewed the world as severely overpopulated and ruined by humanity. He created the "Green Poison" virus to force natural selection, believing that a 90% fatality rate was necessary to let nature recover and allow only the strongest to survive.

[torn shoal]

i guess copy pasting the wiki is good enough

[thorn trellis]

Crazy

Did you even play the game. In the opening scene it literally tells

[torn shoal]

for someone claming u wrote and published book, you're not that good at reading lore and keeping up

[thorn trellis]

i don't remember them saying that Amherst was working with a terrorist group or something, it seemed that he did all the work by himself.

[torn shoal]

yeah i havent said that either

[thorn trellis]

Lol ok

[torn shoal]

my advice : dont use chatgpt

[thorn trellis]

Good to know

Quick to insult and have an attitude 🙂

I have better conversations on reddit

😆

[torn shoal]

im sure u do, but i didnt insult you, and i simply match the attitude i receive

on that note, feel free to not talk to me, i'll block u anyway

[thorn trellis]

Same

[ashen jungle]

You two done?

[thorn trellis]

Did you know

An alternate timeline Gordon Amherst is referenced in Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Dragonfire, to which Gordon was stopped before he could carry out his bioterrorism act

[bright snow]

Of course there is - it's called ecofascism.

[thorn trellis]

He doesn't understand that word

[torn shoal]

i said "logical", which isnt the case for that

the logical answer goes in a much different direction

[thorn trellis]

To Amherst it's logical

Truly a Agent that one is

[bright snow]

There is a distinct logic. Now is it moral and/ or does it coincide with your ethics, that's a whole other thing. But there is a surefire logic where humanity is mostly to blame for the suffering of the Earth.

[ashen jungle]

"mostly".

[bright snow]

You could say "exclusively" but I'm being generous here.

[torn shoal]

its irrefutably false logic tho, been proven false time and time again, if ur logic is false, its not logic

[ashen jungle]

Regardless, Amherst's goal was population reduction to halt irreversible dmage being done.

[bright snow]

How is it false logic?

[torn shoal]

because it lack so many data points

for example linking planet dying to humans with a single thread is just fully misleading, there are so many threads that are entangled with almost every other thread

[ashen jungle]

Extremists for a cause rarely take every option into consideration.

[thorn trellis]

Exactly but he didn't do it to just kill all.humans just bc

[torn shoal]

and yes as rivens says, amerst didnt care about pushing the logic to a sound conclusion, he was just hating mankind with passion

[thorn trellis]

Thats what it seemed like lyfe was saying.

[torn shoal]

the "ecoterrorism" was just the way to express that

[ashen jungle]

I doubt many are saying that he wanted to kill "all" humans.
The goal was about 90% for a start. Which is why he made the virus imperfect.

And why he didn't make himself immune.

[thorn trellis]

I dont think he had a chance

[torn shoal]

yeah he wanted to kill as many humans as possible and let nature decide who lives

[bright snow]

Wait what. Humanity is the primary reason for climate change?

[ashen jungle]

It was a deliberate decision, it's mentioned in div1.

[torn shoal]

well no, thats a very huge shortcut, but it dwelves into politics, which we dont talk about here

[thorn trellis]

Thats why I said the systems which implicats more than the one factor

[ashen jungle]

When you find his body in that apartment at the end of div1, it's all laid out fairly simply for you.
I'd recommend going through the campaign, again if you haven't before.

[bright snow]

I see, I didn't know that part.

[thorn trellis]

Its been a while but yes I recall that

[torn shoal]

long story short, humans existed for thousands of years, planet was fine, its only recently its been going bad, so humanity in itself isnt the problem here

[bright snow]

Unfortunately I can not continue this conversation since it's very political in its essence.

[torn shoal]

yeah, thats the issue

[ashen jungle]

You're welcome to do so in another div server, just not the official one.

[thorn trellis]

Politicians ruin everything

[torn shoal]

tbh i wouldnt do that anywhere, knowing how people react to thoses discussions it usually goes bad fast

[thorn trellis]

Do what

[torn shoal]

i've had enough of my share in the past

div 2 showed clearly they wanna move away from that, and focus on the gameplay/fun parts

[bright snow]

I do that almost every day, since the world will not change unless changed.

[thorn trellis]

Careful sounding like a certain someone lol

[torn shoal]

well, if u wanna talk about it u can dm me, maybe we can share stuff

[bright snow]

I've got Opinions on the whole game series, so yeah. Anyhow I do respect the mods wishes and will refrain from going political here.

[thorn trellis]

Yes I know

[ashen jungle]

You don't need to keep replying to me.

I'll either read a message or I won't.

[thorn trellis]

Habit

[thorn trellis]

[frosty bluff]

Some random idea I've had was about how interesting it could be to start in a DZ-like area, such as DZ West/DZ East without any DC-62 and bad guys, as the location's BoO and its our mission to go out and scavenge to reinforce the BoO (perhaps with a bit more interactivity than what we have in base game by doing missions that would unlock Settlement Upgrades, which in turn unlocks new gameplay mechanics). I'm honestly just dumping this here since it could be interesting story=wise and doesn't seem right to put it in [ Story & Narrative ] suggestions

[slim light]

man the first com of this season got a conspirac y theory here, and thats how we start year 8 here

[autumn island]

So new comm. Interesting I say interesting.

Manhunt comm 2 | Y8S1 'Rise Up'

|| True sons defectors call upon Manny for backup. One from a Gorman at a CP, one from Foggy bottom, one from West End. Simply put, they're everywhere. They're hitting every CP hard, to the point Manny can't provide enough backup. ||

|| The last straw comes from the last radio transmission, where a true sons defector gets eliminated. Manny realizes that stuff is about to get down, and mobilizes EVERY Agent that he can spare out on the field to fight back. ||

||Now with Manny mobilizing every agent... Could Keener finally get out of the cell?||

[weak forge]

👀

||that’s interesting because I went to see Keener in the cell yesterday and the map behind him is of the White House with arrows going in either direction, I’m thinking are they plans for an escape he’s working on?||

[autumn island]

||Thats IF they get to the whitehouse again. We won't let them get close. i want to hear keener or theo over comms during climax||

[proud flax]

Yup invasion 2.0

Chances are black tusk were undercover or using stealth tech to attack multiple locations at once

Pentagon, dark hours or capitol building might be potential manhunt missions

[autumn island]

dark hours will make sense due to it already being a bt fob (before it was raided by us), now we need to see what will happen...

[proud flax]

Yup

The giant UFO looking thing lifting a car up yeah it's gonna be a big or huge boss fight

[autumn island]

mech

or another zeppelin

[slim light]

or maybe a bigger quadcopter

[autumn island]

a bigger marauder???

[slim light]

i mean best as i can think of one is like th ones inWD2 or legion

[shy comet]

I have a feeling things are about to go crazy story-wise

Also I wonder if there's a reason behind Clean Hands' goofy smile

[autumn island]

team 9 has an 'interesting' psych profile

[glad spruce]

Interesting is one way of putting it, lol

[glad spruce]

They're unhinged psychopaths xD

[wicked gorge]

I say they’re pretty chill

[proud flax]

Some of them are

But if you look past their mentality you can see how deadly they are

[ashen jungle]

You can remove the ly from that. They die just, so fast.

2 of them are basically mobile troop disablers, if you focus on the robots first.

[proud flax]

What kind of person you have to be to take bets on how long it takes someone to die

[ashen jungle]

There's a joke in there about prediction markets, but let's not.

[proud flax]

Yup that war hound has so much armor

Even camper is just a turmoil heaven for DMG others

[glad spruce]

Dunno about you all, but I'm a big fan for this season's Manhunt logo.

[dawn sand]

how many people died in the dollar flu pandemic?

[void wolf]

As far as I know, it's not clear. I've seen many people say that 95% of the world's population died, but I think they're confusing the fact that the virus has a 95% mortality rate with the fact that 95% died.

[dawn sand]

Tbh my guesstimate was like 1/2 billion

[torn shoal]

it doesnt seem like it cause we kill people in droves ingame, but yeah 90+% of world pop has died from the dollar flu + all of thoses who need other mean to survive like healthcare etc since it crumbled, people killing each others, etc

[glad spruce]

Maybe just me, but The Director, the guy we hear from BTSU Team 9 comms? He's definitely Schaeffer's old boss before he was transferred to be Nat's errand boy

[neat parrot]

most likely is.
till now nothing has come of whover shaeffer's boss was. also when they speak, they also talk about someone above them as a HE meaning there could be some other head of bt other than natalya. unless they retcon those comms.

[sick lantern]

or they just hadn't yet thought of Natalya at launch and they already did retcon it

[glad spruce]

Sure

[sick lantern]

What's sure?

[tepid ibex]

Ohh you know, maybe.....maybe not

[sudden mortar]

This week scout is giving me modern warfare 2 vibes when ||the Russians invade the US. All you hear is just friendly radio reporting multiple invading forces in multiplies locations simultaneously and all you can do is send every soldier available to defend the region||

Btw I got a theory I made it up about the "UFOs" that the civilian was talking about. ||You guys remember how advanced BT tech was when we fought Bichon, Boomer, the houndsman warhounds. I got a theory the black tusk might be using cloaking technology (the same on the mini hounds) on those zeppelin we saw back in Brooklyn, it would make kinda sense that Manny doesn't know from where BT are coming from since they could just deploy those units anywhere in the city or civilians seeing weird lights on the sky||

[mellow herald]

i think BT functions like any other company at the higher levels. Nat is the CEO but ultimately has a board of directors to answer to, so this Director is likely the "He" in question

[mellow herald]

im thinking the Pentagon. the attacks are mainly on the west side of the city and the Pentagon is quite literally across the Potomac (So is the National Airport but i feel like with the appearance of the "Director" we might go after a BT HVT, maybe him or somebody similar)

[proud flax]

Something I wouldn't be surprised if team 9 appears

Then again you have to remember a black tusk officer called Anderson and told him to pull out of east mall for some reason

[pseudo jasper]

man, why are the freemen stuck in resurgence

[pseudo jasper]

i think it might be mcmanus actually, since hes working with the black tusk as a political power grab

[autumn island]

Prolly died off during the seven months, or stayed in upper manhattan and didnt go down yet

[glad spruce]

McManus has a southern accent in the comms we hear in him.

So that's a no

[frosty bluff]

^

[torn shoal]

also mcmanus isnt nat boss in any capacity, he is at best a side kick

and his life entirely depends on hunters being a menace, once its no longer the case his lifespan will decrease drastically

[pseudo jasper]

im pretty sure he chose to work with the black tusk so he has to have some leverage

[frosty bluff]

I believe that would just be for area operations

[ashen jungle]

McManus isn't an employee of BT.

[frosty bluff]

Mhm

But wasn't McManus the one managing --or at least helping to manage-- the Brooklyn-cell of Black Tusk-Cleaners? (The Pact - Cleaners)

[wicked gorge]

McManus manages the hunters

[ashen jungle]

Well, he chairs the committee that organises the group that contracts the managers of the Hunters.

[torn shoal]

he doesnt work with bt, he is only an ally and loan hunters for them sometimes, mcmanus has his own agenda but he doesnt have the ressources nat has

[storm axle]

Why rikers have so much people

They are ex prisoners. I know they have lots of them in us

[ashen jungle]

Recruitment efforts.

[storm axle]

Another question

In lore every player is the same agent?

I dont know how to say it

[ashen jungle]

Are we all playing the same main character?

[storm axle]

Yes

I feel like yes and no

I feel like in missions we are all The same main character but i'm freeroam and dark zone we are different agents

[ashen jungle]

Yeah you're pretty much close.
It's sort of vague, and I'd say it's deliberate. Sometimes NPC's say "Agent" singular, other times plural.
It's best to think of it as a grey area.
I would assume we are at least the same person present for the story stuff, but maybe we didn't do it all alone.

[storm axle]

Time for few questions

Why didnt JTF secured capitol. I know Dc was exacuated and they left enough personel to keep white house working but its kinda strange that they decided to left second most importnat building in the USA

[ashen jungle]

Once the majotiry of people are dead, you have to prioritise where you put your efforts. Every person around is a resource.
And once all those people are dead, how important is the US Capitol building anymore?

[storm axle]

Library. Found out there is a mission for congres library

But okay i get it

Do you think there is a chance to rebuild US goverment or US army one day?

[mellow herald]

maybe some form of a army, but the government isn't coming back anytime soon by the looks of things

[storm axle]

JTF is some kind of army

I want to finally see something going as planed for SHD and The goverment

[sick lantern]

rebuilding the government and the country is the objective, meant to be "of the people by the people for the people" so the spirit of the government certainly could return once hostile factions are dealt with and stability restored

[storm axle]

Problem is thst we are not getting rid of hostille factions lol

[ashen jungle]

We actually are.

the recent Manhunt's epilogue mentions as such.

[frosty bluff]

Also to add that part/majority of the DC JTF split off to become the True Sons

[storm axle]

What do they mention

Im not on my pc rn

Nvm

I started wondering

Why did US army fell

[frosty bluff]

Should be the epilogue cinematic for Munity

[storm axle]

I know i know. Loss of personel

But still

For me it would make sense to get everyone to the DC. Secure it. Reform The goverment and then start helping The people.

Im talking about smth else i know.
It makes almost no sense to me that The president decided to order The evacuation of jtf personel

[frosty bluff]

Loss of hope for a continuing government, so better off to join more noticeable leaders than a government that failed to survive the virus. Its why we have Settlements as other friendly locations instead of —for example— a JTF outpost with a field officer helping us with local ops

[frosty bluff]

From Midtown?

[storm axle]

From The enitre dc

[sick lantern]

there was kind of a viral outbreak that killed tons of people?

[mellow herald]

stretched thin. too many things happening in too many places with not enough people to do anything

[pseudo jasper]

ideally for a major settlement you would want a land locked and easily defensible position, dc is neither

a few hours from the sea and has a river going through it that connects to the sea as well

also all three of the factions spawned from the mismanagement of the outbreak in dc, so it probably cascaded to an unsalvageable situation

[pseudo jasper]

(this point is assuming black tusk was the one that shut down the shd network in dc, since they arrived by hovercraft in the prologue)

[ashen jungle]

The prologue wasn't in DC.

I don't think we ever got an exact location, but the fan theory is "new england", by the decor.

[pseudo jasper]

yeah but the location was coastal so they would arrive to dc the same way, likely park in the potomac
where is tidal basin irl

yeah between the potomac and the city, so tidal basin was probably their beachhead

[ashen jungle]

It's implied we walked for a while, the montage vibe was all there.
So I doubt we were 5 minutes out of DC.

[pseudo jasper]

im making an assumption on how they would pull up to dc based on what we've seen elsewhere and in their tidal basin fob
and using it to justify my point that abandoning dc after the black tusk show up makes sense

[ashen jungle]

IIRC Tidal Basin was already established as a big wall in DC before we got there, remember that we couldn't fight there until a month post-launch.

BT were already circling DC as soon as the whole virus thing started. They did orchestrate a presidential assassination after all.

[pseudo jasper]

heres how i think it went down:
hyenas just popped up immediately but as seperate gangs with the general public unrest
outcasts formed at roosevelt island because of ridgeway's mismanagement of the quarantine
ridgeway defects and forms the true sons
dc jtf and division are weakened by primarily the true sons
black tusk pull up and shut down the shd network, triggering the nation wide alert
jtf cut their losses and evacuate, only leaving behind a skeleton crew for any agents answering the distress call

we probably arrive shortly after bt is done setting up the tidal basin fob instead of operating out of the hovercraft on the potomac, and thats why their post story invasions are so extensive

[ashen jungle]

Sort of, BT also supplied the various enemy factions with gear, and the post-campaign missions are all about them going to get it back, take the intel they left, etc.

[pseudo jasper]

the former is probably the same background presence as the presidential assassination, rather than them being in dc proper

[ashen jungle]

Well, I don't just mean with bullets and armour, I mean they literally designed the tech the factions used and gave it to them.
There's a comm in a later Manhunt about how an engineer is wondering if he's making remote-control car bombs for kids to use, but the other voice tells him it's for "street gangs".

I don't think it's come up, but I wouldn't be shocked if Spice itself is a BT invention, a sort of failed gas that BT designed for themselves.

[frosty spoke]

Cough Nightclub Infiltration Classified Assignment

[glad spruce]

You mean this comm from Y7S2?

BARDON SCHAEFFER: What we have to.

THE MANAGER: RC car bombs?

BARDON SCHAEFFER: If they had a legion of drones, it would be suspicious. We aren't ready to infiltrate DC, we need troops on the ground to help us understand what we are up against.

THE MANAGER: I understand how proxy wars work Schaeffer

BARDON SCHAEFFER: You just don't like them?

THE MANAGER: I don't like when we use people, especially kids for target practice.

BARDON SCHAEFFER: No kids. Never kids.

THE MANAGER: Who the hell are we giving the RC car bombs to?

BARDON SCHAEFFER: Local street gangs. Feasible they could rig these with what was left behind.```

[pseudo jasper]

so its explicitly before black tusk formally entered dc

[pseudo jasper]

also i like that despite everything theyre willing to do, the professional soldiers still have standards

[storm axle]

What is our biggest victory yet

Long term victory that we didnt get punched in The guts s 5 seconds after

[glad spruce]

Y7S2, when we prevented Nat from cementing an alliance between Black Tusk and True Sons/Hyenas/Outcasts

Oh, and Y7S3, when we helped the True Son defectors in putting General Anderson, six feet under.

[storm axle]

So we are finally doing progress

[pseudo jasper]

tbf all of our short term victories were building up to this
the division wasnt meant to be saviors, just people who take care of the unrest while the actual first responders do their jobs
and friendly factions now have the opportunity and manpower to make a difference

the current season is us doing what we do best while the militia and defectors take care of the rest

[autumn island]

Yeah... But they're getting overwhelmed to all sxit so, we might need to finally finish them off

[torn shoal]

its just more visible but we only concluded what we were working on for months before, wouldnt this be possible without all the hard work done before

we already tried to stop anderson a few times before but either he got away or people betrayed us

[sick lantern]

in the games or across all the franchise's material?

[sick lantern]

the Division is activated at the point when "actual first responders" are insufficient. if the systems in place under normality could prevent the collapse, the SHD wouldn't have been needed

hence the phoenix motif, "when society falls we rise", "save what remains" etc etc

[storm axle]

Both

Why did we lost white house lamp

Our biggest loss

[sick lantern]

I would say the events of the Operation Crossroads trilogy
reestablished supply lines for food and fuel, formed alliances with factions spanning a good chunk of the USA, alerted Division agents outside of the Sheriff to the Hunters being within the SHD, and thoroughly kicked the Black Tusk's arse

[storm axle]

White house lamp is gone. We can surrender

[proud flax]

The recent comm for the manhunt attacking the west side of DC is very interesting Roosevelt Island might be the manhunt mission again or the other missions I mentioned pentagon, or dark hours raid

[weak forge]

||btsu?||

[sick lantern]

what about them

[weak forge]

Is it them that fate is referring to?

[glad spruce]

Yes

[echo turret]

“BTSU, whatever happened there?”

[wicked gorge]

Keener still didn’t do anything wrong

[fair canopy]

I wish we could pet the dogs in free roam and put a food bowl and water out when we take a control point.

[wicked gorge]

Diseases

[mortal flame]

So… I hear we’re going to the mass burial site that is Central Park….

[ashen jungle]

It's confirmed to be the site of the next DLC, yep.

[weak forge]

Central Park is gonna be so cool

[sinful mauve]

Central park was supposed to be in Division 1 on the North side of the Dark zone but it was cut. It's really good they bring it back to div 2

However it's gonna be one big Darkzone

[ashen jungle]

I very much doubt the DLC is going to be one large PvP zone.
I would bet money that it's not.

From the description during the live-stream, we know very little about what's gone on within Central Park, but if the lore holds up from before: it's a mass grave at the very least.

[storm axle]

I Hope one way we will find out that US army got on The carriers or smth and went to the ocean and they lost contact so they have no idea what is going on but they will join jtf or something like that

[ashen jungle]

I'm pretty sure we know that they're mostly dead. The whole point of the Dollar Flu was to kill people en-masse.

[torn shoal]

also they never lost contact and carriers dont go in the wild for months for nothing

[storm axle]

Let me have some dreams

Btw

We know anything about west Coast or just rest the US?

[tame pivot]

What about Europe and Asia?

[torn shoal]

langley reports coms already gone over it, its bad but not as bad cause they have healthcare

[sick lantern]

the Operation: Crossroads trilogy and Broken Dawn all showcase the state of affairs outside of Washington

[storm axle]

Two questions about The virus.
How realistic is the virus?
Where did Gordon got samples of other viruses

[torn shoal]

its a variant of smallpox, its comically cranked up to be ultra deadly and contagious, not realistic but has a base in reality

[autumn island]

Some parts of southeast asia is prolly destroyed, due to bad govs and lack of healthcare

[storm axle]

So US is destroyed too

[torn shoal]

most of asian countries have healthcare

[storm axle]

I mean. We already know that lol

[sinful mauve]

||we got covid, but we didnt get activated. ||

[autumn island]

I specified south east asia, which is including the philippines brunei etc

Which prolly A got destroyed, B prolly on its last legs

[torn shoal]

they got strong communities, even if they dont have global healthcare, they dont gun down each other when they get sick

u gotta realize that even if a virus like this hit the world, people wont be taking up arms everywhere, its mostly lunatics and preppers crazies

[autumn island]

Only reason why I think we might fall os due to Healthcare, which means the virus can destroy highly populated places like manila and cebu

[autumn island]

I dont mean it as everyone shoots eachother I mean it in a logistics type of situation

[torn shoal]

it will only reduce number of people and the size of cities, people still will carry on, grow food, etc

obv life will be harsher, but we arent nearly close to "destroyed"

[autumn island]

I may have used destroyed long lol

[torn shoal]

there are plently of places with low pop amount with next to no tech and they do just fine

but obv the mortality rate will be as high as anywhere

[autumn island]

That does makes sense

But still, SEA would prolly fall fast, most metro cities would fall, and resources will be low

[torn shoal]

u gotta define "fall" at that point man

cause ressources arent the pb here, with 90+% of the pop gone, food will not be scarce

growing food is one of the easiest thing to do compared to how much food u get in return

[somber swift]

This is why I took my family off grid in farm country...lol

[torn shoal]

also in div 2 the virus is basically done for, thats why its replaced with dc62 in dz

any virus with too much mortality rate wont be able to exist forever

and green poison having 90+% mortality rate, doesnt matter if u infect everyone, there will be a point when u dont have enough people to infect and it dies out

until someone create another strain of that virus like keener tried to do with eclipse

but apparently that was a cover story so who knows

[sick lantern]

Chimeric viruses are 100% real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(virus)

Amherst didn’t need to get samples, this information is in game

[frosty bluff]

There's a list of treason charges in his fandom page

[torn shoal]

normal loyal soldier stuff lol

[wicked gorge]

Nah

There’s a weapon skin called Keener was Right, checkmate

[torn shoal]

yeah that's the hawkster skin

made specifically for him

[glad spruce]

Lyfe... 😄

[glass notch]

In Y8S1 scout 2 comm, the BTSU are taking over control points with the True Sons calling for backup

I'm guessing this takes place during the anniversary season? (More like a break from the manhunts)

[shy comet]

Unless they're adding it hand in hand with the new pvp system 😮

[amber vault]

Your walking though the desolated cities of America. Surviving off of the scraps you can find and the ammo you can scavenge. Till a strange light catches your eye. Walking closer you see the neon sign of a Waffle House still glowing. Walking in you notice the tired looking waitstaff and the angry looking chef, outside a rogue agent and a cleaner are getting into a fist fight

Doesn’t matter if it’s the end of the world, the Waffle House will still be open

[autumn island]

Only place that all factions wont fight at

[amber vault]

No that’s exactly what happens at a Waffle House. You don’t go there for the food you go to see a fight

[autumn island]

I mean a fire fight, but imagine they make a comms from that lol

[storm axle]

Which enemy faction is closest to collapse?

[autumn island]

Everyone is close to collapse, me personally? I'd say the Outcasts. Hyenas close second, due to them being less organized, while the True Sons are starting to collapse

It would be awesome for less enemies on the map, and more friendly npcs to show that we've been winning more

[weak forge]

Would be nice if we could start taking back full control of areas and completely eliminate factions grips on the areas. I feel like black tusk are our biggest threat

||and this new mysterious figure in the library of congress classified assignment possibly||

[autumn island]

Do 4th echelon, ghost recon, and rainbow six exist in the division universe? I think they should, they're all spec ops, so most ops wont be known (other than the Mexican Rebellion/civil war in advanced warfighter in Ghost Recon)

[wicked gorge]

Maybe on a technicality, assassins creed and Ubisoft exist in the division universe (The firewall safe house in div 1 is a Ubisoft studio and the extremis remalis comic, an informant of the division an be playing assassins creed 2 I think)

[frosty bluff]

|| If I remember correctly, 4th echelon merc’d Gordon Amherst in their timeline. Other than that, there isn’t much connections with the other games ||

[mortal flame]

Still have my New York Collapse book on hand… maybe some more side story continuation of Kelleher lol

[glad spruce]

Broken Dawn continues where New York Collapse left off. Mind you, it ends before the start of Division 2 base story.

[mortal flame]

I also have that book too. Just realized she’s just now another survivor out in the world now since she found out || her husband was working on the BSV || and the fact the BTSU were all over them…. Oh and the agent with the kids at the Castle…. Hope to see his little short story too lol

[storm axle]

I started wondering. Why do division agents wear random clothes

Wearing the same uniform would make a little more sense bc we are already wearing stuff to get recognized

[sick lantern]

they don't need a uniform if they're already recognisable

they can wear whatever they deem necessary or comfortable for the situation at hand without needing to adhere to military-style codes of uniform or logistics or etc

civilian clothing makes them more approachable and less threatening to the civilian populace

[storm axle]

Gimmie a second

[wicked gorge]

They’re sleeper agents and not necessarily military. Agents are supposed to blend in and be inconspicuous so it would make sense for a majority to be wearing regular clothing, division 2 would make a lot more sense since you would constantly be needing new clothes

[storm axle]

Clothes no but what about gear?

If every agent was wearing the same equipment (not talking about guns) then it would be kinda better

Why dont we make new division agents out of jtf guys

[sick lantern]

because they lack the skillset, mindset or both
and they have other duties to attend to

[storm axle]

Only thing Jtf soldiers do is sit in The white house

[wicked gorge]

Because they’re a skeleton crew

[storm axle]

I dont get it

[wicked gorge]

A majority of the JTF evacuated DC with Congress and the Ellis, the JTF we see in the game is a small unit left at the White House to maintain it and keep it going. A majority of our help in the game comes from the civilian milita

[storm axle]

Btw. Do we know how big JTF really is?

[wicked gorge]

It would honestly depend on state/cities. The JTF is a mix of military, national guard/EMT/cops/firefighters/etc

Are you a new player by any chance?

[frosty bluff]

We lost quite a bit of JTF members at Camp White Oak

[storm axle]

nah

just like asking questions

[wicked gorge]

If you want more lore, check NGN. Hes essentially the archiver for both games

[glad spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX05ifyPR_Y

For those interested in NGN's video about the latest Classified Assignment

[weak forge]

Yeah ngn is great

He’s recently done an updated video recapping since the time we first activated in division 1

[wicked gorge]

||looks like we got another rogue in mind||

[glad spruce]

...

Is it really this hard to spell 'Rogue' properly?

[wicked gorge]

Listen man I am burnt and exhausted, it’s been a rough week for me

Happy?

[tepid ibex]

sometimes

[wicked gorge]

Felt

[sinful mauve]

Sadly they can't train new Waves of agents during the you know, hyena problems, other main faction problems, black tusk. They are all gonna be trained under a simulation from SHD and Ortiz program, that's how Agents are selected and train and let's not forget about the psych review to insure this Agent candidate ready to become an Agent or has a higher chance going Rogue

(idk why CIA, DEA even police officers would join Division. Yes I'm talking to Kelso being CIA)

[mortal flame]

NGN shoutouts… the man is legend

[glad spruce]

She's ex CIA, which says a lot

[sleek plover]

I wonder what would have happened in Hawaii

[storm axle]

What

[torn shoal]

rouge

[storm axle]

But getting more agents would maybe boost Morales a little

About morales

We know what Morales do jtf soldiers have?

[torn shoal]

u dont need more agents to go rogue, the training is supposed to be super elitist, not recruiting bob and karen from next door

[wicked gorge]

I find it weird they named another doctor O’Neill in resurgence

[storm axle]

Btw

What is your biggest problem with divison lore guys

My is that we killed Theo and Kenner but not really

[compact valley]

i dont like that fay went rouge but it was all a ploy, idk what about it i just dont like it

[torn shoal]

im fine with that, im less fine with the retcon of their actions as if they werent murderers and war criminals

tbh thats very visible thing in lore but overall most of the lore is kinda clean

the factions feel like they have a personality, they feel theratening, they dont mess around, and we are legitimately in dire need of help

[sick lantern]

I think the Black Tusk are a storytelling dead end

[storm axle]

Explain

[sick lantern]

they have too much presence in the setting- to the point where people attribute them to events they weren't even involved with*- without having any real interesting personality as a faction or room to interact or grow

*and, debatably seemingly, the plot of The Division: Hunted was altered in some way to include them more heavily

[storm axle]

I think that Black Tusk was added only bc ubi didnt had ideas for other factions

[ashen jungle]

Y'all do know BT were in the game from launch, right? They literally are the first enemy faction you see.

Your settlement is attacked by them in the prologue.

They orchestrated the assassination of the sitting POTUS, putting Ellis in power.

It's been obvious since the beginning that they would be the big-bads. Honestly before WONY, I assumed they would be the primary antagonist going forward, Keener being re-added was a side-note at the time.

[storm axle]

Is was bt?

That changes something

[frosty bluff]

The hovercraft

[ashen jungle]

You even meet-up again with the Agent in the prologue later. She's at the Pentagon/DARPA missions.

[storm axle]

Really?

I dont even remember her lol

I just Heard that prologue was removed

[ashen jungle]

It's worth doing a fresh 1-40 slow run through where you play stuff in order at this point.
I did a while ago and you pick up a lot more of the story the 2nd time around with context.

[storm axle]

Maybe maybe

Do shd agent get some kind od payment?

What do we even get for working

We even have to pay for our equipment

[ashen jungle]

Our gear is supplied to us, we're paying for stuff now because the bulk of people are dead.

[storm axle]

But shouldnt we get that stuff for free

Its in jtf business for us to have best equipment

Bc they dont have to risk their lives

[ashen jungle]

You really should play more of the game before you post in here.

[raven bramble]

How do they actually explain the fact that the castle has heavy rocket artillery but doesn't use it? Aside from that, where did they get that stuff, and how do they defend it? The BT would have to deploy a division-sized force there to get their toys back.

[ashen jungle]

I assume they took it when we raided all those True Sons areas. Since the True Sons used it on them, it only seems fair.

[raven bramble]

But wasn't that castle contaminated with DC62 before the invasion?! It can't even have been weeks since then, unless our characters were in a coma

[storm axle]

I have around 80h

[ashen jungle]

A lot of your questions feel like someone who used a level 30/40 skip and just ran farming missions.

[storm axle]

I dont really care about lore when playing

[ashen jungle]

We've gone through the events of most of the campaign, the BT invasion, and WONY since the Castle was attacked by the True Sons.

[frosty bluff]

I believe that was a manhunt completion reward. Since several manhunts go about reviving the Castle settlement

[storm axle]

I just run thru te missions to finish The game as fast as possible

I think i have to Play again

[frosty bluff]

There has always been a big complaint of the Division team not tying together post-game missions (i.e. tied together manhunts --along with their scout missions-- as a post-game campaign)

[storm axle]

And

I have a little problem with playing

I get bored fast and i dont really do long sessions of playing

And after playing The gamę for some time i take a break from playing for few weeks

And then i come back and have no idea what i was doing

[ashen jungle]

@storm axle We don't need your personal story here. This is a lore discussion channel.

[storm axle]

Sorry

[ashen jungle]

You can watch a catch-up video on the lore if you are too bored to play the game and experience it for yourself.

[storm axle]

I think i'll try playing once again

[neat parrot]

i'd love to run thru all past manhunts including sub targets as there is a lot of lore i would love to experience once again.

[frosty bluff]

It'll also make the comm grind way easier

[wicked gorge]

Correct me if im wrong but don’t they state the black tusk are a more mobile military that doesn’t really set up bases

[proud flax]

Funny you should mention that

[native tangle]

What are the top 3 strongest factions u think in both games

[torn shoal]

bt and cleaners for sure

[wicked gorge]

Bt, Lmb with Keeners rogue, and division

[native tangle]

I think personally

BT

Cleaners.

LMB

[torn shoal]

lmb were def stronger before blisk died

[native tangle]

Dude they owned ny well only the city.

They also looked dope.

But I think the true sons are really strong since forwhatever reason they keep coming back.

[torn shoal]

true sons are dead in water now

[proud flax]

||(civilian sees something on route 395 Washington DC heading to Pentagon or dark hours and sees something unusual so it's definitely on the ground and gets deployed in the air definitely a marauder drone a enhanced version of it sadly he dead)||

[wicked gorge]

True sons are probably top 5 honestly

[torn shoal]

there is like 6 factions

[proud flax]

Spoiler alert for new comm on manhunt

[wicked gorge]

Nah

[proud flax]

Sooooooo did anyone see my spoiler message

[native tangle]

Out of the hostile factions I think

0. Hunters -(idk where they fall so they are just here)

1. Black tusk

2. Cleaners.

3. LMB

4. True Sons

5. Rikers

6. Outcasts

7. Hyenas

8. Scavengers

[torn shoal]

hunters are considered bt

[native tangle]

Then BT is just number 1

[torn shoal]

rikers are doing much better than true sons too

[native tangle]

Wait what about that one guy in paradise lost?

[torn shoal]

he was a hunter embedded in cleaners

[proud flax]

Yup

[native tangle]

Oh I lwky thought he was a cleaner that killed a hunter and just took the mask and grabbed a hammer.

[torn shoal]

he also gave lovebirds their shd tech

[native tangle]

Oh. Thats good to know

What do you think the next

incusion faction is gonna be?

And if they ever release another raid what faction do you think it will be and where?

For like in lore reasons

[proud flax]

We are definitely heading to the left side of DC for the manhunt mission

[torn shoal]

new raid shouldnt be true sons or bt for diversity sake, so prob hyenas or outcast

new incursion i bet on outcast

[native tangle]

Hyenas havent had anything of importance in a long time for vaild reason. Personally id see a rikers island one in NY

Or maybe a cleaners one at the old divison base in NY

I want the rikers to get more love but they just dont.

[torn shoal]

already got 2 incurions in div 1 for rikers

[native tangle]

I mean in div 2.

[torn shoal]

div 2 got new factions, we should get incurions for them

[native tangle]

Fair point.

[torn shoal]

the goal was to get a fresh game now keep the old stuff forever

we got ny expansion and riker/cleaners cause people love them but its not great cause it means new factions failed at doing the same

[native tangle]

I feel as if the reason the rikers and cleaners were so loved is because in division 1 they were solidified as threats.

Both brutal and inhumane

Where in div 2

The outcasts and maybe the black tusk were the only ones that truly felt like divison enemies.

Thats just probably me though. True Sons were close but they only got "scary" during IH

[torn shoal]

nah, its just plain old nostalgia, they were scary, and so are div 2 factions, but people just dont like change

but if you ask them to play div 1 again, most people wont, cause they still think div 2 is better

its a sad thing in game dev, u have players asking for new stuff, but with old stuff they like, but not the same old stuff they didnt like, and they want new stuff to make it worth the price, but not too new cause they get lost, but not too old cause its not worth it

the truth is, most people just say this cause they have nostalgia, but inr eality they only care about their memories of when they played, not the actual game

[native tangle]

I mean i remember the faction introduction videos for each one. The rikers were the most threatening.

[torn shoal]

u might wanna rewatch faction intro for true sons and outcasts

cause the outcast video made me say out loud "oh fk they dont fk around"

and the true son video made me say "oh they BAD bad"

[native tangle]

Ok now Outcasts is a TRUE great example for a good bad guy intro video.

True Sons with the grave digging in the rain was brutal but not as bad as yk blowing urself up and executing police officers

[torn shoal]

nah, executing cops was really not that hard, also it was off camera and only suggested

barret video was much more impactful and consolidated her as ruthless leader

[native tangle]

Fair.

Black tusk raid on a big hovercraft

[torn shoal]

nah

[native tangle]

Nah the most relistic raid would probably be like

"The outcasts took over a lab in ____" and made a new strand and stuff go destroy it and stuff

[torn shoal]

idk how u can make a it a raid, but could be fun

[native tangle]

I mean what else could they make a raid?

[torn shoal]

idk some new big weapon like razorback or the canon train

if its big and menacing it sells better than invisible and "might be hidden somewhere lol also we dont know what it can do"

[native tangle]

Thats fair

[torn shoal]

remember that most players dont even look dialogues or story, they log in, shoot stuff, drop more stuff, log off

[native tangle]

Touche

Lwky hyenas could get a raid or a incursion with zodiac being the final boss if bro didnt die

[neat parrot]

scavengers the guys with bow and arrow? you are missing the underground/cannibals

[native tangle]

We dont talk about the cannibals.

[autumn island]

Comms 3 | Y8S1 Manhunt: Rise Up

||Less eventful this time. A scout is on a recon trip nearing the 395. Then he hears bulldozers, its the BT. They're coming from Washington. They're clearing the road. He goes in for a closer look, seeing something big behind it, but then he gets taken out.||

||Could the big thing behind the bulldozers be a tank?||

[glad spruce]

||Route 395 in the Washington Area. Isn't that near the Pentagon?||

[frosty spoke]

||Kinda. Also, interesting, that bulldozers were coming FROM the D.C., not to ||

[autumn island]

|| mb ||

[frosty spoke]

||And first comms mentioned BT (supposedly) clearing roads at Arlington, not with bulldozers, but something grabbing and moving them||

[autumn island]

|| giant ass quadcopter ||

[weak forge]

Ooh 👀

[proud flax]

Yup I just mentioned this earlier

Dark hours and pentagon might be the missions for this season Manhunt

They are clearing the left side of DC for some reason right side hasn't been touched yet

[dawn stone]

With how they handled Anderson's in iron horse I feel it might be dark hours

[proud flax]

Two vehicles confirmed a giant tank supposedly and a huge aircraft

Definitely experimented gear

[dawn stone]

Sounds like a raid like mission

[proud flax]

I wouldn't be surprised

Going backwards maybe

[dawn stone]

To me it sounds like we will deal with the tank then head into the hovercraft to deal with the big bad but that's only a guess

[proud flax]

Hmmmmmmm you might be on to something

The entire left side of DC was attacked

[dawn stone]

Or that would be to much work and it's just the raid backwards with a few changes

Thats tidal right?

[proud flax]

I assume the right hasn't yet cause that are trying to keep everyone eyes off of it but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a comm that the right side of DC is getting attacked

[proud flax]

A little left side to it but yeah pretty much

[dawn stone]

I wonder if there trying to take tidal back but I don't understand why they would

[proud flax]

Foggy attack, West end, downtown West, West Park huge assault

[dawn stone]

It sounds more like there getting desperate

[proud flax]

I don't think so

[dawn stone]

I mean they don't have much left in DC

[proud flax]

Well black tusk has always been sneaky still how did no one even noticed black tusk troops in those areas

[proud flax]

Unless they been gathering them for a huge assault invasion 2.0

[dawn stone]

Probably a final push

[proud flax]

Definitely all or nothing using and making experimental tech to use against us

[dawn stone]

I wonder if they are usually dark hours to escape with what they have left in DC

[proud flax]

I think we would have a side mission after the manhunt similar to the mission after stovepipe manhunt season

[sinful mauve]

I dunno for some final push, who knows they will pull off another sneaky attack

[proud flax]

Probably not

[proud flax]

We just have to wait for the rest of the comms if the east DC gets attacked

[dawn stone]

God I hate waiting this long

[proud flax]

So far the west is has fallen

[proud flax]

Yup 6 more weeks of manhunt scouts left which this is probably the shortest season we have ever gotten

[dawn stone]

It's strange how, apparently we have an alliance with ts but ever time we walk into them they attack us 😭

[proud flax]

Well there is only some ts that are allied with us not all

Was hoping to see morozova true sons last season for the manhunt mission unfortunately nope missed opportunity there

[dawn stone]

I know it's early we have only had 3 comms but to me only two are actually linking to the end mission one is about UFO for some reason

[proud flax]

It's probably a giant drone or something

[dawn stone]

I mean they did a blimp in Brooklyn which still was a bit strange since its sooo slow and just a big target

[proud flax]

It's unknown what the date is for Brooklyn and this manhunt

[dawn stone]

It Aunistly feels bt is just making stuff and see if it works or not

😭

[proud flax]

Well that's how they test it

[dawn stone]

Then we destroy it I wonder how much they have lost money wise because we keep destroying there stuff

Probably a dent if they have more places over seas or in USA

[autumn island]

Brooklyn happened in fall, besides that, this manhunt is after brookly, technically after shades of red manhunt it goes brooklyn then the manager. So prolly in-between those two events

[proud flax]

Ah

[dawn stone]

A ok thanks u

[dawn stone]

So a big tank and a big drone sounds like there trying a big invasion and testing them at Washington airport but that's just a theory

[proud flax]

A game theory

[dawn stone]

😎

Im still wondering if the next game will be us going after socalova and bt or a whole new threat probably McManus

But that's still a bit to go

[sick lantern]

congratulations on the most bizarre spelling of “honestly” i’ve seen

[rugged osprey]

So are we technically compromised? There’s a small “side mission” from div 1 I recently found involving Keener taking the Amherst printer, we’re not notified that we should go view the echo or that we’re even able to. I may be a little slow or misunderstanding the meaning of compromised, but it’s how it reads to me.

[dawn stone]

Yeah sorry I can't seem to remember how that word is spelt 😭

[lone salmon]

r/boneappletea material

[storm axle]

I know it propably was told in the game but i dont remember, so why enemies dont just Pick up our tech and use it?

[ashen jungle]

It's controlled by our SHD brick/system, not just anyone can use it.

[storm axle]

Ah

[lone salmon]

One nice thing about Resurgence is that much like the mainline games they wrap much of the story up in one go

I thought they'd drag it out for a bit longer but nope, we off Arthur King right away like every other faction leader

So even if the game goes under most of the important stuff should already be done and not affect the rest of the canon like if it were left hanging

We might get some references to the Freemen in the Central Park comms

Like how they mentioned Silver Creek (though redacted) around the time it was supposed to come out or at least get more marketing

Also I wonder if the Div 1 agent is canonically male

Since one of the comms found in the BoO said that "he" took down Bliss' helicopter

Could also be the case that it's just one person in a squad

[torn shoal]

prob just an over sight

[lone salmon]

Yeah, probably a language thing, european devs and all

[ashen jungle]

It's an oversight, because even in div2, the NPC's in the base game almost always say "he".

The DLC's are better overall for it.

[lone salmon]

Yeah but given how it's a comm instead of enemy chatter i feel like it could have been easier to catch.

[ashen jungle]

The whole point of character creation is that you can make your Agent what you want.
There is no canonical gender for the div2 protagonist character. It wouldn't factor in to the story, so there's no point.

[subtle terrace]

Is this where people talk about lore?

[torn shoal]

yes, welcome

[subtle terrace]

Hows the story so far?

The story has become so convoluted i no longer understands and follows on what the hell is going on.

[lone salmon]

At least we haven't had another retcon in a while, it's mostly been smooth sailing

Tho only being able to run around in dc is hampering it a bit

[subtle terrace]

Whats Retcon?

[lone salmon]

Retroactive continuity

Basically when a creator goes back to a certain detail and changes it

Per wiki: "facts and events established through the narrative are adjusted, ignored, supplemented, or contradicted by a subsequently published work that recontextualizes or breaks continuity with the former."

So stuff like Faye being a double (triple?) agent, Keener and Parnell being alive, president Ellis colluding with Faye, etc

[subtle terrace]

Ah yes, those... They literally pulled off "Somehow Palpatine returned" ahh with Keener and Theo huh.

[lone salmon]

Tbh it had precedent with Hornet, but yeah. They basically established a precedent that no one's truly dead until confirmed otherwise

Which is, well, not ideal

[subtle terrace]

Been a lot of retcons recently after Keener returned arent there?

Like the outpost they attacked with Eclipse Virus turns out filled with Hunters??!

[lone salmon]

Not a whole lot? There's the whole thing with Ortiz Robotics being behind all the tech and the three AI systems, how ANNA was the first one developed and is superior to ISAC

and then Ellis actually colluding with Faye to like copy the watch data before taking the bullet

But otherwise things have been relatively face value?

By the end of year 7 all of the new faction leaders or remnants are toast

We got to offed Mayhem since we never got to during the main campaign, off Harlan Lloyd since the Tusk grabbed him during the white house assault

And then of course Anderson's dead now too even if Manny really wanted him alive

Oh and Schaeffer's awake now too of course, he'll probably be pretty important this season

[ashen jungle]

Without Schaeffer, we wouldn't have been able to get through a lot of The Pact at the speed we did.
He's already proven himself useful.

[lone salmon]

Yep, he'll be pretty important for anything tusk-related

[ashen jungle]

He also mentioned knowing Nat's safe-houses, which is likely to come up again.

[lone salmon]

What are your impressions of the comms so far btw? They seem pretty disparate

[ashen jungle]

I've got a sneaking suspicion that Team-9 this season are either rogue BT, or specifically sent out to try and slow us down.

Haven't had enough time to play the Scouts so far, I mostly leave them to the end of the Season so I get context though.

[lone salmon]

If we're still doing seasons 1.0 they'd probably be the whole manhunt

[subtle terrace]

Whos Harlan Lloyd?

[lone salmon]

The outcast strategist in potomac

[subtle terrace]

The one Kelso arrested?

[lone salmon]

Yeah

[subtle terrace]

Hes dead?

[lone salmon]

So far people are thinking of two candidates for the climax location. Pentagon or the airport, tho i have a feeling they might wanna save the airport for the year finale

[lone salmon]

Yeah, BT took him in when they raided the white house then we killed him a couple seasons ago

[ashen jungle]

Harlan Lloyd died during The Pact, at the Hovercraft area.

[lone salmon]

And the whole UFO and the bulldozer thing, you gotta wonder if BT are making way for something big then

[ashen jungle]

post-Anderson, Manny gives a eulogy of sorts, mentions the various factions are basically leaderless at this point.

[lone salmon]

Having a more original boss for a seasonal climax would be fun

Might even lead up to the new incursion unless they wanna keep that self contained

It's a hydroelectric dam so i feel like that's something only either the true sons or the tusk would be interested in

[ashen jungle]

Specifically a "hydroelectic dam and power station".

[lone salmon]

Yeah

And the true sons are the "canonical" invaders of pentco so clearly they have a penchant for taking over critical infrastructure

[subtle terrace]

You know whats dumb? Why did Mutiny season happen even though Lewis and his men which around a hundred in numbers already defected few seasons before that. It just doesnt make sense.

[ashen jungle]

I doubt it'll be the Cleaners again, and the Hyenas don't feel like its their thing.
Outcasts nah, maybe some kind of infection thing where they're trying to pollute a water supply.

[ashen jungle]

Mutiny wasn't just a few hundred, it was like half of the True Sons.

remember that a bunch of them were old JTF who left.

Why is it "dumb"?

[subtle terrace]

Oh sorry i thought it was the other way around.

[ashen jungle]

So basically, Anderson went full dictator and started executing his own men in response to some being unhappy with his way of running things, so that caused more to leave.
It's why the True Sons|| kill him at the end||, he was straight up murdering his own people.

[lone salmon]

And also he wasn't exactly good with running things either

The punny personal platoon is probably the best thing he ever approved

[subtle terrace]

But still dumb on how Lewis men basically just vanished. Never mentioned again.

Too bad Lewis is gone.

[ashen jungle]

After Lewis' death, I'm guessing a lot of them just joined us, or circled back to the True Sons.
hell, they might've been the first ones killed by Anderson.

[subtle terrace]

Didnt even see his men defending White House during Reign of Fire climax mission wasnt it?

[ashen jungle]

When you defect to another side in a fight, you don't keep your old uniform on.

and I'd suspect that people weren't super happy about seeing True Sons around, so anything they could do to help fit in would've been better.

[subtle terrace]

Lewis did xd

Anyway what was the point of Reign of Fire season again? About dirty bombs being used on Saint Louis.

Doesnt really effect our entire playground.

[ashen jungle]

Lewis is sort of the opposite of that. He wanted to be seen as a way for more True Sons to join our side.
Think of him as a mascot.

[torn shoal]

ngn does good videos on lore recap if u want, there has been a lot to resume in few words tbh

[subtle terrace]

The only Div2 youtuber that i watched.

[ashen jungle]

Yeah you should definitely watch the NGN one, as you've fallen into a trap right there.

[subtle terrace]

He mentioned about Div "Recruited" novel on Reign of Fire video.

[subtle terrace]

Damn you. I rather step on a foam mine.

Or getting hit by Williams Lockdown Seeker mines.

[storm axle]

Maybe we will get some people back in JTF

[ashen jungle]

I would say we already did. Anderson's Manhunt mission at the end mentioned them being welcomed to Castle.

[subtle terrace]

Are the only canonical Hunters in-game right now are Brian, Deceit, Wright, and Bridgette Douglas?

[sick lantern]

it was part of the plot of the Recruited novel and only brought up for Reign of Fire as a red herring

^

[subtle terrace]

ah ok

[autumn island]

Could be nice if we see friendly TS roaming around

[subtle terrace]

@autumn island @sick lantern @ashen jungle @storm axle Tbh I missed the entire Mutiny season. And even before companion system were added, I've always been looking forward to fighting alongside Bardon or even Keener.

How did it go for you guys? The companion system.

[storm axle]

I missed munity too lol

[subtle terrace]

Oh lmao.

[glad spruce]

Seems like it

[glad spruce]

Bridgette Douglas is still alive /copium

[storm axle]

How big was SHD before The outbreak? More than million agents or less?

[subtle terrace]

Much less, most likely around thousands including the hunters.

[storm axle]

So how much so we have left?

Wait. If Hunters are some kind of failsafe, then why are they fighting normal agents?

[ashen jungle]

That's basically the current big question.
We are currently technically off-mission, since our boss is technically McManus.

So technically speaking: we're Rogue, without having Rogue status.

[subtle terrace]

as Rivens said, Calvin McManus is Secretary of Security Homeland Division which is the last in line for presidency.

[subtle terrace]

But as far as i know, theres someone else higher in line than Calvin who's still alive.

Forgot who she was and whats her position.

[torn shoal]

they consider every agent rogue now

[storm axle]

So technicy we are against The goverment but working for govermnet

[torn shoal]

also shd personnel might be few hundred people we are supposed to be élite not an army

[storm axle]

We aint elite

[torn shoal]

several branch of a gov fighting each other isnt common but it happens, usually the one who wins will says they were the good one and no one will ask anything

[subtle terrace]

We definitely are.

[torn shoal]

we are tho, we prevail where everyone failed

[subtle terrace]

Literally "Save what remains"

[ashen jungle]

Just an FYI, the "save what remins", mainly refers to the US Government and its systems.
We've extended that to people since it keeps us on mission.

It's not as altruistic as it sounds.

[torn shoal]

shd isnt supposed to be a force for good, directive 51 is as bad as it gets, but it's a vidéo game so killing civilians is bad

[ashen jungle]

Well that's not quite the whole case.

[subtle terrace]

Also canonically our watch has never turn red i think.

[torn shoal]

I mean I abridged it a lot lol

[frosty spoke]

. The agency also pledges active support to classified Continuity of Government plans should a widespread national disaster cripple normal governing functions.
Well, I'd say we ARE off mission, as we fight against the only known government official now

[ashen jungle]

McManus is not the only government official left.

[subtle terrace]

We've never officially gone rogue. Even when shaking hands with Keener, Keener's watch was orange instead of red.

[torn shoal]

well we circule back to what I said few month ago, what autority we have to arrest président and so on

[ashen jungle]

He's the current (known) highest ranking person within the US.

[sick lantern]

because they are evil

[storm axle]

We need new president

[subtle terrace]

Im certain theres someone higher in line for presidency than Cal.

[torn shoal]

we def dont

[subtle terrace]

Another Secretary, but I cant remember.

[sick lantern]

secretary of agriculture is still alive, so i’ve been told

[storm axle]

But new potus could order Hunters to help SHD

[torn shoal]

minister of agriculture but he died last we heard

[ashen jungle]

There was. One died, BT had one killed, McManus was down the line.

[subtle terrace]

Ah this one yeah. She's somewhere far.

[ashen jungle]

The order of succession to the POTUS office is pretty clear in the US.
Calvin is the current POTUS by default.

[torn shoal]

yeah but Ellis sided with bt before dying

[storm axle]

Ellis sided with bt long before he died

[frosty spoke]

Every last agent? Aren't only DC and NY agents considered "off mission"?

[torn shoal]

so beside "we good us bad" we cant really have juridiction to fight

[subtle terrace]

Homeland Division is last in-line for presidency. Agriculture is higher than it.

[torn shoal]

to Hunters, yes, marked rogue or not

[ashen jungle]

A corpse can't be president.

And you don't need to keep tagging me, I'm in the conversation.

[subtle terrace]

What? I'm just using the reply feature bruh

[storm axle]

So when we kill that secretary Hunters may leave us alone?

[torn shoal]

I wish the writers would acknowledge this problem but I know they wont

[ashen jungle]

I'd appreciate it if you didn't use it so much. I try to keep my pings to a minimum, as I have to kepe an eye out for scam posts.

[torn shoal]

prob never

[subtle terrace]

just say so bruh

[storm axle]

So Hunter have to become hunted

[ashen jungle]

Not a bruh.

[subtle terrace]

Anyway I dont think we will canonically become rogue. You know, watch turns red.

[torn shoal]

that's on isac, it's différent

[ashen jungle]

It's sort of hard to tell right now if we are counted as Rogue in the eyes of Huntesr and just not our Watches, or if someone is interfering with the red part.

[torn shoal]

isac is programd to follow it's directive, which Hunter dont care about

[frosty spoke]

I'd say that would only make the situation worse, legitimate the "off mission" label and stuff

[ashen jungle]

I suspect that some people are keeping us in orange status.

[torn shoal]

cal consider us off mission cause it's an excuse to seize more power

[subtle terrace]

Canonically, we've replaced ISAC with ANNA right?

[sick lantern]

McManus is a traitor and an enemy of democracy

[subtle terrace]

If yes, since when, and which season?

[storm axle]

So maybe Hunters were told that we are rogue and we hacked our watches or smth

[frosty spoke]

For you, as an agent, yes

[sick lantern]

…for everyone?

a crime against the rule of law is a crime against the people

[storm axle]

So now the govermnet is fighting The goverment

[torn shoal]

no, we got both

[subtle terrace]

Both are still running?

[torn shoal]

yes

[storm axle]

Btw. What do Hunter think about JTF?

[subtle terrace]

btw, when Manny interogating Bardon in Oval office, Bardon mentioned Manny should be the president.

[torn shoal]

helping agents = kill on sight

[storm axle]

So JTF and SHD are traitors in Hunters eyes?

[ashen jungle]

As far as the Hunters are concerned, us Agents are actively committing treason, as their job is to stop us if we go off-mission, and were told that by their boss.

[torn shoal]

yes

[frosty spoke]

For those who knows whats happening and why agents are fighting Cal

[storm axle]

Hell yea

[torn shoal]

to us, cal and Hunters are traitors, for them we are the traitors

[subtle terrace]

Everyone is betraying everyone.

[ashen jungle]

Hunters are just doing their jobs.

[frosty spoke]

^This

[ashen jungle]

people have gotta stop using words like "traitor". Most of the population are dead. What are they betraying, a bunch of bodies in a courtroom?

[torn shoal]

who's to say who's right

[storm axle]

Why BT want to secure DC? Kinda forgot if it was told in the game

[subtle terrace]

Didnt Ellis turns out to be on our side as well?

[torn shoal]

White house, isac node

[storm axle]

Ellis was working with BT

[subtle terrace]

Betrayed us first for whatever reason.

[ashen jungle]

You haven't caught up yet.

[storm axle]

So we wasnt?

[sick lantern]

the group that continues the aims of the legitimate government, actively tries to help the populace for the purpose of restoring society and democracy
not the group that oppresses the populace and is trying to undermine democracy

[torn shoal]

double agent stuff

[ashen jungle]

You should finish the Manhunts and such before you come back to this channel again, it's going to spoil a lot.

[subtle terrace]

Or just watch videos in NGN channel.

[storm axle]

Good idea. I have most of manhunts to complete

Not every tho

[torn shoal]

yes every

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What was the reason Ellis betrayed us in the first place? I remember he said "Here give me your watch" to Faye. Hinting that he's also a double agent.

[storm axle]

Finishing division 1 soon

[subtle terrace]

Before hes killed.

[storm axle]

Last mission and then UN

Just saw JTF soldier coming from LMB mission territory

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I just, dont know anymore tbh...

Division story at this point is just so convoluted.

[storm axle]

Its overcomplicated and strange

Kenner was killed but he is Alive

[ashen jungle]

You should hold off on judging it until you've actually gone through it.

Which you've just told us you haven't yet.

[subtle terrace]

Theres an explanation for that but it feels forced af

[storm axle]

And that is

[sick lantern]

something involving the AR/hologram technology from Descent and maybe a body double

a twist predicated on the agents, I guess forgetting to secure the body or confirm the kill

[subtle terrace]

Theres a deepfake video of Keener killing a civillian back in Brooklyn iirc.

[storm axle]

I still remember that watch said that he was dead

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Isnt there a trailer where we did secure the body?

Then he wokes up.

[sick lantern]

If so, must’ve been a deepfaked body

[subtle terrace]

Thats why I said it feels forced af.

What was the point of the entire Div 1 for Keener if turns out he's always been on our side? Even when they attacked the City Hall in New York with Eclipse Virus, turns out that settlement is filled with Hunters and Cal's loyalists. Everything feels forced af ever since Keener and Theo came back.

Somehow Palpatine's returned ahh storyline.

[storm axle]

Let dead people be dead

[ashen jungle]

My tag being swtor is something of a subtle jab at that rugpull, but I'm not convinced that this is all on the level, re: keener and theo.

[sick lantern]

“at some point he learned about Hunters so he chose to start being good” afaik

[storm axle]

Im 100% sure he will turn evil again

[sick lantern]

he’s still a terrible person for all the bad things he did during div 1 with no “I’m fighting the deep state, trust me” excuse

[torn shoal]

what is evil in div world tho ? everyone and their friends kill random people now

[ashen jungle]

There's a difference between being mean to someone about their haircut, and trying to burn an entire homeless camp of men, women, and children alive.

[torn shoal]

yeah but u know what i mean, there is an argument to be made about div being bad overall

[sick lantern]

🤦‍♂️

[subtle terrace]

I feel like Division is like One Piece at this point

[ashen jungle]

I honestly can not possibly see where you're going with that comparison.

Like, nada.

Are the Hunters.....stretchy?

[subtle terrace]

Division 3 is confirmed isnt it? I dont think the story is going to end in 10 years.

[storm axle]

There is almost no good people in The div lore

I think that even we agents arent that good

[torn shoal]

whoever thought fish tacos were a good idea deserve to be shot tbh

[torn shoal]

we arent supposed to be good, we are supposed to keep continuity of gov

[subtle terrace]

Sorry for the ping but here, Div 2 was released in 2019, 7 years after that and only months has passed in-game.

Not even a year. Ever since the Div 2 story started.

Basically 7 years of running is cramped so tight into several in-game months.

[ashen jungle]

More time has been stated to have passed recently, a few months IIRC.
but yeah, it's a short gap. Of course it is. If it was a decade, people would look different, the city would be very different.

Theo would look like he does in that one Store page where he's bald. Which makes me happy every time I see it.

[storm axle]

Do we know what happended to mid Manhattan after div 1?

Im playing div 1 and benitz just said that most of enemy faction are on The run and resident can go back to streets

[subtle terrace]

Dont know but thats where the DZ for Div 1 isnt it

[torn shoal]

u dont want to play the game at all or what ? xd

[subtle terrace]

"Then somehow Freemen came out" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

[storm axle]

Im playing rn

[torn shoal]

so keep playing and see the answer pop in front of u instead ?

[storm axle]

I have last mission to complete in div 1

[subtle terrace]

Ah yes, the love-hate relationship with Division stories.

[storm axle]

What is happening there now