division-universe

[torn shoal]

wait really ?

thats like the most questionnable change lol why would they change the name

[ashen jungle]

Most likely due to it encompassing more than just the div games, and "universe" as a term for a franchises lore is quite a common one.

Kinda like "the world of <franchise name here>" is used to encompass a through-series of games across genres.

[glad spruce]

Given Y8S1 focuses on Black Tusk, what if we get retaliations related to the faction?

[ashen jungle]

We actually know for a fact that BT Retaliations are coming.

it was in the livestream :p

[frosty bluff]

With it being a Retaliation, would they add anything to the exotic blueprint list?

[ashen jungle]

Probably future Exotics, since more get added each Season.

I wouldn't mind a rebalance of the ones we have, so it makes a bit more sense.

[cosmic niche]

There is a distinct problem with the second wave. Anyone know what it is?

[sick lantern]

a lot of them got blown up?

[ashen jungle]

We chop our arms off for the fashion?

[cosmic niche]

Good answers

[torn shoal]

i would go for both tbh, div-lore-universe

[torn shoal]

well at least im not crazy i said thoses materials were related to bt in retals

[torn shoal]

idk if we are still second wave anymore, it was for ny back then, now its country wide, are we still 2nd wave ? 3rd wave ? last ?

[frosty bluff]

The "Last Wave" sounds cool, although it just so happens to be competing with "Last Man Battalion"

[zenith spruce]

why does the original settlement not exist by the time of warlords of new york

and why are there uniforms changed and stuff like i am building a damn good network in the first game rn

[frosty bluff]

When Division Agents left NYC, the JTF remained to fend off against Rikers and Cleaners --ultimately lossing the battle and JTF scattering across the region. The main leaders at Div1 BoO would eventually south go get away from all the mayhem. idk It was kinda discussed in WoNY, but I haven't actively listened to the comms in a while

||The mobile game could go into depth about the lead up to the JTF breakup, and the DLC might also pick up events of Midtown via local comms,|| but otherwise its not really discussed in-depth beyond

Divison leaves, JTF couldn't handle restrengthened local enemy forces, JTF breaks up and scatters

[zenith spruce]

ah damn

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t they say they were adding bt retaliations?

[glad spruce]

I wasn't paying attention to that stream, so there's that.

[wicked gorge]

You good, didn’t want to upset the lore master

Wrong channel, try general

[shrewd ocean]

thank you

[wicked gorge]

Np

[late void]

Lfg is the spot for any grouping requests

[wicked gorge]

Thank you, I haven’t really been active here anymore so I just sent him to the best place

[glad spruce]

Oh, nice, I got my AMA question answered

[lone salmon]

So per the AMA the Cabal "may or may not" play a role in future developments

So something to look forward to i guess

[stiff dome]

AMA😔 Reddit shadowbanned me.

F....... never mind.

[neat citrus]

POSSIBLE TO POST STREAM LINK FOR THE DIV 2 IN THIS DISCORD?

sorry for all caps looool

[glad spruce]

Self promotion is not allowed, IIRC

[amber vault]

Is there any lore about the “underground”

Those chain wearing guys interest me

[sick lantern]

nope

[amber vault]

Makes sense they’re a minor faction

[torn shoal]

yeah they're mostly here for the ambiance

[glad spruce]

Just a bunch of mute scavengers who like to shoot, poison, stab, and eviscerate any soul coming their way.

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce My spirit animals.

[sleek plover]

At least we have apparel based on them

[outer willow]

Story spoilers:

So, after WONY, ||Lau is discovered to be rogue||. Do we learn how that happened in Brooklyn? ||Like, how she was able to trick ISAC||?

[frosty bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like this is more of a manhunt comms thing than as part of the dlcs

[sudden mortar]

The lore is they're scavengers that live underground.

[glad spruce]

She was marked Rogue, but she was actually trying to help us, as Season 9/Y4S1 established that Lau and Schaeffer were trying to warn the Division about McManus and his Hunters.

[amber vault]

There has got to be more to it but they’re a side faction so they’re not gonna get any lore

Also why is it just so easy to become rogue. They even have protocols for it.

You give these dudes all the powerful tech and weaponry and the only thing stopping them from just turning evil is a sign that says “please don’t”

Whoever programmed the security should be fired.

Well they’re also probobly dead.

[sick lantern]

the division is made to be activated when conventional responses have failed and truly desperate measures are needed, the autonomy that enables them to go rogue is a blessing and a curse

plus there's whatever that "i'll allow rogues to use their shd tech still" thing was from Descent comms

[amber vault]

I need to actually kill that nemesis. I suck at decent and I’m too prideful to enlist help

One last question.

Do we ever get any information on how the rest of the world is doing. I’m going to guess bad if not worse

[sick lantern]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[amber vault]

Thank you, I’ll look at it when I have time

[wicked gorge]

So we all ready to go back to camp white oak for the next manhunt mission and finally go into the bunker?

[torn shoal]

well youre not gonna believe what Hunters were for

[torn shoal]

it's explained in later manhunts but yeah she went rogue to join nat to spy and protect div agents

[amber vault]

I’m guessing they’re for killing rogues

Idk I haven’t done battle for Brooklyn

[torn shoal]

it's not stated in bfb but in later manhunts, and now they consider all agent as rogue even if isac doesnt cause the Hunter boss consider nat is cool and a better ally

[amber vault]

No clue what that means but okay. All I know is they have funny looking masks

[torn shoal]

it mean Hunter think they re still working for the gov but their boss just uses them to their adcantage cause they dont ask question

[sleek plover]

hunters are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are...

[glad spruce]

Brian Johnson was pretty convinced he was doing the right thing when we were kicking his ass

[frosty spoke]

#division-universe message

[glad spruce]

Thank you

[true bloom]

is the world outside america doing good or did the same happen there as well

[sick lantern]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[true bloom]

thank you

[mortal flame]

Lore also says there’s crocodiles in the sewers lol

[mortal flame]

The California Navy Boy Scout… wish he didn’t turn…he was my second favorite agent from the comics…

and the fact California had Division agents activated was cool to have confirmed

[amber vault]

Okay just started battle for Brooklyn

Who’s Anna? I’m hearing her and not Isac

[late void]

ANNA is the AI the rogues are using instead of ISAC. She has more actual reasoning ability and a somewhat sarcastic demeanor. She appears to primarily be working for Keener and Theo but we have little or no information on what her true goals or motives might be.

[amber vault]

She’s not my boy isac. I won’t trust her.

[sick lantern]

based

[sick lantern]

she appears in the novel The Division: Compromised and can't even properly tell the difference between a rogue and non-rogue agent, so claims of her higher intelligence are dubious...

[amber vault]

Is thwre any lore I should know before battle for Brooklyn

[proud flax]

Depending

[amber vault]

I completed WONY. And then jumped ink Brooklyn and some things I don’t understand

[proud flax]

Like

[amber vault]

Ya know what I’ll figure it out. If I don’t know something I’ll look it up

[proud flax]

Ok

[proud flax]

But paradise lost is somewhat the prologue

[amber vault]

I’ll check it out then

[proud flax]

Ok either way welcome to Brooklyn the first location of the division franchise

[amber vault]

I’m gonna go back to dc and screw around with the open world I mostly do that when I’m bored.

And I know, the first game was my first ever shooter.

[proud flax]

Ah nice

[shy comet]

You should go hunter hunting

[amber vault]

What?

I’m just gonna go try to provoke some retributions haven’t seen what they’re like yet

[torn shoal]

she is closer to what actual ia should be, isac is just a computer with a voice tbh at least anna can tell us to f off

[torn shoal]

u should complete manhunts before bfb

story wise bfb is recent, there is like 7 years of manhunts to complete before u get there

[late void]

The main thing would be that Keener and Theo ||aren't actually dead, they faked their deaths to go undercover and gather more info on BT||

[blazing stratus]

In the Realism mode all npcs die after a headshot instantly, but in the Campaign hunters are a headache, pretty tough bot, but fun to fight against overall.

[blazing stratus]

There are builds that kill with 1 shot to the head

[torn shoal]

not even remotely close to the point i made + doesnt matter since there are build that require more

[ashen jungle]

This is a lore channel, you're welcome to continue whatever this is elsewhere.

[fossil sierra]

Question, who are the hostile balaclava guys in NYC/Warlords DLC, who you occasionally run into, supposed to be lore wise, just unnamed bandits or?

[late void]

remnants of the rioters from the first game I believe

[cosmic niche]

They got alex!

So who are we onto now?

[glad spruce]

Black Tusk

[sleek plover]

I hope they actually have lore kn why are they named black tusks anyways.

I mean it should be sth other than "it sounds edgy and cool"

and even rl blackwater was originally named because its original training site was in Moyock, North Carolina Swamps with murky waters.

[ashen jungle]

Their logo looks....similar to an IRL PMC with a questionable history, and wild hogs are actually incredibly dangerous.
I doubt we're going to get an in-lore reason why the name, and it was just part of an ideas session one day and it sounded cool and worked.
It also is good for shorthand, "BT" is snappy for the villain's initialism.

Where-as for example, "Black Snake"'s shorthand is a little more unfortunate.

[rich lark]

So can someone explain the dates on manhunts they're not release dates but if it's timeline dates it makes the story very weird

[glad spruce]

It's timeline dates.

All Manhunts take place after WONY.

The Pact's timeline date is a typo.

[rich lark]

Ok

I was so confused by the pact one cause I was like is it supposed to take place earlier in the year

[snow patio]

Is ANNA Going to Return

[torn shoal]

she is most likely going to stay, you keep isac for the basic stuff open world missions etc, and anna for manhunts prob at least for anything related to keener in some way

[snow patio]

Interesting

[torn shoal]

which is nice cause anna is def very much funny and witty

[snow patio]

I find Anna much better than Isaac in my opinion

[torn shoal]

well in lore anna is the original ai that was worked on for the division and was toned down so that agents dont ask too much questions

so she is theoritically better than isac on basically everything

[amber vault]

It’s a thing called “narrative dissonance”. It’s an apocalypse yet you have thousands of bullets at your disposal and easily find more. Enemies are tanky enough to survive multiple shots. You’re able to kill thousands of enemies and still never see a dent in th number the factions have. Bleed damages your armor first Why? Because that’s how the games designed and it would be really annoying if it wasn’t

Many games do this. Like once you start thinking about it yeah it dosnt make sense then you stop thinking about it because it isnt much of a big deal

[torn shoal]

yeah i know, thats what im trying to explain

im glad div 2 went the route of "idc about dissonance its fun" which the first game tried to be a bit more realistic and it wasnt great

[shy comet]

Wait, so if hunters are a failsafe for bad division agents, then why do we kill them?

Also I'm sure this isn't official canon or anything but it would be sick if the hunters were the modern day brotherhood of assassins from AC

[sick lantern]

Calvin McManus created the Hunters to undermine the SHD by killing any agents, hence their beef with The Agent and The Sheriff

[shy comet]

Ahhh, gotcha

I was told by someone that they were a failsafe, maybe that was their original purpose or smth

[sick lantern]

@shy comet McManus did a bunch of bad stuff, but once or twice in Descent or whatever he said "Hunters are only for rogues"
draw your own conclusion

[shy comet]

Gotcha, personally I've never played through the entire descent so I don't know a lot of McManus' lore

Anyways thanks for the answer, for some reason I'm pretty fascinated by the hunters lol

[torn shoal]

why we kill them like targeting them or just fighting them when they attack us ?

they were a failsafe in the beginning, now they are used as another group of highly trained people to help bt

[shy comet]

Ah I see

Interesting, and yeah I meant why are we targeting them

[torn shoal]

rogue agents were allowed to use their shd tech so that they could do their job still, and then be questionned to see if the rogue status was deserved or not

so hunters were designed to hunt thoses who go rogue and dont surrender saying "its a mistake trust me bro"

mcmanus lead the hunter force, and he joined bt cause he is power hungry, so his troops followed as they never question his orders

so now we also target them if we can cause they are a high threat, a single hunter can take out plenty of agents with minimal support

[shy comet]

Ahh cool

That makes a lot more sense

[torn shoal]

rogues are not kill on sight by default, but since the situation has gone to the worst, its more or less the case, some exceptions happen for lore reason, like keener but other than that, yeah becoming rogue mean u get shot on sight

[echo gyro]

There an in game reason why we can’t rock exotics in every slot?

[slender scroll]

Second wave agents spontaneously combust if they have more than two exotics on at once, theyve got too much aura /j

jokes aside, I dont believe there to be any ingame lore reasons for exotic limits, but i wouldnt doubt it being the same way the star wars franchise excuses certain boring (but efficient) moves and tactics not being used

[ashen jungle]

It's purely a gameplay mechanic as far as we're aware, Exotics are designed to be 1 gear/1gun in div2.

[amber vault]

Is there a reason why the black tusk don’t take control points

[ashen jungle]

@amber vault Give it until next Season and they actually will, since we're getting BT Retaliations.

[amber vault]

Oh cool

I guess you can probobly put it up to “we do not care about your petty squabbles”

Until they are forced to care because of the division

[ashen jungle]

I put it down to a mix of that, and also we keep on killing them to the point where they're starting to run low on troops.

[amber vault]

Every faction is simultaneously low on troops and has an infinate supply

[slender scroll]

I really pray for black tusk recruiting efforts, given their options are maniacs, maniacs, and maniacs, for targeted recruitment

[ashen jungle]

Think of it as a case of gameplay vs lore, where since it's a live-service game, it needs to have an endless supply of bad guys, but in the story there's a finite amount of people.

[amber vault]

They are the most sane faction out of almost all division factions. The only faction that matches their sanity is the LMB. An they are basically just LMB 2.0

[ashen jungle]

Some of them actualy are the LMB, once they collapsed back in div1.

[amber vault]

I know, they even gave the same tech like the medic boxes

[slender scroll]

I think the real solution is for black tusk to deploy only hunters and nothing else and pray it works

[amber vault]

Also how tf did the LMB collapse but the cleaners and rikers survived

I guess insanity wins in the end

Or they were just the fan favorites

[ashen jungle]

Cleaners was a bit of a weird one, since we find out in WONY that Ferro was basically doing very little to actually lead them, and Conley was basically the defacto head by the time we offed him.

Rikers I get, purely based on them being a lot of gang and crime-y people, so they can just find a new crime boss to work under.

[slender scroll]

LMB was much more organized, I would assume most groups like the rikers and suchwould just be the equivalent of scavengers and bandits, it’s insane how large of a presence both groups have though

[ashen jungle]

BT are on another level though, their head+ a potential other faction helping fund them, helped cause a lot of the chaos in the first place. They flat-out organised a presidential assassination.

[amber vault]

If one division faction survives till the third game I’m gonna bet it’s the cleaners manly because everyone loves the cleaners they’re the coolest faction idea.

They hit perfection and it’s been a hard time to top it

Also haha funny gas tank explosions

[ashen jungle]

I hope in div3 it's 3 new ones, and maybe BT as a deep-endgame, but in a different form.
I will say, I enjoy the Hyenas way more than the Rioters from div1.

[amber vault]

I loved the rioters but yeah the hyenas are so much better

Though nothing tops that line

[slender scroll]

Cleaners I don’t think have much left to grow unless the div 3 still has prominent bioweapons still just kind of lingering (if it’s not a prequel, of course, I’d assume they would be there for that)

I miss the rioters a little bit, I can’t lie, they had that stuff on and were relatively normal as a group

[ashen jungle]

Going by the personalities you get from the Snitch Cards in div2's base game, I would be happy with some of those as main characters. They're wonderfully wacky, in a Darmer kinda way.

[amber vault]

Anyway off to go murder people in the dark zone

[ashen jungle]

I also only just realised you have "gay rogue agent", and my pfp is a rainbow rogue icon. Hah.
okay gl in the DZ

[slender scroll]

With how developed the modern div 2 world feels after the disaster, I wonder how we’ll continue with the story past it, if we don’t get put into perpetual slightly apocalyptic cityscape forever

[ashen jungle]

I'm hoping for a decent time-jump, let the next generation take over, and have a few of the old-guard be aged up for mentor roles.

[nocturne arrow]

That would require an ongoing recruitment process, finding people left who could become Division Agents... And Calvin McManus not being an anus. Between the Green Poison, the Hunter program, constant fires being put out, and simple attrition, I'd imagine that whoever's left at Division 2, that's it. No new recruits, unless you start scrapping from the bottom(er) of the barrel and decide to toss Eva Garcia and her fish tacos an ISAC brick and a shd watch.

[woven pulsar]

after being reminded via the loading screen text, i wonder where the remaining population of the US are? especially inland, iirc we heard that in nebraska or kansas or smthn the highest ranking govt official left who was secretary of agriculture was working at a large cera base

got me thinking of maybing writing a story about a rogue hunter trying to get their partner to go there instead of staying in hell, middle of (ie the entire eastern seaboard) and then hijinks ensue

imo its a little reassuring that despite the end times being upon us, theres still large areas holding out with substantial govt control left + the remaining military, would be nice to hear more / see that cera camp which from what i can tell has been mostly vibing while the entire eastern seaboard has been a warzone since amherst

[torn shoal]

agents can recruits civilians as honorary agents iirc

[torn shoal]

the us overall is the country doing the worst for the green poison, gov collapse, factions, etc, while the rest of the world kinda managed to not fall into chaos

[woven pulsar]

i stand with ngn that aus and nz are totally fine and just vibing (not biased)

[torn shoal]

tbh from what i know about australia im not sure they even noticed there was a pandemic lol

[woven pulsar]

bigger issues (giant enemy spider)

[woven pulsar]

i just love hunters man, totally dont have a type, just wanna hear more especially about individual hunters tho i dont wanna make it like cod lmao

idk why but the hunters remind me intrinsically of konig

[sick lantern]

it’s not an overall “ongoing” process but i’ll give you three guesses as to what “The Division: Recruited” is about

[shy comet]

Now that you mention it, thats a pretty good comparison

[shy comet]

Me too the hunters are the coolest enemy faction imo

[ashen jungle]

Isn't that the coffee pod brand?

[woven pulsar]

only thing in common? military guys with masks lmao, tho ig i could be the menacing aura, div 1 hunters were terrifying

[shy comet]

I feel like their demeanor would be pretty similar, quiet and tough

But I meant that they remind me of Konig too

[clever quest]

Per logic, society, if does come back, it would take more than decades, if not centuries, if not at all. For example, The Walking Dead, government is gone, people fight to survive, groups are formed, everyone is killing each other…
Just think on how long it took to go from Neolithic to now. Even if you take half of it out as we already have some knowledgeable people, but no schools, limited resources….
My personal thought, it would never recover.

[slender scroll]

I agree with a long or never full recovery, but I do think with how the division shows its world, I feel it’s already steady to Atleast become more traditionally organized in a shorter time, like with berlin after ww2 or American reconstruction, of course its a different case, complete collapse versus general destruction or merger, but I say it won’t be desolate for that much longer, it won’t be back to the original sense of pre-story safe, but I think it’d be quite stable with the bandit groups persisting, but at some point with the division kind of evaporating every single factions people, they’d be weak or assimilated elsewhere. I do agree with you on schools and such though, even if much of it gets recovered, it’ll still require a long couple years to be able to support larger scale services as they were in some capacity, especially with how technologically safe it feels when encountering most black tusk operated areas, which are mostly military tech, but its tech nonetheless and it’s mostly maintained and operated by well equipped and uniformed people, large surpluses of the tech that’s worth anything to the main civilian/ex-JTF/etc will be in their hands, with the division being a catalyst of assisting with this potentially and allowing for it not to fall into other factions hands, Atleast less so than it would be without them there.

Sorry if I kind of said a lot of nothing words but it’s a interesting topic to theorize and try to reasonably try to see into it and how it’d (semi-realistically) work

[cosmic niche]

The division as known at beginning of div1 is done. The back filling has trashed the story that was div1. Even trash what started as div2. Right now there is enough go rogue stuff that probably the first wave had it right. Second wave is the problem. Either we go rogue or we evolve into something else. The story is being used to carry the game. I take my hat off to you guys for trying to make seem logical.

[torn shoal]

the only thing society need to not fall back to the 1800s or before, its books and schools, if people can teach, people can learn, if knowledge is passed to next generation you'll be mostly fine and only set society back few decades at worst, and so far div 2 pandemic didnt get rid of that

post apocalypse scenario in fiction are very much unrealistic, same for div 2, but its entertaining thats the only goal

tbh most of the basics are taught very early and are really not hard/long to put in place, you will lose minimal knowledge and once society comes back u wont really be slowed

an example is settlements in div 2, u can see that despite everything, they put new stuff in place to ensure survival, fish tacos sound super bad but taste is irrelevant if you're fed

[true bloom]

is there anything ı can read/watch to bridge the gap between WoNY and brooklyn stories?

[torn shoal]

ngn channel has recaps for every season

[true bloom]

will check it out thank you

[amber vault]

What’s the deal with the summit. Why dos so many factions, even the minor ones, fight for control on this dusty, crusty skyscraper

[torn shoal]

cause its cool and edgy to own a 3 empty floors to then try to climb up to fight hunters

[amber vault]

Aye, fair enough

[true bloom]

for seasonal stories, is the story contained in the manhunt or is it spread throughout the season?

[obsidian jay]

Free stuff
Like
You see how many of them yoinked SHD caches and hive machines?
As well as loot dogs and random crates
Same reason we're there
Free stuff

[frosty bluff]

I just assume the other factions are these for the loot, while they're used as a cover to prevent any attacks on the hunter safehouse at the top.

[torn shoal]

both, its spread a bit but most of it is in the climax mission

[true bloom]

ok so ı can get most of the story by playing it myself great

[torn shoal]

u cant play the previous seasons anyway, only climax, u gotta do it several times to unlock all coms also

[true bloom]

damn. ı am watching it then it would seem

[amber vault]

Why doesn’t the division agent just take the summit elevator to the top floor. Are they stupid?/j

[shy comet]

I don't think the elevators can go all the way up, you find plenty of stuck elevators when trying to reach the next floor

[amber vault]

I mean we are able to take an elevator from the bottom to the top we just gotta get to the top first

[ashen jungle]

@woven pulsar Tone down the hate posting, this channel is for discussing the lore, not picking on people who are writing something for free.

[woven pulsar]

gorp oki

btw hi rivens

[ashen jungle]

Hi.
Don't post something like that again, it's an incredibly rude way to put it, and has nothing to do with this channel.

[woven pulsar]

A, though this was a lore discussion channel tho?

[ashen jungle]

Yes, discussing the lore. Not insulting and being generally rude to people.

[woven pulsar]

kk, got it

[sleek plover]

damn I hate lmb

[sick lantern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/s/MomE8rMkYA

[woven pulsar]

faction or the outfit?

[sleek plover]

both

[woven pulsar]

damn rip bliss 😔

[glad spruce]

The guy who made that map did a great job, and I give them my compliments

[glad spruce]

Okay, here's what we know so far about next season's story (Y8S1 aka Rise Up).

It focuses on Black Tusk, with the premise centered around the Division investigating the assaults they're launching across DC.

Natalya is getting desperate, it seems.

[storm wolf]

poor Natalya alwasy worked with incompetent people

[glad spruce]

Don't feel bad for her. She's a narcissistic sociopath

[storm wolf]

by the way when did baron schafter change sides? i was doing the invaded camp (forgot the name) mission yesterday and he was on black tusk side

and he is on division side at the mission "pact"

[glad spruce]

He changed sides ever since Lau told him about the Hunters and McManus , which we learn in Season 9/Y4S1

The invaded Camp White Oak is pre WONY

[storm wolf]

ah ok

i remember kelco was trying to kill him when he was in hospital or soemthing? i am relatively new only doing legacy manhunt climax missions

[late void]

The Schaeffer manhunt was him actually intending to get captured in order to switch without getting Nat suspicious

[storm wolf]

oh i missed that

[late void]

Yeah it was not obvious at the time, just turned up in comms several seasons later

He ended up in a coma, our doc who was actually a bt spy kept him under until Kelso found out, killed the doc and woke him up

Dunno why the doc didn't just kill him but hey

[storm wolf]

maybe would be too obvious, who knows? so kelco was trying to save him

[ashen jungle]

Kelso's evil twin Kelco is doing a lot of work these days.

The way I understood it, was that the Barber was keeping Schaeffer alive, on Nat's orders. I assume in case he became useful later to her.

[storm wolf]

word is kelso's voice actor is changed

[glad spruce]

Keeping him unconscious would be more apt.

[ashen jungle]

I mean she still sounds the same, and sounds like she did when I saw her in Lucifer.

[glad spruce]

Nat didn't want Schaeffer to wake up and tell the Division what he knows about Black Tusk and what must be done to stop them.

[ashen jungle]

Yeah that's what I meant by "alive". Obviously she didn't want him awake, but Nat's smart, and you don't throw away a potential asset.

[bright snow]

I should probably find a lore video for Div 2 that goes through everything chronologically but isn't six hours long.

[ashen jungle]

Those 2 things run counter to each other.

Div lore is Silmarillion levels of complicated.

[glad spruce]

Maybe I should make a website called "Previously on The Division"

[ashen jungle]

Just add a wiki page.

unless it has a timeline page already?

[glad spruce]

It does

[storm wolf]

it sounded different to me in the last one where she talks bout the true sons changing but maybe same voice

[ashen jungle]

It's entirely possible the recording process changed, or the actor herself's voice is a bit different.
but to me it sounded essentially the same.

if it's a new VA, it's probably going to be the ANNA one, she does a fair few chars.

[agile spindle]

Ok I’ve been away for like 3 years on the game what did I miss story wise (non dlc more so in the seasonal story’s)

[ashen jungle]

NGN has a good timeline video or two, I'd recommend those. There's a LOT been happening in the last 3 years.

[autumn island]

alot has happened, but it has been like 3 or 4 months in lore

[ashen jungle]

The ingame time matters very little.
Not that long ago, we had the illuminati added to the game, and people who were 100% dead are now fine and suddenly heroes.

oh and Lau is suddenly good all along, and the POTUS was a secret hero too.

[autumn island]

it feels like a chinese drama now lol

[ashen jungle]

Soap Operas usually have more consistent backstory.

[autumn island]

true, but chinese drama was the first thing that came to mind

[ashen jungle]

never seen one.
oh and there's a sorta-kinda hint that maybe the entire cause of all this, the Green Poison, may have been planned by the Cabal, or possibly they just knew about it and let it happen.

[fossil sierra]

[ashen jungle]

oh and Lau's liike, 60% still alive, because the main person who told us she was dead was working with Theo and Keener all along.

[autumn island]

i feel like we've stepped into a war with the cabal, and i'm waiting on a blue bald guy to command us around

[ashen jungle]

I genuinely did consider editing a shot of div2 with good old Lance Reddick as Manny.

consideringthatseriesalsohadanamedactordieoffthencomeback

Okay partial jokes aside, I'm being nitpicky and the lore is what it is. It's still good.

[autumn island]

which one, crow or cayde?

[ashen jungle]

Well, Nathan Fillion is the nerd-god actor there, I don't even know who plays whatshisface

the medic from halo infinite, apparently.

[autumn island]

Now I wonder if Nat refers to the agent as Sheriff, it'll be cool if she did

[ashen jungle]

"those ******" more likely.

[autumn island]

uh...?

[ashen jungle]

She's not fans of ours.

[autumn island]

That makes sense, but if she captured us, somehow, then she could do some MK ultra and make us a hunter

[ashen jungle]

"hey agent, ill give you a cool hat" - would work on me.
or maybe "here, have a bed to sleep in".

[autumn island]

"Hey agent, I see you like good looking jackets and hoodies, how about one you can recolor yourself? Or maybe... Recolorable clothes."

[ashen jungle]

next just cut to us walking back in to her office with Theo+Keener's watch.

She really should try to bribe us more.

[solemn pendant]

Do you mean safehouse for the player?

[ashen jungle]

My Agent has been standing upright for 7 years, she's tired.

[autumn island]

I mean, we have couches, if we turn off our game, our agent could have some RnR

[ashen jungle]

there's even a line at the start of BfB where Hoskins offers us a bed.

[autumn island]

I just realized, the entirety of the first half of the DC campaign is us running around with little to no rest because on how bad the sitch is

[ashen jungle]

I mean realistically, we're sleeping at the White House, but it still feels weird we've never seen it/had it mentioned even once.

[solemn pendant]

It's interesting thing

[autumn island]

Keener is easy, he's in a cell, but how are we going to quickly travel to Brooklyn without anyone alerting him, and Casey refusing to bring us to Brooklyn after killing keener

[autumn island]

I mean, we don't speak, or make sound when we get hit, so we're built different, and everyone stopped worrying about us

i mean, reviving ourselves is canon (look at reviver hives)

[ashen jungle]

As a fellow non-talker, I appreciate the silence.

[autumn island]

Wait, if we have reviver hives, can't we just use one on faye?

[ashen jungle]

She's been cremated, allegedly.

even a reviver hive can't fix dust.

[shy comet]

Cayde 6 is goated, I got excited when I saw that he got retconned

[autumn island]

"Hey... Kelso, I know its been a rough patch. But we finally got Faye cremated."

"If only we had something to revive her- Wait."

[ashen jungle]

"dont worry Agent, she was too stupid to just go "hey wait, I'm on your side secretly, so take me in and we're all good"

so its better shes gone, the average IQ has gone up"

[autumn island]

I mean, she thought scaffer told them

[ashen jungle]

I actually ran that mission again and she shoots first.

there is 0 way to avoid it.

[autumn island]

oh... well, that doesnt help lmao

[shy comet]

"I... am... sherriff" (snaps)

[autumn island]

it doesnt help that she says "You don't know what you're doing!"

[ashen jungle]

honestly, the Keslo Manhunt at Roosevelt didnt help matters.

[autumn island]

like, faye, you shot first, what the hell am I supposed to do

sit there and take it, and use a revive hive?

[ashen jungle]

"you can live without kneecaps" was my first thought, but nope.

[autumn island]

also, is it just me, but its so damn weird they took the president back to white oak, even though it was already found by the Division

[torn shoal]

I want felicia day too

[torn shoal]

place is secure, it's better to be secure than secret

[ashen jungle]

They need the rest of the remaining Firefly cast to even it out.

[torn shoal]

well obviously

and community cast if possible

[glad spruce]

Are we still hung up on Kelso killing Doctor Summers? She did us a favor

[ashen jungle]

Genuinely not even what I meant, but that bit was also awkward.

[glad spruce]

Does lore stuff dropped from PTS count as spoilers?

[sudden mortar]

I don't think so, otherwise it would have to be a private test server instead of a public one.

[stark viper]

No idea, BUT I was about to ask if anyone can share the lore from the BTSU Team 9 comms bc I'm reeaaaaally curious about those

[amber vault]

Anyone else feel the black tusk is kinda, incompetent.

Like the largest thing they did was steal a bunch of anti-virals…that were taken back

They also have a habit of their high ranking officers going rogue and trying to get revenge on division agents…and dying

[tepid ibex]

We're able to infiltrate their comms all the time, yea

[amber vault]

Like the outcasts and hyenas get away with it for being cults and gangs. The true sons killed an entire settlement, but the black tusk kinda just invaded, and got their butt kicked

They really are the potential faction

[frosty bluff]

Incompetent in combat

Somewhat great at construction

By Y12 or something, Potomac Event Center is gonna be fully complete

[amber vault]

A private army, being incompitent at combat

[little crown]

Very old callback, but I think I figured out how the cars get onto the top floor of the Riverside Gas... the building it backs onto must have some kind of parking garage that goes up to it.

Since there is a rolling garage door in the Riverside top floor with a grafitti flag on it.

[autumn island]

I mean, they could be just hiring anyone other than trained operators (due to them losing many ops to the division)

[amber vault]

Even when they hire division operatives they end up doing stuff like murdering the president

[ashen jungle]

If it's still in the PTS, I'd prefer if people used the spoiler tag.

[autumn island]

True hero of tidal basin, thunderbird, who died destroying the turbines of the hovercraft

[ashen jungle]

They realised they were a video-game helicopter and did their duty

[sick lantern]

spoilers for The Division: Hunted:
they also ||controlled Alberquque, New Mexico, and lost it. as well as Maira foiling their plans to deploy her countermeasure against the SHD network and attack the SHD Cores||

[amber vault]

<—- what does he even do

And don’t say his best

They ain’t even doin that

[sick lantern]

you mean DIAMOND?

[amber vault]

Black tusk

[sick lantern]

fail continually at their singular objective

[frosty bluff]

Making difficult-to-kill Warhounds (Sparkle, Chimera, Buddy, Lucy)

[amber vault]

Like I love black tusk, they’re my favorite faction in the game

But please give them feats. Even the damn hyenas have more feats than them

They lost Coney Island to cleaners.

They have fire proof war hounds, how do you lose to the fire faction

[sick lantern]

dripless mercs taking Ls honestly love to see it

[frosty bluff]

Hyenas, True Sons, and Outcasts are all DC-centric factions. All their accolades and information would revolve within DC. Black Tusk really has their hand everywhere across the nation. If you stay in DC , don't read the books, or play the DLCs, then they don't seem to have done much other than being a great construction & electrical company

[amber vault]

Take that back they have some aura

At least in the beginning when they feel powerful.

Dont deny the first time they were reviled to you they were cool as hell

[sick lantern]

ehhh not really to be honest never really liked how they looked

[amber vault]

They have a cool future soldier feel to them

Hyenas have the gassed up druggies
True sons are just a military
Outcasts are crazies
And black tusk are the techy super soldiers

[sick lantern]

i've seen better mercs, LMB, Black Hand from Just Cause 3 (not their JC4 designs)

[amber vault]

Eh lmb we’re kinda lame tbh

[ashen jungle]

LMB and BT are both Private Military Corporations, so hired armies.
True Sons act military, but actually aren't either.

[sick lantern]

the BT's balaclavas give a slightly odd shape to their face i think

[amber vault]

True sons are raiders in military drag

And that’s why I love them

[ashen jungle]

weirdly enough, us and the Hunters are the most official goverment troops left.

[amber vault]

I love how they think they’re better than anyone and fighting for a better tomorrow but they’re no different than the damn hyenas.

Difference is instead of rigging asthma medication they commit a WW1 on civilians

[autumn island]

Technically True Sons were JTF, and some JTF was army, so you could say that the TS was half military

[ashen jungle]

By the time of the second wave actually becoming active, most of the JTF with military experience were dead, so what we have left are the postal workers and etc. The ones that didn't join the Cleaners, basically.

Benitez was a cop, but basically the qualified people mostly died.

[amber vault]

And the waffle houses are still somehow open

It hasn’t gotten THAT bad yet

[torn shoal]

we eating fish tacos, its that bad actually

[autumn island]

Fish tacos... hm...

[torn shoal]

might aswell put pineapple on pizza

[autumn island]

Doesnt bridgette aka viper took a 2-3 hour fish taco sesh

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[glad spruce]

It was a different kind of fish taco sesh.

@amber vault And for what it's worth, I do like Black Tusk, even more than Lame Man Battalion 😛

[little crown]

I actually appreciate that Black Tusk feels like the faction that's been hit hardrest by our actions. I mean, even they comment on how their quality is going down due to the casualties we're causing.

[autumn island]

...does this mean she did faye?

[glad spruce]

Yes. They were lovers

[autumn island]

Damn, they mustve really loved fish tacos

-# and we love bullet holes ala carte

[tepid ibex]

How dare you

[glad spruce]

I don't know how to tell you.

The amount of glazing LMB gets on twitter soured me on the faction.

They act like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[sick lantern]

and the BT used to get glazed so hard people were convinced they were the good guys ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid ibex]

pshhh as if it WASN'T

[glad spruce]

Are you two gonna antagonize me more for an opinion I'M ENTITLED to?

[sick lantern]

stating a similar viewpoint =/= antagonisation

[amber vault]

I also find it funny how the hyena medics so a better job than the black tusk and true son medics

Highly advanced medical equipment allowing you to revive someone even while you’re not there < fentanyl

[shy comet]

Is there any lore on why the green poison was made?

Wasn't Gordon Amherst a russian or something?

[ashen jungle]

Oh boy.

Gordon Amherst was not Russian, he was an American who was convinced that human caused climate change was going to wipe out the entire species+planet itself, so to fix the issue, he decided to go after the contagion he saw as causing all the issues: humans.

[shy comet]

Ah interesting

I thought I read in the game that he was a Russian biochemist or something (my bad)

[ashen jungle]

all good, yeah he was an American, which explains him using infected money to spread the plague, as he saw it as a symbolism of what was causing the "contagion" in the first place.

Think of him as a sort of Thanos character, but instead of half he wanted about 90% gone.

[amber vault]

Oh god it’s not just bad he made a disease but he was a vegan. Thats even worse

[ashen jungle]

I never said he was a vegan.
but also: im pretty much a vegan myself these days, and I've barely thought about wiping out even 20% of all humans.

[amber vault]

Also something I’m gonna rant about slightly. I HATE when I see people who don’t play division suggesting that the virus of this game should mutate into a zombie virus.

If this game became a zombie game that would completely ruin the entire thing

[amber vault]

It was a joke lol

[frosty bluff]

I think you might've mistakened Vitaly Tchernenko with Amherst

[ashen jungle]

^Vitaly Tchernenkom, who was a Russian virologist, that Amherst + Kandel knew before the outbreak.
he's created a potential cure, which is why we rescued him in the Coney Island missions, and why BT stole him back later on.

[ashen jungle]

all good lol, just poking fun.
There was actually a crack about that in the recent livestream, where the game director Yannick, very specifically stated that the new DLC would not be about Zombies.

[amber vault]

If they ever add zombies I’m going to go to the divisions directors home and slowly move the furniture an inch out of place every day till it drives them insane

Or idk make their house 1/4 an inch larger on the outside (no ones going to get that reference)

[ashen jungle]

I'm just going to assume it's a TARDIS joke, but a really badly made one.

[amber vault]

House of leaves

Read it, it’s a great psychological horror

[ashen jungle]

That would make a terrible house.
the structural integrity alone! And no insulation for the winter/summer.

[torn shoal]

I know u wanna start with thoses on the banlist

[ashen jungle]

Most of them are just compromised accounts, let's be honest.

[torn shoal]

true

People not clicking on a random link challenge

tho armest was a mad man, there is précédent that lowering pop would lower global warming, it's safe to assume the next winter will be super cold

the us is knwo for their fked up weather especially tornadoes and blizzard, it should get worse in the next years ingame

shame the timeline will not go that far until div 3 (maybe)

hey, maybe we gonna get a time jump, would be neat

I wonder if they gonna go more wild on the tech/posibilities next like going more scifi

[shy comet]

That's such a dumb idea bro 😂😭

[amber vault]

I have seen people saying this MULTIPLE times

[shy comet]

Ahhh yes, right. My bad

[amber vault]

Ya know if they want to make the black tusk threatening there’s actually something pretty simple they can do

Have them invade the campus and slaughter

Could be a show of power, could be intimidation, could be putting these civilians in their place.

They just gotta make them commit an atrocity

[ashen jungle]

We could just tell people that BT are the ones responsible for killing the former POTUS, that would get people nice and scared of them.
I honestly don't think that's come up yet.

[amber vault]

I love the black tusk so I just really want them to live out their late game big bad persona.

Make them do something absolutely irredeemable and I’ll be shouting from the stands “that’s my boy!”

[ashen jungle]

Their goal so far has been to take over, not turn into supervillains, despite them being pretty evil.
it's why they kidnapped those civvies and turned them against us.

[amber vault]

But I can see a reasoning for doing something like that.

For one their commanders are genuine psychopaths.

Two, they know if your enemy fears you, it weakens them. So doing some horrible stuff can help. They already hate civilians who don’t work for them seeing them as war criminals or something so I don’t think they would have much of a problem committing war crimes themselves

[ashen jungle]

Nah it's the wrong direction for them to take. Especially with who is likely bankrolling them.

[amber vault]

Well I still want them to do SOMETHING

[ashen jungle]

They are literally going to attack DC at random for the next Season, if that helps any.

[amber vault]

That does

Let’s hope they don’t get betrayed again

They really need to stop trusting rogue agents

[ashen jungle]

They really don't need the Rogues, the Hunters are working with them.

and lets face it, Hunters are better than Rogues.

[amber vault]

Hunters are better than division agents definitely

Still below the sherif though the sherif has named warhammer character levels of bull

And when I say named I mean like Malum Caedo or Titus

[ashen jungle]

I believe the nerd term is "main character special?.

[amber vault]

That’s the word yeah

[glad spruce]

It's a video game, so the protagonist is always supposed to win.

[tepid ibex]

Far cry 5

[sleek plover]

lol

[amber vault]

I’m slandering the black tusk a lot but I completely forgot they re-stole the bio-reactor

[autumn island]

Only good thing they did

[frosty spoke]

I actually like that about BT, that they don't go all comical villain "raaarrr, obey us or else!", and try to win common people's hearts. At least they do a better job in propaganda department than Division/JTF/Eva Garcia

[sick lantern]

nothing says hearts and minds like public executions

[glad spruce]

Maybe those civilians had bad vibes

[torn shoal]

well, u know criminals are bad and they are the police now so thats legit

[frosty spoke]

Nothing says hearts don't like rebuilt infrastructure, and all those "civvies" in public executions looked pretty JTF to me so far

[sick lantern]

focusing on the victims of the executions is kind of missing the point that executing people in public is a Very Bad Thing

[torn shoal]

isnt the us known for that ?

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[wicked gorge]

Damn I hate the peacekeepers

[sick lantern]

damn I hate the civilian militia

[tepid ibex]

damn i hate

[sudden mortar]

Damn I hate the PMCs are the villains plot.

[shut frigate]

8 days until division resurgence!

[storm crystal]

So do i get this right - the Cleaner Boss was an BT Undercover Agent in Brooklyn stirring the pot making deepfakes of Aaron Keener?
So was WONY dlc now actually Keener or was it a deepfake?

[frosty bluff]

The Keener at Liberty Island was a deepfake created by Theo for Keener.

The Keener was a deepfake created by Black Tusk for Black Tusk operations

[glad spruce]

Turns out having an augmented reality tech used to make a combat simulation program have other uses for it, as well.

[amber vault]

I didn’t even fight the real keener. He kicked my butt and it wasn’t even the real thing

[storm crystal]

Ok but so the plan to bomb Manhatten with this deadly Virus was indeed Keeners plan?

[frosty bluff]

Yep

[storm crystal]

So he is insane

[frosty bluff]

But they rewrote it so Keener was using the Eclipse virus to eliminate Hunter/Cal loyalists

Castle Clinton is a very interesting story though

[storm crystal]

lol i mean sure, they tried to, he still tried to fire a missle with a virus on manhatten on everyone still living there... thats a psychopath move still

[frosty bluff]

A comm says its a hideout for those loyalists, however, if one does the mission, there is a guy that survives. He essentially happens to be the only non-loyalist in the entire compound

[amber vault]

I wonder if other countries had their own versions of the division

Though lore wise most contries had it easier

[frosty bluff]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Castle_(New_York)

Everyone still at Castle Clinton when we attacked was either a Hunter or one of Cal's loyalists. Except the guy we put in the chamber, and your agents rescued him, so no harm no foul.

[glad spruce]

Doubt it.

[ashen jungle]

An Incursion where it's a special forces team from a former US ally would be fun, just one coming in to steal the Reactor or something.

as a Matthew Reilly fan, I'm biased towards it being the SAS.

[sleek plover]

SAS actaully sounds really good

or maybe mi6

[ashen jungle]

Nah, actual troops.
that way we can get british and australians in there, since we are both in the circle.

[torn shoal]

doubt they would care about the us when they can barely handle themselves

[crude atlas]

it would be easier than you think

[glad spruce]

Is there a good reason for the Division to go outside the US, though?

[crude atlas]

he asked if other countries had Division counterparts, which is doable

and the reason....lore wise Green Flu is a worldwide pandemic at stage of Division 2 events

i can think of at least few institutions that would create Division counterpart in my country, probably mixing some preexistent structures or units, but totally doable

[crude atlas]

what Keener tried to achieve by WONY bioattack plan?

[sinful mauve]

Probably other countries got their own Agents or mostly task force who specialized in chemical warfare

(yes with the debunk theory of Hunters being Russians, i guess Russia got Hunters as their agents jk)

[floral gull]

Seems Black Tusk Team 9 has a new BT character that created them judging by the new Retaliation comms

[ashen jungle]

I mean, probably just whoever took over from Schaeffer.

[wicked gorge]

The furthest they would go is probably the Canadian and Mexican borders. Only realistic reason for them to leave the us is to hunt someone serious like Aaron Keener level status but even then, they’d lose almost all of their official power and probably tech stability the further they move from the border

[glad spruce]

And that what doesn't kill Nat simply makes her angry

[wicked gorge]

Nat would probably be the only reason the division would be given clearance if she stationed herself in international waters or somewhere outside us registration. Would be a actual cool concept to see the division piggyback off the Diamond system in order to use their tech and comns

[floral gull]

Strategic Homeland Division

Save what remains by Extrema Remedia

[lucid mural]

I've seen videos on what people think about what happened to our Agents in New York
But pretty sure they were just theories, anyone got any fun ones or is there a guarentee this is what happened to my all purple yakuza agent

[ashen jungle]

There is no set canon to what happened to our Div1 Agent, but the dialogue from Kandel at the start of BfB does sort of half-jokingly imply that we're the same person.

[autumn island]

Really? Was it in the opening mission of bfb?

Also if she half jokingly said that, and we were the same agent, WHERE THE HELL IS OUR DRIP FROM DIV1!

[cosmic niche]

As a concept Division agents are sleeper cells. They are local to the US. No bilateral cooperation going on and not inter agency. The fluff that is parchwork of the division story might ignore all that. But no sense in trying to make sense of it using logic. Tom clancy wrote a book called rainbow six. Its a good read and does go into what a bilateral cooperative element might look like.

[sick lantern]

the division is authorised under NSPD51 in response to the findings of Operation Dark Winter, that the USA was not prepared for a catastrophic bioterrorist attack
i would say the SHD is a product of the uniquely American intelligence state they have

[torn shoal]

i dont understand why people want the division to go outside the us when its supposed to be homeland division not outsideland division

[bright snow]

Probably a change of scenery or diversity.

[past dome]

You can have any type of scenery in the USA

[twilit valve]

good morning from portugal

[obtuse chasm]

when does Manny and Mari Singh become a thing? is it after the event of classified assignment?

[bright snow]

You do not get the scenery of Indian rainforests or the Japanese mountains or Alaskan wilds.

[past dome]

I understand. But the United States has just about every type of scenery to some degree. From snowy mountains to barren deserts, great forests, dense wetlands.
Also Alaska is in the United States.

[sick lantern]

and Hawaii

[past dome]

Yes. Hawaii has some pretty awesome rain forests, and volcanos

[bright snow]

You know what I mean, though? We can substitute Alaska with something else. Even though the US has sceneries it isn't really the same, is it. Now I can see the reasoning that the whole project is a US government thingamajig and all that, and realism points would dictate that all the locations must be inside US borders.

[sick lantern]

but why, tho
the plot is about the USA and the USA has a diverse selection of environments

it’s not necessary and it’s not internally consistent to have a division game outside the US

[autumn island]

I would like to see the foresty part of oregon (biased due to Days Gone, the best motorcycle story game) or Arizona. (Iced tea.) Reasons why? I'd like to see how'd they adapt in the climates

[bright snow]

It isn't necessary and not internally consistent, sure. What I would think people want is diversity and other places than the US. Or I would assume so.

[sick lantern]

PNW is a beautiful place

[autumn island]

Why cant we get humvees or motorcycles for the div agents?

[fossil sierra]

Have you seen the roads?

I can kinda get the bikes but humvees

[autumn island]

Put a shield ram thing on the front and ram through the abandoned stuff

-# if the jtf and bt can use humvees we should get somr aswell!

[fossil sierra]

If both share same speed, I guess

I can see Humvee being a transport for when you're in group and dirtbike if you're solo or in duo

But otherwise, I dunno, maps except DC might feel to small, especially Brooklyn

WONY is just too cramped to comfortably to travel by car or motorcycle

And really, only White House got a garage, rest of safehouses are underground, you'd have to retake control points in order to repair your ride imo

[sick lantern]

purely gameplay reasons

[autumn island]

That would be a good trade off, and it would be fun riding a motorcycle righr into a cp and drive by them with the oxpecker or ouroborous

[fossil sierra]

Eh

[crude atlas]

Honestly i think that even if not going by Division name, putting Division counterpart from other countries would be refreshing and totally plausable

other franchises of Clancys have foreign ( towards US) input from beginning, first Ghost Recon had possibility to choose from NATO operators and Rainbow Six series had Europeans as well

all it would take to create such a cadre is a recruitment from internal security, counter intelligence and CBRN MERT teams of SFs, all of this stuff is already existing

[torn shoal]

then they can find it in other games ? div doesnt have to catter to everyone taste and its fine, some games do some stuff, other games do other stuff

the div is about urban warfare, not rainforest shroom gathering

like why the fk would div agents go into the rain forest to begin with ? nothing to gain, everything to lose, and after doing the mission 3 times u seen it all and its just another background u will ignore

[crude atlas]

that's short perspective

in terms of looking for cures for biological infections forrest trips can happen

[torn shoal]

not really ? agents dont wander in the wild for no reason, their goal is to restore order and save what remains, what order is there in rainforest and whats remaining ?
looking for cure isnt div agent jobs, its virologists, and sciencists in general, we are here to fight, not to gather some plants

[crude atlas]

Division is made to fight pandemics, which involves looking for a cure

[torn shoal]

no, div is made to restore order when everything else falls apart

[cosmic niche]

No it isnt plausible. Your a sleeper cell. A member of society with special training to activate when called upon. That is not a military unit like rainbow 6. Rainbow6 is based on us army barracks. Is sf with elements from allied countries.

[torn shoal]

you're a sleeper agent, not some guy with virology training

you're proficient in gun combat, not looking what shroom is edible or not

[crude atlas]

and for sure something like division would hold virusologist and RnD as a support team

[torn shoal]

no

the point of a sleeper agent is to not go around collecting sample of viruses to analyse them

its to fade in the background and not be noticed, u know, cold war style

litterally the point of all thoses books

[crude atlas]

bro you just having short perspective and no real info about how stuff like that really works. Game cuts down to action just because it is selling the best

[torn shoal]

no, thats your only pov, we are soldiers, thats it

u cant just say "its not in the game cause it doesnt sell" when its only u seeing the game like that and nobody else including devs making the game

[crude atlas]

you also hold pov and press it badly

[torn shoal]

my man, devs made the game this way cause thats what they wanted to do

if they wanted to do a walking in jungle simulator they would, nothing stopping them

ubi doesnt dictate everything, they only care it brings money in some form, the game doesnt matter

which is basically the goal of most games

they made some "look at this scenery" spots in the game, its purely for aesthetics, it doesnt sell more, they wanted to do it and they did

[crude atlas]

but are we talking what Division do in game or what it would do if they would exist for real

[torn shoal]

for real ? man they dont exist for real and never would have, its a fiction work

people dont take 500 shots to the head to die in the real world, so

[crude atlas]

ofc not but that's not the thing

[torn shoal]

div 2 especially really stray away from realism very hard

cause realism kills games, fun makes games alive

[sick lantern]

talk about a blanket statement

[torn shoal]

still holds true

[crude atlas]

i wouldnt say that realism kilka games

[shy comet]

Some of the best selling games are realistic

[crude atlas]

kills games

[torn shoal]

are they fun tho ?

[sick lantern]

if you're going to reply to me why even bother blocking me

[crude atlas]

lot of a folk are simply too casual

[shy comet]

Depends on your attitude

[torn shoal]

its fine ? people like different games, everybody has different tastes

[shy comet]

Anyways, Lyfe, this is a lore channel

[crude atlas]

plus player community lowered down in years

[torn shoal]

yes, i was talking about lore

then somehow it turned to "i was talkinga bout real life" for some reason

which doesnt work, its not realistic in any capacity, div 2 full fiction

[sick lantern]

you seem to be forgetting to continual times Agents had to gather virus data and samples and whatnot

[shy comet]

Assassino wasn't actually implying that the division is real

[torn shoal]

gathering lost samples isnt the same as wandering in the wild colelcting flowers and analyzing them

[crude atlas]

anyway Ubi said they are considering going worldwide with Division 3 and its expandions

[shy comet]

Read his message again, also we've done missions to secure antivirals and stuff before

[torn shoal]

not what i said either

[crude atlas]

i literally pointed that

[torn shoal]

u have a source for that ?

[crude atlas]

live with Ubi devs on 10 anniversary

[torn shoal]

i watched it, didnt say that

[sick lantern]

and gathering wildflowers isn't a real part of modern day pandemic response, as far as I know

[crude atlas]

ive been on it

[torn shoal]

ok, but that doesnt tell me what they said specifically

[crude atlas]

i dont think you watched it from start to finish

[torn shoal]

again, that doesnt tell me what u think they said specifically

[shy comet]

Honestly it would be cool if the world reached a level of stability that allowed the UN or some sort of coalition to deploy it's own version of the division, and we were selected to be a part of the program after we showed our stuff in NYC and DC

[crude atlas]

It wouldnt get into global unit grade

[torn shoal]

un doesnt ahve jurisdiction for that and if the world was stable we wouldnt need that

[shy comet]

Stable enough

[torn shoal]

whats "enough"

[crude atlas]

since each place responded different on the pandemic, respond needs to be customised locally

[shy comet]

Partially rebuilt governments that have the ability to contact other countries governments

[torn shoal]

yeah, thats why the countries do it themselves, not the un

also 90% of the un is dead so its not like they could handle world wide pandemic when they cant handle themselves

[shy comet]

Also my bad, "worldwide" in D3 could imply a number of things

[crude atlas]

well Div 2 shows that even powerhorse like US have its gov basically killed off

[torn shoal]

also yeah whats "worldwide", u didnt answer

[shy comet]

Look it's just an idea, nothing more. Also I didn't mean UN specifically, I also said that some sort of coalition between the countries could lead to something like that

[torn shoal]

im pretty sure most contries already struggle to handle themselves, i dont see them going in other places to help when they dont even know if their gov is friendly or not anymore

[crude atlas]

worldwide means that's they are thinking about making perspectives from different parts of the world

[torn shoal]

no, thats what u think it means, whats the actual quote

cause if they said "we release div worldwide" thats not the same

[crude atlas]

in Div 2 you can get files about development of green flu in different places

[torn shoal]

thats just voice coms, not missions, please answer my question

[crude atlas]

bro i know english good enough to know the meanings stop being picky

[shy comet]

Nobody is gonna watch an entire video just to find a quote buddy

[torn shoal]

im not saying its false, im asking the quote man

cause you're the only one saying that in the entire server, so i doubt it

especially when they said multiple times they will focus only in the us

[crude atlas]

when and where do they said that they will stand only within US

[torn shoal]

so, u dont need to quote, but i do now ?

[shy comet]

💀

[torn shoal]

yeah, im out, not interested in discussion like that

[crude atlas]

literally at one point one guy said that they are considering to put action of Division franchise in different parts of the world, giving more worldwide perspective, they didnt said it will be for sure in Div3 or it will be for sure, but have idea like that

they can make DLCs or spin offs

It was respond of devs to live chat question

comms/ files available in Div2 are already building setup for approach like that, and judging the fact that pandemic created tensions worldwide and some countries touched by it are holding nuclears, making Division counterparts that are fighting civilian unrest and stabilizing situation after gov collapse is highly logical

[bright snow]

I answered a question you proposed, I'm not here to advocate for going global with the Division franchise. As simple as that.

[torn shoal]

yeah, i just answered why it wouldnt make sense, u didnt answer my question, u answered to someone else

[bright snow]

I'm sorry, what question didn't I answer? I must've missed it.

[torn shoal]

none, i didnt ask any, u replied to someone else

[bright snow]

Ah alright, I see.

[hexed garden]

The division is american based and solely meant for the security of the US and restoring the US. The virus most likely did escape the US but no division agents are leaving the US. Their priority is the US and the US alone while any other countries gotta handle it on their own

[torn shoal]

also sending armed troops to another country is just called an invasion and war so, not really div gameplay

more like cod gameplay

[hexed garden]

Exactly, division agents aren't necessarily international stationed military either, they're called agents because that's exactly what they are. In other words super cops that are undercover

[torn shoal]

now that i think about it, cuba should be doing fine since the virus need people to travel and nobody can go there

very remote islands should be fine too, but life wouldnt be great there cause it would be very lacking

[hexed garden]

Yeah theres a couple places that should be fine, cuba, north korea, etc

[torn shoal]

i mean, fine as "not people dropping like flies", but yeah lol

[crude atlas]

North Korea is messed up without the virus XD

[crude atlas]

they dont need to place US division there though

[glad spruce]

Can y'all stopw ith your obsession of wanting the Division world-wide? Jesus christ!

[bright snow]

That's all good and well, but for sake of argument: they could just as easily do a spinoff in the Japanese mountain ranges called The Division: Akaishi or whatever.

[glad spruce]

There is no division equalvent in any other country. And if there was, they'll be called different!

Effin hell!

[bright snow]

Do they need to? No, of course not. But people are acting like it would be absurd.

[crude atlas]

lore wise it is not stated anything like it

and its stupid to assume that only US would make structure to fight worldspan pandemic

[glad spruce]

Then drop the topic

[crude atlas]

why

[sick lantern]

it would be absurd

[sick lantern]

cus Hawkster thinks he's the sole arbitrator of what does and doesn't warrant discussion lmao

[glad spruce]

It's been going on for hours and no one will agree on anything.

[hexed garden]

Ngl to you dude ion think this is a topic that needs to be debated this hard. Unfortunately the division being outside of the US is just unfortunately unrealistic and the conversation is clearly annoying some people so it's best to just drop it. No need to go around the world when theres still SO MANY states of the US that haven't even been visited yet

[crude atlas]

anyway if it comes to lore, did PTS testing shown any upcoming story elements?

[glad spruce]

||We got comms of BTSU Team 9. the Elite Black Tusk kill squad featured exclusively in Y8S1's run.||

[crude atlas]

is that what season Manhunt will be all about?

[glad spruce]

No

The Manhunt is focused on us agents dealing with Black Tusk's attacks across D.C

Who's the Manhunt target, we won't know until the Climax Mission.

[crude atlas]

and there is no such an info yet

isn't it?

[glad spruce]

Not until they release the patch notes the day before the season's release.

[crude atlas]

where is Kelso as for now storywise?

[glad spruce]

Still on D.C, keeping a low profile

[crude atlas]

is she baddie now?

[torn shoal]

cause they said devs said content coming next is outside the us lol

also no other countries have anything like the us, cause the cold war sleeper agent stuff is specifically about the cold war, so us/ussr, nobody else, thats where tom clancy stories come from

the div is applying the sleeper agent cell to today, but still the same basis

[crude atlas]

thats a long stretch to assume only CCCP/ US had sleeper agents

also sleeper agent is a term connected with espionage, Division is falling more under crisis respone, so sleeper agent term doesnt apply

[frigid urchin]

so... I hope im not alone when i say this but recently i Feel like im constantly being observed by hunters. They for some reason appear ether in outpost or around them and quickly disappear the moment i put my sight on them

does anybody know whats going on?

[crude atlas]

where?

[torn shoal]

ye there are random hunters in some roofs looking for u sometimes, they disapear when i aim at them

[frigid urchin]

yes that

[torn shoal]

u can cheese them and kill them but they dont give any special loot

its just for the ambiance/feeling someone over ur shoulder

[sick lantern]

the SHD are literally sleeper agents tho

[frigid urchin]

and that is creeping me out. Lets not forget that the hunters are only loyal to Mc Menace

[torn shoal]

when i talk about cold war sleeper agents its in fiction not reality, it was a very overused concept to talk about trust/betrayal/beliefs/etc cause it was about something huge and spies were everywhere and the ultimate spy is the one native from that place

[torn shoal]

there are actual hunters to kill if u wanna do their puzzles

[crude atlas]

imo they are more similar to voluntery national guard, firefighters or some local crisis respond teams

[sick lantern]

They were embedded in the populace in secret and then activated. They are literally, unambiguously, sleeper agents

[torn shoal]

shd agents were supposed to be activated in case of an attack, making the enemy fear everyone including civilians, the pandemic just made them necessary cause factions caused too much trouble

[crude atlas]

i dont think you guys know the sleeper agent definition because by its definition its explained why Division are not sleepers

[torn shoal]

from wikipedia : Facing the collapse of law and order, the United States government activates sleeper agents in the population who work for the Strategic Homeland Division

yeah, i was right the first time, u dont know what you're talking about and you think your own pov is the only right one

[crude atlas]

yes Division was activated but a) they arent operating in another country, but inland, b) they aren't born in different country, transported out of it and have whole fake biography crafted

[torn shoal]

sleeper agent just need to be embedded, no need to travel or anything else

[crude atlas]

A sleeper agent is a spy or operative who is placed in a target country or organization, not to undertake an immediate mission, but instead to act as a potential asset on short notice if activated in the future.[not verified in body] Even if not activated, the "sleeper agent" is still an asset and can still play an active role in sabotage, sedition, espionage, or possibly treason (if enlisted to act against their own country), by virtue of agreeing to act if activated.[not verified in body] A team of sleeper agents may be referred to as a sleeper cell, possibly working with others in a clandestine cell system.

[torn shoal]

yeah, at no point in the definition it is said to be placed in another country

[crude atlas]

also from wikipedia, maybe they named them sleeper agents from lack of better word, but Division arent really sleepers

[torn shoal]

thats the litteral definition of sleeper agent, embedded in the population

u should read the wiki article you just copy and paste

[crude atlas]

ekhm....espionage

but nvm im not going into discussion with you

[sick lantern]

"a spy or operative placed in a target country" they are operatives and the target country is the US. good lord

[torn shoal]

espionnage doesnt require to go to another country + not required doesnt mean forbidden, u can be sleeper agent anywhere including your own country

read the wiki article u quote before saying the opposite you're quoting man

u can be sleeper agent anywhere, in enemy country, or friendly, or your own

[sick lantern]

#fanart-and-photomode message
"The core concept of the SHD- embedding highly trained sleeper agents in local communities"

[torn shoal]

in enemy country, thats usually espionnage, in your own country, its not, cause the div isnt about espionnage in case u didnt notice

[crude atlas]

no shyet sherlock

[torn shoal]

i have to state the obvious cause u cant even read the article u quoted

a sleeper agent doesnt need to be for espionnage, doesnt need to be in a foreign country, div agents are sleeper agents

stop thinking only you hold the truth when u dont even read what u quote or create quote from thin air

[crude atlas]

man either switch the tone or just dont talk to me at all

[torn shoal]

the tone match your lack of arguments

bring arguments or proofs, then we can talk

[crude atlas]

u also couldnt argument yourself previously

[torn shoal]

litterally the wiki article u quoted says what i said, so i dont even need to do that, u did that for me

also "no u" isnt an argument

[shy comet]

I've heard about those, they're called stalker hunters, and you're supposed to spot them without letting them know you've spotted them (look around without aiming) and if you hit them and kill them they might drop a random Hunter mask

Or at least that's what I've heard

[glad spruce]

I've never once heard of that.

Probably some made-up nonsense some community members had made

[torn shoal]

no they dont, the hunter mask only drop from puzzle hunters, the open world hunter drop normal loot like any normal elite

[shy comet]

My bad

[torn shoal]

np, its a common thing people think is true cause they never manage to kill them

[shy comet]

I read that theres a chance that it'll drop a mask

Ah I see

[torn shoal]

if u want hunter mask, u need to do the puzzle, then fight the hunter (very hard), and then collect their mask

there are a few in each city, and sometimes they add a few

the puzzle to solve can range from "go there and press a button" to "u need to be litterally sherlock holmes or u never gonna figure it out"

so i highly suggest u read a guide to find out how to solve it cause damn some are insanely complicated and precise

[shy comet]

I've completed half the puzzle hunter encounters in DC and I've been trying to do NYC ones

But I think I'm gonna move onto brooklyn because I've heard the BfB masks look better since they have balaclavas instead of bandanas under them

[torn shoal]

u can check what mask they drop on google, but i think bfb mask are neat (also easier to do)

[crude atlas]

ehh what?

[echo turret]

Translation: I require individuals to level up in Conflict in order to acquire the exclusive Rogue outfit set

[crude atlas]

is this outfit time limited?

[glad spruce]

No.

And the guy who asked should ask in the lfg channel, instead

[crude atlas]

would you run survival game set in Division universe where you play as April Kelleher?

[amber vault]

I wanna see in the next game the enemies commentating on how they’re leaving gas and propane, valuable resources made scare due to the fall of civilization…just scattered around randomly

Becuase every single faction is terrible at storing highly flammable and explosive material

[outer yarrow]

i mean it would make sense for less sophisticated factions to leave resources lying around, especially if there's poor leadership mixed in as well, but factions like the LMB or True Sons that have actual logistics? No way

[amber vault]

There is a really simple reason for it

It’s just gameplay

You gotta give the environmental damage guys soemthing to shoot

[outer yarrow]

true, it would be funny for dialogue to include how theyre putting explosive materials on EVERY countertop available though

[amber vault]

“Well it’s so if someone hides here we can shoot them”

“Well why don’t we put any over there”

“Well we aren’t planning do them to come from over there”

The division then comes from over there

[outer yarrow]

"Doesn't it bother you that we place highly flammable gasoline canisters all over the base which is highly flammable as well?" "Yeah it does, heard that's how they got Alex that way"

[crude atlas]

if some faction would hold large amount of fuel, storywise Division would come exactly at this place and blow it up. Partially we seen already bit of this in WONY

[bitter cloud]

Anyone else love the environmental story telling in this game?

My favourite is the DCD headquarters. You can just tell they were swamped due to the amount casualties happening with the virus and that they gave up with proper storage, unless that was the outcasts .

[sleek plover]

They have logistics

they steal.and take from the weak

[outer yarrow]

acquisition and allocation, logically they would either be stowing it or sticking it in storage

[outer yarrow]

its soooo good in td1, the trash, bodybags, and disarrayed apartments are all really well done

[sinful mauve]

so anyone who defeated Shattered Hunter playing master on the climax mission in this season, theres a hidden detail that when you kill him you see his backpack has propane tanks, those were on his prosthetic arm. if he downed, he probably gonna ignite it with that propane tank strapped on his arm

makes sence his mask blows up half... poor guy

[ashen jungle]

You can also see them if you buy the outfit, they're a part of it.

If you wanted an easier time to see them.

[sinful mauve]

yeah. i find it interesting he still holds other 2 propane tanks from his backpack after got his hands blown up even his mask. This hunter cheated death to extreme but i guess now we put him out of his misery

[torn shoal]

that hunter isnt canon but its a funny model they took for him

[ashen jungle]

There's currently no canon AFAIK, but don't assume there will never be.

[torn shoal]

iirc a dev said so on twitter when people started asking about that hunter arm

tho i might not remember entirely it was a while ago now

[glad spruce]

You mean the tweet from Palle Hoffestein? IIRC, he mentioned the Shattered Hunter was like a "what if" idea.

[rich lark]

Is there any lore on other states besides new York and DC

[frosty bluff]

Mhm, but those are told in the books

[autumn island]

Not much, other than its ravaged like the rest of dc and nyc. We were going to get silvercreek tho, but that got canned

[ashen jungle]

I need to start putting subway surfers videos in my comments.

[autumn island]

Whys that riv?

[ashen jungle]

I'd prefer if you avoided pinging me when I've got my name set to red, ta.

[autumn island]

Sorry, my bad

[glad spruce]

Is posting lore drops from Resurgence not allowed in here?

[torn shoal]

i dont see why, its the lore channel, put spoiler tag if needed but thats it

[shy comet]

Whatever state that Division: Heartland would've taken place in

Oh wait someone already mentioned that

[amber vault]

Fun fact

Your division agent has most likely commuted multiple war crimes

And will commit more

You sick bastard

[tepid ibex]

Deyhaytuscusdeyanus

[torn shoal]

at this point i dont think anybody cares tbh

[amber vault]

I know

[rich lark]

I mean uhh pestilence is a War crime

It's Plague rounds and bio warfare

[amber vault]

Just the entire survivalist specialization

And everything that relates to it

You can’t purposefully set enemy combatants on fire

[tepid ibex]

Yeah but im wearing the Umbrella patch so it makes it okay

[sick lantern]

you can, actually

damaging civilian infrastructure is the war crime

[ashen jungle]

SHD Agents are exempt from the whole "warcrime" thing anyway. We like to make jokes, but that's part of the reason why Rhodes is annoyed at us.

[amber vault]

Like I get Rhodes thing. He may be our j Jonah Jamison but division agents don’t have the checks and balances a normal military has. A necessary evil given the circumstances

[torn shoal]

well, the point of the first game was that it was a bad idea, and that why rogues happenned

the 2nd game said idc let's have fun shooting things which is for the better imo it's less problems

[ashen jungle]

.....riiiiiiight

Just gonna slowly back away now.

[bright snow]

And honestly for good reason.

[sleek plover]

Fun fact, Rhodes himself is Ex LMB

[torn shoal]

wait rivens 😃
dont u trust me 🙂
im friendly, def not rogue 🙂

[glad spruce]

....

[torn shoal]

dont trust hawkster i saw him killing civilians im sure he rouge

[frosty bluff]

Sometimes during my boredom, I go and try to find Div2 locations that I'm unsure of on Google Maps, which I really shouldn't do since these locations that I'm unsure of tend to have drastically changes compared to their probable irl location...

idk this time I felt like doing a bit more research on H5 Refinery's location and I really can't make sense of it.

Army Terminal & The Art Museum are accurate in distance so I followed that up with H5's and have two locations that fit within the distance in Newtown Creek but they both aren't accurate to the in-game layout of the surrounding places

[torn shoal]

the layout is changed to suit the cover based gameplay

also the arena + corridor pace, u go through a corridor, enter an arena to kill people, then do the corridor again, its the typical gameplay that works for the game

its the same pattern in almost everygame, almost no game changes it unless it has a purpose specifically, cause the pacing is what people likes most

thats why usually when u enter a big room = arena that will be locked down until u kill everything and/or do the objective

[frosty bluff]

That is more about internal layout. I was wondering about the possible real world location of H5 Refinery

The two possible ones I've come up with, at least for distance, would be somewhere in [ East Williamsburg, Brooklyn ] or next to the Pulaski Bridge in Long Island City --of which both have and lack qualities the others have. Of course, I know the H5 isn't a real location and made up for the game, but I still wanted to find where they could've placed it in the real world

[torn shoal]

tbh the area is crawling with places like that, raffineries arent something rare to see

half the stuff we live with is made or work with refined oil in some capacity after all

and thoses damn cleaners wanna take everything from us

[glad spruce]

Speaking of NGN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqopoeWMszM

[ionic halo]

Yea new lore video let’s go!

Took him a bit I don’t think much of anything changed besides like year 7 so surely the video doesn’t have anything new besides just year 7 lore right?

[glad spruce]

It's basically a recap from Division 1 up until Division 2 year 7

[ionic halo]

I mean Ik that but he has it broken down into sections with explaining each type of lore. Like the virus the division itself hunters the base game dlcs. I’m just asking since we have gotten a lot of new lore since theirs last time he made this video is their any new lore that expands on what he showed/said in his last video. Like idk new lore on hunters on the presidents or cleaners or is it only just the year 7 seasons

[torn shoal]

the pandemic is kinda over by now so the virus stuff is kinda forgotten for now, the bsav is still an objective but def not the highest priority rn

[frosty bluff]

-# I noticed a small typo, where Andrew Ellis got his education at the "Navel Academy" 😆

[bright snow]

I just started watching the earlier 2025 version, I'll switch to the new one then.

[wicked gorge]

Did he go into more detail on the later seasons or is it everything after shades of red?

[ionic halo]

I mean the video seems to only be an extra 40mins compared to the previous video he made so I’m assuming he only added the year 7 seasons and ig any year 6 seasons if he missed any

[proven escarp]

Isnt one of the SHD Tech turrets a warcrime or smth?

[shy comet]

Prolly incinerator, yeah

I think Coop makes most of those additional platforms for each skill though

[sick lantern]

“The protocol prohibits, in all circumstances, making the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects, the object of attack by any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Incendiary_Weapons

not a war crime to use incendiary weapons against valid targets

[maiden sparrow]

We just call it an Aquired Taste.... lol

[torn shoal]

it's still a war crime to cause unecessary pain such as fire burns, that's why most fire weapon are banned like white phosphorus

and yes half our weapons are war crime material but who cares

[autumn island]

Live pestilence reaction:

[torn shoal]

wait until u learn about explosive rounds lol

[ionic halo]

Is it really a war crime if u aren’t even at war?

An even then if no one is able to prosecute it then like did it really happen?

Btw it’s a joke please no one take me seriously

[torn shoal]

sadly this goes into the "no politic" rules anyway

[sick lantern]

White Phosphorus isn’t banned.

[ionic halo]

Well I meant in terms of the game anyways

But eh does being up a interesting moral level to our agents. Sure we have the authority to take another persons life if they are threatening people but are we allowed to use our tools to do unspeakable things to them? Such as for example incinerator turrets.

But eh no point to dwell on it. Not like we can do anything that crazy anyways.

[torn shoal]

ingame there is no rules beside what isac says basically

the only rule is dont go rogue and even this one isnt really set in stone now

[ionic halo]

I mean tbf Leo hacked the watch so like

He is technically still rogue just his watch is like nah u good homie

[torn shoal]

yeah I guess if u do that then u good

[ionic halo]

Can’t wait for him to update this next year and now have the story from in between division 1 and 2 with division resurgence since that takes place after division 1 but before 2 right?

[crude atlas]

resurgence takes place before Division 1

[autumn island]

Its after the main story of div1, but before div 2, inbetwrrn

[ashen jungle]

And before div1 too, apparently.

[autumn island]

I think its a prologue section

[ashen jungle]

Correct, at least from what little I've read.

I'd rather not know too much tbh, games have a bad time in keeping plot twists secret.

[crude atlas]

not at all

Division 1 guys are already Second Wave, Resurgence is about First wave

so that means it will be pre- Division 1 events and maybe somehow the plot will last side of Division 1 events, finishing inbetween of ending of part 1 and begining of part 2

[autumn island]

Yes, but our agent in resurgence goes into coma after prologue, then wakes up after we defeat the lmb

[crude atlas]

of that i havent heard of

[autumn island]

What do you mean by this?

[crude atlas]

i havent heard of this coma plot

[autumn island]

Its in the main trailer of resurgence?

[crude atlas]

i only have read about resurgence, havent watched the trailer

anyway if thats how they want to play it off, imo they messed up the chance of making it really interesting

[autumn island]

Most of the prologue is before div 1, then you got in a chopper crash, and well... coma, a month later, kandell wakes you up and faye gives you the sitrep

[crude atlas]

so basically they made it from being original to survival/ Division 1 story intro ripoff

lame

[ashen jungle]

It's a video-game, there's a better than average chance of a helicopter crashing.

[torn shoal]

thunderbird would have loved to know that fun fact lmao

[crude atlas]

how to play Resurgence on PC?

[shy comet]

It doesn't release until tomorrow I think

[ashen jungle]

@crude atlas You need a 3rd party program that can run apps, which won't be officially supported, but the devs aren't actively banning for.
It's a mobile game after all.
but this is the lore discussion channel, you're best off asking the Resurgence discord.

[crude atlas]

ok but i dont think we have resurgence channel yet

[ashen jungle]

It's a different server.

[autumn island]

Hey atleast he stopped the antivirals from getting away, the absolute goat

I just realized how large of a menace 'Sheriff' is (our player character)

-Came into D.C to help out the sitch
-Helps out all settlements
-Destroys all of the strongholds of enemy factions
-Destroys the Black Tusk
-Makes everything easier for the settlement leaders.

-# i need to hear more comms about sokolova learning about our escapades from the entirety of Div2 and either saying she needs to mk ultra us, or put us down for good lmao

[sick lantern]

you know the head of MKUltra said that the program was more or less a failure

something like "not a high payoff program" with "as many failures as successes"

[autumn island]

But there ARE successes. That means they could brainwash us to become a hunter

[ashen jungle]

Just a general reminder to not let this swing into IRL stuff.

[autumn island]

My bad, but just saying tho, if Sokolova can get us, the sheriff, into her ranks, the BT will actually win

[ashen jungle]

We're just as vulnerable as any other of the dead Agents.

[sick lantern]

do you mean like, actual brainwashing or "jedi mind trick" brainwashing

[autumn island]

Both? I dunno

My agent would really love a cool looking blue jacket and a good looking haircut lmao, and if sokolova can bring him that, well yknow

[sick lantern]

well the second isn't really possible afaik and the first probably isn't enough to break the sheriff's convictions giving everything they've been through

[autumn island]

True, they've been thrown everything the BT and DC has to offer, I dont think theyll be switching sides soon

[torn shoal]

we are not just a single agent doing all this, we are acting as a whole not a single kill team doing everything

[autumn island]

I mean, Manny calls us Sheriff for the main part of the D.C campaign, like most of it until the BT invasion, imo they got a squad to go through the bt stuff

[torn shoal]

sheriff is a way of not calling us by name cause are usually not the same agent but still division agents

[sick lantern]

you're right, just as The Agent is the player character and lone agent for a good amount of Div 1, The Sheriff is the equivalent in Div 2

when exactly other agents show up is a bit vague, just at "some point later on"/gestures at endgame

[autumn island]

I mean, in the 'Sheriff' comms, kelso and manny talk about the 'Agent' that came by recently. And also calls us their ace in their sleeve, stroke of luck

In another comm with sawyer and hayes, they talked about how life became easier when that 'Agent' came around, referring to the Sheriff us

Manny gave us the nickname 'Sheriff' due to us just arriving, and Manny having that toy only left

[torn shoal]

it's more of talking to the player

[autumn island]

Thats a bit vague to me, could ya explain a bit more rq?

[torn shoal]

they talk to us singular cause it get the player more invested than just talking about us as a grunt in a grunt army not being anyone standing out really

players need to feel like the hero otherwise they dont feel like they matter basically

[sick lantern]

that's not strictly true

[torn shoal]

fk autocorrect

[autumn island]

Interesting

[crude atlas]

is there any in lore explanation about what happened to Div1 guy?

[torn shoal]

so the apocalypse get worse ?

what is remit ?
also apocalypse doesnt mean new beginning, everyones dead
jtf still exist, we work with them

[sick lantern]

the SHD is to be deactivated when its mission is complete, which it evidently is not yet

[glad spruce]

And given our war against Black Tusk, it'll be a while before we get deactivated.

[sick lantern]

the national guard is the army

which part are you disagreeing with

[glad spruce]

Because the military fractrued due to the outbreak. Mass defections, people leaving their posts, and so on.

Why are you so obsessed with wanting the Division gone?

[torn shoal]

the army is gone, everything in the gov collapsed cause there is nobody in charge and nobody to command anyway

u dont lead an army of 20 people with no logistic

also that's even more risk of green poison outbreaks

they already evolved, they went from trying to contain some factions to helping settlements and helping rebuild the world

[sick lantern]

the military does exist

as scattered remnants, cus, you know, virus destroyed the country and killed a sh1t ton of people

you're acting like they've never been in the franchise or? cus they have

[sick lantern]

the National Guard, later combined into the JTF in both games and in turn the True Sons- they even had Green Berets in Div 1
the Navy (probably the Coast Guard too) enforcing the quarantine in Manhattan
unnamed military remnant seen in The Division: Recruited
the Molossi as the largest known military remnant in The Division: Compromised

¯_(ツ)_/¯

military is all over the place lmao

[sick lantern]

what does that even mean

[torn shoal]

army need logistic, not division

wym not all of them. they all dead man there is no one else

[glad spruce]

An army is nothing without logistics.

Hell, even a faction is nothing without logistics

[outer yarrow]

Maybe im missing something but what's all this talk about logistics? Wasn't the point of the conversation that there are remnants of the military, therefore the military does exist?

[outer yarrow]

Definitely the Coast Guard, if not an attachment then a deployable force. Im not too sure as to how JTF scrambles everone and dishes them out, but ik fs the Coast Guard would be either assisting the Navy or acting as their own force

[torn shoal]

the army itself is gone cause there is no one to keep it going, some people are still alive but they arent anything alone

[crude atlas]

lol not really

anyway is there lore explanation how thing that got started locally in NY went that fast that hard worldwide?

[torn shoal]

are u new to how pandemics work ?

[crude atlas]

actually there is set of files that tells the viral went global

[crude atlas]

bro, lets just say that lot of elements dont stick

that i do agree

[late void]

It was the design of the virus, the first few weeks after you got infected you didn't get any symptoms but were infectious yourself, so it spread far before people realised how serious it was.

[sick lantern]

+NYC as an incredibly dense tourist destination+ spreading the virus through bank notes on black friday

[torn shoal]

yeah the goal was a global outbreak and it worked

the pandemic was already global before the quarantine and first wave

it's litterally explained in the intro trailer of div 1

[proud stag]

*-9

[cedar estuary]

So, does paper money have no value in Division and Division 2?

[ashen jungle]

Our agents use "e-credits", but likely there's a bit of a stigma to paper money as, well, that's what was used to spread the Green Poison.

[cedar estuary]

There are bales of money just laying around. No wonder e credits and barter systems are in use in Washington and DC. Money is green poison

[steady escarp]

E-credits some sort of actual currency or just shd points based on performance of individual operative?

[ashen jungle]

Well, vendors use them to trade.
So I think we can safely say that the JTF use them as a regulated currency.

[autumn island]

Weird that cassie danny, and the dz people use em, also in haven since they arent jtf anymore, as well as in the bridge

[crude atlas]

i think that e-credits could be potemtially something like commonly acknowledged unofficial value so it wouldnt be that weird

[torn shoal]

ecredits arent official currency, its just a way to give players a reward, its not worth anything in itself, money doesnt really exist anymore since there is no banks/market, people trade ressources directly

in a world where people use a gun before talking its safe to say that money wont do anything and bullets do

[autumn island]

I like to think of it like freaker ears in days gone. (Freakers are the name of the zombies)

When you kill a freaker, you can nab their ears and turn them into the camp, which becomes an x amount of credit (dependent on freaker), and you have an x amount of credits you can spend. There is absolutely no value in the ears, but it shows you've gone out their, and did something to help out.

Basically, I think of it as a reward for labor. Agents get it because they do x mission, and it helps people still be somewhat civilized.

[torn shoal]

well its not like people had jobs with a salary anymore so they just live in settlements, everything is shared anyway

[tepid ibex]

"Freakers" lol

[errant zodiac]

Is it still possible to get some good eats in current day div2?

[ashen jungle]

The aquarium side-mission discusses this, basically the big settlements in DC grow the majority of the food, and trade with others.
There's also some random spots where people are growing food around the city, but no defences at those.

[autumn island]

You got fish, fish, and some rare canned foods. Now, somewhere up north? Prolly some people have a farm with pigs cows and chickens. Surprise we dont hunt deer in d.c

[ashen jungle]

Green Poison can be transferred to animals, hence the lack of livestock farming in DC/NYC.

[errant zodiac]

I’m almost sure the animals woulda built some form of antibody at this point

Unless that kind of biology is a bit too fast

[ashen jungle]

Green Poison is an assortment of things that promote a long period of pre-symptom time ( to spread the disease without detection), and then rapidly killing people so no cure.
I honestly don't know if anti-bodies can be developed species wide in such a short time, since we've only canonically been in the outbreak for what, less than a year at this point?

[grizzled carbon]

this brings me to a question, those who have survived so far are probably resistant to the green poison, but the true sons detention center classified assignment shows an asymptomatic carrier, are people still getting sick? that seems hardly a problem in the game outside of the dark zones

[ashen jungle]

Well, the idea of the virus originally was that about 90% of all people would die, so the Earth can "heal", ya know, typical crazy evil virus scientist stuff.

Sokolova and the Cabal I believe have the main chance right now of making a cure, which we just kinda assume they're going to only give to friendly factions, but yeah at this point I'd say the people who were going to die from it, at least in DC+NYC, have already died.

[grizzled carbon]

right, that was what I gathered so far
seems kind of contradictory... also, regarding species immunity- FMDV is still a major problem in farming, animals take a while to develop antibodies to everything and its rapidly changing

[ashen jungle]

It's notable that the virus isn't a natural one, it's smallpox, but heavily tweaked. "gene edited" IIRC is the term they use.

[grizzled carbon]

yep, CRISPR and stuff are a real thing, the very nature of this virus is prone to rapid mutation

[torn shoal]

wait, what ?

dors the game mention green poison attacking animals too

[ashen jungle]

There's at least one snitch enemy that mentions "infecting puppies", and I have a vague memory of it being elsewhere too, but the latter is iffy.
I wouldn't be surprised if the snitch thing is not fully canon, but also it sort of does feel legit.

[feral tusk]

Dawg resurgence got me playing as big boss wth

Whats the time difference between d1 and post prologue resurgence?

[grizzled carbon]

from my understanding Resurgence takes place between div1 and div2

[weak yacht]

i've been wanting to play resurgence but only issue when i load into the game, it gets stuck at 86% when loading into the game and im using an emulator

[late void]

The official Resurgence discord is linked in #social-media, that's the best place for questions and comments

[cosmic niche]

Thats the story from rainbow six as written by tom clancy.

Is a cure needed given the setting for div 2 in dc. the virus is stated to burning itself out. Dc62 is more a problem.

[glad spruce]

There are those BSAVs, which are basically advanced vaccines

[ashen jungle]

DC-62 can be negated entirely in an area after the fact (as evidenced by Castle now vs Castle then), I wouldn't call it a problem.

[frosty spoke]

Theres a new strain of virus, actually

(Refering to Descent comms 68-72)

[glad spruce]

That's a left-over from Heartland

[cosmic niche]

Which most of the player base will not know of then

[glad spruce]

From what I've heard of Y8S1 PTS, Retaliations award Descent comms.

Unless it's not intentional, then lots of players will now have the opportunity to get the comms

[cosmic niche]

Yes that is a great move. Assuming retaliation will get played more than descent did

[glad spruce]

Okay, so Black Tusk is doing rapid attacks on D.C., and BTSU Team 9 is tied to the Manhunt.

Looks like Nat is getting desperate

[frosty bluff]

She's probably trying what they did at the very start of Black Tusk invading Washington and attempting to rapidly take control over regions... except we're ready for it & BT is lacking manpower. Although BT losing more manpower means Sokolova is going to try to rely on automation even more than before

Also, any significant lore coming out of Resurgence?

[glad spruce]

Not sure. I'm still in early game

[glad spruce]

Funny, for an oligarch who hated having an AI in her PMC, preferring to let humans do all the work.

She now sees humans as a liability and automation as her reliable assets

[marsh urchin]

Question. Will the division resurgence be added?

[patent narwhal]

you can talk about the lore here but there likely won't be channels as there's already a server for it #social-media

[torn shoal]

snitch might be canon, but the flavor text def isnt since its full of gimmicky stuff like "a guy has been seen kicking dogs and need to be stopped" and we like gun down 50 guys for that lmao

from the few things i know about biology, cross infection from different species are like ultra rare

tho its possible, if thats the case then it should be limited to few species, and if not, then we are in for big troubles cause food shortages are gonna be worse than ever

[patent narwhal]

new guy "UNDETERMINED" showing up in the classified assignment going on about directive 51

[green plume]

so the black tusk elite squad, where do they rank among the current black tusk?

more elite or less elite than the white tusk?

[autumn island]

I'd say like BTSU

[glad spruce]

BTSU Team 9? Yeah, they're pretty much elite

[glad spruce]

Not the first time a character rants about how Directive 51 was a "mistake"

[lone salmon]

||[the most exhausted sigh imaginable]||

[cosmic zephyr]

So Resurgence is fun and all but what happened to our cat? We got activated and just dipped on the cat?

[sudden mortar]

Anybody else getting comm between one retaliation to another and not knowing which comm is it?

[glad spruce]

Are you talking about Descent comms or BTSU Team 9 comms?

[sudden mortar]

Yeah, I noticed the descent comms on retaliation for some reason, I saw my ps4 recording to figure that weird comms.
BTW Hawkster ||this director seems to be the supposedly "Boss" that talked to Schaeffer on the "new orders" comms on black tusk comms||

[amber vault]

I really hope I don’t have to play the mobile game to understand the lore now

I hate playing games on phones

[obtuse chasm]

We got alien now? 😭

UFO is crazyy

[glad spruce]

Just some conspiracy nut, with too much time on his hands.

[glad spruce]

Resurgence is set between Division 1 and Division 2. So, unless you really wanna know how bad stuff got for the Division/JTF to be forced to relocate to Lower Manhattan, it's not mandatory.

||Also, there are means of playing phone games on PC, but I'll have to DM you.||

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I replayed "new orders" BT comm and the first BTSU-9 comm, and they're pretty much the same man.

Also, I finished the Library of Congress, and man I loved it!

Especially that ||final comm and ECHO from our mystery man, ''Max'''||

[gleaming escarp]

this is aggravating I purchased the premium pass today by buying the 1000 points and used it to pay for the pass but got a message that said error try again later but they still took my points wth