division-universe

[sick lantern]

broken dawn is cool but it's a sequel to nycollapse, and in turn nycollapse is best enjoyed when you're playing div 1 and/or have collected all the survival guides and ECHOs specifically for the ones with april kelleher in

extremis malis is a rather relevant read concerning certain plot developments but again that's a comic not a novel

[glossy vine]

Cool. I start with Crossroads then. TY

[ashen jungle]

@small knot NGN (licenced div2 youtuber) is a great way to see a re-cap of the lore stuff, there's even a "what you missed" section that's.....incredibly extensive.

[small knot]

Keener I feel like is going to be propped as an anti hero or something with his whole thing of ||wanting to take down the corrupt government and shadow handlers behind everything ||

[small knot]

Lol funny enough I’m watching his full 4 hour lore vid

But the more he talks about how Keener has been moving makes me curious. The idea seems noble that the division is corrupted and someone is holding the reigns but his methods may not be the best

Plus now there’s sorta 3 agent factions. Keeners rogues, the Fae Luo rogues who defected for money or other reasons, and then the loyal agents

[sick lantern]

the problem is that no one really “holds reigns” over the division and there’s a clear line between the good and the bad

there are traitors in the ranks but the shd in general isn’t directed towards doing anything bad

that could change but it isn’t true yet

[torn shoal]

Faye didnt defect for money, she was allied to keener

[gaunt ice]

tfw you need a license to cover div2 smh

"hello dear sir do you have a license to make videos about the ubisoft original division 2?no?GET HIM"

[ashen jungle]

......what on earth are you talking about?

"licenced", as in, they were sponsored by Ubi' to make videos at least once.

[rich lark]

Haha

Reminds me of the UK TV license

[sick lantern]

I believe that was the joke

[ashen jungle]

The mix of making that joke, and being......confused enough to think that you need to pay to put up a youtube video, did make it a rather confusing reply.

[small knot]

She was? I thought she swapped to tusk for non keener reasons

[small knot]

Well the president does sorta since agents primarily answer to whoever is president but like one of the audio files said, agents are cowboys who can do what they want

[torn shoal]

you should check last manhunt

[small knot]

I’m still tryna learn the lore and everything

But thanks for letting me know

Also I kinda want my agent to be rogue simply cause the red watch looks cooler

[torn shoal]

try replaying manhunts for the lore

[small knot]

Bet thanks and I’ll make sure to pay attention

[glad spruce]

Long story short, Keener had information and leverage that helped Faye infiltrate Black Tusk.

In addition to taking on the mission to kill President Ellis.

[small knot]

The recruiter fight is the most aids fight ever and I hope whoever designed this

[torn shoal]

its def not the worst fight

people got more ptsd from the stovepipe boss

[sick osprey]

bullet king

[glad spruce]

If anything, I feel energized in the Recruiter boss fight cuz of his rant at the start.

[tepid ibex]

that's just a beloved character, nobody hates him 💕

[wicked gorge]

If you don’t want spoilers then dont click the spoiler thingy ||From the recent seasons, we learned Faye was in contact to Keener prior to the events of WONY, with him alerting her to the bigger threat of the hunters and McManus along with Sokolova’s plan. The Hidden alliance manhunt talked more on what Faye was doing with Kelso’s manhunt expanding on more information with this season also doing that|| Sorry if its a bad explanation, im tired as hell atm

[glad spruce]

It's an adequate explanation, Phoenix.

Good job

[wicked gorge]

I figured I left some lore tidbits out

[delicate bronze]

Guys we have any lore about the summit?

Or is just a skyscraper without any history behind?

[ashen jungle]

It's a big building with lots of enemies in it, that we have some kind of need to clear the whole thing out.
IIRC there was some talk of the satelite on the roof a while back, there wouldn't be Hunters up there without a good reason.

[feral vigil]

She went undercover inside the BTSU

And this is a major gripe i have about only being able to play the very last mission of the previous manhunta, cuz the context is lost to returning players

Take stovepipe, which aside from being the most annoying mission in the game, and screw that flamethrower warhound in particular, thats the lead up to the white house being attacked, and our true sons ally getting himself killed to get shaffer into the saferoom

Which from my understanding, is one reason why we are not only exfilling keeners team, having done his manhunt he surrenders to us and is in the basement of the HW, and we now get to exfil both Kelso and whats his face glasses

Mainly cuz the attack to the white house took down thr SHD Servers and we only have a local acess right noe

[small knot]

With how the lore is and in very new to the game, seems like they’re trying to set us up working with Keener and his group and embracing this “rogue” ideology given that the division has been labeled a rogue agency and the “shadow unnamed people” as keener put it are actually pulling the strings

Black tusks funding, President Ellis, the hunters who are allied with them and said to be “still in mission”

[sick lantern]

They have been “building towards” this since launch fyi

[small knot]

Mane idk the lore im new to it

[sick lantern]

I’m aware I’m just informing you

it’s funny how long they’ve been skirting around it

also you know Ellis is dead?

[torn shoal]

play the manhunt to get to speed

[small knot]

Ya Faye gave him the JFK experience

[torn shoal]

jfk didnt want to turn the country to a pmc

[small knot]

Ellis got no scoped

But honesty I do hope there is a plot point that we do go “rogue” just cause I want the red watch

[glad spruce]

Technically, we already went Rogue the moment we fought against Black Tusk. 😛

But yes, a red watch would be cool.

[plain junco]

tbh i was waiting for that watch to turn red the moment we agreed to work with keener

[rich lark]

Just starts selling watch shaders in the shop

[small knot]

Agreed

The sole reason I wanna go rogue is just for the watch. Not cause I agree with ideals or anything. Pure cosmetic reasons is why I wanna be

[rich lark]

Just go rogue in the darkzone then

[small knot]

But that’s only there, I want red all the time

[small knot]

And aren’t the hunters aligned with them? Cause I remember in the recruiter manhunt he mentions the hunters and black tusk

[glad spruce]

Yes. Since Calvin McManus, who's practically the leader of the Hunters, is in leagues with Natalya Sokolova, who's the CEO of Black Tusk

[glad spruce]

Goddammit, I need to double-check my posts

[plain junco]

I thought you were mocking him by spelling his name like that

[glad spruce]

If I wanted to mock him, I'd call his name Callie 😛

[ashen jungle]

Cmon, Calvin Klein is right there.

[glad spruce]

Calvin Klein, then

[ashen jungle]

Although that does just sound like you're hitting on him, since fashion models.
But whatever floats your boat.

Since we're getting explanations for a bunch of ingame stuff that we never really thought would ever get explained before (e.g. Hunters), I do wonder if we'll ever get an actual in-universe answer for unlimited skills.

I'd rather we didn't, but I'd also rather we didn't know the origin of Hunters, so in for a penny.

[median crag]

I still think we should've killed Keener, I'm not liking the whole redemption arc thing they're doing.

[ashen jungle]

You are not alone there.

[small knot]

Understandable, but I don’t think it’s a redemption arc but more an enemy of my enemy situation. That we’re both under threat from the same people and are gonna have to suck it up and work together

[median crag]

The mission in the bunker when I saw him, I let Pestilence rip with a fury

[small knot]

That’s what I think at least, especially with the whole Kelso situation

[ashen jungle]

I fully understand what the game is going for, at least so-far as what they've told us.
I still think he should be dead.

[median crag]

You make a fair point there, but I still don't think we should trust him, as he has a history of stabbing people in the back. The Division, LMB, Black Tusk, even an ally of his, Conley

Also, I've noticed an irony of Sheriff and the past few manhunts.

Y'all know how we're now taking on the Hunters/Black Tusk, if the Freedom Hunter kills you in the Kelso mission, his quote mentions something about being recruited.

However, from the past manhunts, we take the watches of the rogue agents we've killed, hypothetically making us a hunter, even though we're not a part of it.

[small knot]

Another great point but I think now he’d put aside the back stabbing nature just for once to achieve his shared goal with us

[small knot]

Now that you mention that, imagine with one of the rogue watches we took, the new dlc or something else where we swap our watch for a rogue one

[median crag]

Cause I'm referring to the wiki on the smart watch, is that after an agent is killed, their watch has to be retrieved. So after killing Keener's cell, Jupiter's cell, Hornet's, Bardon's, and Lau's, we are equal to if not a little worse than the Hunters

[small knot]

Ya but we still think we’re doing the good and right thing when the “good thing” now has become so muddled

[median crag]

I personally do not think so, because that's how he dupes everyone else, by making them think he won't

[small knot]

Are we really the good guys cause keener claims the division and JTF are puppets to someone? Are black tusk the good guys even though their funding is coming from some shadowy group? They’re making the world more grey then black and white and I like that

[small knot]

Keener: trust me bro

[median crag]

From the opening trailer of Division 1:

"We have no rules, no limits, all we do is protect what remains"

And a lot of rogue agents go rogue to simply go home, others go rogue to "fight the man" or in Keener's view, open the eyes of the Division. By definition, SHD is a morally grey/negative group, as they don't have an RoE, and really only answer to the president, despite them being homeland security

[torn shoal]

keener never been a real vilain, beside wony

so him being a good person who do bad thing for good reason is fine

[small knot]

And we’ve had three presidents one of them being in kahoots with people to take out the second president before being murdered himself. We have no superior and supposedly we’re rotten to the core. Plus our tech even with how advanced it is, is very easy to fool. Who are we really?

[torn shoal]

you want bad guys to die, not people who try to do good but are forced to do bad stuff

[median crag]

Ah yes, like having the LMB shoot down the NY division cell

[torn shoal]

yes, sometimes people do bad stuff for good reason

keener is no angel, but lets not pretend he is like nat or ellis

[median crag]

Committing treason is not justifiable no matter the reason

[torn shoal]

then the entire division is bad

[median crag]

He went rogue because JTF command told him to leave some civilians as they were pulling out of the Dark Zone

[median crag]

Yes.

[torn shoal]

im going to talk about moral and legal again

what is legal may not be moral, and vice versa, you know that

we arent doing stuff that is legal, but we do it cause its moral

treason can be good if the state is bad

just cause someone is president and untouchable by law mean i will obey

in division, we are trying to be good, while trying to stay within the law, but the law is def not on our side rn, thats why some go rogue

they sacrifice their status for the rest of us

[small knot]

Keener doesn’t seem to worry about who gets hurt as long as he is able to take down the higher ups and the corrupt shadow group. He may have good intentions but the “doing whatever needs to be done to save” the day doesn’t apply here. Keener is full scorched earth and won’t stop at nothing to win. He’s a chaotic evil

No rules, no boundaries is his game and he plays it masterfully

[torn shoal]

he does care about who gets hurt

thats why he always go out of his way to save civilians

again, excluding wony that is completely out of character

and they're trying to fix that

[median crag]

He's willing to use the Eclipse virus on hunters

He gassed a settlement

He obliterated the SHD command in NYC

[torn shoal]

hunters arent good people
the settlement is from wony, which is out of character and def something that isnt intended
shd command isnt to be trusted, they let civilians die

the whole wony arc doesnt fit the story at all, thats why they changed keener since then

[small knot]

Scorched earth ^. Look we’re not saying that keener isn’t doing this just for fun, we agree he’s doing so with a purpose but he’s not some anti hero who just goes at it wrong. The guy is evil

[median crag]

The guy is a sadistic, manipulative, and like Ferris said, scorched earth.

[torn shoal]

he aint evil

[glad spruce]

Oh, not this again

For the billionth time, it's not a redemption arc. It's an alliance against a greater evil

[torn shoal]

its fine to talk about it

[median crag]

You make a fair point, I misspoke about saying its a redemption arc, but I know Keener'll betray us again

[small knot]

It’s an enemy of my enemy arc

[torn shoal]

wym betray us ? he has no loyalty toward us to begin with xd

he is doing his own thing

without the constraint of isac or shd

i mean if the gov and shd command let people die to save themselves, you cant call them good

keener did put himself in harms way to save others when shd wouldnt

and doing so turned him rogue

so why stop there, if you're rogue, go all the way

[median crag]

Remember when we attacked the BT settlement at the Manning Zoo? Black Tusk must be the good guys too, by your logic

[small knot]

We’re not saying the government and SHD are good, our agents and the White House team are the seemingly good guys left in DC. Keener turned rogue cause yes he was betrayed but also of the actions he did following it

[torn shoal]

are bt saving people ? i dont think so

[median crag]

I just said the settlement at the Manning zoo

Where they evacuated civilians before we arrived

[torn shoal]

how are we different ? we are just one fight from being abandonned and turn rogue ourselves

[torn shoal]

taking hostages dont count as saving people

[median crag]

They weren't hostages

[torn shoal]

they were, that the whole manhunt, we go and free them

[small knot]

We already are rogue, we are rogue to black tusk and the hunters who are supposedly be funded by the government. Keener is rogue due to what he does

[median crag]

Not Broken Wings.

[torn shoal]

how is that different ?

[median crag]

The invaded mission

[small knot]

There’s a difference between being labeled rogue by the enemy who gets funding vs the rogue who is rogue cause of the atrocities

[torn shoal]

there is no civilians on invaded ?

[median crag]

You've gotta be rage baiting. Because BT evacuated them.

[torn shoal]

he wasnt marked rogue for atrocities, but for refusing to follow shd command when they said let ccivilians die in dz

[small knot]

Do we gas settlements and use the gangs to further our goals? No we’re still trying to restore safety

[torn shoal]

man i dont remember every mission + invaded by heart

[torn shoal]

we did tho, with manhunt jefferson trade center

gov also gazed lot of places with dc62

[median crag]

And there's disavowed agents and rogue agents

And with how weird the chain of command is, we should be considered on standby/waiting for the next figurehead.

[small knot]

And do you see anyone on the White House team supporting the DC62 usage? No cause we all see it’s after effects

[torn shoal]

doesnt matter what you support, it was used

like

is keener good ? no
but are we good ? not either

[small knot]

What kind of reasoning is that? Just cause it happened doesn’t mean we can’t support it or condemn it?

[torn shoal]

its too easy, if keener decide to bomb us and then say "hm, thats bad, i dont support that" you'd say he is good ?

[median crag]

We are not saying SHD is good, I even mentioned a few messages ago, that we are a grey/negative faction

[torn shoal]

what im saying is keener is no different

[small knot]

The White House agents and team are good, we support the settlements, fight the gangs, are pushing back black tusk. There is a clear good guy in the story.

SHD and government are corrupt butt the White House team is the definitive good guys in the story

[median crag]

We are a 3 letter agency in the US, that borders on evil lmao

[torn shoal]

ok, just one thing

if you gov/command is corrupt, it doesnt matter what you do locally, you're not on the right side

[median crag]

There is no "right side" in the apocalypse

[torn shoal]

there is no "this soldier isnt a bad person every tho their entire army killed my family"

[torn shoal]

spot on

[small knot]

You can’t say spot on when you’ve been disagreeing this whole time

[median crag]

But we are saying that Keener is a bad person

[small knot]

Don’t change your stance now

[torn shoal]

i agree ?
it doesnt matter what you think about keener if you think differently about shd or the gov ?
if one is bad, so its the other

my entire argument is that keener isnt bad cause shd isnt bad, if you think both are bad, i can agree, not 100% tho

[median crag]

This has gotten too confusing, I'm out.

[torn shoal]

like to me keener isnt bad, compared to the rest of the country and factions

he can do bad stuff, thats justified by his position

as i said, he is no angel, but evil ? no

if he is evil, the gov + shd + basically everyone is evil

and there is no point calling anyone evil

like the outcast didnt become bad guys out of nowhere, they were left to die alone and treated like rats

they def arent the vilain of the story there, they are the victims

[ashen jungle]

Why are you conflating Keener and SHD as if they're the same thing?

[torn shoal]

they are not, but their actions are comparable

they have different way of doing things

difference is, one is supposed to be legitimate and respected

[ashen jungle]

When you say "SHD", do you mean the program itself, every Agent involved, or some kinda mix of the two?

Because everyone who organised the program is a corpse.

And all Agents are clearly different, I mean take Conley and Sawyer as extreme ends of the spectrum.

[torn shoal]

i mean the command and agents, you cant really separate the 2, soldiers obey orders, might be done in a different way with different agents, but the idea stay

like if the command does bad stuff, you cant just say agents didnt ask for this after

they represent shd

[ashen jungle]

SHD are very specifically not Soldiers. We are not the military. We are independantly operating Agents.

[torn shoal]

it was an expression, i mean they just follow chain of command in theory

[ashen jungle]

What chain of command?

The chain is dead.

[torn shoal]

we were talking about div 1 at that point

[ashen jungle]

The only person left in the chain is McManus.

So just to clarify, you think Keener isn't evil based solely off his actions in div1?

Because at the end of Div1, Keener went on a supervillain rant about how he's going to go and sell bioweapons for cash.

[torn shoal]

im excluding wony cause its def out of character and doesnt match anything for the rest of the 2 games, but i dont think he is evil, i think he isnt a good person, but he was also forced to do bad choices over worse choices

like the bloosthirty keener we had in wony doesnt match what we had before

[ashen jungle]

That wasn't during WONY, that was the final mission of div1.

[torn shoal]

oh you mean the echo ?

[ashen jungle]

At the apartment opposite the initial base.

The confusion most people have about Keener, is that his characterisation there feels unconnected to him in div2.

[torn shoal]

i think that echo at the end of d1 is more of a "dont f with me cause you will regret it" rather than "imma do max money and idc if everyone dies"

its a long time i havent play d1 tho so i might not remember all

its like an insurance, if you hunt for him, he has the mean to make us pay

tbh a pure evil character isnt interesting, doing bad stuff cause you're bad is like not even good for the cartoon vilains we used to watch

he went from loyal good to neutral good to chaotic neutral, cause the situation forced him to adapt

i believe he is aiming to be neutral/chaotic good tho

but stuff need to be done, and staying loyal/neutral aint cutting it

like, you cant fight for a better world without breaking the rules and some morals

cause the other side will def use thoses as a defense to stop you

"if you're against bt you're on the side of keener and he is a bad guy therefore you shouldnt help him taking us down" type stuff

everybody like to think in black n white

[glad spruce]

Well, I'll be late on summarizing the comm tomorrow, but I'll try to get ahead of it as soon as I can

Good night

[sick lantern]

if you didn’t know: McManus is responsible for the outbreak happening in the first place

he is culpable for the genocide of billions, with intent

that’s what the Black Tusk and the Hunters stand for.

and the SHD aren’t “puppets” because no one’s ordered them to do anything bad, or ordered them to do anything. the presidents just activated the SHD and let it work

[gaunt ice]

also Keener has a pretty extensive history of being a manipulator, lying to people to gain what he needs and dispose them like trash when its done so lets just make a habit of NOT taking anything he said at face value, or preferably at any value at all

[ashen jungle]

@azure dagger Rule #4, no self promo.

[rich lark]

Lets not forget keener and Theo also have the tech to just fake reality

[feral vigil]

Keener os all over the place
Div1 was more of a "its unacceptable for the goverment to leave our asses to hang" type of mentalitu that he himself and other forst wave rogues had
With WoNY, for some reason he wants to shoot a missil to restart an outbreak, and now we are working with him as he seems to be playing the part of the rebel against a shadow organization

One thing id like to see in Brooklyn is other rogues turning against keener feeling double crossed

It would be a good way of having rogue enemies and even hunters be a more active type of enemy in the open world

[sick lantern]

inb4 descent comms are all faked and hacked

[feral vigil]

Ok o didnt know that about McManus
I knew he was the secretary of defense and possibly a hunter himself, cuz from my understanding the Hunter awnser directly to him
And from what o got from the final Recruiter mission is that we are considered rogues cuz president elis switches sides and we didnt follow suit as the SHD agenda report directly to the president himself

[sick lantern]

the problem is that people are believing the traitors to the country, when they say that the legitimate government agency doing exactly what it’s supposed to do are the rogue ones
power of disinformation man

[feral vigil]

Than again, im a returning player, and i did do the old manhunt missions in order to the best of my abilities, but the comment from the recruiter seems odd as we "killed" keener in NY, and keeners hunt comes after

[feral vigil]

Thing is, the only drop of lore i got from McManus was the radio messages from Faye Lau i think

Between Lau and Shaefer if im not mistaken

[sick lantern]

shame on you for not having listened to every Descent comm smh 4head

[feral vigil]

Which makes me believe that theres things that even the BTSU arent aware of, since Shaefer sounds shocked on learning about the head of homeland security

[sick lantern]

yea the plot is a globulous mess to get into rn

[feral vigil]

Yeah no screw that, id rather look those up on youtube, decent is painful to play
I got the exotic and im done

[feral vigil]

Tho i will say that at least the story now has a heading
Division 1 was pretty much just stabilize Manhattan and hunt keener

[torn shoal]

div 1 and 2 keener is kinda similar if you exclude wony

[feral vigil]

Yeah the dirty warhead came out of nowhere

[torn shoal]

the writers are trying to fix that plotholes it seem

[small knot]

One thing I like more about D1 is the feeling and environment of New York. Idk if it was the bleak winter conditions or the towering skyscrapers that made it more ominous but New York felt creepier especially with the rikers roaming around

But I would love to explore more suburban areas as well even though it’d be more open and spaced out, I feel like it’d be creepier and add to that feeling since you’d be able to go into houses and see family homes just frozen in time from the outbreak

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm #5 Red Light.

||Taking place prior to the Climax mission of Season 3, Bridgette Douglas tries to convince Bardon Schaeffer not to go through with the plan to bait himself to Division agents in Coney Island. Schaeffer insisted, believing that the work they're doing can't be for nothing. When Douglas expressed worry if Black Tusk finds, Schaeffer tells her that they'll only know if she tells them, which he encourages not to||

||Douglas believes this is it. This is where she, Schaeffer, and Lau die. Schaeffer grimly comments that everyone dies eventually, so he and his two friends might as well do it with a clean conscience. Douglas gets frustrated, believing that the situation they're in is unfair, though Schaeffer tells her it's not the quantity of time but the quality of it that matters, and encourages her to be with Faye as much as possible.||

||Then, Douglas finds out her watch turned red, which Schaeffer concluded ISAC thinks they're off mission. Therefore, he encourages Douglas to leave him with his mission and go see Faye, which Douglas agreed on.||

[glad spruce]

I didn't notice until I finished the Scout, but apparently ||Douglas disabled her watch and ended the recording||, as said by ANNA in the debriefing.

[torn shoal]

wait

||does that mean douglas was with bt and was still not rogue for a while ?||

[glad spruce]

||Yes. Cuz the first thing we learned about her in Season 4, is the fact she wasn't activated||

[torn shoal]

ah

[ashen jungle]

It's interesting that ||Bardin's tone came across more as a sarcastic comment than an actual question. ||

[glad spruce]

||About ISAC marking Viper as Rogue?||

[ashen jungle]

Mhm.

It also kinda confirms that ||he's ||going to be around later this season, you don't bring back the VA for nothing.

[small knot]

I do feel like there might be a shift with our agents using ISAC given how easy he is to fool and manipulate when ANNA seems to be the better and more secure version

But again I’m a proponent of at a later time our agents embracing the “rogue” title that they’ve been called to take the fight to black tusk and the hunters

[torn shoal]

we are already rogue

since we didnt follow the president

[rich lark]

We just won't go fully rouge mainly cause of the work an effort it'd take to redesign a lot

Like ubisoft would need to code a new world state your watch and hud need to be changed. Your skills would need to change. SHD level altered etc

[ashen jungle]

Rogues can still use regular SHD skills, your watch would just need to be changed to red (and they can already change it to green), SHD level is just a cosmetic thing, it doesn't actually impact the story.

They'd need to replace a half-dozen ISAC lines, but more likely they'd just get ANNA's VA to say the new ones instead.

The thing about Rogues in the story, is that they're basically identical to us, which is kinda the point of them.

As for if it should happen: of course not.

[rich lark]

Really huh I thought they used their own skills running on Anne

[ashen jungle]

ANNA is just another access point, seemingly. I mean, at least most of our stuff is from the DARPA labs anyway.

There are Rogue skills of course, but if we're going by the NPC ones that show up when you capture a CP, or Summit, etc, then they can use regular stuff still.
Even a Rogue skill does seem to just be something else that we could potentially use, and do, going by the WONY campaign.

[rich lark]

Fair

[sudden mortar]

Yeah but like you said, this might be just a gameplay factor unless it's confirmed that regular NPCs are being supplied with SHD tech like on Paradise Lost. Because from a gameplay perspective it is harder to destroy a seeker mine or a SHD turret than a hyena turret or RC bomb, so it makes sense. (There is even a hyena NPC on DZ that uses both Hyena turret and SHD turret.)

[ashen jungle]

The other factions using SHD skills are unrelated to Rogues using them.

For a start: those other factions are marked as their own factions, Rogues are marked as Rogues.

[small knot]

Ya the only big changes like you said would be the voice lines for ANNA and just recoloring everything else red. The watch is easy since we can already have a red watch in the DZ. They’d just make that a permanent thing and maybe 2-3 “exclusive” rogue gadgets for if you choose to follow the rogue path

And maybe throw in some unique voice lines from NPCs like manny who may judge you for going rogue

[torn shoal]

anna already has more voice lines than isac at this point

[sudden mortar]

Tbf half of ISAC voicelines are just: something + "online" "offline" or "detected".

[torn shoal]

yeah

thats why anna is better imo, much more interesting to listen

also her sass is actually awesome

[glad spruce]

Yep. ANNA's sarcasm and persoanlity is why I love her.

[torn shoal]

she reminds me of one of the community character

[small knot]

Plus she’s a cool triangle rather then a boring circle

[torn shoal]

disagree on this, im on the big circle chad gang

[ashen jungle]

I'd have to change my phone's lock screen again if we get a triangle, and that's just not cool.

Actually there's a question: since the Agents are seemingly well known by this point, to the aspect that they're not even really feared, just kinda seen as "another thing", how many are canonically left?

[torn shoal]

canonically its not said, but it cant be that many since everytime something happen agents drop like flies

[ashen jungle]

I wasn't really looking for speculation.

[torn shoal]

well no numbers are out there

[ashen jungle]

If a direct "here is how many are still around as of this particular event" existed, then I could've just googled it.

I'm asking if anyone happens to know via working it out, a rough estimate would be fine, as long as it's true enough.

[small knot]

Yup ANNA is 100% better, she seems to be programmed to have a personality which makes sense since she’s the “evil rogue version” so it’s not gonna be as cut and dry as ISAC is. She has great sarcasm

ISAC: rogue traps ahead
ANNA: yes ISAC we know

[ashen jungle]

ANNA and ISAC are not so cut and dry.
ISAC (as far as we are aware), is not an actual AI, more like he's a google search with a vocal replier.
ANNA (at least as far as the info we have), looks to be close(ish) to an actual AI, so she can dynamically respond.

[torn shoal]

idk if isac isnt an ai

it does adapt to whatever happens

tho the voice lines are very limited

[ashen jungle]

Then ISAC is a good search engine, but they're still a search engine.
This is just personal opinion, but if I was an Agent: I would want the info given to me during a firefight to be as clear-cut and plain as possible.

[torn shoal]

yeah obviously

[ashen jungle]

I don't need sass when a spice-d up crazy person with an electro-baton is sprinting at me.

[torn shoal]

irl isac would be superior for max efficiency for as many agents as possible

but for a game or for a single agent doing special work, anna would be better tho they would tone down the sass for that

[ashen jungle]

It's personal opinion, ANNA's sass is fine for now, but 24/7 would be a bit much.

I'm an older techy person, I don't like my printer backtalking me.

[torn shoal]

idk, im kinda the same overall, but ingame its fine for me

its fun, thats enough

but irl for sure that would drive me crazy after 5s

[ashen jungle]

Same as in-game for me.

[torn shoal]

tbh i think they will prob keep isac and just add anna as another protagonist giving us directions/commentary

like when manny or kelso radio us directions/orders

[ashen jungle]

The thing is, ISAC's VA is not in any other part of the game, IIRC ANNA's is.
So they can record new lines for her a lot easier.

[torn shoal]

yeah, but we dont need new isac lines

keep isac for fights, get anna for narration

[ashen jungle]

Disagree.

ISAC has plenty of unique lines in the early missions, and they added some flavour text to it all.
ANNA's fine, but it just doesn't feel quite the same

It helps that ISAC is the Agents own thing, ANNA is the new-comer. We need a proving moment.

[torn shoal]

thats true

anna still need to show she is better

[ashen jungle]

Until ANNA makes a reference to how they like to be referred, I'm sticking with "they". Since we're not even 100% if they are properly sentient, or just Sokolova talking with a voice-changer.

[torn shoal]

yeah thats true too

i hope they make anna do the "not a girl" reference from the good place for it

i would lose my shit intantly

[ashen jungle]

Oh god, do we have to keep talking about that dumb show.

I tried it again last night, still sucks.

[torn shoal]

its not your taste i get it

but im a scuker for it

and there is many meme clips of it

[ashen jungle]

There are clips of many bad shows, but this is the lore channel so I'll stop.

[autumn tundra]

ISAC's VA (Brandon Keener) does voice some other characters in the game but they're not as big as the characters ANNA's VA voices, like Natalya Sokolova and Viper. ISAC's VA also voices Alexander Ortiz and Mel Arnold.

The VA for ANNA/Natalya Sokolova is used so extensively in the game for various characters (at least like 8 from what I previously counted) I sometimes wonder if she is a dev for the game, kind of like how Lauren Stone (narrative director?) voices Mackenzie Meret.

[median crag]

I personally find ANNA to be super annoying, I like receiving the important information like how ISAC does. If I wanted quips, I'd make my own

[ashen jungle]

Well at least that opens up the possibility of keeping Garrus around for a bit longer.
I've got no issue with ANNA's observations for now, but if they were a replacement for ISAC, having it play on a loop would mean I'd keep the dialogue off.
I think lore-wise it doesn't make a whole lot of sense though, if ANNA really is sentient, they have better things to do than let us know a CP we just captured is friendly.

[feral vigil]

Wait, i thought ANNA came before ISAC, as ANNA sounded too emotional or too real, which is why SHD developed ISAC

[ashen jungle]

I'm talking about how long they've been in the game IRL.

[delicate bronze]

Hey guys would you kindly recommend any yt channel who explain the lore of the game?

Not the base game.. but the actual.. including manhunts, etc

[marble dawn]

ngn on youtube

[sick lantern]

📠

[sick lantern]

#division-universe message i made some guesstimations

[ashen jungle]

Where are you getting that initial number from?

I apologise in advance if I come across as direct with this. Research used to be my job :p

[sick lantern]

twenty missing first wave agents from collectibles (including keener), raptor hornet scarecrow domino, noble squad, three from police academy, three from times square, one in falcon lost, and rounded up a bit as division agents usually operate in cells of four (for example keener’s two friends he killed)

i’m sure there are more like the lady who revived hornet was a first wave rogue right

[ashen jungle]

What about the Agents in the DZ?

[sick lantern]

exactly even more, but they’re just a lot of nameless corpses
i made a lowball estimate based on the ones we can put a label on

[ashen jungle]

So at bare minimum, it's 50.
which is yeah, wayyyyy too low for this to work.

I recall there being a comm in an office building in DC once, talked about getting people into the program.
IIRC they made it sound more like it was a way to get a free ride for their rich kids.

Which frankly, explains all the DZ corpses.

I hope we don't get a direct answer, because it'll contradict something else. Div's lore is too complicated for it all to work out smooth.

[feral vigil]

NGN has a 4 hour long video that is from the start of division 1 to division 2 right up before the Parnell manhunt

I should however point out that its a light explanation of sorts as it doesnt go on too much details on a few things

[cold bramble]

Isn’t he working on a longer video as well?

[cold bramble]

Taking about the dz, aside from the agents at the checkpoints there isn’t any other agents operating in them right?

[torn shoal]

there is, thats why its a dangerous area, they can be rogues

[rich lark]

DZ is super dangerous to go into

[sudden mortar]

Now I know why all the npcs have scarfs on DZ
The canon reason is to reduce infection rate by green poison and DC-62 and the non-canon reason is for the devs to not have to animate their mouth everytime they say something.

[torn shoal]

no i think in lore npc have no mouth they communicate by telepathy

[rich lark]

Just some psyk power developing in the DZ

[median crag]

Other than the players, no

I noticed the Division agent numbers and I started thinking. The Agents are recruited from police, EMS, and other various jobs involving the community and things like that. My genuine guess is that there is upward of a thousand agents across the US, potentially a couple hundred within NYC themselves, we just likely don't see them because gameplay purposes, plot/environmental storytelling

[sick lantern]

if they’re “not there” because of plot… doesn’t that just mean they don’t exist?

[sick lantern]

“The agents are recruited from police, EMS and other various jobs involving the community” that’s also not true. Agents’ backgrounds are screened for relevant military or police experience, but their occupations pre-activation can be anything

For example Keener was a futures trader

[median crag]

I gotcha, thank you

I do think it would make sense for them to be taken from things like that though, because it allows them to be in vital locations in the event of activation

[torn shoal]

you're confusing agents and jtf, which are recruted from police/ems/etc

[sick lantern]

i mean it’s not like they’re getting activated to respond to riots or etc
when the signal goes out it means “everything is systemically and thoroughly shagged” so immediate small scale crisis response isn’t the aim

[median crag]

Yeah, fair point

My point does still stand in the numbers though, the US has a lot of former military, so there's a lot to pull from

[ashen jungle]

90-something % of all people died.
A lot of those deaths would've also been Agents.

[torn shoal]

shd is supposed to be very elite and hidden, you're not supposed to know they exist so that mean very few numbers

there is no point of an elite squad doing stuff if you recruted everyone and their friends

thats the jtf

[ashen jungle]

Actually, that's not quite true. A notable thing about the SHD program is that they never expected it to be activated, so a lot of randoms were added in.

Parents of rich kids got them in, firefighters, social workers, just loads of cannon-fodder.

[torn shoal]

yeah that was said in div 2, but in div 1 we were supposed to be the best of the best

[ashen jungle]

I'm almost certain that it was mentioned in div1 too.

[median crag]

So in the event of 90% of people dying, you still have an amount of your fighting force left

[torn shoal]

idk about that

[torn shoal]

yeah but society would still collapse

there isnt much to save

[median crag]

There's also honorary agents, or deputizing, I remember someone mentioning that from one of the novels

[median crag]

"Save what remains" is what the Division is for though

Reason why their mascot is a phoenix, to rise from the ashes

[torn shoal]

yeah but at this point, we dont even have anything to save

there is more to destroy than to save

[sick lantern]

the Recruited novel is about someone becoming an officiated agent at the end of the book

[torn shoal]

like bt as a whole is more efficient and structured than whatever civilians we have

so to save a small civilian structure we'd need to take down an entire army

in div 1 people were still living and roaming the streets

in div 2, you're either in a settlement, or fighting outside the settlement

going out without a gun is basically a death sentence

you get caught by a faction and become a hostage rescue activity

[ashen jungle]

Just a thing to note: we don't get to decide what is and isn't canon, so we may disagree with some of the aspects of the lore (I certainly do), but it doesn't stop them from being true.

Okay carry on, folks.

[torn shoal]

well in div 2 voices line, we hear a guy in a settlement saying people should be forced to work if they want to live there

[median crag]

Carrying your own weight in the apocalypse makes sense

[torn shoal]

and thats the only path to survival

[torn shoal]

not really tho, we dont survive by being a big guy doing stuff, we survive by banding together and helping each others

not everyone is fit for work or fight

and if you abandon thoses who cant work or fight, you wont make it

in the short run you survive, in the long run you dont, cause people dont stay if they cant rest

taking care of people that are vulnerable is the only way forward

[median crag]

Have you seen how many people are in the Campus and Theater settlement?

[torn shoal]

yes

[median crag]

They can have shifts for rest

[torn shoal]

thats not what i mean, i mean people who cant work at all

disabled people, kids, etc

[median crag]

You can put kids to work, have them learn the job

[torn shoal]

you should know that forcing kids to work, especially dangerous jobs, will damage your group, far more than you think

[median crag]

Disabled you can put in charge of things like making sure the animals are fed, handing out food, or other easy tasks

[median crag]

I didn't mention dangerous jobs. But things like helping with laundry, learning how to care for crops, maintain a weapon, operate a radio

[torn shoal]

everything is dangerous

its the apocalypse

if you get hurt while maintaining a weapon, there is no hospital, no medecine, no doctor left

[median crag]

That's why there's a settlement, why they have a clinic.

[torn shoal]

a clinic isnt a hospital

if you get bit while taking care of animal and get a disease, what you gonna do ? there is no vaccines left so everyone is vulnerable, you dont have medecine to hepl, etc

[median crag]

If we're putting into account of the Division world, there are airdrops that are somehow still going. There are other ways to treat things.

If an animal is rabid and bites someone, that's a problem, otherwise, keep the wound clean.

[torn shoal]

everything is a problem

with no real healthcare, people get sick, no heat in winter, you get sick, no vaccines, no medecine, etc

people dont live long cause of some miracle, is modern medecine and science

if an apocalypse happen, we will die much sooner

[median crag]

Insulated buildings, coats, blankets. You can survive with basic healthcare and medical knowledge.

Foraging herbs?

[torn shoal]

do you have the right seeds ? do you have a way to repair your building when its cracked by some faction that attacks ?

[molten nexus]

Hello everyone

[torn shoal]

most homes in the us arent insulated or even resistant to wind

[median crag]

They very much are, it's a literal building requirement

Wind resistant, not so much, but insulated yes

[torn shoal]

in the us ? i remember very much people dying in their home cause of freezing temperatures

[molten nexus]

played 1 Division, and listened to Aaron Keener's reports. And it seems to me that I began to understand his motives. He was not given the opportunity to save people in the Dark Zone, leaving them to their fate, and he became disillusioned with the government and the SHD, so he decided to desert, but he 100% lost his mind, stopped saving people, and on the contrary, caught fire with the idea of ​​​​creating a new virus

[torn shoal]

its like every winter in texas they are surprised it happen

[median crag]

I haven't frozen to death yet.

[torn shoal]

you arent the entire us

[molten nexus]

Bros,hello

[median crag]

Not because its cold, its because Texas doesn't expect snow.

[molten nexus]

Bros,hello

[torn shoal]

he didnt stop saving people

[median crag]

Sup

[torn shoal]

yeah its almost as if winter was a surprise every year lol

so its because its cold

[median crag]

Texas does not regularly get snow.

[torn shoal]

doesnt need to, houses arent resistant to cold, thats my point

[molten nexus]

he tried his best to stop SHD from achieving their goal of saving New York

[median crag]

This is pointless.

[torn shoal]

shd abandonned everyone tho

[torn shoal]

man you cant tell me people dying from cold mean houses are insulated xd

[molten nexus]

Guys, what do you think about Renegades?

[median crag]

People who die from the cold are usually out in the cold prior to going inside.

[torn shoal]

what about them ?

[median crag]

Frostbite is tough to rid, which is why a lot of those afflicted by severe frostbite are amputees.

[molten nexus]

Did they do the right thing by betraying SHD?

[torn shoal]

they didnt have much choice, its either letting people die in dz or going rogue to save them

[sudden mortar]

The who now?

[torn shoal]

the rouges

[molten nexus]

By the way, I'm still worried about something. Directive 51, that is, SHD - is it some kind of document? Or is it the second name of SHD?

[torn shoal]

directive 51 is the law making shd allowed to do anything they need

[median crag]

Directive 51 is a real thing, but in terms of the game, its a presidential directive in the event of complete government collaps

[molten nexus]

Captain Benitez just didn't say it directly

I can still understand Keener, but I doubt Fay Lau. Despite all the difficulties, she was loyal to SHD, but decided to desert.

[torn shoal]

you need to complete the div2 story

you'll learn a lot about faye

[small knot]

I’ve finally caught up with the story by completing all the man hunts and catching up with the Kelso one. This viper character is cool. Also a simp for Lau

[sudden mortar]

It's not that simple with Faye lau

[small knot]

Former simp given that my agent at least gave Lau a mega headache

[torn shoal]

you killed viper in wony

[small knot]

Wait Conley was viper?

[torn shoal]

wait

im mixing names i think

[molten nexus]

I watched the walkthrough of the Division 2 expansion - Warlords of New York. It seems like she was talking to someone from the "Black Tusks" and went over to them.

[median crag]

No, Viper was a manhunt target, Bardon's I believe

[sudden mortar]

Viper was a sub target on Faye manhunt.

[torn shoal]

yeah no, she is another target during faye manhunt

mb

[small knot]

Oof didn’t get to meet her then cause the legacy manhunts only allow you to go straight to the main target

But still I’m now caught up and still loving ANNA more, “why do they always fridge the lesbians?” She has me cracking up with her lines

[sudden mortar]

You get 4 sets of comms (of the other target of that manhunt)

[molten nexus]

Guys, please tell me, are there any tasks related to Ryan Marquez in Division 2?

or was it just for advertising?

[torn shoal]

ads only i think

[sudden mortar]

Like: if we got viper on Faye lau manhunt, so 4 of the 20 comms will be about a dialogue of viper with another character.

[molten nexus]

about Kelso: at first she didn't seem like an agent to me. No stripe, no watch (I saw one on her bottom, but that's weird)

[small knot]

Also is there a place where we can see Parnell like how we can see keener in the panic room cell? Or is he just not at the White House?

[torn shoal]

her watch broke in one mission i think

[ashen jungle]

All Agents wear the SHD Brick, and a watch.
Kelso notably had hers get broken fairly regularly, there's a running joke in a few missions.

@small knot He's currently in the meeting room with Manny, you can see the sign on the door says "glasses interrogation".

I hope someone cracks a window, they've been in there for weeks.

[molten nexus]

Didn’t know))

[sudden mortar]

DARPA should have hired NOKIA for those SHD watches then.

[torn shoal]

keener doesnt even have a bathroom that poor fella

[molten nexus]

I didn't know about Kelso, I was talking about her

[ashen jungle]

Just not the modern ones, mine did not last as long as my old 3310.

[small knot]

Also I wonder what keener plans to do with those 6 watches he had us help him get from the bunker in the manhunt mission with him. Hopefully one of them is for us

[torn shoal]

its for his rogue network i think

[ashen jungle]

I'm like 40% sure that those Watches were meant to tie in to the seasonal character stuff, but that's dead so who knows.

[small knot]

And I would happily join it if it means shiny red watch

[molten nexus]

It's a shame that you can't become a rogue at will

[sudden mortar]

On the Federal emergency bunker manhunt he said this was ANNA's gear for new recruits.

[molten nexus]

In game

[ashen jungle]

My assumption of the whole thing is that we'd have gotten to play as one of his new Rogues, hence them only lasting for a Season.

[small knot]

Agreed, we have all the rogue gadgets, just let us go rogue fr

[ashen jungle]

What could've been.

[small knot]

Me in the new recruit let me wear the thing. Also side note about that mission but when we shook his hand, was keeners watch orange or did my eyes mess up?

[molten nexus]

in general it would be cool to see a new part of Division about Aaron Keener for example

[torn shoal]

cant happen if he is rogue

[ashen jungle]

The entire current plot is about Aaron Keener.

[sudden mortar]

He turned his red watch in an orange ring for no reason.

[torn shoal]

isac wont let that happen

[ashen jungle]

We are hearing nothing but about how Keener was misunderstood all along.

[molten nexus]

Aaron is a character whose motives can be understood after all

[ashen jungle]

If we hear anything more about Keener, he's going to be nominated for sainthood.

[torn shoal]

i can fix him

[ashen jungle]

I think they mean can't.

[small knot]

Santa Aarón Keener de Carolina

[ashen jungle]

The war crimes I can deal with, even that haircut.
But giving yourself the codename Vanguard? Unforgivable.

[small knot]

Oh that reminds me, what are your agents code names?

[torn shoal]

that could be worse

he could have made anna like him

[ashen jungle]

He didn't make ANNA.

[sudden mortar]

Shame we can't kill keener, he is

[INVINCIBLE TITLE CARD]

[ashen jungle]

he doesn't actually know how to do any of this tech stuff.

[torn shoal]

not entirely, but change her to have anna like him

[ashen jungle]

Keener is great at getting other people to do stuff for him.

[torn shoal]

with theo help

[ashen jungle]

he probably doesn't know how to change his microwave clock.

[torn shoal]

yeah but theo does

[ashen jungle]

he was dumb enough to invest in crypto.

[torn shoal]

true

[ashen jungle]

I do love that they made that canonical.

[molten nexus]

Can you tell me who ISAC is? I know that it is some kind of voice assistant for SHD, but in part 1 there is an Asher (ISAC) costume, that is, some kind of personality. Isn't this the same ISAC?

[sudden mortar]

And dumb enough to not think like: if I fake my death on Liberty Island, will the agents shoot me in the head just to confirm it?

[torn shoal]

asher is an agent, isac is the name of the ai

[molten nexus]

Very interesting

[ashen jungle]

That's why Kelso "checked" him.

[torn shoal]

isac mean intelligent system analytic computer or something

[ashen jungle]

Keener not being dead I can deal with. But Theo died in gameplay.

that is sacred.

[torn shoal]

i guess not anymore

cant wait for hornet v3

[ashen jungle]

Hornet already broke that chain, I'm just annoyed I had to go through Liberty Island that first time for him to still be alive

[molten nexus]

By the way, I didn't find a single Easter egg on Ryan in Division 1, except for his jacket. It's a pity that he was apparently only used for trailers and advertising.

He is also a rogue

[ashen jungle]

The fact that I had to google his name to remember who he was says a lot.

[molten nexus]

Bronson and I think Megan were also with him

they should have dedicated at least an Echo record to them

By the way, I noticed that there are a lot of rogues in SHD. Keener did a good job

[rich lark]

Whats annyoning is the death being a sim created by our contacts and Issac is way too big to just ignore

[sick lantern]

i dare say “guy who went rogue in a trailer to demonstrate dz mechanics” isn’t in the same class as other rogues

[spring cypress]

I mean theo was able to fake his death earlier on in the mission, so It's not far fetch if he faked us Killing him

[ashen jungle]

The whole narrative of that Mission is that Rhodes solved that issue so he couldn't do it again.

Him just being able to do it again makes Rhodes look like a moron.

[small knot]

Or just proves how easy it is to manipulate and fool ISAC. While it is a valid point about Theo not being dead it could also show lore wise how easy it is to take down the division

That their amazing and intelligent ai assistant/program can be fooled by few lines of code

[sick lantern]

people say it’s “easy” when only a select handful of elite individuals, mostly division agents themselves, have done it

and it’s always brought up like it’s some kind of moral failure when it’s not

if they can trick ISAC into thinking a living person is a corpse then they should be capable of a lot more insane sh1t. but all they got is that and some menacing texts

[ashen jungle]

I obviously get what they're going for (it's not that complicated), but the fact that it's just thrown in there is my issue.

[small knot]

Lol keener being the godfather to parnells kid, he is very adamant about not being called grampy

[small knot]

Honestly I hope viper is alive cause I like the conversations she has with keener, it’s super casual and chill while also great lore moments that you gotta remembers. She seems almost like his lieutenant

[glad spruce]

One of the Descent comms has Viper and Keener discuss whether to recruit Birdie, and it was mentioned that Birdie and her adopted brother Vik were sent to the Castle Settlement, which happened at the end of the Recruiter Manhunt

[loud pilot]

so i played the division 2 before d1 and what happened to the d1 agent or are both d1 and d2 agents the same

[glad spruce]

The status of our Div 1 agent is so ambiguous, that you can pretend your Div 1 agent is also your Div 2 agent

[loud pilot]

im just listening back through old season comms and i got to vanguard and keener says i misjudged lau, i misudged you agent which through me off because he misjudged the agent in both d1 and d2 which doesnt make sense from what weve seen from keener in the past

[small knot]

If I’m not wrong the current living rogue members of keeners team is keener, Theo, and Kelso

Other agents like viper could be alive as it might be ambiguous maybe not but as of my knowledge those 3 are alive

[wicked gorge]

Well those are just the most important people, Keener definitely has more rogues

[cold bramble]

So keener and viper sent them there?

[glad spruce]

No, we did

[median crag]

She's dead, otherwise it would have jeapordized Lau's mission into the BT if she found out her girlfriend was still alive.

[ashen jungle]

I think their comment was more "she might not still be dead".

Which; fair enough.

[glad spruce]

Here's an idea, what if Viper faked her death in the same way that Vanguard and Glasses did? Hence why Lau's mission wasn't jeopardized

[torn shoal]

at this point might aswell bring back lau

and lewis

[glad spruce]

Lau and Lewis are dead, so no.

Nice try, btw

[marble dawn]

Thats what I'm assuming what happened, though raises the question of why Bardon and Lau weren't in on it.
Maybe it was a last minute thing, Vipers the closest to Keener out of the three (or the only one close rather)

[mint citrus]

This is the most tactical soap opera I've ever played

Bardon and Lau had planned things, iirc. Just that his coma put the kibosh on a lot of it

Plus he doesn't know that Lau's dead

[glad spruce]

He's gonna have a hell of a time when or if he wakes up

[mint citrus]

Oh absolutely

I do wonder if Sokolova has anyone in the Castle settlement though

The end of Mari's season indicated she did - or was that Johnson as her inside man?

[marble dawn]

thats how i've put it as well, similarly addicting 😂

[torn shoal]

keener and theo know this trick watch this : undead

[small knot]

This is the greatest description of this game so far

[small jetty]

I am severely hoping its just Keener and Theo being alive from the WONY team because if Kajika, Dragov, and Conley come back thats not gonna be happy reunion

[glad spruce]

Conley, Dragov, and Kajika ain't ever coming back.

Viper would sooner come back than those three crazies

[torn shoal]

hopefully nobody else comes back

except maybe emeline

she was nice

[ashen jungle]

.....nice?

I guess if you like mass murdering psychopaths, she's a living saint.

[sick lantern]

she already faked her death once, just make it a running gag

make it like Rita Repulsa whenever they need a villain for the week

[ashen jungle]

Until recently I would've said that bullets to the face were hard to fake.

but nah she's 100% dead: it does no good to bring back sub-factions again.

[torn shoal]

i mean she created a community that was thriving despite the ambient chaos and made sure they were there to help each others and understood the meaning of self sacrifice

(maybe im too much doing it)

[ashen jungle]

She let her people go infect orphans with green-poison coated puppies.

That is canonical, it's not just something that a Captain Planet villain would do.

[torn shoal]

that was a long time since anyone mentionned that cartoon

[ashen jungle]

I don't care if she's sad about her daughter. She was a straight up supervillain.

I grew up watching it

[torn shoal]

i mean, compared to every other vilain in this story, she def isnt the worst

i used to watch it too back then, but i dont remember much

[ashen jungle]

Who is actually worse than her?
Sokolova was invented later, but I guess technically she's the peak of that mountain.

[torn shoal]

the true sons are worse imo

heynas are true sons lite

[ashen jungle]

Work camps and The Castle is about on par with mass bio-terrorism, I'd say.

Hyena's just like making Dune-references with their drugs.

[torn shoal]

ye

heynas def cant see anything big

true sons def saw something big and it wasnt pretty

outcasts, idk, they are just desperate + willing to do anything to get back at the world

i can kinda understand

[late void]

I couldn't understand so many outcasts - sure there will be a few revenge obsessed nutcases but you'd think the vast majority of people would see the world falling apart and realise that clinging to grudges against 'everyone who didn't speak out' was a really petty and pointless exercise in the circumstances

[ashen jungle]

In terms of a video-game faction; sure I get it. The angry "outcast" type is fairly standard.

But it just does not hold up in the long-term.

[late void]

I suppose in many cases it was just staying in your existing group that offered some level of protection and support, even if you didn't agree with the direction

[torn shoal]

i disagree we can see it in the world rn, lot of people are angry they get left out and become violent, and usually its not because they are left out but told they should feel like it

[ashen jungle]

Lyfe, you know to not make that comparison.

[torn shoal]

i mean

[sweet crypt]

I don't like the whole faked death story lines, but Conley might make the most sense, as there was not much of a body left after her death.

[torn shoal]

hard to not make it

[ashen jungle]

It's a lot easier if you remember that most people are not within those few countries.

[torn shoal]

im talking about the us

[ashen jungle]

Yes, so am I.

[sick lantern]

kek

[late void]

The world right now isn't suffering total civilizational collapse with short term survival being increasingly unlikely. That sort of thing tends to change people's priorities.

[torn shoal]

i would agree if the setting wasnt drowning in guns and bullets

[ashen jungle]

There's a big difference between sympathising with someone's situation, and understanding that they have a broken perspective on things.

[torn shoal]

i do both here, i sympathize with them + understand they are going in the wrong direction

[ashen jungle]

The Outcasts do not "have a point". They are mentally scarred. That is obvious. A sane person does not wrap themselves in caution tape and sprint at armed people with a bomb strapped to their chest.

[torn shoal]

but usually when you're in this situation, its hard to have the right perspective

idk, i just feel like ingame they are under develloped

true sons and bt are straight up bad guys that just want power and step on anyone who refuses

heynas a low level gangs

outcasts are more interesting

[ashen jungle]

Frankly, if we get another Cleaners situation, I am going to be very unhappy.

[torn shoal]

wym

[late void]

Probably see some bt influence like they did with the hyenas in parnell manhunt, finding a way to manipulate the remaining outcasts to their ends

[ashen jungle]

For reference: having a Rogue secretly being second in command of the Cleaners back in div1, when the only indication we ever had back then was that Ferro was the glue holding it together. There's even a comm in WONY that calls Conley the power behind the throne, or whever term they used.

[torn shoal]

oh

[ashen jungle]

Expanding existing lore is tough, but I've never been a fan of "the big bad is someone added later, with no integration before the event".

[torn shoal]

yeah thats not great

[marble dawn]

BT has the Strategist so I'd expect to see them putting him in charge of the remaining outcasts, with BT pulling the strings behind the curtains as with Hyenas

[torn shoal]

didnt even know the strategist was still existing

[glad spruce]

He went off-screen ever since we captured him, then found out that Black Tusk took him and Tchernenko during their attack on the White House. And with the last time we heard of him was in Descent comms in Y6S1

[marble dawn]

In the phone calls taking place during the outbreak right?

[glad spruce]

Yes, the one between him and Donovan Tower

[torn shoal]

i didnt even know that

[glad spruce]

Well, you're about to know now:

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Mutated

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/DCD_HQ

[cold bramble]

Who’s donavan tower? That’s a new name. At least for me

[glad spruce]

He's a Hunter. And considering Descent comms from Y6S1 involved story beats that would've played out in Heartlands, 10 dollars says he would've played a part in that game's story as well.

[cold bramble]

So are we likely to not get the full picture regarding the stuff with heartland now? Or will they incorporate it into division 2 or 3?

[glad spruce]

Division 2? Not a chance. Division 3? Maybe.

[sick lantern]

interestingly the "big bad" of heartland from the trailer was a rogue agent named Killian Tower
either they changed his name behind the scenes or they were brothers

[cold bramble]

I guess with the uncertainty of this tencent deal has thrown everything up in the air too?

[torn shoal]

not really

people really dont understand what happenned recently

if you read french, oscar lemaire made a comprehensive therad about it

its mostly about staying owner of the different ip

[loud pilot]

What cartoon is that

[glad spruce]

Captain Planet

[loud pilot]

Ok thanks

Is heartlands dead in the water or is there a possible of revival because I need this lore it sounds mad juicy

[sick lantern]

if ubisoft continues as is, dead
if ubisoft gets bought out and a lot of stuff changes,- i'm not an industry expert but probably still dead

[glad spruce]

The most likely option, whic is still speculation, is that Heartland's stuff gets incorporated to Div 3

[median crag]

Hoping Heartland gets reworked so we're not in a fictional town and instead somewhere like Chicago

[small knot]

Glad I’m not the only one that wants to visit Chicago in this universe. But I do hope that D3 is something rather then just run around the map to do missions and more of like a direct offensive against BT and hunters. Idk how to describe it but a full head on war against them

[wicked gorge]

I would love to see a more remote location like silver creek or more countryside like

[small knot]

That’d be cool to but a place I really wanna see is the suburbs. Cities are cool but seeing the white picket fence suburbs filled with family homes I think would be really creepy. Seeing homes where families used to live just frozen in time cause of the outbreak would add to the creep factor

Rather then seeing fast food places, businesses and typical city locations, the suburbs would be a great place for that eerie experience that D1 had with the snow and New York

[tepid ibex]

Seeing those neighborhoods in The Walking Dead after the prison got overrun always stuck with me. Some 10 years ago n i still remember those episodes

[sick lantern]

black tusk can’t even take DC, how they gonna be in Chicago

[glass notch]

How many outcast suicide bombers exist?

[ashen jungle]

Finding out exact amounts of NPC's is impossible, as we're very deliberately never given exact totals of faction personnel.

[wicked gorge]

They step one foot into Detroit and get their hovercraft stolen

[ornate gull]

Either they're incompetent or can't escape Goodie Two-Shoes Curse

[wicked gorge]

Like 28 days later with Jim waking through London. Seeing places empty where you would usually expect people is off putting

[tepid ibex]

Exactly. Thats why the Last of Us is also great. Game preferably. Need more films to match this ambiance

[wicked gorge]

The show is fine imo with the atmosphere. That’s what I love about both division games, they strike atmosphere perfectly

[strange rock]

"people" = customers
People vote with their wallets

[loud pilot]

I like to think her and her armies were cursed by some random old grandma with like magic of some kind so even tho she doesn’t realize it she’s incredibly unlucky when it comes to taking on opposing forces

Because she can’t beat the rag tag team in dc and meanwhile all her plans are falling through and keener has invaded her entire military operation

[wicked gorge]

This is some Holes type of stuff

[loud pilot]

I’d be funny tho

[small knot]

You come outside and yo shit is GONE

[small knot]

Can’t wait till Theo and ANNA develop a way to counter the hunters emp pulse so we can punk them more

[torn shoal]

shouldnt happen, anna is still shd at the core

hunters are anti shd by essence

[wicked gorge]

Considering Hunters use the same tech as us, theres is probably more modified without restrictions

[sleek plover]

Hunters are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are hunters who hunt those who are hunted by the hunters which are...

[glad spruce]

I think I got a stroke reading this

[loud pilot]

Rubber room energy

[wise prism]

.....Must've gotten hit with one too many Hyena Rusher smacks to the head.

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm 6, Chickenhawk.

||Bridgette Douglas informs Aaron Keener and Bardon Schaeffer that Faye Lau has gained access to President Ellis, as he wanted to put her in his security detail. Keener was glad that his plan was working, even Douglas was surprised that it was working.||

||Of course, there was the matter whether Ellis gives Faye the key to the Ark. But if that doesn't happen and Ellis is out of the picture, the key would be automatically given to the Secretary of Agriculture, who she was working at a CERA Installation in Arkansas. Schaeffer, on the other hand, was concerned that Natalya Sokolova would kill the Secretary so Calvin McManus gets the key.||

||Douglas argued that it'd be easier for Nat to be the hero if she doesn't indiscriminately kill politicians to install her puppet. One "suicide" could be ignored, but seventeen untimely deaths is a pattern that Nat would not capable to explain away.||

||But here's a problem. When we finish Scout 6, ANNA informs us that the Secretary of Agriculture died last month due to Anaphylaxis. Allergic reaction to sesame oil. So, Cal now has the key to the Ark.||

[torn shoal]

yeah douglas is way too optimist

obviously nat would not let anything stop her from getting power

having a puppet is nice and all, but lets be real, you could just say "thats how it is now shut up" and people wont do anything

thats what happen most of the time anyway when they are short of excuses and it works

[hoary merlin]

Hello everyone, anyone have any news on The Division Resurgence? I had notifications enabled on my iPhone's Apple Store, but the game was recently discontinued in my country, and i can't find any information online about the game, its release date, or anything else.

[glad spruce]

Wrong channel!

[glad spruce]

I am starting to believe ||The Ark is an underground city or bunker built to survive nuclear holocaust.||

[wicked gorge]

Im pretty sure they exist in real life but are kept redacted. When I hear the ark, I just think to the final mission of dying light 2 which it was a bunker designed to outlast the virus

[torn shoal]

why would it be different from any other ?

[marble dawn]

||nuclear winter would give them a good excuse to put the cozy winter from div 1 into div 3 in whatever city they please|| 🤤

[torn shoal]

nuclear winter isnt the same as normal winter

its called nuclear "winter" cause it black out the sun for years or centuries and the global temperature will be lowered over time

ashes rain down, not snow

its also not livable for humans, we need the sun to be able to live

that not even counting getting plants or animals to farm

[glad spruce]

I'm starting to think that ||the Key is not something physical like an actual key. But something more along the lines of Biometrics.||

[late void]

Schaeffer is the key, no? I'm sure they said that somewhere. I assume they meant the key to the ark.

[torn shoal]

the key is the mcguffin

what it is exactly doesnt really matter

a code, a password, a real key, a fingerprint, etc, doesnt really matter

[glad spruce]

It does matter when we need access to the Ark

[autumn tundra]

Previous comms had Birdie (I think) mentioning the biometric locks for some BT bunkers or something. Think she mentioned Bonney getting them locked in there for an hour or something because he was too excited and his elevated heartrate tripped the alarm. But yeah I think it was mentioned that Schaeffer has this access too. I don't really understand how they wouldn't just revoke that lol. Seems like a massive loophole

Also as a side note, Schaeffer's VA returning for the comms is cool, they wouldn't have hired him back just for some comms so looking forward to see him wake up. Hopefully soon!

[glad spruce]

It was mentioned that the biometrics system isn't 100% foolproof since they were built to have the voice rhythm, eye scan, heart rhythm, and fingerprint simultaneously.

So I wouldn't be surprised if Schaeffer's biometrics wasn't removed cuz it wasn't worth the trouble

[autumn tundra]

Isn't the Ark protocol something separate? That Schaeffer likely won't have access to, as I presume he's not big cheese enough?

[glad spruce]

Yeah, cuz Ellis had access to it before he was killed by Lau.

And after that, the Secretary of Agriculture had access before she died from Anaphylaxis.

Which heavily indicates that Cal now has access

[autumn tundra]

DLC 2 underground city confirmed 😆

[torn shoal]

its a mcguffin, we will get it anyway

[glad spruce]

Okay

[rich lark]

Div 2 NYC metro city

[autumn tundra]

Damn that could be cool. I always really liked the metro areas in Div1 underground as well as the tunnels towards the end of Pathway Park mission in Div2.

[small knot]

Man this weeks manhunt missions has some interesting lore

I’m just wondering how big keeners network really goes

He has so many top dogs in the black tusk that I hope in either battle for Brooklyn or D3 we get to meet a lot of new people and new allies to work alongside with

[small knot]

Probably an obvious question but is that Schaffer in the medical bay of the White House laying in a hospital bed?

[loud pilot]

I think Schaffer will be coming back and waking up some time during the end or in a season or 2 after battle for Brooklynn

[late void]

@glass notch racial slurs are very much not welcome here

[glass notch]

Sorry but still, I didn't write the full word

[late void]

If you have to omit letters from a word to get it past the bot, that's generally a clue you shouldn't be using that word at all

[hoary merlin]

Or should i ask?

[ashen jungle]

@hoary merlin This one is just for lore discussion, I guess #td2-general-chat is okay, as long as you don't spam it.

[hoary merlin]

Okay thank you and i’m sorry!

[autumn tundra]

Yeah based on this season's trailer showing Schaeffer and the fact that his VA is back in the most recent comms, I think him waking up will be the final cutscene this season. Yannick did also say on a recent ubisoft stream something like "I am excited for the end of this season, for story reasons."

[loud pilot]

I didn’t even know he was in the season trsiler didn’t watch it

[autumn tundra]

It's nothing crazy, just a shot of him either lying the bed or in the wheelchair (I forget which) but I interpret it as him having a role to play either next season or season after, especially if the DLC launches alongside.

[loud pilot]

He prob will

[glad spruce]

It's a shot from the Season 11 ending cutscene

[autumn tundra]

Yeah I just meant they showed it again for this season, so that we don't forget him 😆

[glad spruce]

It was 2 years ago for us when it happened. And around 2 weeks since it happened in the game's timeline 😛

[autumn tundra]

Yeah lol, when I came back to the game a couple of months ago (after 2yr break) I was kind of mind blown by the in-game timeline where only like 2 months had passed in the game's timeline vs the 5 years irl since WONY lol

[torn shoal]

thats some time dilatation, goku would be proud

[rich lark]

Just happy we finally have reached fall

Because like BFB has autam leaves meaning we finally have left summer

[median crag]

Random thought, why don't we give Bardon a revive hive? That's how Keener brought back Hornet.

[glass notch]

Or a booster hive for increasing the adrenaline in his body

[glad spruce]

That's not what happened. Keener had Termite revive Hornet

[sudden mortar]

Because coma is very different from a heart stop.

[sudden mortar]

If you consider that the reviver hive is a long range defibrillator.

[median crag]

When we're downed, ISAC says we fall unconcious, but fair point

[sudden mortar]

But you also need to consider that ISAC is stupid, like he says vital signs zero but on screen it says we are unconscious. Even the Ortiz married couple confirms that on the descent comms.

[sand slate]

I also remember you saying how boring he is with the way he speaks

[mint citrus]

He's very machine-like. At least compared to Anna

[sick lantern]

almost as if he is an AI tool made to serve a utilitarian purpose

and not distract by whining about this that and the other in the midst of a battle

[cold bramble]

It would be nice to see isac get some love in the future

[mint citrus]

Robo-Garrus is just a silly li'l guy.

[glad spruce]

I still like ANNA more

[mint citrus]

As much as I'd like more lines for her outside the manhunt as an alternative to ISAC,,i'm aware it's both a time thing and costly to do lines for every little thing.

[ashen jungle]

Luckily, they seem to have both of the VA's on standby, especially ANNA's.

[mint citrus]

Like taking a control point before firing a flare used to have a line from Cindy where she'd notify you that it was captured

But those are gone now 'cuz she's at the Castle now

Wait, so - OH she was monitoring our progress via drone the whole time

How am I just getting that

[cold bramble]

Oh really?

[ashen jungle]

She voices Sokolova.

[glad spruce]

Do we have a name?

[ashen jungle]

Uh I did, gimme a sec.

Madison Walsh is who I was thinking of, who I know voices Birdie and Claire, I'm about 70% sure she also voices the other two as well.

[marble dawn]

Any idea on Cal's va?

[ashen jungle]

There's incredibly limited info out about most of the cast, but assuming he doesn't die before it, we'll find out in the DLC's credits.

I'll keep searching, but I've gone as far into the results rabbit-hole that I probably can.

[autumn tundra]

Yeah Claire, ANNA, Natalya Sokolova, Viper, and Birdie (as well as Saturn, Luna, and Shade from early manhunts) are voiced by the same person. That's cool you found the VA though, I did some digging through the cast a while back but gave up before I got to Madison Walsh in the list lol.

Calvin McManus is a bit more tricky I think due to the fairly heavy and over-the-top accent he's putting on. Very occasionally I think it sounds a little like the same VA for General Anderson or possibly the Recruiter and Billings but hard to say when it's only a word or two.

[ashen jungle]

I wouldn't be shocked if he shared one with Aaron Keener, as he's putting on an incredibly heavy accent himself.

There's no way someone that talented is doing just 1 voice.

John Hopkins, if you want to look him up. Prepare for shock if you don't already know.

[autumn tundra]

Oh yeah, I've looked him up before. British chap if I remember correctly and think he voiced a character in AC Syndicate, or whichever one that's set in London. You're right though, he does have a pretty similar pitch to McManus 👍

[rich lark]

So weird question you think Division is part of the ubisoft universe and if so wich other franchise would you love to see a crossover with

[ashen jungle]

so tl;dr no it's not connected to the others, but its a good fit for non-canon crossovers.

[rich lark]

The way I have always seen is it's a split so unlike the regular 2015 when AC syndicate Far cry 4 and raimbow six siege is happening the outbreak happens

I think a non cannon Assassin's creed crossover would be cool an assassin agent outfit and a classified assignment

[ashen jungle]

There's no direct confirmation on any particular time, so much like your Agent from div1: it's all "grey canon".
AC would work well, we've had a Rainbow 6 outfit before, and Resident Evil stuff of course. Breakpoint once too.

I hope they fold in other MSV made games, buuuut this is all very much not lore focused talk, so to get back to that: until we get a confirmation with the DLC or Div3, just kinda assume "it's fine" lol.

[rich lark]

Quick discuss the lore of why keeping Keener in the panic room is stuipid

[ashen jungle]

I genuinely have an answer for that: if you look at the right side of the gate, there's a human sized gap there.

It's the kinda security that let the White House fall after we left for a few hours.

[sick lantern]

something comedically unfitting like ruthless.com

[rich lark]

Yeah

[glad spruce]

Here we go again

[cold spire]

I want a strange mission of a "main character" you play with in Wildlands, coming back to New York for a new year's eve holiday to find out everything gone to Sh#&

[glad spruce]

"I hate Keener. He took my ice cream"

[ashen jungle]

He's gone down a rocky road for sure.

I got lost about halfway through reading that.

[ashen jungle]

Do you think that the White House falling was well set up, or used more as a shock moment?

If we compare it to Keener taking over the Quadcopter on Liberty Island, I think that one was well done, as the idea of "rogue shd equipment" was setup via the bosses unique SHD tech, the first of its kind that we'd seen in the series up to that point.

A hint somewhere that an insider was at the White House first would've solved any issues with it, just a line about a strange signal or something. That actually could've even helped setup the Kelso reveal too.

[rich lark]

It was a good set piece

[ashen jungle]

I'm not discussing its cinematic merits.

IMO at least some of the animosity to the whole situation was that the Manhunt before that was a bit of a slog in itself.

[cold spire]

Faye Lau would have been a good inside man as she has been around before we even arrived to Washington

[ashen jungle]

Her corpse was a great informant?

She was dead by the 4th OG Manhunt.

[glad spruce]

Are we already gonna discuss what could've been?

That's frickin boring.

[cold spire]

Wait. What while house falling are you talking about? I am missing something. Thought you guys were talking about since the beginning of div2

[ashen jungle]

@glad spruce Your attitude to anyone who disagrees with you is worse.

[glad spruce]

Season 11

[ashen jungle]

"Reign of Fire", known as the Stovepipe Manhunt. The one where you fight the Warhound "Sparkle".

We have what we have, Kelso is a maybe Rogue, I'm still not convinced entirely. Her use there could definitely work, and I'm thinking that may have actually been the case. There might be some subtle detail in it that I missed which informed on her turn earlier on than the reveal on the bridge.

[cold spire]

I would want to believe that she's not a Rogue. Since she's considered one of the loyal to the Division. But then again, a lot have turned for one reason or the other. Her on the other hand, I'd like to think she's hiding and sending us encrypted data so only the Division would find her, knowing everyone else is too busy with control, recruiting and resource exchange. She could know something vital or is being hunted.

[ashen jungle]

It's not really a situation of "rogue = bad guy" anymore. There's layers now.

[cold spire]

True. But the thing is, the ones that gone Rogue, we got to hunt. So I hope that's not the case with her

I'd suspect some of the Staff could be an informant. Like Coop Dennison 😂

[rich lark]

I actually think faye may be alive

But thats cause now we can't trust any kill since Keeners fake death and how we can't trust our AR glass

[ashen jungle]

If it was just Keener that was still alive, I'd be more inclined to disagree, but Theo being here still throws things out of wack.

[sick lantern]

every rogue who ever died ever gonna come back like infinity war

ferro and barrett? conley and dragov respectively hacked ur shd tech, they’re back too

[glad spruce]

Very funny

[torn shoal]

Shrek liked this message

And it was about time they changed the rogue thing from bad to "well akchtually"

[torn shoal]

Faye is confirmed dead by the devs iirc

I dont think anyone else is gonna Come back from the dead

[rich lark]

This is where they bring back earnheart

Turns out Cabals been keeping him locked up and that his body was fake in div 1

[glad spruce]

Amherst

I can't believe how hard it is to write his name properly

[torn shoal]

armrest

[ashen jungle]

It's a non english word, as someone with an eastern-European family name: you better believe people can't spell it.

[torn shoal]

it took me 25 years until i found someone that wrote/spelled my name properly xd

[rich lark]

I mean mines the same

[glad spruce]

I mean, some people still get my father's name wrong

I live in Middle East, so my father's name is my surname

[near totem]

How is the JTF able to power its major outposts or other settlements? Do they always stick to the diesel generators or is there a chance that JTF has control over few of remaining powerplants

[ashen jungle]

Solar-power would make the most sense, or they capture Hyenas and put a bag of spice just in front of a giant treadmill.

[loud pilot]

Don’t we control a nuclear power plant and have the necessary staff to keep it operation?

[tepid ibex]

There’s the Solar Farm control point we take over, that and what Larry said about the Warrengate Power Plant

[wicked gorge]

Theater probably runs off solar while the campus probably runs off solar and wind

[glass notch]

Theater also has aquaponics system right?

[wicked gorge]

Most likely alongside other rooftop gardens

[torn shoal]

seeing how many countdown mission are done everyday i dont think we control anything

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm 7, titled Vanguard.

||Bardon Schaeffer was puzzled when he learns that Bridgette Douglas is best friends with Aaron Keener, given his reputation, with Douglas explaining that they always have and will be friends.||

||When asked by Schaeffer if she ever hooked up with Keener, Douglas was so grossed out, she made a fake vomit noise and emphasized that she's just friends with Keener and nothing more.||

[loud pilot]

Honestly forgot about that

[glad spruce]

That's assuming our Countdown sessions are actually canon

[wicked gorge]

First session is probably cannon

[glad spruce]

Until confirmed otherwise, I'll only acknowledge our presence in the power plant was during Season 10 Manhunt finale.

[ashen jungle]

||Hearing someone say "ew" when mentioning hooking up with Keener gave me a nice dopamine hit today.||

[wicked gorge]

Y’all can’t see to understand the awesomeness of Aaron Keener

[near totem]

I totally forgot about solar panels lol, but would it be hard to maintain all of this infrastructure without specialized technicans or any settlement technician that will put a bit of effort in learning how to work with it, can keep it running?

Because i dont think JTF has a mobile service that sets up wind turbines and solar panels

[wicked gorge]

The Jtf would most likely have access to engineers and technicians, not to mention we have Wally who could rig up electrical generators, solar infrastructure, and I think hydro

[near totem]

So DC settlements have nothing to worry about in that case

Talking about infrastructure, I wonder if BT would try to sabotage our power grid

Well they tried to turn off the ISAC node twice

[wicked gorge]

Power grid would work a lot differently, since most of the actual infrastructure is damaged or destroyed, the BT would have to either bomb the shit out of solar arrays, makeshift power grids, or infiltrate the settlement and sabotage it

[torn shoal]

the guy that killed thousands and tried to kill even more ?

[wicked gorge]

Yep

[glad spruce]

Didn't we discuss that before? I feel like I'm in a deja Vu.

[wicked gorge]

Maybe, I don’t remember if we did or not

The White House has a separate power grid/backup generators so they could easily be converted while areas like the theater, Campus, and Castle definitely have engineers

Plus division agents are probably trained to an extent on how to stabilize power fluctuations and set up energy sources

[ashen jungle]

You'd think more solar and other renewable energy sources would be the prime candidates, with limited non renewable resources at a premium.

Wind+solar alone could do a whole lot, maybe the reason they keep trying to lure dogs in is to get them to run on power treadmills

[torn shoal]

Isac in itself must be demanding a lot of electricity

Not even counting the skills

[wicked gorge]

Since society has collapsed, I doubt they have the necessary resources and manpower to set up more efficient solutions. They could probably set everything up but it would take a lot longer to find the resources and people with engineering skills

[loud pilot]

With the talent we have at our disposal in dc and nyc I doubt it would be as difficult as your making it sound even just the talent at the castle would be enough

[torn shoal]

making it work isnt difficult, but you gotta wonder what you're powering

not like you had internet left so the need for computer isnt really a thing beside drone operator

you're basically powering stuff to grow vegetables, which doesnt need much

[ashen jungle]

Battery charging is the main thing. You need light sources of a nighttime, and heat/cooling for systems. There's a lot actually.
Especially with the BoO itself having that mass of Servers, etc.

[torn shoal]

yeah i wonder whats the use for it tbh

hope its for storage of cat videos

[median crag]

The nuclear plant that Countdown takes place in is/was still active. Makes sense as to why most of DC still has power.

[spice stag]

Ok, so here’s the entire Division universe/timeline in chronological order:

Tom Clancy’s The Division 1 (2016) —> Tom Clancy’s The Division Resurgence (TBA/TBD) —> Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 (2019) (including the DLCs: Warlords of New York and Battle for Brooklyn) —> Tom Clancy’s The Division Heartland (Cancelled) —> Tom Clancy’s The Division 3 (TBA/TBD)

What you guys think?

[rich lark]

Source?

[sick lantern]

you forgot all the EU media.

[ashen jungle]

That was lost in the Divexit.

cmon that joke was solid.

[spice stag]

Including the comics and novels

[sick lantern]

Yep, those are the things you forgot

one interactive puzzle book, four novels, one graphic novel, one comic, one audiobook

[spice stag]

And the upcoming Netflix film

[sick lantern]

I’d hesitate to call it coming

[torn shoal]

the copium is strong here

[haughty magnet]

ubi wont take that risk

[glad spruce]

How about this for a timeline:

The Division 1 --> Resurgence --> New York Collapse --> Broken Dawn --> --> Extremis Malis comic --> The Division 2 --> Episode 1: Outskirts --> Episode 2: Pentagon, The Last Castle --> Episode 3: Coney Island --> Warlords of New York --> Recruited (Book 1)? --> Shadow Tide (Y2S1 --> Keener's Legacy (Y2S2) --> Concealed Agenda (Y2S3) --> End of Watch (Y2S4) --> Hidden Alliance (Y4S1) --> Price of Power (Y4S2) --> Reign of Fire (Y4S3) --> Broken Wings (Y5S1) --> Puppeteers (Y5S2) --> Vanguard (Y5S3) --> First Rogue (Y6S1) --> Shades of Red (Y6S2) --> Burden of Truth (Y6S3) --> Battle for Brooklyn

I ain't got no idea where Compromised and Hunted take place, cuz there's conflicting fan theories suggesting they all take place before Y5S2 or months after the current in-game timeline

[wicked gorge]

Technically you could put the end of Hunted after BFB

[glad spruce]

Perhaps_PeterGriffin.gif

[torn shoal]

better timeline : the before ==> the after

works for everything

[glad spruce]

I'll keep that in mind for next time

[wicked gorge]

Before time, there was the cube

[rich lark]

The main issue with timelines is we have never been giving concrete dates for stuff

[wicked gorge]

All we can go off is we’re in late 2016

[rich lark]

Apprently so

[sick lantern]

2017*

well i cant properly remember actually
whoever said it "go back and stop amherst" did they say 2016 or 2015 but i'm pretty sure they said 2016

then +8-9 months from div 1 would be 2017

[torn shoal]

all this timeline stuff, cant wait for the div 4 where we get sent to the past to stop the creation of the green poison but then we create something worse

[glad spruce]

No

I don't see any reason for Manny to not mention 2015 in a comm from Y6S1 if the Green Poison didn't break out in December 2015

[torn shoal]

let me dream 😡

[spice stag]

Nice 👍

[spice stag]

I guess Heartland and The Division 3 are not included

[glad spruce]

Heartland is cancelled with only remnants of its story living on Descent comms.

Division 3 is still in development, which would be a while till we even get a reveal trailer and gameplay reveal

[spice stag]

I guess Heartland takes place in between the events of The Division 2 and The Division 3

But then Battle for Brooklyn will take place during the Fall/Autumn season which was Heartland’s weather system before it was taken down

Can’t wait to see the Spring season in The Division 3 since we had Winter in the first game, Summer/Fall in the second game

[obsidian jay]

I thought div1 happened after resurgence? If I can recall there was something about being first wave agents

[sick lantern]

due to plot reasons you’re a first wave agent still around after 1

[obsidian jay]

Huh.

[sick lantern]

the first mission is before div 1, the rest of the game is after

iirc afaik

[glad spruce]

Well, I haven't played Resurgence's beta, so there's that

[torn shoal]

how dare you not have played everything in and out to search for every inch of lore aviable

[glad spruce]

In fairness, I don't play a whole lot of mobile games

[wicked gorge]

How dare you not look into the least important characters side plot Hawkster….For shame

[glad spruce]

Speaking of side plot, I wonder if making a website called Previously on The Division would be helpful

[torn shoal]

what you mean ?

like a lore recap ?

[ashen jungle]

NGN gonna show up at your place with the "reminder bat".

[torn shoal]

i thought exactly the same

[glad spruce]

Yes

[glad spruce]

Nah. He and I are friends 😄

[torn shoal]

ngn showing in the back with a knife
"you fallen into my trap"

[glad spruce]

heavy sigh

I am not stepping on his territory. I'm merely trying to add my own perspective to the lore

[torn shoal]

i was just making a joke dont worry

cause im funny like that

[wicked gorge]

I believe in you Hawkster

[ashen jungle]

Is your goal to add a personal perspective, or to archive?

[kind hare]

100% you should do this. I've thought about this many times over the years. I'll even help if you'd like?
... and we're totes friends 😊

In fact I'll be in your geographical location in about 20 hours 😅

[ashen jungle]

I knew it, NGN is approaching with the reminder bat!

[marsh sundial]

I booted up Div1 for a sec, I forgot how bad that UI looks

[glad spruce]

Archive

[glad spruce]

And thanks for the encouragement, NGN. Just need to find something like Canva or Wordpress to get things started

Cuz I have zero coding knowledge lol

[rich lark]

So I just realised division takes place 2016

Not 2015 like everyone thinks

I'll post the evidence and source in the photomode chat but div 1 takes place later 2016 to early 2017 making div 2 land in summer of 2017 then battle of brooklyn fall of 2017

[sick lantern]

2015 was never in the runnings anyway

[rich lark]

Actually it was considered to be december of 2015 for the longest time

[sick lantern]

i think i might’ve heard that a couple of times but it came out in march 2016 and was always accepted to be december-january so

[sick lantern]

doesn’t matter now anyway

[sick lantern]

promotional material isn’t really hard canon

[ashen jungle]

Basically, this ^
div is grey canon: the game series. Just go with it.

[loud pilot]

I love how ngn is the byf of the division just shows up every now and again to talk lore with the community I love it when content creators in the lore space engage with their community

[torn shoal]

byf ?

[loud pilot]

Byf is like the lore guy for destiny 2 and well liked in the community like ngn

[ashen jungle]

Let's not go crazy now

[loud pilot]

Wdym

[glad spruce]

Oh no

[rich lark]

It's so dumb that the govement didn't have a division agent put in the line of succession

[torn shoal]

thats logical actually

you dont want to put the possibility of power to the people in charge of killing everything, in case they go rogue

people in line of succession arent people that are good for the job, but people you trust with your life

even if they are dumb as a brick

thats why armies have lot of dumb people in command, they are dumb but loyal

where an intelligent commander would question your decisions/choices/etc and might decide to replace you

think anderson and why naved him : stupid af but loyal

thats why lewis didnt go the same route

that works for most hierarchies, govs, armies, companies, gangs, etc

[loud pilot]

Wdym oh no is that a bad thing

[glad spruce]

I was seeing Jacobin trying to make a post.

Let's just say his posts.... are interesting

[loud pilot]

Oh ok

[loud pilot]

But like I’d rather have keener in power then Calvin McManus which I’m pretty sure he is after the head of agriculture died

After the comms a couple weeks back

[sick lantern]

i'm not sure that he has, regardless, mcmanus would still need to be sworn in and recognised by someone the same way Ellis was, which he hasn't been

[torn shoal]

i mean keener at the wheel wouldnt be possible or good, he is the first rogue and doesnt have wellbeing of people in mind

mc manus will prob become president at some point, and at this point he might deactivate isac and make every agent rogue

so we have to stop that before that happen

[loud pilot]

I don’t know if he has been sworn in yet but I’m pretty sure he’s in the next line of succession after agriculture

[torn shoal]

there is no news saying he was sworn in yet

[sick lantern]

he is literally at the bottom of the list too

[loud pilot]

McManus def would do that

[torn shoal]

yeah

thats why we need to stop him

[loud pilot]

You might be right I need to listen to the comms again when I get home

[torn shoal]

same way cassandra stopped ellis

[sick lantern]

by the way, take everything Lyfe says with many grains of salt, as they often say things that aren't true in this channel

just an fyi

[torn shoal]

tbh mcmanus is only a pb because of his position in gov

[loud pilot]

Is Cassandra Lau or Kelso I keep forgetting

[torn shoal]

both, kelso took on the mantle

[loud pilot]

Ok

[loud pilot]

Ah ok

[torn shoal]

thats why this season we are trying to reconnect with kelso

and she has riddles for us to see if we can be trusted

cause whatever needs to be done cant be done by a loyal agent to shd

stopping ellis couldnt be done by shd agents since he was president and he override any decision

so lau had to go rogue to do that

now, it might be mcmanus turn

we'll know more at the end of season + next season + dlc

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm 8, Glasses.

||The comm starts with Viper saying Theo is the best. Bardon Schaeffer asks ANNA what she thinks of Theo, and she calls him the kindest, smartest, and most handsome man who have ever lived. Schaeffer asks her if Theo programmed her to say that, ANNA confirms though what she said about him is mostly true.||

||Viper asks ANNA where's the lie, and the AI confirms that Theo is not the most handsome man. When asked who's the most handsome man, ANNA answers it's Vanguard, which Viper found it gross and asks the AI if Keener programmed her to say that. ANNA answers that he did not, but he knows how to make her feel good.||

||Schaeffer felt ANNA's voice was similar to Viper, so he asks her if she's ANNA voiceover. Viper was not, and said it was Claire. Viper becomes baffled when Schaeffer admits he didn't read the briefs she gave him on Claire Ortiz. Therefore, she tells him that Theo didn't build ANNA, he just set her free. Claire is the one who built and voiced ANNA. and if they want this to end, they need Claire.||

[subtle mango]

Uhm, who is the "agent" and can they become or do they become rogue eventually? From a lore standpoint.

They've been sent on I mean every damn thing the division needs done I feel like the crashout would be justified.