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radiant summit
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I thought they were just remnants using old gear

near totem
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Cleaners would just turn them to ash with no question asked, with rikers well maybe the would let in some of them but the ones that wont qualify well, its the end of the line for them

radiant summit
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If they were actual JTF LMB killing them off was MEGA dumb, I'd of freaking loved to of seen those guys

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Also not to mention having LMB characters you can interact with

tepid ibex
near totem
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They still used the green tape petter

radiant summit
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I'd imagine they wouldn't like agents much and it's sort of an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation with them

near totem
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Something like Paul in div 1

radiant summit
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Yeah

sudden mortar
near totem
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He didnt like us when we first met

radiant summit
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Though more off with you given you did kill a lot of their guys

near totem
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Or if ubi is bored they can try to pull of "I was never in that blackhawk"

radiant summit
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Some might be defected JTF that regret what they did

sudden mortar
near totem
radiant summit
tepid ibex
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Lmaoo

near totem
sudden mortar
tepid ibex
radiant summit
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From what I remember LMB weren't exactly evil, civilians in their areas weren't shot on sight and could live there though under martial law

near totem
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Lets just wait for the "therenever was a blackhawk in the first place"

radiant summit
tepid ibex
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shhh

radiant summit
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Jaco who?

near totem
near totem
tepid ibex
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A devout Rioter

sudden mortar
radiant summit
tepid ibex
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just tread lightly ezzz

near totem
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I think it was in Acostas comms

radiant summit
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Ok yeah they were bad but at least not as bad as True Sons

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True Sons were more like Mafia around civvies

near totem
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Well true sons is a Militia, works a bit diffrent

radiant summit
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Just in regards to organised factions that don't just murder everyone on sight

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LMB, True Sons, BTSU

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BTSU is probably the least evil of the lot

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There's a neat echo you can find of a squad coming across a civvie

near totem
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I remember an echo were some rikers tried to jump over a fence in LMB controlled area, one tried to give the middle finger to a sniper, he was killed mid sentence

radiant summit
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Sure one of them wanted to shoot her but the others disagreed

near totem
radiant summit
radiant summit
near totem
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Oh it was a refference to April Kelleher

radiant summit
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She seemed quite unphased considering there was a minigun dude with the squad lmao

sudden mortar
radiant summit
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BTSU propaganda speakers also make them come off more like liberators

near totem
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Well, they wont just say : well we kill who we want when we want but the division is worse blah blah blah

near totem
glad spruce
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Only because she wanted Mackenzie to bend the knee

near totem
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Yeah, friendship doesnt exist for Nat

mortal flame
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No one left alive to do that

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except Theo…

sudden mortar
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You know what is funny about the recruiter, he might be badass, scary, ruthless and a hunter but he also canonically played "shuttlecock" with agent Ward and Dunne petter

ashen jungle
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You know that's an actual game, right?

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It's the thing you use in Badminton. Also known as a "birdie".

sick lantern
near totem
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Calvin just wanted to have friends and wanted to be in their friend group

mortal flame
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he just wants to be one step closer to being President

glad spruce
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Reminds me of that one Descent comm

sick lantern
mortal flame
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Hey you need to be inclusive

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Not just men sacrificed their lives for the US of A

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The women and children too

wicked gorge
torn shoal
glad spruce
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Hey, just letting you guys know that I'll be away from this channel until I finish both the Manhunt and get the weekly Descent comm.

near totem
wicked gorge
near totem
near totem
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I wonder if BTSU has their own paratroopers

wicked gorge
true fox
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It's tomorrow

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Another season finale

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And I have a question.

tepid ibex
true fox
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Oh my, I forgot to come back, I'm sorry.

The question is: (although I have more)

Is Lady Kelso or Claire?

ember temple
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Is this another Theo riddle 😂

ashen jungle
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@true fox What on earth does that mean?

true fox
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Just a moment, I'll be right back, I'm playing.

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In the vanguard, Keener, before going to Liberty Island, told Faye Lau that he was going to deliver the package to Lady and then Faye would open the suspended backdoor. As soon as they are in both systems (I already know which ones), the glasses code would be shared with all interested parties.

Some people believe that Lady is Kelso's codename. Even though Keener now calls her Cassandra. I guessed it was Claire, as I understood the package to be data and not an object

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I know this question has been around for a while, indeed. I was just waiting longer to be sure. If it's Kelso, I know why. But I wanted to ask you all

torn shoal
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I mean statue

glad spruce
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Descent comm 88, titled Mel.

||In this comm, Aaron Keener talks with Bridgette Douglas about Mel Arnold, seeing them as an excellent asset where their experience with speculative fiction and sustainability, help feed bodies and mind for the people in his settlement.||

||Douglas has apprehension about recruiting Mel, given they had a share of stalkers, with Keener dismissing it as no one worth their salt never had a stalker, where Douglas doesn't see it as a compliment at all.||

||Douglas then mentions Cassandra Raines, who was a fanatical fan of Mel Arnold's work and mentions that she started a cult called the Reborn. Keener thinks there's an opportunity there, leading Douglas to believe he's building a cult.||

||Keener insists he's not building a cult, but finds a good opportunity having one in their back pocket. When he asks Douglas of the Reborn's location, she replies that they're at Louisiana but they've been moving west since the hurricane.||

fresh nymph
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||Holy shit that was one tank of a boss||

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||Tbf I was running a foundry tank build on challenging, dude was really not willing to die||

waxen sonnet
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So I'm going to be late

glad spruce
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No worries. There's 4 of em, so take your time. Heck, maybe rogue_agent's second channel would help you out once you get to it.

glad spruce
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||Yeah, the final Manhunt comm confirms once again that the current timeline in Division 2 is a few years before 2022||

sudden mortar
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Am I missing something? Who the hell is ||Fernanda?||

glad spruce
sudden mortar
glad spruce
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It was first revealed in the Recruiter Manhunt finale mission

sudden mortar
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Really? I don't remember hearing ||Fernanda|| on that mission, I'm gonna replay it later to check

glad spruce
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It's heard immediately at the start of mission

waxen sonnet
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|| Oh snap that Thaddeus Greene Refrence||

glad spruce
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||At this point, I'm convinced that Compromised and Hunted take place months ahead of the current Div 2 timeline||

waxen sonnet
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Am I making sense trying to explain that, I feel that was just word salad.

glad spruce
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It makes sense to me

true fox
torn shoal
true fox
torn shoal
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did he says he launch at the statue ?

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or from the statue ?

sudden mortar
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By the way, ||I wonder who is the woman saying that "the division is here" to Bichon, My theory is that it's either Mayhem or a new character since she doesn't have a name on subtitles||

true fox
mortal flame
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How do you guys black out your comments like that?

glad spruce
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|| on each side

sudden mortar
mortal flame
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😭 div2salute oh ok… carry on

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||then what do you call the woman who created you||

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Heh

tulip shale
marsh sundial
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Random thoughts, should there be a "SHD Rainbow"? Like sure the core idea of the Division was keep freedom freedoming but that works best on an international level.
Note, when I say SHD Rainbow I mean having Agents (American or otherwise) in countries to act in worst case scenarios

wicked gorge
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The division was created to be more of a secret contingency plan, if you wanna be technical, rainbow could exist in the division universe but its operators would probably be pulled back to their countries

marsh sundial
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I know building isac nodes in other countries would be 50 shades of crime but I'm thinking the international teams would be trained for a different style over the us groups

wicked gorge
wicked gorge
marsh sundial
glad spruce
wicked gorge
fresh nymph
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Might try and solo it if I truly hate myself

wicked gorge
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There’s no cutscene or anything else after the manhunt besides the comms correct?

fresh nymph
glad spruce
fresh nymph
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Guess we wait till the 26th

fresh nymph
glad spruce
fresh nymph
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Cause we are looking at a year+ minimum after that for TD2

wicked gorge
fresh nymph
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Initial 0-30 happened 7 months after TD1s events, WONY is undisclosed

glad spruce
devout trail
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||rest in peace odessa sawyer||

fresh nymph
fresh nymph
glad spruce
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For WONY, it's fair to say it took place mid-August since Jupiter Manhunt started around 20 August

devout trail
glad spruce
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I think Diablo is trolling

devout trail
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nope

fresh nymph
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I mean could we argue 2018-2020 being the window that TD2 happened

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Its feasible

glad spruce
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I suppose

fresh nymph
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Interpretation stuff ig

wicked gorge
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Doesn’t the div 1 take place at the end 2015 to early 2016

glad spruce
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Also, ||where is this whole Odessa Sawyer is dead coming from? I'm convinced it's a trolling technique cuz she hasn't been relevant for a while||

wicked gorge
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So current timeline is October 2016

devout trail
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||we rescued odessa daughter from hayena but why she joined them just to die from division||

glad spruce
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Y'know what, I'm not getting into this

wicked gorge
devout trail
fresh nymph
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Is this the comm from rerunning the manhunt

glad spruce
devout trail
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then u compare

glad spruce
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First off, ||Bichon is a guy and talks like a guy. How the hell is he Odessa Sawyer in any way?||

devout trail
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check dm

wicked gorge
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Does he speak the truth Hawkster

glad spruce
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I'm not sure.

sudden mortar
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No source, no proof

devout trail
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well if the picture i shared isnt enough then idk what else

devout trail
sudden mortar
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It would be funny if Manny and Theo just start discussing baby Parenthood or Manny just put Theo in the cell with Keener like some kind of police officer.

wicked gorge
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Anyone else notice that the hyenas have a new archetype

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@glad spruce ||Hes trolling, just got the final comm||

tepid ibex
wicked gorge
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They have a heavy weapon archetype now

tepid ibex
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like, today now?

wicked gorge
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Yeah in the manhunt mission

tranquil haven
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well yes as the Theo manhunt climax mission dropped today

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they're exclusive to that mission for now

wicked gorge
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Really? That sucks

tepid ibex
glad spruce
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The ||new Hyena archetype is the RPG gals, similar to True Sons RPGs||

glad spruce
cold bramble
wicked gorge
sick lantern
cold bramble
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So nice to be going back to where it all started all that time ago

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I can’t wait

wicked gorge
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For the people who completed the manhunt ||Why does Theo need a server tower that ****ing big in the main lobby and how the hell did he build it||

fresh nymph
cold bramble
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Idk how others feel but I really think the dlc will be worth it

fresh nymph
sick lantern
fresh nymph
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Honestly a month does sound reasonable

sick lantern
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div 1 is late december early january, div 2 is 7 months later, but it hasn't gotten cold again yet

fresh nymph
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A month for the agent to fully clear DC, and all of the off site missions? Sounds doable

sudden mortar
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Btw, Black tusk at this point is supporting almost every faction to take us down, they allied themselves with the true sons, Cal hunter (wright) was providing tech to the cleaners and now ||Black tusk is actively providing gear gear and weapons to the hyenas (but in a less subtle than they did back when the SHD network went down in the beginning of the game, the new RPG hyenas even have BT logo on their explosive satchel).||

wicked gorge
fresh nymph
glad spruce
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Yeah, ||Marty "Sparrrow" Kincaid. We never encountered nor heard him before. Guess he's a new asset in the BTSU.||

waxen sonnet
wicked gorge
waxen sonnet
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Also know

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It's just why is that ** the first thing I see coming back to the channel all day

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Its like history channel at 2am level conspiracy theories

glad spruce
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Okay, that's funny

wicked gorge
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You mean how the chupacabra built the pyramids

mortal flame
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It’s Aliens

glad spruce
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Sometimes, I like talking lore/story with Jack on DMs

wicked gorge
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Ouch Hawkster, that kinda hurt 😦

tepid ibex
wicked gorge
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Some places yes

near totem
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That Manhunt was great

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|| So while we were searching for Theo,he made a hideout in Space administration, or he could have started building it when Keener came back? ||

glad spruce
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||I'd say Theo built it up when he, Keener, and Kelso were forced to split up after they were greeted by a Black Tusk "welcoming party" when they arrived to DC||

slow mango
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As someone newish to div 2 is the new york dlc seperate to the main story?

near totem
tepid ibex
slow mango
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Okay ty so new york is ahead of what we are doing atm then?

tepid ibex
slow mango
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||So we kill keenan and parnell and they come back?||

near totem
glad spruce
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||Technically, we killed their holographic body doubles||

slow mango
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||That makes more sense thank you was a bit confused when I saw keener alive in the white house lol||

mortal flame
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I still don’t get how we see Keener in the end woty cutscene “take his last breath”

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Like no one tried to move “the body” and found it to be an illusion

sudden mortar
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Well, Kelso touched it

mortal flame
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Exactly… so what did the JTF personnel say when they came to collect the body for identification? Like they did Lau…. Unless it was the same thing with Lau and she’s actually not dead and Benitez has someone else’s ashes……

true fox
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Honestly, I was expecting more information from the architect of the technological plans to make sense of their return. I will finish listening to the remaining data.

mortal flame
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They don’t want to spoil Div 3 plot lines yet lol

surreal hearth
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I’m starting to get the feeling that the cabals are engaged in faction warfare

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If the black Tusk cannot finish us off then they’ll use fractional warfare to manipulate to do it for them

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I’m shocked that Bridgette Douglas was a hunter all along

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I’m starting to wonder if she still alive or did we literally kill her if we did she could’ve been a valuable asset to the division and the rogues

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At the same point I get the feeling that Keener has additional contingencies

mortal flame
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“Theo we need to fall back to Plan G…. agents doing the missions another few thousand times for lore reasons Make that T”

lavish galleon
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||so after doing the manhunt mission is there anything else after orr just the comm given?||

robust fiber
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I'm catching up on some division lore. What's the main goal of rogue agents?

wicked gorge
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Well it depends, are you talking about Keener and his rogues or just rogues in general

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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generally their shtick

robust fiber
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I know that you have rogues that genuinely want to kill people, and then you have the other rogues who want to team up with Divusion agents to fight off the Black Tusk and Hunters.

cold bramble
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Wait so were we fighting keeners double on liberty island the whole time?

glad spruce
glad spruce
ashen jungle
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Haven't had a chance to open the game yet since the change-over, please tell me you're joking.

obsidian jay
late void
tranquil haven
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they also went to DC at least once between the events of Div 1 and WONY for the simulation program +portable SHD server, hence all the dead drop audiologs taunting the player agent

glad spruce
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BTW, ||Theo is inside Manny's room in the White House after the Manhunt mission and being held for interrogation.||

Proof:
#ask-td2-community message

surreal hearth
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This is a problem for us that this cabal is attempting to bring back previous factions that we just dismantled as the hyenas were hired to capture Theo Parnell in exchange on restoring mayhems former councils that were gunned down by the division

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This butch guy was deadass to do it but failed

near totem
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|| I think i have a theory for the Sparrow, im not sure if im connecting the dots right, but i think Sparrow is the person that connected The Hyenas with BT and gave them grenade launchers and other toys||

shell parrot
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Where is Theo in the White House?

glad spruce
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||He's inside Manny's room upstairs. Go upstairs and check the door with the sign that says Division Coordinator. Besides it is sign that has a writing saying "Do not disturb! Glasses interrogation is in progress."||

mortal flame
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I can’t believe everyone is making fun of him about wearing glasses

sick lantern
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Keener is manipulating everyone around him at all times and can't be trusted, Kelso doesn't really count, Parnell ehh maybe he's alright

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compare that to every other rogue ever basically

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Hunted: ||there's four jobber rogues who form a temporary alliance with Division agents against the Black Tusk, with the full understanding that the huge battle going on is an exceptional circumstance||

gaunt ice
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fyi rogue agents are mostly scumbags who only joined up with Division because they’re woefully outmatched against black tusk

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i feel like i have to make that point clear, that they’re not doing it cuz its the right thing or whatever thats like less than 5% of them

wicked gorge
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There are some rogue agents that are more chill than others, some just went awol due their families or being done with everything

sick lantern
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fight the fascist illuminati nwo? nah fam i miss my mom

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she makes good chicken

mortal flame
ebon bear
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Do you we know who's voice it is that says 'division incoming bichon' in the theo parnell climax mission? Also is there anymore information on Alice Cotswald outside of recordings?

sudden mortar
ornate gull
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I been wondering

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How do Agent officially retire ?

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Like how mamy year they have to serve

ashen jungle
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Gunshot to the head.
You're part of a black-ops program that doesn't officially exist. You don't get to retire.

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Unofficially? There's precedent of a massive injury making it "okay", e.g. Sawyer's leg.

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Unless the lore has been changed again, which wouldn't surprise me.

ornate gull
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So... No amnestics pill or inject to make retire Agent forget everything

ashen jungle
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At this stage, it would not surprise me.

mortal flame
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the green stuff we use to revive ourselves have a great hangover effect btw

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intense week afterward once you’ve stopped using it for a day

ornate gull
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Well they can still use the good old cocktail since NYC

ashen jungle
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In my head-canon, that's just Spice, but it's like drugs back in the day used to be a legitimate medicine.

ornate gull
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But material to make those are likely no longer in stock

ashen jungle
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Gatorade: the new liquid gold.

mortal flame
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Back to basics I guess

ashen jungle
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Not to get too off-topic or anything, but just drink water throughout the night and you'll be like, 80% better.
but since this is the lore channel, uh, I wonder if booze is rare now, or if everyone died off fast enough that there's tons around.

sick lantern
ornate gull
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The whole city go unstable, chaos, anarchy

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So not hard to understand to see local shop being looted

dawn stone
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Anyone else listen to the comm where he explains what the hunter masks would of been like for the new generation of them how does a mask do all that 😭

near totem
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I was kinda suprise they could fit all of that in a ballistic mask

ornate gull
dawn stone
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Also was interesting seeing a enemy with a prosthetic leg

ornate gull
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Well BT have everything

dawn stone
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One step closer to full cyborg wahaha

ornate gull
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Or full maverick

dawn stone
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That two

ashen jungle
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TiL pirates are cyborgs.

dawn stone
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I wonder if we will see the new enemy type that appears later ain't no way they gave it a hole new skin for just a single mission

ornate gull
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Still waiting for BT deploy autonomous droid

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Aside those Hound

dawn stone
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I want to work along side the hounds would be very cool

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Why was they so interested in telling us Theo's love life more than actual important things 😭

near totem
ashen jungle
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It's a great way to distract from the fact that Theo is a murderer who deserves to be dead.

ornate gull
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Or deploy their BTSU White Tusk in campaign

ashen jungle
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Every comm that played, I kind of wanted it to show up an image of the greiving family of those JTF people he murdered.

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Like that bit in Austin Powers.

dawn stone
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Hey hey remember he's just a bit quirky 🤣

ornate gull
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Talk about JTF

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Where the remnant of them now?

dawn stone
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I feel they are under used a lot

ashen jungle
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In the White House, and their edge-lord cousins are in NYC as "Peacekeepers".

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I know they don't have the JTF in full armour to distinguish them from the Hyena's more, but lore-wise have we ever gotten a reason why they don't at least wear helmets?

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A lack of helmets may explain how they lost the White House the moment we left for 5 minutes.

ornate gull
near totem
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I mean whats the point of a helmet if somebody fires a slug at you point blank

ornate gull
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Division 1 we still seen Government send mercy drop throughout the city fir Division and JTF to retrieve

dawn stone
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I don't know if I'm just a bit evil but why don't we just use the same stuff the enemy's use I mean they just look better and have better stuff o wait I know why we are the good guys aren't we 😭

near totem
ornate gull
near totem
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Even if they want to wear helmets, theu need to start wearing body armor

wicked gorge
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I wish we got a comm between Manny and Parnell talking about their future views on fatherhood

near totem
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"Wait, you too?"

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Also, it would be nice if we could get a Survival apparel event in Winter or just, anytime soon

wicked gorge
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Theo is most definitely the innocent of the two and I can see Manny somewhat bonding with him over both of them being parents

near totem
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well Theo isn't the biggest criminal in the rogue league

mortal flame
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Wait… Theo has a kid?

sudden mortar
near totem
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I wonder if Rhodes and Benitez know about all of that

lavish galleon
mortal flame
near totem
mortal flame
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More specifically keener

near totem
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I wonder what bounty is on his head

mortal flame
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Well.. New Yorkers think he’s dead still so…. unless everyone’s already been told. Probably past the thousand beers bounty (money doesn’t matter anymore in this economy)

cursive tapir
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Gotta say, I am very amused by the fact that they used the face scan overlaid onto a body double to explain away Aaron’s Keener’s inconsistent key art during WONY

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“Hobo wizard” vibe indeed

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Also, kinda fun that the Cabal weren’t actually the ones responsible for Theo’s death. I actually don’t mind that

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Do you need to replay the whole manhunt to get the final comms for Theo and Keener? Or was that just a one-off for Kelso?

cursive tapir
near totem
tulip shale
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And you can replay it to enter the quak quak world 😶‍🌫️

glad spruce
glad spruce
sick lantern
mortal flame
sick lantern
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it was Scarecrow back from the dead brucequote

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but at the end of the day he was the one who was second rate

mortal flame
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Who?

glad spruce
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Exactly

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But in all seriousness, Scarecrow is the Rogue Agent we faced in Police Academy and one of the first rogue agents we killed.

waxen sonnet
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In which game?

sudden mortar
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The division 1

waxen sonnet
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Ah that's why it didn't ring any bells. Thanks ANNA.

glad spruce
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Y'know what, I'm starting to like ANNA more and more since this season started

mortal flame
glad spruce
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Can't I like both?

mortal flame
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rogue agent detected, connection to SHD servers lost

glad spruce
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sighs

mortal flame
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Keener suddenly appears behind you and slides up to the bar table: “ first time?”

waxen sonnet
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Wtfh are you on about at times

glad spruce
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I have no idea

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Too much role-play, if you ask me

glad spruce
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He's like Jacobin 2.0

near totem
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I wonder how people on Alaska are holding up

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And what Canadians are up to now

mortal flame
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😂

wicked gorge
sudden mortar
tepid ibex
wicked gorge
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It didn’t, it’s probably in a better state than most of the US

torn shoal
wicked gorge
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Japan aint

near totem
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EU is still going strong

glad spruce
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Man, that general was a real POS

true fox
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Any interesting information on the death screen from Quack Borris?
I forgot to check that.

floral marsh
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How can he be called on missions?

true fox
# floral marsh What do you mean??

I wanted to know if, upon dying to the one named Borris, the duck guy in Parnell's mission, any information appears on the death screen for him.

floral marsh
wicked gorge
true fox
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I'll check it and let you all know

cedar oxide
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and polar bears

glad spruce
waxen sonnet
# cedar oxide and polar bears

Orrr the fact it's a remote location where Isolation makes it safer from outside Viruses (Slower for Green Poison to reach it due to geographical and economic reasons), a large military presence due to 7 USCG/USAF Sites, large scale Oil reserves for power generation and vehicle fuels, wildlife and fishing plentiful for localised food supplies

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The biggest risks would (outside other people) be the environment without a maintained energy grids or maintained housing given the temperatures can go down as far as -35*c.

glad spruce
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Speaking of Alaska, I do recall that Ortiz Robotics had installed a private server as a backup for BT and SHD over there

cedar oxide
waxen sonnet
glad spruce
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It was geothermals. Need to check the comm again

tepid ibex
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confliction is in the air tonight

near totem
mortal flame
near totem
sick lantern
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Also it’s just “Black Tusk” the special unit was the squad led by Schaefer, whose members are highly adept at getting killed by the Sheriff

glad spruce
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You know what I just realized? The Manhunt Climax missions for this season and last season involved locations that hold valuable importance to the Division during the vanilla game's story.

Federal Emergency Bunker was where we found equipment to restore the SHD Network nation-wide. Space Administration HQ was where we re-aligned the Satellite dishes and used a Satellite module to get the SHD Satellite back online.

true fox
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So we'll have ANNA all over the United States then, I still wonder if we'll only have her or both (ISAC as well).

glad spruce
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Probably. But my post was basically hypothetically believing that Y6S3's Manhunt Climax mission will take place in Jefferson Trade Center, which happens to house the ISAC node.

true fox
shell parrot
glad spruce
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I already followed him lmao

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But he's been quite busy with real life stuff, so uploads have been sporadic.

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Which I don't hold that against him, btw

elfin nimbus
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Lore question
How the hell do healing skills work? Is it some sort of chemical compound that repairs armor?

waxen sonnet
elfin nimbus
sick lantern
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the repair drone has some sort of goop which i presume is repairing armour

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but div 1 medkits are the “combat cocktail” and medical nanotechnology is canon, i can’t see any other explanation for first aid and support stations than nanomachines

mortal flame
#

*see the book trilogy for clarification on some of this medical stuff and other things

glad spruce
#

I would say that book 3, Hunted, has an intense depiction of how it's like to fight a Hunter in a more grounded sense in the Division world

elfin nimbus
wicked gorge
glad spruce
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Or if you're lucky, they could be available in your local bookstores

mortal flame
#

Barnes and Nobles….

ashen jungle
#

Ah bookstores, I miss those.

mortal flame
#

The fact we say that says the next few generations will need some explanations

ashen jungle
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"like amazon, but more expensive and you have to physically go there"

wicked gorge
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And we’re loaded with legos and coffee shops

mortal flame
#

“What’s a coffee shop? I get my coffee here.” sitting in a hoverchair that injects caffeine into bloodstream on the go

ashen jungle
#

Wall-E is getting closer, I see.
I can picture Theo in one of those chairs.

wicked gorge
#

Keener is either the captain or the ai

ashen jungle
#

He's Fred Willard.
ah, I made myself sad.

mortal flame
#

Who?

mortal flame
glad spruce
mortal flame
#

Wikipedia even has a signature section? So that’s how people forge collectible signatures lol

past wagon
#

So are we to assume BT chungas are just normal sized people inside suits with a ton of padding, or did Elijah Sumner just have reconstructive skeletal surgery

#

Yes this is a thought that pops in my head sometimes

ashen jungle
#

We know they're regular people in suits, as the meta for killing the DH ones are to shoot, ahem, between the lower rear padding.
So tl;dr, we as a community are weirdly aware of what the inside of the suit looks like.

mortal flame
#

lol

ashen jungle
#

The life of a SHD Agent isn't always glorious.

past wagon
#

It’s pretty rarely glorious tbh 😂

mortal flame
#

eating bean cans and veggie MREs… totally the life

past wagon
#

Can you imagine anything more humiliating than being a hunter who just gets destroyed by a mid level agent in normal or hard

#

It honestly hurts my soul when I get called to backup for a hunter and it’s on normal or hard and I just vaporize them. Although I’m higher than mid level now

mortal flame
#

sounds about right… we normies don’t have the firepower you have lol

#

would be nice to just carry the 50 Cal from campaign start lol

ashen jungle
#

A Lvl 1 SHD Agent with a Scorpio can demolish a Hunter on pretty much any difficulty, so lore-strength vs gameplay strength is a bit of a different convo.

mortal flame
#

really? Got to try that out lol

past wagon
ashen jungle
#

If it's taking too long: use foam with it.

#

I like Oxy, but that's an older method.
but I digress, lore-chat.

#

uh lore. Hunters as puzzle vs story: go.

past wagon
ashen jungle
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Oh I think that ship has sailed.

past wagon
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Cause of the recruiter, or

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?

ashen jungle
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Hunters are.....it's honestly kind of hard to explain with how fan-fictiony it feels.
@glad spruce a failsafe?

past wagon
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They’ve certainly been demystified a bit if you pay attention to all the comms and such, but making them the main antagonist which is where the story seems to be going is gonna push it way overboard

glad spruce
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Basically, the Hunters are a failsafe against the SHD. Some government officials couldn't trust Division agents to follow their mission in the continuity of government and focus too much on being sheriffs like the old west.

Therefore, Hunters were created as watchdogs against agents who stray too far from the "mission". Many of them, except for Bridgette Douglas, are loyal to Calvin McManus and his ideals.

past wagon
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Yeah I know that. I get what you mean by the current storyline feeling fanfictiony though

glad spruce
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I never said that. That's Rivens problem

past wagon
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Yeah I know

ashen jungle
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To clarify: I have an issue with pretty much every aspect of the current story, not just the Hunters.

glad spruce
#

And honestly, some fan-fictions I've read over the years are high-quality.

So the notion of fan-fiction being low quality is frankly insulting

past wagon
#

Fanfic often latches onto some cool fringe aspect that people geek out over and makes it the lamest main attraction possible

glad spruce
#

Yeah, we know. It's the worst story ever told in human history /s

ashen jungle
#

Hawk, chill.

#

Yeah that's exactly what I meant by the comparison @past wagon, it just feels kinda "not quite it".

#

As a former lore nerd for this series, I've fallen out of love with a lot of its parts.

past wagon
#

The only thing in the current story that really bothers me is that they completely tossed out Kelso’s character traits. That and that, to me, Theo was always extremely gay-coded, but is now super hetero

ashen jungle
#

This has happened to me before. I can get back into it, I just need a new "in" point.

#

I honestly did not want to say anything, but yeah Theo's back-story in WONY felt very closeted if not gay, at least some form of lgbt+.

past wagon
#

Yup

ashen jungle
#

For those who've been in the closet, some parts of his comms felt very familiar.

past wagon
#

I think they’ve also made the cast of rogues way too wholesome on the comms.

#

These were people fully committed to carrying out the worst biological terror attack in history and now it’s grampy keener

ashen jungle
#

I've made the joke before, but I kinda want Manny to bring the children who were orphaned by Theo when he murdered those 2 JTF at the start of WONY, to Theo's interrogation.

past wagon
#

As a longtime fan of metal gear solid, I can live with the everyone magically coming back to life stuff. I just super hate betrayals to core character traits in service to plot

ashen jungle
#

My least favourite thing about Kelso being a sudden villain: it proved people who hated her for no reason right.

glad spruce
#

Is she a villain? Or just going her own way to prove everyone else they were wrong about Faye?

ashen jungle
#

She was in no way hinted at being anything other than an ally for years, then wham: twirling moustache.

glad spruce
#

Cuz I'm getting sick of the notion of red watch makes you inherently evil.

ashen jungle
past wagon
#

It’s not the bad guy status that bugs me, it’s that she is with keener and a rogue. If anything, OG kelso would be more likely to become a hunter than a rogue

ashen jungle
#

She was there at the start of WONY, she saw what Keener and his Rogues did.

#

She should be trying to murder them, not help them

#

For that matter: so should we.

past wagon
#

Kelso is nothing if not a super patriot. Duty above feelings. Plus her pure seething hatred of keener during wony can’t be ignored.

glad spruce
#

I don't care that Faye's actions were selfish. It was righteous

ashen jungle
#

Sure, but it was still dumb.
Her not trying to explain herself to us after she did it was also dumb, but that's another thing.

past wagon
#

Kelso swallowed killing Faye, a person who she likely had a strong emotional bond with, because it was her duty to the country.

ashen jungle
#

"hey Agent, im actually on your side, im going to surrender to you and trust in our friendship"
even if we did kill her, it would have the same effect.

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(that's assuming that we are the div1 Agent, if we're a new one in div2, same thing but replace "friend" with "fellow agent")

past wagon
ashen jungle
#

To put it bluntly: they were written into a corner with Faye, as she couldn't possibly be in the next Season.
Killing her off is fine, but I just wish it was handled more deftly.

past wagon
#

Agreed

#

But what if, and hear me out, her person lived on inside of a severed limb, which then gets grafted onto a different character and secretly subsumes that character

#

😂

ashen jungle
#

I mean, whatever that means aside; we aren't getting Lau back, her VA is busy.

past wagon
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(It’s partly the plot of MGS4)

sick lantern
glad spruce
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sighs

glad spruce
#

Any way, I've completed all the comm transcripts for Shades of Red in the wiki

gaunt ice
#

she’s just being stupidly vague and mysterious

like Faye, and Keener, and Theo

its practically a trope now im tired of it but she’s anything but evil

#

just spill the beans on whatever your mystery is

mortal flame
mortal flame
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😦

glad spruce
#

No, just feeling tired about how this channel gets messy whenever I wanna talk about the story/lore.

strange rock
ashen jungle
#

Some setup would've been nice.

ember temple
#

Rivens perfectly said how I've been feeling about the story since Keeners "surprise" I'm alive

#

Just so many characters feel out of character

glad spruce
#

Sure

gaunt ice
mortal flame
wicked gorge
#

You do realize you’re just gonna annoy him right?

ashen jungle
#

I assume that's a meme you have to have played some other game series to get.

#

@glad spruce What exactly about the lore did you want to try and talk about? I'll make sure it stays on track for the next little bit.

wicked gorge
gaunt ice
strange rock
# gaunt ice well im expecting the buildup anytime now

I mean Schaeffer is still in a coma, story moves slow
But there's a dlc and I guess a y7 coming so the story has to go on. And then there's div 3 plot
Would be surprised if the dlc didn't have a cliffhanger
Kelso would be the obvious good to antagonist switch but who knows

ashen jungle
#

How would Kelso be the main antagonist?

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Sokolova has a multi-billion dollar private army, and an arms company to go along with it (Sokolov Concern).

strange rock
#

I'm guessing Sokolova/McManus are more long term antagonists, i.e., division 3
After them how would they continue the story?

sick lantern
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same as how the story started, saving the country

ember vector
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I'm guessing the fall of Sokolova and McManus will create a power vacuum. That power vacuum could feed entire generations and spawn across multiple games!

sick lantern
#

i don't think that's true

#

the black tusk are on the backfoot, increasingly reliant on proxies such as the true sons and hyenas, they have the bioreactor and the hunters but not much else, having suffered repeated losses of ranking personnel

#

they can't even control DC

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let alone project their force elsewhere effectively

gaunt ice
#

i mean didn’t they already take over most of US prior to DC?

#

its been like weeks since the start of div2 to now so i think its less that they have ran dry and more that they lost DC too fast and have to use proxies to try and control it while they mobilize more of their own troops from other places

sick lantern
mortal flame
gaunt ice
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ill just stop that admitting im ill informed in that

sick lantern
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regardless of “reading the books” i don’t think it’s said anywhere anyway

#

maybe in TWOTD and I’ve forgotten it, but I doubt it

mortal flame
#

the Lore Masters shake their heads…. We all are literally have been repeating the same stuff about Kelso ever since we found out she seemed a bit sketchy back in the first few dlcs lol

#

I mean she’s only a (former)CIA operative. We can’t trust that? lol

wicked gorge
near totem
#

Is Eva Acosta alive?

sick lantern
glad spruce
near totem
waxen sonnet
glad spruce
#

Let me cope, dammit!

waxen sonnet
#

But dont worry, I dont trust Keener as far as I would absolutley throw him

glad spruce
#

Ever since that Descent comm, I still believe

wicked gorge
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I also hate to break it to you Barsetto…. But Keener did nothing wrong

waxen sonnet
wicked gorge
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@waxen sonnet…..

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You spelt my name wrong

waxen sonnet
#

Ok ok my bad but it is 11pm so am sleepy ok petter

wicked gorge
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It okay, just means you blocked Pheonix petter

glad spruce
# wicked gorge Isnt she alive tho

||There's a Descent comm from this season where she talks with Keener about recruiting Birdie. She mentions Birdie and her a-hole adopted brother were staying in the Castle settlement, which is not something Bridgette should know if she's supposed to be dead||

wicked gorge
glad spruce
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Fair enough

wicked gorge
glad spruce
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||All we have to do is wait||

glad spruce
#

I should mention that I have gym session for tomorrow on 12 PM in my timezone, so I'll be a little late from doing the weekly Descent run and summarize the comm.

Something tells me we'll get 2 comms since we're 2 left for the season, but who really knows.

glad spruce
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I'm still gonna do the Descent comms summaries.

Someone's gotta do it

mortal flame
glad spruce
#

Descent comm 89, The Sims.

||Bridgette Douglas takes a peek at the holographic simulation of Aaron Keener that Theo Parnell scanned and uploaded to the Nemesis program.||

||She agrees with Theo's notion that Keener's hologram looks like a manic hobo wizard, which was not a compliment. When Keener suggested in upadating his Nemesis scan, Douglas disagreed as she believes he can only fake his death once, before people take out the contact (Scan-tek lenses) and shoot him in the head, just to be sure.||

mortal flame
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lol

undone verge
#

Theo kinda slackin with his rescue mission tbh

glad spruce
#

Hey, his decoys helped distract the Hyenas while I kicked their asses

obtuse arrow
#

Wouldn't be surprised if Kajika and Dragov were also still alive

true fox
obtuse arrow
ashen jungle
#

Taking Keener at his word: our Agent has taken several heavy blows to the head, apparently.

sleek plover
#

So kajikas a ghost recon or sth?

balmy panther
#

Would be funny

glad spruce
#

Speaking of lore, I should go ahead and write the transcripts for Descent comms in the wiki.

floral gull
#

These comms are turning Keener into a dork compared to Division 1

#

And the person he’s talking to as the actual rogue agent mastermind

glad spruce
#

Okay

ashen jungle
#

"Grampy Keener" did give me pause.

glad spruce
#

He is the godfather for Theo's kid, after all

ashen jungle
#

I can't picture Keener taking care of Theo's child if Theo dies.

#

Since that's what a godparent does.

floral gull
#

His comms could have revealed his reasons for trying to launch the eclipse virus while taunting the agent. Maybe it will be explained in the dlc

ashen jungle
#

Was that even canonically him at this point? I keep hearing stuff about disguises and what-not.

floral gull
#

That’s what I’d like to find out in some form

sick lantern
#

it was Ron Kenner

ashen jungle
#

My bet is that it won't be, it's the only way to justify it.
If they make it so it wasn't actually a bio-weapon and it was some kind of bluff to draw out the Illuminati's cousin, I am leaving.

floral gull
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Aaron Keener. A Ron Keener. Ron Keener

floral gull
#

Anything less than that means Aaron “10 steps ahead” Keener is also a schizo

ashen jungle
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I don't want to belittle the lore before I've played it, but so far it's not inspiring a lot of confidence.

floral gull
#

Our current writers are doing their best!

ashen jungle
#

Writing in someone else's universe is stupidly hard, constraints are tricky.
When your canonical lore involves the Illuminati, it's down-right impossible.

floral gull
#

Both types of writing they seem to be struggling in for a few years now

#

The narrative and coding

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A vast challenge indeed

ashen jungle
#

The latter is pointless to discuss, as none of us work there, nor ever will.

#

The former: we haven't gotten to the result of this recent story-line yet, so speculation is all we have.

floral gull
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Imo, you don’t need to be employed at Ubisoft to see what needs improvement for both cases, but this discussion is outside the scope of the channel so I’ll leave it at that

undone verge
#

Inb4 Vivian comes back

glad spruce
#

Vivian ain't ever coming back. She's all viscera and gore

wicked gorge
#

If Vivian comes back then that’s where I draw the line in the magical fake death scene

shell parrot
shell parrot
ornate gull
#

I wonder, outside JTF remnant and Peacekeeper as allies faction of Division. Are there other Neutral/Allies Faction?

tepid ibex
sudden mortar
tepid ibex
sudden mortar
tepid ibex
#

Kinda wonder next season if we’ll have a mix of ISAC and ANNA in our ears.

tepid ibex
#

ANAC makes sense

sick lantern
shell parrot
shell parrot
waxen sonnet
# shell parrot Are we going to kill Kelso?

God im late, Anyway, Panic not, We're bringing Kelso back to the white house this season just like we've done Keener and Theo, there's a livestream Monday if you tune in Im sure they'll explain it.

shell parrot
waxen sonnet
#

You mean Lau?
She's already dead my friend

glad spruce
#

And spoiler alert, she's no traitor

ashen jungle
#

I mean, that part's debatable.

waxen sonnet
#

No, its really not, I cannot believe we're sitting here near weekly having to say this.

We know this by now, Faye went Rogue purely to enact a plan to bring down McManus, who she discovered through Keener was responsible for the Hunters, she only appeared to be Rogue because she couldn't tell anyone what she not only knew, but what she had planned, a plan no less that we ourselves are just scratching the very surface of. It's Literally why we have her given the Greek mythological callsign Kasandra by Keener - "She had the gift of prophecy, but was cursed so that none would believe her prophecies. "

ashen jungle
#

I'm well aware of the prophecy link, I mentioned the reference when it first came to light.

#

Her plan was debatably necessary, we can deal with that later.
The big issue is that after she did what she did, she had absolutely 0 reason to not just stand there with her hands up and ask to be spared.

#

I'm still not 100% sure why she felt the need to hide the plan from us, or from her friends in the Peacekeepers. So far the reason seems to be a generic "who knows who's in on it", but that makes 0 sense when it comes to someone like the leaders of Haven.

#

Did she really think that Benitez was secretly working for Mcmanus?

#

Or whatshisname, the tech jerk.

waxen sonnet
#

Firstly, Just deciding you need to be killed to take the secret with you doesn't make you a traitor (Like fr what logic is that petter ) and secondly, we know the BTSU Will still throw large amounts of men and equipment to get Schafer back, including Hunter's no less. Faye probably thought if she was kept alive she'd have to constantly look over her shoulder or plan for the BTSU To keep coming after her over and over again. Dying actually meant the BTSU Would stop even considering her as a problem anymore, Just like we did with Keener.

ashen jungle
#

Rhodes, that's the one.

#

The White House was already attacked, so that plan doesn't hold water either.

waxen sonnet
#

And as for Haven or The White house, Having SHD Agents allowed access to both when she knew some could well be Hunters (before we knew it) was pointless, It's like storing gold at fort knox just for the guards to steal it.

ashen jungle
#

She could've just left the city, it's not like the BTSU have the resources to scoure the entirety of the Earth.

#

As we know the actual reason why she really was killed off, making a narrative justification for it afterwards is always going to be a little awkward.

sick lantern
#

like if she lived she coulda just told us a bunch of stuff instead of slowly decrypting an insurance policy

waxen sonnet
sick lantern
#

she can definitely trust the sheriff in any case

ashen jungle
#

I am curious what that actually means, like, how is the SHD compromised?

#

If it's the Rogues, then that's not compromised, as we have shoot-on-sight orders for them already.

sick lantern
#

at the time the book was written, it meant bugger all

ashen jungle
#

Wait, is all this stuff that's been going on recently mean that the book is required reading in order to understand?

#

That would explain a lot.

sick lantern
#

nah it gets summarised at the start of broken dawn and doesn't really offer much more than what's in div 2

#

nsa compromised, knew the outbreak was coming

#

the nsa was only mentioned in broken dawn not nycollapse. nycollapse was really vague

ashen jungle
#

See that stuff, that does spoil the narrative a bit.
I liked it when the Green Poison was this thing that was made by 1 person, and also killed that one person.
Making it a conspiracy just turns it into a silent hill situation, evil cults ruin everything.

sick lantern
#

in terms of tying in to what actually happens in div 1, "divisions within the division" can only really tie into rogue agents which aren't some deep state conspiracy, just bad actors

waxen sonnet
#

They were warning from the very begining of Imbedded agents loyal to the Hunter Program.

ashen jungle
#

Yep, tie-in's being required reading is just not good. 99% of people are not going to read those.

#

Heck, most people don't even know they exist.

#

The last tie-in I read was for the 2003 Hulk movie, and somehow made more sense.

waxen sonnet
#

The book was released march 2016, Its not so much a tie in as what was a absolute mysterious open ended warning until last year

ashen jungle
#

There is a big difference between a mystery and just standing behind a door making spooky noises.

sick lantern
#

the secret puzzle stuff in nycollapse is the weaker part of it, the actual meat "narrative" of April just surviving in new york is the "good bits". that you can see moments of realised in game

#

when you read one thing and then remember oh thats that echo i saw once

#

that's cool

#

when you pull out a pen and paper for vague foreshadowing for a plot that wasn't yet set in stone, not so much

ashen jungle
#

I prefer my lore for media to remain within the same medium, never been a big fan of tie-ins filling in gaps.

#

Not the least because until the last decade or so, my country flat-out did not get a lot of those.

#

I had to use a fake address to buy div2's physical edition online. Yes I'm serious.

waxen sonnet
#

Broken dawn and Crossroads.

sick lantern
#

i'd call that a case by case basis

#

besides, broken dawn aint tied in at all petter
contradicts div 2 by the end

ashen jungle
#

So would say the narrative in it is.....broken down?

waxen sonnet
#

...

#

Im going to go scream into an empty void rather than this channel now

ashen jungle
#

Oh cmon, that pun was solid.

sick lantern
#

i don't have a problem with tie in material. but nycollapse was barely a tie in

#

im not even sure what we're talking about anymore

ashen jungle
#

In all seriousness, it's healthy to have people to want to nitpick the lore. Especialy when it's as complicated as div2's is right now.

#

When you add in the Illuminati, it's going to get messy.

sick lantern
#

NSA DHS SHD BT Cabal too many shadowy layers

waxen sonnet
sick lantern
sick lantern
#

and still to this day the ending of broken dawn is a plot hole

waxen sonnet
# sick lantern so like to reiterate I don't quite see how "faye knew about hunters" justifies t...

She's dying to protect the information she knew, and she knew if she went back to the SHD Alive, certain insider elements she now knew to exist within the Division would see to it she would be silenced before she could tell us, so she left behind the cryptic puzzles and hidden information, knowing while the BTSU and Mcmanus would simply see her as a dead "rogue" agent, those who trusted her like kelso would still look into what and why she did what she did, and find the information we need.

sick lantern
#

why not come back alive and have the insurance policy

#

what stops hunters from accessing the insurance policy

#

it's called "insurance" not "plan a" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

waxen sonnet
waxen sonnet
ashen jungle
#

Why does she know that she can't trust any of the characters?

sick lantern
#

but the insurance policy is literally sensitive info she sent back?

#

she trusted kelso, manny, the sheriff whatever with the policy

#

she evidently trusts them

ashen jungle
#

She should've trusted Rhodes+Benitez too.
There's 0 chance Rhodes would ever work with a shadow organisation, he barely likes working with us.

sick lantern
#

fr lol

ashen jungle
#

Has there been any kind of update on Kandel?

#

I still struggle to type out her name btw.

sick lantern
#

still in an arbor (aka plot purgatory) iirc

ashen jungle
#

That's a shame, she was the div1 leader I least hated.

glad spruce
sudden mortar
#

I mean, she could have noticed that when the warhounds went offline with the node deactivation on JTC, besides that, I think only one BT officer noticed that on Pentagon when he said: I hope you're not planning on using those fancy division toys!

ashen jungle
#

Since BT took/got the Warhounds from DARPA in the first place, and DARPA also made our stuff, it does seem a tad obvious.

#

If you wander through the labs, you can literally see giant versions of our Gear laying around.

sick lantern
#

maybe she got confused in the bureaucratic paperwork between SHD Q-Branch, DARPA, and Ortiz Robotics all contributing

ashen jungle
#

I probably would've just gone to a totally unrelated company, since everyone who worked at those other ones are now corpses in a big hole.

sudden mortar
ashen jungle
#

They make James Bond's stuff.

#

coming soon: BT uses exploding pens and shoe knives.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

Amazon gonna sue.

sick lantern
#

wow that is pretty on the nose

sudden mortar
sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

Very much not for the US in the context that I linked, but in its use in Div, there is 0% chance that it's not a reference.

#

It is curious that they picked that as a reference, and not a misnamed US Agency like they normally do.

#

Like "DRAPA Institute", instead of the DARPA Labs.

#

I guess they don't technically have labs, so that's where it's safe to use.

#

@glad spruce In your opinion (outside of it not being a thing until later, I'm talking lore-wise), why do you think that BT use anything other than Sokolov Concern gear?

glad spruce
#

I'm not omniscient, so I wouldn't know why.

It's not like Sokolov Concern has a monopoly on Black Tusk's Gear

sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

I'm not assuming that you know more than anyone else, I'm asking what you think is the reason.

glad spruce
#

Different gear for different purposes would be my answer

ashen jungle
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It would be kind of fun if we saw various other types of Sokolov gear, maybe BT exclusive stuff.
Maybe that's what the BT uniform is, since they own the firearms company.

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I'm a sucker for tiny, useless details.

sick lantern
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to hazard a guess
Sokolova funneling too much equipment to the Black Tusk would have raised too much suspicion pre outbreak

ashen jungle
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Doesn't she openly own both?

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I mean, it is her surname.

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If you mean fresh supplies and guns, I 100% agree.

sudden mortar
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Btw I think that maybe Nat founded BT and her father founded sokolov concern because if the company name doesn't have sokolovA, so maybe she own both company but wasn't always the case.

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And after her dad died, she started manufacturing BT gear through sc.

ashen jungle
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In a lot of cases, an Eastern European family will change their name slightly when they move to a more western location.
e.g. my grandfather's surname.

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In a lot of cases, it's as simple as adding a letter, like changing "ic" to "ich".

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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Depending on when they moved, it often helped a little to avoid, ahem, less than friendly responses at a foreign name.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
ornate gull
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I wondering are there type of Agent that specialized at 1 signature tech or skill in SHD

glad spruce
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Well, SHD Agents are supposed to be adaptable to any situation, so I doubt there's one agent who's specialized in only one skill or signature tech

late void
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There's the three from the cover art, showcasing the original 3 specialization weapons (and we know at least one of them really did like using that weapon in the field...)

torn shoal
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most agents are jack of all trade, but some will become otp for sure

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like theo became master of decoys

glad spruce
#

Long story, but Keener and Theo got a tip about ANNA and the combat simulation, including the Nemesis program.

Basically, the Nemesis program uses anything from an agent scan and uploads to the sims. And once it's uploaded, an agent can use the scan to their desire as long as they got the Mobile SHD Server and Anna's backdoor access to the sim

So, Keener and Theo used a scan of themselves from the Nemesis program to present them like they're real and use it to fake their deaths.

There's some limits, of course. The scans only affects people who use scan-tek lenses, mainly Division agents and Hunters. For everyone else, they'd think you'd look high as f

glad spruce
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"Schaeffer is the key" from the website's article for Burden of Truth

ashen jungle
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I refuse to make a Jar Jar reference.

tepid ibex
glad spruce
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10 dollars says it's about Black Tusk's biometric security system

mortal flame
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Meesa says we’re in big trouble

ornate gull
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Im thinking, which state are least affected by Green Poison

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Texas?

glad spruce
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Alaska

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Texas was so affected by the Green Poison that they made settlements near oil refineries.

Which is also established in Compromised

torn shoal
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sometimes im wondering, how much of all of this would have been avoided if the us wasnt so hellbent of not having healthcare

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and putting profits before litteral human lives

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we know europe is doing better in lore, but its not specified really how much better, just that people arent killing each others in the millions

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im wondering how the rest of the world is doing too, south america, africa, asia, etc

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really armest deciding to wipe out 90% of humans on a whim is def some self centered decision, he was like "nah, the us is a reason good enough to wipe out humanity"

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and made everything worse instead of better

patent narwhal
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😭

glad spruce
torn shoal
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hawkmster to the rescue

cold bramble
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I'm a traffic flagger. And I think my job would be an excellent day job for Division agents.

  1. The job itself is remarkably low stress. It mostly consist of driving to a location, setting up signs and cones, and waiting around while the crew does all the work. I got paid to take a nap a few hours ago. The most we have to do is stand in the road a few hours to keep people from wrecking. I have plenty of energy to spare for fitness and other training.
  2. Driving to different job sights and working with crews has familiarized me not only with geography of my city, but key aspects of its infrastructure. We know where the substations, cell towers, and various lines are. And we know what goes into repairing those things.
  3. We have contacts with skilled labor. Not just municipal service companies, but sub contractors who are likely to their own tools and equipment. We don't just know a guy. We know all the guys.
  4. We have to work in a wide variety of weather and environmental conditions. We're used to standing outside in the freezing rain for hours. We're used to spending all night in most dangerous part of town. Which is why it's common for us to have survival equipment, weapons, first aid kits, and other tools on the job.
    Side note: The whole reason I bought the games is because someone told me I'd make a good agent when I told them about my job.
sick lantern
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sounds true enough

cold bramble
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I also think photo journalist, pawn brokers, bar tenders, ride share drivers, and a bunch of other jobs could prove useful for most of the same reasons.

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Or more.

sick lantern
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pawn shop worker division agent has to shoot most of their associates when they get activated 😭

glad spruce
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COMM 1: Honey Pot

||After meeting Faye Lau, Bridgette Douglas discusses with Aaron Keener whether to tell the truth as she was concerned if she told Lau the truth, she’d walk away. Keener encourages her to be honest with Lau, maintaining that no relationship founded on lies can survive.||

||Keener’s advice made Douglas wonder how he became emotionally mature and insightful. He explains that seeing the human connection with the Moretti family and Theo with his girlfriend Maral, he can’t help himself feel envious and want that connection as well.||

||Douglas is aware about Keener’s crush on Mackenzie Meret, telling him one more time that she wasn’t the one who got away. He was, and he doesn’t deserve her. Keener argues it’s not about what a person deserves, it’s about what a person and what they need. And the way Keener sees it, Mack is his honey pot.||

||Douglas got grossed out, and admitted she prefers the overly sarcastic megalomaniac Keener over the emotionally mature Keener.||

cold bramble
torn shoal
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"florida man strikes again, not knowing it was black tusk, managed to throw an aligator at them"

glad spruce
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Last Descent comm, log 90 titled Bardon.

||The comm takes place after the end of Season 3, where Bridgette Douglas reports to Aaron Keener that Bardon Schaeffer was sent to the White House after he went into a coma due to wounds he sustained from SHD Agents in Coney Island.||

||Keener is surprised, and admits he'd be shocked if Schaeffer survives more than a week in a coma. When he asks Douglas if Schaeffer sent Faye's message to the Division, Douglas replies that he didn't and she's set to be their next target.||

shell parrot
glad spruce
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Well, the first comm confirmed it. ||Bridgette Douglas was childhood friends with Mackenzie Meret and Natalya Sokolova||

torn shoal
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disney would like a word

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its a small small world

ebon bear
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Lore wise does it make sense to complete the legacy kelso manhunt before the finale of this current one?

glad spruce
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Yes, if at least gives you some context with the comms you missed out

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Likewise with the legacy climax missions from Keener and Theo from the last two seasons

mortal flame
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anyone think Pokemon is a game in the Division world? there must be a knock off Pokemon Easter egg somewhere…..

glad spruce
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Uhh... I dunno. Maybe check the easter eggs?

ashen jungle
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That is what they're asking.

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It may be a false memory, but I distinctly recall either one of the Snitch cards, or Valassi referencing Pokemon in an abstract way.

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And no, I'm not thinking of the Outcast Furry

surreal hearth
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We will put it into this lizard madness, the lizard squad known as the cabals need to die

glad spruce
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But first, we need to lure them out of hiding. They're slippery

torn shoal
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stop putting images in my head

mortal flame
glad spruce
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sigh

unkempt coyote
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I'm curious, what kind of protocol does the hunters uses?
BT- Diamond
SHD- ISAC
Rogues - ANNA
Hunters - div2hunters ?

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Is it mentioned anywhere?

glad spruce
torn shoal
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oil is basically worthless in div 2

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today its valuable cause everybody has a car and buy some

glad spruce
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It's RC. He tends to s*itpost

torn shoal
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ah

torn shoal
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they do have diamond and can overide isac

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if anna wasnt secured keener wouldnt be able to hack bt in liberty island

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and in general to evade them

glad spruce
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Yeah, you're right. Brain fart lol

unkempt coyote
# torn shoal they do have diamond and can overide isac

Diamond makes sense in div 2, but I'm sure not sure abt div 1. This is just speculation, but I think they do have anna, but not the same as Theo's. As far as I know, anna at first was supposed to be the main AI for the shd agents, but as per their request they ended switching it to isac, understandable petter (not sure abt this, a friend told me so, correct if I'm wrong!) .

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I know it is a gameplay feature but would that explain our agents getting stronger by unlocking keener's watch? Also explain Keener hacking diamond protocol devices in liberty island?

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This is getting so confusing 🥲

plain junco
# glad spruce *sigh*

im sorry but this made me giggle cause i can practically hear that sigh through my screen

mortal flame
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So…. “We’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal…” say it with me Hawkster

vestal acorn
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sooo we going rogue later on?

glad spruce
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As far as Black Tusk and the Hunters are concerned, we were Rogue the minute we allied with Kelso.

Or rather, we decided to do what's right rather than following Continuity of Government.

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But then again, we were Rogue when we started fighting Black Tusk

ashen jungle
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Who is actually next in line to be the POTUS? As that is who we legally answer to.

glad spruce
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President pro tempore of the United States Senate

But considering most US officials are either dead or in hiding, I'd bet the Cabal will pull strings to make Cal as POTUS

ashen jungle
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There's a joke in the base campaign about Manny being next in line.
I honestly think that at some point it's going to come up again, but as an actual story beat.

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I think it makes the most sense at this point, he's basically leading DC anyway.

torn shoal
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Thing is, we do answer to the président and nobody else, and since présidents are immune to law, isac doesn't look good

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That's why Anna could be a good thing, she isnt restricted like isac

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Im even surprised isac allowed us to go after Ellis to arrest him in the first place, it's not like we had a tribunal to handle that

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#fayedidnothingwrong

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I was siding with her th entire mission, I really dont understand why we had to kill her and not arrest her

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Especially when we didnt kill keener or scheaffer

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But again legality doesn't equal morality

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We didnt ally with kelso, we followers isac

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Bt and Hunters should have known that

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Agents arent à parangon of morality especially seeing how many go rogue

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They would def get them on their side easily if they played their cards right, with Diamond being far superior it's a given

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But I guess plot armor was thicc

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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So her plan to not be taken alive was based on that she was going to be killed?

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She already had her insurance stuff in-place, why not just give it a go?

torn shoal
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It's just a complete waste

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But yeah the codename was for a reason

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I think the writers just wanted to have some people go rogue for "emotional effect" but didnt think this through

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Like many other things like keener killing innocents in the millions in ny

ashen jungle
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I've yet to hear an actual reason why Lau had to die.
Vaguely gesturing at her codename is not enough.

glad spruce
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It shouldn't be hard to figure out. Nat and Cal were keeping watch on her and weren't very trusting of her.

If she was captured, they'd send a Hunter and kill her before she spills anything.

The Insurance is self-explanatory.

I'm not gonna go through this nonsense like Jack did.

ashen jungle
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If you don't want to discuss a topic, just don't comment on the message.
I'm asking a question that so far no one has been able to give a sufficient answer to.

glad spruce
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In that case, I hope this season gives you a sufficient anwer

sick lantern
sick lantern
sick lantern
sick lantern
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fuel for the supply lines that are keeping the east coast fed

sleek plover
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Seems like aaron keener loves his greek mythology references

glad spruce
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Why else he gave the callsigns Cassandra and Ajax to Faye (then Kelso later on) and Hoskins, respectively?

vestal acorn
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this confuse me a bit, where this keener gor fuel for cars and where he got the van when we got electrocutes on vanguard? or like..why black tusk using car to capture settlement on season 10?

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where is this oil reserve from?

glad spruce
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Oil refineries and gas stations.

And I have no idea what you mean Black Tusk capturing a settlement in Season 10. Are you referring to Season 11? Cause that was Black Tusk kidnapping civilians from the Castle Settlement when they attacked the White House.

keen maple
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I think there should be a division Holiday

In honor of Thunderbird who sacrificed himself and his helicopter to ground the Black Tusk Hovercraft at Tital Basin

glad spruce
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Agreed. If not for his sacrifice, we wouldn't have managed to defeat Wyvern and get the BSAV samples

keen maple
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He is a hero and we won’t forget him

torn shoal
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but its def a plothole

torn shoal
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then take control of it

strange rock
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I want a story full circle and the DLC goes into details about Commander Chang

glad spruce
torn shoal
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i mean

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we argued much worse stuff, like ellis taking over division

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i still have ptsd about it xd

glad spruce
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Sure, but when someone like me or Jack makes sound arguments over the whole Faye Lau discussion, some rather cling to their opinion that Faye is a traitor

torn shoal
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yeah, emotions replace logic pretty fast with some

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thats why real life is going bad rn

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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sounds like a stupid plan tbh

wicked gorge
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Well either way she would be dead

sick lantern
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so go with the plan that maybe gets you killed instead of definitely killing yourself

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she's not The Boss it's not MGS3

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there was no reason for her to die

torn shoal
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she could even tell them to pretend she died so that she is free of being hunted

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there was like 800 possibilities that dont include her dying

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we even let keener come to the white house free, he killed more agents and civilians than anyone

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she didnt have to die for the plot, only for emotionnal effect

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and its just plain bad

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the plot could also have us take her wounded like shaeffer

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so, as usual, not a good point in the story for coherence

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at least its not as bad as keener motivations from wony

wicked gorge
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@waxen sonnet could you paraphrase the page from NYC about divisions within the division?

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Thx

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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yeah, its hunters

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we know that

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that doesnt answer the question tho

wicked gorge
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Not to mention that birdie said our comms are on the same channels and could easily be accessed, even telling our agents or Kelso is a heavy risk for her take

torn shoal
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yeah we know all of that

sick lantern
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can't believe i'm agreeing with lyfe

torn shoal
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that doesnt mean you should die rather than try to warn everyone about that

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its like saying "id rather not try to help and see everything crumble" and frame it as good behavior to help

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her death is meaningless

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like, whats the worst that could happen if she got captured

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she try to warn everyone, then die in custody ?

wicked gorge
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SHE WOULD OF DIED

torn shoal
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how is that worse than dying anyway ?

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if your choice is die but try to save everyone, and just die

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how would you pick "just die lol"

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unless you're an internet troll, you try to help people, div agents dont just die for fun

sick lantern
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first time I've seen this take actually

wicked gorge
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if she was brought into custody then spilled the beans about McManus and hunters, then not only the hunters hidden within the division would execute her, but it would also allow them to know what she was planning and potentially figure out Keener was still alive and planning to use ANNA

torn shoal
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how would they know

sick lantern
torn shoal
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also her plan works either way

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she had insurance

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she could just keep that safe

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like at least try to stay alive ?

sick lantern
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if she was meant to die, it would be called "the main plan" not "insurance"

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well they're suspicious of schaeffer being a traitor, so not unreasonable that they would also have their doubts about one of the most accomplished division agents regardless

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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yes and she would be… still alive. fighting the black tusk. making things more likely to succeed

ashen jungle
sick lantern
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she could at least have faked her death and gone somewhere else

ashen jungle
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I fully understand why Lau had to die behind the scenes, but I've yet to get an answer that makes plot-sense.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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Or even some fore-shadowing to the events.
It feels like it came out of nowhere.

torn shoal
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yeah, it just feel like lazy writing

glad spruce
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Right

ashen jungle
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I'm not going to call it lazy writing, it just feels like a chapter was left out.

torn shoal
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yeah maybe there were some cuts

ashen jungle
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Jack, you're getting the same warning. The next one goes official.

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Tone down the attitude.

glad spruce
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Honestly, I don't even know why we even discuss Faye Lau.

It's clear you won't ever change your minds

torn shoal
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i dont even remember either

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but lets be honest, the division have more than 1 plot point that doesnt make sense

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its not the end of the world, its just annoying

glad spruce
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And discussing with people too stubborn to understand other perspectives is frankly a waste of time

sick lantern
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people disagreeing =/= “refusing to listen”

wicked gorge
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The easiest solution is wiping his biometrics from the system but since it seems they can’t, makes me think Claire did something to prevent data from being deleted

torn shoal
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idk, i dont feel like talking to a wall for now, even if people dont change their mind

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also im not very invested in this

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i just like to nerd about lore

glad spruce
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Let's just agree to disagree

torn shoal
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wont be the last time

ashen jungle
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You can disagree without agreeing, but just don't draw a line in the sand over it.

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Some of you are taking this way too seriously.

sick lantern
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jack you’re the one getting heated over legit discourse petter

torn shoal
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tbh im more invested in lore than gameplay

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but mostly because of the dude in div 1 that was skeptical of gov and unlimited powers given to division

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i like him

glad spruce
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Rick Valassi

ashen jungle
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Rhodes.

torn shoal
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nah, the one at boo

glad spruce
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Paul Rhodes

torn shoal
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yes rhodes

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rick is funny but way too invested in crackpot theories

ashen jungle
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Is there a reason you pinged me with that quote? I don't recognise it.

glad spruce
#

Anyways, I just hope the answers from comms as we get further into the season satisfies some people.

If not, oh well. Nothing can be done about that

torn shoal
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well, some of the new comms were showing a try to justify/explain the latest plot holes i think

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they might succed

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i'd love to read a transcript and be like "wow, i didnt think about that"

ashen jungle
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It's not a matter of reaching some arbitrary line of understanding, it's just a simple matter of it feeling like I skipped a few chapters. I assumed originally that it was in some tie-in novel, or comic, or even a spin-off game that was cancelled.

sick lantern
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here’s the third member of the terrible trio aye

ashen jungle
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I assumed it was an alt.

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@oblique dagger Cut it out, and stop the pings.

glad spruce
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I don't think anyone here is desperate enough to join this server as an alt

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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We get quite a lot of them actually.

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Alts of fake accounts.

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Kettle, feel free to issue that ban.

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My language would be too strong.

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Because they called me inbred?

torn shoal
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whats going on

ashen jungle
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Auto-mod stores the messages.

torn shoal
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yeah it stores a lot of mines cause i use way too many f worlds lol

ashen jungle
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Okay this day has already gone on for long enough. The next person to start something like this is getting a perma-ban, no warnings.

glad spruce
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Good thing I have a monthly holiday starting on Saturday.

Makes the wait for the weekly scouts a whole lot easier

vestal acorn
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so all natalia plan going smooth because dr earnheerst virus? so who brainwashing him? turn him into human hater and decide to reset the world?

tepid ibex
#

yes.

vestal acorn
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DR EARHERSTN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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looks like division 1 is really tip of iceberg and suddenly we got a lot of betrayal in division 2. man. being division agent cant catch a break

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i still think the saddest of the 3 main faction in division 2 was outcast

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emelyn shaw just want rights. but goverment and poeple wronged her

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clearing manning national zoo sometimes makes me sad knowing there is echo of her and her daughter enjoying moment in the zoo. man....its.....goddammit........dammit natalia...

sick lantern
vestal acorn
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damn

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so its all coincidences

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and nat aware of this, and decide to execute her plant to take over washington and newyork?

glad spruce
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It's likely that the Cabal, which Natalya is a member of, used the Green Poison as a meant to create a new world order with Black Tusk as the vanguard

Oh, and it's Amherst. Not Earherstn

late void
#

Going back to the 'why did Lau have to die' question:

Is it possible she didn't want to get herself captured because that would risk breaking her cover in the BT, which would risk breaking Brigitte Douglas' cover as well? (Assuming Douglas was involved in recruiting her to BT.)

I'm sure the writers didn't intend it that way all those years ago, but it's a plausible enough reason to offer now.

torn shoal
vestal acorn
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so the key is suppose to be in lau after division 1

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but she died of her own lies

glad spruce
sick lantern
mortal flame
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huh?

mortal flame
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personnel file

glad spruce
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It's already confirmed seasons ago that Lau and Douglas were lovers.

Doesn't matter what the art book days

sick lantern
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well it came out first. they just cherrypicked from the extended materials as they usually do

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which isn't necessarily a bad thing

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but also it's not a Bungie vs Microsoft-type scenario with the EU materials, you'd expect a little internal consistency

glad spruce
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It looks like we're currently early November in the timeline.

I checked the Legacy Manhunt menu, and Shades of Red started in October 27

torn shoal
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early november ? damn global warming is real cause we still kicking in hawaian shirt