division-universe

[torn shoal]

they just dont skip leg day

[near totem]

I think they are terminators

[torn shoal]

terminators cant get poisoned

[wicked gorge]

The hunters being terminators sounds about right

[sudden mortar]

except the fact that we got a female version of the recruiter outfit. But since the hunters use any tactical gear, not a hunter "standard" outfit like the other factions, I think having a female hunter wouldn't be hard.

this is like when your cellphone detects it's own factory app as a dangerous application

[gaunt ice]

its just gonna be hard to tell

yknow bulky armor,masked face,barely talking?

[wicked gorge]

Maybe keener is secretly the main hunter and is eliminating his competition 🤔

[near totem]

What is the reason for some true sons not following Anderson?

[glad spruce]

Some, like Captain Lewis and Wally, saw Anderson re-establishing an alliance with Black Tusk as him selling out and only in it for power.

[sick lantern]

not really true

gestures at a certain US politician

[torn shoal]

Yeah lmao

[waxen sonnet]

I always thought the Hunters had some women, but the big bulky armour pieces of hunters prevents the features of a woman's figure being obvious

[wicked gorge]

Like Hawkster said, they weren’t big fans of the Black Tusk and believed siding with the division is a better option than them

[wicked gorge]

We’ve probably killed a few women hunters already but you know bulky gear

[torn shoal]

yeah im built like that too

trust me

[wicked gorge]

Source- trust me bro

[torn shoal]

trust me sis

[wicked gorge]

Hmm this is giving off the same energy as a random guy approaching me and asking if i want to help him do something stupid

[upbeat timber]

https://x.com/_tom_henderson_/status/1842210591617822836?s=46

I wonder what this means for div3 or the Div universe now 👀

[sick lantern]

nothing good I'm sure

[torn shoal]

idk, tencent isnt the best thing but guillemot isnt either

it would at least mean that ubi devs get endless money for their games

ubi def isnt the studio it used to be

they saw too big and def couldnt handle it even tho they were passionate at the start

its like when disney bought star wars from lucas

i dont like disney hegemony, but it sure as hell is better than what lucas did

just the show Andor existing is the proof of that

lucas could never

so for ubisoft, wxait and see, but im not sure its a bad thing

[upbeat timber]

Someone responded to me in a different server and said this

“They are just buying out the company from themselves with the help of their major shareholder lol
Yves Guillemot and his family already own Ubisoft lol
This is just to facilitate Tencent into a higher role and to get the money back
The stock has risen by 33% since the news broke lol”

🤔

So tencent prob want a bigger share to get more money back essentially

[sick lantern]

Andor sux

[wicked gorge]

Gotta love corporations

[glad spruce]

Fascinating a it is, this is a lore channel

[upbeat timber]

So as I was talking to him. Essentially private company is no public shareholder can decide. So Ubi think for themselves with tencent

So this might be a good thing tbh. But can’t say anything since it’s not fully implemented yet

[wicked gorge]

Anyone else think some hunters would celebrate Halloween by hunting agents wearing a ghost costume or wearing pumpkin heads?

[near totem]

I dont think they even have to do that, a dark figure charging at you with an axe is scary enough

[wicked gorge]

But it spooky season :3

[near totem]

What if they had jumpscares?

[waxen sonnet]

Like they don't already with that smoke trick and the weird fuzzy blur they cause

[wicked gorge]

They are the jumpscare

[torn shoal]

Nah the jump scare is isac saying high threat hostile in proximity

[wicked gorge]

It be more scary if the hunter wouldn’t be tagged as a hostile till you spotted them and they slowly sneak up to you

[torn shoal]

nah, a monster is more scary if you dont see it but you know its there

if you dont even know its there, its just a jumpscare, thats the worst type of fear

thats why most horror movies that go the jumpscare route are bad af

thats why alien movie was so good, you knew the entire time the alien could be right next to you, but you never see it

[wicked gorge]

Never was a big fan of the Alien movies, but yeah I rather have the hunters be more mysterious and stealthy instead of poof smoke bomb and glitchy huds

[torn shoal]

i mean gameplay wise stealth is kinda not possible

div is a looter shooter not an infiltration game like splinter cell

[wicked gorge]

I remember gameplay for the div 1 before it’s released has a stealth concept but scraped it, i was always curious about it but to me, the hunters aren’t meant to aggressive, sure they’re strapped like a mobile armory but to me they felt direct engagement is a final measure

That’s me tho, ik it’s probably a mix of both

[late void]

'not meant to be aggressive' - they're really just big misunderstood cuddle-bears

[sick lantern]

well utilising stealth for as long as and as much as you can is kinda just common sense no, but it also doesn’t guarantee a W every time

[wicked gorge]

Yes, yes they are, all they want is a hug

[near totem]

Would we be able to kill Aiden Pearce if he was a hunter?

[glad spruce]

Probably

[wicked gorge]

I mean since they’re able to hack tech then yes

I haven’t played wd1 so I don’t really know how bullshit his scalings is

[torn shoal]

he aint even good at what he does, hunters are gov super trained soldiers

[near totem]

The scenario i had in mind was that Pearce would get Cal's special training program (Anabolic Steroids and combat cocktails)

Just like other hunters

[torn shoal]

Isnt aidan like seriously anti gov ? Why would he do that

Also stéroïdes dont make you strong, it just make you bigger

[near totem]

Aiden hates injustice and if the giv isnt righteous he will be against it

Being honest he wold be similiar to Paul Rhodes

[near totem]

After a quick google search, they increase your muscle growth and metabolism rate

[wicked gorge]

But steroid also have a negative impact if overdose so it varies how much they inject

[torn shoal]

Since when does govs cartes about injustice ?

[near totem]

I mean not everybody is bad

[torn shoal]

Havent you see the news from the last 80 years ?

[torn shoal]

Did I say everybody in gov, or gov only ?

I do not care for the indivual as it's the system that is the problem

[near totem]

Good point

[torn shoal]

So, no, gov doesn't care about injustice

Never have, never will

[wicked gorge]

I will recommend this is a lore channel and political comments are a very controversial topic

[torn shoal]

Goes for almost every country on earth too

[torn shoal]

But this is lore tho

Politicians killed the first wave

[wicked gorge]

Oh I thought you were talking about actual politics

[torn shoal]

Then killed the rest sending Hunter

[torn shoal]

The game is bases in the réal world, whatever it's an analogy

When rhodes talk about gov being too powerful and unchecked, what do you think that means ?

It's politixal commentary about real world

The us gov doesn't care about anyone but it self that's why it left first wave to die in dz

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I know, just people can be “overreacting” towards real politics and i dont wanna see a argument about it

Was it the government or just the command in New York that called for the pullout

[torn shoal]

The people overreacting are usually the one with the least knowledge

[wicked gorge]

Aint that the truth

[torn shoal]

Iirc it's both, command pulled out, and gov refused to send help and let people die

There were civilians still in dz and first wave tried to save them

But jtf said nope cya cause they couldnt hold any longer and gov said idc cya too

[wicked gorge]

Least the 1st wave tried to, even if it means almost all of them went awol

[torn shoal]

Btw that's why Ellis is represented as à betraying guy with no moral

[wicked gorge]

Cause he sided with Black Tusk?

[torn shoal]

The message isnt "it's fun to gun down bad guys" but rather "every entity you put your trust in will betray you if left unchecked"

People just assumed he is the président so he is a good guy

As if any président was ever good

He just did what they all did, sold out people for more power

[wicked gorge]

In the words of Reagan- the most terrifying thing to here is I’m from the government and im here to help

[torn shoal]

Yeah regan is def the face of evil

But see Ellis could have been the président who solve the crusis and saves everyone and be remebered as à hero

But he wanted more power, he didn't want to end his term after a few years

So he sides with the girl saying facism is good

So he could have everything while people die

That's litterally what every us gov did for the last 80 years

[near totem]

" i would have nuked NY if i had the chance" very heroic

[torn shoal]

Yep

[wicked gorge]

Politics are too messy mate, everyone is two faced to the core

[torn shoal]

Actually, it's pretty simple

Everyone wabts more power, no matter the cost, even human life

That's it, that's all there is

They just appel to différent people to get their help

[wicked gorge]

Like I said, two faced

[torn shoal]

I dont think they have à 2nd face when they openly say it's ok to kill people and still get support

And nobody bats an eye

Some even cher for it

Cheer *

Please someone take my keyboard out it's a pain

[wicked gorge]

Your keyboard privileges have been revoked for 5 minutes

[near totem]

Do exotics exist in the lore?

[wicked gorge]

Yes

[torn shoal]

If that fixed it I would gladly acceptlol

[wicked gorge]

They just don’t have their effects

[torn shoal]

Yeah but they aint spécial

In lore you dont have rez, armor, etc

[near totem]

Yeah

[torn shoal]

They are just kinda cool looking

Maybe some are tweaked by their user

[wicked gorge]

The only thing special is its skin “what makes this assault rifle so special?” “Well sir, this rifle seems to be generating electricity the longer you shoot it”

And these knee pads were held by the legendary ninja bike messengers

[torn shoal]

Anyway I gotta sleep now

But remember kids, if someone tells you the government wouldnt do that, oh yes it would

(shame it's from a nutjob but still banger quote)

[near totem]

Bullet King would be the most valuable exotic in the post poison world

[wicked gorge]

The best banger quote is breadcrumbs and beaver spit

The most effective exotic would probably be the tar grade chest piece

[near totem]

Yeah

One of the most realistic exotics

But if we would connect realism and in game fantasy

Bullet king would be able to produce unlimted number of shell casings

[wicked gorge]

To be fair, half of the exotics are realistic, the other half (stares at st. Elmo’s)

[ashen jungle]

duct-taping tiny tazers to bullets is entirely realistic.

[near totem]

Elmo can be recreated but it would be a great electric hazard

[fast wharf]

Idk about eb and backfire

How do you even make a sig MPX a literal barbed wire

[wicked gorge]

I mean, a logical view of the Elmo’s could be oh the bullets are generating enough kinetic energy to power the electric current and the weapon to allow electric energy to escape with the bullet

[wicked gorge]

Eagle bearer is pretty realistic to some standards, backfire is literally a jigsaw trap

[ashen jungle]

Your anger makes the bullets hurt them more.

It's honestly very Doom.

[fast wharf]

"I wanna play a game, if you reload you no longer have blood to live, in exchange you get critical damage : D"

[wicked gorge]

My favorite exotic design is bloody knuckles cause I can’t get the thought of sucker punching with a broken shd watch as if they were knuckle dusters

[fast wharf]

Watches are great to punch and cause some broken bones

So yeah pretty much logical

[near totem]

If tentanus or gangrene doesnt get you first :3

[wicked gorge]

But like I was talking with 007, the tardigrade chest plate uses natotech to maintain repairs

[fast wharf]

Thrombosis

[wicked gorge]

So it’s technically the most effective besides the Scorpio

Which is considered a war crime

[near totem]

Scorpio is a warcrime

[wicked gorge]

Beat you to it 😄

[fast wharf]

Nah who cares it's not a crime if there's no more military 😃

[near totem]

If there is no UN nobody can stop us

[wicked gorge]

We’ve taken the un building so we’re in control

Loads war crime stick

[fast wharf]

Alright but being real

The Pentagon fell down real fast

[near totem]

Its just a big office

[fast wharf]

Even tho In reality they'd last a lot longer

[fast wharf]

With actual plans for outbreaks

These people even got a plan for a zombie outbreak

[wicked gorge]

You mean zombie chickens

[fast wharf]

Lol

[wicked gorge]

Im not even lying by saying that

[fast wharf]

[wicked gorge]

The plan covers a lot of potential zombie outbreaks

[fast wharf]

Also with the amount of tech they have they'd deatomize anybody who goes rogue or anybody who tries to take control

[near totem]

Somehow JTF in that building got killed

[fast wharf]

We don't talk about them

[wicked gorge]

Theoretically, since rogue agents are somewhat still registered in the shd network, couldn’t we just destroy their tech

[fast wharf]

They got obliterated by normal civilians

[fast wharf]

That's risky

If you somehow go rogue without intention you'd be in massive danger

[wicked gorge]

Gotta love blurry lines

[fast wharf]

Remember: if the black tusk destroyed the system and the true sons turned off the global network

They could frame anybody to become rogue

[wicked gorge]

I find this funny, but the White House was still a mess before Keener arrived but when Manny lets him stay, he decides to clean it up a bit

[fast wharf]

We all need a guy who decimated half of haven to do something

[ashen jungle]

That's more of an issue with things not really changing around the place unless an "event" happens.
e.g. the bodies out the front being there for us for like a year, but for the characters it was significantly shorter.

[wicked gorge]

I know but I like to think manny thought “gosh, this place is a mess and our special guest is arriving”

[ashen jungle]

For the record: Rogue SHD skills are actually "hacked" and are uncontrollable by the SHD network, which is why they're so canonically strong.
e.g. Decoy, etc.

[fast wharf]

I feel stupid for falling for the decoy sometimes

[wicked gorge]

We’ve all been there

[fast wharf]

I literally shot my own decoy one time

[wicked gorge]

Please tell me it was hacked

[fast wharf]

It wasn't.

Or one time I shot my own teammate

Thinking it was an enemy

My ADHD Hits like a truck sometimes

[ashen jungle]

Oh we've all shot our fellow Agents. The fashion is too similar sometimes.

I figure "why not" and exclusively dress in the full BT outfit when running public Invaded missions.

[wicked gorge]

Good thing division agents are bulletproof if they’re in a group and you hit your brick to be considered rogue

[fast wharf]

I wear a full wt outfit

Wouldn't be surprised if someone shot me

[wicked gorge]

The black tusk camo is supreme, black and white uniforms during summer

Definitely hidden

[ashen jungle]

Tactics aren't as important as being tacti-cool.

It's like how the Outcasts have a big warehouse somewhere full of hazard tape.

[wicked gorge]

You right, that’s why I run the yellow dog backpack

[ashen jungle]

I wonder if we'll get to see a canonical Agent dressed like that, or if we are just toddlers with crayons and a budget.

[wicked gorge]

I believe there was an agent in New York that dressed as a Santa Claus that proceeded to attack cleaners

[torn shoal]

"no isac lm not going rogue they just arent stylish enough to be allowed to live, you know how it is, if it aint swag, it aint allied"

[ashen jungle]

"if they aint swag, they go in the body bag"

[torn shoal]

Truth

Now I want to make a comedy show about division

[ashen jungle]

#td2-pvp-discussions already exists.

[torn shoal]

The brun is real

But true

[wicked gorge]

Im still waiting for a onesie apparel event

[torn shoal]

Borat swimsuit when

Zardoz outfit when

[ashen jungle]

Well that image is going to stick in my brain for a while.

[wicked gorge]

“You see that agent over there with the elephant hoodie?”

[torn shoal]

Aight im in bed now

Stay safe agents

[wicked gorge]

No

[torn shoal]

Remember style > build

[wicked gorge]

If it messes with the armor plates, we don’t like

So if you could bring any character from a franchise into the division, who would it be

[near totem]

Master chief

[sick lantern]

what?

[radiant citrus]

Pretty sure what they're referring to is the fact that, given BTSU and the True Sons can now actively shut off an agents tech, like in the Recruiter Manhunt, it wouldn't exactly be a reach to assume that, with the right knowhow, they could potentially even cause ISAC to brand an "On-Mission" Agent, with a "false" rogue tag.

Ofc given that the Kelso manhunt kind of implies that Anna can already disguise a Rogue Agent and their "Red Ring Of Death", the fact is, deciding who's rogue and who's not is kinda becoming a lot more difficult anyway.

[frail pond]

You do have armor. But you can't tank that many rounds. Probably 2-3 rounds and you would only carry one replacement, and that's only if you're going light

[torn shoal]

nah, agents dont have armor, they are random citizen, not army

[gaunt ice]

ok but then that doesn’t really change the status quo

it’d just open the door for infiltration

[radiant citrus]

Yeah, true. Though, I was merely trying to clarify I guess 😅

Personally I think that even if they could do so, it's still more likely they'd just shut off the SHD Tech entirely and kill em, since BTSU are supposed to be professionals (Even if they clearly suck at following orders, White Oak, Bardon's Squads, etc.) and to them, leaving an agent alive just means another loose end.

[sick lantern]

There is literally a body armour equipment slot

[frail pond]

Right, because civilians in the US can't and are not allowed to buy a plate carrier and armor plates to insert into it that can stop rifle rounds

[torn shoal]

not saying they arent allowed, im saying random civilians dont run around with armor plates

in lore nobody is talking about armor plates for random agents on the field

[sick lantern]

they’re not “random civilians” they’re government agents

[frail pond]

Government agents disguised as random civilians. Well, until the funny orange watch glows

Plus, just because NPCs doesn't actively say it doesn't mean it's there. It's implied that agents and their allies have armor, like the pile of plate carriers in the White House and Haven, for example. Team leaders of the group who helps take control points wears them. And there's also common sense. Sure, some would forgo armor for mobility but that's the exception rather than the rule.

[torn shoal]

agents dont have anything on them beside the watch, thats the entire point

they get activated as sleeper agents then go and shoot stuff

they dont wait forever to gear up and prepare for a fight, the point is to act asap

[sick lantern]

yea they literally see the watch turn on and go and start punching gunmen.

[torn shoal]

on the field they can find better gear/armor/guns/etc but thats it

in div 2 its different, we are months after the activation, so people got stuff now, they have gear/weapons/etc

the entire point of agents is swift action

not an unstoppable force

[sick lantern]

are you actually saying that agents don’t have any equipment at all stashed for when they get activated? cus that’s just factually untrue

[frail pond]

It would be kinda stupid of them, as a response force for when SHTF, to not have a cache of gear that they can get for when, you know, SHTF. More often than not, the looting is a gameplay thing. Sure, they'll take better guns off enemies or whatnot but they aren't cycling through enemy gear like it's a clothing superstore

[torn shoal]

it is stupid yes, thats why first wave was taken down fast

sleeper agents dont work as an army, they never have

[sick lantern]

ok so we’re just like making stuff up now

[frail pond]

The first wave was taken down because they have no reinforcement or logistical base, not because they literally have no gear

[torn shoal]

no, they were taken down cause jtf send them to die and pulled out

and they arent an army

[frail pond]

And when i say logistical base, i mean ammo supply, medical, chow, intel,...

[sick lantern]

and then the rest first wave also pulled out, but then Keener started killing people because his ego was hurt

[torn shoal]

no, litterally they lost cause jtf pulled out of dz, and then dz was only hostiles after that

they say it clearly they were betrayed

[frail pond]

So you think the US Armed Forces are the only people around with armor and guns in arm's reach?

[torn shoal]

and left to die in dz

[frail pond]

But, anyway

[torn shoal]

did i say that ?

[sick lantern]

yes you literally said “in lore you don’t have armour”

[torn shoal]

i feel like you are reading stuff i havent said

[sick lantern]

ah, Lyfe has blocked me, that’s why they keep making up nonsense lol

ain’t listening to facts

[frail pond]

it is stupid yes, thats why first wave was taken down fast
sleeper agents dont work as an army, they never have

agents dont have anything on them beside the watch, thats the entire point
they get activated as sleeper agents then go and shoot stuff

not saying they arent allowed, im saying random civilians dont run around with armor plates
in lore nobody is talking about armor plates for random agents on the field

Need i quote more?

[torn shoal]

yes, you do, cause thats not remotely close to what you claim i said

[sick lantern]

💀

(literal quotes of messages)
“that’s not what i said”

[torn shoal]

litterally im telling you random people dont run around with armor plates, that doesnt mean EVERYONE is naked in the street

[gaunt ice]

he blocks anyone that he cant beat in an argument

[frail pond]

We're talking about Division agents. It kinda has a strong implication, that sentence is, no?

[torn shoal]

whats the strong implication ?

[gaunt ice]

agents absolutely have armor

[frail pond]

nah, agents dont have armor, they are random citizen, not army

not saying they arent allowed, im saying random civilians dont run around with armor plates

[torn shoal]

cause if agents wanted to have armor they also just could bring a tank to ny or fighter jets and just bomb stuff

[gaunt ice]

when they get activated they go back home and stock up

thats where their tech is

[torn shoal]

yes and ? whats the strong implication ?

[frail pond]

BRUH

[gaunt ice]

this absolute brainlet is not comparing having armor to sending a full blown army

[torn shoal]

literally

[sick lantern]

also wrong, because at the point that the SHD needs to be activated, that’s when conventional military responses are no longer sufficient or readily available

Bro is factually incorrect

[torn shoal]

there is a reason agents arent running in full chunga armor

speed > armor

[gaunt ice]

dont tell this man about kevlar n plate carriers

[torn shoal]

thats why they took down the apc in div 1

or the chopper

[frail pond]

Man really thinks a plate carrier is equal to EOD (aka chunga) armor

[torn shoal]

no ?

but im following your logic

if you got time to gear up, why not gear up more

[frail pond]

Ok, that's just bullshit

[gaunt ice]

bro has to be intentionally stupid at this rate

[torn shoal]

why stop to get a beanie and not get a helmet

[sick lantern]

that’s the scary part of the internet these days

[gaunt ice]

this guy definitely dies first to some rioter

[frail pond]

That's the funny part, isn't it. There are options for helmets in the apparel menu, so there are agents who wears it. You want a more canon example, James Dragov. People might not want helmets because they're heavy, said agents want people to see them as more down to earth and not an authority figure that wearing full combat uniforms might entail,...

[torn shoal]

you almost got it

[gaunt ice]

helmets also don’t protect you from anything a bit more than a stick

you get hit in the head its game over

[torn shoal]

People might not want helmets because they're heavy

[gaunt ice]

might aswell run a lightweight kit

[torn shoal]

wait until you find out about weight and its relation to speed

[gaunt ice]

ping me when he blocks you too for not agreeing with him

[sick lantern]

wait chairs try to react to one of lyfe’s messages, have they blocked you too or nah

[frail pond]

But that's not my point, isn't it. My point is Division does have prepared kits. Some chooses to wear helmets, some don't, some chooses to wear armor, some don't, but they do have gear. You think once they're activated, they just grab an empty backpack, walks out of the door and starts sucker punching bad guys?

[torn shoal]

yeah thats not your point, thats mine

[ashen jungle]

Actually SHD Agents do have gear that they're given when they are first tapped to become Agents.

along with the Watch, Lenses, etc.

[gaunt ice]

he did because i said Africa is an example of dumping infinite money doesn’t equate to solving crime

[torn shoal]

yeah they get the basics

[sick lantern]

body armour is basic

[ashen jungle]

I can't believe I have to say this, but absolutely not @gaunt ice

[frail pond]

Oh, you're here, could you do me a solid and answer this question of mine in #td2-general-chat , please?

[gaunt ice]

eh we can argue bout that

[ashen jungle]

no we can not in this server.

[gaunt ice]

fair

[ashen jungle]

@frail pond There's re-balancing next Season, you'll have to wait for the live game.

[frail pond]

Ah, k

[ashen jungle]

SHD Agents are designed to be scavengers, finding what they need, but they are given the tools to start the job off well equipped, and are expected to scavenge later on.

[torn shoal]

oh yeah, huge balance changes next season

yeah, they just go on the field and use whats there

[ashen jungle]

e.g. You get everything at the start, and as time goes on you collect food/water/med stuf, etc, etc.

[frail pond]

I'd say body armor is one step above basic, above a gun at least

[gaunt ice]

vest,gun,ammo,tech

[ashen jungle]

They 100% did not just get body armour.
And some of the Agents actually went way beyond and made a kind of base of operations for themselves, one of said bases is actually a Safe House in div2.

[gaunt ice]

you cant look me dead in the eye and tell me they dont have a vest lying in their garage

which is what lyfe is tryna argue here

[ashen jungle]

They get everything, not just a vest.
Skills, Supplies, Armour, full gear, Guns, Ammo, all the stuff they wear and have on them.

the "scavenge what you need" comes later when supplies get low.

[torn shoal]

the good old endless bag

[gaunt ice]

saying first wave was ill prepared sounds like Keener propaganda ngl

[torn shoal]

with 800 ammo of each gun

[ashen jungle]

When they say the First Wave was "ill prepared", what they mean is for the reality of the situation.

No one expected the Division to actually be activated.

[gaunt ice]

yea i meant equipment wise

[frail pond]

Like i said

The first wave was taken down because they have no reinforcement or logistical base

[ashen jungle]

....No.

[torn shoal]

first wave died cause jtf abandonned them

[ashen jungle]

Remember that a lot of the Agents were just Senators/government officials who wanted an easy ride for their kids.

[torn shoal]

in dz when they pulled out

[frail pond]

Once the JTF pulled out.

Ok, tbh, i haven't played Div 1

[torn shoal]

roflmao

[ashen jungle]

Div1 fills in a lot that div2 leaves out, it's worth a play-through.

[torn shoal]

you could have said that at the beginning

[frail pond]

I watched enough lore videos

[gaunt ice]

first wave died because Keener killed most of them

[torn shoal]

yeah im sure you did, it doesnt matter

[ashen jungle]

NGN is great and all, but there's a reason that I don't watch them myself.

Outside of not needing to.

[frail pond]

You don't need to know that deep in lore to see that "agents don't run around with some armor on them" is a bad take

[torn shoal]

ngn is good to catch what you missed, but its not the same as experiencing it

[ashen jungle]

i'd still suggest him to any one who's played the games and wants to catch up.

[gaunt ice]

they did get abandoned in there,originally div1 just implied that they went rogue and killed everyone who didn’t join them(with Keener leading them)
in div2 it was retconned that ISAC would tag them as rogue if they leave the DZ(which is frankly stupid but whatever)

im not arguing with Hawkster about retcons

[ashen jungle]

If we want to get into retcons, Sokolova existing at all...

For anyone old enough, she's the Monster from Lost.

[torn shoal]

i dont like retcons so they dont exist

[gaunt ice]

i never implied there was only 1 retcon

[gaunt ice]

elaborate more

[torn shoal]

except when the retcon stuff is bad then its fine

[gaunt ice]

is that like an obscure 90s movie

[ashen jungle]

Okay now I'm dust.

[torn shoal]

ok first of all, its not THAT old

rude

[ashen jungle]

I beg to differ from 'chairs reaction.

[sick lantern]

Lost is the tv show about a plane crash

[frail pond]

Anyway, where were we? Oh yes, gear

[sick lantern]

and the ending sucks (so I’ve been told)

[ashen jungle]

No it's not, it's about how far you can stretch out a premise.

and also why GoT was so big.

but I digress.

[torn shoal]

i watched only season 1 of lost

didnt like the direction it was going

[ashen jungle]

It didn't go the direction you thought it would.

[torn shoal]

maybe

[ashen jungle]

I know that because it went the way no one thought it ever could.

[torn shoal]

but it still from the days we had 24+ episodes per season so i def wont watch that again

[ashen jungle]

Okay but back to div2 though.

[frail pond]

And even then, it's ammo, medicine, food and water, maybe a gun or two, not like, whatever we do gameplay wise

[ashen jungle]

I mean, plates for the vest are the big one.

[frail pond]

True

[gaunt ice]

depends on what vest

[torn shoal]

very needed before you get your planed shot down by lmb xd

[ashen jungle]

We canonically use plates, you can see it whenever you "heal".

we aren't putting extra mars bars under there.

[torn shoal]

not in div 1

[gaunt ice]

i meant big plates or small plates

[torn shoal]

but yeah they changed that

[frail pond]

I'm kinda impress with the plates agents get. They can tank like 40 rounds of 7.62 NATO from a BT chunga's minigun before breaking. Not even breaking, no dents, just heated metal and torn off spall liner

[torn shoal]

wait until you find you can add armor while removing it

and how some armor is temporary

[gaunt ice]

thats more like a gameplay thing ngl

[torn shoal]

magically disappear

[frail pond]

Well, you inserted a new plate in, so yes you can add armor by removing it

[frail pond]

gameplay

[gaunt ice]

if you can tank 40 7.62 shots then i think thats not a normal plate

[frail pond]

Yeah

[torn shoal]

yes thats the joke

i should have put a /j

[sick lantern]

nanite paste or something

[gaunt ice]

tfw nanomachines are probably canon to div2 lore

[sick lantern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt ice]

they harden in response to bullet trauma

[frail pond]

STANAG 4569 moment

[sick lantern]

they are canon as of Hunted so

[gaunt ice]

im not even surprised

do they use a scorpio at any point

[sick lantern]

there’s medical nanotechnology and something similar for crazy armour

[gaunt ice]

hunted would end in 2 pages if they used scorpio smh

man i hope the dlc is good

[frail pond]

I hope the DLC adds my wanted guns, like a Mad Pigs Custom Marlin 1895, SIG Sauer M17 or SIG Sauer MCX

[gaunt ice]

i thought div2 takes place in like pre 2020 ish

[ashen jungle]

There is no set date.

It's been changed like 12 times now.

just assume "future".

[gaunt ice]

i thought the timeline thing ironed it out?

@sick lantern did the books ever mention a specific date?

[ashen jungle]

Every time something is "ironed out", some plot-hole appears to to create a new plot canyon.

[gaunt ice]

thats just sad

[ashen jungle]

We had official art of a construction site or similar with a work-order date on it before, then the entire art collection was nuked to ashes.

[frail pond]

November 2016. SIG MCX is 2015. Ok, maybe the M17 isn't that accurate because it's a 2017 thing, so a version of the P320. The Mad Pig Custom, eh idk but a tactical lever action rifle, we need something of that archetype, something for the 1886 to buddy with

[gaunt ice]

man you’re really into guns aint ya

[frail pond]

Yes. Yes i am

[gaunt ice]

also the newspaper adverts about it being in 2016

[ashen jungle]

The art mentioned 2019.

So...

and that was either mid or juuuuust pre-outbreak.

So: don't worry about it. "near future".

Y'all seen Gattaca? That idea.

[frail pond]

TBF, there's that comm about Manny wanting to go back to 2015 and cap Gordon Amherst

So we got a base

[ashen jungle]

A lot of the potential dates take the release dates of the games as canon, but again: those are all over the place.

it has not been 8-9 years since the outbreak.

[sick lantern]

well, The World of The Division refers to an actual IRL politician currently (at the time of the book) serving in a certain position, but it’s not 100% clear if that can be taken as applying in universe or is just meta for the reader’s reference. Besides that, no
Also that the in game timeline actively contradicts the given dates/periods of the events of the Operation Crossroads trilogy

[frail pond]

8-9 years would make more sense for DC to look like that than 1 (or 7 months, depend on when we could pin the environment down)

[sick lantern]

i guess it’s “does the real date of black friday 2015 match up with given timeline info” which i can’t be bothered to figure out

[frail pond]

I mean, that's quite a bit of overgrowth

[ashen jungle]

At some point we have to just bow to "it's a video game, go with it".

we do have infinite turrets.

the cruel irony: SHD agents can produce infinite materials, but can only use them to make roller mines that jump.

[frail pond]

It could may as well be considered canon that the Division consist of loot goblins who hoards everything for themselves and scraps the rest to make murder machines to help them hoards more of everything

[ashen jungle]

I mean, we are paid in Crypto.

[sick lantern]

Black Friday 2015 was november 27th
you have the five days timeline and some more information from resurgence

[ashen jungle]

words can not express how little finding out the actual date of the game matters, if it even lines up with what we know is canon.

How long was it between Tidal Basin's initial mission and Lau's betrayal?

[gaunt ice]

either a week or 3 years

[sick lantern]

the in game timeline has given us specific dates, so, someone on the team cares

[gaunt ice]

the events of div2 are all packed in like a 3 month time frame

[frail pond]

6 months?

[gaunt ice]

no thats div1 to div2

[ashen jungle]

Did Tidal Basin take place directly after the first 4 World Tiers? Because there was a month IRL gap between the two.

[gaunt ice]

as of div2 before wony Lau was still an agent afaik

[ashen jungle]

Correct.

she went rogue at the end of WONY, the whole boat thing.

although she didn't actually go rogue.

and was too stupid to....let it go, Rivens, let it go.

[sick lantern]

WoNY is a month after the base game

and doesn’t the BT invasion happen like literally the night after you storm the capitol

or nah

[gaunt ice]

literally yes

they took over DC in a single night

[frail pond]

Let go and begin again

[gaunt ice]

thats actually insane

[ashen jungle]

I mean, "taking over" a mostly empty city.

it's a bit like taking over a parking lot where someone already opened the gate.

I did always wonder why BT left a big ramp to the underground part where we blow a hole under the wall of Tidal.

[frail pond]

BT waited until after we do all the heavy lifting and just waltz in, the lazy bunch (yes, i know it makes strategic sense for them to wait until after their enemies wear each other out but still)

[ashen jungle]

BT were canonically watching us for the right time, there's some echo's you can find around DC still.

[frail pond]

Yeah, Schaffer and gang, iirc

[ashen jungle]

Yeah near the road that goes right from the White House.

[frail pond]

So, wonder what next season's gonna be about. I would be disappointed if it's anything other than Schaffer waking up and starts working

[ashen jungle]

Next Season is most likely going to be focused around helping set up Keener's network, and then the DLC/div3 will be the real plot advancement.

[sick lantern]

“uhh agent… i need you to find four very specific cases of aspirin for me, and then a climactic case of vodka”

that’s the manhunt

[frail pond]

LMFAO

[ashen jungle]

It's actually 14 cases of Asprin.

and then you can find a really tough case of vodka if you choose.

You could say that you find it....Masterfully.

[gaunt ice]

meanwhile Manny and Mari had another disagreement

[cold bramble]

Theo will be one of the focal points.

Is that the right word? 😂

[gaunt ice]

also did they ever do anything else with that plotpoint about Mari being brainwashed or whatever

[frail pond]

How did they even get together if they have that much bickering?

[gaunt ice]

when Vik was talking about they did something with the baby

[sick lantern]

not yet iirc

[gaunt ice]

“yet”

been a whole year since that

[gaunt ice]

you dont get to choose in an apocalypse

[cold bramble]

I wanna know what they gonna do with that btsu thing right outside the White House lol

[frail pond]

Kelso

[gaunt ice]

Manny has like 0 rizz lmao

[gaunt ice]

mid+she betrayed us,sorta

[ashen jungle]

The next person who rates an ingame characters attractiveness will get a hammer to the face.
It's creepy and weird.

[gaunt ice]

Manny gets a 0

he’s bad at his job

the only time he actually “led” an assault and it failed so spectacularly

[ashen jungle]

Our Agent was taken down by a shocking case after we already saw someone get shocked by it.

Let's not throw shade here.

[gaunt ice]

ok but a really dumb John Wick is still better than a really dumb commander

[ashen jungle]

and now we know, was canonically too stupid to check if Theo was actually dead.

[gaunt ice]

that still pisses me off

maybe they’re all holograms

[ashen jungle]

The guy that used dozens of Decoys, hundreds if the fight went on for a while.

[gaunt ice]

what if reviver hive was canon

[ashen jungle]

"check his pulse? nah I shot him in the arm, I think".

[ashen jungle]

Hornet.

[gaunt ice]

the mental image of Keener hiding in a trash bin waiting for the agent to scramble somewhere else is comical

[ashen jungle]

Keener being alive I can accept more, since Kelso is the one who checked him, and Keener seems like enough of a weirdo to be able to keep his eyes open for way too long.
For Theo we should be using an EMF.

[frail pond]

We should've Mozambiqued him, like Kajika instructed on his pistol

[cold bramble]

Aside from whoever may be in Brooklyn working with keener or maybe even undisclosed sleeper cells that may still be in dc and ny do we know of anymore rogue agent groups that are still operational?

[sick lantern]

There’s a whole country out there so

[cold bramble]

It really does interest me knowing what could be out there

[gaunt ice]

Theo fight is just kinda stupid

unless he had a massive jammer there you can always just EMP the entire field and null his decoys

its not a gameplay thing btw thats totally plausible

the story expects us to be literally a rookie

not checking people’s pulses,do facial ID,or bag n tag

actual rookie hour

Keener is even worse cuz Kelso wasn’t rogue back then

there were no bagging,double tap,no nothing

just leave his sad pathetic and totally dead body there

[frail pond]

I mean, based on possible backstories, we are rookies. But yeah, Kelso's even worse, she's ex-CIA

[gaunt ice]

ok but im fairly sure that the police academy taught rookies to check for pulse,bag n tag

i dont even need to be in the force to make that assumption they taught that in boy scout

when you see someone wounded check for pulses

[cold bramble]

Ooh that just sparked a question. How much do we know about the training process of division agents? And are they still training new agents? (I don’t mean new players for this I mean solely lore wise)

[gaunt ice]

well i'd imagine them help settlements train guards n all

official agents?not really

too late for that now

[frail pond]

Probably, but not as sleeper agents. The new agents are trained from the base where they load the Ospreys to do the air drop events

[sick lantern]

officially, new agents are not being trained, but, Division agents (or perhaps just certified recruiters) have the authority to initiate individuals into the SHD, as seen in Recruited (hence the name)

[cold bramble]

That’s interesting

[cold bramble]

Is that base mentioned in game at all?

[frail pond]

No, but those Ospreys have to come from somewhere

[cold bramble]

Ahh true

[humble jacinth]

I wonder if our agent did everything by themselves from the start to today events

Or did they canonically work with others?

[cold bramble]

Mine did up until wony 😂

[humble jacinth]

Lol

[sick lantern]

sent you pics of the pages about training from The World of The Division

cus I can’t be bothered to type all that out

[humble jacinth]

Ay, can you send them to me too?

[glad spruce]

Jesus Christ. So many messages.

Just a reminder that we'll get the 70th Descent comm this Tuesday.

[cold bramble]

Much appreciated

[frail pond]

Can i have them too, please?

[glad spruce]

Do we know who voices Natalya Sokolova?

[ashen jungle]

I believe right now it's just speculation, but we'll probably find out with the DLC.

[glad spruce]

Alright

[torn shoal]

wait, its not public ?

shouldnt voice actors get credited for their works ?

[ashen jungle]

It's the video-game industry, it took them a few decades to even get dev credits.

[torn shoal]

yeah but its not the same now, especially with ai coming in

[ashen jungle]

Her voice isn't AI, but regardless: we don't know yet, we'll 100% find out in the DLC since credits.

If she's not just a regular NPC's VA already, pulling double duty.

[torn shoal]

i know she aint ai, but most companies try to get rid of va with ai, to save more money

i jsut think its weird she didnt got credits

[wicked gorge]

It’s either she doesn’t wanna be recognized or they just haven’t put a name

They used her va before sokolova was introduced

[ashen jungle]

Or she's just voiced by an NPC that's around already and they maybe plan to replace her with a pricier VA later on.

If you're really that curious, try checking some of the background NPC VA's. It's more likely one of them if we don't have a new specific credit.

[torn shoal]

maybe

but im too lazy and tired to check

[wicked gorge]

I did so checking and couldn’t find anything

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[frail pond]

IKR? RMB is superior /j

[sudden mortar]

True, and since this is a live service game, I think updating the credits list is the last thing the devs will do with the DLC. Bcs let's be honest, the only reason we watch the games credits is to know who are the VAs and people behind the others dev teams (producers, designers, programmers...)

[cold bramble]

What do we know about the g Philips protocol? It’s showing as a point of interest on the dc map

[sleek plover]

Cue Dr. Seussesque narration: "It all began when little Natalya Sokolova couldn't have a cake she liked for her 7th birthday. Ever since than, she vowed to take over the world."

[cold bramble]

Was that an answer to my question or?

[gaunt ice]

he’s just like that sometimes dw

been years now

[ashen jungle]

Yeah the sexism is new though.

[gaunt ice]

i feel like he just hates the character more than yonow sexist

im not around here a lot tho so maybe im missing out on something idk

[cold bramble]

But anyway. I did the mission for that protocol thing and there was no comms or anything so it was very confusing

[gaunt ice]

i dont remember there being one like that

[ashen jungle]

I've decided that I'm over making excuses for it.
anyway, yeah certain things either didn't get updated yet or were never really intended to.

[gaunt ice]

is that in the pts or something

[gaunt ice]

hi over making excuses for it

[sick lantern]

isn’t that a classified assignment

idk

[cold bramble]

It was a point of interest on the west side of the map

[frail pond]

Huh?

[glad spruce]

Got busy writing transcripts for comms from Season 1, 2, and 3 in the wiki.

Oh, and tomorrow's the 70th Descent comm

[torn shoal]

cant wait to complete them all

[glad spruce]

Gotta collect em all. /lh

[ornate gull]

Btw i been wonder

How many day/month passed since Division 2 story start?

[torn shoal]

few months

you can see the timeline in previous manhunt menu

[ornate gull]

Wonder when we reach Winter

[torn shoal]

prob in div 3

[ornate gull]

Snow in DC

[torn shoal]

or maybe the dlc

[ornate gull]

Div3, back to beginning

And Ubisoft add Survival Again

[wicked gorge]

Probably in Y6S4 if everything is going by the ingame timeline

They can keep survival in div 1

[sudden mortar]

Is there any explanation why the nemesis has the same silhouette of the four rogue agents of the WONY campaign?

[fast wharf]

?

[torn shoal]

it doesnt, its a copy of your agent

[sudden mortar]

Yeah but if you pay attention, you see it has the Kajika, Conley and Parnell outfit sometimes.

[torn shoal]

i think its just random rogue outfits

open world rogue also have them i think

[wicked gorge]

If I had to guess, those were the 4 most dangerous rogues so why not make them a shooting Gallery, the first descent trailer showed Keener as the nemesis

It’s probably more in line with the questions we can’t currently answer

[sudden mortar]

Which is weird, because it doesn't look like the hunters or other agents used the facility again after the outbreak and the div1 events

[wicked gorge]

Its a can of worms to consider

If you want a more logical answer ask Hawkster, I know he knows more about descent than me

[sleek plover]

well...
thars like the modified version of it to make it less sexist...

[glad spruce]

But canonically, we did discover the entrances to the facility back in Y5S1.

Heck, even Manny makes an indirect reference to Descent in one of this season's comms, as he was curious why the comms intel we got in Descent this season involves Silver Creek (aka redacted)

[glad spruce]

New week, new Descent comm. Log 70 titled Ann Arbor.

||Donovan Tower checks in with the team in the Ann Arbor facility who were working in the Broad-Spectrum Anti-Virals and asking them if they were close to finishing it. However, he doesn't have proper clearance as the woman told him its a matter of national clearance.||

||Donovan is desperate as he wants the BSAV and the anti-viral his team is working on would kill them sooner or later. The lady condescends him and tells him that he's well better than 90% . Donovan needs live virus samples on unmutated Green Poison for the scientists in his team to work on. Again, the lady condescends him by telling him that Ann Arbor facility can't help him as they have their own work to deal with. Though she recommended Donovan to reach out DCD Headquarters||

||Donovan then tells them to f them and f their lab||

[glad spruce]

I should also mention that they fixed the missing subtitles for Descent comms 61 and 62

[wicked gorge]

Is it me or did she sound like a smartass?

Also kinda interesting she didn’t get a name

[glad spruce]

She is. And she was one of the people who were working on the BSAVs for Green Poison in Ann Arbor

[mint citrus]

Wonder what happened to Doctor Kandel?

[glad spruce]

All we know is that she moved to Ann Arbor to work on the BSAVs after the events of Div 1. Whether she survived the Black Tusk's raid on the facility remains to be seen.

[true fox]

it means that...
Won't we have a 100% rerun of the previous seasons?
and that ?

Was this the project you were talking about in PTS phase 1?

Does anyone know if there will be a possibility of a complete rerun?
at some point in the future

[glad spruce]

Wrong channel

[wicked gorge]

Yeah but you would figure a random one off would still get a name unless it’s a glitch

[glad spruce]

It's possible it's a glitch. Descent comms 61 and 62 didn't have subtitles until it was fixed in a recent update

[wicked gorge]

Maybe its actually Kandel and they’re slowly teasing her return

[torn shoal]

idk, do we need to always get the same characters as in div 1 ?

[wicked gorge]

I was saying it as a joke

I prefer characters to stay in their game instead of coming back as a cameo

So what are the chances that we find out the BSAVs have a flaw in them

[sick lantern]

there are only two named female characters in ann arbor and one of them's kandel so

[wicked gorge]

What’s the other one?

[sick lantern]

can't remember tbh

[wicked gorge]

One of the only characters I do want to come back is the agent that helped April in Broken Dawn, i can’t remember his name but I think it was Diaz?

[sick lantern]

Aurelio Diaz

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, he was a goat

[sick lantern]

Kavita Chandrasekhar

[wicked gorge]

I dont remember that character

[sick lantern]

she shows up for a bit at the tail end of Broken Dawn

i don't remember if Kandel is actually physically in Ann Arbor either, i dont think she is

[wicked gorge]

Last time I read Broken Dawn was 2019 and judging by the lore snippets we got for Kandels, she’s probably at the JTF stronghold

[glad spruce]

Holy hell, I need a break. I spent the last few days writing comm transcripts for Seasons 1 to 4 in the wiki.

[torn shoal]

chadwster

[wicked gorge]

The only agent to play descent and tells us the comns

[glad spruce]

That's me!

[torn shoal]

i played descent a few times

but it sure is way to long to grind

and you cant pause it

[cold bramble]

Wait I just realised something from the latest comm

The female sounded like ai kinda the name of the comm is Ann Arbor. Could it have an Anna or am I just overthinking it?

[torn shoal]

i mean the coonection could exist if she was specialized in tech, not medecine

[glad spruce]

You're overthinking it. The woman in that comm definitely doesn't sound like an AI

[torn shoal]

also yeah, ai in the div is very obvious, not trying to sound human

think like glados, not like midjourney or whatever they up to now

[ornate gull]

I was thinking for week

When we will have back Support Station?

We get Sticky Bomb back in WONY

[wicked gorge]

Technically it’s the hive

[ornate gull]

But not really support Station

[wicked gorge]

They said they aren’t focusing on skills atm but if they do decide to bring more skills then maybe we’ll get it back

I personally want the flash-bang sticky to return

[torn shoal]

closer you'll ever get, cause if we had support station, repeair hive would be useless

[wicked gorge]

Basically

If anything the support station could focus more on supplying agents with Ammo and grenades

[ornate gull]

Support Station have wider range

[torn shoal]

yeah, thats the point of repair hive, nerf the healing

sustain was whack in div 1 and you could sustain anything

[torn shoal]

not sure thats useful when most places have ammo boxes

[ornate gull]

Well we didn't have Armor like enemy

[ornate gull]

You don't need ti waste time refil or risk danger

[wicked gorge]

Its a concept, since the hive exists, the support station would just be similar to it

[torn shoal]

they aint really present in div 2 either except some specific places

[wicked gorge]

So its kinda useless to have two skills that basically mimic each other

[torn shoal]

thats the point tho, to make you risk it, instead of being unkillable in support station range

[ornate gull]

Also the fact is, support station have build in force aggro

[wicked gorge]

I rather they create new skills instead of bringing back old skills

[glad spruce]

^

[torn shoal]

only if no agent is around

[glad spruce]

I feel like some players just want Division 3 to be Div 1 2.0 rather than be its own thing

[torn shoal]

yeah

[ornate gull]

I want Div 3 to have all skill of div 1 and 2

[torn shoal]

that would be super bad

like incredibly bad

[wicked gorge]

I agree with that but like I said, a lot of skills would mimic each other

[torn shoal]

the hive would be completely useless

[ornate gull]

Bring back Health Sagment and you now have Armor of div2, medkit return

[torn shoal]

medkit was deleted cause it was too op man, what are you on ?

[wicked gorge]

The amount of balancing and how to tweak them to be unique

[torn shoal]

did you play the wrong game ?

cause it sounds like you wanna play doom, not division

[wicked gorge]

A shotgun and chainsaw build doesn’t sound bad

[torn shoal]

at this point lets have saitama in the game

[ornate gull]

Aren't we already hsve them?

Legendary Difficult

Mob 1 hit melee you

[torn shoal]

i have no idea what you're trying to say

[wicked gorge]

This might sound controversial but I actually prefer the armor system more than the health system in div 1

[ornate gull]

Regardless how much toughness you have

[torn shoal]

yeah you're not supposed to melee enemies

you're supposed to shoot them

thats why we dont have an axe

[wicked gorge]

Until you realize how cool your agent looks flipping the pistol in their hand to hit someone

[ornate gull]

But that doesn't make you safe against flank LMB SF Rusher

[torn shoal]

its not supposed to make you safe

you're supposed to feel threatened byt rushers

and every enemy actually

you're not playing street fighter 6

[ornate gull]

I would love to use Balistic Shield and Shield Bash Hunter with FNC set

[wicked gorge]

The division is supposed to be tactical to an extent instead of running around like a mad man hyped on psycho

[torn shoal]

yeah i think kanza is a troll at this point

only asking for the most op game breaking stuff to come back

[ornate gull]

You saying medkit op because you dislike 8s status immunity

[wicked gorge]

Don’t you get that stuff from perks tho?

It relies on your build

[ornate gull]

Well it alway in most build

Medkit a day, keep status aliment away

[glad spruce]

Anyways, this discussion has nothing to do with lore. So let's just stop here before Rivens comes in with the hammers

[ornate gull]

Alright then

Let take Div3

[wicked gorge]

The medkits in div 1 are funny, imagine someone decided imma make a drug that allows you to walk through fire and electricity for a few seconds before being affected

[ornate gull]

Do we expect return of Cleaner,Riker as primary faction in Brooklyn?

[glad spruce]

Who really knows

[wicked gorge]

We’re probably gonna see only black tusk and true sons

[ornate gull]

True Son, idk if they ever spread influence to NYC and Brooklyn

BT probably want more ground to take

[wicked gorge]

True sons are embedded in the black tusk now, we saw them in the Kelso manhunt mission so

[ornate gull]

Embed as in Assimilate or Recruit?

[wicked gorge]

Yep

The price of power season explains the true sons siding with the black tusk and Anderson giving his loyalty to Sokolova

[ornate gull]

I see then.

I would be shock if LMB return in Div3

[wicked gorge]

They’re technically black tusk now and JTF

After the water treatment plant, many broke off into smaller enclaves, joined different factions, sided with the JTF, or joined the Black Tusk when they were in New York

[ornate gull]

Or probably hiding

Conscripts more personal

[wicked gorge]

Or mercenaries, I would like to see bounty hunters used in the universe

[ornate gull]

Now i been thinking about calling reinforcement in div2

Why ubisoft not think about calling npc Agent?

[wicked gorge]

We are the backup

[ornate gull]

Where the main one?

[wicked gorge]

I mean when we arrived in DC, the division was on the brink before we got everything working again so yeah, we’re the backup and our infinite respawn is our best friend

But logically, I don’t think massive has the resources to implement reinforcement atm

[strange pecan]

🤗

[tepid ibex]

👀

[wicked gorge]

I detect heresy in your message

[cold bramble]

The JTF and the second wave agents are no where to be found
It's so over

[tepid ibex]

We got Keener and an unconscious Shaeffer, we'll be fine

[sleek plover]

And we have famous white house cherry pies

[wicked gorge]

We have boom booms and a unlimited stash of ammo, it’s over when we say it’s over

[cold bramble]

You know I find it crazy how from the start BTSU had eyes on the agent but in the end Shaeffer got the shaft at the pentagon
Those 2 echoes right next to the White House were hard core

If it weren't for the infinite respawns they could've ended the game instantly

And no one would know
A bunch of hyenas in a fight with the JTF
Who would've expected an extra body in the pile

[glad spruce]

Are we seriously gonna argue about the lore and gameplay segregations?

[wicked gorge]

Those were before our agent got to dc

[sick lantern]

isn’t one of them literally them observing the player’s arrival in dc tho

[wicked gorge]

Not sure, I’m pretty sure it’s when they’re observing a agent leave the white house then proceed to capture and interrogate them into giving away a network nerve

[ornate gull]

I been thinking

Do division have branch in other country?

[wicked gorge]

You mean like they’re international?

[ornate gull]

Yeah

[wicked gorge]

Strategic Homeland Division

[sick lantern]

Negative

[wicked gorge]

International would probably be on the borders of Mexico and Canada and if you want to count it US territories

[wicked gorge]

Technically they would be international since the outbreak would be during the holidays and people love to travel so in a way yes but no

I got a question for you Kanzaki I forgot to ask yesterday, but are you fully caught up on the lore?

[ornate gull]

Not entirely

[wicked gorge]

How far are you into it

[ornate gull]

As far about Keener fake death

[wicked gorge]

Oh, then your basically fully caught up besides the newest season

[ornate gull]

Not entire

[wicked gorge]

Yeah, I figured you were behind since you didn’t know the true sons were embedded with the bt

[ornate gull]

I kinda forget

When did event of Faye Sister killed by Riker in Hell Kitchen?

[torn shoal]

no, they arent the cia

they ahve no authority to act anywhere else

[sick lantern]

between games

[ornate gull]

I see

[ornate gull]

Hmmm

[wicked gorge]

Replaying the Roosevelt manhunt mission gave me a thought, since the rogues developed the modifier for the EMP burst, couldn’t keener tweak the tech to prevent it from affecting us

[gaunt ice]

sir thats not how EMP works

[wicked gorge]

Then explain how the black tusk can rank the modified emps and they’re stuff works like a charm

I know its gameplay

[gaunt ice]

its a game balance thing

realistically they cant deploy tech proxies simutaniously with EMP

when approaching liberty island you can see the black tusk disabling Keener's EMP

[wicked gorge]

Yeah I know, just wished it actually work like it realistically would yk

The lore for those things confuse me, Jupiter was talking about how they would destroy the division but im thinking wouldn’t it have the same effect on them

[gaunt ice]

well i mean they're fanatics

"this will destroy the division fr fr" live striker reaction

[ornate gull]

I wonder are BT holding back their strength

If they can make Warhound

[ashen jungle]

They didn't make the Warhounds, they stole them from the DARPA labs.

same place we got our SHD tech from.

[ornate gull]

Okay if warhound aren't their original work

[gaunt ice]

the opposite actually

they're going all out

cuz why would they hold back

[ornate gull]

But since they stole tech, i bet they making Droid to mitigate human personal casualty

[glad spruce]

Obviously. Why else would they make bomber drones?

[ornate gull]

Droid like Battle Droid

[ashen jungle]

The bd-1's from star wars? I think they have being terrible covered already.

[ornate gull]

It just example

They have enough resources to research droid to replace human personal

[ashen jungle]

Div2 has never been full-blown sci-fi, and talking robots is a step too far.

By the time you get to autonomous bipedal robots, you've well passed laser guns.

[ornate gull]

Laser gun may accurate

But they give time window to dodge

If they shot blaster bolt

Balistic gun, you either get lucky or graze

[ashen jungle]

I'm sure it could be justified in the lore if you squint hard enough, but I very much doubt it'll ever happen.

[ornate gull]

Well our Agent have nanotech and state of art physical fitness training

[ashen jungle]

Do we have nanotech?

scan-tek eye lenses are not nano, if that's what you're thinking of.

[ornate gull]

Then how you explain support station?

Or first aid

Then restorer hive

Oh wait, restorer hive fix armor

Not heal body

[sudden mortar]

I think we could consider the hive nano tech, (or micro idk)

[ashen jungle]

That's the thing, nano is kind of a specific thing, it's at a microscopic level.
Just "very small" is what I see the hives as, since you can physically see them.

as for how health heals work, uh let's go typical video-game logic and just say "adrenaline shots".

[sudden mortar]

Btw they never explained how the chimera shield, or the how boomer "defender thing" works. They just say that is experimental tech.

[ashen jungle]

It's my head-canon that our Agent is just incredibly gullible and just takes people at their word.
re: the entire current Kelso/Keener plot.

It's why we can't go through locked doors in alleyways, even though we can shoot padlocks off other doors.

[sudden mortar]

Well he must be the deputy's brother from FC5

[eager viper]

We are brainwashed yes men and women and all this time keener has been trying to free us ... its the cia all over again oh no...

[glad spruce]

?

[gaunt ice]

tardigrade exotic chestpiece is noted to be nanotech iirc

[torn shoal]

"but manny said its off limits and nobody ever betrayed our trust before so we believe him"

[ashen jungle]

See they couldn't get the nanotech to actually work for it, so instead they just put a bunch of actual Tardigrades in the vest.

[gaunt ice]

i can see that working

[next hemlock]

I mean tartigrades are essentially indestructible

[wicked gorge]

Calm down Rivens, your talking like a rogue agent

[plain junco]

which is why im usually always screaming at my agent to make better choices

[ornate gull]

Rogue Agent: Why are you so stubborn!? Just ignore that god damn order
Agent: Better than live without it

[wicked gorge]

I just like the thought that agents don’t want to handle responsibilities so they just let everyone else decide what they’re doing

[torn shoal]

well, they dont anything beside actions to take on site

like focusing enemies/etc

but they def dont have a choice when it comes to where they should go/what they should do

if they refuse, isac flag them as rogue

[sick lantern]

factually incorrect

[gaunt ice]

technically according to wony he's kinda right

its bullshit but its sorta the canon now

the only way to justify keener's bs im afraid

[ashen jungle]

We need to travel back in time and stop that one person from writing about that Agent who stole from a pharmacy.

[gaunt ice]

but rivens how would they prove that ISAC is incompetent and a flat out worse version of ANNA

[ashen jungle]

He doesn't need to be, have both exist.

[gaunt ice]

well unfortunately thats how it is rn

they're driving home the point that ISAC is worse and slowly building towards us swapping to ANNA

personally i don't like her just because of her snarky quirky remarks come off as condescending more imo

[ashen jungle]

If it's going in the direction I think it is, there's a very specific reason they're going that route.
but I've mentioned this on here enough by now.

[sick lantern]

and wony as we know flies in the face of prior established worldbuilding, lore and narrative

the point of division agents is autonomy, that they don’t need to be really governed or ordered
half the first game was pointing out how that is the kinda shady questionable way they operate

even in broken dawn the jtf officer was like “yea i can’t order you to do anything”

[gaunt ice]

i dont like it better than you do kirby

but it is what it is

[torn shoal]

yeah, lore is getting too deep and contradicting other parts of lore

it was expected tbh, the story/lore was never the good part of division

i remember in one piece, oda was checking the wiki made by fans to not mess up is own lore lmao

thats how hard it is to be consistent

[glad spruce]

Cool

[wicked gorge]

So if I break into an abandoned convenience store and I steal a Red Bull, im considered rogue

[torn shoal]

if you break any law really

but you need to be an agent to be rogue

otherwise you're only considered a looter

and agents are allowed to shoot you on sight

[sick lantern]

i think looting stops being a crime when society breaks down and 90% of people die

if you're not armed/not threatening anyone, and not taking loot from anyone alive, don't think you can get shot for that actually

almost like in game we saw civilians looting the abandoned streets and didn't shoot them

[wicked gorge]

Gotta love strict rules

[wicked gorge]

Well I was talking from an agent perspective

[torn shoal]

Well youre allowed to use lethal force to maintain the laws and order, but you aint allowed to break it for yourself it seem

[wicked gorge]

And when you have to break it to do good, your considered bad

[torn shoal]

not really

only depend if isac says its ok to do so

you can do anything isac says is ok

including bombing stuff

[sick lantern]

i don't even think that's how it works in division 2's version of lore. like it's moreso presented that ISAC is just very bad at actually interpreting actions and the SHD's guidelines

[wicked gorge]

The rules are blurry

[sick lantern]

such are the joys of inconsistent writing

[torn shoal]

i mean the rules also say no going back, you either win your fight or die trying

and the agents who saw a doomed fight and refused to die were flagged as rogue

[glad spruce]

What even is inconsistent anymore? A small error in a story and people would cry for blood

[torn shoal]

nah, small errors are fine

but thoses arent small, they are the backbone of the story

half of the rogue you face in lore got betrayed by jtf/shd command/isac

if you think about it

kajika was flagged rogue cause he abandonned jtf in a bad fight to survive

the entire first wave was wiped out or became rogue cause the rogues decided to not die

isac said "fight and die or become rogue"

some people who stole medecine to survive were flagged as looters and isac said agents should kill them

ellis betrayed everyone and we werent allowed to stop him

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t we find out his betrayal after he betrayed us

[sick lantern]

yea

he ran away the same night the BT invaded

[sick lantern]

also "weren't allowed to stop him" we were literally at white oak to capture him

[torn shoal]

yes, but we still werent able to kill him

thats why faye went rogue, to free herself from isac chains

and kill him

[wicked gorge]

We weren’t able to kill him cause he’s still considered President technically and we we’re always ordered to capture him whenever we could

Im not really sure how it’s portrayed in the division but I know we weren’t given a kill order on him

Also Faye didn’t go rogue to kill Ellis, she went rogue cause her and Keener found a bigger conspiracy that involved the black tusk, Ellis was just a loose end to her

[torn shoal]

capture him to do what ? he is still president, we cant capture him, he just has to order to be freed and we have to obey

[glad spruce]

Even in the comm where Lau discuss setting up a meet with Ellis, she thought he was an a-hole by the time she finished talking to him

[wicked gorge]

Didn’t she mainly kill him cause of the button

[wicked gorge]

Doesn’t work like that

[torn shoal]

it does for isac

obviously humans can say fk it and just ignore the law and do a revolution

but agents are bound to isac rules

and isac rules say : president cant do anything wrong he is the one who decide whats right

[wicked gorge]

If that were the case we would of been marked Rogue for not siding with Ellis when he sided with the black tusk

[torn shoal]

no, for that ellis has to acknowledge to isac that black tusk are alies, not enemy

[glad spruce]

That as well.

[torn shoal]

isac was in limbo at that point, ellis was a problem but he was still in charge

also ellis has immunity for any crime

cause law is funny like that when you're rich and powerful

so isac goal is : save what remain

but ellis is like "nah, fk that"

and isac is like "ok, so now what"

isac doesnt have the authority to decide to arrest ellis, agents and manny decided to do it

it would only be on the sideline

but lets say they arrested him

the moment ellis says to isac that agents have to work with black tusk, they have to or they get flagged rogue

[sick lantern]

which either means he's a dumbass for not doing it, or actually couldn't

[torn shoal]

unless you pull a "achktually isac now learn to be conscious and decide new stuff"

its like the robocop movie

(the first one didnt see the remake and the sequels)

[sick lantern]

you're correct

[torn shoal]

robocop programming says : help citizen, kill bad guy

but then, one of its line of code says "never hurt ceo", which is a drug lord or whatever

[wicked gorge]

You do understand that he is marked with treason against the United States, I think that’s the right term for it

[torn shoal]

and he is just stuck

[torn shoal]

treason is a funny thing, its decided by a popular thing, not by laws

at least when it comes to president

if you get a revolution, the old guard are traitors

if revolution fail, the revolutionists are the traitors

there is only 1 side, the winner

as long as he hold the title of president and people follow him, he aint a traitor

and isac is bound to follow him by programming

[wicked gorge]

He is still a enemy of the country, even if he is the president, he is still considered rogue and is stripped of his presidential powers

[sick lantern]

and Ellis, by way of betraying the goverment and country by siding with a Russian backed PMC, was the one revolting against the established law and order
nice spiel though

[torn shoal]

unlike robocop, isac cant decide "no im human"

[torn shoal]

he isnt considered rogue

[wicked gorge]

Is that a fax machine?

[torn shoal]

and enemy of the country is too vague

[sick lantern]

cus ur spitting fax
put it there so Lyfe can see no one agrees lol

[torn shoal]

there isnt a justice system in place anymore

[wicked gorge]

Lyfe, are you an American? Just asking

[torn shoal]

thank god no

but i studied its history

check the secession

its the same

[wicked gorge]

You gotta understand the concept in the division is way different in real life, Ellis would of been marked rogue for siding with a PMC that is trying to invade the United States and instate itself as authoritarian police, Ellis would still be considered president but he wouldn’t have any powers or influence

[torn shoal]

you didnt read what i said

[wicked gorge]

Nope, mainly cause I didn’t notice

[torn shoal]

isac doesnt have authority to say ellis is rogue

isac is bound to the rules

[sick lantern]

as far as I know the legitimacy of Ellis' presidency isn't actually mentioned in game, but, under you know like common sense, the whole Russian PMC thing, it's a safe assumption

it's not said ever "president can do whatever he wants lmao ur rogue"

[torn shoal]

presidents in history worked with a lot of pmcs

[wicked gorge]

And if ISAC was bound to those rules, we would have been marked rogue for killing one black tusk

[torn shoal]

not the case either

i told why already

[ornate gull]

Which come to my curious

[wicked gorge]

Yeah in which they serve the United States, not try to overthrow it and take control

[ornate gull]

Why our Agent hasn't update ISAC protocol yet

[torn shoal]

they didnt try to overthrow, thats the point, ellis was with them

also recruiting militia instead of using military/police is a thing

[wicked gorge]

You ever try updating a windows computer and it’ll sometimes take hours? I expect it to be something like that

[sick lantern]

the US goverment isn't a perfect pillar of liberty and democracy or anything but I really don't think Lyfe gets how it works, like, at all
separate but equal, checks and balances, all that stuff

[ornate gull]

Don't forget corruption

[wicked gorge]

Every government has corruption

[torn shoal]

corruption isnt the pb here

[wicked gorge]

I mean technically it is with the story they’re going with now

[sick lantern]

it literally is 💀

[torn shoal]

i think you overestimate how much us gov and laws are about making citizen safe and free

?

i mean we're not forced to talk about lore, but thats a lore channel

[wicked gorge]

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