#division-universe

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glad spruce
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Given how much I hate Razorbacks, it's a good thing that Keener didn't hack the one in Liberty Island

torn shoal
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i mean its still the same razorback, just different owner

wicked gorge
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Like I said, if the Rogue network isn’t enough to take out the bt and hunters, Keener has Eclipse as a desperate time calls for desperate measures situation

torn shoal
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why would the rogue network not be enough ?

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even bt fear the rogue network and actively fight against it from existing

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its def a threat

wicked gorge
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Im saying if it does fail

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Im not saying it wont be enough

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The major flaw with the rogue network so far I’ve seen is the black tusk countermeasure can disrupt it like the shd network

torn shoal
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that would be a bad call, bt isnt a threat to keener, hunters are

sick lantern
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and the Hunters are working withhhh...

wicked gorge
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Dun dun dun

torn shoal
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its like saying "we should kill the gov so that div doesnt exist"

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and then poof, div still here

wicked gorge
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The whole eclipse plot is honestly messy

torn shoal
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well yeah, devs were scrambling for plot to get the dlc

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keener was the bad guy = get him as boss

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they made him bloodthirsty when he never was

sick lantern
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i mean they had nearly a year

wicked gorge
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Only thing i really see making sense is oh keener made an advance bioweapon and used it to attract attention so more people would believe he was killed off, but theres alot of plot holes in that

sick lantern
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inb4 that's the exact plot petter

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sounds plausible lmao

wicked gorge
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What’s inb4?

sick lantern
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"in before"
meaning
i am predicting this will/could be said or be true in the future

wicked gorge
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Ah okay

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If their gonna erase the whole eclipse plot, I want manny to talk to keener about it and he just gaslights him the whole time and denying it

torn shoal
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"nah bro thats in your head"

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thatsd be funny

wicked gorge
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In the words of Keener -Nu uh

near totem
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How in the world did the LMB put an APC inside an underground water purification plant.

sick lantern
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isn't there a door behind it

near totem
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But would the tunnels behind it be big enought that the APC would fit?

torn shoal
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also its not that big

jaunty fossil
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So uh, not sure I can talk about this here but I’m writing a division book or fan version of it. If anyone was curious

near totem
torn shoal
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i mean half of ny is under construction anyway all the time

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all big cities are under construction all the time, otherwise they fall into ruin

glad spruce
wicked gorge
glad spruce
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Cities never stop constructing

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Heck, even my city is currently under renovation to add rail lines

But that's a topic best not talked in here

glad spruce
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Also, tomorrow's the 67th Descent comm

cold bramble
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How many are there total? Or does it increase as seasons go on?

glad spruce
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Currently 72

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It's been increasing over time since Y5S1

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In last season, the total was 52

cold bramble
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So 92 might be next seasons cap potentially

glad spruce
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Maybe. We'll just have to find out next season

waxen sonnet
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More McManus build up tomorrow I suspect?

torn shoal
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why

waxen sonnet
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Because ( @glad spruce ) can correct me if Im wrong as more the expert on descent comms, the last 3 have been regarding Calvin McManus activating a Hunter Cell to carry out a high level importance classified Mission.

glad spruce
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Yes. Cuz this season, Descent comms have been going into different topics. Usually goes around 3-5 per topic

waxen sonnet
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We assume it was a build up to Heartland's plot.

torn shoal
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ah decent coms

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i got the one from this week, took me 3h

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its way too long

glad spruce
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I suppose it's all about playstyle. Usually, it takes around 40 to 60 minutes to do a Nemesis run

torn shoal
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yeah but im trying reconstructed caches

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and i didnt even got one after 3h and 16 loops

cold bramble
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Does Keener still have that scientist with him?

glad spruce
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Tchernenko? We rescued him back in Coney Island, sent him to the White House to help with the bioreactor. Got kidnapped by Black Tusk during their attack on the White House

cold bramble
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😂 can we not keep anyone safe?

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So the btsu currently has him?

glad spruce
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Yes. And so does Harlan Lloyd aka The Strategist

cold bramble
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I’ll see if ngn gotta video on it

glad spruce
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I think you're better off watching the intro cutscene for Y5S1 as it is where we find out Black Tusk kidnapped Tchernenko and Strategist

cold bramble
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Okay thanks

true fox
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Does anyone know how to answer whether they will release the additional lost audio from The Descent when repeating Nemesis?

glad spruce
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I'm sorry, lost audio?

true fox
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Sorry, communications players may have missed from previous Descent projects.

glad spruce
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Don't take it as gospel, but during the last weeks from last season, finishing the Descent project gave more than 1.

I'd suspect we'd have the same case in the last weeks of this season as well

torn shoal
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I got only 1 audio today

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There is way too many for me to farm the mode is a pain

true fox
true fox
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(😕 )

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another question...

How will this Manhunt 2.0 go?
Does anyone have a vision?

glad spruce
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We don't know yet. And we won't know until the devs share more info about what will Seasons 2.0 be about since the last update on July

gaunt ice
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2 more weeks until descent comm number 69

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nice

obsidian tundra
glad spruce
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No. Check the intro cutscene for Y5S1

obsidian tundra
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I'm surprised. I listened a com saying he did suicide in a coms

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Out of guilt

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There was no time line on the coms though

glad spruce
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He did not. He was feeling guilt over his involvement in creating Eclipse, but didn't follow through it

obsidian tundra
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My bad then

wicked gorge
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That was one of the comns before wony right?

glad spruce
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Yes

glad spruce
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Just finished gym. My recap for this week's Descent comm is gonna have to wait

sick lantern
wicked gorge
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When there’s something strange in your neighborhood

ornate gull
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Who you gonna call?

glad spruce
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New week, new Descent comm. Log 67 titled Alerted.

||The Hunter who's been communicating with Cal over the past comms is revealed to be Agent Zabala who informs him that Agent Melanie Hoskins is on 'redacted' aka Silver Creek. While Cal chews out Zabala for contacting him directly, though he's be surprised when he learned Hoskins is in Silver Creek.||

||This angers Cal as Hoskins was not supposed to know about Silver Creek and the last time he talked to her, she was in Lower Manhattan. And the other agent who was last seen in that area was Aaron Keener.||

||Agent Zabala is doubtful at first about Agent Hoskins' intentions as she did kill her sister to save the CERA camp. However, Cal deduces that if Hoskins was willing to kill her sister for strangers, then she was willing to work with Keener and fight against Cal, no doubt looking for any incriminating evidence about the Hunters||

||Therefore, Cal orders Zabala to get the Hunters roster off SHD Database to a thumb drive, and then wipe any trace of (redacted) program as he wasn't ready to activate the Hunter protocol. And the last thing he wanted is Keener getting the identities of every Hunter||

||Zabala followed through and put the roster on the thumb drive, then got ready for a meeting with fellow Agent Donovan.||

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Few interesting things in the comm. ||Agent Zabala was coughing, which is the first sign of Green Poison. Also, Cal remarks that Melanie Hoskins managed to get to Silver Creek from New York in February during a Blizzard||

wicked gorge
strange rock
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|| I'm guessing agent Zabala has appeared in the novels, never heard of him in the game||

Feels like I'm missing out on some context if I've never read the novels

sick lantern
strange rock
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||So new character?||

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Unless he's some obscure agent that's in an echo in div 1, I can't remember that name

wicked gorge
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New character

sick lantern
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got nearly a hundred pages into Recruited double checking it wasn't the agent who dies at the start of that lol

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bro is essential to the plot happening the way it does but has zero relevance in three books

ornate gull
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Do you guy have expectations that, Div3 story will be manhunt Cal and his hundred Hunter?

sick lantern
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with any luck/i suspect Hunters will be the only enemy faction consistent across all three games

ornate gull
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I hope div3 have melee weapon slot under pistol, Hunter have downed status and can use stim to revive. Hope we can have the same execution kill like hunter do in div3

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Revenge at last

torn shoal
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we already have melee, its jsut not great

glad spruce
near totem
glad spruce
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||Most likely, since Hunted talks about the blizzard that New York went through||

near totem
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|| Well it was a perfect opportunity to do such things, comms down, no patrols ect. ||

ornate gull
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Come to think of it

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Are Survival Antiviral retrieval canon?

torn shoal
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i think so ?

near totem
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I think they gave them to Kandel

ornate gull
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Im think more of where it happen in story

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Like after Amherst lab echo

torn shoal
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not much is said ingame, maybe more in the novels

ornate gull
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And definitely b4 DZ NE expansion

near totem
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I think armherst lab has almost zero purpose now, keener took that dna printer and Gordons notes

torn shoal
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it has purpose to create new antiviral

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if we got armest

ornate gull
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But we have Tchernenko note right?

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Kendall can research on the note and think up effectiveness anti viral

glad spruce
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We already have anti-virals. Broad Spectrum Anti-Virals.

Whole reason we went in Tidal Basin the first time is to recover the anti-virals that Black Tusk were trying to extract

torn shoal
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they got it back when manhunt price of power something

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no ?

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the manhunt with the 2 warhounds that were a pain

glad spruce
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We defeated Black Tusk at Tidal Basin, then Hornet and the Outcasts took over Tidal Basin, and lastly Black Tusk Tank Cursed took over Tidal Basin during Season 11 which we dealt with

torn shoal
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what was season 11 ?

glad spruce
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Reign of Fire. The one where Black Tusk attacked the White House in the end

torn shoal
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wasnt that the coney island manhunt ?

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they lured us out of dc to attack the white house while we were gone iirc

glad spruce
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I guess. But my impression is that the Coney Island Manhunt is Season 3 where we wounded Schaeffer to a coma

torn shoal
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yeah i remember, it wasnt tidal bassin it was coney island and the whole mission was finding the target but he was dead already and we get ganked by bt robots and thoses 2 warhounds that were awful to play against

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and then we come back and we fight a razorback or something

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then cinematic where lewis is killed and they get schaeffer outside the panic room with manny

glad spruce
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Yep, that's the one

torn shoal
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yeah there was no tidal bassin mission

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iirc

glad spruce
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Gotta be honest, this week's Descent comm is my favorite of Descent comms for this season

wicked gorge
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Its longer than 20 seconds so that’s a bonus

true fox
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Where is Vitaly Tchernenko?

torn shoal
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bt has him i think

true fox
wicked gorge
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He’s in the bt secret bunker probably

glad spruce
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No doubt being forced to replicate the anti-virals with the perfusion bioreactor they took as well

eternal ledge
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Why is there no D1 LFG channel?

ashen jungle
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@eternal ledge There is, you need the div1 role over in id:customize

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Also, this is the lore chat. It's only for lore.

eternal ledge
ancient mulch
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So TCTD 3 got confirmed!?

torn shoal
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a while ago yes, but no news aside from "its being worked on"

glad spruce
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And don't expect any gameplay until few years later

ornate gull
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And pray it don't end up like Heartland

torn shoal
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i shouldnt, its a big name

near totem
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What is the phoenix fall?

glad spruce
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Phoenix Fall?

sick lantern
near totem
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Was looking around on the wiki for info about Cpt Perez and somehow i ended up in phoenix fall section

glad spruce
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Well, I never heard of it, so maybe you went to a different wiki

true fox
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looks like we'll be working with Theo now

glad spruce
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Yeah, I noticed the Rogue with glasses logo in the background when the devs took a look at the seasonal progression.

Something tells me this season's story isn't gonna involve rescuing Kelso, since Theo wasn't with Keener while we were doing trials for him

ashen jungle
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"Shades of Red" is the current likely title , for those who missed it in the stream.

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Trying to think on what that could be referencing, I doubt they're continuing with the Greek Myth themes.

glad spruce
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Then again, the title for Y6S1 didn't give us indication that it'll involve themes of Greek Mythology as we only learned that through the trials

ashen jungle
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Well I mean, we kinda knew that before it started, at least partially if we were paying attention.

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Lau's codename, etc.

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Thinking on it, there is a quote about red that could be applicable here.

glad spruce
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I'm listening

ashen jungle
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The ‘pure’ red of which certain abstractionists speak does not exist. Any red is rooted in blood, glass, wine, hunters’ caps and a thousand other concrete phenomena. Otherwise we would have no feeling toward red and its relations
You can thin it out, but to me that speaks of there always being a darker side to things, which would fit in the on-going story fairly well with all the conspiracy theory stuff.

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There is also a version of that quote with the word "shades" in it.

wicked gorge
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Personally I like the idea of Red meaning sacrifice

ashen jungle
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Actually speaking of, thee's also:

Red protects itself. No color is as territorial. It stakes a claim, is on the alert against the spectrum.

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MSV dug pretty deep with some of the references during the Keener Manhunt, who knows what we'll get for this next one, but I'm hyped.

glad spruce
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Yeah, since next season is not gonna involve 4 targets, then prime target.

wicked gorge
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What’s next season gonna be about then?

gaunt ice
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getting Keener a red shade

ornate gull
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We have the Hunter list

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All left is the truth behind

sleek plover
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Gonna turn off the air conditioning on his cell

wicked gorge
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Jacobin that’s too far

wicked gorge
ornate gull
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Subaru duck?

wicked gorge
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I have a question, I saw they’re about to drop a splinter cell series on Netflix so is the division movie still in production or is it cut?

wicked gorge
# ornate gull Subaru duck?

I have no clue what that is, but I’m thinking of the giant rubber Duckie that floated in a random harbor

ornate gull
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Just hololive vtuber act like Duck

ashen jungle
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I can't believe this is actually real, but Yannick actually confirmed on the stream that the ducks found in Keener's Manhunt mission are going to be part of the lore.

wicked gorge
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Rubber duckie

ashen jungle
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"keep shooting them, Agents".

ornate gull
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Btw about div3

ashen jungle
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There's no new info, not likely to be any time soon. Don't expect it for years.

ornate gull
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Hopefully it winter

ashen jungle
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They confirmed it on the stream today: no news yet.

wicked gorge
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Rivens, is the div movie still happening or?

ashen jungle
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I mean, Jake is not a cheap actor, I hope they rework it into a series.

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you can do way more with someone who's newer, and that way you can cast Keener and Lau's VA's as their physical actors. Both are known for TV work and look a lot like them.

wicked gorge
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Okay, ik they announced it before Covid and I haven’t seen info on it in years

wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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I think they're saying that they hope it's set during Winter.

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I doubt it'll be out this July.

ornate gull
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Still wondering, why ubisoft not make expansion II for WONY yet

wicked gorge
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I haven’t really kept up with their podcast and updates due to school so what have they confirmed so far

ornate gull
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Further exploration into mid Manhattan of WONY

ashen jungle
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The new DLC actually got an accidental confirmation today, about the map.
When answering a question about zones used for Journeys and related systems, Yannick confirmed that it's a separate map from WONY's one.

wicked gorge
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I mean technically they are with Black Diamond but it’s in Brooklyn and a lot of ppl are excited to go back

cold bramble
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Wait did we get a look at some of the Brooklyn map?

sleek plover
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Spray itching powder in his pillows

torn shoal
remote ridge
torn shoal
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Lol I havent seen them at all

true fox
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Out of curiosity, are you able to give feedback on Manhunt Scouts?

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When I can play, I'll try to do it and post it on the forum channel.

glad spruce
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IIRC, they did mention some minor story spoilers for the PTS. So probably?

glad spruce
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I'm on the PTS. There's only minor spoilers, story wise. But just in case

||At the beginning, Manny calls us and tells that we're having our first mission with Keener. And since he's on house arrest in White House, we should visit him in the basement. ANNA calls us to meet Keener immediately as he's not a patient man. Since there was no side-quest to start things up, I didn't get dialogue nor a prompt to interact with Keener||

||Obviously, there's a Comms collection for Y6S2 which it is called Shades of Red. Curiously, there's a new comms collection called Virginia and it has the Descent logo||

true fox
sick lantern
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im gonna go out on a limb and say it presumably refers to the state.

glad spruce
true fox
glad spruce
true fox
sick lantern
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considering it's about 5 minutes away from DC, and in fact it is the setting of Dark Hours, I daresay it's not really that curious

true fox
sick lantern
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you are welcome.

glad spruce
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My speculation is that Virginia is ||where the Ortiz couple survived the outbreak in a bunker|| and that the comms collection ||deals with how they've been living in the months after the outbreak was unleashed||

true fox
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Thanks

floral gull
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So doing a few bounties and control points was enough to join Keener's cell?

gusty fulcrum
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And saving him from a robot dog

floral gull
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Also, why are Rogue Agents still attacking us afterwards

sick lantern
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why wouldn't they

wicked gorge
floral gull
sick lantern
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that doesn't mean every rogue ever likes him

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they're "rogues" not "organised, focused and allied"

glad spruce
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I finished the first Manhunt scout in the PTS.

||It seems like each of them comes with a briefing, comms, debriefing. Shades of Red comms are 0, so I couldn't play them||

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Also, ||Theo is our guy for the Manhunt scouts since he uses the Glasses codename.||

floral gull
sick lantern
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no for exceedingly obvious reasons

floral gull
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Is that yes? I don’t think understand

sick lantern
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“no”
“is that yes?”

cold bramble
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😂

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Any new story bits in pts? Please don’t spoil anything if there is

torn shoal
glad spruce
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||Aside from Manny briefing us to meet Keener for our first mission with him and the fact that we're working with Theo... sorry, Glasses, for the Manhunt? Not really||

cold bramble
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Lmaoo now glasses makes sense 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

glad spruce
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Obviously

cold bramble
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It genuinely didn’t pop in my mind lol

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But anyway

glad spruce
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Oh, and ||there's a flavor text from Agent Brenda Wells in The Drill AR, a named Carbine 7 AR||

true fox
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wallops sland...?

upbeat timber
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Heartland is canceled 😭

torn shoal
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its been a while

upbeat timber
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I was thinking about and and had a wtf moment

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Welp. I enjoyed the game. Wished it was officially released

wicked gorge
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So watching the new NGN video reminded me of something I was thinking about, it’s scary how sentient ANNA is, example would being her decision to revoke keener and manny’s comn access to prevent us from being sidetracked

torn shoal
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idk about sentient

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its a big thing to say about an ai that just saw a problem and fixed it

ashen jungle
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MSV are definitely going for a "she's becoming/is self-aware", direction.

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Hey chatting later about how ISAC's job is boring, make a joke about it, cutting them off. Classic media depiction of evil AI.

torn shoal
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i wouldnt say evil

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but definitely sassy

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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becoming self aware is a possibility, maybe we'll have keener forced to kill anna in the end with a tear in his eye

torn shoal
wicked gorge
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You call it potato, i call it potato

torn shoal
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sentient is very different

ashen jungle
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Yeah I'm sticking with "stereotype".
Keener would have no idea how to actually "kill" ANNA, he'd probably shoot a monitor and then assume it'd work.

torn shoal
ashen jungle
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You're putting a lot of a specific personality into Keener that he has shown no signs of before.

torn shoal
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i mean, seeing how the story is going, thats not unlikely, he went for "dark but understandable" to "bloosthirsty maniac" to "actually im 80 steps ahead and a nice guy"

ashen jungle
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He's never stated that he's a "nice guy".

torn shoal
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before wony he never shown he would commit mass murder

ashen jungle
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Uh, Lyfe, did you not play div1?

torn shoal
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no he didnt say it, but his actions did, saving civilians

torn shoal
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he actively saved people like april

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we have coms from him saving people still

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thats why the wony stuff is weird

wicked gorge
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He didn’t save April

ashen jungle
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Keener pre-the events of div1 did save civvies, but at the end of div1 he also was talking at length about how he was going to use the plague machine thingy to sell murder viruses to the highest bidder.

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Although now we know that he didn't mean to the highest bidder, but use it himself in a Movie Thanos-esque plot, which is now about the Illuminati, I think.

torn shoal
ashen jungle
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I think at this stage, the plot of Eternals makes more sense.

torn shoal
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like keener at the end if div 1 was a major threat but not senseless

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he was betrayed and wanted to make us pay

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he never said or even implied he wanted to do mass murder of civilians

ashen jungle
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I don't even know where to start, but almost everything you're saying is just, not right enough to be right

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like it's not 100% wrong, but its just so confusing that im lost.

torn shoal
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i mean i havent played div 1 in years so im sure im not getting everything right

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but thats how i saw it overal

ashen jungle
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The issue is that Keener in div1 is a different character to WONY, and each of those is a different character to the current story.

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If we found out that Keener was a clone or a twin or something, I wouldn't be shocked.

torn shoal
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well consistency isnt the thing i would use to describe division lore xd

ashen jungle
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A lot of them are quite consistent, although yeah regressive.

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A bad thing had to happen between the events of div1 and WONY to make it work, it's the issue with the nature of the kind of game we have, where the story can't ever really end.

torn shoal
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some stories make no sense for narration purpose too

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like the sister of faye

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we save her in div 1

wicked gorge
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Then died before wony

torn shoal
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and in wony she is just dead like no real backstory, they just got overrun at some point and she dead

ashen jungle
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uh Lyfe, this is all explained in WONY

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like, in detail.

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very fine pointed detail.

torn shoal
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i know what happenned, but it feels rushed

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it feels like someone changing the whole story and saying "well its like that now so deal with it"

ashen jungle
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The settlement she was in was attacked, it happens quite often in the div universe.
heck, the div1 main base is dead.

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Camp Clinton was massacred.

wicked gorge
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I haven’t looked into the comns in awhile but im pretty sure they explained it and it didn’t seem rushed

ashen jungle
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Yeah it's not rushed.

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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yeah i know, but a better narration would be appreciated, like at least a cutscene/flashback/anything

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especially for thoses who didnt play div 1, they dont know her

ashen jungle
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I know this is controversial, but I honestly wish none of this was in div2.
not lau, not her sister, not rhodes, benitez, keener. no one.

torn shoal
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yeah, that i agree

wicked gorge
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Nvm I was think of camp Hudson

torn shoal
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to reference keener its fine, but having him, twice, its really lazy

ashen jungle
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Judging by what happened to City Hall, I'd say Hudson was probably overrun.

torn shoal
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well most of ny was overun

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beside haven and few safe houses

wicked gorge
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Maybe, we really don’t know what’s happened to midtown besides a few comns

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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It's not lazy, I am 100% not calling it lazy.
I just don't like returning to the same characters for nostalgic purposes. I hate star wars because it can never get away from the Skywalkers, this feels a lot like that.
WONY itself is fine enough, we can have one DLC. But just wrap it up and give us a new thing, you can even build off the div1 story but just don't make it feel like it's another part of that game.

wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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Reminder that any discussions of leaked/datamined info is subject to bans.

torn shoal
sick lantern
wicked gorge
torn shoal
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but yeah the movies are skywalker story

sick lantern
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ohh autocorrect

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thanks

sudden mortar
wicked gorge
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I want them to bring April back into the story

torn shoal
ashen jungle
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Well since there are multiple PTS chats and this isn't the first time someone has tried to post leaked info in here, you can understand my confusion.

wicked gorge
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I just wanna know she’s alive or not

torn shoal
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like keener i get it

ashen jungle
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I never said don't bring back div1 characters.

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I said I want a new story.

torn shoal
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well, they said no

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go kill keener a third time now

wicked gorge
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They made a whole book about her journey and we got one echo that showed her meeting Schaffer so I just wanted to know if she’s still in dc or not

sudden mortar
wicked gorge
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Gotta love timing

sudden mortar
glad spruce
sick lantern
wicked gorge
sick lantern
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considering she went to DC for the purpose of warning the division about the black tusk, that ECHO is presumably her last chronological appearance
or were the BTSU scouting DC before the invasion idk

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actually they were weren’t they

glad spruce
#

I looked up the Legacy Manhunts menu in the PTS. First Rogue ||took place in October 23rd||

ashen jungle
torn shoal
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u in australia ?

wicked gorge
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What’s more dangerous than enemies that rival division agents? Lag

sudden mortar
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And Schaffer is still sleeping 💤

torn shoal
#

nappy boi

wicked gorge
#

It’s funny to think Schaffer been in a coma for 5 years while in the lore, it’s been 4 months since he was put into one

glad spruce
#

We still need him for BT's security systems. Assuming of course Nat didn't have his credentials wiped out

glad spruce
torn shoal
wicked gorge
sudden mortar
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I wonder if Schaffer will have a grudge against Keener since he killed a lot of BT soldiers on liberty island and maybe with some engagement with his rogues and BT.

wicked gorge
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Faye probably told him he’s alive since he was on board with the plan, but on the hand she didn’t, he’ll probably hate it

glad spruce
#

Which reminds me. Considering the Hunter roster in Keener's pocket, maybe that's why Black Tusk attacked Liberty Island

sudden mortar
glad spruce
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Unless Manny told him, then no

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He's on house arrest

wicked gorge
wicked gorge
sudden mortar
sudden mortar
sudden mortar
wicked gorge
sick lantern
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tchernenko met amherst at a lab in russia

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iirc one of the two in the world that still handles smallpox

wicked gorge
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Yeah us and Russia have the only strains of smallpox

sick lantern
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not that he directly was involved in creating the dollar flu as amherst did all of that stateside, but he was alongside amherst working with smallpox

wicked gorge
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Thx, I couldn’t remember if he did play a part in it or not

glad spruce
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IIRC, Vitaly worked on digitizing DNA

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Whether that's something that happened in real life, I have no idea

sick lantern
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fairly sure it is

wicked gorge
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Digitizing dna?

sick lantern
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i think i saw it in a documentary

wicked gorge
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Its a real thing

glad spruce
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Then I guess the devs did their homework

wicked gorge
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Its amazing what technology is capable of

torn shoal
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most of what is in div 1 exist in some capacity in real life

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its just heavily modified to be fun/fit in the story

lusty haven
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What’s the best division game?

sick lantern
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Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad

fast wharf
lusty haven
fast wharf
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Just play what you enjoy, they're both good anyways

lusty haven
fast wharf
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Yes

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Although online servers of division 1 is going to shutdown, a new offline server will be up

wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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Yep, and I've told them more than once this is the case, directly from MSV themselves.
Also, this is the lore channel.

surreal hearth
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I knew the cabals are involved in all of this

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We all thought it was a myth a boogeyman a very old 80s legend so why keener suddenly believe that this was the cabals doing?

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According to keener he believes that Natalya is a member of the deep state faction known as the cabals a very dangerous shadow organization that dates back in the 80s I wonder why the writers decided to include this part after years of conspiracy?

glad spruce
#

I think Warren Merchant in the Broken Dawn novel said there were elements in the US government that supported Amherst in unleashing his Green Poison as means to power

Makes me think the Cabal were in on it as well

wicked gorge
#

You said we’re more than likely getting another incursion Hawkster?

glad spruce
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I didn't say that. It's likely we might, but given the seasons 2.0 faq from 3 months ago said they're not planning for a new incursion or raid, it could be sketchy.

Maybe it could be cut content. So, unless the devs say something about it, we don't really know.

wicked gorge
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Ahhh okay, I thought you did

floral gull
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So the Illuminati is now officially in the Division universe

floral gull
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as a famous Fallout Ghoul used to say, Theres always someone behind the wheel

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The Owl room, Morovian Society, G Phillips Protocol, Kenley college, i think a lot of these things will start making sense soon

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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i sincerely hope the morovian society are never relevant

wicked gorge
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They’re most likely not gonna be relevant in the story, it was probably something for the Outcast since they had a more religious vibe, if it is related to the story they’re going for then it’ll be surprising

ashen jungle
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This is just speculation, but a lot of this extra lore stuff is coming across like breadcrumbs for div3.

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It's all down to what'll happen in the DLC, there has to be some lead in for 3 there.

cold bramble
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||thoughts on the Virginia thing?||

wicked gorge
cold bramble
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The stuff found in the pts

glad spruce
#

||Its a comms collection subset for Wallops Island incursion||

wicked gorge
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If only the pts came to xbox

ashen jungle
wicked gorge
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Ik, I can respect it not being on their due to the teams size and resources, just sucks sometimes

surreal hearth
surreal hearth
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If I remember back in the previous black Tusk comms, one of the officers mentioned powerful individuals with strings attached

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Laus actions have gained trust to shaeffer and nat without any sort of suspicion based on conspiracies

surreal hearth
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And keeners plant known as viper is involved recruited by lau but super before

untold hollow
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Anyone got answers for Scout pt 2 the second one after the bounty?

glad spruce
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That's best discussed in the PTS channel.

near totem
#

So After Bliss death, the LMBs Plan was to gather all resources they have in a underground water plant and attack our BoO with their APC?

glad spruce
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Yeah. They wanted revenge after we killed Bliss, so they figure using an APC to attack BoO is the best way to cripple the Division and the JTF

tepid ibex
glad spruce
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Limited resources

near totem
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I dont think putting all of their resources underground was a good idea

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Because the first thing the JTF wanted to do after they found out was to just bomb them

glad spruce
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What's your point?

near totem
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My point is that there are better places than underground water plant

sick lantern
sick lantern
near totem
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But in that case you still have a chance to defend it

tepid ibex
sick lantern
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go play General Assembly again and see if you notice anything

gaunt ice
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midnight thought:could Bliss have won there if he didn’t screw around

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like bro,rain fire or something

glad spruce
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You may not see it, but you can hear a helicopter leaving the area as you make your way to the UN's entrance

glad spruce
gaunt ice
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ok but genuinely what was stopping Bliss from launching an all out attack at the BoO

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when they were at their weakest

sick lantern
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he didn't want to abandon his soldiers

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also I doubt he had the firepower to like level the whole building

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his Black Hawk is equipped with 2x Hydra 70 M261 pods, that's 38 missiles total

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and I don't -think- the Hydra 70 is a particularly large rocket that would be useful against buildings

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even if he could, he would lose the UN stronghold and all his forces in it, whilst the JTF still have other camps and more forces available

sick lantern
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I have done extensive keyboard research as you can see

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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i mean the government was just gonna bomb the place anyway so. didn't work petter

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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i didn't forget, just wasn't relevant

wicked gorge
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Fair

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So out of all the agents we’ve met “not including ourselves” who do you think the most effective agent is

tepid ibex
tepid ibex
near totem
tepid ibex
# sick lantern and I don't -think- the Hydra 70 is a particularly large rocket that would be us...

It could definitely leave the BoO in shambles and disrepair. Especially if the rockets or mini gun rounds pierces through the windows.
And by the time the agents and JTF got through the auditorium of the UN building, he should've knew the stronghold was done for. With the majority of his soldiers there being dead by that point, flying to the BoO would've been the best idea for the men he had left scattered in the city. That way he could've rained hell upon the post office and flew off to regroup at another LMB camp.

sick lantern
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the post office is a pretty sturdy building i think

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and i doubt it would be so easy for him to just aim rockets through the windows

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and no way the 7.62 minigun will deal any meaningful damage to the structure

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just think, if he could've, why didn't he earlier

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when the JTF were much weaker

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why was the tactical first choice to run away

tepid ibex
ornate gull
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He can evacuated from UN building, but he so pissed that Keener double stabbed double cross him so he make his final stand against the JTF and Division

wicked gorge
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Maybe if he kept his head clear, he’ll survive and probably led the water plant company and we would of killed him there, but i respect his decision to fight with his soldiers instead of running

sleek plover
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He should have survived, and paraded before the civs he oppressed

ornate gull
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He died with explosion

sick lantern
ornate gull
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Im alway want to RP as psychopath Agent

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Killimg any hostile faction with extreme prejudice

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Such as "fanning" every shotgun shell at them

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The same with use flamethrower against Cleaner

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Hehehe... good riddle

sick lantern
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we sincerely do not need any more dark and edgy roleplayers, I guarantee you we’ve seen enough of those in the past

ornate gull
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Very well

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Btw something make me wonder

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Are Keener use someone else watches?

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Div1 missing 1st wave Agent watches retrieval have Keener watches in it

sick lantern
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he does seem like the kind of guy to do that just to make himself slightly less traceable

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my guess
after all the other LMB missions, he saw the way the winds were blowing and ditched his at his safe house before the UN assault, just to make it harder to follow the scent
all goes well he can just go back and get it later, or if he leaves, he probably had multiple spares

cold bramble
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Were there any reports of his whereabouts and activities between end of div 1 and wony? Was he in Brooklyn before wony maybe?

sick lantern
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after General Assembly he went to WSP, did
something i guess idk it wasn’t stated
then he left Manhattan

cold bramble
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Ahh okay

glad spruce
#

Tomorrow's the 68th Descent comm

wicked gorge
wicked gorge
cold bramble
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thanks

wicked gorge
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Np

ornate gull
#

Aren't faction original truce purpose is to hunt down keener?

glad spruce
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Yes. But when Keener escaped Manhattan and Division started converging in WSP, they decided to put their differences and take arms against the Division

ornate gull
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I see

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Wait...

glad spruce
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Oh god

ornate gull
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Aren't they already truce since UG?

sick lantern
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no

glad spruce
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No. The truce happened during the events of WSP.

I doubt the enemy factions in New York Underground even agreed to a truce. The audio logs in there a number of people in those factions and an egotistical Rogue Agent

ornate gull
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The tutorial

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Riker suspects the supplier as Division

glad spruce
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Yeah, I'm aware that. Technically, a rogue agent

ornate gull
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One thing i don't understand

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We retrieved missing Agent watches

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But no retrieved decrease Agent Watches

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Are those watches become pieces of junk if Agent died?

sick lantern
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there aren't that many, so they probably didn't bother to include an animation for it

wicked gorge
# ornate gull One thing i don't understand

Realistically, agents executed by rogues are most likely getting stripped clean of items and tech, and maybe some hunters locate deceased agents to reacquire their tech before being stolen

ornate gull
#

What about those 1st wave died in LZ of NYC?

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Their watches still in their wrist

wicked gorge
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Probably cause the DZ is considered no man land, might explain why ISAC is somewhat disruptive in the dz

sick lantern
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you cannot find a single agent corpse in Div 1's DZ, I'm quite sure.

wicked gorge
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I’ve found a couple

sick lantern
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(outside of Survival ofc, where Hunters have already ninja'd them all)

sick lantern
wicked gorge
ornate gull
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If you do missing person side quest, you will come across echo of 3 division agent died from Riker skirmishes and 1 agent died after avenging those 3

wicked gorge
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The one i really remember is the one around dz02 extraction

sick lantern
ornate gull
#

As well 2 in Time Square subway

sick lantern
tall prism
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So what's the lore on the frozen area in div 1

sick lantern
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like realistically, the agent probably did recover the watches, just pretend they did it offscreen

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

wicked gorge
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The reason agents don’t get stripped of their watches mean two things, 1 being the most likely, they didn’t consider it, or two, since ISAC is monitoring our vitals, when we’re confirmed deceased it locks the user out of the system and makes it useless until rebooted

wicked gorge
tall prism
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Yeah. What the lore on thst area? Just a blizzard after main game or quarantine zone hit by a constant storm

sick lantern
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I don't really think a natural phenomenon needs lore.

tall prism
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True

wicked gorge
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Basically anti viral meds were located in the dz and we need to extract them, however Mother Nature said hey let’s make it interesting

tall prism
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Okay 👍 why are hunters out there though?

ornate gull
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Likely to be trial

tall prism
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Ahhh

sick lantern
wicked gorge
tall prism
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Thst makes sense

sick lantern
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if you don't believe in coincidences, you can chalk the entire occasion up to a conspiracy imo

wicked gorge
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But thats just a theory

ornate gull
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So he ask for Rogue can still use Tech

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But that also mean Hunter Program will activated

wicked gorge
sick lantern
#

but in terms of Survival, specifically, we don't have a concrete answer on why that was Hunters' first appearance

ornate gull
#

Hunter in Survival probably being given trial by Manus

wicked gorge
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The answer is they were a badass and terrifying concept to challenge an agent with similar moves and tech to it, lore wise we dont have much, maybe Descent will explain it

ornate gull
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And a bit stupid too

wicked gorge
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Wdym stupid ?

ornate gull
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Just gameplay feature

wicked gorge
#

Also the break into a pharmacy makes a good question, what happens if an agent makes a decision like that in a group and they’re flagged as rogue

wicked gorge
sick lantern
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Division agents: trained in looting, procurement, resource gathering etc
Division agent: does exactly that:
ISAC: "sounds rogue to me"

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it's so dumb-

little pollen
#

is there any offical timespan across the time it took for the agent to arrive to upper Manhattan, do all of the missions, and then the underground and survival DLC?

wicked gorge
#

Yeah but actions like that, im more curious if that agent can be reinstated

sick lantern
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based on what the JTF guy at Camp Hudson says, arriving in Manhattan- completing Lincoln Tunnel Checkpoint takes less than a day for example

little pollen
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noted, thanks!

ornate gull
#

Still thinking when will ubisoft make prequel Division

sick lantern
ornate gull
#

We all want to see what happen in 1st wave

wicked gorge
#

Resurgence is still a thing?

sick lantern
#

sadly

wicked gorge
ornate gull
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The beginning

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When 1st wave activated

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And deploy in NYC

wicked gorge
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Can you teach me how to put my socks on right?

ornate gull
#

@tulip root Deploy Air Burst Seeker Mine

wicked gorge
#

That is the best comment ever Mayao

wicked gorge
near totem
#

I would like to see division trying to do their job while NY is getting more wild

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With all those riots, chaos and everything

waxen sonnet
wicked gorge
wicked gorge
fast wharf
ornate gull
#

When National Guard and Military fail to maintain order

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Division Agent get activated

ornate gull
near totem
glad spruce
#

This week's Descent comm, number 68. Titled Mutated

||Donovan Tower talks to Harlan Lloyd about the situation he and his team are having in the lab. They got infected with a mutated form of Green Poison and hoped that Harlan could help them out with medkits or anything. However Harlan tells them they don't have anything to spare nor any way to give them supplies that after the outbreak in the Detention Center, what happened in Roosevelt Island, and CERA being abandoned. ||

||Harlan apologizes and hopes that Donovan and his team figure something out in the lab. Donovan was infected as he can be heard coughing||

sick lantern
#

familial relation? 🤔

glad spruce
#

Possibly, but I think Tower and Towers are different surnames lol

near totem
glad spruce
# near totem ||Who is Donovan Tower?||

||An agent that Zabala mentioned in the last comm. Most likely their story would've played out in Heartland prior to its cancellation||

I think its pretty clear this season's Descent comms are all about what could've been in Heartland

wicked gorge
#

Harlan Lloyd is the strategist right? I remember the name but not the character

sick lantern
near totem
gaunt ice
#

that guy was goofy af

#

“WE HAVE THE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH,AND WE’RE GONNA USE IT”
same guy 5 minutes later “WAITWAITWAIT ILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING”

near totem
#

Is central park and other mass morgues still contaminated?

gaunt ice
#

as someone who knows next to nothing about virology and how virus spreads,probably still contaminated

#

the virus didn't need a host to last given that they were on bills for a while

#

when the body dies and decomposes it shouldn't affect the virus that much

#

its also why the cleaners had to disintegrate bodies to begin with

#

then we have to consider how long does it take for the body to decompose,can be anywhere between 3 weeks to a few years depending on climate

#

and there are also a lot of other stuff mixed in the mass graves that even when the green poison died down its still not a good idea to approach them without protection

ornate gull
#

Also it was Winter in NYC

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So decompose process was longer abit

gaunt ice
#

it ended shortly after,then there was a storm there

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it'd change stuff quite dramatically

#

for one those corpses are probably a bit more scattered now

#

those bodies are also not in a coffin anymore which would also affect their decay process

ornate gull
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Plus body bag too

gaunt ice
#

true but whatever is left in the bag rn is hazardous

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tho i think as long as you dont open them it should be fine

#

in div2 we come across some sort of mass grave here n there

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without the mask mind you

ornate gull
#

Well div2 setting 6 month after NYC

gaunt ice
#

so its probably safe to a degree,or separated parts aren't as poisonous

#

well its summer in DC rn

ornate gull
#

Most of Amherst virus are burn out

gaunt ice
#

i doubt it tbh

#

according to the recent descent logs the virus is still around,it even mutated

#

its used as a plot point around when Cal started activating his hunters

gaunt ice
#

also we're close to descent log 69,nice

ornate gull
#

By this point

gaunt ice
#

anyway the Strategist specifically mentions events like the Roosevelt island riot and CERA being dumped

#

so its safe to say the virus is still out there

ornate gull
#

Green Poison are catching up with Green Flu

gaunt ice
#

its mostly a null threat now because we found Vitaly and his machine

#

even when Black Tusk took both of them they would also be making vaccines to gain more leverage over the people

#

"join us we have food,shelter,and also a vaccine for green flu"

#

something along those lines

gaunt ice
ornate gull
#

Green Flu mutated fast

#

So making antidotes or Vaccine is hard

gaunt ice
#

you know they're just different names for the same virus right

ornate gull
#

No

#

Green Flu is virus from L4D

gaunt ice
#

o h

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ok my bad i got the name wrong

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well we ain't a zombie shooter so its cool for now

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cuz they're both green and had many names so i forgor

ornate gull
#

Good thing Green Poison have burn out period and it slowly mutated

#

I mean, even when Green Poison have mutated, they still have limitation of it original form

gaunt ice
#

good thing its not spreading through air

ornate gull
#

And the concept of Heartland Green Poison is interesting

#

Less lethal and not much contagious in Day

#

But Lethal and Contagious in Night

glad spruce
wicked gorge
# gaunt ice i doubt it tbh

Not really, by the time the division 2 takes place, most of the virus has been burnt out and died, minus factions like the outcast with asymptomatic people and spreading the virus, but your probably right about the virus being out their due to both the black tusk and division securing samples of it

gaunt ice
#

i meant that i doubt the green virus is completely gone

wicked gorge
gaunt ice
#

its just not an immediate problem rn

wicked gorge
#

Until the antivirals are destroyed

near totem
#

I think the hardest factions to kill out will be the Cleaners and the Outcast. Both of them are almost like a cult

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And looking at the other factions, BT, LMB, True sons- kill their leaders and the people gonna leave, especially if the leader is somebody like Bliss or Ridgeway

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Rikers, the Hyenas and the rioters are just criminals, they will always join a more powerfull gang

ornate gull
wicked gorge
# ornate gull Hang on, If host still alive, Virus won't burn out?

Im not too sure, but the game shows the outcast active for months before main game took place and use biological warfare tactics such as infecting puppies with green poison, infecting ppl, Shaw was asymptomatic so her body was able to counter the virus yet still allowed her to spread it

#

Logical standpoint would be the virus would eventually die in the body but due to the amount of people she could infect would easily allow her to contract the virus so endless cycle I guess

ornate gull
#

Make sense

#

If virus can't feed on asymptomatic body, it will eventually starve

wicked gorge
#

Im not a virologist so I don’t have a clue how it’ll actually work but she’s somewhat immune and can still spread the virus

ornate gull
#

She carry the virus

#

And since green poison only infected via touch

wicked gorge
#

Once the virus dies, she just needs contaminated blood or sample which seems more interesting since Lloyd seems to be working as a scientist researching green poison

wicked gorge
#

But yes she carries the virus

wicked gorge
# near totem I think the hardest factions to kill out will be the Cleaners and the Outcast. ...

Depends on the organization of the paramilitary group, after bliss left the UN building we basically killed his coc and then killed bliss so we basically crippled the LMB command structure, the True Sons didn’t seem to have that type of command structure and follow a warlord, BT is a little more complicated since we haven’t killed or damaged their coc, if anything we’ve been damaging one of their specialist units.

ornate gull
#

And unlike BT, LMB was left behind by government. So their equipment are very stretchy as well manpower are either being Civilians conscripts or JTF defectors

#

BT have supply line and personal transfer

wicked gorge
#

Not to mention that the LMB did resurface after their coc and CO was killed, they still maintained they’re discipline and control but were basically wiped out after the falcon lost, as long as they can reform their coc, they’re basically like cockroaches till they lack numbers

ornate gull
#

Wasn't Lau also mention during Falcon Lost that LMB are more like Rioter and Riker?

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They are like big Echelon with it own Commander

wicked gorge
#

I don’t think so

raven dew
#

I would absolutely love a novel or two following Lau before during and after Div 1 to fill in some gaps

wicked gorge
#

Before div 1 would be civi life, during would be the story of div 1, and after would be the sorry between div 1 and wony

ashen jungle
#

I think what they're talking about is the initial outbreak and maybe the activation of the Agents.
As we were part of the 2nd Wave, there was a whole story that played out before we even showed up.

true fox
#

guys... Paradise Lost set before or after Puppeteers?

echo turret
#

After

glad spruce
waxen sonnet
glad spruce
#

Yep

true fox
#

Thanks

glad spruce
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No problem

ornate gull
#

I wonder what mid Manhattan look like in Div2

wicked gorge
#

It’s probably a mix of control and instability

#

We can see that through the attack on the hells kitchen settlement

sick lantern
#

one day they'll give us a picture of that place that supposedly exists. or even name it.

near totem
#

I think it looks like an active warzone

wicked gorge
sick lantern
#

well that's in brooklyn

wicked gorge
#

Well they may throw us a bone and say what’s going on in manhattan

near totem
wicked gorge
near totem
#

Now im even more excited for that dlc

ornate gull
#

And hope we can see Post Office BoO too

#

Wanna see how devastated Keener attack on it

#

And hope some raid mission structure like Power Plant, Lexington Party Building, Napalm Produce Site, Russian Consulate,..... either being repurposed or abandoned

wicked gorge
#

Keener didn’t attack the post office, just the boo in lower manhattan

cold bramble
#

Weird question but do we know what Staff Sgt Wade was doing with the scavenger dude in the Viewpoint museum?

I just noticed it the last 5 times replaying the mission for dailies

gaunt ice
#

most probably a bug

#

i do remember it being a true sons grunt

cold bramble
#

I'll replay and send an SS

Don't think it's a bug since I recently verified my game files on steam

glad spruce
#

I do remember in the beta, it was a True Sons soldier beside Wade

gaunt ice
cold bramble
#

Ah
Interesting

wicked gorge
#

5 years and haven’t changed it so it means something

gaunt ice
#

its too minor so eh

#

if its intentional then we dont know whats it for rn

sudden mortar
ornate gull
#

Im thinking

#

Resistance and WSP Div2 when

patent narwhal
#

I wanna say sometime in year 1 or 2

near totem
#

Is it possible to play tennis or baseball using seeker mines?

glad spruce
#

Only if they don't have explosives in them

cold bramble
#

I feel like the hyenas would be dumb enough to try something like that 😂

raven dew
#

lawn bowling perhaps as well

tepid ibex
glad spruce
#

He's not a friend. But more of a convenient ally for the time being

marble dawn
#

My virtual hand still feels violated from that handshake

glad spruce
#

Uh huh

ashen jungle
#

I'm like 60% sure that they're either going to a) handwave the attack away by not talking about it, or b) pretend that it was somehow a good-guy thing to do.

glad spruce
#

What I don't know is why people act like Keener is worse than Natalya/Calvin

ashen jungle
#

The attempted genocide on Manhattan doesn't help matters.

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Plus ya know, crypto bro. He has it coming.

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Yeah that word is blocked for people on here, you can probably guess why.
Either way, was a joke, but I genuinely do dislike those people so I don't mind if they use it as a justification.

glad spruce
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Understood

ashen jungle
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I guess I'll never know now if I was right about Seasonal Characters being stand-ins for new Keener Recruits, but if I am, I'm curious how they'll replace it next Season, they'd need to add them in some way.

torn shoal
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prob just some lore saying "x rogue did this now get to collect intel"

ashen jungle
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A couple of lines from ANNA about bodies we find during the 14 Manhunt build-up targets would be fine.

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Although interacting with a stand-in one of them could be fun. Just dress them in the patch-work fashion that most player-Agents go for and it could be a fun underhanded reference.

waxen sonnet
torn shoal
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several times too

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i wonder why nat/cal dont use chem weapon

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or any mass destruction weapon

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they def have the means

glad spruce
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From Ellis memos, its clear that Nat tried to prod him into giving her the codes for the nuclear arsenal

waxen sonnet
torn shoal
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nukes are flashy but not really effective if you wanna gain control of the place

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since radiation is a thing

waxen sonnet
torn shoal
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yeah, thats for sure, but nat goal is to control the us, not nuke it

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so releasing any pathogen like keener tried to do is def a way

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to get rid of any agent like keener did on ny

wicked gorge
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Nukes are more a last resort

torn shoal
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yeah so nat doesnt need them

wicked gorge
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Okay so I got hit by a hurricane hard so I’ve been out of it, I miss any lore important issues

torn shoal
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yes keener is good guy now

ashen jungle
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Keener's a good guy in the same way that some people genuinely believe Thanos was in the right.

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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Yeah somehow people irl will say without trolling that thanks was in the right

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Thoses people are lost

near totem
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I wonder if Keener realised what he has done atleast once

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If he got hit with a realisation that there is something wrong with him

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Because i dont belive he is always "im doing the necessary evil "

sudden mortar
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After hearing the comms of the last weeks of descent, ||I wonder if the eclipse virus is a modified version of the green poison after it killed those MC Manus agents in silver creek||

glad spruce
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Possible. But given how ||deadly the Green Poison was in Silver Creek, I'm not sure Keener dared to venture there||

gaunt ice
glad spruce
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In fairness, Amherst unleashed his Green Poison to the world just to make a point

gaunt ice
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"the division is serving a flawed government"
"hell yea brother"
"i will kill innocent people and nuke downtown Manhattan"

cold bramble
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New comms this week?

late void
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Wonder what thanos would have done when the universe populations just rebuilt themselves after a few generations. It's not like populations start out too high, they just grow until they hit a limit.

torn shoal
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which is stupid too but thats another kind of stupid

glad spruce
torn shoal
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its a common rethoric from racists irl, they say overpop to mean "too much black people"

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you can see people like elon musk saying there is an overpop problem and in the same breath will say white people need to have more kids

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so yeah, its a very heavy topic

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not sure we can talk a lot about that here

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when the theory was first introduced, slavery was still a thing, and they didnt account for improvement of life/work/agriculture/etc

sick lantern
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he wanted to “reset” humanity to a point where we haven’t surpassed natural selection entirely

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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i remember it differently

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but i havent played or looked at div 1 lore in years so i might be way off

wicked gorge
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Amherst was a eco terrorist so his whole reason for green poison was to thin the population to heal the world

ornate gull
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Amherst talk about help mother nature improve her creation "Small Pox" to keep Human populations in check

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Thus he coded Green Poison

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As well he want to get rid of greed

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That why he imprinted green poison on Dollar bills as irony way to die by greed

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Question, are White Tusk ever mention or make appearances in story progress yet?
Do D.C Agent have knowledge about LMB and aware White Tusk as LMB recruit?

glad spruce
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In game, no. But I do recall they are mentioned in the Hunted novel

sudden mortar
wicked gorge
waxen sonnet
glad spruce
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Yeah, given how Green Poison's capabilities died out over time. I can't imagine how lethal Eclipse must be unless it was using samples from the mutated Green Poison nestled in Silver Creek.

near totem
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Is it explained how is our watch and brick powered?

wicked gorge
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Our ISAC lens use solar power I think

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I dont remember where I read it but I think it’s mentioned in the novel, your gonna want a professional to answer that

sick lantern
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^

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^

near totem
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So as long we are alive and move they are powered?

wicked gorge
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Pretty much

near totem
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A smart solution to the power problem

waxen sonnet
wicked gorge
waxen sonnet
obsidian tundra
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looking at Matrix and human as batterie

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This is by the way one of the worse rentability energy production

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Aside from the fact you need to run a virtual world, big mammal got one of the worse energy return

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You need a lot of food before having a grown adulte

ashen jungle
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IIRC the original idea in The Matrix was to use human brains as part of a CPU type-system, brainpower for processing I suppose you could say.
but that's hard to get across and movie studios are dumb so, batteries it is!

torn shoal
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Also the goal of matrix wasnt to say human are batteries but that you are fighting the system disguised as normal people

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It's an allegory

sleek plover
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Matrix is a great true sons anti isac propaganda material if u ask me.

glad spruce
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Since I have a gym session around the time the maintenance finishes (assuming it doesn't get extended lo), this week's Descent comm summary is gonna be a bit late

torn shoal
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How dare you have a life

glad spruce
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😛

gaunt ice
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descent comm 69

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nice

glad spruce
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I expect a lot of nice comments once I post the summary lol

spare arrow
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nice

torn shoal
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nice

near totem
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nice

gaunt ice
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nice

wicked gorge
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Nice

raven raptor
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Nice

sour perch
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Nice

true fox
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nice😅

wicked gorge
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We built this community and im proud of it

glad spruce
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New week, new Descent comm. Log 69 (nice) titled NBC.

||Donovan Tower takes drastic measures in combating the mutated Green Poison he's infected with the help of a doctor called Liam Cain. Donovan is not liking being a guinea pig for the doctor, but the regular antivirals is useless against the mutated virus, and there was too little time to perfect the broad-spectrum as well.||

||Donovan accepts his predicament, though he warns Cain that he'll kill him slowly if even one of his people die from his research. Cain needs live viral chimera samples to make a cure. Donovan allows the doctor to continue his research and allowing himself and his team to be his guinea pigs. Though Donovan warns Cain that if he screws it up, he'll unleash the ''Wolf''||

ornate gull
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I been thinking

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What gonna happen if Riker/Cleaner move to DC

torn shoal
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they did for some manhunts

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but they didnt stay, and they wont, devs want to have faction territories more or less separated

ornate gull
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If they shift or expand territory

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Riker conflict with True Son/Hyenas

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Cleaner conflict with Outcast with extreme prejudice

torn shoal
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they wont, riker dont want to control dc, they want to hurt people, not rule the country

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few factions want to actually fight, they mostly care about terrirtory control and their ideologies

ornate gull
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Riker i say can fit in dc

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Assuming they can find more escape prisoner

glad spruce
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Rikers are named that way because they escape from a prison called Rikers Island.

And given they were in NY during the early months of the outbreak and beyond, I doubt they'd ever wanna leave the city

torn shoal
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yeah, also we forget about it most of the time but there arent enless waves of them in lore, only in game

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idk the size of rikers ilsand but im sure they cant really take over ny

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let alone dc or the rest of the country

glad spruce
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I checked on wikipedia. Rikers Island is 413-acres

torn shoal
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i mean more like the prison capacity

glad spruce
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Ah

torn shoal
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like its not millions, only thousands tops

glad spruce
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Yeah, the island accommodates up to 15k detainees

wicked gorge
torn shoal
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and remember they werent spared by the virus either

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hyenas are small scale gangsters, no match for rikers

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they only exist cause black tusk used to supply them with guns

glad spruce
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Lore wise, I'd assume there were people who joined the Rikers after they broke out from prison cuz they wanna be as hardcore as them and unleash chaos

torn shoal
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yeah but not that many, rikers are really hating cops hard, and are in prison for long sentences, not light stuff

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at least thats the idea in lore, in reality its really not that bad

glad spruce
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Yeah

wicked gorge
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After div 1, ppl probably joined the rikers out of desperation

tepid ibex
mint citrus
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Yep!

wicked gorge
ornate gull
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Btw

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Incursion are canon right?

glad spruce
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Yes

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The events of all the incursions in Div 1 and Paradise Lost in Div 2 did happen

near totem
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I hope more factions from the books appear ingame

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Freighties and roamers would be cool

wicked gorge
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The freighties and roamers are a breathe of fresh air imo, it gets tiring seeing paramilitary and regular rioters in apocalypse games

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If anything, I would love to see more religious groups or cults in the universe

fast wharf
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I mean they worship and even kill for fun

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While outcasts just hates everyone who isolated them

ashen jungle
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Hyena's: absolutely not.
Outcasts: honestly, their whole thing is just revenge. Seems kind of redundant as the people responsible are all very much dead, but yeah: revenge.

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I think the idea behind a "religious fanatics" faction here is that they're more like, uh what's a modern reference. Far Cry 5's bad guys.

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The thing is, groups like that can be quite controversial. It's much easier to just go the PMC route. No one likes PMC's. We already have 2 in div lore already and no one complains about that.

wicked gorge
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Hyenas are just street gangs that somehow achieved peace

wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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They would be 10x more threatening if they didn't use "peggies" as a nickname.

wicked gorge
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Well its a acronym but yeah

ashen jungle
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Okay I'll bite, what is peggie an acronym for?

wicked gorge
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Well the cult is called Project at Eden’s Gate, PEG

ashen jungle
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That's more tortured than you are in that one chapter.

wicked gorge
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Besides being called Peggie’s they don’t actually have a name

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Wdym

ashen jungle
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Nvm, not worth the effort.
Honestly, we know why they don't have an actual name. Although "Project at Eden's Gate" is kind of their name if you go by the short-film they made about it.

wicked gorge
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They adopted the nickname from the locals if im right from the lore, it’s been awhile since I watched the short film

ashen jungle
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Veering back to div2, I doubt we'll get an actual religious cult enemy faction at any point. If we do, it'll be non-demoninational as much as possible.

wicked gorge
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Ik we wouldn’t get anything like it cause of controversy but still like that would be so interesting

ornate gull
wicked gorge
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More organized than rioters less organized than rikers

ornate gull
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Riker in beginning are splinter gang

wicked gorge
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Not necessarily

ornate gull
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Until being lease together by Barett

wicked gorge
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I think they were already structured a bit since they didn’t escape rikers until a few weeks after the outbreak

ornate gull
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Yeah they have

ashen jungle
ornate gull
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But like most convicts

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They still more of gang per gang

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Until 1 put them all in 1

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You can clearly see what happen to LMB

wicked gorge
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I hate autocorrect

ornate gull
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After Bliss death, the PMC split into smaller faction/gang

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They still more discipline than riker but still war at each other

wicked gorge
ornate gull
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Well they in maximun security prison for reason thou

ashen jungle
wicked gorge
wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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And also realising that MSV are bigger fans of The Warriors than I thought.

wicked gorge
ornate gull
wicked gorge
ashen jungle
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In your defence, it's from 1979.

wicked gorge
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Yeah anything under 2000s and not involved in history then ill probably wont know

ashen jungle
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It still holds up.
I do hope we eventually see div2 on the screen somewhere. Movie or show, as long as it gets made.
The lore lends itself well to side-stories, it wouldn't even need to copy the plot we have.

wicked gorge
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They could make an animated show like they’re doing with splinter cell

ashen jungle
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I know you mean that it's probably going to go for realism, but I just pictured div2 in DBZ's style and honestly, I'm not 100% against it.

wicked gorge
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Im not a big anime fan but honestly, the division anime trailers do look great so

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Idk if it’s actually counted as anime style I count it as that

ornate gull
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I been wondering

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If Hunter originally a failsafe of SHD Agent

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Are there failsafe for Hunter?

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If they go against what they intended created purpose

wicked gorge
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I don’t think hunters have a failsafe and are more brainwashed to an extent

glad spruce
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So, someone remind me why Black Tusk were in the Capitol Building for the invaded stronghold?

I know in DUA, they were securing Hyena stockpiles they supplied to the faction. And in Roosevelt Island, they were securing Green Poison samples for an unknown reason

fast wharf
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Y'know

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Confidential info

gaunt ice
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nothing too deep

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we can speculate that they were gathering green poison samples for either researching a cure to gain leverage(which would connect with the Pentagon plot of them trying to get the reactor), or they were planning on weaponizing it like what they were going to do with dc62

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at the point where capitol invaded happened black tusk lost most of their foothold on DC iirc

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because the game still wants you to do DUA>Roosevelt>capitol

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so that looks like a desperate offensive attempt

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right after they got the BSAV they immediately bolted out of there

glad spruce
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Yeah, that's fair

near totem
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Are there female hunters?

glad spruce
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Yes. Bridgette "Viper" Douglas is one herself.

However, all Hunters in the game so far have only male models. But I wouldn't be surprised if they add female Hunters in the future

ornate gull
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I find it hypocrite

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Cal mark every agent as rogue regardless they're rogue or not when he use Hunter for power

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Yet he himself and Hunter already a Rogue and Traitor

glad spruce
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Thank you, captain obvious

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We all know the Hunters have been used by Cal often as his assassins against any agents he personally considers rogue and for power

ornate gull
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btw

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How many Hunter we killed so far?

glad spruce
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Personally, I don't count Hunters in Countdown or in Open World. And since Hunted novel mentions that one Hunter died during the events of Div 1 survival, I'd say around 4.

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Survival Hunter, Deceit (Coney Island Manhunt), The Recruiter, and Freedom (Kelso Manhunt)

torn shoal
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tho ingame they always use the same model

glad spruce
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10 dollars says that we'll get female Hunter models in Brooklyn DLC.

torn shoal
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its immoral as much as you want, but remember isac and the law in general doesnt care about morality, it only care about legality

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immoral law arent rare

ornate gull
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Doesn't matter

torn shoal
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it does tho

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thats the entire way of saying someone is rogue

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they broke the rules

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like in some audio we learned that an agent was flaged rogue for breaking intoa pharmacy and taking some meds

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so it does matter

glad spruce
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McManus got pissed that ISAC flagged one of his agents as rogue and disabled her SHD Tech. Claire Ortiz added a workaround that allowed Rogues in keeping access of their SHD tech

torn shoal
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yeah thats the lore explanation for rogue having skills online

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but it also shows that isac consider you rogue if you dont follow the law

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even if you have tons of extrajudicial power with directive 51

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that means laws are still in effect, at least for isac and thats what trigger the rogue status or not

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thats also what trigger isac authorising you to kill someone

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cause they broke the law = they are a valid target

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we had no jurisdiction to kill ellis in white oak cause of that

odd kindle
torn shoal
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thats why faye did it as rogue, cause she would have been rogue anyway

odd kindle
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division 2 only has male hunters

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its over 💀

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(for legal reasons this is a joke)

torn shoal
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nobody is male until i see them stripping with a pole dance

odd kindle
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NO ONE HERE IS SOFT :D

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mesa is happy

glad spruce
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Again, 10 dollars say that Female Hunter models are gonna be added in Brooklyn DLC

torn shoal
odd kindle
torn shoal
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hope the dlc is banger

odd kindle
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i think it wasn't on purpose

torn shoal
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i mean hunters were supposed to feel like a threat never seen before

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so being massively stocked does help

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brb im gonna do some sport to become massively stock

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not related to becoming a hunter, trust me

near totem
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I think they just used steroids

torn shoal
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nah