td2-general-chat

[minor spruce]

Did anyone else have server restart and now can't login?

[sour void]

Considering that a hack like ||McManus|| is involved, it's not surprising.

[loud sierra]

mcmanus gave better tech to hunters

[sour void]

While also screwing us over.

[loud sierra]

all we get was military grade stuff, Military as in lowest bidder

god i miss beta div 1 rogue system...

Just shoot to go rogue...

[sour void]

Still, makes you wonder why we can't just rip out the tech from the remains of the thousands or so hunters that we farmed

[loud sierra]

everyone was watching their backs every 20 seconds

no one trusted each other

[deft talon]

random strongholds or?

[loud sierra]

it was truly a darkzone

[sour void]

Focus on the ones listed in your priority objectives. You can knock out two birds with one stone.

If you don't get a Stronghold as an objective, reroll.

[loud sierra]

yall had to see the darkzone in the past

A rogue team always had atleast 1 nuke build
1 shot sticky bomb , when you least suspect something...
BOOM
Your whole squad is dead

everyone put their loot on the rope one by one, and kept distance. good times

[unique bramble]

Bro some special named NPCs have some weird AI when they have like a scripted event. My team managed to kill ducky, but I had almost the same problem on glasses Manhunt with Bichon. About the game telling you to do something or telling the NPC to do something and then the NPC just breaks or the mechanic itself to kill him breaks.

[loud sierra]

div 2 scripted bosses are quite buggy tbf

i loved div 1 bosses instead, they were logical but hard af

legendary mode LMB soldiers going full commando melee into quick scope

doing 6 rolls in a row and dodging bullets

rolls behind the d3 build into a 1 hit melee, dude was a ninja

[unique bramble]

But their AI was weird as well. I even have a clip of a rogue agent just swimming in the air and going through a wall. 😂

[loud sierra]

the agents are...special

the medics though-

[deft talon]

ran out of rerolls 😦

[loud sierra]

mf kept reviving the tank, and my team didnt focus on them

[deft talon]

should i aim till i get stronghold? @sour void

[loud sierra]

like please...for the love of god...KILL THE MEDIC

Not revive but what was it

that thingie where they go close and heal fully

[unique bramble]

US health insurance wouldn't ike that

[loud sierra]

medkit?

[loud sierra]

lmao

i still remember the madison field hospital legendary mission...hard as hell

[silent nymph]

also what's a better way to get xp now? cause i finally reached leverl 100 after doing 3 stronghold's

[loud sierra]

a medic who spams support station and medkit AND FIRST AID DIV TECH

heals 7 armour bar in 1 second

[deft talon]

Strongholds are long activities right?

[silent nymph]

yes

[loud sierra]

yes, strongholds are longer than normal missions

think of it as mini incursions

[silent nymph]

but they give like 5,5k xp from them

if your not above 100

cause once you reach level 100 on the battle pass the amount of xp your getting is meager

[deft talon]

noo i asked if they are targeted in the long

also dificulty increase pass exp?

[silent nymph]

idk here but maybe it does

[kind veldt]

It does increase a bit

You can check when choosing the difficulty

[loud sierra]

your pfp, i remember watching that video like 10 years ago
Or 5? i dont remember

[deft talon]

ty

[tender wave]

It increases the base season xp but not the bonus you get as a priority target afaik

[deft talon]

ty

[kind veldt]

Cat shit one? It has been ages since they released one animation

[loud sierra]

yeah, still remember it in the back of my head

[sterile scaffold]

I can't believe Kelso really said it's morbin time

[kindred stream]

So is BFB meant to be $60??? Or is there another way to buy it im just not seeing on psn store

cuz so far the only way is buying gold edition and ultimate edition div2 in store but it comes out in 20 days

[iron gust]

15 but you can't buy it rn

[kindred stream]

Thats annoying. Least its only 15.

[tender wave]

Think they said 15€ so might be more in USD. Dollar isn't so strong recently...

[kindred stream]

pain.

if its 15 euro itll probably be $20 or so

[iron gust]

15€ includes tax, doesn't the ubi store and such add tax on top for US customers?

[kindred stream]

Dont know im on psn. I,do tbuy through them

if i have to buy from some outside source i just wont play the game lol.

[iron gust]

I would imagine once you can buy it on ubi store you'll be able to buy it on PSN
But there will be a dlc only version for all of us warlords owners

[languid cradle]

So, I forgot how the Birdie's Quick Fix works, can someone tell me?

[dry gate]

I really hope they make Perfect Glass Cannon to be 30% / 45%.. this really makes sense to me.. every other perfect talent makes it better.. 30%/60% on Perfect Glass is not really beneficial at all.. it would be beneficial if it was 30%/45% .. I keep seeing now Sacrifice in Countdown vendor and it's such a shame Perfect Glass is not better

[misty path]

i don't think the % incoming damage increase really matters all that much

on a full red build, 45% vs 60% is the difference of like, less than one bullet

[small spear]

yeah i think it's a strong talent that requires such an equally strong drawback

there are only a few scenarios where you cannot run it because you have forced damage

[kind veldt]

it's a pretty huge free damage otherwise

[dry gate]

I mean I get the point of glass in general.. I just think looking at other perfect talents they are all basically a buff to the player.. I think Perfect Glass is the only one that actually increases the handicap with damage received.. oh whatever.. I mean I can definitely feel running glass cannon

[ebon steeple]

Lol 0.5% chance to get a raid weapon in the cache

[misty path]

but also increases the damage output

30% non-situation increase in damage is really powerful

[dry gate]

all i got so far is materials 🙂

[misty path]

i put in my 2 weeks bc i'm starting a new job and i got fired on the spot, joke's on them bc it's just in time to sell my soul for this eagle bearer

[small spear]

i mean if you compare it to other similar talents, they all require some input from you to activate. GC is the only one that does not require you to do anything to activate it, so in comparison it's busted

it absolutely needed this handicap

[kind veldt]

what other talents have downsides even?

at most cooldowns

[small spear]

obliterate requires you to land multiple crits (and has less synergy with shotguns than full auto weapons), spotter requires you to pulse so you have to make room for that in your build, gunslinger requires you to time your weapon swaps, etc.

it depends on what you need to do/consider to make them work, GC just requires you to play well

[kind veldt]

was talking about actual negative thing on you, i would consider those just requirements, same to staying in cover

[small spear]

if you strategize well, the downside of GC disappears, just like with other talents, but GC absolutely needed something as a downside, taking more damage for me is fair

yeah i agree with you bird shot, more so replying to bozz

[kind veldt]

oh right

brain is itching saying we did have another, but could have been a 1.0 thing or something , really cant remember another talent with downside at the moment

[valid sable]

agents, what build are you guys using for Heroic? Hunter's Fury is not cutting it at the moment 🙏

[kind veldt]

you probably just need to upgrade the rolls or gear, hunter's fury definetly works for heroic

[valid sable]

please don't send me to the spreadsheet, i wanna read your personal opinions

[small spear]

HF, striker, OD, any headhunter build

all of these work

[misty path]

high end red dps

[small spear]

full high end works too yeah

[valid sable]

it works, but there are too many enemies on heroic at the same time, and you need to be in-their-face with Hunter's

[misty path]

featuring our favorite chestpiece talent

[kind veldt]

try negotiator or umbra then

negotiator is good at handling multiple people, umbra kinda forces you to learn a good rhythm of cover and out of cover

[valid sable]

I'm taking note of yall suggestions, thank you very much

thats the thing, I don't wanna use a rifle with hunter's, because the benefit or +smg and+shotgun damage is lost

[kind veldt]

negotiator and umbra are also generic in terms of weapons you can use, they generally favour automatic weapons, would just say to avoid snipers much with them

[dry gate]

45% is still downside.. I was purely talking about percentages. Every other talent buffs the percentages in player's favor that's all.. so by their logic the numbers to follow other percentages would be 25->30% damage increase, 50%->45% damage taken. I'm nitpicking really, but just looking logically.

[valid sable]

I wanna try something new

[small spear]

eh, look at measured vs perfect measured then

[dry gate]

I'm making 100% bleed resistance Hunter's Fury with Backfire.. you might like that. It hits really really hard.

[kind veldt]

can also try something bit more different, like eclipse protocol, focused on fire and other status effect

[valid sable]

name of the chestpiece talent? pls

[misty path]

perfect glass cannon, available on the sacrifice named providence piece

there's one with chd/chc available in countdown vendor rn

[dry gate]

still worth the pick up I say

[kind veldt]

thats a convenient roll i ever saw one

[dry gate]

in case they do modify the numbers 😉

[misty path]

i think most high end pve builds use glass cannon lol

not sure it's fair to say it's not beneficial

[kind veldt]

back in my day we had firing squads of shields and M1A to clear hard content

[small spear]

^

m1a focus rifle build

[small spear]

the bonuses for smg and shotgun aren't really that big

in speedruns we use a pistol with it lol. the 4p is where it's at

[full zinc]

Nego is a really solid dps specifically for taking care of a lot of adds. You really need good exposure management tho. dishing out the types of damage nego delivers, you will be prioritized as high threat. Really solid as ar/rifle

Ar lmg as well

[gentle canyon]

As a newer player trying to do the season journey with teh momentum requirements, should i just run the refractor set?(i think that is what it is called)?

i was trying striker build and was killing fast but momentum was not building fast

[full zinc]

Nah, dps is really solid with it. You need the right passives unlocked. Crit momentum/ crit repair (idk name) modifiers both ratchet up momentum really well

[kind veldt]

reaper pulse

[gentle canyon]

ah ok but i don't unlock passives until i beat journey 3 and those are part of it i think

[kind veldt]

but i think thats more in hte middle of the journey not the at the start

[full zinc]

Overdrive is like overclock on demand and it easy to keep leveled by maintaining damage

[gentle canyon]

though i can just do the other 6

[full zinc]

Yeah, you can try refracture. Ymmv tho, not all skill builds work well with momentum.
When I run fire eclipse it's slow to start, on the other hand, mortar setup maxes out momentum really quick.
Personally as a newer agent/new to season agent, I would build a hardwire cluster /stinger hive setup with btsu gloves if available. That would play well with momentum and be really easy to use. Jmho

[gentle canyon]

which hive?

booster?

[full zinc]

Stinger it has explosive charges, like 14-18

[gentle canyon]

oh

[full zinc]

Can also be set active on partial cooldown

[dry gate]

yeah.. the ones you need are closer to Journey step 3.. it's not hard to get to it.. you won't need to grind a lot.. those 2 are really the only ones you need to build momentum.. Actually only the one with crit damage that builds 1% momentum.

[full zinc]

Highly underrated skill

[gentle canyon]

how is hardwire different than refactor, i just figured season set was better suited, i have no more hardwire lol, dismantled them

[kind veldt]

there sure are a lot of patches in this caches

[full zinc]

Refracture is basically a healing turret drone type set. It's ok for sure, but I dont see it as cruising through fast like you would with explosives. Explosives and crit are more what the season is about tbh. hardwire let's you spam explosives where refracture would still have longer cooldowns

[dry gate]

can someone enlighten me about Gunslinger? So, let's say you start with second weapon, then when the fighting starts you swap to your primary and start blasting for 5 seconds at 23% increased damage.. now if I swap to the secondary weapon while the buff is active on the first one, it removes the buff, but what if I switch back to my primary again quickly? Does it apply the buff again?

[full zinc]

Too much management

[gentle canyon]

yea the on build i saw on youtube was a booster hive and turret basically making them invincible.

[valid sable]

Is this viable on Heroic? I have a build like that, and it's a ton of fun on Challenging.... would not dare trying it on Heroic

[dry gate]

i believe from what i heard the enemies take same amount of damage from challenging to heroic.. the only difference is there are more elites.. I might be totally wrong though.. but I saw a few people on YT mentioning it

[supple mica]

Not to waste CD currency Cassie has it as well.

[full zinc]

Also slow to clear. Its preference at that point tho. Skill builds can chew through most content, some are just slower. The booster would be unnecessary tho.

[gentle canyon]

i think they were doing countdown? they were just staying in one place. i never did countdown no idea what it is

[full zinc]

Yeah countdown and skills dont mix

[dry gate]

you should try it.. it's fun.. 8 people fighting through tons of enemies to complete objectives in time. plenty of hunters too.. plus you get currency and you can buy exotic chests and you can farm specific gear you need

[supple mica]

With skill builds it takes forever especially on lego, heroic as well but for new players thats a very vaible option to get thru content they are strugling.

[full zinc]

Unless you take Lootcifer sacrifices serious.
🔥 😈 🔥

[misty path]

my favorite thing to happen in countdown is when a newbie throws out a drone or a turret and it gets hijacked instantly and starts gunning us all down, and then they're just like "huh, weird" and try it again

[kind veldt]

that was my mastery experience yesterday

saw at least 3 drones

[full zinc]

Which is why I suggested hw over refactor to get a bit faster momentum

[lunar hare]

shi I forgor

[gentle canyon]

nvm it was actually tidal basin https://youtu.be/Q-FSIdhogKY?t=635

[lunar hare]

happened to me not once but four times and dude was 700 hours in

[misty path]

or when you've got the extract by reactor(?) and all 4 hunters are just bunkered in and you've almost got one down and someone brings out a repair drone

[valid sable]

That is the arcade mode of Division 2... no hiding in cover, just run and gun against the clock, it's really fun and active right now

[gentle canyon]

yea i didn't know it could be hijacked lol

[misty path]

if you do it once because you didn't know, that's fine

if you keep doing it and your team keeps telling you to stop,

[gentle canyon]

lol

well does it happen every time?

[kind veldt]

Y

[gentle canyon]

so it just makes that skill a big nothing then?

[valid sable]

are there not enemy drones in Countdown?

[misty path]

no lol, except for the ones enemies naturally deploy

if there's a striker drone attacking you in countdown, that means one of your teammates tried to use it against a hunter

[compact wadi]

brrruuuhhh why do they keep making all the good looking stuff one piece im lookin at you city rat and rouge kelso

[full zinc]

Only when they are hacked

[lunar hare]

red kelso?

[valid sable]

holy cow then that shit happens ALL THE TIME, all of those drones i've been gunning down in countdown... actually belong to players?

[compact wadi]

also whats with the apparel holster slot being below everything? bug?

[vapid turtle]

What core was the new brand set next season

[full zinc]

Yup. Jammer pulse becomes real handy.
Some stuff is safe tho. Like chem, shield, sticky bombs, different pulse types, reviver/artificer as long as not dropped, traps. Most else deployable are hackable

[full zinc]

One of the settings menus has ability to show teamates skills along with their names . Let's you know which one will be effin you over during extraction 😉

[sleek hearth]

after the new update i can't open field proficiency cache. the same thing happens after i tried restarting the game and and have space in my inventory

[misty path]

there's only two rules in countdown: no skill builds, always skip VIP

[iron gust]

Third rule is extraction call

[dry gate]

alright agents.. is the obliterate weapon damage multiplicative? I know glass cannon is as it says amplified but on obliterate?

[dry gate]

and avoid heroic unless you want to get kicked out for being lower SHD level 🙂

[dark oak]

if i want unlock stronghold i need to do hard/heroic or can do any level?

[unique bramble]

Rule number three: never put an exodus gloves and go call the extraction like I do or they will scream at you.

[dry gate]

hahahah

they really go ape sh*t if you call the chopper right away with like a minute left 🤣

[unique bramble]

And then I say: the objective is: call the extraction Idk what you are talking about

[dry gate]

🤣

[hybrid ore]

Countdown is for gaining loot, if you cut off people's ability to gain loot, don't be surprised that they're unhappy.

[misty path]

reasonable crashout tbh, the last couple minutes is the best time for targeted loot

[hybrid ore]

@dark oak Any difficulty is fine, but it's best to start to learn how to play Challenigng.

[hybrid ore]

Fun fact: the Hunters at the end have double drops specifically because of people farming them at the start then leaving.
So they transferred the drops to the end.

[unique bramble]

I'm a bad person, pls don't mind me.

[dry gate]

can they drop exotics as well? i know I read from before here that they nerfed them at start

[unique bramble]

They do but on countdown they are elite and not named. So idk if the chances are different from other hunters that have the "unknown" name.

[gray slate]

i dont love thjis game

[dry gate]

whaaa? it's the bestest best game in the whole wide world

[languid bay]

Wtf do i do when i kill everyone on a point and get “no allies nearby”

Am i just gonna leave and watch it get taken over again?

[dry gate]

no you can need to pop the flare gun

that calls in the allies and you can also spawn on the allies captain if you die

[languid bay]

It wont let me shoot a flare

[dry gate]

it will get taken over anyways.. but when you are within the control point area and the sky is open (you have to be in the open) you should be able to shoot the flair..

However, keep this in mind.. the Control Point in the tunnel has a bug and sometimes won't take over the point even if your allies are there. So there might be a bug as well but it's very rare, I've had it only twice so far on that one specific control point and I think it's because I pushed the enemies waaay into the tunnel.

[languid bay]

Goddamnit lol

I’m actually now waiting bc a 2nd round is now pushing to this point

[mortal whale]

who can take me on my first raid

[vestal ingot]

I played the og div2 till 30. Only just now bought warlords of new york. Is the gear that drops at 31 instantly better then base game gear?

[languid bay]

Yes

[fair lake]

Got all 11/11 pieces from Brooklyn Caches.
Time to do Master Difficulty + Duck challenge

[keen lily]

How many xp for 1 season level? 1000?

[fair lake]

yes

[full zinc]

Its total weapon damage. Its seperate from regular weapon damage so it is another multiplier... if it is the only source of total weapon damage it acts like an amp.
But tbh, strip multiplicative out of your vocabulary. Everything is multiplicative, but additive with itself. The only exception being amps, and we just call them amps

[slate lion]

What does duck challenge reward?

[dusk prawn]

duck backpack trophy

[small spear]

as an average player, i love multiplicative bonuses

[crisp shore]

does the targeted loot in the world change each day?

i see so i wasn't going mad lol

[keen lily]

I wish they made Priority Objectives as a group activity 🥲

[slate lion]

They are going to

At least share rewards

[dry gate]

well that's another question.. does the game have the similar damage approach like diablo 4 had.. meaning damage buckets and some are additive and some are multiplicative.. or it's different. What does everything is multiplicative but additive with itself means?

you see this is how the damage is calculated in regards to multiplicate/additive base=100 percentage addition +30% = 100+30, now your damage is 130. Multiplicative damage.. your damage now = 130 add multiplicative damage 30% now your damage is 130*39 = 5070 .. do you see the difference between multiplicate and additive?

[full zinc]

All damage buckets are multiplicitive with the other damage buckets.. like weapon damage , total weapon damage, crit damage all multiply but are additive with other like damage types

[small spear]

okay, when we say something is "multiplicative" or "additive" there's always an object. like "multiplicative to what" and "additive to what"

[full zinc]

So like red cores are additive with red cores. Twd additive with twd

[tiny oar]

(side note : crit and headshot dont multiply its the only exception)

[dry gate]

that's not what I asked though.. I asked if when it says amplified weapon damage, is the same as the weapon damage through obliterate

[small spear]

if you just say something is multiplicative, then it don't mean anything because every stat is multiplicative to some other stat

[small spear]

the answer is "amplified" = its own multiplier

[full zinc]

Was answered technically.

[dry gate]

again, is obliterate weapon damage = amplified weapon damage in the descriptions of the talents. is it the same type of damage?

[small spear]

no, it's total weapon damage, it's additive to total weapon damage and multiplicative to other multipliers

[dry gate]

so it's additive.. ok

[small spear]

you have to think in terms of multipliers

just let go of how you're used to it in diablo 4, that model isn't going to work in this game

[ebon steeple]

man i opened so many caches still cant get the exotic component jackpot

[small spear]

in that game almost every buff is multiplicative to each other

[dry gate]

the notion of additive and multiplicative damage is not necessarily exclusive thing to diablo.. this is how the damage is calculated in games in general

[full zinc]

I like buckets tbh. If you have another bucket its potentially more damage 👴

[small spear]

that doesn't mean the words don't make sense

it's prone to misuse a lot, like right now

again i'm trying to help you understand that in this game, it's best to categorize each buff under the multiplier they add to or whether they are their own multiplier

[dry gate]

I'm not sure it's misused at all.. Div 2 has multiplicative damage buckets from what I gather here.. within those buckets there are some damage talents that provide additive bonus to that bucket or multiplicative one.. buckets themselves are multiplicative

incorrect?

[small spear]

okay but "additive to its own bucket" and "multiplicative to other buckets" are what you should've said

you don't just say something is "additive" with no distinction

additive to what?

[dry gate]

so from whatyou said.. obliterate is additive damage to your total weapon damage.. amplified weapon damage is multiplicative damage

[small spear]

yes

[dry gate]

all that needed to be said

[small spear]

to keep it simple right now, yes

[full zinc]

👆

[small spear]

before we add headhunter, all amps work the same way

[small spear]

the reason why we say this is because if you have no other source of twd than obliterate, then it literally is an amp for all intents and purposes

[dry gate]

okay.. that makes sense now.. so obliterate falls into it's own bucket.. so that makes it multiplicative in the whole scheme of things when we calculate total damage.. got it

[iron adder]

amp 1 x amp 2 x (TWD1 + TWD2 + TWDn)
TWD as a whole is multiplicative but individual source of TWD is additive to each other

[small spear]

we make it clear because some people have this misconception of "multiplicative good additive bad" which is so widespread

it's because it's true in other games but not necessarily true in this game

[full zinc]

Use glass. Its stronger, especially if you use vigilance as a single source of twd

[dry gate]

multiplicative is always favored everywhere because it is math.. it's a multiplier, that's why everyone in every game that has damage profiles and buckets leans into it.. it just spits out bigger numbers.. but anyways, that's a longer discussion

[small spear]

we went over that too earlier, he got it

[small spear]

focus beats every other chest talent besides headhunter in the game, even though it's additive

[dry gate]

and glass cannon does specifically say ALL damage you do is amplified by 25% so this leads me to believe that it applies it's percentage to total damage as multiplicative..

[fair lake]

System requirements:

• Maths Degree

[small spear]

how do you explain focus?

[dry gate]

sorry I don't know them all by heart.. what is focus?

[small spear]

basically 60% total weapon damage

it's additive to twd, so it must be bad right?

[dry gate]

oh it's clear why it's strong.. when you take all the buckets, multiply them, then add 60% on top of it.. even though it's additive the number it comes out with is pretty strong..

[small spear]

there you go

so let go of that notion, it's wrong and it never made sense

[dry gate]

yeah.. I get it.. it's math though

it's not wrong.. that's how the damage works.. 60% is massive number to add on total damage that consists of multiple buckets.. no wonder it's strong even if it's additive

[full zinc]

It's bad because it causes epileptic seizures when used "properly"

[small spear]

look at the end result to determine if something is strong, not whether it's "additive" or "multiplicative"

[dry gate]

additive or multiplicative IS a huge difference in most cases.. the only exceptions are in the case of that focus because 60% even though additive, is still A LOT of damage increase.. but here's why multiplicate and additive actually is always relevant.

Let's say your total weapon damage is 100,000 includes all buckets. for sake of calucations.

Additive (additive increase):
100,000 * 0.6 = 60,000 = total damage now 100,000 **+ **60000 = 160,000 - significant damage increase
Multiplicative (25% multiplicative increase):
100,000 x 0.25 =25,000 = total damage now 100,000 x 25000 = 2,500,000,000 - this is why everyone leans multiplicative

now granted, I don't know exactly how damage buckets are organized in Division 2, my assumption is that crit damage for example is on it's own and is additive across the board (mods/talents) but is in it's own bucket that multiplies with other buckets.. but you guys now made me curious to look it up.

[slate fractal]

Fast revives if player is not completely down. Super good in the dz and also in legendaries.

[languid cradle]

Okay, thank you!

[slate fractal]

Im currently using it with s healer build and a mosquito exotic side arm

[unique bramble]

It's almost like the "Inspire" perk from payday 2

[slate fractal]

Makes you super helpful. By breaking enemy armor and helping your dps buddies drop enemies faster, also they dont need to run revive hive anymore or need overcharges they can straight up focus ok dps skills

[fervent cobalt]

Can someone tell me where the "wolves mask" comes from? I got it but my bf didn't

[jagged prism]

believe it's the master difficulty mission

[fervent cobalt]

Ok thank you!

[mental hollow]

anyone wanna help me get the eb?

[jagged prism]

you can try the LFG here or i hear GCRock discord tends to help with those
also starting yesterday if you do teh 101-110 season you can open the brooklyn caches i think and possibly get it there

[mental hollow]

already opened 100 plus caches no luck, and the gcrock poeple dont pay me any mind so lol, can only find a raid with people that dont wanna help me get the eb haha

[compact wadi]

.....there is a hidden hunter encounter with FOUR HUNTERS?!?

yea i defo cant solo that

[silent nymph]

yes, and it's in the mastery manhunt mission of kelso

[compact wadi]

naw in vanilla div2, specifically: Cross, Death, Diamond and Phantom

[silent nymph]

oh, those one's

forgot about the old D.C hunter's

[dry gate]

@kind veldt is there a way to post a more detailed explanation about damage in any of the channels without being spanked by server bot?

[shrewd cosmos]

The raid exotic drop rate in the Brooklyn caches is abysmal. Same rate as dz?

[lunar hare]

higher

[silent nymph]

the trello said it's a 0.5% if you get lucky since i wanna get the skin for scorpio, yet the game gave me the patches instead

[lunar hare]

0.5% compared to 0.024% is higher

simple maffs

[kind veldt]

break it down in smaller messages i assume

[dry gate]

okay.. I was wondering about this as a new player and I think it will be very useful as I did quite a bit of research now about it so i could understand it.. but yeah, bot blocks any larger content.. so I'll have to break it down in paragraphs.

[dark oak]

is it possible to recalibrate more than one slot on item?

[dry gate]

sadly nope

[loud sail]

is there any specific spot i can go to and get lvl 2 momentum and maintain it?

[dark oak]

@loud sail had same issue - do seasonal mission lvl1-2-3 and set passives (aim heads on "red" enemies also helps)

[dry gate]

do this.. go to the shooting range.. stack up your momentum to 5 (easily done there).. run out of the base and start killing everything.. you'll have plenty of time because it takes quite a bit for it to drop below 2 so you can cruise around and kills stuff and you'll keep it

[compact wadi]

wtf i cant get the wraith hunter to spawn

[dry gate]

I just did this recently.. remind me which one is that?

[compact wadi]

shot the light that is on and saluted next to the flagpole

[dry gate]

I didn't have to shoot the light.. just salute next to the flag facing the wall of fallen heroes

[compact wadi]

it is

1:30 to be specific

[loud sail]

that's great to know, i will give it a try, thank you!

[loud sail]

thank you I will look into this too

[dry gate]

you are doing the journey thing right? I did this trick I told you for mine.

[compact wadi]

yea wraith wont spawn

[dry gate]

I had to do it a few times.. I had issues spawning for me as well.. I left and on the next evening after 21:00 I went there, just saluted the flag and he showed up.. I don't know if it was the state of the world or that area at the moment but that's what happened for me

so you are definitely not alone

[compact wadi]

bruh

well at least i can do the other night hunters

[loud sail]

yes i'm on journal mission 4, I have to maintain it for 120 second, i haven't been able to figure out how to keep it that way but I'm going to try it

hopefully i can get raid exotics from the sesonal boxes

[dry gate]

the washington monument one is a bit*h.. you might want to hurry up when you do that one.. there are a couple of steps you need to do and they have to be at night too.

[compact wadi]

yea i already captured that cp cause i knew one was there but it wasnt night when i did

[dry gate]

yeah I figured.. that's what i did.. it worked.. but you have to run out you can't teleport out as far as I remember but it's not a biggie.. it became harder to do this on later journey steps because you also have to keep the higher momentum for longer on the other journey steps but you can get those if you play on heroic by that time.

[dry gate]

that's the key.. get that checkpoint before you start doing it

[dry gate]

and for seasonal stuff to progress super fast just do priority objectives.. you can do them on any difficulty and just look for exotic reward ones.. you'll not only blast through seasonal packages you will also get tons of exotics

[compact wadi]

bruh i think i ran out of night

first salute didnt do the ui glitch

[dry gate]

it's fine that's not night when you capture it.. you just want to go there to the storage room below to turn on that computer and then run around to complete the steps while it's night.. so you can go back there to already captured CP and just go down, turn on the computer and hustle

yeah I think night "timer" is over at 5am

[loud sail]

okay I will do that thank you!

[paper kelp]

Ducky won't run away, just goes immune. 😕

[inner elbow]

Stop stunlocking him

Or blocking his path, because his AI pathway is stupid

[compact wadi]

yea i hate how there are about 5 hunter spawns that need it to be night and unless you can insta kill the hunter your gonna be only getting one or two spawns done per night

and then there is the 4 at once

i really doubt i could solo them

yea 9 of the 12 require night to spawn

[hybrid ore]

Just so everyone is on the same page, "night" in div2 is between 21:00 and 05:00.

[compact wadi]

and that is so little time for that many hunters

not counting the ones added by wony

[hybrid ore]

You aren't meant to knock them all out in one night, or even in an IRL month.

[compact wadi]

i will probably get most of the vanilla dc hunters today

i say vanilla cause wony adds more to dc

[hybrid ore]

They're mostly referred to as the BoO Hunters, and Haven Hunters for the WONY ones.

since that's where their Crate is.

Div2 is very much a "marathon" game, in that it's meant to take you a long time to get everything.

[compact wadi]

current character has 4d of playtime soo

[paper kelp]

Apparently real stupid as we've been going around in circles for probably 15 minutes and they just keep taking cover and moving to a new location. 😧

[compact wadi]

oh i was wondering what the lion eyes are for, turns out its for the hunter Angel

that is soooo much walking for Angel

[hybrid ore]

Just wait until you get to Neurotic.

[dry gate]

I had already an OP build and I got spanked. I had to call in my buddy to help me out. 4 Hunters even on normal is definitely nothing to sneeze at.

[inner elbow]

You... Complain about walking?

Wait till you try Countdown or Summit

[compact wadi]

are Trip, Lucky, Veil, and Paranoid the hardest hunter fight?

[hybrid ore]

If they ever were, they aren't anymore.
but that's a spoiler.

[compact wadi]

also Angel's mask reminds me of Spawn

still mad i cant wear a hood with Crimson's mask, would look so cool

god please let it be added as a toggle or something

[small spear]

we already know this, let's assume we all do. the reason i say all this is that the end result matters most, not whether some buff is multiplicative or additive

the language we use here is quite specific because it tells you exactly what multiplier the buff affects

so if you know how the formula in this game works, you know exactly what we're talking about

[compact wadi]

uhhhg i need some money cause my 2nd monitor is blacking out randomly

all the plugs are fine too

[small spear]

also your multiplicative example should be 100000 * 1.25, not 100000 * 25000 lol

[compact wadi]

the hunter mask bug apply to ALL hunters?

[small spear]

yeah

[compact wadi]

maaaaaan trying to do those 4 is gonna suck

[mint sphinx]

does anyone have capitol building unlocked ? can i join you

[compact wadi]

the invaded version?

im one mission away from unlocking it

[mint sphinx]

yes

[small spear]

are you trying to do the legendary?

[mint sphinx]

i have a priority obj for it

[compact wadi]

lemme do the one before it, i gotta wait till night anyways for more hunters

[small spear]

oh, even then you can swap it back to the normal one

go to the difficulty settings for it and choose "toggle mission mode"

[mint sphinx]

r u sure?

[small spear]

you don't have to do the invaded one

[compact wadi]

yea it has a toggle when you go ot the mission area

[small spear]

yes, prio obj doesn't care about which mission mode

[compact wadi]

when you are at the screen to change difficulty and directives its a little toggle on the bottom of the screen @mint sphinx

G for PC, Y for controllers

[mint sphinx]

yeah it wont let me do anything .... weird

damm i dont wanna get rid of the obj cuase its good xp

[small spear]

are you solo?

[mint sphinx]

yes

[small spear]

so if you hover over capitol on the map, hold G

if the icon turns blue instead of red, you did it

[mint sphinx]

yeah i know it wont let me do anything

[small spear]

what do you mean by this

send a screenshot in #ask-td2-community

[compact wadi]

can confirm, holding g from the map toggles it

[full zinc]

Goto the mission start

It will force you to change mode if invaded isnt unlocked... you're welcome

[jagged prism]

think their issue they don't want to walk there XD

[full zinc]

Fast travel works

[jagged prism]

don't think when it's invaded and they didn't do the missions tied to it, tried it earlier and wouldn't do the fast travel bit, but i did manage to change the mission type and was able to fast travel after that

[compact wadi]

not if its locked, tried to

had to fast travel nearby

[full zinc]

Ok...are you like pre-40?

[small spear]

it's a bug with capitol specifically

[compact wadi]

no, SHD lvl 140

[small spear]

it's a legit bug

[full zinc]

Never noticed

[jagged prism]

i was 40 and tried to fast travel for a priority objective

[full zinc]

Ok, well walk over and get her done... or abandon and pick another

[small spear]

i got the bug too. had to fast travel to the classified mission nearby to change it to normal for the legendary

[full zinc]

Those invaded are easy season xp. Probably why I didnt see it bugged

[jagged prism]

probably if you did the missions prior to stronghold would let you fast travel then and after finishing doesn't really affect you

[full zinc]

Yeah, I bust through 4 agents projects/invaded/whatever weekly so shits naturally unlocked

[jagged prism]

so based on that, how many loops did you end going through on the stretch goals bit?

[full zinc]

I still need to finish the first. Only played a short bit last night

[jagged prism]

ah, lol. figured doing those x4 would get you a few loops on it

[full zinc]

But I got plenty of stuff to do and can bounce back and forth for prio to bypass some of the limits

Havent been through 4x yet tho. 1 and partial so far

[compact wadi]

man is the federal bunker that hard? i keep seeing backup calls from there

[jagged prism]

not really

[full zinc]

Matchmaking probably slow. Backup calls are easy way to fill group

[compact wadi]

ah

[jagged prism]

nods what i did for running some of my priority objectives. call for help, matchmake then start the mission and hope someone joins XD

[compact wadi]

i just do stuff solo cause i have 300 ping

[full zinc]

I think some of the backup calls are because people want to run their specific directives and/or modifiers

[jagged prism]

do you use the same builds for your 4 local or do you try various builds on each of them when you do the weekly/daily stuff?

[full zinc]

I have pretty much duplicate builds on all . Mortar/fire/turretdrone/nego/hb/striker normal/striker with chest/od... couple randoms but my mains are represented on each alt. I swap builds a lot anyways depending on group/ area

[lunar hare]

local has all his builds duplicated and he uses only one of them

[jagged prism]

mortar surpemacy right? (> <)

[full zinc]

I wish mortar was applicable in every situation

It's around 90% applicable tho

I mean it is first in my list 🍻

[compact wadi]

wraith has to be bugged, dude will not spawn

did the salute, nothing. shot the light then the salute, nothing

[full zinc]

Are you meeting timeframe requirements. A lot are at night or multipart

[jagged prism]

those are ingame time frames btw

[full zinc]

Give it a day cycle and try again

That salute is kinda buggy, but will pop eventually

[compact wadi]

oh cool cassie has the sacrifice

[jagged prism]

sacrifice is overrated hides sacrifice

[lunar hare]

cd vendor does too

[full zinc]

Skill damage or crit?

[lunar hare]

double crit

[full zinc]

Too bad it's not 🦄

[lunar hare]

:(

[cobalt stirrup]

How am I supposed to kill Black Tusk in Downtown East, if it's not invaded?

[kind veldt]

bounties? they can do random activities or be in hte open world

helps if you own all control points in that zone

[dry gate]

yeah, as @kind veldt says.. that's the easiest and quickest. that's what I do, just look through bounties and it will tell you what faction they belong to and blammooo.. done 😉

[fresh siren]

didn't they changed it to heynas ?

[kind veldt]

well back to the grind, got the full costume set now the packs almost dont drop extras

[mint sphinx]

none of the journey obj r counting when im doing them cant get past 6

[undone timber]

Scouts don't share objective progress across a group given you're on the same one right

[pearl pine]

Just got my first striker set and omg it's like night and day

I deal so much dmg

Also is it a huge boost if I buy the season pass?

[jagged prism]

for damage? no boost i don't think in anything if there is probably just a bit on the season experience? i do know the season pass gives extra rewards in the season xp stuff though, like if you see you're getting an exotic cache might be 2 given for owning the season pass

[pearl pine]

I mean the rewards

Are they any good besides the cosmetics?

[full zinc]

Cosmetics and such. All the gear is on the free track

[jagged prism]

@pearl pine if you want, can just do your season leveling to 100 and decide by then to buy the pass and get all the extra rewards when you do that

[stone nimbus]

Hey yall new player here what is a good way to level season pass? is there a specific activity i should focus on?

[compact wadi]

prios give the most season xp but idk if you have priority objectives unlocked yet

[pearl pine]

They unlock right at lvl 40

[lunar hare]

scout missions give a lot of season xp
3 activities per

[stone nimbus]

I do I just hit lvl 40!

[pearl pine]

Weekly reset was yesterday and I forgot to do it

[stone nimbus]

yeah i have seen those as well okay i'll focus on both of those activities! thanks yall

[loud sierra]

When do we get classified gear in div 2

[kind veldt]

i hope never

[loud sierra]

I can hear millions of souls screaming when it arrives

Farming 4 hours for 1 piece. Getting 20 duplicates

[rare vapor]

as if we didn't have enough grind already

[queen stirrup]

do not the classified gear

[hearty raft]

Tryna do the scout 3 and I can’t even progress because I don’t have a bounty in downtown east

[undone timber]

Do a public execution

[hearty raft]

I don’t see any

[jagged prism]

hostage rescue?

[pastel bolt]

anyone wanna run incursion with me need three players its my first time

[hearty raft]

Don’t see any either but I’m keeping an eye out

[jagged prism]

was about to say i got a couple, then saw PS for you and was like oh nm

[lunar hare]

reset control points until you see a public execution

[hearty raft]

I don’t have any captured so idk if that would help

[lunar hare]

it will

[pastel bolt]

sorry but no one in LFG is answering

[livid juniper]

Having an issue with starting capital hill sh. I’ve done Jupiter twice and it still says I need to do it.
Any ideas on how to fix this? I’ve already restarted my entire system as that’s why I’ve done it twice.

[undone timber]

Toggle mission mode

[covert lava]

guys, how to get the overlord exotic shotgun ?

[livid juniper]

How do I know I’ve done it correctly when I toggle it?

[kind veldt]

which exactly mission are you trying to do?

[kind veldt]

just farm shotguns, buy exotic caches, try countdown and so on

[covert lava]

40 runs already and tons of exotics cache still havent got it

[livid juniper]

Jupiter manhunt. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that before.

[kind veldt]

thats on roosevelt island

[kind veldt]

when you select the difficulty a prompt will appear on the bottom to change out what variation you want to play

[livid juniper]

Oh ok, thank you

[proud shell]

Yo why does my exotics components turned 930?

Is that a gift for complete battle pass?

[gloomy wyvern]

Glitch with the exotic component cache. You Lucky monster

[cedar seal]

Idk why you would need that many in the first place.

[gloomy wyvern]

Expertise a few guns to 28. I could burn threw that 930 in a hour

[cedar seal]

I mean yeah, but exotics are being thrown at us like candy at a parade. The allure of getting them is gone. Its more rare to get certain named weapons now.

[languid bay]

Exotics drop that often??

[cedar seal]

Yeah

[languid bay]

That means im on the cusp of another st elmos ?

[gloomy wyvern]

On heroic difficulty and priority obj yeah it isn't that hard to get them

[cedar seal]

I get about 5-10 exotics per session.

[gloomy wyvern]

My personal record is about 30 in 5-6 hours

One named guy dropped 3 exotics

[cedar seal]

Thank you for clarifying. I think the biggest slap is that they put the EB in a cache.

[gloomy wyvern]

has any dataminer gone over that cache? I'd love to know my chances of getting those

[rare vapor]

the exotic comp cache gives 1-999 components depends on luck

[cedar seal]

Yeah it's goofy. And I think it's .5% chance

[gloomy wyvern]

I've seen people saying that but I'd love to look at the source

[rare vapor]

doubt its gonna be disclosed

its all just "feeling"

[languid bay]

Is this some level 40 shit bc i just jit 37 lmfao

[gloomy wyvern]

hence why I asked if a dataminer dug into it. Something similar happened when a few exotics got added to the DZ and we found out how small the chances were

[gloomy wyvern]

When I was pre 40 I didn't get a single exotic to drop either. Heroic difficulty boosts your chances of exotics to drop the most. Plus all the other sources you have at hand help too

[languid bay]

Dude hell yes lmao

Well to ke at least, it reminds me a lot of BL3’s chase

[still juniper]

hows it been birdo

[still juniper]

you basically only get exotics post lvl40

there are some you can get beforehand, i think liberty, but the odds? slimmer than an edited beach pic

[languid bay]

I got a couple

[gloomy wyvern]

Witch craft

[languid bay]

Pyromaniac St Elmos and this exotic assault i cant remember

I got emelies guard too but that was early as hell

And i think that’s high end

[still juniper]

then ye be blessed by RNGsus

[gloomy wyvern]

I kinda want him to come over and open a few of my brooklyn cahces now

[still juniper]

lmao

hey bill, what ye think of Boolet King?

[gloomy wyvern]

Haven't messed with it since the rof nerf

[still juniper]

i think its one of the funniest and most enjoyable DPS weapons

i use it on a strikers build, and i can do raids without issue

[gloomy wyvern]

St elmo and strega are my go to for dps

[still juniper]

i wonder what a good exotic for that kinda build would be

[still juniper]

is strega some new thing?

[languid bay]

That’s a first lol my RNG is trash in every other game that has it lmao

[gloomy wyvern]

I think Strega is the name? it was in the last season

[still juniper]

the lord of chance hath smiled upon ye

[still juniper]

oh, i aint played since like, 2022

[gloomy wyvern]

It's based on the fal and puts a damage buff on everyone around the person you killed

[compact wadi]

man prios are only getting me one pass lvl now

[still juniper]

hey bill, what is a good exotic for a bullet king build

its a generic LMG with a bottomless mag

[compact wadi]

almost at rank 90 tho :]

[gloomy wyvern]

Striker all day every day

[still juniper]

thats a gearset not an exotic

strikers is the default for anything LMG related

[languid bay]

I need that so bad btw

[gloomy wyvern]

oh you mean an exotic gear to pair with it?

[still juniper]

go now, strike down the boss of wall street on legendary

[gloomy wyvern]

I mostly play solo so I tend to run Momento. If I'm in a group and I'm doing DPS I tend to run Coyote

[still juniper]

i mostly play by myself but i need something that works for raids too

is there any new exotic armor since i last played in 2022

[jagged prism]

have you checked the spreadsheet in the pins of #td2-build-advice ?

[still juniper]

honestly man i havent played in years, i forgot that existed

[jagged prism]

there's probably a lot of brandsets, gearsets and exotics from 2023 to now

[still juniper]

there are two exotic armor pieces i dont recognize

Centurion Scabbard and Rugged Gauntlets, teh rest are identical

[jagged prism]

centurion if you like swapping weapons a lot
forget rugged gauntlets

[still juniper]

im using a weapon that encourages hunkering down and laying into hordes of enemies

[jagged prism]

oh yeah, the rugged gauntlets is just less recoil from hip firing or blind firing from behind cover

[still juniper]

nothing good then, i always aim so im not wasting ammo

i wish i could get a sawyers kneepads with a red core instead of a blu core

[jagged prism]

not uptodate but there's another pair of gloves Exodus

[gloomy wyvern]

cool idea but not that useful

[still juniper]

oh?

[jagged prism]

awesome gloves, but horrible in group since it provides a smoke screen

[still juniper]

whats Exodus do, and how can i get my hands on a pair if i reinstall

[jagged prism]

basically your armor breaks. it gives you the hunter appearance smoke bomb. takes you completely out of combat for 4 or 5 seconds?

[compact wadi]

they drop a hunter style smoke bomb and forces you to exit combat for 3 seconds

[still juniper]

wait it forces me to stop shooting for three seconds?

[jagged prism]

oh was off on the seconds

[compact wadi]

40s cooldown

[still juniper]

screw that

[jagged prism]

no, just drops you out of combat completely

if you don't fire you can regen your armor fully

[still juniper]

as in i will be ignored but can continue firing?

[compact wadi]

you ALSO get the out of combat armor regen

[still juniper]

oh crap its that kinda combat drop

its essentially a 5e disengage

[compact wadi]

so its kinda like a gloves slot of Zero F's

[still juniper]

is there anything else new i should know about

[compact wadi]

new smg based around the shield

[jagged prism]

this season a new exotic backpack

[gloomy wyvern]

Someone want to tell hjim about seasonal modifiers

[still juniper]

oh?

[jagged prism]

really buggy atm though 😢

[compact wadi]

eats its health but dealing dmg repairs the shield

[still juniper]

what does it do

[jagged prism]

supposed to give a -90% revive speed, but manual still normal speed of reviving
also you and the person getting revived gets 50% damage resistence
if you're at skill tier 6 you go in over charge once you revive someone

[still juniper]

that sounds like it sucks unless you're specifically a medic

[jagged prism]

probably won't be used much healing wise though. think people would prefear the BTSU over it

did you play div 1 at all?

[still juniper]

nein

[compact wadi]

i havent tested the Oxpecker out yet, does it make your shield unbreakable as long as you got consistent dmg?

[jagged prism]

if you can outdamage the npcs sure

last season they introduced a new mission difficulty Master
it's a mission between heroic and legendary in difficulty
along with that they added Modifiers
you get 1 of 3 active modifiers
and 3 of probably 12ish passive modifiers

[still juniper]

this just sounds like diet legendary

[jagged prism]

this manhunt and last manhunt they put an exotic drop behind doing the mission. think it's single digit normal to heroic chance while master is 100% first clear of it

[compact wadi]

is it a new exotic or just a confirmed drop?

[jagged prism]

Theo was Provacator Chest, Kelso is Birdie's Quick Fix, next season will be Alphabridge mask

[still juniper]

ubisoft wont let me reinstall the game apparently

do you guys know what error code 17013 means

[compact wadi]

they only drop there?

[jagged prism]

can't say i've seen it before

[still juniper]

what do these do

[jagged prism]

yes, hence the pts patch notes put the Provactor in the Exclusive part with ravenoun, regulus and eaglebearer

birdie's quick fix is that reviving exotic backpack i told you about prior
Provacator Chest supposed gives you damage resistence upto 5 targets that target you or your Decoy, seems pretty useless although i do have a build with it
the alphabridge mask lets you take your secondary weapons talent and places it on your primary weapon as long as they're the same class, non exotic and they said named, but pts named weapons without perfect talents worked fine with it. they may add them in that pool too once released or keep it the way it is

[still juniper]

what does same class even mean

[jagged prism]

rifle and rifle, ar and ar, smg and smg

[still juniper]

how is your pistol supposed to be the same class as one of your primaries unless its like, shotgun

there are no autopistols in the game that i know of, unless something changed

[kind veldt]

so if you have an AK with sadist and an M4 with optmist, both your AK and M4 share the talents

primary and secondary =/= sidearm

[still juniper]

oh it means both of your long guns

[jagged prism]

yes

[still juniper]

oh that makes more sense, kinda sucks it doesnt work with exotics though

imagine bullet king with breadbox

[jagged prism]

think a popular one will be shotguns with pummel and not sure 2nd talent

[queen stirrup]

brazen

[still juniper]

does the "non exotic" rule only apply one way?

[jagged prism]

depends if they keep the new talent on all weapons, though brazena nd that new talent would be evil 🤔

[still juniper]

you can put a non exotic perk on an exotic but not an exotic perk on a non-exotic?

[kind veldt]

both need to be regular high ends

[still juniper]

lame

[jagged prism]

f your Primary and Secondary weapon are not Exotic or Named and of the same type, the Secondary Weapon's talent will also be applied to the Primary Weapon.

[still juniper]

god just imagine pest or bullet king with bread box, or sadism, or that other one

[queen stirrup]

i am, sounds terrible

[still juniper]

sounds awesome

[jagged prism]

Streamline – Weapon Talent

Receive 80% Weapon Damage when no Skills are on Cooldown.
if they keep this normal talent as is

in pts this apparently made you immortal as long as you kept cover to cover movements
Nimble Holster – Exotic Holster

Talent “Bob and Weave”

Receive 5% Repairs for every 1m run in cover-to-cover. Damage taken while doing a cover-to-cover is healed over 10s.

[still juniper]

we have immortality holster but no dual pistol exotic? laaaaame

[jagged prism]

there's another mask i can't find to put the exact talent aside it has to do with status effects
Catalyst
something about putting status effects on npcs you get a stack, think each stack increased your weapon damage
was a weapon core, probably hazard protection and status effect exotic mask

saw that and i immediately thought Hunter's Fury mask

[kind veldt]

it was from brooklyn DLC

dealing status effect buffed your overall stats to a cap, after that cap it increased something else

[still juniper]

oh my god this with contagion protocol and scorpio/pesti/blue lmg

[still juniper]

theres a new dlc?

[jagged prism]

Battle for Brooklyn on the 27th this month

[still juniper]

oh it aint out yet

[gloomy wyvern]

15 Bucks

[still juniper]

luckily i just finished my college classes this semester

[still juniper]

scheisse, thats dirt cheap

[jagged prism]

us veterans are just getting ourselves warmed up for it XD

25 for the deluxe which you get some cosmetical stuff i think?

[still juniper]

thats it, im gettin me wallet

is there like a preorder so i can do it now while i remember, or do i just have to wait

[jagged prism]

can't even buy it yet, least the standalone of it
buy the ultimate supposedly comes with it, but probably not the cosmetical from the deluxe

[gloomy wyvern]

From the sounds of things it's about half the size of War Lords of New York

[still juniper]

but new exotics, skills, and content, no?

[jagged prism]

2 new zones, 4 control points

[kind veldt]

welp that was a lot of grinding for today

i really hope to not repeat that tomorrow

[jagged prism]

1 newish skil, but was from div 1 so a return skill

[still juniper]

what is it

[kind veldt]

smart cover

[still juniper]

deployable cover?

[kind veldt]

no

the buff to cover

[jagged prism]

basically you apply it to the cover you're behind or you shoot it at a cover

[still juniper]

what

[kind veldt]

it was in div1

[still juniper]

so its a chemical launcher variant?

[kind veldt]

no

new skill

it looks like sticky launcher tho

[jagged prism]

2 versions. 1 that we saw was giving us Damage to Targets out of Cover the other was more of a buffs your resistence as long as you stayed in that cover

[still juniper]

wait it doesnt even give us straight damage, just dtooc?

the hell div team

[jagged prism]

that DTOOC is going to be strong as hell though 👀

[still juniper]

it better be like, 50% or its gonna be really saddening

[strong zealot]

Hey just returned to the game and working through WONY, I just completed 'The Pentagon' Mission (im lvl 34) And cant seem to find the next Main Mission on my map, anyone know if theres a way I can easily find it?

[jagged prism]

think that was pretty close at skill tier 6 some peopel said

[still juniper]

oh

i still think a launcher/shield thing that deployed new cover would be p cool

make it only last so long but act as actual cover?

[jagged prism]

no that'll never be in div 2. they learned from div 1

[still juniper]

they had deployable cover in div1?

[full zinc]

yeah

[still juniper]

also, why can we not bear an LMG with the flamer shield

[full zinc]

allowed you to get out of the map iirc

[still juniper]

i gaurantee you a flamer is heavier than an lmg

[jagged prism]

div 1 they have that, but they had an extended 2 person cover in it. was used to exploit areas
oh let me throw it at this angel and you'd go places you weren't supposed to

[still juniper]

make it thin so you cant climb on it

[full zinc]

it pushed you, not allowed climbing

[jagged prism]

wasn't climbing
was literally just take move left/rigth and you'd phase through a wall

[still juniper]

make it so it just fades if it lands on top of you

or gime a new shield variant that cna actually use LMG's

[gloomy wyvern]

What was the gearset in div1 that let you use an smg with a shield? Seeing as they are bringing a bunch of stuff back from the first division soon maybe they'll do an homage to that with the crusader shield and LMGs for a gearset

[jagged prism]

d3fence

[still juniper]

honestly? i think we should have more exotics/armor pieces that alter and improve our gear

like that flame sentry armor set

[jagged prism]

lonestar was an LMG based where if you holstered LMG it'd auto reload it for you

[still juniper]

gimme an exotic armor piece for reinforced shields, can now hold MMR's and LMG's, scales health off of red cores at a reduced rate

for the crusader shield or whatever the non-class specific shield is

[kind veldt]

you dont want to let people double dip in DPS and something else

[still juniper]

thats why its at a reduced rate

[kind veldt]

making DPS tanky, and letting tanks have DPS just creates chaos

[still juniper]

this doesnt make dps tanky, it gives a slight amount of survivability, since it only scales at a reduced rate, probably 25% less

[jagged prism]

sent ya DMs with examples of mobile cover glitches in div 1 that people used

[torpid tendon]

Embrace the chaos

[kind veldt]

no i dont want to recreate classified striker or predator again

[still juniper]

to be fair, there are quite a few silly and broken builds, give me LMGshield with red scaling

give me deployable tachanka turret that scales with tech

[torpid tendon]

Oh, they adding deployable cover? I thought it was smart cover.

[still juniper]

no its smart cover

but deployable cover would be so much cooler

[torpid tendon]

We already have the crusader shield, so that would make no sense imo

[jagged prism]

no sleepyboi wants mobile cover but told them, they learned from people using deploy shield to glitch out of maps and stuff. gave them 3 videos showing just that

[still juniper]

crus shield dont let me bear a mighty LMG while being guarded from bullets

cmon div team, gib tachanka turret, gib deployable cover, let me become a sentry nest

[jagged prism]

i like bird shots brain though. bringing D3fence to div 2 would be awesome

[gloomy wyvern]

Tank it with armor on kill or armor regen

[still juniper]

nein, gib shield

[torpid tendon]

I think some lmgs have a built-in shield IRL. An exotic like that would be cool, but I have no idea how to implement and balance that...

[still juniper]

i have two hilarious ideas

[digital hatch]

Did anyone get 999 exo components from the cache ???

[jagged prism]

which cache? i've been only getting 1 per exotic component caches i've obtained

[digital hatch]

From that one some have got max

[still juniper]

give me
A: an exotic that modifies the crusader shield into a deployable cover type thing
B: an exotic/gearset that turns the assault turret into a mounted LMG you can plant down and use, like a weaker minigun stationary

[torpid tendon]

I only got 1

[digital hatch]

I got 1 too one of my mates got 999 so I was trying to see if anyone else got it

[inner elbow]

Some people got it

[digital hatch]

I’m don’t know if it has a drop chance or if it a bug

[dapper atlas]

There have been reports about some people getting that many components. Seems to be a bug.

[torpid tendon]

Oh

[digital hatch]

It’s a big alright cause I was trying to figure out if there is a chance because of the new update to like get players set and stuff

[still juniper]

hows it been isabel

[digital hatch]

A bug*

[jagged prism]

i also haven't gotten many exotic components from the brooklyn caches :/

[dapper atlas]

Constant grind in game and irl. Hbu?

[torpid tendon]

Farming money irl

[jagged prism]

been doing the stretch goal loops huh?

[digital hatch]

To be fair 1k comps isn’t even enough you’ll need 900 for 10 pieces from 12 to 30

I guess 25 expertise for gear is enough

30 just for guns

[still juniper]

i've got one hell of a story to tell, and i'd love to if it wasnt horribly off topic

over the last like, two years, i've had a whole host of misfortunes

[torpid tendon]

I got the oxpecker. Why does this thing even exist? I think the odds of getting a raid exclusive is a 1 in 400.

[eager plover]

Anybody have a hard time getting the new wolf mask?

[jagged prism]

who knows. a dev might've been like "let's give them this exotic that heals their shield but takes it's health at the same time!" and now they're laughing at people who use it, me on a striker build

[torpid tendon]

LoL

[jagged prism]

i feel defiled running striker oxpecker for the master difficulty mission shudders

[gloomy wyvern]

The horror

[dapper atlas]

That's what #off-topic-discussions is for. 🤭

[runic kernel]

server restart oh no are they gonna fix something unintentional that helps players

[strong zealot]

I think I might be bugged, I just started WONY after returning to the game and just completed Pentagon mission, now I have no missions anywhere to start, only level 34, anyone know what I might be doing wrong?

[languid bay]

Yo how do i fix every control point i go to not having allies to call so i can claim it

[wind lynx]

The amount of people buying premium credits for the caches makes me feel concerned.

[jagged prism]

stop being over powered? (> <) no clue honestly. never had that issue

[languid bay]

Wth

So i cant claim control points anymore? And theres no workaround?

[still juniper]

HEY I FINALLY FIXED MY INTERNET

i customized my routers settings and priorities, installed new drivers for both my router and my ethernet port, and now i have 2.5 upload

[dapper atlas]

Have you tried switching your world difficulty and switching it back to see if that resets everything and fixes your issue? No guarantee it'll work, but it's worth a try.

[still juniper]

i went to college for 6 years and got a degree in cybersecurity solely to fix my crummy interent

6 year's ive learned to be able to figure out the issue

[kind veldt]

Black tusk has bloackade on the settlemenr?

[languid bay]

I removed it

I first thought it was a “clear everything else then allies will come in slowly” thing but that didnt work. And im level 38 so i cant reset world tiers :/

Maybe i should do the strongholds and tidal basin first

[still juniper]

hey bird, did they keep doing gearsets like the ring of fire

or is that the only one of its kind, cause i liked its gimmick

[sudden badge]

Any guides on Scout Missions? I’m a returning player and have just started. I’m on Scout 2 now.

[lunar hare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/s/xrb1LyLeDI

I've been using it but Scout 6 Act 1 is super tedious for me, idk why that one feels boring

[sudden badge]

Cheers fella! ❤️

[silent nymph]

So the only good way to get XP is to just do priority strongholds?

[inner elbow]

if you mean season XP: Weekly Scouts, Seasonal Journey, Daily/Weekly Projects and Priority Objectives give Season XP.

[grim verge]

Anyone lucky they got the EB or Ouroboros from the Brooklyn caches?

[grim verge]

I’m going to farm all the Brooklyn caches everyday until I get an Eagle Bearer or Ouroboros myself

[glass rapids]

I got a question guys, a little confused as to how scavenging points will work after dlc. If i have a main character with 6k scavenging points as of now will i get to keep them after dlc and plus the spent points?

[low lily]

Run Incursion once a week also if you want that ouroboros

[dapper atlas]

@sonic marlin Please don't post links to your channel in this server, it's against the #rules Thx!

Consider this your last warning!

[languid bay]

So as im extracting talents and stuff in the library mindlessly bc i forgot how important that lowkey is, these talent bonuses stay on each armor and weapon type intrinsically ?

or passively* for this game

[grim verge]

The Brooklyn caches also have a 0.5% chance to drop the Ouroboros as it was said in the patch notes

[languid bay]

Its all stats you roll into gear thats sick

[tropic sentinel]

Not sure what you are asking exactly, but library simply lets you to apply "learned" talents or attributes to other items, one change per item. They don't work "passively", you must have talent and "stuff" on gear itself for it to work.

[wind lynx]

So did anyone got the exotic raids from the caches?

[pearl pine]

dayum i bought the pass and got a striker backpack with max core and max crit damage

[cerulean lynx]

Just got the pass and the premium stuff is still locked ? Am I missing something

[flat solar]

sorry but i had 2 glove Exos and around 4 from the MP7 Exos...frustrating...

[atomic rapids]

Hey is Brooklyn dropping on the 27th??

[cerulean lynx]

Yep 27th

[atomic rapids]

Thanks

[cerulean lynx]

Just returned to the game if looking for people to play with

[atomic rapids]

Thanks I’m kinda a lone wolf these days ha

[reef geyser]

The price tag for the DLC is crazy but honestly worth it…I hope

[cerulean lynx]

Same here as don't know anyone else playing at the moment

[atomic rapids]

Do you play PvP?

[cerulean lynx]

I'd like to

Did back at launch

[atomic rapids]

I mostly play conflict the dz is way to cheesy for me

[cerulean lynx]

I'm up for anything as only just hit lvl 40

Just finishing up the last DLC in time for new

[atomic rapids]

Oh okay you have some catching up to do , have you done the legacy manhunts?

[cerulean lynx]

Don't think so I'm just at the last boss

Game is a bit overwhelming when returning after years

[atomic rapids]

Last boss? You mean keener liberty island??

[cerulean lynx]

Yep

[atomic rapids]

I’ll help you send me an invite

[cerulean lynx]

OK thanks 😊

[low lily]

I mean one 10% and 1% from bosses sounds kinda better than that 0.5% but that's just my opinion

[tropic sentinel]

But then people play mp games solo nowadays and can't find groups even for basic content.

[low lily]

Well playing solo is always their own choice, also Incursion is soloable

[iron grove]

Whats with the enemies ungodly amount of health regen?

[iron gust]

I can't get an exodus to drop with a 10% chance and people think they're getting the raid exotics 😫

[wild estuary]

Might be the seasonal modifier

[grim verge]

I’m getting them rn

[wind lynx]

Did you got ravenous or eagle?

[sturdy jay]

question anyone got the chances list for getting the exclusive exotic on other difficulty in a manhunt?

[fervent knoll]

I just got Eagle from a cache as a bonus, season lvl 120, already got tons of Exodus gloves, and oxpecker alot of times.

[crisp shore]

how does one find the snitch?

[cerulean lynx]

Thanks for helping @atomic rapids

[tender wave]

There are maps online of his various spawn points, he has a chance of spawning when you get close to one. If he doesn't you can try a different one or just log off and on again and try the same point

[hollow solar]

the chances of getting 999 exotic components in the boxes?

[tender wave]

We don't know, seems to be a bug but I haven't seen anyone establish exactly what triggers it

[inner elbow]

We do, actually

[atomic rapids]

No problem

[inner elbow]

But we just can't say

Probably

[remote pecan]

progression is pretty fast with the 5xXP event, so I wouldn't waste money on that (prio objectivs strongholds are almost like 5 season pass levels on challenging, so 20 in total for the whole pass)
but I wouldn't buy the cosmetics either

[tender wave]

The season ends in less than 3 weeks. Probably better to farm out the free season pass first then only buy the paid track if you get to 100 ok. It's 5x season xp this week so shouldn't take too long

[torpid totem]

how to re roll provocator and birdie's quick fix? cannot find the blueprint

[cold narwhal]

There isn’t one

[torpid totem]

okay thanks

[reef lake]

Hey. I want to get back into game after 2 years. Is it worth starting with new character?

[grim verge]

Not yet, getting EB or Ouroboros first

[cold narwhal]

If you want to make a new one, sure.

If you already have one Id just use that

[stiff crow]

please tell me, does the "Flatline" talent work only for me or for the party? 🤔

[remote pecan]

the pulse applies for the party, but the amplified damage only for those who run the talent on their weapons

[crisp shore]

what would be the closest spawn to the white house?

[reef lake]

@cold narwhal Well i'm not sure how hard it will be to get back to old character

[dense shore]

So after finishing the season pass

After opening maybe 80 or 100 max Brooklyn Caches currently.

2 oxi smgs.....

Ya idk about these stretch caches ☠️

[fervent knoll]

They have been good, Eagle dropped for me

after some levels, you are able to claim all of them at once, i dont know why, but i like it

[dense shore]

You got the eagle?

[fervent knoll]

Yes

[raw minnow]

Well it's what, 0.5% to even have a chance at those

In 100 of those caches, to even get one is a 30.4% chance

[fervent knoll]

It gave me oxpecker, exodus, like 20 times, then eagle dropped

[dense shore]

No bs good stats too?

[raw minnow]

I mean, good stats don't matter lol

[dense shore]

Hmmmm

[dense shore]

True

[fervent knoll]

honestly im trying to get oreo for my bud

but it's a nice gift

[dense shore]

I'm trying to get oro period 🤣

[fervent knoll]

I got mine from Incursion, it was worth the grind

[dense shore]

When the Paradise incursion first released, I spent 6 months straight. No Oro ☠️☠️☠️

[fervent knoll]

oof. I ran it with a bunch of friendly guys from GC rock

[dense shore]

I took over like what a year off

[fervent knoll]

They know it so well you speedrun it basically, took like 20 runs

[dense shore]

In my case I did it with good random groups, but just no Oro ☠️

[fervent knoll]

Keep going agent 😄

[dense shore]

Big F

[dense shore]

After coming back, that Oro better drop for me this time these next 2 weeks LMAO

IDC about the rest, I just want the Oro

Damit the cussing didn't let me send

[fervent knoll]

Yeah it was the only gun I really was looking for too

[dense shore]

Basically F the rest I just want Oro lol

[tropic sentinel]

Just make extra characters and do Incursion 4x a week. Other players usually share too if they have it.

[wind lynx]

The more i think about it the less i am excited.

Open world game but open world activities will barely help the grind, the player is being forced by taking priority nonsense where if he will not like the mission he can abort it only once per hour.

The way how Massive is trying to bait people into buying the skip levels like some.... Gamble almost. Like imagine you will spend tons of real money on it and you will not get the stupid guns. Just gamble.

Also basically doing the SAME content nothing new about it, nothing new added. I dont know, they should name it "chore caches"

[tropic sentinel]

You can cut down abort cooldown up to 4x with multiple characters, but yeah this new season design is overall crap.

[wind lynx]

It is cause the season before you were not forced to play. You could hop in and finish it in a day. It had phenomenal pace and all its rewards were FREE

[kind veldt]

If you do scouts and journey you pretty much have most of tge season done

I was around season lv 90 after finishing the manhunt mission

No priority objectives

[wind lynx]

What about people not wanna doing the journey? Since it is also restrictive doing certain specific things and it is unfun.

Why the open world activities are not the main muscle?

[kind veldt]

They so give season xp

And they made the journey easier on the PTS for the next season

[surreal hawk]

So you just want to do the bare minimum but get all the rewards in 1 day? That would be absolutely boring

It's the same as any other game like destiny

[wind lynx]

I never said that. But thank you for putting words into my mouth.

[surreal hawk]

If anything division 2 pass is a lot quicker than other games to complete

[tropic sentinel]

I think what he wants is being able to level up by doing tings you like doing.

[surreal hawk]

You can tho?

[wind lynx]

Thank you

[tropic sentinel]

Which is how it worked in the past.

[kind veldt]

Its not as fast as before, but you get seasonal XP from doing open world stuff

[wind lynx]

You could do anything and you were leveling up in a good pace.

[iron gust]

There's a 5x season XP event rn so it's quick to complete the pass doing whatever you want

[wind lynx]

Yeah but would you recommended it over the priority journey stuff?

[tropic sentinel]

I mostly play raids. I'm season lvl ~10 and whatever is in journey, so I don't think you can. At least they should re-enable modifiers in raids as an option.

[kind veldt]

Are you ignoring the game until the season is on the last couple of weeks?

Each season scout gives you around 2,7k season XP

There were 11 weeks

So you get roughly 30 levels by doing the minimal scouts

[wind lynx]

I didnt played division in like year or what and the game barely went forward with any new interesting content. At the end of the day i am still doing open world stuff over anything else. Most of what was released feels like some placeholder than a new content

[kind veldt]

If you decide to do them in the x5 event

Thats over 100 leves just doing the basic to get climax mission

[surreal hawk]

I understand but I really didn't find it that bad to complete the pass if I'm going to be honest and as I said games like destiny and other games that has passes is alot slower

[wind lynx]

There is no push to do the scouts. I always like the story but after fast and furious dead characters alive they butchered it so brutally.

[kind veldt]

Okay let me ask you this, have you finished all scouts this season?

[wind lynx]

I didnt even one scout lol. I watch the rng videos he does the story videos and to be honest i dont see that i am missing anything

[kind veldt]

Well for once you are missing one way to get fast season XP by doing open world activities like before weekly

Add the x5 event right now

You can get to 100 in less than a day

[wind lynx]

I am at level 90 today i will hop into 100

[grand blade]

FFrogsS 🙄 #news-and-announcements message

[elfin hazel]

need all the people who constantly go off about devs being the greediest people ever in the chat rn role call time

slot machine DISABLED

[pliant sentinel]

but one priority obj on heroic mission is one level up

do i need to own the season pass to buy levels?

[ebon steeple]

they just turned off level buying

[grand blade]

Can't buy levels anymore...

[pliant sentinel]

oh no wonder i cant see it

back to priority obj

[tender wave]

Guess they don't want to run a p2w game

[ebon steeple]

wonder if that includes the $30 pack with 20 tiers

[ebon steeple]

wait til div 3

[tropic sentinel]

Probably someone just forgot to code that option in and gonna get fired.

[elfin hazel]

I have to grind in my game about grinding?????????? damm........

[ebon steeple]

whales are a huge source of money in this genre

[cunning anchor]

How dare i grind on division 😮

[elfin hazel]

sometimes I wonder if I'm a whale for this game

[surreal hawk]

Hopefully i can just complete a mission on challenging and get the EB without any effort

[elfin hazel]

I like this new event because I think offering items like this is probably the best way to keep people playing

[ebon steeple]

i like it cuz if i get 999 exotic components i can get more dumb stuff to exp 30

[elfin hazel]

L30 revive hive 🔥

[broken moth]

Hey, I was curious on how I'd get max bar attributes, do I just have to get lucky to find a piece of gear with a max attribute or do I have to improve it somehow?

[elfin hazel]

get lucky or optimize

[jagged canyon]

The new hunter models from the climax mission look pretty sick. Really getting me hyped for what will appear in brooklyn

[broken moth]

How do I optimize an attribute?

[ebon steeple]

it was hard to see em, every public group run its just hiding 100 ft from them

[tropic sentinel]

Play stuff on higher difficulty and get better rolls.

[stoic bane]

You can look at them after they're dead.

[keen osprey]

To be honest it was entirely broken. For every 100 credits I was getting like 17 caches.

[jagged canyon]

I'd love to see more variation in types of hunters tho. They are all kinda reskins except for wright

[elfin hazel]

tinkering bench/menu > tinkering > select item > optimize (hold x)

[surreal hawk]

Countdown is probably the best mode to play to get really good gear on herioc

[ebon steeple]

pretty sure u were just getting a very lucky bug

[broken moth]

Alright, thanks

[keen osprey]

I never managed to get any of the 999 exotic components though 🥲

[tropic sentinel]

Heroic in countdown is kind of a gamble tho. Unless you host yourself and filter out players.

[ebon steeple]

yeah idk how ppl said they were getting 999 components several times in a row, kinda seems unfair to everyone else

[jagged canyon]

What's the % for raid exotics in those brooklyn caches again?

[elfin hazel]

0.5%

[ebon steeple]

0.5%

[keen osprey]

For me, I'm already at 28 on my main weapons but for anyone stuck very far behind it would have been a nice boost. Someone said it takes 780 comps to get 6 pieces of gear and one weapon from 13 to 28

[elfin hazel]

I got it at least twice

[jagged canyon]

Hmmm well 200 bucks in and so far I haven't got 1 yet

[elfin hazel]

house winning too much 💔

[keen osprey]

Hello, I hate you😫

[elfin hazel]

messed up

[ebon steeple]

which is why we need faster sources of components but they're taking mules out instead

[tropic sentinel]

Levelling gear to 28 is a total waste tbh.

[keen osprey]

Amen !!

[jagged canyon]

I did expertise the new gear and brand set, named items and almost finished the oxpecker without having fired a single bullet with it

[still juniper]

Hey after the ring of fire gearset, did they do any other skill altering sets

[surreal hawk]

Yeah it's a gamble, majority of the time you get good teams but do run into bad performing teams time for time

[still juniper]

Ring of fire was hilarious

[jagged canyon]

And did get a pair of maxed out exodus gloves

Anyway back to the grind. 1 day eagle bearer shall be mine

[rapid prawn]

Under the hood, Wright is just a reskinned Outcast Tank (the guy with the sledgehammer) but yeah some new stuff would be nice. I think a new hunter archetype could be cool, but not sure the current team can do it. Last time someone asked about new factions/enemies I kind of got the impression from Yannick's response that they aren't able to do it.

[elfin hazel]

I think its just that theres not much more to do faction wise in this game

[jagged canyon]

Shame

[elfin hazel]

we've got everything and adding new ones would probably just overlap in ideas

[rapid prawn]

Yeah that's fair too

[jagged canyon]

Tho the new team technically did make a new warhound variant

Sparkle shall haunt my days

[elfin hazel]

2 criminals gangs 2 guys who burn stuff 2 military guys

[wind lynx]

You guys are right they disabled it. Kudos to them, taking back what i have said regarding that

[still juniper]

Ones more of a pmc faction but point stands

[jagged canyon]

Don't forget the underground and the ambushers

[surreal hawk]

And a few division watches added to the model

[elfin hazel]

those guys too

[surreal hawk]

There's some on his leg

[elfin hazel]

couldnt figure out how to link BT & TS together more accurately so I just went for the biggest tent option

[still juniper]

Hey drib, after the "ring of fire" gearset that modded the incin turret, did any other sets like that come around

[wind lynx]

How was the last man batallion in first game?

[elfin hazel]

I don't think so

[jagged canyon]

But I would like more hunters like wright. Imagine a duo hunter fight. 1 regular hunter and 1 tank hunter attack you at once

[elfin hazel]

they sure were PMCs in white gear!

[still juniper]

That's truly unfortunate, we need more entertaining gimmick sets

[elfin hazel]

I like how they look but I don't get the hype for them

[low lily]

Well statistically speaking you need average 200 time to open the box the get it

[kind veldt]

I think hunter could work as bosses, but making them archtypes kinda breaks too much the mold

[wind lynx]

Pmc enemies in games are always cool. Sentinels, replicas, usec

[rapid prawn]

Wright? Yeah his skin/outfits is totally different but the AI and animations are the Outcast Tank. The underground chainsaw guy is the same. You can actually see him holding an invisible sledgehammer a lot of the time

[kind veldt]

The more there are hunters the less special they are

[surreal hawk]

Ohhh i didn't know that

[wind lynx]

Are the underground dudes the canninals from the audio vlogs?

[jagged canyon]

Hmm well then statistically speaking I'm half way there

[spare cove]

I thought they're considered less special since we learned who they are