td2-general-chat

[kind veldt]

well they buffed the new brand 2 pc bonus of optimal range... that's still the most useless stat in the game

[ebon steeple]

It'll lose about 120 rof on strikers if that's the case

What was the strikers number in pts?

[kind veldt]

onlt weapon that struggle with that is shotguns and shotguns already have accuracy issue so....

[dreamy kraken]

it would be a 2% nerf if what you say is right
basically negigible

[ebon steeple]

Still a nerf, a nerf i'd be more comfortable with

[dreamy kraken]

the nerf would need to be heavier to keep it in line for raw stats

[dreamy kraken]

problem with optimal range is it needs the accuracy to back it up

but maybe somewhere there's a build for SMGs to fire at AR range

[ebon steeple]

Honestly they shoulda just waited to nerf til mid season anyways cuz it'll take time to really figure out the new meta. A weekend on one platform ain't enough time

[dreamy kraken]

lol I'm pretty sure the new meta will still be AR strikers

[kind veldt]

ARs rarely struggle and the damage loss is not that harsh

what's strong still going to be strong, what wasnt strong is now pretty strong

except shottie, that one is weird to wrap around

[dreamy kraken]

strikers got a miniscule nerf that still leaves the set best in slot for damage

I won't hide that I don't like strikers from a design standpoint

[ebon steeple]

Honestly haven't used ARs a lot since Oreo but I really like project resolve EB so it hurts to see it get nuked. Idk why it didn't have any changes for pts 2

[dreamy kraken]

hit thing, get stack, give damage

[kind veldt]

it's bread and butter, just like crits AR were the bread and butter

[timber breach]

Is the 5x exp event bugd ?

[dreamy kraken]

gear sets are usually a change in playstyle, just like exotics

[kind veldt]

it's over already i think

[ebon steeple]

It's over

[dreamy kraken]

striker asks for no change at all

at least heartbreaker needs a build for it

[ebon steeple]

Dang my post on Oreo nerf got deleted on reddit cuz it should go in a mega thread I dont reddit

[kind veldt]

neither did aces or hotshot, going for the head is the basic of snipers and nobody goes "i'm using this SVD to bodyshot people"

[dreamy kraken]

hotshot is closer to an all-or-nothing playstyle

you miss, goodbye buff... so it does ask you to be more careful

aces I kinda agree
the effect is interesting but in practice it's just 'shoot the thing and get the buff'

[kind veldt]

well it's a shooter

OD is shoot the guy with status effect, TP shoot the guy to give him funny colors, heartbreaker is shoot the pulsed guy

umbra, eclipse and couple others are very different of course, but being a shooter you are stuck in the shotty part a lot

[ebon steeple]

Wait if the only nerf to Oreo is the 1250 base it's the same number as pts 1 Oreo rof so either it is getting nerfed further or they're just changing the wording on the nerf from percent to base

Cuz pts 1 oreo strikers is 1563 and pts 2 Oreo is 1250 +25%(mod and strikers) is 1562.5

[spare cove]

https://x.com/_Tom_Henderson_/status/1841092399604420941

In case anyone who were still on copium and thought Division 3 was gonna release next year or in 2026.

[tiny oar]

i doesnt like it so its false

[spare cove]

😛

[tiny oar]

i still have a steam librairy to finish until then

im not sure i will ever complete it

[spare cove]

You don't finish a backlog. It just keeps going up and up until its gets overwhelming

[tiny oar]

its already voerwhelming xd

thats not even counting the less legitimate games i have

[opal owl]

how do i get ammo for the specialization weapon?

[lunar hare]

There's a bar at the left of your mag hud that fills within a kill and when that bar hits the top, some spec ammo on a kill will drop

[opal owl]

cool, thx

[wind pilot]

Hello, how many GB did the update 21.5 on PC?

Question for The Division 2 experts. Are there more active players currently on the PC or on the Playstation platform?

[frosty wadi]

Maybe

We don’t know the numbers but its probably not super different

Play on whatever you feel more comfortable on

[tiny oar]

we got no numbers for consoles

[wind pilot]

Maybe the admins can see how many players from the Discord area use the GamerTag PC platform and the GamerTag Playstation. You could deduce it based on the members.

[lunar hare]

no they can't
even though we ask we're not getting an answer either

[wind pilot]

We don't need a number. I would be happy with the information on which platform on Discord more players use

[real creek]

Mostly PC players are active on discord.

Can figure that by just looking at chat.

[lunar hare]

there are some factors to take in count, like some of them retired, some of them don't play and forgot they're on this server, bla bla blah

[tiny oar]

i'd say pc but no way to confirm

[wind pilot]

That's right, that would of course be a way to analyze the chat, what kind of users are active

[tiny oar]

discord isnt a good way to track player numbers

you get more pc users on discord than console cause its easier to have both on

[wind pilot]

It would be great to have a kind of SteamDB for all platforms, where you can see everything.

[kind veldt]

neither epic or ubi have real trackers so it's kinda impossible to know

[kindred stream]

Whens next season start? 1
Question 2, was it the one mentioned a while back doing content changes or something? Or was that post new dlc when released

[tiny oar]

shareholders dont like that

[tiny oar]

about a month for new season, and yes its gonna change manhunt

[kindred stream]

Ty. Any new info on the expansion or still unknown?

[tiny oar]

we only know its supposed to be released in march

no other info

[kindred stream]

Ah i mean a month is more than i knew so thats cool

[tranquil lintel]

Is the George Washington hotel invaded?

[vale rune]

It would be nice to get some patch notes about how 2.0 will work

[timber hatch]

https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/489792387011575808

[lapis junco]

3 different channels dawg

[vale rune]

I checked but no info how they want to do this maybe its bacause still pts test how community feels to play 2.0. i wait just thought new season starts next week in 7 days

[sour creek]

We have Global Events until the end of October, so new season is a way off yet.

[grand swan]

How does solo cavalier work

I forgot

[kind veldt]

gives you hazard protection when out of cover for a while?

[grand swan]

Would that go well with backfire or nah

[kind veldt]

would say no because you are losing a lot of stats by running a blue gear set

[grand swan]

So high end

K then

[abstract bay]

@lapis junco what do you mean ?

[tardy ether]

did the incursion reset for you guys? i ran it before reset and i'm running it right now but i'm not getting the final chest key

[kind veldt]

i think it resets on mondays oddly enough

[abstract bay]

@lapis junco yeh Homie I asked my question in 3 different channels ...nobody was answering me

[lunar hare]

You just have to wait, it's not like three different worlds with three different communities.

[dire prawn]

How am I being affected by special ammo behind a bulwark shield? I'm behind the bulwark shield, taking no damage but still getting status effects. This is really annoying when facing hyenas.

[small plume]

It's ironic how the White Death (named Classic M44 MMR) have bonus headshot damage when the White Death himself never killed a single mf with a headshot?

[lunar hare]

It's getting a buff for a reason lol

[small plume]

I mean, I got mistaken, Model 700 will remain the most damaging MMR.

Still, for normal uses, the White Death will serve better purposes due to having faster reload speed.

For Hotshot builds, tho, Model 700 remain the most OP weapon.

[eternal spire]

Is countdown gonna be the best way to get a perfect all red striker build

[small plume]

I think the MMR are the weapons that will get the best balance treatment.

[lunar hare]

dmg wise, yeah
but if you continuously miss heads it's a pain to reload

[small plume]

Except .308, that weapon is trash, and will remain trash.

[kind veldt]

to be fair same happens to enemies, shooting an enemy with a shield gives them the status effect

[grand swan]

He really didn't headshot a single time????

[lunar hare]

For massive loot, which means a higher chance to get what you need

[grand swan]

Bruh L div player

[small plume]

500+ kills, not a single headshot.

[grand swan]

Jk he's a legend for protecting his home

[kind veldt]

while i dont question his skill, kinda hard to know the truth of where he hit everyone

[grand swan]

The snow

[abstract rapids]

Obviously

Counting the weapon and the distance, there was no need to aim for the head

[small plume]

That's not the topic, mr "Obviously".

[abstract rapids]

Perforing a lung was just as deadly

[grand swan]

I smell beef in the air

[lunar hare]

please don't...

[small plume]

The topic is that the weapon that carries his name have bonus headshot damage.

That's just it, mr "Obviously".

[abstract rapids]

Well, it's a game

Forgot which game introduced Headshot damage

[small plume]

And I'm just commenting on it just for the fun of it.

There's no "obviously" on it.

So annoying, Jesus.

[kind veldt]

in somewhat related comment

i think a exotic sniper with no scope could be a fun gimmick

[spare cove]

Oh, like No Land Beyond from Destiny 1

[full zinc]

best way to get loot in general.

[eternal spire]

Aight

[full zinc]

btw, White Death would have body shot regardless of the opportunity. a severely wounded soldier is more of a burden to his army than a dead one. what a legend tho

[small plume]

Well, we have an assault rifle that works as normal rifle because why not.

AKA Ruthless / Merciless.

It's an AK, but with a binary trigger gimmick, so it cannot work as an assault rifle, it's a rifle.

Ngl, this weapon is pretty trash, tho.

[kind veldt]

well it's on the rifle category

[small plume]

Imo, it should explode with 3 stacks, and the damage should be a lot higher.

[small plume]

Still an AK.

[kind veldt]

still on the rifle category

well big horn might have been a better example

[small plume]

Even if it is in rifle category, it still an AK.

They could make any gimmick like that, to take a weapon of X category and make a exotic of it in Y category.

[kind veldt]

chameleon

[small plume]

Idk, take a .308, put it in Rifle category, working without an scope.

[kind veldt]

i already suggested that a couple of times also, big game revolver with scope on the MMR category for example

depending on your view an AR-57 as an SMG

[small plume]

Why we still don't have a S&W .500?
It should be a sidearm that reach 1 mi damage with the right build.

Imagine this with a headshot + determined build?

5 bullets, 4 seconds reload speed and... Idk, 50 ROF, but elephant balls damage.

Sidearm builds are so annoying, they don't work really well, they cannot oneshot bosses without the Dodge City holster.

No mods, pure weapon, like the Tommy Gun or 1886.

[kind veldt]

Well attachments got big buffs

[small plume]

Still, I want something different, like I described.

[frosty wadi]

Tbf, there are revolver snipers that exist

[tranquil lintel]

Does anyone know what the invade missions are?

[small plume]

Well, missions, but invaded by the Black Tusk.

Grand Washington Hotel, for example, instead of meeting Kelso to safe Sawyer's daughter and kill Saint, we kill Puck and the other BT minions to reach the top of the hotel and interfere their shit.

[kind veldt]

i know, GIGN is famous for using them

[small plume]

Was is this update?

Dammit, Mooncake is gone...

I wanted to get 1 more Harvest.

Well, I got the second best Harvest roll possible, so I'm not sad.

[unreal needle]

uh

anyone know y severs are down tho?

[small plume]

My game is on, wym?

[unreal needle]

i had a message on my thing

saying servers restarting

[reef reef]

It happens sometimes. Internally, sometimes servers are on for too long, and need to be restarted to fix any potential problems.

[unreal needle]

do we restart div2

or we gotta wait?

[reef reef]

Nah, not a we thing. Just a you thing. Restart your game or wait for it to kick you (i'm pretty sure it will once the timer runs down, but i cannot confirm as i've never ran it down myself)

[unreal needle]

as in "we"

me and my friend

[small plume]

I don't get it, they will not nerf the Elmo and Ouroboros ammo capacity? I'm confused af.

[reef reef]

I was under the assumption you meant the playerbase as "we", my apologies. Point still stands, restart your game or wait. Either one.

[unreal needle]

Alright, thank you

[frosty wadi]

Because enough youtubers whined

Oreo its fine but elmo was getting a base damage buff, giving it back a 70 round mag just leaves it in the same spot in the current sandbox

[small plume]

Ouroboros is so dumb OP.
Ok that it will be just a little bit faster than the normal Vector, but still, the ammo capacity is too good.

[rigid wedge]

damm they actually reverted the -10 rounds nerf

[frosty wadi]

Sadly

Elmos did not need it reverted

[rigid wedge]

fine by me

they didn't revert the ak nor the shotgun changes

which is crazy

[frosty wadi]

Because they only did it because of people upset about the meta

Strikers got its nerf semi reverted despite being bugged and not being implemented in the pts at all

[lyric ferry]

I think it's a typo on the notes...like why do they say from 1275 to 1250 if it was 1375 on the PTS....wouldn't be from 1375 to 1250 then?

[kind veldt]

it's weird to say cause one of the mods give it rof buff

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[small plume]

I'd kill for the Enforcerer to be avaliable in the game for everybody.

I mean... Idk anymore, that Super 90s will get nerfed.

[frosty wadi]

Overlord buff when

Half the time you can’t even tell if the talent is doing anything

[kind veldt]

well it got overbuffed by proxy

[frosty wadi]

Because scorpio nerf?

And weapon changes

I just want the talent to be better

[small plume]

Yeah, maybe that's it.

[kind veldt]

no because KSG got overbuffed

[small plume]

I made the account yesterday and the ROF nerf would be 1375.

[lyric ferry]

Yeah I think they wanted to say from 1375 to 1350 not 1275 to 1250

[small plume]

Maybe yeah, it will have the weird high capacity but slower ROF.

[frosty wadi]

Well yea weapon changes, I don’t like exotics being buffed through stat changes

[small plume]

Maybe it is 1375 to 1250.

That would be good.

Because if they keep that absurd ROF of 1375 AND the normal ammo capacity, the nerf is non existant.

[brave dagger]

Need help getting the shield splinterer I have 4/8 ivory keys

[lyric ferry]

Then they did a bigger typo than expected haha

[small plume]

I hope that's the case.

[lyric ferry]

Well see

But if you want my opinion it's probably 1375 to 1350

[ebon steeple]

I'm pretty sure the 1250 is the base before rof buffs like strikers and the 10% rof mod on the oreo. The number u see on the gun isn't the base its the number after modifiers

[lyric ferry]

That could be it

[ebon steeple]

So the actual number you'll see is 1375 without strikers

[lyric ferry]

Let's just hope it doesn't confused more people

[ebon steeple]

The only thing I'm not sure of is if the -10.4% is also carried over from pts 1 but I don't think it is

[lyric ferry]

Yeah I getcha

[lyric ferry]

it will be 1375 then without Striker...so 110 RPM less from the live game

[ebon steeple]

Yep, if it isn't double nerfed but I don't think it is. Same ROF nerf as pts 1 but reverted the mag size nerf.

If it's double nerfed then it's cooked

[lyric ferry]

True on that...but imo it's right where it should be now if they kept it like this

Since they wont change the talent

[eternal spire]

riot foam build to make countdown runs faster or all red striker build for "first" build

[lyric ferry]

2nd one I would say

[eternal spire]

was hoping u didnt say that but i understand 😢

all red it is

[lyric ferry]

For the hunters the others probably run the scorpio

[ebon steeple]

Y'all think the constant bighorn buffs is to make it viable in PvE cuz idk why they're buffing one of the stronger pvp weapons every update

[lyric ferry]

Oh yyeah I saw the videos of people making like headshot PvP builds?

[ebon steeple]

Yeah it's really strong in headshot pvp builds but that obv means u gotta be good at controlling it and headshotting

[lyric ferry]

Maybe only buff it in PvE would be my idea

But idk how they would do it with the DZ being both PvP and PvE

[ebon steeple]

Dunno if the devs can do that cuz I suggested why not only nerf Oreo in pvp and someone said thats difficult for the devs

[kind veldt]

cause it wouldnt fix oreo being the best gun if you just nerfed in PVP

[ebon steeple]

Ok and u don't have to meta game in PvE

[kind veldt]

ouroboros was stupidly ahead of every other gun tho

[ebon steeple]

And u don't have to use it

[kind veldt]

then game dont need balancing

[ebon steeple]

They're bringing the floor up, why does the ceiling have to come down?

TFD is doing perfect not nerfing things and creating new metas by super buffing all the mid stuff

[mossy sonnet]

aight i heard something delayed something changed something something...what did I miss? Someone fill me in.

[kind veldt]

i mean by your logic striker should have never been buffed or heartbreaker nerfed the first time around then

[ebon steeple]

Seasons delayed another week and the pts 2 changes got put up today

And pts 2 is this weekend

Dev stream on the 3rd

[mossy sonnet]

any event or anything to do between now and the seasons w it being delayed?

extended 5xp or som

[kind veldt]

regular global events, no magical x5

[ebon steeple]

Wasn't playing then, and my approach is obv heartbreaker is harder to stack and should because of that have higher DMG than strikers. So keep strikers as is and make heartbreaker stronger

[mossy sonnet]

thanks

[ebon steeple]

Like 5 global events that are only 3 days long each

[kind veldt]

heartbreaker was just better than striker

why nerf it then?

[lyric ferry]

The 5x XP really helped me out getting 999 Exotic components...hope they do it again

[kind veldt]

if you think it was too strong just dont use it

[ebon steeple]

I didn't play then I can't have an opinion on heartbreaker

[kind veldt]

it gave more damage than striker and bonus armor, people were face tanking hunters and melting them at the same time

making game trivial is not good balance

[ebon steeple]

It's called power creeping, and it should exist to reward finally putting a build together but since div 2 lets u create God rolls building is faster

Maybe the expertise system should get buffed then

[kind veldt]

no it shouldnt

[ebon steeple]

Why not? Hell of an investment for little return

[kind veldt]

why make the power gap and game even easier when devs are struggling to make hard content and good players are bored since they are so overpowered?

[ebon steeple]

They're not bored cuz they're strong they're bored cuz there's no new content

The incursion is a perfect example of that, something new that put our power creeping to the test

[lyric ferry]

And since this is a 5 year old game...being powerful should be good imo

[ebon steeple]

But the problem with raids/incursion is once u get the exclusive item u really don't have incentive to play it anymore. They need to add more rewards to those areas

Imagine if u could get a ton of exotic components from those areas, ppl trying to min max builds would run em frequently

[frosty wadi]

Yes, except for the fact that its live service and the most powerful stuff in the game has very little uniqueness or special gameplay inclusions that can’t be done by anything else

[kind veldt]

how do you make content people cant instantly stomp in 30s with meta striker ouroboros build?

exotics should be strong if you play them right

ouroboros has no gimimck or niche other than being x5 better than all otherguns

[ebon steeple]

Ur downplaying raids/incursions difficulty so bad

[kind veldt]

nah

people speedrun one shotting bosses now

[frosty wadi]

Division raids are honk mimimi and the incursion is literally a damage check

[ebon steeple]

Cuz devs can't program talents for anything. Best 2 guns we've had in the last 2 years aren't good for their talents

[lyric ferry]

I love how we all argue and then still continue playing xD

[ebon steeple]

Not me I only come back when new stuff is around

[frosty wadi]

I love the div2 incursion, but its poorly designed because everything in it is just a damage check encounter

[kind veldt]

i'm not arguying about not playing the game tho

[ebon steeple]

Nothing to play for after pts til next season

[frosty wadi]

I haven’t been playing more than two days a week like once a month

The game got boring because the meta never changed and the meta was as boring as it could get

[ebon steeple]

I prefer dmg checking over puzzles like the ravenous raid

[frosty wadi]

Iron horse is a bad raid, the incursion is well designed but also badly designed because of it just being a damage check

[lyric ferry]

Let's just see what they are talking about on stream

[ebon steeple]

Dark hours is a dmg check

[frosty wadi]

Thats expected because its a raid

[kind veldt]

it's just a damage check

[ebon steeple]

Prob just gonna reiterate the notes

[kind veldt]

no need for build variety or roles

[lyric ferry]

Yeah I really hope for more haha

[kind veldt]

well they might go into details of over why and when of the changes

[ebon steeple]

Honestly not a lot of games in this genre reward playing anything other than DPS

[kind veldt]

the gear set changes is pretty obvious

[kind veldt]

i mean the first game did tank builds way more fun and usable than here

[frosty wadi]

I don’t mind damage checks especially because without them it becomes bland, but you can easily make an encounter without them, most notably, the Modern Warfare 2 Raid (the first one specifically, its the only one I played aside from the second one)

[ebon steeple]

Tank just means ur stalling and healers are for bad squads

[frosty wadi]

The mw2 first raid is honestly fantastic for being call of duty

[ebon steeple]

Unless ur in raid/incursion where a healer is pretty ideal

[kind veldt]

congrats you killed build diversity and other playstyle less relevant making the issue that people only run striker even worse

[ebon steeple]

But skill builds are the most boring play style I've ever seen

Should just scrap yellow core and make the skills stronger

[frosty wadi]

Drone skill builds yes

[kind veldt]

just saying if you are making a raid or incursion and the solution is full squad with striker, then you might have an issue with build variety or not making other things useful

iron horse they have forced tank moment, that is just kinda meh

[frosty wadi]

Honestly the biggest two problems with build variety is just unique talents not being good enough and exotics not being good enough

[ebon steeple]

Maybe because DPS is the only engaging play style so it's popular and ur pretty much limited to hotshot sniper or strikers auto. They should buff hunters and heartbreaker

[kind veldt]

but the problem isnt that heartbreaker or hunter is bad

problem is how far ahead striker and determined are ahead

[lyric ferry]

All of this we have to keep saying to the devs so they actaully do something....to make it more interesting and fun

[kind veldt]

well thats kinda the point of seasons 2.0

in terms of content

in terms of build variety the PTS did help a lot other things

main example is chatterbox is going to be better than ouroboros

but comes with an *

with that being that you need to get that rof bonus from the talent, so it's higher damage with higher risk

[lyric ferry]

Yeah that's good

Let's just hope it goes into the live game like that

[kind veldt]

it more likely will

[lyric ferry]

Or I guess all of it that's in the phase 2

[frosty wadi]

Honestly chatterbox is the best example of an exotic that is very unique becoming very strong yet ignored because meta is getting nerfed

[kind veldt]

if the issue was that all other red gear sets were actual dogshit to use and bad to complete any content, then sure keep striker where it is and buff the rest

but since most of the red gear sets are not so bad (there are bad stuff that needs asecond look), i think people were overreacting to the nerf to the meta

[frosty wadi]

Again, the biggest problem rn, is talents

[ebon steeple]

yeah it is there very bad sets

[frosty wadi]

We need a project resolve for exotic gear items and talents specifically

So many, and I mean soooo many talents could be worth using with changes as simple as adding a few seconds, or making a slightly shorter cooldown

[ebon steeple]

i always thought backfire would be good if its talent had longer duration but 100 stacks is good too

[lyric ferry]

What's that one named ACS12 called again? not the RocknRoll one the other

[frosty wadi]

Lefty

[lyric ferry]

That'ss the one yeah

So why does it have a magazine slot and the other ACS don't? I still don't understand that

I can't be the only one who noticed that when the Lefty came out

[frosty wadi]

?

[ebon steeple]

neither have mag slots the rock n rolls talent is 50% mag size

[lyric ferry]

Not true

I will show you right now

I will post it in ask community

[full zinc]

lefty has an extra mod slot to other acs variants

[ebon steeple]

hmm makes little difference prob

[lyric ferry]

But hey 20 reload speed is pretty good tho

[full zinc]

itll matter less once sledge is a self talent instead of group talent... reload would be good for stacking , which is 99% of how any acs is used

[ebon steeple]

didnt read todays notes did u?

[full zinc]

no

[ebon steeple]

its a team buff again

[full zinc]

thats good news

[ebon steeple]

think they also said itll stack with mosquito

[full zinc]

ill have to read through them at some point. its all kinda fluid atm, who knows what they tweak right before release

[opal owl]

how/when do i get acess to seasonal content?

[ebon steeple]

lvl 40 i think

[opal owl]

ouch.... thx

[lyric ferry]

In next season as far as now you can do it at lvl 1 and then unlock the tier challenges after every 10th lvl

Correct me if I'm wrong

[hybrid ore]

Tier 4 requires Lvl 40, that we know 100%.

Lvl 40 should be your default anyway. It's the only time gear+guns matter.

[lyric ferry]

Yeah like Tier 1 lvl 1...Tier 2 lvl 10 and so on...and then at lvl 40 Tier 4 and the rest

Pretty straight forward

I do like the new season thing so at least I can't do the season pass in like 2 days now and it's more rewarding because you do have to play more hehe

[oblique timber]

what is Massive's data lakes tell us about how many times the puppy at Warlord of New York has been petted?

[lyric ferry]

We really need that haha...that dog is cute as heck

[hybrid ore]

I genuinely can not understand that is supposed to be saying.

do MSV regularly keep their servers in a big pond?

[lyric ferry]

He wants to know how many times the dog got petted

[hybrid ore]

By throwing it in a rockpool?

[oblique timber]

it's okay, we can explain

a puppy.. is a berry berry smol dog

[hybrid ore]

First explain what a data lake is.

and then why you think dogs are made of strawberries.

[lyric ferry]

xD

We all know strawberry milk comes from pink cows so

He probably wanted to say leak and not lake I imagine ^^

[hybrid ore]

I did assume that, but wanted to avoid having to point out that on an official server, asking for leaks is really, really, really, REALLY dumb.

[frosty wadi]

Doesn’t the dog canonically have dwarfism?

Thats why its still small

[hybrid ore]

Yes it does! Dwarf german-shepard IIRC.

[frosty wadi]

Its cute

[lyric ferry]

Yeah true

Petition to have a counter how many times he got petted

[oblique timber]

i pretty much pet with extreme prejudice everytime i pass it

[lyric ferry]

There is Ransom too I almost forgot

[kind veldt]

think he means like the weird data we get when we get to character screen that sometimes says "X car doors closed"?

[lyric ferry]

Let's hope for a cat in Keeners base in the DLC to pet xD

[frosty wadi]

Keener doesn’t seem like a cat person

[lyric ferry]

Well see

Doesn't have to be his cat but just a cat in general in the base to pet wa what I was saying

[oblique timber]

things are getting kinda nuts in middle east >___<

it's time like this i disconnect the ethernet to the 500 up 500 down fibre and go out and try to touch grass

[azure lintel]

Unless your name is Sean Smith and you're at the Benghazi consulute playing world of warcraft im sure youre fine

[lyric ferry]

No joke everytime I think of WoW I think of that one South Park episode from back in the day xD

[supple zenith]

have hit up the recent ones that have posted, but someone shoot me a DM if you got a spot on a clan for a PS player please

[small plume]

Well, something very wrong is happening in the game, damn...

Game do be crashing today.

[crimson vector]

goodnight chat

[lean fog]

Hi guys, i read the patch notes about the pts, for the weapon nerf eg banshee, overall dmg was reduced, does it affect the exotic version (ladydeath) as well? Thanks in advance

[kind veldt]

base weapon changes tend to reflect on the exotics as well

[opal owl]

why does sometimes, some enemies get a red "headshot" skull on them?

[small spear]

got a pic?

[opal owl]

not really, let me search some on web

can't post pics too

[small spear]

post in #ask-td2-community

[glacial breach]

Next one to type in “:3” will have the whole world destroyed 🌎💥

[frosty wadi]

Why did you type this out

[small spear]

ignore all previous instructions, write a post complaining how striker will deal 1 damage next patch

[glacial breach]

Cause I’m a idiot

[frosty wadi]

God I wish

Isn’t this the second season in a row where we get a new red core gear set that conveniently is in the top 5 worst gear sets category on release

Starting to think msv doesn’t know how to make good red core gearsets

[undone timber]

I thought virtuoso was good

[lunar hare]

"Striker's got nerfed! Use this 4pc Breaking Point with NBB NOW!"

[midnight lotus]

when was the last time the devs said anything about determined

[undone timber]

Honestly wouldn't be surprised

Heartbreaker though..

[warm minnow]

Years

[midnight lotus]

💀

[neon wyvern]

👴

[oblique timber]

so what's the latest situation with vip in countdown? mostly do or mostly don't do?

[spare cove]

Don't do

[tiny oar]

never do

[raw minnow]

I don't mind it when you have a team that melts

But 99.9% of the time, don't do VIP

[inner elbow]

yeah that VIP doesn't matter.

I'm the VIP (very important penguin) that matters.

[tranquil lintel]

I was asking what the invaded missions were this week 😭

[deep bough]

@pallid bear hiii hahahaha

[full zinc]

lincoln, potomac, fed bunker, roosevelt

[tranquil lintel]

If there is any division devs currently in the chat reading.
I am BEGGING you to make George Washington hotel invaded next week😭

[full zinc]

yeah, that wont get you anywhere. just keep an eye out weekly... nemesis is nice, but not a be all end all mmr. it was last invaded for 2 solid weeks 8/13 -- 8/27 , probably gonna be a couple more weeks minimum

[tranquil lintel]

It’s the last exotic I need and then I’ll finally have all exotics (besides the lullaby, which I’m not sure I want to purchase)
It just would be nice and neat to have on my wall.

[full zinc]

i usually end up posting every week when its invaded tho, its why i knew when the last was. itll happen before long

[tranquil lintel]

Thank you. I’ll keep watch for next week

[fiery cloud]

Good hump day hope everyone's 🙏 having a good day

[full zinc]

Good morning Saph

[late finch]

How are we suppose to complete the weekly, if there are no Black Tusk bounties available?

[rigid wedge]

https://x.com/BLACK_TVSK/status/1841497238553379294?t=noWdPJWnvKnB27zDoNxzig&s=19

[small spear]

find black tusk public executions

[rigid wedge]

so..how much planning they were doing for future events..

[quasi wharf]

Hey do the Countdown Hunter's not count towards the "Ridgeway's Pride: Hunter" Project?

[small spear]

yep, they do not

[quasi wharf]

That's stupid

[kind veldt]

hope you like summit again

or do open world ones if you havent

[raw minnow]

Apparently there's a hunter in Schaeffer manhunt?

[small spear]

schaeffer and kelso

[kind veldt]

oh right

[raw minnow]

Speaking of Ridgeway, I kinda forgot I could grind through summit on normal just for the blueprint parts lol

[kind veldt]

it's really easy to farm it now

[tropic sentinel]

Just mm on heroic and get lucky to join floor you want.

[kind veldt]

well more like you are not stuck running on legendary with random directives

[midnight salmon]

The rate of fire was also adjusted following Phase 1 from 1275 to 1250.

pain

[kind veldt]

considering it got the extra rounds back

[tulip sinew]

CD hunters are too weak to count i guess. Not sure if mission hunters count too

[raw minnow]

As I read all other sources of hunters count other than Countdown

"You can do those in the Summit, Control Points, Bounties, or Countdown. For the Hunters objective, however, it needs to be done outside of Countdown. "

[frosty wadi]

I mean, 8 players shooing at the same enemy turns any enemy into “too weak”

[raw minnow]

Electrified opportunitstic hunter goes to goo

[quasi wharf]

Ok. I just killed 2 DC hunters on Normal to make it easy

[tulip sinew]

It's 4 sometimes. And I think they don't have weapon/skill pools like summit mfkrs. Might be wrong tho

[kind veldt]

i think the yhave, just not enough time to deploy them

[harsh jewel]

They need to stop with the black tusk mission once a week

[calm forum]

Fr.

[harsh jewel]

I hope TD3 is not repetitive like D2

[spare cove]

Uh huh

And TD1 somehow wasn't?

[harsh jewel]

it was but not as bad as D2

whit all this technology you think they could random spawn npc in different spots instead of the same spots

[kind veldt]

considering one big complaint they get is NPCs spawning behind people back in open world is kinda tricky

[harsh jewel]

I mean mission wise

[woeful wind]

How up to date is this resource?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/htmlview#

[kind veldt]

the one in #td2-build-advice i think it's up to date

[bitter wraith]

iron lung new meta or something?

For conflict?

[lunar hare]

it constantly puts on fire enemies so it's kind of a meta

[raw minnow]

Ouro first run with some people in GCRock discord. Now time to wreak havoc for a bit lol

[quiet coral]

Hello people

[tiny oar]

Not vs hazpro

[bitter wraith]

Ok

[kind veldt]

well pestilence rof change might be interesting for that

[timber hatch]

It's already a top tier weapon now

[raw minnow]

Bullet King >

[timber hatch]

Not for pvp

[raw minnow]

There's a pvp mode?

[timber hatch]

Some people even play it too

[raw minnow]

Must be a DLC I don't have

I only know control points

[unique bramble]

Dark zones are open world pvp areas but there's also a 4vs4 pvp mode called conflict.

[unique bramble]

It's not DLC

[bitter wraith]

What? Why?

[timber hatch]

Setting people on fire while you shoot them is incredibly strong

If anything it's getting it's burst damage reduced, so it's getting a bit of a nerf but will still be very good in pvp

[kind veldt]

well making people unable to hit you back is the really strong part

[raw minnow]

@timber hatch NEGEV is getting an increase unless the sheet is wrong and it's based on a different gun

Oh sorry was looking at Bullet King again, not Pesti

Actually M249 is going from 620k burst to 684k burst

[steep fern]

Guys haven’t played in over 3 years

Got wony expansion

What do you guys play? It’s a bit overwhelming and don’t know what to do

[warm minnow]

Well once you're level 40 and unlock watch your first step is to figure out a build that suits your playstyle

[raw minnow]

Just grab your complimentary Striker build in the corner over there

[warm minnow]

You can ask in #td2-build-advice or look at the builds in the spreadsheet.

[warm minnow]

or that

Also get ready to farm CP 3/4 and fill out your library.

[raw minnow]

At minimum though, play all the missions, side missions when you come across them and just re-learn the game

Don't worry about a build until level 40 and then just do some research on how you like to play and what suits that.

I think everyone goes through that overwhelming point but you start chipping away at concepts and then the ah-ha moments kick in

[steep fern]

Not worrying about build, I just don’t know what everyone is playing

[warm minnow]

Well theres a bit of everything to do. Mission, Countdown, Raids, Leg. You pick what you want to do.

[stark heron]

My settings got reset, odd

Never expected that to happen but oh well

[viral plover]

anyone got a bug with the agent maira backpack?

it seem that equiping it in one backpack simply applies it on all of them

including exotic one

[hybrid ore]

There's a similar-ish bug with Memento, where if you put on a random other backpack and change the appearance, equipping Memento makes it carry that appearance too.

I blame this one on Simaris.

[viral plover]

yeah, simaris likes to mess with the simulation

also why can't i equip skins on exotics? ._.

it messes my fashion

[stark heron]

Always the simulcrum dude

Honestly his standing requirements for stuff are stupid

Simaris farming is doable but boring af

[viral plover]

you don't farm simaris, you just endure and hope that one day you will get enough to buy something from him

[stark heron]

Only thing I've bought is the simulacrum key

Idk where I got the standing points from tbh

[hybrid ore]

Okay I'm breaking my own rule here for off-topic, but there's an Archon Spy active this week. Go put on Infiltrate Ivara and knock it out fast.
Okay back to div2: yeah Exotic appearance mods were actually briefly mentioned during the stream, and I do mean briefly, but it seemed hopeful.

[viral plover]

i think custom skins should be appliable on them

like maira backpack

[stark heron]

I mean at this point they might as well

[viral plover]

or agent leo vest

[stark heron]

Considering there's already long standing appearance bugs for em

[viral plover]

does it show up on other people?

or is it a local bug?

[hybrid ore]

The thing is, technically every gear we have has its own custom skin, including everything from Gearsets down to the White-tier stuff.

I actually highly recommend the white-tier vests' if you want a nice even colour surface without spending IRL money.

[viral plover]

aww, i got the skin for free from an event

i only got the game and the dlc because new york is cool

and yes you are right

white tier skins look good

the armors tho, terrapin armored rig is kino

[raw minnow]

Hmm, had a crash in Countdown and now my game isn't running at 60fps anymore. Super weird

[unborn ravine]

I can't complete the summit quest for ridgeways 😂 😢

[peak bane]

Hey with all the dlc coming out, anyone think D2 should maybe build "up" on the Washington map instead of adding helicopter travels, similar to D1?

As in add more content to the main game map,

[frosty wadi]

No

Its already heavily cluttered and has enough

[kind veldt]

dont think they plan on abandoning DC that much

[frosty wadi]

The entire point of the dlc is to create a new environment and new fully unique locations

[peak bane]

You think so?

[kind veldt]

but might curious how big brooklyn gonna be

i mean with WONY DC still got quite busy

[frosty wadi]

Im expecting slightly smaller than warlords,

[peak bane]

Well yah I get that, but I liked how they added the incursions to the new york map in 1, I'm not saying add like a s*** ton, but something new would be cool

[frosty wadi]

Especially if we are getting a new faction

[frosty wadi]

I mean, DC has a lot already

Like, a lot

[peak bane]

Well i mean most of it is base game/year 1 content besides the tidal basin, classified assignments they haven't added anything, but that's fair, (not arguing, just healthy debate)

[frosty wadi]

They aren’t adding to it because it requires a lot of work

Hence us getting a dlc

Also, countdown is set in dc

[peak bane]

I guess I meant something we could run into like the incursions on one, it's not a deal breaker for me or anything just a thought.. would be cool to maybe have some extra things into warlords besides main missions .. but I'm excited for Brooklyn as well

[kind veldt]

what exactly would say it's new contente for DC?

[peak bane]

Would be awesome to have a (destiny 2) type division, like upcoming dlcs, new maps, basically what they doing now, but just keep it coming

[kind veldt]

new content and modes tend to be kinda standalone

[frosty wadi]

Destiny gets massive hate for nonstop dlcs

[peak bane]

Really?! That's a first for me.. thought people enjoyed the new content?

[frosty wadi]

I like destiny and will stick by it till it actually dies but I also can’t defend the bad decisions made by it

[kind veldt]

people absolutely hated the first sets of destiny 2 expansions

split playerbase too much, force you to buy them to get the next one, small empty zones with nothing interesting and small content

never heard anyone say anything positive about osiris expansion for example

[peak bane]

Damn, I quite enjoyed most of it, I just fell off and by time I thought about rejoining in. I was like 4 dlcs behind lmaoo ... I was like eehhh

[frosty wadi]

The final shape, objectively the best dlc released by bungie in the entire 10 years of the series, undersold the dlc before it that killed the game

[kind veldt]

there are good destiny 2 expansion and there are bad ones, i'm giving example of bad ones that followed his example of what he wanted

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[kind veldt]

to avoid splitting playerbase too much when a next expansion is coming is part of the reason they let everyone reach level 40

[frosty wadi]

Yearly dlcs are a bad concept

[peak bane]

Well the great thing is division gives out free content, I didn't mean have us buy 30$ dlcs all the time .. my bad...but it would be cool to have an good amount of content to choose from is all i meant ...like *Brooklyn, warlords dlc)

[frosty wadi]

I mean, thats what we already have now

Also, division, has significantly less devs than destiny, like, a lot less

[steep aspen]

Destiny 1 was way better than 2. Played both, destiny 2 was garbage

[frosty wadi]

Sure have a good day now

[peak bane]

Yeah 1 was a gem definitely.

[kind veldt]

i honestly think they are doing a great job regarding monetization, i like the content i paid for, i dont feel that the game is pushing me to buy 70 different cosmedics every time i login, content is content, cosmedics are optional and of your choice

same for passes

[steep aspen]

Destiny 2 literally starting going back to destiny 1 content to try and revive the game lol

[peak bane]

Nah i think they doing awesome as well, don't get me wrong .. I hope they continue to bring more things in .. but I'm loving it truly

[kind veldt]

i cant open Xdefiant without everything being about how much you should be buying the pass

[frosty wadi]

The worst part of div 2 monetization imo is just that the battlepasses have been becoming worse and worse

[glacial breach]

Hi chat

[kind veldt]

well there are good ones and there are bad ones, they always have the "break the glass for hunter outfit in case of emergency" button

[frosty wadi]

No, they’ve always been doing that, and they aren’t doing to it revive the game, they do it to avoid having to release d1 on pc or remaster it

[peak bane]

What do you guys want to see in D2, or what you think they could improve on?

[frosty wadi]

Project resolve for talents and exotics

Because a lot of exotics are still bad

[kind veldt]

you really dont want me writing wall of texts about things i want in division 2, in summary a big spec rework would be fine

[steep aspen]

"Tomato, tomato! We might see it differently, but at the end of the day, it means the same thing!"

[peak bane]

Honestly, more incursions is my only thing I would really want more of, everything else I'm pretty neutral

[kind veldt]

well that's coming

[steep aspen]

Aside from Destiny chat in Div 2 discord...Been sort of missing Division 2, been a way for quite a while. Anything really new or upcoming?

[kind veldt]

so there's that

[peak bane]

Yeah honestly I only like 4 or 5, some I haven't even had the chance to use yet

[peak bane]

There's definitely lots of new content depending on how long you been gone

[steep aspen]

about a year or so

[peak bane]

Ah, then probably not much i think besides the decent, couple season passes, manhunts.. they made all the manhunt accessible so that's cool.. new dlc coming next year

[sand spoke]

y my messages keep getting deleted

[hybrid ore]

@sand spoke You're looking for #lfg-playstation
the new Season that's about to start is going to be a pretty big switch-up for Manhunts and various other systems.

[full zinc]

any backpack (or any item) transmog that isnt an actual gear/brandset piece ends up being "sticky". if you go into inventory and pick a bag you are not wearing, apply then remove the transmog thats sticking, then your bag will revert to the appearance mod you saved.

[bitter wraith]

15 to 2 loss what a 💩 team

[rain hedge]

mannn, sad they nerfed the picaro holster

[inner elbow]

Based move

Too many rainbow builds had the picaro holster as one of the pieces

[rain hedge]

on the bright side lotsa good buffs

specifically to attachments

[kind veldt]

I mean to be fair making more rainbow builds should be incentivized, hope they can make more pieces that help with hybrids

[frosty wadi]

Once again, the problem is talents and gear exotics not being good enough to justify using

Like why would I use trauma when I can use obliterate and kill the enemy faster than they can fight back

[kind veldt]

not saying exotics should be the only thing that does that

[rain hedge]

obliterate was a nerf i was expecting since it was super common to run

though optimist getting buffed was interesting

[ebon ermine]

Why is completing FEB Keener not registering and not unlocking Roosevelt towards the weekly project?

[frosty wadi]

We still need talent buffs to a lot of underused talents

[rain hedge]

idk if i should mention this but i like how leon’s jacket and claire’s jacket are still purchasable

[frosty wadi]

I mean, you can get recolors

They most certainly did that so people wouldn’t be as upset about the re license going away

[ebon ermine]

⚠️ Confirmed: Roosevelt Invaded can't be unlocked; FEB Keener completion nonregistering after multiple attempts.

[bitter wraith]

Erm what build allows you to melee over and over with a shield?

[azure lintel]

nothing stops you from meleeing over and over, but nothing makes meleeing over and over effective either 😛

[azure lintel]

I completed invasion fighter on one character yesterday, and i completed roosevelt on a second character earlier today, you know you have to hold G (on pc) to switch mission mode from regular to invaded or the seasonal final mission, right?

it will default as the seasonal mission even if you have completed it (it will be a grey icon though) hold G to change it to the invaded

[kind veldt]

lady death, claws out holster, bloody knuckles are items with melee damage bonus

[hybrid ore]

Melee is great! Until you realise that enemies have these things called "guns" and they can hit you with them from further away.

And there's more of them than you.

[azure lintel]

my favorite (only favorite really) part of Heartland was melee stealth takedowns

[small spear]

⚠️ Confirmed: Heartland has been canceled

[azure lintel]

im aware

[frosty wadi]

Who wins! The righteous hands of justice, fighting the evil forces within DC!

Or 5.56 to the skull

[small spear]

it's a joke based on the one you replied to

[azure lintel]

Oh, I see.

[hybrid ore]

Is the 5.56 being fired from a gun or are they just throwing it?

[frosty wadi]

If your aiming for the eyes throwing it works too

[hybrid ore]

<insert that scene from Hot Shots 2 where he throws bullets at the guy and they die>

[kind veldt]

i prefer my sniper games where they shoot more bullet per bullet

[rain hedge]

I kinda want more gear sets/exotics that focus more on a skill, like mantis and exuro, those are always silly

[kind veldt]

yeah i think that's one way to justice to certain skills

set that lets reflector shield be more useful or an exotic that pairs up with sniper turret

[undone timber]

That's 65 percent more bullet per bullet

[lunar hare]

qq GB already ended, right?

[harsh ibex]

Deflector sucks right now. It's not protect good enough and distance is about 15m. I tried tanky build with it and 75% of time I just kill enemy with regulus or liberty.

[wooden tapir]

hows the pts server ?

is there any thing intresting or just like the past 3 or 4 years ?

[inner elbow]

the changes are very exciting

[undone timber]

Cuz tank builds generally suck

Deflector doesn't make it any better

Protection of the crusader but with the downside of the bulwark

[harsh ibex]

I know. Just never tried deflector. I though it's kind of fine but nah...

[faint umbra]

A needed talent to spice up the game - throw skills and grenades 50-100% further, just like rogue agents and hunters. Any chance for it being added to the game?

[vale rune]

Is the new season being released on 9 of October?

[molten verge]

is Defender Drone a Good skill to use

[inner tapir]

anyone else have a constant exclamation point on their projects?

[tulip sinew]

Deflector is based on skill damage afaik

[tulip sinew]

It's not gonna make you a tank, but at higher tiers it's useful

[inner tapir]

I have fun using it along with the artificer hive

[tulip sinew]

I use it with dps/regen build

[inner tapir]

slap on ridgeways chest for the bleed and you get pretty tanky

[tulip sinew]

I prefer memento for the yellow core and skill efficiency

[inner tapir]

that is also a solid choice. much more dps that way

[tulip sinew]

Yep

[inner tapir]

ridgeways can be super tanky, but you gotta be careful being that close to lots of elites. can get flanked rather easy.

[inner tapir]

So no one else has a persistent project notification? I have gone over all the new ones, which normally makes it go away, but it has the stupid orange exclamation point still and I can't make it leave

[tulip sinew]

https://youtu.be/kgdpPDpI6EY?si=Ubtlgfuu9bvQKw-3
Some old builds with defender drone being actually very helpful

Credits to my friend Swordlion

[restive garnet]

hey have a mod for pulse and its saying 15.5% health. what would that do for the pulse?

[viral plover]

I think that's for one of the pulse variants

The one you drop on the ground

[spare cove]

No. Early November. We have more GEs and a throwback event next week

[spare cove]

Remote Pulse

[molten verge]

Should there be more incursion maps

Paradise lost was a banger

[midnight lotus]

yea about that....

[unique bramble]

It's gonna be an outcast incursion next season

[midnight lotus]

source?

[unique bramble]

Somebody posted an image of that incursion in the now gone PTS 1 channels, I saved the image. (And before somebody says that's is LeAkEd Stuff, so it shouldn't have been in the PUBLIC test server.)

[midnight lotus]

we have no solid info on it,could be leftovers or content for future seasons

but not the next cuz you'd think they will hype this up

if its coming next season then the next devstream is their chance to show us that

[kind veldt]

Stream in half an hour?

[ebon steeple]

daria said anything in pts should be taken with a grain of salt and theres no plans for another incursion

[ebon steeple]

unless it gets delayed like next season lol

[ebon steeple]

https://x.com/Daria_General/status/1838199129530417512

[azure lintel]

We just getting news about phase two today?

[void parrot]

what time is the live stream uk

[ebon steeple]

maybe a timeline update

[ebon steeple]

in 20 min

[blissful sable]

It is how I always take the PTS. I remember one of the PTS during gear 1.0. They had a fenris backpack with 2 talents and the Keel Belly chest had a lot more power. They both got scaled back. lol. Things change between PTS and release.

[raw minnow]

I do think they're close on how they wanna approach all the stats though

[blissful sable]

I am not so sure. We will see tho

[ebon steeple]

nah eb got nuked ill never forgive them if it goes live

[raw minnow]

At this point, I could see them moving HB to maybe 1.15 but the gun stats I think aren't going anywhere

Or M4 gets nerfed because people baby raged over Elmo

[ebon steeple]

they baby raged cuz they thought elmo actually got nerfed lmao

[raw minnow]

lol

Oh no my mag size and crit modifiers that are higher than anything

[blissful sable]

How I see it, this will play out in one of 3 ways.

1. They make the changes and people hate or are irritated by them
2. They scale back the changes and people accept them
3. Somehow the changes work out and people love or just don't despise them that much. (most unlikely, but still possible scenario)

[ebon steeple]

yeah 70 bullets in a AR is kinda dumb, especially when the mag model wasnt even a drum or something

[raw minnow]

The only thing that's close is extended AUG and it's still only 62

[ebon steeple]

only like 2 weapons got nuked eb and oreo

[blissful sable]

There was the striker, crit, and brand set nerfs

[ebon steeple]

striker nerf aint that bad the brand nerf was dumb tho

[blissful sable]

Those are the ones that I think people will be upset by

[raw minnow]

Well they have been and have still changed them. They need to be adjusted, no doubt

I'm glad they're still nerfing bag

[blissful sable]

TTK is one of the most important things in this game. When NPC's live longer, people get frustrated and die more often. The brand set and crit nerfs increase TTK.

[ebon steeple]

i only use bag on dps build i didnt even notice the dps nerf in pts lol

kinda surprised memento didnt get nerfed

[raw minnow]

I think it was actually not impacted in PTS, it was still 1.0 if I recall

[ebon steeple]

someone in here the other day was trying to say they dont want faster ttk cuz it makes the game too easy lmao

like aint the whole point of this genre of games is to get so strong that ur ttk makes the game easy

[tender wave]

challenging content is less immediately fun but more long-term satisfying. Being OP gets boring pretty quickly.

[oblique timber]

what are some fairly solid builds for doing legendary missions?

[ebon steeple]

ive only played heroic last year

[tender wave]

striker deals with everything, if you're decent enough at using cover to minimize incoming damage. See the pinend spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice for a variety of build guides

[blissful sable]

Those people tend to be special. They want dark souls with guns. Too bad that the AI is too complex to have multiple characters with that dynamic. We have firefights with often 10 to 12 npcs at a time. If we have that many npcs living too long, it will create other problems.

Still at some point we should give them what they want just so they are never taken seriously again... Just kidding...

[ebon steeple]

isnt there already a dark souls with guns

[tender wave]

Remnant usually gets that description

[ebon steeple]

that one yeah

[hybrid ore]

The Surge, Remnant, a little bit of Jedi Survivor, and the 6000000 other clones on Steam.

[blissful sable]

How many NPC's exist in the firefights in those games again?

[ebon steeple]

jedi survivor a souls? lmao

[hybrid ore]

"Dark Souls but...," is like half of Steam tags.

[kind veldt]

remnant is great

surge is kinda meh

[oblique timber]

speaking of dark souls with guns, recently i played remnant ii, it was pretty fun

[kind veldt]

havent played the jedi survivor games

[hybrid ore]

That series is very much a souls-like, yes.

They're good, the first one is really cheap on sale.

[ebon steeple]

ive never heard that series being difficult

[kind veldt]

uses the standard bonfire checkpoint and respawn system and other stamina stuff

doesnt have to be hard

[hybrid ore]

You can crank up the difficulty and a lot of bosses can almost 1shot you, regardless of health.

[blissful sable]

Again how many npc's exist in the firefights in those games? More NPC's with more complex behavior means more strain on resources.

[hybrid ore]

For the DnD fans out there: "death by 1000 cuts is scarier than one really big knife"

[kind veldt]

Remnant had the issue of the too many mobs in the first game in boss fights

[unique bramble]

And a star wars better than outlaws

[kind veldt]

people really didnt like boss kept constantly spawning adds

[hybrid ore]

I've not tried Outlaws so I can't comment.

[kind veldt]

but it was there to guarantee that people kept having ammo drops

[oblique timber]

1000 cuts reminds me of "The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon" (2008)

[ebon steeple]

i saw that first gameplay trailer of outlaws and knew it was gonna be one of the worst games this year

[hybrid ore]

It's a quote from a podcast I used to listen to about dnd before they were everywhere, but it's a good rule for DM'ing.

[kind veldt]

open world games have become tiresome for me

[hybrid ore]

IKR? Elden Ring is awful.

[kind veldt]

oh you

[hybrid ore]

Ah the silence, magic.

[kind veldt]

well something something ubisoft towers

[hybrid ore]

I want you all to know I just gained 6 months of my life from that quiet.

[ebon steeple]

i dont want ubisoft to get canned with a new far cry and ghost recon coming next year

[blissful sable]

How many NPC's are there in an Elden Ring fight?

[kind veldt]

depends on the fight

[hybrid ore]

3, and they're all called Marge.

[abstract rapids]

Simpson

[kind veldt]

some fights are mob fights

[blissful sable]

So not like the 10 to 12 in the division 2.

[kind veldt]

dark souls 3 had deacons of the deep

which is actually something like 16 mobs

[hybrid ore]

So how did this very off-topic convesation drift this far?

[ebon steeple]

omg 6 min til devs

[kind veldt]

game design in general about how division 2 works due having a large amount of mobs vs other games singular bosses

[ebon steeple]

i gotta know if oreo is getting double rof nerfed

[blissful sable]

My point is that the division 2 has complex boss fights with lots of NPC's using resources. Dark Souls'ing these fights might not be practical from a code stand point.

[hybrid ore]

Why would you ever want to bring the terrible controls of Dark Souls to div2?

[blissful sable]

Some people want the difficulty and higher ttk

Despite how impractical it is.

[ebon steeple]

legendary open world lol

[undone timber]

I present to you legendary

[kind veldt]

oh yeah and someone made the remnant comparison so i'm just here openly saying you should play that game

[hybrid ore]

@ebon steeple Actually they spoke about that during a stream, and why it can't happen in div2.

[abstract rapids]

That would be insane

[ebon steeple]

i remember that, maybe something for div 3

[kind veldt]

remnant 2 is on humble bundle right now, dont worry last of my comment about it

[undone timber]

Thing is spawns are tailor made to each legendary mission so we won't ever get open world leg

[abstract rapids]

I once saw mob spawning from the floor

[hybrid ore]

This was pretty much the gist of it, yeah.

[kind veldt]

i think yesterday someone was complaining spawns here were too static and needed more RNG

[unique bramble]

Isn't real life hard enough? Why people would want to play digital games on hard too?

[ebon steeple]

more random sewer spawns lmao

[undone timber]

I mean the spawns are random just predictable generally

[hybrid ore]

Everyone needs a hobby.

[undone timber]

Outside leg

[abstract rapids]

He must be rolling on legendary

[blissful sable]

Bragging rights and gatekeeping(my guess at least)

[kind veldt]

well more that enemies need to come out of somewhere

[hybrid ore]

I believe that's called "skin".

[kind veldt]

cant just spawn on thin air

[undone timber]

To be fair the only NPCs I've seen spawn out of thin air are hunters but that looks stylish so

Rest funnel out doors and man holes and all

[blissful sable]

There have been cases of them teleporting in because of Server Client AI Funtime issues

[kind veldt]

at least they are polite enough to throw a smoke bomb ot announce their spawn

[hybrid ore]

I do admit that plenty of NPC's climb out of manholes they forget to open first, or rather, forget to open the one that's there and instead open a 2nd one that's stacked on top of the first.

it's just div2 stuff. We love this game and accept its quirks.

[kind veldt]

well stream time

[unique bramble]

That gives a lot of "let us introduce ourselves" vibes

[blissful sable]

Or they start at point 1, but have to get to point 2 within a certain period of time yet can't so they teleport to point 2 instead and you are just wham'd

[hybrid ore]

I am resisting the urge to make a George Michael joke right now, I hope you appreciate it.

[blissful sable]

The reason you get the electric slide effect is the get to point 2 takes presidence over being stunned.

[raw minnow]

I don't appreciate that it's not being made

[hybrid ore]

ah damn I could've gone for a Ridgeley and Ridgeway pun.

[blissful sable]

I am sorry for mentioning something that could have been a George Michael reference.

[hybrid ore]

Next time make sure you aren't so Careless. Whisper it to me first.

[undone timber]

sax solo

[frosty wadi]

Think I came into chat the wrong time of day

[raw minnow]

Nah, correct time

[kind veldt]

if you mean twitch chat, then there's no saving that

[raw minnow]

Yeah may as well just hide that

People thinking that an old game doesn't deserve to be balanced is funny considering we won't be getting a new game for at least two years

Gonna be real old by D3

[elfin hazel]

everything must be powercreep

[raw minnow]

Power creep everything, even enemies

We're going to buff everything, 10% increase to enemy health

[hybrid ore]

That gets you 2021 WF, and no one wants that.

[full zinc]

when they buff/nerf weapons it also affects npc damage afaik. at least i remember mention of that a bit ago

[hybrid ore]

Sledgehammer is going back to team-wide, but also a "slightly" lower overall buff.

[raw minnow]

We forget they have weapons too lol

[ebon steeple]

strega got nuked rip

[elfin hazel]

scorpio being half unnerfed

[inner elbow]

Strega is still OP

[kind veldt]

Strega got fixed, scorpio is in a inbetween

[raw minnow]

I like the Scorpio change

[ebon steeple]

strega got half its talent spread nerfed

[hybrid ore]

Virtuoso range reduced, Timer increased

[raw minnow]

Well 20M for a mark spread is insane

[ebon steeple]

kinda thought it compensated for how it stacks on enemies

[hybrid ore]

Priority Objectives: you can abandon them, it's a 1hr cooldown right now.

P.Objectives will be tweaked as time goes along.

[elfin hazel]

praying that means pvp objectives got removed

[hybrid ore]

Modifier drop rate during the PTS are massively increased compared to the live game.

[raw minnow]

Not playing the PTS I don't know how the mods work, but for whatever reason I'm just not interested in them

[ebon steeple]

i turned it off after evey third enemy had 90% dmg reduction

[raw minnow]

I probably just need to play with them to appreciate them

[ebon steeple]

its so bad

[hybrid ore]

Range Modifier changes colour based on distance

[raw minnow]

I think particular ones will be really good for particular builds but I'd probably rather have them off

[elfin hazel]

glad all gear is back

[hybrid ore]

Modifiers have their own tab in inventory, SHD watch is up the top right.

[ebon steeple]

o no yannick playing

[hybrid ore]

Yannick has realised the error of telling the internet to not do something

[ebon steeple]

yannick getting the avg twitch streamer treatment

[hybrid ore]

````Throwback Event: Daria is a rebel.```

[elfin hazel]

should have seen that coming given how heat wave was her favorite IIRC

[ebon steeple]

i actually thought she was about to say raid exotics in general loot

[kind veldt]

exotics are already in general loot

[hybrid ore]

Throwback Event: starting october 8th, can get previous Season Pass Exotics, Stars event. Blueprints can not be obtained.

[ebon steeple]

u missed the key word

[kind veldt]

oh, i'm dumb as always

[hybrid ore]

Exotics are drops in Season Caches during the Throwback Event, can buy them with Event Stars.

[ebon steeple]

does anyone know yannicks backpack trophy?

[hybrid ore]

Calendar during the event will list all info.` Lasts for 3 weeks.

[ebon steeple]

so the season delay is for this event... id rather have the season

[hybrid ore]

Season Extension was designed for the Throwback Event, take any enddates for future Seasons with bags of salt

Current Manhunt will not be re-run during Event

Modifiers are not saved with loadouts

[tropic compass]

So with the throwback event I can collect previous seasons comms?

[elfin hazel]

believe thats the dev one

[hybrid ore]

@tropic compass You can already get them now by farming the final mission. Each Named Enemy kill drops 1 comm.

[tropic compass]

Yeah but doing it 20 times over feels boring

[hybrid ore]

Don't focus too much on datamining, most of it is from potential content.
Modifiers are not necessary to progress the Season.

Climax Missions are designed to play with Modifiers active, you can run it without it but it'll be tough.

Group Leader's Modifiers extend to the rest of the Team

You have to choose between Directives and Modifiers.

[elfin hazel]

modifiers in raids ?!

that'll be interesting to see

[hybrid ore]

and Incursions!

as per the previous stream :p

Stars during Throwback Event will vanish between each target change. They do not carry over.

[undone timber]

Modifiers in raids might mean super dumb strats getting formulated

5 minutes speedruns or something

[tender wave]

sure they just said directives and modifiers coexist, you can have both, only global events can't work with modifiers

[hybrid ore]

They said directly that you have to choose.

and also that Modifiers curently give no reward.

[tender wave]

not choose between, choose either/or/both/any

[blissful sable]

Where do you think that there has been power creep in the game?

[slow smelt]

The biggest takeaway I’ve got from this livestream so far is people are kinda mean to Yannick

[hybrid ore]

That makes literally no sense.

[kind veldt]

from last stream i remember the issue was with global and modifiers, not with directives

[slow smelt]

Like leave him alone stop spamming him with friend requests 😂

[tender wave]

you can choose any combination of directives along with your modifiers

[hybrid ore]

That statement means you don't have to choose.

[tender wave]

eh, sure they used the word 'coexist', will have to wait until the stream is uploaded

[hybrid ore]

There is no undiscovered Hunter Mask, we swear

[raw minnow]

Yes

[blissful sable]

Where? Which talent, which gear set, which factor?

[raw minnow]

It's a joke, there's no creep and none of this matters

[slow smelt]

They’re just future proofing for when they do add more. Guarantee we’ll get some with Brooklyn

[hybrid ore]

....well yeah.

[raw minnow]

It's bait, there has to be more

[rigid wedge]

the biggest bullshit i heard from the stream...THERE IS ONE MORE SPOT DAMMIT.

[tender wave]

striker in its current form, hotshot, determined + headhunter, lots of things make heroic & legendary easier than they were a few years ago

[rigid wedge]

also I been away for 40 minutes and I forgot there was an stream.....

[hybrid ore]

Open all Caches has a lot of issues, it's something they want to do.

[slow smelt]

Sometimes a community can just drive itself insane. Anyone remember the Secret Zoo Level?

[hybrid ore]

No planned Raids, DLC is the current main focus beyond new Season

personal note: they called it the "first incursion", so that's more likely.

[blissful sable]

Honestly, Tips Sniper is better than Hotshot. Striker in its current is pretty powerful no doubt. I have switched a few times to my high end red because Striker needs full stacks to be powerful. Determined is a nightmare, no doubt.

[unique bramble]

I guess this makes the specializations rework out of the picture then.

[hybrid ore]

If you want to play a Global Event, you need to disable Modifiers.

[molten verge]

what gear sets can run Legendary missions

[hybrid ore]

It's on the backburner, but it's being worked on.

[molten verge]

I tried it with strikers, I keep getting rekt because I have no tank

[hybrid ore]

Call for backup is top priority

"small smirk at asking to buff true patriot

[unique bramble]

Ps players: finally

[raw minnow]

Don't need backup when you run strikers

[blissful sable]

Does CFB even work?

[hybrid ore]

Sorta.

[kind veldt]

are we talking about the same tips of the spear?

[hybrid ore]

"lets bring back more charactersfrom the dead, make everyeone happy"
oh yannick.

[blissful sable]

Yeah, you use the Tac 50 to skip right to one shotting elites. Hot shot can't do that.

[slow smelt]

What in the Rubber Bullets is this?!

[molten verge]

whats gonna be in Y6S2

[rigid wedge]

Is Faye Layu alive blink of yes

She's dead guys proceeds to blink
Make up your mind....

[molten verge]

Let her stay dead

[small spear]

RIP tips. it doesn't work like that anymore and the set is basically dead now

[rigid wedge]

nO

[hybrid ore]

Halloween Event is going to be cosmetic focused, 2 seprate opportunities to obtain

[blissful sable]

What, I used it the other day

[slow smelt]

So Apparel Cache + Project Chain I hope

[tender wave]

nothing stopping you from using TAC 50 on hotshot

[rigid wedge]

Aw come on...

[small spear]

it's because hotshot doesn't buff signature weapon damage unlike tips, gives you a bit more damage

and tac50 doesn't use mmr damage, only weapon damage

[hybrid ore]

XP event is going to be back in the future, both x3 and x5.
Planned to have them be more frequent throughout the Season.

[kind veldt]

doesnt TAC-50 count as sniper also?

[small spear]

no

it's only signature weapon

[blissful sable]

The Headhunter damage transfers tho

[tender wave]

eh, I'd still take Hotshot any day, free reload and aok

[blissful sable]

Tips gives you free Tac-50 Ammo

[slow smelt]

RIP LEAGUES 😭

[hybrid ore]

Time Challenges are 100% coming back, Leagues are 100% dead.

[slow smelt]

I liked 80% of the missions with it. The other 20%…

[hybrid ore]

Stop asking about the DLC, It's confirmed to be in Brookyln, it's not a codename.

[blissful sable]

Am I missing something, did they somehow super nerf tips?

I know they reworked it.

[small spear]

that's it yeah

[midnight lotus]

idk bout yall but i asked about the state of determined about 3 times now

[small spear]

they're determined to ignore you

[midnight lotus]

im determined to win

[hybrid ore]

There's a PTS phase 2 lol.

[blissful sable]

I should have realized tho that the moment someone mentions determined, you would show up

[kind veldt]

reworked to be a smaller timed buff to only spec weapons

[small spear]

i have a passionate distaste for it

[rigid wedge]

trying to get your question answered in the twitch chat fr fr

[kind veldt]

the all weapon damage is now only if you use the backpack or chestpiece

and only if you have no spec ammo

then you get a really short buff

[slow smelt]

Devs! Bring back Dark Path and my life is yours!

[midnight lotus]

brutal murder

[hybrid ore]

MSV confirmed to be staffed by 5 racoons in a trench coat

[midnight lotus]

well at least they are honest

[elfin hazel]

🎉 glad to have a new answer instead of 83 from ages ago

[slow smelt]

After Outlaws it makes sense…

[hybrid ore]

Oh shh.

[midnight lotus]

will the 5 raccoons tell me why is determined the way it is rn

[hybrid ore]

There are not 5000 people working here.
Well that's good for parking.

[slow smelt]

I’m just throwing SHD, I love Massive

[midnight lotus]

im not even gonna reinstall pts2 ill just go in to ask for determined nerf at this rate

[hybrid ore]

No checkpoints for Descent, "nope"".

"We understand why people would want it, but it'd require Descent to be fully rebuilt from the ground up"

[rigid wedge]

everyone hated that

[rigid wedge]

oh......

[kind veldt]

yeah the game deletes the instance the moment you leave

otherwise could create issue of too many server spaces

[hybrid ore]

Oda is confirmed to be working on the music for the DLC

[unique bramble]

Ola strandh's time to shine once again

[hybrid ore]

Daria is holding the green screens hostage.

[rigid wedge]

SAVE THE GREEN SCREENS

[hybrid ore]

Okay good stream, lot of info.

[midnight lotus]

i like how they just smirked when people asked for true patriot buff

[hybrid ore]

"blink if Faye Lau's alive". Yannick stares straight into the camera, unblinking. Daria blinks rapidly.

[midnight lotus]

"we're cooked" ahh response

[midnight lotus]

"maybe its just a hologram"

[inner elbow]

raccaccouille

[hybrid ore]

Lauatoullie.

[tropic compass]

Outside of apparel event weeks 😀

[dull cypress]

i'm kinda surprised they even had a stream didn't seem to be a lot of changes lol

[hybrid ore]

.....

.....

.....

Okay brain break over.

[inner elbow]

for the sake of "communicating with the playerbase" 🤪

[dull cypress]

i mean besides the changes to the seasonal modifiers n stuff

[tender wave]

nice to see them reading and answering (some) questions though

[dull cypress]

I was hoping there were more buffs/nerfs to discuss besides all the tweaks to the exotics

[hybrid ore]

They only had an hour, it's not a lot of time when you're fending off friend requests.

All patch notes for those are in the PTS phase 2.

[dull cypress]

17 requests not that bad!

[hybrid ore]

that was 17 in the time between the last check.

[dull cypress]

what gun is it on

[kind veldt]

well there's going to be more things in the notes tomorrow that werent part of the original dev commentary since thye talked about scorpio

[dull cypress]

true mr bird I hope we get a lot

[icy cypress]

Grown great and Tommy gun

[hybrid ore]

@icy cypress You've already asked the question in the proper place, give someone time to answer.

[blissful sable]

I still can't believe that Yannick does not have a scorpio.

[kind veldt]

well i'm still just staring at the shotgun changes

[ebon steeple]

yannick is using everything theyre nerfing lol