td2-general-chat

[ebon steeple]

u cant make builds til u hit lvl 40

[eternal spire]

I assume I can’t make builds tho till I beat the story seems like one of those games

Called it

[fiery cloud]

once you get to 40 then you can start building

[ebon steeple]

or at least its smarter to wait for build making til u hit lvl 40 cuz thats gear lvl cap

[lunar hare]

You can but shouldn't.
As you level up gear gets weaker.

[eternal spire]

Got it

[fiery cloud]

for thosethat like pulse your gonna be happy

[eternal spire]

So just do the story I presume

[fiery cloud]

yup scrap or sell everything

till 40

[eternal spire]

Is this open world or literally can only do story

[fiery cloud]

full open world just watch area levels

[ebon steeple]

its open, not very big

[frosty wadi]

Well

Its open world, but with closed off areas

Like missions, offsite areas, etc

[eternal spire]

Word

I’ve been in matchmaking for like 5 minutes

[kind veldt]

yeah you not gonna find much before lv 40

[eternal spire]

It’s been 10 more minutes and I’m still in matchmaking 😭

Can I not do this solo or something

[paper mantle]

good luck even trying to find someone around your level with matchmaking

[eternal spire]

I think I’m doing it solo

Or I started another mission on accident 💀

[full zinc]

you definitely can

[eternal spire]

That was difficult I see why your supposed to match make

[hot wigeon]

I just had SIX Ninjabike bag drop in a row. Man the RNG gods hate me today. Just want the momento bag lmao 🤣

[lunar hare]

You shall sacrifice in order to get what you desire.
Lootcifer is waiting 😈

[full zinc]

🔥 😈 🔥

[heady bramble]

Seriously I can see players leaving the game in droves if hostile modifiers are implemented as described. Yes games should be a challenge but they should also be fun. These hostile modifiers look horrible.

[hybrid ore]

@heady bramble They can be disabled, they don't award xp from being active.

"leaving the game in droves" is a new one, I'll have to add that to the doomposters bingo card.

[kind veldt]

You can give feedback on what needs to be changed instead

[grand swan]

What does doomposting mean 😭

[azure lintel]

it's when you paste funny memes of Doom™ games in chat

[hot wigeon]

Lmao

[hybrid ore]

Yeah exactly, like that robot guy from the 2016 one thinking hell energy is a good idea and putting the word "crypto" over it instead.

[grand swan]

That's impossible to happen

If I'ma be honest there's barely funny doom memes

[gusty linden]

Hello, Is it possible to transfer your The Division 2 PS5 save to PC with Ubisoft Connect?

[hybrid ore]

@gusty linden Unfortunately no, there's no crossplay/cross save for div1 or div2.

[gusty linden]

Shit

[bronze sluice]

wew I'm glad the division team didn't mess up the story with this finale

[frosty wadi]

I mean, not a crazy amount happened

Story is kinda in filler mode ever since the dlc delay

[bronze sluice]

I mean... keener is CAPTURED?

[frosty wadi]

I mean, This could’ve happened the season before

In fact I bet it was supposed to

[bronze sluice]

could have happened and actually happened are not the same

[inner elbow]

wonder what PTS Phase 2 will be about

[frosty wadi]

Not much is happening to actually progress the plot

They have to split up the story so there isn’t a giant gap between the dlc

[hybrid ore]

Nah, he went in there willingly to help prove that they can trust him.

[bronze sluice]

willingly or not he is still captured

[hybrid ore]

He 100% was not captured. That means against your will.

[bronze sluice]

okay, how would you describe being locked inside a cell?

[hybrid ore]

Willingly locked in a cell? Helping to build trust after you tried to genocide all of Manhattan.
I do hope that part is acknowledged at some point.

[inner elbow]

"built trust" haha yeah right

[azure lintel]

Were you ever arrested? Cells

Did you spend much time in the cells? Cells

[hybrid ore]

There's a 50% chance that at some point, Keener is just going to open that door and walk out to give someone some kind of info/help someone out.

Ya know, the "cool guy in a cage" trope.

[inner elbow]

or he could evolve into a final boss

[hybrid ore]

We have a PMC villain that is linked to the Illiminati. We are 100% not having him back as the BBEG.

This is video-game story gold.

To be clear: I'm not knocking it. I am 100% for this stuff getting crazy.

[bronze sluice]

I still crave more anna action tho

I hope she doesn't become the big bad 😭

[astral jacinth]

Is the mooncake event item dropping from loot goblins today?

[hybrid ore]

Nah she's likely going to take over ISAC's job even more, since in the stream we had her voice playing as soon as Yannick exited the safe house.

[bronze sluice]

who?

[hybrid ore]

Game Director.

[bronze sluice]

wew

out think we will get to use anna outside of story?

[hybrid ore]

Check out ubi's twitch channel, they had a really good stream a few days ago, showing off the stuff coming up next Season.

[bronze sluice]

woah

did I just have a stroke?

I mighta

[hybrid ore]

Happiness Heart Attack.

[inner elbow]

might want to see a doctor

[hybrid ore]

You need to "finish" the Mooncake Event first, so I guess be up to date with the Projects.

[azure lintel]

Poor Shaeffer. That cute little helmet really didn't do him much good

[bronze sluice]

I meant "do you think we will get to use ANNA outside of story?"

[hybrid ore]

There's some speculation that she'll replace ISAC overall, but I hope it's either a choice or we still get him in some capacity. His VA is too integral to div as a franchise.

[bronze sluice]

I wanna see a choice to swap fully over to rogue, but I know thats more than likely not gonna happen

[hybrid ore]

I had a vague hope that Seasonal Characters were going to have that sort of thing as a feature, but it was a long hope and they're not happening now so

[frosty wadi]

Being classified as rogue is a death sentence

My bet is actually that all agents are classified as rogue in d3 and the story is about us regaining control and reinstating the division

[hybrid ore]

When the SHD was still what it used to be, sure being Rogue was insta-death.
but now? There's not enough people left to enforce this stuff anymore. If you're helping out your community, they almost certainly don't care.

[hexed wyvern]

This would’ve been tight.

[hybrid ore]

@gusty linden It's a great way to get both yours and the new account permanently banned.

Don't bring this up again.

[gusty linden]

🧍🏻‍♂️

[inner elbow]

What was bro trying to do 💀

[hybrid ore]

It's best you don't know.

[inner elbow]

Gotcha

[raw briar]

where is the vendor that sells the vindicator at online search just brings up a bunch of blogs

[azure lintel]

My game is a little gray, what do I have to change in the settings? (td2)

[frosty wadi]

At the descent door next to the white house

[raw briar]

oh ok makes sense blog picture made it look like it was in descent its self

[frosty wadi]

Wouldn’t recommend vindicator rn but its getting a pretty good buff so next season it’ll be worth using

[raw briar]

eh just completionist and havent really played since like thanksgiving last year

[azure lintel]

My game is a little gray, what should I change in the settings? (td2)
someone help me I'm new please

[frosty wadi]

Wdym by a little grey

You keep spamming in channels also

[lunar hare]

-atrivens-

[azure lintel]

How do you solve it then, I'm new to the game and it's gray

[frosty wadi]

Can you actually post what it looks like in #ask-td2-community

[echo violet]

Lol they nerve sledgehammer so it only counts for the player that inflicts it …

[hybrid ore]

More of a fix than a nerf, was kind of broken before.

[echo violet]

I like it befor when the supporter can inflict it so the team do the damage

[still fiber]

Thank you for the reply!

[crisp loom]

@crisp loom

[hybrid ore]

Did you tag yourself for a reason?

[kind veldt]

it gives a nice morale boost?

[vast lake]

thoughts on changes so far? they look pretty good to me

[frosty wadi]

Good aside from a couple unnecessary nerfs like one of the ak variants getting nerfed

[kind veldt]

mostly good buffs to underused things

some odd nerfs, like the entire shotgun category, snipers getting some really bad reload time (mantis included), with one or other odd case in each category (MP7, AK, double barrel ??)

also "we are looking at all weapons" proceeds to ignore sweet dreams for the 14th time in a row in balances patch

[onyx pasture]

I'm presuming that its a bug that 'The Harvest' isn't actually rolling with the talent?

[frosty wadi]

There is no talent, it has different stats than normal revolver

It has 20% more damage but less rpm

[onyx pasture]

Ohhhh. thats, weird. hm. was kinda expecting it to be like Unhinged or something like that

[fiery cloud]

Rivens that one was used a year agpo

[molten verge]

is Zero F's talent good?

[kind veldt]

it's a great backup if you are having trouble or trying to do some flawless challenge

[rare vapor]

So the Hoarder is not dropping any event item current nor past, is a bug right?

[kind veldt]

according to the site announcement he should be dropping other items

[molten verge]

currently using it with Striker's

[rare vapor]

apparantly he drops purple and no named item whatsoever. website is wrong.

[pliant sentinel]

yeah, only way to get more now is to keep farming red dragon thru the project daily

[rare vapor]

pretty much

[azure lintel]

oh that reminds me it has reset already

4 more chances to get my dttooc harvest

[onyx pasture]

Is it not a per-character project?

[kind veldt]

nah you can keep repeating these last few events

[hexed wyvern]

Pro:

• new seasonal functionality is a welcome design from the previous model. Forces players to engage themselves into the game’s world to progress.

• the increased A.I difficult/damage output renders AI to be an actual threat. Being caught off guard or out in the open can be lethal to the player. I like how with 3-4 shots from even a red AI we can be downed/killed.

Cons:

• there’s still no overall punishment/ consequences to being killed, which reduces the overall intensity or sense or urgency when completing an objective. We get killed, spawn back and we continue on like nothing happened.

• Seasons 2.0 still feels incomplete and seems like it will become repetitive like the current seasonal model. The game needs an overall fundamental solution to mitigate and address the gear ceiling.

Suggestions:

Seasonal Journey

• for seasonal journey objectives, there should be requirements to find certain pieces of gear instead of just X number of items. Have objectives where players have to find X amount of named pieces etc.

• trinkets. Re-implement the value of trinkets into the seasonal journey, where players need to find X amount of Y trinkets. This re-introduces the looting factor into the game that kinda ceases to exist.

Player Death Consequences

• implement a gear durability mechanic. When a player gets killed, the gear/weapons they are using at the time of death lose durability. Just spitballing here, but let’s say 20% of durability each death. So after 4 deaths, the gear loses 80% of its strength/power. Players can repair lost durability with the use of the gear's relative materials. For example, if you need to repair a piece of Gilla Guard, you need X amount of Gilla Gaurd fibers to bring that piece of gear back to 100.

What does this address add to the game?

• gear durability would add a layer of intensity to the game while creating a sense of urgency during engagements, well because players don’t want their gear to lose its strength. This also increases value in gear that has been stashed away while increasing the value of other gear in the game.

Overall, I think seasons 2.0 is an optimistic change, but still needs some fundamental changes in order to keep each season feeling different and developing a motive for players to want to keep playing and returning every season.

[frosty wadi]

Gear durability…

Are you insane

Like are you actually insane

[lapis junco]

hell no

I aint farming for weeks to find several blue coreable ceska pieces

[onyx pasture]

Now if they made the gear repairable but you dont actually lose the gear, itd be different.

But nah, no destroyable loot pls thnks

[hexed wyvern]

I forgot to add, gear can be repaired.

[frosty wadi]

Then why even have the system

That is extremely unnecessary

[hexed wyvern]

To add a sense of intensity to engagements. If players need to repair gear they would obviously have to farm for the designated resources they need. By resources I mean the related gear pieces components. If I need to repair a Gilla Guard piece, I would need X Gilla Guard components as well as generic materials.

[frosty wadi]

I would legitimately quit the game series if this was a feature

That is actually horrible

[azure lintel]

no use arguing about it. it's not a part of the core game that can't even fix fragile armor, so implementing gear durability is certainly WAAAAYYYYY outside their wheelhouse

game. they

[frosty wadi]

You have proven multiple times that you have very hardcore beliefs that don’t belong in this game armed

[onyx pasture]

It would just punish people who get wiped more often.

But then the issue would arise, either players would start to keep copies of the same piece of gear ie. a ceska holster with crit chance & damage on it with a blue core, but now you have 2 or 3 incase one breaks which wouldnt even solve the problem of low stash space. Or players would just not play on higher difficulties in risk of losing their stuff.

[azure lintel]

You can edit posts.. im genuinely stupid

[frosty wadi]

Yeah these systems punish the average player

[kind veldt]

definely bad for new players

[frosty wadi]

Which leaves only die hard fans, which is not what Ubisoft wants

[azure lintel]

ya know what systems reward awesome players though? 1886 25% damage buff, cause 1886 is ❤️

[hybrid ore]

Wait, you want gear to degrade? I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

[onyx pasture]

Goobisoft wants that new player money

[kind veldt]

welcome to the last 3 days of the PTS chat

[hybrid ore]

Gear degradation is the worst part of any game that has it.

It's actively been removed from franchises that used to have it over the past few years.

[vast lake]

couldnt agree more

[molten verge]

someone pls explain whats going on

Im really out of the loop here

[frosty wadi]

Gear degradation is for games that you know, arent looter shooters built entirely around gear

[kind veldt]

dude suggesting durability to items on death

[onyx pasture]

It really depends on the game and how they go about it tbh.

Once Human has a pretty okay system since it just showers you in the mats you need to actually repair the gear, so its more of an inconvienance than an actual mechanic.

[hybrid ore]

Someone said that gear getting worse as you use it is a good idea, every single other person in chat is making fun of them.

[molten verge]

Yeah its a bad idea

it forces a Build to only be usable for like a couple times before you have to replace it

[hybrid ore]

"ya know what would be fun, your Ouro getting worse as you use it, enjoy that 1/100 farm!"

[kind veldt]

at this point i think he just wants division to be tarkov with something else that is not division

[molten verge]

ie punishing you for playing the game

why tf do you want to punish me for playing the game, id rather get punished for a skill issue

[frosty wadi]

Hes made it clear that he wants the players to be forced to restart and wipe, he loves the idea of hardcore, and he wants gear degradation

[hybrid ore]

Oh I just saw who suggested it.
ArGho', you may be playing the wrong kind of game. The wrong genre even.

[onyx pasture]

Now if it was a HARDCORE ONLY feature, itd be different

[kind veldt]

i mean i already think that wiping on death is enough for hardcore

[onyx pasture]

Since that mode has been in beta for years. Might as well try it for a little bit and see how it goes.

[hybrid ore]

MSV just removed Gearscore because no one finds that fun either, they aren't going to add in something much worse afterwards.

[kind veldt]

oh god

i just imagined borderlands with durability

[molten verge]

thanks for making everyone get to level 40 as the endgame goal

Still, gear shouldnt have durability losses and then becoming unsuable at 0% durability

[hybrid ore]

Think about the RNG farms we have for certain items, now picture you having to do those weekly to get another copy.

Having to re-run Regulus' Project to get a 2nd one.

[molten verge]

at most id only think about maybe they'd be slightly worse and then you have to get someone to repair it if you really want it to be implemented

[kind veldt]

i'm laughing here, cant even drink my tea

[molten verge]

and i think its a bad idea

[frosty wadi]

Id like to point out he said they degrade on death, aka meaning, this only affects people who want to experiment and end up dying, people on hard difficulties, or people new/bad

[kind veldt]

i mean i recently played shadow tower abyss and it was alright

[hybrid ore]

Blinder, you and I both know that the game kills you all the time.

[kind veldt]

janky game that is pretty much durability simulator for everything

[frosty wadi]

Yes, I agree its terrible

[hybrid ore]

Due to my location on Earth, I get the "cant fire my gun" bug about once every 2-3 days.

[frosty wadi]

Hate that bug

[molten verge]

wait ima do a bit of refining, why not instead of punishing, it rewards.

base performance at 0% durability, but better performance if you repair it

disabled in PVP of course

[hybrid ore]

So Expertise but worse?

[molten verge]

yeah, still not a really good idea

[azure lintel]

Play Hardcore. Problem solved.

[molten verge]

actually yeah i may start up a hardcore slot today

see if i can get it to level 40, complete WONY and put together a build for it

[frosty wadi]

@hybrid ore hey random question you dont need to answer, thinking of reinstalling div 1, how different is build crafting in that? Only played through like the first third of the game

[hybrid ore]

It's been long enough now that I'd honestly suggest asking one of the regulars.

[molten verge]

uhh, no targeted loot, so may take a while to put together something if you are unlucky

[frosty wadi]

More specific?

[onyx pasture]

Talents require specific perk amounts

[hybrid ore]

Remember div2 before TL? That.

aka: bad.

[onyx pasture]

Like OG Div 2 Armor before 2.0

[kind veldt]

it's "solved" farm classified gear and win the game

[molten verge]

you cant really choose what gear sets you want to get

so dependent on luck

Just Farm Resistance

[frosty wadi]

God that sounds miserable

[hexed wyvern]

Not suggestion gear degradation, I’m suggesting gear had durability in which is only lost if a player dies while wearing the gear. Gear won’t degrade if unused.

[kind veldt]

i mean htere is some direction with incursions dropping stuff like "boots and holsters only" for gear sets

[molten verge]

welcome to the division 1

[hybrid ore]

Imagine having mod TL on every CD run and that being your only option for farming.
now imagine there is no CD and no Summit farm.

[hybrid ore]

Yes, that is what degradation means.

[kind veldt]

i mean there are many types, some only degrade if you take hit, if used, if you die and so on

[frosty wadi]

What day does this season end?

[onyx pasture]

Its pain, I remember spending DAYS in resistance farming classified caches just to get the pieces I needed for Reclaimer

[hybrid ore]

Hopefully sooner than this conversation about gear armour loss.

[frosty wadi]

Real

[kind veldt]

i mean i only was able to farm 5 pieces of my classified set in the first global event

[molten verge]

im hoping I can put together a classified Striker's as my first classified set

[kind veldt]

i got lucky by farming open world bosses and getting hte last piece 5 days later

[hybrid ore]

Whether it degrades on hit or death, it's still an awful idea for div2.

[molten verge]

anyway, back to the Division 2

[hybrid ore]

Yeah back to the terrible idea.

So another bad thing about it: Expertise.

[molten verge]

if you wanna talk about Div1, #td1-general

[molten verge]

whats that tho

[hexed wyvern]

Agreed. It’s just a suggestion. I’m not saying it needs to be in the game nor should it.

[hybrid ore]

Imagine having an Expertise Lvl 26 Ouro, then it degrades and you have to spend potentially months to get a 2nd one, and then pay for it to get to Lvl 26 again.
Rinse and repeat.

[azure lintel]

Speaking of things that have no point being discussed because they're not nor will they ever be relevant to Division 2... did you know that S4714 is the star closest to Sagitarius A* (the blackhole at the center of our galaxy) and it reaches a peak velocity of 53,543,280MPH with is 8 PERCENT the speed of light

[molten verge]

Yeah ima just straight up quit td2

[hybrid ore]

Unsubscribe from star facts!

[frosty wadi]

How is it a suggestion if it shouldn’t be added…

[azure lintel]

Thank you! You have been subscribed to more Star Facts!

[hybrid ore]

Expertise is a neat little system where you can gradually improve your favourite gear moderately over time.
Unnecessary, but kinda cool.

[hexed wyvern]

You don’t lose the expertise on it. The gear sets still retain expertise like how they do now. Just that one piece of gear loses its utility.

[hybrid ore]

Uh have you played div2 before?

[molten verge]

for specalisation, should I use gunner or firewall with Striker's Battlegear set

[azure lintel]

generally gunner

[frosty wadi]

Div2 will be a good game when ridgeway gets a buff

[hybrid ore]

Like seriously, that's not how Expertise on an item works.

[azure lintel]

firewall was niche for ouroboros striker, but thats dead now with TU22 😦

[molten verge]

Striker's was kinda the first build I put together in Div2

Except I dont have Ouro

[hybrid ore]

Ya know this is all starting to make a lot more sense now, not knowing how the endgame systems work.

[frosty wadi]

I mean the ghost recon profile pic also kinda gives it away

Gives away the mentality hes at

[onyx pasture]

You gain knowledge by losing it

[hybrid ore]

Hey be nice, I like those games.

well, sorta. You know what I mean.

[frosty wadi]

Game series struggling for a new game

[azure lintel]

Bro... Splinter Cell, please...

[frosty wadi]

Need a new one already

[onyx pasture]

Div 3 needs to come sooner than 3 years.

[hybrid ore]

I'm boycotting any future game until they give me the first game's VA back.

[frosty wadi]

Gta6 gonna release before splinter cell remake at this point lol

[kind veldt]

isnt the VA very old and tired?

i keep forgetting sam VA

[azure lintel]

GTA9 gonna release before splinter cell

[kind veldt]

ironside?

[frosty wadi]

We are confirmed getting a remake of splinter cell soo

[azure lintel]

Soon™

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[hybrid ore]

Oh not splinter cell, i mean ghost recon.

Ironside can retire, dude was in Total Recall.

[kind veldt]

i know we are, was talking just about the VA situation

[frosty wadi]

Which first game, wildlands?

[azure lintel]

first game... wildlands? u fookin wot

[kind veldt]

i'm also processing that a bit weirdly

[frosty wadi]

Tbf wildlands is the most well known game in the series

[molten verge]

anyway, should I get a Hardcore slot runnning?

[kind veldt]

if you want it

[azure lintel]

for people born after 2009, yes

[hybrid ore]

I like open world stuff more than I like people saying 10-4 and moving very slowly.

[azure lintel]

but this is an 18+ discord server and you must leave now

[molten verge]

my goal is to get to level 40, complete WONY and put together a build

[frosty wadi]

I mean ghost recon didn’t get massively popular until future soldier

[hybrid ore]

wait hold up, Nomad's VA is in div2.

how did i not know this

[frosty wadi]

I mean I like both, wildlands is in my top 3 favorite games but I still want a realistic gritty ghost recon combined with what made wildlands good

[kind veldt]

i mean advanced warfighters was prob more popular

[frosty wadi]

Huh???

[hybrid ore]

Oh she'd be one of the misc NPC's. Okay yeah I can hear it now.

[hexed wyvern]

I forgot to mention in my original bullet post that gear can be repaired with the resistive gear components.

[frosty wadi]

But why

[hybrid ore]

The idea is not getting better.

[azure lintel]

I'm gonna repair your brain with resistive gear components! Do you want that?!

[hexed wyvern]

Wildlands FPS mod on Ghost Mod or Breakpoint with the Spartan mod.

[hybrid ore]

Wildlands VA for fem-nomad. She's a generic NPC in div2.
neat!

[frosty wadi]

Neither of those answer my statement and are mods

[frosty wadi]

Nice

[hexed wyvern]

Y’all need to chill. It was just a suggestion. Not saying it needs to be in the game. Jesus Christ. Be nice if one of y’all came up with some ideas, suggestions and feedback.

[kind veldt]

i did already

[frosty wadi]

Dude you post large paragraphs a lot

[azure lintel]

I don't actually care, I'm just joking around sorry friend

[kind veldt]

i just dumped then into the PTS chat

[azure lintel]

didnt mean to upset ya 😦

[hybrid ore]

The reaction was a bit over the top and @azure lintel you should apologise for it, but if you post ideas, expect criticism and notes.

[kind veldt]

i know devs read these feedback because i have gotten stuff into game

[frosty wadi]

@hybrid ore is there anything you hope gets changed gameplay wise from div 2 to 3

[hybrid ore]

Separate Jackets.
I'm up in the air on the rest.

[frosty wadi]

I meant affecting gameplay not customization

[azure lintel]

I want to pick my support staff for missions, and it will always be Cindy "Drone Operator" McAlister

[hybrid ore]

That does legitimately affect my gameplay.
but pure gameplay? More interaction with the world. Closing car doors and shooting tires is of course mandatory, but more things like being able to stand up fallen over bins for cover, or grenades maybe causing damage to certain types. Just little things that don't change too much but make it feel more interactive.

Have the world reset on relog/daily/weekly reset, of course.

[frosty wadi]

Tbf, I think those would require Rockstar levels of game development

[azure lintel]

I light a candle before I go to bed and ask VideogameJesus to let Massive use UE5 instead of snowdrop for d3, but he never answers me

[frosty wadi]

And we know how long it takes Rockstar to develop games

[onyx pasture]

Theyre capable of building immersive worlds, Assassins Creed proves it

[hybrid ore]

Snowdrop is still great, I mean it still looks amazing and clearly still works fine.

....it's a different studio.

Ubisoft did not make div2.

[hexed wyvern]

Because I’m passionate about the game’s development and think TD2 has great potential to expand it’s players base. TD2 is too good of a game to only see the same 2-3k players. If I didn’t have to relocate out of the country I would’ve taken a job at Ubisoft two years ago when they were hiring.

You guys for some reason take my suggestions personally as if I’m not open to other ideas.

[molten verge]

Ubi published div2?

[azure lintel]

You don't think "how to fix fragile armor" couldnt fit in a succinct email from Malmo to Bucharest? Snowdrops a nightmare

[hybrid ore]

....publishers just put out money, they don't make stuff.

[frosty wadi]

It doesn’t see 2k players though

[onyx pasture]

Yes but still under the UbiBrella

It was more a general statement that under ubisoft their studios are able to make interactive worlds

[frosty wadi]

You also aren’t open to other ideas as you keep pushing your obsessions without thinking about what the average and casual player wants

[hexed wyvern]

Kinda crazy how fragile armor hasn’t been patched. What breaks the bug is if you are revived then the directive functions as normal again.

[frosty wadi]

Pretty sure it is in the pts

Someone said it was

[hexed wyvern]

I have been open to any other suggestions and ideas, just nobody has actually presented anything than what’s not already in the game. I was the only person who replied to that guys post and then got roasted. I’m getting the dev treatment first hand.

[hybrid ore]

The alternate idea is already in the game. It's not having the feature you keep suggesting.

[kind veldt]

honestly think you are jumping too much to the point the features you want are incompatible with current game and instead would be a forced change that is not healthy but create more issues

[hexed wyvern]

You’re right 1.5-1.8k on a good day.

[hybrid ore]

If I started to spam-post massive walls of text about how we need Warframe's parkour system, you can bet people would call me out on it.

[frosty wadi]

I get that Im a negative person, but I really want to vouch for the game on for this upcoming season

[kind veldt]

not every game needs tarkov wipes or breaht of the wild constant breaking and crafting to be good

[frosty wadi]

If you are looking at steam charts, thats just not an accurate estimation of players

It never is for games

[molten verge]

statistically though how many people play Div2?

[kind veldt]

we dont know

[hybrid ore]

For a start, it doesn't factor in ubi-connect, which is where most people play div2 on.

[frosty wadi]

At least 5k per platform

At least

[molten verge]

alltogther?

[hexed wyvern]

Hard to say, Steam is the only platform we can see player count.

[hybrid ore]

Steamcharts themselves aren't even all that accurate.

[hexed wyvern]

More like 5k total between all platforms.

[kind veldt]

that's the point, one cannot claim absolute truths without correct information

[molten verge]

also, as a PC player, am i allowed to crossplay with Xbox and Playstation Users

[frosty wadi]

Dude, it really seems like you want the game to die with the things you say about it

[kind veldt]

nope

[hexed wyvern]

Agreed. But it’s still enough to see trends and ballpark active daily players count.

[hybrid ore]

It's SUPER not.

[molten verge]

so everyone I play with are PC players as well?

[kind veldt]

yeap

[frosty wadi]

You have to also factor in players playing through ubi as well on pc

[hybrid ore]

Yep! all PC players are as one, steam and ubi-connect together.

[kind veldt]

at most it's crossplay with amazon luna?

[hybrid ore]

Luna is still a thing?

[kind veldt]

not sure honestly

[molten verge]

should there be crossplay between all platforms?

[hybrid ore]

I live in a country where it's either not possible or never arrived, so Luna is above my paygrade.

[hexed wyvern]

Bro. I want to this game hit 20-30k daily players which it deserves. Obviously there is a fundamental reason why player retention is low. What are your suggestion to increase player count and retention?

[frosty wadi]

Yes but it would probably shatter the div 2 code

[kind veldt]

it's not easy to do and could cause drastic issues is roughly what the devs mentioned

[hybrid ore]

It's be great, but yeah never happening.

[molten verge]

could it happen in Div3 though?

[frosty wadi]

It should be in div 3

[kind veldt]

possibly

[hybrid ore]

oh in div3 id bet money on it happening./

[kind veldt]

new game so they can build around that no issue

[hybrid ore]

not much, but money.

[molten verge]

and how screwed would code and balancing be?

[hexed wyvern]

There should, but devs mentioned the core coding of the game wouldn’t allow it.

[azure lintel]

I dont play a ton of multiplayer games, but Crossplay in Diablo 4 makes the game a laggy piece of poop. like its manageable, but if i wasnt regularly selling items online I would NEVER turn on crossplay

[frosty wadi]

Xdefiant has crossplay so most likely

[onyx pasture]

Nowadays, multiplayer games really need some form of crossplay to survive. Its a new standard

[hybrid ore]

Warframe manages full crossplay with mobile and physical platforms, so it is possible.

[molten verge]

in Div1 I played with a PS5 user tho in survival

so I was wondering if crossplay would be possible

[kind veldt]

that's curious

[hybrid ore]

div1 does not have crossplay, it has never had crossplay.

[kind veldt]

but was it PC with PS5?

[azure lintel]

I forgot XDefiant even existed. Poor Ubi (not really) poor Massive... I swear if they had made a looter shooter with the star wars IP and they just let massive so their thing shit would have been diamonds

[hybrid ore]

between ps4 and ps5? sure. but not between different platforms.

[frosty wadi]

Its not msv that made that game

[hybrid ore]

Actually div2 did have PC crossplay with a different platform for a while.
anyone remember Stadia?

[molten verge]

knvm I had schizo

I DIDNT crossplay with a PS5 user

[frosty wadi]

Lol

[molten verge]

mb all

but yeah, how screwed with the coding be

[kind veldt]

i played a game that player numbers tripled due stadia

that game is now dead

[hybrid ore]

So is Stadia lol.

[kind veldt]

unirocnially only thing that was keeping that alive

[hybrid ore]

Imagine how bad you must be at managing things if you screw up something as simple as Stadia.

[frosty wadi]

I wonder how many exotics will be in the dlc

[kind veldt]

three fiddy

[frosty wadi]

I thinking 4

[hybrid ore]

It's the "guy that pushed kinect for xbox" of mess ups.

[onyx pasture]

Well how many did WONY have on launch

[hybrid ore]

Technically any Exotic after WONY was released is locked to WONY.
until recently.

[frosty wadi]

Well at launch of wony

[hybrid ore]

Season 1, so Coyotes and Memento, IIRC.

[frosty wadi]

So the best exotics cool

[molten verge]

can I farm memento through countdown?

[kind veldt]

Big horn, lady death, tardigrade, imperial dynasty, coyote, bullet king

[onyx pasture]

Imperial, Bullet King, Lady Death, Tardi, Big Horn (?)

[kind veldt]

season 3 bud

[frosty wadi]

Maybe we actually get good exotics for the dlc (unlikely)

[kind veldt]

memento was late addition

[hybrid ore]

Coyotes was 100% season 1.

[hybrid ore]

Once a Season is over, the Exotic gets added to the loot pool.

[kind veldt]

coyote was season 1, memento season 3

[onyx pasture]

Id have to look at the NY wall but I dont care enough to turn on the game again

[kind veldt]

i cant remember what gun we had for season 1

[hybrid ore]

"nah you're wrong, you're half right but I'm going to say you're wrong"

:p

[kind veldt]

i do admit i type too fast without fully thinking

[hybrid ore]

Just look up the first Manhunt, it's listed there.

[azure lintel]

https://www.massive.se/project/star-wars-outlaws/

[frosty wadi]

I wonder if we will ever get another hunter themed exotic like memento

[frosty wadi]

The conversation was about xdefiant

Not outlaws

[azure lintel]

i know i brought up outlaws

[onyx pasture]

I wish we had like some indicator in-game what exotics & guns released when. Kinda like how Destiny 2 does

[azure lintel]

OHH

gotcha gotcha

[hexed wyvern]

Xdfiant would’ve cooler if the game retained it’s mature, dark tonefor its characters. I don’t need to see a Cleaner throwing up double peace signs, doing some goofy dance, while saying some cringy ass line. These people burned kids alive for fun.

[frosty wadi]

A dark tone wouldn’t make it better

[hybrid ore]

if anyone's curious about the older seasons, at least some of them, scroll down until you can see the pass: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Tide#91-95

[kind veldt]

i dont think they did it for fun, but yeah xdefiant was wild ride

[hexed wyvern]

You are a negative person fr. None of the characters matched their personalities from their relative games.

[frosty wadi]

Im negative, but Im not wrong

[molten verge]

why tho

[frosty wadi]

The problem with xdefiant is gameplay

[kind veldt]

huh no exotic gun

[molten verge]

when it was released, it was called the COD killer

[kind veldt]

my honest problem is netcode

[hybrid ore]

That is every FPS to be fair.

[molten verge]

but lets be honest here, only Activision can kill COD

[frosty wadi]

Because it was entirely cod players happy about no sbmm

[hybrid ore]

back in the day it was "doom clone".

[kind veldt]

nah some are called halo killers

[onyx pasture]

Nemmy was with the launch of Tidal Basin right?

[kind veldt]

yeah

since first part need adrestia

[hybrid ore]

It's like how for a while every live-service was called "destiny killer", but the real destiny killer was bungie.

[kind veldt]

sometimes you just survive by doing nothing

[frosty wadi]

Still waiting for the day we get an exotic weapon that pairs with mementos and picks up trophies automatically without having to pick them up

[hybrid ore]

valve tactics right there.

[hybrid ore]

If they call it the Momento I will pay them actual money.

[frosty wadi]

Whats funny is bungies cycle of one year of peak, another year of doom, and back to peak

[frosty wadi]

Call it mori, memento mori

[hybrid ore]

I'm just going to be calling it the Morty in that case

[molten verge]

should have caled memento that tbh

[hybrid ore]

lets see if someone gets that one.

[frosty wadi]

Memento is called that as thats essentially latin for trophy

We need more exotics that have synergy

[hybrid ore]

I vote that, but also give them terrible pun names.
I need another Sweet Dreams.

[kind veldt]

are made of tears?

[frosty wadi]

Exotic ar that deploys a charge from your equipped hive on consecutive hits

[kind veldt]

dang got it wrong, it's "made of this"

[hexed wyvern]

And the goofy presentation of the characters.

[hybrid ore]

ah was gonna say, still glad someone got that one!

more 80's synth band lyrics as exotic names thank you.

[frosty wadi]

Lullaby enters the room

[hybrid ore]

I exclusively refer to that one as the Rockaby.

[frosty wadi]

I wish we had exotic skins

They could make so much money off of exotic skins

[hybrid ore]

actually, you may be getting your wish sooner than you thought.

[frosty wadi]

They said transmog, which I don’t mind because I hate the look of coyotes and want to use the umbra mask

But its not the same as skins

[hybrid ore]

I'm almost certain some already do have skins, which transmog would cover anyway.

[frosty wadi]

Well merciless and sweetdreams have “skins”

[hybrid ore]

I have a distinct memory of another one having one, I swear I'm not crazy.

[frosty wadi]

Maybe

[kind veldt]

only those two

sweet dreams and lullaby, merciless and ruthless

[frosty wadi]

I want to see stuff like memento get a descent themed one with green watches, or coyotes get a btsu mask with red smoke

Maybe bighorn with a white tusk skin since its a legendary unlock

[molten verge]

when will we get to use Exotics Cosmetically

I want that BTSU datagloves and Memento Drip

[kind veldt]

surprised we dont have a blue core exotic mask that is just tachanka helmet

[hybrid ore]

What on Krogan planet is a tuchanka helmet

[kind veldt]

tachanka, the dude from siege

[molten verge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altyn_(helmet)

[frosty wadi]

I want that other russian helmet, its similar but has ballistic glass on the eyes

[molten verge]

this?

[kind veldt]

it's easier than rambling a weird russian word you might never heard off

[hybrid ore]

oh the one from that dumb meme.

[frosty wadi]

No thats what I just talked about

[quick wolf]

Merciless/Ruthless and Lullaby/Sweet Dreams are the only two with "skins".
Though for a second, I thought you were talking about the Enforcer.

[molten verge]

Altyn helmet goes hard tho

[hybrid ore]

Yes the first 2 times I got that answer covered it, thanks.

[hexed wyvern]

Just saw this. What do you mean?

[hybrid ore]

Bad idea. I can not explain it simpler than that. Bad.

[hexed wyvern]

Wouldn’t mean you’re wrong, though.

[quick wolf]

Here's a cool sugestion: Let us hide our skills like we do our signature weapon.
I want to see my swanky backpack I just spent $3 on.

[hybrid ore]

Yes it would, it's an awful idea.

[quick wolf]

[hexed wyvern]

That’d be tight. Make our agent clean.

[hybrid ore]

I do that bynotchangingmybackpacksince2022.

[frosty wadi]

Just use different skills

[hybrid ore]

Also certain skills help, but it would be nice to hide them.

[frosty wadi]

I love seeing my skills

It makes them feel more real

[quick wolf]

I just use the signature locked skills then swap to unequip them.

Don't need them anyway when I just blast everything to bits in CD.

It's all I ever play anyhow since I'm grinding Exotics.

[hybrid ore]

That's why you can just have yours seen.
Honestly I'm all for hiding more stuff on the screen. It's too busy.
@frosty wadi actually that's my big thing to change: let us remove as much clutter from the screen as possible.

I don't need an ammo counter, I don't need health packs. If anything a visual marker on us would be more immersive.

[frosty wadi]

I think there is a lot of clutter but a lot of it is necessary

[hybrid ore]

Pull a deadspace.

[quick wolf]

I just have my UI set to hide the Hud.

[frosty wadi]

I think division handles its hud very well

[hybrid ore]

Actually even better, steal one idea from WF that I'm sure they didn't invent: a key pressed shows up your team UI. Same key vanishes it again.

[hexed wyvern]

~90% of the UI renders no actual use to the player, it’s just clutter.

[hybrid ore]

well not 90%, but some should be more contextual.

[frosty wadi]

Thats just false, not even opinionated

[quick wolf]

For the amount of stuff crammed into this game, the HUD is surprisingly tidy, to be fair. Even the way active/passive talents are shown is way better than what most games do.

[frosty wadi]

Im fine if the hud gets more simplistic in d3 but I think the hud is great, unlike something like breakpoint where is like half the screen

[quick wolf]

It just needs some optimization is all.

You can also customize said HUD to scale elements down or up as needed.

[hybrid ore]

I agree, it is. However all I want is to be able to hide elements of it as I personally don't want them, or maybe even just as needed.

[hexed wyvern]

Almost everything in the UI has sound ques to alert the player.

[quick wolf]

I think if you scaled it down enough, it's practically invisible.

[frosty wadi]

Okay?

[hexed wyvern]

Just add a directive that hides the UI and be done with it.

[hexed wyvern]

Meaning you don’t need the UI.

[kind veldt]

i do think it's mostly clean in this game

[frosty wadi]

Can’t you just turn it off

[frosty wadi]

Yeah hud is done very well

[kind veldt]

star wars clone commando is one of those game that has hud meant to be protagonist helmet

that just ends up bieng too busy

while metroid prime has really good clean examples

[hybrid ore]

It's the same in this game, the UI is being projected on to your Scan-Tek eye lenses.

[hexed wyvern]

I think for the ammo counter, skills, armor can only be moved around and not toggled like the XP bar and radar.

[hybrid ore]

which is why shocks hurt so much.

[kind veldt]

well in that game when goo hits your face a visor cleans it

[frosty wadi]

I once again have to say, I feel like you want a different game that isn’t division

[kind veldt]

it's quite funny, but it suffers from being a bit T shaped like clone troopers helmet visor

[frosty wadi]

Got the tactical windshield wiper

[hybrid ore]

I just want to make it clear: I don't want to permanently remove the UI, just disable elements like you can in a lot of games.
this isn't a new idea.

[hexed wyvern]

I mean, there’s already a Fog of War directive, why not add a No UI directive?

[frosty wadi]

I get that, but can’t you just turn it off yourself?

[quick wolf]

I'm thinking about what the UI would be like if it looked more like TF2's HUD.

[hexed wyvern]

You can, bits it’s free XP.

[kind veldt]

unironically yes

[frosty wadi]

Why do you need a reward for that

[frosty wadi]

Star wars so goofy at times

[hexed wyvern]

Like Riven was saying, a minimal UI would enhance immersion.

[hybrid ore]

I don't want a benefit for doing it lol.

that's just odd.

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[molten verge]

whats the difference between Invaded dark zones and dark zones

[frosty wadi]

Black tusk

[molten verge]

other than that

[quick wolf]

I'd like a directive where every NPC that spawns is a warhound.

[frosty wadi]

Uhhhhhh

[quick wolf]

We need party directives that make the game more fun.

[hexed wyvern]

I mean, I don’t, I already toggled the radar off before Fog Of War was a directive, why not turn on the directive for the 25% XP boost.

[hybrid ore]

If we're asking for weird directives, I'd like to request one where every one is an Outcast Rusher, but they all play the headless bomber sound from Serious Sam.

[frosty wadi]

We need all directives available at once in open world

[quick wolf]

I want the grunt birthday party directive.

[frosty wadi]

You don’t need a reward, fog of war is because its an extremely useful tool for combat

[frosty wadi]

Zombie division goes wild lol

[hybrid ore]

Oh they're not zombies, go look up the sound. It'll change your life.

[frosty wadi]

I know but I had that thought

[hybrid ore]

I read that as the bit in ME3 where they just repeat each others names endlessly and was very happy for a second.

[quick wolf]

And I also want my agent's head to get bigger with every kill up to x4 the size. A perfect reflection of my ego.
Please MSV. make this a directive. We need it.

[hybrid ore]

I miss big-head mode in games.

[hexed wyvern]

Invaded DZs are occupied by Black Tusk. ISSAC functionality is limited and you’ll not be notified about nearby rogue agents by ISSAC. Checkpoints also do not have defensive measures like non-invaded DZs. Black Tusk also drop higher quantities of electronics. Invaded DZs only have one supply drop at a time that is guarded by 4 named enemies Invaded DZs have the hardest hitting extraction music in all of gaming.

[quick wolf]

Let's sumbit a formal petition to get big-head mode in Division 2, Rivens.

[hexed wyvern]

Black Tusk sound tracks hit harder than my mother with a wooden spoon and those are facts.

[hybrid ore]

I would, but I've been blacklisted for suggesting "punch keener simulator 2025" too many times.

[quick wolf]

I'll do it. But I have no clue how to start a petition.

[hybrid ore]

That isn't the year of release, it's the number of punches you need to give for each level.

[quick wolf]

That's a lot of punching.

[hybrid ore]

kicks are worth double, but cost more stamina.

[quick wolf]

You'll be just like Bruce Lee by the end of it.

[frosty wadi]

Ngl I want glass cannon but as a directive

[hybrid ore]

See, well thought out idea, mechanics implemented.

notice how I tied it all up

[frosty wadi]

40% player damage but 70% enemy damage

[hexed wyvern]

Uhhhh. Just run glass cannon. Tf

[frosty wadi]

Nah it would be funnier

[hybrid ore]

change.org always gets results and certainly isn't just a waste of time.

[frosty wadi]

Plus glass cannon is just not good

[quick wolf]

It's better when the pain is shared.

Sharing is caring, right teammates?

[hexed wyvern]

💀💀💀🪦

Since we’re on the topic of directives. What do y’all think of a no-respawn directive? When in a group if the directive is active players can’t respawn unless the group is wiped. Similar to how heroic missions are.

[quick wolf]

That's almost like Halo's Iron skull.

[hexed wyvern]

What’s that? 👀👀👀

[quick wolf]

If both players die restart from last checkpoint.
If only one player dies, restart the whole mission.

[small spear]

"similar to heroic missions" means players will respawn when you reach kill thresholds or location marker or opening a door lol

[hexed wyvern]

That’s tight.

[small spear]

not just heroic but legendary or raids/incursion

they don't have to revived by you to come back, the mission can revive them

[hexed wyvern]

You realize heroic missions are no-respawn areas, right? If the group gets whipped, the mission restarts to the beginning unless the group reaches the boss or encounter rogue agents.

[hexed wyvern]

Wait. I’m braindead. I know what you mean now.

[small spear]

lmao

yeah so unless you mean what i said goes away too, it does nothing

if it does go away, i can see it being a very interesting directive. kind of like hardcore-lite but only for a mission

[hexed wyvern]

A no-respawn directive would be tight, but without what you said. Been grouped far too many times where players just die to get armor kits/ammo back. Which again I think the game needs to offer some sort of consequences to dying.

[small spear]

yeah game respawning is used a LOT in speedruns deliberately to teleport further ahead or to get skill cooldowns back

if that goes away it could be an interesting dynamic

[hexed wyvern]

Cheesy as hell.

[molten verge]

is Bullet King with Strikers good

I used it in a couple of countdown matches and it was fun never needing to reload

[lunar hare]

It's okay to use but not the best option, have fun with things at times

[harsh ibex]

It depends. Low base damage.

[quick wolf]

@hybrid ore I did it. https://chng.it/HYRkzRXw7f

[mild mauve]

wait wait wait

they are making the LVOA Full auto again ?

me as an og player from div 1 and 2 is very happy !

[craggy ridge]

the rpm didn't change

it still rifle

[hexed wyvern]

I am pretty sure, as well as another rifle is merging over to full auto if I am not mistaken.

[craggy ridge]

light m4 become full auto too

and it can be playable

[frosty wadi]

When it comes to live I recommend using umbra because of the rpm increase

Umbra will be very good with rifles now

[craggy ridge]

umbra give you 40%rpm

it can use in any auto weapon bd

[frosty wadi]

Its getting an rpm buff

And damage buff

[craggy ridge]

no basic damage

it give CHD

[molten verge]

I finally got st elmos and memento

are they good

[undone timber]

Yes

[limpid breach]

when does the 5x xp event exactly start? sept 28 CEST 9am to oct 1?

[hexed wyvern]

Players wouldn't lose their gear, just the duribility. A piece of gear doesn't ever get destroyed, just durability is effected, which players can always repair as much as they want to as long as they have the related gear fibers and basic materials. A chest piece for example that has 140k armor but is at 20% durability, loses 80% of it's armor value until repaired. I wish ya'll read my bullet points in full instead of picking parts and sh!ting on my head.

[hexed wyvern]

Not sure. Didn't know they posted dates for that yet.

[limpid breach]

There s a counter in the seasonal menu stating when it supposed to start but im far away from pc and im not sure if its friday or saturday 😅

[hexed wyvern]

One sec. I'll check.

[hexed wyvern]

5X XP event starts in 4 days, 1 hour.

[limpid breach]

thank you very much 🥰 Im taking that day off

[hybrid ore]

It's on for 3 days, that seems excessive.

[limpid breach]

With golden bullets, hell yeah. dont you know accidentally if 5x xp applies to expertise leveling too?

[hybrid ore]

It applies to 1000 SHD Levels. That's what it's affecting.

Might be a bit busted if it earned super fast Expertise too.

[molten verge]

how do I do incursions

[nocturne rose]

I really like the PTS changes and the new season structure.
This would be perfect for seasonal Characters 😔

[hexed wyvern]

I agree 100%. 2.0 feels incomplete without seasonal characters.

[nocturne rose]

Division is a Looter Shooter, but the Looting aspect is missing for nearly all of the veteran players. Iam jealous for all the new people playing this awesome game with all things to come with 2.0
Maybe Brooklyn will bring that feeling back for us all

[hexed wyvern]

Agreed 100%. I played maybe 2 hours of the PTS just for the mere fact there really isn't thing to do or an incentive to keep playing after obtaining all of the gear we want/maxing out our character. None of the rewards really matter because I don't need them. Going into each seasons starting off with grey gear and having to loot for higher end gear in order to progress the seasons would've been sick. Once you're maxed out on gear ~99% of all gear/rewards/loot loses it's value. Seasons 2.0 with wipes to me would've been like each season being a 4 month long survival mode. Would've been tight and it's shame seasonal characters are not coming.

[nocturne rose]

💯
That's how many people are feeling right now.

[undone timber]

I don't think they cancelled it because the majority were the ones that wanted it😭

[hexed wyvern]

Actually thinking about how much fun 2.0 would've with wipes frustrates me to no end.

[hexed wyvern]

Reddit is not the game's entire player base nor is it the majority.

[undone timber]

There was severe enough backlash for them to do a U turn I'm sure there were enough that would rather it wasn't a thing

[molten verge]

once again, someone please update me

[undone timber]

If it's the feeling of starting over people want the option is there already without gating seasonal content behind it

[nocturne rose]

It really makes me sad

[undone timber]

Top left meret estate

[hexed wyvern]

same. My heart aches.

[molten verge]

how do I put together a PVP build

preferably for DZ solo roams

[hexed wyvern]

Kind of up to what you want to use really.

[molten verge]

I wanna try System Corruption

But I heard it isnt very good

[hexed wyvern]

Go for it. Try it because you want to, not because of what you heard.

[molten verge]

and how do I know if it works?

[hexed wyvern]

What are you end goals with the build?

[molten verge]

Run around in DZs as a Rogue, and Kill everyone.

idk if it could work for hunting down player rogues

[hexed wyvern]

Only way to find out is to try. that's part of the fun is coming up with an idea for a build, looting for the gear and then trying it.

[molten verge]

I can already put together system corruption, just no idea if it will work

[fickle edge]

did they buff exotic drops recently?

I just got a waveform ninja kneepads and collector chest in 1 hour

[hexed wyvern]

try it out in the DZ. Dying doesn't really matter in TD2.

[molten verge]

me too, I got St Elmos and Memento in 1 hour

also, how good are both?

[fickle edge]

elmo and memento are S tier imo

even after they nerf elmo

memento for solo play is great

[molten verge]

nevermind I had schizo, i dont have System corruption

still what can I put together

[uneven shell]

What exotics should I keep and what should I scrap

[tropic sentinel]

You could keep at least one copy of each cause why not.

[molten verge]

for da collection

[uneven shell]

Where do i do incursions?

the heli outside white house does not have the option

[molten verge]

"It will be a fine addition to my collection"

[lunar hare]

Keep:
Elmo's
Chatterbox
Coyote's
Catharsis
Memento
maybe NinjaBike
BTSU gloves
Scorpio
Mosquito

Trash:
Chamaleon
Rugged Gauntlets
Busy Little Bee (imo)

[uneven shell]

Waveform is trash?

Damn, i got it 2 second ago thinking its good

[lunar hare]

Open the map and go to top left Paradise Lost: Incursion

[lunar hare]

It's okay but not THAT great

[abstract rapids]

Actually, I disagree

Waveform is used on skill build for exemple

[tropic sentinel]

But it's worse than brand gear.

[abstract rapids]

Busy Little Bee can be a good burst of damage when stacked

[lunar hare]

This is my point. There's better stuff to use

[prisma owl]

is it possible to still get the chill out mask ?

[abstract rapids]

Such as ?

Once you get empress 3 PC, 1 Wyvern

[abstract rapids]

drop from the Hoarder

[prisma owl]

where is that

[abstract rapids]

It's a random encounter with a lot of specific spawn point

One is at the start of Jefferson Trade Center

If my memory is good

[prisma owl]

ok thank you

[tropic sentinel]

Depends on build. If you run some turret/drone stuff that does not need haste etc, then it's best to put everything that is not skill dmg to chc/chd. For other builds like gl turret, oxi etc you won't even have a space to put that holster on.

[molten verge]

should I keep backfire?

[lunar hare]

Unless you want to sacrifice dmg attributes (CHD) for hazpro or kill your brain farming Yaahl gear so you don't bleed to death

[tropic sentinel]

Yeah you can just use random smg and get better dmg without all the hassle. But then again, you can simply keep it for collection purposes. Cause there isn't much else to do anyway than collectig useless stuff, cosmetics etc.

[lunar hare]

I would keep Backfire if I want to have fun

[uneven shell]

Is there a way to farm skill damage mods?

[molten verge]

I finally got a Hardcore slot up

[uneven shell]

Is incursions only on normal mode?

[tender wave]

skill damage gear mods don't exist, if you mean +damage skill mods for specific skills then you just have to farm skill mods generally and pray to rngesus

[uneven shell]

ahh was enquiring about skill damage gear mod, didnt know they dont exist

[tender wave]

yes, but it's not the same as Normal difficulty in open world/missions

[tender wave]

skill haste is usually next best option

[molten verge]

Do incursions demand specific builds

[tropic sentinel]

If you want to complete them without struggle then yes.

In general 3x full red dps + 1 medic.

[unique bramble]

Looks like we're getting an outcast incursion

[prisma heron]

How did you know it's an outcast one?

[unique bramble]

Check the pts general chat last image sent

[prisma heron]

Thanks for the pointer!

[twin kettle]

when will start x5 xp event

[raw minnow]

92 hours from now

[azure lintel]

Oh damm that came around fast

[glacial breach]

Armor keeper!?

Why do you keep armor

[uneven shell]

What is the best way to make use of the x5 exp for a new player?

[stoic bane]

Farm open world with as many directives as you can handle. Public executions give you the best exp/time ratio generally

[raw minnow]

Hotshot/Headhunter/Determined will make the 5x super easy and you can probably finish it in a day of grinding. 5 directive control point will give 812k, then 4.06M on 5x

[tender wave]

Golden bullet too, so even easier!

[raw minnow]

Very true, forgot they're overlapping

[twin kettle]

its ture x5 event will be 700mil xp ?

[raw minnow]

Yep, 1000 levels

[twin kettle]

wow

[uneven grove]

Hi! Does anybody think that nerf Striker and St Elme still a good idea? It’s not…

[unique bramble]

Because health is useless even using health ninja bike build

[tropic sentinel]

Why not.

[uneven grove]

Cause we spend a lot of time to get/up our build and change the meta is not a good retention method.

[tropic sentinel]

Well strikers will still be meta.

[inner elbow]

Are you kidding? Strikers+ Elmo is the easiest build to farm

[raw minnow]

If you think Striker will not be meta then you don't know how to math and you want a boring game

[inner elbow]

Tbf strikers is boring

[uneven grove]

I don’t agree. Be overkill is pretty well…

[raw minnow]

What's overkill about a 15% reduction in amp damage? lol

[tropic sentinel]

Be overkill?

[inner elbow]

There are higher-risk higher-reward builds out there.

[raw minnow]

We don't want risky. We want safe and comfy

[inner elbow]

Ive been having fun with Vigil + Thorn in the PTS. it's the less risky version of a Regulus HHF

[raw minnow]

Sounds fun

[inner elbow]

Bit of micro-managing needed though.

[raw minnow]

What's Thorn talent again?

[inner elbow]

Perfectly Brazen

[raw minnow]

And that's the landed shots do more damage thing?

[inner elbow]

Yeah

[raw minnow]

I haven't even made a build with that honestly

[uneven grove]

So, the combo Striker/St Elme still the better DPS with AR or not ?

[inner elbow]

Thorn was also buffed massively in the PTS, that's why it's a good choice now, but not previously

[inner elbow]

It's still good enough. People forget that the P416 was buffed too, which the Elmo is an exotic variant of.

[uneven grove]

Well! Do you know what’s the new big DPS meta build?

[raw minnow]

Eagle is 416, Elmo is M4 damage model

[inner elbow]

Anything with Strega

[uneven grove]

Yeah, they UP Eagle Bearer!!

[raw minnow]

There's no point in speculating because some of these changes might not go through and/or make more changes

Strega is gonna be on every kit anyway

[uneven grove]

Ok…thanks guys for the advices!

[inner elbow]

Strega is as overkill in practice as it is on paper

[raw minnow]

Yep. I think they're gonna tone it down

[molten verge]

Why is St Elmo's good tho

[raw minnow]

Potentially 10% per stack but even so, free amp is free amp

[lime fulcrum]

glad im holding one of my p416s yet 😄

[raw minnow]

Elmo is inherently good because it has great mods, big mag and easy to handle along with free electric bullets for just shooting it

It is a great exotic all things considered

[molten verge]

70 rounds of electric bullets, what more to ask for

[lime fulcrum]

truth be told handling of elmo with striker become laser beam.

[molten verge]

zero recoil

[inner elbow]

Pretty much. Good handling = better ammo efficiency = higher sustained DPS

[molten verge]

So I can use it for incursions?

[inner elbow]

Yes

[raw minnow]

Yeah

[inner elbow]

You can use it for anything

[molten verge]

Also how much dps is considered high

[raw minnow]

Well that has a lot of factors

[molten verge]

Strikers build, and endgame

[raw minnow]

Once your stacks are up, I believe it's anything over 1.2M a crit

But that's only with backpack

[molten verge]

I replaced striker backpack with memento

[tropic sentinel]

Then place it back.

[molten verge]

Current DPS I hit after full stacks is around 3mil ish

Should I also use bloody knuckles

[tropic sentinel]

If you used word dps correctly then 3 mil is piss poor.

[molten verge]

Then how much

And how do I ramp it up even more

[tropic sentinel]

Step one. Don't use memento.

[molten verge]

That's already considering Strikers bag

I measured it with strikers bag, not memento

[raw minnow]

My DPS capped at 12.3M with full striker and obliterate stacks

[molten verge]

How TF do you get there

[raw minnow]

With something that's broken

Coyotes Mask, Striker bag, Ceska Obliterate chest, everything else striker

All red, 52% crit, 172.5% crit damage

[uneven shell]

For newbie, how far can striker set plus st elmo bring me

[raw minnow]

Any heroic content. You'll be a brittle little flower but you just have to know how to take angles and play it well

[molten verge]

How about legendary strongholds

[raw minnow]

I think some people can but I've never tried

[inner elbow]

Yes and yes

Strikers is still the preferable build for most parts of a Legendary missions

Although you may have to make a few changes to it to increase your survivability

[tropic sentinel]

Aka shoot more.

[raw minnow]

Shoot more, get shot less

[inner elbow]

Build is half of the equation, the other half is your skill level

[uneven shell]

can i get st elmo from exotic caches?

[inner elbow]

Yes

[uneven shell]

should i be running st elmo other than other AR if i am using striker?

[full zinc]

Full striker, ceska oblit, elmo , coyote hits the 53/173 mark should see you critting 1.2m+ when stacked ( depending on range and team buffs obv).
I dont put much stock in "total dps" other than comparing weapons. If you can crit for around 1m you'll be melting stuff. Striker Chest hits harder if you can maintain stacks

[uneven shell]

coyote mask?

[raw minnow]

An exotic mask

I'd personally get the Coyote first and use just a decent rolled AR while you're trying to get Elmo

[molten verge]

Does Coyote Mask Drop from Coyote Boss in Heroic?

or better to just do countdown with targeted loot

[kind veldt]

Both

But countdown is better to just buy exotic caches

[raw minnow]

Yep, set target to mask and then also buy caches

[molten verge]

speaking of coyote mask, I got catharsis a couple of times

seen it in PVP builds

[uneven shell]

What build is better than the coyote mask striker build for PVE? Is ouroboros build the best pve build right now?

[kind veldt]

just striker but replace elmo for coyote

shorter effective range but melts things faster

[tulip sinew]

You mean ouro?

[kind veldt]

argh

well, just woke up

[tulip sinew]

I hope the buff on eagle stays, since it's my all time fav weapon

[full zinc]

tbf striker is a strong build but not the only usable dps. nego, highend (HE) red, and hunters fury all have great damage in pve and actually dont require stacking like striker.
personally i prefer nego or HE over striker .

[uneven shell]

highend?

[molten verge]

is Hunter's Fury good with Scorpio and Memento

[full zinc]

all brands, gold set, no green (gearset)

[full zinc]

yes it synergizes well with both

[molten verge]

tried using it in countdown, didnt feel good tho

[uneven shell]

but striker is still the best DPS set right hence everyone is defaulting to it

the stacking mechanic feels bad

[full zinc]

countdown is more longer range stuff, striker, highend, nego better for that

[molten verge]

what content will hunter be good in tho

[raw minnow]

@full zinc is that the three piece Prov, Fox, Coyote and Grupo?

[full zinc]

striker is highest single target damage set. nego on the other hand is the strongest multitarget set . the damage transfer from its talent allows it to out damage striker in a multi target environment

[full zinc]

generally yeah

[raw minnow]

I need to put another one of those together

[full zinc]

could also be fenris, ceska, grupo, coyote, fox's , contractor's

[uneven shell]

whats a good nego build?

one that can compete with striker

[full zinc]

ceska oblit chest, fox's knee, 4pc nego with nego bag

this would be a rifle/ar configuration. can swap fox's for coyote

[tired canyon]

Someone know when the snowslayer get Patch

[full zinc]

found an image i posted before. this is my goto for nego #td2-build-advice message

[real creek]

https://trello.com/c/ucnjcwAp

Looks like it's slated for 21.5 so the next game patch if they do one this season otherwise it'll come with next season.

[tulip sinew]

Anything wich allows you to be close to enemies. If you know the spawns well you can stunlock them easy. Hunter's fury/Regulus headshot build is insane. Ppl play it even in legy

[kind veldt]

it's a high risk high reward build

kills give quite a handy armor on kill to let you keep playing agressively

the stun mentioned above and some other damage bonus

if you play shotgun, you want that stun to give time to reload

[molten verge]

should I use bloody knuckles with Strikers

[real creek]

I mean you can but it's typically better for high health boss burns.

[kind veldt]

do you want to go around using grenades and punching people for the damage bonus?

[tired canyon]

So tommorow is next Game Update

[real creek]

How did you come to that conclusion from what I wrote?

[molten verge]

im just waiting to replace it with coyote mask

[fallow idol]

I predict no one using modifiers after about a week

[limpid breach]

why?

[uneven shell]

Is the grenade glitch patched?

[chilly fjord]

just starting player new to PC division, but have played quite a lot of 1 and 2 when they each came out, anybody got any tips or advice?

[pastel maple]

anybody having trouble with the mooncake project not advancing?

[real creek]

Which part are you on?

[pastel maple]

stuck on The red dragon for 2 days...

[real creek]

That's the end of it...

[pastel maple]

already cleared 4/5 times

[real creek]

You can just refarm the harvest daily.

[small spear]

you already got the harvest. check your inventory

it reappears daily

[pastel maple]

funny, didnt check... thanks

[tired canyon]

Nah

[uneven shell]

@full zinc any idea if the CMMG banshee is still any good?

[worthy onyx]

It will be pretty good next patch, but will be overcame by other smgs like smg 9

[full zinc]

i honestly couldnt tell you. last time i touched an smg was when floor 10 xp farm was still active and it was a chatterbox to make my oxi rapid fire . im all ar/rifle for dps stuff

[kind veldt]

It works well enough

SMGs are mostly good

the ones to avoid tend to be the tommy/thompson, SMG-9, T861 (look like an uzi)

UMP is awkward as a similar to thompson but at least it has lots of mod space

[tulip sinew]

I had a build with m1928 that was hitting 1.5 mil. Long lost tho. Was hf for sure

[uneven shell]

Just to confirm, you can get elmo from caches right

[kind veldt]

yes

[frosty wadi]

I swear to god MVS better not cave to the youtubers upset with the new season, like its obvious they want feedback because of the two part pts but Im worried some of the good things are gonna get reverted

[blissful sable]

Good things like?

[frosty wadi]

Like how 70% of the patch notes are all buffs

Like the worst parts of the nerfs aren’t even being discussed by the people upset

[blissful sable]

To me the worst nerf was the one on sledgehammer. That was a buff that benefitted groups. I am not sure if the Mosquito's buff is adequate to make up for the loss.

There are a lot of buffs. My favorite weapon the honey badger got a buff of sorts so I am happy with that.

[frosty wadi]

Sledgehammer is a pretty devastating nerf, but it was also insanely strong beforehand

[blissful sable]

Yeah, but it made groups have to coordinate. It promoted thinking about encounters and planning an engagement like an ambush. People could not just rush in and try to hog up kills like you see in many mm groups on heroic. Sledgehammer promoted a tactical way of going after the initial wave of an encounter.

It was what I liked about it. You had to plan things out.

[frosty wadi]

It promoted thinking
(Throwing a grenade and shooting)

[blissful sable]

The group holding back for 3 seconds and staging a mini ambush while getting in position to take advantage of the buff.

[frosty wadi]

Where is this

Because I can assure you I have never seen someone use sledgehammer casually

Its always to melt a boss

[blissful sable]

Raids would do it and some of the groups I would be in would do this. We'd quietly get into position while a person with a fire grenade tosses in grenades to clear an encounter quickly as you suggested.

The idea is that you prep an encounter. Sledgehammer rewarded that. It reminds me of X-Com 2 where there was a pre-discovered phase where you could ambush the aliens before you jumped in.

I heard of groups doing this on legendary towards spawn points.

[frosty wadi]

The idea of sledgehammer is for the team to erase the existence of the boss because of a single grenade

I think the nerf on sledgehammer is a little too much but it also is justified

[blissful sable]

It was far better for mobs and groups of npc's. There was the use in speedrunning for bosses, but often it was best at taking on mooks composed of elites and veterans.

This nerf hurts that type of planned engagement.

[frosty wadi]

Good

Sledgehammer was stupidly strong

[blissful sable]

There is still the use of opportunistic. If they were going to nerf sledgehammer, then I wish they had buffed opportunistic. Maybe they also could have made Wicked a group buff as well.

People who play heals don't have a lot of options besides being a heal-bot to help their teams.

[frosty wadi]

Opportunistic is a good talent already

[blissful sable]

There is the survivalist buff, opportunistic, fire/emp grenades, fi chest buff, btsu gloves, scorpio final buff that can help, but these all have to be played in a particular way. Sledgehammer gave the healer another strong option.

This is in raids I am talking about.

[frosty wadi]

Raids are forgettable and not the source of balancing

[blissful sable]

People talk about making the game more helpful for groups and other styles of play. This was a source of that exact type of play.

[blissful sable]

So what you are saying is that you want the game to be more solo and dps orriented, right?

[frosty wadi]

It literally already is lmao

Like have you just not been paying attention

[blissful sable]

I don't think that is a good thing

[frosty wadi]

My man they are literally nerfing solo dps

Sledgehammer is getting hit so hard because it was stupidly strong

[blissful sable]

It was strong, but I would argue it had use. My suggestion would have been to just keep the group buff but lower it to 15 or 20 for perfect. Keep the group play element and synergy there.

As for nerfs on my builds... My st elmos is only at proficiency 4. I use the scorpio for healer/status builds. Striker is a go to for me, but I also use a myriad of High end builds on all 4 of my characters. These nerfs barely graze me.

They do effect new players which worries me.

[spare cove]

And I doubt just buffing Oportunistic would fix the issue with Sledgehammer

[spare cove]

If nerfs and buffs, which is like the bread and butter of live service games, is enough to deter them from playing further. Then maybe they shouldm't play live service games at all

Cuz frankly, I'll never understand "Only buff, never nerf" mentality

[raw minnow]

Hey, lets power creep everything

And then we hit a point where everything is weak again up until one build and we buff it all again

[lyric ferry]

Since last season was less tactical apparel stuff...would you think that next season will give us something like Y5S3 apparel again ?

[spare cove]

Maybe. But I don't see why every apparel needs to be military/tactical

[raw minnow]

When people are complaining we aren't getting Chinese bikini models I don't think military/tactical is what others want lol

[spare cove]

Personally, I'd like more casual/everyday apparel for Division agents.

[lyric ferry]

Don't they go back and forth? Like one is not the next one is ?

[spare cove]

Not always

Y5S2 apparel event involved apparel that are based on techwear/cyberpunk

[lyric ferry]

Yeah and then the one after was tactical

[blissful sable]

The problem with this game in season 1 that broke a lot of the base was the fact it was difficult to become powerful and then Dark Hours showed people how weak their builds were. We 'reintroduced difficulty' in the beginning of year 2 and had a whole lot of people hate the experience with high ttk and the only weapon worth using being the m1a. We've been through the show of difficulty increases being the ideal only to let us down time and time again.

Oh lets not forget how it all drove people to the turret exploit that was amazing, right?

[lyric ferry]

They try to make something for everyone yeah

[spare cove]

Yap all you want. Hate MSV devs if you must. Throw tantrums if that makes you feel better.

End of the day, new players need to get used to the meta changing. And frankly, it was a huge mistake letting Strike be meta for years

[blissful sable]

Nah, I have been through this exact show several times over the last 5 years. There is no tantrum to throw. I know how it will end up. It will play out exactly the same way it always has.

We can nerf striker, but there has to be a clear path to power or else the game will fail. I said it 5 years ago and that point still applies today.

[spare cove]

Whatever

Anything else you wanna show your badassery?

[blissful sable]

I am not a badass. I am just a guy who has been through this for years.

[lyric ferry]

But yeah I hope for more from something like Y5S3 that would be cool...the new suit is cool tho haha

[timber hatch]

Mosquito is pretty strong
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[spare cove]

You're a crusader with an axe to grind. You're nothing

[blissful sable]

How easy is it to use is my concern. It was always clunky before.

[timber hatch]

It is very effective on single targets with lots of health, exactly what sledge was used for. I know your saying you used it in groups, it won't really be useful for that but it's not intended to

[blissful sable]

No ax to grind. I have seen this spiral play out. It is why I have multiple builds and use non-meta items.

[blissful sable]

You did too, if I remember correctly, right?

[timber hatch]

It's also a separate amp from sledge, which still exists you just need to apply that yourself. I think the sledge nerf will just have more people running bloody knuckles in those situations and they will realize how insane that combo has been

[timber hatch]

Did what?

[blissful sable]

Weren't you in raids that used sledgehammer?

[timber hatch]

Of course

[blissful sable]

It has been the meta for those for a while.

[frosty wadi]

we just got that

[timber hatch]

But all those raud situations, with mosquito as it currently is (and I absolutely don't think it will go live as it is tbf), the pts mosquito is FAR stronger

[frosty wadi]

Time we get (a good) tactical apparel event

The last tactical apparel we got was actually awful

[timber hatch]

And even if the mosquito is just a single 40% amp like I assume they intended, it's still very strong

[lyric ferry]

I totally agree here

[blissful sable]

It needed a buff. As for the bloody knuckles. I am sure a have a set or 2 or 3. I may have to stock up on more and let a lefty or 3 get deconstructed.

[timber hatch]

Lefty+bloody for boss burns will be the way imo. Experienced incursion people have already figured that one out.

[blissful sable]

Perhaps the mosquito can work as intended. Generate a real sense of threat from bosses allowing tank builds to be more effective.

[blissful sable]

I need to do the incursion more. I admit it.

[frosty wadi]

Tank builds will literally never have a place in the game

Theres like 2 or 3 that work

[timber hatch]

I think we will just see the tank or healer run mosquito, and people will do their own sledge, and boss burns will be even easier than before.

Which..... With Achilles, sledge, blb, etc, its already FAAAR to easy imo

[kind veldt]

I like the new mosquito a lot

[blissful sable]

It is also fun and rewarding to plan then execute a play like that. It makes the game more than a DPS hungry hungry hippo like you see in Heroic MM.

[kind veldt]

It feels like a gun for tanks to enable coop

I fee like achilles pulse is a failed attempt at making sniper/skill hybrids more common

[blissful sable]

It was always too random unless you put a lot of your primary attributes into skill tiers.

[blissful sable]

That is my hope. I would like to see elements and mechanics in the game that encourage group play, synergy and strategy.

I want some element of difficulty, but I would like it in a way that forces players to adapt rather than just make NPC's more bullet spongey. The playstyle I want to see nerfed is the Hungry Hungry Hippo Heroic MM style of play.

[real creek]

Tanks are gonna be doo doo as long as there isn't a threat mechanic and if there was a threat mechanic we'd probably abuse it to all hell.

[blissful sable]

There is a threat mechanic. It is pretty much DPS. There is no taunt in the game.

[real creek]

Decoy baby

[blissful sable]

There is that and Aegis takes advantage of it. I would like to see it improved or buffed with aegis.

[kind veldt]

if mosquito aggro works properly then we have something now for aggro and support

[mild ferry]

Did new season come out?

[kind veldt]

test server only

[frosty wadi]

Taste server

[mild ferry]

Who has access to it?

[real creek]

Tanks pull threat, until there is a gear set that does that well tanks are gonna be doo doo.