td2-general-chat

[frozen meadow]

ty ill read it tomorrow

[frosty wadi]

Actively boring

[frozen meadow]

conflict is uh

to put it lightly, the shittiest thing this game has to offer

[kind veldt]

feels like they reverted from resolve and decided to jump in acompletely different direction

[frosty wadi]

Resolve was a complete flop

[kind veldt]

nope, it was good

[frosty wadi]

This season feels more like resolve than resolve

Actually addressing balancing problems

[stray rover]

seems the magnum will be the new d50 for headhunting, making determined even more insane

[kind veldt]

oh yeah

of all the things OP determined got scott free

sledgehammer got a huge nerf and kinda attached to mosquito

[undone timber]

Hilarious that they're eating better this season than the last

[frosty wadi]

The outrage if they fixed it would be unstoppable

[neon wyvern]

but they had the balls to kill scorpio

[frozen meadow]

isnt it still technically resolve

[neon wyvern]

Surely they can do the same to determined

[frozen meadow]

just resolve part 2

[kind veldt]

wouldnt say that

[undone timber]

People crutch on determined too hard

[frosty wadi]

Nobody is making oneshot builds every month for thousands of views

[kind veldt]

because snipers they completely reverted all changes

[frozen meadow]

whatever anyways im going to bed

[kind veldt]

well my PTS is downloading and i'm going to do the same

[frozen meadow]

toired as shit

[lethal sonnet]

If they dropped it on Determined it will be more crippling to many than all of these nerfs

[primal skiff]

RAVANOUS IS FULL AUTO

[frosty wadi]

And other rifles

[frosty wadi]

They also work with aces and eights now

[kind veldt]

huh

[primal skiff]

Oh i loved it from the moment i got it

[undone timber]

Ravenous and aces might go pretty hard

[kind veldt]

i wonder if you will get 2 cards per shot

[primal skiff]

Oh that seens interesting

[undone timber]

Considering it counts as one striker stack I doubt it

[primal skiff]

Wait we can also use that with 1896 whatever + determined?

[undone timber]

Ye

[kind veldt]

1886, but yeah

[frosty wadi]

Thats for headshots

[primal skiff]

Off by 10 years

[kind veldt]

talking specifically of the ravenous since it fires 2 shot

[undone timber]

1886 determined going even harder💀

[frosty wadi]

Oh

[kind veldt]

1887 is the shotgun from terminator

[frosty wadi]

I thought it only shot one at a time depending on side

[harsh ibex]

Determined won't be fixed?

[frosty wadi]

Nah

[undone timber]

It's technically two bullets but it doesn't count as two

[kind veldt]

it's not on hte patchnotes so who knows

[undone timber]

Just a style thing

[primal skiff]

Humm so they did shake up a lot of stuff 🤔 my only gripe is elmo but if it still fires like a lazer no recoil i have no problem with the -10 ammo

[kind veldt]

doenst it count as 2 for your ammo?

[frosty wadi]

I mean, its an m4 with handling

[kind veldt]

well my gripes are a bunch of stuff with shotguns

[frosty wadi]

No overlord buff 😔

[primal skiff]

Sure but i will have to try to see but on paper dont sound too bad now that i read so many buffs picaro tho is ded poor kid

[frosty wadi]

To really simple explain the elmos nerf, you can’t just slap it on and expect it to be automatically good anymore

[neon wyvern]

gotta see if the damage gap between elmo and "meta ars" is actually gonna be significant

this time

[primal skiff]

The dps will go down as less mag

[harsh ibex]

We can see it's a monkey business. Etf they doing with brand bonuses? 6.5% chc, 33.33% of repair... Wtf?
What about 13.86649% of chd while moon is visible?

[primal skiff]

Was beautiful before and will be beautiful now if i can make it work

[frosty wadi]

Its because a lot of stuff is getting buffed incoming weapon mods as a whole

Literally every mod has at least one buff

You cant just keep buffing the player without nerfing them

[harsh ibex]

Yeah, but why float numbers?

[frosty wadi]

Because, if you do shit by 5% here, -5% there, you run the risk of too little and too much

The amount of buffs significantly outweigh the amount of nerfs coming

Especially when most of the nerfs affect like, one single gearset and a couple weapons

An entire weapon category is about to have access to a gearset it couldn’t use before and said weapons are becoming viable

[primal skiff]

The balance more i read seems a decent stuff

Especially mmr going full auto

[frosty wadi]

The mmrs being full auto is unnecessary but for rifles its massive

[primal skiff]

I dont have to break my fingers anymore on ravenous

[neon wyvern]

they should make some shotguns full auto so I can have a consistent rate of fire when using strikers

[frosty wadi]

Another factor is a bunch of exotic weapons got buffs

[neon wyvern]

(six12)

[harsh ibex]

What about seasonal character? Canceled?

[primal skiff]

New exotics look good

[frosty wadi]

Yes

[primal skiff]

Yea long back

[frosty wadi]

Meh, the fal will probably be strong but Im not interested

All my attention is on aces now

[primal skiff]

Oh btw when does the update go live or is it live?

[frosty wadi]

Vindicator might also be actually worth using now too

[frosty wadi]

Pts part 1 is tomorrow/today

[primal skiff]

So over 3 days?

[frosty wadi]

Huh

Its a pts for like 3 days yea

Then we get a part 2

Then update soon after

So about two weeks til live

[frosty wadi]

The 20% increase is kinda hype

Still a problematic gun but it might be good now

[craggy ridge]

the ourbro is nerf too weak

[frosty wadi]

Good riddance

Oreo got dunked into the milk too long

[primal skiff]

Ok elmo got hit a bit too hard

[frosty wadi]

No it didn’t

[primal skiff]

/- chd and chc both

[frosty wadi]

5%

its 5%

[primal skiff]

On both

[frosty wadi]

Yea, both were over the average a single normal gun could have of even one of them

This should’ve been how elmos was on launch

[neon wyvern]

the actual significant nerf is -10 rounds

[frosty wadi]

Yea

The -10 rounds might honestly be enough to push people to swap off it

Still salty that iron ling gets crit chance but not bluescreen

[craggy ridge]

goddamn they still have nothing about defense buff

all the buff/nerf most about attack

[frosty wadi]

Defense buff?

[neon wyvern]

[craggy ridge]

emmm

[frosty wadi]

I kinda want to make a heartbreaker build with catharsis now

Both getting damage buffs

[craggy ridge]

I Wanna play auto Ravenous with A8

it must be funny

[primal skiff]

Oh thats a good idea pair with ravenous and u effectivly a TANK

Infinite temp armor

And catharsis will fill up your armor

[primal skiff]

Also - on handling so it will have recoil now previously it had like none

[harsh ibex]

Changing whole game because of new season. It's like eat more for you big t-shirt instead of buying your actual size.

[frosty wadi]

I don’t have rav because the raid its in is terrible and I refuse to do it

Besides Im never letting the lvoa leave my inventory after this season drops

[primal skiff]

I was given it after it dropped for someone a 2nd time by someone from the community server am allways thankfull to them ran raids with them

Now time to try and get EB lol

[frosty wadi]

If rav triggers multiple card flips at once I’ll get it

[primal skiff]

Also it looks like they took the 5 5 from elmo and gave to eb lol

[undone timber]

Ay iron horse is great

Better than dark hours at least

[primal skiff]

I hate IH especially the electic buzz sound on genrator makes my hair stand up

Also dumb but a backfire chc and 90% haz pro build what do u think of that?

On lets say a umbra set

[undone timber]

If the backfire buffs stay it could be a very viable option

[midnight lotus]

pts up n running?

[hexed wyvern]

This game is cooked without seasonal characters and wipes.

[primal skiff]

Can also do on negotiator if it procs

[primal skiff]

Read patches

[hexed wyvern]

I did. Without wipes, the new changes are basically reworked projects and directives.

[hybrid ore]

That's certainly a take.

are you aware of how Modifiers are going to work?

[hexed wyvern]

I am, however I think the underlying issue is that players who have maxed out characters have no real incentive to grind through the seasonal content for the rewards.

My view is a high end piece of gear on a new seasonal character has more value to player than than that same piece of gear would have to a player on a maxed out character.

[hybrid ore]

Explain to me in your own words how you think Journeys, Priority Objectives, and Modifiers are going to work.

[hexed wyvern]

Seasonal wipes would create an incentive for players to loot, grind gear/missions and activities for the rewards in order to prorgress through the seasons.

[hybrid ore]

Also, Manhunts have been totally changed.

[undone timber]

The incentive isn't gear dude it's the content itself

Shake ups to the gameplay loop are always good

[hybrid ore]

before it was 4 small targets, quite a few weeks apart, ended with 1 extra target called a "Prime".
Now it's 14 smaller targets, each a week apart, at least some of which require a riddle to solve, each one giving a small reward and a voice comm, with a Prime Target at the end that has an option for a new custom difficulty that "modifiers mechanics".

Manhunts are going to be wild.

[undone timber]

One a week sounds great

[hybrid ore]

Just to save some time, how Modifiers work is that there are 3 layers of them.
the big ones being Global Modifiers, those are the big game changers. Then you tweak those Global Modifiers with smaller "passive modifiers", which Yannick describes as "a new ultimate ability", and finally you have Hostile Modifiers, which the game chooses for you.

You can disable all Modifiers, and they don't give an xp boost.

[hexed wyvern]

It's the fact players would have to actually loot for better gear to make it through the content like how we had to throughout the original storyline. Even with all of these changes, there's still players who will be going into the new content on the same maxed out characters with nothing to actually grind outside the content. I think the devs had a great idea with their original visions of wipes, seasons 2.0 and should've stuck with theri visions. Wipes would've kept the game feeling fresh each season, kept players engaged and returning each season.

[undone timber]

Not really

You're grinding for the same shit every time it's just repetitive and boring

[primal skiff]

A lot atleast i can log in 1nce a week and have content insted of log in at last week to do it all

[undone timber]

You can make fresh builds without being stripped of your loot

[hexed wyvern]

Game like Tarkov have had the same content for about 8 years, the only thing keeping tha game alive is wipes. Wipe week is more fun and engaging than late wipes because the entire player base isn't maxed out on gear.

[hybrid ore]

@hexed wyvern You seem to be unaware that Seasonal Characters would not have been totally fresh each Season, the idea was that you could transfer all the loot over to your main characters when the Season almost ended.

[undone timber]

This isn't tarkov though

[hexed wyvern]

I understand that, but to play through the seasonal content, we would have to start and play a seasonal character which started us off with generic gear and weapon.

[primal skiff]

U are very free to play another game as well sire but i suggest u play before getting mad at devs

[hybrid ore]

@hexed wyvern Again, nope! You could do it all on your main at the same time as you could transfer stuff.

[hexed wyvern]

But wasn't that only an option during the seasonal intermission during the last two weeks of the season?

[hybrid ore]

....yes, that is what I siad by "season almost ended"

See, this is why I wanted MSV to give out more info about Seasonal Characters before they were cancelled, so few people seem to know the full extent.
I actually wouldn't have minded them that much, as long as they were optional.

However as they have been removed, MSV have stated that something else is going to fill up the space that was taken up by them, but as of right now exactly what that is is undecided/they aren't ready to reveal it yet.

However none of that matters because we finally have an answer as to why we can't have 1-strap backpacks in div2.

[undone timber]

My beef with seasonal characters was that they made it sound like to play new content you had to do it on a fresh character

[hexed wyvern]

I wish hardcore mode would see some updates. I was excited as all hell for wipes and am now disspointed as all hell they are getting cancelled.

[hybrid ore]

tl;dr: models be wacky.

[undone timber]

If you got some kind of incentive and it was optional it'd have been cool

[lethal sonnet]

Any changes to fast hands afawk

?

[undone timber]

Less stacks

[hexed wyvern]

That to me is what would've made each season feel fresh and worth playing through.

[hybrid ore]

Actuallly about Hardcore Mode: "we're looking into it for this Season/the future".

[lethal sonnet]

So maxed reload speed decreased?

[hexed wyvern]

that be tight as hell.

[undone timber]

No way it might come out of beta

[hybrid ore]

And far more interestingly for the rest of us: Spec Rework is not dead, ofifically!

[undone timber]

Yes

Slower reloads

[hybrid ore]

"the initial version wasn't strong enough, so we started over".

[lethal sonnet]

Alr

[hexed wyvern]

Hardcore mode has so much potential it drives me crazy it hasn't seen much attention.

[hybrid ore]

I mean, the amount of games that added a Rogue-lite or perma-death mode at a later date, and div2 has both now.

[neon wyvern]

allow me to skip dc story and I'll play hardcore

[hexed wyvern]

I think seasonal wipes would've re-inserted a level of grind and gameplay most of the player base hasn't experienced in over 4 years. I created a new character about two months ago and forgot how different both the open world and DZs feel not going through the game on a fully maxed out character.

[hybrid ore]

Also there was a small hint that Exotic Transmogs may be finally on the way, but it didn't sound all that confident to be all that soon.

and also new hairstyles are something the team has been working on for a while, but again: not soon.

[warm minnow]

All i want is chinas dino suit

😭

[hybrid ore]

they actually mentioned the chinese div2 content
I know, i was shocked they acknowledged it too.

[hexed wyvern]

My main issue with hardcore mode atm is the fact we have to start from the very start of the game and do the intro missions again. If hardcore mode could find a medium where dying is punishing, but not to the point wer have to start from the very beginning.

[warm minnow]

Yeah that’s was very surprising.

[hexed wyvern]

Where did you find this and where can I get more information about updates to hardcore mode.

[hybrid ore]

This was all on yesterday's stream, I live typed out the info given out.

[hexed wyvern]

gotcha. I wasn't able catch the live stream and have only been able to get info from the patch notes and Youtube re-caps.

[hybrid ore]

If you go down from here onwards, this is where it starts: #td2-general-chat message

final one is "feedback, feedback"

[hexed wyvern]

I must be blind, where can I find the feedback section?

[hybrid ore]

PTS channels aren't open right now, that's where you send it

[hexed wyvern]

gotcha. okay.

[hexed wyvern]

hold the phone. Spec re-work. The speacilization re-work?

[low lily]

I understand they don't wanna maybe get the Chinese version exotics over our version because stats are so different but I am still amazed they aren't trying to get us the legendary missions or the game mode.

[hybrid ore]

In their own words "it's an entire separate team". So anything they add over has to be done manually, and it's on a case-by-case basis, entirely up to MSV's discretion.

[warm minnow]

Also I am not ready for legendary weapons powercreep

[low lily]

That I remember but they haven't gotten anything over our version. Again some stuff makes sense like the bigger dz what they are getting, that 32 man dz and they apparently have like dz bosses now or some stuff. We can't have it already because last gen consoles

[hybrid ore]

No point in speculation or assuming why something can or can't be. MSV know the other version exists, they'll add it as they can/choose to.

[molten verge]

whats gonna be in Y6S2?

[warm minnow]

Yes

[unborn vigil]

Is it real thag we will be able to modify our ISAC bricks?

[azure lintel]

It’s in game modifiers. They won’t work the same way skills do

As far as I’m aware anyway

[dull cypress]

i'm assuming 7hrs ish till pts?

[craggy ridge]

3 hrs to pts open

[heavy cove]

Does strikes not have an increased loot allocation? I’ve checked everyday for the past few days and it’s nowhere is ever increased loot for it

[dull cypress]

where'd you get that info

[undone timber]

The map is too small to have everything at once

If you need specific gear go to countdown

You can choose what you want

[heavy cove]

I have give up with countdown. I been trying that for a few days after someone suggested it. Never found a party or instantly kicked. Was matchmaking for 4+ hours yesterday

[undone timber]

You're supposed to matchmake on challenging

You will find a game in less than a minute

[heavy cove]

Which is what I did.

[undone timber]

It didn't take you 4 hours to find a game

[heavy cove]

Your right it didn’t, because I didn’t find a game

[undone timber]

Were you doing Anderson

[heavy cove]

Like I said, I got some games but was instantly kicked out of the party

[heavy cove]

No idea. I just clicked countdown matchmake challenging

[undone timber]

There's two different icons one for the Anderson manhunt one for countdown

[heavy cove]

Hmm

I just use the Home Screen

And click matchmake for countdown. But I will try again. Found a game just now and instantly got kicked :D

Maybe I just don’t look friendly? 🤣

[warm minnow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t see much people care about challenging cd.

[undone timber]

It's really hard to get kicked from challenging

[warm minnow]

Rare that it’s happening to you tho

[harsh ibex]

Farm some build in open world 1st. You need at least something. Then less chances being kicked.

Also it could be internet problem or game bug. Restart and try again.

[warm minnow]

Nah people don’t really mind carrying people in challenging due to how easy it is.

Its just rare when people get kick in it.

[harsh ibex]

Connection issue I think. If there is no region in ecs menu then you need to do something with your internet. Just Wi-Fi icon without region bugged and sometimes it's impossible to find randoms .

[heavy cove]

My internet is pretty trash my internet is awful and cuts out a lot of, but said I was matchmaking still

Will re enter whenever it cuts out to see if that solves it!

[copper cape]

can anyone suggest me a bleed build

[raw minnow]

@copper cape typically wanna ask in #td2-build-advice, but Ongoing Directive is a passive bleed build that's really easy to put together. If you go to the pinned build sheet and check it out it's all laid out

[copper cape]

thanks will look

[grand swan]

Ongoing directive is so simple yet complex to use if you got nothing to stack it with

[raw minnow]

I built it last night and was really never losing stacks. Firewall shield, sadist gun and scorpio

Scorpio gets them by proxy and chem launcher is for AR

[unique bramble]

Time to shine PC players, PTS is up

[thin ivy]

Hi

[flat flower]

I think I'll stay on the current version of the game where everything isn't nerfed into the ground lol

They did the MP7 so dirty

[worthy onyx]

Nothing is nerfed to the ground, the current meta can easily clear heroic content no issue in the next patch

Everything is viable, just not BIS

[flat flower]

But what makes no sense to me is that during Project Resolve, they buffed a bunch of gear to make it more optimal. After the patch notes, a good majority of stuff they just buffed not long ago got nerfed... Didn't the devs say they weren't going to nerf things, but instead buff things?

[undone timber]

I really like where they're going with it

But they definitely need to revise shotguns

[worthy onyx]

I don't recall the devs saying such a thing.

The nerfs were really deserved on a couple of items, like oro, elmo and scorpio

[hot cape]

Vector with killer seems more fun than oro after changes

[brazen nexus]

can we all universally agree

[raw minnow]

no

[brazen nexus]

that ubisoft is cooked

[tropic compass]

Wow i had #news-and-announcements muted for the longest time

[bronze pilot]

Hello pro gamers, months ago I heard that seasonal character system was being implemented, now that PTR is here, and nobody is mentioning seasonal character, did they completely ditched the system?

[raw minnow]

Yeah they removed it due to feedback

[obsidian dawn]

those news are amazing!! warms my heart!!

[novel moat]

Can I please buy the older emotes like the Smooth dance ?

[primal fiber]

How can i install the games ?

Ios

[tiny oar]

where u bought it ? ubisoft store or steam ?

[tropic sentinel]

Probably apple store.

[proven kettle]

Anyone excited for aces and eights buff ?

[rose hare]

i can't find the pts in my library for some reason

[tiny oar]

check hidden games

[rose hare]

i did

[tiny oar]

use search bar

[rose hare]

i also did

basically i tried everything yesterday

still nothing

[chilly sierra]

Those patch notes read as if theyre making the game only for the players of the lowest ability.

[tiny oar]

u searched with the word division ?

and it gave you nothing ?

[rose hare]

yep

[chilly sierra]

When are they going to buff legendary? I thought they memtioned a harder difficulty was coming?

[tiny oar]

they mentionned new difficulty with new mechanics, nothing else

[chilly sierra]

What's it called so I reread in case i overlooked

[tiny oar]

master i think ? i dont remember all

[chilly sierra]

That rings a bell.

[half leaf]

Why is chinese Division 2 s different? super sexy outfits for female agents, new maps for conflict, summit maps are totaly different, they look awesome, like open world map, why is chinese verson so much better than western version!?

Remove region lock, make it easy to find players

[tiny oar]

its a totally different game, f2p but also pay 2 win

you cant farm your way to endgame

you wouldnt like the chinese version

[low lily]

Also pretty sure they have only 1 conflict map tho, but their conflict is really different everyone has the same gear

Also summit is done differently, it's a solo only experience

[tiny oar]

cant wait for the wave of people asking why pts doesnt work but they downloaded div 1 pts

[ebon steeple]

I thought Elmo was getting nuked this pts but its insanely buffed

[raw minnow]

Well the M4 got buffed so yes

But also goes to show how broken it was already

[ebon steeple]

If anything EB got nuked I lost 10k dmg

[raw minnow]

I wouldn't call that nuking but that's probably due to losing inherent crit chance in the build or the build itself. P416 got a buff and it got uptick in crit chance and crit damage on the mods

Or it could just be bugged

[ebon steeple]

No p416 dmg got brought down to the m4

[lusty kite]

hello so i played division 2 back a few years back and decided to start playing again. however, when i tried to play, a confirmation code i think was sent to my email. I logged in my division 2 email but to my luck it has been deactivated by google due to inactivity. I tried sending appeal but to no avail. Is there a way I can recover my account?

[ebon steeple]

R u talking ubisoft code or division 2 code

[lusty kite]

I cant remember it now. i tried logging it again last year I think.Im on a new pc.my old pc is broken

[ebon steeple]

Cuz if it's u Ubisoft ur gonna have to go through the thrilling process of Ubisoft support

[frosty wadi]

Yea eb got buffed so if its worse then its a bug or your stats

[lusty kite]

its okay if i go through this. I just wanted to recover it. I just dont know how

[frosty wadi]

That message was so late

[ebon steeple]

No the p416 which the eb takes it's base stats from got nuked

Look at the card for ARs the m4 and p416 are nearly identical

[frosty wadi]

Ah

[ebon steeple]

So Elmo and eb are nearly identical

Which is dumb

[frosty wadi]

I mean, its dumb but not the biggest deal in the world

[raw minnow]

Yes but because it got an RPM increase it's burst dps is now higher by 4.7%

[frosty wadi]

It also has higher mod stats

[raw minnow]

Yep

[kind veldt]

do we still need to make new agents to get the new exotics?

[raw minnow]

I'm watching someone right now and it doesn't seem like it

[ebon steeple]

I looked at all the caches at vendor and it didn't have the new stuff

[kind veldt]

yeap new characters gets the new stuff from the get go

[ebon steeple]

So new character stash it then go to main genius

[raw minnow]

Strega looks insane though

[kind veldt]

well thats what i did, strega does look strong

bit confused does the fall now have 30 rounds and i missed that?

[raw minnow]

20

[kind veldt]

huh strega has 50

[raw minnow]

Got bumped in RPM from 650 to 700 and a damage reduction

[kind veldt]

and magazine mod only gives it +20

20 +20 is not 50

[ebon steeple]

It has 44 for me

Also can anyone reroll it?

[raw minnow]

You can't

[kind veldt]

oh

[raw minnow]

Do you have mag size elsewhere?

[kind veldt]

mine came with extended mag, huh

[raw minnow]

Oh as your third roll?

[ebon steeple]

Striker build so nope

Oh the crafting cache gives the new stuff it just doesn't say it does in the menu

[frosty wadi]

No

Oh nvm you mean pts

[ebon steeple]

Wtf is this new exotic AR I'm hitting crits around 2-3 million

[kind veldt]

it amplifies damage i think up to 4x5 times?

so 60-75% amp

[ebon steeple]

Max of 5 marks a target

[viral mesa]

Any help on where I can find the taxi location on the first PTS manhunt activity?

[raw minnow]

Yeah, Strega gonna be nerfed before release. The marks don't last long but if you have five marks on an enemy you're doing a shit ton of amp

[raw minnow]

Foggy Bottom Taxi Graveyard Control Point

[limpid pond]

so this is weird, in normal game, using my exact Strikers/Coyote/Grupo - St Elmos build, i can do 1,294,117 max crit dmg.

PTS Claims a Nerf on St. Elmos, Strikers and Grupo right..........

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[limpid pond]

in PTS using the EXACT same build as my snapshot has this build..........

i am now doing 1,515,380 Max dmg on a crit hit....... But all of that was nerfed, how am i doing MORE damage after a nerf?

[kind veldt]

did you deactivate the seasonal modifier?

[limpid pond]

i havent done ANYTHING

[frosty wadi]

Thats probably why

[limpid pond]

i went to the shooting range on normal game, did the test, then loaded the PTS and did the exact same thing

[kind veldt]

is there a extra hud thingy when you aim at a target showing colors on the side?

cause thats the seasonal thing in the PTS that comes ON by default

[small spear]

police m4 got buffed so that makes elmo get buffed too

[frosty wadi]

^

[small spear]

case by case basis but in this case elmo is almost verbatim a m4 with mods

[limpid pond]

yet they exclusively said the St Elmo's got a nerf

[frosty wadi]

Because it did

[limpid pond]

and yes, that reticle thing is there

[frosty wadi]

All weapons got tweaked

[kind veldt]

then you are doing 1.25 damage by default

[limpid pond]

da fuq?!?!

[kind veldt]

click on the isac thing right next to your backpack in the gear menu

and press F to deactivate it

correction you deal 1.2 up to 1.5 damage depending on the range between you and the target

so your damage is always amped

[limpid pond]

hostile modifiers?!?!?!? WTF Who thought that was a GOOD idea?!??!

[kind veldt]

cant have free damage

thats why you can turn on and off at will

[limpid pond]

massive getting more and more tarded with this

[kind veldt]

chill

[fair lake]

You already kill everything within 0.01 seconds, there should be some countermeasures to becoming even more powerful

[limpid pond]

sorry but Ubi and Massive's ideas of "Fun and innovative ways" are definitely a bit odd and counter intuitive.

[unique bramble]

That's quadruple A gaming experience for you

[frosty wadi]

???

So you want the game to remain boring and easy?

You can just not use the new modifiers

[limpid pond]

just look at Ubi's trending path over the last what? 6 months .....

The infamous statement by the CEO, concerning game ownership. They killed off the most anticipated game we were looking forward to Heartland, because oh woe they offend Disney and Star Wars by not taking up Outlaws ( Extremely broken by the way yet again ) they almost killed off Division 2, now they are butthurt because we never asked for this seasonal characters nonsense and got some of the worst backlash ever and lost a significant number of players within a week, so they had to come up with some other kind of way to get more backlash. They killed "The Crew" tying back to the statement of Ownership.

And No @frosty wadi id rather them come up with new content and above all, fix the bugs that some of them have plagued the game for almost 2 years now and yet still remain in the game despite being listed as medium to high priority. instead they just find ways to piss off a majority of the community. people build these builds with a lot of time, only to make them mainstay builds to have fun, but time and time and time again, Ubi and Massive just have to ruin them. every time, a meta build has been created, they nerf it.

[frosty wadi]

Holy yap

[elfin hazel]

if this isnt new content what is

[limpid pond]

okay, holy yap...... good bye

[elfin hazel]

besides what do you expect them to do forever buff meta builds they nerfed overall a few things and buffed a TON of things

[frosty wadi]

Im normally negative towards these devs, but this new season is literally everything Ive been asking for

[limpid pond]

i never said they had to buff meta builds, now you are putting words in my mouth. just because its a meta build does not mean it needs to be nerfed everytime someone comes up with one and people use it significantly over other builds or even themes of builds.

[elfin hazel]

balancing will always have nerfs and the big 3 that got nerfed def deserved it they're not going to be unusable because they're not #1 you can still very much use them

[frosty wadi]

The problem with the meta in this game is that its just better than everything else by a wide margin

Now that margin is cut down

[elfin hazel]

its just not healthy for the game to have new players funneled into strikers elmo build for the rest of their life because why change your build if you just get told just make this build and you''re set for 99.95% of the games content

[frosty wadi]

Elmos is a horrible exotic because of the fact that its the free slot in

It was just too good and too easy to get

Why bother with a normal ar when you can slap on elmos

Why even use an lmg when you could use a 70 round ar

The meta was bad

Strikers is still good, elmos is still good, even scorpio will still be good

[broken solstice]

i havent been frustrated with anything yet. kinda pleasantly surprised

[kind veldt]

try using double barrel shotgun

it's 4x times worse for no reason

[limpid pond]

anyone ever notice that the St Elmo's is a left handed rifle? Look at it really closely and see the ejection port is on the left side, yet the casings still eject from the right

[kind veldt]

it's really insulting that one

[frosty wadi]

Has anyone tested aces yet

[azure lintel]

I cant get the pts :/

[glacial breach]

This ain’t the clash of clans discord server

D:

[ebon steeple]

Elmo is better now tho

[frozen meadow]

Discovered the new meta

[frosty wadi]

I feel like that was completely unintentional

And it might get nerfed

[ebon steeple]

How is it unintentional it's the stats for the m4

[frosty wadi]

I mean its pretty obvious they wanted to nerf elmos

And accidentally buffed it through the m4

[ebon steeple]

Or they nerfed the attachments cuz they knew they were giving it a ton more base dmg

I'm 90% confident they wanted the eb and Elmo to perform nearly identical so noobs afraid of raids wouldn't have to worry about getting a eb

[frozen meadow]

Eb kinda shit tho

[ebon steeple]

Well yeah it just lost like 10k dmg

[frozen meadow]

I meant handling

The famas looks like it's back to being bis

[ebon steeple]

The handling ain't that bad but I'm controller so maybe that's why

[frozen meadow]

It's way worse than famas

[bitter wraith]

Why is the auto aim when using regulus all over the place? When I try to shoot enemies with it, it hits everything EXCEPT the target

Fine with white death unscoped but with that thing the targeting icon is all over the place

[frozen meadow]

Wow they killed obliterate

[white mica]

They probably gonna kill the one shot mmr build

[tiny oar]

they didnt so far, nothing in patchnote

[frozen meadow]

Nah

They definitely didn't

[white mica]

They still got time! haha

Maybe next year

[tiny oar]

meh, other builds are ok

[grand swan]

They obliterated obliterate

[frozen meadow]

Precision strike will be interesting(ly broken)

[dapper parrot]

Anyone tryna run incursion?

[stark heron]

Yikes

[frozen meadow]

Not really

They killed a lot of meta

[stark heron]

Honestly deserved

[frozen meadow]

I think it's a great thing

[stark heron]

In exchange for buffing weapon mods and rifles compatible with aces

[frozen meadow]

I'm not gonna have much time to play unfortunately :(

[opaque dagger]

@thin nebula @vivid edge @sly cedar Hi and thank you guys for ouroboro nerfs i had so hard time to drop it and when i did now its getting nerf so it will be weak as vector thakns so much now i going to cry😭

[frozen meadow]

Don't ping staff

Read the rules

[tiny oar]

rules are for people who can read so they cant stop us

[opaque dagger]

you treat them how they treat you so no rules for devs no rules for us simple as that

[tiny oar]

did the devs pinged you ?

imagine nerfing a weapon and people think they are entilted to harass you

[opaque dagger]

imagine paying for game and you dont get what you paid for?

[tiny oar]

paying for a game doesnt allow you to harass people, not did you pay for a thing saying "never nerfing weapons"

[opaque dagger]

first of all im not harassing anyone just give thanks for what they wanna do with game

[tiny oar]

you litterally are breaking the rules of the discord man

[opaque dagger]

ok maybe its my english that is not good or you are just corrupted person so there is noone to talk to so i dont wanna waste my time bye i go cry for my ouroboros nerfs

[hexed wyvern]

All I am saying, seasonal characters would've tied all of these chagnes in 2.0 together.

[tiny oar]

yeah people telling you to not harass devs are corrupt good job xd

if you dont like the game just dont play, thats not complicated

[kind veldt]

Dont see that, as you wouldnt have a build to work around the modifiers

[limpid pond]

Rule 8 – Respect the Moderators and Ubisoft Staff Members
Any kind of unsolicited direct messages or mentions to Ubisoft Employees or Moderators are not allowed.

^ ^ you did literally this.

[kind veldt]

Would reccomend just using @trim crag instead of continuing this discussion, solves the issue

[opaque dagger]

yeah but writing 1 time is harrasing already? or its like you come back and write again and again? didnt know i cannot ping them yeah my fault for not reading the rules i dont get this Lyfe

[tiny oar]

yes, harassment is when you ping people that explicitely said not to ping

[kind veldt]

People are a bit hotheaded over the changes, everyone should just chill for a sec

[tiny oar]

one time is enough

[hexed wyvern]

Ain't gon lie. This game does get boring because of how easy it is. Really wish they would've stuck with their ideas with seasonal characters. Playing through content without a fully maxed out build feels completely different.

[tiny oar]

just chill

its a game, some changes will not go trhough

just chill, see what happen, if its still fun play, if its not just stop, nothing to be mad about

[kind veldt]

They gave enemies modifiers to make game harder

[limpid pond]

but then you went on to validate yourself saying the mods and admins dont have rules, therefore we should'nt have rules either, so you tried to excuse and justify yourself.

all it takes is one time........ simple as that

[opaque dagger]

yeah but im not mad im sad thats diffrent and you jumped me

[tiny oar]

you're mad, you went and harass devs without even reading any rules, being sad dont do that

just chill man, really

we didnt jump you, you litterrally harassed devs, we told u to stop

we are happy to talk if you wanna talk

[hexed wyvern]

But still, what's the point to continue playing if you have nothing left to loot? There's no reason, motive or incentive to keep playing after obtaining the gear you want and maxing it out. The loot pool loses all value when maxing out a character. They really should've just stuck with seasoanal characters to let the player base formally try them so we could give actual feedback based off of experience.

[tiny oar]

there is the story ?

[wheat glen]

Hey guys,

I just want to tell you that if this player: "mambarazer93" applies to join your clan, he's being underhanded.

He only became leader of the clan I founded back then because of my inactivity, but now somehow he kicked me and my friend with whom I founded the clan, us, and then he dissolved the clan. We often asked him to give up the leader.

He's still a child in his head, but otherwise he's old enough for the game.

This isn't a hate campaign against others! This is just information!

[tiny oar]

dont do that, this is witch hunting plz

[opaque dagger]

sure maybe we talk after update go live now dont have anything to ask or something

[hexed wyvern]

I guess, but still isn't enough incetive to keep playing when all of the story rewards render no benefit to players on maxed characters. What does a fully geared player still need resources and gear caches for?

[tiny oar]

well, if you did everything the game ahs to offer, might be time to get another game ?

not all games can be played forever imo

[opaque dagger]

or maybe one thing i saw vindicator in descent is there any easy way to get currency there?

[hexed wyvern]

That's the point I a making, they should've stuck with seasonal character to keep each season feeling fresh and actually feel like a new seasons in which is different from the last.

[tiny oar]

yes, win vs bosses in descent, it gives you currency

[wheat glen]

This is just an info! And no witch hunt!, just want to share my **experience **with you

[tiny oar]

too much player backlash, so devs canned it sadly

[tiny oar]

this is not info man

[soft grove]

The game is going backwards rather than forwards

[opaque dagger]

so i need to chose high difficulty rooms for better reweards yes?

[hexed wyvern]

They should of pushed seasonal characters into the PTS. I mean, the game already suffers from a low player count, they really don't have much to lose at this point. Regular wipes would've attracted many more players than the game has now.

[frosty wadi]

No :3

[hexed wyvern]

It's just the fact we didn't even get to test them before they got canned.

[tiny oar]

idk, but i think devs decided that too much backlash was not great and they should push changes more slowly

[frosty wadi]

You know why? Because it wasn’t balancing, it was just to force you to be weaker

[soft grove]

Are they still roiling out a new difficulty level above legendary?

[frosty wadi]

Yes for manhunt missions

[hexed wyvern]

Isn't that what makes grinding engaging? Forcing players to have to go out to actually farm, loot, grind for gear and scavange for materials in order to gain power, better gear and to be able to progress through the season? LIke how the main storyline is, where each district was broken into levels and we had to level up and find better gear to go through the story.

[frosty wadi]

I think you misunderstand the point of grinding

[hexed wyvern]

Think it's called master difficulty or something.

[frosty wadi]

Grinding doesn’t matter when 90% of things suck

[soft grove]

So how do they expect us to run master difficulty with all the nerfs they are planning?

[frosty wadi]

Do you not realize the buffs we are getting

[hexed wyvern]

The gameplay loop the game offers on a new character is the very definition to what grinding a game is.

Going through seasonal content on the same maxed out build and character is not grinding.

[frosty wadi]

So how is being forced to restart every season better

[soft grove]

hahaha buffs on weapons and gear nobody uses but now are forced to use by the devs

[hexed wyvern]

The original idea of wipes and the new manhunt was every week the manhunt target would gradually become more difficult which would in turn force players to grind for better gear.

[frosty wadi]

You clearly didn’t look at the patch notes and it shows

[tiny oar]

by using your brain and the gear that is good ?

there is still a lot of good stuff

[limpid pond]

grinding for materials is grinding, regardless of what context it is. grinding is grinding, whether its building up Proficency or Expertise or materials..... its still grinding.

[tiny oar]

also most nerfs didnt make the gear unusable

its just not op now

[hexed wyvern]

but all that grinding ends when a player maxed out their character.

[frosty wadi]

Expertise.

[hexed wyvern]

How is that a grind when players are sitting on maxed out resources, 1k+ watch points and can updgrade every new piece of gear in 5 minutes.

[frosty wadi]

Are you serious

[tiny oar]

with how much it cost to upgrade stuff, 5min is a strech

[limpid pond]

players have on average 4-6 builds, the grind alone to get to Exp 27 is hundreds if not 1000+ hours.

[hexed wyvern]

Players having 4-6 builds is why the game needed wipes. How will Seasons 2.0 hold up 6-7 months from now when seasons 2.0 still has the fundamental issues that we have now?

[kind veldt]

Forced to farm regulus every season would make me drop the game, make my effort meaningless

[frosty wadi]

Also I love how everyone says “why buff stuff nobody is using”

Like do you not see the problem there

[limpid pond]

to counter that, we have bugs in the game that have existed for 2+ years now, with endless promises to fix them, instead, we got things we never asked for

[hexed wyvern]

Would call it meaningless, because all of the XP you gain was going to transfer to your main character. I don't think people are considering how vastly different the gameplay is on a maxed out character vs a newer character.

[frosty wadi]

The difference is you are forced to not be op

[kind veldt]

My point is that new characters are god awful

Modifiers wouldnt have fixed that, this is not a diablo that characters and classes varu enough to have depth while leveling up, the road to end game here is good for one playthrough when you start

[hexed wyvern]

Them backtracking on wipes is 100% a step backwards in this game's long term health. There's nothing Seasons 2.0 offers that will keep players engaged and returning each season. Having to play through on a seasonal character brings value to loot and rewards not because we want them because we NEED them to progress the story. A named piece of gear or high end item has more value to a player on a sasonal character than those same pieces of gear do on a main character.

[frosty wadi]

Why

Why is it a backstep

How is not being forced to be weaker every season a bad thing

[kind veldt]

There is mentions of reworking hardcore characters

[hexed wyvern]

I don't foresee Seaosns 2.0 without wipes extending TD2 life cycle up until TD3 like how they planned.

[frosty wadi]

No, you don’t foresee it because you are salty

[kind veldt]

Delete your character every season? Wouldnt that achieve what you want?

[frosty wadi]

^

[hexed wyvern]

Wipe week in Tarkov is more fun and engaging than mid to late wipe merely due to the fact every player in the game isn't decked out in the best gear the game has to offer. Same principle applies here.

[limpid pond]

they should have never cancelled Heartlands then, that was the gap coverage

[frosty wadi]

wipe in tarkov is for balance reasons, like wtf

Because its a pvpve game with an economy

[kind veldt]

This game wasnt build with wipes as features, adding late game would wreck more than fixes

[hexed wyvern]

You can't. Main charaters are saved on the cloud, even if you delete your main creating a new character just adapts the progress of the deleted main. There's no actual way to hard reset your character.

[frosty wadi]

Seasonal characters weren’t a hard reset lmao

[hexed wyvern]

But wipes are still the main reason players get back into the game. That dogwater game wouldn't have anywhere near the playerbase if player were hoarding the same gear they got 8 years ago.

[frosty wadi]

The people upset about seasonal characters haven’t put any actual thought into the system

[hexed wyvern]

What I mean is there's no real way to start a new character from scratch like how seasonal characters were going to be. Staring off with generaic gear, weapons and level 1 watch.

[kind veldt]

Game was made with wipe, expertise is the antithesis of wipes

[limpid pond]

do you seriously expect someone to make 1200 SHD ranks to fill the watch in a single season?

[hexed wyvern]

Seaonsal character would re-introduce an grind most of the palyer base hasn't experience in over 3 years. Loot, resources, materials, projects missions rewards would all increase in value because we don't have stashed filled to the brim with every piece of high end gear the game has to offer.

[kind veldt]

Hardcore characters

[hexed wyvern]

In the span of 4 months how is hitting 1k SHD isn't a far stretch, espcially when XP progress is doubled, so that's like having to hit only level 500 in 4 months.

[hexed wyvern]

I wish hardcore mode would get some attention and updates. They should just make hardcore mode seasonal characters and eeryone can be happy.

[kind veldt]

They said it was getting updates

[limpid pond]

not everyone is a expert player, so wiping ones watch and having to start over IMHO is a killer for me, i worked hard to get my watch filled.

[kind veldt]

Get updated information

[hexed wyvern]

Let's hope so.

[frosty wadi]

No lmao

[hexed wyvern]

Only thing I saw was that they don't have plans on updated the mode for this season but are looking into for the future.

[frosty wadi]

Seasonal characters would have ruined the game, it would have pissed off a majority of the community

[limpid pond]

it effectively did, they left

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[hexed wyvern]

the game had a higher player count after wipes were revealed.

[limpid pond]

the game had the second largest player count drop off when that got announced ever

[frosty wadi]

Because it was content announcement, pretty obvious

[kind veldt]

You know they dont show players numbers ever right?

[limpid pond]

historically no it didn't

[hexed wyvern]

so, not only do you not want wipes, nor see the value wipes would bring to the long term health of the game, but hardcore mode, a mode you don't even have interest in shouldn't be updated because you don't want it to? How does that makes sense.

[kind veldt]

Did those people say they came back because the wipes?

Can you prove anything you are saying or its all gut feeling, cause everyone here is on the same scale of not being able to prove anything

[hexed wyvern]

https://steamcharts.com/app/2221490 I know this is Steam, but I don't see Uplay retaining more players or seeing any less of a player dropp off. Steam lost 90% of it's original player base.

[kind veldt]

Without consoles, epic and uplay you cant prove anything

After all it was removed due popular demand

[solid hollow]

I am newer to the division discord. Is this where we post our thoughts to them about the pts or is that in another section?

[limpid pond]

@solid hollow #1286621196665880646

[kind veldt]

Go to roles channel and take the pts role to see the PTS channels

[limpid pond]

^ ^ that as well

[solid hollow]

Copy that. Thank you.

[kind veldt]

Look at the end of the day you can think seasonal characters are great, and i dont like them.

Neither of us can claim we speak for most of the game population

[hexed wyvern]

The internet is and will always be the loud minority of a game's player base. Devs shouldn't have compromised their vision for a change the community couldn't even being to understand or even experience in the first place.

[hexed wyvern]

At the end of the day, The Division 2 struggles with player count for the exact reason why people thought wipes were a bad idea.

[limpid pond]

Ubisoft and Massive likewise have a failure to comprehend what a community wants

[kind veldt]

At the end of the day the numbers would have been x5 times worse if they had gone with wipes, see you cant prove me wrong so this conversation will never end

[limpid pond]

especially given Ubisoft's recent very controversial moves with "The Crew" and CEO Statements

[kind veldt]

So im tapping out

[hexed wyvern]

wipes would've attracted far more players than it would've lost 100%.

[kind veldt]

Nah

[hexed wyvern]

What the community wants and want a game needs are two different things.

[frosty wadi]

You don’t speak for the community

What the game needed was a massive rebalance, which we just got

[hexed wyvern]

yes. Absolutely.

[kind veldt]

Nope

[hexed wyvern]

I would bet very large sums of money that wipes would've done nothing but beneift the game's long term health, increase the game's playerbase as well as increase player retention beyond just seasonal missions.

[limpid pond]

you know, for a user who has no roles in this discord........ im done arguing with you because now, you are dissenting like a troll. nothing we say agrees with you. You argued grinding, you argued wipes, you argued everything that has been presented to you as factual data.

be gone

[kind veldt]

Dont think so

[frosty wadi]

Yea its actually schizophrenia at this point

[kind veldt]

Can we actually leave this topic behind, agree to disagree

[limpid pond]

firefly, you and I disagree on certain things, but at least we both agree on that point

😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣

[fickle jasper]

What’s wipes mean?

[kind veldt]

Reseting your characters every season

[fickle jasper]

Like when you wipe in division 2 and die?

Oh yea we don’t want that

[limpid pond]

few months ago, Vanquish, Massive announced that for every season, your character would be reset to Level 1, or, you could not play manhunts per season release

[sinful burrow]

Hi, I'm new. Should I use the lvl 30 boost and skip to NYC DLC or no?

[fickle jasper]

I love my character I don’t want to restart every season

[kind veldt]

Play the game

[limpid pond]

@88 do you want to know the entire story or just jump to endgame? there is A LOT of context if you start from square 1

[sinful burrow]

I currently am. I'm lvl 6.

[frosty wadi]

It was gonna be a new character slot but it would’ve meant you couldn’t play the seasonal content on your main

[fickle jasper]

Yea that would suck, IMO

[hexed wyvern]

we'll check back in 6-8 months. I can guarantee without wipes in 2.0 player count will be lower than it is now.

[kind veldt]

Skipping you dont really learn the game or get a feel for the progression or what you like or not

[sinful burrow]

Well, I've completed Div 1 and I know item builds start after lvl 30.

[frosty wadi]

Its no longer happening and the tech for it will be transferred into something else (possibly stash space)

[limpid pond]

LOL - roll-less troll i am not entertaining anymore " 1 blocked message - Show Message" he gonna stay there forever

[sinful burrow]

Alright.

I'll just do the lvling then. Seems really grindy compared to Div 1 though. Thanks.

[limpid pond]

true builds are lvl 40 in Division 2

and, Div 2 restricts you to 1 exotic weapon and 1 exotic gear piece, unlike Div 1

which IMHO i wish they would let us have Div 1 builds again

[fickle jasper]

I’m going make a new character before this 5x xp event so I’ll have 1000 points on 3 characters!!!

[frosty wadi]

Its a good idea

[fickle jasper]

I’m new to the whole mule thing, I’m SHD 1360. Just joined a great clan and they help me with stuff. I now raid all the time it’s great. But yea I just realized last night that all your points go to each character and I had another character and he had 587 points on him!!!

[fickle moat]

I would start the game from the beginning if I’ve never played it before. If at some point you feel it gets redundant or you get bored then you can start over and jump to lvl 30. I started the game from the beginning last year and I didn’t last more than 4 levels before jumping ahead to Wony

[limpid pond]

yikes, this new exotic AR, stacked up with strikers, grupo, coyote, max capable damage is 2,782,044

when all 5 stacks are present

[fickle jasper]

What new AR??

[limpid pond]

Strega Exotic

thats also considering i spent an hour boosting my exp to 27 so maxxed out

weirdly though, i cannot reconfigure it at Inaya

[fickle jasper]

Wait when did this come out?

[limpid pond]

its not in the crafting bench yet

im playing PTS

[fickle jasper]

That’s destiny

Oh okay

So we’re getting new AR exotic this new season!!!

Hell yea

[limpid pond]

read the PTS Notes

or hit up any of the mainstream Div 2 Content creators on youtube, GCROCK, Tuxedo, they have all covered this

[woeful wind]

Hey all. New to the discord.
Been playing the last few months the as a duo with the wife.

Just saying hi 👋

[limpid pond]

the map looks different also, the ground texture is different?

[azure lintel]

For people playing the pts. How we feeling about it?

[limpid pond]

other than the meta nerf, seems okay, working on the scouts now, after boosting myself to Exp 27

Strega is a fun rifle

[timber hatch]

the nerfs mostly make sense. Some of the buffs range from fine to busted

[limpid pond]

drooling if i could use the Strega and Elmo's together LOL

[azure lintel]

Looking good

[steep cape]

If they nerf Striker and St.Elmo they better come up with a way to transfer expertise between weapon to weapon and gear to gear. Or, they better refund me alot of exotic components that I've invested. 🤨

[real creek]

Get to farming

Cause they didn't give any back to the people who spent tons before they reduced the amount of exos needed.

[steep cape]

One can only take so much before feeling done wrong to

[real creek]

Then keep using the old setup. It'll still clear the same content just a bit slower.

[frosty wadi]

“If they nerf”

They did

Also they are buff still good

[real creek]

Final numbers aren't out tho

[frosty wadi]

Still

[low lily]

The sad truth is all the time you spend on a game is fully on you, also farming exotic component in dz is easier than ever.

[frosty wadi]

You don’t need to transfer your expertise

[still temple]

tested earlier, it's not that bad, around 10-12% loss in damage, but you can compensate with global modifiers

[real creek]

We have a clear idea is what will happen tho

[steep cape]

I dont have a problem with that part, its the treatment of the devs. It started with extra stash space when the game came out, that they never delivered, and we had to pay extra for it

[real creek]

Bro they have a HUGE list of things they said they'd do and will never deliver on.

[low lily]

It's pretty "MASSIVE" problem

😂

[limpid pond]

activity 3 on scouts 1 - hostage rescues?

[azure lintel]

What makes it look different?

[limpid pond]

just smoother looking like a filter is applied now

[azure lintel]

Hmm interesting

[spare cove]

Activities in Foggy Bottom

[limpid pond]

HOLY CHRIST - Pestilence's fire rate

1063?!!?!??!!?/

[azure lintel]

very nice

[limpid pond]

so any activities ? very odd description then

[spare cove]

When you select F button in the Scout objectives, it switches between riddle or the actual objective

[lime fulcrum]

only with striker?!
or mix of ninja backpack?!

[kind veldt]

It had a buff to 850 and by default the magazine gives extra 10%

[silent nymph]

so it look's like we will finally get our good old div1 LVOA-C and lightweight M4 back either in next season or next update since i didn't read the patch notes

[kind veldt]

Well kinda, they are low rof despite being full auto

[frosty wadi]

The higher damage will make up for the slower rpm

Then its just about needing weapon handling

[azure lintel]

full auto 1886 plz 🙂

[kind veldt]

Nyet, rifle is fine

[frosty wadi]

I have yet to see people test the 30 round rifles with aces

Im desperate

[timber hatch]

doesnt need it, its completely busted in the PTS

[azure lintel]

And that's a GOOD thing

[timber hatch]

its not lol

[azure lintel]

determined bros, we can't stop winning

[timber hatch]

its so dumb determined didnt get nerfed

[azure lintel]

kinda bummed they nerfed SR1, farming Adrestia was my thing

[limpid pond]

only with striker

[azure lintel]

Habsburg 15% 13% HSD, guess it's time to deconstruct

[eager loom]

the one thing i've always wanted on division 2, bigger storage! give! lol. i enjoy trying out new gear but with so much different ways you can play a set and test things, not enough room.

[azure lintel]

I promise you don't need to hoard 95% of the stuff you're hoarding

[eager loom]

Are you me?

then play your way. 🙂

[azure lintel]

Im just trying to let you down easy, they arent increasing storage

[eager loom]

No crap. It's what i want. 😄

[azure lintel]

i understand.

[still fiber]

Where are the patch notes posted at?

[azure lintel]

make more characters, put useable loadouts on them, anything youre not using, youre not likely to use, itll make inventory management a lot easier.

[eager loom]

I do, but that just goes to making your storage bigger but a lot freaking more work. I usually do sets of shotguns and long range on one and sets that'll go with it, and another the rest where i play around most at.

[merry zinc]

if you don’t have multiple characters with loadouts you’re slacking

[fickle edge]

how do you find the first scout on pts?

[merry zinc]

definitely not enough space on one character

[azure lintel]

i for one am looking forward to removing several striker builds

[spare cove]

Look up on the Manhunt menu

[eager loom]

i have just 2 strikers. i'm more into either shield or turret/drone builds the most.

[azure lintel]

high end artillery turret is ❤️

i dont think a lot in the skill space is changing despite the empress 3 piece nerf

[eager loom]

the flame turret is FUN but not my fav to enjoy, i like bullet king but no survival. so i go back depending how i wake up. lol

Although, i always end up putting glass cannon, i might remove that someday to help suvive an extra hit. 😄

[azure lintel]

kinetic momentum got a decent buff so TU22 is a good time to make the change

[eager loom]

i still gotta catch up on all the changes, thanks for the tip.

[fickle jasper]

Wait it’s a rifle? Not an AR?

[fickle jasper]

Thats disappointing

[limpid pond]

what Strega? yes, AR

[fickle jasper]

Oh okay good

[fickle jasper]

Do you know if it’s going to be in the season pass?

[fickle edge]

still dont get daily rewards for redoing hard missions how do I report that as a bug

[spare cove]

It's an exotic, so I expect it to be part of the rewards track for the season

[craggy ridge]

who's the people let the division didn't want to save?

the puzzle is too hard

[spare cove]

What puzzle?

[craggy ridge]

season 2. 0 in pts

[spare cove]

If you're talking about the riddle in the Manhunt scout objectives, you can switch those to the actual objective descriptions using the F button

The third scout objective requires you to complete 3 activities in Foggy Bottom. Doesn't have to be rescuing civilians

[craggy ridge]

I tried many active in open world

even kill rouge in dark zone

[spare cove]

Did you finish the first and second scout objectives?

1 - Take over a hostile control point in Foggy Bottom

2 - Give 100 resources to a friendly control point in Foggy Bottom

[craggy ridge]

finished

I Will tried to foggy bottom to complete activities

but now I need to sleep

thank your answer

[silent nymph]

Check the first link at the pts in the announcement that's where it says

[scarlet plume]

i have slow ass internet, does copying the division 2 into a new folder and downloading what is missing for the PTS work? or do i gotta download the whole thing seperately

[gritty zodiac]

So the lightweight m4 and lvoa aren’t like div1 huh 😭

[stone kettle]

hey does anyone know how to get the ivory weapon skin and gear dye

[frosty wadi]

They never were gonna be

They are still rifles

Just full auto

As in, not having to pull the trigger multiple times

They are still technically semi automatic

[gritty zodiac]

Wack

[frosty wadi]

Nah not really

This has been a requested feature for a long time

Other games allow for full auto on semi auto guns

Destiny for example has this as a setting

[spare cove]

LWM4 and LVOA are never gonna be meta like it was in Div 1.

And thank god for that

[azure lintel]

cause 1886 new meta

and that's a GOOD thing 😛

[spare cove]

Well, I love old-fashioned rifles, so that sounds good to me

[azure lintel]

reanimated event boosted the damage of headshots just enough so that 1886 headhunter could do legendary 4 man and i dunno if you saw anyone playing DUA that week, but it was pure lulz. now imagine that you dont even need the reanimated event to do it. 1886<3

[frosty wadi]

Rifle meta on top

[azure lintel]

even if you dont like determined headhunter you could do 6 million+ dmg body shots with a red glass cannon build and The Virginian, now theres better gear to increase the damage of a CHD rifle build already in the game, plus the TU22 changes will make a 5 round mag into a 10 round mag with zwia (8 + 15% rounds up to 10) AND the flat 25% 1886 damage boost

[frosty wadi]

I just realized that umbra might be really good with rifles

Now I must alter my umbra builds

[azure lintel]

the mark 17 got a mag size reduction tho, otherwise id say you were right

[raw geyser]

This game is so easy, haven't played in like 2 months, come back and clear all the current manhunt stuff in 1 afternoon all on Heroic + that keener mission solo + heroic + first try even vs that new warhound

[azure lintel]

now redo it with 5 directives

[frosty wadi]

Almost like there is new modifiers and a game wide balance patch coming or something

[raw geyser]

I'm guessing it's gonna be like X weapon class gets a buff for the season, but Y weapon class will get a nerf for the season

To make it so you have to use different things

[frosty wadi]

You should really read the patch notes

[agile haven]

Anyone has any idea how to complete activity 3 in scout 1? Something about lead by example?

[tiny oar]

any activity in foggy bottom

[agile haven]

How in the world can anyone figure that out?

I did recue hostages anf public execution

Also did grand central hotel to rescue that girl

[crisp vine]

Me and my squad are brazos ninjabike users, we love obliterate and most my friends fuming about picaros but personally I need this to be fixed my squad is planning on leaving TheDivision2

Instead of straight nerfing obliterate (understand the PvP aspect but do this instead..)

Obliterate
PvP~17%
PvE~25%

There isn’t enough good chest talents for dps pls don’t hurt the PvE players, Solo Players, open world players n more.. just make 17% a PvP nerf. And leave 25% for PvE only, otherwise we can understandably and regretfully move thru the changes to the start of seasons 2.0…

[agile pendant]

hows the new exotic rifle?? anyone tried it on pts?

[kind veldt]

pretty good

[agile pendant]

contender for top pick??

talent can stack infinitely??

[kind veldt]

yeah, mainly for PVE of course

the talent stack being infinite appears to be a bug

still you can stack a lot of debuff in the enemies

[azure lintel]

NOOOOOO

[agile pendant]

ofc 😒 devs will patch cuz they hate fun!!

[kind veldt]

i dont think being able to deal 1 billion damage per shot is balanced

not joking

people are dealing 1 billion damage

[agile pendant]

oh wtf lol

yay thats gonna melt content

[frosty wadi]

Um, no?

It getting nerfed was for both pve and pvp

Its simply better than everything else

[azure lintel]

njb 2 brazos 3 Umbra pvp, right?

[tiny oar]

well its a riddle, not a clear objective

[agile haven]

I don't see any correlation between the clue and activities in foggy bottom

[frosty wadi]

Also to add on

There isn’t enough dps chest talents???

Umbra chest, striker chest, glass cannon, spotter

[high drum]

So how do you access the new update? I loaded up my game and everything looks the same

[tiny oar]

well, you save the neigbourghood by cleaning enemy factions activity : you lead other civilians to do the same

[frosty wadi]

Do you have the pts installed?

Because the season isn’t here yet

The pts is

[high drum]

Oh I guess I didn’t understand what that meant

What is PTS?

Public test server?

[velvet pond]

@high drum yep

[high drum]

Ah thank you. It’s all new to me 🙂

[abstract rapids]

Diamond back is based on which weapon ?

1886 ?

[tiny oar]

yes

[abstract rapids]

Will it also get the auto shot ?

If yes, that would be pretty sick

[tiny oar]

not all rifles became auto

i dont think thoses ones will

[abstract rapids]

As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:

ACR
UIC15
The Ravenous
M1A
Lightweight M4
LVOA-C
MDR
Resolute Mk47
Mk17
SIG 716
USC

MMR’s:

G28
Mk20
SVD

That does answer: no it will not get auto

[tiny oar]

yep

[abstract rapids]

I still have a nice and cosy build using 3 Zwiadoka + 2 break point + 1 memento

[tiny oar]

meh, i prefer nego with diamondback

[abstract rapids]

I'm hitting around 2-4M crit when stacked

And with the handling: reload super fast + laser beam precision

The build is mean for Merciless but both weapon work on it

[abstract rapids]

I really need to build a nego package

[tiny oar]

yeah its pretty fun

i like it

[echo temple]

Anyone here know what grenade launcher this boy is using? Is it a paid for dlc weapon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlVftbu_eI&t=25s

[frosty wadi]

Literally says glitch in the title

Can you not read

[unique bramble]

The sleight? It's a christmas weapon, you can only get on Christmas.

[echo temple]

Literally means nothing.

[frosty wadi]

?

Its clearly a bug

[echo temple]

What is clearly a bug?

[echo temple]

Thanks you cleared that up .

[frosty wadi]

How to be unlikable 101

[echo temple]

Obviously.

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sleigher

[unique bramble]

It's not a grenade launcher, is a snowball launcher, but right now there's a glitch that turn those snowballs in grenades (don't ask me how )

[echo temple]

Drunken posts tend to do that and i needed to spend more time today trying to find out, coming here cleared it right up.

[echo temple]

Looked like hella fun though.

[unique bramble]

Well, I don't see fun in players crashing the server and my PS4 because I just wanted to farm some stuff.

[echo temple]

Welp aside from the actual Specialization nade launcher, which shoots one by one and is a lousy one time ammo pickup that resets, i would have thought it be hella fun.

[small plume]

Omg, I need that 1886 changes.

[kind veldt]

anyone tested the new gear set

was gonna give it a spin later

[small plume]

That P90 seems pretty good, it's interesting to have decent damage while having the fastest fire rate of all SMGs.

Also the MP5 is the new Banshee, if it'll be like that.

[tiny oar]

its weird

like its not bad, but super weird to proc

the fact its weird to proc will drive players away imo

and the bonuses are ok, but def not worth the hassle

[frosty wadi]

I really hate how there is like zero footage of people using aces rn

Everyone is losing their minds over the new ar

[tiny oar]

new ar is fun

idk if its viable yet tho

[unique bramble]

I think it is, like, you just need to kill an enemy and every other enemy around him gets a debuff.

[kind veldt]

i mean i love the look and i love the FAL

i think he means the gun on the field

cause it's a FAL -10 rounds is always fun for ARs

[tiny oar]

yeah, but we need to compare it stat wise to other ar first

[kind veldt]

FAL is not bad

just avarage, rof buff should make it more competitive despite the damage nerf

cause everything in htis game is crits + hogh rof

[safe jungle]

yoooooooooooooo

[raw minnow]

FAL burst and sustain goes up 3.81% and 4.11% respectively so it's better but not by much

FAL is just easy to handle which helps

FAL is also ranked #4 in burst post patch after the F2k, Honey Badger and FAMAS

[fickle edge]

So how's the pts for those playing

[raw geyser]

I skimmed through the like first section

[small plume]

I heard that it's working with Rifles now.

[frosty wadi]

Well yea thats why I bring it up

It could potentially be really good but the closest Ive seen is a streamer using m1a with it and not doing well

[small plume]

I'm feeling so stupid for deconstructing an old classic M1A I had and a 93R.

[frosty wadi]

The 30+ round rifles also seem very good on umbra, saw a short and aside from needing better handling, they are very good

[full zinc]

i wonder how a full auto bakers dozen from cover is gonna perform😅

[small plume]

Man, if Magnums become the highest damage sidearms, I'm gonna scream

I feel it's unfair for the noseless Diceros to deal less damage than the normal one.

Like... there's no advantage on it.

Also, Diceros Special

Dead and buried.

[full zinc]

typically a shorter barrel variant of any of the weapons should be less damage if using a realistic damage model

[small plume]

Well, I don't know, I just feel like it should be some advantage to it, fire rate, reload speed, something.

[hybrid ore]

Let's not bring realism into this game now.

[full zinc]

youre no fun

[tiny oar]

dont you like it when you can rez dead people with a hive ?

[hybrid ore]

Otherwise you open up the "how do we carry all that ammo" question.

[tiny oar]

[small plume]

I did that last week.

[frosty wadi]

I mean you can have realism in some areas and have it not make sense in others

[full zinc]

snub nose would be for concealment and probably ease of handling since itll catch on less

[hybrid ore]

The rule for traditional sci-fi is that you're a;llowed to break "1 rule", and the rest should make at least partial sense.

[small plume]

And how does that work ingame?

[hybrid ore]

ya know, light speed travel, but ships require pilots, etc.

[full zinc]

its not an in game mechanic. its just applying irl reasoning to it

[small plume]

So?

[frosty wadi]

Division 2 gets away with being more fantastical because it was slightly more grounded in the first game, so they raised the bar

[hybrid ore]

Honestly I am fine with shorter weapons having higher handling, it makes sense, since that means they're lighter.

[small plume]

The weapon is pretty worthless, considering the better version is literally better at everything.

[hybrid ore]

I mean, the basic premise itself is a bit silly, but I know what you're trying to say.

[frosty wadi]

Technically they should be worse because of recoil

[full zinc]

lighter would be say, faster ads , but yeah higher recoil, if i was goona apply it to game mechanics

[hybrid ore]

Wouldn't that also mean that you can control the recoil better because you can just steady your hand a bit easier?
remember that WH is 4 stats, not 2.

[full zinc]

no, heavier weapon dampens recoil. this is why most competition guns are full size, long slide variants

[hybrid ore]

Do the cowboy thing and put your otherhand on top.

[hybrid ore]

See this is why I hate guns IRL. that and the killing thing.

[small plume]

Althought it can be unstable for pistols, it reduces recoil a lot.

[hybrid ore]

I'm going to stick with "do the cowboy thing".

[small plume]

Rob a bank?

[full zinc]

nah its just basic physics is all. every action has an equal and opposite reaction, blah blah blah 👴

[hybrid ore]

Move cattle across america for 20 years, then get replaced by corporations.

[small plume]

I see.

[hybrid ore]

realisitc cowboys.

[tiny oar]

and also complain about anything saying "back in my days"

[hybrid ore]

No, realistic. Not modern.

[hybrid ore]

That is actually what I mean lol.

[lunar hare]

realisitc 😵‍💫

[tiny oar]

its a timeless classic

[hybrid ore]

It was an actual job for about 2 decades.
"are you a short guy who likes sunburn and being in a good union? Cowboy!"

[frosty wadi]

Gonna ignore the second half of this statement but, why does weapons have physical properties make them bad

[kind veldt]

just quick comment on the gun things, longer barrels guarantee that the gunpowerder pushes the bullet foward, shorter barrels make so unburnt powder ignite outside so the force is spread out, resulting in slower bullets and bigger muzzles flashes and wild recoil

[frosty wadi]

Guns are a very in depth topic in terms of physics

[tiny oar]

gun physics : boring

fire sticky : fun

[grand swan]

🥚

[hybrid ore]

Oh it's not them having dimensions, it's the weebiness of it all.

[frosty wadi]

??

[kind veldt]

i just like the engineering of things, that why rockets that have a constant propulsion system are better for longer ranges and of course space travel

[hybrid ore]

Replace the gun related words with Warhammer models, or MTG cards.

same vibe.

[frosty wadi]

Then its no longer the division

[kind veldt]

constant acceleration is needed to escape a planet gravity field

[hybrid ore]

Well, gradually constant, but yeah.

[grand swan]

I hope we get division 1 mechanics like snow and etc in division 3

[kind veldt]

the loss of fuel making the object have less mass also helps

[spare cove]

I hate snow

[frosty wadi]

Wdym by etc

[kind veldt]

snow was just pretty but wasnt really an mechanic

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[kind veldt]

yeah i know survival had it

[grand swan]

Skill sounds, old sounds, exotics not looking like a 5th dimensional armory

[spare cove]

They play one game set in winter and act like it's the second coming

[frosty wadi]

…just go play div 1

[grand swan]

[frosty wadi]

Also exotics are supposed to look… exotic, the point is they look very unique and don’t make sense

[spare cove]

I want Div 3 to be its own thing. Not Div 1 2.0

[kind veldt]

i honestly think everyone is a bit to jumpy today, specially at eachothers throat for no reason

[azure lintel]

No.

[kind veldt]

honestly read that as division 12.0

[hybrid ore]

Exotics in div1 weren't really all that Exotic. They were kinda dull looking.

[tiny oar]

well nerfs did hit a nerve for some people xd

[frosty wadi]

Im jumpy because Im having aces withdrawal

Need

[azure lintel]

Division 3 being tonally closer to a 1.5 than a 2.5 is better. Look at what they did with Watch Dogs.

[kind veldt]

i'll test it later

[spare cove]

Sorry, but the constant worshipping I see of Div 1 in Twitter soured me on the game

[frosty wadi]

Div2 is fine tone wise tho

[kind veldt]

eh... div1 had space to grow but replaying it made me realize it that was a bit more arcadey than 2

so i prefer 2 slighty slower and heavier feel

[azure lintel]

It got off track for a bit but hey, Massive hiring Narrative Lead for D3, so good times

[hybrid ore]

They do that with every old game when the sequel launches.
div1 back in the day was NOT considered a classic.

[tiny oar]

watch dog 1 was awful, wd2 was great

[frosty wadi]

Watch dogs 1 and 2 are great

[grand swan]

Awful in gameplay, exemplary in story

[kind veldt]

i really dont want to think about the number 3

[frosty wadi]

Both are equally great, the problem is the third game

[grand swan]

Ubisoft fumbled hard ngl

[tiny oar]

is it tho ? its about a guy getting his family killed and goes on becoming a vigilante, nothing exemplary here

[unique bramble]

Disagree on that, I prefer the darker and more serious vibe of WD1

[frosty wadi]

Trying to be both and failing at both

[tiny oar]

valve 🤝 bird shot

[hybrid ore]

wd1 was considered terrible at launch, I honestly think a lot of people are just too young to remember.

[kind veldt]

honestly heard more praises towards 2 than 1 for watchdogs

[tiny oar]

wd2 story was actually interesting

[hybrid ore]

2 at launch was considered the dmc3 of the franchise

[grand swan]

I find the plot quite cool

[kind veldt]

actually learned mistakes and did something different in a good direction

[azure lintel]

WD1 got pooped on because Ubisoft doing Ubisoft things and promising the moon

[frosty wadi]

It was overhated imo, its a great game looking back and wd2 is slightly better

[hybrid ore]

at launch wd1 was hailed as the death of video games

[kind veldt]

no an actual game that exists and gives me headaches for another reason, but it's going offtopic

[unique bramble]

Respawn: can I join too?

[tiny oar]

i mean no shade, its great if you enjoy the game, by no mean am i telling you that you shouldnt, but calling it good is another story

[grand swan]

[hybrid ore]

wd1 is good, ive replayed it in the last few months

[grand swan]

The multiplayer was chaotic

Aiden pierces everywhere

[tiny oar]

i havent taken my meds you cant stop me

[frosty wadi]

Wd1 has the best multiplayer

[frosty wadi]

Only the player appears as aiden

[hybrid ore]

2's mechanics were heavily refined, but parts of 1 i wish they had carried over.
but this is getting a little away from div2

[tiny oar]

yeah