td2-general-chat

[kind veldt]

negotiators got a buff?

[shell spire]

Haven’t seen the stream yet, how are we liking the announcement? Seasons 2 was t looking so hot at first

[kind veldt]

i swear they are changing the notes from after i first opened

[loud storm]

Backpack buffed to 112% from 100% dmg transfer

[kind veldt]

feels like they are adding a global event from div1 to be a full seasonal thing in div2, the other changes to structure for me are mostly good and fine

[small spear]

there are 3 separate notes so make sure you read all 3

[kind veldt]

i read all 3

[small spear]

yeah they buffed the backpack bonus

[kind veldt]

i think i just opened thme too soon and someone edited them after

[spare cove]

Thank god. Because if it was gonna be meta, I would've cried a lot

[loud storm]

My brain just hurts seeing all those gear changes to .33% why not whole numbers.. fricking one thirths

[hybrid ore]

Firth, Seconth, Thrith?

[kind veldt]

well the brands ones feels a bit off to me

was golan that much a of threat to get that weird status effect nerf?

oh and huge double barrel shotgun nerf

like stupidly huge

[hybrid ore]

It was the highest DPS in the game, after all.

[midnight lotus]

highest BURST
the sustain and total is awful

[kind veldt]

i really feel that the shotguns nerfs were just based on feelings and not playing with them, they cant sit well on me

[midnight lotus]

nobody uses them for dps

[hybrid ore]

See, that phrase is both correct and infuriating because it's also wrong.
It never stops being funny.

[heavy ocean]

Not really, rpm still will be the same

[kind veldt]

it's really odd to see an increase in most reload speeds

[hybrid ore]

The changes made to weapons and gear, etc, are reportedly based mostly on the Modifiers this Season, not on "feelings".

[rose hare]

the ouroboros is getting nerfed

[hybrid ore]

Good.

It should've been nerfed pre-release.

[heavy ocean]

ouro and st lemo nerfed... oh no... ANYWAY

[rose hare]

ngl i'm kinda sick at those strikers build level 24 expertise melt down the tankiest build

[kind veldt]

and i'm saying that while i read and understand what you are saying, from my view that isnt really compatible with what was said and when you consider how they were performing related to eachother

[midnight lotus]

you dont need to be a psychic to tell they’re not being 100% honest about it

like explain why am i going to use a weapon thats inferior to another in every possible aspect and how the modifier will affect it

will it just idk ban me from using six12?

“you cannot use KSG in this mission”

[hybrid ore]

See, that's exactly the problem. You think that a weapon isn't worth using because it's "inferior".

[rose hare]

oh yeah can you guys preload the pts yet?

[midnight lotus]

explain from a gameplay standpoint how its worth using then

if you enjoy it more power to you
but it is just flat out worse in every way

[hybrid ore]

Nothing I say will convince you otherwise, nothing you say will make me blindly hate something I've not even had the chance to play yet.

[quaint hamlet]

aww I missed the stream

is there a recap yet ?

[azure lintel]

yessir

[midnight lotus]

its numbers,Rivens

its not that deep

[rose hare]

damn i can't find it in my library

[kind veldt]

i mean i already used an underwhelming gun, making it worse is not a really a good thing wouldnt you say?

[midnight lotus]

you dont need to put a fork into an electrical outlet to know its dangerous

[hybrid ore]

I never said that it should be made worse, or that they aren't doing that.

And there's the am-dram.

[kind veldt]

i am saying that for this whole patch, they should take a second look at these changes as they are not compatible with the ideas presented

thats the feedback they want

i'm not hating on it to be a hater, i'm honest to good trying to point issues i see

[hybrid ore]

Just give it a shot before you claim they don't know what they're doing. There's 2 PTS phases coming.

And if you dislike something, make your voice heard in the right channels.

[azure lintel]

none of this is final either, they said they'll change things if they think its right to do so

[hybrid ore]

There's stuff in the changes I don't like either, but I'm willing to be proven wrong when I actually play the content.

[azure lintel]

go give things a go, go have fun. not that deep

[kind veldt]

oh believe me, they have gotten my feedback for single aspect PTS when htey used requested feedback and that feedback only came out to play 2 years later by pointing out the obvious

[azure lintel]

you on ubi connect?

[rose hare]

yes

[midnight lotus]

people have said it before and ill say it again:rifles need handling buff

ACRSS is awful to use

[kind veldt]

man wish i could find my posts on the old forums how they should just have slapped a tag system to OD gear set if they wanted to buff it and that only came out more than 2 years later

[loud storm]

So if dmg buff/nerf transfer to exotics then the el.o gets a small dmg buff if its a M4 but small nerf if its considerd a LVOA-C... and the EB gets abuff then

[azure lintel]

should be there dude, all in alphabetical order

[kind veldt]

dont think elmo uses LVOA-C stats

[hybrid ore]

Unless specifically stated, yeah Exoitcs use the base weapons as "stat sticks" as we'd call them in WF.

[rose hare]

no i didn't see it

[hybrid ore]

e.g. when the p416 was nerfed years back, EB got nerfed along with it.

[midnight lotus]

elmo uses m4 stat afaik

[rose hare]

god the new ui is killing me

[raw minnow]

Elmo is considered LVOA-C

But who knows

Using a rifle stats as an AR lol

[hybrid ore]

Elmo is an m4, according to the spreadsheet.

police m4, if i had to guess.

[raw minnow]

I'm seeing it as LVOA-C on the sheet

I must be faded lol

[loud storm]

Yea looks like the lvoa but probably m4 stats

[hybrid ore]

lvoa-c is a rifle, not an AR.

[azure lintel]

is it hidden by chance?
library - dots next to search - show hidden games

[hybrid ore]

PTS can sometimes take a bit to show up. Try restarting stuff and relogging your PC.

[loud storm]

I know but the gun is a lvoa by looks just the AR variant so guess it has same stats a M4

[hybrid ore]

I see the issue, m4 is listed as both, because div2 likes to spread the same gun family across types, just changing the model #'s.

[kind veldt]

i mean it would make more sense to copy paste from the same category

i know chameleon is the exception

[hybrid ore]

And Nemesis, my beloved.

[kind veldt]

what nemesis doesnt use anything in hte MMR category as base?

[hybrid ore]

Custom AWM, whatever that is.

I'm not an american

[kind veldt]

ah right

[raw minnow]

If you go to the wiki and Weapons, there's a ton that don't follow a base weapon exactly

[kind veldt]

artic warfare something, the CS sniper with one shot bodyshot

[raw minnow]

Well not a ton, like six lol

[hybrid ore]

See, my fellow Agents. Fake it, till you make it with wikipedia.

[kind veldt]

anyhow i did mention earlier that AKM is listed on the Rifle category

cause i assume it's talking about merciless

[loud storm]

308 .mmr nerfed even more and it already got left behind last update... man the really dont want ppl use it. And i dislike the SRS nerf

[hybrid ore]

.308 had to be nerfed, it fashioned out too well.

RIP, sweet prince of Hazard skin.

[loud storm]

Yea 10/10 on looks but -99/10 on performance

[kind veldt]

M1A getting huge free buffs is kinda unexpected

[hybrid ore]

This is more proof that msv love me, they're buffing the socom m1a. I hope.

[kind veldt]

1886 reload changes is probably just because of the extra 3 rounds

[tropic compass]

When you alt f4 does it disconnect you or kick you from group?

[hybrid ore]

A little gremlin jumps out of your PC and steals a random item from the room you're in.

[kind veldt]

damage decreased, reload speed increased

[hybrid ore]

Full. Auto.

[midnight lotus]

socom looks so hard

[kind veldt]

huh saw a typo

they made a weapon reload faster and they painted red

[hybrid ore]

It's the best m1a for appearance, and IIRC the worst for stats. I love it.

[kind veldt]

for the UIC in the rifle category

[loud storm]

AUG ar 42 rounds base? Thats a typo or can i have a reason to be happy

[raw minnow]

There's some formatting issues they have

I noticed another one. That's why I did the sheets myself

[kind veldt]

buff looks like

the real life AUG i think uses 42 by default?

well older versions, moderns are regualr 30

[raw minnow]

AUG is 29.62% more damage per mag, 8.86% more DPS

[kind veldt]

perfect allegro got a buf fas well

[loud storm]

Even now the G36 does slightly more dmg per mag i like it way better at 800 rpm

Already liked my invicible hand but now it gets better

[kind veldt]

C7 getting a buff was also unexpected

[hybrid ore]

Return of the Queen in here.

[azure lintel]

wata hell they nerf exotic guns?? srsly

[native walrus]

That’s what I said

[hybrid ore]

Please fix that, it hurts my eyes to read.

[azure lintel]

u dont said

[hybrid ore]

oh god its getting worse.

[azure lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdx_d1SUj4

Anything exciting from today? I wasn’t able to watch

[native walrus]

https://x.com/TheDivisionGame/status/1836782305597083897

[azure lintel]

from that video everything will be changed

[hybrid ore]

div2 youtubers: about as reliable as the city bus.

there's patch notes, just have a look over in #news-and-announcements

[azure lintel]

i check later

[kind veldt]

READ

the last thing you want is to rely on youtubers for information

[native walrus]

They petty much about to ruin the game now with nerfs

[timber hatch]

They aren't....

[azure lintel]

are u sure 100%?

[timber hatch]

Yes

[kind veldt]

the are of buffs to nerfs is drasticly in favours of buffs

case in point, all atacchments are better

[hybrid ore]

Aces can now use rifles.

a bunch of rifles were made full auto.

[kind veldt]

even stuff like chatterbox, backfire and others got a lot of love

[azure lintel]

and lightweight m4 finally is auto will be

[hybrid ore]

my backfire got buffed ❣️

[kind veldt]

so as we said

[hybrid ore]

and people are crying over scorpio getting kicked in the teeth.
It's a good day.

[kind veldt]

READ

isnt just a PVP nerf?

[hybrid ore]

Any nerf on that dumb thing is a good nerf.

It's ruined build diversity for yonks.

[loud storm]

Most talents gear and gun i like aswell as weapon mods but need a second look at someweapons mostly mmr/shotguns imo and a few AR's

[fickle edge]

what time does pts open in NA?

[timber hatch]

It's about 2+ years too late

[hybrid ore]

absofreakinglutely yes.

pardon my french.

[kind veldt]

i mean perfect jazz hands for M870 is nice

[native walrus]

But to nerf the exotic weapons is bad

[warm minnow]

Iirc it was open 11 am

[native walrus]

I love using the saint emos

[loud storm]

Im not to fussed about the scorpio nerf i will still use it for same stuff as i do now just gotta get a few more sbots in so for me doesnt matter on the build i use it with

[fickle edge]

is that EST im assuming?

[azure lintel]

ok i saw patch note 2

[warm minnow]

Iirc yes

[hybrid ore]

Do people still think that Exotic weapons are required to run builds? A lot of newer players are told that by youtubers, so we get that sentiment a lot.

[kind veldt]

see the problem is that sounds like "i love using the OP gun" not saying it's the reasons you love elmo, but it's the reason it got nerfed

[hybrid ore]

The funny thing about elmo is, that it wasn't even all that OP, just easy to slap on because it required less effort than getting an actual OP weapon.

[kind veldt]

well back to complaining about sweet dreams talent being bad

[raw minnow]

And it's attachments were great

[loud storm]

Unless you make something specific,no exotic is needed ever for a build

[kind veldt]

big magazine, great all round stats and useful talent is great for striker

so it's just a good PB+J sandwich situation

[azure lintel]

i saw everything now well gg

[raw minnow]

And Ouro nerf was warranted. You look at most builds with an SMG and it was it

[midnight lotus]

there are better things to complain about can people like stop pretending that ouro elmo striker scorpio didnt deserve it

can we stir some heat for the shotgun category

[native walrus]

But you not geting the point I spend month playing this game to get that weapon and hours

[hybrid ore]

They were told by people over and over again that these were the peak of div2, nothing was better.
It's kind of hard to blame them for being salty, when they were fed this line over and over.

I blame the content creators.

[azure lintel]

ouroboros elmo should be not nerfed as i think

[kind veldt]

i know, but he needs to know there's is more fish guns in the sea

[loud storm]

Elmo is good but apart from the shock bullets it did feel a bit lacking in dmg to me so i mostly used EB wich aint as forgiving as the elmo in handling but still prefer it

[kind veldt]

like the F2000 or XM8

[hybrid ore]

"oh god, flounder has a deagle, every one run!"

[midnight lotus]

which is still a cakewalk when you consider the layers of RNG to get a real godroll weapon

[kind veldt]

look the XM8, it looks like a fish

[raw minnow]

AUG is my new best friend

[hybrid ore]

spending hours to get a thing in div2 is like, the basic tenement of the game.

[kind veldt]

hoinestly curious how much it will affect big horn base stats

[hybrid ore]

it's like complaining that you have to mine in minecraft.

[raw minnow]

I only wanna craft, not mine

[hybrid ore]

I dont actually play minecraft, but google tells me that is a thing kids say these days.

[timber hatch]

Just lower the difficulty

[azure lintel]

that wont helps me

i saw that they doing now

if they nerf these my favourite guns i done

[timber hatch]

Ok

[raw minnow]

Yeah, it's impossible to have another love

[azure lintel]

and i look for new game

[raw minnow]

Red gun > orange gun

[hybrid ore]

If you don't love someone through the hard times, you never really loved them.

[raw minnow]

Amen

[hybrid ore]

see i can be am-dram too.

[raw minnow]

Putting on a performance honestly

[native walrus]

But just nerf stuff instead of fixing stuff in game and not putting out new missions or dlc is just plain wrong in my options

[hybrid ore]

All the worlds a stage,because Amazon keep knocking down the rainforests.

@native walrus they are doing all of those things.

[kind veldt]

they are doing that, they buffed like 50 items for one nerfed item

did you read all of the notes?

[azure lintel]

Any mention of manhunt or anything today?

[kind veldt]

they showed the new seasonal structure

[hybrid ore]

@azure lintel Oh yes, so very much.

no 4 targets and a final one anymore.

[kind veldt]

do missions and other stuff to get unlocks for the seasonal modifier and progress the manhunt

[azure lintel]

Is that sarcasm? I can’t tell sorry 😂

[hybrid ore]

now its 14 targets, each 1 week, then the next one drops. Seem to require riddles solved to unlock them. Each gives a comm and another undisclosed reward.

you need all 14 to unlock the Prime Target, Prime will have a new difficulty with "mechanics modifiers"

"Shades of Red" is the potential new Season name.

[azure lintel]

Shades of red? That’s a interesting name

[hybrid ore]

I swear MSV is trolling with that name. Ya know, Rogue not Rouge.

I am kinda here for it.

[midnight lotus]

i just had a joke in my head about the season’s name that im not sure if i should say it here

[hybrid ore]

DM it to me so I can steal it, I mean give you the okay.

[native walrus]

Nobody ask for this patch

[hybrid ore]

Literally every person I've met in game has wanted gun buffs.

[small spear]

rouge agent, momento mori, decent game mode

[zinc shadow]

memento morons

[timber hatch]

People have definitely asked for changes

[native walrus]

But not to nerf stuff

[tiny oar]

there are buffs too

and yes nerfs have been asked

[azure lintel]

but alot nerfs

[midnight lotus]

its 50/50 yall

[timber hatch]

I've absolutely been asking for outliers like the Scorpio, ouro, and sledgehammer to get nerfs, they absolutely deserve them and it's better for the balance of the game

Let's overreact to nerfs 👍

[azure lintel]

thats they want do it

[unborn vigil]

Is it confirmed that lightweight m4 and lvoa-c will be automatic after TU22

[kind veldt]

it is on the patchnote, wait for PTS to give feedback

[hybrid ore]

@azure lintel I'm going to need you to explain as clearly as you can what that means.

take your time.

[tiny oar]

english is hard

[azure lintel]

you think elmo not gonna be nerfed and ouroboros?

[native walrus]

But you not geting my point if you have to spend hours years to get one exotic weapons they they should make it easier to get these weapons

[timber hatch]

Yes, they are, and that's absolutely fine

[kind veldt]

you get one of them like every half hour or less

[hybrid ore]

If you are taking years to get an Exotic, that is your fault.

There's nothing else for it. You are doing it wrong.

[azure lintel]

ok i doing wrong?

[tiny oar]

i get your point, but once you got your exotic, you wont use anything else cause its broken, now its still good but other things are also good

thoses guns arent trash now

[hybrid ore]

Yes, now explain what you meant here.

[native walrus]

Not true I never got the Scorpio weapon I been playing since day one

[tiny oar]

they are still good, just not overpowered

[azure lintel]

do i need mark it and send it what i mean?

[kind veldt]

exotics caches from projects, countdown, leagues, global event shops, general drop and etc

[tiny oar]

scorpio drop everywhere, you might have a bug

[hybrid ore]

Scorpio wasn't around since day 1.

[lunar hare]

lol

[shell spire]

My poor Scorpio

[hybrid ore]

I mean, it's very clearly a WONY exotic. IF you're going to lie, make it believable.

[kind veldt]

if you played the game you would know that in one season you were guaranteed a scorpio by just farming season tracker

[native walrus]

I play this game on ps4 and ps5 and now pc and never gotten it

[kind veldt]

you literally had a chance with 100% drop rate

[tiny oar]

if you played since d1 you should have it with 100% drop rate

there is no way around it its in battlepass

[hybrid ore]

Not even farming, just playing the season pass passively gets you to 100 in the old seasons.

[tiny oar]

i can get lvl 100 battlepass within a few day, so few months its really not hard

[hybrid ore]

I did an entire Season Pass once just doing random activities. Literally not even paying attention.

[timber hatch]

So you didn't get it as a season reward when it was given to everyone?

[native walrus]

No

[tiny oar]

literally yes, its automatic drop if you played

[timber hatch]

Farm gear is really not difficult. This is also a looter/shooter, farming for loot is the whole point

[kind veldt]

looks the ONLY exotic i dont have is one raid exotic, even teh other raid exotic i got it without playing that raid

[native walrus]

I’m rank like 500 on ps5 and 500 on pc now

[kind veldt]

god bless incursion week 1 bug

[hybrid ore]

"rank 500"

[lunar hare]

what the hell is "rank"?????

[hybrid ore]

Shot in the dark here. @native walrus, what is Keener's first name?

[kind veldt]

that doesnt mean anything really, the number doesnt matter what we are saying that there is literally one way to get the new exotic 100% drop rate by the devs and you somehow missed

you clealy missed with scorpio when you have months to do it

[native walrus]

I don’t play this game 7 days a week

[tiny oar]

you dont need to, as we said, even a few hours is enough

[timber hatch]

Brett? He seems like a Brett.

[kind veldt]

neither do i, i play it like maybe 2 times a month

[hybrid ore]

I always pictured him as a Connor.

[lunar hare]

What is rank 500? Does it work? Does it make you more powerful?

[trim mango]

Hes a Mike

[tiny oar]

nah, connor keener, too many k sounds

[timber hatch]

They just mean shd

[midnight lotus]

John Division Keener

[kind veldt]

okay, do you have the current seasonal exotics?

[hybrid ore]

Technically it's John if we go by his VA.
I swear, if they do end up making a tv/movie/whatever out of div, cast him as the same role. Dude's perfect.

[dusky egret]

not an exotic, but THE ENFORCER!!!! 😢

[native walrus]

You start at rank 1 then when you hit rank 40 and complete the story mission on both dlc you get reset to 1 watch level

[hybrid ore]

....nope.

[tiny oar]

if you played so little over 6 years, you def didnt spend hours getting an exotic

[lunar hare]

...

I wanna burst out laughing

[midnight lotus]

they gave everyone a free copy before

[dusky egret]

i remember back in update 11, we had something like 13 or 14 exotics per day playing 8 or 9 hours!

[midnight lotus]

you get a guaranteed exotic cache at least once per season

[hybrid ore]

Okay look, @native walrus you're clearly in over your head. If you want to just bail everyone promises to stop.

[midnight lotus]

they even have targeted loot

[tiny oar]

pinky swear

[kind veldt]

3 exotics by doing the seasonal track, new weapon, new gear and the cache honestly

[tiny oar]

we all been there

[tiny oar]

thats lit

[midnight lotus]

just cutting him some slack by just counting caches so he can roll shotgun

[dusky egret]

yeah, unfortunately that is over these days :S

[kind veldt]

does kenly still guarantees diamondback?

[dusky egret]

they are even more random now by day (5 exotics per 12 hours of play in a group of 4, checked multiple times)

[tiny oar]

yes

[dusky egret]

yup! it still does!

[azure lintel]

ye

[native walrus]

I have over 500 hours in this game on play ps4 and 500 hours on pc now

[native walrus]

I have over 500 hours in this game on play ps4 and 500 hours on pc now

[barren tiger]

is there a tl,dr run down of the video from this morning?

[kind veldt]

not at the moment since there was a lot to piece together

[lunar hare]

Okay, you don't have to repeat the same thing thrice. Plus SHD lvl doesn't mean anything from what you have or not.

[midnight lotus]

yea sure bub 500 hours

[lunar hare]

"I have over 500 hours..." lmao

[tiny oar]

man i have less hours into the game, and i hve 3 times your shd lvl

[barren tiger]

oh okay, i guess i'll watch it then 😆

[midnight lotus]

thats a nice argument senator why dont you back it up with a source

[hybrid ore]

Do you play every game for 500 hours and then not link the account to discord, or just div?

[lunar hare]

-insert Good Doctor's "I am a surgeon" speech-

[hybrid ore]

Every time I see a clip of that show I just start playing the "willy wonka" theme from when they're outside the factory.

that actor is so much better than that awful show.

[native walrus]

I just don’t play this game I play a lot of different games too

[barren tiger]

Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy.

[lunar hare]

lmaooo I just like med series

[midnight lotus]

willy wonka or good doctor

[hybrid ore]

I mean, take your pick. But he's definitely better in the former.

however: go watch Bates Motel instead. That's where he tried.

[midnight lotus]

i feel bad for laughing at an autistic person having a mental breakdown
but its fiction so eh

[lunar hare]

Yeah me too and still dont show off my played hours.

[midnight lotus]

I HAVE
500 HOURS
I HAVE 500 HOURS
I HAVE
I HAVE 500 HOURS
DR HAN

[tiny oar]

500 hours to get 500shd level sounds fishy tbh

[kind veldt]

i mean you have 500 hours in only one season you are not getting all exotics

[hybrid ore]

do i use my power to post the gif.....nah ill resist.

[lunar hare]

Please!

[midnight lotus]

demodded smh

[tiny oar]

do it

(the sith meme do it)

[native walrus]

I have over 200 games in my game collection on ps5

[kind veldt]

just play a bit every season and that should be enough to get every exotic, not a huge amount of hours, just like 10 every 3 months

[hybrid ore]

If we're going by "time = good" then, I really should be better at poker by now.

[lunar hare]

Okay, skip.

[midnight lotus]

whats the women equivalent of no balls

nvm that was a bad joke

[tiny oar]

how do you play 500h on div and dont have exotics from battlepass ?

[midnight lotus]

sorry

chat stop responding to obvious bait

[hybrid ore]

okay thats enough

[tiny oar]

bahahah

[kind veldt]

i dont see the point of saying that, i'm saying that just by playing a bit every couple of months you can get everything, good for you for having more games

[native walrus]

I have like maybe 5

[midnight lotus]

you have 20 messages in the server’s history

[hybrid ore]

that gif is just the best

[kind veldt]

you know are guaranteed exotics in every pass right? just farm that every season, it doesnt take long

[midnight lotus]

if you aint trolling ill eat a sheet of paper

[kind veldt]

thats how most people got their exotics, a bit over time is enough

[hybrid ore]

make it a ream instead.

[midnight lotus]

a what now

[hybrid ore]

you know when you buy paper at the shops?

called a "ream", at least here in aus

[midnight lotus]

oh thats just
500 papers

i just googled that

ight bet

[hybrid ore]

I hate that i knew that off by hand.

[midnight lotus]

do i at least get to deep fry them first

[low lily]

@native walrus you said you had 500h played on playstation?

[hybrid ore]

you can pulp them into a smoothie

fiber is good for you

[native walrus]

What I saying is they make it way too ramdom to get these weapons

[lunar hare]

myth busters!

[midnight lotus]

the chemicals to make then paper tho

[native walrus]

Yes and on 400 on pc

[tiny oar]

its litterally not random at all with battlepass, you play a bit and then get the exotic 100% drop rate

you cant miss exotic

its a 100% chance to get it

[kind veldt]

and what i am saying is that they also give you a 100% chance every season

[low lily]

I just wanted to call you out because it says 39 on your profile, but it says 409 on mine so it's totally lying 🤣🤣

[tiny oar]

also 5 exotics in 500h hours thats just impossible

[lunar hare]

Not random at all. You just don't know how to farm gear correctly.

[tiny oar]

500h idle on menu screen maybe

[hybrid ore]

im willing to cut it down to 250, but you have to also consume a cubed CM of tape.
you get to pick the type of tape.

[lunar hare]

KNEW IT! hahahaha

[native walrus]

No you wrong I looking at my playstion account now

[shell thorn]

Im proud to announce i have barely 20 h in this game yet i loved each single one

[midnight lotus]

the edible one

[tiny oar]

whats your gamertag on pc ?

[hybrid ore]

You shouldve specified edible to people.

[barren tiger]

ugh i think i'll just wait for a tl,dw version of the info 😂

[lunar hare]

"Ilieformyintegrity2000"

[midnight lotus]

50/50,some good some bad

[barren tiger]

19 hrs waiting for backup to arrive 😛 right?

[hybrid ore]

I did quite a lot of that when it was live, if you read through the highlighted messages.

[midnight lotus]

19 hours to beat grand washington hotel(story diff)

[low lily]

You should have like 400 on playstation and 250 on PC account

[tiny oar]

"willsomebodypleasethinkofthekids"

[hybrid ore]

it starts here: #td2-general-chat message

[barren tiger]

do you mean pinned?

[hybrid ore]

if i pin 50 messages the mods will shoot me

[native walrus]

No

[midnight lotus]

condense them into one

turn it into the Witness

[hybrid ore]

I think i have the most important one covered. already pinned.

[tiny oar]

give us your pc gametag/name

[midnight lotus]

but instead of an entire specie its notes

[native walrus]

333 on pc buddy

[tiny oar]

all hail pinned message

[tiny oar]

whats your game tag

[low lily]

Sadly yeah all those difference things say different time

[midnight lotus]

333 on pc buddy is a weird game tag but ok

[low lily]

🫠

[timber hatch]

It keeps dropping from 500 to 400 to 333 now...

[native walrus]

Check you discord message bro

[tiny oar]

give your name ingame

[midnight lotus]

soon it will be 19

[native walrus]

Will you check check you discord message

[timber hatch]

I didn't get anything?

[barren tiger]

this is my favorite from your highlighted messages

[tiny oar]

give us your name ingame so we can help you please

[midnight lotus]

bro cant even send a discord message

stop pushing the goalpost lil bro

post your ign

[lunar hare]

"I have 299 hours"

[midnight lotus]

“i have 199 hours”

[timber hatch]

So 300 hours on PC, 400 on PSN

Like I get in the grand scheme of things that's a solid number, but your not going to impress anyone here with that

[lunar hare]

39 on PS*

[native walrus]

I’m not trying to impress anyone

[tiny oar]

yes you are, give us your ign

[midnight lotus]

its about to be 19 minutes

[native walrus]

Technerd1000

[flat flower]

negl the changes to half the exotics really werent needed. some of the gear changes wasnt needed either

[timber hatch]

Your original point of not getting a Scorpio in that time, it just depends how your spending those hours. You could have put in those 400 PSN hours before the Scorpio was released. If you go farm shotguns in countdown it will likely take a handful of hours to get, but not hundreds

[flat flower]

am i crazy asking wtf is ubisoft massive thinking???

[tiny oar]

287h

[lunar hare]

at least that's more than 39 on ps and claiming he has 500

[midnight lotus]

yea some of them are just awful
but the rest are pretty solid

[native walrus]

Dude I was geting to the point of all I’m saying they make these exotic weapons too hard to get but you like you have to put like 100 hours in to get one weapon

[native walrus]

I said close to 500

[lunar hare]

too hard??? You're just unlucky.

[midnight lotus]

and so the goalpost is moved again

[lunar hare]

Then 400 and then 333. False.

[tiny oar]

how is it hard to get when farming a little is 100% drop rate ?

[midnight lotus]

domain expansion infinite goal post delay

[flat flower]

i mean, fr??? nerf st elmos? bruh. basically EB is now the best. they nerfed striker as well... why? for what? out of all the gear sets to change, its hilarious how they dont touch system corruption at all

[midnight lotus]

we’re way more tame than wfcd

[hybrid ore]

Okay so going through them, i might not be able to fit all of this in one message.

[flat flower]

they nerfed obliterate as well. for what? why? who is crying over it being 25 stacks? at this point glass cannon is now a better talent for damage

[midnight lotus]

elmo and striker deserved it
and yea suscor needed work true but not there yet

[tiny oar]

you didnt say close you said over 500h, and you dont

[lunar hare]

Zip it

[native walrus]

It not false

[flat flower]

in pvp it def needs a nerf but why for pve?

[hybrid ore]

Well to you too.

[midnight lotus]

glass cannon has always been better
obliterate nerf along with chc/chd gearset nerfs is to hamper dps builds(which is bs imo but still)

[lunar hare]

I meant make it a .zip, I know the expression lol

[flat flower]

at this point they just hampered a huge majority of the community

[midnight lotus]

striker has dominated the dps meta for years now it lowkey deserved it
elmo was just too good of a gun

[flat flower]

im surprised they didnt touch the 1 shot hotshot build

[midnight lotus]

i agree but we’ll see where it goes from here

[frosty wadi]

Probably because they know people will be pissed

[flat flower]

too late now 😂

[midnight lotus]

they cant promote build diversity when 2/3 of the primary build archetypes are straight up useless/inferior

[flat flower]

im trying not to sound negative about these changes but i mean... were a good majority of them really needed? seriously 💁‍♂️

[midnight lotus]

skill builds are super niche and worse than red anyway,at least healer and cc setups are good in group play
blue is flat out useless
only red is universally good

[frosty wadi]

I mean, these changes needed to be made

The striker nerf makes me happy inside

[hybrid ore]

2400 characters long.

that's leaving out the chinese div2 stuff.

[kind veldt]

chatterbox, lady death, and backfire buffs definetly

[midnight lotus]

can i take it and post at another server?with credits to you ofc

[flat flower]

this i agree heavily with

[kind veldt]

for every one striker nerf, there is 20 good buffs

[midnight lotus]

also i forgot what did they say about the Chinese ver

[frosty wadi]

Aces with rifles combined with full auto rifles is practically a new gearset in its entirety

[flat flower]

but still, whos gonna dust off their chatterbox? lady? backfire? most of those are better used for comps anyways

[kind veldt]

drasticly different not easy to just take and combine whatever

[hybrid ore]

I mean I don't see why not, I'm sure it's poorly written since I was speed-typing it out live.
lemme see if it fits in a DM

[midnight lotus]

Aces being a better breaking point kek

[kind veldt]

thats the point backfire is really strong now, wont kill the user anymore and needs less stacks to work

[frosty wadi]

The breaking point buff is okay I guess but its absolutely gonna get outshined by aces

[kind veldt]

breakinpoint real buff was rifles becoming full auto

[frosty wadi]

Yea

[flat flower]

great change. then again, alot of the gear that we have now didnt fully need a change to begin with. catharsis was a solid change, as well as some of the gear set reworks

[midnight lotus]

breakpoint’s problem is the buff duratiom

[spare cove]

Next season is called Shades of Red. I'm gonna guess the story is gonna involve recruiting Agents for Keener

[midnight lotus]

if they halved the buff but double the duration it would be significantly better

[kind veldt]

breakpoints problem is a lot of problems

[flat flower]

the only people i see crying over the ouroboros is those in pvp. did it really need a nerf? i mean, really?

[frosty wadi]

It should be 10 seconds at minimum before its worth using

[kind veldt]

was the best gun in the game even for PVE

[frosty wadi]

Literally the best gun

[midnight lotus]

20

[flat flower]

that is true. now because of the nerf, a normal vector is better because you can get a better talent

at least, thats what it sounds like on paper

[kind veldt]

that is a point to bring out in the PTS, people are skipping directly to elmo and ouro and not reading the other 60 other weapons buffs

[frosty wadi]

Yeah ngl the oreo nerf was too much because now its kinda worthless to use

[flat flower]

well, when you tamper with the high popularity weapons and dont give a better alternative, of course people are gonna be pissed

i think the ouro changes should be for pvp only. not pve

same with striker, same with obliterate

[kind veldt]

if you just nerf the ouro and make everything else like ouro then you didnt solve the issue of OP gun you just made 13 other OP guns

[midnight lotus]

ouro deserved the axe

[kind veldt]

ouro problem can be solved by making it have a better talent

[midnight lotus]

rework its talent duh

[flat flower]

that too

[midnight lotus]

it shoots faster than the minigun

[flat flower]

im gonna hold off on lighting my torches and raising my pitch forks until i get my hands on this update. on paper alot of how it sounds (to me at least) sounds horrible

theres good changes yes but i am seeing more bad than good

[kind veldt]

trust me just the shotguns changes have me carrying a torch

[frosty wadi]

When is this season supposed to end? 2 weeks?

I NEED aces rifles

[flat flower]

at this point ARs and SMGs will always be the go-to for all people

[kind veldt]

it always has been the case

[flat flower]

i dont see alot of strong alternatives, which is where im calling out if the changes were really all that necessary

[midnight lotus]

MMR is wild

[kind veldt]

all other exotics SMGs got buffed

[midnight lotus]

we’re back white death meta

[kind veldt]

specially considering how heavy the crit meta is, backfire is goingto be busted

[flat flower]

well i mean, their goal is to change up the seasonal builds, and it seems like they just f*cked pretty much everything we know

[flat flower]

cant wait to see everyone and their mom using it lmao

[midnight lotus]

backfire is just the same thing

nothing changed

[kind veldt]

i dont think they screwed everything, LMGs seem to have gotten mostly buffs, snipers kinda got reverted

shotguns i'm really mad

[flat flower]

LMGs def needed more buffs for sure

[kind veldt]

rifles are in such a weird spot because of full auto that icant comment

[midnight lotus]

also according to the resident server builder every resources we have about the game rn is outdated

[flat flower]

theyre not even that good

[flat flower]

since when has an SVD been fully automatic 🤣 🤡

[spare cove]

Not all rifle will be full auto

[midnight lotus]

they meant automatic trigger

that means you hold the mouse down and it shoots

[kind veldt]

SVD was on the list tho

[flat flower]

fix the game ❌
band-aid solution ✅

[spare cove]

I'm just not into doomposting

[midnight lotus]

tbf its not really band aid when literally everything in the game got touched

half of them are bad sure but band aid is far from it

[kind veldt]

band aid would have been nerfing striker, ouro and elmo and not touching everything else

everything got a pass, we are right to complain some are good and some are bad

[spare cove]

And I am right to complain that some people are acting like babies about it

[broken solstice]

some of it will probably change a bit maybe? if ppl freak out enough

[kind veldt]

sure each to it's own in that matter of opinions

i dont see any benefit of the shotguns change

[rough rover]

Wth is this update....

[spare cove]

Oh boy

[hybrid ore]

Yannick said that feedback in the PTS is where to voice those opinions.

[spare cove]

Another doomposter

[kind veldt]

i'm waiting for the PTS chats to open

if they are already open and i missed them

then apologies

[spare cove]

PTS has been downloaded. Ready for tomorrow

[hybrid ore]

When they do open, you'll need the PTS role, just a reminder.

[midnight lotus]

do they ever like change something according to feedback

[kind veldt]

pretty sure i already have from other times

they do... 2 years later

[hybrid ore]

I mean, Seasonal Charater got nuked from orbit due to mass complaints.
locked loadouts too.

[broken solstice]

that was a good win

[spare cove]

I would've liked seasonal characters as optional

[spare cove]

Locked loadouts?

[tiny oar]

locked loadout mean you cant change items/guns during a mission

that one i can udnerstand

[slow bobcat]

sad that there wont be seasonal characters

[kind veldt]

joins random pistolero lobby

[merry zinc]

community was so mad for something they didn’t even understand

[slow bobcat]

they coudlve added a lot of replayability

[kind veldt]

They mentioned looking at hardcore mode again

No promisses

[spare cove]

I'll only play hardcore if they make it so crashes and CTDs don't wipe your HC character

[kind veldt]

i think the issue is you character stays active ofr a while and then gets killed no?

[spare cove]

Yeah

[kind veldt]

i'm also sitting here thinking

how much they would need rework optimal distance to make people even care

[small hill]

Will there still be semi-auto versions of those rifles?

[kind veldt]

unknown at this moment, as not all rifles will be full auto

[modest cypress]

is the progress in PTS move with me in public server or not?

[kind veldt]

nope

test server with weird stuff

[modest cypress]

thx

[fickle edge]

There's more than one global modifier per season right? It's just the pts having only the range one?

[kind veldt]

one global per season

multiple smaller ones you stack on top of that one to customize

[limpid breach]

so the named weapons stay in the loot pool or only on the selected missions as rewards?

[lunar hare]

Named gear can drop from Hunters, Named caches or vaguely on proficiency caches.

[limpid breach]

damn that destorys cd

[lunar hare]

Not at all. You get named caches from the CD vendor.

[limpid breach]

yes thats 1 random

i ve been doing cd all day to farm named and i get 8+

• named from vendor

[vale rune]

Sorry but its not possible to download Chinese version division 2 , its a free to play game i heard. But cant find a homepage, the game itself.

[crude plume]

Biggest W ever that there won't be seasonal characters

[tiny oar]

its not really free, and its region locked

[stoic bane]

locked to China, you'll need a SSN to play I believe

It's also heavily Pay to win...

[tiny oar]

yeah basically lvl 1 is free, endgame price is insanely high

every loot is green by default

[vale rune]

Ok no worries. I saw the livestream today i think its to difficult now, i thought about manhunt and climax, and level up progression, objectives....

[obsidian fossil]

After reading the PTS patch notes, I am convinced that the Studio wants to encourage us to stop playing altogether and move to Helldivers 2. They want to kill any striker speed run build, making raids, incursion and high rate damage are being kneecapped, Oreo, Scorpio, Elmo, will become hot garbage.
Check the patch notes. They have gone way too far this time.
Any buffs offered are negligible compared to what we lose.
Aside form the interesting story, the gameplay will suffer. The already sunsetting title is going to go dark altogether if this patch goes ahead.

[tiny oar]

striker isnt used for speedruns

just chill, its a game

raids etc are very much still easy to do

people always cry that the game will die at every nerf

[timber hatch]

This is a massive overreaction, but go play whatever you enjoy.

As far as nerfs/buffs, I would not use helldivers as an example lol

[vale rune]

I dont know what to think about the new changes its look complicated.

[tiny oar]

especially when helldivers 2 players were crying non stop about nerfs xd

[vale rune]

More Difficult, ofcourse different,

[plush jay]

gosh its not like everything is so easy and overly powerful anyway 💀 Good nerfs 😎

[neon wyvern]

scorpio mfs when they have to use cover

elmo mfs when the no recoil laser beam with a cc talent and a giant mag is no longer the best gun In the game

[timber hatch]

Elmo's has never been the best gun in the game tbf, it's above average right now, but it's really nothing crazy

It's just that tons of people who don't know what their talking about think it is, which includes the devs

[tiny oar]

elmo is only good cause damage is above avrg but accuracy is top tier as long as 70bullet mag

[kind veldt]

it's the most all rounder no downside gun

[neon wyvern]

The giant mag and laser beam accuracy made it the best in a practical sense

[timber hatch]

The downside is it's an exotic and takes up that slot

[kind veldt]

not ognna fight over DPS regarding strained FAMAS or osmething

[timber hatch]

F2000 with ranger and FAMAS with killer are going to be two high end options that are considerably stronger than Elmo's is right now

[neon wyvern]

wonder what exotic I'm gonna run now with scorpio being murdered and ouro losing a bit of its power

[spare cove]

I think Elmo is overrated even before it gets nerfed.

[golden isle]

how to obtain Bullet King LMG ?

[neon wyvern]

it's overrated and overhated

[kind veldt]

farm LMGs targetted loot or exotic caches

[neon wyvern]

I think mostly overhated

[golden isle]

so its not gonna drop from warlords bosses ?

[kind veldt]

it can drop from any boss or enemy

[obsidian fossil]

I used that as an example of a studio, taking responsibility for over nerfing good strong weapons when compared to relenting increase in enemy toughness and resilience.
I see nowhere in the patch regarding enemy bullet sponginess, response time or rebalance there at all.
My point; despite light ridicule for sharing my opinion, is simply this is the wrong way to go about achieving balance. Concentrating on better build design, enemy TTK reduction in line with damage reduction would be smarter.

The original Dev Team was better at balancing.
Thanks for the responses, Happy you are checking out the changes and are talking about them now. Peace out 🙂

[kind veldt]

just saying the things that have higher chance

[golden isle]

Oh ok

[magic atlas]

I wondered why I got a survey from ubisoft regarding Division 2 and now it all makes sense.

[golden isle]

and what about the chatterbox ?

[kind veldt]

same idea but SMG targetted loot, think you can still do the old way of opening hyena cache boxes for teh part to craft it

[neon wyvern]

have you considered the fact ur build might suck

[golden isle]

Thx for the info

[obsidian fossil]

Have you considered a response that does not include an insult of some kind?

[quartz quartz]

Obviously, Ubi's stock price is still too high, Massive hopes it can drop a bit further

[neon wyvern]

It sounds like you just want the enemies to be nerfed

[timber hatch]

This dev team has done nothing but give us power creep after power creep. It's literally been the opposite problem helldivers has faced for longer than helldivers has been released. This update has some relatively minor and sensible nerfs, and we are still getting some major buffs that will likely still leave us overall stronger

[obsidian fossil]

Overall, if you do one, do both.

[tiny oar]

the original dev team gave you shotgunners that killed you from 300+meters and bullet sponges mobs

[quartz quartz]

Anyone notice the pistol's change？

[kind veldt]

if there were builds thatlet you sleep while playing it was striker elmo/ouroboros and hotshot/determined only seeing one of those nerfed is weird but honestly considering most things got a decent buff wouldnt say it's s obad

[kind veldt]

most damage increases but slower reload?

well attachments for pistols got a hefty buff also

[tiny oar]

yeah lot of them got way better

[kind veldt]

deagle nerf was expected despite the thing having awful recoil no matter how much handling you push for it

[tiny oar]

the new gear set seem nuts too

[kind veldt]

dont think they plan to touch regulus so much since it's really high effort and mostly niche compared to others

[timber hatch]

The thing is the magnum will be even stronger than the D50 is now, which could mean a regulus buff which would be nuts

[tiny oar]

u think new gear set will get easy procs or not ?

im not sure about it

[kind veldt]

well revolver was kinda worse than deagle

not so sure, range is finnicky in this game

want to say that 8/10 times you are in medium or very close range

[neon wyvern]

I hate d50 accuracy

[quartz quartz]

only d50 have a decrease on damage

[kind veldt]

well most pistols got a buff, that's why i didnt say all pistols

[frosty wadi]

New gear set seems very questionable

[kind veldt]

despite making a gear set with similar range gimmick

i dont like the time limitations, and hard to have enemies both too close and too far

[spare cove]

I dunno about y'all, but I feel like the new gear set would have synergy with the new exotic FAL

[frosty wadi]

Season of the rifle gonna be baller

[kind veldt]

interesting propostion to make people run stuff like snipers and shotguns weird ocmbos

[quartz quartz]

but,here's the question
how about my+26 D50

[frosty wadi]

Rifles on top

[kind veldt]

well that FAL just appears to be a good overall use AR

it just gives you more damage against mobs, no hard locked to playstyle

[frosty wadi]

Unless it looks really really cool I don’t expect to be using it

Just another “shoot enemy to shoot enemy better”

[spare cove]

I like FAL, so I'm gonna use it

[kind veldt]

me too

just thinking how to adapt my OD build to the new chest

because backpack still god awful, and need reliable way to get more ammo without ridgeway

[frosty wadi]

I wonder how big of a deal rifles being full auto will be

[spare cove]

I guess we'll have to find out tomorrow

[quartz quartz]

it costs about 56 exotic components to firm a gear to+26

[kind veldt]

gear sets with huge damage boosts with very small timers dont work great, breakpoint case in point

and tips of the spear also

[quartz quartz]

but if it would be impair in next season

[tiny oar]

do you mean odd ?

[kind veldt]

impar means odd in portuguese so dunno if that he meant

in terms of numbers division

[nocturne frigate]

Damn they just flipped m249 on its head

67k w/ 550 rof to 49k w/ 850 rof

Not sure if that’s a buff or a nerf

[spare cove]

To me, it's a buff. Higher DPS means nothing if the weapon itself has slow RoF

[nocturne frigate]

Actually I think dps got buffed

I’m doing the math rn

[timber hatch]

DPS accounts for rof

[spare cove]

Yeah, I got that

[nocturne frigate]

Yeah theoretically m249 does more damage per second now than before

[spare cove]

Also, I love your PfP, wait wat

[kind veldt]

genereally game wants more rof for crits and striker in most cases

[nocturne frigate]

Thanks!

[nocturne frigate]

Still im gonna miss my high damage numbers for the mk48 haha

[frosty wadi]

The heartbreaker buff makes it a legitimately viable option against striker now

You love to see it

[nocturne frigate]

Why did they straight up just nerf the akm? What did it do to them?

It’s not even a super popular option

[spare cove]

Wait, they buffed Heartbreaker?

[frosty wadi]

It has a damage buff

[real creek]

Maybe on paper but HB still has issues with not being able to stack on certain things.

[frosty wadi]

It goes to a max of 130% now I think?

So like 30% increase if Im not wrong

And striker is getting its overall damage decreased, making the gap even smaller

I like heartbreaker makin a comeback

[nocturne frigate]

Bro D50 is getting picked on XD

Only damage nerf out of all the pistols

[real creek]

Yeah it should be closer but if it's not higher damage it'll probs still be better to go for strikers.

[frosty wadi]

I honestly hope they don’t make any massive nerfs or changes after the pts

A lot of this sounds really good

[real creek]

I wish they'd fix HB stacking tho.

[frosty wadi]

Its that way to make sure it doesn’t replace strikers, also pvp

[nocturne frigate]

Why did stability attachments get a massive buff?

[real creek]

What are you talking about?

[frosty wadi]

Because they needed it

[nocturne frigate]

Actually attachments in general just got super buffed

[frosty wadi]

Everyone always just uses crit chance

[real creek]

You know you can't stack on skill proxies with HB right?

[unborn vigil]

It depends

[frosty wadi]

Meh

[kind veldt]

the AK nerf is very weird

[nocturne frigate]

fair point

[nocturne frigate]

EXACTLY WHY LOL

[kind veldt]

unpopular gun because of rof despite decent damage per mag

[unborn vigil]

What did they do

[nocturne frigate]

Nerfed damage by a bit

[kind veldt]

nerfed the damage and range

[unborn vigil]

But why. It wasnt op or anything

[nocturne frigate]

Not mad at the range, akm accuracy wasn’t good enough to use at range

[kind veldt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne frigate]

That’s my thought

[royal pelican]

lot of nerfs and buff were weird

[kind veldt]

thats what we are trying to find out

[neon wyvern]

pick rate data

[royal pelican]

like M4 getting buffed

[neon wyvern]

[kind veldt]

would love to see shotgun pickrate for double barrel to have it double nerfed

[nocturne frigate]

ACS getting buffed despite it already being the most popular shotgun…?

[royal pelican]

M1 getting buffed too
wtf its the most used rifle

[unborn vigil]

If a gun gets buffed, the named version also gets the buff?

[nocturne frigate]

Yes

[kind veldt]

ACS is not popular for shotgun builds

[royal pelican]

the gun category gets buffed

[nocturne frigate]

Really?

[royal pelican]

so exotic too

[nocturne frigate]

I see lots of people using the acs

[kind veldt]

for striker

[royal pelican]

not good damages

[kind veldt]

it builds stacks like no other gun

[unborn vigil]

Yeah

But sucks at dmg

[kind veldt]

i like it, but i know it's used for something else

[nocturne frigate]

Fair point then

[neon wyvern]

it's actually really good at damage if ur at point blank range

[royal pelican]

all the smg getting nerfed... like wtf

[neon wyvern]

better then ouro and all those popular exotics

[kind veldt]

like lefty was used to debuff bosses

you are still stuck with a gun with almost no ammo economy

[unborn vigil]

What lefty did on meret, i will never forget

[royal pelican]

I would like all of us to spend a bit of time for a prayer to Sledgehammer

[kind veldt]

ACS for combat is fun, too much ammo hungry and limited range

[unborn vigil]

I hope they will fix the rock'n roll

[frosty wadi]

A lot of them were great

[kind veldt]

i dont expect to see anyone running sledgehammer anymore at all

[frosty wadi]

?

[royal pelican]

?

[neon wyvern]

it's fixed

[kind veldt]

they already fixed ammo if thats what you were talking about

[quartz quartz]

i meam
what about the gears that is already "+26" but would be weakened like D50?
and what about the components that have already been spent?
the time and effort required to get them?

[kind veldt]

well magazine size i meant

[frosty wadi]

Rifles are still mostly keeping the higher damage right?

[kind veldt]

eh....

[unborn vigil]

It is? Wow

[kind veldt]

they appear to have some nerfs smaller ones for most of them

[royal pelican]

not all

some were hit by a train

[frosty wadi]

Tbf thats fine

[unborn vigil]

They nerfed the P416 :/

[kind veldt]

M1A and 1886 have huge buffs but i assume it's mostly because they will now perform at max rof by being full auto in comparison

[frosty wadi]

Being full auto has the potential to make them insane, even if its not technically a buff

[royal pelican]

i was definitely not using a macro before

[kind veldt]

rifles are the hardest category to pinpoint the damage at the moment

[frosty wadi]

Tbf wouldn’t that also be a nerf to eb, which would make sense

[kind veldt]

oh yeah

wait, ahahahhahahahahaha

[frosty wadi]

Well in theory they can now hit more damage, as a lot of rifles are just not usable at full rpm

[kind veldt]

i wonder if P90 rof increases will affect chatterbox

[royal pelican]

Also, why did they nerfed the ROF of the ouroboros...
.45 vector was already nerfed

[unborn vigil]

They are trying to stop me from using my glory daze

[royal pelican]

it will be

[frosty wadi]

Oreo got destroyed

[lunar hare]

by how much?

[kind veldt]

chatterbox had 200 less rof

[royal pelican]

10% ROF

[frosty wadi]

Good riddance

[unborn vigil]

Oh no, anyway

[kind veldt]

that gun deserves a good talent tho

[unborn vigil]

Its not bat but could be better

[lunar hare]

yeah, that talent is almost if not useless

[royal pelican]

good talent or good stats

[lunar hare]

talent

[spare cove]

Good talent

[kind veldt]

i prefer a bit of both

[royal pelican]

useless talent = Excellent stats

[kind veldt]

i'm looking at you sweet dreams

i know you have busted damage, but your talent still bad

[royal pelican]

new buff: 1000000 dmg per pellet

[kind veldt]

overlord also becoming a super high damage stick with bad talent just bothers me

[royal pelican]

the buff ksg got is insane

[kind veldt]

make all other shotguns not even exist tier

[royal pelican]

anyway, I dont like most of the nerf and buffs for the exotics
some weapons were murdered by talent + weapon nerf

looking at you scorpio

[kind veldt]

would say most exotics got a decent help

it's mostly thing people forgot or didnt care like chatterbox, lady death, backfire, or the entire eoxtic LMG category

[royal pelican]

The game is becoming harder and harder, but the only buff we got was for attachment

[lunar hare]

I like chatterbox, just not it's damage

[royal pelican]

hope the +14% damage will be enough for her

but I don't think it will

[lunar hare]

I'll try it again tonight

[royal pelican]

new brand is shit

[kind veldt]

the game isnt really becoming harder i think

new brand is obviously bait with the new gear set

still on the fnce in that one but leaning more towards being too gimmicky to work than strong

[neon wyvern]

just looking at the talents giving me a headache

[kind veldt]

numbers are too big but buffs are too short to be relevant

[neon wyvern]

how is someone supposed to play around this

[royal pelican]

me and my friend now need to bring striker for some of the last hunt quest where we went full r* before

[kind veldt]

keener one was chill compared to the recruiter and sparkles

[royal pelican]

yeah

try doing recruiter without striker

[kind veldt]

thats what i did

to be fair i switched to heartbreaker

similar gimmick but more tanky

[royal pelican]

I like the nerf for striker

[kind veldt]

it's just a touch

[spare cove]

I did it with an armor regen build. Wasn't difficult

[unborn vigil]

D3FNC gear set in div 2 when

[royal pelican]

Lone Star when

[frosty wadi]

Good riddance

(Striker still gonna be overused)

The umbra buff is nice

Honestly this season is exactly what Ive been asking for

Good one massive

[royal pelican]

easy to use

remove some nerfs and it will be perfect, yes

I think massive has had enough of people playing CQC

[lunar hare]

I still don't get most of the changes, I need them to be explained to me
(my brain isn't braining)

[kind veldt]

anything you curious about?

[lunar hare]

everything

[royal pelican]

if weapon is close quarter then:
  nerf
else if weapon is long range
  nothing change

[frosty wadi]

I mean, the season is all about range

And long range typically sucks in this game

[kind veldt]

you say it like snipers are not more popular than shotguns

[frosty wadi]

Determined headhunter

[lunar hare]

I saw the um, that the SR-1 can now be replaced by what weapon? 1886?

[royal pelican]

don't listen to him white death

[frosty wadi]

Yee, haw

[frosty wadi]

Is that not the gun with perfect determined?

[royal pelican]

Nope

[frosty wadi]

I forget what white death is

[royal pelican]

Mosin with the yellow headshot stat

[lunar hare]

Relic*

[royal pelican]

you put determined on it

[frosty wadi]

Ah so it goes with determined even better

[lunar hare]

White Death's talent can be changed, so...

[royal pelican]

yes

I usually do 30m per shot

[frosty wadi]

Im praying for the downfall of determined headhunter

[royal pelican]

why ?

[lunar hare]

headhunter
(rotor blades where are you)

[kind veldt]

some would say it's more problematic than striker in being OP

[frosty wadi]

Do I really need to explain

[royal pelican]

no

[frosty wadi]

What makes it worse is that hotshot isn’t even that amazing of a gearset, its just that its insanely strong with those two talents

Im certain that like 80% of people using snipers are doing the one shot determined shit

[lunar hare]

so, a HE DPS can be more viable than striker's?
I think I'm getting this one wrong

[eager breach]

Agreed my thing is why even nerf them? They’ve been in the game for years. Leave them alone. Nerfing things is a great way to “win” players back. That is sarcasm btw lol

[frosty wadi]

It honestly is

Some of the nerfs are bad yes BUT

Some of the nerfs were necessary and are healthy for the game

[eager breach]

Like which?

[royal pelican]

I am not mad at the nerf, I simply say that some weapon were murdered

[royal pelican]

Scorpio talent
too strong

[frosty wadi]

Striker, elmos, oreo, p4 whatever its called ar

[frosty wadi]

^

[royal pelican]

Oreo shouldn't had his ROF and mag nerfed
his damage and attachment should have been

[eager breach]

Why do you think they need to be nerfed. Meta builds are in every game

[frosty wadi]

Because they’ve been oppressing everything else in the game

Why do you think so much stuff got buffs

[eager breach]

It happens with every major TU

[royal pelican]

Also, elmo wasn't really nerfed, more tuned to be a bit stronger than the rest of the AR

[frosty wadi]

Elmo absolutely did get nerfed, its death by thousand cuts, yes its still good and usable, but now its harder to just slap onto anything and everything

[inner elbow]

Elmo will be powercreeped by the Strega anyway. Shits OP

[eager breach]

But once more, EVERY game has best in slot. Div 2 is a PvE game now. Why nerf PvE things? Especially THIS LATE in div 2’s life cycle

[frosty wadi]

Good

[eager breach]

It makes zero sense

[frosty wadi]

Because its been that way for years

[royal pelican]

5% crit rate and dmg, 5% handling and the 10 bullets

[frosty wadi]

This game had horrible balancing, this season is FINALLY changing it up

[eager breach]

My point so why waste time now nerfing it lmao

[royal pelican]

but m4 got a 30k weapon buff

[frosty wadi]

???? Because we are becoming stronger???

If you only buff stuff the game becomes too easy, then you have to make it harder by making it unfair

Balance exists in pve games for a reason

[proud tartan]

So I never really played the decent is it possible for me to get multiple descent comms in one week if I only got 1 out of the 74

[eager breach]

Well I’m not retyping what I just wrote. It just got deleted because I used a “bad word” 🤡🤡🤡

[frosty wadi]

Cry about it

[hybrid ore]

Okay that's enough, both of you move on.

[lunar hare]

Spaghetti

[frosty wadi]

Anyways, this is the first time in a long time Im actually positive and looking forward to a division season

[eager breach]

So you just gonna delete all my messages

Clown show

[hybrid ore]

If they continue the topic after it was ended, yes I will.

I'm super looking forward to the Modifiers. The way they all interact with each other is gonna be interesting.

[eager breach]

So he can keep his but I can’t say what I want

[frosty wadi]

Can I get a tdlr for it I still don’t understand it overall

[hybrid ore]

@eager breach Shh.

Sure, lemme see if I can find my post.

[eager breach]

Na imma leave. Shit is wild

[neon wyvern]

lol

[vast aspen]

oh boy, can't wait to test full auto SVD blindfire with Negotiator's dilemma

[hybrid ore]

Passive Modifiers work alongside the Global Modifiers, it seems that they work as a sort of "new ultimate ability"
they interact and change the global modifier, with Hostile Modifiers being unchangeable and picked by the game.

[sour void]

Saw the TU22 patch notes. Goodbye, Ouroboros, my beloved.

[hybrid ore]

so tl;dr
Global are the big ones, passive tweak the global ones, and hostile are negative for balance.

oh and you interact with them via the SHD Brick on your back, it's finally useful!

and also Modifiers are not active inside PvP or Descent, but will be active within Raids+Incursions, unless they chance that last part during the PTS, which I suspect they might.

[frosty wadi]

I saw that you could disable it if you want which is good

[hybrid ore]

Yep! Also, they don't change xp gains.

And the best part? It's per your character in a group. They aren't Directives.
So everyone can have their own Modifiers that affect only them.

and each Season we'll get new ones, they aren't currently set to repeat.

[vast aspen]

the best buff that would make Ninjabike good would be if it respected the backpack talents of gear sets

[azure lintel]

the isac mods are interesting although they aren't what i thought they would be

[kind veldt]

the seasonal modifier feels like div 1 GE for me more

[lunar hare]

well, changes are good
Poor Scorpio, it will take almost two mags to proc its dmg amp. Not that bad ig

[hybrid ore]

I'm clearly quite overtired, but isn't it now pellet based?

[small spear]

no still number of rounds

[timber hatch]

It's always had its duration depend on the number of pellets landed

[small spear]

duration yeah. we're talking about the stacks

[sour void]

Did some quick math while looking for the new fastest firing gun to replace my Ouroboros with. The Chatterbox was a key candidate.

Post buff, it fires at 1575 RPM (around 1640 if re-rolled with ROF third attribute). +40% from buffed and maxed out Umbra gives me around 2200 RPM at full tilt.

Also, Scorpio nerf sucks.

[lunar hare]

I like to rush enemies, not a fan of hiding or using CTC

[kind veldt]

depends if the P90 changes affect the chatterbox

[hybrid ore]

<Agent killed in action>

[kind veldt]

extra 200 rof is quite a lot

[sour void]

I just want to role play as a GAU-8 Avenger in casual play.

[azure lintel]

Gunner Cap is the only acceptable headgear to wear with the new Crane outfit. This isn't an opinion, it's actually factual.

[limpid pond]

leave it to the french to ruin meta builds once again

[sour void]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the 5% extra ROF boost on kill for Gunner.

[sour void]

Amen.

[grand swan]

I'm pretty sure people are going to be way pissed with the nerfs

And they destroyed my boy scorpio 😭

[restive pier]

What a way to screw the community by nerfing the meta builds.
It's like they took inspiration from Helldivers 2🤔

[grand swan]

If we manage to change the season courses by absolutely bullying (no harassment to the devs ofc) we can also do this

[restive pier]

Yeah but the fact that they thought that this was a good idea just blows my mind

[grand swan]

Welcome to new ubi

[restive pier]

The devs buffed Striker because it was slow stacks and weak damage and now they nerf it 🤣

[restive pier]

Right

[spare cove]

Striker's nerf is so small that I doubt it'll force people to leave it

[restive pier]

Striker is just the beginning what about the 3 meta weapons and the dps brand set's

[spare cove]

But I get it. Any nerf no matter how justified equals doomposting

[limpid pond]

yeah, but they also nerfed the most popular weapons that go with Striker

[restive pier]

What was the point of nerfing them

[spare cove]

Sure, keep doomposting

[limpid pond]

you can block me if you dont like it

[grand swan]

question

What's doomposting

[restive pier]

Lol go kiss the devs asses

[spare cove]

It's where people go in hysteria while posting

[limpid pond]

according to him, its any kind of complaining

[grand swan]

Let's all cool down boys

[restive pier]

Yup

[frosty wadi]

Good

[spare cove]

They could try the PTS. But hey, what do I know. I just kiss the devs asses

[restive pier]

Another kiss ass

[frosty wadi]

Maybe people can experiment with fun builds now

[frosty wadi]

Im literally the biggest hater here

[rough phoenix]

I like how MMR's and Rifles now how pretty much the same Optimal Range, with not some MMR's having less than a Rifles, but also how they are all outranged by LMG's. lmao

[frosty wadi]

Strikers will still be strong with the nerf

[spare cove]

^

[limpid pond]

"Fun" and the French, don't go along

[spare cove]

Massive is Swedish

[frosty wadi]

Lol

[restive pier]

I'm done with this server and these kiss asses

[limpid pond]

who do you think is telling them to make these changes, Ubi is French. DERP

[spare cove]

It's still Massive's decision at the end of the day

[limpid pond]

you clearly dont know how that works

[frosty wadi]

Sad because the most boring gearset and weapons in the game got nerfed, you should experiment with the new changes coming

A lot of great changes are coming

The good outweighs the bad heavily