nocturne frigate
the only time i see three agents exit south side judi safe zone at the same time
#td2-general-chat
dense saffron
Was in dz south, didn’t get critperors guard as the tl was kneepads
small spear
do descent 💀
lunar hare
weren't emperors only from descent?
dense saffron
weren't emperors only from descent?
Blueprint iirc
dense saffron
do descent 💀
Easy for you to say
south knot
I see Ubisoft has bumped up the Exotic requirements to the old levels.
lunar hare
the what now?
hybrid ore
Project Resolve halved the requirements for the total needed in Expertise,
AFAIK there's been no increased Exotic requirements added, well, ever.
frosty wadi
Its vaguely similar
forest bay
The event is ridiculous, complete the project to get one reward, then you have to wait more than 2 hours 🙂
I thought the event would be fun, but no, I was disappointed. I hope that the upcoming events will be fun and not repetitive.👍
frosty wadi
Past “events” have been exactly this
hybrid ore
Wait a min is this the clash of clans discord server
Don't tell anyone, but we renamed it "division 2" a while back and no one's noticed yet.
thick egret
I love how lore accurate this community is, I was in the DZ for the first time in like a year or something and met a rogue agent on a landmark, instead of killing me, he just saluted and helped me deal with them, then he left, a few months ago he would have melted me or something because somehow rogue agents are op
full zinc
I see Ubisoft has bumped up the Exotic requirements to the old levels.
original exo costs would see you using 175 exo/item for level 26 upgrade... its currently in the 50-60 exo range to max expertise an item, iirc. around 1/3 the original costs 😅
hybrid ore
I love how lore accurate this community is, I was in the DZ for the first time i...
That kind of thing is why I prefer games with a few miles on them. The community mellows out and it's all much more pleasant.
Especially ones where the average player-base's age is as "owns a train set" as div2's is.
stoic bane
That kind of thing is why I prefer games with a few miles on them. The community...
I love that, may I steal that description of the Div 2 playerbase?
lethal sonnet
Erm
You can acquire the Nemesis exotic via target loot MMR after getting the Nemesis Blueprint right?
I found out the happy way
Got one from West End
hybrid ore
Basically, when you complete a Project, the thing gets added to your loot pool, although a notable exception is the Regulus.
Chatterbox/Dodge City/Liberty/Nemesis, etc. All added.
(and the best part: if you share blueprints between characters: they can farm it out too)
lethal sonnet
Aren’t project blueprints unlocked individually?
hybrid ore
Just buy everything from the Crafting Vendor, you'll have them added.
lethal sonnet
So once I have all the reconfigure blueprints I can farm all the respective exotics out ‘cept the Regulus?
Ok
abstract rapids
Chatterbox, Nemesis and other exotics craftable, they add in your loot table when you got one in inventory.
For exemple, a friend loot Nemesis, drop it so you can pick it up then give it back to your friend. Nemesis is added to your loot table.
spare cove
What's today's mooncake project?
grand swan
I thought the event would be fun, but no, I was disappointed. I hope that the up...
Division 2 players on their way to play the shit out of a new event and blame the game's boring later
grand swan
What's today's mooncake project?
Shoe
spare cove
I meant what activity I need to do to complete it
iron gust
4 activities in judiciary square
spare cove
Cool. I can handle those, no problem
low lily
Division 2 players on their way to play the shit out of a new event and blame th...
I mean the event is doing couple side activities, it's not like it's a big thing 😅😅
kind veldt
Stream is roughly in one hour?
abstract rapids
Stream is roughly in one hour?
yeah
hot wigeon
Who’s pumped for the PTS!?!?
hybrid ore
Stream is starting in three and a half minutes, folks. That's 3:25 to go as of right now.
rigid wedge
Alright people. Were they cooking or not
We will find out in 2 minutes
It started
they were not cooking-
Alright I will be fr
kind veldt
skull has theo glasses?
rigid wedge
It's cool
hybrid ore
skull has theo glasses?
nerd skull.
ebon steeple
Bruh are they making it so we can't finish the season pass in a day
rigid wedge
So season levels is just useless
hybrid ore
No, why would they be useless?
hybrid ore
You advance the season pass by doing these objectives, not just mindlessly farming stuff.
rigid wedge
(sorry I can't hear very well I'm in 2 livestreams at once)
rigid wedge
You advance the season pass by doing these objectives, not just mindlessly farmi...
:pains:
rivens is disappointed in me sorry
I didn't read that right
Alright this is cool so far
My biggest fear is seasonal characters
hybrid ore
lets wait until they talk about them, theyve said they have been changed
rigid wedge
As long as they aren't forced and lose rewards I'm fine with it
hybrid ore
You were never going to lose the rewards, you could transfer the new gear you got to your main character
raw minnow
I love people in the chat asking if people still play this trash lol
They must have nooooooo life to be doing that
hybrid ore
No reason to focus on trolls
rigid wedge
sad people tbh
raw minnow
Oh absolutely sad
hybrid ore
You must be lvl 40 before you can access the 4th level of journeys, with each level before that being 10 levels below.
hybrid ore
seasonal characters have been removed, all other features have been kept
If I repeat something someone else hsa said don't worry about it, I'm using it as an archive method.
rigid wedge
Thank you Rivens
raw minnow
Gimme more damage lol
kind veldt
well not a watch, a brick hilariously
hybrid ore
the SHD brick on your back now is a menu for seasonal modifiers
they interact and change the global modifier```
dusk trench
this whole range zone thing might end up feeling tedious, but we'll have to see i guess
rigid wedge
```alternative modifiers work alongside the global modifiers, work as a sort of ...
poggers
hybrid ore
all listed modifiers change each season, not just swap around
spare cove
I can still create a seasonal character?
hybrid ore
@spare cove #td2-general-chat message
spare cove
I see. So I can play it on my main then
neon wyvern
is this power creep?
iron gust
So no seasonal characters but the journey requires a new character? A bit confused
Do these modifiers apply to our normal character?
kind veldt
might wanna pin that
iron gust
Guess I gotta try the pts
naive bear
Bro, this game is so dead. It took me five hours to find someone to play on matchmaking
kind veldt
they are leaking into discord lmao
naive bear
They need to come on and come out with division three already
hybrid ore
``seasonal characters have been removed, all other features have been kept``
It's been announced, many years away still.
naive bear
Or make it cross server
dusk trench
They need to come on and come out with division three already
gotta wait at least 5 years for that i reckon
neon wyvern
crossplay
hybrid ore
e.g. hsd massively increased, bodyshots massively decreased.```
timber hatch
Bro, this game is so dead. It took me five hours to find someone to play on matc...
What were you trying to matchmake for?
naive bear
What were you trying to matchmake for?
I haven’t played the game in years, bro. I’m a fresh cookie.
And the account I played on got banned
timber hatch
So story mode?
rigid wedge
I haven’t played the game in years, bro. I’m a fresh cookie.
And yet you complained the game is dead 💀
naive bear
And yet you complained the game is dead 💀
Is more dead than Warframe
molten spire
banned
expects sympathy
bold strat, let's see how it plays out
hybrid ore
Hostile Modifiers aren't chosen, also change each Season
hybrid ore
Is more dead than Warframe
Okay now I know this is a troll.
naive bear
>banned
>expects sympathy
bold strat, let's see how it plays out
I’m a police officer, bro sympathy is not in my book
neon wyvern
🗿
kind veldt
deja vu
full zinc
What were you trying to matchmake for?
hard countdown 👴
kind veldt
i feel like you said hte same thing a couple of weeks ago
hybrid ore
@naive bear Do me a favour, say "the game is reprogrammed".
rigid wedge
Is more dead than Warframe
POV: You don't even know player counts
hybrid ore
Okay back to the stream, this stuff is great!
naive bear
POV: You don't even know player counts
The way things going is less than 100 😂😂😂😂
hybrid ore
Modifiers will NOT apply in pvp or Descent
rigid wedge
I'm quite excited
neon wyvern
decent
hybrid ore
Some modifiers lock out Global Events, so must be disabled to start. Entirely due to balance
molten spire
```Modifiers will NOT apply in pvp or Descent```
yeah I wonder how long it took for them to figure that might not be a good idea
Wonder if it has the same "you have to turn it back on manually" thing GEs have after a Countdown, Raid, Incursion or foray into the DZ
dusk trench
Y6S2: Shades of Red
hybrid ore
Manhunts: no longer unlock 4 targets and 1 prime one, now there's "scouts" and they unlock each week, 14 weeks total
"Scouts" are hidden by riddles to unlock
dusk trench
this one is obviously the taxi control point but yeah
neon wyvern
holy a div2 activity that doesn't require you to kill 900 people
dusk trench
so far they're cooking, hope it plays well
neon wyvern
iron gust
The hidden scout/riddle is a good change
hybrid ore
Each Scout has its own reward card, each gives a voice comm and a "small other reward". Must be Lvl 40
dusk trench
The hidden scout/riddle is a good change
yeah even if it's easy as heck it'd still be a nice change of pace
hybrid ore
````several scouts from the season are in the PTS, but not all. Minor story spoilers within the PTS```
dusk trench
that might get me to try the PTS ngl
spare cove
Manhunt scouts sounds neat
rigid wedge
All 14 scouts must be completed
dusk trench
yeah, hopefully they can keep it fresh for a while at least
hybrid ore
You need to do all 14 scouts to unlock the final target
rigid wedge
oof
neon wyvern
new difficulty real
rigid wedge
new raid real
warm minnow
?????
hybrid ore
new special difficulty based on the seasonal modifiers, only available within the final target's mission
dusk trench
and this is a good way to incentivize playing weekly as well
(which is great because as it stands i only log in every few times every month for the manhunt and league stuff)
dusk trench
```new special difficulty based on the seasonal modifiers, only available within...
yeah that's probably the master difficulty they mentioned
hybrid ore
Note: new difficulty has "modified mechanics" which sounds an awful lot like tweaked skills.
spare cove
new raid real
For real?
dusk trench
the UI for the range modifier is around the reticle
spare cove
Lol
neon wyvern
o my God it's that random Lincoln memorial spawn in the front
hybrid ore
My queendom for that being added to Talents that use it.
dusk trench
we can probably expect people to lab out exact numbers for the ranges
hybrid ore
Modifiers do not alter xp gains
hybrid ore
3 active, 12 passive, 4 enemy modifiers this season
warm minnow
His elmo is doing 220k
Uh he has modifiers so who knows
hybrid ore
Modiifiers are active during raids and incursions
warm minnow
Wait wtf
hybrid ore
You can disable modifiers
kind veldt
i mean
warm minnow
```Modiifiers are active during raids and incursions```
Uh no I can’t wait to see how fast speedruns can get
kind veldt
that could either or break some of them
hybrid ore
````Every tier of the Journey has 8 objectives, only 6 are required to advance```
timber hatch
It's driving me nuts how he has that shield he's not using lol
rigid wedge
60 rounds<:petter:574985790304550938>
Yeah it has 61 rounds
hybrid ore
He's cosplaying as the average div2 player.
rigid wedge
The Elmo had like 71
azure lintel
Did I miss the stream?
rigid wedge
Did I miss the stream?
Nope
tiny oar
Did I miss the stream?
its on rn
timber hatch
Oh shit, a whole gear rebalance....
hybrid ore
"basically" every single item has been rebalanced.
rigid wedge
there goes my striker build...
ebon steeple
O no Oreo nerf I can smell it
timber hatch
Was that not mentioned until now? Rofl that's huge
hybrid ore
All rebalance values are listed in the patch notes, with comparisons to current values
tiny oar
```"basically" every single item has been rebalanced.```
cant wait to see everything i have being bad and having to refarm everything xd
timber hatch
"oh btw, everything is different"
hybrid ore
Patch Notes are going live wihtin a few hours of the preload starting
All changes/nerfs subject to change
ebon steeple
Gimmie EB buff make it bis
hybrid ore
@ebon steeple What is it, 2019.
neon wyvern
rip azurmen
raw minnow
So while this is for the PTS, is this what drops in a little over 4 weeks for the new season?
neon wyvern
hybrid ore
There's going to be more than one phase of the PTS
limpid breach
did they talk about new gearset or exotic?
tiny oar
im sad seasonal characters arent a thing anymore :(
idle pecan
I haven't played in about 6 months or so, anything new that's been added or that will be added soon that I should play for?
spare cove
im sad seasonal characters arent a thing anymore :(
I would've liked them optional
rigid wedge
did they talk about new gearset or exotic?
Not yet but you get an whole big rebalance
ebon steeple
Are patch notes today?
hybrid ore
@idle pecan Have a look at the highlighted messages of mine in this chat for the last little while, all upcoming changes.
kind veldt
yeah i'm curious about new gear
hybrid ore
@ebon steeple #td2-general-chat message
kind veldt
since everything changed someone mentioned that seasonal tracker was missing
tiny oar
I would've liked them optional
yeah same
limpid breach
Not yet but you get an whole big rebalance
what the counter under his shd level in the live?
hybrid ore
Season Pass menu is still there, it just wasn't shown in the stream.
hybrid ore
are said to balance it out.```poor rivens must type as fast as the live goes. Rivens you have all of my respect xd
ebon steeple
Throwback event?
hybrid ore
"Older seasons are not purchasable, but you will be able to play all in chronological order in a "throwback evnet"
spare cove
```Season Pass has been merged with paid and free, less overall free items but ...
That's gonna go well with the subreddit
ebon steeple
Oh not purchasable so meh
raw minnow
I will say, even with that mag nerf on the Elmo it looks like it's reloading incredibly fast
spare cove
```"Older seasons are not purchasable, but you will be able to play all in chron...
So, not able to level up past the season passes, then?
ebon steeple
Didn't it always reload fast it had 20% reload
neon wyvern
I will say, even with that mag nerf on the Elmo it looks like it's reloading inc...
thats the effect of a 20% handling mod + 15% striker handling attribute
hybrid ore
So, not able to level up past the season passes, then?
The older season passes are not returning.
raw minnow
Maybe I just don't notice it when I'm playing and it seems more impactful when it's someone else lol
ebon steeple
O no Oreo def nerfed
timber hatch
Hope so
hybrid ore
ANNA seems to have a lot of dialogue throughout the game
timber hatch
My only issue is I have no faith in their ability to balance things since they've really shown themselves to be clueless in the game balance area
hybrid ore
"Modifiers are stated to be incredibly strong, so any nerfs are at least partially to balance them out
ebon steeple
No way we aren't seeing the new exotics
kind veldt
okay new eoxtics and brands are still part of the seasonal thing
hybrid ore
Each Agent has their own modifiers active, not like directives. No word on Hostile Modifiers yet
spare cove
So it's different for each player?
hybrid ore
Ducks are actually part of the lore if you shoot them
I can't believe I typed that.
spare cove
Ngl, I'm really interested for next aeason
tender wave
makes sense since you'll want to build your modifiers around the rest of your build
spare cove
Any idea what's next season called
hybrid ore
used name as a place-holder```5x XP event is active for about 3 days this Season, confirmed to be capped at 1000 levels, alongside Golden Bullet.
No DLC news as of today
spare cove
Well, I'm Keen to hear more of ANNA
hybrid ore
Hardore is getting "a look at" this Season.
rigid wedge
Project Resolve 2.0
Resolve harder
hybrid ore
Skills are not being rebalanced, yet`` Cheater bans are set to increase, the best way to report is via the Support Ticket, NOT twitter.```
raw minnow
The Resolvening
hybrid ore
Spec Rework is still on the cards, but not for a while yet. Has not been cancelled. Initial version marked as "not strong enough".
1-strap backpacks are not possible in div2 due to the Agent models being different from div1 Apparently this is a controversy, seriously.
raw minnow
Man people are losers lol
hybrid ore
Hey not, every one's got a hobby.
kind veldt
that backpack thing is older issue they mentioned
raw minnow
Give me one strap or give me death
hybrid ore
Potentially new hairstyles, but might take a bit
ebon steeple
1 hour til patch notes
rigid wedge
One more hour until patch notes
raw minnow
Those notes are gonna be like a legal document lol
rigid wedge
no new raids
hybrid ore
No more leagues
spare cove
Man, I'm gonna miss getting those backpack trophies
Those leagues were kinda fun
hybrid ore
Timed challenges are almost certainly returning
raw minnow
The time bonus stuff could be a part of those challenges though
It's the same idea that you have to finish x mission in y minutes
spare cove
Makes sense
hybrid ore
Hopeful but confused tones about transmogs for Exotics
modest cypress
Any idea what is the size of T22 update on PC ? thanks
hybrid ore
Daria's lipstick is smudged
hybrid ore
"please read the entire patch notes, don't talk on doomsday scenarios over a few things"
raw minnow
What do you mean, I wanna overreact
iron gust
That shade from Yannick
raw minnow
"Oh no, my thing that's been meta is going to be slightly less meta but more potential viable options"
hybrid ore
Chinese version of div2's items have to be added on a casy-by-case basis and is subject to MSV themselves
PvP glitch is being fixed during TU 21.5
MSV work on 5 versions of the same version of div2 at the same time, not including the Chinese version of div2, which is a different team
modest cypress
Any idea what is the size of T22 update on PC ? thanks
anyone?
hybrid ore
No one can possibly know.
modest cypress
No one can possibly know.
thx
warm minnow
```Chinese version of div2's items have to be added on a casy-by-case basis and ...
The most important announcement. Possible Dinosaur costume in the future.
hybrid ore
No secret versions of div2 exist, stop askingHmm, suspicious.
low lily
The most important announcement. Possible Dinosaur costume in the future.
More interesting in 32 man and changed dz's
hybrid ore
feedback, feedback, feedback, feedback on the PTS
warm minnow
Exactly
rigid wedge
that wasn't bad..yet.
iron gust
Patch notes are going to be interesting and ultimately if the feedback is heard
kind veldt
i mean it explained how seasonal format and modifiers work
midnight lotus
its funny seeing yannick suffer in challenging lincoln tho
kind veldt
wouldnt say that was nothing
midnight lotus
like bro how could you fumble so hard
raw minnow
Striker was clearly nerfed that much
hybrid ore
"nothing" is a bit much.
the seasonal modifiers looked kinda brutal.
midnight lotus
he was fighting for his life
kind veldt
well good to know some modifiers make your life harder
iron gust
Imagine the modifiers don't work with status effects builds
midnight lotus
Striker was clearly nerfed that much
i was half expecting to see him use the striker chest because of how low the stacks were,but in the split frame when he opens his build it does not have the chest😭
kind veldt
tho this one reminds me a bit too much of Div1 GE
midnight lotus
"nothing" is a bit much.
the seasonal modifiers looked kinda brutal.
fair but why activate them
hybrid ore
The fact that we're getting 3 different type of modifiers, and they're going to be unique to each Season.
midnight lotus
like there's hard modifiers and there's bs modifiers like broken armor
warm minnow
D1 ge modifiers were good
midnight lotus
im not seeing the full picture but im neutral on that
frosty wadi
So I skimmed through the new livestream, did they say anything about other content like gearsets or events
warm minnow
No
kind veldt
So I skimmed through the new livestream, did they say anything about other conte...
still in there, not the focus of the stream
midnight lotus
So I skimmed through the new livestream, did they say anything about other conte...
they did say that older manhunts will be replayable thru a throwback event or something
warm minnow
We’re getting another rebalancing
alpine gale
why add modifer that nerf u like armour like simple dont use it
hybrid ore
@frosty wadi #td2-general-chat message
frosty wadi
why add modifer that nerf u like armour like simple dont use it
Because they had trade offs
alpine gale
hmm
kind veldt
i dont think you dont get a choice ot NOT have enemy modifiers if you are using the new seasonal modifiers
frosty wadi
```"basically" every single item has been rebalanced.```
Possibly peak??????
hybrid ore
One of the modifiers was a 150% HSD increase, but a body-shot nerf.
kind veldt
want more power, you also get more challenge from what i say
midnight lotus
Possibly peak??????
doubt it
frosty wadi
Same but Im choosing to have hope
midnight lotus
project resolve was arguably a bunch of nothing burger balance
i did not remember the meta shifting
alpine gale
did they say if normal day to day stuff gets u progress towards the season track now are is it only the 6/8 stuff u have to do
kind veldt
will oreo actually get a good talent?
tiny oar
do we know when pts will be aviable ?
midnight lotus
like the response to the rifle buff feedback was "nah"
hybrid ore
frosty wadi
will oreo actually get a good talent?
Hah, good one
kind veldt
do we know when pts will be aviable ?
tomorrow
tiny oar
nice
hybrid ore
Hostiles ones are activated by the game, so the other ones balance it out more, but still leave you strong enough to warrant a balance pass.
alpine gale
the pts should be on downlaod tab tomorrow at 10am uk time mostly day of the pts
hybrid ore
That seems to be the gist, if I'm reading it right.
midnight lotus
also that headshot buff modifier
unless they demolish determined overnight i dont see it ending well
hybrid ore
"Point Blank." is one of the Global Modifiers: "if coyotes, but be outside of that specific range and your damage sucks"
low lily
unless they demolish determined overnight i dont see it ending well
You don't like that close range dmg boost and that 150% hsd modifier???
midnight lotus
"Point Blank." is one of the Global Modifiers: "if coyotes, but be outside of th...
also the one that reflects damage dealt if you shoot them out of range
midnight lotus
You don't like that close range dmg boost and that 150% hsd modifier???
promotes braindead gameplay so eh
they should completely remove determined
hybrid ore
each Passive Modifier tweaks the way the global ones work.
midnight lotus
or properly fix it because the named versions work correctly
candid frigate
Is the 5x bonus xp active this week or next week?
midnight lotus
there is no justification for why determined should stay that way
summer pendant
Can anyone explain that damage range modifier from the stream today and how you can actually tell what the appropriate range for each enemy should be? How do you read that red/yellow/blue on the sights?
raw minnow
Blue was close, yellow mid, red long
hybrid ore
You'd think they would balance almost everything ingame and leave hotshot untouched?`
rigid wedge
oh no they wouldn't
tiny oar
You'd think they would balance almost everything ingame and leave hotshot untouc...
i mean they could
midnight lotus
wouldn't be the first time they lacked foresight
summer pendant
Blue was close, yellow mid, red long
How do you tell whether to move up or back then? I saw all three colors on the sights.
tiny oar
i'll get every item max proficiency during the 5* xp event anyway
raw minnow
There was a line that went with it, it moved depending on who you were ads'd on
spare cove
Hey, any excuse to not rely on Determined is fine by me
tiny oar
How do you tell whether to move up or back then? I saw all three colors on the ...
there is a line telling you how far you are
raw minnow
Why is determined even an issue if people are just using it for leveling?
tiny oar
it trivalize everything
heroic difficulty doesnt matter you oneshot everything
im sure you can even use it for legendary up until chungas
its so stupid
spare cove
I know people are apprehensive, but I'm really interested in next season.
Dare say, excited?
tiny oar
yeah same
summer pendant
I still thought we were doing seasonal characters, forgot they dropped that
hybrid ore
People complained too much without knowing the full story, so they were killed off.
raw minnow
like determined
spare cove
And as expected, the subreddit stream thread has people throwing tantrums over the modifiers
kind veldt
You'd think they would balance almost everything ingame and leave hotshot untouc...
i mean hotshot is not hte problem, determined is i would say
timber hatch
Why is determined even an issue if people are just using it for leveling?
It's used for far more than leveling because it trivializes the game and is FAR stronger than the other talent options.
tiny oar
yeah, you can basically deal 20/30m on anyone every 0.3s
thats just insane
and it require 0 aim
raw minnow
Oh I'm just messin around, I don't care if it gets nerfed to the ground. I've only used that hotshot/determined/headhunter to mess around
kind veldt
Why is determined even an issue if people are just using it for leveling?
if a game has a build that jsut lets you sneeze at everything to instantly delete it, then people wont really like it
still an odd case in coop PVE game still
spare cove
Waiting for the preload to come up
kind veldt
waiting on the patchnotes first
spare cove
I'll be away from this channel once that happens.
I expect a lot of doomposting
kind veldt
i need to complain.... with reasonable intentions
spare cove
As long it's reasonable
But doomposting is substantially different from reasonable complaints
kind veldt
mostly curious about stuff that kinda stinks like sweet dreams and few others
no doubt striker/oreo/elmo got touched down a bit
but more curious about how sweet dreams/mosquito/aegis ended up
spare cove
When those items are the meta, it'd be foolish to not be touched
raw minnow
I can see striker backpack going from 1 to 0.8 or something like that. I think they're going to keep the buffs and nerfs pretty easy
hybrid ore
In the words of Yannick: #td2-general-chat message
ebon steeple
wonder if regulus is on the nerf list
kind veldt
yeah not going to doom post because of strikers and stuff iknow is the strongest right now
spare cove
In the words of Yannick: https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/4898348...
Come on, Rivens. You can't expect a lot of those people to read
kind veldt
more curious about what became good
raw minnow
Same @kind veldt I'm more interested in viability than the nerfs
kind veldt
we know elmo got magazine changed, not gonna cry for that
ebon steeple
ppl were saying the dmg seemed lower
raw minnow
10 less bullets isn't a deal breaker by any means. Could have a slight buff somewhere else
kind veldt
hard to say because modifiers
raw minnow
And the build yeah
hybrid ore
re: changes in the PTS phase 1 and 2: the idea is more to buff up underused/underpowered loot and less about nerfing down, although some stuff will be weakened.
however: most of these changes are more to do with the Season Modifiers than anything else. They appear to be quite OP themselves.
kind veldt
but if somehow tip of the spear gear set became even worse
then i will complain a lot
spare cove
Bird shot, ToTS strongest soldier
rigid wedge
I didn't prepare any builds for this rework :pains:
kind veldt
thats the reasonable intentions part
rigid wedge
ebon steeple
the biggest gut punch with nerfs is our expertise investment into these things
spare cove
thats the reasonable intentions part
Yeah, and also because you're a patriot for Tip of The Spear.
A true patriot
tiny oar
i really cant fin the last puppeteer coms and its killing me
kind veldt
oh
kind veldt
thanks for the link
hybrid ore
Only works for the applier
Let's be honest: that always should've been the case.
raw minnow
Oh yeah, crazy utility everywhere @hybrid ore
hybrid ore
Ookay Mosquito now is....okay it's something.
kind veldt
dang thats a crazy gear set
raw minnow
Striker going from 1 to 0.85 on backpack and that's the only change
kind veldt
||totally not based on what made once, kinda||
raw minnow
Most gearsets getting buffs
rigid wedge
Elmo and Ouro got nerfed but how bad is the nerf..
hybrid ore
new Mosquito:
Hitting an enemy applies a stack. Stacks are shared between players. At 5 stacks, the enemy will forcefully target the last player to apply a stack for 5s **and take 40% more damage to armor. (from all sources)**. Stacks deplete every 5s. Activating the effect on an enemy will remove all stacks from other enemies.
kind veldt
it's a tank sidearm
hybrid ore
** is the change* *
raw minnow
Elmo -5 crit damage, -5 crit chance, -10 weapon handling, -10 rounds
Those are from the attachments
raw minnow
Ouro -10.4% ROF, -10 rounds
rigid wedge
That does hurt it but is it enough to kill it entirely?
kind veldt
exotic FAL, they actually did it
frosty wadi
Elmo -5 crit damage, -5 crit chance, -10 weapon handling, -10 rounds
Wait did elmo get nerfed?
kind veldt
yeah
raw minnow
Yep
frosty wadi
YEAAAAAH BABY
kind veldt
just a bit, nothing to cry over
rigid wedge
Wait did elmo get nerfed?
Yeah along with ouro
frosty wadi
Yeah along with ouro
Balling
raw minnow
Ceska 1 piece getting changed from 10 to 6.5 crit chance
frosty wadi
Devs actually cooking????
frosty wadi
Ceska 1 piece getting changed from 10 to 6.5 crit chance
I retract my statement
rigid wedge
they were not but alright
hybrid ore
Someone mind linking me the full patch notes? My browser is being uncooperative.
raw minnow
There's multiple
frosty wadi
Yes please someone
raw minnow
spare cove
I expect people to be very angry at patch notes
kind veldt
nerfing AK is a weird one
raw minnow
A lot of buffs to attachments makes high end better
frosty wadi
Im concerned now
raw minnow
Obliterate going from 25 to 17 stacks. Doesn't seem to be a determined, headhunter or hotshot change at all
kind veldt
AKM on rifle category? i'm a crazy or they meant merciless?
lyric ferry
So the changes to Ouro makes it pretty much a 45 ACP High End Vector almost lol
raw minnow
And with attachment buffs, high end might be better with the right talent
kind veldt
weird ot nerf MDR when it was bottom of the barrel lately
stray bronze
Ouro -10.4% ROF, -10 rounds
Ouro got nerfed are you kidding..
spare cove
It was meta
raw minnow
Scorpio nerf too
spare cove
As is the case with patch notes, I expect undocumented changes
lyric ferry
I mean this is not final so letz's see what happens
frosty wadi
Dude wtf
kind veldt
oof thats a big hit to super 90
rigid wedge
Scorpio nerf too
pvp only
frosty wadi
They did not in fact cook
spare cove
I knew Blinder would get angry lol
midnight lotus
i think the striker nerf is good
frosty wadi
Wtf is with this new range fetish
kind veldt
weird changes to range a lot on things
frosty wadi
also bro that chameleon buff
Whats the cham buff
midnight lotus
the patchnote was going so well
stray bronze
i think the striker nerf is good
0.85 percent.. eh.. could have been 0.60..
midnight lotus
Whats the cham buff
takes 10 less shots to proc body and leg buff
frosty wadi
Tbf thats okay I guess but really stupid
midnight lotus
no mod buff too
kind veldt
some really really weird takes on shotguns
midnight lotus
this means nothing in the grand scheme of things
timber hatch
They buffed the FAMAS and f2000, they are just pulling random levers without ANY understanding....
spare cove
I guess it means nothing unless they massively rework the Cham
frosty wadi
This season might be what starts the outrage, I can feel it brewing in my bones
hybrid ore
"please read the entire post instead of doom speaking"
kind veldt
oh wow they kept hte optimal range buff on the AR magazine, the yare crazy
midnight lotus
They buffed the FAMAS and f2000, they are just pulling random levers without ANY...
thats called throwing random shit at the wall and see what sticks
spare cove
Heh, you really hate those devs, huh?
frosty wadi
Yes
timber hatch
I just wish they had any reasonable idea of what they are doing....
spare cove
I just wish they had any reasonable idea of what they are doing....
Depends what you define reasonable
rigid wedge
Well you vent all your frustrations when the PTS come out
hybrid ore
People like to scream at the wall when any change hits, no matter how major or minor.
Doesn't matter if it's a deserved nerf on an OP gun (Ouro) or a seemingly confusing one like MDR.
rigid wedge
They took an sledgehammer to striker builds
spare cove
People like to scream at the wall when any change hits, no matter how major or m...
Tale old as time
iron gust
They clearly want to balance DPS builds with the nego umbra HB buffs and the striker nerf
kind veldt
hey claws out got a buff
rigid wedge
backfire and eb got buffed which is great tbh
hybrid ore
@rigid wedge Unless they're now actively awful, that's not really true is it.
raw minnow
There's more that goes into striker nerf with ceska, ouro and elmo nerf
midnight lotus
People like to scream at the wall when any change hits, no matter how major or m...
ouro had it coming
full zinc
backfire and eb got buffed which is great tbh
oh gawd... backfire builds incoming 👴
raw minnow
Striker losing 15% isn't a big deal
midnight lotus
the ksg buff is insane tho
kind veldt
i mean while range is being a big part of the things, you are not going to convince me so easily that i should slap a 50% optmimal range magazine on my AR
rigid wedge
<@214123388812263424> Unless they're now actively awful, that's not really true ...
Idk we have yet to see but it might no longer be meta
or other builds will take the reigns
midnight lotus
who made this chart
hybrid ore
Exactly. "we have yet to see".
So instead of lying and stirring up anger in people, WAIT.
stray bronze
AA12 got buffed..
spare cove
Idk we have yet to see but it might no longer be meta
I think I'll be happy to not feel deadweight without Strikers
dusk trench
rip sledgehammer eh
spare cove
who made this chart
An overworked and underpaid graphic designer
rigid wedge
I think I'll be happy to not feel deadweight without Strikers
Now I can feel deadweight now 😭
midnight lotus
An overworked and underpaid graphic designer
idk if we have rules against nerd emoji but eh
a lot of these buffs are really questionable
stray bronze
Now I can feel deadweight now 😭
Me too.
midnight lotus
i wanna hope that they take the feedback and tune the numbers
but given what they did with tots thats just omega cope
kind veldt
i mean they made super 90 a big downgrade to six12 even more
stray bronze
a lot of these buffs are really questionable
My question is M1928 got buffed but Tommy Gun's damage is now LOWER?
kind veldt
My question is M1928 got buffed but Tommy Gun's damage is now LOWER?
100 extra ROF
midnight lotus
i mean they made super 90 a big downgrade to six12 even more
it looks good at first glance and becomes progressively worse when you read it
spare cove
All those buffs and nerfs means nothing to me until I try them in PTS tomorrow
ebon steeple
i dont understand scorpio nerf
midnight lotus
My question is M1928 got buffed but Tommy Gun's damage is now LOWER?
2 different dynamics,1 slow firing high damage and 1 lower damage high rof
hybrid ore
Overall these changes seem pretty solid for the underpowered stuff, whist helping shift the meta away from the 1 (and variations) build everyone was playing before.
and a reminder: these are based on the Season with those specific Modifiers, so that does sound quite a lot like we're potentially getting more alterations the following Season, if they follow suit.
rigid wedge
i dont understand scorpio nerf
PVP only nerfs it looks like
spare cove
i dont understand scorpio nerf
PvP only nerf
midnight lotus
multiply the damage and the rof for an idea of their dps
timber hatch
i dont understand scorpio nerf
It's one of the top 3 weapons in the game, it's outrageously strong right now
stray bronze
2 different dynamics,1 slow firing high damage and 1 lower damage high rof
Eh. Fair. The Tommy Gun is faster.
ebon steeple
It's one of the top 3 weapons in the game, it's outrageously strong right now
i mean i dont understand how its nerfed
rigid wedge
Eh. Fair. The Tommy Gun is faster.
I like my tommy gun
kind veldt
Overall these changes seem pretty solid for the underpowered stuff, whist helpin...
i mean, would you really say that the super 90 was better than six 12 ?
rigid wedge
It needs an exotic dammit
hybrid ore
It's not even really a "nerf" exactly, since that implies unfair and not just lowered power.
It's entirely justified.
stray bronze
I like my tommy gun
"Oh George not the livestock."
raw minnow
Catharsis buff is interesting. That was so good already
ebon steeple
I like my tommy gun
buffed at the same time a new skin for it in store tinfoil hat moment
hybrid ore
i mean, would you really say that the super 90 was better than six 12 ?
I'd say the super 90 is more fun to use, so I'll use that.
spare cove
I'd say the super 90 is more fun to use, so I'll use that.
Same
They can take Super 90 from my cold, dead hands
lyric ferry
Oh wow M249 from 550 RPM to 850
kind veldt
I'd say the super 90 is more fun to use, so I'll use that.
no offense but i was talking about stats, because i already use the super90 despite being worse, so i dont see this as being really fair
forest bay
Division 2 players on their way to play the shit out of a new event and blame th...
It's completely boring and nothing is really fun.
hybrid ore
So Backfire's bonus crit got doubled and the counter needed to max it out got halved.
I smell my old weird build returning!
midnight lotus
I'd say the super 90 is more fun to use, so I'll use that.
its cool to enjoy a weapon but when its strictly made to be inferior to another then thats just a very weird design choice
spare cove
It's completely boring and nothing is really fun.
You can always leave the game
midnight lotus
i use crappy weapons all the time
rigid wedge
So Backfire's bonus crit got doubled and the counter needed to max it out got ha...
Riven's Weird Build Video when
ebon steeple
So Backfire's bonus crit got doubled and the counter needed to max it out got ha...
same end result buff just twice as fast to build up
midnight lotus
i have 5 chameleons in my stash
cyan narwhal
d50 nerfed a little
rigid wedge
d50 nerfed a little
eh
dusk trench
Aces applying to rifle is gonna be fun
rigid wedge
Other pistols needed the spotlight
cyan narwhal
magnum is other hand buffed
midnight lotus
why did they nerf AK tho
hybrid ore
Riven's Weird Build Video when
I shared it once and got angry PM's.
midnight lotus
ive never seen anyone use AK nor is it used in any top DPS setups
kind veldt
and man breaking point needs a looot more than just backpack buff
rigid wedge
I shared it once and got angry PM's.
o h
midnight lotus
and man breaking point needs a looot more than just backpack buff
my take is that they double the duration at base
10 seconds is really mid
hybrid ore
Not every gun is going to be the absolute peak of strength. If every gun is the same, then there's no point in having 8 variations of everything.
which is another matter entirely but MSV can't remove them at this point, it's far too late.
midnight lotus
might as well stack strikers with a shotgun and use your rifle
kind veldt
if they did, they dont appear to say it
midnight lotus
you would unironically get more outta it
grand swan
It's completely boring and nothing is really fun.
That's why golden bullet exists 🥚
ebon steeple
if i wanna find out the new rpm number for oreo do i subtract 10.4% from my current value with strikers or do i subtract from base then add strikers buff
midnight lotus
Not every gun is going to be the absolute peak of strength. If every gun is the ...
i get that but then you cant just make one weapon inferior to another in every possible way
kind veldt
Not every gun is going to be the absolute peak of strength. If every gun is the ...
yeah but they have 3 semi auto shotguns, and just nerfed them all and made the one that had more damage for slower reload to have lesser damage for slower reload
lyric ferry
Seeing that the 45 ACP Vector now has 50 rounds with the extended mag and almost the same ROF of Ouro would porbably make it better at the end
hybrid ore
If you say "inferior in every way" again I win $5.
midnight lotus
If you say "inferior in every way" again I win $5.
ksg vs m870
grand swan
If you say "inferior in every way" again I win $5.
Inferior in every way
hybrid ore
ksg vs m870
Totally different shotgun types, yes?
ebon steeple
Seeing that the 45 ACP Vector now has 50 rounds with the extended mag and almost...
i highly doubt 10% nerf is gonna bring the rof down to the high end vectors
grand swan
🥜
hybrid ore
okay, let's compare the g28 and model 700, they're both MMR's
raw minnow
It's losing what, ~160 ROF?
midnight lotus
Totally different shotgun types, yes?
bigger mag,faster reload speed,higher base damage,higher range with exactly 5 less rpm
raw minnow
Still gonna be ~1440 ROF
midnight lotus
if the m870 isn't inferior then idk what it is
kind veldt
Totally different shotgun types, yes?
no? both are the pump actions shotguns
grand swan
Can I get a egg reaction
forest bay
That's why golden bullet exists 🥚
I haven't tried Golden Bullet and I've seen several people rave about it so far so I'll see if it's as fun as they say or not.
grand swan
I haven't tried Golden Bullet and I've seen several people rave about it so far ...
It is
hybrid ore
Can I get a egg reaction
This isn't reddit.
frosty wadi
Okay so, these balancing changes are very weird to say the least
grand swan
Aw man
kind veldt
i mean there are more good than bad
raw minnow
Ton more good than bad
grand swan
Why did you remove the egg reaction
midnight lotus
infact just to make it more balanced and fit your "same weapon type" criteria
SPAS vs m870
spas has 90k more base damage,3 more rounds,and 5m more range than m870
frosty wadi
i mean there are more good than bad
Aces can use rifles now so thats all the matters, nothing else, only aces
hybrid ore
Yannick totally called this btw.
He said, "don't just read a few entries, go through the entire thing and look at it at alongside the modifiers"
raw minnow
I'd love to have table versions of those visuals to actually just calculate the new values of damage per mag and damage per minute
hybrid ore
"why is this specific shotgun better than this one". Welcome to div2, we have shirts and jackets but can't separate them anymore because Kelso glued them all together for a prank.
kind veldt
yeah i'm reading the whole thing
raw minnow
I think modifiers are hard to quantify in text form since they're kinda nuanced. To me that's getting into the gameplay and feeling it out
midnight lotus
its a first tasting sure but this does not look like a well thought out balance check
frosty wadi
I will say tho, they somehow made even less interesting new gear
grand swan
"why is this specific shotgun better than this one". Welcome to div2, we have sh...
Kelso moment
spare cove
I think modifiers are hard to quantify in text form since they're kinda nuanced....
Exactly
hybrid ore
It's also very important to note about Modifiers, than they don't exist in a vacuum.
The global ones are, well, modified by the passive ones, and the hostile ones are always active.
unique bramble
Ok, the new PTS is looking promising, looks like the devs are trying to turn div2 back to the roots of div1 some rifles being automatic, new special skill system. But idk, let's see how it will be.
frosty wadi
Wait some rifles are automatic now???
grand swan
Ok, the new PTS is looking promising, looks like the devs are trying to turn div...
Wait fr???
kind veldt
It's also very important to note about Modifiers, than they don't exist in a vac...
thing is, i really dont expect them change a lot of shotguns numbers for the next season just because of hte modifier
kind veldt
Wait some rifles are automatic now???
where did you see that?
azure shore
As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:
ACR
UIC15
The Ravenous
M1A
Lightweight M4
LVOA-C
MDR
Resolute Mk47
Mk17
SIG 716
USC
MMR’s:
G28
Mk20
SVD
hybrid ore
wait, which m1a
spare cove
Please, please don't tell me LVOA and LWM4 are gonna be meta.
I don't wanna go through that hell again
unique bramble
Check the Trello board guys, it's all there.
frosty wadi
As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:
...
YEAH BABY WOOOOO
azure shore
wait, which m1a
doesn't give any more than that
raw minnow
Could be all variants?
hybrid ore
okay so its almost certainly the cqb/socom then
frosty wadi
Lvoa-c full auto lets gooooooo
lyric ferry
Woah a fully atuomatic Ravenous? dayyyum
midnight lotus
As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:
...
rare W
we are all going back to div1
frosty wadi
Also full auto rifles is huge for Aces and Eights
hybrid ore
my socom is finally going to get some love!
unique bramble
Bro they are trying to turn the mosquito into a new sledgehammer
elfin hazel
wtf 3 part patch notes
raw minnow
Aggro mosquito users
rigid wedge
As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:
...
LET THEM COOK
raw minnow
That's the new shield/pistol build
kind veldt
As of TU22, the following Rifles and MMR's will become fully automatic:
Rifles:
...
honestly not finding that at any of the links, which one has that?
warm minnow
Guys im pretty sure it doesn’t have the 850 rpm from d1
hybrid ore
PTS download if you have the old thing: 19gb.
if you don't: 97gb.
brace your data-caps.
frosty wadi
Project resolve 2 finally came
elfin hazel
strikers nerf 
heavy ocean
full auto M4 lightweight oooo
azure shore
honestly not finding that at any of the links, which one has that?
Seasons 2.0 one
heavy ocean
and lvoac
lyric ferry
But they still be Rifles I assume
heavy ocean
ye
kind veldt
Seasons 2.0 one
i swear that got updated after i read it
azure shore
PTS download if you have the old thing: 19gb.
if you don't: 97gb.
brace your dat...
I envy pc users for getting to test drive these changes
spare cove
full auto M4 lightweight oooo
As long its not meta
raw minnow
I'm guessing the kick on full auto rifles is gonna be insane no?
spare cove
I don't wanna go through that hell I had in Div 1, ever again
lyric ferry
I'm guessing the kick on full auto rifles is gonna be insane no?
That's what I was thinking
kind veldt
maybe breakpoint will be good then?
hybrid ore
I'm in Australia, my download is going to be done about halfway through the 5x XP weekend.
kind veldt
oh right delayed reaction
midnight lotus
I'm guessing the kick on full auto rifles is gonna be insane no?
tried an autoclick macro before and yea the kick is insane
kind veldt
but htey gave the base 1886 extra rounds in the magazine
midnight lotus
its most likely not gonna be meta
but for the sake of nostalgia we're here
the king has returned
unique bramble
Wait, they're buffing bullet king again 👀
spare cove
but for the sake of nostalgia we're here
Well, yeah. But you know, Meta rules all. And if they're not meta, they're inherently garbage
warm minnow
tried an autoclick macro before and yea the kick is insane
Omega suppressors give +40% stability tho
midnight lotus
they got like a what,~8% buff?
rigid wedge
Wait, they're buffing bullet king again 👀
Yep
unique bramble
the king has returned
Where is the Rambo outfit for this game
midnight lotus
Well, yeah. But you know, Meta rules all. And if they're not meta, they're inher...
thats a very interesting way to justify bad balancing but ok
kind veldt
i mean attachments overall got a heft buff
frosty wadi
Well, I think these patch notes are good
elfin hazel
Well, yeah. But you know, Meta rules all. And if they're not meta, they're inher...
YUPYUPYUPYUP
midnight lotus
Where is the Rambo outfit for this game
get a tank top and wear a heavy vest
hybrid ore
Well, yeah. But you know, Meta rules all. And if they're not meta, they're inher...
Schrodinger's meta: everything needs to be better than everything else.
raw minnow
But nothing can be too good
lyric ferry
Okay I'm confused...since when is the AKM a rifle with 400 RPM?
warm minnow
No clue
elfin hazel
honestly I'm just skimmng through these patch notes and theres so much changed that I'm going to have no strong opinion on this until the update comes out because holy
midnight lotus
Okay I'm confused...since when is the AKM a rifle with 400 RPM?
probably an oversight
warm minnow
Probably replace since mil/bm akm is better
midnight lotus
which other rifle starts with an A
dusk trench
Seems like Thorn is gonna be pretty damn good going forward huh?
frosty wadi
honestly I'm just skimmng through these patch notes and theres so much changed t...
Full auto lvoa came down from the heavens
raw minnow
ACR?
hybrid ore
Drib if you're overwhelmed now, just remember that there's 2 phases of this PTS.
warm minnow
Acr ss
midnight lotus
Full auto lvoa came down from the heavens
tbf its bait since they have 380rpm
unique bramble
I'm surprised they nerfed ouroboros just now. I guess it will be just a little more powerful vector than a high end version.
kind veldt
i mean
elfin hazel
Full auto lvoa came down from the heavens
I don't care about div1 nostalgia so this means nothing to me
frosty wadi
tbf its bait since they have 380rpm
I mean, isn’t that its current max rpm?
azure shore
looking at the changes - i might have to pull out my Heartbreaker/Striker/Ninja once again
kind veldt
i'm baffled with the G28 full auto
hybrid ore
I'm surprised they nerfed ouroboros just now. I guess it will be just a little m...
Surprised? That thing could kill The Rock in a movie starring The Rock.
warm minnow
I'm surprised they nerfed ouroboros just now. I guess it will be just a little m...
Its not cuz the damage buffs the he vector can run now
kind veldt
when that weapon problem was struggling with being able to hit anything after the first shot
midnight lotus
why did they nerf .308
lyric ferry
I'm surprised they nerfed ouroboros just now. I guess it will be just a little m...
Think so too....It was good with you Ouro haha
midnight lotus
its like the weakest bolt action MMR
frosty wadi
I don't care about div1 nostalgia so this means nothing to me
I don’t have div 1 nostalgia Im just obsessed with the lvoa as a gun
midnight lotus
no redeeming quality whatsoever
warm minnow
Yeah oreo nerf
rigid wedge
I stay winning this patch
pains
hybrid ore
@reef reef hey Aspect if you're awake. Backfire buff. We won.
midnight lotus
wait what
silk glen
I don't understand most of the nerfs and buffs. Just, why? I don't think there were any glaring issues, why fix it if it's not broken?
lyric ferry
Hey at least now I need to find something new to use
raw minnow
Well when it's the smg to use regardless if the talent isn't great that's kinda an issue
unique bramble
Surprised? That thing could kill The Rock in a movie starring The Rock.
Of course I'm surprised, when something is broken (either if it is a glitch or if it really meant to be overpowered) they take months to change.
elfin hazel
glory to full highend 🫡
midnight lotus
the entire mmr section is just a regression of what resolve did
kind veldt
SR-1 also had the shortest reign as MMR
midnight lotus
why the .308 nerf
warm minnow
I don't understand most of the nerfs and buffs. Just, why? I don't think there w...
They’re buffing alot of underutilized stuff aswell
hybrid ore
Of course I'm surprised, when something is broken (either if it is a glitch or i...
MSV do not quick react to anything. They are a slow, old old old company.
and we love them for it
midnight lotus
They’re buffing alot of underutilized stuff aswell
also nerfing a bunch of random stuff
like its just an incredibly mixed bag
some of these buffs are brilliant and some others are just tone deaf
kind veldt
oh yeah just ot know i'm not crazy, did they touch determined at all?
frosty wadi
Anyways this is a fantastic and very healthy update, this did everything Ive always wanted (except for the new gear being forgettable)
spare cove
All patch notes are mixed bags
silk glen
Like nerfing Grupo and Ceska? That shit has been fine for years
hybrid ore
It should be noted that the nerfs are done via the stat people in-house. They know what people are using.
lyric ferry
Famas looks like it will be crazy again since almost nothing changed for it
midnight lotus
yea like how they know what they're doing when they "reworked" tots
midnight lotus
Famas looks like it will be crazy again since almost nothing changed for it
they buffed the famas lmao
elfin hazel
tots was expected honestly
hybrid ore
Elmo has been perceived as OP for yonks now, of course it was going to get a tweak.
its still good though.
midnight lotus
It was just overrated
yea elmo nerf feels more like its targeted towards pvp
lyric ferry
they buffed the famas lmao
Even better haha
ebon steeple
I feel like the elmo nerf is kinda unfortunate now
i think its good cuz its an easy access weapon the EB should be stronger than it for being a raid weapon
stray bronze
They buffed attachments a lot but a a lot of nerfs are questionable.
midnight lotus
spec weapons hit like noodle
warm minnow
i think its good cuz its an easy access weapon the EB should be stronger than it...
EB was a better gun in terms of dps tho
stray bronze
EB was a better gun in terms of dps tho
And now is even better!
midnight lotus
also how is it that tots does not buff the draw speed of spec weapons
frosty wadi
EB was a better gun in terms of dps tho
EB bout to become a menace
ebon steeple
im pretty sure ppl said they were even after the resolve changes
midnight lotus
and then they look at it and said "time to murder it"
warm minnow
Nah
kind veldt
need to double check if htey really didnt change sweet dreams
frosty wadi
im pretty sure ppl said they were even after the resolve changes
This is just better resolve
elfin hazel
I feel like the only tots builds I saw were just another sniper build and you didnt even use the tac50 in any of them its supposed to be more focused toward the specs themselves rather than using it as a stepping stone
stray bronze
Also D50 got nerfed...
rigid wedge
yeah it's insane
ebon steeple
only ppl that use big horn are pvp players tho
rigid wedge
I liked using bighorn in PVE.
lyric ferry
The change to the attachment for Iron lung will make it even more beastly
raw minnow
need to double check if htey really didnt change sweet dreams
No changes to the gun or talent
kind veldt
only ppl that use big horn are pvp players tho
hello, PVE player here
well sweet dreams got buffed because spas got buffed, still the problem was the talent mostly
ebon steeple
so where would yall rank the new fal among the exotic ARs?
kind veldt
needs hands to firmly say it
grand swan
so where would yall rank the new fal among the exotic ARs?
SSS
kind veldt
since htey just nerfed the FAL a bit
stray bronze
Does that mean Pest is gonna also be a meance or no?
grand swan
Does that mean Pest is gonna also be a meance or no?
No
midnight lotus
I feel like the only tots builds I saw were just another sniper build and you di...
its a problem with the spec weapons being awful that they also never touched on
kind veldt
to touch specs would mean touching speciazliations
ebon steeple
is PTS tomorrow or saturday?
kind veldt
and i dont think we are getting that in couple of years at least
stray bronze
i meant it's gonna get more rof
It's 805.. Pest it's 605..
rigid wedge
Does that mean Pest is gonna also be a meance or no?
That is the one LMG you chose that got nothing
hybrid ore
its a problem with the spec weapons being awful that they also never touched on
Nope, they said just this stream that they are still looking into a spec rework. Might take a while but it's deinfitely on the way.
kind veldt
assuming something else doesnt derail developtment again
rigid wedge
Bluescreen, Iron Lung and Bullet King all got buffs
grand swan
The new gear set + the new FAL = OP mixup
hybrid ore
re, spec rework: "the initial version wasn't strong enough, so we started over with that in mind".
midnight lotus
like flamethrower is bad if its not GE season
HGL bad if its not GE season
minigun bad cuz strikers and also outdated
tac50 does not matter because of boss debuff and other snipers mobbing well enough
the crossbow is arguably the best spec weapon because it instantly breaks armor plates\
midnight lotus
Nope, they said just this stream that they are still looking into a spec rework....
we'll wait to see then
kind veldt
It's 805.. Pest it's 605..
didnt the M249 get a huge rof buff?
lyric ferry
didnt the M249 get a huge rof buff?
850 RPM yeah
kind veldt
850 is a lot for an LMG
lyric ferry
Yeah
kind veldt
the whole six12 vs super90 stuff is still pissing me off really
lyric ferry
Well see if they do any changed...this is all not final let's see if they listen to feedback
gloomy pewter
Sokolov got a debuf on crit chance
midnight lotus
the whole six12 vs super90 stuff is still pissing me off really
the chart is pissing me off tbh
the talent buffs n all seem good
unique bramble
The weapons nerf and buff only affects high-end or the exotics version as well?
midnight lotus
the weapon balancing is just
midnight lotus
The weapons nerf and buff only affects high-end or the exotics version as well?
apparently they will affect the exotic counterpart
chameleon randomly getting a nerf is WILD
because they nerfed vector
hybrid ore
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet: #news-and-announcements message
unique bramble
Damn, I like the scorpio, it's damage (base weapon nerf) and talent are being nerfed
grand swan
because they nerfed vector
Not my boy vector 😭
midnight lotus
Damn, I like the scorpio, it's damage (base weapon nerf) and talent are being ne...
scorpio nerf is justified
the base nerf is ehhhh
lyric ferry
The good thing for me is that now I'm forced to play a different weapon and try something new so that's good actually
grand swan
The new FAL and gearset looks delicious to mix
kind veldt
i was already using off meta things and they kinda got pooped on
midnight lotus
The good thing for me is that now I'm forced to play a different weapon and try ...
you can probably just multiply the base damage with fire rate to crunch the dps
hybrid ore
Every single time I read vector, my brain corrects it to Vectis, and I wonder how my sniper got in the smg slot.
midnight lotus
i was already using off meta things and they kinda got pooped on
.308 nerf💀
spare cove
Yeah, I'm interested to use the exotic FAL and the new gear set
midnight lotus
Every single time I read vector, my brain corrects it to Vectis, and I wonder ho...
eido meta died get back to 2020
grand swan
Every single time I read vector, my brain corrects it to Vectis, and I wonder ho...
Vectis vectaris
lyric ferry
you can probably just multiply the base damage with fire rate to crunch the dps
Maybe yeah
unique bramble
Yeah, I'm interested to use the exotic FAL and the new gear set
It seems to pair well with nego
hybrid ore
eido meta died get back to 2020
I paid for 6 forma, imma use the whole 6 forma!
lyric ferry
Well see when it fully comes out how it's gonna stay I guess haha
dusk trench
I guess most people will be going with All Out for the active modifier, though I guess Prime Time might see utility in like Legendary or something
rigid wedge
My biggest disappointment is Overlord receiving no changes and no hint of rework or deletion
midnight lotus
My biggest disappointment is Overlord receiving no changes and no hint of rework...
at least its a ridiculously strong shotgun with a big mag now
ebon steeple
The good thing for me is that now I'm forced to play a different weapon and try ...
ive never understood that aurgument, you dont have to be a meta player. After resolve i expertised 20 a bunch of random non meta things like the chamoleon
spare cove
My biggest disappointment is Overlord receiving no changes and no hint of rework...
Deleting an Exotic seems like a bad idea
rigid wedge
at least its a ridiculously strong shotgun with a big mag now
Yeah but the talent is useless
unique bramble
My biggest disappointment is Overlord receiving no changes and no hint of rework...
Even mosquito did receive a change
midnight lotus
Yeah but the talent is useless
true but thats just the MO now,nothing we can do other than cry about it
dusk trench
I guess most people will be going with All Out for the active modifier, though I...
Reversal could probably be nice for those who prefer short range but wants buffs from long range modifiers or vice versa
ebon steeple
Even mosquito did receive a change <:petter:574985790304550938>
still just looks like a raid weapon
rigid wedge
Even mosquito did receive a change <:petter:574985790304550938>
I couldn't even figure out the talent
rigid wedge
Deleting an Exotic seems like a bad idea
Well if it gets deleted I wouldn't miss it
midnight lotus
Deleting an Exotic seems like a bad idea
when its just flat out bloat then honestly it seems like so
or reuse the model n rework the talent,thats also "deletion" of said talent from the game
rigid wedge
It's an cool shotgun but that's about it
midnight lotus
pvp people does anyone use overlord
lyric ferry
ive never understood that aurgument, you dont have to be a meta player. After re...
I get ya....I was just lazy playing something new after playing the same builds...but this makes move my butt for once haha
midnight lotus
i like how you would have 0 point in 80% of discussion and said ok
unique bramble
They nerfed sledgehammer, now only you receive the 30% DMG bonus. And they buffed mosquito for... No reason??
midnight lotus
They nerfed sledgehammer, now only you receive the 30% DMG bonus. And they buffe...
mosquito sucks it deserves a buff
tho idk the buff seems confusing
maybe some minmaxers will find a use
spare cove
i like how you would have 0 point in 80% of discussion and said ok
Because I'm not gonna agree on deleting an Exotic
plush jay
Like the nerfs 👍🏻 game is too easy anyway lol
grand swan
unique bramble
mosquito sucks it deserves a buff
Receiving a buff by nerfing the other talent.
kind veldt
tho idk the buff seems confusing
It has free perfect sledghammer when you shoot people
Thats the buff they gave it kinda
midnight lotus
i see,though it seems finnicky to use tbh
will have to try it out
kind veldt
You just need to hit someone 5 times and it draws aggro and makes them take 40% armor damage
unique bramble
Thats the buff they gave it kinda
Basically they gave money to the poor, by stealing your wallet if you know what I mean
ebon steeple
wow the killer buff, dark winter gonna be crazy now
grand swan
wow the killer buff, dark winter gonna be crazy now
Hunter's fury + dark winter is gonna get spicy
hybrid ore
Basically they gave money to the poor, by stealing your wallet if you know what ...
Okay drama factory.
tropic compass
Any good announcements i missed out on?
warm minnow
Oh @timber hatch how does one calculate measured?
midnight lotus
ranger is such a confusing talent im ngl
warm minnow
Cuz instead of wep dmg its now twd
spare cove
Any good announcements i missed out on?
Seasonal Characters are no more
midnight lotus
like you get more range the farther you are from something
but you usually wont attack enemies at a range where it would become viable
raw minnow
Can I post a picture of the AR new chart?
hybrid ore
I swear some of the comments on this server come across as an am-dram student trying for their first monologue.
dull cypress
Ravenous becoming fully automatic is NUTS
hybrid ore
fun fact: if you do the song from mulan, the teacher can legally shoot you.
timber hatch
Oh <@327978157653360640> how does one calculate measured?
Calculate each half individually, then average those two
ebon steeple
Ravenous becoming fully automatic is NUTS
i kept asking in todays stream for a hold to fire setting, but atleast this is something
grand swan
fun fact: if you do the song from mulan, the teacher can legally shoot you.
WHAT LOL
rigid wedge
fun fact: if you do the song from mulan, the teacher can legally shoot you.
oh no
dull cypress
i kept asking in todays stream for a hold to fire setting, but atleast this is s...
yeah would have been a sweet QOL balance thing but i guess it’s a compromise
tropic compass
Ravenous becoming fully automatic is NUTS
Really??!
warm minnow
Calculate each half individually, then average those two
I see ty
timber hatch
Ravenous becoming fully automatic is NUTS
Wait what?
rigid wedge
What song from Mulan that makes an teacher pull out an F I R E A R M and shoots you
ebon steeple
yeah a bunch of rifles are automatic now, even the m1a
tiny oar
fun fact: if you do the song from mulan, the teacher can legally shoot you.
imma do it
warm minnow
Wait what?
Yeah rav is full auto now
spare cove
Wait what?
A selection of rifles have become automatic
hybrid ore
The "i want more out of life" one, you know, that same song in every disney movie from before 2001.
replaced when Frozen changed it to "i want you to have less out of life"
tropic compass
Yeah rav is full auto now
Time to retire my eagle bearer if it's actually good
hybrid ore
Okay I've clearly been awake for too long, y'all play nice now. And chill on the doom-speak for a bit, give it time to breathe.
midnight lotus
Wait what?
they basically shoot full auto when you hold down the left mouse
there's a bunch of rifles on that list
rigid wedge
Okay I've clearly been awake for too long, y'all play nice now. And chill on the...
Goodnight and Good luck.
midnight lotus
essentially you can achieve the theoretical peak dps of a weapon without breaking your finger
rigid wedge
The "i want more out of life" one, you know, that same song in every disney movi...
never heard of it
I only heard Mulan because of Kingdom Hearts 2
timber hatch
they basically shoot full auto when you hold down the left mouse
That's going to be huge for console players since the Rav fire rate is buggy as hell
unique bramble
Yeah rav is full auto now
Looks like my SC and Ravenous one shot build is gonna wreck some players on DZ.
midnight lotus
im so ready for umbra lvoac
warm minnow
xd
tiny oar
i'll make a man out of you was banger
midnight lotus
lvoac going full auto is proof that the black tusk dismantled the ATF
tropic compass
So I deconstructed a god rolled LWM4 with strained yesterday for no reason 😐
warm minnow
lvoac going full auto is proof that the black tusk dismantled the ATF
Maybe the black tusk were the real good guys after all
midnight lotus
So I deconstructed a god rolled LWM4 with strained yesterday for no reason 😐
sacrificial lamb
i knew hoarding was a good idea
warm minnow
So I deconstructed a god rolled LWM4 with strained yesterday for no reason 😐
Just get another xd
midnight lotus
i really hope they reconsider the whole m870 thing
tropic compass
sacrificial lamb
At least I have my all gold dps build with the m1a
midnight lotus
it should be stronger than both ksg and spas imo
warm minnow
At least I have my all gold dps build with the m1a
Nah we must let it happen
warm minnow
Let it become a canon event
kind veldt
Well more gearsets like true patriots, tips, rigger deserved a second look, and some other exotics like Sweet dreams
tropic compass
Just get another xd
Ok I'll keep running paradise lost till I get another
unique bramble
lvoac going full auto is proof that the black tusk dismantled the ATF
That might be Keener like: hey agent, I got an automatic lvoac from the Brooklyn area of div1, it's all yours now.
midnight lotus
That might be Keener like: hey agent, I got an automatic lvoac from the Brooklyn...
he also cut the fire rate in half like the snake he is
but hey nice trinket ig
unique bramble
he also cut the fire rate in half like the snake he is
Fair enough, we have killed like 15 of his rogues already.
spare cove
Is FAL still 20 base mag?
midnight lotus
yknow what good point
spare cove
Well, I guess the new exotic FAL looks enticing
midnight lotus
59k at 650rpm vs 57k at 700rpm
thhe 40 round thing irks me but eh its alright
a cool antique rifle
spare cove
There are worse things than 40 round mags
kind veldt
There are worse things than 40 round mags
In this game so far, not many
unique bramble
There are worse things than 40 round mags
Like a 20 mag vector
kind veldt
Specially for full auto weapons
spare cove
In this game so far, not many
I know, I was trolling:P
midnight lotus
Like a 20 mag vector
tbf its still 40 with an extended mag
and for the longest time it was one of the highest dps smg
unique bramble
tbf its still 40 with an extended mag
Why have 40 when can have 53 with the other vectors.
midnight lotus
i mean like i said
it was one of the highest burst dps smg before
the order originally was 9mm>45>tac
which is nonsensical why would a 9mm do more than 45 but whatever its fine
now its about to be tac>9mm>45
as of current patch its tac>45>9mm
midnight lotus
is it a list of top to botto dps or which one got buffed/nerfed the most
raw minnow
I did damage per mag, damage per minute with the % change from old to new
midnight lotus
i assume dps is just dpmin/60 right
raw minnow
Yeah
midnight lotus
thanks man
raw minnow
I can add it next to it, give me a moment
loud storm
Hope the keep the G36 at 800 rpm and just give it a bit more accuracy not back to 750.
And airaldi never got love and even now it gets slapped and nobody uses it cus habsburg wich is less easy to farm but still
kind veldt
Oh yeah the nerf to status effect was also weird in that brand first piece
midnight lotus
tbf hasburg rng is kinda brutal
loud storm
And what with those .33% and .5% numbers... like ceska 6,5% now you either gonna go over chc cap or below. Weapon mods are cool tho
midnight lotus
And what with those .33% and .5% numbers... like ceska 6,5% now you either gonna...
its not gonna affect much tbh slap more chc mods on it
kind veldt
I mean most mods got buffed so that offsets things a bit
rigid wedge
So the scoripo I may have misled people on
loud storm
I know but i hate seeing 56,5% chc for example or knowing if put on mod im at 61,5% thus over..... my ocd is gonna kill me
spare cove
So the scoripo I may have misled people on
It's PvE as well, I'm guessing
rigid wedge
Shots to stack
Before:
1 - Poison (PVP Bleed)
3 - Disorient (PVP Disrupt)
6 - Shock (PVP Ensnare)
After:
3 - Poison (PVP Bleed) 🔴
6 - Disorient (PVP Disrupt) 🔴
9 - Shock (PVP Ensnare) 🔴
it's also pve related as well 💀
loud storm
Was hoping to get a small dmg buff for the chameleon aswell but the lesser shots needed is nice
midnight lotus
Was hoping to get a small dmg buff for the chameleon aswell but the lesser shots...
if we assume that the HE changes will affect their exotic counterpart then they just nerfed chameleon
the problem is that they keep throwing numbers when they can just rework recoil and handling or something
loud storm
But most mmr's changes aint good imo and some shotguns need to be looked at again. And the scar (mk16) and ACR need to be more different. Acr got a nice buff before but now its same rpm as mk16 but lower dmg so made pointless. P416 change i like so might pull it outta stash.
midnight lotus
if chameleon is even as accurate as mpx then its a monster
like no one is using AK or TKB because of how awful they actually perform despite having decent dps on paper
iron gust
They really undersold during the stream the balancing changes
spare cove
That bad?
loud storm
Yea guns are already easy mode in handling in this game compared to TD1.give the hard hitting ones more recoil/kick so you mightwanna build in some handling on your build if needed
midnight lotus
They really undersold during the stream the balancing changes
they gotta account for yannivk struggling at lincoln
midnight lotus
That bad?
yea
bad spread,high recoil,lack of attachments on the AK
the nail in the coffin is its incomparability with strikers
spare cove
I don't use the AK, so I can't really care tbh
midnight lotus
it doesn’t matter if they nerf striker or buff Ak(they nerfed it btw )people will just not use them because they feel awful
spare cove
Well, I'm built different, so I use whatever weapon I want no matter how awful they are
midnight lotus
a good example of a decent low rpm AR would be the mk18
tho the damage is sorta not there they handle smoothly,high but controllable recoil and tight spread
loud storm
And striker gearset was to be expected but i would like that the change the chest talent not 200 stacks but 2 stacks per hit and still capped at 100 max so you ramp up twice as fast and would make it more usefull overall outside incursions or legendary boss fights and can then be used anywhere
midnight lotus
this is an aspect that for some reason they refuse to touch:make weapons feel better rather than just crunching numbers to see which one has more dps
midnight lotus
And striker gearset was to be expected but i would like that the change the ches...
maintaining striker stacks is barely a problem in most content
tho it might differ on console idk
you just switch between targets so fast the decay is not really a problem
you also stack them on robot dogs and enemy proxy like true son turrets and minitank anyway
loud storm
Keeping +150 stacks aint easy in group (the either die to fast or are already dead) so running obliterate gives faster dmg and often more cus of the quick stacking
midnight lotus
oh you mean the chest
yea the chest is just eh
tho in group legendary it is feasible idk
rose hare
guys have you read y6s2 pts note yet?
midnight lotus
yes
rose hare
they are bringing back the old lightweight m4
loud storm
Yea im talking about the chest that gives you 200 stacks from 100 base
midnight lotus
not really
kind veldt
it's going back and forth between what people like and didnt like
fickle edge
Isn't rifles still single shot
midnight lotus
it's going back and forth between what people like and didnt like
50/50
kind veldt
Isn't rifles still single shot
most of them got reworked to be full auto now
fickle edge
Just no need to tap continuously? And you can hold down the button
midnight lotus
personally theres a lot of good and a lot of bad everywhere
kind veldt
they are still their own category of weapons, just changed to full auto on the notes
midnight lotus
they also keep the old rpm so its just like a QoL thing rather than a straight buff
loud storm
I like the negotiators and OD buff. Umbra is nice aswell ut does sayingnot affecting pvp mean its different in DZ?