td2-general-chat

[dapper lark]

nah i still hate it

[kind veldt]

yeah it didnt adress most of my issues

[hybrid ore]

What issues did it miss?

[timber hatch]

Honest question, are the people up in arms about the season changes actually fans of the current season system?

[steel pier]

Literally Just doubling down with a "people dont like this lets panic something up" level change in this "Intermission"

[low lily]

Well you also have to understand that simply because you dislike something doesn't mean that everyone does.

[lone magnet]

nothing changed, it´s terrible

[candid arch]

The FAQ mentions everywhere that thing (like comms) will be shared with main character, not characters. I hope they will be shared with each existing character including HC

[blissful sapphire]

guys is it worth spending $20 for the recruiter fit

[dapper lark]

:33

[hybrid ore]

In my experience, the bulk of people who scream about an upcoming change don't play the current system and just want to make noise.
Valid for pretty much every game with changing systems.

[elfin hazel]

if you like it that much sure

[unkempt silo]

thought it was limited?

[elfin hazel]

its back just today

for today only

[unkempt silo]

oh neat

[smoky meteor]

I just need to level up my newest character and grind out the season track before they add Seasonal Characters. lol

[blissful sapphire]

that's why i'm pondering if it's worth it

[hybrid ore]

it's next Season.

[lunar hare]

Pretty much everyone is against this change. Not only 1 person.

[smoky meteor]

So September then at the earliest?

[unkempt silo]

I hope they go back on it or change something, doubt that'll happen though.

[steel pier]

Its funny, the amount of Dev's I've seen say this and then pull off a shocked Pickachu face when it backfires is pretty embarrassing.

[novel laurel]

I'm a certified hater and I'm open to the new seasonal progression

I personally think the old manhunt system is very lackluster

Most of the time I don't even play them at all, as there isn't a real incentive

[elfin hazel]

I'm not against I don't like it that much (liking it more now after faq) I just don't think its going to be the GAME KILLING THE DEVS WANT THE GAME AND ME PERSONALLY DEAD update

[hybrid ore]

Outside of "i dont like/want it". I'd like to hear some actual reasons why you dislike the Seasonal Characters model with the info we now have, acknowledging that there will also be more info coming.

[smoky meteor]

Honestly, I'm interested in the new Seasonal Character system because I am super far behind on SHD levels on my main character, so I'm never gonna be as good as everyone else. Plus, if they add like Seasonal Events and content, before adding it to the main game ALA Path of Exile, that would be pretty awesome.

[low lily]

Didn't say only 1 person, also saying that pretty much everyone is against it is simply not true, majority people just don't need to show their opinion about stuff in discord or reddit 😅

[elfin hazel]

I would rather have new different grind than how I play now which is just login new target log off wait login new target log off repeat

[novel laurel]

When new skills or exotics are manhunt locked I'd play the shit out of them and love it

[timber hatch]

I think the 1 thing people really like is the modifier events like golden bullet, which they mentioned in the FAQ will be still going on for standard characters

[elfin hazel]

^^^ discord reddit & twitter are just the very vocal parts of the playerbase and not to be taken as how the whole community feels

[solar basin]

Your punctuation has me dead

[elfin hazel]

np

[hybrid ore]

If people here ever want to see "vocal minority" in action, check out basically any big youtube video. Check the number of comments vs the number of views.

[lone magnet]

So what that basically means is that you have to create a seasonal character. otherwise you wont be able to get the "powerful" rewards on your main character. Oh cool, so we can play the new content, after doing it with the seasonal one, with our main character once again for two weeks before the new season drops. With the every new season our main character becomes pointless again, just to create a new seasonal character to repeat the same process over again. Makes sense, right ? "We heard your concerns but we don´t care about it ! " Nice !

[steel pier]

The problem isn't with how the season currently works, its the poor writing that's been going on that's been letting current seasons down.
Basically examples recently would include:
Johnson was so predictably the Recruiter. early on it was almost cringeworthy to see go on for weeks.
Keener's return is monumentally stupid and just falling back on a fan fave when it doesnt really work.
So many agents have gone rogue the actual Rogue status feels like a Novelty rather than a significant shock

[solar basin]

I second this message

[dense saffron]

I’ve seen those people on rogue gold’s video like frick off

[hybrid ore]

What?

[steel pier]

I third it

[timber hatch]

Otherwise I also think the current season system is incredibly uninspired and I've never really bothered with them. The thing I don't understand about us needing to level 1-40 is them saying how we need to "learn the mechanics". Which makes zero sense for experienced players unless they are adding new mechanics, but they also haven't said anything about that. It's a bit confusing tbh

[unkempt silo]

I'd rather it let us play on our main character, I'm not a fan of restarting in general, I enjoy playing on my agent that's gone through hell and back more than once. I practicalyl only play for the seasons, which is enough for me and I bet some people can agree. Might be a bit of a smaller crowd though.

[elfin hazel]

theres 110k+ people in here and I'd say only about 100 are "active" reaccuring members theres no way to tell how the other several hundred thousand feel

[solar basin]

The fact that people have punt in so many hours into characters to level them up and gear them up just for the devs to be like: "lets make all characters unusable untill they do what only the minorty of players like to do".

[steel pier]

Rogue gold Whiteknight's his way through season's 2.0 rather than actuallly handle it from both sides 💀

[solar basin]

Is just unfathomable to me

[hybrid ore]

What does that have to do with my comment?

[dense saffron]

Wouldn’t be surprised if he does that

[solar basin]

Wrong comment

[elfin hazel]

again where does this "minority" come from

[solar basin]

My bad

[kind veldt]

also they didnt tackle of how much of new actual content will be spread out during the season, it just mentions some activities, but i dont care about the same cycle of CP, bounties being repeated constantly

[hybrid ore]

oh easy, they made it up

[low lily]

Unusable?? You can play on you main as much as you want 😊

[elfin hazel]

^^^

[kind veldt]

to do what?

[elfin hazel]

people have kept bringing up how the minority or majority feel but always using how their own small experience feels projecting that to the entire playerbase

[solar basin]

After 2 weeks the content I enjoy on my main becomes playable, so what am I going to do those other 2 weeks?

[steel pier]

At this point Massive Just hire Thomas Parrott to write your seasons in the future, at least his style of story is fresh and original in the set universe

[dense saffron]

No idea

[hybrid ore]

info is so much easier to come by when you just invent stuff.
Like here: did you know that Keener once tripped and fell over in front of a SHD Agent, and that's why he's Rogue.

[low lily]

Do what you like, I mean I don't need to say what you do in division 2 mate

[elfin hazel]

probably take a break or play other content

[unkempt silo]

I don't see him in the shop unless I'm blind.

[kind veldt]

after 15 weeks, your main is only playable in the LAST 2 WEEKs

[solar basin]

Even worse, such a nice change, they really listen to the community, my ass.

[unkempt silo]

nvm found it lol

[steel pier]

Everyone's Just gonna wait till the last two weeks bet.

[hybrid ore]

Your main can play all the GE's throughout.

they just can't do the specific new stuff.

until the last 2 weeks.

[steel pier]

Yeah but thats Just same shite different week,

[elfin hazel]

theres a bajillion different games out there 15 weeks is a lot of time to play them

[novel laurel]

Someone's not reading

[kind veldt]

sorry but the fun for me is taking new items to try new weird builds i cant do that so i wont play, simple as that

[lone magnet]

oh great, the content we already had for years. i´m looking forward to do that !

[novel laurel]

How could you not??

[dapper lark]

Div2 wasn't built around this seasonal character stuff, thats why im playing div2, i like the franchise and the escape from "please no content for you unless you do seasons" its just invalidated our main character. if i wanted to do seasonal content id play PoE more than i do div2.

Story is gone from the main, unless i play for 2 weeks after a 15 week break, like make it an optional system, make the new sets and exotics drop in seasons.

[solar basin]

Idc about GE's. I like to play the Seasons with my main which I have put a 1000 hours into. Not with an new character.

[timber hatch]

Everything you can currently do now

[elfin hazel]

I'm so lost

[novel laurel]

You don't have to make a new character lol

[hybrid ore]

So let me get this straight.
people here are complaining that they can't do the content with their main, but at the same time they dont want to do the content with their main because it's boring.

[novel laurel]

Only if you want to play the new season stuff ahead of time

[elfin hazel]

thats what I'm sayin

[solar basin]

To play seasons, yes you do

[hybrid ore]

This place is just full of cats. They want to be both inside and out.

[solar basin]

Did I say that?

[fluid meadow]

I want the hours on my seasonal to count on my main 😿

[solar basin]

I enjoy the fact that they have finally upped the game and gave us more content, then they are going to do this

It's such a dumb way to kill your game. GG's to the devss.

[hybrid ore]

You get all the stuff you collect on your main later. No lost content.

Are people just not reading the FAQ?

[molten spire]

The talk of "controlled progression" and "avoiding long-term consequences" sounds like them trying to sidestep the issue they've had over the past few seasons where it's fairly obvious that the brandset, gearset, named items, talents and exotics are being added because there's an expectation that there will be new ones each season regardless of whether they're actually good or useful.

Even ignoring whether Striker is overly strong, the new guns and gear that don't turn out to be stat sticks like Ouroboros and Hotshot are sidegrades at best as the main niches players are interested in are already filled (especially Striker)

also being unable to level the seasonal track by playing the GE is an interesting choice

[steel pier]

Season's could've been reworked into something new and fresh without introducing Seasons 2.0 characters.

Its that simple.

[kind veldt]

and doing the same content without their main is fun? do you like the current cycle of control points, bounties and replaying old missions until the last target?

[hybrid ore]

This is literally something new and fresh.

cats, all of you.

[steel pier]

By forcing players to go back to the start after thousands of levels, only to grind up to 40 again

[dense saffron]

I’m a dog person but I get the analogy

[lone magnet]

Can´t wait for Division 3 at this point. It will be even better than S6 in D2 ! Prepare for greatness !

[steel pier]

Truly Rivens, Shockingly fun "new" content

[worn osprey]

I love the narcissistic denial.

[solar basin]

You really do not get it do you? I am saying. I am not going to create a totally new character and put in some hours just to merge it with my main at a certain point. No fun in that. Also, why the fuck would I still put in the hours. If it's all for nothing and either having to wait 15 weeks and then play for 2 weeks. Or play a totally new character which idea they stole from fucking Diablo

[hybrid ore]

You can do the same content you've already been doing with your main. That says it in the FAQ

[low lily]

You do understand that you can play other games if you don't like it?

[worn osprey]

This person doesn’t want to get it. That’s the problem.

[steel pier]

"Repeat the same shite again, its fun!"

[hybrid ore]

Okay that's enough.

[kind veldt]

i asked if you liked the current system and how doing it with a different character would be more fun, i read the FAQ i'm voicing my concerns over how some points are not adressed in the new system

[solar basin]

Yes, and so are more people going to do so. They just give themselves the killshot. Enjoy dead game.

Stop bootlicking lmao.

[low lily]

And I will, thanks ❤️

[molten spire]

so they artifically buff or alter the seasonal mechanics to make the gear and brandset look good for the season, and hence avoid addressing the issue of gearset redundancies

[worn osprey]

Sweet heart that high horse is having a hard time carrying your ego. Give it a rest.

[elfin hazel]

there'd be somewhat actual challenge instead of builds so optimized they plow through any new content

[hybrid ore]

Okay this is going too far with the anger posting. Everyone take 5.

[solar basin]

That's why it's an looter shooter ROFL

[fluid meadow]

Honestly if my pvp char isn't tampered with i'm all good.

[solar basin]

To get the optimal build so you can actually play the toughest content

[elfin hazel]

its not 👍

[spare cove]

So anyone who doesn't hate Seasons 2.0 and wants it full removal is a bootlicker.

Got it

[solar basin]

Amazing how people are so delusional, if you want to play something like that go play Diablo or WoW.

[steel pier]

5 years they push people to have top tier optimized builds, after that they're basically going
"Oh no they're TOO GOOD"
Lets nerf them back to basics to make it better

[low lily]

Wait what?? What has anything to do with me ego now? I just said I will enjoy playing

[fluid meadow]

Like i don't think the new seasonal char is affecting pvp in any way at all

[steel pier]

Love the logic

[molten spire]

and the response from the vocal community is precisely why I expect any livestream without pre-screened questions to be completely useless, and the pre-screened questions to be softballed for identical reasons

[steel pier]

this

[solar basin]

I'll hear from you again when the seaons drop and you cant do anything with your main which you have grinded for for so long. Just to see it waste away.

[dapper lark]

you mean the one where you can only pvp with non seasonals?

[solar basin]

Why aren't the devs in here rn?

Actually communicate with us?

[low lily]

Yeah I don't think dz will change at all in that matter

[deep flare]

What was the price of the recruiter outifits before ?

[worn osprey]

People mad in chat about changes
“No one is mad. Everyone likes what’s happening!!!”
Rage Intensifies
“Y’all are cats!”
Rage further intensifies
“Okay. Since y’all are cats and don’t agree with me it’s time to be quiet!”

[molten spire]

what and get reply ping death threats instead of "just" in DMs?

[lone magnet]

That´s the next great part about it, the part with adding the character to your "arsenal". You can only have a total amount of 5 characters. So you are forced to delete one of your characters every season. No new stash space on top of it by the way. I have no words for this anymore... just dissapointed like back when they´ve ruined D1

[steel pier]

Love how acurate this is

[fiery slate]

Don’t pretend that would be productive at the moment. There’s no constructive conversation going on lol.

[fluid meadow]

It got me into thinking
Pvp season when?

[elfin hazel]

I don't agree with it and it does feel like sidestepping the main problem but you can't really advertise things like the incursion as the hardest difficulty ever when that falls apart like 3 days later

[wheat zinc]

There’s also going to be separate DZs for seasonal and non-seasonal characters

[cloud sinew]

Div 2 is doomed , Season 2.0 is huge shit

[dapper lark]

Q: How will the introduction of Seasonal characters affect the PVP?
A: Seasonal characters will only be able to matchmake with other seasonal characters at an appropriate power level, accounting for the level playing field the seasonal reset brings.\

Q: Will modifiers work both in PvE and PvP?
A: Modifiers are PvE exclusive.\

Q: Will Seasonal characters have a separate DZ?
A: Yes, DZ pools are separate between seasonal and non-seasonal. ```

[timber hatch]

Ok this is what I don't get, because I don't think people, both the dev team and people freaking out, realize how quickly we can gear up. Like I've done it several times, way more than I have any reason to. You can get setup, especially since we will have our recal library shared, very very quickly. A couple countdown runs and I'll be ready to run raids/legendary/incursion.

[solar basin]

Like I said, they gave themselves the killshot. Typical Ubi style

[fluid meadow]

So dz brackets for pvp seasonal chars?

[kind veldt]

One of my biggest issues is how the heavy the endgame is, and the levelling until you reach it feels barebones for replaying it, it's a good long tutorial campaign that you should definetly play once, i dont think the approach address the issue that it has very little variety in the system until you reach endgame, you will be just unlocking the same skills you already had, there is no "oh this time i will spec into being a fire mage instead of ice mage" like diablos or path of exile has that creates already good variety during the levelling up process

Features necessary for making builds are at the endgame, the process to reach endgame is not fun.

[fluid meadow]

Sounds like div 1 which is kinda good

[dapper lark]

dz and pvp can only play with in either seasonal character or main.

[whole flame]

Man, they're really trying to sell us seasonal characters as content, huh?

[lone magnet]

Ubi probably wants the Seasonal model for obvious reasons but it´s also this particular dev team. It was a fun ride though. I personally wont waste any more time with the game. Thanks Massive !

[whole flame]

The update article was like 80% hot air about seasonal characters.

[solar basin]

This is what I was trying to say, thanks for explaining it!

[spare cove]

I'm pretty sure none of y'all will be satisfied unless Seasons 2.0 is completely removed

[solar basin]

It's all about fucking money dude

[kind veldt]

They just tipped the scale to making me replay the part i least want to replay even more without adressing issues that come with this forced seasonal mode

[elfin hazel]

that and since watch level goes by faster along with expertise not being a thing makes it all the more easy to gear farm

[solar basin]

It's not about the community that's keeping them afloat

[fluid meadow]

The power difference will be very apparent there then.

[steel pier]

Literally Yes.

Thank you for reading the room dear freind.

[lone magnet]

Exactly. They are simply testing the new financial model in D2 to find the "right" balance for D3.

[spare cove]

Sorry that I don't hate Seasons 2.0. I hope you're not holding that against me

[solar basin]

What are you on about? This is literally the part that nobody was waiting for. Imagine grinding all the way to expertise 25 to just see it fade away in obscurity because some people find it too hard?

OMFG

[kind veldt]

mostly likely yes for me, but as a i said, make the road from 1-40 actually really really fun to play and i might change my mind, there is still other issues with some legacy gear being locked behind activities that need more prep work like regulus and etc that will make trying ot make build punishing and a big chore

[wheat zinc]

It’s hard to hate something when I haven’t seen/played it yet

[solar basin]

Yup.

[solar basin]

And mods here walking with it ROFL

[elfin hazel]

well I'm sure you'll all be happy to know that theres no chance seasons 2.0 is going away anytime soon so you'll have plenty of time to find other games you can play just as much

[whole flame]

I hate it, I've played seasonal content models like this before on other games, especially diablo 4, it's been recycled trash designed to keep you on a hamster wheel with minimal effort for as long as possible. Im not doing it again.

[solar basin]

I have plenty.

[spare cove]

If you expect mods to get angry at the devs, you're gonna be disappointed

[worn osprey]

@low lily Do you even know what the word Discord means? LMAO it means “disagreement between people”. Get off your high horse.

[umbral kite]

we'll see what they've cooked

[steel pier]

Way I see it its basically like saying
Lets build a car without airbags and only not like it until we crash

Just because the Idea's not yet tested doesn't make it wise.

[elfin hazel]

a headstart is always a good thing 👍

[dapper lark]

just make it optional?
is new character seasonal?
yes?: okay new set and exotics + story.
no? : No new set or exotics for 15 weeks + also get story

[hybrid ore]

@worn osprey Drop the attitude, last warning before it goes official.
You can disagree, don't make personal attacks.

[kind veldt]

well what else can community do other than raise feedback about features

[low lily]

I think you guys need to start putting mutes soon 😅

[solar basin]

ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, ITS ALL ABOUT THE DUM DUM DEEDEEDUM DUM

[fluid meadow]

Yeah right so you won't be able to aquire the seasonal exotics unless you use the seasonal char?

[spare cove]

You need to stop posting. You're getting angry

[steel pier]

😂

[molten spire]

hence my point about this being an attempt to paper over the gear balancing issues with artificially modifying gear and build viability with seasonal modifiers

even before Striker's relative strength and simplicity to assemble a basic build with enters the picture

[lone magnet]

You will probably be able to earn everything in THE PAST TWO WEEKS of the season

[solar basin]

I'm enjoying the dumpsterfire called Div devs cashgrabbing and the mods here running with it 😂

[low lily]

I think that goes to all new seasonal stuff, so like talents, gear, weapons

[elfin hazel]

theres raising feedback and then being abrasive for the sake of being abrasive

[kind veldt]

i wont get excited about getting a purple double barrel shotgun when doing a seasonal character at lv 28 because forcing restart doesnt adress the issue it's bad

[spare cove]

From my experience, most people who use laughing emoji are usually very mad

[molten spire]

cashgrabbing something that's accessible for the price of just the base game and doesn't have a mandatory paid track

[dense saffron]

I would say something, currently biting my tongue rn as I’m still pissed

[fluid meadow]

Hold it. So i won't be able to farm seasonal content on my main?

[kind veldt]

nope

[molten spire]

not until the last two weeks of "intermission"

[low lily]

I am not sure, but if season is tied to seasonal character then who knows

[fluid meadow]

Can i transfer my main loot to my seasonal loot?

[hybrid ore]

You can still do the GE's and other unspecified stuff on your main.

[kind veldt]

he can play the content but not get new gear isnt that right? only new character gets new items

[hybrid ore]

just not whatever the new things are.

[dapper lark]

no lmfao thats the point of seasons

[solar basin]

Nope

[solar basin]

Nope

[elfin hazel]

I don't know if the FAQ said if new gear is locked I don't think it did

[lone magnet]

you can but it still remains pointless

[low lily]

You can use your main character on the last 2 weeks apparently

[wheat zinc]

You’ll be able to merge items with season and non-season characters during that two week intermission

[low lily]

For the climax mission or whatever it was called 😅

[fluid meadow]

Like really come on now. Gatekeeping the exotics away i may understand but the gear and named items is too far

[hybrid ore]

You can use your main the entire time, you just can't use them to play the new Season stuff.
the old season stuff is still there to play whenever you want.

[solar basin]

Pointless, what would you want to do with level 24 new gear?

[novel laurel]

Don't think it will be

[kind veldt]

okay summary
15 weeks of content only for New sasonal character
2 last weeks your old character can play new content
ONLY after the season ends new gear is added together with seasonal character to your main, not all new gear might avaialable after a season end

IF i got anything wrong please quote from the FAQ to be sure

[elfin hazel]

from how I read it new season content (story) is seasonal characters but not gear

[solar basin]

yeah that's basically just putting it behind an paywall nobody wants

The whole strenght of div was how it currently is

[hybrid ore]

It's not a paywall.

[elfin hazel]

what paywall

[novel laurel]

It's free??

[elfin hazel]

ya

[solar basin]

Season Pass aint free?

[kind veldt]

season 2.0 IS NOT the expansion

[elfin hazel]

season pass has always been free

[dapper lark]

nah we get the library on old stuff and mats are locked to main.

[elfin hazel]

paid track is optional always has been

[hybrid ore]

The season pass is free, you just need to pay for the cosmetics tier.

[kind veldt]

free pass has gear, paid pass is cosmedics and extras

[junior bear]

Do we know what content it is tho

[kind veldt]

not at this moment

[elfin hazel]

not really

[fluid meadow]

Yeah so tiers would only be unlocked on seasonal?

[spare cove]

I think we need to back up a bit and re-asses some shit, cuz there's clearly some misinformation going on.

[elfin hazel]

just a vague story elements

[abstract adder]

Hey, I don’t post here much but put me down as another who does not like this seasonal system. What a mood killer.

[solar basin]

Just keep bootlicking. I'm hopping out this dumpsterfire 🙂

[junior bear]

They said it's not raid or incursion that leaves new stuff or nothing lol

[kind veldt]

from my understanding only seasonal character would have access to it

[elfin hazel]

theres a lot of misunderstanding & misinfo

[junior bear]

Tf did I miss

[steel pier]

And you get left to handle the dumpster fire because the actual Dev's cant be asked,

[novel laurel]

I don't even see why anyone is worried about it yet it's still 4 months away?

[solar basin]

Let devs do the 1 hour stream to actually go in depth, instead of 5 minutes in the postshow and then an lazy FAQ?

[spare cove]

Mate, no brought up your sexuality. This has nothing to do with the conversation at hand

[kind veldt]

people be mad (for good reason)

[fluid meadow]

Okay so blueprints exotics behind seasonal but you can still farm the gear behind it.
I can get behind that

[dapper lark]

tbh the devs need to sit down and make a video. even the faq is still vague.

[kind veldt]

only in your seasonal from my understanding

[solar basin]

When they bring out huge changes all the sudden they don't go in depth

[hybrid ore]

Nothing, all the chat is still there.
@worn osprey I'm going to have to ask you to explain that one. Via a PM if you dont' want to in public.

[junior bear]

New stuff to eo needs to be huge to be worth farming again

[kind veldt]

https://www.ubisoft.com/pt-br/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/1zLPLz9YsHDh806oFUUUhe

just read it again to be double sure

[umbral kite]

well they'll probably show more soon it's still months away.

[novel laurel]

They probably will give way more info closer to the release date which is months away lol

[steel pier]

Pre-recorded tat wont work, because they'll cover up legitimate complaints and questions with pre written company questions, not the players.

[fluid meadow]

Yeah it's very much subject to change

[elfin hazel]

FAQ doesn't tell us what the content is understandably so cant have that leaking! its more so just to temper the ideas like L40 watch will take 500 bijllion years to level and expertise grind etc etc

we'll 100% have more info later

[low lily]

Yeah let's just give it time, because honestly new season is really far away currently

[kind veldt]

well i keep being angry until i stop being angry

[fiery slate]

Honestly the faq is a good step towards an explanation, not sure what else we can really ask for at the moment. Hopefully an in depth video going into the mechanics behind it will be posted before release

[elfin hazel]

^^^^

[hybrid ore]

However, there is more to the upcoming changes than just transitioning to seasonal characters. We will share with you detailed information by hosting live Q&A sessions, our PTS, and during various livestreams in the coming months to guide you through these changes.

[molten spire]

a video or livestream of the same quality as the new FAQ is unlikely to convert much people, and audience input will be completely useless as well as it's mostly death threats or "REVERSE THE CHANGES"

in general I'm very skeptical of how much thinking went into Seasons 2.0 as the announcement was so spectacularly mishandled

[novel laurel]

I like that they said xp progression is going to be way faster

[elfin hazel]

I really don't see how a pre-recorded stream would be any different from "live" stream its not like questions or the answers would be any different

[spare cove]

Yeah, my biggest concern about the system was the xp progression.

[fluid meadow]

I remember 1-30 dz xp farming is pretty damn quick.

[hybrid ore]

Is no one reading the FAQ?

[kind veldt]

but that doesn adress that replaying from 1-40 will be a chore

[steel pier]

Because they could take fan questions, not ones they pick and choose to be easy or on there side.

[novel laurel]

I don't think you are playing the main story from 1-40 though

[low lily]

Also can wait for couple of days and then get boosted fast

[kind veldt]

yes you are

[elfin hazel]

I'd imagine a lot of thinking it was more so just a mandate to have something for forward and this is what they had on hand

[dapper lark]

if it was a live Q&A it would jsut be the same question over and over.
Like some people don't even know what seasons are, even when explained as it has so far

[low lily]

If you don't wanna do it yourself at start

[fluid meadow]

I am going to give it a shot definitely

Experience something new lol

[elfin hazel]

the questions would be screened either way

[molten spire]

technically taking 30 hours worth of the worst Div 2 YouTubers most softball questions would still be counted as "fan" questions

[kind veldt]

well not the whole thing but you are grinding from 1-40 again before starting seasonal progression, can someone correct me on this?

[elfin hazel]

someone asking a question on their side or not is a fan question regardless of whos asking

[lunar hare]

FAQ says you don't have to. You can choose what to do and where to start.

[spare cove]

Is there actually people who don't understand how seasons work in general?

[novel laurel]

Seasonal content starts at lvl 1

[steel pier]

You really expect me to believe MSV would be Impartial anyway?

[low lily]

Exactly same, even if it's bad I can't say I didn't give it a chance

[molten spire]

1-40 is supposed to be part of the seasonal progress, but the details aren't there even when they really should have explained

[hybrid ore]

To reach level 40, the seasonal journey will act as a guide, providing simple and quick challenges that offer great completion rewards, while also aiding the player through unlocking key game systems. Additionally, at every point players can complete a variety of other activities in the game at an increased progression rate. Each Season will feature unique Seasonal Modifiers that affect both players and enemy NPCs, providing a different experience in previously played content.

[molten spire]

from the past 15 minutes, actually yes

[dapper lark]

yes, we just had one in the chat like a moment ago.

[smoky meteor]

Ya know what I wish they added? Pirate Radio Stations. Like, people repaired the radio stations and we can hear it over ISAC or something. Just different stations for different types of music.

[novel laurel]

See to me that sounds like it has a ton of potential

[thorny crescent]

idk i lvled 4 chars to lvl 40, 2 chars to lvl 30, i think its time to rejoin the super earth

[spare cove]

I do wish we got a conspiracy theorist in DC. I miss Rick Valassi

[fluid meadow]

You can only damage through headshot modifier when?

[dapper lark]

honestly, just make an "adventure mode" like diablo too.

[steel pier]

No, you dont want that trust me. Take it from a guy from fallout 76, what starts off as cool and new and fun gets rough fast when you get the same 10 songs in a different order over and over for 5 years

[elfin hazel]

bring back rick or have a character like rick going off about the BT and the super bunker !!!

[smoky meteor]

Honestly, I've played F76 for years, and every fallout game. I love having background radio music that I can turn on and off at will.

[molten spire]

Rick's radio segments actually do get updates, but you can only hear them in Haven or the Lower Manhattan safehouses

[fluid meadow]

That dude actually had me waiting in safe houses around the radio waiting for him

[spare cove]

Fallout New Vegas taught me that eventually you'll get bored of the same 5-10 songs over and over again

[dapper lark]

i miss the music randomly playing like in d1 lol

[faint canyon]

i thin the worst part about seasons 2.0 is that ur going to be spending a wee (15 hours) in the most dry/ boring part of the game- lvl 1-39. the enemies are so damn boring, easy and unfun to fight. actual worst part of lvling a watch mule. and now its inda based around this levelling? :/

[elfin hazel]

I could never get bored of my johnny.........

[elfin hazel]

as the FAQ says the leveling process will be way faster

[steel pier]

Repeating it again, but faster

[faint canyon]

yes 15 hours. about a wee if you play about 3 hours a day (i do)

[spare cove]

Okay, how about this. Seasons 2.0, you start at level 40 with none of the gear in your non-seasonal characters and do activities with seasonal modifiers to get new gear.

[steel pier]

Why the god damn the Devs Just dont make 2.0's Optional, its such an easy simple way to please both sides I refuse they're not so stupid to at least consider it the easiest fix to this s-show

[kind veldt]

Okay clearly i'm reading and not understanding some stuff

• you are starting again from level 1 but you will already be playing new seasonal content or not?
• were any other changes announced to change the progression from 1-40 other than XP and some nebulous seasonal modifier?
• Did they how new gear will interact with the old characters?

[elfin hazel]

I'd expect theres a lot of work to make it "optional"

[vocal bloom]

I'm getting BRAVO-04 error code and can't play. Only me?

[low lily]

Yeah I don't don't wanna wait 10 months for a new season

[elfin hazel]

and it wouldn't be a simple thing to make it optional since seasons are the main content source we have

[spare cove]

Okay, if they allow you to play the Manhunt story and get the gear in your main character. Would that make you happy?

[kind veldt]

yes

[elfin hazel]

thats just what we have now

[steel pier]

Whats the harder work, making this whole new system season will operate around, or the ability to play the season on your main like idk, the last 5 years

[elfin hazel]

probably making it optional

they announced seasons 2.0 a long time ago and likely have been working on it since

[steel pier]

Yeah, you would say that wouldn't you.

[spare cove]

I can't imagine some people were happy that Season 10 lasted 5 long months

[low lily]

You are forgetting that it's probably almost fully ready, to change the mechanics that would take a lot work

[spare cove]

Okay, man. Need to take it down a notch. Don't want you get banned

[elfin hazel]

they have about 4 months to completely turn around the new system they've likely been working on for around a year or more

and 4 months is such a miniscule amount of time when it comes to development

[dapper lark]

if the gear came a season later, id be happy with this. like give a reason to do a seasonal character (new seasons exotics and sets) after the season it goes into the loot pool for non seasonals, but still give the story.

[junior bear]

I think it's going to be shit, and nobody will play it other ppl who are bored

[steel pier]

Unironically Im that uncaring about the game rn i cant bring myself to care about being banned.

[elfin hazel]

hell it took them 1 year after TU12 to remake a new team and most of that year was getting the team setup

[smoky meteor]

I mean, Seasonal Characters would allow them to try out mechanics they're not sure would work in the game, with the option to throw them aside. So it's not terrible honestly.

[spare cove]

Unless they do a lot of overtime and crunch

[elfin hazel]

I would prefer them not to do that 👍

[fluid meadow]

So it says you can gain seasonal rewards through 1 to 40. Is it still 1 level = 1 tier though?

[spare cove]

Likewise

[elfin hazel]

I would think so

[spare cove]

Well, its your funeral.

[elfin hazel]

especially knowing this games quirks (see 1 day downtime due to them leaving the office and coming back so as to not have save files corrupt through rushed/stressed work)

[fluid meadow]

And i would assume you can level more past 40 to earn the 60 remaining tiers?

[elfin hazel]

ya

[molten spire]

theoretically yes

[steel pier]

No love lost, Can happily die on that hill

[kind veldt]

yes because they mention the SHD watch bonus being active

[sonic halo]

today its destiny 2 turn get extended 2 hour downtime like division 2 does.

kek

[dapper lark]

what did telesto break this time?

[sonic halo]

that so old, they doing hotfixes then server maintence

[fluid meadow]

Is the shd watch going to be independent from main/hardcore?

[elfin hazel]

yes

[junior bear]

Seems like it

[kind veldt]

yes going to restart from the FAQ

[hybrid ore]

This progress will be shared with your main character at the end of the season.

independant for the most part, but you share it later.

[sonic halo]

td2 getting more complex for my five year old brain

[junior bear]

So if you farm 500shd it might be added to main

[timber hatch]

I don't understand why this isn't what they are doing tbh

[sonic halo]

seasonal character? ranked trophy?

[worn osprey]

Can you show me where the personal attack was? I looked up the definition of ad hominem just to make sure the one I have in my noggin is the correct one and nothing I’ve really said fits that bill.

[lunar hare]

There's a limit to that iirc

[dapper lark]

only think that shares from main to seasonal is recalibration library. almost everything from seasonal will go to main after the season has ended.

[spare cove]

Considering the backlash, the possibility that the devs might re-evaluate Seasons 2.0 is getting likely

[low lily]

I just hope it won't get delayed because of that

[elfin hazel]

I'd expect some tweaks nothing more

[dapper lark]

wait, is there no devs in this discord at all? o.o

[spare cove]

They are. But they don't talk

[elfin hazel]

4 months doesn't seem long enough to delay it or change it drastically

[spare cove]

And honestly, I can't blame em

[steel pier]

They like to watch the dumpsterfire of there own actions from a distance rather than actually help there own server mods

[junior bear]

💀

[elfin hazel]

theres devs but its against the rules to ping them + they don't talk for hopefully obvious reasons

no dev in the world has any obligation to talk directly to the players

seems to work well enough for valve 💀

[low lily]

Devs have their own work to do, they don't need to be in discord tho

[spare cove]

Yeah. Tbh, last thing I need as a game dev is make a comment and I get hundreds of DMs from strangers

[dapper lark]

nah, just wanted to know to see if they actually see this and not expect the mods to give them the feedback

xdef also has 4 devs on that are active in the chat

[elfin hazel]

oh they see it 100%

[steel pier]

Devs working on a game without communicating in chat concerns about what they're working on, seems real healthy.

[junior bear]

Then make the work good

[elfin hazel]

from my understanding bits and pieces get relayed to them much like twitter replies do

[spare cove]

I think at this point, most people in here don't wanna hear devs sayuing we're passing the feedback along.

[molten spire]

the Gaming Trend interview that included some of the stuff that eventually showed up in the FAQ seemed pretty committed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJnItfdB0pA

[small estuary]

Hi anyone would Play in darkzone?

[elfin hazel]

seems to have worked for the industry for its whole entire life ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scarlet plume]

have you seen tf2 recent reviews 🥴

[low lily]

And if they would talk, how many people would attack them? You are forgetting they are just doing their job

[elfin hazel]

sure have though I side with savetf2 I really don't know what they expect from valve whos been like this from day 1 honestly

[spare cove]

You should ask in LFG

[molten spire]

the question of whether you're even directing it to the right person comes up - what exactly is the use of replying to every tweet by an art director with "FIX THE GAME" when it's not the art related assets breaking the game

[small estuary]

Ah ok thanks

[elfin hazel]

devs being active with the community is an extremely recent thing like last 4 or 5 years recent

[hybrid ore]

Well, mostly.

[steel pier]

Stupid actions get stupid responses. Job or not if bad choices get brought up, you call it out
As a Customer would you let someone screw up the job and not point out they're messing it up for you

[molten spire]

noooo but Valve has been so good to me and I've excused their near monopoly on digital games distribution for the past decade /s

[elfin hazel]

thats what I'm sayin

[spare cove]

Yeah, I doubt Palle Hoffenstein or Lauren Stone want comments about Seasons 2.0, especially since that's not their responsibility

[molten spire]

right so how many dev team members have you DMed or replied to on any of the social media networks complaining about this as well

[low lily]

Well we definitely have different views and that's okay, so let's just agree to disagree here

[steel pier]

Fallout 76's and Starfields, Cryptic Studios, Zenimax, for many years, who's community staff are much better at handiling backlash and clarifications

[molten spire]

Palle's replies section definitely has had a lot of comments as he's one of the more vocal team leads

[spare cove]

I would make a sarcastic comment about this whole thing, but I don't need to make things worse.

[molten spire]

this dev team, although I appreciate the half cleverness in attempting to move the goalposts

[low lily]

You can dm it, just for some razzle-dazzle

[molten spire]

did you contact any of them at Massive or not, because if you didn't you can't say that those devs are better

[elfin hazel]

different studio different people different work cultures different attitudes etc etc

[steel pier]

I Did, I even wrote an email and ticket to them all from publicly accessible company emails I found online, Politely explaining my concerns and the viewpoint from a player why I think its a bad idea, about a week ago.

[elfin hazel]

very curious if this maintenance will be more sided to this bug fix is a case of them HATING the players and fixing everything that helps them or thank god they are fixing the bug that is unfair to the VETS

[steel pier]

But I still say the other dev's outreach and handiling of equivalent issues was far better.

[spare cove]

Hmm, looks like tomorrow's maintenance is gonna be about that crafting bug,

[crude plume]

wait, i though the manhunt story continues every week instead of ever four weeks now? or did i mix smth up?

[scarlet plume]

nah this bug is straight stupid, i only have a few maxxed gear mods but i still didnt do the exploit. i dont know why people go onto a grinding game and hate it when they still have to grind for shit

[spare cove]

In the eyes of some players, if a bug that gives them an unfair advantage, that's fine and cool. But when the devs fixes it, they think the devs hate them

[steel pier]

This is the last old fashion season, it changes after this

[spare cove]

That's next season.

[crude plume]

ah, thanks

[low lily]

I don't think you can really call that an exploit tho

[scarlet plume]

whatever its called ig. doing the bug/glitch/hack/undetected 2024 GTA 5 exploit is just robbing yourself of more time you can play the game (if you want to keep playing of course)

[spare cove]

Yeah, I'm a bit of a latecomer when it comes to Expertise system (currently level 4). But do I wanna do the bug to level expertise faster? Heck no

[dapper lark]

honestly, the way that seasons is going to be, they might just perma max the rolls. or else you farming new mods every season

[spare cove]

I'd like that cuz I'd be peeved if my seasonal character gets gear that are not max rolled

[void bolt]

If it's not intended than it's an exploit.

[junior bear]

I hate it

[dapper lark]

well it could be bugged for vet characters we don't know. there has been no comms lol

[junior bear]

So are you telling ppl that they can't craft in game which is in game mechanic cuz it crafts god rolls

[brisk matrix]

so can anyone tell me why random people are joining my games when i'm not matchmaking?

[elfin hazel]

your party is likely open

[void bolt]

It's not bugged for me I'm shd 6.8k and I'm getting crap mods/gear so its def not bugged

[junior bear]

If there's no way to avoid the exploit other then not using part of the game it's a feature

[elfin hazel]

its not a feature its clearly a bug

[junior bear]

Is it new character to lvl 40?

[elfin hazel]

if you're going out of your way to use this bug you are exploiting it

[low lily]

So people who did new characters shouldn't use crafting at all? Till it's fixed. Also didn't resource convoys give like double xp for over a year, yet people still farmed that and that was okay.

[junior bear]

How, you can't avoid it if you make new char, so it's a feature

[elfin hazel]

say I made a new character just to craft god rolls that would be exploiting the bug

[junior bear]

No

That's just playing the game, it's not your fault it crafts grolls

[elfin hazel]

if I made a new character just to make a new character and that just happened then it wouldnt be exploiting it the bug would just happen

[dapper lark]

yes but we don't know if they changed it because of the new seasons coming, or it could just be a bug that new characters can. there hasn't been any communication. we just know "its bugged"

[scarlet plume]

no one is saying it is your fault, we are saying it isnt intentional

[junior bear]

That's for sure

But it's devs problems

[elfin hazel]

it is 100000000000000000% on me if I make a new character for the sole purpose to abuse a bug to my advantage

its up to the devs to fix and players not to abuse

[sour ferry]

Parties set to open. Also when you call for backup. Players can join to help you and get a boost to Shepherding.

[junior bear]

I made new char so I can get money from shd which is not shared so I can craft stuff

So I'm not abusing anything

[void bolt]

Yes convoys did but CP 4-5 directives is the way now

[umbral hearth]

im not sure how realiable of a bug it is either, since i just made my latest character a day after the update, and none of my mods are good when i craft

[junior bear]

You probably didn't do it right

For me it always work

[umbral hearth]

how could you not do it right….

[junior bear]

Idk you are the only person that happened to

[umbral hearth]

my bug is bugged 💀

[junior bear]

Gg ig

[lunar hare]

is your crafting station High end?

[whole flame]

So what new features or content is going to be in the expansion?

[lunar hare]

What expansion?

[whole flame]

Is any of that information released yet?

[scarlet plume]

Brooklyn

thats about as much as we know

[whole flame]

Yeah, but like, any new skills/variants, enemies, weapons, etc?

[scarlet plume]

Brooklyn, New York

[molten spire]

basically no

[lunar hare]

Nothing still.

[whole flame]

...hwut?

[scarlet plume]

we still dont know much yet

[spare cove]

Again, we don't know what's gonna be in the Brooklyn DLC. All we know that its releasing early next year. And I expect a deep dive into it around a month or two before its release.

[azure lintel]

Am I correct in assuming that all the bugs introduced in the latest patch while addressed, were not fixed during maintenance, and have no concrete date to be fixed, but the exploit that 5 people who watch Division Tubers are using is getting an emergency maintenance to be addressed immediately?

[zealous robin]

any one playing that wouldn't mind helping finish making a clan i just need 2 people to join they can leave after i just wana start doing the weekly stuff with a friend

[molten spire]

well given the amount of garbage builds that were clearly taken from a YouTuber of some flavor in matchmade Legendaries, I will be the pessimist and say that there are way more than 5 and society is toast

[umbral hearth]

oh man, the new explanation for seasonal characters makes it seem even worse

[molten spire]

even without a engineered viral pandemic

[umbral hearth]

and theyre doubling down on it and not getting rid of it

we’re fucked 🤷‍♂️

[elfin hazel]

why would they just toss something thats almost ready to go after likely a year or more of work

[spare cove]

If you expected them to completely remove it, you were gonna be disappointed.

[scarlet plume]

heartland

[umbral hearth]

yea like the control point bug

[elfin hazel]

a whole game is different from 1 update

[azure lintel]

or the xp bug? or the talent not working in descent bug

[scarlet plume]

ik just a slight bit of trolling :3

[umbral hearth]

i mean to be fair, they had several months to reconsider after the community outrage

[elfin hazel]

????

[azure lintel]

or like... FRAGILE ARMOR

[umbral hearth]

seasons 2.0 isnt until september right?

[spare cove]

October

[elfin hazel]

whenever next season is

[scarlet plume]

oh you mean HAVE several months not HAD

[umbral hearth]

yeaaaa but it seems like they arent going to reconsider at all, thats why i said had

[elfin hazel]

still 4 months is a small amount of time to toss something that has been on the road map for a long time and announced with a release date

[worn osprey]

Periodtttttttt 🫰

[molten spire]

to be fair, how long did it take for spec rework to go from "effectively on ice" to "dead because the project lead left Massive"?

[wide lotus]

welp looks like its the end of the road for me. looking at the blog. yea im not doing tht again. good luck agents

[umbral hearth]

thank god theres someone else who sees this

[azure lintel]

I personally give zero fucks about the seasons or seasonal characters, but the obvious sentiment amoung non-Massive nutriders is "season characters bad" and its the overwhelming majority opinion from what I can see. That being said, the chance of a Massive course correction on this issue is 0%

[elfin hazel]

the thing with spec rework is that it never was much other than its an idea we have !

it'll come eventually ™

[spare cove]

Didn't that game had a lot of bad impressions for those who played the closed beta?

[wide lotus]

all tht grinding was for nothing pretty much

[elfin hazel]

your expertise levels are still there

[spare cove]

You're talking as if they're removing Expertise in the main game

[wide lotus]

they bad thing is i heard after a season is over, u have to delete your seasonal character and make a new one ....

which ngl ..... i dont like

[umbral hearth]

yep, only 5 character slots, so if you wanna keep the character youve just releveled for no good reason, you have to delete something else

[umbral kite]

it's transfered to your main list from what i understood

[umbral hearth]

and you have to do this EVERY SINGLE SEASON

[umbral kite]

are they going to sell you more character slots 🤪

[wide lotus]

the gear n achiievements are not the character

[umbral hearth]

so every season you have to choose to delete a character to keep the seasonal character

[elfin hazel]

no

[umbral hearth]

whats the fucking point at that point

[scarlet plume]

tbh idk lol. im pretty hopeful for div 3 though, cuz if heartland is eluding to what is coming with div 3, then that means new movement mechanics possibly like sliding and/or other shit

[elfin hazel]

you delete the seasonal character

[wide lotus]

no u have to start a new character period.

[umbral hearth]

yes?

[umbral hearth]

so whats the fucking point?

[spare cove]

A: An additional character slot will be added to support Seasons 2.0, along with extra storage space. However, it is worth noting that no extra slots will be added for each individual Season.```

From the FAQ

[elfin hazel]

new ground to start on

new gear to grind new builds to make

[umbral hearth]

why couldnt that just be an optional choice?

[elfin hazel]

new content to try out with said new gear

not what they had in mind while making it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide lotus]

ALSo idk if u guys saw but theres not a new raid or incursion coming they said in this blog aswell

[junior bear]

Is new gear confirmed or what?

[umbral hearth]

why do i have to wait until the last two weeks of a season to engage with seasonal content on my main character?

[elfin hazel]

they want it to be a level playing field each season

[umbral kite]

yeah it's like in ARPG seasonal, you redo another char each time level it up to max, farm, etc... and at the end of the season it goes in your eternal/main realm

[elfin hazel]

not confirmed but theres always going to be new gear

[junior bear]

Cuz it's seasonal content for seasonal character?

[spare cove]

Wouldn't it be more practical for the devs to automatically delete the seasonal character whenever a new season arrives.

[wide lotus]

4 months for a season, non seaosn characters have two weeks to use new builds n etc n gear, xD yea okay

[azure lintel]

@elfin hazel To be fair, there's no reason to not think it's literally exactly as it is now, with generally lackluster items being introduced, but this time you get to start out at level 1, and spend the time leveling before you can use said lackluster items

[umbral hearth]

actual bullshit

[elfin hazel]

this is not surprising and fine actually

[real creek]

Ah yes seasonal characters that get deleted. Throw away characters lead you to feel like it's a throw away game after you've gotten the season done.

[umbral hearth]

swear all the mods in this server just absolutely love ubisoft and massive regardless of what their decisions are

[elfin hazel]

not really

[wide lotus]

man.... people keep comparing this game to diablo,,, man if we got the same amount of content as diablo we wouldnt be mad,

[elfin hazel]

it just doesn't make sense to work on something like an incursion or raid when the main focus likely is the DLC

[umbral hearth]

who has mentioned incursions or raids in this conversation lol

[spare cove]

Just because the mods are not angry at the devs over Seasons 2.0 doesn't mean they don't have feedback of their own.

[wide lotus]

i did

[elfin hazel]

the person I replied to with that message

[kind veldt]

Diablo has more replayability for base characters, this games doesnt have it, i havent seen how a seasonal modifier would work to improve replayability

[lunar hare]

.

[umbral hearth]

i dont care what their working on, seasonal characters are bullshit and just a way to waste players time and forcefully balance the game in a not efficient way

[worn osprey]

It feels like we’re being gaslighted (gaslit?)

“No no. Whatever you’re feeling is invalid and wrong. Everything is fine. Calm down.”

[lucid solar]

I want to put my head through a wall trying to get the Elmo

[umbral kite]

they just have to make seasons as interesting as what you get in PoE and other games that also does seasonal content, i'll be happy with that, we'll see

[full zinc]

ig you dont need a new raid or incursion if youre forced to drag your ass through some lame , forced level up, seasonal content

[umbral hearth]

thats what i was kinda inferring with my comment about the mods

[dapper lark]

yea, gaslit.

[umbral hearth]

oh same

[azure lintel]

Broken record, cause I spammed this enough last week, but Diablo is an ARPG, Division 2 is a looter shooter. Ubisoft doesn't understand the difference, and Massive doesn't care enough to educate them on the difference.

[lunar hare]

You were already wasting time in a GRIND game when you have several titles to play.

[elfin hazel]

I'd expect anything like raids or incursions after the DLC

not before

[dapper lark]

seasons are just the new BR, everythings gotta have it

[elfin hazel]

thats how live service games tend to be yeah

[lucid solar]

I’ve opened probably 30 exotic caches and have been running ars in countdown for like 20 hours now

[spare cove]

Whoever made the word Gaslighting popular has a lot to answer for.

Because jesus christ, that's not how the word works.

[umbral hearth]

lmao im not wasting time at the moment, im actually having a great time catching up on all the content ive missed, but i definitely dont want to do the 30-40 grind every few months to stay engaged with the story

[lunar hare]

not 30-40, 1-40.

[elfin hazel]

its 1-40 at a much faster pace

[umbral hearth]

id rather use my main character with the builds i have fun with than rebuild from the ground up

[umbral hearth]

thats not much better.

id argue thats worse

[lunar hare]

45 hours compared to 15 hours seasonal, that's better.

[elfin hazel]

idk why its not its own level system or just l40 but oh well we'll see if it changes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dapper lark]

same shit different bag.

[full zinc]

still doesnt sound good...

[umbral hearth]

because then again, whats the fucking point

[wide lotus]

xD Ubisoftt logic : ASKS for YEARS to get more stash space n more slots n gear , Ubisoft; Adds it behind a reset button every week u have to do n u dont get to keep anything on ur main character xD which means u cant even prep for it. smh

[azure lintel]

we already have seasons tho, the start at level 1 model is a thing ARPGs do and they do it for a reason, because they dramatically change the way you play the game each season with new builds, new skills reworks or existing skills, new items item reworks. Division just has items. its just the loot there are no classes there are no class builds...

[scarlet plume]

with a main character you feel a sense of accomplishment with the grind because the progression is permanent. why would you feel anything with the seasonal, just knowing that your entire character will be gone next season and you will have to start from scratch playing a new 1-40 experience, when the only thing you actually want to play is the endgame...

[umbral hearth]

like id be okay with the decision if it was OPTIONAL to use seasonal characters, like how you use hardcore characters

[spare cove]

I feel like it'd make more sense to have Seasons 2.0 play a level 40 seasonal character.

[umbral hearth]

id maybe do it once just to try it, but its not something i want to keep doing in the long term

[wide lotus]

kidna sucks, looks like imma have to wait for a div 3 then.... ill start over then not rn

[lunar hare]

heya local!

[solar spoke]

hello everyone, just came back to the and am giga lost, any tips?

[worn osprey]

It really is. I know the definition. The word was popularized by the 1944 movie “Gaslight”. In which the main character was manipulated, slowly, into insanity by the antagonist who changed small details about her life unbeknownst to her while lying to her about it.

[wide lotus]

dont do anything wait for seasons 2.0 atp xD

[azure lintel]

I'm 100% on board with the seasonal model if humongous changes were happening to specializations, the way the game is played, etc etc etc. I wouldn't even be mad leveling, but I'm sorry but Massive is just not up to the task to do all that work. It's seasons as we have them now, but you start at level 1.

[lunar hare]

wait 3-4 years?

[solar spoke]

when is that

[wide lotus]

september,

[spare cove]

Best ask your question in #ask-td2-community. This channel is a mess

[junior bear]

I mean you can just ignore the season stuff if you don't care or play a different game in meantime

[elfin hazel]

^^^^

[wide lotus]

everything u have rn, for the most part null n void in september so ye

[lunar hare]

I mean, this is a very interesting option

[elfin hazel]

but its not though

[solar spoke]

wait what why xD

[full zinc]

the reason people grind this game is to have a decked out agent... i definitely dont like the idea of seasonal content locked to new agent grind... im just more likely to skip the content and play something else at that point and come back when everything gets added to teh regular pool

[real creek]

Idk about you guys but I'm struggling to see how seasons 2.0 is going to make the game more enjoyable or fun. Like I wanna see the greener grass but maybe I'm missing something.

[junior bear]

I'm waiting for more information on why I should play seasonal character over farming more gear on main

No reason as of now

[wide lotus]

bsaically they are adding season characters n everyone is starting at level 1 again long story short

[umbral hearth]

its only driving me away ngl

i genuinely cannot see how people are defending it

[lunar hare]

I'm looking for alternatives and this one being the most viable.

[elfin hazel]

some people just don't see it as the end of the world ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar spoke]

oh I see, so might aswell just wait

[wide lotus]

im sorry i play a game to get away from my job not make it feel like one. n especially now with seasonal characters xD

[scarlet plume]

🤷 and people are talking about the "new builds!!" when in reality you're most likely going to have a build that is super effective for the seasonal modifier, and then once it goes to your main character, its completely worthless

[spare cove]

Don't listen to the guy. He's trying to gaslight you

[elfin hazel]

seasonal characters are just for story stuff you can do whatever you want atm with your main

[wide lotus]

not gaslighthing him

[elfin hazel]

which is why you have the option not to take it to your main character

[solar spoke]

so is it worth it playing on my main or am I losing everything

[real creek]

I just don't see the good/fun in it. I wanna but like I said maybe I'm missing something.

[wide lotus]

wht point does farming new gear rn have ? if everyone is startiong level 1 in september?

[elfin hazel]

I don't see the good in it either I just don't agree with it being the death of the game or somehow a moneymaking scheme

[worn osprey]

Bless your heart.

[umbral kite]

the base game doesn't disappear, you aren't forced to play seasonal

[full zinc]

do whatever you want minus any seasonal gear that might be interesting in your builds...

[elfin hazel]

because thats only if you use seasonal characters which you're completely allowed not to

[spare cove]

You can still play your main character

[elfin hazel]

they haven't said if new gear is locked to seasonal characters AFAIK

[umbral hearth]

i dont see it as the end, but its stupid

[spare cove]

Once again, misunderstandings and misinformation gets through

[scarlet plume]

i dont know why i would take any of the gear then. im sure people have builds that they use only for certain global events, seasonal builds sounds like that but even worse because the seasonal modifier wont even be available outside of your seasonal character it sounds like

[reef reef]

it seems like a good ol "how do we keep our players playing the game" but i dont see it as a "people will stop playing entirely" kinda problem so far

[wide lotus]

-_- so locking season content, manhunt, gear, behind a 3 and a half month reset button is okay xD

[worn osprey]

You can’t play seasonal content on your main character until the final 2 weeks of the season. Hawkster is leaving those details out.

[real creek]

Oh yeah I don't see it as the death of the game at all. #1 thing I don't like is splitting seasonal/non seasonal. That's a must but it just feels like a bad move for the future of the game.

[solar spoke]

so with honesty, do u guys recommend me playing rn

[spare cove]

Well, I'm sorry that I don't want the FNG to stop playing because some of y'all are in full rage mode

[umbral kite]

u'll get the seasonal content on main after the season end

[elfin hazel]

yes

[wide lotus]

not really tbh

[spare cove]

Yes

[wide lotus]

2 weeks nahh i wont

[real creek]

LFG post gonna be looking like LF2M raid 1k SHD SEASONAL ONLY

[molten spire]

I mean, you already paid for the game and presumably are already out of the refund window...

[real creek]

Do et.

[ebon steeple]

So do we gotta do the seasonal character to lvl up the battle pass?

[scarlet plume]

plenty of enjoyment to get out of the game currently, you can see in a few months if you like season 2.0, and if not, you can always take your leave

[wide lotus]

4 month season only have two weeks to play with new things

[worn osprey]

Well omitting information is a form of misinformation so… 🤷‍♂️

[elfin hazel]

at the moment we still don't have enough info to outright say abandon ship etc etc

[elfin hazel]

we don't know

[elfin hazel]

I doubt it but I also hope not

[timber hatch]

The thing everyone is currently freaking out over is still 4+ months away

[dapper lark]

if its like diablo 4, yes

[molten spire]

it's said that leveling the seasonal character = leveling the battle pass, but the specifics will likely only be known with PTS or when it goes live

[ebon steeple]

Shooting themselves in the foot then, nobodies gonna wanna buy the battle pass

[worn osprey]

Also FNG is considered derogatory. No personal attacks.

[molten spire]

knowing the track record of them just shipping the PTS, most probably you'll know with PTS

[real creek]

Probably level the season and stop there...

[elfin hazel]

good thing the battle pass is free then

[whole scroll]

Is anyone getting the Bravo-04 error?

[dapper lark]

for now (input doom posting)

[elfin hazel]

a lot of people it seems no clue whats causing it

[solar spoke]

I guess il try the game again, any tips on what to do? or guides yall recommend me

[molten spire]

you know I wonder how many people actually were paying for premium track out of the belief that you had to, based on how mad people have been ever since the Ubisoft Forward

[ebon steeple]

Premium track is and its the only track with anything worthwhile

[elfin hazel]

should be fixed with tommorows maintenance hopefully

[wide lotus]

id say if u want exotic go ahead but actually meaningful progressiuon it wont matter too much tbh in sept.

[real creek]

Play the story and when you hit 40 ask again. DO NOT YOUTUBE

[elfin hazel]

probably a lot of the vocal amount

[solar spoke]

I am 40

I just ahvent played in years

[real creek]

Ahhh gotcha

[elfin hazel]

pins of #ask-td2-community and #td2-build-advice aren't bad places to look for what to do

[scarlet plume]

i think a lot of people would agree that a good way to start is to farm for a DPS build. probably an average striker + coyote's mask build

[half laurel]

How long is left of season ? Saw someone with season Track items.. And they looked amazing D: . Made it to 61 (without the season pass). Will i have time to finish it if i buy season pass now ?

[solar spoke]

I have a build atm

idk if its good or not

[ebon steeple]

It's only been a week

[half laurel]

Striker is so sexy to get going <3.

[elfin hazel]

several months

[scarlet plume]

send a pic of it in #td2-build-advice

[real creek]

Updating it might be smart. I'd move to #ask-td2-community cause this chat is going brrrr and you can post images of your build if you want.

[sterile ferry]

This season just started like a week or two ago. Theres like 10+ left

[real creek]

Would advise against build advice for the time being tho.

[umbral kite]

18 weeks

[real creek]

You aren't looking to min max but get on track.

[scarlet plume]

to get on track he would need a good build, which he isnt sure if he has, which is why i asked him to send a pic.

[timber hatch]

The premium track just has cosmetics...

[solar spoke]

@scarlet plume what should I screenshot

my inventory or my stats

[scarlet plume]

both

[real creek]

As a sweaty build advice bro, they might get bombarded in build advice...

[scarlet plume]

you might be right

[real creek]

You don't need the stats page.

[spare cove]

Ngl, I did buy the premium track for this season so I can get Agent Yeong-Ja apparel pieces.

And I'm excited for Crossroads apparel event next week

[vital aspen]

I just pushed a new character to level 40 but my workbench still only has purple stuff!! How can I fix this?

[dapper lark]

also a bug

[real creek]

Look on the bottom left of the crafting UI, if anything is red get those mats/credits and reopen the bench. Should ask you to upgrade.

[scarlet plume]

yeah and it was worth the 10 bucks tbh i love the outfit

[vital aspen]

Ah thanks!!

[whole flame]

I hope we get new skills or even returning skills from div1. Like I really miss the little ammo station.

[wide lotus]

idk how people can sit there n be okay with grinding the same things over n over again. for new content tht i can almost guarantee wont be better then the old things , when has massive ever brought out a new exotic or gear tht feels as powerful as striker does? xD

[whole scroll]

i completly closed/quit out of Ubisoft Connect on my PC and reopened the game, that somehow fixed it

[spare cove]

You mean the support station 😛

[kind veldt]

Ouro,heartbreaker, elmo?

Don like seasonal, but gear variety has been hit and miss

[junior bear]

@timber hatch when we playing incursion again?

[timber hatch]

I'm going out of town this weekend so not sure

[junior bear]

Oof

Ok

[molten spire]

the current state of Striker is probably a major contributor to the seasonal gimmick they're going with

especially as enough people use Striker as a crutch that they won't take a Hunter axe to it like they did Tip of the Spear

[junior bear]

Huh

Do we know seasonal gimmick?

[spare cove]

I've been playing Hunter's Fury lately. It may not be a meta like Striker, but it's been fun to play with.

[molten spire]

Season 2.0 characters will level from 1-40 and beyond with a new progression system integrated with the manhunt narrative

also seasonal modifiers to how the game works

[junior bear]

So we don't

[molten spire]

in blunter terms the gear team has cornered themselves with gimmicks that don't work and one option that is too strong especially compared to the time needed to farm and optimize, hence the idea to lock you into a new progression experienced with the gear and power they want you to have

[kind veldt]

Nope

[sterile scaffold]

Just me or is the AA-12 somehow missing shots even at point blank? I swear I have pellets just going through enemies instead of actually hitting them

I'll see tiny chips of damage taken off one shot but the next will do a load like it should

[kind veldt]

First im hearing of that

[sterile scaffold]

I see it happen any time I pick it up in Decent so idk what's up with it

That and the heal trap is broken in decent and just doesn't work

[spare cove]

Maybe a bug with the game mode, I guess?

I usually use Super 90 in terms of shotguns in Descent

[sterile scaffold]

Yeah I like to grab that one too

That and usually an LMG

[spare cove]

Classic M60, my beloved

[sterile scaffold]

The Hog never tires

Especially with Incessant Chatter

[kind veldt]

Cant imagine any seasonal modifier that can justify all this

[whole scroll]

im currently level 17 on my main char, I made a second char and boosted it to 30 to access the specializations. Once my main char gets to level 30 without using a boost, will it have access to the default 3 year 1 specializations?

[spare cove]

I'm still keeping an open mind till I see the seasonal modifiers.

[spare cove]

Yes.

[pastel badger]

NEW RAID, PLEASE!!!! T-T

[junior bear]

no new raid

[rancid adder]

anyone else experiencing ubisoft service issues?

[spare cove]

I don't know if they'll actually add a new Raid. The time committment to do an 8 group activity with heavy mechanics haven't found much ground

[spare cove]

Bravo 4? Yeah, close the game, then open it again

[dapper lark]

well they said they had no intention of a raid or incursion, so don't hold your breath really.

[rancid adder]

yes, i reopened it once already, ill try again

[pastel badger]

I understand that but it has been the same 2 raids for 4 years

[rare vapor]

i thought a new incursion is in development

[pastel badger]

A new incursion is cool too

[hybrid ore]

Paradise Lost was called "the first" or a similar term.
So odds are good.

[spare cove]

But they said like right now. And considering the fact they're still developing the DLC, I doubt they'll make time to developing a new Incursion before the DLC releases

[hybrid ore]

I don't believe they have said "no" to either thing. Where is this info where they said a definitive no?

[spare cove]

Kinda wish we get a name for the Brooklyn DLC right now.

[dapper lark]

damn and then there was ff14 and ff16 making 2 dlcs and a game at the same time.. no crumbs for us at the division p-q

[spare cove]

In the Seasons 2.0 FAQ

[dapper lark]

its not a no. its just a "we have no intentions rn"

[hybrid ore]

That does read to me more for that specific Season, but I guess we'll see.

[dapper lark]

they could pull some scaps from the depth and make it something down the line, who knows.

[hybrid ore]

Balancing an Incursion on top of special Season levelling and gear sounds...complex.

[spare cove]

Eh, not gonna rack my brain trying to speculate what's gonna happen next year.

I'm just trying to live in the moment

[pastel badger]

I was talking to my buddys and i was thinking about a raid where the final boss fight is in a submarine

[dapper lark]

nah, give us a giant metal frog. 🙂

[hybrid ore]

"agent used gun in the submarine, it's too effective"

[kind veldt]

we ace combat now

[zealous robin]

i really wish there wasnt a need to have 4 poeple start a clan

[nocturne frigate]

why is dark zone utter sht in endgame? before wony i loved playing the darkzone, but after wony its all god tier builds who camp extraction

ntm loot is horrible

i could get better loot from running open world

and open world is more fun

[kind veldt]

because it's PVP for people who dont want balanced PVP matches

[nocturne frigate]

so why was dark zone so fun before lvl 40. what changed?

how does matchmaking work

is lvl 1-30 darkzone like serparated?

ergh ubi removing the barrier from upgrading form lvl 30 to 40 is so annoying

because i was seriously considering starting a new character thats only lvl 30 for dark zone before i realized thats not possible anymore

[kind veldt]

it was the same

[nocturne frigate]

i remember players being much more friendly when i was lvl 30 playing darkzone

[kind veldt]

you only had a short time on game release before there was a hard coded meta so everyone could just stomp everyone not using meta

[nocturne frigate]

or at least there werent as many rogue agents or extraction campers

[kind veldt]

it was the same, DZ problems are human problems you cant fix

[nocturne frigate]

eh nostalgia must be corrupting my memory or smth

still dz is a hellhole

[timber hatch]

People kept min/maxing their builds and getting better

[loud crane]

How do you target loot? Just hit 40 and am getting "targeted loot" but no idea where to set it

[spare cove]

Use the Hold H button when your cursor is on Countdown or Summit

[loud crane]

Does that then carry into open world?

[spare cove]

No. Targeted Loot in the Open World change on a daily basis

[civic ridge]

Open world will have it's own targeted loot by area and mission (there is a key on map to check, mine is R, not sure if it is default)

[spare cove]

It's default

[fiery cloud]

Hey Raucey

[lapis junco]

because this is a build based game that relies on having good builds.

I am sick of people complaining about PVP as if they should just step into the DZ and immediately be untouchable

you need time to make hte right builds and there how to play

you cant just expect to go in with whatever build and be fine

[desert plume]

Sooo, I've read the FAQ. Is it me only or, but I am still not taking their seasonal characters positively. I am so against it really. It's also a little off that there are only two weeks on a main and 13 weeks on a seasonal basically

[lapis junco]

Alot of people are against it. including myself

[desert plume]

Idk to me it feels like a waste

For developers as well. I mean imagine the bugs and issues

they cannot handle the seasons now, imagine when they introduce that

I agree that they need to work on a seasons, to be much more interesting, but like this nah

[lapis junco]

We shall have to see how it plays out cuz I dont see them going back on it

[kind veldt]

They would have needed to rework so much stuff

[desert plume]

Also expertise for a seasonal is gone, there's gonna be a watch only. Ehh, I so don't like this idea

[fluid meadow]

If you can't resist it, enjoy it.
Maybe not so good of a quote

[rigid wedge]

so the qna released

Guess what people (and myself) aren't changing our minds about it

[lapis junco]

yea not a great quote but theres basically nothing we can do about it now. the new FAQ thing seems to be set on seasonal characters. All we can do is hope for the best

[desert plume]

true

It sucks

[kind veldt]

Well seeing gear go from grey to yellow again is not the part i like of the game

[desert plume]

Because I gotta swallow their shit

And me as a veteran, how to stop playing it?

I just cannot say ''okay, i won't play this bullshit'', when I'm addicted to this game

[lapis junco]

Im mostly curious to what its gonna do to PVP. I really cant see many people playing the seasonal DZ's

[kind veldt]

At least i will be busy thinking about elden ring the next few days and xdefiant later

[hollow hill]

With the FAQ release, they basically confirmed our worst fears. However tho, I noticed ONE small bit: "Non-seasonal characters will continue to have access to all existing game content, including both WONY and the upcoming DLC. Right now, there are no intentions to introduce another Incursion or Raid."

^^ this means we can swap back at any time, yes?

[lapis junco]

Yes you can

[forest vine]

Ooph, that Seasons 2.0 blog post is good in that it has a lot more info, but lordy be what an awful mess of trying to turn a looter-shooter into a seasonal ARPG 5+ years after launching the sequel in the series.

[kind veldt]

I mean yes, they never denied that, its mostly nothing new to do unless you want to restart

[fluid meadow]

Honestly it might be interesting.
If they use the div 1 dz brackets

[forest vine]

Shame that we can't even leave negative reviews on the Ubi store, just complain on Discord and Reddit and other socials and hope that Massive/Ubi are actually reading/paying attention/able to change course but prob not.

[hollow hill]

GOOD. I can live with being allowed to go back at any time I please. As long as I'm not forced to play their new manhunt bullshit, I'm gonna stay

[desert plume]

It was mentioned many times, the same thing you've said. And I wonder how many times we need to repeat. I guess they don't understand that

[lapis junco]

yea changing the whole trajectory of a already old game is a weird choice to make

[lapis junco]

Im not hopeful. esp with balance already being wack

but we shall see lol

[hollow hill]

I'll play the new seasons when I'm bored with dark zone lmao

[lapis junco]

thats the only saving grace of it for me. If that didnt exist id just quit.

[hollow hill]

Don't worry, that's EXACTLY the choice I would've made too if it wasn't optional

[forest vine]

I'm curious what kind of modifiers they're thinking of for seasons because I'm unsure what on earth they could actually implement that would meaningfully open up new builds or change up the game. And based on the rollout of this announcement, don't have high confidence that they're cookin something delish.

[desert plume]

Also, what are these Climax missions? Is that only the difficulty

[lapis junco]

it does suck to miss out on newer stuff but I cannot farm like that aynmore lol. do not have the time

[hollow hill]

Usually climax missions are where the end of the "story" happens

[desert plume]

''Additionally, only non-seasonal characters will have access to Legacy Manhunts.'' I can bet this wasn't in their plan at first. They did this just to calm community lol. Like you can use your main here no worries

[forest vine]

Sounds like the final mission of the season, I imagine like the final manhunt now? It's so weird we get to bring our mains back for that one mission for a few weeks rofl.

[fluid meadow]

I mean are acosta knees that good in pvp?

[hollow hill]

They have to keep the legacy manhunts because of the locked skills to the legacy manhunts

[desert plume]

Oh right

[fluid meadow]

Because it seems the newer exotics are more pvp geared

[desert plume]

I forgot about that lol

[lapis junco]

They are not

[lapis junco]

Poorly done but yea the shotgun and kneepads seem more PVP focused

[desert plume]

exact two weeks -.-

[hollow hill]

Acosta knees, ass. New shotgun, yeah some of the dz pvp players found it nasty when paired with sledgehammer

Very niche use tho

[desert plume]

13 weeks on a seasonal two weeks on a main , though, you can go back to your main and play raids, incursions, etc.

in any time

But yeah, I can bet that most of the people will play the seasonal one

[lunar hare]

15*

[hollow hill]

I can live with that as long as I'm not forced to play the new shit before I can go back to my main

[void parrot]

division 2 is done this season 2.0 will kill the game off fact

[forest vine]

I don't get why our mains can even come over to the seasonal server at the end of the season. It makes it seem like that's possible the whole time and they're just forcing us to level fresh characters because they need to improve R E T E N T I O N and E N G A G E M E N T or something.

[desert plume]

literally

It's not that I'm gonna feel something better if I start all over again, like a fresh beginning

[kind veldt]

i like division because i can take long breaks

[forest vine]

Real curious what's gonna happen with the Brooklyn DLC in light of all this and how that'll take shape. I never really understood that DLC being announced to begin with.

[kind veldt]

it's an expansion

new map zone to have new stuff in it

so it's "not repetitive" same way WONY was on launch

[forest vine]

Potayto potahto, still not sure why they're doing it and it makes no sense to me to ship an expansion 5 years after the last one.

Feels way too late when we know they're already looking towards TD3.

[agile pendant]

i'll skip it if season 2 changes are pushed

[lunar hare]

Not true at all.

[agile pendant]

not rewarding ubidumb, they dont deserve tom clancy license

[mental comet]

TD3 isn’t coming for a long time

[desert plume]

Apart from DLC, nothing new is coming other than modifiers, etc. (sounds like a global event from The Division 1 at this point). Just make Global Events more interesting then. Maybe I'm wrong

[rigid wedge]

they are not backing down from changing anything

[kind veldt]

i cant think of a modifier big enough to interest me

[forest vine]

hey now, we'll get more story and retcons and "somehow, XYZ survived you killing them!"

[rigid wedge]

they really want it to be diablo rn

[forest vine]

built a game in the wrong damned genre to do that, lol

[desert plume]

''The main objective of Seasons 2.0 is to ensure that all players can participate in endgame content on a level playing field, as well as allowing us to fine-tune the experience based on more controlled progression''. But then again, you've said that we will use the power of our main character during the Intermission. How that makes sense now

[rigid wedge]

season 2.0 makes no sense

the game was better without it

[desert plume]

They need to fine tune which is hard

[forest vine]

I'm not even sure why we need a "level playing field" rofl. Will they add ladders to support racing even? There's no in-game economy even which is a huge reason for seasonal resets in games that do it, rofl.

[desert plume]

There's no in-game economy even which is a huge reason for seasonal resets in games that do it

exactly

Literally makes zero sense for them to do it

The thing is, they will still do it

[forest vine]

R E T E N T I O N and E N G A G E M E N T aare the only thing I can think of that makes any sense. Massive team was given specific targets to hit with impossible budgets (i.e. basically none) and timelines, this is the only thing that's remotely feasible for them to execute given the staff, budget, and time they have. I'm not inclined to blame this all on "DEVS DUMB AND BAD", some does seem to be bad dev decisions but I'd bet a lot that this is also pressure from above (especially given that Massive's Avatar game didn't meet performance targets and it wouldn't be surprising if the Star Wars game saw a similar fate, Ubi's forecasts are usually absurd).

[kind veldt]

i mean seasons 2.0 were announced more than an year ago

we just didnt know what it was implied

[forest vine]

That's not exactly a long runway for something like this, especially given production on an expansion and other projects that a smaller team is working on. Announcing that they were working on plans and having those plans in place so you can execute on them often require a bridge to connect the two.

[kind veldt]

adding the time of announcement until it hit us, it's closer to two years of developtment for seasons 2.0

[nocturne frigate]

"immediately be untouchable" dawg i just want there to be some skill involved at least.

[forest vine]

If this is the result of two years of development then this is way worse for Massive/Ubi, because either they're working with smaller teams and tigther budgets than expected or they're misreading the pulse of the community this badly.

[lapis junco]

There is. When your build is in order youll find that out

[desert plume]

I agree and I see your point. But once again, it makes zero sense. No matter how much I read and no matter how much I try to stay positive, it truly makes zero sense whatsoever. Yeah, I didn't say anything bad when it comes to developers of this game, but they seem to be extremely happy and open to all of this which sucks

[kind veldt]

for PVP you need ot have almost perfect build to first get in the DZ otherwise there is no point

[nocturne frigate]

ill come back in 200 days when i have a god tier build

[lapis junco]

ive been farmed by people with the exact same build as me

ive farmed people with the same build as me

[lapis junco]

It really doesnt take that long. alot of PVP builds are similar to PVE builds so youll basically be farming both at the same time

[nocturne frigate]

still needs quite a bit to get a god tier build

[lapis junco]

try out an umbra build. very easy to farm

can probably be done in 2 hours

[nocturne frigate]

ill try it out

once im done with invaded dua

[lapis junco]

4 umbra with chest, fenris and ceska. Use big horn or Eagle and a famas

backpack talent really doesnt matter much. adrush or vigi works

[kind veldt]

Eh... Getting a big horn might be doable in 2h, eagle might take a lot longer

well obviously a matter of luck

[lapis junco]

their not requirements. the famas is fine, BH and eagle will defo take longer

BH is the most ideal IMO, free HSD when your already at 200+ CHD

[modest lintel]

U dont need max gear nor max attributes to be able to compete in dz. As long as u have the right build for dz environment and that suit your style, u should be able to play in dz.

[lapis junco]

just dont expect to be good right away. it takes some time

[modest lintel]

Hopefully in div 3, dz would go back to one large chunk map! This 3 maps failed as it was initially intended. But i still do dz in div 2

[kind veldt]

i think i'm gonna write a giant wall of text later of how spec revamp could have saved the seasonal character approach

well i's guaranteed PVP for people wanting more PVP, kinda changes the DZ from "possibility of PVP" to "i'll wreck your ass agent"

[modest lintel]

Had way more fun in dz when it was in div 1. Running and chasing from bottom to top of dz…just me i guess

[iron storm]

Season 25, *drops a Nuclear Bomb on Natalya Sokolova, leaving nothing alive or standing. with a massive crater.

Season 40 Us: Somehow Natalya Sokolova Returned.

[small plume]

The more I read about this seasonal character bullshit, the more sad I get, man.

For a moment, after reading a little bit, I thought that only new gear and itens would be locked behind seasonal characters, I was like "Well, ok, that's fine I guess".

But reading a little bit more about that Manhunt 2.0 thing, new manhunt and story progression is also locked behind seasonal characters.

Does that even make sense for gameplay standpoint and storywise?

Ngl, the disappointment is real.

[iron storm]

now youre seeing why the entire comunity is up in arms against this garbage system proposal for a game 6 years into its life.

[tender wave]

The vocal part is, sure, the rest of us are willing to wait and see and give it a chance before we judge it

[kind veldt]

Well they better have some 5 aces in a sleeve hidden to convince me

[rigid wedge]

they won't have 5 aces

[timber hatch]

thats a negative for the bighorn since HSD and CHD are both additive together

[nocturne frigate]

are blockaded settlements just not a thing anymore?

[full zinc]

they are, at least last i knew they were. just doesnt matter if something is under blockade

[small plume]

Me too, I'll probably see how this shit is, but I surely will uninstall the game after the season end, or even before.

[azure lintel]

Idk what the devs are trying to gain out of this

I hope they see its a bad idea

[small plume]

Maybe trying to lose, actually, maybe they are planning to lose players on purpose to close the servers.

[azure lintel]

Oh well breakpoint still exists

[small plume]

True.
Maybe it's just Ubisoft being rebarbed, as ever.

They are killing For Honor, and now they are killing TD2.

I doubt they would take such poor decisions with games like R6.

[azure lintel]

If all shit hits the fan we all hop back in destiny 2

[small plume]

I'll hop on Tekken 8.

[azure lintel]

W

[kind veldt]

What did they do to for honor?

[junior bear]

Some weird balance changes or heros iirc

[whole flame]

Yeah i really miss the support station, it really helped me through firefights. I loved that thing.

[void bolt]

Yeah same

[small plume]

Every character is becoming the same, some characters does too much, others does too little, unnecessary reworks (like Lawbringer's) and a lot more.

Not to mention they take YEARS to solve problems like... slow down the cast speed of some feats or fix ridiculous stuffs like Shinobi shogunning you with his Shurikens.

[molten spire]

I mean they are trying given the backlash to the latest premium subscription plan

but given that both Div 2 and Siege are supposedly considered comeback games maybe they're not that upset if either sink after an initial recovery

like 9 years of Siege updates and 5 years of post-expansion Div 2 stuff is very much old timey subscription only MMO type of support

[nocturne frigate]

no ever since the update ive had none of my setttlemnts blockaded

man just running invaded missions on normal is carthartic

who cares if the loot sucks

its entertaining af lmao

[hybrid ore]

@zealous robin You're looking for #td2-clan-recruitment

[zealous robin]

not realy?

i just need 2 people 2 sign and leave

not stay

[hybrid ore]

Doesn't matter, no LFG's in this chat.

[zealous robin]

lol

k

[hollow hedge]

hey what happened to the recruiter outfit

got removed?

[hybrid ore]

Was very time limited on initial release, I think the one added today was a mistake as no advertising for it.

[hollow hedge]

hard yikes

was so hyped for it tho

missed it in the first time

[hybrid ore]

It looks a little different ingame compared to the Manhunt images. There's enough shots of it online/likely over in #divashion too if you want to see.

[full zinc]

i haven't noticed, probably not intentional tho.

[umbral hearth]

i dont think so, theres a news segment for it

[hollow hedge]

mine got removed on both news segment and pause menu

[kind veldt]

I think tweetted the costume again

[umbral hearth]

weird

i really wanted to pick it up

[smoky meteor]

God I forgot how much I love the Honey Badger... It's so fun.

[hollow hill]

Wait I can get recruiter right now??

[quick hazel]

Unsure. It’s on the title screen, but many are reporting it’s not in the store, some are reporting it’s on the store exclusives.

[hollow hill]

I'm hoping I can pick it up because I really wanted that one and hoping it comes with the cloak too

[quick hazel]

I’ve been liking the apparel. It’s the only one that has a nice cover on the back of the characters neck. Great for the Umbrella Mask, or Theo mask w/Third Echelon hat

[smoky meteor]

I'm not seeing the Recruiter set ingame right now.

[hollow hill]

I'm gonna check on my end

[fiery slate]

it's under outfits

[hollow hill]

Price?

[small spear]

around $20

[hollow hill]

Shit better come with the cloak

[smoky meteor]

I see Last Resort, Veiled Tactics, Nexus, Escalation, Resident Evil, Necessary Tactus, and Dark Path. And it's not under any of those.

Wait... My meds are actually working... I missed the whole scroll bar on that...

[hybrid ore]

Recruiter Outfit is 2 separate versions, 1 with the poncho cloak, 1 without.

plus there's also a plain black Mask.

[hollow hedge]

nvm i saw it

it is under outfit

[quick hazel]

Is it not like back then where you purchase the mask and you get both outfits?

[hollow hedge]

bruh my dumb ass thought its on limited bundle

[spare cove]

If the Recruiter outfit is on the Store Exclusives, does that mean it's permanently available?

[lapis junco]

What else are gonna use in a PvP context. Ig ouro?

[fiery slate]

I imagine it isn;t if they said it’s available for a limited time.

[nocturne frigate]

best div 2 music?

[azure lintel]

in base game, the tidal basin theme when youre blowing up the helicopters. in Wony Dragov and Kajika boss music.

not opinion, those are factually the best tunes 🙂

[timber hatch]

Ouro is hard to beat but tbh with umbra I would prefer something with a larger mag size since a lot of your damage is coming from that rpm boost, having more damage per mag would be helpful

Kingbreaker, f2000, EB, or Elmo's would probably be my choice

[azure lintel]

RPK tho

[hollow hill]

At that rate, go with iron lung

I usually run my umbra builds with EB/RPK with strained or Iron Lung/Famas with optimist

[azure lintel]

I am a strained RPK enjoyer

[hollow hill]

It's super nice, just difficult to keep the crit chance up enough without sacrificing crit damage

[quick hazel]

The one in Countdown during extraction, with the drum tom toms.

[quick hazel]

I love the Dragov music!

[unreal crypt]

So for seasonal characters, does this mean that new gear sets, brand sets, named, exotics etc etc will all be locked behind seasonal characters until the “Intermission” when our main characters can join the fray?