td2-general-chat

[violet wedge]

It doesn't really matter. If they wanted it, it would have happened. There's much bigger and more complicated games out there in the same genre who pulled it off

[elfin hazel]

it really does matter its not just a switch

[violet wedge]

Ultimately it comes down to the amount of resources they have and how they wanna use them

[deep flare]

@violet wedge Exactly, the problem is Ubi here. They don't want to support the game properly and treat it like the child that they never seen going that far but still don't love him

[elfin hazel]

there would be a TON of work involved to make sure it goes flawlessly

[hollow hill]

Well, with division using Easy Anti cheat and how "well" it works, I can see a vast majority of the playerbase turning it off in their settings when they have a cheater on PC wreck them in pvp or take all the kills in PvE

[elfin hazel]

and for making crosssave a thing you would want it to be flawless

you'd have to make sure every save file across every platform somehow doesn't break at all that theres no lost items or corrupted saves that the servers could handle it etc etc so on and so on

[violet wedge]

I think they are only waiting for TD3 to release before they kick this game off the cliff

[hollow hill]

I can't imagine all the backups they'd have to make 🤢🤢🤢

[elfin hazel]

yes its possible but its nowhere near worth the effort for what is ultimately a smaller game and not a cashcow like R6 or as they see it XDefiant

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Nobody has said that crossplay was just a switch. But Just maybe if you weren't focusing on Heartland just so you can cancel it 3 years after the start of the development, you could've have focused the resources on Div 2 and things that matters.

[elfin hazel]

heartland was a completely seperate dev studio

resources going to heartlands was seperate from resources going to this game

same with resurgeance

hell knowing this games downtimes this chat would become a nightmare because that maintenance night would 1000000% be at least a day or more

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Redstrom worked on division franchise. The budget you're allocating on Heartland could've been used to focus on Div2 by allocating more dev time, not take all the massive's dev for avatar and Star wars for example.

[elfin hazel]

they stopped working on the div franchise a long long time ago

several years before heartlands

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel What are you talking about, they were actively working on Division heartland

[elfin hazel]

as I said before heartlands they weren't working on it for a few years

[violet wedge]

Especially when they plan on supporting TD2 for at least 2 more years. Doesn't make any sense. It seems like Ubisoft has already lost all hope for TD2 and put everyone onto TD3. Ubisoft Massive has been working on Avatar and Star Wars, but since these games are finished they'd have more than enough resources to add crossplay to TD2. They seem to have actively decided against this and assigned most of people on TD3 instead

[elfin hazel]

sometime after the gear level 515 in the DZ debacle happened they weren't working on 2 anymore IIRC

nobody is on TD3 yet as outlaws isn't out yet

the executive producer for the division brand isn't working on anything div related until just a bit after outlaws comes out

div3 probably isn't coming out until like late 2026 early 2027 at the earliest

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Not want to be the guy that insists but Redstorm have been working on Heartland and Resurgence but mostly heartland. They were the primary studio on it. But anyway

[elfin hazel]

they've never listed who is making resurgence afaik and again as I said BEFORE heartlands was being worked on/announced

[deep flare]

You can allocate budget for games that you want to support. For me they didn't want to support fully div 2 and branch out for more lucrative games even in the division franchise world (Heartland, Resurgence etc...).

And that's the main reason, for seasonal characters imo, more profit for new incoming afflux of players (at least that's what they think)

[violet wedge]

It was Redstorm which also worked on the TD games. Mainly on the PvP portion of them. It was also in developement hell from what I heard months before it got canceled. It's for the best they haven't released it. I seen the game. It was basically a new game mode for TD2, but they tried to make it a whole new separate game. It was using 90% of TD2s assets. You wouldn't even be able to tell a difference between TD2 and Heartlands if you would see a side-to-side comparison

[elfin hazel]

reusing assets is not a bad thing actually

[violet wedge]

Yeah, but that game was using too many assets from TD2. It was basically TD2 with a different name to it

[elfin hazel]

why waste time making new stuff that serves the exact same purpose as something that works more than perfectly fine

[violet wedge]

It could have been easily added to TD2 as a game mode

[elfin hazel]

I doubt that

you seem to overestimate how easy some things can be done

[violet wedge]

I seen it. Some people who also experienced it said the same thing lol

I was more than happy they canceled it. The backlash would have been huge if that thing released

[deep flare]

We've been asking for a survival mode since the launch of the game. They could've integrated heartland as a game mode instead of giving us things we dodn't ask for and when they come out and people don't play them, they stop the support (Hardcore mode, summit, descent)

[elfin hazel]

hardcore is the work of 1 dev IIRC
summit really doesn't have much to change
descent also really doesn't have much to change

modes can just

exist as they are

and as I look at it div1 is still right there people can still go play survival or underground if they want div2 doesn't have to be filled with copies of what has already been done

[violet wedge]

I think they tried to cash in with a spin-off. Only thing they didn't see coming was Redstorm falling apart and the new ones not having any experience with the main games. They didn't have Ubisoft Massive along them either like they usually had when they were working on TD1 & TD2

[deep flare]

Instead of branching out to new things, just stick with the things you know your playerbase want. Listen to them. You can have your creative point of view but you're in a market where you have paying custumer that needs to engage in your content. If you ignore your playerbase, the ones that actually plays the game, you'll likely be in a better place as a company

[elfin hazel]

respectfully if devs of games listened solely to what players want and that alone to decide what should or shouldn't be in a game or how its balanced games would be really really bad

[inner elbow]

^

[elfin hazel]

it would turn everything into an arms race of who can reach gray content sludge first

[violet wedge]

This is Ubisoft. They only listen to the money. Just look at the 130 bucks Star Wars Outlaws edition. They're trying to raise the prices for AAA games even more but they went way overboard with this one. Shortly before telling everyone that we should get used to not owning the games we bought 😂

[elfin hazel]

everything must have no downsides
content must be the same through every game
any bug that gets fixed because its a bug normally can't be fixed because that was helping the players the devs hate us revert this change now etc etc

[deep flare]

Summit is trash and has been trash since it was implemented, Descent is too damn long and in the state it is is only the beginning of what it should be. Nobody after farming the named BP and get the comms will ever touch that game mode again. Sorry but if you're doing something as a studio, you have to support it, especially if it's a game mode. They could've done other things with the time they've used to make these game modes instead, that's all i'm saying

[elfin hazel]

summit is basically what people asked for to have a procgen mode like underground
theres quite a few people in #td2-descent / #division-universe who get the comms each & every week

[violet wedge]

They barely communicate with their players or interact with them. This should already tell you that they don't care about what most of us players think

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Games that tends to thrive are the games that listen to their playerbase. Especially live service games or games that tends to have a longevity. The dev's for the most part don't interact with their game the way players do so they have 2 sources of info on what the players want and like : Player feedback and metrics extracted from the game.

[elfin hazel]

with how I've seen this discord act when an update gets delayed by an hour I wouldn't want to interact often either brah I'd also go off of feedback & metrics

[violet wedge]

The guy who created Summit left Ubisoft Massive shortly after btw. He got hired by Rockstar North during the pandemic and works there since

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Underground is not summit, sorry, no game modes ressemble resistance. Descent, nobody(s playing it. Matchmaking is hard. I know i'm one of those who are farming comms and named BP.

[elfin hazel]

nobodys playing it is a pretty bold stance to take

most people are likely playing solo or with friends

[deep flare]

@violet wedge Excatly my point. They put out a mode and then nobody knows how to make changes since the devs responsible are not here anymore or they don't have the ressources to change things

[inner elbow]

this is true

[violet wedge]

I think Summit was released way too early with way too little resources. It's still very unfinished, but they probably thought better than not having any content

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel If you have 0.01% of your playerbase that plays it. I'm sorry but it's nobody.

[elfin hazel]

that again is a super bold stance to take with no info to back it up

[deep flare]

Some people didn't even touch this game mode once

[elfin hazel]

I really have no idea what you would even change with summit a mode where the whole goal is just go up 100 random floors while collecting loot

as cool as countdown is its basically just summit but with slightly more less varied objectives

[deep flare]

At this point i don't know why we're changing the game if it's only to collect loot to be more powerful.... There's always things to change. The destination is the end goal but you can have different way of getting there.

[violet wedge]

It's an unfinished mess. I don't blame anyone for not liking it. I'm not a fan of it either. I got to floor 100 a couple times. Only fun part about it was fighting the floor 100 hunters with a group

[deep flare]

Countdown is summit ??? Ok, i'm done. Thanks for the discussion but at this point, it would be a nonsence to keep on talking

[elfin hazel]

they're both places primarily designed to collect loot ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep flare]

Like everything in the game.

[elfin hazel]

summit was just there first

[deep flare]

And summit is the worst game loot collector in the game

[elfin hazel]

not as much as countdown and summit were designed to especially countdown

I would have thought that would be descent the mode they explicitly said was not to farm loot but thats good to know

[deep flare]

You still collect loot in descent as you get a lot of caches from it

Every activity in the game is a loot collector. We're in a looter shooter. The difference resides in the activities to collect them.

And that's what makes the gaming loop and the game fun when it's well implemented. When it's half baked, bad implemented etc.... you waste time, money and ressources that you could've put somewhere esle. It's that simple

[violet wedge]

Creating a fun loop is the challenging part. Especially in endgame. You can have the greatest gameplay, but if you have an endgame that is not fun, the game will not feel good to play. Many studios struggle with this to this date

[nocturne cypress]

What's with this seasonal character crap I been hearing about

[elfin hazel]

seemingly bad idea made worse by endless speculation based off of very little vague information treated as fact

we'll know more soonish

[violet wedge]

They have giving us too little information about it so far. They only said that it's coming and that you will only be able to play seasonal content with new seasonal characters

You won't be able to play the new seasonal content with your main characters

[elfin hazel]

*you can play the climax mission and new master difficulty

[deep flare]

@violet wedge That's why you have to listen to your community and what they want to experience coupled with the metrics. Not listen to content creators first as it's their job and don't represent the majority of the playerbase (They are usually bias). In the roguelite/roguelike genre, the sucess of the game usually resides in the fact that the devs manage to implement what the community has envisionned for the game as we, as gamers, are the ones playing it.

[nocturne cypress]

What exactly is considered seasonal, is the battle pass considered seasonal? Will the new dropped exotics only appear in seasonal characters? Is it only that bounty crap nobody cares about since they don't unlock exotic gear anynore

[elfin hazel]

we don't know

[violet wedge]

Unfortunately, bright majority of the studios only listen to their shareholders. Very few games listen to the actual players, and if they do, it's usually way too late to fix anything

[elfin hazel]

very few games listen to players because players don't know what they actually want other than "just make thing better"

[deep flare]

We know the game, we know the devs, we know the studio. We had enough to be worried about the new seasons. If they had something interesting to communicate, they would've done it by now just to reassure us or present us the outlines of the new season. Generally no communication is always a bad sign

[elfin hazel]

but we've had communication we know more communication coming we have a tiny bit more info

[violet wedge]

That's not true. When you have majority of the player base complaining about the same issues that also leads to players leaving in heaps, you can't just ignore it

[nocturne cypress]

I think we can all agree that we would like them to make a new season update and create bugs while trying to patch other bugs

[elfin hazel]

these things take time they don't just pop out in less than a week especially when the community is so volatile

[nocturne cypress]

How ass can their coding be

[inner elbow]

players are also unreliable as a source of income. since if there's something that players don't like, they can simply say "ew I'm not gonna pay for future content anymore" thereby sanctioning the developers and their work

[iron gust]

They should've predicted that it wouldn't be well received and had a more solid communication plan, but it is what it is and we wait for more info

[elfin hazel]

I doubt they could have predicted something they were likely mandated to do for ubisoft forward

[nocturne cypress]

It's ubisoft, they have nothing planned except profit

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel That's factually wrong but you do you. Every successful roguelite/like games that came out in the recent years, other looter shooters such as warframe, mostly indi games that succed beyond expectations listen to the community and when they don't agree with them they communicate why. Helldivers 2 is a good example

[elfin hazel]

thats every company ever brah

[nocturne cypress]

False

[elfin hazel]

I could be immortal and live from the start of the universe to the end of the universe and never find a company not focused on profit that isnt nonprofit already

thats what companies do thats what they are thats how they function now before and likely always

[deep flare]

@inner elbow Sorry but when the players are happy, they tend to stay and pay to support you. Look at the succes of games like Fortnite. They've managed to pivot and give players more of the same things that they ask for

[nocturne cypress]

Baldurs gate 3 company made a phenomenal game because they focused on the game first and profit later, because they knew they can't have profit without a good game, companies really need to go back to their roots, and not just gaming company but all companies

Except Coka cola, don't go to your roots

[inner elbow]

eh?

[nocturne cypress]

And Mitsubishi

[elfin hazel]

yeah and then the studio who made it said we're not working on this anymore and hasbro decided to switch the track to making as much money from it as they can

[nocturne cypress]

Coka cola had real coke in their drinks when they 1st started out

[inner elbow]

oh

[elfin hazel]

ok I'll look at fortnite (the one game I play by far the most) I see them making nonstop changes that the playerbase continually does not like and gets mad at over the past several months

[nocturne cypress]

At least we got our masterpiece and Hasbro can find out what they fucked around in

[elfin hazel]

fortnite makes money because of whales and banking off the impressionable unknowing kid market to the point where they had to be sued over dark patterns that targeted kids to make them spend more

[violet wedge]

The mexicans were almost ready to applaud you

[elfin hazel]

div somehow is making enough money to warrant possibly a sequel a spinoff (formally 2 spinoffs) and continued development all while being called a major brand off of just the most optional mtx I've seen from a AAA game in the last like decade

[nocturne cypress]

Damn, I think they're gonna take away the Mexican equivalent of the black card away from me ;-;

[violet wedge]

I think mexicans were having the time of their lives when real coke was inside their cokes. Now they have to sell them separately each time

[deep flare]

@elfin hazel Div was the fastest selling new IP in Ubisoft history. They couldv'e done something better with the money they got but no. Don't forget that it's a paid game (i've personnaly paid the ulimate edition for 120 euros before launch and since spent more than this amount of mtx to support the game and buy the expansion). Watch them cancel resurgence also in profit of xdefiant

[nocturne cypress]

You think Rockstar CEO will make good on what he said and have us pay monthly payment for access on top of the base game price?

[deep flare]

He probably could and people would still play it. I find it scummy but if they do that they can't put other mtx in the game anymore. No more shark cards because it would be to much of a barrier entry to play.

[sonic halo]

No shark card become subscription base play just massive down turn

[deep flare]

The difference with Rockstar is that they know how to maintain a game an a community and keeping them engaged. GTA 5 been out for almost 10 years

[elfin hazel]

no

[nocturne cypress]

I think they'll find a way to add mtx, game companies always find a way

[elfin hazel]

all these companies(shareholders) would love for you to not only subscribe but also pay upfront but thats currently a step too far

[sonic halo]

Shareholder that word only we know what’s their mind are

[nocturne cypress]

True

[sonic halo]

Explain me like I’m five

About shareholder.

[nocturne cypress]

I just hope they leave single player out of their scummy practices

[deep flare]

MMO have been doing that for a while now. You pay the game and the expansions, pay a monthly fee and have mtx in it so that's not new

[elfin hazel]

people who give companies money expecting a cut of the profits said companies make in return

[nocturne cypress]

And it better not cost $120 to play

😢

[sonic halo]

Final fantasy XXiV

Subscription base player

I never play that game

Why many people play it

[nocturne cypress]

I wanted to say ff14 but I wasn't sure if you had to buy the game initially then pay monthly subscriptions on top of dlcs

[sonic halo]

Div2 I find least fun then get boring with farm blue print on alert 3 control point

[nocturne cypress]

Yep

I might uninstall div2 tbh

[sonic halo]

Like other game farming level exp material craft weapon

[sonic halo]

You should try path of exile for trial play see if is fun.

Not really grinding imo

[nocturne cypress]

That's a DND style game ain't it?

[sonic halo]

It’s Diablo style

[nocturne cypress]

Oh

[sonic halo]

Free to play

They making path of exile 2

Coming soon

[nocturne cypress]

Not a fan of Diablo, prolly won't be appealed much

[sonic halo]

Could be gaming these day is boring

[nocturne cypress]

Nah, I've always played specific genres

Well still true actually

[sonic halo]

How about warhammer Darktide? For first time play

I spent only 500 hour on it

Lot people still play the game is strange for me

[nocturne cypress]

I played it, it's cool. But not something id play it solo

[sonic halo]

Non of people get burnout from it

Path of exile is solo play mostly

Or zomboid (not fan of realistic zombie game )

7day to die

Least got nice update.

[nocturne cypress]

I'm a fps player

[sonic halo]

7day to die is first person zombie game

I’m more like into co-op shooting games

[nocturne cypress]

Didn't like it

[sonic halo]

Deep rock galactic classic game

L4d super classic

[nocturne cypress]

Not interested enough to buy it

[sonic halo]

I haven’t play those game

[nocturne cypress]

I hope gta6 is new gen only

[sonic halo]

Gta 6 going release on console

Pc going left to dust

Fallout 76 another update I didn’t check but unfortunately uninstalled after updating it

Fo76 has some fp element

Mix with Tp

[nocturne cypress]

Rockstar knows that console is the true master race

that or they know they'll make more buck having pc players wait

[sonic halo]

Red dead online is unique for me but sadly infested with Chinese modders

[nocturne cypress]

Oof

[sonic halo]

That’s called double dipping

[nocturne cypress]

Why must these companies be so money hungry

[sonic halo]

Capitalism

Everyone live paycheck to paycheck

[still juniper]

Have you played destiny 2 any?

[nocturne cypress]

You do know you don't have to use reply function every response right? Or at least turn off the at

[sonic halo]

Fuck that I just installed recently and brought $10 lightfall the mission is ass dying and objective confusion time wasting getting strand subclass then vanguard strike become hard with enable gear score set high than newbie gear score

[still juniper]

Yk you can go to an invite only server to do bounties and noonshining and shit with friends right

[sonic halo]

My friend don’t even play it anymore he’s addict to fucking zomboid game

[still juniper]

It's a good game once you get into it, final shape or beyond light is better than lightfall

Witch queen is really fucking hard though

[sonic halo]

I finished behondlivht and witch queen all my three class

But lightfall mission design dying to drop pod in small spaces

Is fucking cancerous

[still juniper]

Idk man o did ot first try

[sonic halo]

What?

[still juniper]

Just learn where the pods drop and use your dodge to avoid

[still juniper]

Essentially, git gud

[sonic halo]

So titan is an issue you say

You hate titan?

[sonic halo]

Encoding gatekeeper community game

[still juniper]

I hate warlocks

Titan has the strafe on arc if you have mobility issues, hunters can dodge and have triple junp

[sonic halo]

You fly on slope angle when drop pod are faster deploy than titan attempting dodging it

I stand behind near edge avoid drop pod already just annoying play other class

Already got me bored play lightfall campaign

Going back division 2 get me reminding myself “control point blue print farm” hell hole again

[still juniper]

Your saying incomprehensible nonsense

[sonic halo]

Expect language barrier from me

[hallow trench]

Bump for today, everyone take time to vote if you haven't. 🙏

[undone timber]

everyone hates it and that's the end of it lol

[still temple]

everyone hates the way they presented the seasonal character thing, completely unprofessional, absurdly incomplete and totally blunt

[hybrid ore]

What about the presentation of the addition of seasonal characters was unprofessional?

[still temple]

all of it

everything on fast forward, no explanation, no nothing

incompetence at its best

if I was this incompetent at work I would have been fired a long time ago

[hybrid ore]

You're welcome to dislike the addition of the mode, but let's tone down the personal attacks on the employees, yeah?

And by that I mean: none.

[still temple]

it's not a personal attack, it's reality

[hybrid ore]

You've been advised to not make this personal already, the next step is a warning, then action being taken.
Just step away from the chat for a while and take a breath.

[still temple]

the same tone I've seen everywhere since they released that presentation

[hybrid ore]

As I said, disliking the mode is fine. But leave the employees out of it.

[still temple]

not a single positive message, sorry for that

I'm not referring to the employees, it's not their fault

[tender wave]

It's still a season away, I'm sure we'll get more detail closer to the time

(not that I have high hopes for it)

[kind veldt]

are we getting apparel event soon?

[tender wave]

#news-and-announcements message

[kind veldt]

Guess its a no then

[azure lintel]

hi moderators

[azure lintel]

'Incompetence at its best, if I was this incompetent at work I would have been fired a long time ago'
'I'm not referring to the employees, it's not their fault'

Rude and dumb, it's almost as if the two exclusively always travel together.

[azure lintel]

The event tab on the game tells you when the apparel event is coming up

But if you must know its in like 3 weeks

same goes with manhunt too

[azure lintel]

What made you become rogue

my life

Why do you want to steal my DZ loot

[azure lintel]

Felt

i decided that

[dense saffron]

Your loot more like our loot /s

[inner elbow]

This message is sponsored by the almighty Terrence Howard

[astral jacinth]

Will seasons 2.0 split the community playerpool?

[inner elbow]

Most likely

[frosty wadi]

Absolutely

Its just making the grind worse overall

Their solution to making the game feel less boring and seasonal activities to be fun is making you replay the game and grind

Doesn’t matter how they do it, making a new character just for a season is just scummy and comes off like they want to force you to grind

[dense saffron]

😂

[junior bear]

If they made seasonal changes tho

Like whole rebalance of everything then maybe

Or seasonal buffs, whatever

[inner elbow]

I just leveled my HC character from lv 1-31 in the span of 3 days. I can say that it wasn't fun. They dragged high end loot drops to >31 so the overall experience has gotten slightly harder since before the update

[kind veldt]

the ydid mention seasonal modifiers adn XP rebalance

but i doubt seasonal modifiers will solve the issues i have with early game being really really bad

[hollow hill]

and thats exactly how its gonna feel when these seasonal characters get added 😂

[civic ridge]

I found it interesting how the few 515 items I had are now classed as lvl 29 gear

[inner elbow]

Presumably

[inner elbow]

They bridged the gap between lv 30 and 31

When we had GS515, even though it's lv 30, the difference between lv 30 and lv 31 was massive.

So lv25-30 gear had their values reworked

[hollow hill]

i wonder how many people are gonna get rolled back for the crafting bug lmao

[real creek]

No one I bet.

Lets say you bought DIV 2 today and played normally and found out crafting was cracked. Should they just be reset?

[civic ridge]

Why waste time sorting out a rollback when that time can be spent introducing new bugs 😛

[real creek]

Cause that's the reality of this bug. Every character made after the patch has it.

[hollow hill]

actually got a solid point there

i wanna do it but i dont. i wont really benefit all that much from having max mods

plus then by doing that, im taking away a reason to farm boss floors in summit lmao

[real creek]

Honestly it's a time save and that's if you have the mats to take advantage of it.

[kind veldt]

if the bug is something simple nothing to punish people for

stuff like turret abuse were clearly more elaborated to constantly do and stack damage

[hollow hill]

im about shd 1200, which i could easily take advantage of the bug for a little bit and just craft a few mods

also reroll my exotics to max

[kind veldt]

kinda like how we had the bug of using armor kit when taking damage would make it infinite duration and just constnatly recover armor non stop

too simple so it would happen naturally without person even knowing, the crafting bug doesnt need elaborated steps if i'm not wrong

[hollow hill]

basically make a new character, get to base of op, boost to wony, finish wony, watch resources, begin crafting

[real creek]

Basically make character, craft. It works at all levels.

[kind veldt]

yeah, considering what people were doing to farm SHD levels no real abuse here

[junior bear]

I need to lvl to 40 first

But yeah it works...

God rolled improvised gear need

🙏

[celest harbor]

Guys for pvp 6 blue or 4 blue 2 red?

[timber hatch]

Ultimately personal preference

[umbral hearth]

so whats going on with crafting? ive seen a few people mention it but im a little confused as to whats going on

also, anyone have any clue when to expect a fix or workaround for the control point bug?

[real creek]

Any new characters made after the recent patch have any and everything done in the crafting bench as 99% perfect. So crafted mods, gear, guns, reconfiguring exotics, literally everything you do in the crafting bench.

[deep flare]

What skills besides turret and drone of course is worth the expertise levels ?

[real creek]

Tons of items imo. OXY, scanner(pulse and drone), achilleas, fire sticky, artificer, decoy, shields, just tons of things make use of expertise really.

[deep flare]

What's the benefit of upgrading the shields ? I don't see tthe value in it tbh. The active regen is not good enough

[small spear]

more always helps

[real creek]

It is an advantage tho.

[small spear]

it does regen significantly faster with expertise

[real creek]

Would you not put mods on your shield? It's the same idea.

[small spear]

EMP sticky also 100% worth

[real creek]

Bro I did MM incursions the other day and one guy wanted to heal the entire thing and would OC for drones on tanker.... Made me EMP myself every.single.time.

[small spear]

lol

[timber hatch]

Skill issue

[deep flare]

since i'm bored, i'm in the process of ugrading the skills that were not ugraded yet. So i guess i'll ugrade Achilles, fire sticky, decoy, and shields then.

[umbral hearth]

oh sick, i started after the most recent patch and i should hit level 40 tonight, so i should just craft a bunch of mods?

[real creek]

Well if your low level you'll be resource poor so idk what to tell you honestly. This bug is best used by people who don't exactly need to craft lol, people who are high SHD with tons of mats but they already farmed perfect gear/mods/exotics... It'll end up being a time save if you do take advantage of it so whatever you think is best.

You also might be really limited by what you can craft as you have to farm up blueprints, I'm not even sure what the default items you can craft are.

[umbral hearth]

well i had a previous character that i used a year or two ago and i bought the blueprint carry over and material carry over

so i have a ton of materials

not sure on blueprints, but when i first grinded this game i played alot so

would cut back some endgame farming

[real creek]

Exactly, big time saver.

You can also craft and insert into your recal library if you don't have much in there.

[umbral hearth]

guess i know what im doing tonight lmao

[umbral hearth]

oooooh smart

i’ll probably run out of credits before i run out of mats

i have max of something that you get from dismantling armor

theres no way theyd do a rollback on this right?

are they even aware of it?

[junior bear]

For me the problem is money to craft

Which might be fixed once I get the watch

[real creek]

Bounties give lots of credits too.

[junior bear]

Don't have a lot of those...

I tried doing matchmaking bounties got nothing even tho it was heroic with 5 directives

💀 yeah not doing that again

[craggy plover]

You gotta redo the capture points after defeating true sons💀 man I thought I was done with capture points

[junior bear]

They always reset after some time, pretty sure

[craggy plover]

Aww man I just spent 4 hours doing all of them

I thought they were one and done

[umbral hearth]

everytime you change world difficulty, they reset, they can be taken back, and when the black tusk invade a part of the map, the ones on that side reset as well

pretty sure thats how they work

i know alot of people farm them for shd levels

[craggy plover]

It's my first time so idk much

Thanks

[umbral hearth]

dont redo them yet though, because control points arent saving upon exiting at the end of a play session

i did like an entire district and logged out and when i logged back in they were all reset

wasted a good hour

[late sapphire]

When do I get my rewards from the One time offer Wrapped Pack or where can I claim it?

[agile pendant]

oh👀 pog

[frozen holly]

Completing the public execution with two surviving npcs, nets a bounty. :) I had soo friggin many, lol.

Also you can search Snitch. Every time you talk to him - he'll drop a random ones too. Good luck!

[smoky meteor]

Well, as it's been ages since I played last, instead of playing my high level character and doing new content... I've decided to start a new character and level that up instead. So, how is the default game these days? Because I haven't made a new character in like.... five years?

[umbral hearth]

i just played through the original campaign, its pretty solid up until the invasion. the story becomes a little fragmented once you hit the invasion originally, but picks back up once you do the pentagon missions and camp white oak. i just started coney island last night, and its been pretty fun, especially being able to see all the references to TD1 and being able to return to NYC

[junior bear]

Yeah I don't focus at story at all, so no clue what's going on

I just know some ppl went rouge and we have to kill them for america

[umbral hearth]

NGN is a really solid way of catching up. i LOVE this games story, have loved it ever since TD1, and im still so invested

the BTSU story when it first starts is very confusing and fragmented, but after clearing tidal basin for the first time it really picks up again and starts to make sense

i imagine it wouldnt of been that bad if i had collected a bunch of the collectibles and then did missions, but i havent gotten around to getting every collectible yet

[smoky meteor]

Oh, is there a new Season... Mmm... How long into it are we? Like, I don't wanna miss that.

[umbral hearth]

the current season just started like, 4-5 days ago

[smoky meteor]

Oh good, got plenty of time to level up a character then and get it geared.

[umbral hearth]

yep

i started 3 days ago and im already a level away from 40, havent even done WONY yet

just did all the side quests and stuff alongside the main missions

youve got till september (?) for this season

[smoky meteor]

Time to level a character through the story with my favorite scumbag build. Random ARs, the Shield, and a Striker Drone.

[smoky meteor]

So, is Descent not level locked since it's a roguelike?

And is it worth messing around with while leveling or nah?

[low lily]

Well in theory you can but it won't give much XP unless you play long

[smoky meteor]

That sounds like more work than necessary when I still have to do the campaign. lol Thanks.

[verbal ice]

Just got 1000 shd levels I'm screaming

[small spear]

also reconstructed caches don't drop unless you're at lv30 or 40

[novel laurel]

It's about 2 lvls per loop

[small plume]

If I reset the Summit, the challenges get resetted too, right?

[full zinc]

completed challenges will. in-progress challenges might stay partial finished tho iirc.

[nocturne frigate]

yo wtf did they remove turrets from checkpoints?

im being spawn camped by a guy

ah wait nvm tihs is an invaded dz

[smoky meteor]

Another random question... Did they extend the duration of the Striker Drone? It feels like it lasts forever now. lol

[nocturne frigate]

descent is annoying

why the hell do enemies come from behind me

[smoky meteor]

They're gonna introduce Seasonal Characters? Like... ARPG type seasons? lol

[junior bear]

Like diablo

Poe

[smoky meteor]

...Interesting.

I guess I gotta level this new character even faster then... Although Seasons last like four or five months right now.

[novel laurel]

You get a new slot dw about it

[smoky meteor]

Eh, I'm not worried about slots. I have only ever used one, never felt the urge to reroll, even pre-WoNY.

[junior bear]

What reroll

You make more chars to store more gear

Idk when I will sort that shit out but for now they can all rot on different chars

[smoky meteor]

I don't really play a variety of builds. One SMG loadout, one AR loadout. That's pretty much all I have on my main character. So I never have much gear to worry about muling.

[junior bear]

Then there's nothing to do

If u did both raids once and incursion, and don't need more gear only thing left is getting shd up for fun or doing challenges or idk

At least you have something to work towards when making a build rather then mindlessly farm control points

[smoky meteor]

I've honestly never done any of the raids, afaik. Or the Incursions. Not really a social player. I just have always liked the vibe of the game. Was something to play when Defiance died.

Heck, I'm in a Clan that has only continued to exist because it accepts anyone, and the leadership position bounces between whoever is playing the most during a six month period. lol

[junior bear]

Lol

I was not a part of any clan when I came back

[smoky meteor]

WorksInProgress is eternal. I think I've been in this Clan for like... six years? And I only play for like a month every year before I get bored.

[novel laurel]

PvP lol that's what i did

[junior bear]

You could literally play any other game for pvp

But yeah

[smoky meteor]

I have nerve damage in my hands, so I can't really PvP, or use snipers, because I don't know when I'll get muscles spasms and start spraying bullets at the walls or floor or sky.

[novel laurel]

The pvp in this game is a grind though, I played a lot of rust and Dayz

[junior bear]

Playing Xdefiant as outcast is enough the division pvp for me

And better

[novel laurel]

Fair

[junior bear]

Maybe it will be different in division 3 in 10 years

[smoky meteor]

...I am so dumb. I wasted that first burst of 6 SHD Tech you get from the easy mission on unlocking skill variants instead of getting perks. I forgot perks were a thing!

[smoky meteor]

So, here is another question that will date when the last time I regularly played was, despite having beaten WoNY, do people still do sewer runs in DC to get keys?

[deep flare]

What do you need keys for ? To farm gear ?

[smoky meteor]

Is it not a thing anymore to have keys for running missions to open the boxes for spare gear?

[deep flare]

No, you can have keys farming named enemies in open world, missions or bounties. But it's not the best way to get gear nowadays. The best way is to play countdown et select the loot you want to farm

What level are you ?

[smoky meteor]

I've only gotten this alt up to lvl10... I didn't wanna grind new content on my main since I haven't played in like a year. lol

[long glen]

Anyone else keep getting Delta-03?

[deep flare]

@smoky meteor Don't bother wiooth the loot at this stage of the game. You can put up whatever you want and still manage to be ok.

[smoky meteor]

Yeah, I know. I'm doing my normal cheese build to level/beat campaign. Random ARs, Shield, Striker Drone. Brain off, running around blowing everything away.

[deep flare]

[long glen]

Working through the Kenly college debacle and have noticed that the Encrypted Radio echo seems broken. Anyone found a fix yet?

[sour void]

Is the Bober named chest armor (from ZS) equipped with an Armor Core by default?

[long glen]

Nevermind

[tired granite]

im down to go rogue with keener if ubisoft double down on its seasonal journey

[smoky meteor]

That would be kinda interesting actually. I'd love to see a villain arc for a division game. Just wanna be a bad guy.

[frozen meadow]

Well define "bad guy"

[sour void]

Maybe more of an anti-hero than public enemy #2?

[tired granite]

i believe that keener foreshadowed this shenanigans with ubisoft

[pliant sentinel]

any updates on the face mask and the 2nd outfit missing from the premium pass

oh its gone from the website

[umbral hearth]

just played my first few rounds of countdown, lowkey really fun and the amount of loot you get is insane

[full zinc]

no doubt. every couple rounds you should be able to buy an exotic cache at the cd vendor

[full zinc]

red main core default

[dark sand]

Not gonna lie chat .. will play 2 or 3 countdown games and .. go to sleep .. been hard day at work .. but sleep is needed

[opal radish]

Player using 6pcs 5.11

[dark sand]

Imma log on geforce now .. division 2 lets goo

[frozen meadow]

a

[opal radish]

b

[tropic hazel]

what was ubisoft thinking making this coney island mission in near pitch black darkness do they like people to suffer or something

[undone timber]

Can use pulse if you're struggling to see

[umbral hearth]

is countdown good for farming exotics?

[kind veldt]

it's one of the fastest way

[umbral hearth]

okay

trying to get a st elmos

[lunar hare]

for almost everything

[umbral hearth]

i was going to start warlords tonight but then i got caught up with farming countdown and putting my striker together

no regrets

mannnn why we gotta wait six weeks for golden bullet

[agile pendant]

i thought it was cleaners who were a faction in it not outcast??

[agile pendant]

it drops often now in boxes exotic ones

[kind veldt]

cleaners are the ones in xdefiant, outcasts were on promo material but got replaced by liberdad

[undone timber]

Shame we didn't get ghosts

[kind veldt]

everyone there is a twisted version tho

cleaners are being sold as the hip and laid back

[soft echo]

echo league today or tomorrow?

[agile pendant]

a downgrade lol

they should have let you play as the outcast rusher 🤣

[kind veldt]

outcasts were going to be the healer faction

[radiant igloo]

created a new character. currently lvl 6. anyone wanna go and play with me?

[long glen]

Well seasonal characters have been confirmed by Yannick. They are forcing everyone to start from the same level for seasonal content. Looks like my time is very limited with this game.

[tired granite]

if they push the seasonal character thing... then im not sure why i wasted my time on this game

[dark sand]

So far I got my main account, and 3 other accounts as mules .. for the seasonal character .. will be my 5th account once seasonal comes next season

I am not gonna .. but I mostly stick with my main account as .. I usually don't have alot of time and I mostly stick with 1 account

[sterile scaffold]

Literally the worst choice possible

[dark sand]

I understand if it was a cyberpunk game or deus ex but .. a game like division and having exotics, gear sets, its gonna be a long grind if I make another one

[sterile scaffold]

Because I 100% want to start with zero items for a single season

Like yeah I didn't want my max roll striker or St Elmo's anyways

[dark sand]

Not gonna lie tho .. I am still hungover on heartlands cancellation .. and I am hoping extra backup news for divisions future as it doing fine but ... I don't know

[sterile scaffold]

Can't wait to see who else copies Diablo IV's stupid choice

[dark sand]

oh you reminded me gotta watch that new diablo trailer ...

[sterile scaffold]

Rn D4 is in an okay state

The loot changes are good and the new item fetcher is good

But the insistence of making a new character for seasons is just so stupid since it's all temporary

[dark sand]

for story on diablo 4 .. I think I stopped on season 1 or 2 and I heard alot of backlash on how much you grind on an item that doesn't feel like was worth it .. but anything else gotta catch up on

[sterile scaffold]

Honestly the story went over my head

Entirely forgettable

[fair solar]

Best third attribute for bullet king?

[tired granite]

damage out of cover?

it would be nice if the seasonal thing can be like Poe .... but we dont have thousands of different skills and a skill tree

[celest harbor]

Damn people are abusing their crappy internet and boasting about it, never seen such kiddos lol

[tired granite]

wdym?

[celest harbor]

You get in cover and they literally teleport behind you in your own spawn just to kill you

[tired granite]

thats bad

[junior bear]

Maybe

[frozen holly]

Either DtA or RoF. Since lmgs has dtooc as a 2nd attribute.

[cerulean spear]

Tbh, nothing new to me, since I play Diablo 3 and 4🤷😂

[marsh crystal]

Yo what’s the soundtrack that plays during the recruiter mission

[rigid wedge]

Has league even started yet

[junior bear]

Nice got btsu gloves while farming strikers

[real moth]

Crit chance will be best if used on a striker build

[smoky light]

DoOC

[real moth]

That comes standard as second attribute for lmgs

they asked about third attribute

[half laurel]

what is the best way to farm Ceramics, im way past WoNY questing...

[opal radish]

Create another character grind shd

[junior bear]

I got 4 different exotics i didn't have before and I still don't have memento, got ninjabike one instead zzz

[hollow hill]

Pvp backpack at best, or for use with very certain builds

[junior bear]

Yeah it's for my tank strikers

For solo cp

Also need to get technician up, but farming the points is so oof

[faint moon]

I would trade the memento for ninjabike tbh, got like 3 mementos in 13 caches, still no ninjabike for the build I wanna finish

[balmy cedar]

Is razorback still broken

[junior bear]

Idk what I will do with, I think I only saw one build that uses it and idk which one it was

[faint moon]

I have few builds that can go with it, but they are super niche

literally one of the 3 exotics I miss

first being ouroboros, so technically 2 from caches

[rose pecan]

are the servers down or something :(( i keep getting dced from my summit run

[junior bear]

Works for me

[novel laurel]

What exotics do you need?

[junior bear]

Memento, oreo

And more but I didn't see any build use different ones yet

[novel laurel]

If you wanna try your luck if you boost me to 40 on a new character I can do my donation projects for you

[junior bear]

That's like an hour~ of farming

[novel laurel]

Not even, 5 invaded missions

[junior bear]

I'm not doing them that fast lol

I do one per 20 minutes or so

I would guess at least

[novel laurel]

Jesus lol

[junior bear]

I never Speedrun anything

But from my experience missions take 20min on avg

[novel laurel]

Well if I happen to boost a character I'll save the project for you, I'm available to run incursion till around 4 today

[junior bear]

4

What, there's timezones

[novel laurel]

Cst

[junior bear]

Hm that's midnight for me, so I won't be playing

I can play for next 6~8 hours at best

[low lily]

I can check if my peeps are on today, maybe run you tru 3 fast runs

[junior bear]

sure

[outer arrow]

is shd exposed supposed to make game easier

feels like I just melt everything

[kind veldt]

if you do the gimmick yes

thats the point of global event

[midnight salmon]

nice pfp

[outer arrow]

its my first global event in d2

i thought it'd ramp up the challenge like directive lol

[kind veldt]

any news they said?

[junior bear]

it's still a long time until then

[keen osprey]

Looks like the recruiter outfit is back in store

[deep flare]

@keen osprey Where did you see that ?

[iron gust]

There's an in game popup when you start the game

But I don't see it in the store

[dapper lark]

just changed character. and got a pop up, also

[deep flare]

Same, that's weird because it's still the sports outfits

[dapper lark]

its "in the store" but its not, just checked everywhere in there aha

[deep flare]

another feature 🙂

[keen osprey]

According to a tweet a while back, they're restricted to adding only one limited time bundle in the shop at any given time so perhaps they've fluffed up the timings?

[hollow hedge]

hi im wondering where can i but the recruiter outfit

[frigid arch]

Whats the best way to kill Black Tusk with Skills? Any fast method?

[hollow hedge]

the store said it got released again

but dont see it anywhere

[kind veldt]

people saw same announcement but shop doesnt appear to have actually updated

[dreamy estuary]

the news ad about the recruiter outfit in the pause menu just disappeared for me

[iron gust]

Is the league hyena disrupted bugged? It doesn't seem to be counting correctly

[dapper lark]

works once per mob, fastest way i found to do it is cover to cover

[iron gust]

Not for me, I disrupt and it doesn't count in Grand Washington hotel. Gonna try on another character and in the open world

Works in the open world
Broken in missions

[dapper lark]

😮 okies, nice to know

[low lily]

Just for the sake of it I tried and it worked for me

[haughty crown]

can anyone tell me why i cant find the recruiter outfit in store?

[dapper lark]

bc ubi messed that up too xD

[iron gust]

Didn't for me, gwh in hardcore. Disrupt + EP and only counted on spread. Open world it works as intended

[half leaf]

Where is the snitch today?

[real creek]

Anywhere.

Everywhere.

Nowhere.

[junior bear]

This week countdown stuff kinda shit

[timber hatch]

The snitch has set potential locations. Best way to find it is to just learn a location, there's a few very quick ones you can run to. Just log in and go directly to that location, and it should be there right after login. If it's not just log out and log back in again, and it should be there. The trick works at all the set snitch locations

[fallow oyster]

What happened to the division 2 after the Johnson hunter stuff ends I kinda get lost so that's why I can't play td2 can anyone tell me?

[hybrid ore]

@fallow oyster That's more of a conversation for #division-universe

[fallow oyster]

Oh

I mean bugs and stuff about the td2 being dead I think

[hybrid ore]

Uh nope, game's very active. Season just started so the player-base is massive right now, pardon the pun.

[junior bear]

For me hard to judge if it's active, it is for countdown, but that's about it

[fallow oyster]

Okay is there anyway I can get my feet on td2

I plan on buying the dlc anyway

Get back returning to the stuffs

[stark heron]

You can either play the base game or buy the game bundled with wony

On consoles bundled version is the only option rn

Honestly nothings really changed post wony

Its just differing seasonal content

[junior bear]

Need another dlc it's been way too long give me ohio

Or something

They need to do something big or just close the game and make td3

[static aurora]

Tell me you're not checking the roadmap, without telling me you're not checking the roadmap

[junior bear]

Yeah Ik it's coming

But what if it isn't like wony

But it's like idk descent v2

Or small patch that ads 4 exotics

[hybrid ore]

It's heavily hinted to be another Expansion, so WONY size or bigger is expected.

[junior bear]

And it's like coney island

[junior bear]

Would hope so but it's 2025....

[hybrid ore]

6 months.

[static aurora]

So? Play something else and kill time lol

[junior bear]

Yeah 2025 still

[stark heron]

Honestly more questioning how progression will actually be changed for Brooklyn

[static aurora]

Now that is a good question ^

[stark heron]

Cant go past level 40 else everyones gonna mald

[junior bear]

I hope for lvl 50

[hybrid ore]

Just a reminder that the WONY expansion had its first trailer dropped, then less than 2 months later it was out.
MSV don't like to show off their cards too early, gneerally speaking.

[stark heron]

Well roadmap says after Y6S2

Which ends around, april/may?

Might be slightly wrong there

[junior bear]

Lvl 50, 10~ or so new exotics, 2 new raids, new endgame

Is all I want

[hybrid ore]

We know that there is going to be this current season, then 1 more, then the DLC.

[stark heron]

Incursions instead would probably be better

[static aurora]

Doubt there will be a lvl 50

i'd prefer one raid and couple more incursions

[junior bear]

Idk raids seem cooler, but incursion are cool too

[stark heron]

I just hope the seasonal character idea gets overhauled

It sounds way too much like an Investor/Executive idea from Ubisoft than Massive

[static aurora]

Because it probably is lol

[stark heron]

Oh for sure

[junior bear]

They testing it for td3, that's my guess at least

[static aurora]

Everything we will be getting from this point onward is a test for TD3

[junior bear]

So td3 will be seasonal char from start with monthly subscription

[stark heron]

Td3 won't happen for many years lol

[static aurora]

Probably 2027

[stark heron]

Im expecting not for at least 3 years

Massive probably wants to actually develop a game that is well recieved

[junior bear]

It only took 3 years between 1 and 2

So I'm guessing 2026 is td3

[stark heron]

TD1 was successful very initially, TD2 wasn't that well recieved

[hybrid ore]

You weren't really around for the launch I guess.

[nocturne frigate]

How hard are hunters?

[static aurora]

This. + i wouldn't be surprised if the move down a more MMO influenced game.

[nocturne frigate]

Do you need a proper build to engage hunters?

[stark heron]

Probably lol

[static aurora]

Not as hard as life, don't worry

[dapper lark]

i wouldn't be so sure. maybe like 2-3 its like when massive announced div2 it was out the next year

[stark heron]

Tanky, and high damage

[junior bear]

It's just waiting game

[nocturne frigate]

Also was the guy in the 2023 winter event considered a hunter? The guy you had to kill to get festive delivery

[static aurora]

I mean it heavily hints towards a Rogue vs SHD kind of thing. But that's just me

[stark heron]

At this rate its looking like the Rogues vs BTSU

Keener clearly wants us on his side

[nocturne frigate]

Btsu vs rogues was confirmed in WONY

[stark heron]

Keener literally had an orange watch in the trailer

[nocturne frigate]

Faye lau and schaffer talk about it

[static aurora]

Or that yeah

[stark heron]

Like cmon, we aren't seeing keener until brooklyn

[junior bear]

Who's BTSU I know they have gloves

[nocturne frigate]

Black tusk. You’ll get to see them after beating the strongholds

Unless that was a joke

[static aurora]

I think he was being sarcastic

[nocturne frigate]

Mb

[static aurora]

lmao you good

[junior bear]

Oh that's what is BTSU lol

[stark heron]

Honestly, since we will be going rogue, I hope we actually get more of a skill oriented buff system for Brooklyn

[dapper lark]

whats a btsu

[junior bear]

I thought it stands for something else...

[hybrid ore]

Technically, the BTSU are the "black tusk special unit", they're the special forces of black tusk.
Although that's not saying much considering how badly they do against even Hyenas.

[stark heron]

Black Tusk Special Unit

[nocturne frigate]

Big tummy stink unit

[stark heron]

They are the regular black tusk goons

[junior bear]

Who even is black tusk tho like who's the leader

[dapper lark]

why is a big tummy stink?

[nocturne frigate]

Nahhh I crafted so much I ran out of poly carbonate

[stark heron]

Natalya Sokolova

[static aurora]

What if Black Tusk, is just the friends we made along the way

[dense saffron]

No idea, Natalya might be

[junior bear]

Hm so why can't we kill her?

[nocturne frigate]

That’s LMB not btsu

[stark heron]

Black Tusk had ties to the Ortizes, who actually made the Watch AIs

[junior bear]

Or we still searching for them

[dapper lark]

this would make us all very happy

[dapper lark]

money

[small spear]

white tusk are just my bullies in school grown up

[stark heron]

Black Tusk has a HQ in an undisclosed location that is probably biometric locked

Hence schaeffer

[hybrid ore]

We kinda know where it is, right?

[stark heron]

We could presume brooklyn

[hybrid ore]

No.

[stark heron]

Its in DC?

[hybrid ore]

Brooklyn is 8 stories tall of garbage.

[junior bear]

💀

[stark heron]

Could be underground

[static aurora]

Area 51

[hybrid ore]

Also my first ever agent is still canonically waiting in line.

one day she'll get through.

[junior bear]

Oh also forgot 3 new specs with dlc of course and idk 2 new skills and variants maybe

[dense saffron]

Mines probably a hunter

[nocturne frigate]

Bro my first wave agent probably became a warlord of a dark zone

[stark heron]

Honestly would be nice to get a cameo of our first agent

But its defo not happening

[nocturne frigate]

We do. Our first agent is the unknown hunter in the agent edwards mission

[hybrid ore]

For those who don't recall, day 1 of div1 there was a ...bug of sorts. Where NPC's couldn't be interacted with. Brought back for WONY's day1 actually.

[stark heron]

Imagine lmao

[hybrid ore]

so players formed literal ingame queues of Agents.

good times.

[stark heron]

Didn't realise wony became the average mmo boss queue

[nocturne frigate]

Tbh that sounds the most probable conspiracy theory out of all them

[junior bear]

I remember playing td1 fun game, I never did endgame there tho

[stark heron]

Or another theory is that they died from Sepsis

[nocturne frigate]

But where’s the entertainment in that

[stark heron]

There isn't

[junior bear]

Btw what happened to everything else then america

Are there different countries division agents or what

[hybrid ore]

What happened to our first Agent is "grey canon" as of right now.
We could be the same one in div2 (since they added the facial options later on) we could be dead, or rogue, or off on vacation in Hawaii. No one knows.

[stark heron]

SHD is an American 3 letter agency

[dapper lark]

i remember this very clearly lol

[hybrid ore]

Strategic Holland Division.

[stark heron]

Holland lmfao

[junior bear]

Huh

[nocturne frigate]

Out first wave agent said “f kit I’m going to the iss” and noped out of there

[dapper lark]

(S)Tom Holland Division

[junior bear]

Is leon canon or nah?

[nocturne frigate]

Mr Kennedy get down

[junior bear]

Weekly legendary is arena hm and it's only legendary I did cuz I have the patch, but I don't remember it at all

Might try matchmaking

[rigid wedge]

ughhhhhhh

The Recruiter is back in the store

How much

[steep void]

is he really?

[junior bear]

do ppl rly buy drip for this game

[steep void]

i know a guy who’s bought every in game add on and cosmetic so yeah

[rigid wedge]

He had some dope drip and wanted to buy for some time now

how much credits is it or is it broken?

I also tripped one of the bots

[junior bear]

@timber hatch when we doing incursion

[dapper lark]

its a scam, they say its in but its not

[rigid wedge]

https://x.com/TheDivisionGame/status/1803095374015389770?t=MA3ll6c2GBf0lD3N0kGg-w&s=19

That's the official Twitter account btw

[dapper lark]

the game tells you too at the character select

[junior bear]

Some ppl say they could buy it tho

[rigid wedge]

I think massive screwed up

[junior bear]

On reddit at least

[dapper lark]

but its not in the store

[nimble fiber]

they bringin back recruiter outfit?

[rigid wedge]

Yes but massive messed up

It's not in the store

Was really hoping I know how much premium credits it would cost

[nimble fiber]

so its bugged but they gonna put it on store tho

cuz i rly been dyin i want it

[steep void]

usually 2000 unless there’s some bundle it’s a part of that has a discount

[frigid arch]

its in the store now

or am i late to the party ?

[scarlet plume]

its in the store you just have to check the outfits tab of the apparel store and scroll down to store exclusives

if it isnt there then relaunch the game, that is what i had to do

[frigid arch]

how long does the outfit stay?

[scarlet plume]

not sure but i think i can safely say at least a week

[midnight salmon]

#news-and-announcements message

[elfin hazel]

In Seasons 2.0, seasonal character progression is significantly sped-up, allowing you to reach level 40 more quickly and gain SHD levels at a faster rate. This progress will be shared with your main character at the start of the Intermission. Expertise upgrades will not be available for Seasonal characters. Instead, the SHD Watch bonuses will be increased to account for the missing power coming from Expertise. Proficiency can still be earned by seasonal characters and will be merged at the end of the season. Please note that proficiency alone does not impact gameplay.

🤯

least surprising news

`Will we be given extra stash space and/or extra character slots?

A: An additional character slot will be added to support Seasons 2.0, along with extra storage space. However, it is worth noting that no extra slots will be added for each individual Season.`

more storage space ⁉️

[junior bear]

I hope so at least 500

Also I wonder how much faster will be getting shd be

[elfin hazel]

Right now, there are no intentions to introduce another Incursion or Raid.

this is fine actually

[timber hatch]

I'm guessing they mean the stash stays at 300, but the seasonal character gets its own 300 stash box separate from the main, just like HC has now

[elfin hazel]

`Q: When I have all my inventory and stash maxed out will I lose the loot after the season ends and the seasonal character is merged with my regular roster?

A: Once the Season ends and Intermission begins, you will be awarded a temporary stash to facilitate the transition of the Seasonal items to the main pool. It is up to you to decide what to keep and what to discard or deconstruct during that process. However, please note that starting from Y6S3, if you still have items in your temporary stash, you will be unable to create a new seasonal character`

[hybrid ore]

A: Global Events as they are right now will remain exclusive to non-seasonal characters due to their incompatibility with seasonal progression and modifiers in their current state. They will adhere to the established rotation model already present in the game. Seasonal characters may eventually receive their own version of Global Events tailored to enhance the seasonal experience, but this implementation will occur at a later time.```
Well that should curb some of the anger.

[steel pier]

Lets put bets on the fact the supposed "intermission" they forgot they just pulled outta a hat panicking over the backlash.

"Forgot"

[umbral kite]

dunno what to think about seasonal tbh

[elfin hazel]

I prefer not to be pessimistic

[steel pier]

Still totally against the system and the Q/A Doesnt put my mind even close to impressed by it's implementation

[hybrid ore]

The initial announcement was just that, initial. More was always going to be spoken about.

[timber hatch]

This seems overly complex and very susceptible to bugs.... Also fucks over people who play early on, then quit playing between seasons

[umbral kite]

for me the seasonal isn't a bad idea, what im afraid of is that if the influx of new player isn't numerous, it will split the community/amount of player between 2 different content and we don't have that many players remaining

[junior bear]

Surely they saving it for dlc

[elfin hazel]

doubt it

[low lily]

Yeah that's a no

[steel pier]

Why the hell they dont just go "You can use your main but the season will take longer whereas season 2.0 characters will advance much more quickly"

[elfin hazel]

its just that the DLC is likely the main focus instead of a raid or incursion

[hybrid ore]

Div2 is incredibly busy right now, what's with this "the game is dead" thing I keep seeing pushed lately?

[elfin hazel]

the game is always dead from what I've seen

[hybrid ore]

Unless you are playing with your eyes closed, no it is absolutely not.

[elfin hazel]

every update past TU12(actual game ending update) kills the game in some form or another

according to this chat

[kind veldt]

welp, dont like the changes even after reading the article

[junior bear]

Doesn't seem busy at all for me

[elfin hazel]

theres a lot coming to the game soonish which makes it busy

[keen osprey]

I'm really disappointed. I spent time last week throughout the conversation defending their process and said we should wait till the FAQ article is released, after reading it - I don't feel at all excited. There wasn't a single answer in that article that I had a positive reaction to.

I'd love to know how much deep thought and planning process went into the decision to move away from the core gameplay.

[steel pier]

Because The Development team are pushing out updates the playerbase dont want that will actively push away a narrowing playercount, They're just not listening to us, Season's 2.0 has the largest uproar I've seen on this game in ages and they're basically like

"Lmao we dont care but let us explain how we dont care"

[hybrid ore]

Again, a "narrowing playercount".

[elfin hazel]

the player count is always too focused of a stat for having 0 reliable info on it

[hybrid ore]

You know I think I've got it. They want the game to die so they can farm the DZ easier.

"finally I'll get that 58th Kard!"

[elfin hazel]

red storm is back and they're puttin level 41 gear in the DZ all for themselves ‼️‼️

[hybrid ore]

tl;dr So unless you have actual player numbers, which you do not, then you can not know what the player-base is.
It's that simple.

[elfin hazel]

all this article really tells me is that the idea of its going to take 5 bajillion years to get to shd 1000 again really isnt true

[keen osprey]

I understand they want numbers again and this is seemingly the only way to do it but it really is fucking the people with thousands of hours on their main characters. You can already see that people DID NOT LIKE descent because they started off fresh each time, could they not have just used the play time data for that mode to understand the model wouldn't work well game wide.

[junior bear]

Shd is not shared?

[umbral kite]

even if there is still a good player base, seasonal will still split the playerbase between people running seasonal and the ones still running the normal content. and this is what im afraid of that if we don't have a huge influx of new player it's gonna be harder to do group content (this is what interest me) but we'll see.

[steel pier]

Before you try and sound a Smartass here's some numbers for you:
3100 Players are playing The Division 2

For context, Fallout 76, 5 years old too, with equally as terrible up's and downs, 23,500

[hybrid ore]

Read the article.

[kind veldt]

i dont believe any new gear and modifiers they could push justify the new progression and starting fresh, gear sets and brands have been a lot of hit-or-miss for me, so i cant imagine that having to force to play a new characters only to have another aegis gear set and mosquito as uniquer season gear

[junior bear]

Nah I'm good

[hybrid ore]

According to what?

[dreamy estuary]

is there maintenance rn? i keep getting bravo errors

[hybrid ore]

If the answer is "steam stats". Then oh cmon.

[umbral kite]

that's only steam, 80% of players are on ubi and we don't have the numbers.

[kind veldt]

nope, you have to start from 0 but the watche bonus are bigger since there is no expertise for seasonal characters

[junior bear]

Oof

[elfin hazel]

steam despite being the 1 platform we can actually gauge playernumbers from is so unreliable

div2 was off of steam for the vast majority of its life most players on on ubicon or even EGS

[steel pier]

If the numbers were worth showing off, you think they'd show them huh.

[junior bear]

That's shit...now I just want to know what does season do, if there's any change or it's just normal, but you reset for fun

[kind veldt]

while there is no crossplay it also makes it hard to guess players on consoles

[hybrid ore]

That is really not how MSV work as a company.

[umbral kite]

i would definitly like to see them for sure.

[elfin hazel]

40 million according to the announcement of new executive producer

[hybrid ore]

MSV don't like showing anything off. They didn't even show the WONY trailer until a month and a half before the release.

[elfin hazel]

theres your showing off

[kind veldt]

i mean i wont lie that i'm curious about player numbers

[junior bear]

Probably 10k

To 20k max

[steel pier]

Nor's listening to there playerbase over shite idea's apparently

[hybrid ore]

If we're just making up numbers, it's 11ty billion.

[keen osprey]

You can use the data provided in the twitter season round ups to get an idea of how many people there are.

[kind veldt]

well a guess it's a guess, they are not saying it's definitive number

[keen osprey]

You're slightly over estimating it by 1ty 9

[hybrid ore]

They are using it as the base for a conversation about how the game is dying, saying that it's just a guess is not a cover.

[junior bear]

3k on steam, on ubisoft idk if they count separate, but idk who would want to play there so ig 2k, we can go for 3k ps and 2k xobox, unless it's on game pass we can go 5k~

[hybrid ore]

Steam stats are only for steam.

[kind veldt]

" Non-seasonal characters will require approximately 45 hours to complete, while Seasonal characters are expected to take around 15 hours for the same activities."

so i guess we are getting roughly triple the amount of XP

[junior bear]

Yeah then it's 2k~ for ubi

[keen osprey]

You can't go off the stats. If they didn't see growth we wouldn't be getting a dlc or year 7

[steel pier]

Talking of twitter, the comments under the season's 2.0 tweet is pretty funny, its the only time I've seen Twitter user's actually agree on something.

[kind veldt]

but there is so much wrong with the road to endgame progression that XP boost is not fixing that

[junior bear]

Idk single sane person that would want to buy game on ubi

[elfin hazel]

^^^^^^^^^

we wouldn't be having anything after TU12 really

[steel pier]

Not after the Crew stunt they pulled

[hybrid ore]

I am kind of enjoying how many people are conflating the dev team with Ubi.

they work for Ubi, they are not the publshers.

[elfin hazel]

the problem with having like 500000 studios

and then calling everything a ubisoft original or a ubisoft studio

[dapper lark]

this used to be the only way to get the game on pc

[hybrid ore]

Massive hae been around for what, 20 years now? Bit longer IIRC.

[elfin hazel]

about that yea

[keen osprey]

Like at the end of the day the game was scheduled to be sunset after season 4 because they needed the man power for star wars which at that time was unannounced alongside avatar. Restarting production and continuing The Division franchise in general just shows the money men at the top still see profit from it.

[elfin hazel]

thats pretty much how I see it

[hybrid ore]

Well rumours around Star Wars going to other publishers existed at the time and people did assume it was going to be Ubisoft, but then again the news about SWTOR making a billion dollars also dropped so....rumours be rumouring.

[junior bear]

When did it release on steam?

Ig that could boost it to 5-7k

[elfin hazel]

2023

[junior bear]

Sheesh

[dapper lark]

and steam opens the ubi launcher also

[novel laurel]

I think the season cache stays until you empty it and won't let you make new one till it's empty

[hybrid ore]

So about 3k are accessing div2 right now (I assume its right now) through steam, but yeah, the bulk of players just have it on UbiConnect.

[elfin hazel]

so you have around 4-5 years worth of players on ubicon & EGS

[hybrid ore]

Well not 4 years on EGS

[kind veldt]

as much as i think of it as a joke, it was also sold on epic store

[junior bear]

Still around 20k across all imo

[hybrid ore]

where is that number coming from?

[junior bear]

From me

?

[dapper lark]

nah its not that low, div2 is such a dad game.

[junior bear]

Unless you have some number to counter prove my numbers

[hybrid ore]

I play it more as a mum game

well, aunt.

[timber hatch]

We literally don't have solid numbers, that's the point people keep trying to make

[elfin hazel]

this is true theres a lot of old people I've ran into playin this

[junior bear]

Ofc we don't, that's why I guess it's 20k unless there's somehow 50k ppl hidden

[kind veldt]

i mean honestly it's a complete mistery, siege numbers on steam are closer estimate since it was sold from the start on steam

[hybrid ore]

The fact that MSV specifically added a reward for closing car doors and shooting tyres says to me that the average age of the player-base are into model train sets.

[junior bear]

There would be way more ppl talking about the game if it had a lot of players

[dapper lark]

my neighbor plays it with his brother they both in their 60's lol

[kind veldt]

we dont know what regions the game is popular tho, asian community interact way less in the mainstream western media

[junior bear]

Maybe the grind is real there who knows

[dapper lark]

my global chat is always filled with chinese lol

[elfin hazel]

not necessarily a lot of people likely just don't speak out about things or theres just region differences as birdshot said

[hybrid ore]

@kind veldt I can tell you that USA is quite busy most of the time.
VPN life!

[kind veldt]

that's mostly weird spam

[runic rose]

90% of players are not playing on steam. Even I bought the game again on steam and always install the version without steam from my library. So steam numbers are not valid. Only way how to know “right” number is to use something like tracker.gg and check how many players have moving stats daily

[royal pelican]

China have their own servers

[junior bear]

There's global chat?

[elfin hazel]

yup

[novel laurel]

IMO there's no reason to even try and guess player count, according to this chat no one uses the mosquito or exuro but they were both the most used last season

[junior bear]

Where

[umbral kite]

so without talking about numbers, how about what i was refering to that the playerbase will be split between seasonal and not seasonal that's the only thing im afraid of atm. Like imagine tons of people saying fuck this seasonal shit you will have not alot of people to play in seasonal or everyone going seasonal and you got no one in "eternal" i saw that happens in the past especially with arpgs like path of exile or diablo 4, there is not alot of people to play with in eternal. So what do y'all think about that.

[kind veldt]

hwo do you know that?

[novel laurel]

I think everyone forgets how many players in this game are extremely casual

[novel laurel]

They told us lol

[kind veldt]

when?

[dapper lark]

i wouldn't mind if they had xplay, but we wont see that till div3

[fiery slate]

Do we really believe that though?

[steel pier]

Those statistics were only regarding last season itself, as the only exotic weapons new that season everyone would've. It was written in a way that made it look better than it was.

[elfin hazel]

theres chats for the area you're in on the map that you can unmute

at least on PC

[steel pier]

N o p e

[junior bear]

Ik how to tell game is dead or devs being lazy af ig

[lunar hare]

just check div's twitter

[elfin hazel]

why would they lie about the mosquito bein used a bunch

[hybrid ore]

Jack, they're making a joke. We literally saw the graph.

[timber hatch]

PC only

[elfin hazel]

what would they have to gain 😭

[kind veldt]

i dont remember seeing that tho

[hybrid ore]

Aything that's new to the game is going to be added to the most used list, since people get it from the Season Pass for free.

[junior bear]

There's still no PS5 version, which is hugedownside for gaming, while most games already updated it

[sonic halo]

man im bored in division 2

what else i do, farming blueprint from control point?

[kind veldt]

i mean i also used mosquito to grind proficiency and try it out, well it sucks but i guess lots of people also farmed expertise for it

[novel laurel]

The validity of the post isn't the point. They've also said that the average player gets an abysmal amount of xp per day, most players are never playing anything past normal difficulty

[royal pelican]

Will only play the last two weeks

[fiery slate]

Make people think they’re actually adding new gear so the new seasons are worth it, as opposed to the truth that most of the gear they’ve added is proficiency fodder.

[dapper lark]

no backwards capability?

[umbral kite]

you can't use the PS4 version ?

[novel laurel]

You can

[steel pier]

Watch everyone probably do this tbh, Im either gonna do that or uninstall full stop tbh

[junior bear]

It's different thing playing PS5 version and PS4 version on ps5

[elfin hazel]

????????

[kind veldt]

i mean i know another game that people went crazy when they heard devs nerfed normal that most consider absurdly easy because plot twist, lots of new players tried and failed

[junior bear]

The game has to be on ssd, loadtimes are like 30s~1m on ps4

[umbral kite]

yeah but you can't ask them to redevellop the game for PS5 where the bulk of players are playing on PC, that's just wasted money especially for such an old game

[elfin hazel]

yes we'll make people think we're adding new gear by adding new gear ?????

[novel laurel]

There's no point in a ps5 update coming from someone who played ps5 the first 5 years of the games life

[fiery slate]

Yeah it’s not worth using though…

[junior bear]

I would like it

[elfin hazel]

that doesn't really matter to a lot of people though

[kind veldt]

"hey look the new exotic that everyone's agree is bad is the most used guys" as an argument to try to sell to people as if it was very good, not that i agree with him but it's his point

[novel laurel]

There wouldn't really be a big difference between ps4-5 version

[hybrid ore]

Its a dumb point.

[timber hatch]

That's just the difference an SSD makes... You can also get an SSD for a PS4 and significantly improve load times

[royal pelican]

Community has so many good idea to revamp the gearset and for exotic weapons but they keep adding weird stuff

[kind veldt]

dunno SSD here didnt make game load faster as it's heavy on my CPU and GPU honestly

[novel laurel]

There's a sony branded SSD for ps4 and 5 now

[elfin hazel]

ninjabike backpack isn't "worth" using but I'd bet good money on a lot of people still using it because they're not lookin in here for build advice

[fiery slate]

Hard to say what a casual player for this game really looks like, but anyone even just watching normal content creators is going to know there just not great tbh.

[hybrid ore]

90% of the ideas made here are entirely ridiculous and we know that they'd never work.

[kind veldt]

no spec revamp no seasonal play

[junior bear]

I'm using ssd lol

[dapper lark]

you just need to format a normal ssd and put it in the ps4 lol

[hybrid ore]

For over 2 years, people were asking, no demanding, vehicles.

[junior bear]

Just not nvme cuz that's for PS5 games which the division is not

[fiery slate]

Content creators have pushed the heck out of NBB tho

[royal pelican]

Ninjabike makes a lot of r* build not being shit

[novel laurel]

Ninja is a new player trap that's why players love it

[elfin hazel]

proning & crouching too for some reason ??

[junior bear]

That's what I'm using

Slow af

[hybrid ore]

The one thing that's suggested by no one except for me that I would actually love, is a chat wheel.

[elfin hazel]

chat wheel would be great

[dapper lark]

truuu, chat wheel > emote square

[elfin hazel]

it'd bring a lot of accessibility to raids/incursions

[hybrid ore]

as someone who actually has no way to use the ingame mic, it would make high-end group play a lot simpler.

[novel laurel]

You are ps5 right?

[junior bear]

You can't even ping

[junior bear]

Yeah

[novel laurel]

Does it have a heatsink?

[dapper lark]

a ping system would be neat too.

[kind veldt]

well faster XP doesnt fix the issue of the game being so feature heavy on endgame that forcing a seasonal mode still going to suffer from horrible levelling up process until you reach endgame

[hybrid ore]

pings would be alright, but just a "yes" "no" "go here" "defend" "kill" "activate" would be enough.

[lucid solar]

I just opened 15 exotic boxes and still didn’t get Elmo 😭

[junior bear]

What?

I can't send pictures here

[novel laurel]

Dm me

[hybrid ore]

No image permissions for gen-chat.

[dapper lark]

ye. that would help

[steel pier]

You really think they'd trust us with that lmao.

[warm zodiac]

Hey. Can you tell me please why I can't start national zoo? Only story let me even i did it

[hybrid ore]

Frankly y'all are lucky that the Admins added them for where they are.

I've been on enough big servers to know that they mostly turn out horribly.

[elfin hazel]

I am still surprised td2photos or whatever it was called was real

[novel laurel]

Suprised we haven't gotten them taken away tbh

[elfin hazel]

nightmarish idea

[hybrid ore]

we're quite vigilant at modding them.

[novel laurel]

I still remember when we were finally allowed to post in #td2-build-advice

[wheat zinc]

Did you do it before? If you complete it on story, the other difficulties should open

[novel laurel]

Is that gone now??

[warm zodiac]

Yes i did it 2 times and didn't change

[hybrid ore]

That's a real blast from the past.

[junior bear]

Most servers do

[elfin hazel]

long long gone it was the channel that auto posted things from a hashtag on twitter

[timber hatch]

You really don't need a heatsink for the PS5 tbf

[elfin hazel]

as I said nightmarish idea to autopost things from a site where you can put ANYTHING!!!

[dapper lark]

only game server i know that locks emotes down too is ubi games ( that im in) i have use my KEKW adn :3 cats, its v sad

[novel laurel]

Depends on where you live tbh, some places get way too hot and don't have good AC

[kind veldt]

well same thing with havinga bot that pulls random gifs

[novel laurel]

I know he's not US that's why I asked

[steel pier]

They cant even trust us to say nice things about the game atm let alone post pics 😂
I would know being one of the people doing the first.

[kind veldt]

that just links things with slurs on the description

[hybrid ore]

Having been in many, many large servers where the bulk of emotes posted are just flat-out racist, yeah there's no way they'd be allowed here.

[junior bear]

You didn't reply

[kind veldt]

many block the letter ones for good reason

[novel laurel]

I got banned from the Dayz official discord for swearing, and I don't mean like crazy swearing

[junior bear]

Lmao

[smoky meteor]

Game, stop giving me both G36s and Famas... I love them both too much!

[novel laurel]

They allow absolutely 0 swearing

[junior bear]

Ppl are to soft nowdays

[hybrid ore]

"i got banned and it was unfair".
The amount of times I can tell you people who get banned from this server use that excuse when I can see what they actually said.

[junior bear]

Tho ig official is different

[novel laurel]

There's 132k members in that discord

[kind veldt]

whenever one of my messages here gets deleted due swearing i try to replace with the funniest word i can find to make it outlandish instead

[dapper lark]

most of the one i am in spam dog noses and flags, the ocassional foot, and hekka kekw's and ratjams or some game related emote

[junior bear]

Isn't DayZ like 18+ game

[novel laurel]

This discord is official too lol

[junior bear]

And swearing is not allowed?

[novel laurel]

You can literally eat other humans in Dayz

[steel pier]

You can still get around it easy enough

[dapper lark]

i think i posted sh ib once and it deleted it, i forgor

[junior bear]

Hm it makes sense why I'm here lol

[kind veldt]

but i want to get my comment across and less actually swear

[dapper lark]

shib

nah, must of been xdef discord lol

[hybrid ore]

Okay back to the div2 stuff now.

[proven minnow]

why are they killing div2 with seasonal chars?

[kind veldt]

aka why spec revamp was the only correct choice and seasonal rewards not

[unkempt silo]

only if we knew.

[hybrid ore]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-au/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/1zLPLz9YsHDh806oFUUUhe

[steel pier]

Gotta keep grinding for the sake of grinding bruh