td2-general-chat

[humble epoch]

It's in God's hands

[frozen meadow]

I enjoy the game and don't mind what they add so long as I get more things to do

All I want is a reason to play

I've done everything so even just revoking it all is something new

More to work for

[serene rivet]

Nah bro. 99% of the people here are complaining. Your boat already sunk

[tepid stratus]

maybe the seasonal characters will were differently who knows we don’t have a lot of info

[hollow hill]

Year 6 sounds awesome but y'all are right. It's been a long time for this game and they're making it less grindy which is cool

[frozen meadow]

My boat sunk but I haven't even got on it yet 👍

[forest vine]

Make a level 1 character this season and then delete them at the end of it and let us know how fun it is.

[azure lintel]

Seasonal garbage from diablo? Rip div😭😭

[frozen meadow]

I'm full on character slots lol

[serene rivet]

You really have no clue how big this chance is going to be

[hollow hill]

But if ANYBODY here knows how scary updates are for this game, be prepared for serious game breaking bugs come tomorrow 💁

[frozen meadow]

Nothing I'm concerned about

[forest vine]

sounds like you need to delete a few, then. so you can play new exciting experiences by replaying everything you've done on like a dozen characters! new content! For the 15th time!

[serene rivet]

Well everyone else is.

[frozen meadow]

I have a pve character a pvp character a hardcore character and a shd mule

[humble epoch]

I hope it's totally different

[azure lintel]

They should add gear tempering like Diablo 2, and re-do the bench, so after you spend 6000 SHD levels trying to get a Habsburg unicorn you can brick it by rolling Armor core to Skill tier.

[frozen meadow]

Doesn't impact me, everyone is entitled to opinions

[forest vine]

that's nice, what are you deleting for this fresh new experience starting at level 1 that you're excited about?

[frozen meadow]

I said I'd be fine with it if they added more character slots lol

[humble epoch]

I think it will work like in BDO, the character in the season has more bonuses and wins better (mechanics for newbies)

[desert plume]

I disliked The Heartland, and thankfully it never happened. It would be a 6/10 game with no story and stuff like that, teenagers crappy-looking agents defending some place, with sound design and visuals pasted from The Division 2. I hope seasonal characters vanish like Heartland

[forest vine]

that doesn't answer my qustion though. what character are you deleting to play all this exciting new content you've played through and are excited for?

[humble epoch]

But we'll still be able to enjoy the season's story with our main character that we've been using for years.

[frozen meadow]

Well I'm under the assumption they're adding another slot

[serene rivet]

Ofc, but this chance is nothing to be happy about

[frozen meadow]

I'm happy about it regardless of what you think lol

[forest vine]

another slot to do all the same content all over again on a fresh character. Which you're super excited about apparently.

So why wait 4+ months when you could do it tomorrow?

[frozen meadow]

I am because they're adding more stuff into it

[desert plume]

Division 1 was bad ass, even after the E3 downgrade

[frozen meadow]

Because there's no end goal lol

[keen blaze]

A change alone in itself is not something I can evaluate to being good or bad. I have to contrast it with what I gain and what I lose. They ability or need to do something new as a result of change is also not good or bad. Why? Is what determines that. If someone took all the food in my fridge or the money from my bank account I woud not at first thought assess that this is okay because now I have something to do.

[forest vine]

there's no end goal for Seasons 2.0 either, so get your start early, fam!

[desert plume]

I like how positive you are

[frozen meadow]

The difference is you need food to survive and you don't need division 2 to survive

[azure lintel]

@desert plume Eh... I was invited to all the Closed alpha/beta sessions and I really did not like it, but some people did and people worked pretty hard on it for a while. I'm sure those people would have rather their game came out and be a flop than to have all their work go into the dumpster

[humble epoch]

This idea will disappear man, if a community is not happy with this change, they will have to change it

[tepid stratus]

i try and stay positive. you never know what could happen

[frozen meadow]

They're not gonna make you level up regularly with no change to the character at all. It's not just gonna be locking the seasons pass to a new character

There's gonna be more to it

[keen blaze]

You don't need food for fun. You play TD2 for fun.

[desert plume]

I mean yeah true, but on the other hand, it's hard to stay positive when you know with which company we are dealing with

[serene rivet]

Rn, no there isn't

[shell spire]

Who cares, all our mains are pointless now anyway 😂

[humble epoch]

For the love of this game, we must always remain positive

[lone magnet]

Oh sweet summer child

[frozen meadow]

It's not out yet so can't say for sure

[forest vine]

citation: trust, fam.

[azure lintel]

@frozen meadow speculation on your part to be fair, and very rose tinted speculation at that

[desert plume]

at least in my case

[frozen meadow]

Everyone is speculating right now

[kind veldt]

True

[frozen meadow]

Hi bird

[hollow hill]

In what way?

[kind veldt]

The examples we have are not great tho

[frozen meadow]

But I have a feeling there's some misinterpretation

So I'm honestly just waiting to see, not much else you can do lol

[shell spire]

If new content is locked behind seasonal characters, nothing else matters much

[kind veldt]

We are working with what we have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFOhxfGuwc&t=130s

[azure lintel]

@frozen meadow People are using information they already have about the current game and other games they are trying to base their new seasonal model around, as well as Ubi/Massives track record for announcements and how things get released. Pattern recognition is a very powerful thing 😛

[desert plume]

To me, the dumpster is a better option. I couldn't see the badassery in The Division Heartland as simple as that

[frozen meadow]

And I'm gonna go with my personal belief that they miscommunicated and there's more to it than what people are saying in chat right now

[frozen meadow]

I'm not able to watch it right now

[desert plume]

Bro, you are the Division agent

[forest vine]

Enjoy your copium, Massive/Ubi's track record teaches a great many of us otherwise.

[desert plume]

not some watch dogs 2 teenager

[half leaf]

Please add me to play descent, really want to play it but cant find players, is impossible alone Ubi id Derrame. point included

[hollow hill]

This game has a track record of updating being a shit heap and things get broken or things aren't how they exaggerated it

[frozen meadow]

If you want to be mad about it then go ahead, affects you more than me

[humble epoch]

I just joined the Division Discord to see other players' opinions and it seems to be the same as mine😁

[hollow hill]

PS5 being unplayable for a VERY long week and they only gave 3 exotic caches to compensate 🤣

[serene rivet]

Bro is an imposter

[frozen meadow]

No reason being mad about a video game, if ya don't like it play something slse

Don't continue to play it while actively being mad at it

[forest vine]

you say mad, most of us say disappointed. potayto potahto.

[azure lintel]

@frozen meadow my TL;DR - Looter shooters =/= ARPGs and trying to create a seasonal model that doesn't recognize this is not a very wise thing. All division agents are the same, there are no classes, there are no skill trees. There is loot. That is all. New seasonal characters doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you're essentially striving to get the point you're already at now.

[shell spire]

Nah, this is a super dismissive opinion that I’ve always hated.

[desert plume]

I hope. I mean imagine going through the beginning every 6 months. Also what about optimization of the gear

[frozen meadow]

I gotta pop back to work now, have a good update y'all

[desert plume]

We didn't talked about that

[hollow hill]

I'm not mad, just pointing out what the others are getting at. They're being cautious, and with how long I've stuck with division 2 so far, their updates rarely ever go smoothly without breaking the game

[digital ether]

Yeah, I'm not too excited about it. I was hoping the trailer would get me all pumped to play the season. Instead its rather done the opposite for me. But who knows. Cant tell anything until we know more.

If its not my thing, I hope whoever theyre targeting with this enjoys it

[hollow hill]

New content imo is nice and I'd love to see it myself

[kind veldt]

Have fun out there

[frozen meadow]

I won't lol

[ripe swift]

kids calm down game is cool ^^ its nota pvp rank race 😂 do your things. no one care.

[humble epoch]

No lol, I actually play this game every day, but when I saw the dive in deep video I was disappointed with the changes and wanted to hear other opinions

[shell spire]

Nothing about this game is built around the idea of starting over constantly, it’s nonsense. Yes hardcore exists, but that’s an optional thing for people to do and it’s different

[ripe swift]

game is about to change ? x) i just learn it so i cam back today on that game... 😅 i jsut cam here on discord i was curious i see people crying i dont even know why

😂

[desert plume]

The thing is, nobody is crying. It's more of a concern

[azure lintel]

From a technical standpoint, consider the following: They can't fix Fragile Armor. It's been 4 years now. LOL

[desert plume]

big concern when it comes to our characters

[kind veldt]

Well devil advocate moment, restarting from 0 can work for a short sesssion which was the point of survival, but i dont think it works for long season wide main game

[hollow hill]

The game has a track record of updates going south in extreme ways. Great example was PS5 couldn't play for over a week I think? They gave 3 exotic caches to compensate. Nothing else

[shell spire]

Yeah, trolls are going to show up saying this stuff, I just block them so the grownups can talk 😂

[serene rivet]

2 trolls already here is wild

[desert plume]

Not just main characters, seasonal characters in non ARPG game (yeah broken record again)

[ripe swift]

good thing they can track data ^^ if it can make them do beter game with those data..

[hollow hill]

I'm worried big-time what new game breaking bugs will be added once this new season hits

The weapon talent bug was a doozy 😐

[shell spire]

They big brained it by making the update be game breaking

[keen blaze]

Not dispariging Massive or Ubisoft. They said your XP and abiliies transfer to your main characters at the end of the season. They directly said your main does not have access to this XP or abilities during the season so that they would not have to cotend with balancing issues. That's not conjecture those are facts. What's left is what value is there left in the main characters? When do you actually get to play with them to any useful end? As for your past effort when is the moment you are allowed to leverage that? Those are questions. With the information we have now the answers to said questions do not induce pleasure. Rather, it seems our main characters are more or less no longer relevant. It would be great if Massive demonstrated otherwise. Personally, I want to be wrong.

[serene rivet]

What they want to do is the opposite of using data to improve the game

[ripe swift]

AH x'D

[desert plume]

Yes, I want answers to those questions that's it. When do I play my main character, since I cannot access the seasonal content with him

[tepid stratus]

can’t wait for this update to completely cook the servers for like 2 days

[ripe swift]

what they should do is do TD3, and go to a new map 😄 stop new "season track".. its boring

[hollow hill]

I'm gonna be scouring YouTube like crazy and seeing what the content creators are saying

[ripe swift]

doing 2345245235 times same things.. like meeh

[shell spire]

And all the gear on our mains, it’s just too much to make meaningless

[celest marten]

Nothing short of the game getting shut down would persuade you to stop playing

[serene rivet]

Not going to happen for the next few years

[hollow hill]

Don't underestimate their cookery, it'll easily be 1 week long... What will they compensate us for? Eh, 2 measley exotic caches

[ripe swift]

i know ^^ that's why i just play this game sometimes . i dont play it reglary..

[shell spire]

That you can’t use a month later 😂

[azure lintel]

@hollow hill oh... no please no. "THIS NEW SEASON BUILD UNLOCKS GOD MODE!" YouTubers with 14 minute videos about how Police M4 rifle gets 16% Weapon Damage in season as opposed to 15% in non season.

[obsidian scroll]

Hello agents, does anyone know what time they close the game for the new patch? I don't want to be left without collecting my stars. I am from Europe

[hollow hill]

Nah what I wonder is how'd they perceive the info from the stream?

[ripe swift]

TD1 was great, TD2 was on a good start.. then they started with those "track agent" things where you need to do 15 millions times same things.. likeyeah NO..

[hollow hill]

Manhunts

[azure lintel]

@hollow hill my comment was satirizing the pathetic state of D2ubers

[remote charm]

Yeah. And because It was so much fun to do the same over and over again... THEY GAVE US MORE NOW 🤬😵‍💫

[cinder nacelle]

Wow they are switching to a Diablo-style seasonal character? I think I hate that 😠 . It's not like there are different classes to play. What's the point of this?

I have all my loadouts and everything on my current character. They just want us to be a constant treadmill going nowhere. This might be the end of the game for me.

[obsidian scroll]

Please, can someone tell me what time the servers close? I don't want to lose my red stars

[quick hazel]

Usually in about 5 hours from now, but I can’t find the usual Maintenance post on the Div2 reddit sub.

[shell spire]

Exactly! It makes zero sense

[azure lintel]

@cinder nacelle that's the general consensus amoung people were who are not Massive employees/striving to be an unpaid Massive employee

[desert plume]

Everybody pretty much said this before you. Nobody likes it...

[obsidian scroll]

thanks 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼

[forest vine]

The only way this "works" is if the seasonal modifiers on enemies and players are huge and open up all kinds of wild new builds and playstyles that simply can't exist for "standard" charactrs. But I'm beyond skeptical that they can deliver on that.

[hollow hill]

I'm concerned for our characters as well, and also what bugs will come into play.i do like revamped content but if it makes all the work I put into the game for my gear useless, it's a major turnoff for me

[desert plume]

I think I hate that 😠
You are hating it before you even think, trust me 😉

[serene rivet]

@obsidian scroll #news-and-announcements message
Look here

[azure lintel]

@forest vine they can't 🙂 We all know this and love our Massive devs for who they are. We aren't trying to "fix them"

[remote charm]

If they would do something like this, they would kill every meaning of all the grind the players did in the past 5 yrs. Grinding for gear, optimizing, the last %....

[forest vine]

Unless they considerably truncate literally all progression in seasons (leveling, gear, optimizing etc.), yes. It's why I think so many of us are so deeply confused by all of this because this model is fairly contradictory with the prior direction of the game.

[cinder nacelle]

Okay glad I am not alone here. I really hope they will reverse course on this.

[forest vine]

❤️ them but Division and Division 2, while great games, have been frequently plagued with poor decisionmaking and repeated mistakes.

[obsidian scroll]

Get on at 9:00 p.m., but in what country...? In what time zone???

[azure lintel]

They won't, because it's likely not their call. Ubi said JUMP, Massive says "Ok." not "How high"

[desert plume]

It's not like there are different classes to play. What's the point of this?
There are no different classes but we will have something else (much worse than classes lol). They've mentioned some modifiers iirc, etc.

[remote charm]

My main alone is worth 3.5k hrs. 6.5k hrs on my account for all chars. And now they tell me to flush this down the drain? Hell nah! BS move.

[shell spire]

Imagine not being able to use any of the exotics we grinded for or the god rolls lol

[desert plume]

Man I don't like hating it and so on, but this really triggered me ngl

[shell spire]

Same

[cinder nacelle]

All the expertise... ☹️

[shell spire]

I was so looking forward to the next update, this is a punch in the gut

[desert plume]

Yeah what happens with that

[serene rivet]

It's for your local time

[desert plume]

Expertise. I am desperate for more info

[serene rivet]

A new discord feature

[remote charm]

Down the drain... 🤷🏼‍♂️

[desert plume]

anyway, I go grab some food and catch some sleep. I was barely active on this server and look at me now. Fucking hell

[serene rivet]

Same bro

Gn y'all

[forest vine]

confusion/frustration/disappointment/anger does wonders for engagement

[desert plume]

nice talking to you all

cya around

[azure lintel]

my level 25 gear can now be level 26 gear, thats my take away since nothing in the new season is terribly exciting or worth using over what we already have

[cinder nacelle]

Bye

[celest marten]

I genuinely question why seasonal characters are even needed when they claim “all XP and rewards will be applied to your main character at the end of the season” THEN WHY WASTE MY TIME NERFING ME BACK TO LVL 1?

[hollow hill]

So, with the patch notes, from what I can gather is that for every season, you play at level 1 on your SEASONAL character. At the end of each season, it's added to a roster. What I wonder is, will all of your stuff you earned on your season character be kept and allowed to be used upon next season?

[shell spire]

Because it’s so fun /s

[celest marten]

I first thought it was their kneejerk attempt to get around the inventory cap, but that claim kinda … refutes it? This needed WAY more explanation than a 5 min video

[remote charm]

Yeah.... Can't wait... 🙄

[umbral hearth]

so i was considering getting back into the game but this seasonal character thing is making me reconsider, just seems like itd be a massive waste of time to even get into the game if i have to start over in order to enjoy new content every few months

[celest marten]

I guess Sisyphus had to say pushing that rock for infinity was “so fun”

[keen blaze]

Insanity. We might not get the gear level but we can't lose the drops. That would be a big...well...unclean words come to mind. Holding out hope that seasons are MUCH shorter than they have been in the past.

[azure lintel]

@hollow hill that's typically the case with the seasonal models for ARPGs that they are basing this on, so I'd expect it be as well. Usually seasonal consumable items don't transfer to non season, but division doesnt have consumable items so thats not even an issue

[shell spire]

I’m waiting to see all the final details, but yeah this is probably it for me if I have to start over for story progression

[celest marten]

3 seasons in a year has basically confirmed they are 4 months minimum. Sorry chief.

[quick hazel]

Didn’t mind playing Descent at L1. But you can always go back to your main and whip out your best gear. Now it feels like we may end up fighting another Hunter during the season with crap gear. Lol.

[azure lintel]

I'd eat shrimp, and I f-ing am disgusted by shrimp, if they just added "save your progress" to Descent, but they already said they won't 😦

[celest marten]

even when expertise launched, this all feels like kneejerk haphazard things to keep development going on a game never intended to go on this long with this much gear (hence the inventory cap). They needed a new dump for loot, and now they need a shortcut around the inventory cap to stop people complaining they have no room for each season’s new gear.

Destiny (and trust me, I hate it) figured this out. Why are we doing this shite?

[azure lintel]

@celest marten Because The Lord Yves Guillemot sayeth so, and his will be done.

[shell spire]

And then what, our mains won’t be useful for dlc either? This is bananas

[hollow hill]

We will see how these changes go. If we don't get to use our gear we worked years for, I might just flat out quit this game tbh

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. It's all any of us can do

[humble epoch]

I'm with you

[azure lintel]

Maybe when they realize Division 2 isn't an ARPG and people start leaving they can just say "Oh well!" and start charging subscriptions for a full priced game, because I'm confident it will work out VERY well with R6 Siege

[rare vapor]

love the new changes! (please don't downvote me to hell)

[celest marten]

“The council will decide your fate”

[kind veldt]

dont worry all i can do is stare angrily at my monitor

[forest vine]

Yves is doing his best to destroy the company he built before he retires and damnit he seems like he might succeed.

[azure lintel]

@forest vine God willing!

[quick hazel]

I’d hate it if it was like Diablo where the seasonal character had a separate stash.

[celest marten]

“You guys said you needed more space for all this gear, so here’s your new seasonal ‘stash’! Cool, right?”

[rare vapor]

all cool

[hollow hill]

So cool that they basically created level 50 new cap like some players speculated 🤣

Except the levels reset every 4 months

[celest marten]

Not about to try and convince people who either don’t give a shit or are ”into” the Diablo form of progression. I guess people like to be hamsters in wheels if this is … the only type of game they play, God forbid.

[azure lintel]

The Diablo form of progression is awesome for Diablo. It makes zero sense for the Division.

[celest marten]

Just want to make clear to the powers that be, that this is a HIGHLY problematic idea that should not be going into effect the way it’s been described

[hollow hill]

I'm sure the seasonal characters are optional, which is why they say the XP earned from season characters will be transferred to our main characters. To me, it makes the most sense

[elfin hazel]

I'd hope they're optional but I heavily doubt it

[hollow hill]

If they made our mains now useless, they'd piss off their entire playerbase

[crimson shuttle]

There's a need to clarify how the seasonal system works exactly because until then we will have no idea it works and only assume the worst. If the system isn't optional, the game is dead to me.

[hollow hill]

^

[celest marten]

They seem to have made it clear that seasonal content will be exclusive to seasonal characters. Meaning the thing actually worth coming back for, you have to go back to the grind mine to play

[hollow hill]

It better be optional because if it's not, I also stand with @crimson shuttle the game will be dead to me

[celest marten]

At least if you take the transcript from the showcase as verbatim as possible

[crimson shuttle]

We need to have a helldivers move

[celest marten]

“You and I fucking wish”

[hollow hill]

I'll probably take my lazy ass outside and touch grass

Let's go play some football guys 🏈

[shell spire]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. New things are locked to new seasonal characters, so nothing new will be used for end game stuff like raids? Are weekly invasions done? Wouldn’t make sense to do those either.

If new loot is for seasonal characters, won’t it all be under leveled? I just don’t get how this works with the current framework

[kind veldt]

there is also the issue of how long do you need to play complete a season

are we meant to get stuck wit ha seasonal character as main activity during the entire thing? just first week of grind to get a feel of things? is the main character just vaporware at this point?

[dry musk]

I sure as hell don't hope so

I barely have time to play videogames, losing all progress every season is a big turn off for me and might result in me putting the game down

[celest marten]

"Team, we need to keep players playing and not just leaving for a month. How do we keep concurrent player numbers UP?"

Div 2 was the one looter shooter I found that actually didn't feel like a grind getting through the seasons, let alone most of the endgame (compared to others, anyway).
This change would basically revert 75% of that

[dry musk]

Or they could add new content that keeps the player coming back. Doing 2 bounties and landmarks for 1 week once every month clearly isn't it

[humble epoch]

A modder agrees with us thank God

[tardy goblet]

It's the same as in Diablo and Path of Exile, you make a seasonal character and during that season you only play with that character. At the end of the season, everything you collected on the "season character" will be transferred to the main character. In the end, you do what you want with the seasonal character.

[fickle edge]

Do we know if seasonal characters can do stuff like incursion and legendaries?

[celest marten]

That's not an easy transition to make with a game 5 years in the can, that's developed several long-term progression systems meant for 1 main character. We've been told for years, that they can't increase the inv cap on our mains, so how does a seasonal character where "all our XP and rewards" get transferred? Why do we have to grind out ALL our loadouts again for essentially the same missions for 5 years? (Hell even a third of them)
This game was never built for that type of system, and copping out saying "it's just like that game" is NOT the point people are trying to make criticizing it.

[kind veldt]

we dont know

[celest marten]

This type of idea would have been MUCH more interesting to players as a premise for Division 3 where nobody has any skin in the game, and it's a potential foundation to grow much better than the previous entries. Doing it here, this late, this vague, and this out of the blue, is NOT what most players wanted, especially veterans.

[tardy goblet]

because people finish the missions much too quickly, and they have nothing to do after...

[celest marten]

They never intended this game to last as long, unfortunately, and yeah, that was a shortcoming.
This is not a fix, this is a shortcut for engagement. "Go back to the grind mine and start over, there's your challenge!"

[shell spire]

Bro if D3 is going to be seasonal characters only… that’ll be very sad

That’s nothing worth entertaining now of course

[tardy goblet]

"To create and maintain an ever-fresh experience, each season will introduce a new set of gameplay modifiers, enabling new playstyles and challenges that will require a reevaluation of established strategies and builds." if you want play this game only with your main charater fine but is boring

[kind veldt]

hwo can you estabilish builds if you cant grind for stuff you want?

[celest marten]

This is equivalent to playing a lvl 40 character for 3 months, and then deleting it, saying "I wanted to create a fresh experience" and do it all over again, ad infinitum. Buddy, does that sound much better?

[azure lintel]

I give up on the masks it’s too frustrating

[inner elbow]

I'm not sure how I feel about the partial removal of lv 30

[celest marten]

Far as I’m concerned, nobody knows what these “new gameplay modifiers” are that supposedly require a whole new lvl 1 character to justify the change. Sounds a lot like deliberate, random nerfs to whatever they want, just to give an artificial idea of challenge.

I don’t think finding a new way to play the same campaign again, is really anything different than what the current seasons are doing. So anyone justifying it, just … doesn’t make any sense to me.

[inner elbow]

But on the other hand, I think it's super epic for lv 30 to get world difficulties at last

[frozen meadow]

I haven't even booted the game in weeks

[lament basalt]

What time we getting this update at?

[kind veldt]

#news-and-announcements message

[quick hazel]

Don’t think it was an out of the Blue thing since we did see it on the Roadmap as Season 2.0. It just sucks because they blindsided us with the way they were implementing it.

It seems like a way to make more money out of the game by introducing boosts you can pay for.

The reason why I play Division is because of the simpler season mechanic. I remember trying out Diablo 3 seasons only twice and ended just playing on the main. I hate going back to level 1.

Wony’s 30-40 is already enough as it is. Because at least I can share the items across mules. This season 2.0 just brings me sort of back to Diablo.

[grim cradle]

I love seasons in Diablo but it's completely different. There are scores of different builds and even scores of different ways to make that build.

Division is the complete opposite, plus it had built it's player base on the grind and being in it for the long haul with the library, expertise and optimisation. This throws that all out the window

[sonic halo]

When I’m hearing Massive is making division 3 I didn’t see any update yet.

All video shown on YouTube are fan talk

[coarse trench]

Thought it was all alright, two concerns. 1 do the seasonal characters we create take up 1 of the 4 character slots we have. 2 if we all start playing the seasons requiring a new character everytime what will we use the characters we spents years grinding levels, resources, and expertise not to mention off color items for.

couldn't watch the post show live I don't think I can get the twitch drops now.

[kind veldt]

It only exists on paper as a next project eventually after they finish what they are doing currently

[sonic halo]

Can you link to me, my friend said video I shown it’s a mod

[undone timber]

Oh so that's what they meant by seasonal character

[hollow hill]

Yeah it's a yucky idea

[undone timber]

What so every season they expect you to make a new one for the sake of the manhunt

30-40 and everything?

[hollow hill]

Pretty much

XP and loot transfers back to main tho

[undone timber]

That's so effort though

[hollow hill]

Essentially what they're doing is making the manhunt a "seasonal campaign"

[undone timber]

No more CPs and bounties?

[hollow hill]

🤔🤔🤔🤔 I don't see why they'd get rid of those. They are removing world tier and gear score

[sonic halo]

Is seasonal campaign is a story?

[hollow hill]

They're making the manhunts a "seasonal campaign" more or less. You start from level 1, work your way up, beat the story, season ends, XP and loot go back to main character

Next "seasonal campaign" drops, repeat the same thing I said above

[shell spire]

Worried these weekly scouts are not repayable, like if people are not on every week, that’s it you missed out

[undone timber]

I meant for the manhunt

[undone timber]

Bruh

Never mind they burnt the kitchen down

[shell spire]

Whole thing sounds like the antithesis of Division and everything people worked towards

[undone timber]

I thought they cooked

[hollow hill]

See we all WANTED a revamp of content... Until they pulled an Activision and fucked up big-time on an overhyped unwanted change

[undone timber]

Like man spice things up but don't make life harder for no reason

[neon wyvern]

need more info on the seasonal character stuff cuz the article kinda too vague

like progression boost

[undone timber]

Mhm

[neon wyvern]

how much boost bro

[hollow hill]

^ this. Because I've already dumped 400+ hours into my main, what in the HELL makes you think I wanna restart every 4 months and stuff my main into a closet so it collects dust???

[shell spire]

Imagine running through DC looting shd boxes again for specializations and skills 😂

[coarse trench]

I'd want to use my many builds I've built and optimized in the new seasonal events

[sonic halo]

Yeah very rougelite

Kinda content hate keeping

[real moth]

"Hey remember all those things you spent years grinding for? How about you don't use them?"

Seasonal characters are dumb, weekly scouts sound like a chore, and master difficulty sounds like it sucks for solo players.

[sonic halo]

i need proof to show my friend about division 3

[undone timber]

Need more insight into master tbh

Seasonal characters are straight ass though

[hollow hill]

It's stupid is what it is. Why have everything reset every 4 months and our mains aren't allowed to touch the loot until after the season is done?

[snow bolt]

Seasonal characters mean pausing on your weapons expertise grind.

[cyan narwhal]

its too early to judge after update it will clear the picture.

[hollow hill]

Our mains aren't mains no more

[undone timber]

Wtf you can't just transfer to and from?

[hollow hill]

Nope.

[kind veldt]

https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisoft-announces-tom-clancys-the-division-3

[undone timber]

It's joever

[kind veldt]

any news site would have been enough

the important part is this
Gerighty will remain on Star Wars Outlaws through launch “to ensure the game meets the intended creative vision and provides a great experience for players”, Ubisoft added.

[undone timber]

At least we get next season to enjoy the current system while it lasts

[hollow hill]

Truth. Let's hope they revise or better yet SCRAP their upcoming system

[undone timber]

Hopefully through the next season it kicks up as much dirt as gear lock did

[quick hazel]

They’re probably trying to get us to stop playing just Countdown all the time. 😂

[hollow hill]

Finish Brooklyn dlc and maybe we will 🤣

[grizzled sorrel]

Whats a Seasonal character?

[hollow hill]

Gear lock was the dumbest idea

[coarse trench]

Its been a long time since the dev's have actually played the game. They just work on the game.

[hollow hill]

A character you have to make every single season

[undone timber]

As are seasonal characters

[grizzled sorrel]

Just watched Div 2 Year 6 video on YT

[undone timber]

But I'll wager they've invested too much into it to scrap

[grizzled sorrel]

Isnt it kinda boring?

💀

[undone timber]

So they'll just send it out and tank the feedback

[quick hazel]

It’s the definition of insanity.

[quick hazel]

Maybe they can get proper tank gearset ideas from that.

[undone timber]

D3 my beloved

[grizzled sorrel]

They gave level 31-40 lvl up progression progress for Div 2 Standard Edition players
Which is a good thing

[hollow hill]

Our main characters are no longer our main characters. Our mains are now dust bunnies in the closet. Also, when season ends, seasonal characters are deleted and reset. All loot and XP goes to mains

[hollow hill]

This I agree with. Good change

[grizzled sorrel]

But the 2nd thing they mentioned which was seasonal characters, meh

[quick hazel]

My main still gonna play Countdown lol

[undone timber]

The positive is the unified endgame

The negative is the garbage endgame

Also trash gear

For the most part

[grizzled sorrel]

I thought they were gonna tease their Brooklyn DLC😆

[hollow hill]

My main is gonna go get her ass kicked in DZ by cheaters and griefers

[sturdy sleet]

So how is this transfer going to work with a full inventory? Cause we can’t even get exo crates rewarded when that’s full.

[hollow hill]

They did, by showcasing cutscenes and talking about it

[grizzled sorrel]

Have to watch Ubisoft forward full then

[coarse trench]

all i know it, I've played this series since beta for div 1 and I have zero interest in seasonal characters, no big loss, I'll just move onto something else till div 3

[quick hazel]

By mail. Diablo used to put it in a sort of mailbox that you can open only when you have space

[hollow hill]

Yup, I watched the entire stream today and got the rewards

[rigid wedge]

So.. The seasonal characters thing isn't Opitional at all?

[undone timber]

I left my tablet on through the night and got em

[kind veldt]

not that we know

it's apparently either new format or go home for the later season

[rigid wedge]

Because I'm not gonna make an seasonal character for a season

[kind veldt]

then i guess you wont be playing new content

[hollow hill]

They didn't specifically state it was mandatory, but they didn't state that it was optional either

[quick hazel]

I left my phone on and went to sleep. My phone decided to also go to sleep

[undone timber]

Oof

[rigid wedge]

I hope it is Opitional other wise they ruined such a good thing

[grizzled sorrel]

So we are getting the Brooklyn DLC on Y6S3

[undone timber]

How are these seasonal characters gonna work with the season pass levels

[hollow hill]

Year 7 season 1 I think

[kind veldt]

we dont know

[kind veldt]

it's listed as season 3

[grizzled sorrel]

Nah

[kind veldt]

well year 6 season 3

[hollow hill]

Year 44 season 62

And we will still experience the ammo bug lol

[quick hazel]

You forgot episode 87

[undone timber]

Return to venus

[grizzled sorrel]

At this point,i dont have high expectations for Division 3🥲

[hollow hill]

Oh no, that was 10 seasonal manhunts ago man. I think that 54th reset done your head in

[grizzled sorrel]

I barely get time to play games
Yet managed to hit 1200+SHD level in this game
Now they are saying i have to create another character 🗿

[quick hazel]

It’ll probably be like Div 2. They make the game, release it, pull out the original team and the new team will be trying to fix impossible bugs.

[hollow hill]

Pretty much how I also feel too. I grinded my ASS off for my loot. Now it seems we are kissing it goodbye as our children are ripped from our hands

[grizzled sorrel]

I know you share things to ur other character profile
But its kinda annoying

[undone timber]

I'm pretty unbothered by div3 tbh

If it's good great if it's not oh well

[balmy cedar]

What about gate strat

[undone timber]

Gamings gone downhill

[grizzled sorrel]

Gate strat deez nuts

[undone timber]

If they don't patch I'll riot

[hollow hill]

It's fun for me bc on my steam deck when not on div, I'm playing the older better games 🤠

[sonic halo]

@kind veldt damn, my friend told me “It doesn't explain a change in mechanics”

[undone timber]

I dusted off my old Xbox 360 to play all the old NFS titles

[balmy cedar]

Anyone else got mixed feelings about people not having to be tortured by WONY for SHD points

[sonic halo]

The article didn’t convince him

[balmy cedar]

I got tortured… torture everyone else too

[hollow hill]

Best nfs? Mf you better say most wanted 2005

[kind veldt]

well fuck him i guess, it's not my problem he cant google division 3

[quick hazel]

NFSMW original best NFS

[hollow hill]

Yes!!!!!!

[undone timber]

Obvs the original MW

[grizzled sorrel]

Also they didnt say whether the story content is paid or free

☠️

[undone timber]

But I enjoy the reboot too

[kind veldt]

the next two seasons should be free and regular

[undone timber]

Hell I even enjoy undercover

[kind veldt]

then we are getting into expansion territory after that, so cant say anything really

[hollow hill]

Seasonal. Seasons are free

[rigid wedge]

whoever suggested seasonal characters was probably the same guy who suggested the inventory disabled during combat change that ended up in pve being reverted

[grizzled sorrel]

I mean the Brooklyn DLC one

[hollow hill]

But the bonus loot from seasons is still season pass

[undone timber]

Base game owners now get everything except the gear

[kind veldt]

prob be paid

[hollow hill]

Brooklyn will be paid access

[undone timber]

And new york

[kind veldt]

considering they just made the old one free

[grizzled sorrel]

They didnt say how much that ll cost

Aint no way they will ask 70 bucks💀

[hollow hill]

Still unknown as of rn

[misty vapor]

maybe with season 2.0 i'll find ppl who run smth else than elmo+strikers

[undone timber]

Activision moment

[grizzled sorrel]

Ubisoft also*

[hollow hill]

You'll be seeing a lot of level 1 characters

[hollow hill]

*Goobisoft

[undone timber]

Id assume 30 like WONY was on release

[grizzled sorrel]

Lore accurate Black Samurai Ghost Of Tsushima Remake starting from 70$

[quick hazel]

Half the time I didn’t know what I was doing with the MW remake. Plus I love it whenever Razor tries to intimidate me even though he clearly has a crush on the player character. (Cue True by Spandau Ballet)

[hollow hill]

Boom chicka wow wow

[kind veldt]

you people are really generous thinking it's going to be good as tsushima

[undone timber]

I just enjoy the soundtrack the engine noises and the chaos

Should've been a burnout game though

[kind veldt]

anyhow back to being angry sad about how the next gear set is a piece of shit

[hollow hill]

Makes 5.11 looks good tbh

[quick hazel]

I dunno. I like the rifle brand set.

[undone timber]

It looks like it's been buffed from PTS

[kind veldt]

by 2% per stack

[quick hazel]

I wish the gearset didn’t buff mmrs though. Should just be rifle exclusive

[kind veldt]

doesnt solve the issue it works like crap by extremely low uptime and building stacks sucks

it's not even good for MMR, what sniper are you going to use with? fucking MK20? G28?

[undone timber]

Make aces great again

Give it to rifles

[hollow hill]

I'm thinking the drag

[kind veldt]

it might not ironically be half decent now with the new diamondback

wish they buffed the base 1886 magazine to 8 also not just the exotic

[undone timber]

Apparently its centimetres ahead of high end now

But stacking still absolutely sucks

[heady drum]

ISAC messed up posting the patch time in announcements it says it launches at 12:00PM June 10th for me which is 7 and a half hours ago.

[undone timber]

I'll give it a shot with merciless I reckon

[hollow hill]

It's okay, ANNA will do better

[undone timber]

New seasons out today right

Usual time

[hollow hill]

Yup, still Monday for me so no update yet

[heady drum]

I assume the servers will go down around midnight for me like always so ~5 hours to go?

[hollow hill]

The usual time yes

[odd totem]

When 2.0 releases does that mean all my gear will be obsolete?

[undone timber]

They haven't mentioned anything about an increased level cap

[sonic halo]

jesus, no

[undone timber]

But it will be obsolete on your seasonal character afaik

[sonic halo]

i dont want raise cap level like destiny 2

[undone timber]

Clean slate for everyone every season

[odd totem]

So what about all my gear that’s on my other characters?

[coarse trench]

all useless now

[rigid wedge]

Your characters are just storage devices for the seasonal characters

[quick hazel]

So much for the 3 Oros I farmed to each give my alts.

[odd totem]

Yiup it took me forever to get 3 for each character

The thing is I use my other characters for storage

Since they don’t want to increase stash or inventory space

[quick hazel]

I use my alts for additional box opens for incursion and raids.

Guess that way of farming is over.

[coarse trench]

built and optimized 27 builds, made excel spread sheets, 25 expertise hours of dz farming for exotic cmps, all those builds spread out on 3 characters all the gear sets interchangable with stash space and a 4th alt for storage, ALL FOOR NNOTHING NONW FUCKING DEVS!!!!

[odd totem]

Man I really hope this is all speculation

[quick hazel]

Oof. That’s a lot of time flushed down the drain

[coarse trench]

I always talk up the game, and how the comunity is great and the devs listen and this, this, what they have done, its a blade to the heart T_T

[undone timber]

More excited for trepang DLC now

[quick hazel]

More likely they’ve had this idea way back when already. The best they can just give us at this point is make it optional. Then just have some exclusive apparel or transmogs if you complete a seasonal character.

[undone timber]

Seasonal characters killed my hype

[quick hazel]

I know. I just got my brother to play this with me back up during the Recruiter season. He dropped during the Kelso season and probably won’t come back to play anymore.

[rigid wedge]

So the next season is the division 2 finale

After that it's basically over

So much for The Division 2 having a come back

[undone timber]

I suspect it'll bring in the players who have literally everything and are bored out of their minds

[coarse trench]

im one of those players and no it wont what it has done is killed my interest in playing it at all

[small plume]

When the new season starts, again?

[undone timber]

Seeing as R* is getting away with charging outrageous sums in-game for new stuff to have and do and people buy into it cuz they're bored I was expecting the opposite tbh

[quick hazel]

In about 9 hours. After Maintenance.

[small plume]

Thank God, I'm so annoyed.

And I can't wait to see that new gear set that buffs rifles and snipers.

I wanna see if it will improve my Red Harlow build.

[coarse trench]

there is no point in improving builds anymore, its all seasonal characters now T_T

[small plume]

Wait, what does this mean?

[quick hazel]

We’ll see if the noise and stink the community makes turns something around. Still got until October

[quick hazel]

Season 2.0 mechanic coming up on the season after this one. Seasonal characters = make new character, ignore your main to be able to play seasonal content.

[small plume]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

[quick hazel]

You’ll need to back read this thread to see the drama. It’s great 😂

[coarse trench]

We can cry together, I'll cry with you ❤️

I'll cry for us ALL!

(Cries)

[small plume]

Dude, I don't wanna play Diablo III in TD2, wtf is that?

This is bullshit.

[round stone]

I just bought the game with DLC. Should I jump directly to NY DLC or it’s still relevant to do the very early content ?

[quick hazel]

You, me, and the whole bunch of people here both.

[coarse trench]

i think its a good story to experience

[small plume]

I was getting hyped for those stuffs, now I'm getting angry again.

[quick hazel]

I’d talk this game up for you but, games not worth playing anymore. 😂

[undone timber]

Go through the main story first

[coarse trench]

(still crying)

😭

[small plume]

You know what? I'm not doing this shit.

[quick hazel]

But seriously, play the main. The story is great, plus you’ll get a good grasp of the game mechanics with the mini tutorials. It gets complicated at end game

[round stone]

Thanks !

[small plume]

I'm literally seeing 500 hours of my life being tossed in a trash can.

[quick hazel]

Try 2000. My second most hours in a game was Payday 2, 500 hours.

[small plume]

I lost my desire to keep playing, this news broke me right now.

I'm seriously thinking about uninstall the game and don't return.

[quick hazel]

But what the heck. Devs aren’t messing with Countdown, it’s still good. I’ll keep playing there.

I’m gonna deal with this letdown with more Countdown!

[small plume]

Fuck Countdown! I don't care for this shit cheap mode.

[quick hazel]

They want me to deal with this Seasonal Character Insanity. I’ll show them real insanity. Do countdown over and over hahahahha

[small plume]

Damn, the entire TD2 reddit community is against this change.

They BETTER change their plans about this, because I took my decision, I'll uninstall this game if this becomes a thing (or be implemented the say idiotic way in Diablo III, where you have to make a new character to play the new season).

[olive thorn]

I have a question for all you climbers did y'all solo the summit or did you get help I'm assuming you can go in with friends I don't have any who play so I wouldn't know If its possible

[undone timber]

It's doable solo

Floor 100 is like the only place you could struggle

[olive thorn]

K well I'm on floor 61 and I've been doing 5 to 10 floors a day

[kind veldt]

since i'm a lazy person

i matchmake, help them a bit then go back to solo wit their progress

[urban ledge]

What counts as consecutive kill like a kill 5 seconds apart?

[undone timber]

Kills in a row

[urban ledge]

Ik but what would make it count as one if i killed 8 seconds apart instead no longer procing pumell?

[kind veldt]

i think only restriction is being the same magazine or switching weapons no?

[urban ledge]

[undone timber]

Swapping weapons resets

[fair lake]

They never gave a F, about your opinion. Rotation in Descent is on of the best examples - literally nobody wanted it and here we are

[lunar hare]

I'm updating myself on the new season. What are the "negative changes" at the moment?

[humble epoch]

In Y6S2 (it's far from coming) we will be forced to create a season character each season to play the season's content, making the game a Diablo for life

[lunar hare]

That's gonna be a pain in the A...

[humble epoch]

Nobody liked this change (except for the haters)

[lunar hare]

They just want attention lol

[small plume]

Fuck them all.

Waste of air.

[humble epoch]

I hope the devs see all this discussion against this change and backtrack on it

[small plume]

I might go back to Warframe.

[lunar hare]

woah, stay frosty

[small plume]

Good idea, maybe I should play Frost.

[undone timber]

Nah fuck frost and her stupid floor mats

[small plume]

I wonder if he still good tho.

[humble epoch]

This season boost change I would find useful for newcomers to the game as it would only last during the season that that character was made and so you can play the season on your main character.

[small plume]

Usually I only play Rhino, Mesa, Ash, Valkyr and Excal (Umbra).

[lunar hare]

If they do the S2 changes all people with 4 agents will absolutely leave the game or maybe something like that

[humble epoch]

Maybe they will add more character slots

[lunar hare]

But with the restriction of Seasonal Only imo

[real moth]

Remember how mindnumbingly boring wony mule runs are? How about playing a new character becomes a core season mechanic?

I think the devs forget that new characters feel extremely bad to play to a lot of veterans of this game. You're always just kinda slapping on whatever has the highest level, not making any proper builds. You don't have the shd watch bonuses, so all guns feel less accurate and stable. You have way less damage, and can't benefit from all the things that are fun, all the cool builds you spent thousands of hours grinding for.

[humble epoch]

I just know that. If they go through with this, it will be like shooting themselves in the foot

[humble epoch]

Not to mention that inventory may not be shared

[barren tiger]

so, i'm coming back sicne a new season is about to started...what's going on?

[humble epoch]

@barren tiger

[fair lake]

Not the first time, so nothing new in this strategy

[real moth]

It's like the devs don't understand why we grind on the first place. I don't grind because I think it's fun. I grind because demolishing end game content with optimized builds is fun. So give me more end game content instead of having me redo the grind ffs

[warm minnow]

Doesn’t the season 2.0 gives a seasonal char slot so we’ll be at 5 character slots?

[barren tiger]

wait,so i have to start a fresh character with each season instead of jsut doing it on my main?

[fair lake]

Do you have a separate HC slot since 2020? Don't think so

[fair lake]

Yeap

[warm minnow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[humble epoch]

Exactly

[real moth]

They said something along the lines of "you'll get to keep your character after the season", so it sounds like you'll get additional chatacters.

[barren tiger]

because it's easier for them to balance around low levels with machinics they know?

instead of putting in the work to actually balance stuff

[warm minnow]

Well Im not gonna worry about it since its a few months away so

[fair lake]

The faster you show your dissatisfaction the faster they change.... wait, it's ubi, nothing will be changed, lol

[barren tiger]

the season that starts tomrrow might jsut be my last one then

[fair lake]

All these years of grinding / optimising / building will be thrown away because someone in the office played diablo and thought "what a great idea to start over again, again and again"

[barren tiger]

from the article "with much more control over general balancing " meaning it was jsut easier to start at 1 to balance stuff

[dire mist]

i just switched from console to pc, don’t get me wrong i’m enjoying it but stuck in the mind numbing smack whatever has good damage and grind xp for shd levels

[barren tiger]

instead of taking the hours/days etc to really balance things

[fair lake]

Sure, I believe that. Everything to benefit players, as usual /s

[barren tiger]

lol, i read it as "we have too much to properly balance the game at high levels,so we're resetting everyone to level 1"

or "we don't have the man pwoer to reblance what needs to be reblanced for high level play"

[fair lake]

And also, how will it work from lore perspective? Our agent is robbed every season and asks his elder brother / sister to find pants for him / her? We blasted through everything with one person, one death machine, not a new one every season

[real moth]

"We've added too much powercreep because we don't know jack about balance, and now we force everyone to start over instead of properly balancing it"

[barren tiger]

instead out right admitting that they went overboard on the powercreep they do this

[astral jacinth]

Only 5 character slots? hope you guys dont have mules

[barren tiger]

lol couldn't post a head desk gif -_-

lol, I can't even get to the patch notes form the website from identity provider 'live.com' does not exist in tenant 'Ubisoft' and cannot access the application

[tepid stratus]

seasonal characters would’ve been okay if it was from the very beginning of this game. it’s wayyy to late to add and sounds just meh

and the new gear coming out tmrw is a joke 🤣🤣 it’s so bland and not even going to be used

[barren tiger]

i thought maybe the shotgun? but then was like "nah"

[tepid stratus]

that shit looks so bad 🤣

it looks cool asl but what’s the point of it?

maybe the knee pads would be good for the time trials but like idek

[edgy coral]

cant beat the goodness of scorpio

[barren tiger]

slow their roll? lol

–4% Movement Speed for each pellet

[edgy coral]

might work on PvP but i dunno

kinda niche

[tepid stratus]

lol yeah

[undone timber]

Named gloves and exo knees look cool

As does brazen

[tepid stratus]

omg it’ll be so funny to see black tusk roll in super slow motion 🤣

[fickle edge]

I feel like they're gonna add more movement stuff in the seasonal stuff

[barren tiger]

you know what will bug me, that folks who don't hop online are going to go what the hell come season 2 of year 6lol

[fickle edge]

Dunno if there's some in descent

[tepid stratus]

yeah lol

[barren tiger]

seeing a war hound move even slower lol

[tepid stratus]

lmao yeah

[barren tiger]

and of those most of them will either right out quit or keep playing

a few might get in online to reddit to complain

[tepid stratus]

100% if they don’t retract the seasonal character thing div 2 is going to lose so many people

no like rn reddit div is blowing tf up and twitter about the whole seasonal thing and EVERYONE is disliking it. honestly they might be rethinking it rn lol

[barren tiger]

to be 100% transparent, i stopped playing after the last man hunt and started playing other games.

[tepid stratus]

i personally still play almost daily. just becuase i like making weird builds

[barren tiger]

i'll play through season 1 and TRY season 2

[tepid stratus]

i honestly think they are going to scrap the seasonal characters

they are getting so much hate rn it’s insane lol

[umbral hearth]

its ubi, do you really think they care lol

[barren tiger]

the only good thing i can see based on the video and what i read jsut now is that xp and items go to your main at the end of the season

[tepid stratus]

true

[umbral hearth]

they wont care until player numbers drop and sales drop

[real moth]

Just remember how long they held onto gear lock despite it being universally disliked

[barren tiger]

and from the couple of times i did decsent, it seems like they are apply the "new build each run" aspect to the seasons

[tepid stratus]

they are shooting themselves in the foot

[umbral hearth]

when nobody engages with the new seasonal content, theyll change something

[tepid stratus]

i totally forgot about it

at least they removed it so who knows

[rare vapor]

They won't scrap the seasonal characters. at best they'll simply scrap this game and IP if it gets hate bombed to the heavens.

[tepid stratus]

they are not scrapping the IP i 100% doubt that’ll happen

[barren tiger]

is resurgence due out soon or something?

[tepid stratus]

i think end of summer?

[rare vapor]

they already did it to The Crew

[tepid stratus]

well that’s the crew 💀💀

they have way to many people working on div projects rn

[barren tiger]

with a movie in the works and casting, they could jsut low ball the game till that happens then all of a sudden with a spike in interest do stuff

[tepid stratus]

true

[rare vapor]

point is, its harder to change an in game design decision than to simply abandon the game altogether

🙂

[barren tiger]

i mean Beth and CP both did that

[umbral hearth]

honestly something ive been concerned about for years now

the division has a very committed community, but it doesnt seem to be very large or actively growing

[tepid stratus]

nah they aren’t. the division franchise is “one of their biggest IPs”

[rare vapor]

If Div2 tanks, let it tank, its been 5+ years, it has had enough. if the hate drowns the game, at least we can come back for Division 3

[umbral hearth]

they sure dont show it as much love as their other IPs though

[tepid stratus]

yeah 😦

they said themselves that the division is one of their main franchises

[rare vapor]

doesnt mean anything

cancellation of Heartland already sparked something. dont push it.

[umbral hearth]

theyve been beating a dead horse for about 3 years now, and div 1 seems to be completely abandoned. its only a matter of time before a div 3 announcement or an announcement for development on div 2 to slow down again

[tepid stratus]

heartland was doomed from the start. at first it was going to be a content add on for div 2

[umbral hearth]

stuck with seasonal reruns

[rare vapor]

seasonal rerun was just filler

[umbral hearth]

which at this point, thats what this game needs

[barren tiger]

wasn't that the state of the game after Warloards and a few manhunts?

[umbral hearth]

yea, that was the last time i was really into div 2 and it was pretty grim

[tepid stratus]

yeah

[umbral hearth]

i stopped playing because i thought they had actually gave up on the game and i was losing interest

coming back, things dont seem that much better

[tepid stratus]

they did. they were going to stop support but then after like a year they started content again

[umbral hearth]

yea like i said it was pretty grim

really seemed like the end of the IP

[barren tiger]

at least we'll be able to use our max characters for this season that starts in a few hours

[tepid stratus]

bad times 😞

[umbral hearth]

i will say, the main thing giving me hope for the IP is the references in other games, more recently with xdefiant

[barren tiger]

the cross road books have been good too and the audio only book with kate doing the voice work mmmm

[umbral hearth]

i think atp most of the devs at massive are aware that its time for a new game altogether, but ubi is holding them back

[tepid stratus]

they are still all working on the star wars game

[umbral hearth]

its not unlike ubi to hold back

[barren tiger]

puts on tin foil hat

[umbral hearth]

game that seems very likely to flop on release imo

[tepid stratus]

oh yeah 100%

pretty sure after they finish making that game they are going to focus their time and resources on div 3

[umbral hearth]

i mean the marketing has just been very laid back, and star wars games in general just have a bad rep

[tepid stratus]

yeah

[umbral hearth]

i think fallen order and survivor are really the only two major successes for star wars games in the last two console generations

[tepid stratus]

yeah true but you know it’s disney and that’s money

[umbral hearth]

both battlefronts struggled hard and ultimately never came back from it, squadrons wasnt really successful at all, the battlefront reboots were just a buggy mess of a cashcow

[tepid stratus]

but hopefully after that game comes out they will start working for div 3. this grano just need a new main game to enjoy

[tepid stratus]

true

[umbral hearth]

unfortunately it seems more likely we’ll get another dlc before div 3

[tepid stratus]

yeah 100% which i’m okay with tbh

[barren tiger]

yeah brooklynn which we've known sicne the last road map

[umbral hearth]

really hoping they dont pull a bungie and drag this game out for much longer with the same boring seasonal reruns, thats why i quit destiny

every season being the same

[tepid stratus]

new div game probably won’t happen until 2027?

[dapper atlas]

There'll definitely be another DLC in 2025 -> https://twitter.com/TheDivisionGame/status/1800264175660204476/photo/1

Tom Clancy's The Division (@TheDivisionGame) on X

Couldn't catch the Ubisoft Forward? We've got everything you need to know 👇
🔸Y6 Season 1: First Rogue available June 11
🔸 Introducing One Endgame
🔸 Seasons 2.0
🔸 More surprises await in Year 6

Get the full scoop here: https://t.co/7OhzhL7ZGg

Twitter · Jun 10, 2024, 8:30 PM

[tepid stratus]

maybe late 2026?

[umbral hearth]

i have a strong feeling the last manhunt is the inevitable before the expansion ngl, and that the expansion will just set up a div 3 release within the year after

so maybe late 2026-early2027

[tepid stratus]

yeah that’s been confirmed for like 2 years

[barren tiger]

oh look a mod, that means i can direct my anger over the changes at you right? 😛 jk

[tepid stratus]

yeah true hopefully

[dapper atlas]

Yup, but it sounded like not everyone in here knows about it, why I thought I throw it in here. 😄

[tepid stratus]

this game franchise still to me has some of the best lore i love it. and if they expand on that with one final dlc i ain’t mad

[dapper atlas]

It won't change anything but go ahead if it makes you feel better.

[umbral hearth]

is updated player expression a cosmetic update 😮

[umbral hearth]

its what keeps me coming back

[tepid stratus]

most likely

they hinted at it

[tepid stratus]

same it’s just so good

[barren tiger]

nah, it wouldn't be fair to you

[umbral hearth]

i ironically started playing div 1 when quarantine hit, and ive been obsessed ever since. its the only reason im really interested in this game

[barren tiger]

means we get the carlton dance 😛

[umbral hearth]

i wanna hit the endgame just for the lore, not the min max hell

[tepid stratus]

fair yeah

[barren tiger]

i started playing when TD1 was free for games with gold lol

[dapper atlas]

There's a bit more info about player expression in this article -> https://www.ubisoft.com/de-de/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/72VfO2i8dx7NAhQ2DAHNJ5

[umbral hearth]

also, 🙏 div 1 global event fix prayer circle 🙏

[barren tiger]

so when i click on the link for patch notes i get identity provider 'live.com' does not exist in tenant 'Ubisoft' and cannot access the application

[tepid stratus]

the only reason they are making the endgame unlocked without the dlc is because the level 30 and 40 players where on completly different servers. now they are freeing up space for the seasonal characters

that is the only reason why they are doing it.

[umbral hearth]

oooooh that sounds good

[barren tiger]

AADSTS90072: User account '' from identity provider 'live.com' does not exist in tenant 'Ubisoft' and cannot access the application '09abbdfd-ed23-44ee-a2d9-a627aa1c90f3'(ProjectWorkManagement) in that tenant.

[tepid stratus]

???

[dapper atlas]

Which link?

[barren tiger]

our Year 6 Season 1 "First Rogue" Patch Notes.

[umbral hearth]

man if they stick by this seasonal character thing its gonna be such a major blow to the playerbase

ive seen two people defending it on twitter

the entire reddit (and seemingly the discord too) is against it

[tepid stratus]

yeah lol. they honestly might scrap it. the hate is insane and this is probably the worst thing they could’ve done. and this is like the most the div community has been on one side for a while

[barren tiger]

link address https://tasks.office.com/UbisoftAAD.onmicrosoft.com/Home/Task/6U6EPXs6BkCUEAlT6m-X32UADCrk?Type=TaskLink&Channel=Link&CreatedTime=638521571607660000

[umbral hearth]

thats my thing, id understand them sticking by it if the community was heavily divided over it, but i havent seen this much unified hate for a change since the sonic movie lol

[dapper atlas]

I personally am looking forward to the seasonal characters. While I do understand that people don't want to "abandon" their characters, I have barely anything left to do in the game and start new character runs from time to time to experience everything again without being the overpowered Agent my main character is. So I'm fine with that. 😄

[tepid stratus]

and also like free endgame for like the 2 people that didn’t buy WONY lol like the only people playing the div 2 is people that have been playing from the start

[barren tiger]

i haven't bought it for pc lol

[tepid stratus]

yeah me either lol but i play xbox anyways

[fair lake]

It can be a nice refresh once, but not every time)

[dapper atlas]

I don't know what kind of link that is, doesn't seem like an official link.

[barren tiger]

it's from the article you linked,it's what happens when you click on the link for the patch notes in the article

[tepid stratus]

yeah lol

the only thing is that

now that there’s a ton of hate for a big thing that’s supposed to come for season 2 is like now they would have to come up with something new

and then delays and delays and delays…

[dapper atlas]

Ooooh, I see. Yea, looks like they've added the wrong link in the article. Pretty sure it'll be fixed on the devs are back at the office (it's currently 7 am in Sweden).

[umbral hearth]

be really ironic if tomorrow a few hours before downtime they announce a delay to remove seasonal characters lol

[tepid stratus]

like honestly it MIGHT just be better for them to do it rather then them just delaying and delaying…

[umbral hearth]

or “take a new approach on them”

[tepid stratus]

i would actually shoot myself with a shotgun 🤣

[umbral hearth]

i honestly think the seasonal character thing would be a good idea if it wasnt the only way to do the seasonal stuff

[tepid stratus]

yeah and if it wasn’t added SO late into the game

[barren tiger]

is there anyway for you to let them know about it? 🙂

[umbral hearth]

thats the impression that i get from all this, is that you cant use your main character to do any of the seasonal content, but then again, everything thats been released about it has been very vaguely worded

[dapper atlas]

Sure, will do. 😄

[tepid stratus]

like honestly they barely told us anything coming… i don’t know why but it feels so weird. they used to make a ton of trailers and have live streams for just like a AEASON

[umbral hearth]

if the seasonal characters were an OPTIONAL thing that would be preferable. its a cool concept for veterans that need new things to do, but not for those of us who are still actively working on perfecting builds and creating them

i just want my lore lolllll

[tepid stratus]

yeah agreed. idk its just a bunch of “here we go again”

i’m like level 10k i do not want to restart over and over and over

[barren tiger]

"By focusing the season experience on new characters exclusively, we can create something unique each season with much more control over general balancing and player experience, without being constrained by the legacy of each individual existing characters."

This honestly sounds like "we're in over head due to power creep"

[umbral hearth]

i never realized the seasons were locked behind WONY until today as well

[barren tiger]

thank you 🙂

[tepid stratus]

i like the idea of each season having its own kinda theme and debuffs and buffs

[umbral hearth]

time to take the bungie route, just sunset all the op stuff and readd it overtime lol

[tepid stratus]

but like that should just be with the reg characters as well…

[barren tiger]

"At the end of each season, all your hard-earned XP and rewards will be transferred to your main characters, while seasonal characters will be added to your roster."

I wodner if that means they will remove character limits

[tepid stratus]

i don’t even know if they can tbh

[umbral hearth]

how do they determine which character gets the xp…?

[tepid stratus]

all the characters are tied into one another

like shd level is the same for all characters

[umbral hearth]

ohhhh right

im still not at that point in the game yet and just running with what i remember from the last time i played lol

[barren tiger]

i said before, but to me it sounds they took the "new build each run" from descent and applied it to seasons

[tepid stratus]

they said like a while ago they couldn’t add more stash space because they couldn’t figure it out without breaking everything in the game

[tepid stratus]

yeah agreed. it’s fun for a little but not that long

[umbral hearth]

why is this so common in game dev lol

what seems like the simplest thing to do ends up breaking everything

[tepid stratus]

well honestly it’s not even the div teams fault

massive left to go do the star wars game

[balmy cedar]

Just wait till we can’t see razorback tomorrow

[tepid stratus]

and rn it’s just like a filler team

[umbral hearth]

like the coconut.jpg holding up tf2

[tepid stratus]

they don’t know the code very well becuase they never developed the game. they were just thrown into a mess of code

[umbral hearth]

half of the game is missing textures

[tepid stratus]

and another thing is that the division 2 system is old ass tech. it’s outdated hella and really hard to use

[barren tiger]

tbh i think the game itself is reaching the limit of the code they got left with

[umbral hearth]

BUT HEY, AT LEAST THE NEW SEASONAL CHARACTER SYSTEM WORKS right….right?

[balmy cedar]

As long as I don’t get the missing texture glitch in descent again

[vast knot]

Or that unused blank image in war thunder that break everything of removed

[balmy cedar]

?

[barren tiger]

and instead of diving into that mess, it's easier for them to start everyone at level 1

[tepid stratus]

the system for division 2 is so outdated. it wouldn’t have been if they didn’t like abandon the game for like 2 years and then come back to develop it

[barren tiger]

yeah

[umbral hearth]

just feeling like the seasonal character thing, if it stays, is likely to be broken

[balmy cedar]

What seasonal character thing

[barren tiger]

to be fair to the team, they are making the best with what they have

[tepid stratus]

they don’t have any resources at all. it’s like only 25 people working on the game rn

[umbral hearth]

that should have been the time they decided to just make div 3

[tepid stratus]

oh god he doesn’t know 🤣💀💀

[tepid stratus]

yeah

[balmy cedar]

Bruh

[barren tiger]

At the core of this new model is a major shift - the introduction of seasonal characters. By focusing the season experience on new characters exclusively, we can create something unique each season with much more control over general balancing and player experience, without being constrained by the legacy of each individual existing characters.

Each season is meant to be experienced from level 1, featuring a fully revamped and accelerated progression designed to swiftly guide players to the endgame while gradually introducing all game mechanics to prepare them for level 40. Seasons will offer a flexible structure allowing players to progress in many ways, but also provide clear guidance with series of objectives and projects to accompany players through their progression journey.

[umbral hearth]

oh you sweet innocent summer child

[barren tiger]

that starts with year 6 season 2

[balmy cedar]

Alright but what does this mean

[barren tiger]

easons were introduced to The Division 2 in March 2020 with the release of Warlords of New York. They have become a key aspect of the endgame, yielding positive results that have strengthened player engagement. However, after four years, this model has reached its limit. We have gained valuable insights into what works and what doesn't, and with each new season, it has become a bit harder to bring novelty and surprises. To prepare for the game's future, we needed to reevaluate our season model, update it, and equip ourselves with the right tools to make each season truly unique. Seasons 2.0 will offer an exciting mix of new gameplay elements, new story, and rewards, all presented in a fresh way that allows for greater creativity and surprise.

[tepid stratus]

like

[balmy cedar]

Do I lose my progression

[barren tiger]

reading is hard?

[tepid stratus]

you can only play the seasonal content with a fresh new character

[umbral hearth]

yesn’t

[balmy cedar]

What

[barren tiger]

Seasons were introduced to The Division 2 in March 2020 with the release of Warlords of New York. They have become a key aspect of the endgame, yielding positive results that have strengthened player engagement. However, after four years, this model has reached its limit. We have gained valuable insights into what works and what doesn't, and with each new season, it has become a bit harder to bring novelty and surprises. To prepare for the game's future, we needed to reevaluate our season model, update it, and equip ourselves with the right tools to make each season truly unique. Seasons 2.0 will offer an exciting mix of new gameplay elements, new story, and rewards, all presented in a fresh way that allows for greater creativity and surprise.

At the core of this new model is a major shift - the introduction of seasonal characters. By focusing the season experience on new characters exclusively, we can create something unique each season with much more control over general balancing and player experience, without being constrained by the legacy of each individual existing characters.

Each season is meant to be experienced from level 1, featuring a fully revamped and accelerated progression designed to swiftly guide players to the endgame while gradually introducing all game mechanics to prepare them for level 40. Seasons will offer a flexible structure allowing players to progress in many ways, but also provide clear guidance with series of objectives and projects to accompany players through their progression journey.

To create and maintain an ever-fresh experience, each season will introduce a new set of gameplay modifiers, enabling new playstyles and challenges that will require a reevaluation of established strategies and builds.

At the end of each season, all your hard-earned XP and rewards will be transferred to your main characters, while seasonal characters will be added to your roster.

[tepid stratus]

and after that season is done you have to make a new character

[balmy cedar]

No… let’s throw a bunch of copy pasta around

[barren tiger]

https://www.ubisoft.com/de-de/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/72VfO2i8dx7NAhQ2DAHNJ5

woould you rather a link or copying and pasting the exact same info? lol

[balmy cedar]

So it’s not forcing us to prepare for progression to level 50 so to speak

Cause that’s the direction they seem to be heading in

[umbral hearth]

gonna be real with you, almost none of us really understand it, but from what it seems it seems like its gonna be awful

[balmy cedar]

Also I think it’s cause they keep breaking our manhunts 😂

[barren tiger]

so when season 2.0 starts, your start A WHOLE NEW character jsut for that season

[balmy cedar]

Spent 2.5 hrs farming that manhunt for a green cube I SHOULD have gotten in the first time

[tepid stratus]

they have barely told us anything about what’s happening it’s the new update tmrw also

[tepid stratus]

yeah they were supposed to fix that lol

[balmy cedar]

They’re being really vague idk why

[tepid stratus]

yeah idk either it’s like stupid

[umbral hearth]

not to mention ISAC being wrong about the update times

[tepid stratus]

yep lol

[balmy cedar]

But SHD points are still a thing right… I still can WONY farm in a sense

[umbral hearth]

yall wanna gamble on what all will be broken tomorrow

[barren tiger]

yes

[balmy cedar]

Except I don’t have to do WONY to get points

[tepid stratus]

yeah

[balmy cedar]

Cause fuck those missions

[tepid stratus]

i bet you that i won’t even be able to launch the game 💀

[balmy cedar]

I’m putting my bet on you won’t be able to see razorback

[umbral hearth]

starts up seasonal character
instantly puts you back on the tutorial island

[balmy cedar]

And the diamondback won’t be able to shoot

[tepid stratus]

didn’t even think of that lol

[balmy cedar]

I had a problem the other day during a raid where I was holding the trigger and nothing was happening lol

Rip Charlie and bravo side trying to deal with my ads 🤣

[barren tiger]

So from my understanding once season 2.0 starts, you get start ALL OVER and then when season 3.0 starts, you START ALL OVER AGAIN

[tepid stratus]

bet you that the servers are going to be down for a lot longer than the downtime they say

[umbral hearth]

starts seasonal character
bugs out and wipes your main save

[balmy cedar]

I don’t get what the need for all that is

[umbral hearth]

oh look, a cool new exotic
no textures

[balmy cedar]

Just say you broke the game to the point you’d rather have us use characters we don’t care about

[tepid stratus]

i honestly cannot see them even doing seasonal characters right without actual years of building on a character being fucked up

[barren tiger]

beaucse they got handed a mess of power creep and have no idea how to fix it

[tepid stratus]

div 2 just needs to die. we’ve had our fun over the years. div 3 is needed now

[balmy cedar]

Nah

[umbral hearth]

easy, just add 10 more directives, with one causing your screen to go black every minute

[balmy cedar]

Div 3 would just be day z

So much focus on pvp

[umbral hearth]

another, the game rolls a D20 every minute, and if you roll below a 10 it crashes the game

[tepid stratus]

they are not going to do that lol the game still has its core beliefs

[balmy cedar]

Eh

I’d rather play division 2 till 2030

[barren tiger]

i wonder if seasonal characters can even go into the DZ lol

[balmy cedar]

Screw farming a new game

[umbral hearth]

you’re crazy

[tepid stratus]

ok that’s an insane ass take 💀💀

[balmy cedar]

So WILL I have 5 characters total or I have To delete 1/4

[tepid stratus]

we don’t know

[barren tiger]

don't know

[tepid stratus]

they have barely told us anything

[balmy cedar]

Bro can we get some answers please 😭

[barren tiger]

we don't know what we don't know 😆

[umbral hearth]

actually will be used to mop the floor

[tepid stratus]

we don’t even know what’s happening tmrw lol

[balmy cedar]

Can the devs at least release an FAQ about what they don’t know

[tepid stratus]

like what type of manhunt missions?

[dapper atlas]

I don't know about their plans but seeing how many questions people have, there might be a chance that they'll answer them (hopefully soon).

[tepid stratus]

we need massive back working on the division 😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[balmy cedar]

Do you have any questions 👀

[tepid stratus]

massive please save us 😭😭😭

[umbral hearth]

hopefully between now and downtime

[tepid stratus]

i hope.

[dapper atlas]

What do you mean? They are working on The Division 2 and they'll be working on The Division 3.

[umbral hearth]

im honestly really feeling like the season is going to get delayed, and i think thats what needs to happen

too many questions, too few answers

[tepid stratus]

they actually aren’t

[barren tiger]

well season 2.0 anyway

[balmy cedar]

I’d rather that… more global events lol

[dapper atlas]

Yes, the most important one: Why can't we pet cats?

[tepid stratus]

massive is busy working on the new star wars game lol

[balmy cedar]

Tbf I haven’t seen a cat

[umbral hearth]

WHY CAN WE SHOOT THE DOGS AND CATS

[balmy cedar]

I’ve seen deer and dogs

And rats

[tepid stratus]

everyone working on the division rn is like people from random parts of ubi made into the team we have rn

[balmy cedar]

Why isn’t there an elephant at the zoo

[dapper atlas]

They are working on it. Not all of them, but there's a small crew of people still working on it.

[barren tiger]

why is there pvp in this game?

oh wait nvm

[tepid stratus]

in pretty sure there’s like only 1-2 people actually from massive on the team rn

but we need like massive in general that’s what i’m saying

[barren tiger]

you mean the full studio

[tepid stratus]

yes

[balmy cedar]

Hold up… hold up… I just realized something… I’m being forced to do WONY … it’s no longer optional 🤣

Bro the missions are so bad 😭

[tepid stratus]

division 3 has a ton of potential and i really do think it can be a good game if they do it right and listen

[umbral hearth]

plz bring back survival

[barren tiger]

you'll live if not..can i haz ur lootz?

[umbral hearth]

but the LORE

[tepid stratus]

heartlands was going to be a content update for div 2 and it was supposed to be like a survival 2.0 😭🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

but then they wanted to make a whole spin off 😭

[umbral hearth]

dont remind me of what could have been, im still grieving

[balmy cedar]

It’s not even that why is there an annoying raid mechanic for each boss 😭

[tepid stratus]

😭😭

[umbral hearth]

im still in denial

[tepid stratus]

same lol

[umbral hearth]

it looked like it had so much potential

[tepid stratus]

yeah it really did

[umbral hearth]

itd be hilarious if resurgence includes the only updated version of survival we have atm

[balmy cedar]

Parnell = Williams
Kajika = Feiser
Conley = Morozova
Dragov = Triplets
Keener = Razorback

Why is there so many raid mechanics for WONY

[tepid stratus]

and even after all of this we aren’t getting any new content for a over a year 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[umbral hearth]

you wanna play survival? get out your phone

[leaden forge]

Just watched the Ubisoft forward event...

If it is mandatory to ALWAYS make a new character every single season (To play the new seasonal content) - Then that basically means that our old/main character(s) will end up being semi-retired.

What is the purpose of playing our old characters, if they are locked out of all the new content in the future?

I get that they will be able to mix seasons up a bit more - But a looter shooter to me is a long term grind/progression game - Not something where you start from scratch over and over again.

(That's the exact reason as to why tons of people find ARPGs interesting - FOR A FEW WEEKS. It's draining and boring in the long run)

Yay - I got the the great exotic item i wanted.
Yay - I finally completed the build i wanted to use.
Oh - Now i can play with it for a few weeks, then i have to try to gather it all again.
Repeat > Repeat > Repeat!

[umbral hearth]

honestly thing its a good thing

[balmy cedar]

It’s not

It makes a 1 hr farm into a 3 hr farm

[barren tiger]

Not that it matters but: At the end of each season, all your hard-earned XP and rewards will be transferred to your main characters, while seasonal characters will be added to your roster.

[umbral hearth]

it introduces players to it earlier, making it much easier to learn if you want to do the raids

[balmy cedar]

Half the mission for Kajika is mechanics and dialogue

[tall relic]

At what time is the update coming? Says 21:00 but 21 what time zone

[balmy cedar]

There’s more dialogue than bullets

[barren tiger]

guy just wants to pew pew other players

[balmy cedar]

0400 EST (0700 active)

[leaden forge]

Yeah.. But when a season ends, i have to start a new character from scratch to play the new content again - And do the same grind.
(So it doesnt really matter)

I hate this update.

[barren tiger]

you and roughly 99.9% of the player base

[tall relic]

So tomorrow for me then

[balmy cedar]

Time to send all proficiency caches to mailbox at least… or is the stash available for these characters

/ shared blueprints

[umbral hearth]

thats the funny thing, we have absolutely no clue

[barren tiger]

the timezone is always whatever timezone the office in sweden is in

[umbral hearth]

massive, this is the worst surprise gift ive ever been given!!

[balmy cedar]

You ever got “the gift” with hazard protection and weapon handling?

[umbral hearth]

cant say i have

[balmy cedar]

Where the heck did yall even find this info btw cause the link in #news-and-announcements is broken

[barren tiger]

could you imagine if they had actual devs on here how much hate they would be getting right now 😆

[barren tiger]

works for me

[umbral hearth]

theyre among us im sure

[cyan narwhal]

i think for williams and fieser. kenly college is another example for mechanics

[balmy cedar]

Can’t open on mobile

[barren tiger]

then get off mobile?

[umbral hearth]

i should not of laughed at this as hard as i did

[balmy cedar]

So the link you posted I read all that but didn’t see what you guys are talking about

Must have missed it

[balmy cedar]

Damn I really didn’t think of that

Here’s a 🍪

[barren tiger]

dang kids, i remeber when cell phones were the size of bricks

and car phones had cords

[balmy cedar]

Did they really come up with a new term for legendary

“Master Difficulty”

The recruiter cannot be defeated on this mode I presume

Each season is meant to be experienced from level 1

This has to be a joke

You don’t even reach level 30 completing all the story missions

You cap out at 24/25

Replay doesn’t offer mission xp… only kill xp…

[primal skiff]

So wait is the update out yet/soon or is it another 12ish hrs to goo?

[barren tiger]

a few hours i think

[dark sand]

good luck need my sleep .. got college and part time work tommorrow won't be back here for a few days or will come back next week ..

[dapper atlas]

9:30 AM CEST, 3:30 AM EDT, 12:30 AM PDT - So in like 1 hour and 40 minutes maintenance will start

[primal skiff]

Gg man take care

[dark sand]

gotta give you a hug (imagine me .. just imagine it am a bear and hugging you .. but not too strong but soft and comfortable hug .. bye bye cya later)

[primal skiff]

I did

[dark sand]

🫂

[fair lake]

Sadly, it's how it'll be. Our voices are never heard, so adapt or leave - that's the new way of devs

[balmy cedar]

With headshot damage on the new gearset it’s another dead one, that’s on them lol

let’s just make a nerfed aces and put rifle damage

[primal skiff]

I mean hotshot made aces not that relevant

[hybrid ore]

If hotshot is a 10, then Aces remains a solid 6-7.

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PSA to all: you've got about 30 minutes until the Season is over. make sure you spend your GE (Global Event) stars and finish up the Manhunt as much as you can.

[primal skiff]

Welp a new tech would be fun last time we got something new was lau and man that achiles one i think somehow made one of the best skills bad

Idk what usecase it can have if any can help me plz do

[low lily]

I am actually pretty excited, every season probably will have like a slight twist how you play also. If you check how other games are doing it example diablo 4.

[hybrid ore]

They have confirmed that you do keep your other characters.

[vale rune]

Will the shed progression end, i mean level 40 is max, no shed level 1 ....

[hybrid ore]

and the xp earned on the "seasonal character" transfers somehow.

Yep, no more sheds. It's now a tent.

[vale rune]

Yeah it transfers to your main character:)

[sonic halo]

i like ace and eight, got cool animation card flip : (

[pliant sentinel]

still upset i didnt get the two masks

[sonic halo]

i was like that

[hybrid ore]

Aces is by no means bad, it's just mostly outclassed.
It's kinda like the Famas nowadays.

[vale rune]

Tent?

[fair lake]

What do you think about this new characters every season stuff? I can't understand locking plot to new characters

[hybrid ore]

I think that the Seasonal Characters thing wasn't explained very clearly and we're going to have to wait until after reset to see what they actually mean.

[pliant sentinel]

whens the reset

[hybrid ore]

23 minutes

then 3 hrs down (likely to be extended)

[pliant sentinel]

seasonal characters is literally the coming update?

[sonic halo]

3 hour update? there will be diamond back rework?

[hybrid ore]

all the new stuff they mentioned should be starting after the server reset, yep!

[low lily]

It's season 2

[hybrid ore]

It's been a while since we've had 0 downtime between seasons, I'm excited.

[heady drum]

Seasonal characters are a part of season 2 season 1 is launching now.

So 3 months from now that should launch.

[pliant sentinel]

getting mixed comments

[dapper atlas]

Seasonal characters won't be part of todays update.

[scarlet plume]

seasonal characters come in the future season 2 year 6 update, todays update is season 1 year 6

[sonic halo]

so you saying the update include diamondback rework?

[pliant sentinel]

[dapper atlas]

Here are the details for what's coming in todays update -> https://www.ubisoft.com/de-de/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/9XK0DbaxzntoNxXqC5ftY

[hybrid ore]

Okay so seasonal characters are later, cool I guess.
the main thing is the lvl 40 change-up. From what I can read on the post, it looks like that'll mean that buying WONY just gets you access to the NYC map and that campaign, but you can reach Lvl 40 whilst staying in DC.

[vale rune]

Season y6 1 is normal but with alot of changes. But seasonal characters is y6 season2. 2.0. i just wonder how the manhunt will be if we dont should kill keeners rougue agent but cooperate??

[sonic halo]

keener just switch team

kelso like "goodbye division"

[low lily]

I have a feeling that we will get some really big twist at the end, considering the seasonal characters will be all starting from 1 so on like story wise that should still mean they are new agents to a story?

[sonic halo]

im thinking if we playing a voiced character than silent protagonist

[hybrid ore]

Sokolova's Cloning Factory is up and running and we hijacked the production line.

[sonic halo]

voiced seasonal character in story wise

[vale rune]

So season y6_ 1 we keep our shd level progression with main character? The manhunt keener is different from the manhunts we had?

[hybrid ore]

We will all find out that answer in about 3 hours or so.

[vale rune]

Im home at 4 pm , need to do some workout. After that i check changes:)

[fair lake]

I wonder how watch boost is going to work (the one which instantly gives you lvl 30 now) since there are no WT anymore. Will we get lvl 30 or lvl 40 instantly?

[dapper atlas]

All I wanna find out is if we'll actually finally be able to join Keener (whatever that means). 👀 The manhunt part in the article makes it sound like we might (hopefully) be able to form an alliance with him? Could it be? Will my dreams finally become true?

[hybrid ore]

Isa, do you want to pretend to be friends to steal that jacket?

because I am on board with that plan.

[dapper atlas]

I wanna marry him. But once we are married I'll ask him if he'd be willing to give you the jacket.

[vale rune]

It says we should form an alliance with keener so dont understand how the manhunt will be y6season1

[low lily]

Maybe our character dies end of the season, that's why seasonal characters are coming 🤣🤣

[fair lake]

Manhunt doesn't mean you have to kill the main target

[hybrid ore]

they've confirmed that our main character continues, but each new season the character is folded in some way to our main.
also Isa lol :p

[dapper atlas]

🤭

[vale rune]

But its says we should cooperate with keener rougue agent and keener. So this time there will be no kill target. Might be the same as kelso manhunt?

[fair lake]

And Cpt. Lewis

[hybrid ore]

It's written down and people still can't spell Rogue lol.

[fair lake]

You forgot Momento meme instead of Memento?)

[hybrid ore]

Arialdi is the one that actually got me.

and yes, that's wrong. It's actually Airaldi.

[pliant sentinel]

hopefully the keener outfit is lvl 5 on the premium pass

[hybrid ore]

Hey wait a tick;
Warlords of New York remains available as an additional purchase, offering exclusive story content, New York South Manhattan map and special gear.

called it!

[vale rune]

i should give this all a try i think, not quit

[hybrid ore]

I wonder if owning WONY is still required to get the WONY related gear, or can base game players get that stuff too.

and if they can, what is the "special gear".

[fair lake]

And WONY related skills (decoy, traps etc.)

[hybrid ore]

gear here covering exotics, guns, armour, skills.

because ceska, striker, coyotes are all WONY locked. So going to the endgame with no meta Strikers build is going to be....confronting for some players.

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***Happy end of Season Time! ***