td2-general-chat

[hybrid ore]

you don't by any chance have the Lady Death exotic on, do you?

[wraith current]

No lol but I kinda want to try it now

[wind lynx]

I am not trying to take anything away from anyone, just speaking from my own experience.

[broken solstice]

certain field of vision type adjustments make your character look like they move faster

[wraith current]

Get some zoomies

[hybrid ore]

It's average at best a gun, but it is fun.

[small spear]

well, you did ask if shotguns were useless, i'm just answering in the negative and giving you the reasons why

[wraith current]

That's probably it actually. I did increase FOV before I took a break a few months back. Forgot I did that

[kind veldt]

Shotguns are definetly strong bug high risk

[lilac hull]

question - in order to trigger the 'perfect sledgehammer' effect,
can u just equip LEFTY?
or must u switch to LEFTY before u throw a grenade to enemy?

[kind veldt]

hunters fury pretty much kicked from being meh to very strong

[heavy prism]

What is your playtime @wind lynx

[wind lynx]

700 hours, over 2k shd.

[small spear]

still rather new

[kind veldt]

it's knowing your range

that's it for shotgun

[heavy prism]

And what have you been doing in your playtime?

[wind lynx]

Well i am at this point,where i have everything i wanted to have in the game. Almost everything fully optimized, i don´t play for gear anymore. I also have almost all resources completely full since i don´t have anything that i should spend those resources on.

I am usually running control points and open world for fun.

[heavy prism]

So most of your game activity is open world heroic?

[wraith current]

Max expertise? You can spend those on whatever you might still need to level there

[wind lynx]

I don´t care about expertise, i feel strong enough with my high end off meta rifle build. I also don´t care about exotics, i like to use basic weapons.

[wraith current]

Well just something to work towards y'know

[kind veldt]

i'm pretty much in the same situation, only play when new content drops the difference is that i spent a lot of time since day 1 with shotguns to find all kinds of way to make them strong, so right now they are pretty good just very limited in range

[hybrid ore]

@wind lynx Send us a screenshot of the main page of your personal build over in #td2-build-advice and we'll see what we're dealing with, could be fun to try out something new.

[small spear]

the reason why he's asking these questions is you're not doing enough challenging content that encourages you to vary your playstyles, so you finding shotguns hard to use with your current playstyles is understandable

[wind lynx]

well the high end build is all red, UIC/ACR SS as main weapons, honey badger second gun, contractor gloves, fox kneepads, it is basic

[small spear]

nothing wrong with open world heroic either

[kind veldt]

sadly even with high accuracy shotguns range is very limited due drop off, so there really isnt a good way to increase their range

[wind lynx]

I tried to play incrusion with some people, tried raids, tried dark zone, legendary... not fun at all to be honest.

[hybrid ore]

what about the other 4 pieces?

[wind lynx]

I will make a picture give me five minutes

[small spear]

legendary, incursion and raids definitely need more engaging playstyles to be fun

[kind veldt]

incursion and raids are definetly more min-maxing scenarios that you dont want to off meta since they are made to push people into the best

[heavy prism]

So, how do you usually clear a CP4?

[broken solstice]

i cant stop reading their name as skellington

[hybrid ore]

wait it's not? I've been resisting calling them Jack this whole time.

[wind lynx]

well i don´t have fun with the AI there lol to be honest. I like challenging games (i play lot of hardcore tactical shooters) but the AI was just so over the top and it was taking any sense of immersion from me away to be honest.

I actually like when enemy AI is smart and is using some tactics over having insane aimbot, armor and god knows what else.
Heroic control points are like this enough edge for me.

[wraith current]

I've been running striker with elmo and apartment a lot since I've been back. Elmo is still wild

[hybrid ore]

is a skelethon like when people call up to donate via a phone but instead it's just human bone puns?

[small spear]

well legendary NPCs are smart, use tactics AND having the damage to pull you apart if you're unprepared. the point is if you're already dying from taking too many shots you don't really see the level of coordination they have in taking you out

[heavy prism]

You should not play division like a hardcore tactical shooter

[wraith current]

Oh and cabaret

[heavy prism]

That in itself is not being tactical with what you can do

[small spear]

it's still very tactical, but it's also a rpg

you can balance it so that you don't have to be as tactical so you have some leeway in survival, that's where the rpg kicks in

[kind pulsar]

Nick gone and done touched the car again (Your pfp is a dead giveaway, love it!)

[wind lynx]

sorry man, i cant take seriously snipers coming from close range with their pistols and trying to face tank me. The AI on legendary is the same the only difference is that they have no cooldowns for drones and can run and shoot at the player.

I never noticed anything smarter than what they do on heroic.

[wraith current]

Lmao hell yea that vid is hilarious

[kind veldt]

behaviour is more faction + enemy type

[small spear]

that's the rpg aspect you're not taking in. NPCs do not die in one hit and they take advantage of that to rush you

[kind pulsar]

That Markiplier ahh face was legendary, bro knows what's up 🤣

[hybrid ore]

@wind lynx what kind of hardcore tactical shooters do you play? might help us here.

[kind veldt]

true sons/BT are a lot more about supressing and abusing skills while while hyanas and outcasts are about bumrushers

[wraith current]

"Tacticool"

[wind lynx]

the AI in the game will face tank even when they are low on health to be honest.

I like ground branch, i played some tarkov singleplayer, insurgency sandstorm, arma, and FEAR from 2005. i also tried ready or not but the AI was just awful.

[heavy prism]

Without footage, I can only assume. But your playstyle could likely be physically sitting behind one piece of cover, trying to do poke damage, and seemingly taking too much damage because you felt the enemies were too tanky and you peeked too much. You try to move to get closer, end up in open space and die. Is this description accurate?

[wind lynx]

and yeah ghost recon breakpoint.

[small spear]

and the drones, grenadiers and other archetypes you may be bothered about all have weaknesses you can exploit. like you can always shoot off their drones, and they will keep letting them out. you kill them so easily by just killing their drones and exploding them

[wraith current]

Is tarkov SP worth the $ and effort?

I don't own tarkov

[broken solstice]

na a skelethon is when a bunch of skeletons run 26.5 miles

[wind lynx]

Well i should be quiet here. I don´t own tarkov as well lol.

[hybrid ore]

I wouldn't exactly call FEAR a tactical shooter.

[wraith current]

Sall good lol and that still helps kinda. Gonna look into it

[kind veldt]

first one is semi clever AI with a lot of tricks to seem smarter/ level design made for them

[wind lynx]

It is more like a horror game, but the AI is mind blowing and i can actually play it like that. Suppressive fire, cover fire, flanking them, all kinds of stuff works there.

[hybrid ore]

I owned them all on the PS3. They're more arcade than div2 are.

[kind veldt]

fear 2/3 AI is definetly dumber

[wraith current]

Fear 3 was so bad

[hybrid ore]

I love that it was called F3AR.

[kind veldt]

i mean fear 1 is pretty solid and has decent AI it's not the end all but well put together nayhow back to division

[hybrid ore]

because thats always a good sign something is gonna suck

[broken solstice]

fthreer

[hybrid ore]

Fant4stic

[small spear]

division's rpg aspect kicks in where your tactics aren't the only thing mattering anymore, it's your build, combining both will determine your combat efficiency

[hybrid ore]

Expend4bles

2om Clancy's Division 2.

[kind veldt]

division plays by shooter rules with RPG stats to fiddle where you want stuff to play out

[wind lynx]

I am only talking about first fear. The AI did so many cool things all the time when i played it.
Jumping through windows, making cover out of anything. Chaos Theory Splinter Cell has also dope AI but that game is not a tactical shooter lmao

[wraith current]

Yea fear 1 was good

[wind lynx]

but so far i would say sentinels from GR breakpoint offered the best enemy AI experience i ever had in direct combat from any game.

[kind veldt]

a lot is making arenas custom made for theri AR

that was good for FEAR 1

[hybrid ore]

I mean it was fine, but kinda average even at the time.
but I digress, div2 is as tactical as you make it. You can just sprint at the enemy and get shredded or live depending on your build, but if you live you are gonna take a while to kill them.

[kind veldt]

i mean breakpoint AI felt sloppy for me, it's just them spreading out and them funelling in any scenario that isnt a good open giant arena that they are already spread out

[lilac hull]

are expertise shared amongst characters?
Or is it individual progress?

[small spear]

breakpoint humans also just die in one headshot so eh

breakpoint drones are more comparable to division

[wind lynx]

The AI in Breakpoint is reloading their weapons, they will use cover fire for their team mates, suppressive fire on the player, grenades to flush him out, flashbangs, they will get insanely aggressive when they have upperhand, they will fall back into cover when player has upperhand. They are trying to hide when they don´t see the player, they have recoil and bullet spread. They feel REAL, which rarely any shooter games offer.

[hybrid ore]

the AI in breakpoint also sprints directly off cliffs.

[small spear]

...that's also in division

[hybrid ore]

ive seen it happen.

its hilarious.

[kind veldt]

well anyhow shotguns have to play very risky hyper agressive so even if shots dont know you do enough damage to hit invisible stagger damage and buy yourself more time, playing very close to cover and enemy so you can reduce exposure and just kill one at a time pretty quick

[small spear]

i just think you get shredded too fast to see that behavior

[hybrid ore]

in my head I play the "goofy getting exploded" sound effect.

[heavy prism]

Well, your expertise level and proficiency are shared. Individual items expertise are not with the exception of skills.

[wind lynx]

I managed to finish legendary run with a good team. I was bored to be honest, so i really don´t saw anything clever. It was just meat grinder and everyone was a rusher.

Anyway nah, overall i have most fun with rifle high end build. After they buffed the weak weaponts, it is really dope

The UIC is underrated gem. Top tier handling, accuracy and stability.

[small spear]

because everyone is playing aggressive, so the AI is responding to that. your teammates are killing them too fast

[wind lynx]

Lightweight M4 is also nice, but ACR SS has amazing handling and fast RPM. Smashes everything in heroic.

[small spear]

your playstyle is more passive

[kind veldt]

well shotguns is about staggering at close range to buy enough time for the second or third shot to kill at max

turn a 1v5 into 1v1 x5 is the best way to play them

thats why hunters fury stun is also pretty strong

[hybrid ore]

It's not a speed contest, but how long do you take to clear a CP4 by yourself using your rifle build?

roughly.

[wind lynx]

Fast to be honest. Depends if i wanna stay on the back or push forward.

But it never feels like a chore.

With UIC it takes longer,since it has slow fire rate so i am using that for long range. For close combat, lightweight m4 or acr ss are shredding.

[broken solstice]

theres a least one rifle that has higher damage AND higher fire rate than UIC and the handling is just as good

[wind lynx]

which one? but UIC looks cool af so i love it for the way how it looks, lmao.

[small spear]

i would call fast to be like 3 mins for the attack phase and 5 mins for the defense phase, and that's being generous

[kind veldt]

Mk47 might be better?

[broken solstice]

mk17 is

[heavy prism]

I'm sitting in cover, I have just shot the enemy once in center mass, he only dropped 1 armor bar, in that time that I took to aim, I received 5 shots from the enemy, dropping me to health. This game sucks, why enemy not die in 1 hit like breakpoint?

Does this sum up your experience?

[wind lynx]

well i am not speedrunning control points, i like to have fun. i don´t have any reason to play it faster to be honest, since leveling, gear, resources are not anything i need at this point.

[small spear]

not the point, it's just to evaluate your playstyle

[wind lynx]

Nah, i never said that i wish enemies died faster. I said that i wish certain enemies had bullet drops (shotgunners, or smg hyena jumping on his toes) when my agent cant even handle properly LVOAC with its recoil.

[kind veldt]

nah that doesnt appear to be the case here just how "gamey" this is compared to other stuff he likes, people like who like flying sims dont really mix with ace combat arcadey despite looking pretty

[small spear]

i think we can just boil the root cause down to "not enough tactical, too much rpg"

[wind lynx]

I wish i could actually crouch as well or something that enemies can do. Sniping in this game could be dope if i could hold my breath and PRONE, like true sons snipers can do.

[heavy prism]

And, what I described is "gamey" behaviour from this game

Which he seems to have trouble with

[kind veldt]

well thats more high difficulty scalling and knowing their range, pretty sure hyenas have higher damage than regular true sons but less range and accuracy but the heroic scalling just pushes to a point the range and accuracy disavantage disppears mostly

[small spear]

that's doable when your build has 100% stability. so it's one example where the thing you're looking for comes from your build and not natively built into your kit like in other games

[wind lynx]

well you took it like i am saying the game sucks man, which is nonsense. the audio quality is mind blowing, the DC looks amazing and the map is top notch. the game has other qualities i love about it, i just wanted to have certain understanding with shotguns. don´t narrow my point of view like that. i put over 700 hours in the game for more than just one reason.

[wind lynx]

i put my build into the section with builds so if you are curious you can check

[kind veldt]

dont think that owuld help, the way cover is set up visibility when laying prone would be almost negative so you wouldnt be able to hit anything

[heavy prism]

Firstly, most rifles in this game are poorly balanced for handling, but I don't believe that is the root of the issue, as you seem to have trouble with the recoil of other weapon types as well.

Most enemies do have bullet drops, whether you noticed them or not, and they do miss significantly more in long ranges, especially if you are adding movement into your gameplay.

[hybrid ore]

I do just want to make the point as well that if you want to kill stuff at longer ranges and be tactical about it, you might want to take a look at Marksman Rifles instead of just Rifles.

[heavy prism]

The things you described, being sniped from across the map by enemy with a shotgun, while possible, can be avoided by changing your playstyle and learning fundamentals of the game.

[wind lynx]

I found that in this game, flanking and getting in direct confrontation is little bit suicidal cause the spawns. Most benefits i got is from staying on the back and having a room for exit or something like that.
However the aimbot thing is still there and i would expect a hyena guy with smg, using one hand, sideways/hipfire be poorly accurate on long range.

I never liked the combat with hyenas, black tusk and true sons are different and i have actually fun against those factions.

[small spear]

without seeing how you actually play i can't really comment on how difficult you find spawns

[grand swan]

Hello chat

[wind lynx]

well i witnessed the game spawning enemies out of thin air in the middle of the road or from bushes. which is really not nice to be honest

[small spear]

no, they climb up from manholes and run out from doors

[wind lynx]

they spawn out of thin air as well. i cand send you some videos, i am not the only guy who experienced that lol

[hybrid ore]

or jump out of a van, which is fun.

[kind veldt]

really depends on what range we are talking about, this game plays out a lot more between 0-30m then breakpoint 50-150m AR range

[small spear]

they only do that if you go out of your way to run to their spawns where you're not expected to be, i'm talking in speedrun contexts

99% of the time they spawn from predictable locations

[wind lynx]

i remember i was doing black tusk convoy and the game spawned multiple elite dudes out of thin air. not sure how player should be able to handle that.

oh yeah, thankfully the out of thin air are not that often. it is not like all the time. mostly they will run out of doors

[kind veldt]

they really dont appear out of thin air have spawn points, can they be right next to you? definetly but they have to open something to get there fist

[hybrid ore]

Whereabouts was this convoy?

[heavy prism]

It could very well be your PC

[hybrid ore]

if its where I think it is, it's almost certainly that they jumped out of a van.

[small spear]

don't recall a black tusk convoy spawning from thin air and i'm among the most convoy farming people here, would like to see a clip

anyways the point is spawns are predictable, the only RNG is which of the spawns they come from are and which enemies actually come out from them, on heroic and below. in legendary it's 100% predictable

[heavy prism]

Alot of things in this game are client sided, so while your surroundings may appear to be rendered, enemies may be invisible or appear out of thin air sometimes especially with weak GPUs

But 99% of spawns in this game, come from objects like doors

[hybrid ore]

doors, trucks, manholes, and the occasional "manhole inside trees so you cant see the spawn location".

[wind lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U6m8_0rrVw

Something like this happened to me few times.

But with multiple hostiles at once, middle of road or from bushes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXP4tKJqfUc

Another example.

[grand swan]

Man imagine if seeker mines started doing a super jump using a bit of the explosives

[kind veldt]

that definetly lag/something loading later than it should

[grand swan]

It would be scary as hell a literal explosive ball jump this high

[kind veldt]

definetly an issue but not natural behaviour that i see constantly

[broken solstice]

yeah i have watched convoys approach me and on the map theyre right on top of me. but in the game no one is around for a few seconds and then they pop in. i guess maybe theyre spawned but not rendered for some reason

only a couple times tho

[wind lynx]

Like i said it does not happen all the time, it is not often. Most of the time, the doors are main spawn point.

Someone suggested me using sniper rifle well i have problems with snipers in the game.

I have one picture where i have hyenas in my scope. But the bullet drop is so low in this game, the bullet basically was not able to travel to the enemies. So even if they are rendered, in some distance the bullet will not travel there which kinda sucks to be honest.

[small spear]

this part they're definitely intended to come from the underground manhole. they may have fixed this already

[small spear]

there is no bullet drop, and bullets stop hitting after 100m. a way to know this is to see if you see the enemy health bar when you aim at them. if it doesn't show up, your bullet won't hit. remember, this game has hitscan bullets

[wind lynx]

yep good point, no health bar, no way the bullet will travel there. which is a shame and really defeats the sniper build, since being a sniper means to be as far as possible

[small spear]

i mean it is also a reasonable limitation to make the hitscan system work

[wind lynx]

but i get it, no loading screens with traveling, huge open world...

they had to cut corners somewhere

[heavy prism]

Sleigher tho

[small spear]

maybe some or most of the other games have projectile bullets so that throws you off. aiming is so easy in this game

[wind lynx]

well the snapping animations of enemies don´t help, they have sometimes really inhuman speed when in direct combat. mainly if they wanna do the jump roll and will cancel it in the air and will be on their feet lol

any cool off meta builds you guys tried for open world?

[small spear]

i do agree that that is still a problem

depends on what you mean by "off-meta"

it could just be a super fast killing build that no one has discovered yet

[heavy prism]

Chameleon

[wind lynx]

like something not strongest but still fun and strong enough. hard to say. for example, the one fire build was fun to use in a group play. like putting status effect on enemies they are on fire. that was fun to use in a group lol

[small spear]

that's definitely meta

eclipse protocol fire is a meta build

[wind lynx]

yeah but i mean something like that, like where you are not strongest but can help the team or do still some damage without going rambo

i dont know how to put it in words

[small spear]

then you're looking for support builds

[wind lynx]

I play solo mostly so something solo

[small spear]

future initiative healer, ongoing directive buffer

lol then why did you mention "help the team"

[wind lynx]

like i said i was not able how to put it in words the thing i am looking for lol

[heavy prism]

Chameleon is the answer

[small spear]

any build that can work solo will work in a team, but not otherwise

[heavy prism]

Start using the chameleon

[wind lynx]

i am not a fan of exotics in the game to be honest lol, i barely use any

[small spear]

i'd be interested to discuss if the reason isn't just surface-level like because it's an exotic

[wind lynx]

nah, i hate the way how they look. they are god awful most of the time (scorpio mainly). with shotguns, i love hearing the sound how shells are dropping on the ground. and with AR guns or smg guns, i love when i can build my own look for the gun. with the attachments and stuff. it makes it more "personal" for me.
i also realized that in the past, i was heavily depending on exotic stuff. scorpio is easily the best thing all around with its status effects, elmo as well. what is the purpose of running honey badger, when i have elmo with 80 shock rounds right?

so i decided to go from different perspective and use basic looking guns. it is way more fun for me and the combat has some stakes as well because of that.

[small spear]

that's a surface level reason

[wind lynx]

I don´t think so man, the scorpio does not giving me any sound satisfaction. No shells dropping on the ground, no pumping action. Basically things you will get from "basic" shotguns in the game with pumping action.

[small spear]

well, it's more surface level than saying "it's too strong"

because you'd have to explain why it's strong

not liking stuff because of how they look is among the most surface-level reasons

[wind lynx]

Nope, it is one of reasons why i am not running exotics. I don´t even like how they sound, i don´t have any reason to run them in first place.

[broken solstice]

if shells/casings all made noise when they hit the floor it would get extremely annoying to use ARs, SMGs and LMGs

[small spear]

all of the reasons you gave (how they look, lack of customizability, how they sound) are surface-level reasons, when the real reasons why you debate to put or not put them is how well they mesh with your build

[hybrid ore]

You are aware that most of the exotics are just the gold guns but with skins and talents, right?

[small spear]

exotics lacking customizability is quite literally the point

you can't mod them with any stat mod you want for the sake of balance

[wind lynx]

And also honey badger is my favorite weapon, i am using it in all games where it is, i even own that piece. Of course i will prefer use Honey Badger over anything else.
Well, i know that if i would use for my high end build coyote mask, it would give me huge benefits but i am doing completely fine without that.

I also used them in the past a lot, now i just don´t want to anymore.

[hybrid ore]

what is your goal for div2 now?

[wind lynx]

I am now looking for a ways how to effectively make "weak" weapons work.

[broken solstice]

shouldnt be hard

[wind lynx]

Like for example, i have the blueprint of savage wolverine. So i think finding a build for that would be nice.

[small spear]

that's where you make your build better to complement

[heavy prism]

Quite literally, you improve your skill. Then any gear and weapon combinations "work" for most content

[small spear]

but you're limiting your options

[hybrid ore]

Savage Wolverine is just a Honey Badger with a bad talent, aka: Close and Personal

[small spear]

this is Raucey's video "Viable Build". you can make literally anything work if you know how to play

[wind lynx]

I am not limiting anything, i am looking for ways how to use like 90% of any other weapons apart from elmo, scorpio or bullet king.

[small spear]

then you make your gear pieces better

or you improve your gameplay

...until you realize you are trying too much to make a bad weapon work, and there are legitimate reasons why people don't run them

[kind veldt]

generally everything work if you have the right amount of WD, crits and talents

[wind lynx]

so what is the point of the weapons being in the game then? 😭

[kind veldt]

mistakes happen in balance, not everyone can be a winner sadly, stil lwaiting on double barrel shotgun buffs one day

[small spear]

it's a RPG, there is always a "most effective combination", not everything will be equal in terms of power or viability

[kind veldt]

and dont let me start on the semi auto snipers

[jolly talon]

@wind lynx Really dumb question and i really mean no offense with this , i want to make that clear . But are you enjoying the game as a whole ? Just curious about that

[small spear]

devs will buff or nerf or otherwise rebalance things to shake up things

[kind veldt]

and new content does add new gear that cna make new combos with older stuff

[heavy prism]

Nerf chameleon when

[wind lynx]

Oh yeah the LVOAC is god awful to even use.

I am actually, i put over 700 hours in the game. I don´t think i would enjoy it that much in other case. I am trying to have a normal discussion here.

[hybrid ore]

best burst DPS isn't enough? 😉

[small spear]

again, 700 hours isn't that much, and you haven't experienced the content in this game in their best light

[kind veldt]

i mean i dont have much above 1k hours and would say that above 500h is pretty good

[hybrid ore]

the time spent does not matter one bit, it's just a measure of how long you've logged in for.

[small spear]

yeah, you can play for thousands of hours on normal difficulty

[hybrid ore]

what matters is your knowledge of the game.

[wind lynx]

700 hours is completely fine since i have everything i wanted in the game to have. Yeah maybe i dont own big horn, eagle or ravenous but i don´t see why should i go for this, when i already have my favorite stuff.

I play only on heroic with three directives all the time.

[small spear]

if you don't have them, how will you know if they will or won't be your favorite?

[hybrid ore]

by this conversation over the last few hours, it's becoming quite clear that you missed a few steps.
It's worth finding a new player guide and "restarting" of sorts.

[kind veldt]

i mean i just wanted weird semi sniper/AR hybrid

big horn is big fun

[wind lynx]

Why? What the hell man.

[kind veldt]

EB is just meh

[hybrid ore]

everyone needs a refresher at some point. If I tried to play me3's CoOp right now I'd be awful too, and I've put hundreds of hours on 2 different platforms.

[heavy prism]

Your playtime and what you have quite literally gives zero information on your skill and knowledge as a player.

[small spear]

i think i got my point across at this point, you don't really have a big drive to push for challenges in this game so you're fine with the stuff you have

[random quest]

He's using 700h in addition to saying he's enjoying the game, that's all.
You guys also keep bringing up the RPG aspect - here's another one, wanting to use something because of the looks.
Everyone should somewhat take a step back.
Everyone has some good points (gameplay/style wise), but the really important thing is whether or not you have fun while playing. And to make one note - this isn't build advice. In build advice we can say USE THIS GUN BECAUSE 3% MORE DPS, but in here - that's not the point here.

[wind lynx]

I came back into division 2 after like six months, where guns like UIC were complete garbage. I came back when they buffed those guns lol.

[hybrid ore]

rudolph you've kinda come into this convo halfway and assumed a fair bit.

[random quest]

I've read everything, kinda moot assuming I haven't while saying I assume lol

[wind lynx]

Yeah i actually have fun with things i have and i didnt had fun with the biggest endgame content (legendary/incrusion) so i just don´t have any reason to go for those things anymore. I played with a good team as well.

[small spear]

that's missing the mark a lot when the subtext is just telling him he's not enjoying the game for what it is.

the looks, the way the guns sound, again while are important aspects, isn't the point of a shooter PLUS RPG. i emphasise the RPG part because it's quite integral to the experience, and he's not having fun BECAUSE of the RPG aspect

[hybrid ore]

This whole conversation started because they're not very good with shotguns in CP4's.

[small spear]

if he can't enjoy the game because it's a RPG, then there's almost no point because it's literally what the game is

[kind veldt]

yeah in that point i just think your playstyle just doesnt mesh well with how shotguns need to be played, nothing wrong with them nothing wrong with you either

[heavy prism]

When will walking aimbot play raid shadow legends

[small spear]

lol

[wind lynx]

Hey man, to be honest yeah i would love to play a version of division without these things for sure, with stealth and other things. Basically the beta version we never got, i agree that i am not a big guy into rpg.

I also play without the mini map, with no numbers on and with as less HUD as possible Division. If there was an alternative for me, i would do the jump shark but there is not sadly.

[hybrid ore]

I don't recall stealth being part of the beta.

[kind veldt]

at that point it would and not be division at the same time, we have a lot of time people saying the would want division with ghost recon gameplay

[wind lynx]

I watched a video of one guy and at some point, there were some stealth takedowns and you used your skills as a diversion if i remember correctly.

[small spear]

stealth is just in the demo trailer, but we can agree on there needing to be a game like division without rpg

[hybrid ore]

If you mean live-service games, there are way too many, most died.

[kind veldt]

well heartlands from what i know goes waaaaay closer to the shooter side than RPG side we will just have to wait there

[hybrid ore]

div2 has survived due to its incredibly dedicated playerbase and more than a bit of luck.
clearly what it does is its own thing.

[wind lynx]

It is not like i wanna ghost recon: division.

I would love to have a third person tactical shooter game in a urban scenario.

[hybrid ore]

Breakpoint.

[kind veldt]

the last two ghost recon games really dont feel urban at all

[hybrid ore]

there's city areas, ish.
or maybe just wait for the Splinter Cell remake.

[wind lynx]

BP is not urban much. There are cool locations like hospital, airport but division 2 is mostly urban. Tight corridors, and shit

[hybrid ore]

I recommend Blacklist if you want a good stealth tactical shooter.

it goes on sale for almost nothing.

[wind lynx]

blacklist is dope for sure

[small spear]

^ agree

[random quest]

It was one of several major show-points in the E3 Demo for TD1, but was scrapped along with the mobile application integration where you could call in airstrikes aswell as care packages

[wind lynx]

blacklist has the best takedowns i ever experienced and the gunplay was dope as well

[hybrid ore]

ah so div1, not div2.

I got mine for literally nothing with using the discount code the sale before last.

[small spear]

i grinded blacklist hard before jumping onto rpgs as a whole and div1+div2 specifically

[hybrid ore]

take advantage of those sales folks, they're super good.

[wind lynx]

Blacklist has also honey badger awww

[hybrid ore]

PETA are gonna be mad.

I was gonna say RSPCA but no one here knows what that is.

[small spear]

there's one of those challenges where you defeat all enemies within the time limit and i replay those so much because it's just so much creativity for the player to explore

[wind lynx]

but i would say blacklist is not a good tactical shooter. it works well with stealth things but in direct combat the game feels weird.
mainly the autoheal is awful.

[jolly talon]

I do 😛

[hybrid ore]

hey SEA!

[jolly talon]

I was very active in the UK and the Commonwealth countries 😂

[hybrid ore]

I am looking forward to the splinter cell remake though, I hope its as good as the other recent ones have been.

[jolly talon]

If I remember correctly the new expansion is going to take Div 2 to Boston?

[hybrid ore]

not quite, the new DLC is confirmed to be at least partially set in Brooklyn.

so NYC again, a little bit.

[wind lynx]

i hope it will be like the first one or chaos theory. i miss some slow stealth games.

[hybrid ore]

From the rumours that I've heard (which are baseless) it's inspired by RE4: remake.

so I'm hoping for scope.

[wind lynx]

i would also argue that the remake NEEDS to have a proper atmosphere.

like phones ringing in offices, rain on the background, complete darkness when lights are off, interactive places (like computers we can search things in, lot pick doors).

These things made first splinter cell and chaos theory so good, these tiny details on the background.

the CIA level is so fun. listening to the conversations how the agents are tired in the middle of night, opening all doors possible, everything like this made it so immersive

there is in chaos theory a radio that plays made up songs with a dj talking there as well. love that shit

[hybrid ore]

I'd say that they likely know what the nutters who still love the first couple want and will include them if they are allowed to.
I hope for a more Fallen Order situation over san andreas.

[wind lynx]

i am highly skeptical lol at this point.

i hope the remake will be a phenomenal i hope me being skeptical was wrong. i wish it was the case.

[hybrid ore]

I see no reason not to be hopeful.
If it's as good as that SWAT 4 unofficial sequel was, I'm happy.

[wind lynx]

well it is still ubisoft. so ....

[hybrid ore]

Sure why not.
I'm going to head off before I get a migraine.

[kind veldt]

just wait and see, the chill way is the right way

[full zinc]

whats this stand for again? people eating tasty animals🤔

[kind veldt]

people who complain about cod for some reason sometimes?

[full zinc]

lefty /stage left/any other regular sledgehammer weapon needs to be in hand when grenade is damaging npc. something like survivalist fire grenade has an extended time that it can proc sledge. as long as you time it right you can switch to lefty after nade is thrown , before it detonates.

[broken solstice]

i always like to hear about how division isnt like another game for whatever reasons

[twin osprey]

I’d love for the DLC to bring back either survival or underground… tbf I needa run paradise lost at some point

[hybrid ore]

Summit is pretty much Underground.

but just up instead of down and across a bit.

[twin osprey]

Never got around to playing Underground, was about to start playing it but by then most of the community had stopped

[hybrid ore]

You know that one Bounty location in NYC that's underground, near the chinese store?

Underground is a lot like that, but bigger.

[twin osprey]

Ahhh

[kind veldt]

underground like countdown had a good pace, easy to just set in and play

[hybrid ore]

oh and Hunters could spawn that would 1shot you with a melee attack.

[unique bramble]

And when they down you, they use a shock stick to shock and then execute you (with a cool execution animation btw). In the div 2 they are just bullet sponges with a very high weapon damage.

[dense saffron]

I would assume d3-fnc could reduce the damage the axe attack does at least when it’s classified

[fiery cloud]

Hey Rivens, Local

[empty wren]

Anyone else still experiencing deltas every run?

[lunar hare]

no?

[empty wren]

must be my bad wifi lol

[torpid tendon]

In division 1 yes, you can take 5 hits before losing the shield. I was running a 9100 hp classified.

But if u take it from the back.... Well, ur dead

[split sail]

Happy Easter, does anyone know when the current season ends? How long do I have to finish the track?

[dense saffron]

True, I’m still working on a classified d3 build

[full zinc]

good evening Saph

[lapis junco]

Why are people saying happy Easter on Good Friday

[exotic blaze]

I don't see a problem with that

[exotic blaze]

9 weeks 3 days

[bronze cosmos]

How many exotic masks are in countdown

[kind veldt]

3
One for each color

I forgot the name of the other two who are not coyote

But all 3 are top tiere

[bronze cosmos]

Yea I’m trying to farm for coyote

[empty wren]

Is ubisoft down or is my wifi really this bad today? delta'ed 5 times, and now I'm getting Bravo-04 and Mike-01

[sand herald]

Ok am gonna ask a question that will prolly get me banned

Can you use 3party crosshair's

Light Hudesight on steam etc

[kind veldt]

As far as i am aware not a good idea

[full zinc]

If its something built into monitor it wont make a difference, but 3rd party software overlaying data will probably be detected... kinda unnecessary tbh

[sterile ferry]

Vile & Catharsis

[kind veldt]

i keep forgetting, yet both are very good

[bronze cosmos]

Where do I go for incursions

[sand herald]

I just don't like the shit one that comes with division 2 😛 personal thing i guess

[kind veldt]

corner of the map or talk to helicopter pilot

sometimes the menu for incursion matchmaking is kinda buggy and greyed out

[torpid swan]

hey there

[lilac hull]

are there 'difficulty settings' for descent?
or is it just one mode 'normal' like incursion?

[small spear]

only one

[dire ravine]

I'm still getting deltas after the update

[hidden prawn]

Keep getting loading screen after exiting the DZ door.

[kind veldt]

DZ sends you to other servers so it might do that

or you mean a loop of infinite loadings?

[random quest]

Been noticing it, but - I'd really recommend that you posted your questions/messages in one channel at a time - it's quite bad etiquette to post it in several channels

[balmy cedar]

Just the room difficulty

Harder difficulty = more door spawns and from what I’ve seen more enemies

+1 elite?

[shy musk]

need more raids...... need more incursions......

[shy musk]

you have 2 months or so dw

[hidden prawn]

yeah it was 5 or 6 in a row, left it alone for a minute and worked fine

[trail mirage]

what is descent?

i unlocked it but no idea what it is

[kind veldt]

roguelike mode

clear rooms, get random bonus, collect money buy and select new gear to keep going down, fight a boss and cash in rewards when you leave

[hidden prawn]

FYI a lot of people think the convoy at tidal basin is fixed, it def still works

[torpid tendon]

So, I've been trying to do summit heroic and 8 directives... The loot still trash tho 🥲

[sterile ferry]

Probably better off doing legendary with less directives

[hybrid ore]

@torpid tendon The way loot in div2 works is that as you raise the difficulty, you improve the overall average % of rolls, so your loot will generally get better, but you can get worse on higher.
you have to find a balance of speed vs quality, or just go for sheer quantity and run Countdown if you don't want to think.

[hybrid ore]

@trail mirage If you want teammates for Descent, check on down in #lfg-pc

[jolly talon]

Morning agents

[trail mirage]

nobody answers in tht

[torpid tendon]

Actually I cleared the first 15 floors pretty fast. I was only doing it cuz of the weekly project. Legendary missions are wild, I've got 2 maxed hive mods at once. I actually saved that clip lol

[hybrid ore]

@trail mirage Unfortunately doesn't matter, we all follow the same rules.
Try "call for backup" ingame or maybe one of the other big div2 servers.

[kind veldt]

bit of late question but should we be at 50% or 47% at the end of the current manhunt?

[dire ravine]

Mine is still at 47%

[drifting raptor]

Will the exotic SMG still drop on normal in incursion

[idle wadi]

Anyone willing to help me grind for the Bighorn

[warm minnow]

Yes as its the only difficulty

[trail mirage]

are raids only for dlc?

[reef reef]

you can go and complete each of the raids without the DLC, but finding a group these days will be harder, as most ppl do have the dlc

[trail mirage]

damn alright

[vagrant mica]

hey all. getting back in to the game after not playing for 2-3 years. have 500+ hours in to the game, stopped playing after the iron horse raid (completed several times). Is there anything i should know immediately?

[jolly talon]

Damn i just nearly got the complete Grizzly set from the cache keys i saved up 😂

[muted sable]

redownloading after a good bit of not playing. excited to see how this runs on my new pc

[north furnace]

do people play darkzone? and is it any fun without meta builds?

i recently just finished world tier 1 and not fully maxed out at lvl 40

let alone have any coherent build rn

[low lily]

If you like being down 90% time in pvp scenario then of course it can be fun, don't forget there is a lot people who have played it 5 years and they have min maxed builds

I personally love dz and that's the only thing I do besides Incursion pretty much

[north furnace]

ahh that what i assumed. whats incursion? are those raids?

[low lily]

In a sens yeah but it's more casual and 4 man team

Of course with randoms you can still do that like 2h and wipe on bosses and if you learn a little bit it's a decent 10min mission

[gilded perch]

Meta build won't make you being invincible, but at least you have higher chance to win if you facing same skill level player with trash build

Personally, I having a lot fun when I use off meta build, since I strong enough to carry them and against meta build

Meta build not equal fun, also off meta not equal no fun, but less frustration definitely make you have more fun

[neon wyvern]

Bruh it's pvp u can't tank any chances

[gilded perch]

Also skills and game sense from div1 start in 2016

[random quest]

U can't take any either

[wanton kelp]

Hello! Never played any Division game before. Was thinking about picking this up to play with friends. We've played games like Borderlands and Remnant together and enjoyed them. Are there character classes in this game? How deep are the rpg/building elements? Can you play through the story together?

[reef reef]

There arent any character classes, but once you finish the first "part" of the game you gain access to specializations, which are kinda like classes, but they dont dictate much past what special weapon you have and what your armor kit can do. Building elements are varied but really open up at the end of the DLC, which (along with the base game) goes on sale very often. You can play through the story together

[jolly talon]

I am happy i got my coyote mask today , now I just need to get myself an Iron Lung and I will be happy xD

[random quest]

As long as you get it in game and not irl

[jolly talon]

🤣

In game mate 🤣

[undone timber]

Are you sure the spice hasn't already gotten to you

[random quest]

What spice? O.o

[undone timber]

The fumes coming out the mask

[random quest]

Oooh, it was draconis being on spice, gotcha

[broken solstice]

spice is over rated. sure you're able to experience all moments in time simultaneously but it turns you into a worm man. nobody likes the worm.

[random quest]

is that like the muffin man?

[broken solstice]

yea except totally different

[undone timber]

Moar-dibps

[jolly talon]

Oh no trust me xD

[pearl prism]

Hi guys, I just return to game. Does invaded dark zone disable shd turret?

[undone timber]

Oh bruh I just gave mantis a real shot and it's actually a pleasant surprise how fun it is to play w the decoy

[kind veldt]

if you mean the one watching doors, yeah

[dry agate]

is there any way to get St. Elmo's Engine Exotic?

or something samilliar

[pearl prism]

Yes, so what happened?

[kind veldt]

anywhere really, elmo isnt a limited drop just grind anywhere with AR targetted loot or buy exotic caches from countdown

[kind veldt]

invaded DZ has less "rules" and is more unfair if people want that extra tense PVP

[undone timber]

? Just means you're not protected as you come out the checkpoint

[kind veldt]

if a rogue wants camp a door, hope you can kill him fast

[hybrid ore]

Or just TP to another one.

[pearl prism]

I see. This explains the increase number of rogues recently

[undone timber]

If you wanna just farm steer clear of the invaded dz

[pearl prism]

How do I change it to non invaded?

[kind veldt]

rotates daily

just have to move somewhere else

[pearl prism]

Thanks, Im just getting bullied and get camped everywhere. I will wait for tmr

[undone timber]

Just go to a diff DZ

Invaded dz is where everyone gets ganked

[kind veldt]

If you want DZ specific itens you can test your luck with named items caches

[wanton kelp]

Anybody care to weigh in on Destiny 2 VS Division 2?

[zinc shadow]

division 2 is better

[coral rock]

Since there is no topic for Countdown I write it here. All who plays Countdown, guys please spread the word!

The Reactor and Laboratory Main Task(!) big yellow crate is still bugged!

Interacting with it may cause game crash.
All other main task crates are safe.
(Trello says nothing about this error, but it exists. Playing too much to know this.)

[hybrid ore]

Totally different types of games and not comparable in the least.

[wanton kelp]

They seem pretty similar. Both are coop shooters with light rpg elements.

[hybrid ore]

I've been playing the div franchise since before 2 was released, and des2 since the battle.net days.
They are super not similar.

If you're trying to ask which one you should buy, people in the div2 server are going to tell you to buy that one.

[finite kraken]

If youre going to buy div 2, buy it on pc or ps4/5. When i play on xbox its super dead

[hybrid ore]

xbox does have its own on-console LFG feature, which is where most people find groups for it.

[rare dust]

Can the Coyote mask from from mask allocated loot ? Cant seem to find it on Google 🫣

[hybrid ore]

Yep, it's actually the best way to get it.

then either Countdown+exotic caches, or +Directives.```

same goes for about 90% of loot in div2.

[rare dust]

Thank you

[kind veldt]

div 2 also has a way smaller entry fee

destiny has base game + 17 expansions that lock you out because you dont have the previous one

[wanton kelp]

Which do you prefer and why?

[hybrid ore]

Well I stopped playing des2 right about the time they ripped out a chunk of the game and started to steal what people paid for periodically, so I'm going to have to say div2 wins in that regard.

[kind veldt]

div2 is more direct and honest

[hybrid ore]

once you buy the DLC for div2, you have access to every Season Pass for free, there's just an extra paid tier that's cosmetics only.

tl;dr you don't pay for content once you own the DLC.

There's a 2nd DLC coming some time next year-ish, but we don't know details about that yet, and it'll be 5 years since the launch of the first one by that point.

[opal radish]

I will tell buy Nvidia stock

[lethal sonnet]

Hope they dont raise the level to 50 this time

[kind veldt]

think they said it looooong ago they wont

[lethal sonnet]

WONY scared me from playing div 2 and made me stay in 1 for a long time

[hybrid ore]

Eh, with Countdown, getting new godrolled gear will take bugger all time compared to before Targeted Loot was even added.

I actually kinda want Lvl 50 so I have a goal again, right now I'm pretty much just "done".

[lethal sonnet]

Or maybe they can do one of those des2 enhancing mechanics

Or whatever that light score fuse thing is called

[hybrid ore]

That's basically Expertise, there's not a lot more that can be added before stuff is totally broken.

[lethal sonnet]

I was thinking about the "using fusion cores to bring a underlevel gear to a higher level" mechanic

[hybrid ore]

What "higher level" would this be, outside of Lvl 50?

[kind veldt]

As far as i remember plan is to add a new gear slot/type and mess around with some stuff for more progression that is not level

[lethal sonnet]

Bringing level 40 gear up to level 50

[hybrid ore]

We actually have that system in place already, it's just for Exotics only.

[kind veldt]

That is extremely unlikely

Well yeah exotics can be rerolled into current max level

It took like a month or two for it be released after expansion

[hybrid ore]

Honestly though, words can not express how little I want div2 to take ideas from des2.
chasing an upgraded Light score in des2 killed any enthusiasm I had for that game big time for years before they finished the job.

[lethal sonnet]

Lol i left that piece of work right when sunsetting came in

[hybrid ore]

ah well, greener pastures.

[frank bobcat]

man… dat exotic full auto pistol gon cook wen it drops

[fluid meadow]

The what now?

[kind veldt]

the exotic he's making up

[median mantle]

Guys .. can we get liquid engineer from countdown

[fluid meadow]

Dz exclusive you can't get it from countdown itself but you can get it though named caches

[random quest]

Vibes. I still have builds that I could build, but I'm also a bit meh about it.

[fiery cloud]

Hope everyone's having a great weekend gaming

[remote lynx]

Every time i launch Div2 its always on windowed mode with the wrong resolution, i have to reset manually the two settings

[jolly talon]

yeah me too , it is doing that all the time and blocking out discord DM notifications as well

[remote lynx]

Anyone knows where i can find the Settlement soundtrack as well as Decent's?

[bronze cosmos]

Can u relay an incursion or is it weekly?

[tender wave]

you can replay it as many times as you like but you only get one key per week per character for the final chest

[bronze cosmos]

Ohh ok

[bronze cosmos]

And a 1% chance for the ouroboro?

[tender wave]

yeah you still get the 1% chance from each boss on every run

[bronze cosmos]

Bet appreciate it

[balmy cedar]

Who

What pistol

[remote lynx]

Imagine if was a rpg where you could join to any faction, The Division, Hyenas, Outcasts, True Sons or Black Tusks

[unique bramble]

That is what some people thought when they saw the division 1 "factions" trailer. And it also makes sense since the game is called the "DIVISION".

[balmy cedar]

Or Strategic Homeland Division

[random quest]

That would be too smart marketing

[quick jasper]

stragetic homeland intervention enforcement and logistics division?

[broken solstice]

thanks agent coulson

[frank bobcat]

jus a dream…..

😞

[fiery cloud]

Hey Kettle long time no see

[eager breach]

Anyone else still experiencing delta codes in open world?

[strong ledge]

can someone please explain like I'm 5 the current process to submit a bug report?

[balmy cedar]

Son of Coul

[kind veldt]

http://support.ubi.com/ use this link and keep going inside each category or use the pinned message in https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/489469277792108547

[gaunt pulsar]

5 minutes and I already want to uninstall again

[hollow acorn]

Why do random gas canisters just randomly explode for no reason

[kind veldt]

Someone shot them

[real creek]

Birb shotted dem

[kind veldt]

Yeap, all me

[fading canopy]

is matchmaking broken

no one ever responds to it

[kind veldt]

Depends on what you are doing

[fading canopy]

legacy manhunts?

on challenging

im a returning player

checking out content

[kind veldt]

Not much popular to random matchmaking, call for backup will find faster

[fading canopy]

how do i call for backup

[kind veldt]

Open map amd should be on the botton the button to call for backup, otherwise use the matchmaking tab

[tender wave]

hey Saph

[full zinc]

map > shd tab

[bronze cosmos]

Is the banshee or ouroboro better

[lapis junco]

You could put any SMG in the game in that first slot and it will be ouro

[fair adder]

i just finished the game and idk what to do now

[lapis junco]

Farm, do all the end game content (legendary, raids, incursions).
get every exotic in the game besides the new gloves
make every build possible.
build recal library so you can make every build
build a stash for gear so you can make new builds when those eventually come around.
Max out watch.
redo wony on new characters so you have mats to max all gear
redo more wony on new characters to have even more mat points.

thatll be a solid 1k hours

[kind veldt]

see something you want and try to get it

[lethal sonnet]

How many snitches are present in DC at the same time?

[real creek]

1 at a time with 42 possible locations.

Log out and back in then go to a known location when you first load in. I prefer tidal basin as he is right across the street.

[lethal sonnet]

So they reset after each login?

[real creek]

Yeah on log out/in he resets.

[lethal sonnet]

Ok thx for info

[rustic ocean]

What do I need to do for the Mansion? That shit hard as hell

[lunar hare]

@random quest

Please help this poor soul.

[undone timber]

I can run you through one but I won't be home for another 2 or 3 hrs

But obligatory are you running strikers?

[kind veldt]

where are you failing at?

[trim grotto]

Envy came out of the descent?

It's been a while since I've seen talent envy on the way down.

[small plume]

Guys, ia Diamondback a good weapon to use? It feels overly complicated to use.

[rustic ocean]

The beginning 💀

The minute the mortars start raining

[kind veldt]

oof

[rustic ocean]

It’s already wraps for me, no matter I outrun them

[undone timber]

It's fun on negotiators and trash basically everywhere else

[undone timber]

Are you trying to solo it

[rustic ocean]

Yes sadly yes

[neon wyvern]

that's ur first mistake

[undone timber]

Brother it's balanced for a squad of 4

[small plume]

There's no good exotic rifle in this game? Ravenous and Merciless looks like the same in gameplay, Diamondback is odd and Dr House is... pretty situational (to say the least)

[undone timber]

Matchmake for a group or LFG on the dashboard

[neon wyvern]

incursion is basically a 4 player raid

[small plume]

Should I pick something better?

[undone timber]

Rifles as a whole aren't very good

Ravenous has niche uses

[small plume]

Sad, I like the gameplay of it.

[neon wyvern]

rifles have the worst second attribute

very sad

[undone timber]

Doctor home can be broken if you run blue FI

Merciless and ruthless are just not good

High ends mostly not good but m1a is nice

[small plume]

Yeah, I can see it.

I have no idea what to use.

Sad that to pick the Bighorn I have to do that mission on legendary difficulty

and it's pretty ass.

The mission, not the weapon.

[undone timber]

You can farm for bighorn on summit legendary

[small plume]

That's the issue tho.

[undone timber]

And if you don't know what to use check the spreadsheet in build advice for ideas

[undone timber]

If you struggle just use a skill build and focus on the boss

You don't need to kill anyone else

[neon wyvern]

Summit legendary follows the rules of player scaling unlike strongholds

So it's much much easier

[undone timber]

If exotic doesn't drop then just wipe and repeat

[small plume]

Hmm...

[rustic ocean]

I’ve seen people solo 😭😭

[undone timber]

Ye summit leggy is super easy compared to strong holds

[undone timber]

They're ridiculously skilled and experienced to be able to do that

[rustic ocean]

Atleast I tried before admitting defeat (Tried 6 times) 😭

[rustic ocean]

😭

[undone timber]

Like 99 percent of the player base could never dream of soloing it

[thorny talon]

Div 2 needs new ways to promote the usage of niche things by rotating x2 or x3 XP everyday for using particular set of underused weapons or brands

[rustic ocean]

Well I’m crazy

[undone timber]

Just play with 3 others as intended

[small plume]

I like Nemesis a lot, but being so slow kinda hurts sometimes.

[neon wyvern]

same with heroic countdown
It has been soloed but good luck doing it yourself

[undone timber]

Honestly that's one of the better ideas I've heard

Although maybe proficiency and not actual xp

[rustic ocean]

😭

[thorny talon]

Nah either is fine we have so many things to level up and it greatly helps in enjoy the process while at same promotes niche things

[kind veldt]

i mean i want to say i'm good, but no way i'm soloing legendary stuff or incursion

[undone timber]

If it were actual xp I already know if reanimated came around people would be going up thousands of shd levels

[small plume]

Chameleon have something special or is just an assault rifle that deals SMG long ranged damage?

[undone timber]

It's a wholeee different ball game

[undone timber]

Don't bother it's not very good

[kind veldt]

yeah, mostly telling the dude to not jump the gun and try to solo group content

[thorny talon]

Game literally punishes you for playing solo even the easier difficulty content.

[idle wadi]

Summit on Legendary. Get to floor 10. Kill the boss, make sure you don't kill all other NPCs and let them kill you. Travel back out to the elevator and repeat floor 10 until you get it. ANYONE WILLING TO DO THIS GRIND METHOD WITH ME

[undone timber]

It has the weaknesses of both an AR and an SMG but none of the benefits

[small plume]

So it felt like that, then.

[kind veldt]

?

[thorny talon]

Div2 was never meant for solo play

[undone timber]

Games pretty solo friendly

[small plume]

Yeah, SMGs are pretty strong when used correctly

[kind veldt]

i mean less enemies and less elites does mean less loot chances

[thorny talon]

You get more items ,XP just by playing with group

[thorny talon]

This

[kind veldt]

that isnt really punishing

[undone timber]

That doesn't punish you for playing solo😭

[kind veldt]

it's just scalling

[thorny talon]

Maybe but from my perspective its punish

[undone timber]

Of course if you play with more people it scales up

[kind veldt]

punishing would be to tilt things against you so people dont play solo

[thorny talon]

Punish is like in same time u get more items where it takes x2 or x3 time to get same number in solo

[rustic ocean]

If I renewed my live I would

[kind veldt]

you need natural progression difficulties whne starting the game to slowly improve your gear, it's not the game punishing you for playing in nomrla first time around

[undone timber]

It's like saying the games punishing you for playing on normal because the loot is worse

[lunar hare]

What ya farming for? Bighorn? If so, I can help you rn

[rustic ocean]

I forgot to mention that I don’t have live currently that’s why I stupidly and idiotically ran it solo

[kind veldt]

or that people are shooting themselves in hte foot for not playing legendary 24/7

[undone timber]

Oh

[thorny talon]

Im talking about number of items and xp not quality

[undone timber]

That's a different case then best to wait until you get live

[rustic ocean]

Yes I know am dumb but I didn’t expect that to be hard

[undone timber]

So you can run it properly

[rustic ocean]

I’m buying it in the morning

[thorny talon]

Difficulty is meant for quality not quantity totally different situation

[undone timber]

When's morning for you

[rustic ocean]

Rn it’s late and freezing

[rustic ocean]

It’s 11:17 PM EST

So like another hour

[undone timber]

Ah america

[rustic ocean]

Yep

[kind veldt]

why would you want normal gear instead of legendary gear?

[small plume]

I think I'll try to pick the Bighorn

It's visually good and the buff is pretty good, it seems.

[undone timber]

Of course you get more items for playing with multiple people cuz loot drops are separate for each player

That's just how the game is it's not punishing you😭

Besides nothing beats countdown for quantity anyway

[neon wyvern]

The buff is good but bighorn has other problems

Like 40 round mag and no built in crit mods

[undone timber]

If you can hit headshots I hear bighorn is pretty nice

[small plume]

I do headshot damage build anyway, it kinda fits.

[undone timber]

And the rifle mode hits hard

[kind veldt]

i just want you to understand that while scales loot in quality and other in quantity in both cases it's just scalling not punishment

[thorny talon]

The discussion was about solo vs group play not about everyone should play high difficulty content. You are derailing the main point

[neon wyvern]

It has 2 mods dedicated to handling but it still has hard handling

[small plume]

Even when scoping?

[neon wyvern]

when it scopes its no longer full auto

[undone timber]

What's stopping you from playing in a group😭

[kind veldt]

was trying to loop back to this point about both cases are scalling not punishment #td2-general-chat message

[small plume]

That's the plan

[thorny talon]

Like i said its a perspective. By playing in group you optimise the time of play for items u get. Its gameplay element in your pov but punish in my pov

[neon wyvern]

Good luck building stacks in scoped mode tho

[small plume]

Why? It has a problem?

[kind veldt]

same logic would say that normal is punishment, over legendary

[undone timber]

You can't build stacks with a semi auto weapon

[thorny talon]

Thats what i am trying to tell im advocating never play solo

[small plume]

Dammit

[thorny talon]

Lol no its a different scenario

[undone timber]

Well you can but you won't fire fast enough to get them up further than 1 or two

[neon wyvern]

The semi auto mode is decent after you've hit ur 25 headshots tho in full auto

[kind veldt]

why you are being punished in worst gear no? why would worst gear not be punishment?

[undone timber]

Yeah bighorn hits like a truck if you play it right

It just kicks really hard

No crit and smaller mag

[neon wyvern]

society if bighorn had elmo handling

[small plume]

It's just a impression or, besides Mantis and some others, most exotic weapons aren't that great?

[thorny talon]

Because progressing through the game isnt related to optimising the time to get items. Difficulty is different scenario as it relies on player capabilities

[undone timber]

It'd be so great

[undone timber]

Yeah most aren't great

But the few that are are really great

[small plume]

Mantis is pretty good, but I play mostly solo, so it becomes trash to me.

[undone timber]

Some are in the in-between of really fun but not top option though

[undone timber]

Mantis shines in solo lol

[small plume]

Really?

I couldn't make it work.

[undone timber]

Yeah you get basically infinite decoy

[neon wyvern]

As long as ur getting kills

[kind veldt]

and grouped content like incursions doesnt relies on players capabilities?

[undone timber]

So nothing targets you ever

All you need is one kill and your decoy instantly cools off

[thorny talon]

??

[undone timber]

I was using mantis yesterday and it's a really fun gun it might even pull me away from determined

[kind veldt]

i honestly dont understand how you see two scales and say one is punishment and the other is fair when you can just reverse the logic and say the other is punishiment and other is just scalling but it doenst count, but at this point it's just semantics really

[small plume]

Dude, only now I read it...
I need to reroll it tho, the headshot damage is on mid 79%.

[thorny talon]

ok

[undone timber]

As long as you have damage to targets out of cover it doesn't matter too much

[small plume]

I hope I get a good roll on it.

15% damage + 111% headshot damage

only 7.5% health damage tho, but still, those 2 are extremely good enough.

[undone timber]

Dttooc and the MMR damage are the important ones

[small plume]

Sorry, not extremely into the terminology of this game (although being playing for quite a time)

[undone timber]

Damage to targets out of cover

[lethal sonnet]

How do you acquire the blueprint rewards for this season?

[undone timber]

Which blueprints

[lethal sonnet]

Belstone

[undone timber]

Belstone print is no longer obtainable

[lethal sonnet]

Isnt it season 3 reward

[undone timber]

It might be in descent but I'm not sure

[undone timber]

We're in year 5 season 3

[small plume]

What what MMR stands for?

[undone timber]

Marksman rifle

[kind veldt]

marksman rifle

[neon wyvern]

bruh

[kind veldt]

aka snipers

[small plume]

That I know.

I think I can put this to work, I'll try.

[undone timber]

Just make sure your aim is on point

[lethal sonnet]

Apprently its not in descent anymore either

Its gonna be a pain to farm for double crit obliterate/bloodsucker belstone...

[undone timber]

What do you want it for

[stray osprey]

How do you get Yaahl gear?

[lethal sonnet]

Armor regen solo build

[kind veldt]

DZ or clan vendor from time t otime

[stray osprey]

A clan thing huh

🥹

[jolly talon]

morning agents

[undone timber]

You can get it from the DZ but it's never targeted

[real creek]

You can craft some of them too.

[undone timber]

I'm still tryna get the damn weaves from the clan vendor can it just come backkkk

[real creek]

I've got a bunch saved up but eh you don't make items for it often anyway.

[full zinc]

Lootcifer sacrifices... you need more of them 🔥 😈 🔥

[lunar hare]

I'm running out of ceramics 😭
Optimisation caches are my saviour rn

[jolly talon]

i just had a CD run where people kept dying and then before the extraction 4 of them went down because they did not wait for the rest to catch and died immediately

[undone timber]

This is why I wait for at least 3 other guys if I get there first

Im not about to solo four hunters and a bunch of BT

[lunar hare]

Desperate players man...

[jolly talon]

they were angry because we were not running faster so they could get into another CD run

[undone timber]

Well I guess wiping is one way to do it

[lunar hare]

why
there's no fkn need to rush a cd run like wtf

[jolly talon]

The logic was to rush through a CD run earns them the credits faster so they can maximise the farm of them and buy a bulk of exotic caches

I am to new to the game to know if that's a good thing or bad thing to farm bulk exotic caches or not ? But maybe for the parts ?

[undone timber]

Tis for the components

[jolly talon]

is there something special about them besides being exotic?

[lunar hare]

exotic comps for recalibrating, that's it

[undone timber]

Required to reconfigure and upgrade expertise

[jolly talon]

ah i see

[sullen viper]

heroic summit floor 100
ask on lfg for help
shd 10000 dude joins
dies instantly and leaves

[hollow hill]

typical. ive found that doing floor 100 is so much easier as a solo than with a group

soon as you open the doors to fight the hunters, push hard left towards where you extract. stay by the escalator and the outside staircase and just rain bullets with the st elmos and your typical striker build. use grenades to get them to roll away in fear as you spray

[sullen viper]

i did not manage to do it on heroic and had to turn it down to normal tried every difficulty up until normal with other people on lfg but werent able to do it

ohh and im just using what seems like a fun weapon that st.elmos meta bs that everyone using is cringe af

[tender wave]

Scorpio is the usual cheese of choice when fighting hunters

[hollow hill]

I only recommend it for floor 100 due to the fact if you have zero DPS and can't keep consistent DPS, you're gonna die easily

But, you could also do the same cookie cutter strikers build with a Scorpio shotgun or run a very tanky Scorpio build as well

[civic ridge]

Does anyone else find the difference in view height when scoped in a problem? It seems to be at around about elbow height when standing causing objects you should be able to take cover behind to block vision when scoped in.

[broken solstice]

ive spent my fair share of time going "can i fire over this thing? ... nope"

[small spear]

it's a change since tu20 where they changed first person view to fix shield peeking

the consequence is it also makes some cover block the actual vision

[broken solstice]

i dont miss shield peeking like i thought i would

[small spear]

same tbh

[cold parcel]

Hi guys, where can I see the message from kelso after the first 25%?

Or is there no message bc Manny said something about a note from her

[tender wave]

Progress tab, comms, I think. Same section as the other seasonal manhunt comms you get

[cold parcel]

Ahhh thanks

found it

[undone timber]

do any sniper connoisseurs know if it's possible to one shot a solo heroic elite with the mantis

with no stacks

cuz it seems pretty darn close with my HH build its just unoptimised to hell

[kind veldt]

depends on the elites

[undone timber]

the assault lackey types

[kind veldt]

the generic, i want to say yeah

[undone timber]

itd be so nice if it's possible

[fiery cloud]

HAPPY EASTER 🐰 🐣

[small plume]

It bugs me so hard when I stop to think The Capacitor is a assault rifle, even tho the weapon itself is a P90.

Funny, right? P90 have 2 exotic variations, The Chatterbox and The Capacitor.

[small spear]

no. capacitor is PDR

[small plume]

Oh, you're right.

Why are some of these weapons so visually like each other? Lul.

[kind veldt]

Only chameleon is the tricky one

[hybrid ore]

Bighorn, Ruth/Merci, and Doctor Home are all kinda "category weird".

[kind veldt]

Doctor home?

[hybrid ore]

Rifle and not an MMR.
honestly forgot up until I re-checked it.

[azure lintel]

any nordic players up in here :)?

[hybrid ore]

Try checking down in #lfg-pc, gl Agent

[kind veldt]

Its a rifle, but i dont think you could mix M1A with MMR in this game

[small plume]

I remember the day I got into that elevator that leads us to discover the president betrayed us, but before I open the doors inside it to get that weapon and that voice record, my game crashed

now all the doors are locked and I can't do anything in that area.

[kind veldt]

doctor home was from the general no president mission

[small plume]

Wait, what are you talking about?

I'm not talking about Dr House ripoff weapon, I'm talking about something else.

[hybrid ore]

Bird is confused since you reference it as "that weapon" after a comment about Doctor Home.

No biggie, just a simple mix-up.

[kind veldt]

now i ahve no clue what weapon he's talking about

[cloud sinew]

Ubisoft finally responded to my ticket and these blueprints would be added to the game next season ( probably to control points )

Gear (Mask, Chest, Backpack, Gloves, Holster, Kneepads)
S03: Belstone Armory
S03: Hunter's Fury
S04: Empress
S04: Rigger
Y5S01: Electrique
Y5S01: Cavalier

Weapons
S08: TKB-408
S08: GR9
S10: SIX12 (Duplicated)
S10: SOCOM M1A
S11: Police Magnum 686 (Duplicated)
S11: G28

[random quest]

Nordic here, know atleast a few actives in here are also nordic!

[random quest]

Love to see it!
I'm hoping to see Broken Armor on the WIP list soon aswell, finally had my ticket "forwarded for investigation"

[copper shoal]

Yes left forward is usually the fastest way to take them.

[balmy cedar]

Merciless good it has 500% amplified damage

[iron gust]

I would hope so but unless it comes from the devs themselves I still don't believe it will be added lol

But hopefully I'm wrong

[cloud sinew]

even devs mentioning it won't be enough , not untill the changes are live in the game xD

[iron gust]

Yeah at best it'll be one year late

[small spear]

nice, good to know

[unique bramble]

Ravenous: cool but I have 2000% wp at full red stacks on target.

[sterile ferry]

not sure if this question fits here but does anybody know what happened to Mr.Commendation's youtube channel? need to look up a few guides but cant find him on YT at all

[small plume]

What the hell?

Someone else's game also got into the main menu screen?

I was in the middle of a mission.

[dawn jungle]

Wym

[dawn jungle]

??

[kind veldt]

Lost connection prob

[hybrid ore]

Yep, when you AFK for too long or lose connection for a bit, the game will boot you back to the character screen.
in the latter case it should show an error message.

[jolly talon]

Gods had a CD run where people with Elmo's kept dying and leading to a complete wipe -_-

[full zinc]

sounds like the team didnt keep up with their Lootcifer sacrifices... he always gets what is owed, one way or another. 🔥 😈 🔥

[jolly talon]

😂

[hollow wolf]

That is awesome! Thanks for the ticket. Our post on the Ubi Discord wasn't going anywhere because of their Discord maintenance. Thank you so much, Hooman!

[jolly talon]

Finally got my Iron Lung 🥳

[tidal wyvern]

How do I find true sons bounty’s?

[azure lintel]

Enjoy pissing people off if you go pvp

[small plume]

Do this game have crossplay yet?

[bronze cosmos]

Is damage to health bad on the ouroboro

[small spear]

dttooc or nothing

[small plume]

Found a hacker on dark zone

[hybrid ore]

If none are on your Bounties screen, you can complete "True Sons Public Executions" fully by saving 2 people, then speak to the Hostage and they'll give you a Bounty.

rinse and repeat as needed.

[random quest]

Hostage Rescues aswell (or do I misremember?)

[small plume]

I miss the day when Kendra's Liberty was actually good.

[kind veldt]

liberyt pistol is not bad

just not the strongest

[spare coral]

hey guys i need some help here i downloaded division 2 again and it crashes like after 2h of gameplay since then i cant start the game anymore what should i do?

[small plume]

The use of it is pretty dumb.

[kind veldt]

are you using joystick or some peripherals?

[kind veldt]

still very hard hiting and decent for shields

[spare coral]

nothing just mouse and keyboard

[kind veldt]

then sorry i dont know how to help

[sick thicket]

Anyone have experience with OBS and div2? My source fps is very low. Not the final product (recording or stream) but the initial preview seems capped

Wondering if there's a specific source capture that's ideal for the game

[copper shoal]

Try verifying the game files

[small plume]

Someone killed me in Dark Zone and took something I had, it was an exotic gear, Idk what it was tbh

I think the idiot died at extraction (or they just fled and this is another loot), however I found a Eagle Bearer and some other pieces of gears.

Once in life I got lucky (I think)

[balmy cedar]

Yes they’re easier bc no risk to hostage dying

[small spear]

i just used Game Capture unless that's the one giving you problems

[gaunt pulsar]

I’ve done 5 challenges in the summit but haven’t gotten a capacitor. Help please

[kind veldt]

What does the summit menu says?

[gaunt pulsar]

Wdym

[kind veldt]

The challenge menu

[gaunt pulsar]

2/17 tactical. 5/14 ascent

[kind veldt]

Isnt capcitor on the right of that saying you need X amount of challenges?

[gaunt pulsar]

No

[kind veldt]

I thought it showed a list of challenges to unlock it like.
Clear 30 floors
Complete X tactical challenges
Complete Y ascent challenges

[gaunt pulsar]

It doesn’t say anything on the right

@kind veldt can I dm?

[kind veldt]

Use #ask-td2-community

[gaunt pulsar]

I posted

[random quest]

Very true. Somewhat same clear time aswell - less xp tho

[kind veldt]

Did you reset the run mid challanges?

[gaunt pulsar]

No

:((

[lilac hull]

does incursion reset once a week on tuesday (maintenance) ?
Or does it reset on the first day you open the box?

[undone timber]

On mondays

[urban plume]

new player LFG to farm some gear

[small plume]

Jesus, man, where the hell are the AR farming in this map?/

I can't find it, Jesus Christ.

[exotic blaze]

If it's not on the map today, do countdown or summit

[small plume]

I think I didn't even finished Countdown.

[exotic blaze]

Well that's one of your options until loot rotates

[small plume]

I'll set it to normal because I hate those weird disrruptors that fucks your HP.

[elfin hazel]

you're doing the manhunt mission do the one next to it

[exotic blaze]

Yea and matchmake for countdown and set it to challenging

[small plume]

Seriously, Idk what to do against those machines.

[exotic blaze]

Are you matchmaking for this?

[small plume]

No, but now I think I know what to do.

[exotic blaze]

Are you doing countdown or the manhunt mission?

[small plume]

Dude, what the f just happened?

The server just went off for a second.

Aw, come on, I was in the middle of the damn mission.

[small plume]

The mission.

I finished it now tho, what I do now?

[exotic blaze]

Not the mission, do countdown it should be right next to it on the map or random matchmake for it through the menu

[small plume]

I can't enter on it tho.

[exotic blaze]

You can group with 7 other players and select target loot to AR

[small plume]

At least I don't know how to do it.

Omg

Omg, I got a god roll on Mantis

[kind veldt]

you cna just go matchmaking menu

[exotic blaze]

Open your map, at the top go all the way to matchmaking, select countdown

[small plume]

Oh

Thank you.

[cloud sinew]

My pleasure mate ^^

[jolly talon]

love it when the game crashes mid season pass mission

[alpine geyser]

So fellas

I've played d2 at release, and don't have the dlc

So i was wondering, should i get the dlc or should i use the money and get d1 that i never played

[undone timber]

If you wanna play this game to it's fullest potential then get the expansion

[alpine geyser]

So getting the expansion is more worth then getting div1?

[undone timber]

Div 1 is only worth it if you have survival imo it's a deal-breaker

[alpine geyser]

Div1 with all dlcs cost the same as just div2 dlc, thats why i was wonderin

[lunar hare]

duuude my controller started to reset positioning of the left joystick and my agent suddenly stops sprinting every time

I might have to open it but idk if I'll damage it more in the process

[sterile ferry]

Some incursions in division 1 are locked behind the DLCs

Underground and survival are very great DLCs imo.
Last stamd is unfortunately kinda dead. The fact that you need a full lobby of 16 to get a match going doesn't help it either

[alpine geyser]

Yup
Thats the deal, like, i've played 80 or so hours on div2 when it came out.
Never played div 1
So what i was wondering is, what is better value considering same price, div1 complete edition or just div2 exp

[sterile ferry]

(At least with skirmish you need a full lobby)

[hybrid ore]

Honestly I'd just leave div1 for now, it's fun and all but it's also very old and pretty much "done".

[alpine geyser]

hmmmmm

gotchu

[sterile ferry]

Agreed. I'd say improve your experience with div2 by buying the warlords expansion

[alpine geyser]

aight, i'll go WL route them

[sterile ferry]

Then after playing that for a while you can go back to div1, highly recommend the gold edition though

[alpine geyser]

Yeah i was going to get that

[hybrid ore]

Just a heads up: make sure you get WONY on heavy sale. Like, 70% off is a good amount.

There's usually a sale of some sort when an international "day" comes up, There might even be on one now for Easter.

[alpine geyser]

Yeah i'll for sure do that

Did the mistake of getting d2 on a pre-sale, won't do it again lol

[hybrid ore]

Yeah I bought all stuff for this game at each launch, but still think it's well worth it.
best monetisation of a live-service game around.

[urban shuttle]

@balmy cedar umbra strong

I still have to collect shd caches for my first character, that’s how I know I’m a og lazy player

Still need like 3 skills

[alpine geyser]

Thanks a lot for the tips buddy i'll wait for the sale to come up and check it out, very helpful ^^

[opal radish]

If you buy from ultimate edition from epic you get enforcer shotgun

[thorny talon]

Not really great gun anyway

[opal radish]

And access to pts

[thorny talon]

Huh?

[opal radish]

Not a great gun but still gud

[thorny talon]

All pc players get pts

[opal radish]

Steam players doesn't afaik

I have seen some players complaining

[real creek]

Only ubi store gets pts I thought.

[thorny talon]

Pts is from uplay doesnt matter where u buy

[opal radish]

I am 100% sure

[opal radish]

Epic also does cause it just activates through ubi

[opal radish]

Need to here someone from steam

[thorny talon]

Rainbow six works i assume div2 works too

(i have epic purchased div2)

[opal radish]

I mean it's ubisoft so you are trusting too much

[real creek]

Assuming anything works in this game is wild

[opal radish]

Me too 6$

[thorny talon]

Wsp gng

Make a clan name with 6$

[opal radish]

Naa I am sad epic didn't charge me $5.11

[thorny talon]

Roundoff numbers >>>

[opal radish]

Cause I would literally make that my pfp

But anyway is there any steam player that has access to PTS ?

Please LMK

The biggest advantage of epic is you don't need it open when you play so less chances of game crashing

[pliant sentinel]

when does weaver open shop again

[balmy cedar]

Wednesday morning EST

[hexed sentinel]

Wait hol up what is weaver selling btw

Just exotic components?

[broken solstice]

probably proficiency cache and season cache too. dont know how many of each

[primal skiff]

anyone buggong out trying to join countdown?

[jolly talon]

I am so curious now about St Elmo's because I had two people in countdown leaving because the other people did not have it xD

Now I just want that gun for the sakes of seeing why people are going to bananas about it xD

[mossy wigeon]

It's op

[jolly talon]

yeah but still being so angry and stupid about a gun is just begging the devs to nerf it xD

[broken solstice]

if someone needs everyone to run st elmos, that person is either showing their lack of experience with/knowledge of the game, or they're pathologically hyper picky

[agile kettle]

Almost all people now elmo and striker or determined headhunter. No diversity, no fun.

[hollow hill]

We did it my people 😤 I got the bighorn today

[broken solstice]

i guess the new strategy to not get kicked is to equip elmo and wait til youre a minute into countdown, then switch to whatever weapon after the period of time where ppl are likely to be checking builds

[hollow hill]

Or continue matchmaking and ignore the St Elmo kiddies ✌️

[agile kettle]

I’m doing that way. I mean not only CD, check other players blds when random matchmaked, all of them are that blds. God….

[sullen viper]

the td2 april fools update we got:

the td2 april fools update i wanted: td2 blood dragon

[jolly talon]

In general i don't care what people run as weapon but i just find it kinda sad people are being like this over a single weapon

[hollow hill]

Yeah, the striker St Elmo's kiddies are everywhere. I typically only use it going against rogue agents in summit/control points. Usually in countdown I'll run status vile with creeping death. Occasionally I'll do heals

[hollow hill]

Yeah it's even more sad when I'm being kicked by a SHD 44 and their build isn't even close to optimized 💀

[jolly talon]

It just sad in general people kick others for the sake of a weapon or gear piece

[agile kettle]

@hollow hill It would be better if devs added an overheat function like a stationary machine gun to the Striker Gear set.

[hollow hill]

Devs do that, pretty much makes all the raids and incursion a pain to play. Also, goodbye basically half the playerbase

[hollow hill]

I find it funny that sometimes I'll run my fenris striker obliterate chameleon build and nobody kicks me

I'm sat here critting for a good 2.3m with my 50 round chameleon mag while the St Elmo's kiddies are still barely pushing 1.2m 😆

[jolly talon]

i have no clue what the chameleon is tbh 😅 @hollow hill
I am personally using LMG's as my primary and AR as my back up weapon if I need to xD

[real creek]

Pretty sure people with simialr CD buffs would be around your numbers too, cham isn't that great unless you get some of the buffs going for it.

[hollow hill]

It's not the best and hasn't been for a long time, but it's so much more fun than just pointing and shooting with St Elmo's. I like the weapon damage buff and the crit buffs off of chameleons talent. It's so satisfying to watch the talents build up and when you hit full stacks, you melt anything that breathes

[hollow hill]

It's an old exotic assault rifle

[real creek]

Eh I'm not an elmo user anyway, I'm just calling bs when I see it.

[broken solstice]

yeah i got sick of it and F2000 stepped up hard

[hollow hill]

I got the shield splint the other day. Yeah I'll never go back to a normal f2000

[broken solstice]

yeah if i want a dmg talent on it i use shield splinterer. on the F2000 i'll run stuff like preservation

[hollow hill]

I'm starting to use the P416 and a few other off meta weapons and honestly I'm not sure why people pass them up

[undone timber]

Because they're just objectively worse

It's not as if they're unusable they're just worse

[real creek]

Off meta weapons are all within like 8-10% so if you aren't doing harder content it's whatever.

[hollow hill]

Hard not to agree with this but I like a little bit of variety

What's your guys favorite weapons?

[real creek]

Solo heroic or playing with friends? Who cares do whatever, I just like to respect peoples time if I MM or do end game content. I also feel like I have to pick up slack to make sure it doesn't take forever when people stray too far from meta.

[real creek]

Regulus, M870, Scorpio, famas, yeah that's most of them.

[heavy prism]

Chameleon

[undone timber]

[jolly talon]

Atm for me Iron Lung , but you made me interested in Chameleon now xD

[opal radish]

With 6pcs 5.11 destroy the world build

After using F2K For a while I went back 2 famas the accuracy is a bit low than famas

[kind veldt]

of regular weapons is prob AK and Super 90

[azure lintel]

Is there a rule of thumb to go by or a list or something for the items you get in game to keep? There's no where near enough inventory space in this game.

[real creek]

#td2-build-advice has a spread sheet pinned with a couple of tabs for named/exotics checklist.

[azure lintel]

That's the problem. There's enough named items to fill a single character. lol

[timber hatch]

Biggest bit of advice I can give is don't just keep things because they have high/max rolls, keep things that have the right rolls for a particular build. And gearset items are super easy to farm, so there isn't much point in keep those that you aren't using

[azure lintel]

That's my other problem. 98% of the items I have, have at least 2 god rolls on em.

[timber hatch]

But are the the right rolls for anything you would use, or are you just keeping them because the random stats are high

There's also a bunch of trash named items, you don't need all/most of them

[azure lintel]

I think because of my slight lack of knowledge on the builds, I don't know if they have the proper rolls on em or not. And that's basically what I'm looking for. The trash items. What items are considered trash from builds and such that I can just toss.