#td2-general-chat
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uhm is there a guide for control point? need to farm stuff from lv 3 alert
I just went through old div 2 pictures of hunters and have been playing the campaign once again from the beginning
They deadass just reused assets to make the visual appearance of the recent brand set and didn’t even give it unique colors
At least the gloves and chest are 100% reused
recycling is good for hte planet
Honestly, and I say this as nice as possible, who cares?
I have no issue with it on the fact that they are good looking, but its not good when the new content is already lazy
I noticed on the GR9 LMG, when you reload you dont take out the ammo box on the gun, you just insert a magazine where the ammo box is
I don’t believe a single gun in division 2 is made up
thats very cool i dont know a lot about guns
Yeah almost everything is based in reality. Exotics might be pushing it tho.
Exotics push it yea
most of the guns in the game should be based off the real model while the exotics are like imaginery weapons
is the in real life GR9 meant ot be used for super long range engagements? its weird that it has a scope built in
Half the exotics are fine honestly
Whats the gun class again?
GR9 LMG?
appreciate that man
No idea why it has a scope automatically on it probably just ubi being lazy or something
the real life one has one too!
i thought the recoil would make the scope useless but maybe not?
Nobody in real life uses a gun willingly without a scope
Only sidearms are that exception
and it doesnt even zoom in in the game, its just.. there
what a strange weapon! very stable and accurate though
^
There was 1 or 2 seasons where a lot of new weapons and weapon skins were just blatantly lazily designed
ya know, not everything is the "devs being lazy".
Considering that a lot of skins and an exotic still haven’t gotten updated textures since they released over 6 months ago
Its a valid criticism
They only redesign the exotics that they think need it, clearly.
which are you talking about?
Dread edict, and multiple weapon skins have full glossy appearances, which is clearly not intended considering they removed it from bluescreen when its model was updated, also literally nothing about dread is unique visually, it’s literally just a placeholder skin
Dread Edict looks fine.
Look at it in game because you are capping so unbelievable hard
Oh just stop.
I also think it looks fine
ful stop
I literally am looking at it ingame right now and whilst it's not super "exotic", it doesnt look bad.
All you do is defend so when there is an actual reason to be upset you pretend like its fine
Its textures are quite literally messed up and the devs have previously fixed this exact problem
Not to mention this last patch also broke the cabine 7 skin and made it entirely mat black
hopefully white and pastel yellow mmrs that you rarely use isn't in the "actual reason to be upset" category
"all you do is defend".
Jeez.
The devs are lazy, all the new content is lazy, the only reason this season is remotely good is because of the rebalancing
If all you have are problems with the game and all you do is complain, why not leave? You're clearly not having fun.
If project resolve wasn’t released this season how do you think people would actually react
And don't say "because i believe in this game" or I win $5.
if devs add difficulty selector back to classified I forever forgive them
lol elmo
How dense are you? I play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, I make criticisms because of multiple mistakes that the devs blatantly make on a regular basis then wait months to fix
Drop the attitude. Critical discussions are 100% fine, but you are moving towards insults.
How about make actual critical discussions then
there is no point when you are talking to someone who has done nothing but insult the game, insult people's choices and insult people's opinions.
go take a lap, you're getting over heated.
One of these days people are going to realize how lazy the devs have been, its already started for a while because of the new content

Ive said it before and I said it again, the devs are too focused on making new content
Rule 11, blinder. Quit complaing for 5 minutes and drink some water.
They don’t stop to think if that content is actually good
my guy calm tf down
are there any good b uilds with merciless?
It's actually a lot of fun with Striker.
ooh neat is hould try it out
i remember back before the expansion, merciless was jsut amazing
and it doesn't do 2 billion damage anymore
It's not like, good-good, but it's fun.

Note: i also enjoy BK Striker, so ymmv.
capacitor with with all skill builds goes hard
i just did one thats exuro and that hits
I don’t disagree but it’s not universal to all rifles since some don’t have the underbarrel. Behind you is an alternative but it needs more of a buff since it’s literally just flatline without amp damage
The cool thing with behind you is much like Ranger it’s active all the time. It should show you which enemy is not targetting you tho with a highlight.
it is still amp
both are amp
are they the same kind of amp!
Poor wording then on the talents part. My bad
I still don’t think 15% is enough tho. I feel like 25% would be great
Is there a reason they nerfed the stacks to status damage talents
it'd be as strong as perfect sadist and ignited lol
Yea but I was specifically talking about rifles and the inconsistency of talents etc. because rifles and enemy types vary do does time to kill. I don’t think you’re able to get the same type of use out of sadist on an M1A that you can out of a famas but that’s just me talking shit I suppose
I never liked chameleon
It’s pretty cool in countdown with the buffs
yeah no it's out of context
you definitely can with an OD user
but my point is 25% for a normal talent is too strong because that's what perfect talents have
True but I rarely see that outside of countdown
I had figured so but my fault was focusing on the number itself
15 compared to 25 lol
15% is already top tier
well enemy targetting you is harder to quantify
for a talent that's easy to proc like behind you and flatline, 15% can be argued to be too strong
flatline comes at the cost of spec and a gun mod
when strained and the gang amount to around 10%
I get that lol I’m just saying lol I was paying more attention to the number at face value
flatline is close to free with technician
definitely ain't too strong
Like 15 is closer to 10 than it is to 25 type of thing lol
free at the cost of a spec
that spec being gunner
Anyways I just wanted it to have more significance than flatline is all
i saw the talent for the exotic pistol mosquito and its a weird one to me
You like gunner?
i like gunner
It’s nice to force hunters onto the dude using the drone 😂
they just look at "free skill tier omg" and nothing else
but i can see gunner use dropping a bit due to palisade
Only complaint is foam nades don’t trigger sledgehammer
i'm just gonna do firewall + palisade and all is well with the world
Well technician gets free skill tier that lots of people like
so, when the dragov's outfit is out, what rogue agent's outfit will be?
Kajika, Pharnell, Conley or Keener?
The one benefit of technician for me really when running rifle builds is extra damage to skills and mechs
i tend to use a heartbreaker build in open world so i have technician for the linked laser pointer
but my brand set bonuses👴
10% chc for 11% amp
I needge them
ez choice
15% chc cuz gun mod
ye if we still on flatline tech thing
gotta give up ur 5% crit pointer for pulse pointer
But yea is there a reason they nerfed the stacking kills to get status effects on eyeless, sadist etc?
It's likely a rotation, so the old one should be gone at that point.
oh nah i meant going from gunner to firewall + palisade
Cause that seems overkill
bruh
i don't even know
I wish we could have banshee pulse and striker shield in the same build
no one in the world is only using the kill stacking to proc the statuses
they're using something else to keep it consistent like OD or eclipse fire so idk what they're cooking
I get that but say for example you’re running blinder firefly, it was easier to get blind back IF you stacked the kills faster
Yea but from a dps perspective without a CC
is this descent talk
its everything talk atp
Like the only way I can think of it being manageable is red eclipse
then you don't run them because you don't want a dead talent for 2/3 of your kills
you use them when you have a plan
But what about st Elmo’s 🤣
lol
i mean i never said elmo
This is pure speculation backed with just a little bit of intuition, but nerfing status stuff after adding some stuff does seem to imply to me that we're going to continue to get a focus on status effects in future items.
i mean couple of season the yadded the eletric talent equivalent
20% amp is not good enough to justify not having it for 3 kills
but elmo even without the talent is strong
and that 20% is one enemy only
I know how to use it I’m just making the point that the stacking nerf negates the talent being useful alone
I could shock the whole room with elmo
well things are pieces that you stack together and look for places they can fit
I use eyeless during my WONY run with creeping death and blinder firefly
there are definetly some talents that are just good standalone
Why do I have to wait 4 kills to get back blind 🥲
cause why not
Considering perfect eyeless belongs on something that’s not the mk 20 😂
yeah
it is
😏
the only rifles realistically worth using for dps are m1a classic and m1a cqb. both take the linked laser
most of the exotics except for a few of them should be in the general loot pool
Likewise but I hate having to spam and when in groups rip your wrist
I like the damage of the 1886. Personally other rifles feel weak in comparison
I don’t mind the reload either
kinda the nature of any rifle
it has the highest base damage but lowest mag damage iirc
What having to spam?
Not to me, rifles to me are hard hitting and shouldn’t take more than 3-4 shots to down most enemies … like you should be able to at least take out 3 elites with 1 mag but the consistency falls on the need for crit
Rifles exist in a weird middle-ground between AR's and MMR's and it's kinda hard to say what should be changed to make them more unique.
Which is why I say the base damage is too low
higher base damage would just turn them into MMR's, faster fire rate would be an AR.
it's like how LMG's are slower AR's.
rifle gearset
ACES
just need more rifle gear. a8 would be perfect to convert
A8?
aces
real
I want a new gearset not to change an old one, but fair fair.
Nobody cares about aces anymore ever since hotshot
Call it "deadeye" and have it be vaguely similar to div1's version.
We need something to buff the damage output of rifles. Negotiators works but u lose ur stacks and in group play it doesn’t really make sense if other people are shooting at the same thing u are
Cause the trade off for rifles is either use glass cannon or focus…
can spotter flatline
does obliterate and it's 10 second duration work
I do this with M1A but to do it with the 1886 is so bad 😭
Having a gearset that works in conjunction with pulse and spotter would be cool
And the decoy
That isn’t heartbreaker 👁️
A talent that pulses on headshot but is locked to rifles would make me add one to my rotation quite fast.
and I don't even mean pulse for flatline, I mean flat-out a seeing pulse.
I want the scoped view from div 1
bring BLIND back
linked laser. dont need to waste a talent 🤔
Add paint it black from rdr2 😂
Mark a bunch of enemies and fire away loool
i extremely hated deadeye in div1
I think the main thing they need to stop doing with rifles is focusing on headshots for diminishing returns or otherwise do so much work for stacks and inconsistent damage
IE rifleman is amazing but upkeep is just wild and determined doesn’t belong on rifles
i dont think they focus on headshot enough
rifles are more focused on being spammy due weird stats than being high damage per shot as they should
But in recent updates what have you seen they do with rifles
They just give whatever they give marksman rifles to rifles and do nothing to make them different or better
yes they buffed the hell out of damage
Not really… only in solo play
you did read resolve patchnotes where most rifles got 20% damage increase right?
I still think base damage is too low just cause they added certain buffs doesn’t mean that fits with what is needed
rifles are semi auto so by default they are more precise than full auto
problem is, game scales damage to magazine size for a lot of weapons, makes sense
but at some point making certain weapons have magazine and rof too big doesnt fit their role
Not really… it’s why the m16 kind of sucks … has a large mag but at the cost of stability
LWM4 LVOA-C ACR SS are bad rifles because of that
it's bad because you are meant to spam at high rof goes against the weapon category
ACR in base game felt strong now it’s just a relic
there shouldnt be rifles with more than 20 rounds other than M16 due burst
Jeez… what you’re meant to do and what is practical is what you’re missing… who’s gonna spam at 400 rpm with the trigger when they could just use an AR
thats my point
LVOA-C is not pratical because it's meant to be spammed in the weapon category that shouldnt be about that
Spamming shouldn’t take half a mag to accurately kill an elite
Without weakpoints
It’s just stupid, base damage is too low
because it has too much magazine size that doesnt fit the weapon category
The higher fire rate and higher mag size I don’t think has anything to do with it. If that were the case everything should have M1A damage and M1A should have 1886 damage with 1886 being a 2-3 shot kill max. I personally think this is how it should be but this is not an issue of fire rate or mag size
AR they scale damage with rof, and that works mostly fine
rifles they scale with magazine size
but the cutoff point is too high
Are you talking about the way the game is coded or the way the guns work because I don’t think mag size scales anything
the way devs decided to give weapon damage
look at the snipers
slow bolt action = high damage
fast semi auto = low damage
perfect sense
but then you look at SVD vs MK20
SVD has lower mag and rof so it has more damage and better handling
MK20 has more mag and rof so it has less damage and handling
but the handling on MK20 to compensate the big magazine and rof is so poor that makes it a bad weapon to use
Yea well they did it wrong . They went overkill with higher rpm weapons having shit handling low damage
It’s why I’m not impressed with project resolve they just ignored some guns that needed buffs more than others. All that changed was the meta. People run f2000 over famas now for mag size but lose a mod slot
You can’t even make use of higher rpm snipers consistently because it takes more than 3 headshots
the gap between F2000 and Famas isnt big enough to be a deal breaker
And you are not compensated with more ammo for “bigger mag size”
the gap between performance between LVOA-C and M1A is big enough to be for me
bring back the division1 lvoac and lightweight m4!
Exactly
There is when you consider the handling and dps loss of f2000 over range … I used to use it before the buff but the thing has a huge damage drop off
Idk if that’s changed but the only 2 ways I found to compensate for it was strained or ranger
i'm saying after the buff
that would solve nothing
It would. It would remove them from rifle class and put them in AR class because that’s where they belong with such low damage and semi auto “spam”
Does anyone have a list of all the blueprints in the game atm? I'm missing a chunk as I didn't start playing until late last year and the crafting table doesn't want to show me the ones I don't have.
like the broken one from launch ??????
yes!
I love seeing an enemy attack a CP I captured and then like 10 minutes later an enemy resource convoy comes along behind it as if they expected their buddies to win
Lengmo mask crafting: can you roll one with double crit or you gotta get it as a drop?
now that is a good bot at work
you can get it from crafting
there is a heavier bias for the first roll to match the main core in gear
What do you mean
gays, where do i farm rogue agents for ridgeway chest
Man these 2 rouge agents I need take the piss. Would find them all the time in the open world but now I just get none
they kinda just appear everywhere i find them at cp sometimes also in countdown
Lengmo drops blue, first attribute has higher chance to be blue
Rogues have a chance to spawn at a CP after you've defended it, but before it's "claimed".
they can also spawn in the Summit every 30 minutes in a room with a closed end-door and no boss.
they do not appear in Countdown.
(you can also get them randomly replacing an encounter in a Mission, and in the LZ, also on a timer)
check ur files maybe
if you are farming brand that always comes with armor as the main core slot, the odds of the secondary roll being blue is higher
do u need alert lv 4 or can u do lower and doesnt matter
Lvl 3 or 4, both spawn them fine.
at that level, they also drop 1 blueprint from their pool each completion, so might as well double-up.
Man I cannot seem to get an exotic drop from countdown
Bad luck
Extremely
Is there a Maint tonight
whats the best way to find the snitch? Ive visited a bunch of spots i remember finding him at and gone to new york and back to reset, but no luck after 40 mins.
could sum1 help me wit my game?
I walked outside of a safe house in new york and got jumped by 2 of them. I have completed it now
do we have any news on any new Divison games? I really want to scratch the itch but i've played too much Div2.
Division 3 dev team is probably still being built so be a while before any new main title.
its not even being built yet
really wish they waited to announce it even if its still going to months away from when I would like them to annouce it
People saw Division 3 and ran with it
They dont even have a team yet to start working on it xd
Hey how do I get the exotic smg that I see everyone using it isn’t the lady death or the one that puts you on bleed
And can I get it from summit?
Ouroboros. You can only get it from the incursion
The random rogue spawns in areas I'm not familiar with really burns my butt. This only happens at a couple of DC locations to me but nearly the majority of NY spawns. I'd pay cash for a hud that shows the general direction when they spawn. However, I'm not so fussed now that they are bugged and a fix may or may not be incoming in the next few months?
i would play division 3
It’s hard if you don’t have people that know what to do.
.drib is there Maint tonight
no
What’s currently invaded
Pretty sure if there was it would be in #news-and-announcements
Thankyou .drib
Just played ghost recon breakpoint and it has missions related to splinter cell & rainbow 6
Is the division in the same universe?
All i got in that game is just MP5 SHD edition lol
Whats the current weekly legendary?
Manning National Zoo
Alright staying away from mm.
I hate when it's manning
Its the first time zoo got weekly leg rotation
Ah
Hi everyone

Ello
It was my birthday on the 22nd so I'm one more year older 😆
I was wondering if there is a way to have your xp bar and hud up permanently ?
@jade gulch No advertising in this server pls.
Happy belated birthday 🎂
Happy Birthday 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks
not as far as I know, but pressing f brings up the hud on demand
How do you transfer expose through melee? I melee everytime my bar is full or I'm pulsing red but I feel like I'm only getting 1 progress per like 10 melees.
Any idea why i cant recalibrate sniper rifles?
As soon as i choose the tinker tab or whatever it's called now, nothing shows up. UI is gone.
I have this issue too, try switching between tabs and opening other tabs and going back
Otherwise press M on the weapon you want to tinker
It will specifically bring up the tinkering station for that one
Pipes have the same issue, the workaround is directly tinkering the item you want to
Didn't knew they added the option to tinker items from your inventory, thanks !
Expertise, Tinker (Recal and Optimise), Library, all from anywhere now.
Good morning, what’s in the box ?
The Fan Kit Plz
Fan Kits are basically for non-commercial use and fanart/cosplay references.
e.g.profile pics, backgrounds, etc.
Oh awesome thank you
2000+ fixes for project resolve and they can't fix the foam bug in pvp ffs.
There's a foam bug in pvp?
Has been since they introduced the skill
I've never used it so I wouldn't know
what all content can you do with the GE active?
Every but raid incursion pvp and descent iirc
so no countdown?
No countdown aswell
sadge
The bulk of farming during a Global Event is done in just the usual "CP+acitivites" run around.
You'll find backup real fast with one active.
also are the caches from the ge event buyable more than once? also are there any ways to obtain ge stars other than challenges? also also srry for al the questions 🥹
Buy as much as you can
And you earn them from leveling up aswell.
ty for the help
If someone refers to "stars" on here, that's what they mean.
😮 every level or is it like every 5?
ok ty
is Cassie shared between characters? or do i have to search for the snitch when i craete a new char?
What is the best way to level up fast
open world with directives
another option is 4 stack conflict spamming team elimination, similar XP to doing open world.
Up to 6mil XP from a single match (if you can win)
does the shd exposed event work in countdown ?
mine deactivated but dont know if I did it by accident somehow or if it just doesnt work
Not active in cd. It auto shuts off if you goto cd
man i wish frenzy was active throughout the whole mag instead of just 5 seconds
man… i hate Zoo on legendary..
Right there with you
ok cheers thought I de activated it obviously not then
is there anything else the SHd event de activates in ?
If you answer a backup call and they dont have it active it will shut off for you as well
does summit count as any of those where it deactivates ?
what’s a good chest piece talent for pve?
transfer full exposure to a hostile using a melee attack is bugged or i am doing it wrong?
Depends on the build
memento
im wondering the same thing mine is still 0/25
Gotta give me more info man
Skill build, snipers, ARs, shotguns or what? That hasnt really told us much
any new D2 players ?
so how does the SHD event objective work (exactly) for transfering full exposure to a hostile using a melee attack ?
I am building up the charges & doing melee attacks but not getting the credit what am I doing wrong ?
I think you have to be full stack to transfer.
is big horn worth grinding?
@wooden tapir check dm
Its not the uber best, people say its meta on pvp right now
Manic blueprint still not fixed... 😄
I think SHD Exposed might be my favorite global event. I love the fat headshot snipes I can get with them
biggest one I've seen so far is around 121 million
the buffs to the majority of the GE's this season onwards are wonderful for sure.
tell this man about reanimated
Here's what changed for Exposed:
10x melee damage for the first melee hit after reaching 100% exposed.
Stacks are acquired 50% faster.
Doubled pulse radius.
Players take 65% damage instead of 115% from pulsed enemies. Non-pulsed enemies still deal full damage.```
I would love it if we could just have any GE active that we want, but without rewards. The gameplay is just chef's kiss
The problem with that is that it would split the player-base, as you can only matchmake for people with the GE active as-is.
ah itd make the game so so easy
Then crank the difficulty up when they're turned on lol
I play solo Heroic and the game's already crazy easy
Using OP builds makes div2 quite easy, it's true.
power-creep has been a thing for quite a while now anyway, the game has gotten much easier over time.
Nemesis headshots is quite slow, but so satisfying. I could use Determined, but it's just too easy for my taste
if they follow the trend of the recent manhunt missions I think heroic isn't gonna be so easy soon
the most exciting GE change I'm interested in seeing in action? Hollywood:
Tripled explosion range.
Tripled explosion damage.
Fixed explosion VFX.
Explosions generate signature ammo and grenades at the player's location.```
Fixed explosion vfx
🙏
Hey there. I recently started TD2 again with a fresh character. I hit lvl 30 before starting the endgame. I thought specializations unlocked on lvl30? Or do they unlock on beating the main story?
lmao I kinda forgot Signature weapons were a thing. I never use mine as it's just flat weaker than my Nemesis
grenade launcher about to go wild
You mastered 1/4 and 1/2 charges yet? Basically partial charges that will still one shot.
the Sig weapons are very much a "way too niche" thing.
except for the Crossbow, I can't think of a real use for them outside of maybe niche strats that I can't think of.
We need either some nutty spec weapon reworks, or new spec weapons
insta breaking armor plates
I'd love for newer spec weapons to really just bend the game around. Give us a compound bow that shoots silently and doesn't alert enemies if you kill out of the line-of-sight
or maybe a set of Juggernaut armor that lets you face tank
grenade launcher is when you run out of mortar turret ammo
tac 50 and bow are the only ones I see actually put to use
I have. Most of the time when I charge up it's to get HH active. After that I'm just holding for a bit
flamethrower and minigun useless
has descent bug that you can't get weekly comm after killing nemesis fixed yet?
Once an enemy is alerted, they all are. It's not a matter of them seeing them be killed.
It's just part of the engine itself it seems.
This is the way.
I honestly would love a rudamentary stealth system for the game. Be able to jam comms and screw with AI pathing to take advantage of different fights. Pick off an enemy or two with a suppressed weapon or one with a flash hider so they can't just immediately know where you are
That would be an entirely different game by itself, not just a side thing.
?
For a game that's 5 years old and has hardly changed I wouldn't mind something like that. I doubt we're ever going to get a Division 3 at this point lol
IIRC the two times you can kill enemies without having to actually fight them is if you draw a rival faction nearby, or go to DCD base mission and turn on the fire room without alerting them.
They are developing TD3.
Definitely gonna abuse this stealth feature as an ar main
Div3 has been confirmed, it's coming (we assume) some time after Outlaws/Heartland/Resugence/the div2 dlc.
and ditched the Heartland maybe
I'm not sure what form "TD3" would take, but I think a lot of people would be really unhappy with having all of their progression just wiped away again to fully restart
Wut? It will be a new game....
Yeah and then wen got like 5 different updates with massive amounts of vertical progression that was well above the complexity of the vanilla game lmao
What's that thing the pokemon devs say? "If we took every idea that fans had we would make the worst game in the world" or something like that.
And yet they still manage to make some of the worst games in the world :lul:
People complain too much.
stuff always sounds great in a vacuum, but something like a stealth system, or melee, or vehicle crafting or survival elements in the LZ, all would change how div2 works at a base level.
People definitely complain, but jesus the last like 10 years of Pokemon games have been awful
lol vehicles in division
I like what we have at the minute
At most I can see bicycles being the "vehicles" we get lmao
I miss survival but that doesn't really work cuz no blizzard and shit
Quad copter flight Sim
the amount of times we've had suggestions of having cars in DC whilst the roads are clearly clogged up with wrecks is just...they don't play the game enough and want to play it even less by driving to the mission start instead of walking from a spawn point.
who walks to the mission start
The most I'd want for world updates would be for Massive to just clean up the dead bodies
just fast travel lolmao
better yet just spawn on the mission itself 
I more meant things like bounties and such, but sure.
we've had a dead mf sitting outside of the White house entrance for the past 5 years now. Clean it up please
Yeah that's newer
I find it curious there's a black tusk branded bulwark
in canon it's still just slightly afterwards at the White House.
it's like how the Castle remained dead for 4 years before it got cleaned up.
We must be reminded of when they attacked the Whitehouse
I think the Legacy Manhunt menu added a direct date timeline
Didn't they canonically steal them from the DARPA labs?
I wouldn't know tbh
Really I wish the Whitehouse lighting would go back to pre invaded tho.
you can see them inside the lab if you wander around, and giant turrets that i want so badly.
Jupiter's team came on the 20th of August, and our current day is like sometime in mid-late October
WOW the last three seasons took place over the span of 3 days
Roosevelt manhunt was a lot earlier than stovepipe, im not really sure what you're referring to here.
that was back pre-Lau hunt.
I'd still like the full seasons to be evergreen at some point
it sucks missing out on full missions and recordings
not having context for stuff really puts a hamper on the storytelling
comms are available now
I've not seen any so far
named enemies drop them from the manhunts
Each Named Enemy gives you 1 comm within the Manhunt itself ^
Oh, well I'd rather not just grind out the same Manhunt like 30 times to get the dialogue. Plus there's still the post-manhunt missions like with Stovepipe that you just have no context for if you missed it
if you need the context it's there for you in the comms
it's not though
What's missing?
if youre interested in more lore stuff I think NGN does that sort of thing
I had no idea there was an entire mission at the White House that lead from the Stovepipe season to the Mari Singh season
And then "Agent Johnson" just shows up out of nowhere and I have no clue who he is either. It's so fragmented, and the easiest solution would be just to make the seasons evergreen so you could toggle them and do the manhunts one at a time to get the dialogue and do any supplementary missions
all you missed was a cutscene or 2 and razorback lite
yeah and those cutscenes contained most of the context for what's happening this year lmao
I come back and apparently Kelso left and I have no clue why or what lead to it
thats the whole point lol
the manhunt is a search for her
I really can't imagine that she'd just be here one day and poof gone the next without anything in-game hinting at it or revealing it like Faye being a Rogue agent at the end of Warlords
yeah Vanguard is best described as a "following the breadcrumbs" mystery. We have no idea why she left, or where she's going. We likely aren't going to even fight her and are just finding hidden messages.
I mean yeah that's fine. I'm cool with discovering that as we go
but was there any cutscene or message saying that she left?
yes, at the beginning
That is the full context that you can get from the Recruiter comms and then what we've seen so far in this season.
The Recruiter comms that can only be gotten if you play the mission like 30 times to get them to drop
👍
much less than 30
You like complaining.
if youre that interested get the comms or get the lore externally
And a chunk of them can't even be obtained from there, you have to go for a hunt for extra ones outside of the mission around DC.
I'm pretty sure those are still there.
I just don't understand why that was the final decision though. Replay the same mission over and over again and slowly piece things together instead of just letting us toggle the Manhunt again and replay it. I'm pretty sure you could already do that with previous ones
Nope, you could never replay an entire Manhunt unless they re-ran the Season.
I vaguely remember there was a way to reset it so all of the relevant CPs would be occupied again
but maybe not, IDK
Yeah, so why can't we just be able to do it after? It's not like the data gets deleted from the game lmao
easier since manhunts are more complicated than just being able to reselect them
we've seen what happens when even a short revert during a season goes wrong and it breaks the game big time
How so? We have a Legacy Manhunt menu. Just have it work where you select what Manhunt you want to work on from that menu, or revert to the current live Manhunt
what drib said. Clearly there's a reason we can't just replay the entire Manhunt whenever we want, I assume it's to do with game stability.
How many comms are you missing from whatever Manhunt you want to do?
thats only the prime target
bringing back the other stuff would probably break the game again
older manhunts had different/way more objectives along with it changing a ton of the map makes it not so easy to just bring back
example being when there was an extended no season after a season because something broke regarding seasons opening the map made you crash
im going insane i keep trying to roll either crit damage/headshot damage on my bag but keep getting fuuucked and i cant tinker it since i need the tinker for the talent
Which bag is it?
ceska guerilla backpack
got crit chance and crit damage roll on it before but needed headshot
so you got the talent in your tinker you want or not?
yeah already have the talent
is this some kind of pvp thing
yes
its for my nemesis build
im near 300% headshot damage
show us the attribute panel
lemme end this countdown
Deploys T6 drone and stinger hive on extract to quickly wipe the team.
exuro turret for ultimate liability
I love exuro for many places.
when you bring up the item and selct in inventory
show us what the stats are right now.
tagged
I've only ever done Jupiter and Faye Lau. The rest I've missed, so I have a ton of those comms to get
Well if you want to experience the full story, NGN does a pretty good series if you take a look at their channel.
would avoid you having to do the hundreds of comms that are not there.
That's what I was afraid of. We shouldn't have to consult a YouTube channel to get access to all of the comms
or the only alternative being bashing your head against a wall with the same mission for possibly days to collect the comms
It wouldn't be days, and you are being incredibly dramatic.
I'm picturing your Agent laying on a fainting couch complaining of the vapours.
How is that being dramatic? That's such an "f-u, I got mine" mentality
"should have been playing when they were live"
Invaded Grand Washington Hotel this week.
if you need to start the Nemesis sniper project or need the blueprint, this is the best week to do that.
even without all the parts, once blueprint is in hand nemesis can drop from MMR target loot.
There are at least 20 comms for each season. Last season had 33. I'd have to complete each of those missions that many times to collect the comms that could be picked up in like 3 hours of clearing CPs and doing Bounties
they are gone, there are other ways to learn of the lore
thing is you didn't miss out
Reality isn't always good.
its all obtainable
You've been given multiple answers on what to do, nothing anyone here says will change how things work so you can either take one of those responses or stop complaining because no one can help.
i would just look up NGN on yt. all that stuff should be in nice little packages to consume
I do think this game does some less than ideal things. Making content that time gated or just not available a majority of the time is dumb, people worked hard to make the content and story line we should be able to enjoy it.
That still doesn't solve the problem of post-manhunt missions like the Stovepipe one. I literally only found out that there was a raid on the White House when I looked at the opening cutscene for the next Manhunt mission
I mean yeah, but it's still like one step above Destiny 2's storyline system lol
This is all one big loop isn't it.
In a moment someone is going to bring up ceska pvp bags and its going to start again.
yes history always repeats 😆
idk why that reminded me of the historian flavour text
The talent yeah? For sure.
an exotic m1a imagine
I bet it would require some kind of DOCTOR at HOME.
dread edict next I hope
one for blb and mosquito would be fun too, both are kinda simple.
"Will the Dread Edict finally get a scope? Find out on the next season of The Division 2!"
I'm getting flashbacks to watching Lost when it was new and I don't like it.
fr, explosions gonna be so realistic my pc finna blow up
Don't you mean "SSG" scope hint dragonball super
Interestingly enough this was a feature in the E3 trailer - so was helping your agent from mobile by sending in mortar strikes and what not. All scrapped ideas.
true that
I think it's a good thing we didn't get any of that. Having external stuff linked never works well.
Best place to farm max mods?
watch dogs used to have quite a cool companion app
I really want a gun like the historian to return it would just be good fun lol
Do you get anything worth it for completing all 100 floors of summit?
just got the nemesis
damn it hits hard
mask
Ok good enough for me!
also if you get the parts you can start an exotic quest
floor 100 is a pain on legendary though
I keep doing the 15 floors for the weekly but then I was like; should I just be resetting to get it down quicker
I’m up to the 60’s now. Running on challenging
nice
summit is a good way to get loot [especially if you dont wanna do countdown]
also you can get the bighorn if ya do it on legendary [and get a good drop]
Yeah been going back and forth between them. I like doing summit with the gear from countdown to see how well I do. Since countdown is a cakewalk
true
How can get ravenous exotic weapon?
Iron Horse
does anyone know how to get regulus using alt?
Iv done the project, and Im at the last step requiring to grab the pieces from the bosses. And I thought I could use my alt to run thru the raid again
No alts need to do the project first
You mean alt character right?
Not alt account?
So just share the BP stuff and you just need to run thru with the regulus on a different character, if you have it on you or in your stash parts wont drop. You also can only do this ONCE per fresh week.
And only on your very first run of the week
Hmm i dont have the regulus just yet
Did you have the BP from Inaya and had not run it at all during the reset?
no blueprint just yet, the project end part, says to collect parts
was wondering if i can collect parts on an alt
Another week yo. The only part that you can get right now is the gold bar from the box.
Bosses will not drop parts if you've run on this reset regardless of character.
Tidal basin mission just stuck. Stand at doors that won't open… anyone got a fix?
did you just kill the second antiviral warhound? If so, you need to fire a flare before you can move on
First
No flare to fire… nothing. Seems like a glitch
Tried to kill my self but just regenerated health immediately because there's no one around
hello guys i just discorved dark zone and i playing with a random for 10 minutes. but he left and it seems more fun duo so anyone want to explore the dark zone with me?
if you dont kill the first one before it starts moving towards that gate then there is a chance it disappears and no flare to fire. also seen it glitch there with rogues and not having a way to pass it
best bet it to get it killed before it makes its way back to the emp stand
yeah that's quite an old bug, particularly annoying on heroic because you have to reset the whole mission
if you aren't on heroic you can reset the stage with a bit of thought, eg removing any armor cores you're wearing, combining a grenade with a sticky bomb at your feet, etc
throw 2 regular 'nades, or Explosive sticky next time you wanna die
Fire sticky best wipe skill
as an old f10 guy, oxi works really well too. if self delete isnt working put a glass piece on
It's just me, or we can't reroll snipers ?!
Section is bugged and i can't select it
which sniper
From tinker
Bug when running two of the same weapons and trying to tinker
only equip one sniper, not two, then try
You can also enter the weapons and select what you want to tinker.
Just a bug. You can't open tinker from the inventory overview if you have two of the same weapon types equipped.
From the weapon it self ? Ty
the menu of your inventory
Yeah I personally always tinker by going into the thing and selecting what I want to tinker. Like if you wanna tinker a gun or chest go into the thing and click what you wanna tinker then press m and it'll go straight to that item.
@real creek I know what you are talking about, but you should post a picture of the menu buttons you use on PC, on my controller it's a menu button
Ya tried that next to a tank and I regenerated immediately lol. I just reset the Xbox. Getting a white screen too
Welp I'm working so no such thing shall happen. Regardless just read the bottom text and press the corresponding button.
reading is hard. :Kappa:
It’s always hard
is there a way to minimize or hide teammates names when aiming or in combat?
it gets in the way a lot
any good guide on how to max expertise? I mean i know i can use everything till 10, but idk how worth it is to donate stuff to speed up other item levels
So best Way to farm materials?
High shd- run wony to duplicate watch
Low shd- hit up solar farm cp daily, do all projects/daily bounties, hit up every case you find, run cd and decon a bunch of stuff.
Running challenging + controlpoints will give blueprints for optimization mats randomly
Ty:)
Hello
Is the 12% pfe mod at clan only visible to level 40? I'm wondering if a level 30 can see it also
30 and 40 vendors will be different stock
Not that I've seen but its rng so you never know
can max mods even show up in vendors my guess is no
I'm not sure they can either
I'm sure it's possible
12% pfe pretty good for a vendor tho. Good time to buy up some if needed
I remember something about it not being possible which is why the 12% pfe is so good and everyone and their mom makes a video about it every time it happens
Defo need to grab it myself after Tidal
Another day, another time where the weekly descent rewards is not fixed
It's slated for TU20.2
It has been for quite a while, which strongly leads me to believe they either f'ed up horribly - or it's for lore reasons
My guess is that they are gonna release it next week then
20.1 just happened week ago....
The soonest you'll know is like 4 days before a patch is coming and they usually add the trello patch notes first.
anyone know how turn off uplay beta?!
it is turned on automatically
i don't know how to turn it off 😂
Suffer this is your existance now.
ty 🤣
😆
Ho Hi guys, I'm in trouble... after years of Xbox with Td2 I switched to PC
Can I pass data from Xbox to PC?
Nope. No cross-play, no cross-save.
Sorry.
Oh...
Game from 2019, you really feel it sometimes.
too bad, I'll have to uninstall then... I had more than 600 hours on xbox
luckily with farming methods these days, you can catch up quite quickly.
one Countdown run on Challenging will get you about 50-ish pieces of loot.
takes about 15 minutes.
how could I do?
Your best bet is to find long-term friends down in #td2-clan-recruitment, most players are happy to help someone transferring over from another platform because they know what they're doing.
thanks for the suggestion
Jesus shd exposed is good
Allowing me to do 700k-1m on crit with lady death
Given Im using BK exotic but yeah
The buffs to it are super nice, can't wait for the rest of the GE's to see how good they are now.
That's actually way more impressive as BK is...okay it's not good.
i hit lvl 901 an hour ago ^_^
Yeah its very situational I know
The fact lady death has the 500% melee damage, and its stacking with max exposed melee damage
Therefore bk is getting triggered, and so forth
I just wish I had adrenaline rush instead of bloodsucker
Can someone pls tell me how to stop crashing
I wasn’t sure to play div2 or apex last night
Booted up the game to try and get my spotter build in countdown and I crashed 5 mins in. Went to apex lmao
guys...
how can i report a bug to ubi...?
cuz ghost mask on washington monument is definetly bugged
Been bugged for a really long time. Shoot out the lights and try a bunch of different positions and directions for saluting.
Oh wait you are talking about a different one
what lights...?
i'm talking bout the hunter which you have to salute 3 graves

i think that was wraith or sth
Idk if that one's actually bugged or if people are messing it up tho
it IS bugged....
when you face the grave and the monument...
after the salute there's a glitch in UI shows you've done it right
me and my lads tested it in these few days....
didn't work
i personally done it a while back so i know how this works....
plus it's not that hard
that's what she... uhhhhh
wut...?
read what you wrote
sorry mate - my english is not that good...🥲

In descent mode, is still not get the intel
I can't explain the joke because that's against the rules 
Slated for TU20.2 fix
ah dang it....
why do i feel you wanted to mention kelso with this....?
i dunno - i don't know much bout division lore
remeber: when you run into the open field in the incursion and get waxed wearing your 'all game mode' all red Striker, then ask where were the heals, look way behind you.
nothing to do with lore, you wrote "it's not that hard" and I made the joke "that's what she said".
Healing turrets is a noob move at this point tho.
my favorite so far is on the opening 'what is a decoy'
Don't need decoy or EMP.
ok then what do you do?
I really do wish people would view this.
then again its you and Raucey so I sort of expect something like this to work.
lol bro it's been done duo in 9:51 now tho.
It's funny tho cause we do duo turrets in almost 1 min flat every time and our fastest is 56 seconds.
Any new players wanting to grind the game with someone new?
why does this game continue to put me in Europe servers when im in the mdidle of the us like what.
It was 50 or 52 wasn't it?
You just don't think that's going to happen again
Does anyone know how you access the season pass im hella confused
buy it on the store.
guys im scared i know i was level 1000+ on pc but on ubi connect its only saying my highest level is 31
the math aint mathing correct
Ubi Connect is showing you the "raw" backend data
a Level 40 with near-maxed everything is Level 30 Gearscore 925 according to it
Could also be showing another characters level being as it is showing 31
yeah logged on got a bunch of annoying tutorials and im 1415 😄 so much better than being only 235 🤢
I made a new character the other day and ubisoft decided to show me a level 7 being my highest level lol
god i missed my merciless build holy fuh
shit was so broken at the start, then they nerfed it in to the ground
bring back merciless!
well i take down bosses w only 2 trigger pulls so did it really get nerfed?
Is anyone else struggling with Ubi connect opening?
I've been playing for a while. Still in game actually but I see there is a message on my connect saying "we will continue trying to restore a connection that was interupted"
am I the only one still who doesn't get daily mission rewards since TU 20?
lol I've rolled about 20-25 HSD/WH Habsburg pieces and I think about 18-19 have had Trauma as the talent and thats kind of bugging me
cause that doesnt really seem like RNG
is the game down right now? I can't log in at all
Looks like it. I played earlier today and was fine, now I can't log in to ubisoft connect.
lmao can't play your games because Ubi's servers are awful
I really hope that they realize their launcher is awful and that nobody would willingly use it if they could have an alternative
New features beta ?
@azure lintel I swear some sets are heavily weighted for certain rolls. I have 4 or 5 unicorn pieces I've been trying to get for over a month. I spent a week trying to get Aegis peices with ST, SD and they just don't drop either. I'm still hunting a Providence vest with yellows and Glass, some builds are damn near impossible to min/max.
just loaded on in idk how long what should i be doing rn?
invasion, daily projects, then whatever you like to do.
thank you
@hollow sequoia The Sacrifice is not bad because it's a guaranteed talent and named items are weighted for chest/backpack slots in targeted loot, so hopefully thats good news for you (i have a Skill Core Skill Haste Skill Damage Sacrifice on 2 characters and a All yellow gift as well, wasnt bad at all)
Skill Damage Status Effect Groupo pieces took me about 450 summit levels tho, and im fairly certain I will never get both my Habsburg unicorns because i wont delete a character to cheese my SHD points, but its something to hope for
What are you building? Hotshot sniper build?
Well I already have the build, just want those unicorns for the extra 5% WD and 15% HSD because why not
are expertise levels on gear still additive?
Talking about gate press tho.
Fastest ad clear was 50 tho.
definitely not worth the resources unless you're* maxed out mats and nothing to use them on. i think everything at exp 20 is somewhere around 1 armor core gain.
are weapons worth tho?
expertise on gear only affects base armor, it doesn't include any attributes or bonus armor for % calculation. Weapons and skills get way more benefit for your resources.
i just got a mantis from a exotic cache how viable is mantis
It's good for sniper builds.
good sniper
Mantis is great with decoy, Nemesis is better for single target damage, White Death is great also. All the other MR's are just okay IMO. I haven't tried them since the update though.
with resolve m700 nets more damage than white death. all variants
anyone else getting bravo-04 errors?
@full zincI'll have to try that.
@shrewd cosmos yep, they broke something in the last few hours. I was on fine earlier today and ran the invaded missions. I can't log in now.
Copy, thanks. I thought it might be my connection but other games are fine
im getting it to
Can't log into Ubisoft in general
calm down dude, no one's perfect in this life, neither a server.
Ubisoft discord general chat is on a 2 hour slow mode. Is that always present or do they activate it when people inform them the servers are down?
thats jsut how long the ubisoft servers are taking to process the chat messages probably
can memento drop from the end of the incursion chest?
Yes
I swear some of yall have gaming addictions
theres no way people get this mad over ubisoft being down without being addicted
Literally just play something else
Server issues suck but there isn’t anything you can do about it
Its not like its been down for a day or anything
man its so stupid that a t6 shield can just be disabled by some rando black tusk with emp ammo
It’s called mechanics
it's a stupid mechanics, an EMP pulse should only deactivate mods installed on the shield, not the shield itself which is a chunk of metal
The shield is a skill, just saying
well, not quite, many skill talents, even Bluescreen LMG, starts with: ”when agent deploys a non-shield skill...”
thats for balancing
Shields are skills, there's no actual debate around that.
balancing it's a term which these devs knows nothing about it
Oh so it's an armchair dev kinda day?
they messed up the first game, now they messed up the second one, I'm absolutely sure they'll messing up the third one
the non-shield skill thing is quite a fairly good balancing choice
Well I've got stuff to do so can only be here sporadically, ping someone with an orange name if people go too far, y'all have fun.
only for us, for NPCs does not applies; using a pulse, any of it, on NPCs wouldn't deactivate their shields, just disorientate and slow down a bit for a few seconds, depending on players' skill tier
Yeah best talent pre nerf rip strained optimist
Now rip insync
the only NPCs with deployable shields are rikers that cant deploy them if they are EMP'd
and cleaners shields what are then?
not skills? same as hyenas and riker heavy that heavy shield as part of their base loudout
theres alot of things NPC can do that players cant
its kinda the point
give me the nail gun shield loadout plz
You can actually shatter the cleaner/etc shields and they can't bring them back out.
so clearly those are not the same.
Should I just go after missions and bounties or should I be a support player?
do think nailgun would make a good exotic
No reason you can't do both.
answer calls for backup and also have a shooty shooty kill build.
👍
true, but most of the time they are killed without shredding the shield first, because those shields are extremely resistant, even the riot shield from cleaners, made of plastic
and give it aimbot, like the nailguns the NPCs have 
I do want some more weird Exotics, but it wouldn't super fit the tone.
Also, is having really high armor compared to my health useful?
Im just gonna say
I really wanna see alpha bridge come back to Div2
Blinder out here with the hot takes.
next up: cleaners use fire.
Holy moly
honestly there's plenty of room in there for that, making a crossbow MMR, big game revolver as rifle and other stuff to break the mold
Okay smoke bomb time.
Best div1 gearset (either already or converted) as a rifle focus build for div2?
I want my D3-FNC build 🙃
striker
They have bulwark for that
No I mean something that doesn't make me want to jump off a bridge.
in all seriousness probably pred
not even close
It’s close enough
Haven't we kinda already got a Predators Mark in div2?
give me any set of requirements and i could probably make striker fit it 
predator is a fake gun set that is actually about bleed
OD is a fake bleed set that is actually about the gun
a extremely watered down one yea
weak, tried that, not usable above Challenging
Skill build in CD :p
If you can't make a build work above challenging, that is on you.
a full white setup works on Heroic with enough practice.
I really wanna see a healer build exotic AR in the game like how capacitor is for skill dmg
I made a random pieces purple build do Lincoln with all directives. OD defo works above chall
OD is fine
Ah Lincoln runs. I miss when those were the "testing stuff out IRL" times.
yea this was like 3 years ago maybe even 4
the small issues it has is mostly the status effect roll and backpack
TTK too long, damage per tick too low, not for me
change those, and it's fine
Any tips on how to make my blueprints stronger, even my high end ones are really weak at the moment
healer striker existed for a bit. it was okay ish
OD is NOT a gear set about bleed, it's about ammo bonus
also OD is incredibly annoying if you're trying to keep an eye on your ammo counter.
I appreciate the free ammo, but gosh I wish there was a separate counter when it's active.
just kill everything and you dont have to worry about that
I mean 😪 it does have a bleed ammo icon and it’s highlighted orange when you have some
but on more serious note, chanign backpack to give more ammo for your and your team and 2 piece bonus to mag size would make set more interesting
Lincoln is the easiest mission in the game, mostly liniar, 2-3 spawns, could be done only with pistol
kinda hard when you have 0 dmg lol
You really need to let this go that you aren't very good with OD.
sometimes a build just doesn't click with people, that's 100% fine.
lincoln only purpose was to test shit or farm it when targetted loot was right
countdown just replaced it
4 or 5 yea
so definetly good for loot
oh, of course, I'm not using that trash build anymore, there are many other builds that can do the job more effectively 👍
4 bosses, one in the inner yard, and three at the end
arent 4 at the end?
Lincoln's main purpose now is to trivialise the "kill named enemies" weekly project.
there are 100% 4 in total.
1 heavy at the start, 2 lighter from the back at the end, one heavy from the left also at the end.
(I ran it 4 times in the last 2 weeks :p)
i lost count how many times i ran last 2 weeks
I ran it 4 times in a day for project (four chars tho) 🙃
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
call me weirdo but i kinda miss OD giving explosive ammo and at flat 30 total
it actually made running certain weapons with low mags better
OD could be paired with Pestilence to maximize combined damage from bleed and plague
Did they make it so you can't hide in the room anymore on floor 100 if summit
yes, you have to enter in the room with hunters
why did they do that I can't use that strategy now
brilliant devs, some would say 🙃
Some days I question why I till play div 2
that makes two of us 🤣
Atp I'm just waiting for the Conley outfit
Already made a build using OD, pestilence and vile
Its because the actual game itself is good, they just simply have a thing for not improving mid to trash gear so a lot of people have no reason to make more unique builds
More unique builds tend to just be worse
Its okay, gimmick is decent, not a big fan of LMGs but works
All i see in this game now are strikers, OD, all red, and tank builds
me too, but feels too weak, honestly, not even close to Predator's Mark fron Div1
Because its not about bleed
A lot of skill builds are either boring, not used much, or are just worse than other skill builds
Bleed is not good here because of predators
Man i rarely see anyone running OD outside of myself
Whats od again
Ongoing directive, the hollow point ammo one
it's about status effect, and bleed is a status effect
I mainly see it in countdown
Outside of that na
It has status effect as part of the gimmick for sure, the power of the set doesnt come from that
Imo the only actual fun lmg for anyone not into lmgs is bluescreen
What about iron lung
I mean I guess its fine but bluescreen: looks great, feels really easy to use with a fast reload, and has a unique talent that when you learn how to use it makes it very easy to use
If anything the builds in this game mainly run EB after buff, Ouro, or elmos
Oreo 💤
tried EB already, barely usable, goes back to stash
Almost forgot every sniperbuild just uses white death
???
Even with dtoc
Its better than elmos after the buff
Slapping dtoc on it alone improved it massively
Elmos does a bit more dps but EB has higher base dps
not enough, you miss a lot of shots until the talent proc
That sounds like a skill issue
Fr
You also don’t need the talent 24/7
The talent is good but EB is usable with out it
nope, i can shot a fly between eyes from 50 yards 😄
I was using it fine without any handling mods or buffs
Also anybody not able to optimize health dmg for guns?
Imagine recoil control in the easiest game to have recoil
Can't optimise past your library %
EB talent consist of two parts: first, stabilizing the weapon while you are firing it, second, headshots that delay damage taken; I'm talking about first part 👍
Thx
It improves accuracy not stability
I don’t have issues proc EB’s tenacity
^
Your on pc how can you not aim with EB
Console is easy as well
True but I still do have trouble sometimes
I'm not saying I can't aim with EB, I'm saying there are weapons more accurate than this
Its certainly not the easiest but its definitely not a problem for the gun
Its the trade off of the gun
Controlling weapons in shooters is easy to deal with. Especially on division.
If you're used to elmo recoil ig
All the same to me
Elmo and its zero recoil moment
True
Even bighorn is easy as well despite people bashing it for its recoil