td2-general-chat

[kind veldt]

adn well

you could get 2 full gear set bonus like that?

unless i missed something

[molten spire]

what exactly is the difference from a brand set or the exotic combos they're trying to make happen then?

[robust walrus]

how is a 2 piece not a trade off?

a full gearset is meant to be game changing

Ortiz is not game changing

[kind veldt]

because 2 is less than 4, that means you can get a full gear set bonus with only 2 pieces and have even more options for the rest to be even stronger?

[robust walrus]

when compared to something like True Patriot, Hunters Fury, etc

Ortiz isn't a balanced trade off

shouldn't be a 4 piece

change my mind

[full zinc]

Dont use it

[kind veldt]

think what you want, dont expect people to agree with it

[robust walrus]

Justify how skill utility should be a 4 piece

[full zinc]

There have been plenty of trash sets , ortiz isnt special

[robust walrus]

You're right

it should be though

so how do you make it special?

[full zinc]

Swap to eclipse

[robust walrus]

cause the trade off isn't worth it

there you go

eclipse is worth it

works with all skills with status effects

you can't use eclipse with Ortiz unless you want just the burn strength

see what I mean?

build creativity is limited in a 4 piece for the ortiz

[full zinc]

Ok so ortiz kinda falls in there with rigger. Pointless set

Same with tips now

[robust walrus]

Rigger is worth it

[full zinc]

No it isnt

[robust walrus]

compared to Ortiz it is lol

[kind veldt]

tips is definetly worse than both rigger and exuro

[full zinc]

You can do so.much better with high end

[robust walrus]

Not disagreeing just comparing

a single skill variant requires 4 pieces

doesn't that sound off?

btsu gloves are an exotic piece, just 1

between 1 piece exotic and a 4 piece gearset you're telling me a 2 piece isn't balanced?

come on lol

unless you think a 3 piece better?

you could still ninja backpack a full gearset and then a skillset

[full zinc]

So maybe I misread something... you just want to get that new turret with less pieces?

[kind veldt]

yes he wants gear sets to be 2 pieces

that way you can have bad gear sets using less pieces so the rest of the gear be regular high ends

plot twist that already happened when they tried to push gear sets into being 6 pieces from the start in this game and later dropped to 4 because of that, and it proved success by going back to that format

[full zinc]

I mean technically it should just be in the skill list, so I can agree with that. But at the same time it's the set that makes you immune to it so it would kinda be necessary anyways...

[kind veldt]

so intead of fixing the issue of "maybe they should add a talent that decreases turret cooldown for every enemy killed while burning" to keep the thing active more often

he wants to set to keep being bad but simply be 2 pieces

because apparently BTSU is equal to a full on gear set that reworks an skill because it mentions hives

[full zinc]

I dont think the set should be modified. But I can get behind the turret being available and also available to expertise 🤔

Yeah btsu isnt the same.

[kind veldt]

i think it should be buffed to either be stronger than eclipse while active or find way to decrease the downtime of the turret to be cmore competitive

and honestly the thing that makes EP busted is the fact that burn skills are busted for damage and duration with it, a gear set that fixes the issues of a single skill that also uses burn isnt going to be competitive

[full zinc]

I would genuinely chalk it up to a miss and see what else they come up with. Who knows what's on the horizon... well maybe Eevee knows but she will make us wait 😅

[kind veldt]

and while i would say that the gear set is just a 6 or 7/10

definetly isnt trash tier

exuro is good idea lacking more power behind it, compared to new tips of the spear that is bad ideas contradicting eachother

[full zinc]

I consider it just a bad set tbh. The fact that ep spreads makes any status set way worse by comparison

[kind veldt]

it did the right thing of completley making a meh skill busted by making an entire gear set around it to achieve that, so that good power is there if you sacrifice gear slots... except not really because EP exists

and what makes EP busted is more burn status effect just being the greatest

[full zinc]

The ortiz could have easily been geared towards something like the mortar turret in a way no set really does right now. It's all unicorn highend to get the most out of it

[kind veldt]

problem is that mortar is locked behind a spec

[full zinc]

🤷‍♂️
Currently the turret is locked behind 4 pcs

[kind veldt]

my brain is just going. Does exuro make flame turret good? Yes. Is it better than EP? no. Should EP be nerfed? no

[full zinc]

Even just geared towards explosives would be pretty decent tbh

[molten spire]

yeah I get the push towards (Perfectly) Skilled and possibly Calculated with Exuro

[kind veldt]

explosive gearset is not a bad idea but i think one focused on seeker mines would be more popular, of course having stats such as explosive damage would help

[robust walrus]

yes lol

[molten spire]

that's Hard Wired

[full zinc]

Except hw is all about spam, not strength

[molten spire]

toss out cluster seekers, deploy/undeploy other skill, repeat until everything else is dead

[twilit stag]

out of all skills why flame turret 😦 too stationary to be useful in any situation other than spawn choke points

[kind veldt]

really depends on the arenas you fight

[rich shadow]

It's not better than EP but it's different. Some players will enjoy it, others will look at it as a bad gearset.

[kind veldt]

some it's great, other less so once again i'm saying it definetly needs a buff but it's not broken design wise as others

[molten spire]

on specific missions with clown car spawn doors Exuro would work - Invaded Bank Headquarters comes to mind

[twilit stag]

I think a set based aroudn drone somehow would've been more fun, Drone is already really good in any situation anyways c:

[robust walrus]

My thing is they introduced a gearset, 4 pieces, that revolves around 1 skill and some burn damage

what you get out of those 4 pieces isn't worth it.

when something like eclipse is

[frozen meadow]

Mate here's what you need to know about balancing

Ok so the first thing is

[kind veldt]

i mean OD was very bad because of design flaws

[frozen meadow]

🗑️ this is most items

[kind veldt]

stuff got fixed and while not a super 10/10 meta it's definetly useful

[frozen meadow]

And if most items are 👑

Then the ones that aren't 👑 are 🗑️

[robust walrus]

cute

[full zinc]

🤣

[frozen meadow]

And if they aren't as 👑 as other 👑 then they are 🗑️

So then you have 👑 and 👑👑

[rich shadow]

⚖️

[frozen meadow]

That's called power creep

[robust walrus]

I'm glad you can help me understand things almost as good as Morgan Freeman

thank you

[frozen meadow]

Or damage inflation for lack of better words

[kind veldt]

quite simply i dont think exuro is so bad, but so bad that they need to rework the entire gear set format to just make it 2 pieces for this single set

[robust walrus]

yes

[kind veldt]

i just said that i dont agree with you tho

[robust walrus]

they said before they want to work with the skills that are already out

[frozen meadow]

Which in terms of math can be represented as 👑 (1, 👑)

[robust walrus]

let's find a middle ground

[twilit stag]

i Wish more people appreciated support builds like TP with Opportunistic and Scorpio 🥹

[robust walrus]

3 pieces

[frozen meadow]

Where you just add a multiplier.on top of everything so damage is better but you still have trash and good

[robust walrus]

not worth 4

[rich shadow]

There are much better support builds

[frozen meadow]

So the only way to actually ⚖️ is to 🔥

[kind veldt]

i just say they should buff the set

[robust walrus]

it shouldn't be in 4 piece gear set

[twilit stag]

what do you consider a support build

[kind veldt]

thats it, not make it 2 piece

[frozen meadow]

Then what should it be ._.

[robust walrus]

I say they should take this as a opportunity and do something new

[rich shadow]

EP foam, red FI, OD...

[robust walrus]

make a new set

[frozen meadow]

Then you're adding a completely new concept to the game which is problems in of itself

[robust walrus]

for skill utility

not brand or gear set

[kind veldt]

he thinks it should be 2 piece gear set

[frozen meadow]

What the fuck NO!

[robust walrus]

or at least 3 piece set

[kind veldt]

made a typo sorry

[frozen meadow]

No set should be less than four

[robust walrus]

no skill should be in a 4 piece gearset

[frozen meadow]

Anything less than four is not a set in the first place

[robust walrus]

that ruins build potential

[frozen meadow]

k

Nobody has problems with firecrest

[robust walrus]

an entire 4 piece gearset for ONE skill

come on

[frozen meadow]

Or the other one

[robust walrus]

if it was the hunter hack

[full zinc]

Eh they should just untether the turret but not untether the immunity... can use it If you want but....might 💀 if you get in the way

[robust walrus]

then ya

[frozen meadow]

D3-FNC nobody complained about

[twilit stag]

EP Foam doesnt bring much more than CC if used with Foam, i still think Amp damage beats it, OD doesnt seem too crazy neither compared to literal Amp damage for everyone, and RED FI is 25% damage wich i guess its ok but wasted repair skill bonuses because you're not really doing a lot of healing anyways

[kind veldt]

once again
Is exuro pure trash? no
Is EP better? yes
Should exuro get buffed? yes

[frozen meadow]

For one thing to become "good" it takes another thing to become "bad"

That's how balancing works

Or moreso how it can't

[robust walrus]

no

lol

you don't just take a piece of meat, cut out the fat and discard it

that's wasteful

[frozen meadow]

That doesn't make sense

[full zinc]

Od rounds are amp damage.

[robust walrus]

you don't make sense

[jagged prism]

isn't this what you're arguing about with exuro gearset?

[frozen meadow]

How

[robust walrus]

that's black and white thinking

[frozen meadow]

Explain how I'm not making sense and I'll elaborate

[robust walrus]

it's either this or that

I'm saying for them to add something new

[frozen meadow]

I mean with meta that's literally true

[robust walrus]

other than melee weapons

[frozen meadow]

There is always a BIS for any given situation

[robust walrus]

which should be in the game

[twilit stag]

but they only proc on kill instead than on Hit

[frozen meadow]

It's not possible for there to be more than one BIS

[robust walrus]

care to voice chat with me?

[frozen meadow]

Can't sorry

[robust walrus]

guess we'll never know

[jagged prism]

it's a trap Champion if you voice chat with them ;p

[robust walrus]

lol

[frozen meadow]

How

[rich shadow]

EP foam & FI are the 2 best support builds hands down

[robust walrus]

Alright let's shift

[full zinc]

Anyones kill on a marked npc. It's basically the definition of a support build in it's current form

[robust walrus]

Melee weapons?

[frozen meadow]

lady death is technically a melee weapon

[robust walrus]

lol

that statement is death

[jagged prism]

considering they've been arguing about turning exuro into a 2 pc gearset, it's a trap because they're prepared to die on that hill

[frozen meadow]

I think a sidearm that's just a knife would be cool

[robust walrus]

Ortiz not Exuro

[frozen meadow]

Same thing

Lmao

[twilit stag]

idk, in any game i feel like "on Kill" effects kinda suck because then you run into something very tanky without anything to kill around you so is a big L

[frozen meadow]

It's called Ortiz exuro

[robust walrus]

just give us the hunter axe already

[jagged prism]

well, we get ortiz from exuro so what's the difference and where's the misinformation?

[robust walrus]

You are correct my bad

[frozen meadow]

Don't say misinfo without actually double checking that, just some life advice

You'll end up in some shit places trying to back something up confidently to then being explicitly proven wrong :/

[robust walrus]

don't say lady death is a melee weapon without double checking or being a hypocrite?

[frozen meadow]

I mean it's a weapon with +1000% melee damage

So it technically does constitute as a melee weapon

[robust walrus]

it fires a round

it's sole purpose isn't physically using the frame

[frozen meadow]

Doesn't make it less a weapon lol

[robust walrus]

melee weapon

don't half ass your way around lol

[jagged prism]

so bloody knuckles?

[frozen meadow]

According to your logic bloody knuckles is a weapon

🤔

[jagged prism]

it's an exotic gear piece but it increases melee damage

[robust walrus]

no damage stats

so it's not a weapon

[jagged prism]

or you talking about sweet dreams to insta kill reds and purples?

[main raven]

my acostas pee bag is also a weapon in fact

[robust walrus]

just sayinf

[kind veldt]

i believe he wants a new category of weapons purely for using as melee

[robust walrus]

saying*

[robust walrus]

who wouldnt?

[frozen meadow]

Nobody would use.it even if it were added

[main raven]

I would

[robust walrus]

you speak for everyone?

[main raven]

Gimme melee weapons

[jagged prism]

that's what i was figuring but meleeing sucks from an agents stand point anyways

[kind veldt]

i mean same for you, do you speak for everyone?

[robust walrus]

you would have to balance how melee works

[main raven]

did you know meleeing stops enemies from meleeing you?

[frozen meadow]

Considering how much I've done in, with, and for the community, yes lol

[robust walrus]

na

[twilit stag]

A knife to parry melee attackers, like RE4 c:

[frozen meadow]

Bruh

[robust walrus]

knife could be cool

[jagged prism]

does melee stop the suicide guys from exploding on you?

[full zinc]

Speaks for the dev team* 😅

[frozen meadow]

Mate just straight up said "Nuh uh"

[robust walrus]

lol you would die

[main raven]

lmao

[kind veldt]

i just want to point out that i started saying that people can say what they want but good luck getting everyone to agree with you

[robust walrus]

everyone doesn't need to agree

[jagged prism]

from div 1 agent meleeing always sucked

[robust walrus]

though some are saying melee weapons would be a good idea

[frozen meadow]

There's always that one person

[kind veldt]

yeah but so far it appears to have 0 people agreeing with 2 piece gear sets

gear sets and melees are different things

[frozen meadow]

By the power invested in me by myself

No

[kind veldt]

man a long ass time ago i did say we should get different melee effects for each spec

[robust walrus]

you can let half a dozen people in here actively replying my response be the sample to represent lol

you cant*

[jagged prism]

then it's ridiculous they go "hey everyone these things gives a good amount of meleeing power" i've tried them and feel no different meleeing things without them on

[frozen meadow]

Better sample size than your argument (1)

[robust walrus]

Melee weapons couldn't be 1 shot

[kind veldt]

i mean in the end of the day the devs decide whatever gets into the game (no this is not a joke towards eevee)

[robust walrus]

would be broken

[frozen meadow]

Melee weapons cannot be balanced. Period

[twilit stag]

I mean if our agents are supposed to be the peak experts in all forms of combat Known to man, Pretty Much Batman, i would assume they're as deadly in Melee as they are at range

[kind veldt]

melee would need to be higher in the "risk reward" balance over a shotgun

[robust walrus]

using a melee has a set damage percentage, can be used to counter npc melee, and had a cooldown

[twilit stag]

the crap agents can pull, you cant tell is all because of their magic Watch come on

[robust walrus]

how could that not be balanced?

[frozen meadow]

Not possible because of tank builds

[jagged prism]

well considering what i think these agents should be yeah some military training background, should equal they can deal some good amount of melee damage in general

[kind veldt]

and shotguns are pretty risk reward due range limitations, and sweet dreams does point out flaws that if you have one shot melee you can still get stuck bad situations

[full zinc]

I wonder how many hits a chunga can take before they start getting a headache🤔

[frozen meadow]

Let's teach them karate while we're at it

[robust walrus]

players can choose either to parry an npc melee or attack

[kind veldt]

i do think our melees should have a respectable push back against most enemies but some small cooldown like 5 secs

[robust walrus]

why not?

[frozen meadow]

Thats adding something into the game that would require a large infrastructure change

[robust walrus]

is someone gets close I should be able to be like "back off"

[kind veldt]

we dark souls and stamina bars now?

[jagged prism]

depending when it happens could also intruduce a crap ton of bugs

[robust walrus]

Heartlandd

[kind veldt]

shotguns/sweet dreams

[frozen meadow]

Yeah y'all need to remember this is a looter shooter

[robust walrus]

Heartland*

[kind veldt]

yeah it works there because it's a different game with different rules

kinda like crouching and going prone

[robust walrus]

You're telling me it's that different?

[frozen meadow]

Very

[jagged prism]

you do the melee back off and they go through a wall during it and now you can't finish said event

[robust walrus]

lol

[frozen meadow]

It's a completely different genre

[kind veldt]

heartlands is a very different game

[robust walrus]

You're saying Division 2 is not a looter shooter?

[frozen meadow]

I'm saying HL isn't

[robust walrus]

You're saying HL isnt

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[jagged prism]

different platform too isn't it?

[robust walrus]

correct?

lol

[frozen meadow]

I'm saying HL isn't a looter shooter

[kind veldt]

HL is an extraction shooter as the kids call it these days

[frozen meadow]

when you can't win an argument so resort to laughing

[twilit stag]

wait HL is not a Looter shooter? 🥹 I guess i have to wait until Div3 for a real Division Game

[frozen meadow]

Lol yeah it's a spin-off

F2P too

[robust walrus]

when the narcissist thinks you're arguing lol

[frozen meadow]

What

[jagged prism]

if they put Heartlands on PC there'd be so many hackers in it

[frozen meadow]

How have I been narcissistic?

[twilit stag]

where is the rumored location for Div3?

[frozen meadow]

There is literally no proof it'll even launch

[jagged prism]

no clue, about all we got is "we're going to be making division 3"

[frozen meadow]

There's no location lmao

[twilit stag]

oh i thought i heard somethign about where it may be xD

[frozen meadow]

Not even that

We've been told that they'll get a team together after outlaws to work on it

[jagged prism]

about only location mentioned "going back to brooklyn" but that's division 2 DLC

[frozen meadow]

You might be mistaking it for the dlc

[twilit stag]

ohh yeah probably the dlc then

[frozen meadow]

Yea

I still want a grand finale raid

Just some mission that requires actual skill

Shit I had some good idea for a fight last night now I forgot

[jagged prism]

believe me, i laughed and facepalmed when there was a "division 3" mention honestly

[frozen meadow]

OH KY GOD I JUST REMEMBERED

HEAR ME OUT HEAR ME OUT

[twilit stag]

what if the DLC introduce weapon sets o: i think Div1 had that right? a pistol and AR that complemented each other

[frozen meadow]

So you go into the boss room right

[robust walrus]

you say actual skill but it has been a mission that is obtainable by the average player otherwise its not deemed accessible or player friendly

[kind veldt]

div1 had 3 that i remember

[frozen meadow]

Okay so

[kind veldt]

pistol and AR
2 MMR
2 SMGs

[robust walrus]

they want players to play not just the elites

[frozen meadow]

The boss is like welcome n shit

Then you gun him down mid speech cuz you can

And then he runs off

[robust walrus]

what are you on about? lol

[frozen meadow]

And fuckin like

[jagged prism]

so lexington?

[frozen meadow]

The boss swaps loadouts to a tank

[robust walrus]

pretty much like incursion matchmaking

[frozen meadow]

After you damage him as a tank

He goes back and swaps loadouts to a healer

See what I'm getting at

[robust walrus]

so a multi role boss?

[mighty shell]

Is it me or is the manhunt showing less % ?

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[robust walrus]

sounds like a hunter

[kind veldt]

so the plin plin plon man from dark souls 3

[frozen meadow]

Like this.mission I made

[mighty shell]

It shows 41% for me, but both are showing "rescued".

[frozen meadow]

The hunter raid that I've designed

[robust walrus]

we need a hunter raid

oh really?

[frozen meadow]

Dredgen I've been making one

[robust walrus]

really?

[frozen meadow]

Yeah operation grand finale

[robust walrus]

where at?

[frozen meadow]

But like it's brutal as all living hell

[frozen meadow]

Langley AFB

My idea is just this ridiculously complex and convoluted hellhole

That incorporates every slight mechanic in the whole game

So that's an 8 player mission with a timer and no checkpoints

[kind veldt]

including the steamed hams?

[frozen meadow]

I'm gonna ignore that

[frozen meadow]

• a brand new stealth mechanic

[kind veldt]

i just say that because steam is like used 3 times in the entire game

[frozen meadow]

There's no objective in the mission you have to figure out what to do and where to go

And there will be false setups where you think you're going to the right place but then just get wiped

[robust walrus]

sounds like Destiny

[twilit stag]

Ok but make the exotic at the end be worth my time and tears 🗿 💀

[frozen meadow]

Old sweet dreams

[kind veldt]

make it semi auto

[frozen meadow]

Nah the exotic will have a 100% drop rate because the mission will only be clearable by like 10 groups within half a year of release

Due to intense difficulty

[twilit stag]

you understimate the power of no lifers

[frozen meadow]

But the loot drop rate is like 50 items per boss

[frozen meadow]

I think you underestimate my ability to design fights

One of the bosses I designed basically incorporates everything in dark hours into one room

[robust walrus]

yea but the studio wants people talking about the raid and folks clearing it. There has to be a certain level to be obtainable.

[frozen meadow]

Where you have to literally take out an entire razorback development complex

[frozen meadow]

That's why I said 50 items per boss kill

[robust walrus]

Only having like 10 groups clear in half a year..like if you wanted it to be a harder difficulty for more rewards then hell ya.

50 items?!

[frozen meadow]

That's fair I'd say

[robust walrus]

ah the infamous Borderlands lootplosion

[frozen meadow]

Per day*

So farming is a no no

All enemies are at minimum legendary difficulty

Some just outright immune

[robust walrus]

a Legendary raid could interesting

[frozen meadow]

Nah worse than that mate

Oh also

[twilit stag]

make it a 24 Man raid 🙏

[frozen meadow]

Once you kill your target (McManus) you have to get out and still survive

[robust walrus]

16 minimum

[frozen meadow]

Then when you call in for extraction the heli gets shot down

So you need to hijack a hovercraft

[robust walrus]

I'm wondering is McManus is just a puppet

small sect of hunters

[frozen meadow]

But the hovercraft is populated so one person has to control the hovercraft while being bombarded by on-board hunters

And being chased by helis, artillery, and other boats

[jagged prism]

🤔 a razor back that can hack agent skills would be an interesting concept ;p

[robust walrus]

that's a horrifying idea

[frozen meadow]

Shit forgot to mention

A jammer is constantly on throughout the entire damn raid

[robust walrus]

I do agree suppression based bosses would be challenging

[frozen meadow]

Already designed one don't worry

Meep merp

It's a medic/sniper pair, the sniper having an auto and the medic reviving it whenever you kill it

[robust walrus]

Adding in melee weapons I think is a good way to bring players back but also a good selling point for the dlc.

[frozen meadow]

So yeah I kinda uhh

[twilit stag]

Katanas? 🙏

[frozen meadow]

Made a mission almost impossible to beat

[robust walrus]

wouldn't that be fun?

you could have a zombie pvp gamemode

[frozen meadow]

Y'know what would also be nice

[robust walrus]

just melee weapons lol

[frozen meadow]

An incursion to even get to the final raid

Just the entry to the raid is an incursion

So you can't even unlock it without beating multiple hellhole bosses

[twilit stag]

Give me MGR Raiden in Div2

[frozen meadow]

Have I scared any of you yet

[twilit stag]

I want to extract a warhound core and crush with my bare hand 😂

[frozen meadow]

Imagine they genuinely implement this mission into the game

[robust walrus]

Remember Kajika?

running at you with the axe?

[frozen meadow]

He was a baby hunter

[robust walrus]

thinking maybe Keeners old gang with all Hunter Candidates..

[frozen meadow]

Hunter wannabe

[robust walrus]

were all*

[frozen meadow]

Doubt it

[robust walrus]

Melee weapons could just be a way to add in a stun feature

or mild cc

[twilit stag]

i wonder if at some point in the story we will do the predictable "oh we were the bad guys all along so lets go rogue instead"

[kind veldt]

dragov was the only heavy with armor bars?

[frozen meadow]

Was I blocked

[robust walrus]

I loved the music in that fight

[frozen meadow]

Did I get blocked

[kind veldt]

with breakable armor pieces AND armor bar?

well you are posting about being blocked

[main raven]

blocked

[kind veldt]

so going to guess you forgot 5s slow mode existed

[frozen meadow]

I meant by dred

[kind veldt]

dunno

[frozen meadow]

Foxes don't block other foxes >:c

[robust walrus]

huh?

no

[kind veldt]

am i being detained is just playing on my head

[main raven]

ma'am i would never block you simply because youre foxing like me

[frozen meadow]

Yay

[robust walrus]

I responding to other ppl lol

[quasi verge]

Do you guys max out your gear score before moving to the next world tier or just get to the next tier as quickly as you can?

[robust walrus]

I was*

[robust walrus]

move as quickly as possible

[main raven]

I always move asap and just pray i get something with headhunter on it

cause then i can just one shot anything over and over

[robust walrus]

that's why I love countdown

gosh the loot in that is awesome

also funny to watch others get axed in the face

[kind veldt]

Moved asap

[main raven]

MOVE ASAP

[twilit stag]

Countdown is truly great, target loot, plus quite fast exotic caches, back in my days it was summit over and over

[robust walrus]

same

[twilit stag]

idk how many times i did summit 1-100, very least 60 times

[main raven]

back in my day Lady Death only dropped from world bosses that spawned once every 30 minutes

[robust walrus]

I was there

[main raven]

at a WHOPPING 3% rate

[robust walrus]

lol

what a grind

[main raven]

also back in that day people were getting banned for damage glitches

[twilit stag]

oof

[robust walrus]

I remember ppl ripping into each in the dz for pestilence lol

each other*

[lone valve]

I remember fucking grinding NYC for it

Back when it was good as hell

[twilit stag]

also in all the times i cleared Summit i never got Bighorn, so that's a big yikes

i always did the last 10 floors in legendary

[main raven]

i farmed dua for the bighorn

[robust walrus]

same

[main raven]

its the fastest one to do

[robust walrus]

yep

[kind veldt]

Yeah dua is fast

[main raven]

but also has the funny garage where all the wipes happen

[robust walrus]

lol

[main raven]

that garage is incredibly funny

[robust walrus]

it is

[lone valve]

When the garage is harder than the final boss 😭

[robust walrus]

tight spaces scare folks

[lone valve]

The boss is a snore tbh

[quasi verge]

Thank you all.

[robust walrus]

You're welcome

[robust walrus]

Melee weapons

[kind veldt]

A melee gear set would work better

Since oddball mechanics can go there

[real creek]

Knock chain off, cc keeps him stunned and he never gets it back on lol.

[lone valve]

Have more fun doing Roosevelt last section than DUA
Obviously tidal and zoo are far superior aswell

And Capitol is whatever
Think most of matchmaking strat on it is hide on that tent at the end section with a healer

[kind veldt]

Well did roosevelt twice

[real creek]

Start area is easier imo

[kind veldt]

One when you could cheese the final boss

And one you couldnt

[sour void]

Outside of White Tusk being present in Legendary Strongholds, are there any other things that make them stand out? Unique bosses or encounters?

[kind veldt]

summit

and well all their bosses are unique

unique weakpoints, exclusive gimmick to damage them or arena changes

still refuse to do capitol again from the early days trauma

[jagged prism]

think DUA has the only boss where you can't be near them but you need to hit there backpack to get rid of whatever heals them and emps us before you can do damage to the actual boss?

what was the roosevelt legendary boss?

[kind veldt]

DUA has the heartbeat pulse that kills everyone close, capitol has the super healing boxes with huge AOE zones, roosevelt has drone supporting them, tidal has turret and zoo has the boss that is immune until you break some weakpoint also?

i keep forgetting the name of the giant helicopter drones

[jagged prism]

oh right keep forgetting they made zoo a stronghold

[lone valve]

Zoo is the one with the deflector shields

[jagged prism]

Aerial Recon Drone?

[frozen meadow]

Aerial recon fox

[kind veldt]

aerial recon horse

[frozen meadow]

Minigun chungy with le red emp

[kind veldt]

heartbeat pulse

[frozen meadow]

They can't deflect if my gun phases through their armour 😎

[lone valve]

I already avoid those so I won't shoot at the cute flying fox

[frozen meadow]

Yay

[kind veldt]

marauders

[jagged prism]

there we go

[kind veldt]

maverick was all that i could remember but htey are not megaman bosses

[frozen meadow]

Marauder class foxcopter detected

(Dm me for a foxcopter)

[sour void]

likely the only boss that can be effectively damaged by the P-017 Launcher

[frozen meadow]

😭

[lone valve]

The p in P 017 stands for peas
As in it's a peashooter

[main raven]

dude its been crazy to use the emp sticky since i learned quick firing it lands exactly middle of your screen

[sour void]

My kingdom for missiles that fly straight instead of loop-de-looping vaguely on target.

[frozen meadow]

Don't check your dms

[kind veldt]

EMP sticky or shrapnel trap as best skill they released?

[jagged prism]

wait until hackers finds a way to increase that radius ;p

[sour void]

The damage wasn't exactly my main concern, since you can carry a dozen missiles total, it's just that the accuracy for a smart guided missile sucks

[lone valve]

Both unironically are or were pretty good in both pve and pvp

[jagged prism]

wasn't shrapnel OP in pvp?

[kind veldt]

it was

[sour void]

Shrapnel Trap. Versatile for area denial or focused destruction in PVE

[kind veldt]

damage was nuts and tier 0 one shot tanks builds i think

[lone valve]

Yea that's why I said was
Shrapnel
Sticky is still very much used in pvp

[sour void]

I get killed by Explosive Seeker Mines more.

[kind veldt]

good to know you people have good taste for traps

[lone valve]

Lmaoooooo

[jagged prism]

eh, only use in PvE i found were to soften them rushers, beyond that they weren't anything i went to for much anything else

[main raven]

thank you for the blessing 🙏

[sour void]

Repair Trap would have been perfect if it deployed in a circle rather than a line.

[frozen meadow]

Your welcome

[lone valve]

I think in pve I've used the shock trap more than Shrapnel

[frozen meadow]

Hear me out

Incendiary trap with napalm effect

[jagged prism]

or followed the random deployment everything else is deployed

[kind veldt]

nah, i think we should have incendiary hive instead

[lone valve]

That's horrible in pvp
Holy delete it

[sour void]

I remember dropping these beauties on a tank's feet and watching it shred it like a pissed off piranha.

[frozen meadow]

:3

[kind veldt]

doesnt immediatly explode you have to shoot the person with a gun to detonate it, the more you let it stack the bigger the bang

and well fire duration and damage

[lone valve]

A napalm trap that does absurd amount of fire damage and sticks you in place

[jagged prism]

i could get behind that

[sour void]

Trap mine but releases disorienting Firestarter clouds

[lone valve]

A OXY TRAP

[sour void]

Also Iron Horse Lockdown Mines.

[lone valve]

hire me massive

[kind veldt]

oxy seeker mine that acts like healing mine it just follows the enemy around deploying oxidizer gas

[jagged prism]

i do miss the gas seeker from div 1

[lone valve]

I barely remember using the gas seeker lmao

[sour void]

Hive with poison payloads.

[lone valve]

I forgot it existed till now

[main raven]

i just learned the emp sticky can detonate gas tanks and fuel tanks

that way i dont lose my hotshot bonuses

[sour void]

Haven't gotten that far yet in D1 ;_;

[main raven]

major discovery im telling you

[kind veldt]

gas seeker was alright

[sour void]

I would also like the mobile cover and smart cover rolled into one.

[jagged prism]

but i so miss the smart cover the most though

[kind veldt]

but cooldown was kinda long compared to just using flasbang sticky

[lone valve]

Always found it kinda stupid that if I want to throw out my decoy mid fight with hotshot stacks I lose them completely

[sour void]

Like the Riker shield turret sans gun

[lone valve]

It was eitheir the smart cover or mobile cover that at one point was so busted that it gave you insane amount of damage resilience even when you left it's cover

[kind veldt]

shield gear set that creates a heavier variant that you can plant in the ground

[sour void]

Make it a revision of the D3-FNC set.

[kind veldt]

smart cover, mobile cover let you glitch out of bounds and cheese stuff like falcon lost day 1

[main raven]

this just in, determined also procs on deer in the open

[lone valve]

Yea

YOU SHOT A DEER?!!!? 😭

[jagged prism]

i remember finding out about that and trying it as i was thinking it was some kind of made up video

[sour void]

Also, make a safer version of the Ironclad Chem Launcher that Gray used in Iron Horse

Gives bonus armor instead

[main raven]

my inner fox told me to

[lone valve]

OK that's fair

[unkempt arch]

Hey everyone. I’m sure you guys may see this question often, but is it worth starting TD2 these days?

[frozen meadow]

Yes

[kind veldt]

quickly got patched out in emergency maintanance i think

[lone valve]

Not a better time tbh

[jagged prism]

now taht most of the crashing been semi fixed

[lone valve]

Game is the most alive it's been since 2020

[sour void]

It's a good time. I think.

[kind veldt]

and they also disabled the falcon lost APC taking damage from explosives such as skills that people would use it to cheese it

[jagged prism]

if you asked 3-4 seasons i'd say save your money XD

[unkempt arch]

I wanna dive into it.

Haha!

[jagged prism]

XD

[sour void]

Given that they implemented Manhunt Replays, I'd say you're good to go.

[jagged prism]

we need the tactician gearset in div 2 (> <)

[kind veldt]

just use rigger lmao

[frozen meadow]

We need the raid I've been designing

[sour void]

We need nearly all gear sets in Div 1 back in some form

[unkempt arch]

Have they spoke on TD3 possibly being made or a timeline?

[frozen meadow]

No

[lone valve]

Yes they have talked kinda

But it's far away

[frozen meadow]

They said they'll get a team after outlaws that's literally it

[lone valve]

I wouldn't worry about it

[jagged prism]

Eevee Dev is on the lines it can never be made as things can happen

[kind veldt]

"we might do that later" kinda of scenario

[sour void]

Also they need to make the TEC-9/SMG-9 a secondary.

[frozen meadow]

Not happening until proven otherwise

[unkempt arch]

Okay then I’ll have plenty of time to grind 😄

[frozen meadow]

Source: GTA VI

[kind veldt]

just add the glock 18 that i know you have in the code you cowards

[lone valve]

"Give us more money and buy 10 copies of the Brooklyn dlc and then we will consider it maybe"

[sour void]

Hnnnnnng

I want that too along with a named variant with Overflowing

[jagged prism]

i'd kill for a div 2 alphabridge set

[sour void]

Or maybe a revised Banshee set with blind enemies on kill perk

[kind veldt]

just make tips be alphabridge

it sucks now

[kind veldt]

your are the first person i found in hte internet to ever mention the old BLIND gear set

[jagged prism]

all i remember of banshee was PvP set

[sour void]

I miss TOTS. Should have given double Signature ammo cap and +25% overall damage after killing an enemy with a Signature weapon

[kind veldt]

banshee was a reworked gear set, the previous version was called BLIND and it was considered the worst one

so it was reworked into a DZ based gear set

[sour void]

@kind veldt @jagged prism I read about it, and I think it's prime for a resurgence

[kind veldt]

current tots has too many issues to even work

[lone valve]

Which one the non classified I assume
Unless you want rotating specialisations

[sour void]

Make it like Hunter's fury where hitting targets not focused on you gets a mark, and enemies killed with the mark spread blind and Disrupt.

[frozen meadow]

That just sounds like sacrum imperium

[sour void]

At this point I'd be happy with a revert.

[kind veldt]

would say to mix it with sentry, buff Rifles and Pistols, headshots tag enemies with debuffs, hitting them enough time blinds all targerts and blinded targets get guaranteed crits on headshots

[frozen meadow]

I think the Nerf was necessary

[lone valve]

You think they are reverting it lmao they are full of pride they won't

[sour void]

You don't have to focus enemies for 1 second or get a headshot kill though.

[frozen meadow]

The only good thing about sacrum imperium was that you could burn teammates

[sour void]

Lul

[kind veldt]

i mean sentry would be great for rifles that are now a thing

[sour void]

Speaking of sentries...

Shotgun sentry.

[kind veldt]

awkward range no?

[sour void]

Max 15m at tier 6, 25m on overcharge.

[lone valve]

We are lacking a dedicated rifle set tbh

[sour void]

Maybe Hunter's Faith can close that gap?

[neon wyvern]

Hunters who

[jagged prism]

div 1 gear set

[kind veldt]

hunters faith was made for bolt action

we already hotshot and aces for MMR

[neon wyvern]

we got negotiators

[sour void]

I read. I was hoping it could be reworked for rifles.

[jagged prism]

now that i think about it, div 1 had nothing for rifles either did they?

[kind veldt]

well rifles didnt exist in div1

it was all snipers or automatics

[neon wyvern]

💀

[sour void]

Not that I recall, since MMRs were rifles

[kind veldt]

and closest we had was deadeye for the playstyle

[lone valve]

Rifles did not exist in div 1

[unique summit]

my socom m1a in div1 begs to differ

oh wait that was a marksman rifle

[kind veldt]

yeah

[unique summit]

wow i completely forgot lol

it was pretty fast firing tho

[kind veldt]

the odd ball was Urban MDR that was an semi auto exotic AR

still it was in the AR category

[neon wyvern]

ok but is it really an ar

[kind veldt]

it was in hte AR category but itwas the only semi auto AR in that game

[lone valve]

Throwback to when some exotics had just regular ass names 😭

[neon wyvern]

it's like chameleon trying to disguise as an AR

This time it's doctor home

[kind veldt]

jokes on you the original name was BLIND rifle

[sour void]

I noticed that the FAMAS 2010 was the Bullfrog back in D1.

[kind veldt]

cause it was going to be a weird proto exotic/gear set weapon

well that one was because of alphabridge PVP fiasco

so to fix that they made it an exotic

to it went form regular high end to being exotic

[sour void]

What I love about exotics in D1 is that you can use custom attachments on them, instead of having to work with set attachments.

[kind veldt]

i mean if we could mod their attachments

[jagged prism]

and you can even equip 3 of them?

[sour void]

Depending on the exotic, yes.

[kind veldt]

we would just be doing the whole extended mags crit min maxing we are doing now again

no restrictions to exotics in div1, for both armor and weapons

[sour void]

I remember when extended mags gave 100% or more extra capacity

[molten spire]

for most of them you'd still mod into crit chance, which again leads back into how the newer exotics are either really bad (Sacrum) or have stat sticks for crit chance and damage (St Elmo's, Ouroburos)

[kind veldt]

i think it was capped at 126%

[jagged prism]

wasn't there an accommidation for wearing all exotics in div 1?

[kind veldt]

possibly

[lone valve]

Yes

[sour void]

I'd just like to stick that on something like an exotic GR9 or other high cap LMG and fly off the handle with it

[kind veldt]

lets be honest people would just shove extended mags at big horn and lady death the moment they could

[neon wyvern]

Bighorn should have 50 mag

[jagged prism]

so true

[sour void]

Wasn't there also an attachment that boosted fire rate?

[kind veldt]

that much i cant remember

[molten spire]

+20 mag still working with the Breathe Free talent would be urgh

[jagged prism]

think magazine?

[sour void]

Because if so, that plus Ouroboros equals brrrrt

[kind veldt]

i mena you would be sacrificing the extended mag then

[molten spire]

One LMG belt increases rate of fire, I think for others there's maybe the weapon handling sight

[kind veldt]

so no 60 rounds possibly

[sour void]

I know. Just thinking about the possibilities

But imagine 126% extended mags on GR9 with Frenzy

[kind veldt]

welp that triggered something despite me fixing

[sour void]

how the barrel doesn't melt into an iron ingot is a mystery

[kind veldt]

anyhow i dislike how really bad blanaced the weapon mods are

it's extended magazines or go home

[sour void]

True

[kind veldt]

so game is balanced around extended magazine DPS so enemies feel spongy by default

so all new exotics from the new team have giant magazines

[jagged prism]

i played div 1 to partake in the GE to get my last 2 pieces of D3fens3, gotten the hungry hog LMG 2 times so far i can remember and was thinking. don't we have an lmg talent that on kill we get full magazine and thought Hungry Hog + alpha bridge + 2nd lmg with some kind of reloading could make hungry hog strong?

[kind veldt]

so they feel OP and we are stuck in a loop of making content for people using giant extended magazines

i think we had an % chance of reloading the gun on kill as some weapon talent on div1 but i dont remember

[sour void]

Meanwhile the Bullet King lays forgotten

[molten spire]

Because BK has pretty bad per shot damage

[jagged prism]

neither do i, just figured there was something

[kind veldt]

that one got gimped because it does that, but a bit too much

[molten spire]

so it's a noob trap really

[sour void]

I know. I just wished the mag boosted it's fire rate to, oh, I dunno, 1500 RPM?

[kind veldt]

i remember on stream they saying that with striker it would be the strongest sustained DPS of the game

[sour void]

Gimme a swarm of angry brass bees

[frozen meadow]

1500rpm would be wack

[molten spire]

also didn't Alphabridge get changed to not include exotic talents, or did that come back with classified Alphabridge?

[jagged prism]

don't think it ever took on exotic talents, but you can use exotic weapons with highend talents

[kind veldt]

it got changed to only get the last 3rd talent of a weapon, it already didnt take exotic talents thats why they made FAMAS an exotic

so you would get 4 talents per weapon and not need the requirments for each talent

i think someone mentioned classified alphabridge

[molten spire]

yes that would be me

[kind veldt]

they could make it so it would give you one extra core for each kill in this game and rotate between them

so rotate between, damage, armor and skill tier

i mena that is just memento in a way

[wintry wraith]

Happy halloween yallll

[jagged prism]

i think the rotating spec would've been an interesting take

[kind veldt]

oh

oooooooooh

you just gave me an idea

granade gear set that gives you access to ALL the granades

[jagged prism]

a "wayne's world SCHWING!" idea?

[kind veldt]

and of course buffs them in general also

[sand herald]

Yep i got a happy halloween gift from a double barral shotgun to the face from the DZ checkpoint by someone at the extraction point 😄

[kind veldt]

people still use double barrel shotgun in DZ after so many nerfs?

[jagged prism]

i'd love one that took on the cluster but did all grenades at once kind of thing XD

[whole hull]

Listen it's not about how good it is

[lone valve]

It's about the message it sends

[whole hull]

It's about the good times and the principle

[kind veldt]

i mean it's the DZ, it's always about how good it is in there

[whole hull]

No it isn't

[sand herald]

Doesn't really matter how nerfed it is, if your wallhacking and aimbotting 😄

[jagged prism]

reread the sentence (> <)

person in checkpoint killing people at an extraction point = impossible without hacking XD

[sand herald]

DZ is bloody terrible today lol

[jagged prism]

there's a youtuber that posts "undected hack division 2" daily so they're probably using that

[sand herald]

-_-

[jagged prism]

imagine how powerful a sledgehammer talent would become using that kind of set?

[sand herald]

Am suprised the Eazy Anti cheat can detect its even loading these days

[whole hull]

I just slip an air tag in the agents backpack and call in a airstrike

[sour void]

I was rethinking on how BK can be reworked:
Every stack added per hit increases rate of fire by 1%.
On 100 stacks, consume them to add 100 rounds to reserve and grant a 100% RoF buff for 10 seconds that can be refreshed.

Magazine offers a 10% fire rate bonus, and third stat now increases rate of fire too (up to 12.5%)

[kind veldt]

easy anti cheat causes issues my PC

rof bonus and reload on kill gimmick are already chatterbox deal

[sour void]

Hmm...

[sand herald]

Gimme pre warlords chatterbox back

😄

[whole hull]

Sounds like burger king getting buffed

[kind veldt]

not against a ramp up from firing

[sour void]

Hell yea

[kind veldt]

since as people mentioned that was older chatterbox that i think it was better

[glacial cosmos]

is lfg dead?

[jagged prism]

i'll have to relook what holstered merciless did again. wasn't that pretty strong too?

[jagged prism]

depends

[whole hull]

When can I expect to see these changes

[glacial cosmos]

dang ight

[kind veldt]

it was something like 5% or 20% chance for the shot to extra explosive damage

[sour void]

April 1st 2042.

[jagged prism]

i was thinking the explosive bullets bit

[kind veldt]

so it was just a free DPS boost

[whole hull]

Sadly I will not be here for that

[sour void]

Rip

Also I miss D2 weapons having minor talents.

[jagged prism]

think a good majority is in the "incursion" thing since it's still newish or some are still seeking out the exotic smg there still

[whole hull]

I wanna go play it more

[glacial cosmos]

ah, gonna be truff to find people for pentco then

[sour void]

Feel like weapons should have a main talent plus up to three sub talents like Critical or Precise depending on rarity

[kind veldt]

as a person that likes niche weirdo builds

[jagged prism]

pentco as in countdown?

[kind veldt]

ouroboros is strong boring kind

[glacial cosmos]

find captian lews and kill general anderson one

[whole hull]

I'm not a fan of the gun personally

[sour void]

I feel you. It just feels like a mini minigun

[kind veldt]

RIP old idea of adding holstered talents and older gear talents in specs that you could pick on choose wit ha limit

[jagged prism]

oh yeah, definitely hard to find people to want to run it

most are already done it and don't want to go back

[sour void]

Imagine Ouroboros having a holstered talent that buffs fire rate

Stacks up to 25 times

[kind veldt]

well only for gunner

survivalist would get stop drop and roll type of stuff

[jagged prism]

fire rate buffing was chatter box so no

[kind veldt]

and so on

[kind veldt]

think he means allegro

[jagged prism]

best case would be us getting status effect and our bullets doing so

ah i misread it nm

[kind veldt]

stuff like allegro, the one for the named KSG shotgun that doubles the range and so on

were all old holstered talents i think

or secondary talents?

[sour void]

Definitely secondary talents

[jagged prism]

i wish they'd give us another server where we can play gear 1.0 with all these newer things (> <)

[kind veldt]

first talent was an active one
second was a stat buff
third was holstered?

[glacial cosmos]

figured. thx 🙂

[jagged prism]

GR9 with holstered merciless could be amusing no?

or even holster chatterbox

[kind veldt]

Merciless holstered was less interesting than you think

[jagged prism]

yeah, kind of figured

[oak prawn]

Happy Halloween to those who celebrate it

[kind veldt]

Explosive ammo did have its use on killing robo dogs and few others

Honestly think they should bring back explosive ammo for OD back

Help against people using shields such as hyenas robo dogs

[molten spire]

oh, in that sense, not like how the current explosive ammo you get from boxes also bleeds people

[kind veldt]

Well it also bleeds people

Explosive ammo dealt 20% of you damage as explosive damage in a very tiny aoe and dealt bleed damage

So you would see yellow and white numbers overlapping

[tender valley]

Hello guys! Can any1 tell me that PC freezes still exist or its patched now? Thank you

[kind veldt]

Mine stopped long ago and it was related to forgetting a controller pluged in

[frozen meadow]

I mean is it ever truly patched

[jagged prism]

hard to say honestly. but since i came back i don't have much crashing issues as i did last time i played

[tender valley]

oh nice thanks gona give a try than thanks

[lone valve]

They seem to have done smth these past 2 seasons with the crashing

Instead of crashing sometimes ur game just freezes for a second and comes back

[jagged prism]

during the faye lau and anderson manhunts it was players DDOSing the servers with a exp glitch

[eternal sky]

Hello is anyone playing division 2 on the Xbox right now

[lone valve]

I stopped playing then
I was doing manning legendary by then and since it was a off site activity it was laggy and horribly

[lone valve]

#lfg-xbox is ur best bet

[jagged prism]

your main question should be anyone with xbox service playing division 2. sounds like one can play division 2 but no Multiplayer access

[eternal sky]

I know but I have issue with my game

[jagged prism]

ah, so you need more tech support?

[eternal sky]

Yes

[jagged prism]

maybe #unofficial-troubleshooting ?

[frozen meadow]

okay AINT NO WAY THE RECRUITER AINT JOHNSON

[jagged prism]

it's what's his face in Haven XD

[oak prawn]

What if the recruiter turns out to be someone we know but we wouldn't expect

[jagged prism]

kelso?

[oak prawn]

No

[frozen meadow]

like agent johnson?

[frozen meadow]

rhodes?

[jagged prism]

lol, but i'm sure a lot of people would be like YES! we can kill her finally

[jagged prism]

yeah, name escaped me

[lone valve]

The one that is talking to us rn in the manhunt
That'd be some twist

[frozen meadow]

its not her

[jagged prism]

honestly i don't know. haven't finished the current manhunt target yet

died in roosevelt and was like i'll finish this later

[frozen meadow]

im not gonna do it til they fix the briefing

[oak prawn]

I haven't even touched target number 2 yet

Did they fix the incursion bug with the chest ?

[frozen meadow]

time for the copy paste again

`Players who opened the chest on the TU19 version (from Oct. 3rd to Oct. 16th) and are still experiencing the initial issue will need to wait until the exact same day they first played the Incursion on in order to open the chest again. For example, if the chest was first opened on a Friday, it will reset on the following Friday.

However, for those who opened the chest for the first time on TU19.1 starting from Oct. 17th, everything should already be functioning as intended.`

[jagged prism]

haven't ran it since i've gotten the ouroborus

[oak prawn]

Just a saw a lil fox run past my house

The costume was adorable

[frozen meadow]

wasnt me this time

oh you didnt mean a literal fox

[oak prawn]

No I meant a kid

[frozen meadow]

:p

[oak prawn]

I'm the cool house I give out massive chocolate bars

[frozen meadow]

aint that expensive

[jagged prism]

but i've heard people were able to open it for as many keys they had since the patch so who knows

[oak prawn]

Meh

[frozen meadow]

thats 100% intended

[jagged prism]

filled with coffee or energy drink?

[frozen meadow]

chocolate filled with coffee? what the fuck

[oak prawn]

Adults get mini tequila bottles

[jagged prism]

sugar + caffeiene high for the kids? why not?

[oak prawn]

I don't think I've seen anyone give out energy drinks

[jagged prism]

i meant in terms of getting a needle with coffee or energy drink to inject it into the middle so the kids become flash in terms of energy

[oak prawn]

Parents don't need kids jumping off walls

[jagged prism]

(> <) as long as their not your kids though?

[oak prawn]

Even me with caffeine is a bad idea

[jagged prism]

i'd never do that though as it'd be evil in general

[frozen meadow]

im not going to even talk about how wrong that is

i actually have some choccy bars with me rn i bought last night

[oak prawn]

I'm taking whatever is left and eating them

[oak prawn]

What kind

[jagged prism]

nods same here. my dad always buys candy for halloween and we tend to have quite a bit. he gave me the choice of candy to get so i got some i love

i have to find a place that can give a lot of mounds as what we can get in stores isn't enough for me

[frozen meadow]

chocolate

[jagged prism]

ah chocolate infused with (il)legal substance eh?

[oak prawn]

I went to Walmart

[oak prawn]

Don't expose

[jagged prism]

safeway for me, as i needed soda too T_T

[oak prawn]

I bought a crap ton of soda it was on sale

[jagged prism]

at walmart? i don't recall they ever do buy 2 get 2 kind of thing, but maybe i just don't bother with them

[oak prawn]

I also got a new lsgo set for being good 🤣🤣

[storm cove]

What's goodie,bout to hop in a legendary hopefully I matchmake wit some good players y'all know what I'm talking bout 🫢😭🔥

[oak prawn]

What leggo you doing?

[jagged prism]

matchmaking might be difficult. think a good majority comes to discord and makes a premade group for it but i woudln't know because i haven't ran legendary in forever

[oak prawn]

I haven't ether

Rewards for Manning are doo doo

[storm cove]

@jagged prism true indeed it's a shot in the dark

[jagged prism]

if my memory is good, i've at least completed each once

[oak prawn]

I've done em to

I did capital all white

[jagged prism]

but what boss is where only one i recall is dua, the rest i'm lost on what each were

oh and capital with the "hide in tent, healer keeping everyone alive" strategy

[oak prawn]

No

We went to the other end

Where the shipping containers are

Far right side

[small spear]

commoner strat

based men know to run to the trucks on the right

[oak prawn]

That's what we did

[small spear]

yeah, speeds up the fight a lot more

[oak prawn]

I was with doom and 2 others

[jagged prism]

no clue honestly, when i ran it with people the tent was the viable strategy

[oak prawn]

Tent is too CQC

It's a very small space

[jagged prism]

and lots of work for the healer

[small spear]

tent can be used for scope cheese as well

[frozen meadow]

i just came up with a terrifying idea

for my raid of course

[jagged prism]

😨

[frozen meadow]

okay so hear me out

hunter but bulwark shield

[jagged prism]

mutes Eevee Dev (> <)

[frozen meadow]

it wasnt that bad

[jagged prism]

better yet, Hunter with a mix of foundry + D3fenc3 and Ouroboros with a better talent?

[frozen meadow]

no

[full zinc]

regulus

[frozen meadow]

yes

[full zinc]

shit

none survive the encounter

[oak prawn]

It's the man of the hour

[frozen meadow]

i never said only one

i was referring to regular enemies not bosses

[jagged prism]

but think about it, Foundry + D3fens3 and some SMG and they're scaling of how NPCS gets we'd never get rid of them shields or armor

[frozen meadow]

leave d1 in d1

i despise reusing old mechanics

unless they are a very specific "fan favourite"

which it wasnt

[kind veldt]

do we have any boss that buffs other NPCs?

[jagged prism]

i honestly don't remember much of d3fens3 aside being able to use bulwark with smg

[kind veldt]

or just the medic in the first round of IH?

[frozen meadow]

also bringing back a gearset for the sole purpose of the enemies using it is kinda cringe

[frozen meadow]

does leg capitol boss count

[kind veldt]

is it just healing or something else?

[frozen meadow]

just heal

[kind veldt]

then nah

[frozen meadow]

omg i have a funny idea

[kind veldt]

iron horse just heals also or does something extra?

my brain wants to say extra

[frozen meadow]

the boss is just

a bunch of shd crates

and when you hit phase 2 of the fight

[kind veldt]

have jack-in-the-box mechanic to have to open the right one to damage the CPU "core" and deal damage to the boss?

[frozen meadow]

it swaps to tossing out revivers and boosters

and stickies/chems from the walls

[kind veldt]

isnt there a boss in breakpoint raid that is just a wall?

[frozen meadow]

idfk

but imagine just a metric fuck ton of named skills\

this actually fits in perfectly for one of my fake troll encounters in this mission

well kidn of

[misty sleet]

has anyone defeated the new mode using a skill build?

[frozen meadow]

the idea is that the fake encounters rotate so you have to actually figure out through actual skill how to actually do iyt

[frozen meadow]

i think most of us are not insane enough to do that

[kind veldt]

https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2019/12/ghost-recon-breakpoint-super-computer-1-690x388.jpg

[misty sleet]

im a skill player, i guess i will never know what is like to defeat that mode

[oak prawn]

I'll attempt

[kind veldt]

yeap one boss is just a super computer "wall"

[frozen meadow]

not really what i meant but kinda

[kind veldt]

well healers

they are popular in there

[oak prawn]

Good healers are hard to find

[kind veldt]

if you mean offensive skills, oxidizer can be used for the turrets and lovebirds

hard to find good skills for second and third part

that are not just heal and support

[misty sleet]

i meant, alone.... but using a toxic build is maybe a food idea

[reef reef]

its worth it to grab even an okay DPS build and run through the Incursion.

[kind veldt]

yeah if you mena for solo, good luck bro it aint happening

[frozen meadow]

we need to remove skill builds tbh

[reef reef]

Just bring 3 somewhat okay DPS builds and a half competent healer and you'll do fine- solo aint happening

[kind veldt]

feel free to prove people wrong and rise as a hero tho

[misty sleet]

lol

[frozen meadow]

has anyone even soloed after 19.1

[unique summit]

i ran with someone who was running yellow oxy big shield... it's possible i guess. it was definitely suboptimal and the dps needed to carry. but it wasn't totally useless.

[kind veldt]

oxidizer can safely deal wit hturrets

and on damage phase of lovebirds damage both of them and the box at hte same time

[unique summit]

well he even ran it during wright and it took us longer but we got through it okay

[kind veldt]

so there is some legit good strats for these specifics

[misty sleet]

i havent kill the nemesis nether... that damn emp hunter thing that do the nemesis... sucks

[astral notch]

what is the fastest way to get steel?

[kind veldt]

yeah i dont have a clue how to make skills good against wright

[unique summit]

do another wony run and you'll get 9999 steel. or true sons stuff.

[frozen meadow]

assuming youre high shd*

[unique summit]

yea good point, forgot about that

gotta be like 2k shd for it to be worth it imo

maybe 1500 i guess

otherwise for steel make sure you do the mat run every day

start at capitol hill and go west. do every cp till metro ruins

you'll get a lot of mats between crash site and sinkhole

do it on heroic with directives and you'll get loot + xp + other stuff

call for backup for even more xp

[full zinc]

hit up solarfarm cp daily . lots of resource cases of all types. resets same time as daily missions

[astral notch]

ah gotcha, ty!

[frozen meadow]

no

[astral notch]

where is that?

[full zinc]

here @astral notch

[astral notch]

oh oops mb lol

[full zinc]

just realized kestrel said the same thing 😅

[smoky orchid]

Anyone getting delta 03 error?

[frozen meadow]

no

[jagged prism]

nope, not playing now atm so can't say XD

[frozen meadow]

i am and i simply just dont get it

[smoky orchid]

Just starting spurting randomly lol can’t even finish a countdown

But then I play a different game and it’s fine

[frozen meadow]

i dont think youd get delta errors on games without delta errors

[smoky orchid]

I mean I don’t disconnect from any other game

Due to internet 🛜

[frozen meadow]

when do you delta

[smoky orchid]

The message on div 2 says delta 03 check internet connection or some crap

[frozen meadow]

i said when

[smoky orchid]

It just happened now