td2-general-chat

[ornate agate]

I don't have a clan really it's just me and a few friends

[unborn ravine]

😂

[hybrid ore]

You can absolutely Raid below 600.
I've done Raids with Agents at 300. It's all about your build and listening to the Raid Leader.

[covert comet]

I’m looking for more people to play with on Xbox, if you need help with anything I’d be more than happy to help

[azure lintel]

server are up btw

[sturdy cape]

servers are back up

[ornate agate]

Sounds great my xbox name is the same as here if you wanna add me

[fierce pewter]

maybe watch some tutorials on youtube about the raids and builds

[vapid breach]

Ty! For server notification :)

[worn current]

You can raid at SHD 10. Just need good community. I'll not promote anything but there are at least few who can help you in.

[gilded perch]

I think like only 1% People who new and step in dz, will become true pvp player, most people are just leave or become crying baby

[fierce pewter]

that's me going into game

[ornate agate]

Yeah been doing my research so much information to absorb lol

[gilded perch]

Hope you are the 1%

[hybrid ore]

Well that was a weird thing to say.
Anyway, how is everyone enjoying today?

[humble cairn]

can anyone craft the regulus?

the servers a back up and i cant

[twin shuttle]

still broken then

[rugged coral]

Known issue

[covert comet]

What is the regulus?

[keen wraith]

Exotic pistol raid exclusive, best weapon in the game

[humble cairn]

they said they will fix it in this maintance

[covert comet]

What does it do?

[onyx dragon]

there are accouts with 800.000 shd, with 3.2 M health, destroying pvp.
Anti cheat system is a joke.

[humble cairn]

crazy head shot dmg and head shot kill me ppl and npc explode with bleed

[keen wraith]

Causes explosion with headshot kill. Combined with exotic holster is devastating

Kills every npc around

[covert comet]

Oh I can see the synergies already

What raid is it?

[twin shuttle]

and tht is why I think everyone tht XP exploited should be droped down to SHD 1000
DZ PVP is a joke... full of cheaters using scripts and full of those high SHD HP cheating!

[azure lintel]

and regulus still aint fixed

[humble cairn]

we got fucking lied to

[toxic kayak]

So who is banned? 🤣

[hybrid ore]

Atlas, That is suck an incredibly niche situation that it's hardly worth thinking about.

[keen wraith]

Iron horse. It’s not a chance drop, it’s a project to craft the Regulus when you complete the raid

In fact you need to run the raid twice to complete it

[covert comet]

Well guess that’s another I gotta do

[azure lintel]

so what was the mainterance for ?

[covert comet]

Man it’s so hard to find a raid group I think I’ll just make my own

It’s 8 people isn’t it?

[ornate agate]

Ban wave for those doing xp glitch

[rugged coral]

No patch notes yet

[keen wraith]

Yes 8 people. There are groups in discord running players thru raids. It’s easy to jump into one

[worn current]

Are we there yet guys? Can we dive into the apocalyptic deep?

[ornate agate]

Yes it's 8 people I would be happy to run one but I have no experience in them just watched some videos

[hybrid ore]

#lfg-raid-console Will be useful in finding people, although the xbox itself has a system for finding them that's more populated.

[covert comet]

I have no idea either lmao, that’s part of the fun

[humble cairn]

in trello division devs said that they have fixed the regulus crafting and is ready to be implemented in the game

[keen wraith]

First thing any group will ask is that you have a full red glass cannon composure build

It’s kill before get killed

Make one and find a group

[fair lake]

Sorry for asking - is maintenance still in progress or servers are back online?

[burnt plank]

I'M HOME!!!!

[covert comet]

Composure build?

[burnt plank]

<(X-X)>

[modern tiger]

IF you mean for raids... Most groups won't take GC builds.

[hybrid ore]

@covert comet If you haven't done a Raid before, I highly recommend you start out with Dark Hours first.
It's basically just a DPS check and a good way to get yourself intro'd into Raids in general.

[ornate agate]

Xbox is up not sure about PC or ps

[fair lake]

DH is ok with Glass Cannon, but IH is slightly different, I agree

[burnt plank]

And don't be shy to ask you're newbie, they will explain mechanic for you, then you start repeat raid one by one and you will understand soon

[fair lake]

Thanks)

[covert comet]

I’ve done raids on other games but not in this game so I have the general idea

[keen wraith]

Sorry, Vigilance. Not composure

[burnt plank]

IH just need Red DPS, 1 Tank and 1 healer

[mystic zealot]

well, basically
Dark hour = mostly shoot at bad guy, press a button here or there, stand on spot, etc.
Iron horse = a lot of thinking and communication, positioning, callouts, and shooting

[covert comet]

Is that with Ninjabike too?

[hybrid ore]

Raids in div2 are more akin to Destiny 2, like Last Wish/Levi/Garden, etc.

[burnt plank]

Wish they release more raid

[keen wraith]

Make a full red dps glass cannon vigilance build, not ninja. Vigilance is a backpack talent

[burnt plank]

Only 2 raid and they stopped, don't make it anymore

[inland crescent]

is companion a viable option for extra damage? or nah

[keen wraith]

Vigilance is better

[fair lake]

That's the issue. Sometimes you ask - does everyone know what to do? Everyone is YES, CAPTAIN, and when the fight starts that's a mess)

[unborn ravine]

I want an outcasts raid. Can't wait to die by suicide rushers.

[inland crescent]

oh ok .. just rarely see folks using that

[ornate agate]

Destiny raids are kinda pointless now adays even the exotics they have released for them are weak

[keen wraith]

It’s ok but you’ll be using revive hive and turret, so companion is not the best

[inland crescent]

got ya

[fair lake]

Legendary suicide rusher with chest armor

[hybrid ore]

I'm just going to respond to both of the last comments at once: k.

[inland crescent]

suicide rushers that fall from roof directly over players.. that would be awesome !! hahaha

[lethal shuttle]

Division 2 has remote play?

[keen wraith]

Playstation has remote play. I use it with Backbone

[ornate agate]

Pain lol but funny

[worn current]

I just logged in

Maybe i'm alone on the server

[fair lake]

I use Moonlight to play on any device

[burnt plank]

Rarely >.>

[keen wraith]

Anything you can play on PlayStation you can play it remotely with your phone

[inland crescent]

what thell there is no one online .. whats going on

[lethal shuttle]

I'm a pc gamer so I do not know of such capability

[humble cairn]

they broke something else didnt thay

[fair lake]

Good to know, thanks)

[toxic kayak]

@humble cairn Yeah but they did not implented it to the game

[fickle hemlock]

Servers up?

[worn current]

I'm in

[toxic kayak]

Yeah Server up

[worn current]

And there are people in EU server in the social zone in WH

[toxic kayak]

But still no Regulus fix 😂

[azure lintel]

like 20 minutes ago

[azure lintel]

frfr

[inland crescent]

tons of players on my friendslist say unavailable .. last time that happened it was cause of bans

[dusk phoenix]

is regulus craft fixed?

[burnt plank]

I saw a video Division player start angry about new ban

[humble cairn]

they just cant do everything

[toxic kayak]

@dusk phoenix no

[dusk phoenix]

damn what they do tho

[toxic kayak]

@humble cairn tell me what they can, I think thats a shorter list 😂

[inland crescent]

man if we could get the chance to make all EXOTIC builds like div 1 !!! wooo

[worn current]

Determined works as was. No fix

[humble cairn]

lol yea

[nova onyx]

still no patchnotes? what they did?

[fair lake]

Logged in. No ban. Looks promising

[nova onyx]

nope

[unborn ravine]

10/10 willing to bet the fixes your talking about will come at 17.2 which will be in like...2 months.

[waxen herald]

they didnt fix anything

[inland crescent]

strange statuses.. all safehouses are light on players , i usually see more folks then this especially on east coast

[hybrid ore]

There doesn't appear to have been an actual patch, just maintenance. So no patch notes usually means no patch.

[worn current]

wait no, Determined is fixed

[waxen herald]

regulus still uncraftable !!!!!

[worn current]

Or it behaves chaotically loll

[humble cairn]

ikr

[nova onyx]

lol

[fair lake]

Lmao, stealth fix

[waxen herald]

i love ubisoft im sure glad they could kick me out for 3 hours and not fix anything

[modern tiger]

Determined is fixed how? As in not working with chainkiller now?

[worn current]

wowwww Determined is BUGGED

its not working

[humble cairn]

yea, so they have time to nerf a good sniper buff that made snipers fun but they cannot actually FIX stuff

[worn current]

It works one time and then it's bugged - headshots on head do not make it on again

what the hell

[humble cairn]

bruuuh

[buoyant scarab]

Determined was always meant to be head>body>head

[worn current]

Yeah and it doesnt work

[waxen herald]

disagree determined getting fixed is based if true that talent is for noobs

[worn current]

Headshot kill sound

[buoyant scarab]

Oh yh its screwed

[humble cairn]

yea

[worn current]

Congratz UBISOFT/MASSIVE :DDDDDDDD LOL

[nova onyx]

They said "Planned for TU17.2 - Determined and Regulus" but fixed Determined only LOL

[buoyant scarab]

I just want the darpa fix lol

[humble cairn]

you have time to nerf a good talent for noobs but they dont have time to fix actual stuff

[worn current]

This is hilarious

[buoyant scarab]

Determined fix isn't a nerf lol

Its a fix

[worn current]

I can't believe they've put time to fix the 'fun' talent to break it

[buoyant scarab]

Oh yh

[humble cairn]

yea

[waxen herald]

that shit isnt fun its toxic

[nova onyx]

YES IT IS but nothing was fixed but determined only

[covert comet]

Is there a Perfected Vigilance backpack anywhere?

[knotty quail]

The Gift, DZ exclusive

[humble cairn]

dz south vendor

[buoyant scarab]

Need 165DZ points

[covert comet]

Bet, guess I’m hitting the DZ

[buoyant scarab]

Welp

Hope u don't get bummed by hacks

[covert comet]

I’m on Xbox

[buoyant scarab]

Irrelevant

[covert comet]

So I’m chilling

[covert comet]

Oh word?

[buoyant scarab]

They exist on console as well

[covert comet]

Wtf

[worn current]

So regulus fix is not there? We have so many people waiting to craft it on our community server... whole Steam wave of players. LOL

[humble cairn]

im asking one thing and that is that i can craft my first raid exotic that i worked my ass off

[buoyant scarab]

I'm not sure where people got this idea that consoles aren't free from hacks

[haughty scaffold]

what they do?

[humble cairn]

nothing basically

[haughty scaffold]

fix nothing...

[slender rover]

i just wanna pop heads with regulus, but i guess we wait even longer💀

[humble cairn]

yes

liberty is viable for it

[covert comet]

I mean it’s a lot harder to jailbreak an Xbox than install something that flies over DRM

[haughty scaffold]

no patchnote?

[covert comet]

But you are right

[fair lake]

determined stealth fix

[haughty scaffold]

only fix detemined?

[soft badge]

give me patchnote !!!!!!

[humble cairn]

im not sure about the word "fix" in this case

[soft badge]

my regulus... 😢

[worn current]

Patchnotes: one dude switched few attributes in some Class and Databse to break Detrmined and pushed it live.

[humble cairn]

our regulus

[soft badge]

no.................

[buoyant scarab]

We regulus

[humble cairn]

we regulus

[haughty scaffold]

cant make regulus yet?

[humble cairn]

nope

i just want to pop em heads

[soft badge]

really sad

[humble cairn]

the big sad

[soft badge]

https://tenor.com/view/mom-yelling-help-mother-telling-gif-14604948

[haughty scaffold]

nothing to fix..

[iron cypress]

What was the maintenance for? Apparel still bugged

[ashen sparrow]

Determined hasn’t been changed, no regulus either

[haughty scaffold]

they did nothing ..lol

[azure lintel]

they did ban wave

costed them 3 hours

[rugged coral]

Sometimes even servers need a little love

[worn current]

#weRegulus

[azure lintel]

to ban few people

[buoyant scarab]

They have? Haven't seen any reports on bans yet

[azure lintel]

if they want love then they need to listen to players

[humble cairn]

#weregulus

[ashen sparrow]

I would like to start banning people who do nothing but comment on how much they want to see people banned

[soft badge]

We have to gift Regulus stuff to Ubisoft. so they can make Regulus

[iron cypress]

Countdown still bugged?

[main aurora]

Ubi can ban players exploiting within 1 week but can’t fix game crashes happening for 1 year
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/592319283665829888/1077998291263950859/division_a_nutsell_2_2.gif

[lethal shuttle]

Yes

[worn current]

lets see 😄

[onyx dragon]

every cheater should have your attention.
pvp comunity is so small that we encounter these players every day.

[main aurora]

You are cheater mr poland

[azure lintel]

yes

[soft badge]

#save we regulus

[onyx dragon]

hello bro 🙂

[buoyant scarab]

Which means the faye lau and Anderson exploits had nothing to do with server stability for countdown and summit.

Mega kek

[azure lintel]

i mean its great to see people who exploited for shd lvls get banned

[elfin hazel]

no we know theres more reasons than just faye

[azure lintel]

breaking rules will make u pay

[buoyant scarab]

If people keep doing it yh

[worn current]

Right? 😄

[azure lintel]

i mean frist is for 2 weeks then its perma

[azure lintel]

summit still laggy

[low lily]

If only people told before that there was something else involved besides faye lay xp farm 😸😸

[worn current]

They did the cuts on Div2 and just turned off some servers so we got all the bugs desyncs and lags

[nova onyx]

guys determined is not fixed in field yet

[onyx dragon]

perm for exploiting game glitches ?
ppl literally shooting through walls for years and they hardly get banned.

[nova onyx]

it still works

[hybrid ore]

Just to clarify: us mods are not actual Ubisoft employees, just players who help with the day-to-day running of the Server.

[rugged coral]

Its not the same issue

[azure lintel]

they texted that first is for 2 weeks if u do that after ban u get perm

[onyx dragon]

its ok, just having a conversation

[buoyant scarab]

I just think its funny that when the warning came out to everybody to stop yo shit or we finna ban you; the servers for isolated instances are still being lagged af anyway

[rugged coral]

When you are taking out servers thats a whole different level

[onyx dragon]

clearly not the same, cheating is way worse than using somthing thats whithin the game mechanics

[humble cairn]

me and my friend sent videos of hacker literally crossmapping with the boomstick we got told to verify our game files

[buoyant scarab]

RunningButcher has been making videos on exploits and cheats for years and he's still fine.

[haughty scaffold]

so I can't believe ubi doesn't work

[ashen sparrow]

💯

The servers have been back up maybe 15 min? If there was ever a reason to believe there’s more to it than just farming…

[haughty scaffold]

they just didnt nothing

[onyx dragon]

ahahah xD typical answer form the Devs. "if something doesnt work or work in a non-intended way" they say to verify ur game files

[humble cairn]

yes

[ashen sparrow]

RB is one of a group who literally shuck paid services and nobody screams ban the people who paid for stuff

[elfin hazel]

sometimes server maintenance is just that its not always going to be player facing

[lethal shuttle]

I saw several guy lag switching and a few who just runs around the map at insta speed

[rugged coral]

Ok so if i go to a bank and rob it for 100millon and the had to go to jail for 14 days but i kept the money afterwards , wow what a hardship these people are getting away scott free even if they are banned.

[elfin hazel]

?????????????

[ashen sparrow]

Are you really comparing armed robbery to someone farming SHD in a video game? Lolololol

[low lily]

Selling exotics has been a thing from year 1 for div2, no one has gotten ban for it

[buoyant scarab]

AC blackflag multiplayer is riddled with them and nothing happens there either.

[ashen sparrow]

Exactly.

[main aurora]

Glitching/Exploiting involves abusing mistakes in poorly written code. Cheating involves paying a 3rd party service to effectively grief others

[rugged coral]

Yes because its the same principle, robbbery, your stealing.

[low lily]

Same with auto cronus farmers for f10

[obsidian hatch]

it's a pretty muddy line. I mean people are not forced at gunpoint to pay for that overpriced crap.

[haughty scaffold]

work ubi

[elfin hazel]

it is not like at all

[rugged coral]

Same net, you gain cheaters take short cuts

[ashen sparrow]

I hope you are one day elected to a local judgeship. I would love to read your trial transcripts.

[unreal geode]

I am fine, no banned 😆

[rugged coral]

Look i am not changing my mind on this you cheat you pay.

[low lily]

How much you farmed?

[onyx dragon]

im not saying it shall be left behind but the punishment shall be balanced

[buoyant scarab]

You wouldn't be. It was from the point of the warning and onwards

[elfin hazel]

^

[humble cairn]

btw ubi says that their hacker detection 100% accurate

[main aurora]

Wait for devs to reset your expertise to 0

[elfin hazel]

where do they say that actually where does any game dev or studio say that

[rugged coral]

Wtf i have been unable to play for weeks? Its like i have in game grief from other players,
.

[humble cairn]

my friend got banned for nothing and they told him that

[rugged coral]

Why should i been punished?

[onyx dragon]

id rather have 0 expertise in pvp, and shd at 1000 for everyone.

[obsidian hatch]

are you sure your friend ain't lying?

[buoyant scarab]

EAC is easily exploitable and a piss poor anti cheat.
You have to physically customise and edit your own code to make EAC work and even then its preferable to add another layer of protection on top

[rugged coral]

Eac agree is worthless

[unreal geode]

Anderson only

[humble cairn]

i was playing with him at time that they said he was hacking

[obsidian hatch]

maybe he did

[elfin hazel]

it really isn't theres a lot more to it than just eac bad

[onyx dragon]

there are other methods of detecting cheaters in game.
there are stats which are recorded, eg. headshoots per hour and such - they just dont use it.

[obsidian hatch]

it just wasn't at the time you played with him

[main aurora]

At least cs has an anti-cheat. Div2 anticheat is about as useful as a torn condom

[humble cairn]

i dont think so we got shitted on by everyone

[buoyant scarab]

Not enough devs I'm afraid

[main aurora]

We are getting like 8 new hackers a day

[ashen sparrow]

Only 8? We gotta get those numbers up.

[onyx dragon]

you can automate the process and flag the players with unusuall stats. Selected ones are then reviewed by the devs.

[buoyant scarab]

Rookie numbers

[hybrid ore]

Too many armchair devs in here today and not enough chairs, you're all going to have to double-up.

[low lily]

Unless you earn xp you are chill do use exploit and stuff

[obsidian hatch]

CSGO is obliged to have a strong anti cheat. It's a competitive multiplayer game that is also in multiple e-sport competition

[elfin hazel]

I don't think I've seen this many at once

[main aurora]

It’s not necessarily the devs, there’s a guy in the community who’s developed a tool to flag people with ridiculous headshot %s. It’s ubi upper management who do not care

[buoyant scarab]

Absolutely. Theres just not enough investment for it

[ashen sparrow]

Arm chair devs is far too much of a compliment given how far this is spiraling

[buoyant scarab]

Yup

[elfin hazel]

I would sooner trust EAC to actively ban people than I would ever trust VAC 😭

[buoyant scarab]

Spot on

[onyx dragon]

one of the members created a discord BOT that helps you check if players are cheating. ISAC, you can istall in on any discord and see for yourself.
If he can gather data and use it to track cheaters, why cant devs ?

[buoyant scarab]

Because investment

Devs cost money

Game is 4 years old now

[obsidian hatch]

because you have to make such a system for every single servers in the world

and not just discord

[onyx dragon]

that is free, the is using data which is already there, collected by the game itself.

[obsidian hatch]

and also making sure that it ain't messing with the already janky code that Div2 is having rn

[onyx dragon]

it works on every server (within a game)

[ashen sparrow]

But I gave Ubisoft somewhere between $4 and $99 one time in the last 4 years, everything should be perfect or there should be a riot!

[obsidian hatch]

so ye maybe we get less cheaters but also more crashes for some reason

[elfin hazel]

I'm curious as to how a discord bot would detect cheaters in a game where api access isnt even a thing

[ashen sparrow]

It’s crowdsourced data

[obsidian hatch]

is it accurate

[hybrid ore]

Okay I'm off for a while, y'all play nice now.

[haughty scaffold]

@hybrid ore

[main aurora]

@wide smelt does isac use api?

[haughty scaffold]

today no patchnote?

[humble cairn]

nope

[elfin hazel]

no because div2 doesnt have an api

[haughty scaffold]

wheres patchnote?

[humble cairn]

no patchn notes

[obsidian hatch]

there's no patch notes

[haughty scaffold]

i cant believe it..

[obsidian hatch]

it's a normal server calibration

[soft badge]

dreaming

[elfin hazel]

so its either player y said player x is cheating which is just report based which is always a bad idea or its using 100% accurate™ data from like tracker network

[buoyant scarab]

Just maintenance this week

[onyx dragon]

Data is acurate, u see weapon hits, hs, bodyshoots, playtime and many many more stats.

[ashen sparrow]

I mean, I’m looking at the GitHub source code for the bot now…

[buoyant scarab]

U can easily fudge that data

To avoid detection

[elfin hazel]

both of these I would not trust to say yes player x is a cheater in a million years

[ashen sparrow]

So you can tell me how accurate it is, but I can also see how it pulls it’s data and laugh at you for thinking this is an accurate way to collect this data

[elfin hazel]

good for you man

[obsidian hatch]

it seems like a flimsy system tbh

[azure lintel]

it seems that summit lag is fixed

[elfin hazel]

I'd sooner trust EAC than some random discord bot I'm only hearing of now that more than likely is not a good system for detecting cheaters so act all superior as you wish

[humble cairn]

do we actually need to riot for actual stuff to happen

[low lily]

Also if they try to ban you, just say no because then you didn't give your consent and therefore banning you would be illegal.😸

[ashen sparrow]

Pro tip: the bot is literally open source. Google “isac division 2 site:GitHub.com” and bam you too can see how it works

[elfin hazel]

you already gave consent by agreeing to the eula 🚎

[obsidian hatch]

massive warning seems to help cutting off a lot of the server stress caused by Fay Lau farming

[azure lintel]

is this france refference?

[humble cairn]

yes

[elfin hazel]

dont see it

[onyx dragon]

wow, what did eac do ? NOTHING
ppl shoot through walls for years now, same ppl, different or the same accounts.
BOT is here not to ban but to tell if someone is suspicious or if he cheats.
If an average player has 200-500 HS/h and then you check another with 10.000 not missing a bullet - u cant even have that mnay hits by playing legit.

ppl record and add links to the vid which are included in the bot itself, so not only the stats but also recorded evidence.

[ashen sparrow]

It’s a few pages down. Just go to GitHub and add /saacki/isacbot for simplicity

[obsidian hatch]

if EAC does nothing then I guess every legendary I matchmake with should have at least 1 cheater tbh. I'm in Asia server, which means Chinese players take up like 80% of the time

[elfin hazel]

its how they have EAC set up which is clearly not the best & not just eac bad

[lethal shuttle]

Hm...

I am having a slight migraine from reading chat

[buoyant scarab]

Then stop reading chat

[lethal shuttle]

Fair enuf

[lofty bone]

turret is straight doodoo, doesnt even shoot enemies lmao

[elfin hazel]

#td2-general-chat is like glue

[azure lintel]

hyena effect ?

[obsidian hatch]

some folks just like to sniff it

[lethal shuttle]

Disorient

[burnt plank]

Annoying disorient

[obsidian hatch]

we need gas grenades and shock grenades

[lethal shuttle]

Like in Div1?

[obsidian hatch]

ya

[fair lake]

flame turret like in div1 and medic bag would be so much better than this nerfed rip-off turret we have now...

[obsidian hatch]

if we get the same nades as the hyena, I'd use that one a lot

[fair lake]

and seekers, which tracked the ENEMY, not their LAST POSITION were awesome as well....

[obsidian hatch]

it has really good radius

[obsidian hatch]

there was a time where seekers were hilariously broken

it's like a ball split into may smaller rolling nukes

a single split seeker mine could legit takes 80% of an elite entire armor bar

in a group of 4 mind you

[fair lake]

If you talk about div1 - I didn't get that time. I rolled into first part in 1.8 patch (almost the end of life cycle)

[obsidian hatch]

no, div2

[fair lake]

hmmm, don't remember that tbh

[obsidian hatch]

Div1 never got nukes

[obsidian hatch]

it was in year 1 so

if you joined later then you might not saw it

but other than that, ye the flame turret sucks pp

[fair lake]

pre-ordered day 1 player, so I just don't remember it 🙂

[obsidian hatch]

huh

that was a really prominent period of seeker mines

the only thing that could match its power was the og aces and eight

[lethal shuttle]

I miss resistance.

It was a very simple yet fun game mode

[buoyant scarab]

Yh gotta agree seekers absolutely suck in Div2

[obsidian hatch]

it sucks for the user but in hindsight, it helps tremendously in a team for me

[inner mason]

did anyone get banned after the maintenance?

[azure lintel]

the biggest bs in div2 is bugged drones

[buoyant scarab]

Not that iv seen no

[lethal shuttle]

I have never once in my life used seeker in Div1 and Div2.

In Div1, Jammer Pulse + Revive Station, Emp sticky + Shield was the norm in DZ.

In Div2 I use Crusader Shield and Pulse.

[obsidian hatch]

funny how it's kind of the signature Division gadget. At least for me

but same, I used it very scarcely

[lethal shuttle]

It looks like smth Batman would use

Without the lethal amount of explosives part

[obsidian hatch]

Div1 did have a "batman" variant

[low flame]

Uhh… there was no jammer pulse in div1. That was div2 only

[obsidian hatch]

the gas seeker

it just go to the enemies and fart a big cloud of tear gas that disorient a lot of enemies

[lethal shuttle]

Yes but it was different.

Instead of an emp pulse, it gives you and your team 100% pulse resist

[obsidian hatch]

status effect kinda sucks in Div1 tho so not many folks use it

[low flame]

Oh that one yeah

[lethal shuttle]

I call it jammer since it more accurate and the one in Div2 i call it emp pulse

[obsidian hatch]

jammer means it just make the enemies gadget not usable in the area while EMP just completely destroy them in real life I think

I wonder if a player variant of the EMP drone would be good

[tulip summit]

man is the dz just full of hackers?

[graceful wind]

Whats the easiest way of taking down BT Quadcopters in freeroam? I've only ever destroyed 2 or 3 of them, and they get me nearly every time with the bombs

[humble cairn]

Anyone know the release date for tu 17.2

[azure lintel]

dps build

use cover shoot the electric box in middle to disable weapons

[sturdy cape]

main thing i find helps is having a roof or something to get under to avoid the explosions

[humble cairn]

Corners do just fine

Gta v explosive logics

[charred igloo]

Any one able to see friends online in game ?

[azure lintel]

yes

[rancid island]

So nothing was patched today?

[still temple]

Scorpio, shoot the red box below

[fair lake]

Determined 🤣

[rancid island]

That hurts. I had two perfect builds

[fair lake]

💀

[twin shuttle]

start by shooting down their 4 engines... then just shoot center mass trying to hit the weak point in the center (will look like some Red bos type)
Ohh and u know they will shoot missiles at you... so having an object blocking the way right in front of you will make those missiles hit it instead... like a truck or a wall, something high!

[tulip summit]

@fair lake if you had to just guess what's the % of hackers in the dz rn

[smoky stag]

Decoy, DPS build if solo

[graceful wind]

Yeah, I have really bad aim. I know about the boxes on the arms, but I can never get enough shots off before they get me with the bombs

[smoky stag]

Decoy. Works on legendary RI.
Should work on something as pedestrian as open world quadcopters

[twin shuttle]

read again #td2-general-chat message

[buoyant scarab]

Most of the time

Thats why its dead

But let's ban fayelau exploiters

[fair lake]

Since last time I was in DZ (13+ months ago) I met only 1 cheater, so I can't judge

[buoyant scarab]

Pogchamp move

[twin shuttle]

check the pinned messages in #td2-build-advice for a very usefull spreadsheet and a Reddit post with a collection of updated builds!
It may help you find wht you need!
For now the easiest you can do is something like 3 Providence + 2 Belstone + 1 grupo sombra... everything tolled for Crit chance and Crit DMG

[tulip summit]

how bad is easy anti cheat 😢

[buoyant scarab]

Very

[graceful wind]

Its not my build, Its lack of skill on my part more than anything.

[buoyant scarab]

Its the worst one to use

[lethal shuttle]

Emp sticky.

Shoot one and it will just hover still and do nothing.

[buoyant scarab]

Unless u edit the backend yourself

[twin shuttle]

wht dificulty do you usually run freeroam?

[lethal shuttle]

Its not fool proof but it will make things a little more managable

[hasty rapids]

Is somebody banned ?

[tulip summit]

is it just cheap for companies to acquire and easy to implement? 😭 @buoyant scarab

[graceful wind]

challenging, its only the quadcopters that give me problems

[twin shuttle]

then its ur build 🙂

[buoyant scarab]

Its free with epic online services

[rancid island]

So this week we accomplished, we going to ban the players if they keep farming, and will fix determined. And actually nothing useful was patched.

[buoyant scarab]

Doesn't cost a dime

[tulip summit]

genshin impact has better anticheat wtf

[grave zephyr]

Can you only get ninja’a backpack from season pass or is it lootable?

[buoyant scarab]

Its a level 90 reward yes

[graceful wind]

Season track level 90 only for now

[lethal shuttle]

*Looks at Ubisoft's financial state.

I can guess why

[tulip summit]

During season: Pass and then drop
After season: General loot pool

[silk canyon]

Oh dear, game crashing way more tonight

[tulip summit]

team too small to manage a AAA game also imo

[rancid island]

But determined is fixed because that was more important of course

[lethal shuttle]

Well ubi could always bring it kore ppl.

But the problem is, Ubi cant right now.

Even R6s, Ubi's golden goose, has sheet anti cheat and servers suffering from dementia

[sturdy cape]

no doubt fixing determined is massively simpler than fixing the crashes

[lethal shuttle]

How was determined... fixed

[silk canyon]

Yeah

[tulip summit]

Tower of Fantasy really out here being better w their team crying n sobbing

[silk canyon]

Just mildly annoying since I haven't crashed this frequently ingame before

[fair lake]

If you kill in body - it loses the stack now

[azure lintel]

u must have under 90 iq to play r6 bcs those mm are either kids or people who troll

[smoky stag]

For real?

[lethal shuttle]

Ah yes.... the "if you dont play meta you are trolling, if you play meta you are a sweaty try hard" conundrum

[azure lintel]

i was once called re for playing operator what nobody played

1v5 winned

r6 is just people who cry ngl

[lethal shuttle]

You played our great Lord Tachanka?

[ashen sparrow]

I went into range and tested this like 10 min ago and it didn’t reset on body shot, still let me build up HH even on body and kept determined so..

[azure lintel]

ofc

that operator is op even after nerfing

[smoky stag]

Boooo

[fair lake]

Tbh I haven't tested it yet, but here in chat it was mentioned multiple times

[ashen sparrow]

Superb.

[sturdy cape]

wouldn't a client update be required to make a change to the talent?

[lethal shuttle]

Hmm so the old bug is still here, the one that makes determined not proc'ing unless you unequip and reequip it

[ashen sparrow]

Yah. That bug is still present and you can just weapon swap, you don’t have to unequip

[lethal shuttle]

I wouldnt say he's op, he just need to set himself up properly but once he does

That man is 🤌

[wooden lantern]

Lol they banning people now for using game exploits? that are in the game itself? because devs failed to fix these things.... Lol as if the game had anything nice to offer.

[azure lintel]

he is op still

some people just cant play him i have around 500 hours on him only

[azure lintel]

using exploits is againts rules

[wooden lantern]

Fix the exploits then? and people wouldn't use them

[azure lintel]

i mean using those exploits even if its againts rules just show some people are lazy

[wooden lantern]

can't blame people for your ownn fk up 😂😂

[azure lintel]

no wonder they get banned

[lofty bone]

god you forget how fucking annoying the keener mission is. like just fucking let me leave and go fight the idiot, why waste my time in that room

[still temple]

the same happened last time when people abused damage glitch activated by the mounted gun at CPs

[sturdy cape]

@wooden lantern this may come as a surprise but not getting banned for using exploits is in fact...very easy

[lethal shuttle]

Becuz "Dramatic" effect.

[wooden lantern]

i'm not bannned fyi i just saw the message popped UP

[lofty bone]

wasted so much time in the time trial just sitting around waiting for that thing to finish up

[lethal shuttle]

That segment drags on for way too long for my liking

[buoyant scarab]

4 man it. One on each SHD crate

[prime grove]

Is resource convoy nerfed ?

[wooden lantern]

they're complaining anout getting massive amounts of xp Lol, i play on challenging with all derectives ON except Pistolero and every CP is like 1-2 levels

i feel like the XP is way too slow to level up

[elfin hazel]

yes but thats way slower compared to something like faye

[tulip summit]

is that like good xp? or gear

[prime grove]

Xp

[elfin hazel]

its why convoys despite being super busted for xp are kinda just left alone because the time between

[wooden lantern]

i feel like each CP should give like 5 levels instead

plus after max out ur shd, Lol u get burned OUT

i'm at 802 rn

[elfin hazel]

depends on what you're doing

[covert owl]

wait what those player R6 have problems with connections

[prime grove]

Anyone willing to do Resources convoy ?

[elfin hazel]

I've started to take longer breaks only at like 3k which ig you could call burnout

[latent stone]

I definitely wish xp for activities was balanced better, but I'd want it to be a similar xp/time to convoys rather than convoys being nerfed to be in line with everything else. Including an avg travel time per convoy, not just the convoy fight itself

Do we know the sprint speed in this game?

[low lily]

Heroic with all directives convoys are insane amount of xp to be fair

[buoyant scarab]

Practically a level a convoy

Best way to farm SHD

Throw in some CPs inbetween

[latent stone]

I was asking about sprint speed to get an idea of how much it gives me per minute. I avg traveling 200 meters after fast travel and iirc its 330k xp on completion

[frigid oxide]

Where TF are the US Central servers on Division 2?

[latent stone]

Challenging is 250k on completion so it's not uncommon for me to avoid heroic when I'm not feeling it

[latent stone]

Timbuktu

[raven grove]

Sooooo, is the lag less and summit more playable?

[low lily]

What's a cp4 with all directives xp?

[azure lintel]

there is no lag anymore

[azure lintel]

heroic diff with all xp boosters

[latent stone]

660k on completion

[raven grove]

Cool, time to have a go at summit again once im home. Thanks.

[latent stone]

I cant wait to play summit tonight

But I don't get home for another 9 hours

[low lily]

So farming a nautral dem site would be really fast also, of course loading takes couple of minutes and running but actually doing it takes strongly below 1min, you can spawn kill all waves

Gonna try today how fast 1 run actually is with all loading, should be about 3-4min maybe?

[raven grove]

Same, the xp farm thing was getting in the way. Wish the devs came up with a less drastic solution but i guess their budget allows only so much.

[latent stone]

Keep in mind this is on completion xp. A heroic + 5 directive convoy at 330k completion totals like 700k. A challenging + 3 directive totals over 400k.

I'd assume the 660k for cp4 + 5 totals a lot more.

It's prolly like 1.3M XP total

[latent stone]

It's probably a deterrent bc the fix isn't as easy as people want to assume

[raven grove]

Yeah that also

[twin shuttle]

and convoy heroic 3 directives totals 600k... + whtever XP u get from killing things almost 700k
which is wht I run mostly!

[latent stone]

I get 730k from heroic + 5 directive including kill xp

[twin shuttle]

i know u already said tht

I dont do cooldown directive cuz im shield build, i need my shield... and i dont do ammo directive cuz its to annoying, i need my guns!
And as i dont do skill based builds either!

[latent stone]

Sorry I sent that msg too early. Was supposed to end with "so idk how you get as much as me with 2 less directives"

[sturdy cape]

heroic convoy with 5 directives just gave me 330k. CP4 was 660k

that's just the objective, not inc kills

[low lily]

Convoys give double?

[sonic oar]

Check the top right XP bar, it's double of stated, so convoys XP is the same as CP at the end.

[twin shuttle]

its not 330k... its 330k x 2 cuz 2 packages
each package gives you the objective XP... thts why convoys have always been broken, for years... which will be fixed in the next season with the XP rebalance in the open world!

[sturdy cape]

pickup 1 package and you get nothing tho

[low lily]

I can already tell it won't be after that xp rework 🤣

[sturdy cape]

interesting, i'll take a look

[low lily]

So people who use convoys for farming xp are exploiting, because it gives double 😸

[sturdy cape]

🤦‍♂️

[twin shuttle]

imagine comparing convoy farming with actual Faye Law XP glitching

[low lily]

Who was comparing?

I just said exploit

[warm kernel]

👍🏼

[modern plover]

what's the best way to get exotic components?

[low lily]

Fastest way is dz probably

[foggy hamlet]

what was this update or thing for?

[twin shuttle]

"best way"?? make new char starting in DC... after getting the first skill in base of operations, use the Store boost to lvl30 (not the NYC one)... talk with Inaya at the crafting table to share mats... and do the exotic weekly for mats!
1 Exotic every 7-9 mins from the chest!
when oyu run out of mats... run some missions (preferencially lincoln)

[low lily]

What chest you mean there?

[twin shuttle]

the exotic chest u get from the weekly exotic mission

you trade some crafting mats, it gives you an exotic chest

once a week... "Per characther"

thts the point... "per cheracther"

otherwise just run Lincoln... the last boss drops the exotic chest piece very often in heroic and the mission is quite "small", meaning fast

[broken solstice]

It's called a cache. Chest is confusing bc it sounds like ur talking about an armor piece

[timber hatch]

The problem with the recent exp farms vs convoys or even floor 10 isn't the exp you get, it's that it has a significantly negative impact on the game for other people. That's the problem

[twin shuttle]

potato... po-tah-to... but ur right, they are caches

i call em chests cuz they look like chests/crates whtever

and ENG in my 3rd language so whtever

[lone valve]

Raucey is right
I wouldn't care whatsoever if it didn't make off site activities unplayable

[broken solstice]

It's all good. Chest is a fine term for it

[modern plover]

actually there is no reason to keep more than 1 exotic item right?

[twin shuttle]

Exotic Chest / Crate / Cache 😛

call it a whistle 😛

[broken solstice]

Heh

[modern plover]

ive been hoarding extra exotics, should i just deconstruct them?

[broken solstice]

Yup

[twin shuttle]

personally, I only save 1 of each... just in case

deconstruct the rest yes

[broken solstice]

Same

[twin shuttle]

i mean... I only use memento + Scorpio anyway lol

there isnt really many "useful" exotics, lets be honest lol

before memento I used coyote... but after memento, theres no reason to use anything else... the kill confirmed boost is just to good to pass up 😄 😄

imo anyway

[modern plover]

aight feels good to have 78 exotic components suddenly 🤩

[twin shuttle]

I tried some ninja bag builds, it worked for the most part but i did feel the lack of memento kill confirmed boost... the diference was noticeable... eventho im back to using memento again, i had to give ninja a try tho 🙂

[broken solstice]

There's a problem w ninja bag where the 1st bonus of brand set isn't applying. It's just the 2nd bonus active

[twin shuttle]

thought tht was fixed already

[broken solstice]

Oh could be

[sturdy cape]

nope, still a buggy dice roll with that thing

as to if set bonuses will apply

[twin shuttle]

OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I SEEN THT BEFORE

I was wondering why my armor wasnt regenerating... now tht makes sense... first belstone stats is 1% regen

[lethal shuttle]

I got imperial dynasty

[broken solstice]

That's a crap piece but I keep one

[chrome delta]

I heard Dark Winter can drop from 2nd manhunt boss? Any confirms on this?

[broken solstice]

That Doesn't seem right

[teal marsh]

anyone know a good website to check out the meta builds??

[hot flint]

the manhunt bosses have a chance to drop dz exclusive named items yes

[chrome delta]

YouTube

[hot flint]

dunno if its a guarantee

[teal marsh]

oh lol okay

[sturdy cape]

check out the spreadsheet pinned in the build-advice channel

[chrome delta]

Ima look into it.

[teal marsh]

thank you, i will check it out

[twin shuttle]

#td2-build-advice pinned messages... theres a Reddit post with a collection of updated builds

[hot flint]

i mean i killed bantam and didnt get dark winter so, probably not a guarantee lol. got a chameleon i dismantled instead

[chrome delta]

Anyone else have DZ credits dissapear? I had like 230 on Sunday. Logged in yesterday amd they were gone

[sturdy cape]

i dont think DZ bucks are shared across characters are they?

maybe that

[frozen meadow]

Hi peeps

[frozen meadow]

Nope

[latent stone]

I still think chameleon is really nice but it gets so much hate 🥲

It's just smth diff to use. Not like I'm using an exotic wep otherwise

[simple mulch]

Chameleon needs handling buff and damage nerf

[hybrid ore]

It's fun to use, the issues people have with it are mostly related to the lack of range it has, since it has to be played in the same range as an SMG, but without any of the benefits from that.

[mighty edge]

Was there a patch today?

[sturdy cape]

i haven't seen much hate for it, just not much love

[simple mulch]

no

[elfin hazel]

just maintenance

[simple mulch]

chameleon and striker go hand in hand, but famas goes also, so.... famas any time baby

[mighty edge]

got it

[round pine]

am i the only that started getting more crashes/deltas in the last 2 days?

[latent stone]

That's partially why I don't use it as much anymore. I avoid being within 15m as much as possible

[lethal shuttle]

I mostly use Carbine 7 and Famas on my striker build but sometimes i want to dress up in a Hazmat suit and pretend I am Lion from r6s

[simple mulch]

m4 and c7 are best overall guns you can get, on any build. anyone can pick up these guns and get good with them

[lethal shuttle]

I used the Bullfrog from Div1 so no gun is too difficult for me

[latent stone]

I use c7 for hb and famas for striker

Hot take, my fav wep for negotiator is capacitor

[hybrid ore]

the Burn Out named Famas is never a bad choice for pretty much any red-focused build.
The thing is just wonderful.

[lethal shuttle]

Me who uses Scorpio with Eclipse Protocol, Perfect Creeping Death and Vile

[latent stone]

I used it a lot when I started but now I have fast hands famas instead

[mighty edge]

Steady hands famas is a laser beam

[hybrid ore]

On Empty is the Talent that Burn Out uses. 40% WH boost is something special.
Fast Hands is great too, there's a bunch of choices really.

[latent stone]

At first I didn't think anything of having to empty the mag for the WH, but ive become less & less a fan of needing to empty mag for the bonus

Tho I defo see the benefit of it

[hybrid ore]

As someone who grew up on games where you need to reload as much as possible, it was definitely an adjustment to my playstyle.
Only takes an hour or so before it becomes second nature, and it's interesting to switch things up every now and then.

[tired field]

Patch notes coming for this update?

[latent stone]

I mag dump a lot anyways but I don't like the idea of being forced to do so. Personal preference

[hybrid ore]

Just maintenance, since there was no download I doubt there was much of an actual patch.

[tired field]

Thanks

[latent stone]

It sucks when we don't get patch notes

[lethal shuttle]

They did not fix the Darpa lab bug

[low lily]

Of course they didn't

[latent stone]

What's the darpa bug? People who boost to wony can't access or smth else?

[grand edge]

can’t access darpa mission without joining a friend
I think that’s it

[latent stone]

Ye ye

[lethal shuttle]

No prompt to open the blast door to the mission

[latent stone]

Is that what prevents wony boost players from doing it unless they join someone else?

[lethal shuttle]

I didnt boost

[latent stone]

Huh

I was always told it was bc of wony boost. I've been lied to

My life is a lie.

[upper pilot]

yeah im stuck becasue darpa wont unlock

[lethal shuttle]

The only why I got the Firewall specialisation is that I was lucky enuf to answer a backup call of someone who is doing Darpa lab Heroic with 4 directives

[upper pilot]

if you've been locked and joined someone the comeplete the mission

does that unlock the mission for you to go in and do again in the future?

[sturdy cape]

@upper pilot i helped someone in your shoes run the mission, didn't unlock it for them

[patent glacier]

gotta cross your fingers and hope the devs fix it

[upper pilot]

lol

i've just recently come back and reinstalled in the game back from the 1st manhunt...

sooo basically got to wait until the day they decide to actually fix the game..

[latent stone]

Why not ask lfg chat for a taxi?

[upper pilot]

I've asked for 3 days and no one

[lethal shuttle]

I already got it

[latent stone]

Ive mentioned in chat several times that I'd taxi people 🥲

[upper pilot]

wanan taxi me 🙂

[latent stone]

If you're still around when I get on, absolutely

[upper pilot]

pretty please

[latent stone]

I wont be home for another 5-6 hours

[upper pilot]

Thanks! If I see you on I'll msg you

[latent stone]

If you're fine with it I'll ping you when I get on

[upper pilot]

sounds good

[stable pawn]

Read somewhere all Ubisoft game servers were down today for a maintenance

[lethal shuttle]

It was before I join the discord

[latent stone]

Rip

[quasi onyx]

anyone else losing motivation to play this game with bans coming down like is anything safe to do in the game or must i always worry if i not playing exactly the way the devs want me to

[latent stone]

Are you exploiting the game? No? Don't have to worry about it then

[patent glacier]

you don't have to worry about it at all bruh

[quasi onyx]

but my stance is if its in the game and i dont have to download a mod menu it should be fine the devs patch it out and we move on but if i stumble upon a new quick farm oh no my account is gone just feels bad man

[elfin hazel]

its only a 2 week ban practically a slap on the wrist

[sturdy cape]

oh come on now, it's incredibly easy not to get banned

[latent stone]

You agreed to terms of service that stated you won't exploit the game.

[patent glacier]

you'd have to try so god damn hard to get banned in this game

the devs don't even ban pvp exploiters

[latent stone]

If you have a problem with not being allowed to exploit bugs, then you shouldn't play the game

[patent glacier]

fact

[quasi onyx]

thats a cop out answer if its in the game it should be able to be used ive never played a a game where the devs were like please dont break our gamew cuz we will ban you most devs embrace the bug and patch it out all in good fun

[hybrid ore]

There is a warning about the ban that you have to accept before you are allowed to login.
It's also been mentioned on Twitter, and on this Server, and I'm sure the community Server too.

That is ample warning, and the first ban is 14 days, multiple offences is permanent.

[lethal shuttle]

The Faye Lau farm bug is an interesting case.

[patent glacier]

playing the faye lau mission over and over is considered a bug?

i don't get any of this whats so special about that

[torpid plume]

Facts

[elfin hazel]

its not that the farm works differently

[quasi onyx]

its still able to do legit you can do lau aon a 2 min rotation to still pull large amounts of exp

[latent stone]

No, it's not just a matter of playing it repeatedly. We can't discuss what it is.

[hybrid ore]

^
This exploit seemed to be causing actual server-wide instability, something that effects all players, not just those taking part in the exploit.

[patent glacier]

did the devs know that it would cause server issues beforehand

they could've started banning people sooner for it

[elfin hazel]

no because it wasn't known as a bug

[quasi onyx]

so patch the exploit and move on or disable the mission till a fix can be found

[patent glacier]

ah ok

[elfin hazel]

and banning people is a last resort option

[latent stone]

The exploit was causing mass amounts of people to not be able to play the game. Gaining XP a little faster via an exploit that's against ToS at the cost of rendering the game unplayable is absolutely worthy of repercussions lol

[quasi onyx]

but in this case its a first option rather than taking any other option

[low lily]

Countdown still bugging out i see

[elfin hazel]

and block legit players out of content? because some people are exploiting?

that doesnt seem fair

[latent stone]

Or the fact that patching games is more than flipping a switch and this is the route they took until they can fix it.

[balmy cedar]

Countdown is not as bad as it was you can actually play heroic now

[quasi onyx]

fair or not its in the game and should be able to be used

[latent stone]

Why punish all players instead of only those who broke ToS?

[sturdy cape]

i've heard that prior to this exploit existing this game was still playable. shocking i know. life will go on

[quasi onyx]

because tos is bs 90% of the tiem

[latent stone]

My problem with heroic cd is players who can't contribute or leave mid mission 🥲

[quasi onyx]

look at any other dev none of them do this

[latent stone]

ToS is essentially be nice and don't cheat. How is that bs?

Many do this, because anyone exploiting or cheating deserves bans.

[patent glacier]

microsoft also has a ToS that is basically "you don't actually own windows, we own you"

[tender wave]

Just pretend they patched it and continue on without it

[patent glacier]

the more you know! :D

[quasi onyx]

cheating shouldnt be classified as i played the game in a way you didnt intend

[latent stone]

You should be allowed to exploit a bug that causes everyone to not be able to play the game? That's ridiculously selfish.

[quasi onyx]

anyone should be allowed to use it that in and of itself is not selfish

[tired field]

Amazon took a fall with disabling options before other measures in new world (trading posts) so I’m glad they didn’t disable anything due to exploits

[patent glacier]

how about just make it to where you cant play the same mission 100 times and make it to where you have to play a different mission before you come back to the same one

[hybrid ore]

all non physical media is only "permanently rented", that goes for Steam games too.

[patent glacier]

yes

[latent stone]

Breaking the game because you want to exploit a bug is indeed selfish

[latent stone]

The people breaking the game via faye Lau aren't repeatedly running it. They're staying in one run indefinitely.

[quasi onyx]

allowing a large player base to use something in the gameis nbot selfsih remove the concept of it being me its the player base as a whole

[low lily]

Now hunters are missing in countdown, thanks god they fixed a xp exploit 😸😸

[patent glacier]

then... perhaps it's time to remove that mission entirely until they fix it

[balmy cedar]

I kick most shit builds, skill builds are an automatic no go bc they can’t contribute to dealing with hunters and are surprised when their drone kills them

[latent stone]

Except it breaks the game for everyone. Not just the people breaking ToS to exploit the game.

[balmy cedar]

If ur running dps and ur Chc is 12% u dead

[latent stone]

Why punish everyone including those who didn't do anything wrong?

[quasi onyx]

see you hide behind tos and not the ethics of their decision should every law violator be executed

[hybrid ore]

Unfortunately Lau mission is tied in to Manhunts, otherwise that would probably be the solution.

[patent glacier]

we're all being punished with server issues

[hybrid ore]

Okay let's tone it down now. That is way too far.

[latent stone]

And thats fixed by stopping people from breaking the servers? So the rest of us can enjoy it?

You dont need to take the mission down to prevent it from being exploited. You just need to stop those who exploit it.

Everyone who plays this game agreed to ToS which includes not exploiting the game.

Even if it didn't break the game for others, that on its own is enough to justify bans.

[sturdy cape]

ultimately the devs have spoken, arguing will get you nowhere

[latent stone]

I'm just tryna support the devs here

[balmy cedar]

Someone suggested making manhunt missions like classified assignments… that could be a temporary solution

[latent stone]

It's honestly very nice of them to give a heads up and a temp consequence next even after numerous people have caused so much issues for the game for so long

[hybrid ore]

That is a genuinely interesting idea and I would love extra Fast Travel points :p

[latent stone]

Not sure I follow, in what way would they be changed to be like classified assignments?

[balmy cedar]

U can only play them once per week

[latent stone]

That would still allow the faye Lau exploit though

[elfin hazel]

making them timed and a seperate point on the map would actually be a good thing now that I'm thinkin about it

[latent stone]

Ngl I wish I had the yr1 pass just for the fast travel points but it's not worth $20 or however much it costs to me

[latent stone]

Timed would be interesting

[patent glacier]

the devs made a generous choice giving people a chance to not exploit it and actually come and tell you to not do it first

[balmy cedar]

The classified missions are pure (insert bad word) bc of the collectible puzzles 😂

[latent stone]

Agreed. Nothing is stopping them from retroactive bans but their own choice to not do so

[tender wave]

I've seen people mention they've found similar xp farms in Zoo and Coney Island missions, so I think the farmers would just head there and continue ruining the servers. Current solution pre-empts that quite nicely

[balmy cedar]

Which? The message from ubi?

[latent stone]

Setting the precedent that exploits are ban worthy can definitely assist in handling them quicker in the future, if they so choose

[tender wave]

Yeah it doesn't specify any mission, just exploiting unintended gameplay to farm

[balmy cedar]

Schaffer manhunt does have a ton of ad spawns…. But I think the more troubling one is Hornet, u can just not kill him, kill his buddies any keep wiping

[tender wave]

The problems are the ones with infinite, near instant waves spawning endlessly, those give the real xp and hammer the servers

[hybrid ore]

Yeah but that means you also have to keep playing Tidal Basin.
it's a heavy price.

[balmy cedar]

Well if u die in the the boss fight u get respawned at the boss encounter

[latent stone]

It's funny when people think they'll just stumble across an exploit like that and be banned for it

[tender wave]

Shifty must be typing a whole thesis there

[dusk jackal]

I wonder how’s the story will be if the game allows us to go permanently rogue

[potent condor]

exp farmers will definitely find something else to exploit if they've gotten over 1000 shd levels in less than 500 hours

like what's to stop these clowns

[fiery cloud]

Hey Rivens, Kettle,

[low lily]

They should fix countdown, then maybe people would play countdown over xp exploits😹

[fiery cloud]

Rivens this is the most you been on in awhile😆

Hey S3raph1te

[potent condor]

hey sapherphite

[low lily]

Damn people really kicking out below 1k shd's in countdown

[potent condor]

i don't get kicked

i'm 789

i just glitch out

game just refuses to start

[grand edge]

Which difficulty?

[low lily]

I am just checking my countdown games, all below 1k gets kicked out. Heroic

Of course in 6 runs we have only gotten to play 5 because game is a broken mess

Okey make it 7 runs

[grand edge]

That’s why I avoid heroic
Challenging is more effective for grinding anyway

[potent condor]

only time my friends kick people is cuz of the stupid loadouts and gear they have compared to the shd levels

[mighty edge]

Half the people in heroic countdown are running the worst skill builds you can imagine. you're not missing much.

[potent condor]

if i see 4 piece strikers with ninja bike and a damn random walker harris chest piece with skilled on it you're getting kicked

[latent stone]

I will 100% hit 1000 shd before 500hrs without exploits tho

I'm at 180hrs with shd 450ish

[potent condor]

yeah but expertise 22 though

at shd level 1000

[latent stone]

Oh ye no not with high expertise

[potent condor]

with about 600 hours

isn't that suspicious

[latent stone]

I'm only half way to expertise 6

[latent stone]

I dont get kicked from challenging but ive definitely been kicked from heroic, ranging from shd 270 to 450 when trying

[potent condor]

i'm expertise 10

[verbal mica]

lol countdown isnt even hard they weird. never got kicked

[latent stone]

I didnt start focusing on expertise until after 100hrs

[sour sparrow]

How are players getting sub-5 minutes on Manning Zoo? Surely they have to be cheating??

[latent stone]

Ive had many pubs fail heroic countdown

[potent condor]

i fail challenging at times with idots

it's frustrating to play this game cuz of people with 0 dps

[verbal mica]

i can understand heroic especially randoms

[latent stone]

I only fail challenging when people leave or crash

[verbal mica]

nah or you fail because everyone farms but doesnt call the extract lol done that a few times

we all just stand there and expect someone will do it so now i make sure i do

[tender wave]

Those leaderboards have always been broken - I think you can just join someone who has almost finished it and it'll only count the time you were in the game

[sour sparrow]

That's some bullcrap, their times shouldn't even go on the board. Should always from start to finish

[graceful wind]

Heh, theres a CP in NYC where enemies still spawn inside it even if you have taken it

[mental violet]

What difficulty?

[odd swift]

Trying to unlock the gunner spec , how come whenever I run viewpoint museum on hard I never get a boss named “Wade” ?

[sour sparrow]

The time trials on Hard, sub-5 is impossible from start to finish but @tender wave has said that people join at the end it counts from that time

[sour sparrow]

Is it on Invaded or no? I can't remember which one Wade is in

[odd swift]

I just click replay

[sour sparrow]

Switch it to Invaded, it should say the names of each boss on the left side

[elfin hazel]

wade is the normal end boss isnt he

[sour sparrow]

Switch the modes and look on the left in the details panel, it will say which boss

[elfin hazel]

yea wade is normal end boss

matt sidewalk johnson & marshall kelpie patterson are invaded

[hybrid ore]

Don't mention it, or I'll remember and go AFK for another 3 months :p

[fiery cloud]

🤣 😱

[odd swift]

Idk how to switch them lol

[sour sparrow]

Highlight the mission and you'll see buttons at the bottom, hold the corresponding key/button

[odd swift]

Ahh nvm

It kept going to invaded , I got it regular now

[modern stirrup]

Anyone know when theyre gonna fix the regulas craft bug

[mental violet]

Nothing is impossible. The World Record on Legendary I believe is under 16 minutes. Run a Regulus one shot build and you will easily clear that in sub 5 . I would say solo is best but you can run a duo , one player with foam and the other with a regulus build.

[sour sparrow]

Nah, Manning Zoo in under 5 minutes is impossible due to all the running around, like Kettle said, its people joining at the end

[cunning hatch]

No maintance notes?

[mental violet]

O, Ok . Yea I see what your saying now.

[sour sparrow]

I can believe getting the Legendary in sub-16 minutes using Regulus HS build tho, I've seen that build in action, absolutely SLAPS

[mental violet]

Hell yea it does. It’s the #1 Go to build used for speed runs

[lethal shuttle]

I have a terrible hot take.

SHD lvls are kind of meaningless

[sour sparrow]

Just need to do IH (haven't done it once yet sadly) for the Rav and also Regulus parts, I know the craft is broken right now but it'll probably be fixed by the time I get round to getting all the pieces

[sour sparrow]

100% agree, it's a kinda pointless system, now don't even get me started on Expertise system, can't stand it

[mental violet]

At this point in the game, when you truly think about it. What’s not pointless. The truth about expertise is that, it’s not needed anywhere in the game besides PvP . Expertise was put into the game to buy the developers time to make new content.

[icy cobalt]

Is it possible to get a Ninja Bike Backpack as a random exotic? or is level 90 unlock the only way? If possible as random is it faster to just do summit or do they drop regularly during free roam

[sour sparrow]

You need to unlock it via the Season before it is added to your general loot pool, after that just target backpacks in CD or Summit and pray to RNGesus

[icy cobalt]

ok so roam around get exp rank up

[sour sparrow]

OR, join someone who has already and have them target the backpack and they can give it to you

[icy cobalt]

oh ok

[sour sparrow]

Pretty much

[north bobcat]

can someone explain to me how im supposed to do manning in 21min?

[heavy prism]

be fas

[north bobcat]

the echo screws me over completely

cuz it takes 6 decades to complete

[fair lake]

14 mins duo run (with echo). I don't know how it's possible NOT to finish it in 21 mins

[verbal mica]

just ran into a agent in countdown. Hardcore and 2k+ shd dang

[low lily]

People play differently and skill level is different

[sour sparrow]

I got 22:20 because the echo took its time

[fair lake]

I agree, but 21 mins on HARD feels like eternity, tbh

[sour sparrow]

That was on my go-to rifle build, yet to try something else

AND I died once, I'm pretty sure the timer doesn't stop when you die xD

[fair lake]

Crocodile echo takes about 8-10 second, Emily's one takes about 15 sec

[tender wave]

it's definitely faster as a duo, but I managed 17:07 on my first run solo yesterday so that's definitely possible too. Key gains: running Lady Death through much of the mission helps because there's so much running (maybe not during the 'defend the aerial' section though). Knowing the spawns in the final area so you can kill them quick and grab that C4 helps a lot too (otherwise they tend to run off)

[fair lake]

It's also nice to have a mate under the train to insta-plant c4

[tender wave]

For reference I actually didn't run LD this time though, used a regulus HH build but with Prophet instead of Regulus

lets you one-shot almost everything at any range

even the named chungas only took a couple of hits to crack their helmet

[lost pivot]

If Faye Lau was the source of the lag, why is summit still a lagfest?

[tender wave]

is it? I ran Zoo yesterday and the lack of lag was just beautiful. The previous league's speedrun on Darpa was made way harder by the lag.

[elfin hazel]

theres more to it than just faye but faye was a good part of it

[wicked heron]

Sup boys and gyal , can someone send me a picture of the map today for lvl 40 ?

[vivid pumice]

The crashing has been game breaking for me. I tried to play with 2 friends and there was at least one crash per mission in addition to the normal random freeze when climbing over something etc.

[celest fable]

because it wasnt lol

[crystal trench]

So let me get this right you can Seller gear for IRL money, Glitch level accounts to sell, Speed run glitch and Cheat in PVP BUT if we find a way around their player gating it is a possible account life ban for something that is not even a real exploit?

(Yes you can do the farm WITHOUT the door glitch exploit!) Funny how these are the ONLY real issues that get focus from the devs?

[balmy cedar]

@low lily u in heroic countdown rn 👁️

[toxic willow]

this lad is stupiufd

so is my spelling

[low lily]

Yea

[balmy cedar]

We just ran into each other 😯

[low lily]

What's your psn?

[balmy cedar]

SpadedArrow

[low lily]

@balmy cedar trying to get a good hasburg backback, impossible to get what i want 😸

[balmy cedar]

Lol I saw the guy running eclipse had a golan backpack with status effects and creeping death

[icy cobalt]

How do i get coyote mask

[elfin hazel]

mask targeted loot

[fair lake]

Jefferson Trade Centre Coyote boss or mask targeted loot

[mild dagger]

Is there a way to matchmake without directives on? I'm getting tired of blocking everyone that uses them lol

[fair lake]

Nope, only hope for the best 🙂

[mild dagger]

RIP thanks for letting me know.

[remote arch]

it's normal the game crashes a lot during countdown games ?

[misty meteor]

Anyone else getting lost connection right now?

[fair lake]

yes, always has been since the beginning

[twin shuttle]

yes... set the dificulty you want... matchmake... when you get a pop up to join another group, dont!
dont do anything... eventually matchmake will add players to ur group instead

[cunning hatch]

Why wasn't their a maintenance patch note? What was it for if they didn't patch anything?

[naive kettle]

They patched the players lol

[graceful wind]

Sometimes its just server-side maintenance that doesnt affect the game

they've been moving servers around lately, and combining some regions and instances

They removed the separate regions from Div 1 now

div 2 is now using some of the former div 1 servers

[sacred leaf]

How much armor do u guys normally run in any given build? Sometimes it seems like 1.3m isn’t enough

Please tell me 1.3m is considered more than normal…

[low flame]

For pve no blue cores is good

[sand field]

Even if you had 2.2 million armor, you are still squishy...

[low flame]

Some can be ran such as when you’re using a shield

But when you’re not running a shield there’s no point in it

[north bobcat]

tried a couple more runs

and ive come to the conclusion that its just not happening

[sacred leaf]

I’m trying to use the sweet dreams shotgun and that requires me to get close so I thought it would be useful

[low flame]

Unless you’re using a tank build which is only used in iron horse

[sacred leaf]

Apparently not

[fair lake]

do you need a hand with this? I'm free until my clanmates ask me to join

[north bobcat]

nope

im not even gonna try again

games giving me too many problems

[worn current]

anyone noticing super lags?

[sacred leaf]

Does capacitors talent buff status effect damage caused by skills like fire turret or Chem launcher?

[viscid cargo]

no

[icy cobalt]

@fair lake I have ran it on challenging atleast 30 times the past 2 days, hasnt dropped yet ugh

[viscid cargo]

you cant get the league time for manning?

[sacred leaf]

Ahh I see, what weapon do you recommend for eclipse protocol?

[small spear]

yes, skill damage does buff status effects, but people generally use a shotgun with in sync more

[viscid cargo]

i dont use ep, but id assume something with ignited

[viscid cargo]

you sure the capacitor talent buffs status damage? i dont notice any improvements

[small spear]

yes, skill damage does buff status effects tick damage

[north iris]

i couldve sworn it doesnt

status effects arent skill damage afaik

[small spear]

ofc, this is only if you're causing said status effect with a skill

which we are, in this case

[sacred leaf]

It does

I just tested it

No stacks vs 40 stacks, there is a jump

[small spear]

if you cause burn with imperial dynasty for instance which is not a skill, you won't see an increase

[viscid cargo]

i mustve confused myself with that then, thanks for the correction

[sacred leaf]

318117 with 0 stacks and then 418k with 40 stacks it seems

[small spear]

with that said, ignited does have a place when you're speedrunning in groups, the fire EP person would light up people with fire, and then a dps role could then shoot people with pyromaniac (m4 with perfectly ignited)

[chrome kiln]

anyone know where i can submit video of cheater ? not the ingame reporting stuff. (that seems useless ) . i wanna submit video

[tender notch]

Only through the official report system (pinned in #unofficial-troubleshooting

[small spear]

that name is kinda ironic kek

[fair lake]

That's generally useless as well. Talking from my personal experience

[chrome kiln]

what's the name of that link it's listed the know issues ?

[tender notch]

"to report a player"

[graceful wind]

KVD (youtube) must be desperate for content at this point. He's made not one, not two, but THREE 30 minute videos explaining as slowly as he can about the bans. In each video he talks really slowly, and constantly repeats himself.

[runic kernel]

Just stop giving him views. I did that when he made some lengthy video about how to get the Santa outfit a few months ago when the process was 1) Log in during a certain time period, 2) done. Could've been a 30 second video

[celest fable]

did the game die for anyone else?

delta 06 services unavailable

[astral quartz]

same, but delta 03

[celest fable]

thats when get dc first, 06 is when u try to get back in

[astral quartz]

was in DZ, got error, log into another acc (stay in DC), logged... tried to relogin in that who was stuck, logged back

[celest fable]

i BeT iTs ThE fAyE LaU gLiTcHeRs FaUlT

[balmy cedar]

Lol

[fair lake]

You can't monetize 30 second video, but you can stretch the video into 10+ mins for that purpose (kamikadzevoom is one of the best examples of doing this crap)

[icy cobalt]

Why does this game make every enemy superman and your goal is to unload all your ammo just to kill a few guys but 4-5 shots from them and your dead

[worn current]

Because enemies wear kevlar and you only a hoodie

[fair lake]

That's amusing how red enemy can BRRRR your armor + health in like 2 sec if you're full red)

[icy cobalt]

I also have ran Jefferson about 40 times now still no coyote mask (on challenging)

Running 1 every 16 mins max

[river socket]

Is it me? Or it's just we can't get XP from Control Points after we captured them?

[broken plume]

Ya know, I'd really like it if killing the robot dogs had some kind of consistency as to how it will effect the other black tusk around it

Will it EMP them? Shock them? Bleed them? Nothing? Spin the wheel and find out!

[small spear]

it depends on which type of dog it is lol

[tender wave]

Depends on the type of dog and the radius of effect - eg sniper dogs cause emp in quite a large radius, grenade dogs shock in a small radius

[celest fable]

best place to farm dogs to break weakpoints?

i mean to find dogs

[twin shuttle]

yeah... challenging...

[icy cobalt]

I dont have any good loot my friend i cant do heroic without getting spanked so unless you have some magic fairy dust i can sprinkle on my gear im not sure what more to do. I attempted about 12 builds last night and only had the gear for kingmaker

Kingmaker/heartbreaker

[twin shuttle]

ur first issue is tht u trying to get a coyote mask, when u should get a memento bag... we can only use 1 exotic piece of gear afteral!

[smoky stag]

1st area of American History Museum on invaded, there's a heavy waiting for a demolisher firefly, then rinse repeat

[tender wave]

Is federal bunker invaded this week? If so, you get a bunch in the archive room. Otherwise just look for black tusk activities

[elfin hazel]

????

both of these exotics are really good

[celest fable]

what

[icy cobalt]

@twin shuttle So run summit -> Backpacks until i get it

[smoky stag]

equip a demolisher firefly, start the mission, go inside, throw a demo firefly at the chungga inside, restart mission, repeat

[celest fable]

but how do i select invaded variant

oh it is

[smoky stag]

you dont have to. its invaded this week

[celest fable]

and what difficulty?

[twin shuttle]

Or just run lincoln... do both objectives... and get some loot and XP out of it

[celest fable]

would be optimal

[smoky stag]

eh theres more elites in the choke cp4 than in lincoln.
same for iron horse railyard on discovery

without having to go thru an ENTIRE mission

[tender wave]

Could also run cleaner activities/missions in NY, almost all their archetypes have weakpoints, bit more variety than killing one weakpoint over and over

[celest fable]

@smoky stag

[smoky stag]

wat

[celest fable]

.

[smoky stag]

any

[celest fable]

its a guaranteed spawn huh?

[solemn apex]

anyway to rejoin a mission after a crash?

[smoky stag]

yes. theres also GWH on invaded. first area

[celest fable]

can ifarm the belt magazine

[smoky stag]

yes

[celest fable]

nice

how many points

is 1 weakness

nvm

i have it on the sideffs

[smoky stag]

i did mine by soloing legendary DUA until the first indoor encounter.
i killed all the npcs, then left the 3 heavies alive. using the door as protection, i shot the ammo chain on each chunggus until i reach 550. its a slow start obviously but gets faster once you get started

took me 2-3 minutes to solo the first area, then once i got inside it was about 3 belts every 20 or seconds. could be more. was done with 550 wp's with less tha 30 mins

[celest fable]

xD

wait

550!??!

[smoky stag]

10 stages is 550 broken weakpoints iirc

[celest fable]

-__-

[neon falcon]

I think it's just 500

[smoky stag]

thats why i went for 3 chungga dance right away so that my pace is 3 weakpoints per 20 seconds instead of just 1 per X

[broken plume]

Yeah I'mma keep with my inconsistent dog death theory since I killed a grenade dog right next to a normal black tusk dude and he got no debuff. Like I'm ok with it not affecting them, I just want it to be consistent

[smoky stag]

its where i always farm for weakpoints. 3 chungga belts ez