td2-general-chat

[rare vapor]

do you have door cam?

[hybrid ore]

lol nah that's not really a thing here in Aus.
shout-out to AusPost for their stellar service. I hope they enjoy that government contract.

[rare vapor]

al interesting how he/she waived the signing-of-package part

[low lily]

Do you even need to sign of packages now days

[hybrid ore]

When it's an entire laptop from a tech store: yes.

[low lily]

Dpd guy once took my secret key for my house and put package inside my house because no one was home

He was a chill guy

[hybrid ore]

Okay I'm lost here, the driver didn't "waive" anything, and the company is the one that sent the email saying that it had to be signed for.

[rare vapor]

I actually had a similar case, where i needed to wait and sign a package, worked from home for it, and the courier did not knock, nor ring bell. He simply left with my package, and gave me a slip to pick it up at the station the next day afternoon. I was stunned.

[hybrid ore]

That actually happens more often than proper delivery here in Aus.
I've had the driver pull up to the mailbox, drop in a slip, and then drive off. All while the front door was literally left wide open and I made eye contact with the Driver.

[rare vapor]

that sounds like it can be made into a meme

[hybrid ore]

The drivers are paid "by attempt" not by delivery when it's a sub-contractor, so I actually don't blame them so much as AusPost itself.

Yeah the situation here isn't great.

[granite zephyr]

Guys, is a 1500 rpm Vector with average of 160k damage with striker OK?

It's damage is 80k on lowest shot in pvp

[rare vapor]

I also had a case where I missed the delivery guy by 2 seconds, he was walking back to his delivery truck, i raced out the door and shouted for him 3 times, out loud, the walkerby all looked my way, but the driver played deaf and proceeded to casually start the vehicle and slowly drive away, with me still walking at similar distance waving and yelling but to no avail. I was short of just jolting infront of the truck.

[hybrid ore]

@granite zephyr It's not the worst thing for damage, but for building stacks I'd just go with something like an acs-12.

[rare vapor]

also if you are lazy of building stacks with another weapon, i guess it's fine.

[hybrid ore]

My uncle was a driver for a truck like that, a lot of them do wear ear protection because the inside of those trucks are deafening.

[rare vapor]

ok that's news to me. good to know.

maybe i was wrong about him. srsly short of beating him (kidding)

[hybrid ore]

Ahem.
but yeah, he might've just been ignoring you, but there's a good chance that he legit couldn't hear you.

[granite zephyr]

Yeah it's kinda bad atm cus I don't have the 20 round mag yet, wait till I get it

The darkwinter will soon be my main gun for striker

[granite zephyr]

Yeah acs 12, striker classic since division 1

[low lily]

Dark winter is good

[granite zephyr]

Yes, always fight in areas filled with low level ai. You can use the 10s boost to kill other players

[hybrid ore]

Ah, my baby. Dark Winter.
@reef reef and I are co-presidents of its fan club.

[rare vapor]

you have a fan club?

[hybrid ore]

we have t-shirts.

they say "stop laughing, its good, honest"

[rare vapor]

neat. how much?

[hybrid ore]

Sorry, you have to 3-d print your own in Haven, but on the plus side you can pet the dwarf german-shepard for free while you're there.

[rare vapor]

at least something entertaining to pass the time. when i 3d print my assets, i had to stand there and watch the resin solidify.

how come that german-shepard never grows up

[hybrid ore]

Well if it's a dwarf german shepard as it kinda looks like, then it already is grown.

[potent chasm]

What have y'all named the shepard?

[rare vapor]

Bones

[potent chasm]

How about you Rivens?

[hybrid ore]

Jeff.

[potent chasm]

That's a solid name

[dapper atlas]

Bosco

[potent chasm]

Also a good name

I named mine Deputy, since our Agent is considered Sheriff

[dapper atlas]

I like that. 😄

[echo cloud]

something really weird happened to me yesterday, i was boggled down with builds and i figured blue cores dont really make a different at all in there, i went with a full red traditional dps build and i was wreaking havoc.. in fact so much that the enemy team accused me of being a cheater and left the lobby

normally i am like 1/10 k/d in there

in conflict** sorry, failed to mention

first time i get accused of cheats, lol

maybe it was a bunch of desync stuff

i think a red umbra build is probably disgustingly bursty

im just very sad that smg's suck in pvp

[rare vapor]

smg do not suck though

it's just there are builds that melt you at a much longer distance before you can get close, rendering smg situational now and not a one trick pony like the rush-man LD.

umbra AR and Rifle builds can 1 second players in pvp at all ranges ,ez

[granite zephyr]

Hhh

[gilded perch]

Umbra have it's advantage, but in your case, umbra or anything else doesn't matter, it just because it's conflict and you are full red

In dz you can see the enemy name tag (or name tag on decoy) through wall, if they in distance

But no way in conflict, if player (noob) are not good at searching enemy, or they don't alert for enemy, obviously they will get ambush and can't reaction that

Blue can also ambush people, just enemy have more time to reaction, than ambush by red

[echo cloud]

actually they do.. they barely do any damage at all

[rare vapor]

Umbra has a different playstyle, just like it's talent suggests: from the shadows, into the light. In pvp, you are a ninja, by not moving too much like most other build players do, they move so much its easy to spot moving targets with your peripheral eye, but umbra you just hunt in cover, when people come by, you pop out and instant rek them with your rpm.

no one can trade dps with a good umbra player with that much rpm.

most things are normalized in pvp. stats, talents...but RPM stays true to boon.

[echo cloud]

yes, its a gank build, very niche playstyle, but when it comes down to it, its a burst build and burst is godlike in pvp

[rare vapor]

i treat it as a ninja build

[echo cloud]

not a ninja, its a rat build

[rare vapor]

i dont actively move around to seek players as other builds do, your main burst comes from surprise and the rpm from coming out of cover

[echo cloud]

umbra is clearly not well designed as it is pretty OP in pvp and very useless in pve

[rare vapor]

get to a crosspoint or vantage point, and just hunt players that come by.

not useless in pve, my umbra build beats everything else in raw burst dps, below stacked striker.

[echo cloud]

doubt

[rare vapor]

yeah people say that

it's fine

[granite zephyr]

Stacked striker is giga Chad build

[echo cloud]

umbra has way too much rotating uptime/downtime to be nice pve build

[knotty quail]

Umbra is crispy in PvE, I dunno what you mean

[granite zephyr]

Atriker grants critchance increase too right? If I'm not mistaken, or if it's from div 1

[rare vapor]

striker is hard to stack in pvp, so umbra is still king in pvp as of this moment

[knotty quail]

It doesn't

[echo cloud]

no

[knotty quail]

In either game

[granite zephyr]

I gotta go read now, messed up memory

[knotty quail]

RoF and Handling for Div2

Enemy armor dmg and Stability in Div1

[gilded perch]

Umbra is ok in pvp, but not op yet
Umbra have 2 issue
umbra can't join combat immediately, because need stacks few seconds
Can't stacks once you in close range combat, stay at cover is suicide if enemy close with you

[granite zephyr]

Dang, if only it was Armour damahe in div 2

[rare vapor]

whats uptime, downtime for umbra? i dont think you are suppose to stay out of cover and ignore stacking shadow buff. it's a conscious build, not for people who are too used to running around and waive cover as a mechanic for the build

just stick to cover when fights are about to engage, then pop out for any available kill with a press of a shield or whatever and shoot, the burst will net you a kill

it's definitely not a build for running around the map scouting for enemy players. it's a different style of play

[granite zephyr]

Imagine running darkwinter with umbra,
The goosebumps I'm getting rn

[rare vapor]

it's basically funny when players come looking for fights, are the ones running around and your peripheral vision spots where they are quickly, then if they come close, it's mostly an easy kill. It's just a bit more dynamic than camping snipers, and you won't miss a shot to regret everything or your own existence.

[granite zephyr]

I'm still waiting for sentry's call to be added

[gilded perch]

That's is the point
If you are 1v1, you have full stack and fight, no problem
But let's say teamfight like 4v4
Who will give you chance to stay cover and stack
If you stay at cover to get stack, your team will get rush by 4v3
If you are already in combat, stay at cover in close range is suicide thing

[rare vapor]

you are not suppose to get close for any fight to break out. you are not exclusively using smg or shotgun or anything. I main Rifle, so my range is as close or as far as i need. also i definitely wont get into cover right beside enemies in a fight. in a team of 4v4, i get into cover before any known spot for engagement or before combat breaks out, or when i spot movement. 5 seconds is pretty short to stack, and you may move to other cover to continue stacking.

you are not against camping sniper or umbra users doing the same tactic every fight

most pvpers are the same old typical bruiser pvp run and gun builds, they will move around, or come to you. you have the upperhand in direct burst.

they can even chicken dance, but i have 0 trouble with umbra vs other builds against chicken dancing.

you chicken dance i just get to land more free shots. typically my rifle only need half a clip to kill anyways. Boomerang mostly means i will not have to reload before the enemy is dead.

AR is similar i recon, maybe with a reload in there

[echo cloud]

the fact that i can only get 130k dmg per bullet with a vector in pvp, on a full red umbra build.. is sad

[rare vapor]

i believe vectors are never known for their amazing base dmg, their beauty lies in rpm brrrrrrrt, however that translates to dps or wtv.

[echo cloud]

yes obviously but the balance between damage and rpm that makes dps, and smg is just gimped in pvp

damage reduction like hell

ar's are just worlds appart and so much better than smg

and i hate that cause i want to use the smg, but id be a fool to do so

[rare vapor]

As an example for Striker, i never use fast rpm weapons, always the slow ones. I main Kingbreaker in that one, or AKM, the slower the better. I have found using famas, or police m4 or whatever fast rpm weapon, i can not one mag to kill an elite without stacking up striker first, however with Kingbreaker, my initial dmg without stacks is already so strong, i can one mag an elite and then a purple, and even a red too. Striker stacks to me at that power level is just a bonus. WHen i play fast weapons, i can feel the weakness without stacks and my focus shifts from multi kills to having to stack up first. a different way to play.

SMG in pvp i just use MPX, or Apartment, the dmg, range, and burst are all in perfect balance.

vector in pvp, never really a fan of

[echo cloud]

not to be that guy but it sounds like you are playing striker wrong.. you're "supposed" to build up stacks with acs before u do anything

[rare vapor]

i have acs as my secondary, i dont HAVE to build it up to kill everything, fast, thats the thing. it's a different mindset of play with slower weapons.

[gilded perch]

Each shot damage are not the point of vector, Unless your damage are pathetic
The advantages of vector is high burst damage by rpm, if you can kill with 1 mag, no problem, if you can't, you probably die when you reloading

[echo cloud]

yes.. and i say again

smg sucks, its not bursty just because it shoots fast..it has to hit hard too, and it doesnt.

[rare vapor]

you can try some other SMGs

i wouldn't swear by vector to be honest.

[azure lintel]

dont need acs to play striker 👍

[gilded perch]

That's why massive kill intimidate and also kill smg, no intimidate ar can 1mag, but smg can't, mostly

[echo cloud]

im doing well over twice the ammount of damage per bullet with carbine 7, than with vector.. and the rpm is not half of vector

[rare vapor]

ofc you dont need acs to play striker. you can just play fast rpm weapon so you stack fast, without acs, or play slow rpm weapon and you dont need to stack early and still be dmg house, and the stacking as you shoot is just a bonus as you go.

[smoky stag]

i dont need striker to play striker

[rare vapor]

a whole different league

[smoky stag]

real pros stack striker with white death

[azure lintel]

^^

[rare vapor]

i do it with style, i stack it with Sleigher

[fervent jacinth]

Real pros stack it with nemesis

[echo cloud]

👍

[echo cloud]

hmm.. can perfect focus drop in darkzone if it has targeted loot or no=?

[gilded perch]

LZ only, according spreadsheet

[echo cloud]

yeah but targeted loot in dz is really weird atm..

[gilded perch]

How

You get prefect focus in dz or?

[echo cloud]

its not contaminated

[smoky stag]

known "issue"

[gilded perch]

Ah, that's how they "fix" issue

[smoky stag]

they fucked it up trying to fix target loot not working

[gilded perch]

Btw they also trying to fix trap and fucked up TWICE

[echo cloud]

when are they gonna increase our stash size :| its seriously way too small

[unborn ravine]

They literally can't any more.

[echo cloud]

wdym

[unborn ravine]

They can't. Code won't let them.

[echo cloud]

thats nonsense :D

[unborn ravine]

It use to be 150.

[echo cloud]

thats maybe an excuse they told, but its nonsense

[unborn ravine]

Or something like that.

[plucky pumice]

make mule alts or have a clean out

[gilded perch]

Ya it may an excuse, it may also true
I prefer it's just
you can see 30player in one raid, so it's able of 30player in one game, but it also make server being unstable
Size may can be more than 150, but server or coding or something else go wrong

[low lily]

Servers can't handle yeah

Damn remember when we got like 15 plus people in div1 missions

All people went to elevator, there was no room so it started pushing people tru walls

[gilded perch]

I hope last stand in div2🥲

[unborn ravine]

Devs have said no since day 1...same with survival..

[oak prawn]

Gm yall

[low lily]

It's 1pm smh......

[echo cloud]

Nunnu — Today at 11:31
It's 1pm smh......

why u lying

[low lily]

Time moves different for us here

Time is just concept that we all agreed with no reason

[echo cloud]

no its not

time is based on the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom

(actually)

[low lily]

Numbers are still made up

[tender wave]

At a specific gravitational pull (and relative speed, I guess?)

[oak prawn]

It's close to 6 am here

[fallow geyser]

good morning agents

[oak prawn]

GM

[silk otter]

Looking to start raiding. What build should i go with. Im thinking going with heartbreaker with coyotes for dmg and surviability. Or should i build a specific high end build?

[elfin hazel]

standard red dps build from the spreadsheet pinned in #td2-build-advice is a safe idea

[fair lake]

New apparel event is good, but...
Where is 2000 + 1000 credits+ outfit bundle in the store?

[elfin hazel]

sometime later™

[silk otter]

Ahh thx....

[knotty quail]

Has the event started?

[fair lake]

Also, cuz I don't have tons of time, F10 was the best way to do these apparel events in a day. Now, it's gonna be long, thanks to the "fix"

[hybrid ore]

Apparel Event starts in about a week, next Weekly Reset.
as of right now: 5 days and 18 hours.

[distant oak]

You can always play the game like it was intended? By actually doing stuff in stead of mindlessly repeating floor 10?

[fair lake]

And I did it. For 2000+ hours
Now I want a quick way, because, maybe you read through the lines, I don't have enough time to play. Like 5-7 hours a week

[dark matrix]

quit your job then

[fair lake]

Big brain move 👌

[distant oak]

This apparel event usually last for 2 or 3 weeks.

[dark matrix]

to be honest though I will play during it but if I get all of em good, if not I won't let FOMO do me in

[distant oak]

And if I'm not mistaken you can buy the caches from the apparel event?

[dark matrix]

it seems pointless to grind f10 to finish an event quick to then what, look flashy while doing f10 again?

[safe wraith]

It's a quick way, that's all there is to it

[fair lake]

Not at all. I play div2 once a week to do seasonal events - manhunt (30-50 mins), league (40-50 mins), apparel event (was about 2 hours, now I don't know).
There are other games which I want to play, but I just like going back to the Division 2 from time to time.
Also, what is wrong with me, using Floor10? Does it make any kind of damage to you? Why you even care)

[oak prawn]

well the SHD paragon is the spec outfits im not gonna waste my pre creds on the event

the gunner outfit looks pretty cool

[dark matrix]

it doesn't impact me personally but let's be honest LFG used to be choking full of people just looking to do f10 and nothing else

then when you do get some high levels that way I often see some people have no clue what they're doing

[rich shadow]

this!!!

[dark matrix]

I even saw new players being advised into locking themselves up in floor 10 instead of playing the game

they got so much to see but instead what, floor 10 lmao

[rich shadow]

SHD lvl 8000, IQ 69

[dark matrix]

at the end of the day they can do what they want of course, I just feel in the end it's detrimental to their own experience

[fair lake]

People were trying to grind some xp fast. Remember convoy XP farm (black tusk one, near tidal basin)
But I agree, that sometimes we see 15000+ SHD agent being useless trash in "youtube" build on legendary

[dark matrix]

well that's sort of similar, just the same activity over and over

[oak prawn]

it was good for getting those event caches though

[dark matrix]

and yeah it is a grindy game and there is repetition of course, I just feel that they need to do something to make everything feel more rewarding

but I don't think floor 10 was it at all

and well, there's the materials yes you get from the watch, the levels themselves as well but they're not mandatory to experience most of the game

I do get them being a problem in PvP though

but still they need a good build as a foundation

[fair lake]

Since we have no alternative in terms of time/reward.... F10 was simply the best

[dark matrix]

objectively it was, but at the same time it became a bit too dominant

I have to ask what were people ever grinding for anymore

will you use each and every item in the apparel event?

I find that most players don't

[safe wraith]

Sometimes, you may just wanna use a memey build. It appears majority of people here just didn't play the game enough. You're trying to fit everything onto high SHD, and use f10 as it's cause, which is laughable.

[dark matrix]

no I don't care what SHD level people got

it was just a byproduct of it

but what in this game is so hard to obtain though apart from activity specific items?

hell I put together a full red HB build reasonably fast and there was a good amount of RNG level due to it coming only with blue cores

[safe wraith]

The amount of "omg this player high shd but he's so bad!!", meanwhile shd 800

[dark matrix]

I just said as one of my points not my whole issue with it

but high SHD players that can't handle themselves aren't gamebreaking or that annoying to me, just a funny in general

it shows they got stuck in a routine for so long they can't really handle other types of situation ingame now

[fair lake]

I like mixing clothes from different events. Sometimes looks cool. Sometimes it's just a meme + random stuff

[safe wraith]

People love to contradict themselves

[fair lake]

Also, the perfectionist feeling 🙂

[safe wraith]

"Shd is just a number" "wow high shd bad gameplay, what a bad and laughable player"

[dark matrix]

understandable, but it's a lot of FOMO they put into the games nowadays

[fair lake]

Can't agree more

[dark matrix]

ok where did I contradict myself

I misunderstood then my bad

I am personally hoping that in year 5 they hopefully get experienced enough with the game and working on it to give us some good stuff

they could redo the projects we get to send us in a number of different activities but reward us significantly for it

I'd say even boost raid and pvp exp gains to give people an incentive to do em

besides fun that is ofc

I'd want that too

Countdown has the sort of effort put into it that shows me they got the skills

I feel like they did Leagues best in terms of a newer or less involved player

they don't take long, just take being prepared for some decent goodies

they draw out apparel events a bit too long

[fair lake]

• New raid
• New directives
• College Kenly rework
• New Global Events
• New enemies
• Legendary difficulty for every mission
• New game mode
• New commendations
• New hunter puzzles
• Heroic leagues

That's the fastest what I thought about

Besides fixing multiple issues, of course

[dark matrix]

I'd even like the regular non-stronghold missions to have white tusk as enemies with the same objectives at least

so less overall work but more challenge

but a proper legendary would be best ofc

I agree, but it's got a good looking map, attention to detail too

voiceovers for each activity in it also

[hybrid ore]

Isn't a new game mode already confirmed? Descent or something.

[dark matrix]

yea

curious to see if they keep the same standards, I would hope they do

I have to also wonder what if by any chance they meant the Pentco to be a raid location years ago

but was reused for CD now

[low lily]

I person would say that they should've done something's else besides raids, IH is good but DH is boring as hell

Nahh new raid would be too much work

[granite zephyr]

Just made a

[low lily]

Would it tho

[granite zephyr]

Heartbreaker build

[low lily]

Have even 25% of playerbase completed the raid on normal

[granite zephyr]

I'm not touching the raid until I have collected every other exotics

[dark matrix]

see if they made it actually rewarding except for the items I imagine it would have more traffic

[granite zephyr]

Just got the mantis today

[dark matrix]

say you do a raid this week and you can activate a significant exp boost for a few days

[low lily]

There is a lot solo players, also casual players who mainly aim for content they can solo

[oak prawn]

i hear its gonna be start out with bare minimum and you can get skills along the way

[granite zephyr]

Dang, grinded 9 exotic crates today

Endless challenging+ Heroic countdown non stop

The torture

[dark matrix]

why are you making it a torture then

[low lily]

4% of PlayStation playerbase have complete DH 😅😅

[fiery cloud]

@dark matrix a raid is good for1-3 season lvls

[low lily]

On normal i think it is

[dark matrix]

yeah I think it needs a bit more incentives

[granite zephyr]

I like it

2 exotics per about an hour, it's worth

[dark matrix]

you like torture hmm

[granite zephyr]

And sometimes I get free exotic components cus the team-mate keeps getting Backfire

[low lily]

From PlayStation trophies????@safe wraith

[granite zephyr]

Free loot

[fiery cloud]

When I do raids I just normally see the same people and every so often new people

Alot of newbies do discover then complain they can't open the end box

[low lily]

And consider it's 4% on DH, then if we lucky it's like 2% on IH

[fiery cloud]

Not wanting to do it on normal

[granite zephyr]

Go big or go home

Never did stronghold on hard or normal, always heroic or legendary

[low lily]

At this point they should let them get exotics on discovery

[fiery cloud]

I gave away 2 ebs and 1 ravenous yesterday

[low lily]

Like who cares if they get them in discovery

[timber hatch]

And what percentage of players even finished the base game. Those numbers aren't a good indication of how many end game players have done the raid and counts everyone who bought the game and played it for 15 minutes.

[fiery cloud]

Discovery is baby mode

[fair lake]

still can be circus

[fiery cloud]

Hey Raucey

[summer frost]

Yeah, free weekend trials and stuff too

[fiery cloud]

Normal has a lot more to it than discovery

[summer frost]

Hey saph

[fiery cloud]

Hey Bayes

[silk otter]

So the 4% is with discovery mode. So the real raid mode must be under 1% Makes destiny look like a raiding succes... 😂

[low lily]

I think it's normal

Trophy was before discovery came out

[fair lake]

No offence, but raiding on gamepads.... I mean, it's difficult

[low lily]

But it could count on discovery also tho

[desert crystal]

its not

[silk otter]

No because i just did the discovery 4 the first time and got the thophy

[low lily]

It was pretty long below 1% tho i remember

Ohh then it for sure below 2

[fair lake]

for KB user who tried it for the first time - it's difficult xD

[desert crystal]

you mean for people that have allways used a controler it wont be

[oak prawn]

ive tried it as well its wonky for me and i use to play gamepad but havent in a while so it was weird for me

ive grown so customed to K&M

[fair lake]

gamepads are cool for racing, fighting, platforming, adventuring. But shooters are not my cup of tea with them 🙂

[summer frost]

What is it that make raids especially hard for gamepads compare to any other content?

[desert crystal]

ive allways used a controler since i started on console anyway

[oak prawn]

SURE US k&m users are cool but controller has aim assist on most games so

[timber hatch]

On playstation:

Only 84% of players got to grand Washington, the very first mission.

36% to DUA and level 30

[summer frost]

Also, this game being pve means aim assist is quite generous

[oak prawn]

for cod aim assist saves lives

[desert crystal]

whats that

[summer frost]

Your pointer will follow a drone for example

[oak prawn]

aim assist is where controller players really dont have to aim

just aim at a target

[silk otter]

1.3% on iron horsie

[timber hatch]

12% have beaten keener/wony

[low lily]

Cod aim assist is insane

[summer frost]

If you zoom on an enemy it will zoom directly to the head

[desert crystal]

do you not have that anyway

[oak prawn]

not on K&M no

closest thing we have is soft aim but thats tech cheating

[low lily]

I was talking about controller

[oak prawn]

wrong mention my bad

sorry bout that

[low lily]

But yeah aim assist on some point is needed but sometimes it more liability than anything else specially with div2

[oak prawn]

unless we plug in a controller we do not have aim assist

[desert crystal]

dose keyboard and mouse not have that

[oak prawn]

no

we would have to download soft aim

[low lily]

Why would you even need aim assist on k&m tho

[oak prawn]

my point

[desert crystal]

so the game runs the same as it would for console if you use a controler then

[low lily]

I also wanna see more games allowing k&m on consoles

Would be good imo

[oak prawn]

that would be unfair in so mnay ways

take siege for example

[low lily]

So games could make crossplay more fair?

[oak prawn]

plugging a K&M into a console is kinda unfair to actual controller players

siege is a good example playing k&m on console gives you so many advantages faster flicks faster time to react

[desert crystal]

so your saying if the game detects a playstation controler it runs exactly the same as it would on a playstation then

[knotty quail]

No, MNK just lets you turn faster

Unless you turn up the sensitivity on the analog, but then your neutral game is pain

[granite zephyr]

So guys, the fire sticky bomb flare, making contact with rogues light them into flames without exploding

I shot it directly onto a rogue, direct hit, fricking burned and died

[novel laurel]

When you use MnK on seige you are getting the aim assist as well because it thinks you are on controller

Controller for close range fighting - MnK for precise shooting. Mid-long range

Also Varys on player skill

[fervent jacinth]

I can't believe I'm abt to say this
But
We need a
PvE only dark zone

[desert crystal]

any one eles here have nvidia

[hybrid ore]

I've got one of their cards, sure.
@fervent jacinth Been suggested since div1, ain't gonna happen any time soon, probs ever.

[atomic isle]

What's current best way to gain xp? still lvl 10?

[fervent jacinth]

That's
Very
Sad

[lapis junco]

Surface level thinking

Siege doesnt allow m&k in the first place

[lapis junco]

Not exactly

It depends on the game. If the game already has insanely strong aim assist (cod)

to the point of soft aimbot, theres no advantage for a m&k player

rotational aim assist is the big issue. trivializing the most difficult aspect of aiming is just dumb

flicking/making long moves then stopping suddenly. is significantly harder then tracking a player moving unpredictably and sometimes quickly accurately. which is exactly what rotational aim assist trivializes

Tracking accurately is insanely difficult. even for PC players, so giving console players a ton of rotational aim assist is just stupid.
in an ideald world. Console and PC never touch each other, they play exlcusively against each other. But that will never happen

[oak prawn]

Well sadly many games are going the cross-platform route

[lapis junco]

may have gotten a little carried away

[novel laurel]

I think Xbox and PlayStation should be cross play for all games. pve games or non competitive games or games that aren't shooters would be fine with full cross play

[lapis junco]

I meant console and PC yea. Idc about ps vs xbox. same level or aim assist so who cares

[tender wave]

yeah that's always been the case - it's useful for EP builds on lower difficulties (eg during speedruns) because the fire chem launcher will often kill an enemy outright with its intial explosion damage and not actually set them on fire - meaning no fire gets spread to others nearby. Fire sticky circumvents that by causing fire on impact and only exploding when you trigger it

[reef reef]

Why
Do You
Talk
Like
This

[oak prawn]

aspect is out lurking keeping an eye on the server

[reef reef]

as always

[rough mango]

yo

[brisk bridge]

It's William Shatner's secret Discord account.

[gusty dove]

who now

[brisk bridge]

Are you kidding me?

[opal owl]

hi

sorry i don't know where to ask, but can anyone help me with the dz? it been 1.5 year or even more xD i'm rusty

[gusty dove]

i'm not from the US so idk them

[opal owl]

and used to div1 dz now

nvm found it

[brisk bridge]

Actor. Star Trek, man. Captain James T Kirk.
(I'm not from the US either.)

[gusty dove]

been going more in the dz lately myself, rn as well

[opal owl]

can i join you?

it been... so long xD

[gusty dove]

sure

[opal owl]

yess, which call to join?

[gusty dove]

idm lmao

[opal owl]

i'm in group voice 1

[reef reef]

i've, always seen, shatner's, speech, something like, this

[oak prawn]

hey fear you gotta see this

[hybrid ore]

It really is a shame that people see him only as a meme. The dude was a fantastic actor back in the day.

[reef reef]

i'm not saying he wasnt, just poking fun at his speech patterns

[hybrid ore]

He played that up more later on, that wasn't the case early in his career.
To see what I mean, go see the first Star Trek movie.
aaaanyway, div2. I could genuinely see him as a LMB general, maybe as the first Pres that dies or something. In the div movie.

[brisk bridge]

Denny Crane!

Dude is 90.

[low lily]

Amm is something going on with orbit?

[hybrid ore]

What's that about Orbit?

[low lily]

I picked up one just 5 minutes ago same with a friend she extracted after picking up one we can't find them i should have 1 in backback, felt like they dissapeared....

Gonna check after getting one again

I have other loot and have only 3 things in backback just in case saved video

[hybrid ore]

Have you checked Stash/Contaminated?

[low lily]

Yeah that i checked i didn't extract it should've been there

Wait no i am dumb targeted loot is still bugged, instantly goes to inventory

🫂

[dense ermine]

is there something different with how containers determine loot compared to drops from enemies? I swear 90% of the time i just get purples from them regardless of difficulty

[reef reef]

most containers drop loot that is normal difficulty appropriate, regardless of your chosen difficulty level

[dense ermine]

ahh that'll do it then, thank you for the insight

[viscid cargo]

servers down? i cant login to ubisoft connect

[jolly kettle]

Sometimes it helps restart router or change network. Restart pc

[potent lava]

can i put a non-build screenshot in #td2-build-advice for advice

question about a specialization research stage

[brisk bridge]

Ask in #ask-td2-community

[lunar pollen]

anyone know where the snitch is this week?

[oak prawn]

Everyone has different Spawns

[plush otter]

snitch doesnt have a global location, he has spots he can spawn at and everytime you get near a spot the game may spawn him, with a cooldown aswell.

at the bottom of this site there is a map with a few of his locations, just check a few of them and usually you will find in after a few
https://rubenalamina.mx/the-division-weekly-vendor-reset/

[lunar pollen]

ok

[proven briar]

what is the setting to see the green gear set like blue

[smoky stag]

accessibility > color blind settings > pick whichever

[potent lava]

The Raven in the Zoo, it says i need to kill him by first destroying his ammo pack. i've did it twice and it wont complete.

im guessing the ammo pack is the little pack on his lower back, it explodes whn you shoot it, idk what to do to complete it. should i finish the mission? cause ive just killed my self twice, respawned, and killed him again and it wont

[echo cloud]

why on earth, doesnt my expertise level increase when im using the same gear a lot? doesnt make sense, this system is the worst

you'd think playing the same gun for 1000 raids would make me better witt he gun, but nah, i gotta use a bunch of other guns to be better with it what.. pls this system is a joke

[smoky stag]

because you need to make as many gear as you can proficient before your expertise increases

[echo cloud]

i really hate this

[smoky stag]

every item/gear you make proficient increases your expertise, which in turn increases the number of upgrades you can apply

so you have to use all gear, all guns OR
you can use what you like and then farm and donate the gear you're trying to proficient

[echo cloud]

is it better to donate gear or donate materials btw?

which one is more efficient

[smoky stag]

gear when theres still a lot (brandsets, gearsets, all junk weapons in general)
the more you get proficient, the harder it will be to farm specific items (like famas, named items, exotics)
when it comes to that point, start donating materials. most of us went the printer filament route, farming skill mods, or leveling up via F10 for scavenging points or doing WONY runs for scav points and shared mats.

[potent lava]

pick up everything mark it as junk, go to expertise table and donate all junk, boom

fast af boi

[echo cloud]

i did that and it wont donate anything, for some reaosn

[potent lava]

it is, just nothing happens or you might be marking gear that youre already proficient in ans junk

[echo cloud]

k

[potent lava]

im like halfway proficient with almost everything in the game, and proficient with like 25 things, expertise lvl 5. but here soon when i start getting proficient with all this stuff im gonna get lvls really fast

[echo cloud]

are you using the items you are trying to levelup or just donating

[potent lava]

i dont really pay attention to using gear to make it proficient. i do that naturally by building different builds ad using them

[smoky stag]

if im trying to level up say, Brazos, i farm brazos as target loot, pick up everything as junk and donate everything thats marked junked. no need to use the gear i dont like using, like umbra

[potent lava]

it is the fastest way to get a single item or gear proficient to use the set/gun but in the long run it ends up not mattering too much

[echo cloud]

right, gotcha

i still think this is stupid system =D

coomplete nonsense

[smoky stag]

if im leveling a specific gun, say, acr-e, and most of my ARs are already proficient, i just spend scavenging points on printer filaments, donate 3000 of em and done. or I buy/farm skill mods, deconstruct them until i get enough printer filaments to donate

[potent lava]

bbut yeah just donate, but also theres a thing people do ways to get alot of money and buy yellow named gear/items. yellow name or exotic gear you only have to donate TWENTY PIECES to get proficient, so if you can buy 20 yellow name gear and donate all your proficient instantly

[echo cloud]

ahh, so pay attention to vendor reset, eh?

[smoky stag]

take advantage of yaahl being on clan vendor
buy as much as you can to donate

as you'll have a hard time farming it anywhere else

[echo cloud]

does giving a yaahl glove increase expertise for the whole set, btw?

[smoky stag]

yes

[echo cloud]

ok

[smoky stag]

you need about 100 i think

[echo cloud]

yikes

[smoky stag]

yaahl wasnt available on vendo when i did mine
i just leveraged my SHD into printer filaments for exotics, named items i didnt use, have or are dz exclusives

[echo cloud]

this weekly clear 30 floors of the summit

keeps tricking me into thinking i want to play summit

every time i got here im instantly tilted at how bad it is

if they posted a patch notes tomorrow saying, "we have permanently deleted the summit from the game" my reaction would be "good"

[iron adder]

every weekly is to clear 30 floors of summit, and the devs have basically deleted summit player base with the floor 10 XP fix

if you want exotics, challenging countdown has probably 10x exotic per time investment with countdown bucks

[echo cloud]

i dont even need exotics

its just one of those "weekly things to do"

but its so not worth doing considering how trash the experience of goign to summit is

[potent lava]

i think they shouldve left floor 10 alone tbh

[oak prawn]

Nah I think they did the right thing

All people were running was floor 10 and when they had to do other activities they had no idea how to play. Besides there are other ways to powerlevel

I mean take CD for example floor 10 farmers have no idea how to play CD I've met lower SHD levels with more knowledge

[thorn steeple]

Hey is the division 2 a game I can play start to finish with a friend?

Thinking about getting it as a coop game but im not sure how coop friendly it is

[oak prawn]

It's Co-op friendly

And yes

Just both gotta do the introduction mission solo then after you can play

[thorn steeple]

Is there real build variety or "play the meta or you lose"?

[gusty dove]

i'm not even following the meta and i play fine on heroic

[thorn steeple]

This game seems to have the holy trinity (tank, dps, support), does that stay true to endgame?

[wet igloo]

Yes

There’s variety of gear that utilizes different parts in the holy trinity

[thorn steeple]

Bias aside, would you guys recommend the game to 2 people looking to play together? In its current state?

[summer frost]

Darpa and pentagon are too long

[smoky stag]

nah they fucked up
now lower levels have no way to catch up to the very people with high shds they were complaining about
alot of the people who were on floor 10 were doing it for the proficiency/expertise, mats to apply on WONY runs, and exotics which you need for expertise upgrades.

[wet igloo]

I suppose it’s in a good state to play

[summer frost]

For sure, it's fine for solo, its definitely in great shape for friends

[summer frost]

I never got this idea of catching up, what are you catching up with? It's pve so you just go on your own journey and build your own builds. The shd level doesn't make any difference.

[smoky stag]

pure tanks are no use this game except for very niche situations in raids

[smoky stag]

if it didnt then why did people complain?
gameplay wise it doesnt, but in PVE where you are grinding for a lot of mats, people with high shd can leverage those levels into scavenging points, which means optimized gear, expertise upgrades

[summer frost]

Expertise is a fancy sticker book but it has little to no impact on the gameplay

[smoky stag]

"we will remove expertise in PVP"

[summer frost]

A 1k and a 10k players can coexist no problem

[smoky stag]

exactly my point
but no, people HAVE to complain, right?
cant have people with high shd running around while here i am stuck in lower levels because i dont wanna be efficient because hurr durr exploit

[granite zephyr]

Why
Not
It
Is
Kinda
Entertaining

[reef reef]

that was legit like 6 hours ago

[granite zephyr]

I saw a 20k teaching a 130 in the DZ

[reef reef]

like i appreciate the response but 6 hours, my guy

[granite zephyr]

There's no such thing as too late, there can always be a response

[smoky stag]

time is endless

[granite zephyr]

Like a father teaching a son how to play catch

[wet igloo]

My gif recommendations are kinda off today

[granite zephyr]

Why?

[wet igloo]

1. Alex jones

2. Chainsaw man

3. 1 billion dollars

[granite zephyr]

Same

I have that too

4.storm

[wet igloo]

I’m more stumbled about chainsaw man being there

[granite zephyr]

Guys, how is a person with 6 shield cores, dealing high enough damage to instantly melt another 6 shield core?

[smoky stag]

stacking on amps and other multiplicatives to damage maybe

[echo cloud]

damn dude why do my pristine examples always roll headshot damage

[granite zephyr]

It's an all yellow, and the stuffs are blue

[smoky stag]

have you tried farming more? its just rng

[granite zephyr]

Impossible

[echo cloud]

what you think im doing xD

[smoky stag]

lol

[granite zephyr]

I farmed mods in the darkzone last time, went well, for some reason my server is dead

[granite zephyr]

Or you tried countdown?

[echo cloud]

yes..

[granite zephyr]

Got 5 pristine examples yesterday

4 rolled headshot

[echo cloud]

see thats what im saying

[granite zephyr]

1 rolled somn else

But I didn't care so I just put it in stash

[echo cloud]

i got a really pretty one but its hs instead of crit chance

im trying to get one with crit chance and crit damage, but its not easy

[smoky stag]

i got all 4 for my characters with crits within 1-2 hours of summit (pre-countdown, no 10F)

[granite zephyr]

I got one with crit chance and damage but chance is real low

But I don't bother optimizing

Expensive

[echo cloud]

i cant post pictures here, so... #td2-build-advice

[smoky stag]

thats why you farm on legendary 😉
when you get the right rolls, the amount you need to optimize is usually less

[granite zephyr]

That, would be great for my Nemesis build

Snipe players while they attach loot

[echo cloud]

focus and nemesis? oh my

[smoky stag]

works for situations where you cant stack headhunter

[echo cloud]

you trying to kill t he dude for his next 10 respawns or what

killing him 10 times in one shot

[granite zephyr]

Perhaps

It's either the nemesis or the white death

[echo cloud]

and yeah i would farm legendary if there was any targeted loot for it on legendary except fkn summit, im not stepping foot in that disgusting place ever again

im serious

[granite zephyr]

Have 4 people run status effect and Scorpio

[echo cloud]

no.

[granite zephyr]

Did that, went well

[smoky stag]

F100 or F90

[fervent jacinth]

Oh jst put on a pure armour build with scorpio and the setup and zero f's and chill out and have a teammate use a skill build

[echo cloud]

from this day forth, i will consider summit not existing, so if you talk about it i will filter it out of my system like i didnt hear it. like the droids in westworld. this doesnt look like anything to me

[granite zephyr]

Yeah, like farming floor ten but no xp

Loot stil drops

[smoky stag]

good luck to you then

[smoky stag]

100 has XP if you complete it and have an alt with checkpoint

[echo cloud]

why would u run zero f in a build like that when tardigrade would do the same thing but for ur whole team?

just out of curiosity

catharsis enjoyer?

[smoky stag]

because someone already has tardigrade 😄

[echo cloud]

?

[smoky stag]

is there a point to more than 1 person running tardigrade in a team

[echo cloud]

are u really gonna farm with 2 tanks?

[smoky stag]

is that what you got out of that?

[echo cloud]

yes

"pure armor build with zero f's" = tank
tardigrade on another..so two tanks?

doesnt make sense

[smoky stag]

the one with tardi can be any build
ive seen healers with tardi, dps with tardi, hybrid dps/tank with tardi
its just a possibility of why he runs unbreakable
for all we know he has memento

[warm raptor]

Is Ongoing Directive not working with vile on summit?

[echo cloud]

bro i think u didnt read anything he said lol

[smoky stag]

i didnt

[echo cloud]

ur talking about something completely different

[echo cloud]

so.. making a new character... i gotta grind unlock everything

amost nothing is shared across account.. thats kinda sad

specializations etc

not really alt friendly i guess

[slender atlas]

Anyone know if the bulwark and future backpack and chest are still locked behind the raid or they open drops now

[quick wolf]

They're in the general loot pool now. No longer Raid exclusives.

[thorn steeple]

Is there a way to ping?

[timber hatch]

No

[novel laurel]

If you boost to warlords it gives you spec and all that

[wet igloo]

I feel like that should exist

[gilded perch]

Wdym, you can apply vile by hollow point or?

[echo cloud]

wait what

explosive resistance is not affected by hazard protection

damn

[quick wolf]

I just had the fatest gigachad moment ever. We somehow managed to get through a heroic countdown with 4 people left by the time we did the main objective. And to top it off we killed the four hunters at the end while holding our own against the BT. This is in addition to getting the worst extraction spot with the dead end.

[keen rock]

hello

[quick wolf]

pog moment.

[fiery cloud]

Hey Bark, Rakey

[quick wolf]

Henlo.

[rapid tundra]

I have been farming for catharsis for 2 days and overall have gotten 7 coyotes masks majority godrolls for myself and squad. And 7 viles 😭 trolling rngesus

[potent lava]

I feel like I tend to get the same thing over and over again through caches

I opened ten exotic caches yesterday and got 8 backfires and 2 bluescreens lmao

[rapid tundra]

Same I’ve only gotten vile and chameleon

Backfires as well smh

[potent lava]

I get backfire so much I was thinking about making an anti-bleed backfire build 😆

It's talent actually is really strong

[echo cloud]

backfire is quite poo

[midnight inlet]

anyone need an extra person? i just came back after a looooooong break

[potent lava]

If you could nullify the bleed effectively the talent is really strong for damage

But yeah, useless otherwise, I'm not sure how much it would take to completely nullify the bleed

[echo cloud]

no.. backfire is bait. the talent is strong, yes, but the base gun isnt.. and the ammount of compromise you have to make to be immune to bleed is significant, and it will impact your overall damage output.. the end result is that backfire is utterly mediocre

[potent lava]

That's pretty much what i just said lmao

[granite zephyr]

Guys I can't believe it

[echo cloud]

i see ppl making backfire build for years and they're all really bad gimmick builds, and not remotely comparable to proper dps build

[gusty dove]

just deconstruct backfire, ez. wont have to worry about it again 😄

[granite zephyr]

6 extractions in a row, no people intervened

[echo cloud]

here's something else i dont understand.. armor regen builds.. i see a lot of them.. and im testing it myself, with catharsis, emperors guard, all that.. 42% protection from elite, 2 mill armor, a fixer drone and just over 60k armor regeneration.. guess what.. 1 solo elite hyena on heroic can kill me when i stand still

its really trash..

[granite zephyr]

I never trust any Armour regen

Sounds good, but if someone has more firepower than your regen it is still useless

[gilded perch]

Do you have belstone?

[granite zephyr]

Nah,

[rapid tundra]

Literally just got another coyote

[echo cloud]

belstone, 2p golan, emperor, catharsis

[rapid tundra]

All I want is catharsis 😭😭

[echo cloud]

its teh big suck

[gilded perch]

Why don't belstone but using emperors guard

[rapid tundra]

Because I’m going for a specific build with catharsis

[granite zephyr]

Meanwhile I'm going for something like Coyotes mask with picaro+ Heartbreaker

Picaro is free blue and red

[echo cloud]

but a useless set bonus

[rapid tundra]

If you were in my squad you would have both lol. I’ve gotten 5 picaros too 😂 gave them to my clanmates

[thorn steeple]

Can you get apparal caches through normal gameplay or real money only?

[echo cloud]

normal

u get them all over

[thorn steeple]

Is it fair or pretty limited?

[echo cloud]

i have millions

[thorn steeple]

Like, how hard are they begging you to spend money on lootboxes?

[granite zephyr]

Eh. I don't use it for set bonus

[rapid tundra]

Same 😂 must be a sign

[echo cloud]

no but using picaros deprive you of a slot that could be used for a set bonus.. u are trading 15% weapon damage for something else

or rather, 170k armor

[potent lava]

Picaro is great, +15% weapon damage and +170k armor

[echo cloud]

hello, hello.. read what was said, read what was said.. hello hello.. everyone in here just making statements unrelated to anything

like a fish tank in here

attention span 0

[gusty dove]

picaros is great, even in the dz

[rare vapor]

[potent lava]

It was a reply to your statement that they were useless because of the lost set bonus....

[granite zephyr]

Set bonus like what? Assault rifle damage? I don't need that when I have universal damage boost don't I?

[echo cloud]

i did not say they were useless.

[granite zephyr]

Plus I just substitute for my lack of damage with Coyote,

[echo cloud]

i said the set bonus is useless

[potent lava]

Exactly, it's one piece, I have 5 more slots to figure out my set bonuses

[echo cloud]

but you have to think further than that. show me a build where picaro is best in slot. i dont think there is one

[granite zephyr]

Well I never used it for the set bonus

[potent lava]

I use fox's prayer and picaro, and it's stronger then if I use set pieces that give more damage set bonuses

[granite zephyr]

Your best is different from others best, some use it for bonus, some use it for damage, don't determine what is 'best' on your own books

[gusty dove]

this

[echo cloud]

bruh

[granite zephyr]

Yes

[granite zephyr]

I once ran picaro, punchdrunk and fox prayers with some other yellows,damage was godly

[echo cloud]

i am almost certain that ceska/grupo/providence combos will beat picaros in any high end build

for pure damage output

[gilded perch]

Imagine, destruct picaro to 10weapon dmg, 5weapon dmg, 10 skill haste, and 1 attribute

[rare vapor]

what is this debate about man? is Picaro BiS or wut?

[echo cloud]

well, im saying its not

[smoky stag]

pretty good on high end memento regulus headhunter build (if you can roll the core to red)

[gilded perch]

Then it's 1 attribute vs 10 weapon damage
Compare with 1piece WH

[echo cloud]

and the others are talking about personal bias, so its hard to have a convo with them

[rare vapor]

it's great on non crit and glass oriented builds, else it's pretty replaceable.

[echo cloud]

picaro will only be interesting to me when i can have 30% weapon damage from it

[smoky stag]

same

[rare vapor]

you really dont need the brand bonus as where all the dmg is coming from if you all damage, and using Picaro is some free armor. it's a choice. But for me it's much better on hybrid and tankier builds

[echo cloud]

picaro set bonus and free damage stat on it screams that it wants to be put on a weapon damage + skill damage hybrid build.. paired with something like capactior and an combined arms etc. the problem is those builds are not very impressive in my book =D

[rare vapor]

losing out on 6% chc or 12% chd is worse than gaining 1 blue core worth of survivalbility. If you play builds that don't care or focus on crits, Picaro is pretty BiS in most cases.

but then you have momento, so the gain is similar, pick both if you want too

[echo cloud]

i can see picaro capacitor memento working in some seeker mine run and gun hybrid build

for solo clearing misc stuff

[rare vapor]

frankly solo you can run all blues for the world to care

[echo cloud]

yeah

[slender atlas]

How do i get iron works base material

[rare vapor]

most arguments involves around the effectiveness of such pieces in builds that benefit in group play

[granite zephyr]

Memento, picaro, punchdrunk, foxprayers, the 4 horsemen of damage

But I'm missing punh drunk after I trashed about 5

[echo cloud]

u can run picaro, memento, engineer and u will have 9 cores

[granite zephyr]

Now to try and find a good engineer, or just continue farming for a stronger over all dps

Love it when tanks with their Shields come in looking cool but get disoriented

[rapid tundra]

A debate about preference? I’m dead asf 😂 if people doing making nasty builds with picaros it’s good. It’s not a one size fits all game, to each it’s own 😂

[granite zephyr]

Yes, the future soldier kard

[echo cloud]

yeah but maining that is kinda hopeless

[granite zephyr]

I don't kinda see why. Since I always use a kard,

And I use the sidearms half the time

Out of ammo and need to finish someone off, whip it out

Sidearms are somehow highly effective in div2 than div 1

[rare vapor]

D3D was pretty fine

[granite zephyr]

Except for thst one video...the one with sentrys call

4 man team pistol spamming with he gearset

Hitting 100k, which is kinda high for div 1

What's your go to pistol, which is not the named

[warm raptor]

Some reason I wasn’t getting HP ammo like I should but fixed it by re-equiping a gear

[granite zephyr]

Yes

I always use (First wave) PF45 or X45

27 rounds of 400 RPM

Tried, I just don't have a thing for revolvers

If I want a hard hitting I'll go for a D-50

Which I had a wierd luck of getting 4 today in the darkzone

Man but I do be hitting a Player for 250k

Might

If I can get one

Time to roam the darkzone with target on pistol again

And I realised most of the pistols I picked up, need no extraction

All went straight to my backpack

So darkzone is kinda rewarding

And you couldn't see the stat too?

If I remember correctly

[low lily]

Btw what makes mortar shoot faster?

[smoky stag]

a target at shorter distance

[gilded perch]

Vile is not status effect, if the mods vile debuff only and no status effect and ongoing mark, of course you can't get HP

If you mean your ongoing bug like as HB, i had never that situation so i can't tell you

[echo cloud]

whats your favourite mission to run with mantis/chainkiller build?

[knotty quail]

4p ToTS, Airaldi Vigilance bp, Decoy and Sharpshooter drone

[echo cloud]

🤦‍♂️

[knotty quail]

Oh wait

Oops, it's early, okay

It's actually the CP southeast of the White House cause on the second wave, you can just sit up on top of the building and snipe with 0 risk basically

I don't even remember the missions that much

My first build was a Nemesis sniper one so I probably did a bunch, but I honestly do not remember

[brisk bridge]

Picaro's doesn't let you roll the core to red right now.

[smoky stag]

thats what i said

[brisk bridge]

Not sure if bug or intended effect.

[smoky stag]

intended bug

[violet beacon]

is the pc disconnection issue been fixed?

[fair lake]

Tough question

[echo cloud]

its been ok for me the past few days

it was insanely bad the week before tho

[smoky stag]

i get it about once in 60-90 days
but deltas tho

[echo cloud]

arghhhhhhh why dont people understand that standing directly infront of a teammate kills the DPS of the team by 25%? lol.. the ammount of situationally oblivious people in this game is insane

[low lily]

You could always move

[echo cloud]

you're shield peeking this corner? no! its my corner now!

[pliant sentinel]

@smoky stag still doing roose?

[smoky stag]

not at the moment but im down to play

[unkempt moat]

is DZ playable in a group?

[warm minnow]

why wouldnt it be?

[summer frost]

Yeah, friendly fire would be cool for this but it'd be a grief fest unfortunately

[echo cloud]

noclip for teammates would be ideal..

[inner elbow]

When you run a status build for Leagues but your teammates kill the enemy you're trying to inflict

"thanks for making this run slower, bozo"

[fiery cloud]

I run dps or seeker/stinger hive skill for league

[mystic zealot]

ah, good memories of division 1, the first version, where to go rogue, all you need to do is to "accidently" shoot someone

[inner elbow]

I thought you gotta accidentally cut the rope

[mystic zealot]

nah, there's those who just LOVE to move in front of your crosshair as you are shooting the enemies and get your whole squad marked as rogue, and then, they pop the guardian link, turned literally invincible, and well, kill you

[warm minnow]

rouge 1.0 💀

[low lily]

Dz was fun as duck back then

[unkempt moat]

game crashes like hell today

atleast for me, literally every hour there is a mandatory crash

[mystic zealot]

humm.....about crashing on the PC end, not sure if it is just me with my 5 years old laptop but, everyday, upon the first launch, the game would just goes into .exe not responding, any subsequence run will run smoothly

[unkempt moat]

Yeah you know what? Screw DZ

[mystic zealot]

tbh i only use DZ now to perhaps get some exp via landmarks or just scrap all the stuff to get resources and visit the vendors since the targeted loots are not working, or at least i heard

[unkempt moat]

i wanted to farm enough resources for Orbit

[echo cloud]

targeted loot is working, its just not contaminated, so it goes straight to your inventory

which is really overpowered

but darkzone only drops low quality challenger tier loot so not that fun farming

[unkempt moat]

but whenever you're off to good start theres 4 rogues just going at you like lol i dont care your useless garbage is now mine

[low lily]

Just 1v4 ez

[unkempt moat]

or i just ... won't do DZ

i can farm countless Countdowns instead and buy Named Item Caches for DZ items

[low lily]

Sounds like a skill issue 🫂

[unkempt moat]

i do not object to that

[granite zephyr]

Wait

Can you get the named yahl from it?

The hollowman?

Considering the Yaahl is DZ exclusive

[plush otter]

all lz and dz named items are in named caches, so yes hollowman is in there aswell

[gusty dove]

you can craft it as well no?

[azure lintel]

Greetings guys, if you have a moment to. I'm about to get me and my friend the game, but I'm not sure what edition is worth getting + I'm still confused what the difference between standard, gold and ultimate edition is thank you for taking time to read my annoying message and have a lovely day!

I'm also doing the free test thing

[elfin hazel]

warlords of new york is the one you want

ultimate just unlocks some stuff sooner & gives you some things

[azure lintel]

ty sm

[desert crystal]

dont you get ultimate on Ubisoft + anyway

[elfin hazel]

yes but thats subscription based so if you stop paying you lose the game

[desert crystal]

do you

[azure lintel]

i don't understand

[desert crystal]

so is the subscription the same aa renting something then

[elfin hazel]

yes

[desert crystal]

the subscription is a pay monthly service where as if you buy the game you only pay onec

[fervent jacinth]

Nah
Zero f's jst seems decent with that shotgun deeps as well

[azure lintel]

im confused because one called Warlords of New York Ultimate Edition Then there is one called Tom Clancy's The Division 2 - Warlords of New York Edition only

and then there ofc is just Standard Edition

[elfin hazel]

warlords of new york edition is the one you want

[azure lintel]

ok many thank

[placid shadow]

bro

cheaters kiccked me off dark zone after telling me they did

is this for real >??

[hybrid ore]

Define "kicked you off".

[desert crystal]

does everyone eles here buy the game

is the subscription not cheaper

[fair lake]

one time payment vs constant payment. Hmmm, what's better

[hybrid ore]

I bought div2 in March of 2019, so yep, cheaper as a one time payment.

[elfin hazel]

I like to pay once and at least have the feeling of owning my game even if I dont

[desert crystal]

what do you mean by dont

[hybrid ore]

You don't own any games you buy on Steam/uplay/origin/epic/whatever. You technically just own the rights to use it.

[elfin hazel]

^

[hybrid ore]

It's why physical media is so important, take the recent Stadia issue.

[desert crystal]

so you technically just get a permanent license for it then

[fair lake]

Imagine buying DLC from Ubisoft to find them taken away. OH, WAIT, you don't have to imagine this anymore

[elfin hazel]

permanent unless they want to take it away from you or if the servers shut down

[hybrid ore]

Well, "permanent". A game can be taken away from you at any time the licence falls through.
aka: the deadpool game a few years back was removed from Steam.

[desert crystal]

do you get a refund in that situation

[hybrid ore]

No.

Like when the GTA games had audio tracks removed because Rockstar didn't want to pay the licence fee for those songs anymore.

Sometimes a 'dev might offer a refund, but it's not guaranteed.

[desert crystal]

so your saying any digital stuff you don’t actually own at all

[fair lake]

Of course not, because you own the access, not the actual product

[fair lake]

exactly

[hybrid ore]

Okay back to div2 now, this one's getting sad to talk about.

I'm excited for the Apparel Event in 4.5 days.

[desert crystal]

yes if its not delayed again

[fair lake]

or glitched

[hybrid ore]

It's been announced on Twitter now, so I'd bet on it dropping on time.
SHD designs for outfits have always been my favourite.

[fair lake]

I remember times, when we had a weekly project for apparel event keys. Then it was removed for "I don't know which" reason

[desert crystal]

did anyone notice one of the weekly projects are for NY

[hybrid ore]

Is that uncommon? The Daily Project does that all the time.

[desert crystal]

Is it I didn’t no that

[hybrid ore]

I just assumed that the Daily Project was different for pre and post WONY, but might be wrong.

[desert crystal]

i thought everyone was over level 40 now

[hybrid ore]

I've got a friend who doesn't own WONY, so there's at least 1.

[desert crystal]

so he doesn’t have any watch level’s then and its dc only

[hybrid ore]

Yep, she's just at wt5

[granite zephyr]

Got the hollowman from dz today, feeling good

[low lily]

Has chd or chc?

[granite zephyr]

Chc

[low lily]

Nice

I remember it was harsh farm to get it with red attribute

[mild maple]

Can i Farm raid exotics Like normal Missions or i need too wait for the weekly reset?

[low lily]

EB and ravenous is from the last box and all raid bosses besides last one gives a key in a week

You could farm last Boss to get a key and then be lucky. For regulus there is a mission, like you have to collect some gear etc, before that usually takes like week or 2 ro finish

[fiery cloud]

Morning hope everyone's having a great gaming day

[low lily]

@mild maple if you want i can send you a link to discord who does helping raids for exotics

[floral orbit]

can the Rock n Roll drop from farming shotguns or is it a DZ exclusive and can only be gotten in Named cache and in DZ ?

[fiery cloud]

@floral orbit dz or named

[floral orbit]

Thanks 👌

[pliant sentinel]

there was a godrolled rock n roll on the CD vendor

u missed it

[warm raptor]

I had explosive seeker on so they were getting status effects on but i still wasn’t getting hp i had unequip a piece and put it back on for some reason

[summer frost]

Last event was two week long, wasnt it? IIRC there were about 23 apparel pieces, and you needed to grind ~80 shd levels over the span of two week.

[summer frost]

Gmorning to you too friend, not a gaming day but good morning anyway

[summer frost]

Yeah somebody posted on reddit yesterday or so that they unlocked all the base game hunter masks. They don't have wony but apparently some people are still unlocking every single thing in the base game.

[hybrid ore]

Yep, 4 SHD Levels gets you one key, so you can do the math.

[gilded perch]

you apply status effect but have you ever shoot those mod

[summer frost]

Got it, I don't know why I want more apparel if I'm always wearing the same stuff 😄

[hybrid ore]

It's all about variation. This new event is SHD focused, so if you like the Spec Tree outfits, you'll probably like this one.

[whole thistle]

Looking for TU16.2 🕵️

[gusty dove]

next week is apparel event, guess well see

[night plinth]

So I've been looting suitcases constantly (since I got the game) and I've only gotten 5 clothing items from them (and that was when I was level 1-10) is there any way I can get new clothing items from suitcases and not apparel caches?

[hybrid ore]

Nope, they only contain the "grey" tier items.

[fiery cloud]

Morning Bayes

[midnight inlet]

Anyone putting together a group to just do whatever on the game? Solo play ain't so fun

[hybrid ore]

You're looking for #lfg-pc, gl Agent.

[brisk bridge]

Apart from the LFG channel, try matchmaking in the game.

[hybrid ore]

"calling for backup" is honestly the fastest way to get teammates.
Although right now is kind of the "off time", try working around US timezones if you can.

[tardy sandal]

the basilisk task for the Gunnery specialization is literal torture

[brisk bridge]

Yes, it is rather tedious. Took me several tries ages ago when I did it. It helps if you have a teammate who can hit him with foam so you can hit him slowly with a pistol.

If not, use a Blinder firefly and oxidizer launcher to take his armour off all at once. Or use riot foam and a pistol with low damage per shot so you don't accidentally kill him. Play on Normal or Hard difficulty. Blind him or foam him, then hit his armour with the pistol, starting from left leg, right leg, left arm, right arm, chest, then head.

[wooden crane]

anyone know how to get the diamondback rifle?

[brisk bridge]

Targeted loot: rifle

[wooden crane]

what is that?

im new-ish i have not played for a long time

[brisk bridge]

Do missions and activities that have rifle as the target loot. You can check what the current loot drop is by pressing "R" on the map screen. Or do the new Countdown activity with target loot set to rifle. Summit works for this too. Then pray. It might take a while.

[wooden crane]

ok thank you so much

[placid shadow]

So he was god mode killing everyone near the dark zone door trough the walls, when i called him out in voice chat he told me to gtfo and i got disconnected after like 30 seconds of him standing afk

and in my 860 hours i have i never got disconnected in the Division for no reason

it was overall bs experience today in dark zone, encountered 2 more cheaters besides this guy.

wnow since they confirmed year 5 i hope they will do something about it

Also, i video captured that cheater i'm talking about

[knotty quail]

Can you get it from TL without getting it from Kenly first?

[placid shadow]

will that save me from the cheaters ? xD

i didn'rt play this game for like 3 years , i don't remember any cheaters back then

how is the dz now, are they common ?

[gusty dove]

^

[brisk bridge]

You're right. I stand corrected.

[placid shadow]

today i've seen a dude take 0 damage

[brisk bridge]

I was wrong. It's been a while, so I didn't remember. Do the Kenly College expedition: https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Diamondback

[placid shadow]

so they can even god mode ? xD

also, this other one just one shoted me with my 1.7 mil armour with an lmg , is that fine ?

all this happened in around 4 hours

[wooden crane]

i dont know how to unlock expeditions

[placid shadow]

oh , i see

[brisk bridge]

It's in rotation right now. Check your map and see the top right. You should see Kenly College there.

[placid shadow]

i wonder if devs will try to make this problem a little better

yeah but the ystill support the game

and they confirmed year 5

[brisk bridge]

https://i.imgur.com/heAGx2d.jpg

[placid shadow]

because dz now is unenjoyable

they are making the new one with this exact same engine

some assets even animations

[modest lintel]

i enjoy dz

[gusty dove]

same

[modest lintel]

it's fun

[placid shadow]

i enjoy dz a lot too, when it's legit

it is , a lot of fun

[gusty dove]

you US or EU?

[placid shadow]

EU

[gusty dove]

weird then..

[placid shadow]

maybe i was just in a streak of bad luck xD

but anyways, would love to roam around with some EU people if there are any here

what you mean inconsistancies

[gusty dove]

smg laserbeam lmao

[hybrid ore]

Anyway, back to the regular programming.

[fervent jacinth]

I refuse to admit that the ubi and div servers aren't powered by a hamster

[sonic isle]

saying hello from a remote mountain in the fog

[fiery cloud]

Hey Fearlxss,

[gusty dove]

heya saph

[quasi gale]

Is the game bugged? Done soo many control points yet no Rogue agents ?

[tender wave]

rng is random

[brisk bridge]

Keep doing MOAR!

[hybrid ore]

I have no basis in this, but I tend to get more on CP4 and/or while in a team than not and solo.
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a system in place which increased that chance under certain circumstances.

[fervent berry]

I feel like rogues are more likely to show up on Heroic CPs, and maybe odds would improve the more global directives are active

[fiery cloud]

Hey Kettle, Zephyr

[fervent berry]

*also no basis here, just shenanigans

@fiery cloud What uppp

[fiery cloud]

got splatted by a huricane

and doing good

[quasi gale]

Eventually the rogue agents showed up... but yeah took about 8-9 control points

[hybrid ore]

At the end of the day, it's all RNG.
I believe there's a timer so they don't spawn too rapidly in Summit, I'd assume it's the same in the LZ.

[quasi gale]

Yeah, previously when I did control points they popped up every 2/3 control points

Might have been a bad day today

[fervent berry]

@fiery cloud Take care of yourself and always have a kickin' day

[fiery cloud]

family almost back to normal with the exception of the leaning 80 ft tree

[tender wave]

hey Saph

[viscid cargo]

I very commonly get them in the second room on bank headquarters. Happened twice in a row for me

[quasi gale]

Oh nice

[woeful apex]

Happens when you least expect them, just ran out from safe zone then rogues showed up and I just want to take it easy hecc

[tardy sandal]

Newbie question, once you hit 40 and start taking on taking on harder challenges, how do you progress in power? For example I have a Hunter's Fury set and a nice SMG (+15% SMG DMG, +21% Crit Chance, +15% swap speed) and I don't exactly feel like I'm all that powerful enough, like Challenging content is kinda wrecking me. How does my gear or general power level progress further?

[plush otter]

1 part is you getting better and learning gameplay mechanics and how to deal with stuff, another part is your build.
have a look in #td2-build-advice , in the pinned comments there there is a spreadsheet that has a lot of build guides.

and also another part is that you will be getting watch points that also will increase your power a little bit upto shd lvl 999 on your watch, and in the long term expertise adds the very expensive cherry on top of it all

[tardy sandal]

awesine thanks @plush otter I'll check all that out! Sounds like your "gains" are a bit more subtle in this game... I come from Destiny where it's pretty cut and dry so sounds like just a change in mind set

[bitter wraith]

This game has more crashes in countdown than ryanair 😒

[potent lava]

Idk if it's just me but I always get a rogue floor in summit between floor 5 and floor 10

@quasi gale

[quasi gale]

Oh really, haven't messed around with summit too much, so not sure of my own percentage

[hallow harness]

What’s does ifg means?

[gusty dove]

looking for (game?) iirc

[fervent berry]

Looking For Group

Or Game, I suppose

[reef reef]

looking for gloop

nah, its group generally

[zinc shadow]

a noble goal

[marble talon]

Anybody doing loot farm

[oak prawn]

lfg console

[broken plume]

Love speed running a heroic mission with an aggressive build, not paying attention, only for the game to throw rogue agents in the middle

[summer frost]

Isn't it curious that c7 drops always with a fixed talent event tho it's not a named piece?

[fiery cloud]

Hey Aspect

[thorn steeple]

Does the DZ matchmake you with people your level?

[gusty dove]

dz is mostly people grouping up together or play alone, i dont use matchmake for it but would think not everyone does as well?

[brazen mountain]

I tried to matchmake and never found anyone

[gusty dove]

yeah so dz matchmaking is basically pointless.. when you are in the dz it's either group up or like a lone wolf surviving there and killing the groups you come across or random people that are alone

[broken plume]

What should I change on my backup boomstick, cause it's got +9.5% magazine size, and the fast hands talent...

[thorn steeple]

I meant more are they going to be our level? The people we fight in the DZ

or is it just levels 1-40

[gusty dove]

if you are 30 or below itll be 30, if you are level 40 then the dzs will be 40

[potent lava]

I started like 2 months ago, and I played from level 1 all the way through the base game, and then through the dlc warlords. I played division 1 back in the day and desperately wanted the darkzone pvp experience that I had like 8 years ago with division 1.

That being said, I was level 30 and as strong as a lvl 30 could be, and the darkzone was just dead. Long story short, I played through warlords, got level 40, and made a damn disgusting SMG lady death build, and I finally get to experience what i did with division 1 almost a decade ago.

Don't try to pvp early. It will turn you off. The only thing that kept me trying to get good at pvp was my memory of d1. And today I went on a manhunt against a whole server for over an hour with just me and my teammate. It was fun as fuck. My advice, don't pvp early, don't try to pvp with a wack build, do it right, and you'll have the experience I'm talking about.

[gusty dove]

preach! 🙏

[keen lily]

Can we get Underground mode in div 2 😄

[wet igloo]

Nop

[unkempt vector]

does perfect breadbasket on the mozambique special work? ive been doing some testing and it doesn't seem like it does

[azure lintel]

I don't have a current one to test, but it did work when I had one back before the Kard Pistol came out

can you elaborate on doesnt work? no visual indicator or stacks? no damage increase?

[dapper atlas]

They are working on a new game mode which seems to be inspired by Survival and Underground. But we don't really know too much about it yet.

[slender atlas]

@rapid tundra The exotic caches is obvious lol, i was more hinting of the enemies dropping them in match

[rapid tundra]

Ahh gotcha welp Can’t gauge a tone through a text 👁👄👁 use these “””” lol

[low lily]

Inspired by survival and underground? They actually said that

[slender atlas]

Lol

[rapid tundra]

I get drops pretty often in countdown, a shit ton more than summit

[dapper atlas]

Nah, they didn't say it. That's why I wrote "seems to be". 🤭

[low lily]

You just broke my heart

[dapper atlas]

Sorry. 😢

[slender atlas]

Yh same, wish exotic dropped in match tho

[low lily]

Don't be sorry be better 😔

[dapper atlas]

I'll try.

[hybrid ore]

Descent does look pretty cool, the little we've seen from it.

[slender atlas]

@rapid tundra I’m just in a game at the moment, if you wanna play a couple before i go sleep for work my xbox tag is my discord name

Well i just got melee killed by a hunter at 50meters because that makes perfect sense

[rapid tundra]

My bad I was afk, we can run tomorrow just dm me. Me and my friend are both trying to pull catharsis 😂

[slender atlas]

I got it in my loot pool so I’ll help out

[rapid tundra]

We’re on now if you’re down

[slender atlas]

Send a invite

[rapid tundra]

I got you after this run dm me your gtag

[echo cloud]

can i edit my character's appereneance now?

somehow/somewhere?

[gusty dove]

yes, whitehosue

[echo cloud]

nice

lol wtf, i cant have blonde hair.. stupid

[novel laurel]

I'm hearing claims being made the measured is now "fixed"

[unkempt vector]

no indicator, no stacks, popping a bunch of body shots and hitting a headshot doesnt increase the damage that the regular headshots do neither does it when switching to another weapon

[vast knot]

attacking control points with 8 friendly ai's just hits differently

[hybrid ore]

Just "around" or from a reputable source?

[novel laurel]

Can't tell tbh lol

[quick wolf]

Attacking anything with eight different walking distractions hits everything differently.

It's part of what makes Countdown so easy as a DPS, since you can just bait and hide behind teammates.

[jolly stag]

oh YOURE that guy xD

[quick wolf]

Yes, I am. And I have absolutely zero shame.

[echo cloud]

countdown is unironically very easy for 8 man content.. the other day me and 1 other person split off the main group and cleared one side objective at the same speed the other 6 spent on theirs.. we 2maned a whole room very easily

honestly its laughably easy

[quick wolf]

Countdown is only hard when people crash or make bad decisions as easily as they breathe. Until you know... the hunters stop them from breathing.

Cue three people running at a walking bullet sponge and zero game plan

[echo cloud]

the hunters are the only part that ever goes wrong. i dont know how many runs ive done but i have yet to see anything remotely close to a wipe before hunters

and if u got a control build then u cant fail to be honest

[quick wolf]

Playing with randoms is a 50/50 split of: "Ok, how many here are capable and how many are zombies spamming their guns."

[echo cloud]

as long as the hunters get foamed, even the most headless of chickens can clear the hunters with relative ease.

im not saying that i wish countdown was harder, i think its perfectly fine for an open casual "raid" simulation. but it couldnt hurt to add a non matchmaking difficulty -> legendary, for people who are interested in an actual challenge. like the other raids would do

[quick wolf]

Unless a majority of people are not running damage builds, in which case, no amount of silly string is going to stop that hunter as he visibly laughs at your pea shooter.

I've had a good fare share of moments where the hunter literally just breaks free from my foam because everyone's damage is dogshit.

[echo cloud]

i have soloed hunter with a plain striker build, i think you exagarate a bit how hard they are, but i do hear you

just abuse their ai and shoot from cover while dancing around a rock, the hunter turns into an absolute moron when u do that =P

he will try to melee through walls that he cant reach through etc, its kind of silly

[quick wolf]

That's still a damage build. I've had literally three people, four if you include me, all shoot a hunter and we still don't kill him until after he breaks loose and makes a beeline for the nearest cover to heal.
Which usually ends in me panic foaming another shot to try stop him from wasting our time.

The problem only really presents itself during extraction when it's more than just hunters.

[echo cloud]

well, granted, it can happen. but in my experience almost everyone wants to be the top dps MVP player so everyone's running striker build these days lmao

best bet is run hollowpoint or future initiative to boost all the lads and watch everything turn to crisp before u can even target it

[quick wolf]

And that's the magic of playing with randoms. You're bound to end up in groups where there's an uneven split of DPS/Support. And those are the worst.

[echo cloud]

@quick wolf what region are you on, btw?

[quick wolf]

US east.

[echo cloud]

i was gonna say, im betting you are NA.. because i have a theory, based on personal experiences in many many years of gaming

and this is obviously not scientifically proven, just my take on it