td2-general-chat

[fickle cypress]

The twins.

[feral pagoda]

Shaeffer's statement at the end though, lmao

[sleek drift]

Didn't he say something like "I'm gonna go shoot myself now"

[feral pagoda]

Yep, lmao

[fickle cypress]

He did

[sleek drift]

I actually really like Schaeffer

[dark matrix]

but still, BT was hired and envisioned as a praetorian guard by some elites that's certain

[fickle cypress]

When Head and Tail got killed

[rotund osprey]

idk if that was shaeffer i think shaffear came after that mission

[dark matrix]

they're still projecting power

[sleek drift]

It was during White Oak, just didn't know if invaded

[feral pagoda]

Same, he's the most reasonable and/or mildly controlled individual in this entire situation

[sleek drift]

ya because they had the tech, manpower and resources to do it. i wouldn't be surprised if BT / Sokolova were RESPONSIBLE for amherst creating the dollar flu

and had forewarning

[feral pagoda]

Ooo, very possible

[rotund osprey]

yeah cause i think there was another guy who did kill himself he was over tidal basin and then he failed at white oak so he was replaced with shaeffer i believe

[sleek drift]

It's 5D chess

[rotund osprey]

cause then you meet shaeffer at new york

[sleek drift]

It's like The Enclave sitting and waiting for America / the world to collapse and then reclaiming it from the ashes of the old world to build it up in their image

[dark matrix]

I know that but what i mean is you said elites won't make it as they're weak, when thay are obviously not

[sleek drift]

They wouldn't, not the fat cushy hypercapitalists

[rotund osprey]

a trabzoid with a line through it sounds like a brainiac plot

[sleek drift]

At least those without military influence

[feral pagoda]

Relates back to Amherst's time at the University - perhaps, there was a contact that reached out to them

Perhaps, the student who was speaking with Amherst was actively working for BT, and saw an opportunity - thus encouraging his ideals

[dark matrix]

sure not all, but a lot probably planned for sometihng like this

people that would fit the criteria

[sleek drift]

Sokolova had ties to the Russian oligarchy and had enough military manpower to back her claims, which makes her actually strong, but do you see the senators / president still alive?

[rotund osprey]

maybe if someone had had ice cream with amherst we wouldn't be in this mess

[sleek drift]

do you see business tycoons still alive?

[dark matrix]

we do not yet know who hired Black Tusk

as Black Tusk are meant to be enforcer FOR that said group

[sleek drift]

Probably some shadow government

[feral pagoda]

There're some strong candidates for this though

[dark matrix]

so there's someone pulling strings behind the scenes, could very well be senators

some, not all, but we do not know

[sleek drift]

Tom Clancy games / stories are very big on 'the shadowy group working in secret' tropes

[feral pagoda]

Example could be the GR: Breakpoint

[sleek drift]

Also, when can I get 3E gear in Div2

I want to see Ghost gear and 3E make an appearance

[rotund osprey]

alot are referenced but is mostly relating to gear brands but not far fetched to believe most are sitting safe happy in their own compounds like white oak

[sleek drift]

Same fucking universe lol

[feral pagoda]

Speaking of Ghosts, someone brought up a Wolves vs. Hunters post earlier

[sleek drift]

In the case of Div2, the ones who are in a position of strength are those operating in the military industrial complex

Because the world is reliant on tech and gear and manpower

[rotund osprey]

true

[feral pagoda]

Isn't Viper's father working in our BoO's basement?

[sleek drift]

Money just became inherently useless and E-credits are only usable by the JTF

[dark matrix]

I don't think E-credits are actually a thing in-universe though

more of a game mechanic

[sleek drift]

They are, they're legitimate at JTF stores

Says it in the description

[oak prawn]

They secretly Nerfed floor 10

[dark matrix]

"agent you need a better gun to kill the Black Tusk barreling down towards the white house? tough luck pal"

[sleek drift]

This game has a great attention to detail even if it's not really explained

[rotund osprey]

well still money seems to be a big topic with BT so maybe america is the only country destroyed and every other country is cashing in for the real estate

[dark matrix]

I don't see it being a thing when as Agents we're allowed to outright take things for our job

or at least not to that extent

[sleek drift]

Doubtful, the virus hit in NY and before it was recognized as a pandemic it's likely people already boarded planes

The way it was executed was actually very smart strategically

[dark matrix]

the game tells us a bit of what happens in other places

[feral pagoda]

They already stated that the entire world was affected

[dark matrix]

in White Oak

[rotund osprey]

that may be so but other countries have much higher restrictions from entering country back

[feral pagoda]

As well as the VL in GWH

[oak prawn]

This is topic for #division-universe

[sleek drift]

Fair but my point still stands, all you need are a metric fuck ton of patient zeroes moving around before it's formally recognized as a pandemic to do a fuck ton of damage

[dark matrix]

smh backseat modding

[rotund osprey]

and if the us had a vacine long before the outbreak perhaps the gov was in on it

[sleek drift]

This is likely

[dark matrix]

the game suggests that yea

[sleek drift]

I stand by that somebody stood to benefit from the outbreak

and they were ready to move

[dark matrix]

I think this is meant to be a takeover

Amherst was just used

[feral pagoda]

But of what type, and for which group?

[sleek drift]

Since tom clancy game, some shadow group

[reef reef]

This is topic for #division-universe

[dark matrix]

probably a part of the government that wished more extensive control

[reef reef]

smh frontseat modding

[sleek drift]

k, mods ruined the flow, back to shooting outcasts

[feral pagoda]

Rip, dude probably DM'd the mods - sorry

[dark matrix]

let's talk about Floor 10

[reef reef]

nah

[dark matrix]

probably did and you won't say

[rotund osprey]

lets all just cry like babies XD

[sleek drift]

lemme get my babyface mask on

and micspam crying babies

[rotund osprey]

oh god just wait until the baby mask comes out ingame then it will be a party

[dark matrix]

I hope we see more on Descent soon

[sleek drift]

I actually can't wait for the dark path event

[dark matrix]

and I hope they make the environments better than Summit

[sleek drift]

I feel like the gear will be loads better

[feral pagoda]

Didn't it get delayed by 2 weeks?

[sleek drift]

SHD Paragon did

[reef reef]

nah he actually didnt, i just saw the opportunity and thought this was extended universe

[rotund osprey]

yeah i wanted the paragon for some actual military looking gear (division agent style)

[feral pagoda]

It was the clipping issues that delayed the event, right?

[oak prawn]

I don't bother mods anyways

[dark matrix]

do you accept bribes

[reef reef]

depends on the bribe

[sleek drift]

I want sleek and sexy, like Black Tusk's gear (kinda)

[reef reef]

i'll take food

[sleek drift]

I hate the bulk

[dark matrix]

10 cans of beans

[feral pagoda]

Psst 5 E-credits

[reef reef]

#division-universe

[reef reef]

5 is a bit rich for my blood

[feral pagoda]

1 Solar Calculator, take it or leave it

[sleek drift]

The closest I can come to for ideal aesthetic is the wetsuit and I can't get that anymore and it has an ugly life preserver, I want some splinter cell-esque stealth suit

[sly jewel]

what in tarnation is expertise and proficiency?

[dark matrix]

were you around for the first Black Tusk suit?

[sleek drift]

No :' (

[dark matrix]

oh damn

[rotund osprey]

its a myth shhh your not supposed to know

[sleek drift]

I'm just about to hit shd1k today

[reef reef]

small incremental buffs to stats, endgame stuff.

[feral pagoda]

I miss the Striker's Helmet

[dark matrix]

you can join me ingame and see it on my characters if you want, and I will be annoying about it

[feral pagoda]

Missed out on the opportunity to pick it up

[sleek drift]

Post a pic for me in divashion

[feral pagoda]

Nope, just took a LOA during the season - then came back to my friends boasting it

[reef reef]

get proficient in stuff -> increase expertise ->get small stat buffs in stuff you invest in

[sleek drift]

get 20% wpn dmg on your headshot build in pvp with your eb and get beamed in .5sec then told it's a skill issue by non pvpers

[rotund osprey]

just don't farm eb's with me i still have nightmares

[sleek drift]

I need to get mine still lol

I'm lazy and procrastinating raids, I have my gear somewhat fully optimized and rdy to go as far as dps and stat requirements

I just fucking hate pugging in any game

[lament mirage]

I feel u I'm still missing my regulus

[sleek drift]

Fuck me for being antisocial lol

[lament mirage]

In due time tho...

[sleek drift]

They willing to deal with someone inexperienced? I watched the videos

[feral pagoda]

Regulus is really nice

Regulus + DCH

[lament mirage]

Ik

[rotund osprey]

yes we teach people thats why we are a bit cut throat about builds is because we aren't just there so people can bum a eb and leave even though thats 80% of the time

[sleek drift]

Oh I'll see it through to the end

[lament mirage]

But I didn't bother getting one a few months back I prob won't bother getting one

[rotund osprey]

everyone running raids volunteered to learn to lead them and honestly as long as you get enough people its good fun

[sleek drift]

But as far as I stand rn, I got the basic 3 pce prov with an M1A and a fast hands FAMAS and I'm sitting around 59% CHC and 180% CHD

blah blah, grup gloves, coyote mask

If you need anything else I'll need to put together more

[feral pagoda]

You should go for it if the chance arises - the fun with the piece will more then make up for the journey to get there

[lament mirage]

Drop some CD for cc to get to 60 cc

[rotund osprey]

they may want you to swap a piece or two but wink just slap a pic get your tag then swap back none of us leading care as long as your stats are good enough to run

[lament mirage]

Nah I cba with grinding these days

[sleek drift]

What's the usual they'd want swapped out to

Could probably farm a Fenris mask in place of my Coyote's

[rotund osprey]

i can link you the server they have the templates posted and i can answer questions

[sleek drift]

Okay sweet, do it

I'll have to see how my work schedule fits in

[broken plume]

I just got another Bullet King and realized this is the half worst gun for this event

[dark matrix]

in raids a good DPS build is all you need unless you do any of the specific roles

[low lily]

Yeah good dps is always good

[dark matrix]

but yeah good luck

trying to get my groups to raid again but low interest in the game overall

[low lily]

Why is that, game just got saved

[dark matrix]

it was active in TU15

but TU16 didn't seem to have the same effect

[feral pagoda]

The game's more or less repetitive grinding at times - not to mention the crashing issues lol

It's more the crashing issues if anything that pushes players away from the game

[dark matrix]

we also used to run the Legendaries in duos or solos for the sake of it

but these 2 new ones didn't really get that much interest

[feral pagoda]

I just wish that the cosmetic trophy was more interesting for TB

[crystal copper]

Jungles people

[azure lintel]

my...game is crashing much more often than last update

[dark matrix]

tried all the fixes too but yeah

still hit and miss

[gritty prism]

i need help wit keener boss fight

[reef reef]

#lfg-pc check here

[desert crystal]

any one eles here run on lower than heroic

[reef reef]

generally i run on challenging to get places, then do missions and such on heroic.

[desert crystal]

so you have your world on challenging but chage the level at the mission start point

[reef reef]

Thats what that means, yes

If i'm farming control points i'll just do the activities around them to boost them, little extra work but i dont mind.

[teal shard]

i know imma get a lot of hate but honestly im kinda glad they finally nerfed floor 10, its was kinda making shd levels obsolete, ppl going around with ridiculous shd levels just because they'd been farming floor 10 for hours on end.

[reef reef]

The people who used floor 10 are mad about it, the people who used it a little and didnt care are fine with it. The duality of man

[azure lintel]

they nerf floor 10 but they don't fix crashes

lately i'm getting a lot of crashes
more than before..

[reef reef]

Crashes are harder to fix. They've been working on it.

[teal shard]

yh exactly lmao, ngl i did use it a bit but i'd only ever do like 10-20 floors at a time it gets so boring after a while

i just wish they would make it so that countdown would give u a lil xp reward

[reef reef]

I know a few people who were sick of seeing shd lvl 10k or whatever with no gamesense

[desert crystal]

wasnt the majority of the fixes in tu16

[teal shard]

yh that happened so often

[gusty dove]

TIL you gotta find umbra pieces again to deconstruct, to then use them as appearance

[teal shard]

oh cool thx for the info was wondering about that

[gusty dove]

yeah, i deconstructed some and appeared there

[teal shard]

cool

is picaros fixed too i deconstructed all mine

[frank shoal]

Hey uh... I think I'm slow
How do you get in to the prize room after the first fight on coney island amusement park?

I've been trying to figure it out for ten minutes

[desert crystal]

you mean the 1 with the door in the corner

[frank shoal]

Yeah, next to the ducks

[desert crystal]

throw a granade in both them windows to open the door

[frank shoal]

There's only one sealed window

[desert crystal]

you throw it where the ducks are

[tender wave]

you can just shoot all the rats and moles if you want to do it the interesting way

grenade is just a cheesy way of getting them all at once

[desert crystal]

i didnt no there was anouther way

[frank shoal]

Oh I was doing that already 🦐

It worked

Cheers

[desert crystal]

ive allways been told to use a granade at that bit

[next herald]

They did? I've been getting a full level reward each time I finish countdown

[tender wave]

man, trying to manage busy little bee stacks with polarity on (without losing polarity stacks) is a real mental workout. Have to actually pay some attention.

[fair lake]

I really like how people react to agents, who were using floor 10, but devs did literally nothing to cheaters having 500 000+ watch level and shooting from the elevator on floor 100 with video evidence. Ironic, isn't it?

[sour quiver]

Been searching but can’t find any info about the lmg blue screen. Where can I find it and so on.

[fair lake]

So all these comments about "ridiculous" 10000 SHD level is just nothing but a joke

[teal shard]

idk if they've changed it with TU16.1 but before you'd only get kill xp basically no xp as a reward for completing it

[knotty quail]

LMG targeted loot

[sour quiver]

Thanks

[torpid plume]

The dev team are idiots that ruin the game.

[fast phoenix]

Did they fix the f10 thing?

[fair lake]

Yes

[fast phoenix]

O Sadge

Forever <SHD 200

ok... i just crashed 30 seconds into a countdown

3 times in a row

[desert plume]

Oh don't worry, not a big issue really. Floor 10 is fixed, ninja patch on floor 10. Don't worry about the Countdown

It's not a big issue that we are crashing

[astral jacinth]

Your sacrifice will not be in vain!

[desert plume]

I just love to see how we are still crashing on PC a lot in Countdown including me when we are heading towards the extraction, and players who didn't get crash end up getting killed on heroic because we lack players to finish the last part of the Countdown. You gotta love that part

But it's not a big issue. Floor 10 is big issue really

I understand

[prisma stump]

Can't fix PC crashing even though that was specifically promised for the next season, but can destroy a viable farming method for new players trying to enjoy the game at a playable level. Good job Dev team. Making it easier to uninstall Division 2 every patch.

[dusk flower]

Running the same floor over and over is enjoyable? Weird.

[prisma stump]

Playing countdown 4 times and crashing every time is less enjoyable

[desert plume]

Okay what about this question. Running the same floors with same level design to reach floor 100 is enjoyable ?

*100

[prisma stump]

LOL! Very good point!

[torpid plume]

It is when you start the game late and you need to get watch level to where it needs to be. Nothing weird about that.

[prisma stump]

Maybe instead of destroying summit farming, ban the cheaters abusing the game.

[merry zinc]

i mean in extreme cases high shd does break the game. once you get around the 4k mark you can get expertise levels pretty easy by making new characters

[prisma stump]

There are known people that "sell" levels using mods to the game that the anti-cheat does not catch

[desert plume]

Very enjoyable, yes. I am above 1k now and my watch is maxed out, but I can't say that don't care about that nerf even though my watch is maxed.

[merry zinc]

on console and pc players ran scripts to farm floor 10

[torpid plume]

They don't care about the players cheating with 3rd party tools because they are incompetent clowns

[desert plume]

Patching it now is a bit late really. They should let people catch those players now, not ruin it for others right now

[prisma stump]

BINGO! We have a winner, lol

[merry zinc]

yea the cheaters mainly farm floor 100 anywyas imo there was no point

[desert plume]

While those above 80k will still have that SHD lvl

[prisma stump]

Patching it now kneecaps every new player coming into the game. I just had two friends install the game and I know after finding out that they can't reach a decent SHD level they are probably going to bounce.

[merry zinc]

yeah it stopped me from buying div 2 on console lol@fuck that

[desert plume]

You need 5k hours to reach 10k SHD level without floor 10.

[torpid plume]

I got to SHD 1500 and don't use summit but new players are going to struggle with catching up to the rest of us and that is an insult to them. Especially when they get kicked by egotistical players for having a low SHD level. Absolutely disgraceful.

[warm raft]

imagine expertise as well...

[timber hatch]

The people farming 10k+ shd know how to farm convoys at a rate only slightly slower than F10, its just more effort.

[crystal copper]

Jungles people why mpx is the best smg?

[near scarab]

I'm only lvl 138 and I got there by 4 hours in summit

[crystal copper]

And it had low reload

[prisma stump]

Oh, and lets not forget that while floor 10 was "fixed" other people had their gear destroyed

[near scarab]

Now they patched it, I'm weak asf lol don't know how to catch up

[merry zinc]

i got around 1200 shd levels in one day from summit

[near scarab]

Yeah it sucks being carried noone wants to play with you

[dusk flower]

Eh just sounds like a lot of complaining. “Needing” things that didn’t even exist for those of us that played at launch

[prisma stump]

It's called new and returning players. I guess it's hard to understand that without a player base a game dies

[near scarab]

Complaining it may be but game still needs fixed in more ways then 1

[prisma stump]

And hey, if this was such a HUGE issue, then why wasn't it included in the patch notes!?

[near scarab]

Cause they thought they'd be sneaky about it

[torpid plume]

Some people only just started playing the game. It's not rocket science. Now they have to struggle.

[elfin hazel]

now they have to grind the way the devs intended

[prisma stump]

No, they were sneaky about it

[teal shard]

yh i understand why fairly new players really liked the floor 10 farm but me and my mates as OG players we werent huge fans of it

[torpid plume]

Besides not everyone coming into the game has time to sit on the game all day for years since day 1 lmao

[near scarab]

Yeah I work alot I hop on and look at the fact I have to get 800+ lvls and get down easy

Just to keep up with people in heroic

[desert plume]

Yes. And the best is how the players with low SHD lvl can have the good gear, and thousandish hours of playtime, but they will still be kicked because of their low SHD lvl. When I join some host I always look at commendations, gear FIRST. I don't even look at their SHD level. Especially now after floor 10 nerf players will have a hard time to catch up with 80% of the players, and the player who have SHD lvl 1k without floor 10 is gonna have more hours of playtime then some other player with 1k SHD lvl with floor 10. But they will be still considered as ''amateur'' players, which is not true.

[near scarab]

I'm not even on PC and I think it's bullshit that the game constantly crashes for you all

[torpid plume]

Some of us only found the game recently and really enjoyed it but needed to catch up. I got to where I needed to be but now I can't bring my friends into this game to play catch up because there is no point. I wish me and my friends were day 1 players like you guys but that isn't the case.

[prisma stump]

Really, it just comes down to this being a way to try and force players to play content on a game that crashes more than Windows ME

[elfin hazel]

it really doesnt come down to that

[limber orchid]

Yes. It calling playing smart and save a lot time.

[elfin hazel]

its patching a loot cave & xp farm that sidesteps the new grind they just put in

[limber orchid]

Fact

[elfin hazel]

the game isnt going to die because it got patched

[near scarab]

From the vids I've been watching the loot stays the same, the xp is what was nerfed unless I'm mistaken

[frank shoal]

Did I miss something while I was gone all year
What's this chat about

[prisma stump]

In the end it's just going to reduce the player base an give the game an early grave. Meanwhile Div 1 still has a loyal player base because it's stable and well balanced.

[near scarab]

Floor 10 nerfed

[frank shoal]

What's floor 10

[near scarab]

Lol nvm 🤣

[teal shard]

i know man and for ppl like u i totally understand why it was super useful, but i just hate that it was a thing to begin with because it allowed new players to get used to it instead of gaining xp the normal way, and now that its gone players who got used to it wont bother to play anymore

[elfin hazel]

xp farm where you do 1 specific room over and over (somehow this saves the game from being dead)

[frank shoal]

In summit or something?

[elfin hazel]

yes

[frank shoal]

Oh that's cringe why is anyone defending that 🪴

Play the game like the rest of us

[prisma stump]

Correct, one patch won't necessarily kill a game. Multiple patches that reduce player enjoyment in the game while leaving instability abound will kill the game

[frank shoal]

Is that why I see SHD rank 4000s?

[elfin hazel]

not inherently but very likely

[torpid plume]

Many people stated why people found it useful. Unlike you some of us don't have time to grind a game all the time 🤡

[limber orchid]

Who is "Us"? I'm pretty sure more like 80% playerbase played Floor 10

[elfin hazel]

man do you have like anything nice to say ever I don't think I've seen you say one thing that isnt just negative

[frank shoal]

I play maybe a week or two of this game twice a year, I have 14 days of play time on my character and I'm rank 350
It's not that hard 🦐

[limber orchid]

Who are you talking to?

[elfin hazel]

LCB

[torpid plume]

Nothing nice to say to people who call a large amount of players cringe for defending a good way to catch up to the rest of the player base.

Hypocrite.

[dusk flower]

Lol same. These guys are ridiculous

[prisma stump]

How about we all get to play the game like we want. How about giving new players a pathway to be able to game with friends at a similar level.

[limber orchid]

The guy isn't even active division player. Who cares what he says

[elfin hazel]

sorry that I don't think insulting the devs is a great way to go about things

[frank shoal]

Nobody cares what level you are it doesn't mean you can function in random world scenarios lol

[near scarab]

Who cares about the devs?

[frank shoal]

Gridning one floor doesn't prepare you for anything

[near scarab]

You think they read or care what we have to say?

[desert plume]

Not only that. Now , I WILL never use my Eclipse Protocol build, and my oxi build that are specifically made for floor 10. I enjoy doing that from time to time with those builds. Hit with Everlasting Gaze spread the fire etc. It's not only about the grind, I enjoy doing that and using those builds. Now I will never use those builds really.

[prisma stump]

Obviously not, lol

[frank shoal]

This explains so much why all the calls I respond to of rank 3000s are braindead

[limber orchid]

Nah the devs don't care about us lol

[elfin hazel]

yeah I do considering all the hate they get they're people too sorry that they didnt make your perfect game

[near scarab]

They don't fix the problem on a PC for fuck sakes.

It's their official discord and they don't even read 🤣 what's their to be nice about?

[prisma stump]

I don't want a perfect game, just a game that allows more than 15 minutes of gameplay before crashing

[limber orchid]

The whole game on pc is broken. Game have become a meme on pc lol

[desert plume]

Does devs read this chat sometimes? I can see they are here in this server

[prisma stump]

SAVAGE!!! 🤣

[desert plume]

Yannick is here lul

[near scarab]

If they did they're heartless

Don't see him typing or fixing the game on PC 👀

[desert plume]

lol

[limber orchid]

Yannick said once they will take care of cheaters on pc. Well it was a lie

[near scarab]

Idc about cheaters make the fucking game playable first

[desert plume]

Yeah I watched that video, when he confirmed that they are banning the cheaters

[near scarab]

That's ALOT easier then dealing with cheaters, there's always ways to cheat

[torpid plume]

But apparently it's cringe to have a problem with this nerf and feel bad for the players who are going to give up because they get kicked for low SHD levels and being underpowered compared to the rest of us. Idiotic take.

[prisma stump]

Yep

[near scarab]

Or screw his opinion cause you stand by yours

[frank shoal]

Who even gets kicked for low levels
I don't know any of this lore because I usually avoid the wider community for stuff like this

[near scarab]

Me

Alot of people

[prisma stump]

And this will for sure make the game less enticing to new players

[frank shoal]

I respond to calls all the time and it's always a good sport

[near scarab]

Countdown

[frank shoal]

If it's raid related i wouldn't know cos I never did-

[near scarab]

Try it sometime on heroic

[frank shoal]

Ah didn't do those either

[near scarab]

See how fast you get kicked or people leave mid game cause youre too weak

[desert plume]

What I can't understand is doing this in 2 days after 2 years !? I mean then you should take out the SHD level from those people who are above 80k with floor 10. Take out all SHD levels that I earned from floor 10 I don't care, make it full balance then. Don't just nerf it and put new players into pain

[prisma stump]

This happens repeatedly when trying to run countdown.

[frank shoal]

Another reason to avoid a bad feature

[prisma stump]

Low players also get kicked when trying to run normal raids

[limber orchid]

Cheaters ruined the fun in dz. You'll see same aimbot players with 3K hours and the devs don't do anything about it

[frank shoal]

Forced multiplayer is a chronic issue to ubisoft and it alienates us antisocial gamers 🦐

[prisma stump]

Actually, here's a fix for everyone to enjoy. Get rid of SHD levels above 1000

[near scarab]

Yeah I seen the invisible vid stupid

[prisma stump]

if SHD is 1000 to max out a watch, then why worry about making it so that players above 1000 get any more accolades

[torpid plume]

I see it all the time when I'm matchmaking in countdown, Most of the time anything under SHD 1000 gets kicked and when I see that I leave as soon as the countdown starts so that the host has one less player on the team because it's disgusting. New players need the most help.

[vale blaze]

Ikr

[prisma stump]

At least in Div 1, seeing someone's gear score gave an inference to their ability in the game

[vale blaze]

It's sickening people kick people with below 1000 shd

[sour meadow]

I've got a better fix. Scrap supporting the game (that does not appear to be working at all). Sack the dev team (or at least move them to a game that suits their skill set....tetris for example)and start again with people and a company who know what they are doing.......please let me know if that was harsh.

[desert plume]

I'm 1113 SHD lvl right now. I earned around 600 with floor 10. Even if they took out from me those 600 levels I don't care. Just I care for balance. Now, there are players with 15-40k of SHD levels with bunch of health boost, because of that floor 10, and new players can't catch up with that.

[summer frost]

agreed, there's so much hostility against the devs in the subreddit, it's really painful

[frank shoal]

It's ubisoft, the group everyone loves to hate

[summer frost]

I don't know, I don't want to start a moral debate but there's something about the floor 10 farming that doesn't sit right with me

[desert plume]

What I mean is the solution to remove all SHD levels earned from floor 10 for all players . That would be balanced fix

[frank shoal]

Even though their games are fantastic and I never have issues

[desert plume]

But that can't happen

[summer frost]

I don't think they have a way to know how many SHD floors are from floor 10 farming so I don't anticipate they taking that back

[full zinc]

High watches can still run wony to duplicate the watch. F10 nerf just hit new players <1000

[frank shoal]

Idk Bayes this game tracks a lot about the player

[desert plume]

Yeah, it's hard tbh

[prisma stump]

exactly

[frank shoal]

If there's a statistic on your gloves for how many car doors you've closed since you started playing anything is possible

[summer frost]

run wony to duplicate the watch?

[elfin hazel]

running wony gives you all your watch points including scav points -800 of your level

[prisma stump]

make a new character and replay the expansion to be able to gain rss from that watch

[desert plume]

Also that damage glitch I remember they knew who were using that

[torpid plume]

Well when people are frustrated with constant incompetence and a condescending dev team I can see why. Also I see why some people have issues with floor 10 but that kind of attitude doesn't help the new players coming in and still nothing is being done about the PvP hacks and the constant crashing issues. And it's only affecting those with low SHD levels.

[prisma stump]

in the end, if this was to help the game then the change would have been included in the patch notes

[full zinc]

Yeah it's totally unbalanced against new agents now. Wony runs are how most got to expertise 20.. js

[desert plume]

I didn't played the game back then, and I don't use that kinda stuff , never really. I used floor 10 since I knew that's okay, and it's a farming method literally. YOu still need to be experienced to do that,and you still need to make your way to floor 10.

[desert plume]

It's why many content creators from The Division 1 doesn't play Division 2, because of PvP. Division 1 didn't had any sort of anti cheat, but the PvP was still good, and Division 2 with anti cheat is even worse experience

[elder onyx]

The floor 10 nerf is the only real "fix" the incompetent 3rd string interns that work on the game could actually pull off. They are all high fiving each other for doing something they said they would do because the rest of this busted dumpster fire is still just that.

[bitter wraith]

I am fucking done with this waste of space garbage grind fest. Cant even fucking get some field recon without some sweaty 40 year old in his mothers basement tearing me in half

This game is shit solo.

Guess time to go blow up cargo in gta...again

[desert plume]

lol

[frank shoal]

I plead the opposite I avoid other players and I enjoy ubisoft games more for it
People suck and the dark zone offers nothing of value

[desert plume]

They are all high fiving each other for doing something they said they would do because the rest of this busted dumpster fire is still just that.
Lmao

[near scarab]

🤣🤣💀

[desert plume]

This is funny asf

[elder onyx]

Another 5gb bug. Ubi can suck a fat one.

[near scarab]

Lmfao ppl really think others won't leave you should really read the comment sections on every video about the update

[teal shard]

Couldn’t have said it better myself 😂😂😂

[frank shoal]

The better fix was just not being able to replay floors but it's serviceable

[bitter wraith]

So why tf does ubisoft have to be so dumb as to make the fastest way to get field recon by going into a area filled with sweaty people who contribute nothing to society?

[near scarab]

Serviceable is a fucking game working the way it was intended NO CRASHING AND CHEATERS

[torpid plume]

There are DZ exclusive items I want for my PvE builds when doing heroic solo content or legendary missions that I can't get because people are being sweaty weirdos in the DZ, Also trying to unlock the rouge apparel in conflict is very annoying.

[desert plume]

Imagine The Heartland mess

Free to play game

[bitter wraith]

Expertise 20. Shd 1k. Unistall. Job done.

[desert plume]

Free To Play, read it good

[frank shoal]

All the dz items I ever needed I got from season rewards but I suppose some are harder to source than others

[bitter wraith]

I probably wont even bother with that shit

[near scarab]

Spent 30$ on the expansion and I'm not getting my money's worth

[desert plume]

Yup same here. I saw that footage and tbh, agents look like Watch Dogs protagonists

[bitter wraith]

People who wonder why i kill on sight in gta...im sorry but this is why

[desert plume]

Watch Dogs 2 to be specific

[torpid plume]

Yeah it comes down to luck or lack of it.

[bitter wraith]

It isnt the game that is the problem...its the toxic community

[frank shoal]

^

[bitter wraith]

Tbh if they heavily nerfed roging in dz the game would actually be good

[torpid plume]

To be fair GTA PvP is just as toxic than Div 2 PvP

[teal shard]

The only reason why I’m gonna miss that floor 10 farm is that it finally gave my oxi build a purpose and a place where I could use it lmao

[bitter wraith]

Thata why i like that you can actually fight people your own level and avoid the toxic people compared to div 2 dz where the entire place is filled with either kids or adults and no actual chill people

[next charm]

Is there usmc outfit?

[frank shoal]

There's a reason I exhile myself from the Breakpoint, Wildlands & Div 2 community at large
Any time I try to find squadmates that aren't annoying sweats or milsimming tryhards there's no results
Then I come back after a year to a travesty like this

[next charm]

How can you get this game is it on steam?

[elfin hazel]

ubisoft connect not steam

ubisoft hasnt listed any games on steam since 2019

[frank shoal]

What

[desert plume]

#td2-general-chat message

😦

[wraith current]

Div 1 is on steam if you are interested in that tho

Just incase

[frank shoal]

I swear they did but then again i have all my ubi games though epic

[torpid plume]

Once the toxic people get your IP it's goodbye to your router tho.

[next charm]

any usmc?

outfit?

[gusty dove]

i finally got my oxi build together and they nerfed it 🤣

[wraith current]

In div 1 yes. Not in 2 really

I dont think

[bitter wraith]

Welcome to ubisoft

[desert plume]

Connect

XD

[near scarab]

Someone give me a reason to stay and not uninstall, is there any other way to get good lvls instead of 4 hours and 7 lvls?

[teal shard]

Oh didn’t see that message, Yh exactly, I mean I’ll still use my eclipse cc build cos I love it and it’s still useful in every part of the game but imma miss using my oxi build man

[torpid plume]

I rate rockstar worse than ubisoft and massive but the fact still remains that all teams mentioned are absolute flops.

[wraith current]

I have no obligation to give anyone a reason to play a game they dont like

[oak prawn]

what has general chat come to i see people giving out onlyfans now

in game

[desert plume]

No, no worries. Just I was saying the same as you... Really sad man.

[teal shard]

lol hadnt seen that yet but not surprised tbh

[torpid plume]

Lol no way

[lament mirage]

Yep u can play base or Beach or just RNG somewhere in the city

[tropic compass]

Lol why do rogues wearing glass cannon run away when i run right towards them?

[wraith current]

Cus glass cannon

[gusty dove]

girl gamers is all im gonna say

[teal shard]

actually nah the only times ill probs use that oxi build is for the league speedruns its super fun for that but thats it

[lament mirage]

U answered ur question

[bitter wraith]

Even better abt gta is that rigged rng isnt a thing

[torpid plume]

Base used to be fun and free aim RnG was amazing until the programs started being used.

[oak prawn]

yea some guy was asking for it

[torpid plume]

The good old days

[tropic compass]

Boo dude wearing glass cannon went rogue so stay and fight a shd 700 while your 6k

[lament mirage]

Good old spamming rockets and shit

[tropic compass]

Had his buddy with a mortar build stand beside me

[torpid plume]

It was fun especially when there were huge crew wars at base people had to be a lot more careful

[tropic compass]

"Search up #content on Twitter" - some random who was spamming chat self promoing

[torpid plume]

Now that orbital cannon gets used more than floor 10 did lol

[lament mirage]

I never see it these days

[desert plume]

Man this is the same feeling when DE nerfed Steel Essence stacking

In Warframe, I am feeling the same vibe

[wraith current]

I joined a gta rp server once with FiveM. Shot a cop in the face. Turns out it was an admin. Got banned for 20 years.

[lament mirage]

SHD is irrelevant in PvP n maybe he / she was chilling

[torpid plume]

I always end up in the Australia servers, It's a different kind of tryhard over there 🤣 I need to get to your kind of servers then lol.

[near scarab]

Yeah idk I might quit this game tbh.

It's hard enough finding people with no mic to run any lobbies with

[bitter wraith]

Same...the dz had so much potential

I wont fully but i will only play once a month

[tropic compass]

1st time dude went rogue and failed to kill me with his regulus so i ran right upto him which got me killed as he shotgunned me

2nd time i was right up in his face but he didn't go rogue, I wonder why

3rd time like 30 mins later he's with a group of 4 and i die immediately

But if your talking about his buddy yeah he was chilling as they weren't shooting me

[torpid plume]

Hahaha I died reading that. I play FiveM on my PC it's a pretty awesome experience and more immersive that GTA Online.

[crystal copper]

Guys ur opinion what best smg

Smg i mean

[bitter wraith]

Whats the recommened expertise level to grind to?

[crystal copper]

I mess with dark types

[full zinc]

Just noticed 😅

[crystal copper]

Yh give me ur opinion

[tropic compass]

Emilenes guard

[elder onyx]

What pisses me off most about the fl10 thing: I didn't use it because I thought it was boring, but that was some how a higher priority that refunding premium credits that cost ACTUAL MONEY because of a glitch that is totally on the devs.

[lament mirage]

I think it's caps at 20?

[crystal copper]

Is it exotic?

[lament mirage]

Named

[tropic compass]

No

[full zinc]

Expertise 21 now with new items added

[wraith current]

I agree. It's actually the only way I can play gta V cus rockstar launcher doesnt work for me. I've tried fixing it but idk

That was my first fiveM experience. I've been good since then I swear lol

[lament mirage]

I like lady death and the apartment

[crystal copper]

Is it worth p90?

Emilenes guard

[lament mirage]

Gg then ig 💪

[tropic compass]

If you can get the kills then yes. Good with and without hunters fury

[crystal copper]

That what im using

[oak prawn]

@gusty dove what is going on in centeral

[crystal copper]

Mpx dark winter

I cant use lady death cause scorpio

[tropic compass]

Lol next time i see him in dz he ain't gonna leave me alone 💀

[lament mirage]

Kill em then

[gusty dove]

some girl insulting other people

[tropic compass]

Gotta be on shotgun build then

[lament mirage]

Use AR

[full zinc]

Grudge if using HF

[tropic compass]

If only they stand still and i can aim

[lament mirage]

Keep ur distance n beam em from a far

[tropic compass]

Or i can use my mantis headshot build

[gusty dove]

i just went with banshee cuz i'm not really applying status effects to enemies anyway

[lament mirage]

There ya go

[bitter wraith]

But most dont go to 20

Considering there is no actual endgame in div 2 and i plan to play dz a lot less soon, is umbra a fun gearset to mess with in pve?

[torpid plume]

It is fun

[bitter wraith]

Is it like striker in div1?

[torpid plume]

Never played Div 1 so I couldn't say

[bitter wraith]

Ok

[lapis junco]

explain that gearset to me?

[torpid plume]

Being out of cover builds stacks that repair armour when going into cover

[mossy arch]

No
Closest to Div1 Striker is Heartbreaker here

[lapis junco]

agir

[torpid plume]

Being in cover builds stacks of crit damage and increased RPM that apply when out of cover

[lapis junco]

just from hearing that, its nothing like striker

[near scarab]

Seriously though before I quit why should I stay 😭😭

[torpid plume]

It's good for both survivability and damage

[lapis junco]

idk

Why are you asking me why u should continue to play a game you are clearly dissatisfied with

I cant tell you the answer to that question

if u dont enjoy the game u dont enjoy the game. nothing i can say will change that

[near scarab]

I mean like ways to actually compete in levels

[torpid plume]

I don't have a reason you should stay they just want your money and to nerf you so idk tbh... I'm only staying in the game because I'm above SHD 1000 and spend money on this game already but I won't be spending any more and I think I'll be on GTA and Borderlands 3 a lot more.

[near scarab]

Ways to actually be useful in pve modes

[bitter wraith]

sees umbra initiative build
cancels plans to quit

[mossy arch]

care to share?

[torpid plume]

My best advice would be to find a good clan and run heroic content with them

[bitter wraith]

Agreed tbh

[lapis junco]

That is vastly different then your oringinal questioj

lol

[bitter wraith]

The build?

[mossy arch]

yes

[bitter wraith]

Are links allowed here?

[barren crescent]

imagine being in a clan that socializes 😭

[lament mirage]

HB pretty strong tho

Well was

[lament mirage]

Can't relate

[lapis junco]

I have an HB build from a few maybe weeks back. Tried it in PVP

[mossy arch]

yep

[lapis junco]

its meh. nothing special

[bitter wraith]

Also - 200 CPs seems kinda ridiculous...imagine using the same build in dz 💀 rip black tusk army

[lapis junco]

atleast in a PVP setting

[lament mirage]

Oh shit u played

[lapis junco]

for all of 30 mins yes

[bitter wraith]

And rip you since some rogue will come and rip you apart in under a millisecond

[torpid plume]

The clans I've been in it's a requirement because we run raids or other teamwork required content

[lament mirage]

Karma

[bitter wraith]

https://youtu.be/53HN8wONwsQ

[lapis junco]

I plan on playing more whence i absorb some builds and knowledge from here

[lament mirage]

other teamwork required content mhm??

[lament mirage]

For pvp or odder actually gonna play some PvE

[bitter wraith]

I mean it is if the rogue is a troll/greifer and only killing you for the purpose of making you want to bomb the servers into oblivion

[bitter wraith]

In response to 'karma' @lament mirage

But also its just called being a dumbass for attacking someone during a landmark

But thats why countdown exists i guess lol

[lament mirage]

I mean there's no rules in the dz

[bitter wraith]

I know. But why kill people trying to grind if you can fight people who WANT to fight in conflict?

[lament mirage]

But attacking while in landmark does lack the sport

[vale blaze]

The umbra initiative weapon skin applies to all now? Before it was just the m44

[bitter wraith]

If the dz became one single area...heaven

[bitter wraith]

Wdym?

[lament mirage]

Some of the best fights happen in landmarks

[young dune]

HATE it lol

[wraith current]

I just want to see what the rogue-lite mode is gonna be like

[bitter wraith]

I mean attacking when the other guy just wants some field recon or during them killing npcs

[torpid plume]

Legendary missions, going after all the hunters in 1 session & even team PvP is much better with communication imo. It can be done without but it's much easier with so I do consider it a requirement when I'm running the content.

[bitter wraith]

At least wait for them to finish

[torpid plume]

I gave up on the team PvP part tho

[lament mirage]

Ah makes sense

[bitter wraith]

Although your on playstation so im not surprised you like mowing down chill grinders 😂

[wraith current]

Communication cuts the risk of having to maybe repeat a legendary mission lol

[torpid plume]

I don't enjoy talking on the mic I'd much rather listen to music and focus but it does help

[lament mirage]

Nah majority of my hrs in td2 is on stadia

[bitter wraith]

Oh...just forget i said anything then lmao

Umbra will be my final build for 6 months...guess ill scrap the skill build ond

[lament mirage]

K boo

[bitter wraith]

I ran out of slots

[wraith current]

Yea man I want more loadout slots

[lament mirage]

Keep the skill one

It's nice to have

[mossy arch]

do not understand why he wear umbra tbf
he dont utilize this bonuses: like at attack stage he dont stack dmg buffs in cover, and at defence stage he shoot from cover mostly.
I could clear the same CP 5 times faster with just ND, so...

[bitter wraith]

Its only used for messing around blowing up npcs with artillery and seekers

On hard or normal floors or CPs

[lament mirage]

They raised the cp cap?

[bitter wraith]

Not advided for anything more if you want to survive

[wraith current]

Keep it to tweak it to a heroic capable one

[lament mirage]

It's at 5??

[bitter wraith]

I got bored of it though

[wraith current]

Understandable. I get bored with my skill build too

[bitter wraith]

ND?

[lament mirage]

Gun builds be fun

[wraith current]

I keep it just incase its needed for rogues on heroic tho

[lament mirage]

Nego

[wraith current]

When I'm solo

[bitter wraith]

More fun to just mow down everything

[mossy arch]

Negotiator's Dilemma

[wraith current]

I started tweaking a striker build and I can say I finally see the use of bullet king

[bitter wraith]

What would you advise using for the main purpise of heroic CP clearer?

[lament mirage]

Nego is nice
Hf is nice
HB is nice
All red fmj
Etc ..

[wraith current]

Hmm I use all sorts of builds for that idk if I got one specific I would recommend

[lament mirage]

Yep really just depends on ur skill n play style

[wraith current]

And maybe if you play with certain directives too

I never play with cool skills directive

[bitter wraith]

Probably just go with umbra since HF became boring to use

[lament mirage]

Yep similar to summit

[fathom kiln]

What did they do to nerf fl10 did they decrease xp or something?

[full zinc]

It only gives once

Repeats dont give xp

Just FRD

[fathom kiln]

Is that the same with loot?

[wraith current]

I've been running a lot of my hunters fury build with two variations. One built around memento and one built around cyotoes mask and the full bonus of the hunters fury armor

[full zinc]

It will give the loot on the floor clear banner

[lament mirage]

Don't floor 70/80/90/100 still work tho

[full zinc]

Idk about npc drops though

[full zinc]

Its all the same mechanic

[lament mirage]

True

[full zinc]

100 is different tho anyways

[wraith current]

100 is tough on heroic solo

Real tough

[lament mirage]

Nah legendary solo

[wraith current]

F that lol

I havent actually done legendary summit yet lol

[lament mirage]

It's fun tho ..

[lament mirage]

U should try it

Hopefully you'll get big horn

[full zinc]

I imagine you can chesse the boss floors like you can 100 by having someone always leave and hold the checkpoint .

[wraith current]

I've tried. I still have to tweak my builds for it. I'm close to being capable

[full zinc]

But it's a waste of time tbh

[wraith current]

Yea actually one of my main goals is to get bighorn

[lament mirage]

It's nice

[wraith current]

Still dont have it. I've maybe run a total of 3 legendary missions so far

[fathom kiln]

What are the exotic assault rifles other than Capacitor and eb

[lament mirage]

Farm floor 80/90/100

[lament mirage]

Chameleon

[fathom kiln]

Oh yeah i have that too lol

[wraith current]

Is that a higher chance drop than just running missions on legendary?

[lament mirage]

It's More time effective

[fathom kiln]

I have them all then if thats it

[wraith current]

Hmm. Well time isnt mich of an issue for me rn. I might just keep doing leg missions for the rewards for those I dont have yet as well

[lament mirage]

Beats running a 30-60 min leg stronghold or less hoping the last boss drops it

[wraith current]

The apparel and weapon skins?

White tusk stuff I think

[lament mirage]

Yea but while ur trynna get big horn u can try n get other good rolls

[lament mirage]

Dunno

[wraith current]

True

[lament mirage]

Kill 2 birbs with one stone aye

[wraith current]

If I do the summit route I'll probably run my skill build to speed things up too

Maybe with my hive too

Instead of the turret

[lament mirage]

Plus Doing strongholds solo gonna take a min compared to farming 80/90/100

[wraith current]

Nah I probably was gonna matchmake for them actually lol

[lament mirage]

I think Dua is prob the easiest n less bs

[wraith current]

I'm trying to do more co-op actually. Get used to it then start making a medic type support build

[lament mirage]

A fi healer build is nice

And TP for support

[wraith current]

Yea I kinda want to be that guy that people are like "oh man thank God for this medic" lol

Come in with the clutch revives

[lament mirage]

If I ain't doing dps I prefer a tank

[wraith current]

I have trouble making tank builds. It's weird not being able to do enough damage y'know but you can just get riddled with bullets and be fine. It's weird

[lament mirage]

A tank will out live a healer which is good for keeping everyone alive since u can take the most damage n go around reviving people

[wraith current]

Yea makes sense

[lament mirage]

Both nice tho

[wraith current]

Mix in catharsis with that somehow to give out a bit of team healing

[lament mirage]

For legendary summit solo try a PFE tank build it's strong

N still does damage

[wraith current]

PFE?

I'm bad with shorthand

[lament mirage]

Protection from elites

[wraith current]

Ahhh ok ok

I still havent found one above 12%

I got two 12% as well lol

[lament mirage]

Max is like what 13% which be a needle in a hay stack to find

[wraith current]

Yea I bet lol

[lament mirage]

Tho max PFE is 70 I think which is easy to hit with improv gear

[wraith current]

Man I'm hyped for the rogue lite mode they were talking about adding. I feel that's gonna add a good bit more replayability for me outside of making builds

[lament mirage]

Never heard of it

🤔

[wraith current]

I think they talked about adding a new game mode and hinted it was gonna be rogue-lite type similar to survival in 1 where you start with nothing. I forgot when they said they were adding it tho

[lament mirage]

Get into pvp...

[wraith current]

I know I should

[lament mirage]

It can be fun sometimes

[wraith current]

There is still like 1/3 of the game I feel I havent touched regarding PvP and raid

I cant to raids with the crashes rn

[lament mirage]

Yea not worth it

Imagine doing DH n getting to razorback n it almost dead and u crash xd

[torpid plume]

I thought that was next season

[wraith current]

Oh man that would happen to me 100% that or I would DC lol

[lament mirage]

Pain

[wraith current]

It probably is

[astral jacinth]

They can’t even release apparel events on time so don’t get your hopes up lullo

[lament mirage]

Thought countdown was the last mode but cool if that gets added

[wraith current]

I'm not like hyperfocused hyped on it. Just think it would be real cool. It gets added when it gets added. No real rush on it for me

I got a ton of games to play in the meantime and things to do in this game as is

The only update that I AM actually like super hyped for is the next valheim update

[torpid plume]

It was mentioned and had a short intro scene in a trailer or promotional video recently

[full zinc]

Couple seasons down the road for new mode. Nothing solid

[wraith current]

Just a little something to maybe look forward to in the future

[lament mirage]

Guess that one prob be the last since heartlands n their other stuff is still being worked on

[wraith current]

That would make sense

I'm not hyped about heartland. I'm just leaving it be and will pop in to see when it comes

[lament mirage]

Unless they gonna continue making content for td2 after heartlands n the other games dropped

[elfin hazel]

heartland is a different dev team & a different genre

[lament mirage]

Oh aight

[elfin hazel]

doubt it'd impact the main game that much

same goes for resurgence

[wraith current]

Heartland being f2p might get some more of my friends to get div 2 or 1 if they kinda like how heartland plays

[lament mirage]

How bout xdefiant or whatever

[elfin hazel]

pretty much unrelated but still different dev team & genre

[lament mirage]

Both of those go on sale for pretty good prices and have demo's/ trials ur friends could check out for a bit n see if they like it

[wraith current]

Yea they are at least waiting for another sale. I told them to get div 1 first

So they can experience a cool DZ

And survival

Div 1 is like $5 when on sale too. Very nice

[lament mirage]

Yep and then survival is like $10

Or the season pass is like $20 or whatever so $25 pretty good

[wraith current]

Oh yea I forgot you have to pay separate for that. It's been awhile lol

Oh well it's still cheap enough

[buoyant bison]

on the trello board summit xp is still under investigation tab, its not in the fix live tab. so doesnt that mean they havent nerfed it yet?

[near scarab]

They nerfed it

They nerfed all the boss floors every 10 floors all the way to 100 is nerfed

I'm quiting anyway I seen a few talk about the convoys are also nerfed. So no hope for at least a bit of getting better faster

[dry galleon]

Where's the option to hide signature weapon???

[azure lintel]

on pc, inventory hit X for more options, its clickable at the bottom tree in the same area as show/hide mask

[dry galleon]

ty

[azure lintel]

🙂

[desert crystal]

in the options menu for signiture weapon

[reef reef]

Sorry to hear that. Theres other ways to farm shd levels but if you are leaving, sorry to see you go.

[desert crystal]

i noticed with 16.1 though it remebers if you had it hidden or not

[azure lintel]

ModMail DM gave me an endless loop of logging in via my browser and the actual discord DM to said bot not acknowledging it, so I'm just going to keep asking this in channel until someone from Ubi responds hopefully.

[reef reef]

what are you asking? DM me.

[azure lintel]

k

[lean inlet]

Am i tripping balls or was the shd paragon event pushed back 2 weeks?

[reef reef]

It was, yes.

[lean inlet]

Ah..well its (for me) probably for the best😅

[obtuse shoal]

Such as? As long as it's not an exploitation that is

[reef reef]

Convoys are still good sources of XP, from what i've heard.

[frozen meadow]

So you're quitting because they don't like exploitation of game mechanics

And because you can't get free xp

[obtuse shoal]

Good to hear I guess. Did a couple resource conveys after TU16.1 but I wasn't paying attention. The XP didn't feel too far off

[near scarab]

No I'm quiting because without being lvl 1k at least no one wants to play, and kicks/or leaves

[sleek drift]

So just farm CPs lol

[ornate nova]

Why is everyone so concerned with shd levels?? If you’re not raiding or playing on legendary all the time you really don’t even need the watch levels. Heroic content is a cake walk…Just play the game, make friends, & have fun.

[sleek drift]

I'm literally getting a level a control point

Lots of resources too

[frozen meadow]

I could give two fucks about shd level lol

[sleek drift]

Too many fucks

[frozen meadow]

I raid all the time too, it doesn't matter

[near scarab]

You guys don't care but all of the players in my weeks of playing vary very differently

[frozen meadow]

🤷‍♀️ they can be wrong in their own world

[sleek drift]

SHD doesn't mean shit and F10 inflated the 'value' of having a high level anyways

Just play

[ornate nova]

My advice would be to get in some Div 2 specific discords. There are so many great people that play this game that are chill and don’t mind helping people

[frozen meadow]

I remember back in the IH release days, a shd 3500 saying they didn't have enough dps

[near scarab]

I've been searching lol if you got any suggestions please lmk

[frozen meadow]

That's when I lost all meaning of shd level

[sleek drift]

The watch level is nice tho

At least buff wise

[frozen meadow]

I just read lfg PC and saw someone looking for f20 farms is this really what society has turned into

[sleek drift]

Does this rile you up

[elfin hazel]

build always comes first and foremost but watch level should be a somewhat reliable at a quick glance indicator

[frozen meadow]

But I've seen 80s with more experience than 3000s

[near scarab]

From the patch ive seen they fucked up alot of people's builds while trying to fix them

[frozen meadow]

The only thing I heard they fucked up is the closer vest

[elfin hazel]

already looking at the closer vest & picaros was always meant to be like this

[frozen meadow]

Does picaros have 2 cores now

[elfin hazel]

the core not being rollable to red may or may not be a bug

+15% dmg as an attribute still 1 core that currently can only be blue or yellow

[frozen meadow]

Neat

[abstract walrus]

What the actual.... I've lost half my builds stats, gun rolls maxed, gear rolls maxed, now all my hard earned and spent on builds are totally Fkd up

[frozen meadow]

?

[elfin hazel]

why I say it may or may not be a bug is because they originally said it could also be rolled to red but I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their minds on that

[ornate nova]

I pm’d you a couple of the more active ones I’ve seen. Hope it helps!

[elfin hazel]

we'll see soon enough though if it changes next patch

[exotic blaze]

What?

[elfin hazel]

seems like its leaning more towards bug https://twitter.com/MortenRyberg/status/1574793297901543426

[reef reef]

@abstract walrus Dont ping ubisoft employees.

[abstract walrus]

I never get any replies via website help or tickets, so yeah I'll ping them

[elder onyx]

The elite don't like it when the peasants get uppity.

[reef reef]

Dont.

[near scarab]

What's gonna happen they gonna not fix the game?

[abstract walrus]

There's alot of upset ppl with this patch, and to delete my post in general chat especially when I'm teting to get it known somehow is just wrong

[near scarab]

Welcome to Ubisoft

[reef reef]

I deleted it because it went against the rules of the server. Rule 11. I'll send you the text of your message if you'd like to copy and paste it again, provided you follow the rules.

[near scarab]

Oh no, something went wrong 🤣

[abstract walrus]

Oh no Ubi doesn't listen to the players tickets and respond

[torpid plume]

Because it ruins any chance of new players catching up to the rest of us. Just because it doesn't affect you and me doesn't mean that it doesn't affect new players. Try joining a countdown on a SHD level under 800-1000 and see how many times you get kicked.

[near scarab]

Really starting to see a trend here 🙄

[reef reef]

They have the trello board, and the support is stepping up their game. Send a support ticket, they'll do their best to get your issue sorted out.

[near scarab]

The game sort that out

[torpid plume]

It's easy to sit there with all your good gear and high SHD level and act like people shouldn't have a problem with what happened to floor 10.

[ornate nova]

All my builds are good. My god rolled and optimized AR’s that had rifle dmg are back to AR dmg. The only thing that got messed up were my god rolled picaro holsters. Now they half a half maxed armor roll lol 😂🤷‍♂️

[wraith current]

I've never once done the floor 10 thing.

Played for 2 years now

[ornate nova]

Yeah and there’s a simple fix… Create your own countdown where you’re group leader and open matchmaking….

[torpid plume]

Some people haven't played that long. Floor 10 was what they needed to catch up to players like you.

[exotic blaze]

Not saying that low SHDs aren't being kicked but I've ran with lower levels in heroic CD and it was no issue. There are some people getting kicked for bad builds though

[elder onyx]

The trello board is a joke. The devs are a joke. Ubisoft and everyone that is involved with putting out this dumpster fire is a joke and throwing gas on the fire. Pinging the people that run the show is not only warranted, but at this point they need to hear, loud and clear, that this is unacceptable, and they should absolutely be held accountable for taking our money and giving garbage service.

[wraith current]

I'm SHD lvl like 14500

[near scarab]

Tried it, all the higher levels left about 2 minutes in

[wraith current]

1450*

[wraith current]

There are lower shd levels with better gear than me

They probably go to DZ

[torpid plume]

Okay try telling that to the people who left the game because they don't have time to sit there all day trying to get to a viable SHD level to catch up to everyone else. Who knows maybe they will come back after hearing such amazing advice 🤣

[reef reef]

I'm sorry you feel that way. The community is the one that resurrected the game, after season 4 it was supposed to be finished. By supporting the game they've realized they got something special and are continuing to support it. Its been shaky but they are doing their best. Pinging the devs does nothing and just gets the moderators on your case. If you'd like to talk to them directly, try twitter.

[near scarab]

But they're here. Okay cool screw social media how bout we just show up at their house and ask for better info?

[oak prawn]

popcorn time

[wraith current]

Gimme some

[near scarab]

No law against asking a person about a game they know

[torpid plume]

Yeah don't do that...

[reef reef]

Thats how you get arrested.

[full zinc]

🍿

[near scarab]

Lmao it's a joke lol relax

[wraith current]

Bad joke

[reef reef]

Terrible joke.

[wraith current]

Just being real with you

[near scarab]

No law against it

[elfin hazel]

considering the stuff these devs already deal with its barely even a joke

[wraith current]

Uhhh

[near scarab]

Just happened to bump into them at the mall one day

[wraith current]

Over a video game

[ornate nova]

Viable? Lmao Quit being so dramatic. If you put half the effort into just playing the game and meeting fun people to play with as you do complaining about it and getting nowhere, you probably wouldn’t have an issue anymore Js

[elder onyx]

I don't have Twitter. I'll never have Twitter. If that's the only way to voice my opinion then what's the point of them being in this discord?

[near scarab]

I'm not saying kidnap them

[reef reef]

They arent in this discord to get constant pings and DMs, thats for sure.

[elder onyx]

And that's different from pings on Twitter how?

[near scarab]

Facts!

[reef reef]

If you want to ping them, then, go ahead.

Try it.

[elfin hazel]

because you agreed to the rules here where thats not allowed

[reef reef]

Dont say i didnt warn you, though.

[elfin hazel]

thats the difference

[wraith current]

^

[near scarab]

Answer the question

Cause on Twitter they probly won't read it

[full zinc]

And they read this?

[near scarab]

On here they don't have a choice, cause they're devs. On Twitter there is no rule saying ping them or not

[elder onyx]

Look, I'm not dumb enough to actually think that they even have this discord pulled up, ever, but at the same time, I also think that they should suffer the annoyance of being blasted for putting out trash.

[sleek drift]

Why are they even in here if they don't want to be pinged

[near scarab]

Have someone text the update before sending it out

Once we asked what's the difference he disappeared

[wraith current]

Jeez lmao

[reef reef]

Oh, i'm here.

[wraith current]

I'm out of popcorn

[near scarab]

Not mad at you homie

[reef reef]

I'm not arguing this anymore. Just waiting.

[elfin hazel]

I think they're just waiting for you to slip up somewhere ☻

[near scarab]

Just confused on why stuff gets messed up

[feral pagoda]

Skeleton crew

[tender notch]

It's not the only option, the feedback on the official forums too.

Also the point is they choose to be in their discord, no one forced them.

[reef reef]

Because game development isnt easy.

Communicating whats in every patch isnt easy.

[near scarab]

Thats why testing is a thing

[elfin hazel]

also not an easy thing

[near scarab]

That's why betas exist well not in this case. But they have to have an account

[elder onyx]

If I did this poorly at my job I'd get fired. Time to clean house is what it looks like to me.

[near scarab]

Ummm

[barren crescent]

honestly no dev of any game has ever given one whit of care for fans unless its affecting the bottom line. thresholds if you will. One dude mad aint nothing, 10000 doods made....you have their attention

[reef reef]

Testing also isnt perfect, last minute changes, even small ones, can break things.

[torpid plume]

Stating facts isn't being dramatic. I'm at SHD 1450 so I don't need floor 10 anymore but I'm not going to be ignorant and act like I can't understand why people have a problem with not being able to reach that level now without sitting on the game for a long time to do what I did in a week. I'll leave that to people like you who don't understand that the grind for beginners with lives outside of the game is now much more difficult and less enjoyable because of the time consumption.

[near scarab]

They nerfed floor 10 and didn't mention it

[feral pagoda]

Honestly, are you surprised

[near scarab]

I get it it's an exploit bad thing okay great, but you can announce it

They said they fixed the stinger 1 shotting in pvp yet here we are

Wouldn't happen if they tested it

[full zinc]

It's been on known issues board. We all knew this was coming.

[wraith current]

Yea I thought they did mention it lmao

[near scarab]

He said it's hard to communicate but they have a page

[wraith current]

Even I knew it was coming

[near scarab]

That they post in here

[torpid plume]

Meanwhile people with expertise 20 closer chestpieces have the wrong attribute and the c word is still running rampant in PvP. But some people can't understand why some people have an issue with prioritising nerfs over fixing serious issues.

[near scarab]

exactly my point

Idc if you fix it, just don't break everything in the process

[elfin hazel]

impossible ask for anything regarding code

[near scarab]

I'm not the best with code. But testing exists

[elder onyx]

The crashes to desktop and disconnect issues were listed as a higher priority. Still not fixed. Yet they nerf fl10, which I never actually cared about because I found it boring and it doesn't effect anything but PVP, and didn't bother to fix anything else.

[elfin hazel]

yeah and testing takes a long time and is way more than you'd expect

[wheat zinc]

Nobody is the best with everything

[full zinc]

Just stop. It's stupid to argue that they keep.an exploit.

[rotund osprey]

yeah i remember when companies paid like 5 guys and said hey break my game XD

[full zinc]

And I'm #1 to advocate ppl run f10

[near scarab]

On god haha

Idc about floor 10 it's just an example

[full zinc]

It keeps coming up I'm your arguement

[cyan orbit]

True but like atleast mention it in the patch notes, thats why take on it. Patch it out thats fine but just say you did and what the new rates are etc.

[feral pagoda]

Honest Question:

Would you prefer if the game had stopped development at Season 4?

[near scarab]

They mentioned they fixed a gun that ain't even out yet in the notes

[feral pagoda]

That they just abandoned it in it's state then?

[elfin hazel]

preemptive fix

[elder onyx]

Actually, yes. Because all they've done was massively screw up a once stable and fun game.

[near scarab]

Honestly the longest list of fixes I seen was in the apparel 👀

[full zinc]

It's been on the board that a fix was coming. We didnt need patch notes cause it was tested and known withing 10 minutes of patch launching 🤣

[ornate nova]

I understand it’s better to just move on and have fun than wallowing in self pity making things up like “viable shd level” and using it as an excuse to cry instead of playing the game and working towards their goal…
I quit the game for over a year and came back with no shd level and before even making it to shd lvl 350 I did everything there is to do in the game. Legendaries, iron horse, the NY hunters, dark hours on hardcore , etc…
So yeah. No such thing as “viable shd level”. It’s only as real as you make it 😂
I started over. I’ve been through it. I had to “catch up”. It was fun. I met new people and made new friends and learned new things along that journey. Anyone else can do the same

[cyan orbit]

I dont really read the trello board or knew about it, i knew it was gonna be patched at some point but just didnt know when. Not everybody is so into div2 they read the entire trello board. Just announce it in the patch notes job done

[full zinc]

It's been out. It on you to find the info

[near scarab]

Okay 1 shotting ppl with the stinger, they said they fixed still broke. "Fixed" armor, broke alot of it. Fixed ARs from the rifle damage thing. Broke weapon damage on the attributes for the holster

[full zinc]

Its been tweeted and shared here multiple times

[elfin hazel]

not all patches make it into patch notes this goes for every game

[near scarab]

It seems when they touch something it gets fixed but not in the correct way

[wraith current]

If you're in this discord you have plenty of ways to see the info you need

[rotund osprey]

especially since the fix to floor 10 was gonna make at least 50% of the community go nuclear

[elfin hazel]

welcome to development

[full zinc]

Anyways you guys pissed right now... preaching to the choir 💯

Get on twitter or the forums

[wraith current]

Or just ask someone here lol

[rotund osprey]

twitter? who uses twitter for important news?

[wraith current]

Its what I always do and I get quick answers

[rotund osprey]

forums are a given

but just for reporting bugs

[full zinc]

It's a game. This is important news?

Get a grip

[near scarab]

Need a distraction from boredom

[full zinc]

It's not that serious

[near scarab]

Okay deck what if you got paid to do the coding

[rotund osprey]

who are you yelling at its not your problem calm down

[elder onyx]

It's a game I paid good money for, and it's nothing more than a dumpster fire now.

[near scarab]

And messed it up, idk about you but I'd get replaced haha

He's not yelling lol

[sleek drift]

ok now that the community is in a tizzy, let's do some even more ludicrous changes

[full zinc]

[sleek drift]

also hit 1k

[rotund osprey]

looks back over course of 15 mintues yep your the chillest guy here XD

[near scarab]

Oh god we all can't wait for the next update

[sleek drift]

based

[reef reef]

If you are having that bad of a time in game, just take a break from it. There are other games that are very good out right now. Theres no reason to fester on how bad you perceive a game to be.

[wraith current]

For real

[feral pagoda]

Then there's the response.

The game was never meant to continue beyond S4, and they decided to do it anyways because of the community's wishes.

How can we judge the programmers, and if so, on what basis? They're people after all. They're not machines that constantly pump out code and fixes 24/7.
We already know that the game is currently running on a skeleton crew, as opposed to the workforce that existed before.
A crew of around 30 developers have to lift up resulting code of a studio's worth of developers.

If anything, this complaining solves nothing, does nothing, and only ends up bringing probable burnout to the programmers.

Just quit the game if it bothers you this much.

[rotund osprey]

im sorry i think we just need to calm down its really not that bad

[sleek drift]

as long as they don't fuck over the optimization i'll be happy

TU15 had me stuttering so bad and 16 fixed it

[near scarab]

Oh they'll find a way

[sleek drift]

As long as I don't play with chrome open I'm getting good fps

[wraith current]

Chrome is horrible to have open while doing anything else lol

[rotund osprey]

it actually hasn't been crashing as much either i will admit it does still sometimes but not constantly

[torpid plume]

Like I said it's easy to sit there and act like anyone who doesn't agree with you is just making things up and crying but in reality not everyone has the same experience as you and it's perfectly valid for them to have issues with this. Okay you had fun but that doesn't invalidate everyone else's opinion so that is a weak argument and you are obviously missing the point. If you can't comprehend why people have a problem with what happened to floor 10 then that's okay but players who you are referring to are not wallowing in self pity. I for one feel bad for the new players who didn't have the chance to catch up and can't find players who will raid with them or either kick them from a countdown or leave the one they host because of their low SHD level. Not a very good way to keep them in the game.

[sleek drift]

Worst I got post U16 was the occasional ctd

[wraith current]

Same for me. I still crash sometimes but it's gotten better

[sleek drift]

Otherwise it felt pretty good

[wraith current]

Well let them speak for themselves.

[rotund osprey]

same its the exact reason i don't recommend people play warframe for the same reasoning

theres too much for a new player to grasp without a whale account to baby them through

[austere harbor]

Yeah it can be hard to find people to play with or that will stick with groups you create when your shd level is only double digits

[rotund osprey]

its a vicious cycle of pros quiting or taking breaks while new players have double to catch up on

[torpid plume]

They are. I'm just responding to why people have an issue with it because some people dont get it.

[rotund osprey]

division 2 thankfully isn't that bad by comparison though

[cyan orbit]

Idk if you tried this already but turning vsync off and limiting my fps to 100 has caused me to have 0 crashed so far in a week time

[rotund osprey]

i'll try that still its not as bad as it used to be

[wraith current]

Do you use backup requests?

Or matchmake straightup?

[ornate nova]

I didn’t say I didn’t have any bad experiences or didn’t get kicked did I?? I just moved forward and continued playing the game. I’m not invalidating anyone. Everything I said is true. Positivity and persistence towards attaining a goal is better than being negative and complaining is it not??

Why are you even mentioning fl10? It’s not patched and there’s no eta on the patch. If people need shd levels that bad they can still do it lmao.

[austere harbor]

All the time, I’ve had people straight up leave, and a couple times had people message me making fun of my low level

[sleek drift]

It's arguably funnier when higher SHD lvls are putting out backup requests to the point a noob shows up

[wraith current]

That is weird. I usually help low levels cus I know what I'm getting into with a backup request. It even shows what mission and level you need help with

Level of difficulty that is

[austere harbor]

Yeah

[sleek drift]

Unless you're the one putting one out

[novel laurel]

Floor 10 is patched tho lmao

[austere harbor]

I’ve gone through a fair amount of backup requests myself

[wraith current]

Beyond me why someone would answer a backup request to just leave lol

[austere harbor]

Yeah it’s weird

[feral pagoda]

A few gems of Higher SHD Levels are actually braindead

I recall one running 3 FB with a PGC on Legendary once lmao - and complained to us when he kept dying while he was pushing every single time

[ornate nova]

I didn’t see it in the patch notes anywhere

[near scarab]

Omg you have not been listening

It's okay though

[near scarab]

Hey mercy wanna play sometime? I'm only lvl 139 so we can grind

[wraith current]

I thought you were gonna uninstall

[feral pagoda]

Lmao

[near scarab]

Earlier I asked for a reason to stay

[torpid plume]

Yeah it is always better to work towards a goal and find positivity in that but for a lot of people floor 10 was exactly that. It was for me when I needed it and when I reached 1000 I was pretty happy about it.

And floor 10 has been patched it was confirmed.

[wraith current]

Yea you did a lot

[near scarab]

Well there you go

[wraith current]

Only took several hours

When you could have just used lfg

[near scarab]

I do

[wraith current]

Ok

[pliant sentinel]

how good is skill builds on tidal/zoo legendary

[near scarab]

You think I already haven't tried all the resources given?

You seriously think I'm joking when I say noone cares about you if you're a low lvl

[feral pagoda]

Skill Builds depend on the synergy/playstyle of the team

[wraith current]

Certainly didnt think it was a joke lol

[feral pagoda]

As an example, in one of the TBs I played - we heavily relied on 3 players to run skill builds for the long run

Took a goddamn hour and a half

[pliant sentinel]

ok nice, cause thats the only build i use for leg

[feral pagoda]

In contrast, Tank Build - left end side of the final boss area; quicker run, but difficult survivability

So it really depends

Generators, might(?) give you problems.

No idea how their fix affected the HP values

[novel laurel]

It was a silent nerf so people didn’t get in an uproar about it

Wasn’t in patch notes

[feral pagoda]

So much contrasting info everywhere lmao

[runic pier]

Just picked this game up a week ago and learned about floor 10 and thought cool a way to catch up a little. Needless to say they just made my decision to get MW2 a whole lot easier

[torpid plume]

I'd also say people have such a problem with it because it was rushed out but more serious issues like the ones I stated earlier are still in the game and have been for some time.

[wraith current]

Why would you start floor 10 only a week in?

[torpid plume]

A shame. I'm just lucky I got in when I did or I'd be doing the same.

[dim rune]

get used to at big companies. they quick to fix fun stuff, less quicker to fix actual issues 😄

[runic pier]

I had to lvl and actually play the game and find a guild to play with

[feral pagoda]

Guild put a level cap?

[little arch]

hey everyone sorry if this has been asked already, do heroic cp's not spawn named bosses anymore?

[novel laurel]

Managed to hit just under 2k shd with at least 1000 from floor 10

[novel laurel]

they should

[little arch]

both manhunt cp's didnt

[feral pagoda]

Heroic CPs still spawn named bosses for me

Ah

[little arch]

havent done normal map ones yet

[feral pagoda]

I believe the Manhunt ones don't

[little arch]

ah ok