td2-build-advice

[ocean wyvern]

Force Multiplier + Impetus for me

[weak pike]

I love impetus

[ocean wyvern]

I just wish there was room for a waveform in it

[weak pike]

You run ninja backpack I assume?

[ocean wyvern]

Not at all, I don't touch NBB

[weak pike]

Fair enough

[ocean wyvern]

I don't find NBB gains anything over a proper piece

[lost wren]

is first bloom obtainable anymore or no?

[tall shoal]

The force multiplayer backpack is too good with the drones.

[ocean wyvern]

Sadly no

[lost wren]

also yeah nbb for pve isn't great

[lost wren]

sad, seemed like an alright pvp weapon to use

[weak pike]

I love ep foam status build. Damage isn't my goal it's spreading it

[ocean wyvern]

do you run a courier on that build?

[weak pike]

Yep

[ocean wyvern]

hell yeah

[velvet raven]

I am a but confused with striker build on escalation. Do we use classic striker on T5 esca or do we benefit from using The Hollow Man ?

Then at which escalation tier do we benefit from using The Hollow Man ?

[ocean wyvern]

First question would be are you using LMGs?

[velvet raven]

Got both MK46 and Lexington

[weak pike]

Damage to armor is better but that's my opinion

[ocean wyvern]

Admittedly, I'm not super well versed on high tier escalations, I don't think you need Hollow Man until like T6-7, usually T5+ wants the striker chest for the extra stacks

[lost wren]

t5-t6 and above i believe is when hollow man begins to get good iirc

[ocean wyvern]

Not in higher tiers, usually the health is the hardest part of the bar to get through if you're not on an AR

[lost wren]

right now i run hollow man and ceska, as much as i like overdogs i want more consistency, the enemy that poses the largest threat might not be the lowest ranking enemy

[weak pike]

I'm still waiting for the day eclipse protocol is in a escalation mission 😭

[lost wren]

i unfortunately missed the striker one

oh well

[weak pike]

Got my 4 I wanted and dipped

[tall shoal]

I wish I could use my EP vile build more 🙁

[weak pike]

Why can't you?

[velvet raven]

So if you run on lexington you may not need that extra health damage given by the hollow man ?

[lost wren]

what tiers of escalation are actually worth doing for good drops even?

[weak pike]

Quality isn't determined by tier if I recall

[lost wren]

asking more about drop rates

[tall shoal]

Status does nothing in escalation at a point and then heroics just die too fast now. So only time is leggos

[ocean wyvern]

I find T5s give a decent drop rate for time investment

[sullen night]

What LMG do people generally use for Equalizer, Overdogs + 4x Tipping Scales? M249 with Measured, or is one of the Exotics really good with it?

[weak pike]

DUDE,they need to remove that modifier

[tall shoal]

I'll take the emp removal first, or the knock back can at least gtfo

[weak pike]

Was doing white oak Friday and the last enemy was immune in a unreachable boundary

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like Raucey is about to prove I know nothing about high escalations

[weak pike]

Due to the modifier jammer pulse couldn't hurt him we lost tokens cause if that dumb crap

In short,remove it

[tall shoal]

I'm just hoping the modifiers rotate to new things for us to hate

[urban latch]

There's not exactly a clear definitive line. Obliterate vs striker chest each have its pros and cons. The spongier enemies are, the more it leans towards striker chest. But there will always be certain parts of each combat engagement, at least always the start, where obliterate will build up quicker and be stronger for a period of time. My line striker striker chest is roughly T5+

Hollowman is similar. It's so valuable in high tiers because chungas require so.much damage, and there's a lot of value in quickly getting rid of red ads which at higher tiers are spongey.

I just keep striker chest and hollowman on the same load out and obliterate strikers without it.

[weak pike]

I honestly don't mind hotfoot especially if you have a good healer

[velvet raven]

Very good thank you! Is the hollow man still useful at higher tiers while using lexington ?

[urban latch]

Ok this is a huge misconception people have. CC still applies when they still have the majority of their armor/health, and is still very effective. You don't want to run a dedicated CC player, or run like a fire eclipse build, but CC from amalgam is super strong. And a healer throwing fire grenades to proc sledge and CC is tremendously effective

[lost wren]

perfect sledge and opportunist helps so much

[ocean wyvern]

So would CC be better as a start to the engagement?

[urban latch]

You basically spawn camp with fire grenades.

You can actually play quite aggressive at T10 when it's done right

[tall shoal]

It was a reference to a vile EP. And it does use fire. I end up not being able to spread on kills because they go immune

[weak pike]

Again I say they do not need status immunity

[tall shoal]

I usually go blinder and fire sticky the lowest HP then laugh in vile as the whole room is blind and burning like it's a game of thrones episode. I can't live that power fantasy in escalation though 🙁

[weak pike]

I wish we could man 😢

[tall shoal]

I do once a week for the leggo weekly at least.

[ocean wyvern]

I'm sure we'll get different modifiers next season anyways, so it'll be a whole new nuisance to play around in escalation

[urban latch]

I dont think its going to change the dominance of strikers and FI though

[ocean wyvern]

It won't, but it might give CC a bleeding chance

[magic pilot]

CC is still strong

[tall shoal]

Strikers will always be top because of how easy the mechanic is vs its pay off.

[magic pilot]

its way ahead of most other sets dps wise

theres been some creep to that more recently though

[tall shoal]

although i do prefer tipping over strikers in group content, but striker just destroys all parts of this game. want to do stupid damage? 6 red striker, want to be a bruiser? 3 blue striker, want to be tanky and still do dmg? 6 blue striker and chameleon.

[magic pilot]

i know what you mean but its not even that diverse. red strikers clears 99% of the game

[tall shoal]

pretty sure someone out here even has a 6 skill tier capacitor strikers build. Nerd.

[magic pilot]

CoCo is better for that

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[tall shoal]

is that sacrifice?

[hollow comet]

St Elmo and striker set viable for escalation, if so what 4 striker slots u use?

[magic pilot]

yes

[livid sorrel]

maybe if it was some bs like enemies gain damage reduction when hit

[ocean wyvern]

Can you explain this build out a little bit? I know it's not random BS but I'm not quite seeing what it's supposed to be purpose wise

[vernal wing]

Bag chest knees holster
Hollowman (Ceska mask if no Hollowman) and overdogs. Usually want a frenzy LMG secondary

[magic pilot]

for lower tiers elmo is fine, higher tiers youll want a frenzy mk46. usually i go something like this #td2-build-advice message

[hollow comet]

Ah kk ty

[magic pilot]

i usually run smart cover precision and decoy. its just more utility for lower dmg

when smart cover is up provides huge damage for self+team

[tall shoal]

Concentrated company works by you get stacks based on how many things shoot a target when it dies, so your turrets and drones all help build stacks. gives weapon dmg and crit dmg up to 35 times. capacitor gives weapon dmg from skill tiers

[ocean wyvern]

The CoCo skill setup just wasn't a build I expected to see, it seems interesting and I enjoy good offmeta creations

[magic pilot]

since CoCo is WD/CHD and striker is a unique multiplier CoCo ends up being slighty better for yellow hybrids

[ocean wyvern]

Got it, that makes sense, I wasn't against the build, it was just something I haven't seen before

[magic pilot]

its fun for groups, wouldnt recommend for solo play

[tall shoal]

its harder to build stacks solo without skills. its amazing in countdown though

[ocean wyvern]

CoCo is always a setup that seems like it plays well in group play (outside of pestilence shenanigans)

[magic pilot]

yea true, the pesti version is fun

[tall shoal]

bluescreen all the way. 2 reasons to mark targets, build stacks and CC everyone. then murder

[ocean wyvern]

I'm gonna give Bluescreen Negotiator's another try

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe is a huge fan

[tall shoal]

ND and sheriff is fun also

[weak pike]

I wanted to run a eclipse bleed build but the damage is too low

[magic pilot]

I tried sheriff, unless they change it so reticle is small even when moving it'll sit in the stash

[ocean wyvern]

I still want a sidearm-slot shotgun called the deputy

[weak pike]

St Elmo's with eclipse is great. Spread occasional shock with whatever else you use

[ocean wyvern]

I'm curious how this would work

[tall shoal]

i use ND + sheriff for solo retals. clears the waves and kill squads super quick, and i just post up in cover

[weak pike]

I use it it's funny to spread fire and shock to stuff

[ocean wyvern]

I more was referring specifically to the bleed part, what would be your leadoff for proccing bleed?

[weak pike]

Uh stinger hive or occasionally shrapnel

[ocean wyvern]

I forget about stinger hive so often

[tall shoal]

can also use seeker mine or mortar

[grizzled kelp]

hi guys
would give a good build for fighting four hunters at once in solo/duo

[weak pike]

If the bleed ticks were stronger I'd run ep instead but that ongoing backpack buffs it

[tall shoal]

foam and scorpio are both good at locking down hunters.

[grizzled kelp]

thanks

[woeful vector]

Carnage and Scorpio or pestilence for ongoing directive build?

[tepid flume]

Carnage/Scorpio

[woeful vector]

Thought so. What I’m running now

[tepid flume]

Pestilence doesn't actually proc OD to begin with

[weak pike]

I miss pestilence actually being status instead of a debuff

[tall shoal]

TINKERER! sadist and whatever the other ones calld

[woeful vector]

Oh, does it ticks not count as a status?

[weak pike]

It used to

[tepid flume]

Yh

[ocean wyvern]

Pressure point

[tepid flume]

I actually should get my OD build right I remember it was p fun

[tall shoal]

thats the one

[ocean wyvern]

When? I don't remember it ever being able to use the status effect buffs

[smoky latch]

Scorpio does that better

[weak pike]

It was when it first released but it got changed cause it was broken in pvp

[weak pike]

True but I still enjoy it

[ocean wyvern]

Ahhh, makes sense, I don't remember Y1 all that much

back when clutch was a chest talent

[tall shoal]

clutch use ot go hard

[weak pike]

I want mad bomber as a backpack talent to pair with collector

[ocean wyvern]

one of my clanmates has been using it recently and it gets him out of sticky situations

[tall shoal]

i use it with my heartbreaker. not sure if it its better than just having regen and bloodsucker though

[ocean wyvern]

it's not an end all be all and it's not "moar damage", but it's a consideration for survivability in DPS

[ocean wyvern]

regen + bloodsucker seems a little overkill for heartbreaker

[tall shoal]

was refering to the liquid engineer backpack. 1% regen for the set bonus and perfect bloodsucker. sorry, im negotiating with a dog to come inside because air condition is a thing, brain not working.

[ocean wyvern]

Ahhh gotcha gotcha, that makes sense then

I'd say that would be better than clutch

[livid sorrel]

bro got da Negotiator's Dilemma with da Overdogs

[tall shoal]

It's a must in that set imo. Can always get use out of it

[ocean wyvern]

Overdogs is hell for me

I get that they're amazing, and ND makes them even more worth it, but it's such a nightmare for me

[upper rover]

If I have a mask and holster open with TS, salvo and coyotes is the best or? I might free gloves if I get mask (cope)

[livid sorrel]

They're still a good buff even if you're not paying attention. You'd have to go out of your way not to hit the right tier to make them worse than Contractors

[livid sorrel]

overdogs equalizer is the best, but if you really must that should work decently

[lone wadi]

you can just free up gloves with a non proto mask

[upper rover]

That's like rly boring

And so pre 2024

[vernal wing]

Tinkerer and Equalizer

[upper rover]

That could work if I had tinkerer

[solar sable]

Salvo doesn't build up TS stacks quicker.

[upper rover]

Well the chest part no, I got nice roll

[vernal wing]

It’s guaranteed drop

[upper rover]

Isn't fire rate more dps?

Ig less fire rate but more dmg could be better

[solar sable]

i.e. yes but with TS you don't really need more

[livid sorrel]

You get most of TS DPS from the stacks. More fire rate means you burn through ammo faster and have less ammo at max stacks

[upper rover]

Hm is there anything else for holster then?

[solar sable]

some people love Nimble on TS

[livid sorrel]

Not really. Just stick to regular if you don't have it proto yet. Don't change your entire build just to fit in a proto piece that's only very marginally better.

[upper rover]

I'm not changing anything tho, I'm farming for the build for fun

But I'm not going to farm bis either

[livid sorrel]

then why ask here, atp just use whatever if you just want to use what's fun

[upper rover]

Best build with what I have available... Ig ppl don't know anything else then meta huh

Or can't give advice beyond suggesting meta

[solar sable]

we also know meme builds but we don't recommend them unless asked to

there's a difference

[livid sorrel]

It's not completely bad, but obviously we'll point you to the meta in here

[livid sorrel]

like we could've ended the conversation here

[solar sable]

Underestimating what we do here is only for "meta" is funny ngl.

[upper rover]

Oh wait I have a mask nvm just not good augument

[vernal wing]

That’s like going to a financial advisor and telling him you want to invest in GameStop for the memes.

[livid sorrel]

The humble 5 proto gearset NBB build

[upper rover]

The game is so easy talking about meta loses a point ngl

[solar sable]

There's more stuff than you think there is. The game is math heavy and it has its logic. Go look at iKia's "rambling talks" about builds and old content and you'll see there's much more than just "meta"

TechTanks for example aren't meta and they have a little bit of their stuff

[upper rover]

The only limitation is devs requiring u to do their expected dps for the content. Instead of making gameplay harder mechanic wise

[solar sable]

Anyways, you're going off topic rn

[upper rover]

True

Eh nimble seems... Just survivability

[uneven sleet]

which tier in escalation i can farm w my actual loadout

[magic pilot]

4-5 max

[livid sorrel]

I'd say T4 and below

[buoyant perch]

5 and below

[upper rover]

What about picaros and either tinkerer or contractors

[uneven sleet]

whats is the weakest thing rn in my loadout

[lost wren]

tipping scales

[buoyant perch]

Missing Mk46 with Frenzy

[lost wren]

60 chc and up to 323 chd i think

[subtle bluff]

The better question it’s more on you than the build when you’re that low of SHD.
Are you able to solo heroics rather easily?

[uneven sleet]

yeah thats what im trynna farm now

[lone wadi]

shd watch not maxed missing stats and frenzy lmg

[uneven sleet]

what type of heroics

[lost wren]

is frenzy the lmg talent to use for TS as well or?

[subtle bluff]

Any..

[lost wren]

what's the mag size recommended for mk46 TS

[uneven sleet]

i solo cps in heroic idk what else

[lost wren]

ah, you were responding to somebody else

[livid sorrel]

missions

[buoyant perch]

150

[lone wadi]

how are your stats with that build

[uneven sleet]

didnt try

[subtle bluff]

Missions like you would do escalation..

[lost wren]

for tipping scales?

[uneven sleet]

im missing a bp with good stats

[subtle bluff]

Is your library maxed out for reds?

[solar sable]

Also, @uneven sleet, Escalations really shouldn't be your focus at your level. They are going nowhere, you'll miss almost nothing.

Your focus should be on other stuff. Escalations are end-end-game.

[upper rover]

There's rly nothing else to do other than escalations imo. As long as u got the good gear

[lone wadi]

not only is it important to have the right pieces on a build, but also the right stats, get close to 60 crit chance and rest into damage, as you level up ur shd watch you can swap stuff over

[buoyant perch]

30 mag if you want faster mag dmp to activate frenzy.
50 mag if you want more damage coz frenzy scales with mag size.

[uneven sleet]

dont think so, i js got the important ones

[solar sable]

Then you're missing lots of stuff if you think there's nothing else to do

[lost wren]

ah so either works cool

just looking for an alternative to striker even though they play very similar

[livid sorrel]

Proto gear will just end up carrying you at your level, and you'll rely on it too much

[solar sable]

this too

[uneven sleet]

yeah i mean i wanna reach 1k shd level but whats the best way to reach it like faster, idc playing the whole same mission thousand times

[solar sable]

check #ask-td2-community pins

[smoky latch]

That's a misconception in a looter shooter that builds on repetitiveness

[upper rover]

Other than build what? Shd lvls? Useless don't need anything above 100-250 to do them t5 max i mean

If u did your raids and uh incursion, don't care about blueprints (still haven't used them once) escalation is next

[solar sable]

Wrong

[livid sorrel]

Like yeah you could get a perfect proto striker right out of level 40 and just call it there, but there's more things to do than that
It's fun, like you said earlier

[upper rover]

You could do manhunts and story for fun

[uneven sleet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bj2XzBsvKdYpL7rDzwqy36dPNMHSJz-FEL4fLcJsxWE/edit?tab=t.0

this right? ty

[smoky latch]

I pray Escalations are made available to players with level 30 expertise. At least come tier 6 or something

[upper rover]

That would be so boring ngl, ppl would quit faster than they get expertise 30 so unless you want to filter playerbase to nothing then yeah

[smoky latch]

People are already quitting left and right with the current system

[lost wren]

this good for stat distribution?

[livid sorrel]

What's boring is steamrolling the game with gear too strong for anything besides the mode it was made for

[upper rover]

I came back just cuz the system... there's actually something to do after 4 years

[solar sable]

get accuracy and handling mods on your lmg, you don't want more CHD

[lost wren]

oh really? cool

[livid sorrel]

TS gives you so much CHD that you can afford some handling mods

[upper rover]

That's player error tho not game, you kinda choose if you want to be op or not. Imo at least or you can run meme build for fun.

[lost wren]

1 weapon handling, 1 accuracy, 1 stability

should be good

[ocean wyvern]

Does anyone have the 1886 Headhunter build handy?

[lost wren]

i do

[ocean wyvern]

can I get the screenshot please?

[lost wren]

will do one sec

[solar sable]

this but Chainkiller and The Gift (if you have it)

[lost wren]

no

[ocean wyvern]

Eagle's grasp for the gloves?

[solar sable]

can but nah

[lost wren]

2 pc zwia is better for the rifle damage

scales better for headhunter

[solar sable]

Marginally better, the difference is not that noticeable

[ocean wyvern]

My current setup w/ Eagle's grasp

[lost wren]

here's one with ovd

[smoky latch]

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[lost wren]

it's either this or this w/o ovd

[subtle bluff]

Um..

[stone python]

Hello fellow Agents

[ocean wyvern]

uh oh, I feel like I woke chow's bad side

[subtle bluff]

I think I need to change everyone’s 1886 builds..

[lost wren]

[subtle bluff]

No no. You’re fine.

[solar sable]

you're right... IT NEEDS NBB!

[subtle bluff]

………

[solar sable]

ragebait successfully executed

[subtle bluff]

3x BP, overdogs, chain and overlord BP.

[ocean wyvern]

no Zwia period?

[lost wren]

interesting

[subtle bluff]

It’s a higher cold shot with this.

It’s weird thought but after testing

[ocean wyvern]

so it's a white death/M700 scenario?

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[ocean wyvern]

higher cold shot, marginally lower top range for WD, vice versa for m700

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t change the top end too much

Only really the first.

[ocean wyvern]

I'll have to experiment, tbf I only use Eagle's Grasp because I suck and weapon handling is a godsent

[lost wren]

muy interesante

[sullen night]

is Chainkiller in the general loot pool?

[subtle bluff]

Not to say you need to do but in speeds we use diamondback for our first shot or kill to get a lil more since we’re rather close to our first target.

Shouldn’t be needed normally just extra notes

[ocean wyvern]

Is that just to get headhunter stacked up a bit higher on the cold shot?

[subtle bluff]

More or less

[ocean wyvern]

it is, targeted W&H will net it pretty quick in my expereience

There's a part of me that wonders what the damage with 3xBP + 3x Hotshot looks like

but I'm not willing to put that monstrosity together

[tall shoal]

I think a YouTuber did it already. It tickles the back of my brain with a ninja bag involved

[vernal wing]

That sounds pretty bad….

[onyx sage]

it's pretty bad

[vernal wing]

It’s just HSD and WH

What’s makes a MMR build good is usually Chainkiller

[smoky latch]

HH in general

[vernal wing]

Is there ever a reason to run regular HH over Chainkiller?

[smoky latch]

Sometimes

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Depends as usual

[vernal wing]

20% rifle damage better than the extra 150 from PHH?

[smoky latch]

It's so much WD there shouldn't be much of a difference

Also to be able to use Fox's

[smoky latch]

Uh

You'd be better off with Overdogs

[shy basalt]

first that won't even work

[weak pike]

Wdym

[shy basalt]

because you're using a SMG and LMG lol

[weak pike]

It's a rifle not a smg

[sullen night]

still wont work

need 2 weapons of the same type, non named, non exotic

[shy basalt]

go stare at tinkerer for 30 more seconds lol

[weak pike]

My b chill

[stone python]

That OD+ Tinkerer build i was using yesterday just deletes mobs in Escalation T4

[weak pike]

Yeah I just blundered slightly it's fixed lol

[smoky latch]

You should try this if you wanna experiment with off-meta builds:
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[solar sable]

Mom, the dogs are on fire

[sullen night]

Do ppl run Bluescreen on Tipping Scales in Escalation or is it bad for DPS compared to an m249 with measured?

No idea if the exotic talent is all that useful

[smoky latch]

Works as a support build I'd say

Damage not bad plus most NPCs can be staggered

[sullen night]

Righto, I'm only running lower tier, so might be fine either way

[smoky latch]

On lower tiers you won't have issues

[vernal wing]

You don’t need hazpro or regen for a backfire build, and in fact, you neuter your damage by having either, on top of already nerfing your damage compared to a regular striker build due to damage falloff while using an smg.

[solar sable]

bro that was last month

almost a month ago

[subtle bluff]

I’d like to see how “well” that backfire build would do in solo or duo +T8.

[solar sable]

god tier build my ass

[smoky latch]

We still have not seen a clip from his glorious T10 runs

[solar sable]

he ran out of time fs

[lost wren]

rogue agents at t7

[smoky latch]

T10 rogues or bust

[solar sable]

T10 Legendary when

[smoky latch]

Lmao

[solar sable]

I can just dream

[smoky latch]

I don't think any dev likes touching the topic "legendary"

[solar sable]

I think @onyx sage would like to solo T10 Legendary Zoo

just sayin

[chrome dome]

what is the preffered striker build for higher tier escalations?

[solar sable]

4pc Strikers and any two of:
Contractors/Overdogs/Ceska Gloves
Ceska bag w/Vigi
Hollow Man

[smoky latch]

This or with Overdogs

Can also use a Ceska backpack with Vigilance

^ Two augments not right yet

[chrome dome]

do you have a card with the build info on it? ora link to something similar? I have this with equalizer and overdogs

[smoky latch]

Here is a decent guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WN7sbuP2TEcVaY9fg2PSRbPLS7w4cD80edBQ9JwNoCo/edit?tab=t.0

[solar sable]

I would say keep at least one Amalgam

[vernal wing]

Sometimes my discord opens and displays a random message as the most recent and then I respond. 😂

[smoky latch]

Thing is I really like the occasional status effects but I want it on my LMG 😂

I haven't even upgraded it and it helped me several times

[vernal wing]

How does reapplication of a status effect work in this game?

[smoky latch]

For Amalgam specifically or how do you mean?

[quick hinge]

When farming a unicorn do you just take the first one you get even if low rolls and just use a ton of mats to optimize? Or keep farming until decently high rolled.

[smoky latch]

Define "unicorn". That term is misused a lot. If you get an actual (low rolled) unicorn, keep it ofc

Like "OMG CESKA CHEST WITH DOUBLE CRITS AND OBLITERATE IS A UNICORN" (because it didn't drop after two hours of farming (lol)). So you see what I mean

[quick hinge]

I'm trying to get a ZW chest with headhunter, HSD, and WH. been farming for days

[smoky latch]

That is def. not a unicorn ^^

Farming specific items just takes a while

[quick hinge]

I've spent 3 days farming. I'm just trying to get a grasp on when it's worth just sinking optimization resources

[lost wren]

i honestly so much prefer this over ovd

this is the exact setup i run just that it's not prototyped sadly

[quick hinge]

Do different brand sets have different attribute percentages?

[smoky latch]

I find both good. Depends on the mission for me

[lost wren]

i just like the consistency w/o ovd

[smoky latch]

Attributes have a static max. The quality of rolls depends on the world difficulty/mission difficulty

[lost wren]

as much as i like the amp damage being able to target the enemy that poses the most threat without worrying if they are lowest rank or not

[quick hinge]

Not the percentage of the attribute. I mean could one brand set have a higher chance to drop with CHD over another brand set

[smoky latch]

That's not how it works. If you have a brand/gear set with a red core, it will drop preferably with red attributes. But you have no control over which one/s

If Utility, then preferably yellow, etc.

[urban latch]

your a runescape player, thats nothing

[quick hinge]

2100 total uim btw

[urban latch]

noob

not even maxed smh

[normal shadow]

Tipping Scales in high tier escalations: do we want to use Equalizer or Scales chest? Do we want to use Hollow Man or maybe Contractor's?

[subtle bluff]

TS has a lot of DR.

[sullen night]

When I login my bluescreen and tipping scales has 320 rounds, then when I fast travel it's at 260 rounds, is it bugged with the seasonal mag size or something?

.edit: fixes itself when un- and reequipping the TS set

[magic pilot]

Everytime a status is applied npcs+players build increasing resistance until immune for a short period of time

[magic pilot]

The first attribute is more likely to match the core, any other stat is completely random

[normal shadow]

Really, not going for Hollow Man? That's interesting.

[quick hinge]

got it. ty. and ty @smoky latch as well

[subtle bluff]

Why when we have Overdogs?

[solar sable]

That's the chart for standard TS setup.

[solar sable]

why not both sir

[subtle bluff]

Hollow and Overdogs?

[solar sable]

🥴

[vernal wing]

Do you know how much?

[subtle bluff]

No we don't. It's just diminishing returns

[chrome dome]

can anyone give me a hard wired build if that exists? please tag me as i have to step aay but want to see it when i come back 🙂 TIA

[vernal wing]

No one has tested this?

👀

[strong cave]

Hard wired in PvE is dead besides 3 niche use cases:

• seeker spam
• drone killing
• pulse Spam in PVP

Note one of those 3 niche cases isn't PvE

[subtle bluff]

How would you test it on an npc?

[sterile chasm]

Why is this attribute green?/different

[urban latch]

what are you calling green? its a named item, so its unique thing is that it always has that maxed DTA roll

[rich cosmos]

Green?

[sterile chasm]

The damage to armor, I couldn't find it in the Library

[rich cosmos]

Because its not in the library at all, its a named item, its tied to that specific item

[sterile chasm]

ah is the the "Never met a man I couldn't break" funny?

breaking armor

I see now, thank you

[vernal wing]

1.) Have two players with 0% bonus to status effects and an enemy with a large health pool.
2.) Have them pre-stack elmo shock rounds on another enemy
3.) See if there is Time delay on how long the lockout is from shocking the enemy again
4.) See if there is some hidden value for shock “buildup” on proccing the second shock (possibly different between different enemies).

I know for a fact that Boomer on Dark Hours can be shocked every time you get to a damage phase. No clue on other enemies.

[smoky latch]

I love when NPCs glitch out while shocked and speed moonwalk across the ground

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot of what if here in your theory idea of testing.

Biggest issues iirc if you're CC you can't get to stats menu and the DR doesn't actually last long.

Wait...

[copper yarrow]

What's DR

[subtle bluff]

Wtf. You wanna test DR on bosses?

Someone spell it for me plz

Dishmenin returns.

[subtle bluff]

You can test on yourself to get an idea with BF.

[subtle bluff]

Oh you're question is how many. 3 Status Effect applied with a short period of time will immune. Hence DR.

[vernal wing]

Immune to damage or immune to status - what?

[subtle bluff]

After the first cc is applied a DR starts (a resistance to that status effect) and builds up to the 3rd time give it an immunity for a short time.

[onyx sage]

dimension restoration

[ember roost]

Tinkerer with tipping Scales or striker?

[subtle bluff]

@vernal wing there the patch note for it all.

[grizzled loom]

Striker

[subtle bluff]

OD really is where it's best at.

[ember roost]

I use od on pretty much everything. I was just curious.

[lost wren]

think he meant ongoing directive

[ember roost]

Oh gotcha

Was thinking overdogs.

[lost wren]

ovd is what people use to refer to overdogs

[subtle bluff]

Meh I don't even do that much.

[lost wren]

fair

[subtle bluff]

To me OverD or ODog but I think it'd still be confusing. Murrr.

[lost wren]

for tipping scales lmgs do you still run chc as the third attribute or something else like dta or rof?

[smoky latch]

Usually CHC but DtA is possible too (bare in mind you don't get the same benefit from it tho)

[obtuse shoal]

Like you can’t be serious bro….

[smoky latch]

Pls crop player names from those postings 😬 (could be valued as naming and shaming)

But yeah, average Escalation build

[teal heron]

question about the Prototype gear

The core strength Set with its set ability. does the talent work with the increase that comes with the other Prototype gear. or how does that work

[lost wren]

this should be good then no?

[smoky latch]

Sure, solid

Try The Architct AR as secondary, don't have to use the useless Cooler

Given you play mid-long range

[obtuse shoal]

lol actually got a decent proto drop on tier 1...

[subtle bluff]

This is where proto slog is coming from

[lost wren]

archivist i think
is it better than lexi with ranger?

[weak pike]

I didn't think protos dropped on T1

[obtuse shoal]

right

[fierce arrow]

What is generally best exotic to run armor wise for pestilence on a tipping scales build

[smoky latch]

It has Perfect Ranger and is also very accurate. Slow firing, good to build up TS stacks without wasting ammo

[lost wren]

hmm interesting

[smoky latch]

None, well Overdogs

[weak pike]

I wish Ridgeway was better

[fierce arrow]

Just full tipping scales armor? Or run a 4 and 2 set combination?

Ah gotcha

[lost wren]

gear sets beyond 4 pieces offer nothing of value so obviously 4 pieces with 2 others lol

[smoky latch]

Basically this:
#td2-build-advice message

[lost wren]

do crits help boost dmg of pestilence?

[subtle bluff]

There's a full guide for Pesti in the Build Hub

[lost wren]

yeah so why use pesti on ts lol

[subtle bluff]

I don't like it on it but some players do.

It may do lil better with the modifiers for a bigger mag.

But then you should be on PGC/GC and Overdogs.

[weak pike]

Stoner with tinkerer/TS and frenzy)strained ♥️

[lost wren]

this is the TS setup people run for escalation i think, but for other stuff people use different talents other than frenzy no? like measured?

[chrome dome]

can anyone give me a hard wired build if that exists?

[weak pike]

Measured can work but I wouldn't use a big mag on a measured lmg cause I wanna benefit quicker but that's just me

[obtuse shoal]

Two decent drops on tier 1 lol

[weak pike]

Damn

[chrome dome]

what build is this for?

[hybrid leaf]

Yay got all the proto tipping scales I needed 😄

Only two of four pieces echo.. And the others both already at 25 cores per reroll lmao

[obtuse shoal]

Just in time for tomorrow

[lost wren]

either gen use or escalation
though i think for general use i'd use measured instead of frenzy

[hybrid leaf]

What's tomorrow

[obtuse shoal]

Ambush

[weak pike]

Eclipse protocol escalation summoning circle for tomorrow 🙏🙏

[hybrid leaf]

I've never done it before. What is it??

Had last couple seasons off

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[weak pike]

Praying that it finally pops up tomorrow

[hallow arch]

thoughts on the Investor mask?

[obtuse shoal]

I feel it’s a good investment

[sudden cloak]

I feel it does alright

[chrome dome]

so its useless besides using for escalation? if its a damage build, wouldnt striker still be better?

[weak pike]

Free crit damage is cool

[sudden cloak]

Not great, not terrible, just okay

[lost wren]

striker is best ofc, this is just an alternative

[obtuse shoal]

Top 5 gear sets …

[chrome dome]

i have maxed out non proto striker but im only expertise lvl 6. would it be better to try to get that build if i get it proto instead of striker until i am expertise 30?

[subtle bluff]

Just make the proper build it doesn't take much or long even to do so.

[sudden cloak]

Proto pieces are only better with the right rolls

[weak pike]

Or usable rolls

[subtle bluff]

with the proper build

[lost wren]

you're better off just running non proto striker

[chrome dome]

thank you 🙂

[lost wren]

i run non proto striker, even though i should try and get my hollow man protod i just don't have the expertise for it

[weak pike]

Got 1 proto impetus and it was shit lol

[lost wren]

i should get to properly farming expertise but dear god is it ever harrowing

[last schooner]

will a Proto Born Great with 20% wpn, 26% DTH, and 13 DTH > Lexington with strained?

13 DTOC, oops

[onyx sage]

no lol

[last schooner]

so the talent makes massive difference

[onyx sage]

assuming both proto

well yes a talent adds decent % increase

[last schooner]

noooo, regular non proto lexi

if I had a proto lexi I'd be running that all day man

[onyx sage]

the general rule is it doesn't make much of a difference, imo the g36 handling is so much worse than lex that it's just not worth using

and also i don't recommend strained on lex, measured or back and forth are better talents

[last schooner]

oh really? I thought strained was one of the best...

back and forth!?! that's actually good?

[onyx sage]

not really, it adds around 6-8% at best, measured at worst is 10% and back and forth is a bit worse but still better

[subtle bluff]

Proto Gear/Weapons are not better than the proper Stats/Build.

[last schooner]

yeah, just trying to figure out whether I run this Proto AR or not.

[last schooner]

hang on, so strained is 6-8% superior to measured and back & forth? so why not stick withs strained?

[onyx sage]

no, 6-8% from base

measured is 10% from base

[last schooner]

ahhh ok.

[smoky latch]

Strained - favorite topic

[last schooner]

if measured is good why is Gear Shift crap? base gun sucks?

[smoky latch]

Base gun is a MK46 which is good

[last schooner]

that's what I thought, but ppl seem to crap on Gear Shift

[subtle bluff]

The RoF first half is better Burst DPS

In the P. Version it nerfs that.

[smoky latch]

But the difference between the regular and the named one for the 1st half of the mag sucks

[last schooner]

so measured for AR and LMG

cheers guys, TIL useful stuff haha

[smoky latch]

I would rather use a regular MK46 with Measured over Gear Shift with Perfectly Measured

[onyx sage]

also it's an AR vs LMG. AR talents are more limiting because ARs are too general. LMGs are more specialized because they have bigger mags, longer reloads in general, BUT they have access to frenzy and they suppress a lot easier. so that's why you don't really see LMGs used if they're not exotic and/or not a high end one with frenzy

the exotic LMGs are a decent bit better than non-exotics either in damage (pesti) or have a way to overcome suppression and utility (iron lung, bluescreen)

if you want to shoot for most damage with AR, you kinda have to settle with measured. you don't have to do that with LMG

that's my 2 cents on why people don't really use gear shift

[last schooner]

ptoro GR9 with 21 dmg, 17 DTOC and 14 HSD and measured :/

[smoky latch]

ptero GR9 > ptoro GR9

[last schooner]

trash?

[smoky latch]

Just joking lol

[onyx sage]

i prefer the dactyl negev

[smoky latch]

But, I wouldn't use it myself

Cuz I hate slow firing LMGs

Also HSD instead of CHC

[last schooner]

yeah true

[hallow arch]

Ok so, planning to make a striker build for Paradise Lost, specifically a boss killer build for Wright and maybe lovebirds. Do I use the Bighorn or the Backfire?

[onyx sage]

either works

if you use bighorn then ideally you go all in on hsd, which means you can use dch and harvest

[urban latch]

Backfire

[lost wren]

trying to expand the pve setups i have as i seem to have a lot more pvp setups than i actually use, so far i have:

rifle headhunter
striker
hhf regulus
tipping scales
negotiator's dilemma

curious if i should get a support build cooking up or not

[buoyant perch]

Future initiative is good

[vernal wing]

Measured assembly is pretty cool

Useful in a lot of places

[junior lagoon]

tipping scales or strikers for alejandro?

[solar sable]

any

[hallow arch]

what's dch?

[last schooner]

dodge city holster

[hallow arch]

ohhh that

and I heard achilles pulse is essential too

[last schooner]

how does 1886 HH build fair in T5+ escalation?

[vernal wing]

No

[hallow arch]

Speaking of which, that means the backfire is for dmg in general?

[subtle bluff]

Btw my bio has a showcase for incursion

[last schooner]

prototype core strength...I'm assuming it will get 75% of 22% wpn damage if you wear the chest?

[vernal wing]

Nope

🫠

[last schooner]

so 75% of 15 wpn damage? lame

[timid fiber]

Is MK46 with frenzy the better choice for TS build or one of the exotic LMGs

[languid wasp]

mk46 is the perfect choice but GR9 sitting at 2nd place

I would choose Big Alejandro over Bluescreen since escalation has modifiers where it ignores cc once the requirements are met.

[timid fiber]

So Big Al over MK46?

[languid wasp]

Nope

MK46 over BIg Al

but make sure you know how to use the talent itself

Big Al is okay until tier 6, it's complete counter for the weapon itself.

[timid fiber]

I guess I don’t understand why it’s better or is it just because of Frenzy and the massive mag you get

[languid wasp]

Frenzy adds up about 3% fire rate and 3% weapon damage per 10 bullets

and my mk46 is 195 mag without global modifiers

so almost 60% fire rate and 60% weapon damage, which it beats Big Al

[timid fiber]

Yeah in mission i have a 250 round mag

[languid wasp]

Global modifiers would last for another..idk 4 weeks

[timid fiber]

So yeah 75% increase

[languid wasp]

Big Al has talent where it increases by 100% weapon damage depending how long you're shooting while in cover

the longer you shoot, the higher weapon damage goes

[subtle bluff]

Depends on content

[languid wasp]

idk, i'd prefer mk46 over everything nowdays

[timid fiber]

Right. So MK46 with Frenzy is just really good because of how high we can get the mag

[subtle bluff]

Frenzy is fixed to +T5 content. Normal Content frenzy isn't always good to use.

[languid wasp]

I invested this mk46 long before I go escalation

[subtle bluff]

Other weapons are still very good.

[languid wasp]

My choices of LMG for T0-T5 :

MK46, GR9, Big Al

[timid fiber]

I’ve just been using it since I got it and I love it.

Even in normal content

[languid wasp]

GR9 mags are amazing but you can't really "infinitely" use the frenzy talent since you will spend like 5-10 seconds on finishing the magazines without Frenzy talent on

my ratio would be 58/129

[subtle bluff]

Bleh TS Chest..

[languid wasp]

Honestly, I don't mind for extra 25 stacks

[subtle bluff]

That's right doing numbers.

[languid wasp]

but yeah, this is what I'm running to gank T5 and above

[subtle bluff]

I don't like TS on escalation

It's still less dmg than striker

[languid wasp]

striker's TL been shit to me, so I'll take what I can get

[subtle bluff]

You don't need Proto to do escalation

My first bunch escalation even T10 was zero proto

[languid wasp]

yeah except T6 nowdays are looking for proto gears ( idk why )

[subtle bluff]

Bad players everywhere

[livid sorrel]

Good non-proto piece beats a bad proto

[subtle bluff]

Why I don't do in-game MM

[timid fiber]

I’m liking TS. Based off of some play it seems about the same to Striker to me

[subtle bluff]

Does less and stacks at first rates

[livid sorrel]

Kinda but also not

[languid wasp]

As TS enjoyer, striker still beat it

[livid sorrel]

TS stacks on fire time and loses stacks faster

[languid wasp]

^

I've been using TS for a while, I get the advantages and disadvantages of the build itself.

[timid fiber]

Oh yeah I mean it has its pros and cons no doubt. I enjoy it.

[languid wasp]

but hey, at least you're not using Umbra or Hunter's Fury in Escalation

[timid fiber]

Ninja Bike with 2 piece alloy and 2 piece other random set lol

Just ran one with some dude wearing 5 pc striker and that exotic chest that buffs allies

[languid wasp]

@timid fiber

This is why I'm not going public matchmaking

[livid sorrel]

tbf that's facebook which is worse than reddit

[hybrid pelican]

They both suck

[livid sorrel]

Facebook i feel like people don't listen to advice because of some reason like muh no time to play to get proper build so me play with random bs in escal instead of farming proper build in cd/retal

[languid wasp]

Absolutely, just showing this because people wanna choose "Random Bullsh*t Go" for escalation

Honestly whenever devs give the leader the power to kick anyone without a vote/cooldown, I'll gladly use that feature.

[dusk edge]

@smoky latch you there? what's the secondary you use on your TS?

[junior lagoon]

what is the primary?

[smoky latch]

Iron Lung and Architect

@dusk edge

[fierce ether]

67.5% weapon handling is the best for strikers and TIS or max headshoot guys?

[smoky latch]

Depends on your build. If you use frenzy on a LMG that WH will ruin your reloads

[last schooner]

tinkerer with measured and frenzy or overdogs for escalation

T5+

[magic pilot]

overdogs

[smoky latch]

Or just 1pc Ceska

[solar sable]

ovd bc you really get to squeeze the AMP with the tankiness of enemies in T5+ Escal

[dusk edge]

thanks

TS needs crit right?

[smoky latch]

60% CHC

[dusk edge]

got it

[smoky latch]

Even if you overcap a little

[dusk edge]

so like, i need to make sure every single gear only has CHC?

[smoky latch]

Almost

Also depends on the LMG you use. I use Iron Lung which comes with 10% CHC

[last schooner]

why ceska not overdogs

[dusk edge]

i'm stealing your build but just with Sacrifice huehue

[smoky latch]

Because you cannot always stick to Overdog's target order with modifiers in Escalations

Sometimes the bigger threat (priority target) deviates from that

[dusk edge]

that part yeah. Escalation is non-linear so which means you have to clear enemies left and right. trying to figure out who to shoot first is a no-go

that and the timer. Overdogs i find to not excel well with a run-and-gun gameplay

[livid sorrel]

but how often does that even happen

[dusk edge]

often, especially with enemies coming at you from 360°

[smoky latch]

More than you think. But usually you just keep mag dumping into the uber sponges anyway

[dusk edge]

no point trying to kill the lower tier enemy from afar if you have like three elites in front of you

[smoky latch]

You're not doing anything wrong by using Overdogs all the time tho, the average damage is still good

[dusk edge]

yeah

[smoky latch]

It's more about the NPC modifiers

[dusk edge]

ah yeah that too

[dusk edge]

may i ask which gear you have CDMG on?

[smoky latch]

?

[dusk edge]

i'm following your build but idk if i should put all of them to crit or give one, say, mask, cdmg instead

[smoky latch]

CHD you mean?

[dusk edge]

CHD yeah. soz for the wrong jargon - i got used to zenless' way haha

[smoky latch]

Those are my crits but I use 4pcs proto TS

[dusk edge]

oh wow damn

[smoky latch]

Just gotta make sure the overall values fit

I may have CHC on my backpack, you might have CHD. Doesn't matter

[dusk edge]

yeah. with my build atm i'll try and go for the highest numbers

[smoky latch]

Keep in mind you have three mod slots (given you have mods to use them)

[dusk edge]

yeah. they're all CHC for now

i just need to get TS backpack

[smoky latch]

Then you probably need ~3pcs with CHD

[dusk edge]

okay. noted

[smoky latch]

Just keep checking your overall crit values and adjust accordingly

[dusk edge]

yessir

i'll go with First Bloom as a secondary

might also use that for Pestilence too just as a last resort
-# and also bc i want to use the gun too lol

[smoky latch]

Add this build to your list

There is a guide for it to be found in the spreadsheet which is pinned in here

[last schooner]

this works in Escal? Pesti seems weak in T5

[smoky latch]

Nah just a general build

In lower tiers up to T3 maybe

[last schooner]

How do you deal with hot foot mutator?

its not there every week I hope

[smoky latch]

Keep moving behind cover, stay in cover where you can move for instance

It's there to stay AFAIK. Maybe they change each season, no clue as there was no info on it that I could catch

[last schooner]

ok so no trick really

[smoky latch]

People tried stuff like HazPro, Technician perks etc. but that only blocks the effect, you still take the damage

[last schooner]

WTF

[smoky latch]

It's not hard to avoid

[shy willow]

It's an annoyance at worst

[buoyant perch]

Well, healer can keep you alive

[dusk edge]

okay. she's doing alright now... can be better in the future but thanks a bunch @smoky latch

i will say tho - i prefer Pestilence + CC's stability

i think i've gotten used to having barely any recoil so for Iron Lung + TS i'll have to learn how to control it

[smoky latch]

Not hard, barely has recoil

[upper rover]

What build uses shroud?

[dusk edge]

yeah but CC and most esp Strikers has like zero so i have to get used to it in a bit

body shot then let the recoil lead to headshot

[smoky latch]

What you mean by CC?

[last schooner]

MK46 frenzy is pretty sweet. Just tried it

[dusk edge]

concentrated company. i still dk what terms the community uses for gear sets

[smoky latch]

CoCo = Concentrated Company
CC = Crowd Control

[dusk edge]

-# do we have like a jargon list i can read or smth

[smoky latch]

No you have to dig through the mud 😬

[dusk edge]

damn. rawdogging it then haha

[subtle bluff]

It's in #ask-td2-community pins

[smoky latch]

Most important ones:
#ask-td2-community message

[dusk edge]

found it. thanks

[misty walrus]

any suggestion for this gold set setup?

[smoky latch]

I'd change Fenris and Royal to Ceska and GS. Do you strictly want to run HE items?

[misty walrus]

like this?

[exotic talon]

certified pvgc moment

[sudden cloak]

I think I've ran gc once aside from my oxi build

[smoky latch]

You can use Equalizer

But then use GS kneepads and a Ceska backpack

Or the other way around, of course

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, that's what I do, why not foxes?

[smoky latch]

Less damage

[sudden cloak]

Really? Alright then

[subtle bluff]

Foxes is rarely more dmg...

[smoky latch]

I had the same thought but Chow told me to try GS, and he was right

[subtle bluff]

just because it's DTTooC doesn't make it amazing.

Now if it's proto is probably a different story

[smoky latch]

Was just a guess on my end, hadn't compared

[sudden cloak]

No proto for me

[tulip gulch]

Would echo affect the damage taken by other enemies if they’re marked with negotiators or just the main npc being shot ?

[smoky latch]

I'd imagine only your target. Since I haven't tested it take this with a grain of salt

[tulip gulch]

I think I’d rather farm that than OD today tbh

[smoky latch]

Whatever tickles your fancy

Both worth to farm for

[tulip gulch]

Yeah I was thinking amalgam on OD would be pretty fire too

[exotic talon]

not a particularly meta piece but hell yeah

[smoky latch]

Is useful if you care about certain events with grenade kills

[terse horizon]

Huh wait if I put that on in safe house can I keep the extra grenades if I switch it off? 🧐

Would be useful with the amount I’m chucking out during escalation runs to sledge spawns

[exotic talon]

gonna need it for challenges for sure

[strong cave]

Use Acosta's go bag for that. The extra grenades will stick

Put it on, visit a safe house, grenades should fill to full. Take it off and you should still have like 11 concussion grenades and way more special grenades and all that. Not many people talk about this trick

[terse horizon]

🫡

[strong cave]

I always carry Acosta's just for this reason

Even tho the backpack is borderline useless

[terse horizon]

I always forget about that backpack 😆

[subtle bluff]

Loookie. I also added a proto

I updated the DPS chart in the Pesti guide

[soft crane]

Now that I think about it. Glass cannon does increase Pestilence tick damage.

And its damage amp isnt it?

[subtle bluff]

GC is source amp

[soft crane]

Source amp?

It amplifies any damage you deal no?

[subtle bluff]

yyup

[open saddle]

@subtle bluff overdogs for escalations or not?

Really hate them though need a permanent replacement for them 😒

[soft crane]

Yeh

[subtle bluff]

Why do you think you "hate" them?

[open saddle]

Probably is more a skill issues not hate

[subtle bluff]

to be blunt half the time most players do not understand it and the amount of spawn rates

[soft crane]

Main argument is how you just cant get 100% uptime which I understand but the damage amp is worth it.

[subtle bluff]

More than half the spawns are lowest Tier.

on a heroic

[open saddle]

Sometimes I don't have time to pick and choose who to shoot

[subtle bluff]

Then it's fine shoot w/e

[soft crane]

You're not used to it. If you see chungas then ignore them until they're the only ones left.

[subtle bluff]

Nothing else is gonna give anywhere near the amount nor make up the DPS it gives.

[open saddle]

So then base on this what does my builds suppose to look like

[subtle bluff]

It's in the striker guide

and the better understand of overdog is in there too

[open saddle]

What strikers guide?

I rather strikers over tipping scales although to some TS hits harder

[dawn perch]

Is there gun that decent to us as healer (fi or otherwise) for escalation? Anything to defend yourself with?

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub in the Pinned Messages

[open saddle]

Scopio and lefty

Basically that's what everybody uses

[subtle bluff]

It's the standard... that's in the guide...

[subtle bluff]

I haven't added in Frenzy yet I'm stilll double checking numbers

it makes Elmo look too good but.. too tired to finish up the frenzy atm

[dawn perch]

Isn't status effect been kind of hit or miss in that mode? As you only apply it once before they immune to you status effects.

[subtle bluff]

Read the mutator...

It's not "hit or miss" there a reason...

[dawn perch]

Explain as i read it have come to thay conclusion

(As why my od build just working during the mission =_=)

[open saddle]

So strikers win even with its weakest version?

[subtle bluff]

This is just base numbers before Frenzy.

TBH I'm sure I missed some numbers

[open saddle]

I hate numbers but anyway......I really came to ask what weapons should I prototype

[subtle bluff]

mk46/m249

There another weapon coming up that maybe interesting

[open saddle]

And ARs

[strong cave]

I would look into going for a prototype Tactical Mk16 w/ Measured

I currently run one myself and I can't put it down. It's so accurate and measured boosts the RPM to perfectly usable. Plus it hits wicked hard

[open saddle]

Measured mostly for TS

[dawn perch]

Any other suggestions? For rhe weapon?

[strong cave]

Tipping Scales on measured? Why? So you're quicker to reload and lose stacks?

[floral oracle]

is Memento Strikers still the go-to for soloing heroic/legendary?

[open saddle]

On an M60 with rate of fire rolled

[strong cave]

I mean, it can. How quickly you clear the content is skill and damage dependent on build

[strong cave]

M60 would be fine for tipping but a bit weird you'd want to run rate of fire. I personally go with Bluescreen or Big Al on tipping as they both have insane mag sizes and shoot fairly quickly

[floral oracle]

I basically want something that I can move into legendary with, having spent most of the last 10 days farming striker overlords

[strong cave]

Well, now that I think of it, I personally would run tipping with an M60 w/ ROF + Killer

[open saddle]

With measured I hit 2.9mil

[strong cave]

Hm. You might be onto something. I'll give it a look

Now that I'm also thinking tipping gives crit. Killer is useless on it 😂

[open saddle]

Try it u might like it

[open saddle]

Yup so frenzy or measured

Or try TS tinker

[subtle bluff]

Overlords?

[floral oracle]

sorry, overdogs

[subtle bluff]

The other half of this game is gameplay and knowleedge

[floral oracle]

more about how you use the build vs the build it'self

[subtle bluff]

No. It's both Lefty and Scorpio for support reasons.

[latent glacier]

The third half is keeping your cool under pressure, guess where I struggle

[strong cave]

I'll probably use measured in this case. Frenzy I feel like would increase the rate of fire a little bit too much with tipping scales meaning I'll empty my mag before I even really benefit killing a lot of targets

Plus I'll be spending too much time trying not to empty my mag before I can even get a reload to reproc frenzy

[misty walrus]

should i prototype these 2 habsburg pieces or wait until the next updates for proto gears? I'm afraid i will get only weapon handling upgraded

[exotic talon]

damn you got the good shit
i would upgrade if you have the resources for it, if we get prototype tinkering in the future you can just improve them

[floral oracle]

one last question - what does PGC stand for?

[soft crane]

Perfect Glass Cannon

[floral oracle]

ty sir

[misty walrus]

Once i get only wpn handling, theres no way back. I just converted 2 salvos and got only 2.5 rof upgraded, that traumatised me enough for the next gambling with proto

[exotic talon]

yeah but not upgrading it means its not proto
and youre missing out on echo and potentially more damage

[young plaza]

Im going for a Exuro burn build, what is best, status effects or skill dmg?

[exotic talon]

not using exuro

[exotic talon]

really though probably status effects, flamethrower isnt very strong to begin with

[flint arch]

🥹

[exotic talon]

what if pvgc hunter's fury

[flint arch]

💀

[exotic talon]

you get grazed by a bullet and disintegrate

[dawn perch]

What if blue cores were to have initate damage reduction as well as armour if they were to fix blue cores for pve. Pvp will not get dr.

[hexed steppe]

Fire can use both

Problem with exuro is going to be your skill cooldown tho. Eclipse is way better for fire

[young plaza]

ye, was trying them botch now and exuro was shit

but i font the mission done so now i can move to a drone/turrent build 🙂

[dawn perch]

I wish they could just rebalance those underpowered sets

[open saddle]

I hate this proto rng system re-rolls cost to much and I only got 4 lexingtons and 4 mk46

[buoyant tangle]

Turmoil in escalation? Thoughts

[misty walrus]

they value gambling over hardwork

[lament cove]

whats this birdies healer build people keep talking about

[dawn perch]

Its backpack thay give hive effic and repair skills. It also speeds up revives for people by a lot

[patent fossil]

Bad - doubles how long it takes you to kill any specific enemy, and has an opportunity cost, could be running something that gives you a more useful bonus instead.

[lament cove]

who s got a good build on this that i can follow on?

[patent fossil]

Also halves the damage boost from echo afaik. I only use turmoil solo (non-escalation) or in low difficulties

[dawn perch]

Typically you run 4 piece fi and then what 6th piece you want. Typically run a empathetic chest piece to buff people.

[hybrid leaf]

Got decent proto ongoing directive

Missing chest piece tho is that usually needed

[patent fossil]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

You always want the ongoing chest

[lone violet]

Any use for the investor mask?

[hybrid leaf]

Do I even want ongoing directive at all 😛

[patent fossil]

It's great for most non-escalation content, especially with ammo-limiting directives or on lower difficulties as no need to stack for damage

Could maybe go all in on amalgam and trapper to add a whole bunch of extra CC to the build

[lament reef]

it’s fun variety from striker tyranny

[keen plank]

OD is interesting when paired with paradox. If you get the bleed bullets and proc paradox, essentially you have a ton of ammo conservation. Not too shabby. I think this is one of the few sets I won't go echo for that reason

Maybe I'll start farming summit with all directives on legendary if that's the case 👀

[hybrid leaf]

I've got good proto tipping scales pieces now... I just need contractors gloves and lmgs

[patent fossil]

OD has effectively infinite ammo anyway, so the only advantage of paradox is less reloading

[hybrid leaf]

Need striker backpack and equalizer

Ew just bombed a T6 rip.

Everyone is rusty on DUA haha

[uncut yarrow]

OD is cool with Bluescreen because of the huge mag and the CC if you use it right. I think its almost most commonly used with bluescreen but either way

[patent fossil]

Carnage is my usual pick for the extra damage amp

[lament reef]

carnage uses such a stinky frame though, feels terrible to shoot

[buoyant tangle]

I play total support with OD so I don't try to boost my damage much at all. I mostly just support, buff the team and cc

[lament reef]

you should try dps OD
it is a workhorse

[patent fossil]

Trade a chd weapon attachment or two for handling ones, can make up the dps loss by hitting more shots

[lament reef]

we have a bunch of free weapon handling this season from modifiers too

but it’s also 35% over 30%, and you can’t use tinkerer’s….

lots of tradeoffs everywhere

[patent fossil]

But yeah on random heroic matchmaking I'd often outdamage the team while running OD, it's really not that far behind striker/tipping scales in non escalation content, even though you're giving your teammates extra damage

[open saddle]

Not worth it

[vernal wing]

Is it true that the buff only applies to the 4 people in your squad?

[open saddle]

Sorry replied to the wrong message

[lament reef]

oh okay

[patent fossil]

Honestly don't know. It's generally not used in raids and in countdown you don't really have enough communication to easily find out

[shy willow]

I can say with 80 percent certainty it applies to all 8

[vernal wing]

I randomly get the buff in Countdown and Retals but I never know who is running it

[open saddle]

Try red heartbreaker if you want something as close to striker dmg.......it's just really horrible to build stacks

[patent fossil]

No thanks, HB has never really appealed to me

If I want tanky, I have an EB memento striker build

[fair dragon]

Red HB 💀 the bonus armor really defeats the purpose

[patent fossil]

Think the only time I ran HB was shortly after its release when it was rather OP and did more damage than striker

[open saddle]

I have a tech tank HB for solo......and it ok but I like to kill things quick so armor don't really help me

[junior lagoon]

tanky? that aint' tanky. this is tanky

dont use this build unless assault is on

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'd imagine the OD buff only applies to yourself and the 3 others in your specific group. raid/countdown it can't apply to 8 people respectively as the raid is 2 4 man groups

[shy willow]

🧱

Surprisingly effective

[junior lagoon]

pfe mods?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine so and going over the limit no?

[shy willow]

Yes

[dawn perch]

What the max dr you can get regardless of any cords

[shy willow]

At exactly 80 cuz I have a couple 11s

[dawn perch]

Full tank build?

[shy willow]

You can never reach 100 because all sources are multiplicative

The only two ways to reach immunity afaik are quantum and an overcharged defender drone

[shy willow]

Extremely tanky dps

Built it to walk through master and legendary struggle busses

[dawn perch]

100% is not really require as much as enough dr to get healing to offset damage.

[dawn perch]

Was going to say that escalation would punish you for running it though. That harvester mod is really stupid not going to lie.

[cerulean smelt]

you drive yourself mad trying to make that new mask work with this?

[shy willow]

The only application for it in escalation is rogues but it's good for that

[shy willow]

Cath is better for what I want it for

[cerulean smelt]

i can imagine, was just thinking that new mask with all blues there. would make you a bit more mobile but losing out on 1 PFE mod would definitely hurt

[terse horizon]

11, YOU GET 11... omg now i can sledge the world... and with atomise, my beloved

[lost wren]

is iron lung usable for escalation either on striker or tipping scales, or is it kind of shit

[smoky latch]

75% chance of NPCs to spawn with a modifier that can resist SEs on high tiers. Np on lower tiers

Best focus on damage

[lost wren]

mk46 frenzy or nothing it seems

[smoky latch]

M249B with Frenzy works too ✌️

[versed summit]

any m249 variant witg frenzy

mk46 is just technically the best, but it's a barely noticeable difference

[shut kindle]

To be honest I love mk46 but my Lexington does just as good because of health damage

[versed summit]

if you're keeping frenzy procced it's going to do way more damage

[lament cove]

can u get birdie bag from countdown?

[versed summit]

no

[shut kindle]

You can say that as much as you like, but in reality when using it, even when trying to force it to be procced, the Lexington does basically the same DPS

I have both almost maxed and there's negligible difference in actual use

[versed summit]

needs to be from the kelso manhunt, with chance drops on normal through heroic for completion, as well as a guaranteed reward on first time completion.

easiest way is just farming black tusk retalitations

[versed summit]

this is literally impossible

[shut kindle]

What's literally impossible

[sudden cloak]

The difference being negligible

[smoky latch]

What?

[shut kindle]

It is negligible. I have a proto striker build, every roll maxed, Lexington god roll proto all 3 rolls, currently the mk46 as only 2 god rolls, Lexington does the same damage. The one roll will give me 30% crit damage when I get it, that's literally the only difference Vs tanks

[versed summit]

what talent are you using on lex?

[sudden cloak]

So

[shut kindle]

Vs random ads, the mk46 slightly pulls ahead, but even with perfect conditions, it's hard to keep it perm procced

Measured on lex

[versed summit]

on a normal striker build, a measured lex will do 12.8m burst DPS, and frenzy MK46 will do 18.8m

[shut kindle]

Sure, on paper, but I'm telling you in reality in a mission, I have both and lex is almost the same DPS when you actually use it

[versed summit]

extra health damage will help on the targets it actually applies to, but you're not making up enough dps overall for that to be nearly as competetive

[cerulean smelt]

i feel it's hard to justify 2 different weapon models and 2 different talents as equal or competitive

[smoky latch]

Bit late for April jokes

[shut kindle]

Joke as much as you like but until you have the maxed rolls and try it out ig you won't know

[sudden cloak]

Lex for reds, chungas, and skill proxies, mk46 for all enemies with armor

[shut kindle]

Correct, but because more than half the enemies are red, skill proxies, chungas, it ends up just being the same damage

It might change more when I finally get the third roll on my mk46, but I still feel like I prefer lex most of the time

It'll probably change when cadaceus comes out anyway, will likely be using that for the fact that I won't need a healer and will just be able to solo t10s easy, I guess it depends how good it is

[cerulean smelt]

nah, i doubt you'd be able to live on Caduceus alone. in div 1 it was every 20 seconds, i'd imagine it'd stick to that if it's going to be similar in div 2

[mild loom]

what's the hardest hitting Frenzy setup? 4 striker and what else? vigilance bp or striker?

sorry should ve clarified, for T10 content that is

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WN7sbuP2TEcVaY9fg2PSRbPLS7w4cD80edBQ9JwNoCo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[solar sable]

Against low Tier enemies (for Overdogs AMP) = 4pc + Hollow Man and Overdogs

Against anything else just swap to Ceska Gloves

There are alternatives like Ceska Vigi bag and Contractors but those are, as stated, alternatives

[grand girder]

I'd love for you to run a t10 with dien or toni running frenzy lmgs vs your lex, I'd bet my house you don't get top damage

[shut kindle]

I would be down to do that sometimes

[solar sable]

I can't describe how much time I spent staring at this message thinking...
"Are you actually looking at the numbers and the math behind this?"

[shut kindle]

I have both, I use both in missions. Most of the time I drop mk46 and use lex. Depends on the mission, but mk46 is incredibly good in big, open rooms. Anything with corridors where you don't have clear line of sight on anything is immediately damage thrown away with mk46, meaning in reality when you're actually using the gun in t10s, Lexington is extremely close realistic dps, if not better

I understand the maths, I understand on paper it's DPS is massively higher, but when you use both actually in a mission, in a real world setting, it's very comparable

[shut kindle]

If it was every 20 seconds, then Def not, it's been awhile since I did div1 so I'm not saying I know for sure, but would be interesting to try out

[dawn perch]

You realisatically get any stacks of striker?

[versed summit]

I mean they'd outdps him using lex with him using frenzy lol, doesn't mean much

[shut kindle]

Im usually on 200 stacks the whole mission

[magic pilot]

Mk46 frenzy is noticeably higher than Lex with every talent. Closest is probably streamlined

[magic pilot]

Lex can maintain 200 stacks fine

[shut kindle]

Doubt it, should find out sometimes

[versed summit]

I don't know how good you think you are, but if you have any WRs than sure lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i had to look it up. was like "i remember it but i don't remember it well enough" it was crits heals you and team but every 20 seconds or something, still it might work for other things?

[dawn perch]

I usually only get 50 stack at best but mostly stack to 20 or 0 most the time. With any striker build.

[shut kindle]

I don't care how good I am, I'm just saying it would be interesting to see. You're on a high horse for no reason, calm down

[versed summit]

you said doubt it...

[shut kindle]

Because you're trying to demean what I'm saying, I'm saying let's test it and you're saying "ree, idc people holding WRs better than you"

Like ok? And? It doesn't change the fact that I have both, I've used both, and most of the time lex is basically the same

[tulip gulch]

Does the augment on your sidearm contribute to your overall augment stats ??

[shut kindle]

No

It's only the wep you're using that takes affect

[solar sable]

no, bolstered weapons don't provide Augments

[cerulean smelt]

only when you hold the side arm

[tulip gulch]

TY!

Good to know

[versed summit]

I'm not saying you shouldn't test it, I'm just saying it's silly to test it against incredibly good players.

[shut kindle]

I don't think it's silly, it would be interesting to see how I compare Vs these people anyway

[magic pilot]

You need good positioning with tall cover and good lines of sight, have to be constantly firing

[magic pilot]

Majority of the top level players are using mk46 frenzy for a reason, he's not trying to be mean or anything

[shut kindle]

I also have a mk46 with frenzy, I understand why it is used, it's good. It's just that also Lexington isn't far off the dps, again I use both.

[hazy steeple]

If it helps, a lot of people are also using Lex' as the stack-builder.

[shut kindle]

That's actually very interesting

[magic pilot]

Mk46 is pretty far ahead, that being said Lex is an extremely strong option as well.

[iron plover]

Why would anyone use Lexi as a stack builder if you can stack really quickly with MK46 anyway, lol.

[urban latch]

Not compared to a frenzy MK46? What?

[dawn perch]

About that constant firing. Most of my game play is on the floor dead or i am suppressed in tall cover. I just take too much damage or i am not hitting targets.

[hazy steeple]

@urban latch "also".

[cerulean smelt]

least it's not the auto shotgun being used to stack quickly

[shut kindle]

Mk46 is best used in certain very open area rooms, as I said, if you don't have the perfect lines of site in every room, often lex works out better in the room

It's almost like I've been saying this the whole time

[dawn perch]

That is new one why is that?

[hazy steeple]

I've genuinely seen the mk46+lexi combo enough times in t10's, I assume to take advantage of a talent on it.

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=Cij8Vs4q0dx9ggDe

[shut kindle]

Any idea what talent was being used? And if they were building stacks did they just put rof on it, or still dttooc?

[iron plover]

It might be used with Back & Forth talent to get buffs on MK46, but other than that — no.

[magic pilot]

The main combo I see on tier 10 is mk46 and ravenous

[hazy steeple]

Well that or the gr9 vs mk46 debate I keep seeing.
Still have not got an answer for that one.

[urban latch]

Lex is a great secondary weapon to close out encounters so you can keep your mag empty for frenzy to start the next encounter with frenzy active. But that's like the exact opposite of building stacks with it

[shut kindle]

I like the GR9, but mk46 is better, I tried both out, the GR9 just feels better because it's so smooth

[iron plover]

Measured FAMAS is strong af, that's now our top pick with Dien.

[magic pilot]

GR9 time to empty is too long for the current modifiers and has significantly lower dps when frenzy is not active. So for whatever reason if you drop frenzy it hurts way more.

[magic pilot]

I'll give it a shot. Haven't played in awhile

[shut kindle]

Named famas or just normal one?

[cerulean smelt]

doubt everyone has a Huntsman in their inventory 😹

[hazy steeple]

It does feel a little sluggish, it makes sense.
but I've seen enough that I'm sure the idea came from somewhere specific.

[iron plover]

?

[magic pilot]

Huntsman is perfect frenzy no?

[iron plover]

Hunstman has Frenzy, not Measured. And Huntsman is mid af.

[cerulean smelt]

how do you get a Frenzy on an AR besides the named famas?

[stable tree]

Huntsman has Perfect Measured ✌️

[shut kindle]

It wasn't me that said frenzy on an ar why tf you tagging me

I just asked if he was using the named or the normal famas

[magic pilot]

.....

Measured famas.

[iron plover]

I got god-rolled proto drop from the DCD a couple of weeks ago. Decided to give it a try and hell yeah, I use it all the time now.

[iron plover]

How can it be named FAMAS if it has Measured?

[cerulean smelt]

oh i misread Doggz comment. thought he said frenzied famas 😹 my bad doggz

[dawn perch]

Anyone here would use TS/striker with stoner lmg and ranger for escalation at long ranges?

[onyx sage]

it's the Night Shift named FAMAS sir, with Perfectly Measured

for anyone who hasn't slept enough to know it's not in the game because they took too many night shifts

[shut kindle]

It's almost like I was asking the question because I don't remember what the named talent is and wanted to confirm, yk, that why you ask questions, to get an answer

[versed summit]

it's silly to expect it to be a fair test of the weapons lol

[iron plover]

At this point I think we need FAMAS with Freasured, sir. You know, to get the best of both worlds.

[hazy steeple]

I think that's just Burnout.