td2-build-advice

[vernal dagger]

What gear set are you using with pestilence

[subtle bluff]

CoCo

[cinder karma]

not exactly, no. heartbreaker's functionality stems from pulsing which can be done with either a skill or linked laser pointer. its not to say heartbreaker is bad but truthfully youd be better off going for proto striker if you havent already. thats just my take on it thats all

[sullen night]

Keep in mind that when using ninjabike + 3 green setgear, all you get is 2 bonuses from brand sets, at the cost of a backpack talent. a backpack talent is generally much, much stronger than 2 brand set bonuses, which is why it's considered "bait" 99% of the time

[cinder karma]

would overall be easier to use. however, with proto allowing you to get higher rolls, you might be able to get some with CHC on them and maybe just maybe squeeze more out of heartbreaker

[vernal dagger]

Pro hr doesn’t increase stacks or dmg unless you get high CHC or CHD on armor either

[vernal dagger]

Might as well go striker atp though

[cinder karma]

even then, in order to do good up front damage you need to strip armor off of heartbreaker just to make the up-front damage viable to kill anything, and have stacks

sure you could use an ACS 12 to stack but youre alerting everything in the room by doing so. theyll turn heads and melt you

[brazen oak]

heartbreaker the best set for an lmg and ar build i assume?

[cinder karma]

far from it. that title belongs to striker and Ongoing Directive

[vernal dagger]

Was about to say heart breaker isn’t the best in anything or for anything

[brazen oak]

and i assume that the tipping point gear set is best for a lmg focused one

[vernal dagger]

Just an average gear set

[cinder karma]

tipping scales is decent for LMGs too but the biggest downfall is how quickly those stacks disappear when youre not shooting

[vernal dagger]

TS is okay takes a long time to stack and a fight in itself to keep it stacked

Damage is strong on it but nothing competes with striker tbh

[brazen oak]

its not that bad for me, granted im using the big alejandro with it so that might be why

[cinder karma]

i personally use cooler or burst fire my gun to get my stacks up before a fight. its annoying but yeah thats how it works when you need it on demand

[vernal dagger]

Yea it’s not bad we just saying striker is stronger

[brazen oak]

mk

i think i might just go for a maxed out TS gear set for now because i mainly just have to optimize all the stuff atp

granted i do still have to get the exotic gear i want to use with it but thats just going to take a while

[vernal dagger]

Build it like the striker gear set 4pc TS equalizer and OD

[brazen oak]

equalizer is a chest and OD is the backpack right

or are those gloves

[uncut yarrow]

Overdogs, gloves

[brazen oak]

gotcha

and i want the core attribute to be crit chance and then the gear mod to be crit damage right

[uncut yarrow]

Just get as close to 60% chance as you can, rest in dmg

[brazen oak]

alr

[uncut yarrow]

Or pick your own balance thats easier like maybe 50% is more easily attainable... which when youre 1000 shd or you have maxed the watch in Chance, 60% is the new 50% so it is easier

[brazen oak]

yeah im shd watch 51 rn

so i got a while to go

[buoyant perch]

Basically be flexible with crit roll RNG you get then balance with gear/weapon mods

[uncut yarrow]

Ways to go but id focus crit chance

On the watch

[brazen oak]

yeah ive been thinking of not putting into damage anymore because crit chance is just more valuable

[uncut yarrow]

Yes

Especially with how annoying it is to get chance compared to other dmg

[brazen oak]

for the handling shd watch part which is better the accuracy or stability?

[uncut yarrow]

Uh

[buoyant perch]

Stability

[brazen oak]

ive been keeping them kind of even so far because I didnt know what was better

[uncut yarrow]

I think i did reload speed first ngl

Like stability is kinda a skill thing, accuracy doesnt matter much for most situations

I figured reload was nice, you get em all anyways and you won't notice the difference over time anyways

[dusky jetty]

trying for an all blue roll and got this 🌈

[flat gull]

what's a good skill build

[exotic talon]

it helps a lot with shotguns and smgs

[subtle bluff]

It's a waste.... There's 84 different variations.

[subtle bluff]

What skills are you trying to use?

[dusky jetty]

yeah haha, got 3 blue just now so I'll take it

[flat gull]

Drones and turrets

[subtle bluff]

Refactor

[flat gull]

What's that

Wait nvm

[uncut yarrow]

Is there a seeker mine build thats busted at high levels? Particularly a cluster mine build because it would be funny

[regal dock]

can hazard protection go above 100% ???

[smoky latch]

No, jsut seeker mine spam

[uncut yarrow]

I wouldnt think it does anything above 100%

100% mitigates all effects and dmg so... what would 100+% even do

[subtle bluff]

If there were everyone would be use it...

[subtle bluff]

Yes. Doesn't nothing.

[next creek]

for my secondary on a striker overdogs, what stats should i have on an ACS shotty, and is any other 2nd weapon quite optimal to swap between ie smg etc, primary is lex/st elmos

[hexed steppe]

You would brazen an acs afaik. I think lmg/ar is a more common primary/secondary combo now tho since acs really isnt needed for stacking

[next creek]

cool, what type of lmg? any fast smgs good aswell

[hexed steppe]

I think mk46 or gr9. i use gr9

[stone python]

Is this holster worth keeping?

[onyx sage]

no

[normal shadow]

Are you planning on doing something with Royal works? If not, then no.

[stone python]

Proto HB with CHD :/ all others are worthless

this smg dropped with Strained tallent keep or nah?

[keen plank]

Id say scrap bro. That third attribute isn't good and talent is not good either.

Banshee isn't top tier either. Used to be but not anymore

[stone python]

There is a guy running Proto Bell ringer LOOOL

[keen plank]

Get yourself a smg9 (normal variant)

[stone python]

Is this good augment for GR9 with sadist talent?

i kept the lmg for OD build

Is there a good Bleeding build? i have this named lmg called Carnage with Paradox tallent

the only time rng gave me smt good

[keen plank]

I use a carnage for my OD build. But yours doesnt have chc 😭

Needs to have chc

[tall shoal]

Ongoing Directive will probably be the best bet for bleeds.

[keen plank]

Gr9 is ok but I do feel like it lacks on the burst. The 100 mag lmgs are better imo

[tall shoal]

its also a really good support dps role. your Striker and Tipping guys will love you

[sudden cloak]

I run tinkerer with OD and a vigilance BP, run 2 lmgs, 1 with sadist and 1 with pressure point

[stone python]

did you farm Proto OD?

[tall shoal]

only difference i do is i run wicked

[sudden cloak]

It's just reg OD

[sudden cloak]

Does that give more dmg?

[onyx sage]

no, less dmg but doesn't disable

[tall shoal]

^

[sudden cloak]

Ah, so more consistency

[onyx sage]

yeah, i run wicked too because of that, but depends on your preference really

[stone python]

So its sadist and wicked then

[sudden cloak]

How much does wicked give?

[onyx sage]

18% twd, vigi is 25%

[tall shoal]

Vigi is good if you stay far back or do ARs with a shield, but thats my two cents

[sudden cloak]

I only use lmgs or scorpio with OD

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what? It's still very good.

High tier escalation is just it's own meta.

[timid token]

Hey any good marksman’s rifle that kill hunter also not looking for exotic looking for high end marksman rifle

[sudden cloak]

I use a banshee with unwavering in the incursion on tanker every now and then

[keen plank]

Shit. Don't tell me that. I deleted my banshee a few months ago

[subtle bluff]

Gonna repeat this again. Proto weapons/Gear isn't better than proper version of it without proto.

[subtle bluff]

Oh as in the weapon.

Oops. Yeah it's sad now.

[timid token]

U know any good markmans rifle and high end rifle homie pls give me list lol

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[tall shoal]

white death, take off the scope. you are welcome

[subtle bluff]

Any bolt action works for MMRs.

[timid token]

Thx

[timid token]

Where I farm white death

[subtle bluff]

It's in the pinned messages

There's actually a spot.

[timid token]

Aw man to lazy to do that

🙁

[subtle bluff]

Bruh... It's not that hard to look. It's not a post not a sheet.

[timid token]

Hahahah

Is the pin in the general or build advice

[tall shoal]

just target loot MMRs. will be faster, keep any with either damage out of cover or the talent you want to use for the bolt actions(highest damage ones)

[timid token]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

That too

[timid token]

So countdown target loot

[subtle bluff]

You're trying too hard to do one vs just getting it all done at once.

[smoky latch]

Roosevelt Island is also a good spot, drops a lot there

[opaque salmon]

First max stat proto drop was starting to think they all dropped with low rolls

[timid token]

This

[smoky latch]

Scrap item due to talent 😬

[timid token]

🙁

[smoky latch]

The FAL I mean

[opaque salmon]

Yeah I was thinking that 2 🙁

[tall shoal]

yea, can either do summit, countdown, or retaliation.

or find where it drops today in teh world and farm it

[lament reef]

i mean you can keep it in case they add proto recalibration

[sudden cloak]

Yeahhhhh, once I hit lvl30 expertise on psn, I'm only prototyping 1 build, can't be bothered to do the rest

[smoky latch]

Still, DtA on it 🫠

[subtle bluff]

Proto weapons/Gear isn't better than proper version of it without proto.

[onyx sage]

imagine they have a prototype stat library you have to collect for

[smoky latch]

Lol

[lament reef]

lmao

that would be funny actually

[tall shoal]

dont give them ideas

[sudden cloak]

Chow had to put in bold letters and caps

[onyx sage]

i'm sure they're more evil than that

[timid token]

Can you share attachments of the gun and I can save the image on my phone

[subtle bluff]

Where that office meme of "no, no no no"

[subtle bluff]

It's just CHC.

[timid token]

Oh

[sudden cloak]

I just want to be able to optimize the gear i prototype myself

[subtle bluff]

Oh for MMR?
Doesn't matter.

[misty crane]

What's a good core strength build? Like, weapons, gear etc

[hybrid pelican]

I be seeing this too often. Their striker proto pcs have weapon handling or hazpro something

[tall shoal]

i think hes looking for a shot of the white death

[onyx sage]

they've repeatedly said in various places that they don't plan on implementing it soon

[timid token]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Not using CS.

[timid token]

But mmr I can farm countdown so I can use that to

[onyx sage]

i can't really say anything either, they could drop it tomorrow for all i know

[subtle bluff]

Just get MMR's with DTTooC for now.

[smoky latch]

My hot tip for you is Roosevelt Island

[sudden cloak]

Ah, that sucks, still worth to prototype though

[timid token]

K

[misty crane]

What's MMR?

[subtle bluff]

Nah. Leave to just farming a bunch.

[onyx sage]

marksman rifle

[stone python]

good? i dont Vigilance BP

[hybrid pelican]

Can I interest you in 8 white deaths?

[onyx sage]

good

[smoky latch]

Depends on the attributes

[lament reef]

i was afraid i would get brutally dps mogged by the guy with full striker proto yesterday vs my normal gear in t5 but i was just a few million under him in damage

[misty crane]

I kinda wanted something with survivability but still with respectable dps, at least for solo runs. I use hb memento rn and I love it but just wanted to try something a little different. If there's a good mmr build for that I'd appreciate it

[subtle bluff]

Did that without proto and not even a exp weapon.

[hybrid pelican]

Dont lie that was with your full red tip of the spear proto build

[subtle bluff]

Sir...

I used my spec weapon to keep up a few times.

[lament reef]

i had a proto TOTS drop and i think it was actually a good roll

[stone python]

good chc & chd?

[lament reef]

nice

[stone python]

which skills should i use with OD and tinkerer?

[tall shoal]

i always use decoy and revive hive, but thats just my preference

banshee is good too to get the initial status

[hybrid pelican]

You want a skill that applies a status imo. So banshee, jammer, foam etc. The other can be whatever

[smoky latch]

Banshee Pulse and whatever you like

[timid token]

Is it custom mm4 or just mm4

[subtle bluff]

Uh

[timid token]

Markman rifle

[subtle bluff]

Why did you reply to that.

[timid token]

Idk

[timid token]

Is the is fine markmans rifle

[subtle bluff]

What did we say for you do farm?

[timid token]

K it just not droping is it and exotic lol

[subtle bluff]

I am not giving out free hand outs to you BTW.

What exotic?

[timid token]

Nvm

[shy willow]

In terms of MMRs you really want a white death or something

[subtle bluff]

Stop... He know what needs to do he just wants the quickest way there.

[timid token]

For real don’t help me 😂

[subtle bluff]

MMR's, DTTooC.

[timid token]

Chow he helping me how we tell him

[subtle bluff]

Funny things... He's gonna cry since he still hasn't read the starter guide section.

[timid token]

I did lol

[shy willow]

?

[timid token]

I’m just tired of striker

Jajajajja

[subtle bluff]

[shy willow]

Oh no

Oh no no no no no

[smoky latch]

Oof

[timid token]

What

[shy willow]

Your library is empty

[subtle bluff]

When I'm right. I'm right.

[timid token]

Huh

[smoky latch]

Do you know what the attribute library is?

[timid token]

Ah shit

Chow got me again

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna go get some tea.

[shy willow]

I'm gonna point you to the starters guide

[keen plank]

Ah shit indeed boy. Now listen to your elders

[shy willow]

It outlines pretty much everything you need to know as a beginner

[timid token]

I know what library I have it in tinker

[subtle bluff]

Starter guide is a farm guide in all means and how to be effective at doing it all so when you want to farm and build new things you don't waste time like this.

[timid token]

[shy willow]

Yeah filling it up is one of your first objectives

Not necessarily everything but certainly important stats

[keen plank]

Jking but listen to the man, G. He da man. He is Don Chow (Spanish for Mr)

[stone python]

Gonna try this in retal

[timid token]

It almost completed

[shy willow]

Not for marksman rifles lol

[timid token]

Ik

I barely use it markmans rifle lol

[timid token]

Now it is but barely

Xd

[tall shoal]

So im trying to make a concentrated company build to play with my friends, so im not just the murder bot on heroics and leggos with TS, so they can actually feel like main characters. I'm leaning towards bluescreen and either the coyote mask, beacon, or tardigrade with smart cover

[subtle bluff]

Plz do it solo lower or just solo heroic... Trying stuff out in escalations with a group is just rude.

[stone python]

i said retal 🙂

[onyx sage]

he did say retals

[subtle bluff]

I know what he said. But I guess he doesn't care.

[stone python]

Man this build deletes loool

[subtle bluff]

I shouldn't read so much while I'm traffic.

[shy willow]

Uhh you shouldn't be reading at all sir

[subtle bluff]

Super stopped traffic...

[timid token]

Man this white death not droping in countdown lol

[shy willow]

It's a very common drop from hunters

[buoyant perch]

Roosevelt island has tons of them

[subtle bluff]

He doesn't Need White Death.

[timid fiber]

Can someone confirm or deny that Turmoil doesn’t also apply the mark from ND? I could have sworn I was shooting one enemy and they were fairly separated and I saw both debuffs over their heads.

[smoky latch]

Turmoil doesn't apply a mark and has no direct synergy with ND

[timid fiber]

Ok. Would be amazing if it did and I was uncertain if I saw it spread or not which is why I wanted to ask

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil 1/2 your bullet dmg. Bullet dmg that crit then does it's thing.

For ND marks only work on weapon dmg. Turmoil is doing the split dmg not the weapon at that rate.

[timid fiber]

Right. Which is what I was trying to confirm if a crit got split my turmoil and applied a mark but if it doesn’t then oh well. Would be great if it synergized.

[subtle bluff]

I had no issues with all the different I tested trinkerer is working fine for me. @vernal dagger

[zinc patrol]

Would anyone be able to give me a good rifle 1986 build

[subtle bluff]

To answer future questions, Turmoil itself is doing the split dmg not the weapon itself for proc'ing ND or anything else.

[subtle bluff]

what's "Good" to you?

[zinc patrol]

Anything that can oneshot boss on nba with heroic all directives

[subtle bluff]

My answer if 4x HF Chainkiller and Overlorder BP with Vig.

It won't be able to one shot named.

1886 can't one shot a named.

[timid token]

Apparently it restricted

[subtle bluff]

Mission Mode.

[zinc patrol]

Ok what about hand basket

[timid token]

I am dumb sry what is it I need again

[subtle bluff]

same

[timid token]

No the markman rifle u said

Wait nvm

[subtle bluff]

Handbasket 386,988.5
1886 386,988.5

how would handbasket be different?

wow i didn't know they were the same.. lol

[zinc patrol]

Idk im just trying to make a build that would one shot final boss nba

[subtle bluff]

you can on a higher MMR.
you need to hit 20mill for a solo heroic named

[timid token]

So DTtooc a mmr

[shy willow]

Think the only difference is one is a rifle and one is an MMR, hand basket also lower rpm

[shy willow]

So most of the time the 1886 is still better

[subtle bluff]

Ya I just never looked at both at the same time.

[subtle bluff]

Here's the rest of the build

@zinc patrol above

[zinc patrol]

Just a quick question I have overdogs but it doesn’t let me recalibrate

[subtle bluff]

you can't

[zinc patrol]

Idk why it says I have 0/1

Why can’t you?

[subtle bluff]

You cannot recalibrate exotics

you can reroll them

[zinc patrol]

Sorry I mean reroll

???

[timid token]

I’m just using this

Till I get white death from countdown

[subtle bluff]

you need the blueprint

[zinc patrol]

I have it

[shy willow]

Gloves > overdogs

[upper yew]

should I make a hunters fury build ? it sounds fun buffing shotgun&smg dmg with crowd control

[vernal wing]

Versatile looks really good with that

[shy willow]

They're fun

[upper yew]

ye I am kinda getting tired of using the same loadout again and again even tho I love the sheer sit back&stack gamestyle of pestilence

should I use an exotic shotgun or an exotic smg for a build like that tho, and most of all does the backpack and vest for hunter fury worth it ?

[ocean wyvern]

iirc, no chest or bp for HF

[upper yew]

yea I just checked the wiki their bonuses sound underwelming

[ocean wyvern]

I need to try to put the headhunter variant together

[surreal elk]

Is ongoing directive working in escalation?

[ocean wyvern]

It falls off very quickly because enemies wipe off status effects

[surreal elk]

So no way to keep the hollow rounds for the team all the time ?

[ocean wyvern]

sadly not really

[stone python]

this guy was literally deleting retal mobs from existence, what kind of build is this ?n' he has proto SR-1 marksman rifle

[shy willow]

^

[subtle bluff]

Again.....

You do not need Proto gear/weapons..

[ocean wyvern]

Looks like just a standard 4pc hotshot build tbh

[subtle bluff]

CLose to what should be the standard

[hybrid leaf]

@subtle bluff I ran the TI healer a few times. I tested it out on a T10 for my very first experience as a healer which was a bit foolish lmao but still got thru in 20mins

Brilliant build

It was a rather steep learning curve in T10 hahaha one of the team were really pissy with my initial incompetence but the leader was very supportive

tbf I didn't stuff it up, this dude was just annoyed I wasn't using overcharge efficiently

[shy willow]

Just pop it if people's hives start going down

[shell folio]

which lmg is best for frenzy? I got a decent m60 and gr9 with frenzy on them

[solar sable]

Mk46 and GR9 are the top pics

[shell folio]

ty!

[lost wren]

gr9 is hypothetical best dps for frenzy but it's a crap lmg otherwise
mk46 is a solid lmg at base

[vernal dagger]

Gr9 is harder to take advantage of frenzy than the m249

[gusty scroll]

why gr9 is recommended for frenzy tho
I tried it for a while, and its a pain the ass to manage frenzy uptime with that magazine size

100-150 ammo is far easier to have it up almost all the time that im actually shooting something

[velvet raven]

Hey everyone, what's the most optimal Tipping Scales build for escalation T10 ?

[solar sable]

TS is not recommended for T10 Escal tbh

[velvet raven]

Only striker should be used there ?

[flint arch]

it's the most consistent option

[velvet raven]

So 4x strikers ?

[vernal dagger]

3 strikers 1 FI

[solar sable]

read the convo, its not about how many players should be on a group

[solar sable]

4pc Strikers and any two of:
Contractors/Overdogs
Ceska bag w/Vigi
Hollow Man

[velvet raven]

Thank you

[vernal dagger]

Wouldn’t you want striker bag then and chest with hollow man mask as well as knee and holster striker

Gloves OD or contractors

For t10

[solar sable]

uhhh that's basically what 4pc means + any 2 of your choice

please dont use OD for Overdogs

[velvet raven]

What about Investor w/ 4 red ?

[solar sable]

hell no

[vernal dagger]

You’ll get more value out of tinkerer or coyotes for exotic mask

Hollow man still better than those though

[velvet raven]

Oh is it really not that good ?

[vernal dagger]

Compared to other options no

[lost wren]

you don't use the extended mag you use the reload speed mag

[velvet raven]

Hollow man 14% Health Damage is better than Investors 30% crit damage ?

[lost wren]

gr9 frenzy is the highest dps frenzy you can get hence why it's used

[gusty scroll]

its not about reload speed, even with base 200 mag on striker set it can takes a while to empty the mag to trigger frenzy when needed. in reality we can't really constantly shoot all the time

[lost wren]

in high level escalation it's a lot easier to maintain but i do agree, it can get a bit clunky
hence why most use mk46/m249 frenzy

[flint arch]

im not 100% sure but gr9 wins if you're just looking at damage w/ frenzy. the problem is you really need to maintain near 100% uptime, which is really hard and annoying

[lost wren]

yeah gr9 frenzy is best frenzy

[flint arch]

that's why people gravitate towards mk49/m249. it's more balanced and the RPM w/o frenzy is still adequate

[lost wren]

in terms of paper dps

[flint arch]

and 150 rounds isn't as annoying to empty

[vernal dagger]

At t10 yes look at the hp bonus they get over a flat dmg multiplier like crit

[velvet raven]

Oh alright, I see

[flint arch]

adding 30% to 120% CHD is less effective than a separate 21% multiplier

[lost wren]

when you can make gr9 frenzy work though it works like a dream

[vernal dagger]

They get what 650% increased hp at t10?

[velvet raven]

Alright, I need to get that damage formula right

[lost wren]

800

[flint arch]

you need to prototype the hollow man for it to be worth it though, and you need it to be a full red hollow man

otherwise it's not worth using

[vernal dagger]

Couldn’t remember off the top of my head

[velvet raven]

So weapon : Lexington with Killer ?

[viral ridge]

Hey all, fresh 40 here building the first striker set. On the striker pieces, the best option is to have CHC instead of CHD right?

[vernal dagger]

Or measured/ optimist

[flint arch]

lexington with measured, back and forth, ranger if you like to sit in the back

[lost wren]

killer won't have the best uptime in high level escalation i'd recommend measured or ranger

[vernal dagger]

CHC to 55+ caps at 60 and then go for chd

[viral ridge]

Thank you. Can set pieces have more than 1 atribute?

[flint arch]

gear sets? no

[vernal dagger]

Gear set like striker no but other armor pieces can yes

You don’t get second attribute bc of bonuses and talent from that gear set

[hybrid leaf]

TI healer build; what would I gain from proto TI....? How significant is the extra repair skill efficiency

[gusty scroll]

and god rolled a gearset piece is far easier so its a win

[solar sable]

ti? wdym?

[vernal dagger]

FI?

[livid sorrel]

#td2-build-advice message

[hybrid leaf]

yes FI sorry hahaha

[lost wren]

sadly i only have a normal hollow man that is grolled

though is normal hollow man ok up to a certain point or des it have to be prototyped for it to be even remotely useful?

[flint arch]

not too sure but i don't think hollow man is particularly useful if you don't get 21% dth out of it

[lost wren]

rip

[vernal dagger]

Probably more value out of coyotes or overdogs at that point but I still don’t think hollow man is bad

Would have to test it in a run to know

[lost wren]

right now i run ceska hollow man with 4 pc striker including bag and chest

maybe i should run ceska ovd instead idk

not sure what would be better

[vernal dagger]

Try it during different runs see how it feels

Shouldn’t make that big of a difference

[tulip gulch]

I have an all red hollow man but I feel like I get more out of contractors. I need to try overdogs in escalation

[lost wren]

contractor's might not seem like a bad idea for mk46 frenzy

[velvet raven]

So is this one optimal for T10 esca ?

[lost wren]

assuming prototyped yeah probably

[vernal dagger]

Even without proto still a solid build

[velvet raven]

Yeah I'm looking for most optimal base before prototyping, but yeah, I will be prototyping it

[solar sable]

most important proto there is Hollow Man btw

[velvet raven]

Yeah but since stats are a bit random when prototyping, can't guarantee Health Damage to max

[lost wren]

are you not able to optimize?

[vernal dagger]

Just get another hollow man 🤣

[vernal dagger]

Not proto type gear

[velvet raven]

can't optimize after prototyping, you get 1 stat maxed and the other 2 are random

[lost wren]

oh wait a second no you can't
the uncapped stats are not a part of the library

truly amazing design choices

[velvet raven]

🐸

[livid sorrel]

from what i hear unique stats from nameds are guaranteed to be maxed on proto upgrade

[velvet raven]

If that's true, then it's cool

[livid sorrel]

i havent tried it myself tho so could be wrong

[velvet raven]

Scorpio's +25% dmg taken works after swapping weapons ?

[viral ridge]

what are some good guns i can target farm for strikers?

[lost wren]

no i just slapped it on there for something quick to swap to for cc
probably better options for seondaries i just threw it on there

[shy basalt]

You can probably start off with elmos

If you're looking for a first gun to use

[vernal dagger]

Elmo’s or Lexington if you got it from winter event

[viral ridge]

I have 2 exotics and they're both rifles

[velvet raven]

For prototype augment, should go echo or paradox ?

[subtle bluff]

Point them to the striker guide

[vernal dagger]

Echo better for damage

[subtle bluff]

to keep it simple

[lost wren]

i think for most dps builds echo is best

[subtle bluff]

Proper pieces and builds are better than proto pieces

[hybrid leaf]

CHOW

I @ed you a few times haha but we've been ships passing in the night

[lost wren]

wohc

[hybrid leaf]

@subtle bluff I ran the FI healer a few times. I tested it out on a T10 for my very first experience as a healer which was a bit foolish lmao but still got thru in 20mins. Brilliant build.
It was a rather steep learning curve in T10 hahaha one of the team were really pissy with my initial incompetence but the leader was very supportive
tbf I didn't stuff it up, this dude was just annoyed I wasn't using overcharge efficiently

Now wondering if it'd be worth prototyping FI pieces? How much more repair skill / skill haste can roll compared to standard set?

[velvet raven]

Interesting, never played healer. How do you play with overcharge ? Do you leave your hive and spam heal on everyone ?

[subtle bluff]

Not how chems work.

[hybrid leaf]

Healer hive gives everyone +25% damage and also farraday stops the disruption caused by shock from hot feet (shock still causes damage). So maintaining hive is priority #1; then reinforcer chem to heal people who take significant damage. Overcharge to reset team skill cooldown when they use their reviver hive and it needs refreshing. Otherwise you're using shotgun to apply another couple damage bonuses

[hybrid leaf]

^

[severe violet]

Versace have you tried a Measured Assembly Build in Escalation at all? I saw one that used smart cover and restorer hive with Hermano, full skill cool down that just goes crazy for skill recovery for self and the party

[hybrid leaf]

Last night with FI is the first time I've run healer at all, ever haha

Definitely helpful in helping me access higher tiers. My DPS build only puts me in the territory of T5, T6..

[severe violet]

Oh! Lmao. I have only played healer builds. They're the best and I love being a reliable resource in larger groups xD

Future Initiative in Countdown Lobbies, you feel like the most important person in the room LOL (not really but it's fun boosting so much DPS)

[hybrid leaf]

It isn't as boring as I thought it'd be! Lots to do with maintaining damage bonuses

[subtle bluff]

Up to T5 sure it works but one you get +T6 smart cover is more of a trap.

[severe violet]

Oh 100 percent!

And there's like 5 solid healer builds right now. Cadeceus will likely add another

[subtle bluff]

For high teir there only one.

[severe violet]

So you think Future Initiative is the staple for T10?

[subtle bluff]

+T8 the meta is kind of fixed.

There's some flex but it's more knowledge and gameplay then.

And we don't call them "healer" builds there supports.

[hybrid leaf]

Future Initiative with BTSU datagloves and The Setup named backpack. Scorpio + Lefty.

[livid sorrel]

Pure healers when the team doesn't need healing are deadweight, but you can slot in some support capabilities easily

[subtle bluff]

You can just foward or post the overview guide

[half girder]

should i use the chest or backpack striker pieces at all?

[subtle bluff]

depends on the content

[vernal dagger]

Backpack is always good chest depends

[livid sorrel]

chest only in t5+ escalation, backpack always unless you wanna use memento or the gift

[half girder]

memento and gift are exotics?

[solar sable]

just memento

[livid sorrel]

gift is named

[vernal dagger]

And memento more of a solo exotic than team play or escal

[half girder]

thank u guys

also is there a way to not use the scope on agitator

[vernal dagger]

It’s bugged atm

[half girder]

oh okay😭

[vernal dagger]

Hopefully fixed soon

[fierce ether]

do we have escalation tipping scales in pings?

build*

[brittle drift]

If I wanted to try tinkerer mask with 4 pieces of striker and mk46 frenzy, what would be best for second talent? Killer maybe?

[subtle bluff]

Not really the Standard TS is the best.

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the content.

[brittle drift]

Solo esca t3

[subtle bluff]

If you're asking for that you should know tbh.

Even tho T3 isn't hard.

[brittle drift]

I have not tried it yet. I play 4pc striker with overdogs now. I read people say tinkerer is better

[subtle bluff]

Lol people are dumb.

30amp vs at best Killer questionable uptime 70 CHD.

30 amp for this is actually 30% more to your dmg number.
Where CHD is add to your CHD.

[drifting cargo]

hi been checking afk drone build on high end sets on optional pcs for palisade option which brand set pcs i should drop on that option ? i did remember that right isnt ? we only got six pcs of armor

[subtle bluff]

You want to do refactor instead.

what SHD are you?

[drifting cargo]

i have some leftover from old build and havent made time to farm refractor yet, high end will be temporary option ( just comeback to play with friend and have fun)

[drifting cargo]

oh forgot to reply this one around 450 ish ? i think, on fairness i have been carried a lot before ... i like only have hardwire , and hunter furry build

[stuck geode]

Anyone solid at making builds have a question about a core build.

[subtle bluff]

Answer don't use it. Unless you're wanting a PvP build.

[stuck geode]

I am lol

[subtle bluff]

Then go #td2-pvp-discussions they're gonna be help you better.

[stuck geode]

I did but nobody’s in there plus this is a common question I feel like can be answered here, even in pve.

[livid sorrel]

PvP is an entirely different beast

[subtle bluff]

They'll get to you their not on all the time.

[hard latch]

I can send a pvp core build in 5 minutes

[subtle bluff]

Plz throw it into the other channel

[stuck geode]

If I run 3 core with ninja, technically speaking. Brazos and tech specialization would give 2 skill tiers which means you could have 2 reds plus 6 skill tiers in total making the cap do way more damage while having 6 skill tiers. Right?

[subtle bluff]

CS calls for Gear Cores.

[stuck geode]

Would that bonus be better than running something else.

[subtle bluff]

Skill Tier isn't a core.

[hard latch]

Why is that

[subtle bluff]

Less confusion.

[shy willow]

It was added specifically to separate PvP and pve discussion

[stuck geode]

Obviously but you still getting bonus from having it has a red or yellow. I’m wondering does the bonus in turn give more damage output since you have the 2 reds plus the skill tiers. Or would all yellows be better cause it gives skill efficiency as well.

[shy willow]

No

[stuck geode]

Plus gives use for a better 2p bonus

[subtle bluff]

AGAIN.....

[livid sorrel]

Skill tiers from anything but gear pieces don't count for CS

[subtle bluff]

Only "Cores" that count towards CS "Cores" is the Gear Core on the a Gear Piece and nothing else.

[livid sorrel]

So 4 yellows is equal to like 3 reds

[stuck geode]

lol again obviously you guys aren’t picking up what I’m asking here. I probably said it wrong.

Having 2 red cores along with using tech/brazos. “Is that stronger then using all yellows with say fenris instead of brazos”, in this 2cd scenario you would only have skill tiers and the brand sets working towards damage. In the first scenario you would have the skill tiers plus the red and be missing out on a good set having to use brazos.

[shy willow]

No

[subtle bluff]

I"m moving this to the channel..

[shy willow]

No matter how you cut it core strength is subpar at best for damage

[livid sorrel]

2 reds 4 yellows are better for damage

[stuck geode]

Ty

[scenic trench]

i just got back into the game from season 4/5, is an all red build from back then popular or have people moved on to other things?

[livid sorrel]

Striker

[scenic trench]

i did see someone on youtube proposing some kinda 4-6 blue striker, thats why i asked

[livid sorrel]

Youtube is terrible for builds

[scenic trench]

i know, i dont use it, just stumbled onto it because the thing reads minds

that and i was catching up on the lore

[scenic trench]

on the bright side i now have a striker with perfect brace cooking up

[livid sorrel]

Anything works in challenging anyway

[scenic trench]

how much dps does a good red build go for these days?

[shy willow]

Depends on the build

Striker chest loadout you're looking at a top end of about 1.5-2 million per shot without team buffs

[scenic trench]

seems like it's gone up quite a bit since my time

[subtle bluff]

You can kind of compare with both showcases. The old meta vs new meta

The weapons maybe lil unfair MG5 base is much higher.

[flint arch]

where pvgc striker

[scenic trench]

striker wasnt even in most conversations last time i was here lmao, thats how out of the loop i am

[subtle bluff]

This version has been around longer or just ask long

[flint arch]

early WONY player?

[subtle bluff]

Maybe when it was first released...

[flint arch]

i remember when striker first came out it was kinda hot garbage

[subtle bluff]

From what I know once it got it's rework it was all over.

[scenic trench]

i stopped playing around where season 4 ended, so probably ancient by now

[flint arch]

we're in Y8S1

[scenic trench]

Y8 alread? oh yeah im old as hell

[flint arch]

🥹

[subtle bluff]

I still want to update this video using MG5 instead.

Maybe I should do it on no SHD watch one.

[scenic trench]

i do still have a gc/vg build, aint perfect but serviceable

got a HF shotgun build, eclipse build, and somehow a TP build

[strong cave]

Eclipse keep, true Patriot straight up junk it. Hunters fury shotgun would have to take a look at and see what's all on it

[scenic trench]

along with a few things i made for fun back in the day

[strong cave]

Or well, unless that true Patriot is rolled for mostly reds. Then maybe keep it

[scenic trench]

yeah they rolled red, cant recall why i made it tho

[strong cave]

I've found in my play testing that you have to strip basically 2 to 3 blues just to really feel like you're doing somewhat decent damage. I've managed to get it down to all red and it doesn't hit as bad. The debuffs were nerfed a long time ago

[scenic trench]

i also got a tip of the spear set for some reason

[strong cave]

Yeah that was good back then too. That also got the axe

[strong cave]

My current TP build is 4 pieces all with crits, no armor cores, Ceska chest w/ oblit and overdogs gloves. It'll sound like gibberish to you for now but once you get back into the game you'll understand it

[scenic trench]

goddamn, so them both got junked

[scenic trench]

my TP got sawyer knees and overwatch petrov chest, probably a full on abomination these days lmao

[strong cave]

Yeah they axed them both many many years ago. Tip is now pure trash. Except during Hollywood global event with demo MGL. True Patriot isn't awful, you just have to remove basically all the armor off it to start dealing damage. The debuffs are somewhat nice if you take the TP backpack

[strong cave]

Yeah that's definitely a build of builds lol. Times were different then. Id screenshot them and your agent. Keep it as a time capsule

Or you can make a whole new character, boost it to 40, and just start farming fresh builds on that and keep the main as a time capsule

Wonder how my SHD 200 something Xbox character is doing with Ninjabike 😂

[scenic trench]

i mean i do have a secondary character, the only thing i got there is a healer build and shield build with those sets from iron horse

[strong cave]

You definitely did some raiding back in the day then, a true OG. I've only seen videos of it being done back then. I came into div 2 a bit late, around 2022

I do vaguely remember Holsters having talents at that time I think

Unfortunately when I joined up, all the rage was striker builds. Still is for the most part. I never got to experience how the high end builds were back then

[scenic trench]

yeah, i got my eagle bearer and ravenous from the raids

[fierce ether]

guys in TS build what secondary weapon is good? and what talent?

in ping guide only show main weapon

[livid sorrel]

you want to spend most of your time on your lmg to maintain stacks

[scenic trench]

got another question tho

wheres OD set now in the conversation

[flint arch]

ongoing directive is pretty good

[scenic trench]

o shit, the ugly duckling got buffed?

[flint arch]

i guess, it can both buff your team's damage and lets you do more than serviceable damage to the enemy

its main issue is that you need to be able to kill humans in hopefully 1 mag or you lose your hollow point ammo

if you're dealing with robots or extremely tanky humans, OD will run into problems

[scenic trench]

i see, i see

[paper dagger]

u got a video for everything chow? 😄

[subtle bluff]

Maybe…

I don’t only say or explain stuff I show it.

[paper dagger]

I love that bro 🙂 was not an offense at all if it read like that 😅

[subtle bluff]

I hate using words too sometimes.

My ADHD and ESL make it hard sometimes.

“Maybe..” was trying to joking. We’re all good

[scenic trench]

so what i gathered from the brief convo is that gear sets just about flipped between then and now, the okay ones arent so good no more and the ones that werent so good are now good. High end stuff is still exactly where it is tho

but so many new brands and exotics i cant even wrap my head around

[flint arch]

its probably better to start from scratch tbh

[scenic trench]

yea a lot of "for fun" stuff are prolly getting chucked

not my reflector build tho, that one i like

feast your eyes upon the heresy and despair

went into a few heroics with it, the hardest thing is landing the killshots to get future perfect to full stack, but was pretty fun

[weak quail]

With an Emp or shock can still proc OD on machines but tanky ones can be an issue ye

[surreal elk]

what exotic would you wear with tipping scales for escals? The overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

Yes, both Disrupt and Shock are a Status Effect

[weak quail]

Yeah and most wardogs tend to disrupt the rest after they explode to keep it going

Emp jammer slaps black tusk so people usually run it anyway, if not i

[subtle bluff]

So this is why we pair OD with LMG to have a big mag dmg.

Hence the clip above...

[viral ridge]

Would tipping scales be a good set to replace strikers?

[normal shadow]

Depends on the context and the content.

[viral ridge]

Overall. I'm a new player and trying out different build, i feel like striker doesn't do a lot of damage with my current setup and stats

[normal shadow]

Hmm. What's your current setup?

[cinder karma]

Would love to see a video from chow making current endgame activities less of a chore and more something somebody wants to do lol

[subtle bluff]

I did for incursion

[soft crane]

Its on the same level as Strikers and pretty much work the same way except the time you need to reach max stack is fixed.

10 seconds without chest piece.
15 seconds with chest piece.

[cinder karma]

It's good he shows the builds and explains them. Very little do even that

[subtle bluff]

I'm a not a enough a content creator to spread it.

[cinder karma]

One of my clan members was working on a guide but then stopped. Was even going to make video breakdowns of the builds too

[subtle bluff]

If I had my ADHD under some what control to edit videos I could do lil more. I just keep so simple for myself.

[cinder karma]

Adderall. self work

😭

[viral ridge]

Well i've been trying escalation and compared to other players, they're doing like 3 or 4x my damage at the end

Granted, i have very bad stats, 35CHC, 56CHD etc

[cinder karma]

Would explain quite a lot

[normal shadow]

I mean that would do it for starters.

Also players with more experience usually know what to shoot, from where to shoot and have better gear.

[subtle bluff]

Escalation is suppose to be HARDER.

You need at least a build that's is viable.

[strong cave]

You'd be surprised. I managed to run 3 back to back tier 5's with people running "wtf" builds. I did basically everything but having 3 decoys and 1 of them healing was pretty funny

[viral ridge]

I have a half built strikers xD last T4 i did i only did 800m compared to others doing 1.7 and 1.8

[strong cave]

But I random MM for legendary zoo and everyone with perfect builds can't even carry their weight and not die

[subtle bluff]

My days of trolling carrying incursions..........

💀

[strong cave]

If I truly want to troll I would just randomly join peoples open world sessions and just travel to DZ. It'll force I think the whole squad to go there even if you decline

Or I would stand in the way of people shooting on purpose

[subtle bluff]

Nah that's not that bad...

I'm horrible... Like I should be baneed for a bit sometimes... But... I do get them thru it unless they just can't do anything..

Like first section... I just kill ALL the ads for them and even take out one turret and I just watch them try...

[grim pawn]

Im trying to find a good build for escalation and legendary content. Anyone have any options they use

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub in the Pinned Messages Striker Guide and there's a escalation guide.
Escalation is it's own meta and different from everything else.

[grim pawn]

Thank you.

[strong cave]

I'm also the type to start a revive on an agent, cancel it, and start it again. Preventing them from ending themselves OR backing out. They have to physically Alt + F4

[subtle bluff]

You haven't seen my clip watching players run from rusher like there the devil...

[strong cave]

😂😂 you and I could do some damage. How about we generate a ton of threat and stand behind clueless so they get shot instead

A decoy sometimes works as well

I try not to stoop to being that petty. It was only 3 times I ever had to be that toxic 😭

[subtle bluff]

have you seen my clip for against blues not doing anything?

[strong cave]

I've got clips of invisible rushers as well

[subtle bluff]

I warn players

No ever read or replies to me sooo

[strong cave]

Yeah sometimes in the chats people don't ever reply in game either

Damn, server auto flagged me for explaining what my 2 usual replies are if I get one... Oh well

[livid sorrel]

People don't like unsolicited advice no matter how much they need it

[subtle bluff]

I haven't had to repost this for awhile

[strong cave]

You are so goddamn right

[livid sorrel]

Less new people coming by for their tank builds ig

[strong cave]

"yeah bro my build does DPS"

The DPS build in question: 1xWyvern, 3x5.11, Ninjabike, Golan

[subtle bluff]

I guess that's one thing I can kind of be thankful for...

[strong cave]

It's because I've not been around to recommend the good ones

[fierce ether]

@subtle bluff i saw in the TS guide, measured is the best for LMG mk46 or fast hands?

[livid sorrel]

My build does DPS bro trust me it works well when i play with my friends

[strong cave]

I used to think that. Until I started trying ravenous in groups. Then I quickly became targeted by everything

Build so good and hits so hard I have to NOT use to to not die bc I gen too much threat

[subtle bluff]

There isn't a "best" at that rate it's more of player choice.

[strong cave]

Doesn't help my Rav bursts for like 15 million w/ full offensive stacks and hits for 1.2m - 1.8m (both shots)

[subtle bluff]

I'm still bad at using rav

But also I use my Lex a lot.

[livid sorrel]

the urge to make a rav build to take into heroic just to practice

[strong cave]

Honestly it needs weapon handling. Just to keep it somewhat down range

[subtle bluff]

I need to try elmo has my switch

[strong cave]

Chow I know you have a counting phobia, but genuinely with Rav just wait until you see the red stack icon full then just swap shoulders. Keep shooting. Swap back when you feel like it

I rarely ever count now bc I've enforced it into my head using Rav/Scorpio. But once you start getting the hang of it, it's autopilot from then onward

[strong cave]

3 zwi, Ceska bag, Overdogs, Fox's knees. Everything crit. Wouldn't recommend glass, would recommend obliterate

If you're wondering why, put glass on and fight a room. You'll see why glass is a bad decision even if mathematically it is a damage boost

[subtle bluff]

Idk.... Not my thing..

I think it's from all the corners and stunt driving I've done in my life....

[strong cave]

Bro's brain is Fruit Smoothie

All that Hooning with no brain bucket? 43 would be terrified

Speaking of brain buckets,

Division 2 NVG tactical helmet solo piece when

[subtle bluff]

sir.

[strong cave]

Meow

[flint arch]

I don't care if I get deleted in 5 seconds, I will run PVGC and you cannot stop me

[strong cave]

Care to give me an emoji demonstration to what happened to your armor with ravenous when you tried it?

[flint arch]

🥹

[strong cave]

Obliterate ftw on this one

[vivid jolt]

it matters not, ravenous will always have a cult following as the only gun in this game with skill expression and genuine nuance build wise

[strong cave]

It does take a serious amount of skill to make it work. I was lucky I stumbled upon my own setup I use myself. It's biggest downfall is the fact it just shoots slow bc it's a rifle. So you're hoping for burst DPS by spamming offensive primers at full stacks (I'm hitting for 15m bursts). If a target shoots you back and you're face trading, they'll likely win because they output damage at a quicker rate

Even despite the fact I crit for 1m to the body, sometimes 1.2 - 1.8 depending on Overdogs and stacks (Oblit or Vigi uptime). I hit hard but don't hit fast enough. Making a ravy build forces you into playing armor (bad) or all red pixel peek (also not as easy with Rav bc of the shoulder mechanic)

[livid sorrel]

The humble blindfire from short cover:

[strong cave]

Yah devs went and nerfed that a long while ago. Then gave us an exotic to fix it lol

I wouldn't blind fire ravenous unless that was my last resort option

[urban latch]

I've seen pictures of this

[strong cave]

Were some of them questionable how he lived?

I feel like chow has taken some nasty hits in that Beemer

[urban latch]

It looked exciting, but chow was apparently pretty relaxed at the time

[soft crane]

Apparently Mr.Chow hates cat. He just left.

[subtle bluff]

o haven't yet... i felt a something was off

click my name it me.

[soft crane]

huh?

[subtle bluff]

idk... i zzzzzzzzz now

[soft crane]

He's tripping.

[strong cave]

Chow had too much chow

[dusk edge]

oh my god i do have Pestilence

what's the build for this? i've been hearing crazy stuff with this LMG

[flint arch]

pesti guide

[fierce ether]

Guys to level up the proto augments do i need protolab?

And prototypes cant be optimised right?

[patent fossil]

correct on both counts

[fierce ether]

Fffff need lvl 30 expertise then noooooooo

[patent fossil]

but protolab isn't something you have to earn, it's just there in the tinkering menu (probably only after you reach lvl 40)

[patent fossil]

no, you don't need 30 expertise to access protolab, just check your tinkering menu

[fierce ether]

Ohhhh nice nice true

Best pieces are CHC or CHD i mean TS and striker

To aim for

[exotic talon]

rugged gauntlets...

[hazy steeple]

1 run of Bunker today, and 2 pieces of TS w/CHC.
Gonna have to actually make a TS build.

[dusk edge]

thank you

[junior lagoon]

is echo the best augment on striker builds ? if so what are the second third bests?

[dusk edge]

oh my god glass cannon

isn't it a bit dangerous to use glass cannon? or am i too much of a wimp

[flint arch]

you can use Equalizer but you will lose some damage

[hazy steeple]

Once you're at the level where you can make full use of a build like that, GC isn't that much extra damage.

[junior lagoon]

in the long run, we are all dead

[dusk edge]

ah. i just reached SHD 400

[hazy steeple]

SHD level doesn't really matter, it's all about the difficulty of the mission you're doing, and knowing how to use your build in that space.

(and of course, what the build is, :p)

[dusk edge]

ah. figures. just getting hit scares me a lot

[hazy steeple]

Oh it's terrifying when you first get to that stage of div2.
You die so fast that it feels like a ninja snuck up on you.

[junior lagoon]

best way of avoiding hit is killing them faster

[livid sorrel]

1000 shd gives you stat bonuses but after that it doesn't matter

[hazy steeple]

SHD up to 2k gives you an incredibly minor health bonus, but I'm talking like, 1/8th of a shot extra.
But yeah, you can go endgame without SHD 1k.

To be 100% honest, as long as you have your CHC and CHD (crit chance and crit damage) stats on the Watch maxed out, you're kinda done with it.

[open urchin]

ammo bonus may be minor but still effective with LMG's

[dusk edge]

ooh. pestilence seems to be best for groups than solo

[hazy steeple]

I mean none are worthless, but generally speaking you won't be emptying out any ammo counter with the right build.

[open urchin]

i mean the bullet king just gets overall increased ammo not just reserves

[hazy steeple]

If you haven't yet, check out the "spreadsheet 2", that's 📌 pinned in this channel. The build hub are all heroic+ viable, with some of the guides being Escalation ready.

All made by folks in here, no clickbait in sight.

[junior lagoon]

anybody?

[gentle lichen]

Paradox and quantum

[flint arch]

echo is the best, amalgam is good QoL (don't put too much tho), quantum provides survivability

[gentle lichen]

Now quantum usage gets worse the better you are but it is a life saver even on 6%

[hazy steeple]

I love that "skills cooldown faster on bullet hit" one.
Very heavily considering never taking it off my Strikers.

[gentle lichen]

Yeah actually 1 pc amalgam is great

[livid sorrel]

Top builds* unkillable* shreds escalation*

[dusk edge]

is striker pestilence a thing?

[flint arch]

paradox has a slight issue with screwing up frenzy

[hazy steeple]

How did you see Chow's old builds?

[livid sorrel]

Not really, they don't work with each other

[dusk edge]

ah. figures

[hazy steeple]

If you check the spreadsheet for the Striker section, there's a full explanation as to why it doesn't work.

[gentle lichen]

Yeahh true

[livid sorrel]

Striker still buffs hits with Pestilence, but at that point you might as well use a high end LMG

[flint arch]

the more paradox you have the worse frenzy becomes

which is a problem because frenzy is really important in escal

[gentle lichen]

Maybe with enough paradox you can get away with a 50 mag mg5

[flint arch]

you would still need to roll the dice on hoping it procs enough but not too much

[gentle lichen]

do NOT speak to me about paradox proc chances i quit

[hazy steeple]

@livid sorrel
"but what makes it especially weak on Strikers is the bonus damage from Strikers stacks do not apply to the Pesti stacks".

[flint arch]

i feel like paradox is better used if you plan to use chems

since you can dupe your charges

also paradox counts per pellet if you're using a shotgun for some reason

[hazy steeple]

Levelling up my Striker Echo build, I've noticed a genuine buff in my overall kill time.

[livid sorrel]

Echo is basically an amp

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i calced that with 1 max paradox while using an m870 would net you 99.6% of the time a 40% mag size increase

[hazy steeple]

I mean it's not like I'm insta-killing people like a CoD quickscoper, but gradually it's taking marginally less time.

[livid sorrel]

It adds up

[flint arch]

my non-proto 0 expertise hhf build will surely benefit

i was too busy to farm HF yesterday 🥹

[gentle lichen]

Oorah baby

[flint arch]

🥹

[livid sorrel]

getting echo protos with almost perfect WD but WH attribute

[flint arch]

the echo on the mmr is slightly concerning tho

[hazy steeple]

Forgetting the colour-blind setting is a thing, I thought you were doing one of those joke builds.

[gentle lichen]

Didn't think of anything better honestly

[flint arch]

it screws up your headhunter stacks iirc because the echoed damage is not considered headshot damage

[gentle lichen]

Imagine using STINKY green proto color......

[mint axle]

People have small chance to survive a headshot, he better not take chances

[gentle lichen]

Holy shit i forgot about that

[hazy steeple]

"the people long for a return to puple tier drops"

My other option for mocking was "nice Regular build".

[gentle lichen]

I think i'll also roll quantum on it

[gentle lichen]

Is this a double entendre

[hazy steeple]

That word creeps me out, lets go with "two sided pun".

I'm glad someone got it though!

[twin parcel]

Hear ye hear ye, build gurus of TD2, i call upon thee.

I'd like to use a build that utilizes Shield splinterer and Scorpio. (I have better weapons at my disposal ofc but I set my sights on these two atm). And I also would like to have Bonus Armor while using crusader shield as a temporary buffer to allow Bonus Armor to stack

What should I build for regarding gear? Strikers Memento? HB Memento? Strikers Adrush? HB Adrush? Idk. Wanted to fool around with the funky F2000 for a while

Also, I have a nice FAMAS i rolled, would I want Measured or Optimistic for that?

[smoky latch]

FAMAS w/ Measured is good

Striker's and Memento is decent

[twin parcel]

for group play would I want matador instead?

i play primarily solo, like, all the time, so idk about group play items

[smoky latch]

Matador good for CQC builds

But with more than one blue core

[twin parcel]

I have a much more damaging setup with chameleon, but the utility of Scorpio is why I opted for Splinterer (and I also just wanted to use it for kicks), and for some reason I don't have Measured unlocked, so this is what I have currently.

Splinter, Scorp, QS, 4p Strik + Str Chest, Mem, UA Salvo

[smoky latch]

Use the Equalizer chest instead

You won't have many situations where you'll keep up the Striker's stacks at max

[copper latch]

should i use Pestilence as my main weapon?

[twin parcel]

Max strikers is more for raids and escalations correct?

I'm also wanting if possible to aim for something to deal with countdown hunters/hunters in general, while being able to kill adds. If this is an impossible combo to achieve that's ok. I've been enjoying countdown ever since I came back, but I feel that If I go with my giga damage Chameleon build, I can kill most things, but hunters and lack of stun will prove problematic. If I use this setup, hunters become a near non issue, but I can't kill jack shit for memento. (everyone kills the stuff im firing at when I am reloading)

Hence, the catch 22 i'm in atm.

[vernal wing]

Echo Frenzy will be better than Pestilence 99% of the time

[copper latch]

alright

[livid sorrel]

Just equalizer overdogs tbh. Chameleon suffers from being a pain to get the talent going

[smoky latch]

Heroic CD, Incursion, mid-high tier Escalations, sometimes in raids

Chameleon talent is indeed annoying, plus it sucks for longer ranges

[livid sorrel]

It's an smg larping as an AR

[twin parcel]

I find the talent nice, but I will admit, I loathe its range capabilities. Like, absolutely despise it.

[smoky latch]

Its accuracy in a nutshell

[twin parcel]

It should be counted in game as an SMG as it's clearly a futuristic vector, but I aint the dev in charge so.... I must live with this pain

[smoky latch]

It's an exotic Vector SMG with slight tweaks

[twin parcel]

if you barrel stuff them, its nice, other than that, accuracy, as a chameleon enjoyer, is dogshit.

[twin parcel]

im building this one for heroic CD. Do I drop salvo? And if so, what should I use with Equalizer and Matador as a gear set?

[mint axle]

No wonder the black tusk guy has it on the retaliation loading screen.

[smoky latch]

Heroic CD is a mild DPS check, I'd suggest full red

There are already too many people with blue builds that cause failing a run due to running out of time often

[twin parcel]

I was wanting blue in CD because people keep getting pinned and it becomes a stalemate, and then we run out of time. so I switched to this, and I am able to push the AI out of cover or force them to move. My runs have been more successful this way funny enough.
(I am also working from home so my replies will be slow)

[smoky latch]

You run out of time mostly because people don't clap the NPCs quick enough, very often due to players not dealing enough damage (getting cornered, getting suppressed lol, or getting downed)

[twin parcel]

Either way, what would you recommend with the idea I had in mind, should I keep this build in reserve? I'd likely sacrifice damage, but not sure if dropping salvo would be a good idea. Unless Eq is overall better?

[smoky latch]

Not for heroic CD. For general heroic play it doesn't really matter and it's fine

[twin parcel]

So keep salvo then yeah? Just to clarify?

[smoky latch]

Nah, Equalizer for heroic

[twin parcel]

Currently have WD, WH, HSD Eq at my disposal. The only one that dropped thus far. EQ Strikers then? Probably yank the WH out and throw on CHC or CHD i assume

[smoky latch]

Until you get the right one, yeah

[twin parcel]

and to be sure, the EQ i currently have still out classes this other chest I have, correct? Or is (my) Eq roll too dogshit of a roll in comparison?

[vernal wing]

I would not ever use the one on the right

[twin parcel]

thats what I figured, but I wanted to make sure that I was correct in my assumption that my current EQ doesnt outclass the image on the left, simply because it is EQ

[vernal wing]

Correct a perfect rolled double crit EQ only even outclasses your current one by like 2-4% in total damage

[twin parcel]

And which one is better, FAMAS 2010 Measured or Shield Splinterer (P-Optimist)

[timid token]

Alr so I been thinking again any good lmg build

Is it tipping scale and equalizer + overdog

[vernal wing]

Measured > Optimist
Famas > F2000/Shield
because it has one less mod slot

[north tree]

Any advice on what build to go if I usually play solo and wants to do Escalation? I'm currently running Tipping Scales with Equalizer and Pestilence. But at T2 and above, its a little difficult

[twin parcel]

And measured FAMAS vs Measured Lex?

[vernal wing]

Lex is way easier to control and always comes with max rolls and DTOC. Lex has more damage per bullet and slightly slower fire rate.

[twin parcel]

I got max rolls dtoc on my current famas, so idk which one to do

[vernal wing]

Take them both to the firing range and you’ll see that the Famas jumps around everywhere. Even worse with the measured talent.

I like having more damage per bullet, so I use lex 99% of the time

[twin parcel]

and because I don't have measured (my dumbass decided to never extract it) would Killer or Close and Personal be a better placeholder?

[dusk edge]

ah, so that's why Pestilence is perfect with Glass Cannon. you apply debuff, shoot a little bit, and then sit back and relax

[vernal wing]

Strained? Killer if you play solo

[timid token]

I rly want that gun but idk where to farm it ima search it up

Everyone saying dark zone but am not PvP player

[dusk edge]

my build isn't in tip top shape yet but i cleared a Heroic CP, shot a few, then the rest of the status effects cleared the entire squad without me even doing anything

[timid token]

Nice

[twin parcel]

i thought strained is bad on FFR weapons (fast fire rate)?

[dusk edge]

but the striker drone is a perfect pair too. extra firepower to maximize the damage

but wow, the gun's good. i'll definitely keep it in tip top shape

i wonder wonder tho: what's the secondary for pestilence?

can i just roll with lexington?

[timid token]

Also google say I can farm pestilence in countdown is that correct

[dusk edge]

anything that gives you Exotic caches yeah
the faster the better

[timid token]

K

[timid token]

But aye man my rng suck ah lol

[lament reef]

frenzy feels incredible on lmgs even if you arent perfect looping
is this just cope or nah

[twin parcel]

frenzy is good. I doubted it at first but no its really good

[vernal wing]

The unconditional damage perks:
Measured > Strained > Ranger > Optimist

If it were me, I would just use the Famas with measured until you get another AR you can strip the talent from to slap on Lexington.

[twin parcel]

i dont have measured, but I will put on strained ty

[lament reef]

obviously something like gr9 or stoner is too big but all the ones with ~100 in the mag? incredible

[twin parcel]

m249 +Frenzy really good

[lament reef]

you can pretty reliably get a mag and a half with frenzy up, and also just change your reloading habits to proc it more

[timid token]

Also what talent do I need for my lmg build on my backpack

[lament reef]

yeah that one perfect loops but even nonperfect loops are good uptime, i feel

[lament reef]

for striker or tipping scales, you use the striker or tipping scales backpack

[timid token]

Tipping scales

[twin parcel]

and use gunner spec or opt for technician? Unsure if gunner is still the go to after my absence
(For AR weapons)

[lament reef]

gunner is still very good

[vernal wing]

Yeah gunner has rate of fire + Armor on kill + iirc there is a flat 15% weapon damage in there too

[twin parcel]

i didnt know if dmg to robots was better or not

• emp

[vernal wing]

Nah, Overdogs covers that 30% amplified to bots/drones

[lament reef]

we have emp sticky too, if you really want an antirobot button

[copper latch]

ye i think im done farming escalation for now

51 % CC 70% CD

[shy basalt]

you might want to fix that

60% cc is pretty important for TS

[lament reef]

yeah you want to be at 60 chc, even overcap if you have to

[dusk edge]

am i doing this right?

CHC/CHD are pretty low tho. 45% and 63% respectively

also, should i keep using stack broker? or is there a better secondary for Pestilence?

[smoky latch]

No. Don't use armor cores when you use (P)GC

[dusk edge]

oh? alright then

not even a single blue? 😨

[smoky latch]

ACS-12 shotguns are mostly used to build stacks, for Striker's for instance. Doesn't help you with this set. Use an AR for instance

[smoky latch]

Think about it: you use PGC to do more damage but you take more damage. The armor cores won't help you with survivability here but killing the NPCs faster does

[twin parcel]

ngl bihdawg, INF and I got off on the wrong foot and had some disagreements here and there, but he is very much correct. Armor won't save you from PGC. (I've tried, many a time...)

[dusk edge]

yeah. glass cannon's point is to not get hit so it makes sense

the silver lining is that it'll help me learn how to properly utilize covers

but i do need to get the expertise up for a bit tho at least

a little of armor don't hurt either

[timid token]

I did burn his health gone omfg

[dusk edge]

went with this

[timid token]

Even tho I’m doing 500k his health disappear lol

[smoky latch]

Go talk to Wally. I'd recommend decoy over repair drone 😬

[timid token]

Wally wonder where he at 😂

[onyx sage]

with Eva

[timid token]

I forgot where he at

[smoky latch]

It's a bug. She's the Descent lady over at the Castle settlement

[dusk edge]

the gadget... idk what to use for Pestilence. would Striker be okay still?

[smoky latch]

Solo?

[dusk edge]

yep. forever haha

[smoky latch]

Then not CoCo

The ideal solo build is a journey to farm because you'll need three Lengmo pieces with double crits so you can roll the cores to WD

[dawn perch]

Has anyone else try to use beacon on their build to buff team members

[dusk edge]

jesus

[timid token]

Found the fat one

[smoky latch]

Striker's just for straight DPS as the Pestilence ticks aren't affected by Striker's. Might as well use a different LMG with a damage talent

[dusk edge]

i'll still stick with Striker. it's served me well enough, maybe Pestilence too

[dusk edge]

striker drone i mean haha

[smoky latch]

Oh

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's mostly used for the regen, it's actually busted

[timid token]

I talk to Wally but now it saying enter the program how ?

[dusk edge]

go downstairs behind her

[smoky latch]

Turn left and walk down the stairs

[timid token]

Nvm

Found the way lol

[smoky latch]

Endure the Descent pain once to try it and then never visit again 😁

[dusk edge]

Striker, Hotshot, and Concentrated are perfect for my playstyle: ranged

[smoky latch]

Sounds like TS is for you

[dusk edge]

heavy on Hotshot bc i'm usually on sniper rifles but Striker made me fall in love with ARs

[timid token]

Mission completed now I won’t talk to her again

Time farm pestilence in countdown bye now

[dusk edge]

yeah i'm interested with that build too. for now i wanna make builds based on the guns i have already. Pestilence came to mind bc i read about "Strawberry Milkshake" on Resurgence and figured i'd tap into making a build for Pestilence if i managed to get it back in December

[obtuse shoal]

Ready to bring out ts tomorrow

[smoky latch]

Usually guns are used to complement builds, not the other way around. I mean you can use Pestilence with Striker's since you apparently play solo. So it's not really crucial

[dusk edge]

i like minmaxxing my stuff too for the best effect

[smoky latch]

But go get a full TS set for sure

[dusk edge]

some variety don't hurt tbh. at least i have some options if i ever get bored

[dusk edge]

will do

[smoky latch]

And the Iron Lung LMG

[woeful vector]

How on earth do people melt me in dark zone within 2 seconds. While I had 1.9 mil armour……

Can’t even fight back

Like what builds could they be using to be tanky yet still have insane damage

[smoky latch]

Are they using Tinkerer in their build?

[woeful vector]

Couldn’t tell you

[smoky latch]

Oh looks like you didn't inspect their build

[woeful vector]

No one on my social menu

[smoky latch]

Which you can when you're dead or when they're in your vicinity

[woeful vector]

Just snook up behind me and kills me in like 2 seconds flat.

Now stood here camping spawn point the freak

[smoky latch]

DZ has a shit ton of exploits

[woeful vector]

Pvp on this game just seems awful and pointless

Tried conflict. Could win some 1v1s but team just sat in down

[smoky latch]

Spawn camping has always been the biggest smol pp thing one can do aside from cheating

[woeful vector]

Spawn

[smoky latch]

#devsdontcare

Wait and see if the new PvP lead designer is a wizard or something. Don't waste your time until then, my suggestion

[woeful vector]

I’ve just been trying to find a build which can hold my own against these exfil rats.

But no matter what I try. 2Mill armour and I’m melted still

[smoky latch]

Try consulting #td2-pvp-discussions

[woeful vector]

Did yesterday. Not one useful response.

Just one guy being weird trying to correct me…….

[dusk edge]

so i looked at the docs... turns out TS uses Striker's setup too (EQ + OD). i know what to grind for next time because i happened to have Iron Lung too

now the question is... Pestilence + CC or Iron Lung + TS?

[smoky latch]

Don't mind the proto slop

#td2-build-advice message

[dusk edge]

ah lel it's fine. the basic design's still the same anyways

[smoky latch]

I edited my msg, forgot the link lol

[dusk edge]

what's the chest for that one?

[smoky latch]

Petrov

[dusk edge]

ooh. alright

[smoky latch]

You could also use Sacrifice

[velvet raven]

Got a question about this build made for T10 esca : Is The Hollow Man any useful in heroic/legendary ?

[dusk edge]

yeah. i'll go with sacrifice

different icons... does the doc use an older version?

[halcyon crater]

Not really, the standard striker build is better for those

[smoky latch]

Optimal would be MK46/M249B

In heroic and legendary not really indeed

[velvet raven]

What is the standard striker build ?

[lost wren]

hollow man is for escalations because of the major health boost enemies get alongside how at base it's heroic, so not as many veteran or elite enemies

[halcyon crater]

4 pcs striker + equalizer + overdogs

[smoky latch]

Check the first pin in here to find a spreadsheet that has a Striker's guide

[velvet raven]

Thank you

[shy basalt]

ngl the more i do the more escalations are just poorly designed lmao

[lost wren]

they've always been poorly designed lol

[shy basalt]

they don't have any of the new skills + new AI that legendary has because it's on heroic

so it's essentially just a bullet sponge

since the scaling goes nuts on hp

[woeful vector]

What’s a good all around build atm?

I’ve always played solo so never had any to speak to about builds really.

I have a strikers with Ceska mask and memento Bp. That’s all I kinda use.

[mint axle]

It's the same striker but everything is proto proto nowdays

[woeful vector]

Yh I don’t understand that proto stuff. I don’t wanna fk up my builds upgrading stuff I already use.

And I’m no where near lvl30 expertise for anything….. as I use striker religiously yet most I can get that to is 5

[lament reef]

yeah proto and expertise is more of a long term player time sink

[ocean wyvern]

You won't mess anything up, it doesn't change any of your talents or attributes

[woeful vector]

So what does it add then?

[ocean wyvern]

Higher top ends on the attributes and a prototype perk

[woeful vector]

As I can’t even look in game because I have no Eligible items

[lost wren]

and also 30 expertise by default

[ocean wyvern]

i.e. instead of 15% max weapon damage on a red core, proto maxes at 22.5% and minimum rolls at 15%

[woeful vector]

And what builds do ppl use for those legendary weekly stronghold missions?

Last time I did one it took like 3 hours bc people kept leaving

[lost wren]

striker

all roads lead to striker

[ocean wyvern]

Tipping Scales or Refactor personally

(Striker is perfectly usable in legendary, I just prefer not to)

[lost wren]

at least for dps
tipping scales or even negotiator's dilemma are seen sometimes but neither compare to striker

[weak pike]

Striker is so boring to use in legendary

[ocean wyvern]

I wish ND felt like an enjoyable experience

[weak pike]

Boring in general but I get why it's used

[lost wren]

it can be

[ocean wyvern]

I haven't had the greatest experience with it, but I'm not against admitting I could be doing something wrong

[lost wren]

i mean how "enjoyable" something feels is subjective

you're not "wrong" for not enjoying it

[ocean wyvern]

That's also true, but there's been times where I wasn't enjoying a build because I wasn't utilizing it properly

[weak pike]

You just gotta play it more,get the feel

[woeful vector]

What do I use with refractor? I imagine yellow cores and capacitor.

[weak pike]

Yep. Artillery turret/striker drone

[ocean wyvern]

Arty turret? Usually you're running technician with refactor

[weak pike]

It can hit multiple enemies and burst heal is why I use it

[ocean wyvern]

That's fair, the cookie cutter setup is usually with assault turret and technician

[weak pike]

Yeah. I got another refractor but for status

[ocean wyvern]

Why status refactor? Wouldn't EP be better for that?

[woeful vector]

Do I want backpack or chest? For refractor

I somehow have a set in my stash. Never remember farming it

[ocean wyvern]

Chest if you wanna boost the healing, otherwise no BP/Chest

[magic pilot]

id just go turret/drone

[weak pike]

It's just for fun. I have a SD refrac

Run fire chem and stinger hive on mine

[tall shoal]

I main refractor in my play group, and my best results are either from named wyvern chest or tardigrade chest and combat arms on backpack with in sync or capacitor for weapons

[weak pike]

I run tardigrade on my tank top of the spear setup

See a low health enemy? Piggy back kill with sig insta refresh tardigrade