td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Do agree but at the start of every new fight it shouldn’t be needed.

[normal shadow]

Also I wouldn't even use Frenzy on anything under tier 5.

[subtle bluff]

At that rate it’s slop if you’re just wanting to drag players along like that.

[normal shadow]

The option is pretty much play only in premade groups.

[uneven sleet]

which one is the best striker build?

[subtle bluff]

Nah. Again that’s what separates an FI player versus a good support player..

[subtle bluff]

There’s a few due to what content you’re running with it.

[lament reef]

Do they get the amp if there is a drone or turret somewhere, or do you have to kill that first

[mint axle]

For low difficulty, overdogs equalizer and striker.

[jaunty surge]

I honestly don't get why you push for The Setup so much.

I can't even count how many times Birdie's has been better than any other option on escalation.

You're trying to play out an optimal scenario in your head where in 95% of groups, it simply won't work.

[patent fossil]

Yeah they share the tier with skill proxies so they always get the amp

[subtle bluff]

It’s straight up 15% more dmg that target takes.

[jaunty surge]

And I'm straight up not risking 90 credits in a T10 run for a 15% damage increase.

[subtle bluff]

If you can understand making up that last slot again for you not even having Lefty on your build your missing out on the support side of the build.

It’s not that hard to swap..

[livid sorrel]

equalizer overdogs is the usual pick for most things under t5 escalation

[subtle bluff]

I’m just gonna point to this again.

[uneven sleet]

and what for higher difficulties?

[subtle bluff]

It’s all in the striker guide if you follow the pinned messages.

[jaunty surge]

"Good support player". Right, whatever you say.

[chrome dome]

does anyone have the card showing the striker build with overdogs and equalizer? i dont know what specializations and stuff to go with it

[normal shadow]

You can also use a Alps chest with Empathic Resolve in that case.

[subtle bluff]

I’d like to correct you here.

Coyote is not AMP dmg it’s a slightly increase to Crit.
Salvo isn’t great with Frenzy builds due to already making so much RoF with it.

[subtle bluff]

Now you’re going backwards you lose 10% TWD.

[uneven sleet]

could you sned it, or point me?

[livid sorrel]

pins

[subtle bluff]

Desktop top right Pinned 📌

[misty crane]

What's better attribute for the lexi on a hb memento build? I currently have dttooc and I was thinking of switching to chc or do I keep

[uneven sleet]

is it the division 2 gear spreadsheet?

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[uneven sleet]

ty

[mint axle]

Dttoic is already the best

[subtle bluff]

It’s always DTTooC.

[normal shadow]

I mean I usually just use Alps gloves with FI chest.

[subtle bluff]

That’s fine. Alps or Hana-u works fine.

There was some posts or someone trying to say Empathic Resolve is good on FI but it’s easier uptime with FI and again remember this is just heroic scaling.
Here’s the other 2 thoughts why BTSU is really good at the start of the fight you can have someone have scanner pulse and use decoy and Global OC them for 15% amp that way then swap off BTSU after the chargers.

Supports in this game have a lot of flex they can do. It’s not just healing.

[normal shadow]

There's also the option to do foam chem instead of heal chem and a healer hive.

Just depends on what the team composition is and the mission etc.

[summer totem]

Wait a minute

[subtle bluff]

A lot of things.

[summer totem]

Wouldn't it be better if i use the full set of the gift instead of using ceska and grupo

[summer totem]

Nvm you're a diff person,

Someone suggested using ceska and GS then i mistook you for that someone when you mentioned using the gift

[soft crane]

That also works. Basically replacing +13% Headshot Damage with +13% CHD

[subtle bluff]

Prov Def

• 1pcs HSD
• 2pcs CHC
• 3pcs CHD

[summer totem]

Yeah that

[subtle bluff]

Make’s no difference it’s all the same.

[summer totem]

I'll probably use overdogs

[buoyant tangle]

Does the Coyote's mask bonus stack if mulitple people in a party wear it or should only 1 man in a team wear it at a time?

[subtle bluff]

No. Only one of the same buff at a time. You have a 3 different ones.

[soft crane]

No but all 3 effects can be activated at the same time.

[mint axle]

Yes and no, it has 3 different buffs that can be active by 3 people separately, but not the same buff.

[subtle bluff]

Imo it’s not really worth over just using Overdogs.

[summer totem]

@subtle bluff can you give me high end dps builds.

I wanna try em all

[misty crane]

One more question, is the ouroboros in the loot pool for retaliations and if so, which faction do I target?

[livid sorrel]

Only the blueprint is in retaliations

[summer totem]

Pretty ballsy to use that build

[misty crane]

Which faction is it in?

[livid sorrel]

BT on completion

[summer totem]

Can i change one of the UA with providence

[quiet wren]

Which are the best LMGs for an OD build?

[soft crane]

Any fast firing LMG that has at least 100 round mag.

[vernal wing]

Carnage

[quiet wren]

should I go with big alejandro or bluescreen for primary? I'll define the other one later jaja

[soft crane]

Yeah those are alright.

[vernal wing]

Most people like Bluescreen for the double CC

[quiet wren]

is that BiS? I also have cricket and gear shift for named options

[soft crane]

Now that I think about it, why didnt I use Alejandro + Overdogs for my OD build?

That seems a really good combo.

[summer totem]

Me an intellectual using salvo and memento for tipping scale

[summer totem]

Im being sarcastic dont attack me

[patent fossil]

Overdogs yes, but Carnage has that sweet amp, big Al isn't going to outdamage it

[soft crane]

Whats the difference between Weapon Damage and Amplifies Weapon Damage?

[summer totem]

Basically 30% of the damage you dealt

Weapon damage is just flat percentage of your base weapon's damage

[patent fossil]

In the case of sadist (and eyeless, flatline and all the other status-specific weapon talents), it's an amp, so fully multiplicative with all your other damage sources

[subtle bluff]

I have a showcase if it some where.

[soft crane]

I see.

[patent fossil]

Unlike say streamline, which really is just regular weapon damage and thus additive with red cores etc

[soft crane]

So, Weapon Damage is additive and amplifies Weapon Damage is multiplicative?

[summer totem]

Let's say you're dealing 1 mil per shot. You'll deal 1.3 mil using overdogs

[patent fossil]

Yeah, pretty much, although you can't always trust the in game wording

[summer totem]

Works the same for glass cannon too

[vernal wing]

Courtesy of @subtle bluff

[soft crane]

Alright thanks.

[vernal wing]

Do you know some common sources for Total Weapon Damage?

Measured?

[patent fossil]

Talents - obliterate, vigilance, etc

Yes, measured

[vernal wing]

Sweet thank you

[soft crane]

Wicked.

[vernal wing]

Dang that needs a buff

[soft crane]

What is?

[vernal wing]

The talent lol

[soft crane]

How much buff it should receive?

Hmmm, now that I think about it. Perhaps it should have 20% so it perfectly sits between Composure and Vigi.

[vernal wing]

Should amplify all damage done to the enemy like Opportunistic honestly

Or make status effects jump to nearby enemies

[soft crane]

Thats just Creeping Death.

[livid sorrel]

That's EP and that other bp talent i forgot the name of

[hazy steeple]

Wicked is basically at this point designed for an Ongoing Directive setup.
It ties in perfectly with it, and is effectively always active, no setup required once you have the bleed rounds from your first enemy.

[vernal wing]

It just hurts me when I realize that Striker bag is 25% amp. PVersatile is 45% amp. Memento is 30% weapon damage + Bonus armor.

[subtle bluff]

It's not exactly 25 amp due to its adding.
Versatile is in swap and range.

[onyx sage]

it's more like 15%

[junior lagoon]

i need a big alejandro build? is it just plug and play to strikers?

[smoky latch]

Yup, for instance

[soft crane]

Good old Striker or Tipping.

[subtle bluff]

and/or ND. I really like Big AL on ND.

[junior lagoon]

over bluescreen?

[smoky latch]

Nah not really TS. You'd be not fully utilizing the full TS talent on average with a high RoF LMG like Alejandro

[soft crane]

I always thought the Weapon Damage buff is nice since Tipping already gives you a shitton of CHD.

[smoky latch]

Yeah but the TS buff builds up statically over time

So the delta isn't that big

[dusky jetty]

does anyone have any links to good pvp builds for dz/conflict?

[smoky latch]

There's a basic starter guide to be found in the pinned spreadsheet but you'll want to check #td2-pvp-discussions for more detailed ones and suggestions

[dusky jetty]

thanks

[calm pollen]

IS THERE ANY OXIDIZER BUILD THATS GOOD?

[soft crane]

[smoky latch]

YES BUT OXIDIZER IS VERY SITUATIONAL

[calm pollen]

WHAT U MEAN?

[soft crane]

STOP IT!

[smoky latch]

NPCs escape the Oxi clouds quickly so you need to stack it several times in order to be effective. That works best on spawns but is not possible everywhere

[atomic anchor]

there's different oxidizer builds that u can make depending on how u plan to use it like for conflict or pve and the missions etc.

[subtle bluff]

oxi is niche

Too much cap here..

[vernal wing]

What’s the actual oxi build for spawn killing?

[shy willow]

Depends whether you want damage or duration

[vernal wing]

Whichever one people actually use?

[tulip gulch]

are the M249B and Tatical M249 Para the same?

[shy willow]

People use both, with variations

It really depends on context

[shy willow]

M249 variants and mk46 are statistically the same

[subtle bluff]

My guide some where in here is basic one

Oh dang I deleted it off of here..

[urban latch]

The general idea is your trying to just stack as much skill damage as possible, but they are almost always setup for specific situations depending on what your using it for

[vernal wing]

I found an old one from y7s3

[vernal wing]

Spawn killing Railyard in Iron Horse

[urban latch]

There's multiple oxy builds for railyard lol

[vernal wing]

They all suggest 3x Empress BTSU and and Fox/PGC

[vernal wing]

Do you know them?

[soft crane]

Oh shit I missed doing that. FPS drop intensifies.

The first boss in wooden horse.

[urban latch]

Your role for that would determine BTSU, acosta, or just all high end, or even something more niche

[urban latch]

But that's the basic setup to start with, then adjust to what the group needs.

There's so many different ways people setup railyard it's kind of impossible for me to say what youd need

[vernal wing]

Do you have a link, because Speedrunners don’t share shit and vroom is dead

[subtle bluff]

Ugh I don't have it saved it's on other public channels.

[vernal wing]

You can dm me

[subtle bluff]

It's here?

I need to leave it here anyways

[vernal wing]

Oh I read through this whole thing already

[shy willow]

The popular pieces are contractors, foxes, Acosta bag and chatterbox/glory daze

[vernal wing]

Wasn’t sure if incursion and railyard was the same I guess

[subtle bluff]

The only other things about this is Overdogs........

[shy willow]

And then everything else an assortment of high end

Usually 3 empress or wyvern or even a mix of shiny monkey/murakami

[storm prairie]

who have build witch firefly

[shy willow]

If you really want to use a firefly you can throw it onto a standard eclipse, but I wouldn't recommend whatsoever

[storm prairie]

why ?

[shy willow]

The firefly is trash

[storm prairie]

if i want use blinder firefly with group ?

[shy willow]

^

[storm prairie]

ohh

[shy willow]

If you need a reference there's an eclipse guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

foam is just a better status

[storm prairie]

ty

[storm prairie]

foam?

[shy willow]

Riot foam

The go-to for crowd control, immobilizes enemies it hits

[onyx sage]

riot foam chem launcher

[storm prairie]

ohh okey ty

[soft crane]

I call riot foam, the shit stain.

[junior lagoon]

so the lmg people use over gr9 in escalations is mk-46?

[soft crane]

Also, elite ball knowledge, you dont have to press F or any button to break it. You can look down to shoot the shit stain to break free. I think this way is faster.

Anyone who played wooden horse at least once should know this.

Man I really want that skill.

Lockdown Seeker Mine.

[tulip minnow]

Hey guys
I just reached lvl30, at lvl25 got a vest with unbreakable
Can i somehow transfer it to a lvl30 vest? Got a lotta new things but barely had any help reading and hnderstanding all the new mechanics that was unlocked

[soft crane]

You can but not sure if its possible for you to access tinkering station library.

At your current level.

[tulip minnow]

Rn it said something like i dont have any elements to transfer when i tried to open it

[signal pond]

You can do recalibration on items using the workbench, however with leveling it has two different parts a level 30+ one and a 40 one, I don’t believe items under 30 can be used to add to the library

[tulip minnow]

Any tips for farming an unbreakable vest then?

[onyx sage]

just get to lv40. no business trying to farm before then

[soft crane]

Yeah, theres no reason to try and create a build before reaching level 40.

Almost everything starts from there.

Man do i miss using unbreakable.

[subtle bluff]

Best tip here. Nothing really matters till you hit 40.
Just play game and try everything out while it doesn’t matter and learn and the gameplay.
Once you hit 40, in the Pinned Messages there a Starter Guide for lvl 40.
GL HF!

[teal ibex]

so i run a few escalation by now. and i see a lot of ppl use bulletking most of the time.
Why? its so damm annoying. this thing supresses enemies so damm easy >.>

[vernal wing]

It only makes sense with tipping scales

[teal ibex]

ofcourse they use it with that.

rather see an Alejandro then that dumbass weapon imo

[ocean wyvern]

Even with TS, usually it's only worth suppressing 1-2 enemies to keep the stacks, let the other enemies stay up and get slain

[smoky latch]

The more you play Escalations you more horrible builds you will see. I don't see ppl using the BK in higher tiers tho

[teal ibex]

its onl worth surpressing to keep stacks. not supress ALL OF EM. which this gun ALWAYS does

[teal ibex]

yea its just T5 yet i see so many use it im like.. why? its more anoying to have one using it then actual contribute 🤦‍♂️

[coral ginkgo]

Mk46 or m249 they both the same thing

[ocean wyvern]

I was saying that in agreeance with you, but yes

[subtle bluff]

Basically the same.

[teal ibex]

oh yea no that was just me venting the annoyance of encounters with these ppl >.>

[smoky latch]

You see many, many new players in the lower tier Escalations so I'm not surprised. Some make it in the higher tiers as well. Quite annoying when matchmaking

[teal ibex]

idk what i can handle. i know i do enough dps. but the true sons lately likes to aimbot like hell on me. especially these shield users hit me across the map its anoying lol

[smoky latch]

Passing around leadership in higher tiers like it's hot potato...

[teal ibex]

oh no my coins! those kind?

[smoky latch]

Yup, they either don't have or don't want to spend theirs

[teal ibex]

fine if u dont have it. dont be an ass to keep em for urself if ur doing it. is it that hard? i dont understand these people at all

[smoky latch]

If you are lobby leader you should have the tokens for the respective tier. Simple

[teal ibex]

and thanks to proto gear. a lot of 500 or low in legend missions and escaltion. aka asking for failing

[smoky latch]

They need to get away from that mentatlity that the group leader needs to invest his tokens while others risk nothing. That leads to crappy gameplay by people with crappy builds who aren't ready for the higher tiers who clearly rely on carries. Hasn't worked in Diablo 4 (latest instance of a game I recall had a very similar, if not the same, system) and it will not please the community in this game either

The tokens should be treated equally for every group member

[teal ibex]

yea

like everyone put in 10 or something

[smoky latch]

The amounts are debatable and can probably be mathed out in a ratio easily but the point is: equality

I kick players from my group who are clearly not ready to run T8-10 for instance. No secret

[teal ibex]

yea. idk what i need for those tiers anyway so i prob get kicked by you xD

[smoky latch]

Or if I happen to land in such a group I just leave

Other players I know do the same

If some numbskull now says "OMG YOU ARE SUCH AN ELITIST" yeah, go on bro, tell that yourself. I am not risking my tokens if the probability for a failed run is too high

Simply a flaw in the design, not my fault for not wanting to risk my tokens

[teal ibex]

risk in tokens because u know u fail isnt elitist imo. its knowing the skill lvl of someone or could do a fair assesment.

issue i have right now is that the game or really hates me today. like really dumb stuff happening 1 after another. 4 times in a row dieing because of dumb stuff.

[smoky latch]

Everyone f's up once in a while, that is not a problem

[subtle bluff]

Btw we added a +t5 escalation guide

[vernal wing]

Honestly, just eliminate the cost entirely and lower the rewards for everyone.

[smoky latch]

Nah, it should be worth our time and tokens are fine. Removing tokens makes it even easier for new players to gain access to the highest tier of gear

[teal ibex]

f one in awhile yes. i know when i make mistakes which is fine.

but the npcs shooting THROUGH stuff when you cant? its blatant bullshit

[smoky latch]

Happens sometimes to me too. Generally you'll surely get to remember the assets the NPCs will deal damage to you through and you'll avoid it (usually :D)

[smoky latch]

What I really don't understand tho is: the devs advertise the Escalations as "endgame of endgame" or something like that, yet incentivize new players to play it by adding blueprints for instance. Makes no sense to me.

[teal ibex]

unless they have a shield from true sons that are like legit better aimers then the sniper/sniper turrets etc

[smoky latch]

Elites aim for your head so a shield (unless Bulwark maybe) doesn't always help you. Better to use tall cover for instance

[teal ibex]

yea if there is tall cover. but u get my point i guess

[smoky latch]

Ultimately just a learning curve how to deal with it and to prioritize targets, etc.

[teal ibex]

yea overdog help with that a bunch. sadly sometimes ur like in a situation u gotta kill X first before anything else

[smoky latch]

You don't, really. Especially on lower tier content

[teal ibex]

trying to not do lower tier content haha. but i get what u mean

[tepid mantle]

are there any good smg builds ?

[vernal wing]

Back fire with 200 striker is pretty nuts. Mainly used in the incursion bosses

[smoky latch]

HF average SMG build

Check the pinned spreadsheet for some suggestions

[solar sable]

my all time favorite

[finite pumice]

@vernal wing here it is

[solar sable]

damn

[vernal wing]

7 piece echo is fire

The build looks fine, is something wrong with it?

[finite pumice]

No , just asking about the CHD and CHC balance

[vernal wing]

Yeah, only way you can even improve the build now is to rng for pieces with higher WD Cores or Higher CHD rolls. Or high enough CHC rolls that you can swap mods form CHC to CHD.

Good shit

[finite pumice]

I missed the striker daily targeted loot 😮‍💨😮‍💨

@vernal wing thanks for the advice

[teal ibex]

why u went for striker and not TS?🤔

200% crit dmg. lol how xD? seasonal modifier?

[solar sable]

TS falls off at high Escalation Tiers so... you get it

[tepid mantle]

anything i should change here ?

[smoky latch]

Personally I'd recommend an AR as secondary, otherwise solid

Different augments if you care

[tepid mantle]

yeah thats too expensiv for me 😄 i can only run t2-3 solo

[misty walrus]

nothing

[tepid mantle]

alright thanks guys

[teal ibex]

it does? why so? am i missing something i dont understand xD

[rare trout]

Thanks for the guide, it was very informative. Some questions:

1. Lmg names should be mk46 and m249. Guide has it as mk49 and m246.

2. For the FI healer build, wouldn't an improvised piece be better than Alps or Hana-u? With improvised, the extra mod slot (20% repair, 12% skill haste) is better than the 1 piece brandset bonus (18% repair, 10% skill haste)

3. Thoughts on Alps chest piece with empathic resolve instead of FI chest? I see that pretty frequently these days

[teal ibex]

litteral build i use. went with tinkerer see how that went. didnt do bad at all as well tbh

[tepid mantle]

yeah i feel like tinkere works better for me but im not sure

[teal ibex]

im still not sure why u only have 195 mag. and i got 260 lol.

[tepid mantle]

thats my tinkerer build

[tepid mantle]

i didint have the extra 50 bullets on my gun so i can reload more to get frenzy

[teal ibex]

i tested out measured or the other talent i dont know name off. (it does crit dmg longer u shoot)
and i do more dps without measured tbh

[tepid mantle]

nvm the 195 bullets is my mini gun you see in the screenshot

[teal ibex]

makes sense haha. i put RoF on the thing instead of bigger mag

[tepid mantle]

yeah m2

[tepid mantle]

maybe need to try that out but im not sure which one you are talking about im pretty new so i dont know all the talents

[solar sable]

TS stacks are lost very quickly no matter what you do, it's not worth it. You also get much higher numbers with Frenzy LMG & 200 stacks Striker’s.

[onyx sage]

not really falling off but because prototype doesn't improve it as much as it improves striker

[teal ibex]

tested that out. but oke ts was proto. striker wasnt. yet did 3mil more with TS full stacks then striker full stacks

[onyx sage]

gotta do apples to apples

striker stacks are easier to maintain, even easier if you don't use striker chest

[teal ibex]

yea its with striker chest tho. i assume u can say Higher tier esc. needs more consistent dps?

[onyx sage]

i use pgc on t10

striker chest is too cumbersome to use for me

[teal ibex]

personal grammer construct? no idea what it means xD

[onyx sage]

perfect glass cannon

[teal ibex]

ah

[onyx sage]

makes no difference because i die whether or not i use it

[teal ibex]

keeping stacks above 100 seems to be a pain

[solar sable]

smh...

you're just allergic to meta sir

[teal ibex]

so riddle me this. why do i more dps with TS then striker in that sense?

[smoky latch]

Not really if you have bullet sponge NPCs that take one full LMG mag with Frenzy

Often more even

[solar sable]

I've seen 3.6mil crits on 200 Strikers stacks with Frenzy more consistently

[teal ibex]

prob the stats are different on striker/TS set i use i guess🤔

[onyx sage]

you need to look at the big picture. striker reaches peak faster. striker stacks don't go away as fast.

and with prototype only giving you more weapon damage and more crit, something TS has abundantly whereas striker is unaffected because it uses an amp, and both starting on the same ground, striker scales better with prototype, hence the argument

[teal ibex]

thats one hell of a good explaination. therefor we thank u sir

[onyx sage]

if we all just look at "ooo my TS highest dmg is higher than striker highest dmg" we'd all be running striker chest everywhere, yet we don't

[solar sable]

blah blah blah blah
nerd talk

[teal ibex]

lol true. just asked as in why. its not so much about the "i has higher numbers" more bout understand of why use one set over another

[teal ibex]

me see 3.6m crit person 🤣

first encounter TS wins in dps. and every other encounter after striker due the stack fall off is slower🤔 makes sense to me

[onyx sage]

also not sure where the "3mil more" figure came from, are you looking at the bullet damage or did you calculate out the actual dps difference?

if it's just the bullet, then you gotta also look at the non-crit as well, cuz TS non-crit is absolutely painful to look at

[teal ibex]

dummy tested with both sets. reset on every mag. so 1 without frenzy triggered and one with.
yes barely difference in without frenzy. but with frenzy there was 24-25mil on striker. and 27-28 on TS

[onyx sage]

don't use the shooting range dps tracker...

we already went over this xD

[teal ibex]

knew u would say that lol. but its a "form". but its not exactly reliable i give u that

[onyx sage]

it's inconclusive, doesn't imply anything really

[teal ibex]

ii knoooewwwendjshabsan. its what i did atm. cant be arsed right now by finding the values for the excel sheet 🤣

still was clear difference. but ah well. i know what to do regardless👍

[onyx sage]

you can just look at the crit and non-crit and make an educated guess, no need to calculate the actual dps

most people don't see how low the non-crit on TS is and only look at the gigantic crit number

[teal ibex]

i look at dps checks usually. since other games etc etc. old habit i guess. i didnt look at crit damage or biggy numbers. just dps

[subtle bluff]

Are you math this?

[teal ibex]

i just told kim how it was haha.

[smoky latch]

@flint arch

[subtle bluff]

2. Yes but to keep it simple it. Really doesn’t matter that amount of mix-maxing has very minimal gain. We need to add more to this section due a lot of confusion. Really it should either or with Proto for the nade range.
3. Dunno what content creator or what is pushing this, but for FI and higher tier the idea is not getting hit much. The uptime of the buff on empathic isn’t as high as FI.

Ty for the feedback!

[vivid jolt]

i never got the idea of empathic in escalation, i do enough hot swapping between btsu and birdies as is and im not shaking ass for 5% extra team damage on the condition they get health gated

[subtle bluff]

FI chest don't use anything else on FI.

[vivid jolt]

yeah i don't dont worry

[subtle bluff]

Dunno where it came from.

[vivid jolt]

in lower end content it works but you also don't need a healer so....

[solar sable]

it's not entirely about the heals but the debuffs

[subtle bluff]

I blame clickbaiters

[vernal wing]

Empathetic resolve is really good on refactor though right?

[subtle bluff]

It's the best refactor can do to support.

[teal ibex]

Striker: @onyx sage want see TS too? btw if u got better advice for this setup lemme know

[onyx sage]

no salvo. you're better off with 1p ceska here

[vernal wing]

You think The Setup Scorpio or Force Multiplier Capacitor is better in a retal?

[teal ibex]

ceska holster?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[teal ibex]

aint that crit chance :S

[onyx sage]

or knees or gloves, and yes

[subtle bluff]

Yes more CHC mean more CHD.

Funny enough it's almost more on avg than tinkerer in sense for stained uptime.

Not really but.... The thought.

[onyx sage]

also salvo would make you reload too fast here and make you lose frenzy on next reload

[teal ibex]

actually had one on me haha

[subtle bluff]

Less healing.. I've never tried that but capa is decent amount DPS and more skill dmg.

[teal ibex]

im not sure what u mean with this lol

[lapis hare]

Im about to drop the 'traditional' striker build for real. It does nothing but get me killed so damn fast. Cant even go up to challenging because then ill get nowhere. Its honestly driving me crazy. I want to do these things to get better gear and such. Please help me!

[solar sable]

????

[inner rock]

echo

[solar sable]

"It's not about the car you drive, it's the driver driving the car that does the driving".

i.e. the build is not going to do its work if you don't improve your gameplay.

[lapis hare]

Okay, I should have also mentioned im not playing like a complete noob here. Im using cover and such. Im not just running and gunning.

[solar sable]

Ah so no context whatsoever? What is it that you want to show?

[inner rock]

just a basic striker and merciless, not bad damage. only if you could get that in somewhere else lol

[lapis hare]

Like is there a build that is best for solo play? Least until I get my SHD level to where I unlock all the perks

[teal ibex]

oke yea this plays more comf then TS. u were right. ''told u so'' yea yea. headpats for u 🤣

[onyx sage]

nah it's all good. i just want to save time for people is all

[vernal wing]

Just run striker with any clutch backpack

If you’re really crutching you can use refactor

[lapis hare]

I am running striker and im squishy as hell.

[teal ibex]

yea thanks. its more consistent now. base wep was like 200k with TS. now with striker it ramps up pretty fast even with striker chest

[ocean wyvern]

the clutch backpack talent is the key difference, it gives you some survivability and a way to recover

[teal ibex]

also 1 thing i wondered. now im using striker.
why does quickstep speed apply when im holding maingun? wasnt like this on TS

[lapis hare]

Ill see if I have that. Ill have to swap my Ceska chest for a Striker one.

[onyx sage]

overdrive event, check your event menu

[solar sable]

another fkn... agh.

[onyx sage]

don't get me started

I'm only less annoyed because i have no videos to work on

[solar sable]

all HE no exotics Leg Zoo

[lapis hare]

And seriously what weapon should I be using? Im currently using a Carbine 7 and ACS 12

[solar sable]

smg-9 w/Unwavering or Measured

instead of ACS

[lapis hare]

Oh okay.

Honestly that would probably be better.

Any recommended mods to put on these guns?

[teal ibex]

there no overdrive for me tho

[onyx sage]

https://thedivision2.com/tu-y8s1-2-update-notes

check your event menu again

esc menu > seasons > events

[teal ibex]

oh i misread the ongoing part. im a dumbass

[misty walrus]

why not? salvo fixes rpm problem of r9

[onyx sage]

i mean if you use bigger mags then sure

but that makes gr9 even worse than other frenzy lmgs, gr9's biggest weakness is taking so much longer to empty a non-frenzy mag to proc frenzy

at 200 rounds and striker's 15% rof, you don't need anymore rof boost, if you get more then you're just putting yourself at risk

think of the bigger picture 😄

[heady terrace]

i like the MG5 with killer, but thats not really for escal

[onyx sage]

mg5 is highest burst lmg, strong outside of escalation

[heady terrace]

yeah, its great

i need to make a build specifically for escal

working on a medic build

then use that medic build to get carried kekw

[junior lagoon]

is it always frenzy with mk-46? no killer etc.?

[onyx sage]

mk46 is quite middling in terms of burst damage, it's got good rpm and mag damage so it's not that bad, it's just that if you don't use frenzy on it then there are better options

[junior lagoon]

yep makes sense

[subtle bluff]

If we can get MG5(Slepner) to 150rds some where high enough it maybe worth then.

I don't have all the modifiers unlocked to try.

[slow glade]

Ugh I’m starting to finally understand this game a little bit 😂😂😭

[subtle bluff]

I'll be honest that's build isn't it.

[exotic talon]

its all over the place and nothing synergizes with each other

[heady terrace]

wip medic build

[lone wadi]

use lefty and not a reformation weapon

also is that revive hive lol

[smoky latch]

Gunner spec

[subtle bluff]

he said WIP!! hehe Not bad.

[smoky latch]

Way to go, pieces are solid

[solar sable]

I've got your moneh

[lapis hare]

Idk how you can play this game without revive hive. Especially on Challenging and higher.

[ocean wyvern]

In teamplay, especially as a medic, revive hive can be redundant

[lone wadi]

its a healer

healer should not be running revive hive

[ocean wyvern]

essentially, as a healer, you want to make the revive hive unneccessary

[lapis hare]

Oh my bad, i didn't know they were a healer build.

I can't tell what the set is just by looking at the icon. Havent spent much time with other sets

And just realized they said Medic build! 🤦‍♂️

[ocean wyvern]

That's Future Initiative, the giveaway that it's a healer are the gloves in most cases, since they're often running BTSU gloves

I wish battle medic was more viable, I'd have a ton of fun with that

[heady terrace]

i changed it mid mission lol mb

[hexed steppe]

Dont forget your mods

[rich cosmos]

Heres hoping for the new ar

[heady terrace]

i... dont have a lefty

[rich cosmos]

Im praying the new exotic ar has at least a 40 round mag but it not having attachments visibly is worrying

[heady terrace]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT

[ocean wyvern]

I'm not super optimistic on that tbh, it's kinda hard to balance both of them in this game

[lone wadi]

anything with sledgehamer first

[heady terrace]

well... as i said... wip kekw

[rich cosmos]

I mean not really

Its just that they really don’t buff anything

Like at all, massive really is allergic to changing the meta

[junior lagoon]

because community is unforgiving

[urban latch]

For as much as people complain about strikers, if they didnt make it the strongest set people would riot

[rich cosmos]

I don’t care if strikers is meta or not I more so care that it’s significantly better than everything else

A lot of builds would be significantly better with minor stat changes

[heady terrace]

gets inv to a raid

the mf host's build:

am i dumb or something or is this actual dog?

[urban latch]

You dont know about that god tier build?

[subtle bluff]

I'd leave that raid

[urban latch]

are they still grouping up somewhere?

[heady terrace]

bro isnt even locking in kekw

[urban latch]

accurate picture of certain people coming here to ask and refuse help

[ocean wyvern]

@vernal wing I've tried all red FI, idk why but it felt like the healing fell short when it counted

[vernal wing]

It’s not for healing 😂

Makes sense though

[ocean wyvern]

I know it's not like a dedicated healer, but it didn't feel like it gave enough of a stop-gap for someone licking the dirt

[heady terrace]

what gloves should i switch out with the BTSU data gloves if im going to use birdy?

[ocean wyvern]

I'd imagine you'd still wanna go alps to keep the repair skills

but I could be wrong

[smoky latch]

The Setup backpack and Alps gloves

[heady terrace]

working on getting the setup backpack

[subtle bluff]

Hana-u or Alp works

[heady terrace]

was in a raid and these jokesters had NO gear set compatibility

"hey jimmy! give me a build with nothin!"

"nothin?"

[hybrid leaf]

Glass cannon VS perfect obliterate...?

Is 25% weapon damage worth more than 25% crit damage

[onyx sage]

they're neither weapon damage nor crit damage

glass cannon is an amp, perfect obliterate is total weapon damage

either way if you don't have any other total weapon damage source (like vigilance) then obliterate is easier to use if you're on a crit build, otherwise gc is stronger because you don't have to ramp up and applies to all damage

[hybrid leaf]

Hmm

[heady terrace]

for medic, is it hybrid or climbing alps gloves?

[strong cave]

So how exactly did you join one? Not asking bc I wanna know how to myself, but am curious who the hell you found that is wearing those builds and WHERE

I've been in some disaster raids myself but if I saw the host was wearing that, id back out immediately

"hey yeah sorry, I had something pop up. Give the slot to a more deserving person"

[heady terrace]

i was inv in randomly

[strong cave]

💀

[heady terrace]

was wondering why like 2 of these guys acted like they just hit lvl 40

[strong cave]

I had that happen to me a few weeks ago. I declined it

[heady terrace]

looks in their builds because this mf was NOT doing damage, i, as the healer, had to kill some guys around me because they were so tunnel visioned on the boss

[stuck ridge]

but it sounded fun 😭

[strong cave]

Nah hell nah. It was a discovery raid at that and it was iron horse

[vocal sphinx]

say i got a hollow man with both max CHC and CHD. do i change the armor to weapon damage?

[strong cave]

How in the hell do you have a hollowman with both CHC/CHD if it always drops with Health Damage.... Hmmmm

[vocal sphinx]

sorry my bad not chc

[strong cave]

It can be either or CHC/CHD. Just can't have both naturally

Yeah if you have it as crit go for rolling off the armor for a weapon core

[vocal sphinx]

i mispoke im sorry

[strong cave]

No worries. Figured I'd clarify in case anyone here reading wasn't sure themselves 🤙

I myself have my English moments where speaking is hard 😂

[vocal sphinx]

lol i see thank you for the advice

[heady terrace]

wonder whats the best lmg for sustain dmg

ive just been using the mg5, best for burst tho

[silent storm]

Bulletking

[ocean wyvern]

Bullet King and Bluescreen take the top spots, GR9 and Stoner if you're looking outside of exotics, although GR9s fire rate is significantly higher

[heady terrace]

wtf is the stoner? named?

[ocean wyvern]

nope, Stoner LAMG, the Quiet Roar is it's named variant, I don't see them drop super often though

[heady terrace]

so stoner LAMG with what attibutes n talents?

ive always been bouncing around different lmgs, i just stuck to the MG5 with killer cause its lovely outside of escal

[ocean wyvern]

I mean usually it's CHC/CHD, personally I'm not a fan of the Stoner and I stick with the GR9 for the fire rate, if you're looking for sustained DPS, measured would be my pick, but killer could also work

[heady terrace]

killer is nice, but since im usually with a group it wont be as effective

I'll tinker something out, thaks

[subtle bluff]

For LMG it's pretty always CHC.

[sudden cloak]

A 4hour Iron horse has been the worst one I've been in

[ocean wyvern]

The last time I was in a 4 hour raid in this game, 5 of us were learning the mechanics

[strong cave]

Bro 4 hours? I could've did half a work shift in that time....

[strong cave]

That'll be me on iron horse when I care enough to know more than just shoot boss when someone says so

[sudden cloak]

I think i got more gray hairs from that raid tbh, I pulled rav and didn't even say anything

[strong cave]

20,000 levels and still don't know how to do IH. 2200+ hours as well

I've run it plenty times. Just shoot when told is all. I dislike IH is why

[strong cave]

I was lucky and got Rav my first run

[sudden cloak]

These people couldn't follow instructions to save their life

[grizzled loom]

what's better
FI birdies
FI BTSU data perfect opportunistic backpack

[strong cave]

The second portion with BTSU. Birdies is a hot swapping item you use to revive someone

[sudden cloak]

Btsu is better, just hot swap to birdie if needed

[strong cave]

Unless ur team is that booty cheeks. Then run Birdies

[grizzled loom]

I tend to prefer birdies ion high tier escalation

[subtle bluff]

I only have now 15 IH clears

[sudden cloak]

Just hotswap to it

[strong cave]

That's like... 7 more than me I think. I'm boutta be the new iron horse expert in town 🤠

Just need to find a legit reason to come back other than foaming people in pvp

[subtle bluff]

There are "FI healers" and actually supports.

[strong cave]

Yeah that's all I've been doing when I play. Queue conflict > hope no cheaters > foam anything I see. Watch the rage come in. Despite me never getting a kill on purpose

[sudden cloak]

Lol

[strong cave]

Tier 6 😂 full hazpro 😂 unbreakable w/ 1.4m armor 😂

90% status 😂 can't move 😂

It's the only thing keeping me playing. Even if only for like an hour or so

[sudden cloak]

That is disgusting, but I don't run pvp on pc myself, so more power to ya

[strong cave]

I used to run pvp all day every day. Had to stop it ruined my sanity. Unbalanced and cheater infested. Or dead. Still waiting on the pvp update 🤞

It's right around the corner

[sudden cloak]

Even consoles have cheaters which is crazy

[odd cairn]

Im right in saying that your actual CHC stat determines your general RCHC right?

Im trying to figure out this problem im having using my first bloom over my eagle bearer. For whatever reason when I use first bloom the RCHC just doesnt want to budge above 30% regardless of my actual stat but my EB scales appropriately

[subtle bluff]

R?

[sudden cloak]

Real?

[odd cairn]

What?

[subtle bluff]

RCHC, What's the R?

[odd cairn]

Yeah real

[subtle bluff]

What makes CHC not your "RCHC"

[sudden cloak]

So are you reading the mission report where it shows your stats?

[odd cairn]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

oh right it's in there too.

[sudden cloak]

Ignore the real chc

It's entirely rng dependant

[silent storm]

Mission reports don't matter

[odd cairn]

I do notice it when using the gun though. The amount of reg damage I get is noticeable

[sudden cloak]

What's EB mods give?

[odd cairn]

Idk if theres some intrinsic stat im supposed to know about or if im experiencing a vug

[subtle bluff]

You're overthinking it

[silent storm]

Hollow Man or Salvo to complete this?

[odd cairn]

Pretty sure it has a 15% crit chance mod but I supplement it anyway when I take it off

[subtle bluff]

Hollowman would do nothing for that build

[silent storm]

Salvo it is

[subtle bluff]

the number from your Stats Page is correct.

60 CHC is hard cap.

[odd cairn]

Yeah i keep it around 50

[sudden cloak]

You only get 2, 5% chc mods on first bloom

On top of it only having 3 mod slots

So you're just stiffed out of an extra 5% chc

[odd cairn]

Wouldn't of thought 5% difference would cause such a rift

[sudden cloak]

Are you running coyotes?

[odd cairn]

No

[sudden cloak]

Then you should be running no lower than 55% chc

50% is too low if you aren't running coyotes

[odd cairn]

Yeah i run 4 red investor

[sudden cloak]

You aren't short on chd then, so slot in another chc mod/roll, on your gear

It's a rather noticeable difference

[odd cairn]

Ill try that

[subtle bluff]

When done and built right it'll do something closer to this.

[sudden cloak]

Overdogs are the meta aren't they, still need a pair on psn

[smoky latch]

Neither, Overdogs

[silent storm]

I need to craft another pair for that but I'm lazy

[smoky latch]

What happened to your first pair?

[silent storm]

another character

[smoky latch]

Gotcha

[silent storm]

Too lazy to switch them back and forth

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man was meta for a while in '21 IIRC

[silent storm]

What is this guy talking?

[subtle bluff]

Oh Btw... DoveSol is car...

If you remember him....

[smoky latch]

Car?

[silent storm]

I don't

[solar sable]

OH NO

[tepid flume]

Is it worth it to swap out the Araldi Vigilance backpack w/ Overdogs on a HH Sniper build

[solar sable]

GOD DAMMIT

[smoky latch]

Hotdog build uses both

[solar sable]

swap out to what?

[subtle bluff]

One of the few people I've blocked but for him just talking out of his ass.

Even tho we've know each other for at least a year.

[tepid flume]

Ooo

So no 4PC HS now got it

[smoky latch]

🌭

[solar sable]

car doing car things...

[smoky latch]

Wondering why I can't send a text/emoji here when forwarding a message...

[solar sable]

they count as two separate messages

[subtle bluff]

You can search his name in my server and see all the braincell he uses.

[smoky latch]

Actually I will do that lmao

[subtle bluff]

It's a fun read.

or hurtful for your brain

[urban latch]

This is just straight up wrong

[subtle bluff]

It's "car" the one that got chewed out by iKia

[urban latch]

yeah I remember him lol

[smoky latch]

Idk who that is but he's on my ignore list. Must be for a reason

[sudden cloak]

Spewing nonsense is a good reason I'd say

[dusk edge]

ik this is a meme question but would be a good pair of gloves for a Striker Ninjabike build?

assuming we're only swapping between either Overdogs or Ninjabike

random ass question lmao idk why i'm even asking

[gusty scroll]

does magazine refill from steady hand talent works with hollow ammo magazine from OD set?

[smoky latch]

I think so

[subtle bluff]

kill bot plz

too fast

[halcyon sentinel]

would you still use overdogs vs contractor or salvo in TS for esca?

[exotic talon]

hollow man

[subtle bluff]

overdogs

[junior lagoon]

I thought hollow man was the new trend, what happened?

[twin parcel]

i got one earlier, but only health damage as the special bit of the mask, does not seem appealing at all to me. I scrapped it.

[flint arch]

i think this for tipping scales specifically

prob bc the TS chest is kinda chopped

so if you use a HE chest you have to pick between hollow man or overdogs, to which the latter will win

[round bridge]

lower tier yes, if higher tier nah

[flint arch]

you have to fire for 15 seconds uninterrupted to get max TS stacks with chest

[subtle bluff]

I just need to do math for them.

[flint arch]

no way to speed it up, and if you have to stop shooting you lose them fast

[subtle bluff]

Are they using mk46?

[gentle lichen]

Ermm ackshually it can be interrupted in fractions of a second

[flint arch]

🥹

[gentle lichen]

These people don't know how to burst fire anymore

[livid sorrel]

secondary cooler to build stacks

[round bridge]

for general content ts with Equalizer chest is very good

[subtle bluff]

We know

It’s just sad that TS chest for 5 more secs for that much dmg.

[gentle lichen]

Looks marginal to me

[frosty rivet]

We really pulling out the graphs

[subtle bluff]

It's the best way to explain TS Chest.

Unless you want just math numbers.

[frosty rivet]

No iam stupid I'll take the graph

[hybrid leaf]

Lowkey I'm sick of measured with frenzy on tinkerer. Thinking about frenzy + strained... Thoughts?

[heady terrace]

wondering which lmg is the best for escal

[inner rock]

forget lmgs and start using shotty

[flint arch]

military mk46 w/ frenzy

[hybrid leaf]

Why mk6 over GR9?

Can I get strained on an LMG or am I wasting my resources spamming the crafting bench lol

[heady terrace]

what are your GR9 mods? i know you got frenzy

[flint arch]

GR9 has low rpm and 200 rounds w/o mag size mods means it takes ages to proc frenzy if you lose it for whatever reason

MK46 has a pretty good RPM and 150 rounds (w/ gunner pouch) so losing frenzy is not as painful and you get it back quicker

[long dove]

is proto rpk with echo/measured better than my m249 i tested dps in training but its lower for sustained and higher for burst or am i wrong

[long dove]

nvm its shit

[sudden cloak]

Lol

[onyx sage]

the prodigal son has returned

[clear prairie]

anyoone have LMG build striker and Tipping share me pls

[hybrid arrow]

so im only expertise 28 and i got this first bloom with echo so its the best gun i have pretty much. running the striker with equalizer/ overdogs. but using first bloom should i run ninja bag/equalizer/hollow man or salvo to compensate its damage fall off?

[gentle lichen]

Does your first bloom have dtoc

[hybrid arrow]

hollow man would also get me taht 10 percent weapon damage

[sudden cloak]

No ninja bag

[hybrid arrow]

damage to armor

ninja builds no good? need that striker backpack?

[sudden cloak]

Ninja bag is a trap

[hybrid arrow]

how so

[sudden cloak]

Sounds good on paper, but in reality you're just shooting your dps in the foot

[sudden cloak]

You talking about the talent for the dmg fall off?

[hybrid arrow]

yes

figured damage to health from hollow man would be good for using that gun specifcally

[sudden cloak]

You should be fine with just equalizer and overdogs

[hybrid arrow]

pretty much eq/overdogs with tipping scales and nego too looks like in the compendium then too

[sudden cloak]

Just make sure you chc is good too since it is missing a mod slot

[hybrid arrow]

should i go 55.5 chance 108 damage or 60/93? everything maxxed out with max damage and chance mods to use

[sudden cloak]

I think 55 is fine myself

[hybrid arrow]

the formula does give 55/103 higher numbers than the other actually

i capped it to 60 on my TS cuz its all about crit damage, and my nego has 58/143

[sudden cloak]

On my dps builds, I like being between the 55-58% chc range

[hybrid arrow]

do u run all red? i have the stuff to go all red but i use 2 blue on em

[sudden cloak]

On strikers, ts and nego, I run full reds

If I'm not full reds then I'm on another build that makes people question my decisions

[hybrid arrow]

guesse ill have to get better lol

[sudden cloak]

You're fine to run 1-2blues, you do you, that's what you like then that's fine

[summer totem]

Thoughts on
Pestilence with
4 pc TS, contractor gloves and memento?

[woeful zodiac]

Any good Master difficulty Builds

[soft crane]

Yee yee ahh Strikers.

[summer totem]

Since pestilence scales with WD i thought having extra 30% wd from memento would be good

[woeful zodiac]

Hmmmmm I would get downed easily

[soft crane]

Then be better.

[sudden cloak]

They can't down you if they're dead is the striker approach, run 1-2 blues if you want just gonna take slightly longer to kill them

[exotic talon]

might be a good idea but memento requires kills to scale and pestilence DoT requires scaling to kill

[summer totem]

Fair but i mostly play solo so there's that

[slow shard]

May i ask how to achieve the overcharge level drone or turrent?

[uncut yarrow]

Skill build

[slow shard]

Yes i have skill level 6 now , what else i can do

[patent fossil]

Turn on seasonal modifiers, equip the active modifier that gives you overcharge, use that

[slow shard]

Oh thanks bren using the event directives for assult thingy will try it out

[patent fossil]

Otherwise, overcharge only comes from certain talents - eg future perfect, Acostas bag, btsu gloves etc

[slow shard]

Okey

[patent fossil]

Yeah you can't have the assault global event active at the same time as the season modifiers sadly

[soft crane]

Right.

[harsh shard]

What do you guy prefer

MK46 OR M249

[raw owl]

CAN someone send me a good build striker with optimisation with St Elmo ?

[livid sorrel]

Equalizer chest overdogs gloves
Dtooc on elmo

[hazy steeple]

If you check the 📌 pinned-message, there's a link in there called "spreadsheet 2". The builds section has a striker part with every combination of meta that you can think of for it.

[soft crane]

M249

[raw owl]

Its thé best atm ?

[livid sorrel]

ye

[soft crane]

Yeh.

[raw owl]

I dont know why but my max dps with this build is 200.000

[hazy steeple]

It depends what you want the build to be able to do.

[soft crane]

Send screenshot of your current build.

[brittle drift]

Thats not your dps

[raw owl]

Can i send u after?

[soft crane]

Send it here.

[brittle drift]

Dps is damage per second. You can check that in the shooting range

[hazy steeple]

This channel has image permissions.
Just post one of the main page, and one of the stats page where it lists your crit.

[raw owl]

Im not at home atm

[soft crane]

Then go home.

[raw owl]

Like 1 hour yeah

[soft crane]

Well alright then.

[livid sorrel]

Just follow this

[long dove]

this is way better with perfect measure right?

[dusky jetty]

which one do yall recommend? 55/144?

[summer totem]

What weapon tho

[dusky jetty]

gear shift

[summer totem]

Go for max crit 100%

Assuming you're using tipping

[dusky jetty]

max crit... chance? 😅

[summer totem]

60%

[dusky jetty]

cheers

[summer totem]

You need to proc your crits as much as possible to benefit from tipping scale's max chd potential

[dusky jetty]

makes sense

[versed summit]

for some added context

You should aim for or close to a 1:2 Ratio of Critical Hit Chance/Critical Hit Damage, until as close as possible to the Crit chance cap of 60% without going over. If you want to know the exact balance of CHC/CHD you should use, you can multiply your options together, and whichever number is highest will give the most damage.

Example: 60(CHC %) x 80 (CHD %) = 4800 50(CHC %) x 100 (CHD %) = 5000

There are some exceptions to this rule, like Killer, Negotiator's Dilemma, or Tipping Scales.

[dusky jetty]

thanks! that's useful

[summer totem]

Also another context @dusky jetty the stats will also base on the weapon in your primary slot

[dusky jetty]

yeah, that's one thing I did know haha, annoying you have to swap to see the secondary

[summer totem]

So if you switch to a weapon lets say exotic lmg that is pretty known for having no attachments that increases CHC

You'll see the true chc you get from your weapons

[short verge]

ooh, nice numbers. what weapons are you using here and what kind of loadout do you have?

[halcyon sentinel]

good enough to use?

[dusky jetty]

those were from this strikers one, but Silent pointed out I should probs use tipping, so it's less now (2nd loadout)

[versed summit]

Over what? it's not going to beat a Frenzy LMG, and you'd need to use technican for the linked laser pointer to get any real value out of it.

[halcyon sentinel]

prolly for OD i think?

[livid sorrel]

If it had sadist maybe

[versed summit]

I'd highly recommend dropping the petrov chest for an Equalizer, and Overdogs, and run Tipping Scales the same way. the tipping scales chest is not great.

[short verge]

tipping scales my beloved, very cool

[versed summit]

no. nothing about it synergizes for OD.

[halcyon sentinel]

yea i kind of forgot what use flatline thing

[livid sorrel]

Keep it and pray they add proto recalibration

[summer totem]

Isnt fhe stack increase good

I usually run my tipping with chest piece and memento as backpack

[versed summit]

takes too long and isn't enough to beat Obliterate by a meaningful amount

[dusky jetty]

yeah fair, its annoying cause I have this holster which is almost great 😂 I keep switching between ODs can't really tell the diff atm

[summer totem]

And contractor glvoes

[summer totem]

Is this a drop or

Id actually kms if that's a drop

[dusky jetty]

yeah, I'm only expertise 17 😂

[summer totem]

Man what de fak

AND THE GAME KEEPS GIVING ME HOTSHOT SKILL DAMAGE

[versed summit]

I see why you'd run it the way you do, but ceska would be a better option if you wanted to keep that piece in

[summer totem]

STRIKERS WEAPON HANDLING

In any case i think you can make up for the lost crit for grupo sombra

With GS*

[dusky jetty]

ceska chest with obliterate? I've not tried that yet

[summer totem]

That's genuinely a good roll what tier did that drop

[dusky jetty]

I fear telling you may push you over the edge

that was week 1 on t3

[summer totem]

For me i suggest using grupo sombra

To make up for the lost crit damage

[dusky jetty]

oh boy

[versed summit]

ceska has more "crit value" then grupo sombra, so by rebalancing your CHC to fit in ceska, you can get more crit damage and chance than you can with grupo sombra if that makes sense.

not always possible, but optimal when it is.

[summer totem]

Fair but he already has near optimal crit chance with the proto gears with chc what he needs is chd to maximize the damage input

[versed summit]

yes but if they can trade CHC for CHD, and fit in ceska it'd be better

you still get extra chd with ceska

[dusky jetty]

I'll report back, gotta farm a ceska chest now

thanks both

[versed summit]

you just have to rebalance the CHC & CHD

[summer totem]

At least have 55-59 crit chance but not over 60 unless the crit chance just fits exact to the number

If that makes sense

[versed summit]

think about it like this.

Česká Výroba s.r.o. is 8%, and 4/3 of a 6% CHC attribute

Grupo is 13/12 of a 12% CHD attribute

[summer totem]

At least to me that's how i do it unless im using tipping or smth

[versed summit]

sort of, what I posted above for calculating your CHD:CHC ratio is the most reliable way to do it.

[summer totem]

I still cant believe this mf got near maxed out unit alloys

[dusky jetty]

Im sorry 😂

[summer totem]

At tier 3 no less

[obtuse shoal]

Bro I swear this global modifier is messing with my damage...

[summer totem]

Even manually prototyping the gears dont get you that

[versed summit]

yeah, that's the point is it not?

[obtuse shoal]

in a bad way....

[heady terrace]

The chance is never 0%

[summer totem]

You mfs and yall lucks

[versed summit]

you can turn it off and see. IIRC there's no damage debuff from assault, it's just damage buffs

[livid sorrel]

The global event or the seasonal modifier?

[obtuse shoal]

seasonal modi i meant

[summer totem]

I grinded and gotten at least 30 striker pieces and you know how many were usable

[livid sorrel]

1

[summer totem]

Only 2 and its only a tiny fraction of stat increase

[heady terrace]

Just call me when striker / future initiative pops up in escal

I'll grind them so hard

[summer totem]

Keenkt

I cant say the word

[heady terrace]

I need more practice being a medic for 3 hot grizzly DPS men doing escal

[summer totem]

@heady terrace show me your striker stats

[heady terrace]

I'm not home atm

[summer totem]

I wanna see if your luck is as good

[heady terrace]

I started doing escal a few days ago

Yes, specifically because striker was up kekw

I don't think I'd even need proto future initiative, but it would be nice to have

[versed summit]

pretty minor overall IMO, better minor attributes is nice, but there's not much to do with the suped up skill tiers

probably not worth upgrading pieces, but farming it wouldn't be bad once it comes around

[heady terrace]

Proto FI would be nice for my LFG resume of helping hot grizzly DPS men in escal

[lost wren]

seems i've missed striker escalation

[heady terrace]

Best way to get carried in escal is to be the loving supportive healer that needs her biggg stronggg sweaty masculine men who could carry the small vulnerable medic

[mortal osprey]

What’s the Meta PVP dark zone build as of right now?

[soft crane]

My wife are Mary Masters and Sueko Tanagi. I can fix them.

[gentle lichen]

Core strength capacitor

[heady terrace]

Your typical pve build (no one actually fights other people in the DZ)

[gentle lichen]

But they do

[soft crane]

Nonsense.

You're in a different bracket than us. You havent reach SHD level 1000 dont you?

[heady terrace]

I've only ever fought 1 person in all my time in the DZ, just doing one of my priority missions kekw

[mortal osprey]

Well, that makes no sense because I definitely get hit in the dark zone

[versed summit]

I thought umbra was still stronger?

[heady terrace]

I've never needed to worry about other players in the DZ

[gentle lichen]

In hybrids core strength is superior and a single fire sticky can invalidate an umbra

[versed summit]

lol ok

[heady terrace]

And if I do see someone, they're also just doing their own thing, we all kinda go to the same extraction to drop off our loot

[gentle lichen]

Dps wise umbra still is better but when skill usage is into account that changes what happens

[dusky jetty]

here's the two

1. ceska chest
2. groupo chest

@summer totem @versed summit

[versed summit]

you can hit 59 with the ceska without going over

[dusky jetty]

this is the best I can get with the higher chc on the gun mods, cause can't change proto obvs

[versed summit]

can't change gear mods?

[dusky jetty]

gear mods all dmg atm

[versed summit]

then change you can change one to CHC and get 59.3

[dusky jetty]

ah yeah, bingo, nice

[heady terrace]

I need to grind more gear mods, I only ever found 2 god rolls in my 3 weeks of playing

[versed summit]

and that's how that math goes

[versed summit]

heroic or even challenging countdown works great

[vernal dagger]

I hardly get any maxed mods from those

[versed summit]

it's RNG

[vernal dagger]

I think summit is the only place I’ve gotten maxed mods from

Maybe a couple from countdown

[versed summit]

I have gotten most of mine from legendary/master & heroic open world, but that's also what a run the most

[long dove]

between gear shift with perfectly measured and m249b with strained im confused who does more dmg? ( both r prototype ) for striker + TS sets

[versed summit]

Measured will work out better for both, but especially on TS

[long dove]

i tried testing both im still capped at like 140% chd on both weapons since i need to cap my chc and change few mods/attachments on weapons

[versed summit]

regardless, measured > strained

[long dove]

and for striker? strained?

[heady terrace]

Even so, with targeted loot, I'm getting NOTH'N

[junior lagoon]

Legendary summit and strongholds are the places for max mods

Countdown, retaliation, escalation aint it

[vernal dagger]

Was ab to say legendary summit

[heady terrace]

:(

[vernal dagger]

Retaliation if you need printer filament

[versed summit]

still measured.

[vernal dagger]

I’m down to run leg summit if anyone’s down

[long dove]

so gear shift is kinda best proto lmg (except mk46 with frenzy)

[heady terrace]

I can join in, but I need to get back home

Probs home in 30

[raw owl]

d

[vernal dagger]

I gotta run to store anyways to grab medicine

[raw owl]

thats my build and i only get 200k max dps

[subtle bluff]

wrong chest

[raw owl]

what chest i need?

[versed summit]

I'd say so. Not sure how @subtle bluff feels

[subtle bluff]

wouldnt call it the best

[high dagger]

what weapon attachment should I use to reduce left-right recoil in LMG?

[subtle bluff]

equalizer

[vernal dagger]

Handling

Something that give that

[versed summit]

I mean, compared to frenzy it's not, so tbf it doesn't make sense to call it the best at all if you want to think about it like that.

[heady terrace]

LMGs aren't supposed to be accurate, they're supposed to dump hundreds of rounds down range

[versed summit]

stability, but honestly, just move the mouse

[long dove]

but between non proto mk46 with frenzy vs proto gear shift/m249 with strained which does more?

[versed summit]

frenzy

[heady terrace]

Unfortunately, these enemies need so much metal in their bodies they don't die from the bullets but die from lead poisoning

[subtle bluff]

i'd say measure on mg5 is better

[versed summit]

I cannot stress how strong Frenzy is

[subtle bluff]

i was trying to say within measured context

[versed summit]

ah true

[long dove]

just for the burst after reloading its that good or for mag dump?

[versed summit]

if the timing is correct, and it works out very well for MK46, you can have basically perfect uptime on it in combat. which is huge for sustained fights

[summer totem]

Good for you for getting 2 god rolls in 3 weeks

[heady terrace]

Thanks babe

[summer totem]

I swear this game is rigged for my downfall because holy crap

[heady terrace]

I jiggle my proto striker set at you like that blue slime from aliens Vs monsters

[long dove]

thnx guess i wll keep using regular mk til the gods favor me with proto one then cuz i just got gear shift / m249b with strained thought they r better since i didnt upgrade it

[heady terrace]

I need an lmg for escalation (is the medic 90% of the time)

[summer totem]

Tf you need it for then

[heady terrace]

For the 10% I'm DPS

[vernal dagger]

Right…

[gentle lichen]

chc minor and frenzy mk46 is pretty much what you want

[vernal dagger]

Big ale ig for ramping dmg from cover?

[heady terrace]

Maybe I should go to central chat going "Medic looking for hot grizzly DPS men doing escal"

[vernal dagger]

Or blue screen for more support

[heady terrace]

I need to try blue screen again

[gentle lichen]

@mortal osprey this is the typical core strength build with picaro and grupo being flexible for many brands including unit alloy/walker harris and such

[vernal wing]

It would be more like “Gamer girl needs to be carried through escalation, I will keep you healed :3 UwU”

Just be prepared for 3k+ DMs

[gentle lichen]

cores are adjustable but since core strength is best used as hybrid make sure to get 6 skill tiers then invest into blue or red cores

[summer totem]

I tried using this but with UA

[gentle lichen]

especially with how capacitor can double dip on weapon damage with skill tiers

[gentle lichen]

it's how i run it as well but im leaning more into mortar and sticky recently

[summer totem]

How's the damage with mortar

You're referring to pvp yes?

[gentle lichen]

like 714k and sticky for a mil
both expertise 30

[summer totem]

Damn expertise 30 skills

Does expertise carry over to pvp?

[obtuse shoal]

Decent numbers?

[versed summit]

DZ but not conflict

[gentle lichen]

prolly getting the rest of the gear to 30 for an extra blue core equivalent but that's for later

[versed summit]

it's assult everything is decent lol

[obtuse shoal]

I still can’t come to like hunters fury

[versed summit]

how come?

[obtuse shoal]

Trying to find the right weapon

[versed summit]

most smgs work well. Killer or measured

well... they work well enough

[gentle lichen]

with the movement speed buff on everything AND assault event i feel like cqb builds are eating extra good

[versed summit]

SMG-9 or tac vector 9mm work best

[summer totem]

Thoughts on the apartment smg?

[versed summit]

mid

[summer totem]

Was thinking of making it my main secondary with my strikers

[summer totem]

💔

[versed summit]

back n forth SMG-9 is my favorite secondary for striker

[summer totem]

I dont like the vector design ngl

[versed summit]

valid

[copper latch]

thoughts ?

[versed summit]

looks pretty solid, just try to fix the attribute on the chest

[copper latch]

ye trying to get it better

[summer totem]

Idk maybe its the proportion i hate the way the AR looks so small compared to smg

[copper latch]

was grinding for like 2 hours still cant get it

[summer totem]

Specifically the vector with stock and barrel

[versed summit]

If you're maining pesti and switching to lexington as a backup, killer is a pretty mid option as the uptime will be pretty mid. something like measured or back n forth are probably better, unless you only have 1 lexington for all your builds

[copper latch]

oh wait i got one with 2 blues

[halcyon sentinel]

good enough for esca? or just everything except esca?

[versed summit]

that sounds bad

[versed summit]

not gonna beat your frenzy HE mk46

[halcyon sentinel]

true, just kinda bored with it so try to chagne something haha

[summer totem]

For pure turret and drone build like no gearset

Should i use waveform or full yellow investor

[gentle lichen]

Neither

[summer totem]

Go on

[gentle lichen]

Lowk i forgot the old high end skill build meta

[shy willow]

I've found on Coco rifles make for great secondaries, namely the classic m1a

Hits like a truck and the build isn't reliant on fire rate

[summer totem]

Rn im using
Named Hana U bp
Hana u mask
Impertus
2 pc empress and wave form

[soft crane]

wa legend.

[gentle lichen]

Is waveform total skill damage or regular?

[shy willow]

Regular I believe, and it's not very good

Mid at best, better off with a piece that gives a consistent buff

[versed summit]

3 empress is better than waveform, but tbh, just use refactor

has more utility for everybody

[summer totem]

Tired of gearsets boss even if its disadvantageous

[versed summit]

regular

[summer totem]

I wanna see more of this for my dopamine

[soft crane]

What? More high-end builds?

[summer totem]

Yes

Lemme just

[versed summit]

well just don't put that debuff on your teammates

[summer totem]

There

[soft crane]

oh whoops sorry, thats my wife.

[gentle lichen]

Who needs an enemy with teammates like that

[versed summit]

no PGC?

[soft crane]

no I hate it

[versed summit]

ew

[summer totem]

Glass cannon over kinetic?

Idk i dont feel as satisfied seeing gearset builds ngl

[versed summit]

tbh I'd run ceska +grupo/fox's.

Not much of an advantage with the gift pr 2 pc prov.

[versed summit]

glass will be better if you're factoring in your guns damage alongside the skills.

[summer totem]

Only skill damage?

[versed summit]

KM is better

[summer totem]

Im so bored i wanna beat the game all over with high end builds

[shy willow]

I mean you can do so with ease it's not like it's a big shake up to the gameplay

We just have stuff that does the job better now outside of niche applications

[summer totem]

Not in legendary no

[gentle lichen]

I only wish gearsets were exciting UI wise like aces and true patriot instead of a logo on a ui or sometimes nothing (looking at you core strength)

[summer totem]

Im probably torturing myself but it is what it is

[versed summit]

wait why are you running spark on your chest

[gentle lichen]

I saw it but said nothing and on a second thought i should've

[shy willow]

I wish aces and true patriot were better

[soft crane]

idk

[shy willow]

Conceptually they're fun sets

[gentle lichen]

They were here since release like give them courtesy and do a rework

[shy willow]

I mean to be fair aces did get one but all it was was adding rifles

At least it's mid true patriot is just in the bin

[summer flax]

does the mk46 HAVE to roll with frenzy for it to be decent or am i gettin confused?

[heady terrace]

Last time I did something like that I got called slurs

[shy willow]

It's not like it's worthless without frenzy but that's the best one for most applications

[summer flax]

so i can rock the above until i get it i guess ?

[heady terrace]

It's weird how lmao is censored but uhh... A lot of other words ain't

[shy willow]

What talent does it have

[gentle lichen]

You can get a sadist one for OD i guess

[summer flax]

1 sec.

[versed summit]

it'd be neat if true patriot got a buff like OD did to make it a actually competitive DPS build

[shy willow]

I find it strange that it rolls blue but it has nothing to do with tanking

[versed summit]

I mean with the white buff you can get significant regen

[gentle lichen]

I guess it's more of a "bruiser" that primes enemies

[versed summit]

it's a support build

[gentle lichen]

Blue flag needs to be reworked into making enemies less accurate or some shit

[versed summit]

it's just there's no tanking mechanic in the game so red for more damage makes the most sense

[heady terrace]

What's OD?

[shy willow]

It heals based off your armour? Or scales individually

[gentle lichen]

Oh yeah

[shy willow]

Yeah not worth it, crunch it😭

[gentle lichen]

The explosion damage on triple flags is based on your armor

[summer flax]

ok

[versed summit]

I thought it was health

[heady terrace]

Give me a talent that makes enemies more inaccurate

[gentle lichen]

Is it?

[shy willow]

It says equivalent to targets HP+armour

[vernal dagger]

blue screen confusion