td2-build-advice

[ocean wyvern]

the wrenches are a recalibration, the circle with a line around it is optimized

[subtle bluff]

If I had the exo I’d proto my Lengmo stuff but I’ve too lazy to farm more exo

[silent storm]

Harrier Pride sounds like it would be really good but after using it for Proficiency it really just isn't good at all.

[subtle bluff]

We've mentioned this already but yes due to how stacks drop and you have to rebuild it.

[silent storm]

atleast proto cores only cost 5 coins now

Got a question about Prototype Augments. When they are on a weapon do you need to be holding that weapon or do they just count like the gear?

[subtle bluff]

Just like normal

[buoyant perch]

Holding only

[north tree]

Any recommendations for offense AR build to go with Blackout Pulse?

[silent storm]

Actually I just did this and it seems like secondary weapon doesn't count at all as I lost Echo and Trapper by putting the guns in second slot

[shut dew]

what could i do here in reality i know echo but like what else

[ocean wyvern]

your build is your core, the blackout pulse is a bonus effect

[ocean wyvern]

What's the build meant for?

[shut dew]

pure dps

using in escal

[buoyant perch]

Mask to ceska or hollowman

[shut dew]

even with my crit hit chance maxed already?

[buoyant perch]

You have 3 mods on the gun and 3 gear mods that could be changed to CHD

[ocean wyvern]

if CHC is max, replace ceska with grupo maybe? I'm not sure tbh

[shut dew]

true there would that beat out the 10% damage with lmg? if so i gotta wait on ceska to go into escal

im barely shd 384

[buoyant perch]

Yes, plus your mask has a yellow attribute on it making worse than regular ceska

[shut dew]

got it when ceska is in ill grind for the mask

[subtle bluff]

That's means you can take off CHC else where so you can have more CHD

If you go ceska you should be able to get a good amount of CHD.

[ocean wyvern]

MrChow, please enlighten me

[subtle bluff]

Alright done.

[ocean wyvern]

I think my assumption was being max CHC without Ceska

[quiet wren]

I thought you were only able to use the tinkering station for 1 thing only... how does it work then? do you know if there´s a guide somewhere?

[next dawn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[subtle bluff]

So this with hollowman you can see the difference I have it setup lil different due to using my AR often in escalation.

115 vs 145 CHD is a lot.

Proto also changes of those numbers of course.

[ocean wyvern]

Where's the extra CHD coming from?

[subtle bluff]

FUNNY enough Proto doesn't make TS that much vs Striker on another topic.

The gear.

Since Ceska gives more CHC you can swap CHC to CHD

[ocean wyvern]

That's what I was saying

[next dawn]

video equivalent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctljuCGkg-g

[subtle bluff]

Why we priotize CHC first then everything into CHD afterwards.

[ocean wyvern]

I assumed max CHC w/o Ceska

[subtle bluff]

Yes you can because you used gear slots to get there.

Just take a loot at both build pics up there

You can see how many more slots are used with CHC or CHD

[subtle bluff]

For reference for you Grupo but you can see the CHC isn't capped now.

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/v2/FvoGHSPy?tab=share

[strong cave]

With how Grupo is Balanced and Ceska, you gain 1% more CHD at the loss of 1 CHC. Depending on your build usually. I did my test using bare basic striker w/ overdogs. Ceska will still do more because that small inkling in difference can still translate to a bigger number. Much less the fact Ceska ensures you're pushing as close to 60 CHC as possible

[quiet wren]

Thank you!! I now understand it a lot better

[tulip gulch]

For lower tier escalation until 5 is the striker chest piece not worth it due to not maintaining stacks and running EQ works in its place ?

[onyx sage]

yeah on lower tiers striker chest is not worth

[tulip gulch]

So just stay with the equalizer for now

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hot kelp]

anyone else having issues getting into game?

[hybrid pelican]

try verifying files and then restarting. I had trouble because of todays update until i did that

[subtle bluff]

They had some issues earlier from what #server-status mentioned

[dusk edge]

should i worry about prototypes as someone who's only at SHD 350+?

[smoky latch]

No

[lone violet]

its good to be back

[solar sable]

no

[soft crane]

Prototype isnt mandatory for anymode but high tier escalation itself.

[subtle bluff]

I've done fine without it. =x

[lone violet]

Was watching a vid on what gear set is good for high escalation apparently it’s measured using btsu gloves

[buoyant perch]

Future is better

[lone violet]

Using Smart Cover and healer hive from what I saw

[dusk edge]

okay. thanks

[subtle bluff]

from who... GC?

[buoyant perch]

Seasonal modifier gives overcharge every 20s. You can do that with FI and gives 25% TWD

[solar sable]

brother, I thought you knew the basics 😭

[lone violet]

No it’s from uh rouge gold?

Idk I ain’t played as the “healer role” I been on refactor since forever

[subtle bluff]

Wurd...

We have the meta for escalation already mapped out. Lower Tiers is w/e.

[opaque dune]

What is the the best tank build rn

[solar sable]

the one that's in the stash

[subtle bluff]

There isn't.

[lone violet]

I’m guessing it’s in the pinned section?

[subtle bluff]

Due to what definition of a tank in games which you can't do here.

[subtle bluff]

Striker Guide and just FI. We're working up a section for escalation due all the questions.

[solar sable]

I'll help with the Healer, there's not very much to do

meth isn't my field for this game

||yet||

[shy willow]

Wut happen

[solar sable]

FLDSMDFR

[hallow arch]

Are pistol builds (like the regulus) still viable/usable or are they just gimmicky builds now?

[tepid mantle]

is this good or should i change smth sadly i dont have the equalizer with good stats

[shy willow]

Farm for one

[civic meteor]

Can I ask a question without getting like clowned on?

[shy willow]

Ask away

[tepid mantle]

only that or would you change smth else

[civic meteor]

Mathematically speaking isn’t heartbreaker better than strikers damage wise?

[shy willow]

Nope

How did you calculate?

[civic meteor]

Without strikers chest tho

[shy willow]

Other than that the build itself looks fine assuming you're at 60 percent chc

[civic meteor]

1.1x100 =110% added damage
0.90x100 =90% added damage

[shy willow]

If we're not including chest striker is still better

[civic meteor]

Oh?

How come just fire rate?

[shy willow]

Heartbreaker only has 50 stacks without the chest

And then obviously striker also gets rate of fire

[tepid mantle]

yeah i got 58 % chc and 110 chd

[civic meteor]

With the chest tho

[shy willow]

Why would you compare one with the chest and one without😭

Both have chest, striker wins
None have chest, striker wins

You also have to keep in mind heartbreaker needs targets to be pulsed which locks you into one specialisation

Striker doesn't have this limitation and can also stack on basically anything

[civic meteor]

Perhaps

[next dawn]

Heartbreakers is striker with extra steps

[west shore]

For 1886 1 shot build what is better having an extra 7.5% WPN or 5% dtoc?

[smoky latch]

Show build

[fossil crag]

They both need stacks to do Dmg what is the extra step? But hahaha I like that analogy

[shy willow]

Dttooc will give you better first shot damage while weapon damage will increase your top end

[next dawn]

heartbreaker needs enemies to be pulsed to build stacks...

[fossil crag]

Yeahhh true!! Ok ok. I see what you saying now. Haha sorry when I think HB build I auto think said build will have the breadbox luncher and the laser pulse haha

Side note call me crazy but HB with the scabber ,what ever it’s called , exotic holster get the talents on the right gun and you will never need to reload your acs12 and your AR will go braaaaaat braaat

[misty crane]

That's not really an issue, just use the laser pointer

[next dawn]

Never said it was an issue... just an extra step...

[fossil crag]

I see both sides. Because HB it self pulses on head shot but some people don’t run the bread box
And yeah it is a extra step/ loss of a mod slot

Then don’t get me started on using the gilla mask lol so much Dmg lost there

[acoustic falcon]

can anyone tell me what this is from? Its giving me a bunch of damage

[misty crane]

For what you get in exchange I'd say it's worth. I run the whole set on blue cores sitting at 2mil armor, paired with memento as well I just have to spam ACS for max stacks and I do great damage

[fossil crag]

Did you turn on the ge

[acoustic falcon]

ah i have thanks lol i didnt even realize it was on

[twin parcel]

got a Strega apparently. That thing any good? Looks nice at least...

[solar sable]

its pretty nice with one build I know

[fossil crag]

It is really good… hanging over the “fire place “ haha

[solar sable]

it falls off pretty badly due to its handling and mag size

[fossil crag]

Jk jk. It’s not bad if you build/use it right. How you ask idk. lol

[solar sable]

for example, with strikers, you deal good dmg but the mag size doesnt help at all

[next dawn]

It's not a bad gun just very slow at building up stacks

But once it gets going it really gets going

[rare isle]

whats a good LMG for secondary or even primary for striker build

[rare isle]

i dont like using SG to build stacks

[next dawn]

Off the top of my head the GR9 and MG5 are great options

[twin parcel]

i was told by multiple people who regularly run T10 Escalations that Frenzy mk48/249 are a must

[fossil crag]

Also 249para

[fossil crag]

I mean it’s not a must but if you wanna do any killing… hahaha or stay on the team for round 2. Yeah it is hahaha.

[outer stone]

every clip I see on T10 escal is Strikers with MK46 Frenzy or Refractor healer lol

[fossil crag]

You can craft them the rep does same Dmg as non reps

[solar sable]

refactor on T5+ sucks

[outer stone]

which do u recommend for healer then?

[solar sable]

FI

[outer stone]

Will check it out then, thx

[solar sable]

one sec Ill share the template

[subtle bluff]

hold on

I got it.. I had to update it again

[solar sable]

this good?

[fossil crag]

I truly hate LMG I tried my hardest to not run one… and well here I am a pro toe mk46 hahaha

[solar sable]

fk...

so alps gloves + The setup for hotswap? @subtle bluff

[twin parcel]

Anyone got a solid AR that can be used with striker's? I want to be able to run around with an auto weapon that is NOT an SMG.

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't have to be Alps.. Monkey, Hana u etc.

[soft crane]

Lexington

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon +790 rpm

[twin parcel]

Already using chameleon, very fun with that one.

[soft crane]

Famas or Police M4 also works.

[subtle bluff]

It's more on the player afterwards.

p416, mg5... etc etc

[amber lark]

is there a site to find the "meta" builds? a friend and i have been doing t5sbut we are way out of the loop since we didnt play for a couple years

[solar sable]

pinned Spreadsheet

[amber lark]

oh nice. thanks

[tulip gulch]

Is it bad that I prefer TS over striker when doing escalations? I’m at around T5s and it just feels like I do more damage. I was able to farm pretty much prototype gear for both sets but TS feels better overall.

[subtle bluff]

Proto stats for TS is pretty much hitting DR vs on striker. Just by numbers normal build wise Striker with Chest is 20% more than TS.

[next dawn]

I love hitting 3.5 mill headshot crit and 2.5 mill body shot crit

[civic meteor]

So apparently armour and shields are worthless at higher tiers?

[heady terrace]

you can tank 1-2 shots before it breaks

[next dawn]

Only thing keeping you alive is one shot protection

[tulip gulch]

I’ll give it another shot. I’m can do the T5s but mostly 3-4s for sake of matchmaking and speed

So the chest on strikers isn’t really needed

[rare isle]

is 55% chc good?

[heady terrace]

i mean the limit is 60% so ye

[twin parcel]

what talent to go for on ARs? unsure since I've been out of the game for so long

[vernal wing]

Measured 99% of the time

[pliant pelican]

is there any fun builds aroun the flatline light macheiguns. or eh?

[livid sorrel]

Not really, there isn't much reliable ways to pulse that doesn't cost too much for them

Technician laser needs technician spec and a long underbarrel rail, pulse skill uses a skill slot

You could try heartbreaker but it's honestly just striker with extra steps

[graceful oriole]

what is a great smg and talent for a hunter fury build, im using a sig mpx with c&p

[livid sorrel]

smg9 and vector, killer for solo measured for groups

[graceful oriole]

i have a dark winter, guessing thats better?

[pliant pelican]

sad.

[livid sorrel]

Not by much, the tac vector 9mm beats it just by a little

[graceful oriole]

isnt the dark winter a tac vector 9mm?

[smoky latch]

Vector SBR .45 ACP

Tac Vector SBR is another archetype but they're very similar

[graceful oriole]

i see, ive heard the ouroboros was a good contender too

[smoky latch]

Highest RoF on a SMG but in terms of damage not really

[dusk edge]

a secondary gun for the Lexington, i'm torn between Stack Broker or Lefty. which one works better? there's also a third option of The Mop too but idk

[smoky latch]

You could also use a SMG. Converted SMG-9 for instance

If you Lex has Measured you can run a high RoF LMG as well

Depends on the activity I might say

[dusk edge]

mine's running Killer. i don't have a Converted SMH-9 sadly. i only have Grown Great, Purist, Slingshot, and The Sleigher

Exotics I have Backfire, Lady Death, Oxpecker, and Chatterbox

[smoky latch]

If you use an ACS-12 archetype you're limited to short range stacking

[dusk edge]

oooh. alright

[exotic talon]

heartbreaker has a bit more flexibility with letting you use blue cores so more survivability and shield skill tiers

its like a chunky sidegrade to striker

[pliant pelican]

i did get a full set of prototype striker with half of echo but looked boring so figured i'd try to find something more fun

i def will try heartbreak

[exotic talon]

try tipping scales too if you like lmgs

[pliant pelican]

bet

[long dove]

whats the striker build for escalation +t5 with proto gear?

[solar sable]

its in the strikers guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=sharing

[long dove]

hollow man + overdogs rest striker?

cuz its DZ only drop as i read so any replacements?

[solar sable]

ceska

[long dove]

yeah my chc is fine but chd is wrong am at 77% chd or something

[solar sable]

optimization is what comes to mind

[long dove]

im overcapped at chc im sure but only because striker dropping only with chc not chd :/

[solar sable]

ditch Salvo, it messes with Frenzy, you already have good RPM sources like Strikers and Gunner

[long dove]

yeah i got ceska for kneepads i swapped now am at 109.6% chd

sorry grupo *

[solar sable]

oh

[obtuse crystal]

youre probably over crit chance cap tbh

that chd seems super low imo

[long dove]

yeah u r right i need to check the lmg attachments cuz i've thrown all chc on it maybe theres chd

[obtuse crystal]

there should be also gear mods too

[long dove]

i got them, its only the proto strikers i got are all with CHC

[obtuse crystal]

yeah i think you might get away with barely under 60 idk tho

[long dove]

now at 119.6% changed the chc attachment to chd

[obtuse crystal]

whats chc?

[hallow arch]

need your opinions with this build I'm planning to experiment with

basically it abuses Hardwired gearset with demolisher fireflies and maybe either stinger/artificer hive

[sudden valve]

Just a quick question you know the stats on proto type gear can they be improved like how you can with regular gear and also switch out attributes

[long dove]

now 130% chd which is better i guess

[obtuse crystal]

you cannot recalibrate or optimize proto gear

[sudden valve]

So just need to get really lucky

[obtuse crystal]

yeah basically

[hallow arch]

as for guns Capacitor (obviously) and technician specialization

[rocky rain]

What are the best Augments on a Striker set for 1) St. Elmo or 2) Lexington? (Plz quote me)

[flint arch]

echo, no difference for the two

[shy willow]

Some swear by paradox but imo it ruins my rhythm completely

[misty walrus]

which talent should i use for 2ndary wpn?
i run leg and escal

[rocky rain]

I thought Amalgam for the Lex. Thanks.

[flint arch]

amalgam is good QoL but echo is the best for burst damage

[rocky rain]

Thanks. Have Echo on a Shotgun build with HF/Memento/Named Badger chest for 1-shot solo (pummel on gun)

[sudden valve]

Thank you

[obsidian lava]

Which talent would be best for Lexington?

[soft crane]

Killer for solo, Measured for group play.

[cloud sparrow]

Looking for a solo backfire build, any advice?

[solar sable]

@cloud sparrow ☝️

[sudden valve]

Sorry sound like a right bot but returned when all this proto stuff came out if I got bis green gear and so on I can turn them into prototypes if that’s correct is there a video or anything on the process

[buoyant perch]

If you upgrade items to expertise 30, you can upgrade them to prototype

[weak quail]

Just be warned you cant change anything on them once you proto them except the augment that is a proto thing

[sudden valve]

Cheers guys thank you all and again abit stupid but mods Is there a way to farm like maxed out ones or are they just lucky drops or can they be optimised also

[subtle bluff]

And it just being proto doesn't mean it's better than a correct build.

[weak quail]

If you mean gear mods i got a maxed 6% chc from a heroic black tusk retal yesterday with 3 directives but that’s all just rng im pretty sure

[subtle bluff]

Unless you're in escalation or incursion the chest isn't doing you any favors.
IA kneels is kind of not good here.

[sudden valve]

Thank you

[misty walrus]

The kneel is cloak, which will give me 3 walking decoys

[stone python]

Man people are soo lucky. Unlike me Rng in this game really despise me.

[subtle bluff]

UH?

[strong cave]

You'll still generate threat no matter what even with the knees

The only way to really dump your threat level is to spam decoys, use agitator but never actually use it, and have a tank user on your team getting up in their faces. Don't recommend that for escalation tho

[subtle bluff]

Even then..

[livid sorrel]

threat system gotta be the most esoteric mechanic in this game

[subtle bluff]

How threat and agro isn't explained anywhere in this game.

[strong cave]

Exactly. It's too much work to mitigate threat. May as well go big or go home

[subtle bluff]

I understand alright.. To put into words... No thanks

[strong cave]

Pretty sure devs did say a few list of factors will generate it. Taking IA 2 pieces is one for sure way. Getting up close is another. Shooting is another and how quickly you're dropping targets is another. Most times the enemies target whoever is the most threat

[subtle bluff]

then how the AI is on heroic vs master/leggo

There's more to it.

[strong cave]

That's as far as we actually know. We don't have numbers

Like we don't have "generate x % of threat while shooting" Info

[livid sorrel]

ive seen a lot of discussion here on tanks generating aggro but not a lot about reducing aggro

[subtle bluff]

And threat isn't global....

[misty walrus]

Enemies will pick on the 1 causing the most dmg or just randomly?

[misty walrus]

I got another setup with 125% threat reduce

[subtle bluff]

Threat is generated by dmg done.

[strong cave]

It kinda depends. Whoever started doing damage first to the target is usually targeted. But there are times others can overtake that aggro

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't work like that.

[clever bane]

Anything I should change about my build

[strong cave]

Even I can personally confirm it doesn't work that way. I've tested threat mitigation builds. There's not enough info to play with to bother trying to mitigate it

[subtle bluff]

Are you just getting very close to everyone to shoot them in the head to pulse?

[livid sorrel]

There's lexi and tech spec so im assuming that

[clever bane]

I use the tech lazer pointer to do that so I don't gotta

[subtle bluff]

And I wanna try a Proto Tech Tank ND build. To see if I can actually pull agro.

[subtle bluff]

Not with BF...

[strong cave]

Yeah he's likely trying to use Lex for the stacks and backfire for the extra damage

[clever bane]

No the lex

[subtle bluff]

Why is BF there then tbh..

[livid sorrel]

But you lose backfire stacks when you switch weapons

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker isn't bad but it's essentially a worse striker

[livid sorrel]

Survivability for newer players on lower diffs is probably the thing it has going for it

[clever bane]

Im just testing stuff but if it won't work then I'm just gonna swap it so something else

[subtle bluff]

Use ACS12 get stacks then works off of that.

No need for HB BP.

Get more DMG.

[livid sorrel]

Damage is king, survivability is just training wheels

[subtle bluff]

That!
It help me learn how to peak

[strong cave]

I personally stopped recommending heartbreaker to new players. I tell them run 1 or 2 armor cores on striker and it usually is enough to help them

[clever bane]

What build should I use(I already have tipping scales build) but if wanna try other stuff besides these 2 I don't like striker idky

[livid sorrel]

Negotiator

[clever bane]

What's that do

[strong cave]

Ongoing Directive

[subtle bluff]

Idk why striker comment is there...

You should have a set but doesn't mean you have to use it everywhere.

[livid sorrel]

mark 3 guys, shoot one guy to hit the other 2

[clever bane]

I see

[strong cave]

Mainly because striker doesn't require a specific mechanic in order to get stacks meanwhile heartbreaker does. Not saying striker is a must and needed for everything, but it's definitely a much easier set to use compared to heartbreaker that sorta locks you down into what you can pick

I personally hate how the answer to nearly everything now is "wear striker"

[subtle bluff]

I just dislike Players dismissing striker just because it's the meta or in their case what everyone plays.

I don't disagree.

I only use striker where I need to.

Escalation, Incursion, master and leggo where I need to carry... 😐

[strong cave]

I'm ngl I stopped playing a few weeks ago but I can say that I've barely used striker in the time I was playing. I was having more fun making off-meta stuff for my guide I'm writing

[subtle bluff]

I mean that's why both of the first guides I did were OD and Pesti

[strong cave]

Actually managed to stumble across a fun Cavalier Healer. Works perfectly, full hazpro, and when there's EMP I at least keep the team alive

[subtle bluff]

I've pushed OD since TU22.

[strong cave]

OD I jumped on fairly quickly but for DZ purposes. It took me a while to warm up to Nego

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. Support builds have a very broad amount of builds you can do.

Like I have a build that was easier for group to clear T10 vs when I was on FI.

[strong cave]

Very broad. But how viable they'll be is another question. This one I ended up discovering by peeking into the stats and realizing cavi gives repair skills

[subtle bluff]

But it requires a bunch of gameplay and knowledge...

[strong cave]

Group skill also is dependent too so

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. I've done it worse groups.

[strong cave]

You and your 200 thousand incursion clears lol

[subtle bluff]

They were QQ on me not having a resto hive even tho I healing them..

Sir that's another chow.

[strong cave]

Can't fool me 👀

[strong cave]

Why would a healer have reviver lol unless you were on a different build

[normal shadow]

Restoration, not reviver.

[iron flame]

I copied this replicated this build off someone else posted, Should I change anything or get more crit rate?

[soft crane]

I'd say thats enough CHC

[iron flame]

My holster (other then mods) Is crit rate the rest is crit dmg

[soft crane]

ah yea dont use Turmoil

[livid sorrel]

More CHD

[soft crane]

Heartbreaker deal less damage than Striker already, dont want it to deal even less

[livid sorrel]

It's not turmoil, doesn't have the talent icon

[soft crane]

huh, oh...

[iron flame]

Knee pads aren't its just ceska

[soft crane]

damn I got bamboozled

[iron flame]

Okay how would I do more of that?

[subtle bluff]

Get Killer on if you're using solo. It really make up a lot DPS

Also ACS12 with either Brazen (more DPS) or Back and Forth (Quicker stacking)

[iron flame]

Yeah ACS12 is my next goal

To get more CHD do I just swap the CHD attribute to CHC and a CHD mod?

[subtle bluff]

Follow this.

To note you should be able to do something like this amount.
NOTE: CHD in here is including Killer active.

[iron flame]

Okay thankyou

I have a 30 lexington with killer already for striker build, Does flatline not matter that much? or just a situational thing for HeartBreaker

[buoyant perch]

Situational for heartbreaker

[livid sorrel]

killer does run into the issue of falling off in groups and flatline is pretty much free damage with the tech laser

[bleak kernel]

Any build that helps you avoid delta errors?

[high dagger]

too OP, so probably not

[woven temple]

You need the prototype exotic tears of obliteration chest piece.

[strong cave]

Don't play. Any other game on the market rn would crash less than this one

[iron flame]

I just realized that u have 3 red cores, I guess that's just personal preference

[subtle bluff]

Not really. Heroic you don't need that much.

[ocean wyvern]

I miss when heartbreaker was amp damage

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker DPS doesn't start being effective up front until you remove half of the armor cores it'll drop with

[subtle bluff]

It is amp dmg.....

[subtle bluff]

The build in action that I showed above.

[strong cave]

Heartbreaker and striker are both weapon damage amps, 99% sure

Their talent is misleading

[bleak kernel]

Why are you so pressed. Don't respond if it hurts you so much.

[subtle bluff]

How is this question?

[strong cave]

I'm not pressed 😭 I'm just saying like if you don't wanna be annoyed at how often there's crashes just don't play. Hard to be annoyed at a delta if you don't experience deltas

[bleak kernel]

Sarcasm

[strong cave]

Bro is looking for internet beef for no reason. Too many e shooters nowadays and age

[bleak kernel]

Then why did you write there are more games that crash more.

[subtle bluff]

We're here to help players with builds.

[strong cave]

I wrote there's games that crash less

[subtle bluff]

Take that else where.

[strong cave]

Reading is hard chow. We are seeing a prime example of it

[bleak kernel]

Make me

[strong cave]

look out guys we got Jaquan Mr E-Thug out here

[rare isle]

what builds are run on escalation?

im currently using lmg striker

[strong cave]

Striker proto with LMGs w/ frenzy

[livid sorrel]

Striker and FI healer are the most common from what I see

[strong cave]

Typically in combination with ODogs or Hollowman

[subtle bluff]

Up to T4 w/e works. +T5 above.

Striker Guide bottom section has it all.

[iron flame]

oof, I usually get the sub cores to either near perfect or max rolled as the drop and replace the core attribute, Didnt with Heart Breaker cause I thought more armour would be better so I rolled every pice with max armour and replaced the other core's with max CHC or CHD

[strong cave]

Did it get updated for escalation? I don't really check the spreadsheet at all since I've got 99% of it memorized and don't need help w/ builds

[subtle bluff]

Yeah we updated it. We have more coming out.

[strong cave]

You're farming efficiently I'd say. But yeah you kinda put yourself in a bind there. Easily fixable

[rare isle]

what should i change for esc

[subtle bluff]

Someone made a +T5 guide.

[strong cave]

I'm surprised you guys even still have the will to play. I wanna play but everyone checked out

[subtle bluff]

It's in the guide.

[subtle bluff]

I still am pressed hard to want to get on. I've only done like 2 incursion this past week... If that says anything...

[strong cave]

Solo there's nothing for me to do and random matchmaking isn't fun anymore. It's constant teaching. I just wanna play

[bleak kernel]

Did anyone respond yet?

[strong cave]

Did I hear the wind or something?

Meh, must've been a forgotten memory we've all moved on from

[strong cave]

Says quite a lot. I nuked my entire clan discord. Nobody plays

Was heartbreaking to do because it was just gaining traction

[subtle bluff]

I'm still playing just hard to keep me on but I am keeping and will still play. I'm waiting for the next incursion too.

[bleak kernel]

Memory issues, okay, chow....

[strong cave]

For me I log in, check the maps, see if anything calls out to me. If nothing does, I just log off

The wind really is strong in here

Must be the ghost of a spirit who can't be put to rest

They must be really chained to something and just can't let go. I feel bad if that's the case

[summer totem]

Fellas would you rather

8% skill damage with perfect Kinetic momentum

Or 10% skill damage with normal Kinetic momentum

[rare isle]

does mk46 and m249 have same stat? the guide mostly recommend mk46

[subtle bluff]

More context?

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much the same.

[summer totem]

Trying to do a refractor build and yes excluding the backpack and chest piece for maximum damage

Named hana U for backpack of course

Debating whether i should use named wyvern chest or flak jacket with KM

[urban latch]

Group or solo?

[summer totem]

Solo

[buoyant perch]

Escal has brought a lot of oldbies back in my server

[iron flame]

Yeah I know its easily fixable just this time around I did the opposite lol, going for a ACS12 with back and forth first, Rock'n'Roll and Lefty just dont cut it out for me

[subtle bluff]

This is my opinion to Refactor.

[subtle bluff]

In that clip I'm sure I'm using Lefty.

[summer totem]

I'll save that for future reference but i wanna decide with what i have rn, the flak jacket or wyvern named

[subtle bluff]

P. Kin is better.

[strong cave]

For me I just can't be assed with it. It's the same missions but for a tiny chance of drops. Same with targeted loot. I just don't wanna spend my time playing pixel peek + hold trigger

[iron flame]

But wouldn't a back and forth ASC12 be better for stack building/striker, Optimally a Stack Broker whenever it returns

I mainly want it for striker's

[subtle bluff]

I mean I did like 3 or 4 runs tonight and got 5 pcs of strikers. It's some fun to do. It's easier than leggo because there Heroic AI.

[subtle bluff]

Striker doesn't need ACS stacking unless it's for Chest.
HB imo needs to stack.

[upper yew]

do you guys have any recommendations for a secondary ? I currently use an lmg that gives me fire rate&weapon dmg when I switch from it to pestilence

[rare isle]

what is a good alt for hollow man mask for LMG striker

[upper yew]

the lmg in the screenshot is not the one im using its an old screenshot but my build is identical to this rn

[subtle bluff]

doesn't matter. AR or SMG that helps you finished off targets.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[upper yew]

is a second lmg be good since its also gonna get 30% dmg bonus from 3pc lengmo

thanks to gunner I do not suffer from reserve ammo

[subtle bluff]

I said what I said for reasons.

You can and I have run out of ammo.

[buoyant perch]

Tier 10 token alone is 5 prototypes. Plus drop rate has been increased a while back. We have good team so enemies die very quick anyway.

[strong cave]

I'd love to run some shit with you guys but your lives are constantly busy and my schedule conflicts 99% of the damn time lol

[strong cave]

I'm guessing you guys just all focus dps targets?

[buoyant perch]

3 striker 1 future

[strong cave]

Sounds 100% right. I wouldn't have guessed any less

[heady terrace]

I'm curious why some people I've noticed use salvo and hollow man instead of equaliser and overdogs for their 4pc striker builds

[bleak kernel]

Depends on what you prefer.

[ocean wyvern]

That's usually for higher tier escalations where you're using the striker chest to get the 200 stacks

[subtle bluff]

Salvo isn't worth when using Frenzy you just hit DR over other choices.

Hallowman when Proto is 21 DTH which adds up A lot in heroic scaling.

At +T5 scaling the ads to become bullet sponges so when using Frenzy stacking just happens easily.

[heady terrace]

I see (doesn't get it fully)

[subtle bluff]

which part..

[heady terrace]

So it's really personal preference?

[subtle bluff]

Not really. That's the Meta for +T5.

[heady terrace]

I see, so for higher escals I switch my build to use hollow man and salvo instead? Gotcha

[urban latch]

After T5+ you definitely want strikers chest. You generally don't want more rof on top of the strikers buff with the mk46 because then you finish your reload before you can reproc frenzy again

[subtle bluff]

Hollow + Overdogs...

More RoF is yes more burst but vs other choices is less Mag DMG and when targets have that much HP burst doesnt help that much.

[bleak kernel]

I would suggest you test it out yourself and see if it suits you. I use a coyote's mask in my striker build when I am in a party. Only escalation missions would require you have more min maxed gear setup.

[strong cave]

Plus ditching 30 amp for more rof is a very very questionable choice

Considering that RPM will only boost you maybe 100 RPM. Which is negligible difference. But that 30 amp will hit like a brick

[heady terrace]

Testing things out myself is a pain when I'm just SHD 330 and don't know it's true strengths + not maxed out stats

[subtle bluff]

To be simple when things have 100 mill HP.... To a degree Burst DPS only gives so much is your mag dmg is less.

[subtle bluff]

You shouldn't be worried about doing escalation then learn the basic and gameplay first then.

Or at last high Tier escalation.

[strong cave]

I can personally confirm at near SHD 20k, having min maxed stats does help. But depends on how min maxed. If you have say a fully maxed build with maybe 2 sub attributes not full, it'll make very little difference. While for you, the build will only get stronger as you progress. If you get the mechanics down now, the reward for when you progress will be a damn good build that hits damn hard

Basically what I'm saying is, don't worry too too much about a builds stats being perfect (perfectly rolled, all stats are what you want, etc). You'll eventually make them max

[heady terrace]

Escalation seems fun and rewards me with some fat stacks of xp

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it's suppose to be END game content unless you want to heavy for other players.

People having just proto gear doesn't mean it's good vs a proper build.

[heady terrace]

I got some pretty good proto striker rolls today, all reds at least, so I'm a small step ahead of some of my mates

Plus they're lvl 30 proficiency so thats already better than the lvl 7 I got kekw

[subtle bluff]

If it's just red and doesn't have the mix of CHC/CHD like you have won't make it good.

How many groups I've carried without having all proto is rather sad..

[heady terrace]

It's a WIP for now, this was my first day going all in on escalation

[subtle bluff]

The 30 exp isn't make it better again.

We're rather powerful without proto gear.

[heady terrace]

But we're even more so with

[subtle bluff]

If you have all echo and correctly stats is only 20% overall

[heady terrace]

It's near negligible, but getting 4 pieces with echo does seem appealing to me

[heady terrace]

DAS 20% MORE DAMAGE?! HELL YEAH!!!

[subtle bluff]

......

[buoyant perch]

21% TO BE EXACT

[subtle bluff]

Proto slop is so real.

[strong cave]

That 1% makes that big of a difference 🤞

[heady terrace]

That 1k more damage is a game changer, trust me guys

[keen plank]

Ok so the new lmg with TS and focus chestpiece, yay or nay? Is focus even good nowadays, lol

[subtle bluff]

TS chest isn't great. Use equalizer chest instead.

Focus can be good still but for the effort of using a 8x everywhere is a pita.

[keen plank]

Thanks Mr Chow 👍

[bleak kernel]

In the end, it's all about the player's preference.

[ocean wyvern]

Has it been long enough for any opinions to be formed on the new M60 with TS?

[dawn perch]

Has anyone made a core strength work in legendary or escalation? Currently, able to make it with yellow core strength.

[soft crane]

Core Strength definitely falls off in Legend or even Escalation.

[heady terrace]

my player preference is maximum dps

[heady terrace]

ive practically copied that

[lament reef]

doing anything with more armor is kind of throwing in escalation, since they have % armor steal

[soft crane]

Just use either Striker or Tipping in escalation. Dont be surprised if people starts kicking you for using something else other than Striker, Tipping, Refactor, or Future.

[subtle bluff]

Is there any info on it?

[ocean wyvern]

Its an M60 with perfect strained iirc

[subtle bluff]

Gross.. Sad for TS...

[ocean wyvern]

Why's that?

[subtle bluff]

DR on too much CHD

[ocean wyvern]

what's DR?

[lament reef]

TS already give crit damage out the wazoo

a little more from strained is nothing compared to any other perk

[subtle bluff]

TS w/BP is 350% CHD

dismission returns. (I can't spell)

Dissmissioning idk.. how to spell it

[ocean wyvern]

ohhh diminishing returns, got it

[soft crane]

Diminishing Returns sir

[subtle bluff]

ty, sorry it's really hard one for me.

[dawn perch]

I was more like seeing if people were able to have fun with the builds. Core strength have some interesting niche applications.

[ocean wyvern]

no worries, I just saw the abbreviation multiple times and couldn't figure it out

[subtle bluff]

Whatever reason someone has "interesting applications" there already a build that does that idea better.

[soft crane]

To be fair, escalation is the only gamemode where you need to actually use good meta builds. Otherwise good luck not being a burden for your team.

You can use whatever anywhere and still carry your own weight but not in Escalation, especially higher tiers.

[subtle bluff]

GOD I had 2 CS builds in Leggo Tidal... They thought they were doing so good when the other 2 of us were just carrying them. Then at the last section they became really heavy.

[soft crane]

Oh yeah that last part sucks.

[ocean wyvern]

I still have PTSD from leggo tidal

[soft crane]

At the same time I do agree there are too many people who thinks they're helping the team, while actually they're not.

[subtle bluff]

CS and Proto slop is a thing this TU...

[soft crane]

A lot of FOMO this season yeah.

[ocean wyvern]

I like the idea of CS, but the foundation of the game hinders hybrid building so much

[subtle bluff]

It's more lawl that Proto gear out right Destroys some CS ideas.

[smoky latch]

🧠

[dawn perch]

Its also i think a current problem with the mode as only handful of builds could really succeed in that mode.

[soft crane]

The gamemode is meant to be hard sir.

[iron flame]

What attatchments recommend on ACS12?

[subtle bluff]

Not even a handful. We called this issue with Escalation and Proto gear back in PTS why one of the best for correct info left the game.

[subtle bluff]

Accurate mods.

[ocean wyvern]

I get the mode is meant to be hard, but it would be nice to have a little bit more variety

[soft crane]

I suppose they can tweak Escalation a bit more.

[ocean wyvern]

I'd love to see rifles get some love and give more options

[soft crane]

I do feel Escalation mode feels lazy when the devs are making it. Just put modifiers and call it a day.

[lament reef]

i think it’s fine to have clear winners and best sets, and scenarios like strikers chest where it’s normally not worth using but is now

but man is it boring

[dawn perch]

When you just see only see strikers on every build. It get kind stale.

[ocean wyvern]

Artificial difficulty

[livid sorrel]

Rifles are just gimped in general

[dawn perch]

I think my group rarely would like go over tier 5 anyways as it we find it just not worth running. Mostly due to just the high cost for meh rewards and maybe a longer clear time and somw stress. The fact that status are shut out of the mode is stupid.

[bleak kernel]

I dunno why rifle has to have low reserves of ammo.

[smoky latch]

The item quality is def worth it

[subtle bluff]

It's a dumb mode. To just scale heroic so high and yes a lot other things more hence what I've said already.
Trust there are ways to supprot different but DPS/DMG Check you're kind of stuck.

[livid sorrel]

Like every weapon type has at least one gearset for them, Rifles get what, BP and Aces? Barely see anyone recommend those here
Of course I don't play rifles much so

[spiral elm]

@hexed steppe that high dmg sniper build u showed me the other day is ur chest and knee pads named?

[subtle bluff]

Foxes

[ocean wyvern]

Probably Chainkiller and Fox's Prayer

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, chainkiller chest, fox's knee

[calm summit]

Guys how do i level up an augument for proto i mean i have all the materials and is have this

[ocean wyvern]

4pc Hotshot build I'm guessing?

[lament reef]

the 4 piece bonus honestly kind of sucks

[hexed steppe]

Nah, overdogs, gift, 2x breaking

Its rifle/mmr

[subtle bluff]

The HH build that Local is show is a more of universal rifle and MMR's buid.

[subtle bluff]

I don't think it sucks just hard to keep up.

[spiral elm]

Idk hh never felt hard to keep up im just coming from games like warframe so bigger number makes my monkee brain feel better

[patent fossil]

Have you got the xp bar to 100%? Maybe get a bit more xp just to be sure.

[subtle bluff]

Context is 4pcs Hotshot.

[ocean wyvern]

If you're keeping HH up, wouldn't the hotshot bonus be just as easy?

[upper yew]

does the proficency bonus pestilence gets increase its tick damage ?

[ocean wyvern]

Yes

[upper yew]

also is there an efficent way to increase my tinkering expertise ? I have been at level 3 for a while now

[lament reef]

Sure, but i mean the actual 4pc bonus isn’t that great compared to something like overdogs

20% amp, 10% armor, and magazine refill headshot conditional vs 30% amp target conditional

[calm summit]

Oh i understand now i need to gather experience by doing open world activities etc?

[lament reef]

augments only level from kills, i believe

[smoky latch]

Any SHD XP

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot is if you miss it reset stacks.
HH if you miss does nothing.

[buoyant perch]

exact same as XP for SHD levels

[willow ocean]

XP for SHD levels

[lone violet]

Measured with btsu gloves look busted?

[gentle lichen]

Whuh

[rich cosmos]

Care to elaborate

[vernal wing]

Is there an exotic acs-12?

[lone violet]

Some video about which healer set is good in high escalation

[dawn perch]

Is the only purpose of capacitor to just amp your skills? As the damage and accuracy on it is very lackluster (even on a full skill build).

[gentle lichen]

It can be good on hybrids

But if your build is purely skill damage then yes it is a buffer

[dawn perch]

Measured assembly is kind of whatever, one can use it. I would mainly use it for negating those really annoying skills. Can work for healer. You can't really control the overcharge on it I think

[dawn perch]

okay. Although even on my hybird build it is kind of does about the same as my Lexington and worse than sheriff on Core Strength full yellows and red. In theory this gun should do really well though. Its accuracy and stability kind of make it less desirable though.

[shy willow]

Capacitor is one of the most busted guns in the game wym

[dawn perch]

as buffer? yeah it has some good buffing for skill builds. As an actual weapon to kill things with, i am hitting for only 200k at best with the bullets on skill build and maybe 400k on this hybrid build. still worst than my other guns. At longer range this thing is terrible.

[urban latch]

Sounds like clickbait slop

[vernal wing]

Low mag size and low fire rate

It’s a supplement for skill damage builds, not a main damage source in PvE

[shy willow]

It has great mods and innate dta along with being buffed by yellow cores the thing is BIS for a country mile on any skill build

[vernal wing]

Yeah, you either run Capacitor at like 250k per bullet or something more useful with status effects/debuffs on skill builds.

[patent fossil]

And a good buff to your skill damage

[dawn perch]

if you build stacks and actually hit stuff with the weapon of course though.

[vernal wing]

I mean no sense in standing still doing nothing. Capacitor gives you something to do on a Drone/Turret

[patent fossil]

So, if you don't use the weapon, it's not very useful? Can't argue with that!

[dawn perch]

true. Also, is there no way to see how stack you have. I swore you can see how many stacks you have with it.

[vernal wing]

It was broken, it’s on the physical weapon when you aim

[halcyon sentinel]

something worth keeping?

[patent fossil]

Unlikely, 5.11 is generally only used in memes as it's such a bad brand

[halcyon sentinel]

aight, i'll donate then

[upper rover]

What's investor used for?

[shy willow]

Uhhh basically anything depending on your rolls

[vernal wing]

PvP 😂

[vocal robin]

still a work in progress. working towards the build in the second picture but i got these amazing turmoil kneepads. what perk should i put on them to go with this build?? thanks in advance!!

[soft crane]

You're gonna lose a lot of damage with Turmoil.

[vocal robin]

really?? they have the same perks i need for the UA kneepads on the build. Should i just keep grinding for UA kneepads instead?

[hybrid pelican]

Read the talent of Turmoil you will see

[soft crane]

I dont mean you get less damage, but rather less damage for one target.

Since you'll be practically shooting 2 people at once.

[vocal robin]

yea but cant i swap the talent? or am i being dumb lol

[soft crane]

No sir, its a unique named item.

[vocal robin]

ohhhh. that sucks lol. i didnt know that, thanks!

[soft crane]

Anyway, Turmoil mostly used in pure DPS builds in which you can deal a lot of damage in the first place.

[vocal robin]

yea i just saw the attributes on it and thought it would go crazy if i could swap the talent lol

[hybrid pelican]

That would be broken haha

[vocal robin]

so the build says to use UA kneepads. is that legit or can i use any normal pads?

[soft crane]

At that point might as well make it an exotic.

[vocal robin]

also i should have probably included this is for PvP but you prolly already guessed that

[soft crane]

From the looks of it you can use whatever unit alloy for either mask, gloves, or kneepads. Then the other two are core strengths.

The holster is a named item it seems.

[hybrid pelican]

UA is meta in that build because you get ROF and AR dmg for your capacitor. You can swap that piece to whatever you want the build to play like.. but start with UA yeah

[vocal robin]

awesome, thanks guys!! i appreciate the advice a ton 🙏

[halcyon sentinel]

some unicorn?

[hazy steeple]

Throw a red core on it, and you can make part of that one LMG build everyone is trying to make but no one really likes using.

[shy willow]

It's excellent for pesti, very popular for a reason

Though in groups you're better off with CoCo

[tulip gulch]

For DPS after T5+ escalation I should be running striker with the chest over TS ?

[urban latch]

Yes

[tulip gulch]

TY!

[vernal wing]

I would scrap

[strong cave]

why tho

3 Lengmo is probably the easiest build to use for pestilence enjoyers. problem is that its a pain in the ass to farm for

coco falls off outside of groups bc well, stack efficiency

[vernal wing]

In my opinion Pestilence is no longer worth more than an exotic component. Not worth a new players time if they care about end game or escalation.

[strong cave]

then by that definition, nothing else is worth using besides striker + hollowman + overdogs w/ Lexington for endgame/escalation. if theyre asking about a piece like that theyre definitely nowhere near true endgame lmfao

theyre likely still leveling, still piecing together builds they are branching out, and likely still learning builds

[vernal wing]

If they want build advice for a random weapon or talent or set they are welcome to ask.
That’s not a great piece even for Lengmo.

[strong cave]

what do you suggest is better then lmfao lets see it

[vernal wing]

Do you run Adrenaline Rush on your Pestilence build? 😂

[livid sorrel]

keep it even if youre not gonna use it

[strong cave]

i dont. do you? 🥱

not sure what youre trying to prove here but saying to trash that holster is a pretty bad idea. best pestilence setup uses sacrifice instead of ceska chest. just saying.

[strong cave]

anyways, keep that holster. theyre hard to find when you cant craft them in bulk

[vernal wing]

I scrapped all of my pestilence builds because they weren’t useful to keep

[halcyon sentinel]

okay move it to stash

[strong cave]

yeah roll it to red and keep it stashed. mark it as favorite

[strong cave]

good for you. want a gold star?

wouldnt want it to give you an adrenaline rush

[strong cave]

ahem ☝️ ask and you shall receive

[upper rover]

does frenzy have a cap and is it only good if weapon has 200 ammo?

[quasi mason]

3 mil

[strong cave]

frenzy scales off of mag size. so the cap really is about as high as you can get that mag size without sacrificing other damage sources on the table

[upper rover]

yeah but is it worth it with 100 mag

or only 200+s

[strong cave]

WITH THE GLOBAL EVENT ACTIVE

lets not clickbait

tipping is good but not that good even at 30 expertise

[cerulean smelt]

They do have an overdrive event don't they?

[strong cave]

yes. they do. basically free damage for sitting still. what they did not that long ago during the 1 month off period we had

which was barely a month ago?

[cerulean smelt]

Something like that, least any kind of weapon overdrive

[strong cave]

i got my proto cores today and spent them all on rerolling my 4 lonely proto weapons. now the proto augments arent garbage and usable. still no echo

enjoy your day build chat im out

[lament reef]

is the AUG just total augshit?
i have one optimized and maxed out with DTTOOC and it still just feels bad no matter the perk i use

is the range killing it

[quasi mason]

To each their own

[dawn perch]

I wonder what have to do to make blue core build more viable for regular play in escalation and leggies ? Hmmmm....

As in what ubisoft needs to do

We can't really do much at the moment

[hybrid pelican]

Rework the aggro and for escalation they would have to remove the modifier that enemy heals based on armor

[dawn perch]

We get our first taunt skill lmao. Although doesn't enemies fire onto you if you are using an mg? Like mg is loudest followed by mmr, shotgun, ar, rifle, smg, and the pistols?

[hybrid pelican]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong - but from my understanding and gameplay, aggro is determined by a mixture of proximity and damage output. With damage output weighing the most. For example in escalation if you are doing alot more damage than your teammates - you get targeted and shot at much more even if other teammates are closer etc

[lament reef]

first i’m hearing of volume based aggro

[lament reef]

yes, it’s mostly damage based

[hybrid pelican]

Aggro would have to be reworked so that either some exotic/mehcanic could keep them fully targeted onto the "tank" even when red dps are shooting them

[livid sorrel]

Give shields the aggro back, increased threat per blue core

[dawn perch]

I thoughr read somewhere where it is based on the type of weapon that draws aggro as well but no idea

[dawn perch]

That literally sounds like antithesis of what the tank needs be. In order for you pull aggro you have do more damage your dps. Which just makes you the dps.

[urban latch]

That's exactly why tanks are largely pointless in this game

[dawn perch]

So why we have blue cores again?

[soft crane]

Funny thing is, Tank is viable in almost any gamemode in Resurgence because theres a skill that pulls aggro.

Quite the opposite to what we have here.

[livid sorrel]

The problem really is the lack of ways to pull aggro. Mosquito, sure, but DPS teammates will get that aggro straight back

[broken edge]

and in hte first game while some weapon mods affected that, it was mostly the shield that was constantly pulling and generating aggro

[dawn perch]

I think better way is to use like t6 decoy on core strength or just hard wired. Decent AR with super threat brand set. Some heals to keep yourswlf topped off.

Some theorycrafting here hmmmm

[livid sorrel]

We already focus on chungas and shield guys, why not make the enemies do it too

How were tanks in div1 anyway? from what i hear they dealt good damage while still having survivability

[hybrid pelican]

It could be like if you are using the big shield + have over 1.5 mil armor you draw aggro. Would prevent aggro stun locking by 4 dps spamming shields

[dawn perch]

Okay i got cook this hmmm. The ai love the target the turret and drone right?

[dawn perch]

Will the ai get super aggro to drone more than dps though? As i notice it shoot that even on striker

[hexed steppe]

best aggro tank in the game?

[dawn perch]

Could you even kill with mantis?

[hexed steppe]

well, kinda

doesnt matter tho, the decoy can stay up forever

[vestal pasture]

i really tired of deciding and confirming what is the most top dps build for high tiers escal
of course all my builds are full red with 58-60 chc and +150 chd
i tried most of meta builds for striker and tipping scales
nothing can beat my tipping scales (overdogs+obliterate) in shooting range
not even striker (with overdogs +obliterate)

the thing is everyone in the game saying striker is stronger than tipping scales
but my shooting range numbers saying the opposite
tipping scals(ts) hitting for nearly 1.8 mil body and striker hits for 1.35 mil body

**another thing that is annoying me:
in shooting range nothing can beat overdogs but in missions i really really HATE overdogs
because i have to shoot enemies in order to get full advantage of overdogs which in 90% of time is not what is happening
i tried full red investor with red core + contractors gloves
i tried investr+obliterate

so i am very tired of thinking that is why i came here,,i need to know :
1-what is this hype for striker if he can not beat ts in numbers ?
2-what else shall i use instead of investor for top dps build

thanks and sorry for wall of text

[urban latch]

If div1 was actively played for as long as div2 has, people would also have realized the answer to everything in div1 is striker. It's even stronger in div1 than it is in div2

[dawn perch]

Hmm may i could run with core strength as it also has good duration health i gor compare numbers

[hexed steppe]

the artificer can keep decoy alive for a long time regardless of duration

forever if you are close enough to leave arti on your back

it is a 1 trick pony tho, well 2... but thats all it really does

[livid sorrel]

true, i meant more like if tanks in div1 were deadweight that shot nerf darts or not

[magic pilot]

1. Use a dps calculator for accurate
   Comparison
2. Contractors or hollowman with a ceska piece

[urban latch]

In mid tier escalation and up you want striker chest over obliterate. That's where striker becomes simply stronger than TS. But even with obliterate strikers is generally still more effective and just easier to run and maintain stacks.

With overdogs just play without thinking about it and you'll come out better than if you hadn't used them. It's really not worth over thinking it

And if your using the range calc, it's useless, it'll only midlead you

[vestal pasture]

link to that calc plz ?

[livid sorrel]

If you're shooting the right enemy tier 50% of the time that's still like 15% amp

[urban latch]

There's one pinned in this channel

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wN0O89bI0mxnd1VEk3eN454ogXCkiu5Ykxh2_vxfd1I/edit?usp=drivesdk

[vestal pasture]

so what to use then lol ?

[urban latch]

Use the numbers from the game to actually calculate the dps your doing and compare that. Not the in game range calc because it's horriblly inaccurate

[magic pilot]

Overdogs is still best option. With a frenzy lmg you want ceska as last piece

[dawn perch]

Forever might not be need as much as we do need move the decoy from time to time. I might use drone and may something with as much skill haste as possible?

[vestal pasture]

that is my typical build for ts or striker and ts still beats striker in number(yes i know striker beats ts in maintaing stacks)

[hybrid pelican]

I've never used it because its dogwater but can't you keep decoy up 100% with rigger without needing mantis?

[hexed steppe]

striker also has a rof buff, no?

[vestal pasture]

ts has mag size+lmg dmg

[hybrid pelican]

With striker chest piece striker actually does more dmg than tipping

[dawn perch]

What you rip off hate off a t6 decoy often?

[vestal pasture]

not in shooting range,,i have tried it already

[hexed steppe]

sure could

[hybrid pelican]

Use actual dmg calc

[vestal pasture]

the link you gave me is view only still figuring how to use it

[urban latch]

What exactly are you seeing that does more?

[urban latch]

Save a local copy and you can edit it

[hexed steppe]

my decoy setup isnt a serous thing btw, i use it to troll determined users

[vestal pasture]

tipping scales with oblitrate chesk +overdogs

[subtle bluff]

Measuring a build dmg output by per bullet dmg isn't the correct way due to RPM.

[dawn perch]

You kind of over built into the decoy build there lmao. I was mostly trying find ways to draw aggro from most dps so that they can actually dps.

[subtle bluff]

TS will generally look better due to having higher per bullet.

[magic pilot]

Handling too for sustain

[subtle bluff]

RoF

[vestal pasture]

how to measure it then ?

[subtle bluff]

DPS. Dmg per second.

[lament reef]

🧮

[hexed steppe]

oh it draws aggro, really well, then constantly blows up and shocks the shit out of everything😂

[magic pilot]

Abacus

[livid sorrel]

my favorite way is doing dps so the aggro goes to me, then the other dps does dps so the aggro goes to them so i can do dps

[dawn perch]

Which i think is really backwards as well as just another dps lmao. Alzo no where blue core are ever mention and we will never hear from them again.

[hybrid pelican]

One of the reasons why having everyone on the best dps set in T10 is important. If 1 is much higher its wayyy worse

[hybrid pelican]

If you want to support dps - try a cluster seeker spam build. It manipulates the aggro of the enemy so they shoot much less because they try and dodge the seekers. It works quite well even T10

[lament reef]

They call this the “hot potato” tech

[subtle bluff]

Eh it's heroic scaled it's not as bad.

[strong cave]

my decoy aegis build would approve

[dawn perch]

Yeah techincally that would work. Although the dps will be annoyed by the constantly moving targets though.

[hybrid pelican]

Quite the opposite - everyone is running LMGS in escalation. So all the enemys become suppressed. the seekers get them out of cover so its actually faster and better. If the dps can't track a moving target they should probably uninstall the game.

[dawn perch]

On eacalation they have stupid mod that make thwm immune status effects so it does make mem made though.

[subtle bluff]

To status effect.

Nothing else mentioned here is a Status Effect

[dawn perch]

Also turret can also function as a good aggro draw i assume right?

[subtle bluff]

It can.

[lament reef]

yeah it draws aggro for one second before it gets vaporized

or emp’d

[subtle bluff]

The placement of it matters and the same threat exists.

[dawn perch]

Also is thr backpack for hardwire that makes the cooldown for talent go to like nothing?

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

Go test it out yourself to understand it.

There is a small internal CD

[dawn perch]

I talking about does it reduce the interval between how often you trigger hardwire. As hardwire is only allow trigger every 10 sec or so right?

[hybrid pelican]

Without enough skill haste it becomes almost instant as far as my runs have gone. Its more about getting your muscle memory to spam shield right when cooldown of seekers begins

Hive works too if u want to heal team a little

[subtle bluff]

The standard HW build.

The issue becomes in escalation is not having a birdies.

[dawn perch]

I just away from my computer so i am doing things from memory

[hybrid pelican]

True. I just hotswap if someone goes down. or dps can hotswap if they are running ceska bp

[subtle bluff]

You don't need HW BP for it imo.

[hybrid pelican]

I haven't tried that yet. run like perfect oppo instead?

[dawn perch]

That backpack is my daily driver lmao.

[subtle bluff]

I run many things... But that is one of them.

[warped musk]

whats a gear set i should use with the coyotes mask exotic

[dawn perch]

Coyotes kind of just works with striker and tipping scales right? It increase crit chance and damage depending on distance for allies.

[warped musk]

ic ic

[subtle bluff]

Not TS. You do not need more CHD on TS.

You want to find something else since TS itself makes 350% CHD you're just hitting DR by adding on more CHD vs another stats

[dawn perch]

Ah HELL NO. We got someone got hacked

[subtle bluff]

dunno who active I reported to mods

[warped musk]

ima give yall a list of the exotic gears i have that id be interesting in making a build around
investor mask
coyote mask
acosta's go bag
collector
beacon
btu data gloves
rugged gauntlets
dodge city gunslinger
Imperial dynasty
which of these exotics should i focus a build around?

[frosty rivet]

Imperial

Data gloves and coyote mask would probably be the easiest ones to build around

[dawn perch]

Imperial dynasty =_= is a meme.

[frosty rivet]

I thought the same about Exodus and now everyone uses it

[dawn perch]

The invester mask is from battle pass right?

[warped musk]

what gearsets and weapons should i use with the data gloves?

[frosty rivet]

Mostly used with future initiative for healer builds

[frosty rivet]

I think so

[dawn perch]

Same here but imperial is legit bad though.

[warped musk]

which ones would work for a tank build

[fierce ether]

Yo guys, if i want to build a medic birdie setup for escalation, should i bring future initiative chest? And is scorpio+lefty (sludgehammer) a good comb?

[frosty rivet]

Not entirely sure. A weird invester roll maybe

[dawn perch]

At the moment, tank build are suffering....

[warped musk]

man 😔

oh wait i got some new exotic blueprints lemme see what they were for

[dawn perch]

No clue. I do not like running higher tier escalation much. What does rhe chest piece do again?

[warped musk]

for gear i have the blacklisters and birdies go bag

i just got those blue prints today

[fierce ether]

The talent is empathic determination

[frosty rivet]

Could try a tank build with blacklisters if you want, see how fast your shield can be melted

[smoky latch]

New talent?

Empathic Resolve

[fierce ether]

Yea

When i repair an allie, skill damage and weapon are increased

But dumno if is worth to bring it or is better future initative chest with talent

[magic pilot]

Future chest is better since you want perfect opportunistic backpack and BTSU gloves

[vernal wing]

Future initiative is better with teammates you know won’t take stupid amounts of damage.

Empathetic Resolve tends to be better if your teammates have bullet magnets or stand in the open a lot.

[subtle bluff]

A bunch of guides and builds you can find in the Pinned Messages

[fierce ether]

Yes ill check it

[frosty rivet]

Not me running overclock backpack like a weirdo

[hazy hull]

Doing a high crit build where my trap stuns then I can just unleash huge crit damage does this look good for that

[clever bane]

Im trying to get negotiator but what do I need to make it work do I need something else

[subtle bluff]

Using proto without correct attributes isn't better than using a gear piece with it.

[smoky latch]

The chest with that talent can be scrapped

[subtle bluff]

Equalizer + Overdogs.
Bluescreen and Big AL is a very good weapons that synergizes well with it.

[clever bane]

What's the equalizer? Is it a high end chest?

[lament reef]

yeah, named chest from unit alloys

[light bear]

Thoughts on the new lmg? Been liking it so far

[alpine wigeon]

Salvo or Equalizer for Tipping Scales?

[lament reef]

Equalizer

you gain stacks while you are shooting, not per shot landed, so more RPM isn’t as useful as on striker’s

[subtle bluff]

Well RPM helps directly but not vs better than other choices.

[cerulean smelt]

so, who's excited to see Caduceus in div 2? or it more of a wait and see how it comes to div 2?

[smoky latch]

Let's see how it works first

[cerulean smelt]

hopefully it'll be like in div 1. critting healing you and your teammates, but with skill tiers best case i'd say, otherwise skill repair or maybe skill damage

[subtle bluff]

oh it's losted

[light bear]

Wdym

[cerulean smelt]

probably shorthand for "lost cause"?

[subtle bluff]

OOPS wrong person.

Sorry. Soul here changes himself so I was like who this!

Hi soul.

[cerulean smelt]

ah, thought you meant the new LMG was a lost cause
long time Chow

[subtle bluff]

I'd actual needs pics of the new SMG and LMG if people have it and the Base numbers to add them.

[fierce ether]

Just give me the house SMG

Thanks.

[exotic talon]

lmao i got a backup boomstick with back and forth do i keep it

[sudden cloak]

We got the apartment, couldn't afford the house

[cerulean smelt]

what do you think apartment is?

[sudden cloak]

A temu version of the house

[fierce ether]

🙁

[sudden cloak]

They could introduce the house and just give it perfectly measured without the drawbacks on the talent

[fierce ether]

Or bring back tanks builds i loved it with huge shield

And smg

[cerulean smelt]

what's stopping you from running a tank build aside people saying you don't do damage?

[fierce ether]

The problem is not the damage, one bullet of enemy, cya armor

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 if you got that exotic 93R you can have a big shield and auto firing weapon

[fierce ether]

Ill try that

[tall shoal]

tempest builds are so much fun, not gonna lie.

[sudden cloak]

There are a few builds like that, just gotta find them

[fierce ether]

U mean tempest ok

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i forgot the name of it. sorry

[subtle bluff]

I'd keep it. That's not a bad talent for it.

[subtle bluff]

I hate it. So much effort to aim vs doing nearly the same but with a better gun and more DPS.

[tall shoal]

aim? you just run at them and hold the trigger and laugh in bulwark

[cerulean smelt]

sure you do, you run at them, shield breaks then you're confused for a bit and then you're down calling for help 😹

[tall shoal]

Nah, a few blues + artificer + sacrifice + vigi. Just dont let them get behind you and its pretty much GG anything heroic and down. Leggo if you watch your positioning and aim for heads

Bigger magazine helps a lot too. I use Tempest to level up random named items for expertise

[sudden cloak]

For leggo, I'm on striker obliterate or my pfe build

[tall shoal]

Tbf, striker beats everything when it comes to raw min maxing. I just enjoy putting all the shiny things they gave us together and see what happens

[cerulean smelt]

does any of hte patch notes have the new SMG/LMG in them? first i heard of new ones

[subtle bluff]

Oh it's just LMG

[cerulean smelt]

based on name, i'm assuming talent is Headshot based? 😹

is it in game already? or just like the caduceus. listed in the expertise and waiting to be released in some future content?

[tulip charm]

future

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, figured 😹

[shy basalt]

is there any huge difference between how the LMGs feel

[tulip charm]

other than rpm

[shy basalt]

or is it mostly just ammo + RoF that are different between the diff ones

[sudden cloak]

We're getting caduceus in div2?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, according to DJTickle i believe? it's in the expertise menu already

[cerulean smelt]

OH! wait maybe it'll shoot cobwebs? 😹

[sudden cloak]

Whattttt, that was my first exotic in div1 lol

[cerulean smelt]

will depend how they bring it to div 2 honestly

considering we have skill tiers instead of skill power? (been a long time since i booted up div 1)

[sudden cloak]

I wonder if the talent will be similar to what it was in div1?

Something like that lol

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, i'm going to guess it'll be basd on skill damage or repair, if we're lucky it'll go by skill tiers

would make hybrid builds strong if it goes by tiers 😹

[sudden cloak]

It only procs of crits iirc

[cerulean smelt]

yes, if they go by tiers you can be sitting at i think 2 skill tier cores, 4 reds and be pure chance/damage

[cerulean smelt]

you are correct every 0.20 seconds based on skill power as well or whatever that stat was in div 1

[exotic talon]

perfect strained goes insane

[exotic talon]

its already out btw its from the capitol globe classified assignment

[subtle bluff]

What's the number the new amount for Prefect

[exotic talon]

if you can wait like 15 mins ill show

[cerulean smelt]

i played a bit yesterday, but i was trying to obtain one collectable in the marina 07/08 or something like that so i didn't try to run the new classified

[copper yarrow]

I think someone mentioned that strained is not a good talent in itself

[cerulean smelt]

strained is good, killer just has long uptime comparitively

[magic pilot]

And more dmg

[exotic talon]

strained will activate for certain, killer is stronger but rng

[copper yarrow]

But strain stops the moment you stop shooting

[exotic talon]

i believe theres a few seconds of buffer

[subtle bluff]

In sustain fights Strained isn't bad better than Killer in that sense.

[ocean wyvern]

They both have a place, I personally like strained over killer when I'm not solo

[copper yarrow]

Ah I didn't know that

[exotic talon]

@subtle bluff +10% for every 0.5s up to 8 stacks so +80%

[subtle bluff]

WRONG CHOW

[exotic talon]

im sorry random person your name got you caught in the crossfire

[subtle bluff]

Im @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

change it!

[exotic talon]

changing it doesnt remove the notification

[subtle bluff]

They know mostly now but just to let them know

[exotic talon]

i guess the user list after typing @ updated right as i was pinging you, as it often does

[exotic talon]

anyways i was wrong it does need constant sustained fire but headline is an lmg so shrug

[mint musk]

hmm gotta say Hive stingers does pack a punch at skill tier 6 😅

[copper yarrow]

Vahid

[patent fossil]

Gonna rock on a paradox build

[rain hedge]

Hey all, recently did conflict coz of the xp event now I have the itch to wanna play it more and get better to have something other than the main gaim to play here and there, what’s a good conflict build for a newbie ?

[fierce garnet]

This is easy to use and puts out crazy damage

[solar sable]

I hope that's for PvP

[fierce garnet]

It is

[solar sable]

it is, i didn't read up 🥴

[subtle bluff]

Yup UA added to that build is too good for PvP

[rich cosmos]

So, how we expecting the new version of the talent is gonna work

[fierce garnet]

No clue but its gonna be crazy good with core strength

[rich cosmos]

Doesn’t the old one not have any attachments?

[fierce garnet]

It had attachments

[rich cosmos]

I don’t know how that stuff worked in div 1 but the picture in exp doesn’t have attachments

Thats a little concerning, really really hope its not a 30 round mag or lower

[fierce garnet]

Big al had attachments in first game as well so its anybody guess

[tulip gulch]

Lmgs are lit. The issue is that it’s an M60 lol

[sour prawn]

Which of these builds are better? I use the overdogs one but I heard some people say the ninjabike setup is superior

[broken edge]

huh?

[broken edge]

most use of ninjabike is PVP, so the overdogs is better overall for PVE

[subtle bluff]

Proto SLOP!!!!

[sour prawn]

Yea that makes sense, ty

[subtle bluff]

what's the content for the builds?

[sour prawn]

PVE

[subtle bluff]

Yup as mentioned NBB and CS are super niche otherwise there only good in PvP

[fierce garnet]

Now being able to get skill tier 6 with 4 proto. What core you guys running on healing builds with open 2?

[normal shadow]

Yellow for heals, red for additional damage?

[subtle bluff]

Uh... You don't need any proto for support builds.

[fierce garnet]

Div 1 is jealous

[gentle lichen]

Atomize fire nade.....

[hybrid pelican]

Is that for T11 esc?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need proto gear for support. Things when used right can do more.

[broken edge]

t5

[shy willow]

It did, more or less every exotic did except the tommy

And the defiler

[shy willow]

Not needed whatsoever but nice to have with the smol repair skills boost

[ocean wyvern]

I'm curious what vile damage would look like on that

[shy willow]

Not enough to make it worth running over overdogs tbh

[ocean wyvern]

Oh no, not as a replacement to OD, just for science sake

[rare trout]

Is there any napkin math for whether it's worth losing 0.1% CHC but gaining 5% WD on the escalation meta striker chest build? I farmed a bunch of striker pieces yesterday but im not sure if i want to replace my existing prototyped pieces that have maxed out CHC/CHD but baseline WD. Also not looking forward to trying to roll echo on the new pieces and leveling them up to 3.0% like my old ones.

[subtle bluff]

0.1%?

[rare trout]

yeah, new piece has 8.9%CHC vs old piece has 9%CHC. But new piece has extra 5% WD

[subtle bluff]

Yes then take WD.

[rare trout]

thanks!

[violet dragon]

Need help. As of now I’m level 40 with shd watch level is at 52 but all sudden it’s greyed out and blinking with explanation mark. I’m still able to level up but it’s not showing my watch level in the main menu. Is this bug or am I missing something?

[subtle bluff]

You need to unlock it by going to the White House and finding the quartermaster he's the guy on the left once you walk in.
Afterwards if you go the Pinned Messages that'll start you off on the rest of the game.

[violet dragon]

Yeah I went to DC White House quartermaster but nothing comes up

[subtle bluff]

can you SS what's going on? post it over in #ask-td2-community it's more of specific over there.

[violet dragon]

Ok will do

[plush cloak]

I’m sitting at like 80% CHD on my memento striker build. I feel like that’s low, but I don’t see any opportunities to increase without dropping CHC. Is there a target number to shoot for? I’m at 56% CHC right now.

[hybrid pelican]

Double your chc so around 120 chd would be a good number to shoot for. Ideally as high as possible if you want more dmg. Don't sacrifice your crit chance though

Assuming full SHD watch

[sudden cloak]

What's your chest piece?

[plush cloak]

I have claimed all CHD from SHd watch but am level 550. Where can I pissibly find 40% CHD?

[plush cloak]

Equalizer

[sudden cloak]

If you're using elmos, you should sit around 108% chd with everything optimized, if you have Lexington, you can run that instead at 93% chd and killer talent an extra 70% chd when you kill an enemy with a crit

[plush cloak]

I actually completely forgot about killer on Lex. So since I have that should I go all the way up to 60 CHC and sac 11 more CHD from mods for it, knowing I have 70 from killer?

[sudden cloak]

You can if you'd like, me personally, I'm okay with sitting around 55-58% chc, but that's me you decide what you're more comfortable with

[plush cloak]

Okay - I actually also got a decent proto first bloom with CHD and echo - is there conventional wisdom on how proto first bloom stacks up against non-proto lex? They seem to be pretty similar at the range if you smooth out when killer doesn’t proc.

[sudden cloak]

That question would have to be answered by someone else as I'm not sure

[subtle bluff]

Sounds like you need to keep farming or get your library maxxed out

[plush cloak]

The stats on my gear are all max except for 1 or 2 slots are like 0.2 away from max. I just didn’t know if it’s expected to have lower base CHD with memento striker or how I can get more.

[subtle bluff]

minus 70 from Killer

[shy basalt]

What level is your watch

[hybrid pelican]

Perfect build

[unique bison]

😁

[gentle lichen]

Get a ceska wicked bag and a grupo mask

[frosty rivet]

What does the range do for reviver hive?

[unique bison]

What will that do? Pardon me not understanding, i just got done with a couple runs

[gentle lichen]

More radius size when thrown

[frosty rivet]

I figured but never really see it being used to heal other people

[gentle lichen]

Wicked gives you total weapon damage when inflicting a status effect which you will always be doing when using ongoing and ceska/grupo are crit brands that boost your damage

[unique bison]

Oooo

[gentle lichen]

It can be clutch if your teammate died in an awkward position that you can't reach them from

[unique bison]

Do i have to tinker im assuming?

[frosty rivet]

Resurgence players be like

[gentle lichen]

Yes have chc/chd mods and attributes on all your gear

[unique bison]

Thank u sir

[hybrid pelican]

You also want to use Sadist on your lmg to take advantage of the hollowpoint ammo bleed

[unique bison]

Ily thank you

[soft crane]

The Stackless Strikers

[wicked mica]

is the Bighorn good with the standard striker’s build

[gentle lichen]

Meh

If you can consistently get headshots it can be decent

[soft crane]

Didnt I give you a high-end AR build?

[wicked mica]

you did and I’ve been using it but I also have been using St. Elmo’s Engine which has been working wonders too

I’m just curious about Bighorn since I finally have one

[gentle lichen]

Quite niche most its value is found in pvp

[wicked mica]

understandable

[soft crane]

I like this high-end AR build. It has exactly, precisely 60% CHC.

[frosty rivet]

Girls und panzer enjoyer

[wicked mica]

[frosty rivet]

[wicked mica]

discord seems to be glitching because it still says I’m playing division 2 but my system is on rest mode and I’m at work

[frosty rivet]

On the topic of niche guns would ravenous be ok for strikers

[soft crane]

No.

I got high-end Ravenous build if you want.

[frosty rivet]

Was just curious, thank you though

I like ravenous but not sure if I could juggle it's gimmick

[wicked mica]

Eventually I’ll have 60% crit chance consistently, just need to up my SHD watch

now if I could just get a tinkerer’s mask for some builds that would be lovely but that’s still the one thing I need to drop from black tusk retal

[frosty rivet]

Good thing about them is you're garuanteed to get it eventually

Just takes patience

[buoyant perch]

It is usable but how often would you run into Armor Plate to justify it:
https://youtu.be/M2c_jXiYrPI?t=139

[frosty rivet]

New escalation meta maybe

[hybrid pelican]

I use rav all the time in escalation to take out chunga at high tier

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. Only if someone is quick at using it and able to use the rav stack correctly