td2-build-advice

[short verge]

so ill just get better at sniping and getting those meaty headshot then, dont worry about it

[exotic talon]

ok but even a oneshot build struggles to kill bosses in one shot at higher difficulties so turmoil makes it take even longer

if you needed two headshots, you will need four
and the adds you kill will keep respawning

[short verge]

non issue, and it will be fixed by me getting gud

[cerulean mica]

perfect kinetic is better than perfect glass btw

[exotic talon]

buddy this is literally my main build, unless you NEED turmoil for a specific purpose (i.e. ruin hunter spawn in ironworks manhunt) just playing better wont make up for its downsides

[short verge]

non issue, im not saying you're wrong, im saying i just gotta get better, whats the deal

[exotic talon]

turmoil works much better for ramping sustained dps like big al or tipping scales and even then its niche

[cerulean mica]

wrong again

[cerulean mica]

3 piece hotshot, overdogs, chainkiller and the gift / habsburg with vigilance and you will be perfectly fine

[fierce ether]

Perfect then!

[short verge]

right exactly, im gonna build their loadout, im just gonna compare between fox prayer and turmoil and see how that turns out

[cerulean mica]

or just use a 1886 build which is better, hits like a mmr

[exotic talon]

providence and habsburg are both worse than airaldi what are you on about
airaldi gives +10% mmr, prov and habs give +13% hsd

[fierce ether]

Is refactor the best? For skill build? Or empress is better

[cerulean mica]

full skill build 3 piece empress, 1 piece wyvern and 2 hanna u

refactor is good still tho

[short verge]

habsburg is natively blue core right? unironically finding the gift gonna be much easier than finding a two red habsburb

[exotic talon]

having higher base damage lets you get more mileage out of like 200% hsd vs 210%

[cerulean mica]

yes habsburg bp is very hard to get, gift is much easier as you can farm it from houndsman and get the blueprint from reconstructed caches

[short verge]

actually right as we're talking about drop rates, i found another Gift from summit targeted loot, what luck

[cerulean mica]

but then again, 1886 build is more fun plus hits like an mmr

[cerulean mica]

just remember to always focus handling and hs 👍

[heady terrace]

I really wanted to get the hollow man mask but its too tedious to get atm

Unless I farm named caches, but I'm already trying to do countdown for exotics

[dawn perch]

Anyone have any idea how people are getting away with running core strength (yelllow) with defense drone and harrier pride on raverous + fox prayer? I see the eat damage like nothing.

[exotic talon]

defense drone and harrier pride is wack but half of ravenous's gimmick is tanking and core strength lets them stay alive long enough to stack it

the other half is exploding everyone with your mind bullets

[dawn perch]

Oh so raverous is the key thing but i just did not have the damn gun =_=

[exotic talon]

i mean defense drone and harrier certainly help, but with no benefit to their damage output unlike rav

[dawn perch]

I mean the combo might be kind dumb with all three

[weak quail]

The shd cache event, which relaces global modifier buffs btw and vice versa

[weak quail]

Very little chance clan vendors include pvp gear, haven’t checked yet tho. Got Yaahl gear from him before

[fierce ether]

Are these builds ok? I aimed for 60% CHC both, and can swap secondary for GR9 with frenzy.

[soft crane]

Yeah those are good.

[livid sorrel]

ACS or an SMG would be a decent secondary for stacking and backup

[hexed steppe]

wont really need a stacker for typical striker, will need another type of ammo for secondary, like a frenzy lmg

[livid sorrel]

actually yeah that's true, my stack broker is relegated to back and forth duty now

[languid wasp]

any skill damage build?

[woeful chasm]

mANY

[weak quail]

I thought striker was good for pestilence but i saw another unicorn ahh build being posted here. Is that considerably better?

[hazy steeple]

@weak quail You should read the Striker guide.

[weak quail]

I might have, i remember reading one before

[hazy steeple]

I'd give it another skim, it'll answer your questions.

specifically the part about Pestilence. It's a common misconception.

[livid sorrel]

It is, but Concentrated Company is better at the cost of relying on stacks and having said stacks build up slowly in solo

[copper yarrow]

is the First bloom better than lexington with Killer/measured?

[urban latch]

Pesti is in a weird spot. You can either just run it with strikers where pesti doesn't really synergize with the strikers damage amp, or you can build around pesti specifically and get a high pesti tick damage but the build overall will just be worse.

[livid sorrel]

why would you use pesti if not for the ticks

[urban latch]

First bloom is just the new toy in the toy box, that's all

[copper yarrow]

oof okay

[urban latch]

Think of pesti ticks as a roughly 10% damage amp weapon talent. You can build around that and make it 15%, but by running a build that does 30% overall less damage.

[weak quail]

So it ain’t worth the unicorns

[urban latch]

Pesti has always been one of those weapons thats more popular than it has any reason to be lol

[weak quail]

And somehow it doesn’t count as a status effect to work with OD

forgot if it even works with vile

[exotic talon]

its a debuff

[unborn cove]

im not like always playing giga sweaty content can i make a measured assembly build im farming proto peices

[woeful chasm]

In higher escalation and I think possibly in legendary missions it is better. Marginally

[weak quail]

Killer can suck in group play plus there is a 40% chance it won’t even proc when you get the kill anyway (assuming you even have 60% chc to begin with)

I run that one ar with perfect killer enough in solo/duo to not see the hype about killer

[livid sorrel]

the talent is interesting it just had the unfortunate fate of being stuck on a pdr

[woeful chasm]

It's accurate and stable. Whats to hate

[unborn cove]

is armor with echo good or are there better talents

[weak quail]

Echo best augment pretty sure

[livid sorrel]

good dps talent on a skill piece

[exotic talon]

there are a bunch of good augments echo is just the striker among them

[unborn cove]

im trying to be quirky and make buils for all sorts of content and i wanna make a measured assembly one and idk i have echo on a mpx and swear that thing shreds

this thing is fun

[weak quail]

Measured assembly can be really good against mortar and drone spam

[exotic talon]

i think it shouldve had an opposite effect based on missing % of hp and armor kinda like measured switching halfway through the mag
or just give it optimist as a second talent idk

[woeful chasm]

Make meassured assembly with weapon dmg and headshot dmg + bittersweet support.

[unborn cove]

but idk like are proto pieces worth worrying about the augments too much? im not like a turbo sweat but i dont wanna make a build thats like butt useless

but i like the proto aguments they're so fun cuz like i like the status effect one a lot too i swear it procs more than it says it does at base'

[livid sorrel]

it's a chance per shot iirc so if you're shooting a lot it's gonna proc more

[woeful chasm]

So if the build is legit before proto, and with proto has higher stats. How could it be ass with the wrong proto talent? Will it be better with echo, yes. Will it suck without, no.

Yes Amalgam is fun.

[unborn cove]

I don't know what builds are legit I'm just told "her deerrrrr go striker"

i refuse to like ever run straight meta 😭

idk striker just is so boring to play for me

[woeful chasm]

There are sooo many ways to make a nice build for heroic / legendary but for escalation +5 and onwards you will notice that the damage isnt really there.

[unborn cove]

This is gonna sound backwards as hell but I want the escalation loot for everything else in the game besides it 🤣

[livid sorrel]

i mean good for you ig just dont expect to do t6 escalation

[balmy geyser]

I've been saying this

[unborn cove]

I dont really enjoy escalation at its core

It's the same problem grandmaster nightfalls have...adding more HP adds nothing but time consumption

[livid sorrel]

escalation should just have more enemies instead of more hp

[woeful chasm]

Well there is no need to play it. Tried heartbreaker? Its very fun to run around super aggresive in heroic with that. Or try a oneshot build. Try a full high end assault rifle build. Try CoCo pestilence? Tried a skill build? Seeker spam?

[balmy geyser]

The whole concept of Escalation and gear that is specifically targeted to this content, is weird to me.

If it would have been PvP in some form, it would have made more sense.

[unborn cove]

I just want quirky build capability, but I wanna make sure If i take the time to farm something, its for something

I read measured assemblys stuff, and in practice it looks good, but the people here seem to know about what it actually ends up doing, so i thought i'd ask

I also wanted to ask about proto stuff because its still a lot for me

[unborn cove]

I love heartbreaker its what i have right now

I got the shroud a few days ago and I've been putting off making a sniper build or anything of that matter thats a good reminder lowk

[livid sorrel]

real quirky is diamondback nego

[unborn cove]

noted

[urban latch]

Asking for build advice and specifically trying to avoid "meta" is contradictory imo. And I don't just mean "run strikers" by that. If you just want to run what you want, then just do that.

[unborn cove]

i want to run waht i want but i dont wanna waste 2 hours farming for something if its objectively ass or doesnt function because well its a ubi game

[balmy geyser]

I hate meta.. But I run Striker.. but not because it's meta haha

[livid sorrel]

ig you could ask to how to make your offmeta build better here without just switching straight to meta

[urban latch]

"meta" is one of those ambiguous terms that means something different to everyone, it's a near useless term to use

[unborn cove]

If I dare look up stuff on YT, I fall into the "BEST STRIKER BLAH BLAH BUILD" njonsense filling the feed, asking real people makes me feel like the answers I get are factual rather than for views

hey yall like the bighorn?

[balmy geyser]

Ultimately, it's what most people consider "best"

[unborn cove]

im gonna craft that next i think

i just need the retal mats

[lament reef]

got a prototype pp19 with echo streamline yesterday

might go in my secondary weapon slot….

[urban latch]

I see way more the opposite, since "gOd tiER oFf MeTa" builds get more clicks. And that's how a bunch of people end up with trash builds

[unborn cove]

That's why I ask here. I made one build from YT and it was complete dogshit despite being striker.

Then, like shortly after I saw someone send a link about the new player traps

[lament reef]

what was it, blue striker? ninjabike?

[balmy geyser]

blue striker... ew

"Lets be a glass cannon dps.. but.. worse"

[mint axle]

If I use negotiator with echo augment, it will apply only to the target hit by the bullet or does it interact with the talent mark?

[unborn cove]

thats actually a good question

[livid sorrel]

blues with striker are just training wheels

[unborn cove]

cover based shooter

[woeful chasm]

Depends on if echo shots can crit or acts as crits from crits.

[exotic talon]

blue core striker is fun with bulwark tempest

[woeful chasm]

Agreed.

[mint axle]

Well, I don't know, I don't have the resources to reroll a piece to have echo, but I'm just curious.

[livid sorrel]

tried making HF bulwark tempest techtank only for it to end up just being an SMG build

[balmy geyser]

IS the double damage considered a crit or normal hit? Or just a duplicate value of prior damage value.. dunno

[woeful chasm]

Well I do have a full echo ND set but the amount of numbers on my screen is too much. Besides it just falls off in higher escalation anyway so its collecting dust.

[unborn cove]

if im building for healing does do stims count

[livid sorrel]

btsu glove? all hives count for it

[exotic talon]

is detonating a hive just destroying it

[lament reef]

yeah

[unborn cove]

oh my god actually? THANK YOU LOL

[mint axle]

Manually destroyed by the player.

[unborn cove]

melee? are we serious

guys should i make a melee build...

[balmy geyser]

Wep handling and Hazprot is good tho

Accuracy, Stability, reload speed...

[unborn cove]

what hive would i use in a measured assembly btsu

or is that ass and i need a diff exotic/other gear piece setup

[woeful chasm]

it is a healer/support build however you make the MA. Restorer hive.

[unborn cove]

would I want to go survivalist for the healing drones or do those not work on teammates and technician would be better?

never once seen someone use the healing seekers 😓

[balmy geyser]

I'd go Tech

[livid sorrel]

restorer hive + btsu is an easy way to slap healing onto a full yellow build

[unborn cove]

I’m full yellow right now

[livid sorrel]

survivalist has 15% outgoing healing and the crossbow for removing chunga armor

[balmy geyser]

Full yellow core Investor would be a great exotic too no?

[unborn cove]

I have like 3 of those rotting in my stash

[balmy geyser]

3 Full yellow core Investors?

[woeful chasm]

If it gave +10% skill efficiency/yellow attribute it would be insane.

[balmy geyser]

15%

[unborn cove]

1 yellow 2 blue (?)

[woeful chasm]

5

[exotic talon]

can i use a damage hive with restorer chem

[balmy geyser]

Thing with investor, you wanna have it full.

Full blue, full yellow, full blue, etc

[unborn cove]

I didn’t even realize the healing wtf

[balmy geyser]

Wait, am i misunderstanding you now

[livid sorrel]

probably just for a fire EP build or something

[balmy geyser]

I think out of the 3 versions, a full yellow investor is the most "impactful"

[exotic talon]

i have a yellow core triple red for core strength capacitor

[livid sorrel]

yea

[balmy geyser]

This is something i considered keeping my last version of investor for.. But then i just said F it.. and rerolled it to 4 reds

[unborn cove]

obviously not the final setup leave me alone i know its ass

what armor mods do i slot in ideally for this? skill repair increases my healing right

[woeful chasm]

Try getting an alps summit chest with.. is it called empathic resolve.. must look it up.
yes thats the name of the talent.

[exotic talon]

getting efficiency from core strength seems more impactful than skill tiers (on weapons other than cap)

[unborn cove]

mender and hive respectively, are these good (idk what to look for in terms of healing stats being good)

[woeful chasm]

Core strength would become amazing and fun to build hybrids with if the backpack held 3 cores AND had the chest talent. Alternative rework the talents of chest/bp and make 70(75?)% baseline from the 4p. Another alternative give each set piece 2 cores + 1 attribute(or make the chest talent "each attribute on your set pieces counts as a core"). Something... its lacking in power but is creating so much creativity in builds.

[exotic talon]

give backpack three cores and one attribute

no talent but the extra cores are a bonus and not a replacement

[woeful chasm]

Wouldnt make it a contender but its a start. Losing out on both bp and chest talents is gimping the specs.

[long dove]

how can i get lengmo chc/chd? is that extremely rare?

[woeful chasm]

Somewhat. Worst one to get is ofc chc/chd obliterate lengmo chest for that sweat tripple red.
obviously i ment to write sweet...

6 days and some hours.

[silver coral]

ok thanks was gonna move the question from Q&A but thanks for the fast reply

[long dove]

im trying it for the pesti with pgc chest

0 drops so far i thought its bugged lol

[heady terrace]

sub 100h into the game, how is this build so far? (i changed my lex to killer instead of streamline)

[woeful chasm]

Oh no you can definitly find it. I'v managed to collect them all and I have only played the game for 6 weeks.

[heady terrace]

i think streamline would be better for countdown content as your chances of actually taking advantage of killer is low due to the amount of people

[woeful chasm]

Making a build for the most brain dead content in the game would be a miss imo.

[heady terrace]

and countdown has been my to-go-to content for collecting a lot of fat loot atm

[unborn cove]

im gonna be the ultimate pub pocket medic guys!!!

[heady terrace]

true, true, but i have 4 lexes lmao

[long dove]

will try n see

[woeful chasm]

Once you get the alps empathic resolve chest. and stop playing with 8.5 skill tiers instead of 6.

[unborn cove]

idk what that means

[livid sorrel]

Streamline doesn't give that much damage on an all red build with how damage is calculated

[livid sorrel]

a yellow proto piece gives 1 and a half skill tiers so you only need 4 yellow pieces

[heady terrace]

oh? really? how so? isnt it just a straight 47% dmg boost? or is it calculated in between before all of the crits?

[unborn cove]

... my bad

welp back to the escaltion we go

[woeful chasm]

Maybe take a break if you don't enjoy them and do some retaliations with Alps as target loot. There is no need for proto gear and we do not have Alps as target loot today I reckon. Also you cant find Measured with anything but yellow cores right?

[livid sorrel]

it's weapon damage which is before everything else, on an all red you have plenty of that
not to mention you can't use skills

[unborn cove]

the chest talent seems a tad pointless to worry about for measrued

[balmy geyser]

I know it's the w/c but guys.. what the feck is the "Draugr" in Manhunt week 3

[unborn cove]

i see why you tell me to get the chest honestly now

[unborn cove]

(this being why i was worried about it) @woeful chasm

[heady terrace]

i see, what would you recommend for increased dakka?

[livid sorrel]

measured

[exotic talon]

for tinkerer frenzy gr9, would allegro be a good second talent

[unborn cove]

echo

brah i deadass didnt even realize its 1.5 LOL

[livid sorrel]

since when could you get allegro

[exotic talon]

is it not on lmgs

[livid sorrel]

it's not on anything but that one named

[woeful chasm]

Yes but with repair skills skill haste and empathic resolve.

[exotic talon]

i may be stupid

[violet saddle]

Its a bounty at the end iirc

[heady terrace]

measured huh? alright ill try it out

[unborn cove]

i have this for now

[exotic talon]

time to grind red core hsd core strength

[rocky rain]

Which pistol makes you run faster again?

[exotic talon]

quickstep

[exotic talon]

how does emphatic resolve compare to FI chest

[lapis fiber]

Does the bluescreen blueprint drop no matter what level I play in like does the level have to be on like heroic in order for loot like that to have a higher drop rate???

[rare isle]

for a oneshot rifle build whats a good backpack?

other than the gift

cause i heard its a dz item

[cosmic oyster]

what do you think is a good proto TS setup for high escalation? TS chest and other gear? or equalizer and overdogs still? hollowman and contractor?

[rare isle]

im following the build in the pinned comments but i dont think ill get the gift bp

[short verge]

the gift is DZ? a damn i said i got it to drop from the summit earlier, i somehow misread the backpack, it was just a regular providence backpack that happened to have normal vigilance

[upper yew]

is there any alternative pistol worth using atm cuz quickstep is SO GOOD

[short verge]

the orbit for crits perhaps, maybe busy little bee if you dont mind a few extra inputs for essentially free weapon damage boosts

[vernal wing]

If you ND multiple targets and then Overdogs target the lowest tier enemy, do you get 30% amp damage against all of them?

(In other words does ND snapshot dmg calcs before or after Overdogs AND IF NOT can Overdogs still apply to each enemy if one or more of them are the lowest tier?)

[junior lagoon]

yes but keep in mind for ND you need critiially hit

the way i have been told is mark the low level enemies and then concentrate on the elite

[broken pewter]

wait a second btsu gloves makes my hive have no cooldown?

[patent fossil]

Since transferred damage is amplified by the nd backpack, you're better off focusing the weaker enemies to kill the stronger ones faster (not taking into account target-switching time)

[junior lagoon]

makes sense actually

[broken pewter]

i liked the FI healer build, dont know if im playing correctly but surely theres a lot of healing

[vernal wing]

No, when you destroy the hive, all your teammates get overcharge (faster cooldowns and boosted skills)

You can only do that once every like 180 seconds

[smoky latch]

Ground control is conditional to full armor, ER is time limited

ER is 15%, Ground Control without chest is also 15%, with chest it's 25%

[broken pewter]

ooh ok

what you think about birdies pack with 4 piece FI and a alps summit chest or something?? just asking im clueless about healing but wanna start playing it

[exotic talon]

so ER + Ground Control is 30% but you have to keep activating it?

[smoky latch]

Yeah

That allows you to use Birdie's without swap - great for Escalations in the higher tiers

[broken pewter]

"repairing an ally" does this include reviving also or just healing them?

[smoky latch]

If your team doesn't go down often I'd suggest the BTSU build variant tho. An overclocked decoy is great too plus the debuff from The Setup

[vernal wing]

I’ll just let them die intentionally and then they can have the birdies buff

[smoky latch]

Healing, not picking up

[broken pewter]

okok

[smoky latch]

You really need decoys tho, and if it's overclocked it's goated

[hazy steeple]

I do love the Active Modifier for cooldowns this Season.
an overclocked Decoy is something I'm going to miss.

The Jammer Pulse at Tidal Leg' can cover almost the entire field. Magic. 🪄

[smoky latch]

Plus preferably expertise 30 and your DPS players don't have to worry about much for as long as the decoy is up and visible to NPCs

[smoky latch]

Yeah but I'd rather advocate for the 135% HSD because it's really noticeable

At least T8-10 Escalations

[hazy steeple]

With my combo of stuff, the WH buff is more useful.
It's all build specific for sure.

[steady garnet]

Is it possible to have 60% critical hit chance and 120 critical hit damage while also being hard to kill in PVE?

[hazy steeple]

@steady garnet Being hard to kill is all about knowing the little tricks and tips of Cover, and using it as much as possible.

[smoky latch]

120 CHD isn't hard to get. It's achievable with most PfE builds

It's not really that useful for certain activities

[hazy steeple]

You don't need blue cores, or pfe, or stuff like that. Just learn how to stay in cover, work positioning, and make sure you can kill stuff fast enough.

[smoky latch]

Using cover for sure the better way overall

[hazy steeple]

INF, you have that one "using cover" video laying around?

[steady garnet]

Solid!

[smoky latch]

The one from chow?

[steady garnet]

Except for the Kitsunebis

[hazy steeple]

Those are actually easier to kill than most. If you focus fire on the tank melee unit, the rest will be dead or nearly dead by the time they are.
Since they share a health pool.

The Ronin not so much, but they're just Hunters in cosplay.

[steady garnet]

Thanks 👍🏼

[exotic talon]

🌊 🦵

[smoky latch]

@steady garnet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLopWe9NfF0&t=27s

An example

Can be found in this guide:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCcHSui_wM6di2uJMPoJJB6Wx9K-pqbeuWyHAQcJ9AI/edit?usp=drivesdk

Worth a bookmark

[short verge]

height-level cover, pinnacle of protection

[smoky latch]

Ya

[hallow arch]

W.I.P Future Initiative build based off the build hub, I don't have a backpack with opportunistic yet sadly

[smoky latch]

Can use an Alps Summits backpack in the meantime

Getting your hands on the right The Setup backpack might take a bit

[chilly steeple]

btsu gloves active seems hard to play around, is it still bis if you don't really know when to use the active well (yet)

[smoky latch]

Yeah it is. What's your problem with it?

[chilly steeple]

nothing, haven't managed to drop the bp or item itself yet, just been curious about it

same reason i haven't gotten around to trying dch yet, seemed like a occasional pocketnuke for bosses/tough enemies for the most part. i get the regulus but the harvest kinda confused me, unless talent is irrelevant and it just has really high base damage or something

[smoky latch]

It's known to be very useful for certain raid mechanics and generally in HH builds

[chilly steeple]

so you stack up hh and dch stacks and then swap to pistol i assume?

[smoky latch]

You can put whatever talent you want on a Harvest

[chilly steeple]

ah, right. my braincell doesn't work a lot of the time

[smoky latch]

It's mostly used to trigger HH. Regulus doesn't have a damage talent, so you use another weapon or just wait until the DCH is fully charged, then swap

[chilly steeple]

sidenote do you happen to have the core str pvp build on hand, i saved the image but the link expired so gotta screenshot it

[smoky latch]

#td2-pvp-discussions search for images in there

[chilly steeple]

ah that works, thanks

[hard bloom]

hey all

currently running a strikers build with memento back and ceska chest with obliterate. I got this and was wondering if it's good enough or if I should still farm for st elmos? I was told this is good for solos and st elmos would still be better for groups

[merry flax]

This one is pretty good to, but as i understood, the biggest cons come from the killer (even perfect) talent... On really high end game, since you need to kill a target to proc it, and the foes all have very high life pool, you don't really proc it enough to really get everything from it
So pretty cool for mid/endgame, but not that good for very endgame

[hard bloom]

ahh sweet, so use that as a bridge to St Elmo's? thanks for replying btw

[flint arch]

1. the enhanced g36, the gun the caretaker is based on, can be described as "could be better" in terms of RPM and accuracy
2. killer falls off in groups or in stuff like escalation where you often can't land the killing shot

it's good, but there are better options out there

also, st. elmos is not the best AR. it will be worse than a high-end police M4 because it has no damage talent. just want to put that out there

that being said st elmos is a very comfy weapon to use (70 mag size, crit attachments, occasional shock rounds) so yeah

[merry flax]

Yep the StElmo It is still a pretty good option ! I was playing with it and i recently had the chance to loot a perfect Lexington, it's basically the same weapon except that you can change/chose the talent

[flint arch]

lexington comes god rolled

[exotic talon]

how stupid is this

[smoky latch]

Yes

[broken pewter]

wait refactor heals when you do dmg???

[smoky latch]

That is its talent

[broken pewter]

damn i gotta try this

[balmy geyser]

bruh.. last thing I wanted.

[merry flax]

Merry Xmas

[smoky latch]

Gotten a few of those too - free proto cores

[solar sable]

Merry Chrysler

[flint arch]

Ngl I was completely expecting the caches to be the only good way to get protos at first but then they made the drop rates in escalation busted in the other direction

I regularly consume 25 proto cores to reroll my shit

[smoky latch]

It's not really busted, higher rates are just fair for the delusional costs they throw at us

[flint arch]

I guess

Prototypes were truly a rather thoughtless addition

[smoky latch]

I gotta prototype another Hollow Man, spent 12x25 cores plus whatever the lower costs are and still don't have what I want

[shy willow]

🎰

[smoky latch]

Farming exo comps for this is immeasurably atrocious...

[shy willow]

Scuffed economy

All roads lead to exotic component bottleneck

[smoky latch]

Exo comp sources need a god damn buff, this is ridiculous. I may do that a few times before I lose my interest in general

[inland scarab]

any advice for dark winter attachments? rate now i have +50% optimal range, +15% crit Dmg, +5% crit Chance and +20 rounds

[subtle bluff]

The issues with TS on escalation is when you have to reposition or when you do go down you'll lose a ton for your stacks. Why striker is the meta. In the strikers guide explains the rest.

[subtle bluff]

CHC ammo

[inland scarab]

CHC?

[subtle bluff]

Crit hit Chance

[inland scarab]

ah

[onyx sage]

chavez

[subtle bluff]

Goooooo auto correct.

[broken pewter]

can someone show me a refactor build with refactor chest piece?? what backpack and other item you use

[subtle bluff]

Or just use the named chest and BP for prefect kinetic momentum and perfect combined arms

[broken pewter]

cant i use the refactor chest to have more healing to the team??

[subtle bluff]

It isn't needed. It overheals due how turret and drone does Dmg. If you want to support you want empathetic resolve talent.

[broken pewter]

but i heard the healing from refcator doesnt combo with refactor

with ER*

[onyx sage]

with empathic? idk who told you that

[broken pewter]

Yes!! but does it?

[onyx sage]

it does

[broken pewter]

wait i tought it didnt

[onyx sage]

lmao

you were probably thinking of deflector shield

[broken pewter]

ah its on a reddit topic from 10 month ago

[onyx sage]

ah yes, the people who never fact check but always parrot

[broken pewter]

So 4 piece refactor + ER chest + perfect combined arms backpack with capacitor AR is good combo?

[smoky latch]

You misread something

[broken pewter]

no it was on reddit they were saying it didnt combo

[smoky latch]

Redditors also claim they saw aliens in Area 51

Not a good place for build advice of any sort

[onyx sage]

yeah

[broken pewter]

so the idea behind capacitor + combined arms BP is shooting to the guys my drone/turret are focusing to deal increased damage to them and heal my team right?

[smoky latch]

Wyvern chest with ER

[broken pewter]

yes and that

but that's logic correct?

shoot them with gun, skill damage goes up

[subtle bluff]

There a reason it’s in the mini guide if you read or looked at it.

[smoky latch]

Shooting NPCs with the Capacitatatatator increases your skills' skill damage which also procc's the backpack talent for even more skill damage to increase the gear sets healing

[subtle bluff]

Read the talents.. 😐

[broken pewter]

why does the guide use crit chance and crit damage on the gear instead of skill dmg + skill haste

[subtle bluff]

Read the guide…

[solar sable]

capacitatatatatatatatator?

[smoky latch]

Capacitator is my favorite

Much better than Momento

[broken pewter]

im confused because the guide only shows the build

[smoky latch]

What guide?

[subtle bluff]

The other thing the quicker things are dead the less dmg that is outputted meaning the less chances people to get hurt.

[broken pewter]

like theres no text

[solar sable]

what's this then?

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a bigger guide to explain everything?

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit
This shit is solid but outdated.

• You can use Impetus for more Skill Damage
• You can use a Wyvern chest with ER to buff your team's damage in group play

[broken pewter]

thanks

impetus = damage / er = team support

[smoky latch]

If you wanna do more damage overall (including weapon damage) you could also use The Sacrifice in its unicorn version (needs to drop with SH and SD so you can roll the core to Utility) or a Hana-U chest w/ GC but that is not really needed

[broken pewter]

nah i want more healing to others

[subtle bluff]

PGC = DMG
Impetus = Skill DMG whip in turn more healing
ER = Support

[subtle bluff]

Helping your team do more dmg over is the best support

If you want to heal go to a FI

[broken pewter]

i have the FI you sent me yesterday

[ocean wyvern]

Haste/Damage?

[subtle bluff]

Refactor in my professional opinion is a hybrid build.

[smoky latch]

Thx, corrected

[ocean wyvern]

I'd argue it's less than that, it's a skill build with a healing side effect

[subtle bluff]

The amount of CD the Haste gives is soo minor

[subtle bluff]

How…. It is doing hybrid work. It’s doing DMG and Healing.

[broken pewter]

can i run survivalist with this refactor build? since it already has 6 skill tier

[ocean wyvern]

I wasn't worried about that so much as just trying to make I'm understanding the conversation

[subtle bluff]

I really need to rework my mini guide..

So the game theory is missions with teams is take stuff down. During having a someone that heals is nice.

The quicker things die the less things hurt

Refactor is doing both at the same time.

[obtuse shoal]

I seen the funniest looking for group post on Xbox yesterday lmao. “you don’t need a high shd level or sticker build to be good. Get over yourselves”

Lmao someone made that person mad

[ocean wyvern]

I mean you're not wrong, I just feel like the healing is a passive side effect based on the damage, not actually built into so it feels less like a hybrid to me

[subtle bluff]

By no mean other need to do this. But showing what I’ve been able to do on Refactor shows what can happen.

[subtle bluff]

If I could be SHD 600 forever I would.

[obtuse shoal]

I truly believe that you should play the game how you want lol can always play solo PvE but of course YouTube/twitch ruins this

[subtle bluff]

My only caveat to that is that when in the harder challenging Group content should have a build that decent that affect the battlefield well. You should not be a burden on your teammates.

[obtuse shoal]

Which is true because I even hate running countdown and it’s taking four agents 5 minutes to take down a hunter

[subtle bluff]

I see this too often and have carried to often. I enjoy the game no matter almost but the fun of working a team vs having to carry them is fun.

[obtuse shoal]

Honestly I recently figured out the build system and doing some decent damage I was literally running 6 pieces of gear sets lmao smh

[subtle bluff]

Hehe there’s many different levels to Div

[obtuse shoal]

I have my striker and tipping scales build. Really want to make my breaking point now with this god rolled UIC15

I love that gun idc idc

[ocean wyvern]

I'm not sure if BP & rifles in genreal are underrated or just mid from a community standpoint

[obtuse shoal]

Kind of wanted to revisit heartbreaker… but I’m like ehhhh

[ocean wyvern]

I find heartbreaker is too much setup for not enough reward

[subtle bluff]

So the thought process is that a good refactor/skill build is proc there Capa and any other talents all the time to bring there DMG up but in refactors case the haste isn’t as valuable as much so just throwing in some crit stats really helps WD DPS go up since Capa hits very well.

[obtuse shoal]

So I was thinking about an ongoing directive build with that exotic chest I got from the gear cache for the event…. Forgot the name lmao

[subtle bluff]

HB imo requires a good playstyle with it to work well.

[subtle bluff]

No no don’t use that chest, plz don’t

[ocean wyvern]

Ridgeway's?

[smoky latch]

If you run OD, always use the chest

[obtuse shoal]

The one that applied bleed … idk I’ll have to look when I get home from work lol

[ocean wyvern]

Yeah, that's ridgeway's

[smoky latch]

Ridgeway's Pride

[obtuse shoal]

Gotcha

[subtle bluff]

It’s a just a bad chest.

It looks and sounds cool.

It’s a trap

[smoky latch]

I mean it has some value in PvP but in PvE it's like snow in the sahara

[obtuse shoal]

Lmao gotcha

[haughty lance]

Doesn't the armor regen only work when you are within the 15m range?

[smoky latch]

Yup, even then you have to tag at least five NPCs (which often times aren't even around lol) to make the armor regen noticable

[haughty lance]

If it didn't nave the range requirement it could be fun with OD

[rare isle]

can the "the gift" drop from named cache?

[ocean wyvern]

Can, but very rare

[torn thunder]

chargers any good?

[broken pewter]

@subtle bluff do you have any birdie backpack build???

[ocean wyvern]

chargers?

[torn thunder]

Apologies! read the wrong part of the set, Breaking Point gear set is what I meant

[onyx sage]

necessary even, can't use most battery-powered electronics without them

[ocean wyvern]

I haven't played with 4pc BP yet, but I'm fond of 3pc for rifle builds

[haughty lance]

I use 2 piece for my one shot HS build, and I made a 4 piece for the ravenous which is great but not too fancy

But I've been enjoying using umbra instead for that gun

[torn thunder]

I appreciate it! Just got BP kneepads drop with 15% damage and max CHC... Just seeing it was even worth keeping

[haughty lance]

It's good for rifles with large magazines and ROF

[ocean wyvern]

Really? Why's that?

(I'm genuinely curious and interested)

[haughty lance]

Easy to use, RPM which goes really well with ravenous stacks, crit DMG, and some survivability when you need it

Also you don't need to stay on cover all the time with is inconvenient when using ravenous

[subtle bluff]

The trick is any build can use Birdie. We don’t use have birdie equip the whole time.

[haughty lance]

I got that gun yesterday and it's really cool, but the stability on it is so awful

[subtle bluff]

No you wouldn’t use OD then. You’d just be able to use Sadist too easily.

[ocean wyvern]

Understandable, I like the idea of the ravenous but I've been struggling to make a build for it that feels comfortable

[vernal wing]

I think just running high end is significantly better than that gear set

[subtle bluff]

Because that weapon isn’t a primary weapon.

[solar sable]

it's a gearset that's based on the time you spend doing c2c moves (?)

[haughty lance]

I mean if the bleed proc stayed at 15m but the Regen didn't have the same range limit

[cobalt ravine]

Im in school rn

[subtle bluff]

It’d be a nerf to OD since OD chest brings Hollow Point reds from 20 to 50% amp. That’s all I’m saying.

[onyx sage]

not c2c moves, just getting in and out of cover

[haughty lance]

You don't necessarily have to use C2C, just hug it for 5 seconds and you are good

[solar sable]

I forgor

[onyx sage]

noob

[cosmic oyster]

thank you! I have the striker and it is good but was interested in just trying the TS for a change. Some are using the TS chest + hollowman yaahl + 1 more yaahl for 10% weapon damage. I was not sure if equalizer and overdogs would be a better way if you use 1 lmg + different weapon type secondary.

[subtle bluff]

TS chest makes so you have to be firing for 15s to get to max stacks but again anytime you're not firing or surpressing someone for more than 2s (dunno really) you lost stacks. It's why it's not part of the high teir escalation meta.

[lament reef]

it also just has a lower ceiling than strikers

[flint arch]

yes please keep piling on him sir

[cosmic oyster]

I see a lot of TS in the highest escalation and it looks like it was working for some but not best is what you are saying. What about ND or OD for support that is not a future or striker player?

[flint arch]

ND sacrifices your single target damage

OD requires kills. good luck with that in t10

[cosmic oyster]

Do you think we will ever see something in other build types for 10 escalation?

[flint arch]

Unless the devs screw up everything in the next update, not really

Escalation shanks build diversity in a dark alley

[cosmic oyster]

how are you running your 10 escalation striker?

[flint arch]

striker w/ chest and backpack, prototype full red hollow man mask, overdogs

mk46 with frenzy

[cosmic oyster]

i should have bought stock in mk46 production lol.

[smoky latch]

Most sought after build for high tier Escalations, atm

[flint arch]

do note that if you're not at expertise level 30 you can't use hollow man

[worldly talon]

is there a way to match make for a particular escalation mission? feels like when i press matchmake, im put into a random match and not the map/mission i want

[quasi mason]

That’s ur build ?

[smoky latch]

Secondary can also be Sweet Dreams/Lullaby or an AR

[flint arch]

the menu specifically says it only cares about tiers, not the mission

[smoky latch]

That is what I run atm but Toastey came up with the Hollow Man idea AFAIK

[cosmic oyster]

hollow and ceska i think

[smoky latch]

Yeah. I found Overdogs to work really good in most missions, however

[quasi mason]

Toasty is a builder

[smoky latch]

He is a speedrunner

[quasi mason]

I run tipping scales big Alex with over dogs it works on anything

[cosmic oyster]

big al and cover needed, you have hot foot

[smoky latch]

It does a bit low damage in T10 tho

[opal siren]

Can someone help me please I am trying to make a build using Hunters Fury and double shotguns this is what i've go so far I am aware i will need to change possibly the chest and or bag pack currently only 35.1 CHC and 54.7 CHD I am using Double shotguns and the pistol that comes from Gunner for Armor regen

I was wanting to go off of this build https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?tab=t.0

But if I can do this an easier way because i am stressing myself out trying to figure out all the stuff i need. I've been playing about a week

[smoky latch]

And you often lose your buff because you have to move a lot

[flint arch]

I think Raucey mentioned somewhere that it's generally just worth it to run Overdogs anyway, the 30% amp is too much to ignore

[willow ocean]

Ignore the 30% damage because you don’t need that

[cosmic oyster]

and augment 10 echo and prototype glove will be less than overdog?

[smoky latch]

Yeah I mentioned the other day that I agree to this now. I was skeptical at first

[quasi mason]

I beat t10 with it

[cosmic oyster]

by yourself? 😛

[smoky latch]

Oh it comes in really handy often times

More than I thought it would

[flint arch]

Even if you don't proc it, it will only be a bit worse than running ceska gloves like what the Striker guide showed originally

[smoky latch]

You CAN very often targed the NPCs intentionally to get the buff up. You have ideally three other DPS and plenty decoys that allow for it

[cosmic oyster]

maybe average more from overdog through whole mission than 1 area

[heady terrace]

additional work on the build, how is this so far for a sub 100h player?
-# (game never tells you anything about the proficiency leveling up i thought that was just automatic)

[long dove]

what named stuff i should probably keep from conflict caches?

[flint arch]

not to mention tier 3 enemies are the most common and also often are already the enemy archetypes you need to prioritize first anyway

[smoky latch]

Yeah the heroic NPC RNG makes it happen

As you can see I ran this first for a while but ultimately settled for Overdogs now

[opal siren]

Could someone help me with my build please?

[smoky latch]

Post a screenshot

[opal siren]

scroll up i posted a bunch of them @smoky latch

[willow ocean]

Please screenshot your build

[heady terrace]

why it green?

[smoky latch]

@opal siren like this

[cosmic oyster]

were you trapped with trapper or useful with amalgam? what is chc chd now with overdogs?

[smoky latch]

I re-rolled the fugging mask a dozen times and I'm trapped... I think I will rather prototype another Hollow Man. Similar with my LMG

But honestly, Amalgam on an AR or LMG is great

1-2 times per mag the effect triggers

[flint arch]

7 echo or your build is a brick

[smoky latch]

Comes in pretty handy very often

[cosmic oyster]

why brick?

[willow ocean]

7 echo

[flint arch]

its a joke

[smoky latch]

Ideally I want Echo on all my gear and Amalgam on my weapons

[flint arch]

though I want to get 7 echo someday

[opal siren]

did i not post the right thing again @smoky latch

[heady terrace]

how can i improve on this further?

[smoky latch]

You only want 4pcs of a gear set

[cosmic oyster]

no love for paradox? it was messing frenzy

[lone wadi]

+++ love amalgam

[heady terrace]

thinking of doing more countdown now that i know i have to rank up proficiency manually

[smoky latch]

Paradox allows for shenanigans with other builds but it disrupts the flow of Frenzy I think

[willow ocean]

You have to rank up

[onyx sage]

i'm swapping off overdogs and switching to ceska backpack for some time now

still need to test more

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages and go to the starter guide.

[opal siren]

I got this build off the starter guide and i don;'t get it

[smoky latch]

I also have a build like that but it felt a little less effective than the Overdogs/Hollow Man version. Idk how big the difference would be on average

[subtle bluff]

You selected the wrong gear.....

[onyx sage]

i'm doing gc chest with ceska backpack. i'm starting to feel less gimped towards tier 1 enemies when there are tier 3

but again, still need more testing and see which one i like best. the overdogs one really spoils me towards tier 3

[willow ocean]

Choose the right gear that suites you up. But remember, no weapon damage please

[flint arch]

dien using vgc striker in escalation

[willow ocean]

I prefer armor

[smoky latch]

Yeah, more testing indeed. I honestly haven't tried PGC in Escalations

[onyx sage]

all roads lead back to GC

[smoky latch]

I mean I saw Ronin run that version so there must be merit to it

[flint arch]

I have forgotten what it feels like to use a non-glass cannon chest that isn't Chainkiller

[smoky latch]

If you say the same now as well, seems legit an alternative

[onyx sage]

i just run it because i'm average, ymmv

[opal siren]

I'm in the process of trying to get the gear for the hunters fury build thats on there. in this build... which is on the starters guide.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?tab=t.0
I'm trying to get enough CHC and CHD and i am having trouble doing that. which you can see from what i posted here @subtle bluff

I'll copy and paste that post just so we are on the same page.

[flint arch]

Technically I use Striker chest now in T10 but you know, it's T10 so it's like everyone has Blacklisters

[smoky latch]

Bro you don't have to post every single item here 😄

[gaunt chasm]

[opal siren]

i didn't post every single item

[subtle bluff]

Didn't need to post it all. But you also didn't finish farming what the guide stated.

[lone wadi]

Switching to birdie without losing striker stack is nice with that version, saved some of the runs many times

[smoky latch]

Yes I agree, good advantage

[opal siren]

i give up

[smoky latch]

🤨

[haughty lance]

He forgot the pistol

[smoky latch]

OK, ok you are right :>

Anyway, you are SHD 18. Farm for better rolled gear, no rush. Keep running Countdown on challenging for a while

@opal siren

[opal siren]

Do i have enough CHC to start farming for other pieces? or should i keep farming the green set still? And with that in mind would it be a better idea for me to go after pieces that have Critical Hit Damage or should i still be going after Critical Hit Chance? This is what i am asking for help on its why i posted all the pictures because you can't see numbers in the other picture. @smoky latch

[rare isle]

what is a good secondary for this

[lone wadi]

some shotgun

[rare isle]

the nemesis is fine but i dont like it cause it needs charge

[lone wadi]

or shroud

[smoky latch]

It doesn't really matter what you start off with, Countdown is a great place to farm for any better pieces that you can slowly replace over time

[opal siren]

you didn't answer the question though.

[smoky latch]

It's not like you can pick your drops - keep both, preferably with as much WD as possible so you can re-roll the attribute

[opal siren]

I'm not asking how to get to 50CHC I've been told that. and its in the starter guide. What i am asking is when it comes to the gear which is going to be a 4 piece hunters fury what should i be shooting for? all CHC

I never said you can pick your drops but it would be nice to understand more of what I should be Shooting for. in terms of how i get that number as in If the RNG gods smile on you and you get these go for that. Thats all i am asking @smoky latch

[smoky latch]

Well, higher CHC without CHD is bad, higher CHD without CHC is bad too. Keep the ratio 1:2 (CHC:CHD).
You know your goal, now work towards it and replace pieces over time with higher values

[pliant pelican]

does 4 piece negotitator work with bluescreen or should i pick another weap for that

[flint arch]

shroud, mantis, or just use white death

[flint arch]

bluescreen works well with negotiators

[pliant pelican]

ah nice. just got myself this fancy pink version of it. but unsure how to build it. tbh

[flint arch]

pink version?

[pliant pelican]

protoype ain't they pink?

[flint arch]

bluescreen is an exotic, and there are currently no prototype exotics

oh wait you're referring to the gear pieces

[pliant pelican]

i meant the Gearset dilemma. i got 4 piece prototype of said gear set. which leaves me with hands & kneepads what to choose with.

[flint arch]

I am dumb lol

[pliant pelican]

ain't we all

[haughty lance]

"currently" 💀

[flint arch]

the devs stated they plan to implement prototyping for exotics in the future

[haughty lance]

Imagine they add that one day

[haughty lance]

Oh damn

[flint arch]

use equalizer chest and overdogs with negotiator

[pliant pelican]

my luck on gear. unless i run manning zoo again which is just yuck.

[smoky latch]

Why don't you like it?

[flint arch]

zoo is a zoo

[haughty lance]

Is that fox prayers?

[bleak cloak]

Not build advice but I've been trying to get this chest piece since 2021 ❤️ No idea what to do now

[smoky latch]

In Escalations many players belong into a zoo tho :p

[pliant pelican]

it is. fox prayers with 1 piece unit alloy hands. since i only had em in protoype.

[onyx sage]

they have to be in escalation?

[pliant pelican]

proto only drop there sadly.

[smoky latch]

Maybe in general too

[onyx sage]

no no, it's an inside joke

[onyx sage]

you should check in zoo some time, there's an average player with Stockholm trapped somewhere

[smoky latch]

Many NPCs, more potential drops. How is that not good?

[smoky latch]

I get Stockholm when watching said average player's legendary skills

[pliant pelican]

try it 4 people who think they are the main character and just speedrun thru and instanstly just dies.

[smoky latch]

That is a player problem that I can relate to, sadly.

Run on lower tiers maybe

[pliant pelican]

i was :p did rank 3. but i did almost triple their kills & ressing and idk all.

[smoky latch]

Well I meant rather mid tiers

[pliant pelican]

so, should i keep fox & unit. or try to some other fun gear thing

[smoky latch]

Low tiers are especially horrible with mm

[haughty lance]

Is it still best in slot when you already have DTTOC on the lmg?

[smoky latch]

CHC on LMG preferably

[pliant pelican]

yessir. i beliv so.

[smoky latch]

Nevermind I misread

[pliant pelican]

might run back to manning zoo or try tombs. for lengmo

[haughty lance]

What's so special about lengmo?

[pliant pelican]

LMG gaming.

[haughty lance]

It gives 30% LMG damage right? But isn't SWP not as good because of how it's calculated?

[pliant pelican]

that idk i just roll with foxprayers works quite fine. so figured i could try gettin the protoype version.

so current goal i need to get is kneepads. so i can replace chest & hands with oversdogs - chest. time to torture myself #lets go

[smoky latch]

The cores have to be red tho, and Turmoil is 🤮

I can grow a beard while waiting for matchmaking to find players

[rare isle]

is composure a good alt for this talent cause i feel like im not good with maintaining this

[smoky latch]

Use a shield

If your shield gets hit you keep Vigilance but your goal is to hit NPCs before they hit you anyway

Also Nemesis is a bit Overkill, use a MMR with Determined

[subtle bluff]

So tempted to get exo to proto my set.

But effort....

[smoky latch]

I also wondered how much the additional WD will take effect

[subtle bluff]

Exactly!

[smoky latch]

But that requires you to get WD on all items lmao

I have other builds I wanna do first

Shit costs so much time and is so tedious...

[rare isle]

yeah im just using it as a placeholder

[opal siren]

@smoky latch i just got a Chainkiller with 4.9% CHC do you think i should try to tinker that higher or leave it?

[subtle bluff]

I know!

[smoky latch]

Chainkiller does not fit in a HF build

It is ideal for a Headhunter build and you want HSD and WH on it

[opal siren]

yeah it does according to this guide t hats attached to the starter guide

whats HSD and WH

[subtle bluff]

Vigilance is best.
Better would be Overlord BP and BP kneels.

[opal siren]

It has perfect head hunter on it

[subtle bluff]

Headshot DMG and Weapon Handling.

You're not ready for that build.

That's an advance build.

[opal siren]

then why is this build in the starter guide lol

[subtle bluff]

It's not. It mentioned it.

If you have no idea what's going on in this clip you do not want to do HHF.

[subtle bluff]

Starter guide has do striker.

[dapper glacier]

which specialisation works best for a negotiator dilemma build? Gunner or Technician?

[smoky latch]

Oh that's a special version and called Headhunter's Fury

[opal siren]

Its linked in the starter guide

[subtle bluff]

Gunner. More kills more AoK

[subtle bluff]

Yes and it mention when you want to build others there they are.

[dapper glacier]

equalizer or coyote's mask? ND

[onyx sage]

equalizer

don't use ND chest

[subtle bluff]

Have you gotten the full basic strike build yet as mentioned at the start of the guide?

It's seem like you skipped a bunch of it.

[opal siren]

i threw it into the tinker grinder thought i was done with it and was trying to farm my actual build. I really don't like using LMGs

[dapper glacier]

why is that?

[onyx sage]

cuz you rarely can mark 5 targets without being exposed enough

ND's weakness is single target damage, you should be aiming to solve for that

[dapper glacier]

thanks mate!

[sudden maple]

hi guys can you please asisst me with something here, i just killed Ronin and i looted someting with colours what is for?

[subtle bluff]

So you've finished this build?

[opal siren]

i got everything but the gloves couldn't figure that out. Then i promptly got rid of it because i thought i was done using it.

[somber hedge]

i assume youd use that build to farm other ones

[opal siren]

i was doing that

so why would i need it?

[subtle bluff]

Well learn thru the guide how to get the glove....

Why would we put it there....

[ocean wyvern]

Striker is like a bread and butter build, there's almost always a place for it in your gear

[somber hedge]

its just a standard dps build you can run in most content to work on getting more complicated builds

no real reason to ever get rid of it, its pretty modular from what ive seen

[rare isle]

ill try

[opal siren]

whats the point of me farming out a build I'm not gonna actively use in content.

[normal shadow]

It's also one of the best builds for standard play, or rather non-escalation or PvP.

[subtle bluff]

You've restored my faith in gamers.

[somber hedge]

you would use it? to aquire other builds. otherwise aquiring other builds is pretty hard lol

[somber hedge]

i read the guide sir

[subtle bluff]

You have a stash...

[ocean wyvern]

even in escalation, it's still pretty solid

[subtle bluff]

It's meta/only real DPS for it.

[ocean wyvern]

Which is sad :c

[subtle bluff]

Trust I know. It's dumb.

[normal shadow]

Honestly I'm using Striker with Overdogs in tier 5 and do perfectly fine.

[subtle bluff]

Lazy dev forces scaling for it to be so.

[opal siren]

Having a stash don't really matter since when you use your tinker stuff it pulls from your stash i ended up not realizing i got rid of the set on accident So i had to pivot and now i am here.

[subtle bluff]

Why would you get rid of this build?

[ocean wyvern]

so I've seen the measured recommendation and I accept that there's a reason, I just don't know it

[opal siren]

you didn't read what i typed.

[subtle bluff]

Follow the guide again...

[somber hedge]

seems lkie the high rpm to start helps get/keep stacks up, and the higher damage on the back half is just generally beneficial

[subtle bluff]

I hate explaining it.
1st 1/2 have of measure is actually more burst DPS, last half is all the sustain/mag dmg.

Idk if that makes sense.

[somber hedge]

as a new player it does seem as an odd talent to be top tier but i listen to the pros

[slate basin]

The penalty takes Weapon damage from "All weapon damage" and Buff gives it in "Total Weapon Damage" making both halves be DPS increaes due to how damage is calculated.

[ocean wyvern]

That's all I needed

[subtle bluff]

You have half the other reason there.

[subtle bluff]

The other thing vs other talents they only get better as you get thru the Mag where this is upfront.

[somber hedge]

ah that does make sense, thru the mag or on kill

[onyx sage]

measured increase over the mag is 13%, basically the top among general use weapon talents

the best thing about it is the more weapon damage you have, the stronger it is, unlike back and forth and most other talents that don't rely on amps

[subtle bluff]

Something that I'll explain/show better whenever I get around to working on this "DPS building for dummies guide"

[ocean wyvern]

Usually when the knowledgable folks give recommendations, I know it's not just random bs, I know there's been a ton of math and damage formulas gone through haha

[subtle bluff]

I wanna make a small showcase from you and other clips of why we choose the secondarys we use.

[onyx sage]

well you know where to find my showcases xD

[subtle bluff]

And gameplay.

[somber hedge]

exactly haha which is a great thing to rely on when there is SO much info in this game as a new player

[subtle bluff]

💯 I just hate pulling from YT since that bs is dumb.

[ocean wyvern]

Very very true, seen you guys post lots of clips in action

[subtle bluff]

"A picture is worth a million words" well take a clip and watch that is my thought.

[onyx sage]

i'll probably do 0 expertise runs throughout all legendaries showcasing all the best things we have. maybe a good project for me to do this season. will get you all the recordings you need

[subtle bluff]

I want to make some voice over clips just... Bleh.

Effort.

[subtle bluff]

Random question do you have a fixed route for tinkerer master first section?

[onyx sage]

yes

[subtle bluff]

I'll have to take a look. I only have one mostly for groups and not solo

I feel like that section could be a good showcase.

Mix of everything.

[smoky latch]

Hey cool, ez money, let me click on it

[subtle bluff]

Plz kill bot!

[onyx sage]

i always go the same route for potomac master, always go left kill the 2 boxes then run to the back and kill last box

if you're fast enough you don't get hit by any decoy traps

[smoky latch]

20 mins mm and not a single game found

[ocean wyvern]

Last dumb noob question, is MK46 > M249 even though they're the same statlines?

or are they equal? I see the MK46 all over the place and it made me wonder

[smoky latch]

=

Minimal differences in handling; unless there is a hidden modifier I don't know of

[ocean wyvern]

My immediate thought was rail choices

[subtle bluff]

The same for me. But I think I shoot the last box differently than you.

The other thing is remembering to turn off modifiers.

I hate that with master.

[smoky latch]

Identical

[onyx sage]

virtually no difference in my own testing

[subtle bluff]

As rpm go up I feel like handling does something weird. Am I crazy?

That's why I never had issues with measured even before TU22

I remember but called dumb and crazy back then for running it.

[solar sable]

It's in the category "Other Builds". It's a category that emphasizes all the options available. And it even states that HHF is a build that requires an intermediate to high level of knowledge due to requiring a risky play style.

It never says that you should use it. It says you can.

I didn't write what's there just for the looks.

Oh he left

reading is hard I suppose...

[smoky latch]

lol

[subtle bluff]

Lol... He couldn't help himself. Meh.

[ocean wyvern]

Guy seemed like he didn't wanna take the time to understand what he was seeing

[smoky latch]

Was like talking to a wall

[somber hedge]

from what i can understand he didn’t realize the library pulls from your stash and he accidentally consumed all his striker set for stats and then was probably salty about it

[subtle bluff]

His lost! We're still here!

[subtle bluff]

I get what he didn't but the guide mentions you should be farming gear to max your library anyways.

He just. Looks at links and pictures.

[weak quail]

Not many can handle all the things this game throws at them

[onyx sage]

short attention span ahhh consumer

oooooh shiny

[weak quail]

I’m just about to hit exp 30 (72/90) with less than 500 hours which included plenty of afk time, 1678 shade level, one tripled exp event though. Really took advantage of that triple proficiency event.

[weak quail]

Pictures!

Actually it just hit me i have a bunch of garbage saved only meant to equip to rank them up. Might as well donate them and see if i hit 30 already

That worked

[wicked mica]

@weak quail what’s that core strength/ninjabike PvP setup you mentioned? if you have it on hand

[ocean wyvern]

Would like Crit-based Breaking Point be viable for legendary?

[subtle bluff]

No. Rifle in general are on the low end of DPS.

[ocean wyvern]

crap, the hope has faded

[subtle bluff]

Breaking Point talent is bad.

[ocean wyvern]

I wish they would give rifles some love

[urban latch]

Yes it does? What?

[rich cosmos]

It really needs a rework

[twin ravine]

Trying to figure out best crit build

[willow ocean]

I just got to level 35

[subtle bluff]

Context is that the other guy was Super confused because he doesn't read guides he just looks at them.
-# also the person we were trying to help left.

[subtle bluff]

There is "best" overall buid.

Crit is base attribute of all DPS builds.

In the Pinned Messages there's a ton of good info.

[spiral elm]

someone direct ed me to a photo image of a hotshot build to go off of how do i see that again

[vernal wing]

The language on The Setup says “Marksman or Shotgun ONLY”, I know it only procs from them, but does this mean I can’t even have another weapon type equipped as secondary?

[subtle bluff]

Just search for "hotdog" or "Hotshot"

[spiral elm]

ty

[subtle bluff]

More context.

[vernal wing]

?

[balmy geyser]

Oh how I envy you who can convert Lex to proto..sadge

[vernal wing]

It’s okay they all just get crit max rolls

[balmy geyser]

As i'll never be able to do it myself, how does it work when you convert an item to proto? Does it use the existing rolls? Existing talent? Or is it all rng?

[junior lagoon]

it maxes one random attribute for sure, it assigns a random augment and there is a small chance other attributes maxed

[subtle bluff]

k
Why would you use another then?

[balmy geyser]

I assume that it can never go below the existing stats? Regardless?

[vernal wing]

I want to run an OD build with The Setup and Overdogs. Can I run a shotgun and an assault rifle or does that disable the debuff?

I can use a regular back with base opportunistic if needed.

[subtle bluff]

This is the context I was asking for btw.

Opp is a debuff.

Why not run Wicked?

[vernal wing]

I want to run opportunistic

[subtle bluff]

Question is why?

[vernal wing]

Because I like the perk

[balmy geyser]

Wicked is a chest Talent no?

[subtle bluff]

This my question of more context.

[subtle bluff]

BP Talents

[vernal wing]

Which is why I only asked about mechanics. Does having a different weapon equipped disable perfect opportunistic?

[subtle bluff]

Talents, Wicked gives more and does more and its uptime with OD is like 97% of the time.

[onyx sage]

wicked doesn't disable either

[subtle bluff]

Opp ( can't well the full talent name) is a Debuff on an enemy

[vernal wing]

Does a having a weapon other than marksman rifle or shotgun equipped disable perfect Opportunistic?

If none of you know I’ll just go try and test it I guess

[onyx sage]

it doesn't

[vernal wing]

Thanks

[onyx sage]

it just means you can only use these 2 weapon types to cast this debuff on enemies. that's it

[junior lagoon]

love the name

[subtle bluff]

Wicked is a buff to yourself.
Opp is a debuff to enemies.

It read pretty well what it does.

[vernal wing]

I figured it was just a typo in the item description

[onyx sage]

the OD with setup is just a different thing, which i'd talk about separately but it works as well

[subtle bluff]

All imcoming sources aka teammates.

[spiral elm]

@subtle bluffany vid or place here to explain tinkering im still hela confused

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[vernal wing]

For reference

[subtle bluff]

We have a guide in the Pinned Messages.

[last schooner]

is Ravenous considered niche or meta?

[solar sable]

niche

only used in specific cases of armor plates like in Escalation or Raids

[last schooner]

is Grease good for status build?

[smoky latch]

Maybe in a high-end version, generally not

[shy willow]

It's not better than a normal electrique piece

[last schooner]

so what's Skill Duration good for? almost nothing?

Duration doesn't increase status time right?

[smoky latch]

No

[tight wedge]

Idk how to improve this lol. (I run challenging)

[last schooner]

run strikers?

[tight wedge]

well I ask under the idea that I want to run cavaliers

[last schooner]

oh ok. cant help you haha. 2 pc Belstone instead of Golan.

[tight wedge]

what about providence?

[lone wadi]

ngl whatever you choose to do with those last 2 pieces wont change much

[last schooner]

are you looking to go all blue? Providence would suit a all red build, 3 pc to maximise the bonuses.

[tight wedge]

was hoping to do a mix of red and blue

[tight wedge]

how come? just bc of the set?

[last schooner]

I'd run Salvo & Equaliser (United Alloy set). 20% AR dmg and 10% ROF for your chameleon.

but yes, agree with no matter what you run it won't change the set much. Cavalier gives DR based on team members right? I can't remember, never touched it

[tight wedge]

gotcha. what about fenris? (if I chose to do united alloy I gotta farm)

[lone wadi]

yes

[tight wedge]

👍

[lone wadi]

any different the 2 pieces might make will be marginal

but rolling more red cores will improve your damage numbers in general

[tight wedge]

I am trying for more dps

[lone wadi]

without switching from cavalier its prob best to run highend bag and chest

[last schooner]

run strikers

[lone wadi]

ceska vigilance bag and equalizer chest if you REALLY insist on running cavalier

[tight wedge]

lmao. got bored of it

[tight wedge]

I do lol

[last schooner]

fair enough. What about a Breaking Point rifle build

[tight wedge]

sure strikers was fun for a while. but its meh after a while

[last schooner]

or just roll your cav pieces to red cores hahahah

[last schooner]

yeah gets old when you kill NPC too quick

[tight wedge]

concentrated company is fun

Idk what im gonna do with new builds

I do have a virtuoso build I should tinker with

[broken edge]

work in progress

[heady terrace]

what in tarnation is that build

[broken edge]

something something scraps i found of negotiator

game refused to drop a single mask in 3 runs

[civic meteor]

Can someone explain core strengths talent to me?

[broken edge]

at least i got a chest with over 7.5% crit

[heady terrace]

i have NEVER seen anyone lowkirkenuinely run either tac 9 or rpk

[broken edge]

you have armor, you also get a bit of damage and skill efficiency, if you have damage you get a bit of armor and skill efficiency and if you have skill you get a bit of damage and armor

[solar sable]

a little bit of this, a little bit of that

[broken edge]

RPK is god rolled (well damage is 22% instead of 22.5%)

rest is maxed out

[civic meteor]

So if one of my cores is blue I’ll get buffs to damage and skills?

[broken edge]

i know the converted SMG is now pretty strong? well it came with killer so easy

[heady terrace]

i dont think thats worth using because of a slight increase in dmg 😭

[broken edge]

yeah you get buff to the other two you that are different

well max out of cover, max headshot and almost max damage

it kills things fast

[heady terrace]

i cant wait to lvl up my proficiency to max tho, +30% dmg and armor sounds like a wonderful treat

-# game never really tells you that you had to upgrade them manually tho

[jolly reef]

super noob question. where do i see what the things i need to do are to get these event stars?

[broken edge]

you get some every level up, the rest you can check in the event tab, just skip over

[civic meteor]

So if I had two red cores, two blue cores, and two yellow I’d get +20 weapon damage +20 skill efficiency and +20 armour?

[shy willow]

Gotta swap the bag and chest

[broken edge]

i dont remember the numbers but kinda, you get partial of the others

[broken edge]

had bad bags with other stuff

if they had crits then sure

[jolly reef]

thanks! not sure if it's the most effective just had to hit a lot of options to find it. also realized i'm in the wrong channel. been a long day 😆

[heady terrace]

its nice to have all these lexingtons whenever i need killer, streamline, or measured

[heady terrace]

Ive been seeing a good amount of people running salvo, why is that?

[livid sorrel]

firerate = dps, no equalizer chest, it's an escalation build with striker chest

[heady terrace]

i see, thanks

[subtle bluff]

Even then for escalation isn't not BiS by any means just players throw stuff on

[smoky latch]

Salvo not recommended T6+

[amber mortar]

Is best chest with hollow man and overdogs for t10 ?

[inner smelt]

was wondering is there would be better guns that suit the ND Set currently using MG5 for it

[soft crane]

wdf proto gears

how fancy, even I dont have those

[inner smelt]

got it some of it today

the top 2 are just there for the echo bonus

[smoky latch]

Don't use the chest for instance

Equalizer or Ceska Obliterate/GC

Bluescreen works nicely with it for one

Also, are your crits distributed correctly?

I have a feeling they are not :p

[vernal wing]

170 SHD with full Proto is crazy

[smoky latch]

"Endgame activity" !!!

[inner smelt]

time to farm for bluescreen/equalizer then

[inner smelt]

this what my crit looks like right now while holding the mg5

[smoky latch]

Yeah you barely have any watch bonuses unlocked yet

[inner smelt]

once I hit 250 Ill have 3.4% more crit on it

[smoky latch]

It's a crit build, proto or not. So that should be your goal. Maybe you're better off with Ceska for now so you can swap some LMG attachments to CHD

MK46/M249B

Are good LMGs with 4x mod slots

[junior lagoon]

Bluescreen

[hexed steppe]

firedogs finally off tech class 🔥

[flint arch]

dogs

[solar sable]

dawg

[exotic talon]

seems like a fun alternative to vile eclipse

[hexed steppe]

its stronger than vile even without proto, but you have to use tech class

[exotic talon]

i wouldnt call it stronger than vile when they serve different purposes

[subtle bluff]

uh?

It's 30% amp......

[exotic talon]

overdogs only affects weapon damage doesnt it

[subtle bluff]

Why do you think it's BiS for Pesti?

[exotic talon]

the image has capacitor

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[exotic talon]

?

[subtle bluff]

That's a weapon yes?

Proto gives 1.5 Skill

Tech give the 6 Skills for EP w/Overdogs

2 Proto would make it 7 so..

[exotic talon]

my point is that vile is a second DoT that scales with status effects, while overdogs amps weapon damage
they do different things

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs AMP almost everything.

[exotic talon]

you brought up pesti so just making sure we are on the same page

[subtle bluff]

You said capa..

[hexed steppe]

it boosts fire, oxi, explosive, and weapon damage

absolutely better than vile XD

[exotic talon]

the tooltip only says weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

it lied

[exotic talon]

screw this im replacing vile with overdogs in my eclipse build

[balmy geyser]

Your bravery will be remembered.. and recorded in the scrolls.

Go forth 🫡

[modern jasper]

I got a lucky zoo run giving me a full set of ND so I thought why not try it.

The Investor with 3 reds felt like a good mask or should I use anND mask to swap out something else? I am missing 4% crit chance (watch is at 7,2%) but I think it's worth?
I don't really have a good idea about builds and mostly check online resources for what is currently good.

[smoky latch]

Sadly my pieces have more CHC than CHD, Ceska chest is preferred if possible

[balmy geyser]

I swear i'm a goldfish..

We had this conversation literally yesterday.. and yet I reacted to the colorscheme as if i'd missed something crucial.

[smoky latch]

Green > purple

[modern jasper]

thank you!

[wicked mica]

attempted to put together the umbra PvP build I saw in the google doc, it’s not to the letter (gloves don’t have blue core because I haven’t gotten a CHC/CHD pair to drop yet, still working on getting that)

is it ass

even if it’s good I myself probably will be ass upon trying it anyway

[stone python]

Someone on Facebook recommended this build for T5 escalation, walker and Harris chest piece.

[halcyon crater]

Pretty sure Equalizer chest is preferred, and not really sure what that one armor core is doing there. You would also probably want to swap those skills out if running escalation

[exotic talon]

w&h aint bad it gives awd
blue core is weird and undesired

[stone python]

That one Blue Armor core is from proto Tipping scales you can't reroll it

[halcyon crater]

I mean sure, but pretty sure a non proto wp roll is worth more than the proto in this instance

[stone python]

Yeah I agree

[halcyon crater]

But you can absolutely run this for T5, any higher you would start to struggle

[subtle bluff]

Um.. If you’re gonna use Lex it won’t be good with TS since it doesn’t have a long firing time to stack.

You really want Equalizer. A lot FB post aren’t good. It’s if not just as bad as Reddit.

[wicked mica]

I’m gonna assume it’s okay due to lack of responses

Then I will have fun blaming my skill issues when I try to PvP

[livid sorrel]

I'd say it's worse

[balmy geyser]

I have 444 hours in the game.. This is the first time i'm seeing a maxed out CHC on a pair of un-named gloves in the wild. And people say they're unlucky in esca..

[subtle bluff]

#td2-pvp-discussions may help you more.
PvP is a lot more about how the player can play the build.

[wicked mica]

understandable

[balmy geyser]

It also wasn't painfully obvious that you were indeed asking a question between the 2 statements you made and phrasing your question as "is it ass"

Just saying bro haha

[wicked mica]

understandable

[hallow arch]

I finally completed my FI healing build

too much healing for heroic lol

[subtle bluff]

ya its not needed in heroic

[thorn smelt]

My build is not optimized need a better backpack and going to swap to another body en holster. Still i solo almost everything

[obtuse herald]

what armor is good for pvp?

[ashen maple]

None because pvp sucks

[livid sorrel]

try asking in #td2-pvp-discussions, this is pretty much the pve channel

[obtuse herald]

oh

[weak quail]

What does skill efficiency do exactly? Do we know? Feels like a little bit of everything (duration, damage, haste, hp) but i could be wrong

[stone python]

What's the best build for Escalation? T0=>T5.

[obtuse herald]

depends on what you wanna go as

[stone python]

DPS build ofc

[obtuse herald]

It somewhat varies depending on weapon and preference, but personally I like to go striker, with overdogs and fox's prayer

[patent fossil]

Equaliser and overdogs works well too if you're struggling to keep stacks up

Or glass cannon

[stone python]

Do you think Heartbreaker + first bloom will work in escalation mode?

[obtuse herald]

true

Maybe, dunno what it does, never really used it

[patent fossil]

There's no point in building for armour/tankiness in escalation, so not really unless very low tiers

[obtuse herald]

Shotgun is a great option for striker aswell as stacks is based on number of hits, specifically high firerate shotguns like acs-12 or any names versions of it

[patent fossil]

Sure but in escalation you're often not wanting to get close enough to enemies to stack that way

[obtuse herald]

true, but then it also depends on weapon

[stone python]

Yeah enemies are hella tanky and deal much higher damage

[obtuse herald]

If one use named weapon for dps the sweet dream could be an option, sure it doesn't that great of fire rate, but it can be a great way of starting the stack at least

[patent fossil]

If you run striker chest, just pay attention to your stacks throughout a few escalation missions and see how often they're >150 (which is about the point it matches equaliser)

[thorn smelt]

Lexington or Chameleon are great weapons for striker

[obtuse herald]

or first bloom

[thorn smelt]

Decent fire rate for medium range

Going to make a build around the bloom got a god roll yesterday

[livid sorrel]

Probably not Chameleon, it's an SMG disguised as an AR and the talent is a pain to stack

[thorn smelt]

Chameleon is one of the most easy weapons in my opinion

[forest adder]

for sheriff exotic better use hunter fury or as usual striker and memento?

[merry flax]

Quick question but i think in the end the answer is a matter of reaaly small numbers :

What is the pros/cons of the Equalizer VS a Ceska with Obliterate ?

The equalizer got a Perfect oblitetrate top to 24 stacks, so 4% more weapon damage, and since it is a Unit Alloy piece, you have an inherent 5% fire rate

In comparison the Ceska got the inherent 8% CHC but the Obliterate got only 20 stacks instead of 24

IMO the Ceska sounds better since the 8% CHC give the possibilty to focus more on the CHD on the other piece of the stuff, and overall have a more consistent higher dmg ? but maybe i'm wrong, maybe...

So... am i missing something ?

[hexed steppe]

Skill damage, skill haste, status effects, skill duration, skill health, skill repair

[summer totem]

@heady terrace

[heady terrace]

I see

[haughty harness]

Rof is unbalanced in this game. Everything that shoots faster gets better spreadsheet numbers

[livid sorrel]

The rate of fire and 4% extra total weapon damage(actually not the same as the weapon damage you get from watch/red cores) is just enough to push it to be better than ceska

Ceska does get better mag dmg and sustain dps, but burst dps is more useful most of the time

[merry flax]

Thx for the explanations and the spreadsheet, those confirms me that in pure min/maxing the Equalizer will be a bit better but also that overall there is no bad option

[terse igloo]

What do you think of my Artillery turret build? 🤔

[ocean wyvern]

Is it at Tier 6 skills? I'd assume so but I can't tell offhand

[timid fiber]

Can’t remember if I saw someone saying it, but if running an LMG build am I worried about CHC or just maxing out CHD as much as possible?

[ocean wyvern]

general rule is 50-60% CHC, then dump into CHD

[timid fiber]

Oof. Idk if that’s possible lol

[terse igloo]

Yes it is 6 skill tier

[ocean wyvern]

Then it looks solid to me, but I'm not a build guru

[terse igloo]

Haha thanks

[ocean wyvern]

What's your CHC at currently?

[timid fiber]

One sec. I have a CHC mod on an alt but should get me to at least 50%

I need max CHC and chd mods. Ugh.

[timid fiber]

Yeah right at 50%.

[balmy geyser]

Gotta get that clean 60 brother

[shy willow]

Replace contractors for overdogs, the chest for PGC and the mask for wyvern

Something along those lines

[vernal wing]

Is max CoCo stacks more damage than max Striker stacks?

Idc about “can you keep up with that” etc….

[shy willow]

Heavily dependent on context