td2-build-advice

[vernal wing]

What is ER

[smoky latch]

Empathic Resolve

[vernal wing]

Lmao

Was trying to figure out which stat

[onyx sage]

energy recharge, wait wrong game

[smoky latch]

That dude is selling snake oil. Turmoil in groups on higher difficulties is BS

Rather use the Equalizer chest for instance

[solar sable]

or the Sacrifice if you like glass

[smoky latch]

That too, sure, maybe not ideal for new players

[weak quail]

I love shooting a dude for half a decade. Any idea how turmoil works on the event squads? Since they already seem to share damage

[solar sable]

I thought FI buff was when you were at full armor 😂

[smoky latch]

Exactly, they share the damage mostly and have it coming.

[weak quail]

perfect sacrifice, 6 red cores with 4 stacks of bugged fragile armor… lesssgooo

[smoky latch]

Turmoil would increase the TTK even further I imagine

[strong cave]

maybe they like the 50% damage split

[weak quail]

I run it a lot on my 3 alt characters andit felt like they needed 20 business day to kill the first but that usually meant i only had to kill one guy ragers made sure of that too

[smoky latch]

Probably, it still takes long to kill NPCs with a lot of HP

[strong cave]

i personally only really like them in close close spaces or on headhunter builds

[smoky latch]

Yeah HH for sure

[weak quail]

If you have advantageous position and some cc it can be good, shoot tanky guy, watch everyone else die type deal

[copper yarrow]

for backfire full red build, which would give more Damage. Umbra or Striker?

[smoky latch]

I'd go with Striker's

[copper yarrow]

I've been using Pesti with Umbra and the TTK on heroic feels much faster than Striker

But on the other hand I feel liek BF with Umbra is less damaging than Striker.

[junior lagoon]

@smoky latch in tier 5, we just killed 3 rogue agent with 2 people. guess what i was wearing?

[smoky latch]

I tried that build on T5 with a full team, I had to be careful lol

[junior lagoon]

yeah even that build struggles against rogue agents i agree

[smoky latch]

PfE won't help you much anymore due to the high damage they deal

[junior lagoon]

also the nonsense they use

[smoky latch]

Modifiers you mean?

[junior lagoon]

no, the turrets and seeker mines

[smoky latch]

That too but even on heroic you have to be careful against turrets

[vestal pasture]

so for future initiative in high tier escalations,,what is actually better,,because all videos on youtube are outdated
set up back pack+BTSU gloves or impathic resolve +haiere bride back pack ?

[smoky latch]

Do you mean Harrier Pride??

I read hairier bride lol

That backpack does not belong in a healer build - it's pretty mid overall

[vestal pasture]

many ppl suggest this backpack for healer fi build

[smoky latch]

It depends on your team. Some people may kiss the floor more often than others, it makes sense to have Birdie's ready for T8, 9, 10

[smoky latch]

Many people also don't have much of an idea of what is good

If you look at the backpack and think about how FI works - does it make sense to you to run that backpack in that build?

How does this fit well into a healer build?

[solar sable]

it does nothing to help the team, nothing.
It only """"helps"""" you but either way it's a trash exotic and a worse Memento

[vestal pasture]

but you said it is good for t8-10 ?

[solar sable]

Birdies

[smoky latch]

Where did I say that?

[vestal pasture]

here

[smoky latch]

Birdie's QuickFix Pack

[solar sable]

Birdies 🥴

[vestal pasture]

omg,,i am mixing two exotics,,sorry my bad,,

[smoky latch]

No worries

[vestal pasture]

yes,,i mean what is better birdies+imathic resolve or BTSU+setup bp

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

Depends on your team, mostly

I'd suggest to have both build variants ready

[vestal pasture]

i intend to use it with another 3 dps teammates in higher tier escal

[smoky latch]

It depends on how your team performs. You can start with the BTSU variant as it is VERY solid, and if need be, just switch

[teal ibex]

so. why equalizer over striker chest piece? 🤔

[smoky latch]

You should ask the other way around because Equalizer / Ceska chest is the "norm"

[teal ibex]

just because its meta its ''better''?

im more asking as in. why ppl they chose that one over striker chest

[smoky latch]

You only need the Striker's chest when your environment allows for stacking really high - many (tanky) NPCs are needed to keep up the chest stacks

[teal ibex]

oh there ya go. so escalation be worth while in that sense?

[smoky latch]

Of course, it's made for stuff like that lol

[teal ibex]

lol figured xD

[smoky latch]

On heroic just switch back

[sharp herald]

Thanks for this btw, just tried it out in heroic retaliation and it was pretty good!

[smoky latch]

Turmoil is not bad, it's just situational. That dude is just very persistant with whatever he claims is "good"

[solar sable]

"I am a doctor need a doctor"

[slate basin]

Very team dependant, with smart use of BTSU gloves and coordination of team using Revive hives with overclock from BTSU gloves you contribute a good amount of damage with Setups Perfect opportunistic, also note that nothing is stopping you from bringing both, and "hotswapping" to birdies when you need to revive people which is the more optimal but more effort on your part.

[vestal pasture]

birdie is only good to the build because of fast rev ?

[teal ibex]

do you perhaps know whats the timer on despawning items u couldnt pick up?

[onyx sage]

around 30mins i think

[slate basin]

A huge part of Birdies is in the fast revive, the Hive efficiency is roughly equilevant to the BTSU gloves Hive skill haste

[vestal pasture]

and how many/much skill haste and repair skills sholud i use ? i mean is there a ratio or cap ? like in dps builds chc is 60 ?

[exotic talon]

dont let me cook

[smoky latch]

60m if same session

[slate basin]

I personally run max skill haste as I run with people who don't have any armor cores slotted so extra skill Repair usually is overkill, and I like to have smart cover/whatever utility skill I have accessible more often it is very much bigger heals vs more heals kind of deal.

[vestal pasture]

what is the max on skill haste ?

[slate basin]

There isn't hard cap, so as much as you can get into the build

[smoky latch]

No cap but diminishing returns around 11-12s

Idk the exact SH value for that

[vestal pasture]

is there perfect Empathic Resolve ? or just normal one

[smoky latch]

Just regular

[stone python]

Whats the best build for Proto bloom?

[vestal pasture]

so for tier 6 escal,there is a shock mutator,if i use technician my teammate will be immune to that shock if they are withing 5 meters of my skills ?

[exotic talon]

its... not that bad

[teal ibex]

disappeared loot before could pick it up tbh. was exotic/proto 😢

[exotic talon]

though a headhunter vigilance build with 4pc core strength might work better

[vestal pasture]

so for tier 6 escal,there is a shock mutator,if i use technician my teammate will be immune to that shock if they are withing 5 meters of my skills ?

[alpine wigeon]

If I want to use the Refactor chest, what should my other non-Refactor piece be? I've seen some use Waveform, but I was curious on what y'all think.

[hollow mantle]

A question to all veteran players i found a plague LMG with 13.7 weapon damage max% to damage out of cover and armor pircing ?

Its a good lmg or not?

[teal ibex]

what? u mean pestilence?

[junior lagoon]

You want the 3rd attribute chc not damage to armor

You can use it for sure as is but not the optimum

[teal ibex]

they told me here rule of cool.
lmg=chc
rest=dtooc

[hollow mantle]

I think i fxxk up translate a name

Damage to armor is not good for lmg?

[stone python]

U telling me i have to reroll mine?

[hollow mantle]

@stone python btw how this gun works u have special build or u can use striker ?

[teal ibex]

dtooc is proven. several times its the best 3rd attribute to have on any gun aside lmgs.
dont ask me where. vets told me. and prob someone can show it

[teal ibex]

striker. tipping scales both work

imo far i did the digging on that gun it procs on stats. meaning stuff like dmg to armor and such🤔

[stone python]

Using tipping scales rn

[teal ibex]

idk why ppl use contracter over overdogs on tipping and pestilence tbh.

[hollow mantle]

Oh ok bcs i have dilemat i use styga and gold lmg and i dont know can i use this exotic lmg or she is not good in heroic diff with dirrectives ?

[stone python]

60% chc and 128% chd

[teal ibex]

@subtle bluff am i wrong in that sense? i mean some random started arguing he got best build not using overdogs xD. kinda funny regardless.

[hollow mantle]

Overdogs?

[teal ibex]

@subtle bluff can u talk in words not emojis😭

[teal ibex]

the exotic

[teal ibex]

u gotta clean inventory.. 147/150👀

[slate basin]

In the process of it

[stone python]

are Overdogs good for escalation?

[teal ibex]

yes.

[hollow mantle]

Nice talent 🙂 sad i got 2 exotics 1 for hives and 1 droping smoke grenade 🙁

[teal ibex]

countdown or retailation to get bp. then pray to rng god it drops for u when selected loot is gloves

[slate basin]

Yes, but there are arguments for using High end alternatives to cover situations where Overdogs won't apply, and/or making Birdies hotswapping faster.

[teal ibex]

wont apply? only reason i could think of is actual pestilence. due the ticks arent based on that 30% is it🤔

[slate basin]

Specifically chungus about to run team over while sniper is covering 50 meters behind cover.

[teal ibex]

situational i guess. like the HB escalation that is today

[slate basin]

Or some tech being deployed etc where you won't have time to priotice Odogs target before losing to higher priority targets killing you.

[hollow mantle]

Btw can u recomment what is better for dps build exotic gloves with talent if my armor will be destroy i drop smoke grenade or useing coyote masks ?

[rancid pendant]

Is lexington build full prototype better than Tinkerer build for ARs?

[teal ibex]

i mean if u go 2 ARs similar to lexington with same talent and proto. i think it will do more due how tink works?🤔

[rancid pendant]

I mean the mask is exo for tinker build. But if lexi build. the mask is also prototype

[teal ibex]

its i guess a trade of with the perk of exotic. or the augment. rest pretty much stays the same. 30% armor and the attribute stats

[subtle bluff]

Tinkerer doesn't work with Named Weapons

[rancid pendant]

Okay let me set this all around.

Lexi Build VS. Tinkerer Build

🔵 Lexi Build - ALL Prototyped Build
🔴 Tinkerer - Police M4, FAMAS, Exotic Mask, 5 Prototype

Which is better?

[teal ibex]

i think tink still imo.

[subtle bluff]

Overdog wins

[flint arch]

dog

[rancid pendant]

even if we lose that exotic instead of prototyped augments and attribute boost for 1 talent?

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs still wins

But also what content?

Stop adding proto into that too much rng to say it does something or not.
Overdogs is just 30% MORE DMG

[cobalt ravine]

Any tips for a tank build

[lapis fiber]

So by what im seeing here is it saying I need to unlock the bluescreen weapon first before I can craft one??

[vernal wing]

Lexington Proto build with Overdogs should not really ever be beaten by tinkerer

[solar sable]

that's the reconfiguring station, not the crafting one

[vernal wing]

Go to “exotics” instead of “weapons”

[lapis fiber]

I see a tinkering station and a crafting station

Sorry im still new idk if i need upgrade/update a recalibration station or something??

[inland hound]

its at the crafting station

the section/icon with a diamond when you go into it

if i was on the game i'd screenshot, its easy to find when you go into it

[slate basin]

Weapon section in crafting menu has Recalibration (reroll) and "questline" crafts for exotics, to craft Exotic drop pool you go to Exotics menu at crafting table

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages there's a Starter Guide

[somber lagoon]

What is the Seasonal Modifier setup for 129% HS dmg and +20% armor`?

[lapis fiber]

So this right?

It showing this so by this it means I still need to unlock or have it drop before I can craft one right? Or can I craft a bluescreen weapon even if I didnt get it as a drop???

[inland hound]

the other menu you were at was to allow you to Reroll the stats on your existing bluescreen

you need the blueprint

those come from Retaliations

[lapis fiber]

I think i understand i thought I had the blueprint but I see its saying Current crafting project

I was thinking this was a blueprint

[inland hound]

ngl ive never done that option before

[solar sable]

that's just a "reminder" of what you're looking for, a project
That's not the actual blueprint to craft it

[lapis fiber]

Damn I was getting excited to cause of nostalgia if the material i gathered lol

[lapis fiber]

Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it

[inland hound]

thats how you'll hunt for bp's ^^

[lapis fiber]

That eagle bearer though....ME WANT...so badly

[inland hound]

get too grinding 👀 its not that bad

[lapis fiber]

Yea but I heard it could take years to get lol

[solar sable]

that's exaggerated

[inland hound]

heroic 50% chance to get it. you'll either get it first or last.

[delicate hill]

so before i explain my whole situation let me first ask. are cluster seekers affected by explosive damage buffs? i would think so

[buoyant perch]

Yes

[delicate hill]

okay so would it be worth swapping wyvern wear piece with +8 skill damage for china light for the +15% explosive damage but rerolling the core for the china peice, my other skill flip flops between restore hive and stinger

i currently have a hardwired build that has an extra skill tier being wasted because its technician with +1 plus the 6 on my armor so im thinking of ways to not be wasting that slot

[smoky latch]

Farm one piece with full attribute so you can reroll the core

[delicate hill]

but of china light or keep the wyvern wear and farm a new one for the core swap? either way i need to swap core just trying to feel which one i should go for since the main skill used is seekers in this

[smoky latch]

If it's for a seeker spam build keep China Lite

[delicate hill]

alrighty so i gotta get that then thank you id assume recommended swap to red core?

[smoky latch]

Also you want Demolitionist as specialization

So no core is wasted

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GN69iUrteLediJjwFtT9-MBe8HRBgyCHascJtok1Q-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk

[delicate hill]

id loose the extra skill tier im working to push out then cause i have Tech with the +1

[smoky latch]

Don't use Technician

[cobalt ravine]

Any tips for a tank build

[solar sable]

don't

[delicate hill]

how much does glass cannon add over the gearset chest? 5%?

[smoky latch]

We don't usually recommend tank builds here because they're not useful. What are you looking for tho?

[delicate hill]

i looked at it and its the same damage buff its just glass cannon would work for all damage not just skills...

[smoky latch]

The HW chest increases skill damage, GC amplifies all damage

[delicate hill]

ill just swap my 1 piece as a test for now and see how much i might need the damage for my weapons

it amazes me though the things i just dont realise i could be doing to improve my stuff

how much difference does the 10 skill damage from technican have from the 10 explosive damage from Demo?

[quiet wren]

got a full lexington to drop with damage out of cover, but it has the killer talent. What would the best talent for it be? given I can use recalibration o n it. Also, is it better than Invisible Hand? It´s the gun I'm currently running

[onyx sage]

you have so much skill damage that that 10% is tiny in comparison

[solar sable]

Killer is a top option followed by Back n Forth and Measured; yes, muuuuuch better

[delicate hill]

but adding to the explosive is a higher return even tho its the same %?

[onyx sage]

think of it this way, you have around 100% skill damage on that build without it, with the 10% from technician you would have 110%, the increase would be 2.1/2 = 1.05 (5% increase)

versus if you have 15% explosive damage from china, then 10% from demo, it would be 1.25/1.15 = 1.087... (8.7% increase)

[delicate hill]

i see i was thinking the comparison over keeping technician with china light but rerolling the core on china for red or blue just mental math kinda stuff

[quiet wren]

oh, cool haha. New to the game, sry. Guess I'll try it like that then, thanks!

[solar sable]

have you checked the Lvl40 Starters Guide ?

[delicate hill]

Basically my thought its 10 skill damage +15 explosive with Tech and China (and rolled core) vs 10 explosive +15 explosive from Demo with basic yellow core.. i was just wondering if in that instance it really matters which one you choose?

[onyx sage]

basically you have less explosive dmg than you have skill damage

so getting more explosive dmg will be more value

[delicate hill]

so the explosive damage is more valuable than the skill damage even though they are the same percentage values

[onyx sage]

yes

[delicate hill]

i apologize if im being dense... just trying to make sure i understand

[onyx sage]

nah you're good. i would recommend you read up on "relative increases". it's a concept originating from economics but it applies basically everywhere, applies here in buildcrafting too. it's how you compare between different options that take the same "cost"

[worldly talon]

returning player here, i've gotten a few prototype pieces from the new mode and i have to ask, is there a way to change/max out the attributes on the gear pieces? health to crit chance? or the talents to something else?

[ocean wyvern]

Not for prototypes sadly

[worldly talon]

im seeing a bunch of guys running around with maxed out pieces with god rolls, im guessing they changed their normal pieces into protoype via the expertise or whatever its called?

[ocean wyvern]

yeah, that's what I would imagine happened

[worldly talon]

so if you cant get maxed out prototype gear, whats the point in farming them? is it just for the cores or is there something im missing?

[ocean wyvern]

cores + the lowest prototype roll is still higher than a maxed out HE

[worldly talon]

ah

[hexed steppe]

Hardwire seeker, go china glass + overdogs and keep tech class. The 30%amp+10% skilldamage outweighs whatever you gain from demo

This isnt exact since sacrifice. With this season's modifiers you can get oc on demand from the active

[shy willow]

You can, just have to be lucky

And also pretty much live on tier 10

The rolls scale higher with tier so

[subtle bluff]

I answered this already

[alpine wigeon]

Sorry, if you did I can't find your message.

[waxen sage]

is ongoing directive with the bluescreen better than the strikers build? it looks great but i dont want to bother going and putting it all together if its just gonna perform worse

[smoky latch]

Waveform.gif

[solar sable]

what? no

[smoky latch]

Different use cases. If you talk about DPS, no way

[waxen sage]

hey idk i just returned to the game after a long break idk whats better than what 🤷‍♂️

thx for the responses tho appreciate it

[alpine wigeon]

Wait, Waveform is junk now? It used to be BiS in HE skill builds when I used to play. 😭

[river grove]

Is this good for heartbreaker?

[onyx sage]

the main upside of OD is you get to peak damage after 1 status affected kill unlike striker where you wanna reach max stacks. now that assumption fails in some content, and it also falls off if the target is too tanky for 1 mag to kill.

that's the gist of it

[smoky latch]

It's not directly junk - it's just to underline it's not first choice, ever. Rather go with high-end for turret and drone for more consistent damage

[alpine wigeon]

So what would you recommend that I use instead?

[rocky igloo]

help capped at 12min dmg pistol

[smoky latch]

If I can decipher the build in your tiny, tiny screenshot correctly you use Impetus and Force Multiplier.
That works well and is a good pick. Impetus nets you the highest skill damage possible in this constellation - If you like shooting and playing actively you can use The Sacrifice in its unicorn version with SD and SH to increase your WD too

[alpine wigeon]

Sorry about the tiny screenshot lol. Yeah, I think I'll just run Waveform. I looked around a bit and seems like a popular choice when running the chest. I know that what I'm running is one of, if not the best, Refactor builds for skill damage but I wanted to try and increase the repair since it's the main reason why I run Refactor in the first place.

[hexed steppe]

Waveform added means you lose a chest or bag talent for regular skill damage. It has no place in refactor setups, and refactor heals plenty without the set chest

[smoky latch]

Waveform is not the optimal choice due to its conditional uptime and the often random time your skills actively attack NPCs

Also, what local said

[alpine wigeon]

I'm not just going for high skill damage though, I want high repairs too. I just ran Stranded Tanker T5 with another person who was using the chest while I was using Impetus and I didn't have an insane amount more damage than he did but he had more than twice as many heals.

[smoky latch]

If you want "high repairs" just use the chest piece lol

Overkill skill repair, if anyone gets downed with that it's clearly their fault

[hexed steppe]

Refactor scales the repair on damage dealt. Your either just do more healing with the set chest, or you do more healing while also letting your skills do more damage

[alpine wigeon]

I understand what you're saying, but sometimes it's fun to feel invinsible even if you're playing poorly.

[smoky latch]

Whenever I use Refactor I just use it for the skills that distract NPCs and deal okay ish damage, not really the healing

[alpine wigeon]

Yeah, I guess we're just using it a bit differently then :)

I run an FI healer build too which I'd say is a better healing build but not having to be in the radius of the hive or having to shoot the chem launcher can be a nice change of pace with Refactor.

[smoky latch]

I like the level of stress a full FI build comes with

You're always busy and have to pre-plan ahead

[alpine wigeon]

Yeah I totally agree, I just like to switch it up sometimes.

[smoky latch]

Makes sense. Most solid Refactor version for general play uses Impetus and Force Multiplier I might say

[alpine wigeon]

Yeah, I agree. I know that running the chest isn't the most "optimal"

[hybrid leaf]

Tipping scales build... (tinkerer). What's better between perfect obliterate vs tipping scales chest?

[subtle bluff]

obliterate

[hybrid leaf]

Is the difference profound?

[solar sable]

the extra stacks is pointless, you lose them pretty quickly

[hybrid leaf]

OK

Interested to try when I get home. Wonder if my DPS will go up

[river grove]

Thoughts

[onyx sage]

your fight time overall will be lower. that's the main benefit of running obliterate

[river grove]

Hello guys can u have some feedback

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeLeb8_c6w6DY-0qwVuKUfaCjp27f9wrv0_H6g2Ah98/edit?usp=sharing

[river grove]

I just need to know if it's good for not

[solar sable]

not at all, no

[river grove]

This?

[shy willow]

Take the bag off, put on a high end bag, ceska vigilance or something

And throw out the random blue rolls and put more crit on

You also might find it more consistent to run technician with a pulse laser than relying on talents/skills to proc HB

[river grove]

I don't use skills

I just use gun that's it

[shy willow]

Point stands

[river grove]

I only pulse for the blues screen

So gunner fits how I play

Tech dose not work for me

[solar sable]

then youre not making full use of HB

because of:

[shy willow]

Tech is by far the most consistent way to play it

Any other spec and you're ganking yourself imo

[solar sable]

Heartbreaker is useless without Pulse

[river grove]

Like I said it doesn't fit my play style and I use gunner for the extra pulse range

I just got a clip of my whole setup rn

[slow tinsel]

Looking for 2 mates for the Potomac Center mission on Master to get the Tinkerer mask

[solar sable]

LLP pulses when youre aiming an enemy, therefore more uptime, therefore more dmg and bonus armor, it doesnt matter how much you want to evade with it, you're not hitting headshots 100% of the time to apply pulse

trust our word, youll do more dmg if you listen

[warm lagoon]

If you want to use Heartbreaker use Technician with a yellow AR or lmg put the special laser you get from Technician.

If you want to use blue screen, Tipping scales is really good.
Gunner spec. Tipping scales mask, backpack, Holster, knee pads.
Obliterate chest. Overdog gloves. If you dont have Over dogs use contractor gloves

[solar sable]

wrong channel

[river grove]

I have way someone said run gunner and now tech

Like there's no difference

[solar sable]

gunner doesnt fit with heartbreaker

[solar sable]

there is, its very noticeable

[ocean wyvern]

There's a significant difference if you're not running a pulse

[river grove]

I do run pulse

[solar sable]

the attachment too?

[river grove]

Both of my setups

[river grove]

I can't use it for the weapons im using

[warm lagoon]

Theres no reason to run 5 parts of a gear set

[solar sable]

you dont use those weapons for HB... please listen to us, the difference will be noticeable

[river grove]

I tried everything it dose not work

[smoky latch]

Omg that is a piece of work

Idk where to start with advice

[river grove]

This is what I started

[ocean wyvern]

That's an overwhelming amount of blue cores, you're losing a lot of your potential damage gains

[solar sable]

thats way better than what youre using right now, but Technician and a High End AR with Flatline and LLP will make it 100000% easier

I bet you didnt try Flatline as talent

[river grove]

I have the one year pass

[solar sable]

what does that have to do with all this

[river grove]

I play support/agro so this fits my need

[smoky latch]

Petition for the GR9 LMG to have long rail attachments. That way you could use the Dare LMG with the LLP

[river grove]

Im planning on switching to ongoing anyways

[ocean wyvern]

oh dear god not the turmoil 😭

[ocean wyvern]

Negotiator's might be up your alley

[river grove]

Tried

[ocean wyvern]

you've tried everything huh

[smoky latch]

ND is best run with GC, if I look at the amount of blue cores he is running I doubt it'll be a good fit

[river grove]

Yes

[solar sable]

can we see your Nego setup?

[smoky latch]

Maybe later on but not yet

[hazy steeple]

Every time I see the Dare name, I just think of that one Gorillaz song.

[ocean wyvern]

Glass Cannon on negotiator's? Just for the raw damage pump?

[smoky latch]

They put Perfect Flatline on it BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE LONG RAIL ATTACHMENT 😄

Scandalous 🙁

[smoky latch]

Yes, noticeably more damage

[ocean wyvern]

GC is for folks that don't get hit, I'm not that good 😭

[smoky latch]

You will learn to adapt quickly if you practice

[smoky latch]

Have a read:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCcHSui_wM6di2uJMPoJJB6Wx9K-pqbeuWyHAQcJ9AI/edit?tab=t.0

[ocean wyvern]

I've read the 6 red guide before

[solar sable]

First of all, your attributes are all over the place.
Second, you can't use Heartbreaker without a pulse, Technician Spec or a High End weapon with Flatline and LLP.
If you want to be a good support player there are many other ways to play it right
Fourth, you don't take any aggro with that. Too many blue cores are present and almost no DMG output.
Fifth, DPS builds are built around Crits, not just random attributes.
And finally, Turmoil isn't great for any of the builds that have been mentioned, only two builds use it for VERY specific purposes.

For the love of God, please, listen to the advice we're giving you out. You didn't try everything and that is noticeable. You're a new player who's got a LOT to learn.

[ocean wyvern]

the spreadsheet is one of my favorite resources

@solar sable What are the use cases for turmoil, I've actually been trying to figure it out since I've gotten them

[solar sable]

Cheesing and getting Ruin to spawn

[smoky latch]

lol

[ocean wyvern]

ah, nothing actually practical

[smoky latch]

Headhunter builds can be nice with Turmoil

[ocean wyvern]

That's what I've been playing with

[smoky latch]

Rifle/MMR mostly but you can make it work with a pistol build too

[ocean wyvern]

Not meant to be a game breaking build but just something for fun

[smoky latch]

Drop the 3rd piece Zwiadowka for Overdogs for instance

You seem to mix up two builds in one

1shot and Ravenous

[ocean wyvern]

the ravenous was just for proficiency's sake when it got saved in the loadout

but like I said, it's a build I'm screwing around with, not one I necessarily use for anything beyond heroic missions

[smoky latch]

This is a well working option

[ocean wyvern]

I need to get the backpack

[smoky latch]

For group play I switch to Fox's

[ocean wyvern]

other than that, I could make both variants

[smoky latch]

An alternative is Chainkiller and The Gift backpack (or full red Habsburg/regular Providence with Vigilance)

[ocean wyvern]

I've got a decent zw chest with HH, it's just the zw bp I need, but I also need to get a gift as well

[smoky latch]

Aye, something to farm for

[ocean wyvern]

I've always got something to farm for lol

[river grove]

Better @solar sable

[ocean wyvern]

I just end up trying other builds to keep my brain from smoothing out by striker's

[shy willow]

You still haven't rolled more crit and you still haven't replaced the bag

You also still haven't put on technician and by extension the pulse laser

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeLeb8_c6w6DY-0qwVuKUfaCjp27f9wrv0_H6g2Ah98/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.96rmu8ogf3lt

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit

[river grove]

What bag because I only have
Memeto
HB x2
CC
And festive Delivery

[shy willow]

^

If you don't have one, farm one

Although, memento is a great choice

[smoky latch]

I sent you a guide and another build suggestion. Have a read

[river grove]

I did its to hard to understand

[smoky latch]

What is? Or what are your questions?

[river grove]

Im quitting this game people are just all the same

Bye

[smoky latch]

What?

Ask your questions if you don't understand sth

You get the help you need

[shy willow]

I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is the process information challenge

[smoky latch]

Lol

[tulip charm]

Memento best solo bag but you have to run ceska

[soft crane]

Lol what did I miss?

[flint arch]

i hate how this is such a common occurrence

[hearty orbit]

people dont want to learn, they want to be spoon fed information and carried

[shy willow]

Mathematicians hate this one simple trick!

[warm lagoon]

I think they were wanting validation for their build and didnt get it. People hate to not be validated for their BS

[hazy steeple]

Okay folks, calm down.

[grand swan]

Is it, the higher the escalation tier, the better the stats on prototype gear?

[lone wadi]

yes there is a positive correlation with roll values and tier

[hazy steeple]

Is this like, an actual thing that we know about, or are people just running more of them at a higher tier and getting more maxed out rolls as a result?

It wouldn't be the first time it was the latter.

[lone wadi]

well, more of a physical observation

you make a very good point tho, gonna run some lower tiers later just for comparison

[hazy steeple]

RNG in div2 can be really fiddly sometimes. I've gotten double exotic drops from no TL normal activities, and then days without a single exotic from 10 directive summit.
Those dice be haunted, sometimes.

[ocean wyvern]

I mean tbf, how many times do you throw them and just how loaded are they?

[shy willow]

I dont think we know for sure, but I've played an astounding amount of escalations and id wager this is the case

You get substantially higher rolls on average on high tiers

Whenever I do get protos on low tiers they tend to have very very low rolls even if they're the right rolls

[hazy steeple]

I'm already seeing gatekeeping in LFG's for certain maxed proto builds, I genuinely hope this isn't the case, otherwise it's just going to get worse.

[shy willow]

As long as the base build is good idk why people would bother discriminating

[hazy steeple]

Because people are.....frustrating. I'll go with frustrating.

[onyx sage]

as long as you have 2 decent dps in 4 man, you can do even t10 in the average mission

[rich cosmos]

Prototype gear has already proven itself to be a massive problem

Its almost like, MSV did not consider the long term effects of it

[dawn perch]

For std striker or dps build. I end up playing really far away like getting to defendable tall cover seems to be a problem. Should switch rifles for the time being? (And what rifles)

Due to my typical engagement distance i end up increasing ttk due to damage fallodf

[buoyant perch]

One mod on the AR can give you 50% optimal range

[dawn perch]

So it just ar and not rifles then...

[merry stone]

augment tier list??

or is echo just bis??

[smoky latch]

Depends as always

Considering the theoretical values of a fully optimized augment you can do really cool things since the values can get rather high I'd say

For DPS Echo makes sense, sure

[lone wadi]

having one amalgam is very nice for the status stun

[smoky latch]

Yeah I keep Amalgam on this Lexington. Comes in really handy at times

[merry stone]

whats the max level chance for it??

[lone wadi]

2.3

[smoky latch]

Idk, 2-2.5% maybe?

[lone wadi]

I think

[smoky latch]

Why is that not shown WITH the augment...

Like x/y or something

[paper dagger]

Find a rifle u like i enjoyed the "Trader" Rifle feels really similar to an AR and Agitator as other weapon if they come closer combined with a Core Strenght build it was around 450-500k per bullet on a rifle

[subtle bluff]

Rifle or AR?

[chilly steeple]

been having the same "problem" where i like to sit at longer ranges, unfortunately striker really likes higher rpm weapons because they stack faster. been looking at getting a he red core setup going so i can at least try rifles when i solo stuff on heroic. probably won't suffice in end game things like escalation but i'd like to try it (if i can get some of the damn gear to drop)

[dawn perch]

either but the issue is that i play so far back not being able to completely master not getting hit. so much of my tall cover is really far back. Like my target is the size of my thumb far.

[hexed steppe]

looks like mortar supremacy is getting an update 🔥

[chilly steeple]

i've been interested in mortars but from what i can gather it's pretty difficulty to play, do you have to manually target each mortar too? can't say i've tried the skill yet

[dawn perch]

the issue with most red builds is that you need stacking mechanic of some sort and it has mostly been ar, snipers, and lmg

[hexed steppe]

yeah you absolutely have to aim each shot. on top of that you need to predict where the npc will be when it lands as it has some travel time

[chilly steeple]

he red core doesn't require stacking because it doesn't use a gear set

[hexed steppe]

once you get the hang of it, the thing just destroys spawns

[chilly steeple]

yeah think i need more time in the game to know where everything spawns and how the ai likes to move

[dawn perch]

issue is ttk problem there then

[hexed steppe]

its more about knowing the npc behavior

[chilly steeple]

don't know about that cause i dont have the gear pieces ready to try it yet, but it's so far the only thing i've seen that can use rifles outside of OD

[hexed steppe]

you can try it out with a typical refactor or 3 empress/2hanna/1wyvern highend set thats really easy to farm

its a satisfying build

[dawn perch]

the only behaviour i know is that they all coming at me really really fast and i need to kill them really really fast for a red build

[hexed steppe]

😂

[lapis cliff]

Any recommended fun builds (and good ofc) that people got for escalation? I've been thinking about farming out another build just so I can swap between them.

[buoyant perch]

There's basically only two good builds for high tier escalation: striker and future initiative. For lower tiers you can have more room for fun

[lapis cliff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-patrick-49--k01KQPB4YBEVTFTGDY03HT5YAJT

Forgot that those dont work here, oof.

[vernal wing]

Ongoing Directive + Bluescreen

Tipping Scales/Striker + Tinkerer + Frenzy & Measured LMGs

Refactor + Capacitor

DCH + Regulus + Chainkiller

[lapis cliff]

hmmm alright, if the targeted loot is still crap after today's reset for escal, I'll look into these builds and see if I like any of em.

[vernal wing]

Definitely don’t use them past 5, but a nice switch up if you’re tired of the same stuff all the time.

[merry stone]

btw max level augs stack right?? lets say i have 6 proto gear all with the same aug and all max

[dawn perch]

Could escalation get harder then leggies

[lapis cliff]

Yes lol

iirc isnt it T5-T6 where it starts getting past legendary?

[vernal wing]

I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Legendary is equivalent to T5 escalation (roughly)

[dawn perch]

Currently right now. I just try to break into legendaries but my std striker build just does not have ttk to kill some elite units without wasting a lot ammo.

[hybrid olive]

Escalation still has heroic mob ai

[vernal wing]

Probably want to post your build here, and see if someone can help you patch it up

[vernal wing]

I don’t lose Legendary missions or Heroic missions.

[fair dragon]

the scaling, yes, but important to note that Legendary is its own difficulty

[dawn perch]

Scuff build
4 piece striker - red cores
Overdogs or exodus glove
Whatever rare piece (salvo, equalizer with obiterate, spot-on, obilterate chest piece)

LMG: Big al, iron lung, bluescreen, gr9
Ar: Lexington

GUNNER
(On moblie)

Ttk is too long for killing an elite unit or mini tank. I get only a few seconds to kill them before i get shot to shit. I also run out of ammo a lot on legendary.

[runic thicket]

St Elmo is my main gun, I leveled it to 13 expertise. Is this gun good enough to spend the materials leveling it any higher?

[buoyant perch]

It's a really good gun but it's fallen off the meta with the Lexington existing, especially prototype Lexington. Btw you need dtoc as the best third attribute for most guns.

[runic thicket]

i didnt want to have to play the lottery rerolling it who knows how many times, i decided not to

but i also dont know what i'm doing

[hazy steeple]

Elmo's Talent is still useful overall, I wouldn't junk it by any means.
But it is worth keeping it around until you find a dtooc copy.

[runic thicket]

can you get it to drop that way

[hazy steeple]

Giant mag, great mods, laser accuracy. It's a very good "starter endgame" gun.

[runic thicket]

i didnt like the lexington better than it

but i will be trying it again at some point

elmo just has really good mods

when i changed to lexington my stats went down

[stone python]

Tipping scales > Strickers? Or the other way around?

[runic thicket]

i don't think i'll level anything past 13 expertise any time soon. i don't know what is worth doing so i'll save my exotic parts

[warped crypt]

Would getting a proto dtoc roll be better than either lmg/CHC roll on a frenzy mk46? Is it a noticeable increase?

[stone python]

People are soo lucky... I wish I had just 1% of their luck.

[runic thicket]

i got a prototype first bloom, maybe i have the 1% luck

[stone python]

Look its god rolled

[runic thicket]

nice, mine isnt

i like that gun, i switched to it as my main for a while

but went back to Elmo

[wanton topaz]

Id like to try a new build as a newer player (running the basic striker build).
I found an Umbra Initiative and Negotiators Dilemma tech tank build, that got my attention but cant really decide.

Any suggestions or help to choose? I like ARs so would like still run them, but want a more tankier build to try, which is still an easier build to play mostly solo.
Since im newer player I cant focus on too much thing during combat still so thats why i was looking for a simpler build/mechanics to track and play

[stone python]

Is good for escalation?

[runic thicket]

i haven't really played escalation

i was using it to hunt the kitsunabi

and do control points i guess

[stone python]

Do you have good attributes?

[runic thicket]

cant remember but i think i took a photo...

assault rifle damage 19.2% health damage 25% crit damage 12%

[stone python]

I think Devs will certainly fix the prototype system.

[runic thicket]

nowhere near max but it was still really good

[stone python]

Yeah great attributes there

[runic thicket]

plus it has the 30% weapon damage for being level 30 expertise

it was really powerful. my first and only prototype

[stone python]

Yeah that too

[runic thicket]

and it looks cool.

[stone python]

First bloom talent is also good

[runic thicket]

the augment on it was pretty useless for me tho. grenade efficiency +12.5%

[subtle bluff]

It's not a great one but it's not useless. When ads are taking cover you can throw a nade to get them out.

[runic thicket]

i often start an enounter with a grenade but it doesn't even kill anyone

i guess occasionally it kills some weaker guys

[subtle bluff]

Gunner Sticky nade are very underrated

[weak quail]

Has to be higher as i got 5 and that’s all the prototypes it has dropped for me

[weak quail]

Fire grenades on survivalist go pretty hard for crowd control, depends on the class imo. Collector exotic armor makes them really good for grenade kill challenges, too.

[weak quail]

I find it so hard to believe that’s legit, didn’t even know they could drop with a single maxed stat from the event as i have got 5 with none

[brave canyon]

Finally got the exotic mats to finish this

[viscid plaza]

What an AR for my Eclipse build

[viscid plaza]

If you want an easy build that can steam roll in pve without overthinking, I would recommend Hunters Fury, but between the two I would say Umbra is the more impactful build. Negotiators requires pretty solid positioning to even procc multiple enemies, and then you'll have to work with your teammates trading aggro or run a decoy and hopefully burst down the marks you've procced. Umbra is better because you don't have to do all of this complicated gameplay, get in cover, get your combat stacks, get back in cover and heal with your armor Regen. Straightforward natural gameplay.

Hunters Fury is even simpler, enemies around? 20% damage amp for you
Enemy died? Enemies confused and damage amp for you

[wanton topaz]

thank you, also do you have a suggestin for a Marksman build too? similarly, an easier kind. I used to play a lot CS with AWP and i miss that style too

[viscid plaza]

Basically chainkiller chest piece and determined sniper. Hotshot or full high end amping your headshot and wp damage works

[cerulean mica]

determined, 4 piece hotshot and airaldi 😭

[wanton topaz]

what? sweet memories or bad ones? 😄

[viscid plaza]

Its old, but the important parts are there

[cerulean mica]

mid build tbh

[viscid plaza]

Try not to force everyone to play full red striker challenge: Impossible

[cerulean mica]

never said anything about strikers

[wanton topaz]

striker is a great starter build tbh, and i liket it for its simplicity and effectiveness

at least it workes for me

[grizzled garnet]

???

[cerulean mica]

🤓

[grizzled garnet]

@viscid plaza @wanton topaz ignore them. hh hotshot is a pretty powerful build

[viscid plaza]

Theres a build for everything in this game, even if people want to harp when you try to do something new

[cerulean mica]

it is, but built that way, thats not the strongest it can be 🤓

[viscid plaza]

The obvious next step would be to give your suggestions

[grizzled garnet]

its better if you give constructive criticism than just calling it mid

[grizzled garnet]

an improvement would be overdogs and just running 3 pc hotshot

[viscid plaza]

Yeah, and just makes the sense the way you would play determined, wiping adds by lowest combined armor and health

[cerulean mica]

3 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest, habsburg or gift BP, foxs prayer kneepads, everything rolled headshot damage and weapon handling

or just use an 1886 breakpoint build as its easier to play with imo

[grizzled garnet]

have a look at this guide. its by no means perfect but gives a general idea of the build and what you can/should be running

[viscid plaza]

Maybe overdogs, the gift, 3 hotshot and chainkiller on habsburg

[subtle bluff]

Only Capa or Pyro are good for EP. You want DTA since that scales with most skill things.

[wanton topaz]

aahh yes, this spreadsheet... i was looking for these cause i forgot to save them 😄 thanks

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[wanton topaz]

bruh.... im so dumb

[viscid plaza]

I would imagine more duration on status would allow me to stunlock adds for a longer time.

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

I was talking about weapon type

You said EP has EP support?

[viscid plaza]

Either burn or foam

[subtle bluff]

There different in general.

[viscid plaza]

I'm hype about it also because it was a drop

[subtle bluff]

oh that talent isn't reallyworth

[viscid plaza]

Can you ground out why, especially if my burn eclipse's main function is to stunlock enemies on spawn

[subtle bluff]

it's in the guide.

But first off Burn wise DTA scales with it.

But give it a shot. Try to shoot HS then sticky

[viscid plaza]

I generally use FS as my 2nd skill

[subtle bluff]

FS?

[hallow arch]

Striker Ouroboros build, imo it definitely needs those proficency upgrades but I think it's decent

[subtle bluff]

Fire Sticky?

[viscid plaza]

I'm not super interested in the tick dmg as a burn eclipse, but it is nice to have. I've had better results running creeping death rather than the eclipse bag as well.

Firestarter

[subtle bluff]

Drop Coyote Overdogs forsure.

[soft crane]

Thats what Im using as well. Electrique backpack with creeping death cuz often times randoms be shooting everyone but the one guy whos currently snared or burned.

Of course I always prioritize normal enemies over veteran and elite.

[subtle bluff]

On EP burn you Want the BP. It's 30% amp.

[viscid plaza]

Of course creeping death is more useful in a foam setup, but I'm only running that in a legendary mission.

[soft crane]

With all due respect sir, creeping death is mostly a failsafe in-case randoms being randoms as I said before.

[hallow arch]

Holy crap I didn't think of that, I'll try it later

[steady canopy]

All these plus 3 more full ones later and still don’t have the one I’m looking for

[viscid plaza]

I would be on board that its BIS with a burn setup but its only amp dmg for myself, if I'm going all in with burn tick dmg I can completely understand what you're saying, but in most cases in a 4 man group on heroic the burn ticks aren't killing an entire wave

With creeping death I can CC more targets and kind of fulfill the team support role better than having enemies burning for more dmg, but for less time

[subtle bluff]

Are you trying to support or burn..

[hallow arch]

That said, this build consistently put me in 3rd place every time I did a legendary mission

[viscid plaza]

I'm doing the half measure

[subtle bluff]

I'm just gonna put this here.

[viscid plaza]

I'm just saying you can take the cc of foam, the dmg of burn, split it in half and still have an effective team support stunlock build (that does ok tick dmg)

[subtle bluff]

using an SMG in leggo isn't advised due to dmg drop off.

[subtle bluff]

I understand that but doing other stuff to help support your team to do more dmg is more effective than trying to do both at once.

Hence the mini guide and the guide and how the builds are built

[hallow arch]

Damn, forgot about that...

[viscid plaza]

I agree with you, this isn't an escalation build, this is retaliation on heroic when I'm bored of escalation. You are also even accepting of half measure builds because you included a healer CC build that doesn't do either amazingly, but supports well

[teal ibex]

keep or delete?

[viscid plaza]

Unless you like the G36, its gotta go

[soft crane]

Imo i always see EP builds as support. You're not meant to deal a lot of damage in the first place. If someones using an EP build then I'll simply adjust my playstyle to focus on enemies who are currently under status effect.

[subtle bluff]

Those guides are scale to 4 man leggo.

[teal ibex]

why? i do like g36. but idk bout borngreat still >.> talent looks sucky

[hallow arch]

I'll just switch back to the lex once I max my ouro proficency lol

Though the crit rate will suck I guess?

[viscid plaza]

Thats the reason I recommend turning it into a core, the talent is not good

[teal ibex]

yea im not very lucky with wep drops that are good. look the 2 below 🤣

[soft crane]

G36 is not even a good AR to begin with. Slow and inaccurate af.

[teal ibex]

while reallife it is accurate af. 😭

anyway. another core it is.

[viscid plaza]

I know you're the guide man, and you're here to crush my dreams, but this new proto AR will be carrying my burn build.

[teal ibex]

numbers dont lie o.O

[viscid plaza]

I hope next division they are more consistent with these weapon talents, I wish they all worked like Future Perfect. Let me stack my talents

[subtle bluff]

Saving your time and heartache.

[viscid plaza]

Also at max augment level thats 14% status duration

On headshot thats almost 100% status duration

burn baby burn

[soft crane]

We got Resurgence and its a complete downgrade from Div2. 😂

Overall gameplay is much more similar to Div1, theres way too many bullet sponges.

[viscid plaza]

I can't even get on the game, it crashes on my phone

[soft crane]

Install in computer then. If you have one. Doesnt need to be high spec since its a mobile game ported to PC.

[viscid plaza]

on headshot and 7 trapper augments thats

173% status duration!!!

[cerulean mica]

yo thats crazy!

[subtle bluff]

There's a reason the guide doesn't really mention it.

The weapon talent wise

[shy willow]

There's not really any reason not to use capacitor

By far the best in slot for most skill builds

[rocky rain]

What is the fastest way to get 100% progress to level up prototype gear? Which missions/activities?

[viscid plaza]

@rocky rain It is still NBA (National Bond Armory classified objective) on full directives

@subtle bluff I hate to well actually you, but here is one of the weapons you recommend in your guide

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure it's based on expertise kind of levelling so it's kill xp not general xp
Whatever activity has a shit ton of ads to kill is a good place

[viscid plaza]

This has not been my experience, my proto levels are either max or nearly maxed after completing a round or a few (really depends on the augment level) of NBA

[vestal pasture]

please help,,if i use tecnician specialization in T6+ escalation,will this negate the shock effect ?

it says teammates within 5 m from my skills are immune to shock

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[tepid forum]

Anyone want to run the incursion

[exotic talon]

would PGC add more damage than PHH for a oneshot build

[gentle lichen]

well you'd lose the core part of a one shot build

[exotic talon]

headhunter is a core part of an mmr build

[grizzled garnet]

I think if they had a pc theyd be playing div 2 on it

[patent fossil]

It's a core part of any one shot build, look at how much damage it gives, far more than any other chest talent

[grizzled garnet]

https://youtu.be/YSLySCNBwKg

🙏

Raucey grey gear lincoln memorial.

Only HE was hh and 1886

[summer flax]

i have 3 full builds based on the pinned spread sheet here. Should i keep trying new builds or just work on my expertise now?

i need to change my specialization on the striker

[noble osprey]

goood morning all!, i have walked the dogs and am about to load up. i made a HBK build with catharsis lexington and acs w/ back and forth. i am chunga now lol

gave up on core strength set king of mid

[high dagger]

So I got this proto AR, it's not great, decent enough for me. How do I get better proto weapons? higher tiers?

[shy willow]

Yes

[high dagger]

so even mid bar proto would be better than a gold gun, right?

[shy willow]

Yeah any proto if it has the same rolls as a high end will always be better

Hard part is getting the right rolls

[lapis cliff]

Me who prof’d their gun to 30 and prototyped it just to get 14.5% crit hit chance on my lmg 💀

[hazy steeple]

The proto rolls on my striker gear have entirely negated me needing to run CHC mods on my gun.
Honestly, kinda fancy.

[high dagger]

I'm still a long way to expertise 30 lmao

[limpid charm]

Hello! I'm currently trying to make a Status build to mixed results. I'm attempting to make my own spin on it to make it more enjoyable for myself rather than "meta" atm.

Things of note:

• I am running Eclipse Protocol as my gear set
• Kneepads are China Light Industries for 15% Explosive Dmg paired with Demolitionist Specialization for the 10% Explosive Dmg
• For the Exotic I have Vile (the point above) boosts my Concussive Grenade dmg to 1.8m
• My secondary is a basic MK46 but am trying to farm for Gear Shift which I'm still uncertain is even available in the loot pool

I have been debating on running a Hollowpoint round build or for Status using 3 piece China Light Industries

Any guidance or recommendations are welcome! Thank you.

[shy willow]

It can open up a lot of build paths if you luck out with your rolls

Very neat indeed

[hazy steeple]

Thankfully I only needed like 2 of them to do it, since modding.
very happy with using the system like this.

[exotic talon]

yeah but how does it compare to PGC is what i was asking
is it objectively better or is PGC good enough compared to PHH before full excess damage

i want to oneshot a boss before an encounter even starts

[lapis cliff]

Debating on if I should even bother restarting to see if I can get a diff roll for proto and maybe echo at a cheaper core reroll thingy.

Boutta hit 25 per reroll and echo has been evading my soul smh

[long dove]

i joined a random escal and they kept spamming the one with exuro set now i got a full set of it (kinda) is there any build for it or is it meh rn

[shy willow]

You're talking about a 30 percent amp compared to like a 1250 percent WD increase, they're not even in the same universe

[flint arch]

exuro is something you use for a meme

[long dove]

ah so just dismantle and move on?

[flint arch]

and to 360 noscope other players in countdown

[shy willow]

You can keep if it has status effects rolled if you ever wanna use the set down the line, otherwise crunch

[long dove]

Omg i can kill my teammates with it?

[flint arch]

if the hunters hack it

[shy willow]

Indirectly yes

[long dove]

omg that sounds funny

atleast i got free proto cores ;d

[patent fossil]

Ah, if you just want to one shot a single specific enemy then there are ways to achieve that without hh, generally you just have to stack a whole collection of buffs (eg overcharged Achilles, dodge city, sledge, ravenous, busy little bee etc, depending on the specific damage breakpoint you need to hit)

[shy willow]

Is this a raid question or like general gameplay😭

[signal plinth]

I’m not that knowledgeable on builds 😂 But I’ve tried to copy one with headshot damage but now it’s saying - have I just gone over the cap or something?

[patent fossil]

That's a visual bug, you can ignore it

[teal ibex]

so.. why cant i upgrade the attributes of the proto gear? :S no im not expertise 30 yet

[weak quail]

That’s brilliant, and here i thought it was useless

[obtuse shoal]

Ugh so my tipping scales build is at 56 chc and 90.4 chd and at max stats that’ll give me 440 chd.

Might need to farm for some god rolled pieces smh

[shy willow]

Prototypes can't be recalibrated or optimised regardless of expertise

[obtuse shoal]

Want higher chd at least 110

[broken pewter]

can someone send me healer builds?

[shy willow]

Check the pinned spreadsheet for build templates

[rich cosmos]

So like, Im guessing the prototype drop rate buffs got crazy right

I booted up a tier 5 yesterday, didn’t even get halfway (died because of bad teammates) and still pulled two protos

[ocean wyvern]

I wouldn't say crazy necessarily

but noticeably buffed from what they were

[cobalt ravine]

Any builds you huys recommend

*guys

Ok so I switched to dps build any tips or anything

[soft crane]

yee yee ahh strikers

[cobalt ravine]

Ok

[soft crane]

Ok

[glacial rapids]

If I upgrade one of my striker gear pieces to prototype does it keep the maxed out attributes?

[livid sorrel]

Yes

[glacial rapids]

Awesome, I just gotta get to expertise level 30 now 😂

Currently on level 11 😒

[cobalt ravine]

What is a good specialization weapon for a dps build

[chilly steeple]

anyone have a link to refactor healer? don't see it in the sheet

[glacial rapids]

Gunner

[cobalt ravine]

@glacial rapids Thanks

[glacial rapids]

You get weapon damage boost

[teal ibex]

darn. so when maxed before u make proto. will the stats be max on proto after? or is it rng?

[shy willow]

Rng

[teal ibex]

oh god. having a godroll on that sounds like impossible😅

[sinful yarrow]

I noticed Equalizer can give me 20% AR dmg, would it be worth it to change the striker backpack for ninjabike messenger to get that 20% and get another gear set item + strikers?

[mint musk]

I do use ninjabike messenger.. with 3x striker and 2x UA gear

[hexed steppe]

Its in there as turret drone refactor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14

[chilly steeple]

oh thank you, i assume you can just swap the backpack for birdies. wasn't named healer so think i glanced over it

[hexed steppe]

All refactors are healers

[chilly steeple]

i assume you still want to use drone and turret cause the repairs scale off of skill damage

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[chilly steeple]

yeah i remember reading the gearset talent now and the repair is just all around, gonna go set up a build for this so i can do some lower level escalations

[buoyant perch]

No, the striker backpack is 15% amp, overdog is 30% amp. 20% SWD doesn't even come close to either.

[exotic talon]

please dont do that

[sinful yarrow]

What does amp and SWD mean?

[onyx sage]

amplifier, unique multipliers (15% amp means you multiply your damage by 1.15, the best form of damage increase there is)

SWD is specific weapon damage, additive to other sources of weapon damage that you have

[cobalt ravine]

What are some good utilities for a dps build bc right now i have crusader shield and striker drone

[exotic talon]

crusader shield and banshee pulse or revive hive

[mint musk]

well I don't have overdog, so you saying that ninja backpack isn't good enough? and striker is better? what about memento ? I do use equalizer as chest and regular UA for glove

[chilly steeple]

decoy is also pretty good i've found, took a bit of time to learn how to play with it though

[exotic talon]

striker backpack is significantly better than nbb, and better than memento outside of solo
use named UA holster salvo instead of a generic piece

[mint musk]

i see

[exotic talon]

salvo gives you +5% rof which gives you +10% total with the brand boost

2pc UA gives a massive mag size boost as well

[sinful yarrow]

So that means that if I get a critical headshot, that damage is THEN multiplied by the amp?

[onyx sage]

yes

[cinder girder]

what are the best attributes on the MK46?

[exotic talon]

equalizer salvo 4pc striker is a decent alternative until you get overdogs

[mint musk]

noted

and where is the best chance to get a overdog then?

[chilly steeple]

retal blueprint

[cinder girder]

Hyena retaliations

[exotic talon]

that and gloves targeted loot

[mint musk]

alright i try tomorrow

[rare abyss]

what would be THE Lmg to use in a build? right now i use a Iron lung

[sinful yarrow]

also DOFC < CHD?

[cobalt ravine]

How do I get ivory keys

[chilly steeple]

does anyone have the seasonal modifier image? i keep forgetting to save it and probably wanna pivot to something for skills once i do healer shennanigans

[exotic talon]

frenzy gr9

[smoky latch]

This is the build advice channel fyi, ask in #ask-td2-community

[smoky latch]

MK46/M249B and GR9 are good options, preferably with Frenzy for beefy NPCs

[rare abyss]

thx

[teal ibex]

i has gr9 idea 😄

[onyx sage]

that's gr8 (I'll leave)

[solar sable]

GET OVER HERE!

[obtuse shoal]

Bro does a god rolled striker mask not exist?!

[smoky latch]

RNG is messing with you :p Take the next best one you have and optimize

[obtuse shoal]

Noted

[gentle lichen]

not an airport

[onyx sage]

oh sorry mr air traffic controller

[smoky latch]

Lmao

[terse horizon]

😒

[smoky latch]

Keep it, you might be able to change the talent

[terse horizon]

when did rifles become full auto?

[smoky latch]

A while ago

[terse horizon]

yeh, thats what i was thinking

[smoky latch]

In late '24 I think?

What tier is this from?

[terse horizon]

10

[smoky latch]

Thought so

@hazy steeple is looking for proof that the rolls can be gradually better on higher tiers and this might help

[terse horizon]

ahhh ok, I started my division break around then so must been just after that

[smoky latch]

I have not gotten a single max stat roll up to T8

[smoky latch]

Yeah I came back last summer and was surprised as well

[terse horizon]

ngl, i quite enjoyed rifle meta xD

[austere silo]

Hey guys, I wanted to know if there are any ways to improve this Tempest build that I've been using lately.

[smoky latch]

It's a nice change tho but I don't use rifles often

[smoky latch]

Yes there are

The Providence kneepads and The Hollow Man need to go. Hang on

[austere silo]

Noted

[worldly talon]

is there a reason why i cant change out the armor to skill teir for my gloves:

[gentle lichen]

Can semi confirm

[smoky latch]

My personal build I use in Summit with 7-9 directives:

• Everything is CHC and CHD

[gentle lichen]

Many of the good rolls i got were from t10

[smoky latch]

Aye

[terse horizon]

got this t8

[smoky latch]

Tech tank suggestion:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1FK5UVrVAf6figTcEyg9EhxmuX4mL--7eLxyr-QP1UpM/edit

[austere silo]

Ooh, I'm going to try it! thx for the help

[smoky latch]

You can also run 4pc Striker's (not the chest), 1pc Douglas & Harding and whatever else you want. Ceska, Grupo, Memento, Overdogs, use 1-2 blue cores maybe and adjust to your needs

I would not go higher than two blue cores unless you use Memento

Your damage will suffer too much

[smoky latch]

Yeah that totally fits how the game works in general

[teal ibex]

guess what im trying👀

[smoky latch]

Mk46 better for that

[teal ibex]

i dont care i like gr9👀

[stone python]

is this a good protobloom?

[flint arch]

not dttooc

[smoky latch]

That AR is overhyped

@pearl atlas

[pearl atlas]

[ocean wyvern]

What makes you say that?

[smoky latch]

The talent makes me say that

It's good but situational

[ocean wyvern]

Just the way that you lose damage as you damage an enemy?

Personally, I find the amp damage is the only reason it's got all the hype, if it was additive, the gun wouldn't get a 2nd thought

[pallid spoke]

Dunno, wouldn't really call it situational since it scales off total hp and armor together. Pretty general purpose since every enemy has one or both.

[grim bluff]

PDR isn't the best archetype, the talent is the best part of it

[pallid spoke]

yeah, the worst part about it is the gun itself

[smoky latch]

O wow. T8

[pallid spoke]

Yo that's sick. On an M4 too

[grim bluff]

But if you don't have an alternative having it as prototype is a great stop gap until you get something stronger, so it's nice to get for free

[sacred oak]

Copying an agent's healer build. One question, how the heck do I get the hive to shoot-heal like a machine gun?? Is that a visual glitch, or a mod/something I'm doing wrong? Dude was a god-tier healer. Any advice welcome.

[obtuse crystal]

it should work the exact same either way but your build is wrong in a few ways

[hybrid pelican]

What do you mean by shoot heal. The hive just heals anyone in its radius

[grim bluff]

It does that when you overcharge it

And also it spews more the more people need healing

[sacred oak]

yours is the original one I was going for, but the guy had the one I have now made. Good thing I have the setup. Also the guns are what I was messing around with. Two shotguns though?

[obtuse crystal]

lefty is mostly for sledge and scorpio is for defending yourself in some capacity as youre a healer you cant really kill anything

[sacred oak]

why six cores as well? Technician gives one for free

[stone python]

This thing hits like a truck lol

[sacred oak]

thanks for the help!

[obtuse crystal]

that version is survivalist this is the tech one https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/xvJeEWO8

[solar sable]

Technician spec has its uses for Faraday and Survivalist is used more often for the AMP to status effected enemies

[gritty summit]

I've always used the range for general dps, but I have seen recently that it's terrible for finding true dps. I understand it is hard to calculate most situations because of health/armor, enemy type etc., but is it actually bugged and doesn't show accurately? Or is it just bad because of it's static nature?

[solar sable]

also, why do you have a red core on FI mask? 😆

[ocean wyvern]

I think they were just trying to utilize the free technician core to get a bit more damage

[solar sable]

you're a healer, you're not meant to deal dmg

[smoky latch]

DPS!!111

[solar sable]

#1 dps healer bro

[sacred oak]

It's what the dude was using and it was sick

[smoky latch]

It depends how you play with a build

[ocean wyvern]

I mean I get that, but if you can at least smack them with a twig instead of a wet noodle, idk

[solar sable]

it's useless btw (the red core)

[sacred oak]

ok sorry

[urban latch]

I think your talking about the cosmetic you can add to the hive from this ronin event, but tbh I fine it incredibly distracting/annoying to be healed by anyone with that on. It just adds more going on in your face while your trying to shoot things

[solar sable]

I'm intrigued

[grim bluff]

Scorpio is for the damage taken debuff once you land enough hits, but the CC is really nice too yeah

[solar sable]

summy knows tho, she's been here for a long while

[obtuse crystal]

yeah havent been around much lately tho tbh

[urban latch]

Small note but a lot of people don't realize this, the hive needs direct line of sight, not just to be in its range. Makes a big difference on deciding where to place it

[grim bluff]

It was for t'other guy who was asking about it

Need to quote a message for context

[sacred oak]

fix it for ya'll! Just need DToC

[solar sable]

mag size on scorpio

[obtuse crystal]

but dont worry about it oh f i forgot mag size makes it 9 shots lol

[ocean wyvern]

Are there limitations on what 3rd slot can roll on non-fixed exotics?

[sacred oak]

I mean, best is best for a reason. Just started doing legendary stuff working towards raids. I have all the DPS builds, now want a healing one.

[solar sable]

not that I know of

[obtuse crystal]

it can be whatever non exotic weapons of that type can have

[sacred oak]

thank you for your help!

[solar sable]

also, some advice from what I've experienced, use BTSU only when the team needs the OC and use Alps gloves w/Repair Skills & Skill Haste so you can hotswap to Birdies when needed

[sacred oak]

I don't have birdies, just start playing like 2-3 months ago 🙁

[solar sable]

do some Retaliations to get its crafting blueprint, you can get it from defeating Kill Squads

[sacred oak]

Thanks for the tips!

[sharp herald]

What are your recs for a build that works well for escalation protocol (up to like tier 6-7).

I’ve just done my first runs up to tier 3 and I really felt weak at tier 3 (can’t remember which modifiers we had). I am playing a bullet king/tipping scales/overdogs build with all red cores. Looking at final stats I was dealing the least damage out of the group and I was almost getting one shotted by everything.

I also have a heartbreaker loadout that I haven’t tried on it yet (with king breaker).

[normal shadow]

So should the default be Alps gloves + Setup and hotswapping for BTSU/ Birdie's when needed?

[solar sable]

At least that's what I've been trying to do in high tier Escalations

[normal shadow]

But in practice?

[solar sable]

IMHO it's best to do that

just need hotswapping skills

[solar sable]

for T4- you can use almost whatever you want, but T5+ is where Strikers is the best build when its vest is present

You need to position correctly to not get shot too much, the build won't do all the work and you need to know how to play a bit better

[sharp herald]

Right that makes sense. Which weapons do you run it with? I have one build with st Elmo and one with Sheriff & Lexington. Only issue that I see with it is that they usually require constant damage to keep stacks up so then I get too eager and out of cover

[solar sable]

Mk46 w/Frenzy and Iron Lung are my usual picks for any tier

[normal shadow]

Personally I prefer MK46 with Measured in heroic or so, but will switch to Frenzy in Escalation.

[warm lagoon]

I use Tipping scales with blue screen and overdogs. All red. Im at like SHD 500 and regularly do the most damage. Just set your gear to between 50-58% chc and make the rest chd.
I haven't tried bulletking with TS. Im gonna do that

[sharp herald]

Fair enough, I’m very similar to you, around 400 SHD and my build is 55% CHC and 110 CHD if I remember well.

I probably just need to get good and used to escalation and the missions layouts

[warm lagoon]

If you have overdogs recognizing the enemy tiers will boost your damage by a lot
It took me a bit to get use too

Also try bluescreen. Its now my favorite weapon

[sharp herald]

I’ll try that. And yeah I always forget about overdogs’ talent

[ocean wyvern]

for non-proto striker, what's the average CHD stat looking like

[smoky latch]

Depends, which version do you run?

[obtuse crystal]

mine is about 116 chd but it depends on the build mostly

[ocean wyvern]

I'm only hitting like 76% w/ Salvo+Equalizer, ~101 with Overdogs+EQ

[obtuse crystal]

might be because your crit ratio is off tbh but also due to the salvo only having one attribute the crit is lower using that

[smoky latch]

56/103

Everything maxed

56/115

[solar sable]

TS requires 60% CHC, not less. You don't need any CHD rolls bc TS already gives tons of it

[hexed steppe]

facts

[flint arch]

@hexed steppe i saw some mortar gameplay and im slightly intrigued

your mortarganda may have worked

[hexed steppe]

go the prototype route and fit in overdogs, same unicorns

[weak quail]

Black tusk kill squads can drop it, im new too and got if like that

[cobalt ravine]

Any guns you guys would recommend for a dps build

[weak quail]

I saw a guy using ninjaback bag with 3 striker pieces, salvo and equalizer. Is the 50% magazine size worth losing the striker bag’s buff? Doubt. He had eagle bearer for the record and lex

[smoky latch]

It's not

[solar sable]

NBB is never an option

[solar sable]

Police M4, Carbine 7 are the usual picks

[weak quail]

Thought so, his damage was nice but that’s to be expected with all the prototypes he had and proto lex lmao

[subtle bluff]

what I'm trying to do.

[solar sable]

the most dumbass thing to do is run 2 weapons of the same type when not using Tinkerer...

[cobalt ravine]

Bc im running the St. Elmos engine

[weak quail]

My favorite is when i see a single piece of a gear set

[subtle bluff]

Elmo is good for when you're not looking for high Burst DPS.

If you want higher burst use HE weapons with a dmg talent.

[weak quail]

Btw that guy was level 15500 ish

[solar sable]

exploiter

[weak quail]

So ten times mine

[subtle bluff]

SHD Level doesn't make much of a difference.

[alpine wigeon]

If I run Heartbreaker with the chest, backpack, and Overdogs/Coyote's Mask, what other piece should I use?

[weak quail]

You would assume they have some experience by then

[subtle bluff]

Gameplay and Knowledge yes are things but saying it's all SHD level isn't the wall.

[subtle bluff]

Memento BP. Ceska, Overdogs or Coyote.

[hexed steppe]

thats kinda the low average for agents that have been around a few years

[subtle bluff]

I'm only 9k for 3 years.

[silent storm]

"Not fully optimized" ... has build better than 90% of the people I MM with

[alpine wigeon]

I'm already using the backpack slot, chest, and Mask/Gloves depending on which exotic I'm using. I just mean what other piece? Salvo?

[subtle bluff]

I can go lower on the build stats just lazy to go farm for some.

[hexed steppe]

yeah but you did a ton of speeds and stuff in incursion, its not high shd activity. same for agents that primarily raid a lot

[subtle bluff]

....................

[weak quail]

I still haven’t touched incursion and raids, no idea what they are about or for tbh

[silent storm]

Why do you not ADS with that scope?

[rancid pendant]

Pestilence with full prototype build or Tinkerer MK46 Frenzy-Measured build?

[weak quail]

Just focused on my expertise and manhunts after dlc

[subtle bluff]

BP slot:

• Memento or Ceska Vig
  4x HB + Chest
  Last/6th Piece
• Overdogs, Ceska or Coyote

[subtle bluff]

More context to the question.

[subtle bluff]

More or less 4 man raid

[rancid pendant]

thats it

[weak quail]

I hope there is no timers involved

[subtle bluff]

but ya it makes more of the point +10k isn't that hard in time scaling to hit.

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[subtle bluff]

What's is this for?
What content?
etc.

[hexed steppe]

oic, yeah not at all hard to hit at this point

[subtle bluff]

I guess if anything IMO Trinkerer with Frenzy is only good for OD builds.

Tinkerer is nothing amazing other than for OD due to being able to use Sadist with other talents.

[silent storm]

So what do you think for System Corruption? Memento for Backpack or some other exotic?

[alpine wigeon]

Thanks, sorry, I didn't see Ceska before.

[flint arch]

the yellow sacrifice 🥹

[hexed steppe]

can use wyvern there

[flint arch]

i'll probably wait until a day with china/hana-u TL in escalation or something

[hexed steppe]

its worth trying non proto to see if you like it enough to bother farming the proto

[flint arch]

hmm

[silent storm]

I know nobody likes this set but I need to level it up so this is the one, or should I make use of Backpack and/or Chest on it?

Stat page

[chrome dome]

im trying to get the chest armor 'the equalizer' from unit alloys brand using the loot system on the 100ft tower. I have gotten like 100 of a different armor but not one of those. am i doing something wrong or do i have to have a DLC for it to drop?

[silent storm]

Do Countdown

[chrome dome]

is there a difference in what countdown drops?

[silent storm]

just faster

[shy willow]

Are you targeting chests

You need to be targeting unit alloys

[chrome dome]

im targeting unit alloys

[lone wadi]

yea dont do summit, takes too long. do retaliations and countdown. retaliation for pure drop quantity, countdown if you care about getting named items from hunters to donate

[chrome dome]

when i do unit alloys i get a different chestplate though. the name of the one i keep getting is 'unbalanced chestplate'. is that because im getting unlocky with name drops?

sorry if i sound stupid im new to this still lol

[hexed steppe]

countdown drops a lot of named items , youll probably have the chest in 1-2 runs

[lone wadi]

named items are different from the name of items

[silent storm]

I would say 10 #td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

named items have yellow names

[lone wadi]

named items usually have golden/boosted stat or a perfect talent while non named items dont -- they just have a name for that piece of gear

[chrome dome]

i did know that, i know that named items have an orange name insdtead of white text, but i didnt know if you a brand like unit allows has a standard chestplate and then a named chestplate

[onyx sage]

like the text itself is yellow

yeah, every brand has all unnamed slot pieces

[surreal shell]

Sweet dreams shotgun still good?

[buoyant perch]

Still works for the "one shot" talent. It's actually 100 mil melee damage so it's not enough for damage reduction enemies in high tier escalation anymore.

[surreal shell]

Just got it drop for me

What the "best method" to be farming exotics

[last schooner]

is murakami used for anything meta?

is it even used for any skill builds?

[onyx sage]

it synergizes with oxi but the best oxi builds don't use it

[last schooner]

good, trashing them all

[onyx sage]

and also really really niche but used for sniper alley emp sticky strat

[last schooner]

too niche for me haha

do skill builds have any use in Escalation or is it pure DPS

[lone wadi]

fi healer

[subtle bluff]

Mix of CDs and Prioritize Objects.

[last schooner]

For refractor, is it preferable to emphasize heal or dmg? Does running PGC or PKM increase heals enough or should I run empathic resolve

[fresh lynx]

returning player... haven't played in like.... 4 years, since the first expansion lol 👉👈

[warm lagoon]

The healing scales of skill damage

[last schooner]

just add NBB and you're gold /s

[last schooner]

so better to boost skill dmg right

[warm lagoon]

Yes as much as skill damage as you can

[hexed steppe]

well, skill damage, and amps

[twin ravine]

Give me the list of best gear to put out max dps so I know what I need to grind for lol

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet , lots of build guides that will put youu on better footing than current setup

[warm lagoon]

Sorry that was supposed to say skill lol

[hexed steppe]

👆 same

[fresh lynx]

Awesome, thank you!

[twin ravine]

When would I need it still doing main missions I guess and shd lvl 37

[hexed steppe]

look into striker first, and that will get you through anything else and help you grind future builds faster

[twin ravine]

Using that and st elmos

[subtle bluff]

There isn't "Best" overall striker to keep simple.

[surreal shell]

I like that exotic

Been running st Elmo's heartbreaker and momento

[twin ravine]

Im confused on everything to be honest I haven't played since it first came out lol

But yeah love this ar

[surreal shell]

Ain't got high watch level it only like 107

[onyx sage]

imho, i'd recommend empathic for team buffs

[subtle bluff]

A support helps the team do more.

[last schooner]

I'm guessing a wyvern chest or hanna U if running force multiplier?

[tawdry raven]

is this good for t10 or should i swap gloves for something else?

[smoky latch]

Overdogs 😄

I came to the conclusion Overdogs seem overall better than 1pc Ceska in the build

[tawdry raven]

ik overdogs more dmg but ppl say its less practical in escal

[smoky latch]

I ran both for a bit. Settled for Overdogs for most missions

Alternatively 1pc Ceska

What's the 3rd attribute on your LMG?

And how are your overall crits?

[tawdry raven]

crit chc and 58%

[smoky latch]

Well not much leeway cuz everything is proto

Usually I'd say Ceska alternatively but you will probably go over cap

[tawdry raven]

i think all the mods are chc

[smoky latch]

Ah ok

Overdogs and give it a try

[waxen sage]

i need to try the overdogs. i really fail to see how thats better than coyote mask but people way smarter than me say it is so

plus it'll be nice to get that awful coyote mask smoke trail effect off my character

[smoky latch]

30% AMP when you stick to its talent

[tawdry raven]

the new mask is better than coyote

[smoky latch]

And for the most part, it's pretty realistic in most missions

[waxen sage]

which? i just returned to the game after like over a year of not playing so im not really up to speed

[smoky latch]

Investor they mean

[tawdry raven]

its in the seasonal track called the investor

[waxen sage]

oh interesting. i already got that one but i didnt really understand the talent when i read it 😅

[tawdry raven]

can get it from the event caches too, but its really expensive to get it better than coyote

[tawdry raven]

if all 3 sub attributes are red its 30 crit dmg

[hexed steppe]

overdogs is like having perfect glass cannon in the glove spot, but with no downside

[onyx sage]

you wanna run escalations sir?

[waxen sage]

ok ok thank you all you guys, once i get the equalizer ill go grab the overdogs and maybe experiment with the investor

[hexed steppe]

not tonight, im not gonna be on much longer

[smoky latch]

Are you running Escalations?

[onyx sage]

yeah but we're just full 🙁 we're in bro discord if you're in there

[smoky latch]

Yeah

[sweet zephyr]

I have a question, I want to make a dps/healer build but im kinda lost.

[solar sable]

the Lvl40 Starters Guide has them and so does the pinned Spreadsheet

[sweet zephyr]

Thank you!

[waxen sage]

why with strikers rae you trying to get your crit chance to 50%ish? would it not be better to get crit chance as high as possible?

[solar sable]

55-57% is the sweet spot

you dont want to overcap or sacrifice too much CHD

[waxen sage]

oh i see. i was unaware crit chance capped at 60% that makes a lot more sense then

[junior lagoon]

Usable? If so where?

[smoky latch]

PvP

[lone wadi]

tbh not even

regen crit gives up too much

maybe just keep for a nice looking piece

[junior lagoon]

Is there a usable version of hunter killer?

[lone wadi]

hazard headshot for pvp

[junior lagoon]

In pve?

[lone wadi]

no

well you can prob slot it in if you dont have a good intimidate piece