td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

high dps and status effects don't really go in the same sentence
OD is what comes to mind but it's not often used in any high difficulty content

[outer agate]

momento or ninjabike for hunters fury?

[woeful peak]

like its just, should i use this and or that? and im told you shouldn’t use it at all, like rude

[solar sable]

I think the answer is obvious

[outer agate]

i mean i wouldnt be asking if it was

[woeful peak]

these people smh, you asked a valid question

[outer agate]

ikr

[drowsy escarp]

I'll try something with eclipse protocol

[solar sable]

memento

[solar sable]

that's not dps but CC

[outer agate]

with ninjabike i can pair salvo holster with equalizer for massive mag size buff for chatterbox

would momento still be better?

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

Memento will always win due to having a hard working talent which boosts dmg so yes
Ninjabike is never an option

[outer agate]

any better guns than chatterbox?

[woeful peak]

just saying, if you give advice say why, rather than just trust me bro is a arrogant way

[drowsy escarp]

I'm thinking of having raw dps with some status effects

[solar sable]

Look, I'm not being rude. I'm being honest and pretty much straightforward.
Do you want a list of various builds that will suffice your needs?

[woeful peak]

Why are you even here if you dont have reasoning and just being bluntly rude, its not helpful without reason, some people are new?

[solar sable]

A lot of people are satisfied with our answers and many times it takes them a while to ask the why's of the stuff we say, we don't want to overwhelm players with info they don't need tho

[woeful peak]

really, cause the guy had to ask you not be sarcastic?

[solar sable]

I... was just cutting corners but I can not do that if you want to

[woeful peak]

whatever man, i dont wanna grill you cya

[solar sable]

[outer agate]

can i upload a screenshot of my build and see what you think? if theres any improvement to be made?

[solar sable]

sure

[forest echo]

id like to do the same

[pallid spoke]

Generally speaking memento just outpaces ninjabikes and the brand set bonuses you can get, IF you can get the stacks.

[solar sable]

post your builds as this is the place to ask without shame or fear (as long as you listen)

[pallid spoke]

Nothing wrong with playing around with ninjabikes. Just know that it has its place, and it's usually not at the top of the list.

[solar sable]

that's awesome, a textbook Run&Gun build

[solar sable]

TechTank 10/10, no changes are suggested

[outer agate]

i still dont know if i can improve anywhere

[forest echo]

just need to sink time in to max mastery and shd lvlv

[solar sable]

it doesn't need any imho
you can use ceska Intimidate if you want to

[outer agate]

what is ceska intimidate

[gentle lichen]

Ceska the brand set that gives 8% chc and intimidate the chest talent

[outer agate]

id be losing a lot of damage lol

[solar sable]

it's an option tho

[outer agate]

yea lol ill pass on that XD maybe if i had the bonus armor all the time but you wouldnt

[gentle lichen]

Its playstyle is an acquired taste but it's powerful

[solar sable]

Run&Gun playstyle kinda works for Intimidate

[outer agate]

that talent wouldnt proc till i killed soemthing

[solar sable]

and after you pick up a trophy to gain the bonus armor

very fun to use if you ask me

[outer agate]

yea im not a fan lol id rather have the dmg just but hitting and enemy with bullets lol with intimidate id have to kill something, get the trophy, wait 10 seconds to get max stacks THEN i would have the dmg

[gentle lichen]

Intimidate stacking is now very quick
And hunter's fury kit is kill based so you don't really get the ball rolling until you build up kills and maintain them

[solar sable]

Intimidate lasts for 10 seconds not after IIRC

[outer agate]

yea but only for when i get the tophy lol

[solar sable]

welp, keep Oblit then, it's so much fun

[outer agate]

yee

any better options than chatter box?

[solar sable]

you won't believe my answer
Backfire

[outer agate]

i mean yea but i would need to stack hazard protection lol

[next dawn]

But lady death

[gentle lichen]

You just need to reload at first like 3 times and you become immune

And when on max stacks you don't get bled from reloading

[shy willow]

😬

[woeful peak]

ig i must fall in the meta so people dont regard me as dog

heart breaker it is

[outer agate]

without hazard protection mods?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[next dawn]

Dont shame me for using lady death.

[woeful peak]

No shame here! Rock what you wanna!

[next dawn]

This man gets it

[outer agate]

that shouldnt be possible lol

[gentle lichen]

As long as lady death can 1 mag an elite it can be nice
Problem is running around enemies to stack it instead of shooting

[woeful peak]

I get the pain, I’m just trying to get advice on should i get ouroboros or not.

[shy willow]

If you wanna run it nobody is gonna stop you but saying it's better than chatter is diabolical 😭

[gentle lichen]

It's mechanically like that

[shy willow]

You bleed on stack gain so if you have max stacks you're not gaining any

[gentle lichen]

It used to be really good
Like top burst but now it's decent but not like its prime

[next dawn]

Ouroboros is chill

[outer agate]

oooooh ok

[onyx sage]

i mean it's not bad at all, just get it

[outer agate]

is it better than chatterbox? for hunters fury

[next dawn]

Never said it was better lol

[shy willow]

It's worth having one of every exotic for collection/if they decide to revive it

I mean ouro is pretty good still for not having a talent

[onyx sage]

it's mostly used in prolonged fights but it is really good in those

[woeful peak]

Thank you all for solid advice, rather than say dont use umbra

[shy willow]

If you have plenty of stuff to shoot yeah

But chatter is more fun with the rof buff and reload on kill

[gentle lichen]

Umbra is one of those pvp sets i forget to unequip when doing pve and have no problem using it there

[woeful peak]

Oh? its pvp?!?!

[gentle lichen]

It even had a nice buff a while back making it give 40% rpm and 120% chd with chest in pve

[onyx sage]

it's mostly relevant for pvp yeah

[woeful peak]

I see…

[outer agate]

yea

[shy willow]

Ultimately up to your preference

[woeful peak]

I appreciate that can i show you my build and can you give me tips on how to tune it more for pvp?

[onyx sage]

ask NB for that, also for pvp specific guidance you might wanna hit #td2-pvp-discussions

[woeful peak]

thank you

[gentle lichen]

Ninja cap umbra is still quite popular
the new meta slop is core strength and its setup has no difference between it and umbra

[woeful peak]

ive seen the nightmare core strength pvp builds running the dz

[solar sable]

ninjacap slop? is it like AI slop? 😄 ||ik what it is||

[solar sable]

WHAT IS THAT

[next dawn]

Why....

[onyx sage]

i still have it

[void gyro]

Is it even worth doing a measured assembly build or should i just wait till tomorrow for targeted loot to reset

[solar sable]

it needs more... juice

[next dawn]

Can you add more slop?

[buoyant perch]

core strength backpack

[woeful peak]

lmao

[gentle lichen]

We have found it
A bag more useless than ninjabike

[next dawn]

Got to add the cooler and sliegher

[livid mica]

If I'm looking for a specific named armor (salvo), should I run holsters or UA for targeted loot

[next dawn]

UA for targeted loot

[shut oriole]

if i have Tinkers mask equipped and a shotgun with Pummel for my secondary (3 consec kills = refill mag + 40% dmg boost for 10s), can the Pummel effect be used on my primary assault rifle?

[gentle lichen]

the weapon type has to be the same in order for tinkerer to work

[next dawn]

Also can't be named or an exotic

[shut oriole]

damn 😔 ty

[mild flame]

any particular builds that shine for taking a stab at escalation solo up to about T3ish?

i've completed white oak a couple times now with the hybrid CS skill build. Was just wondering if something like striker or TS would be faster and more efficient, but wasn't sure how much damage i'd be able to take with those being solo. I have a Striker and TS fully optimized though.

[subtle bluff]

Whatever works you tbh.

[next dawn]

Chow I can feel it in your bones

[outer agate]

if im using backfire hunters fury, should i be running all blue cores?

[urban latch]

you really want all red strikers for escalation. basically anything else (other than FI for healing) is trolling the group. Obliterate for lower tiers, higher ones you want striker chest

[next dawn]

Nein

[outer agate]

how come? how many blues or reds should i be using

[urban latch]

just run a normal striker build, no haz pro or armor cores

[outer agate]

im not using strikers lol im using hunters fury

[urban latch]

same logic

[subtle bluff]

You can use HF but you lose all the power from HF by going blue.

HF give AoK so not reason to go blue.

[next dawn]

Hunter fury ability works off from kills, you can do 4/2 ratio for red and blue cores but I would suggest memento if you want survivability

[outer agate]

im sitting with 4 blues and one skill tier with momento and im still hitting 1.2mil per shot with backfir

[subtle bluff]

After 100 stack of BF?

[outer agate]

yes lol im hitting 1.1-1.2mil per shot with headshots with 100 bf stacks

[subtle bluff]

LOL HS...

[next dawn]

Hs..

[subtle bluff]

You can see I'm doing over a mill and body shot not even stack allt he way..

[shy willow]

The average headshot of a player is really low

So taking hsd as par for the course isn't the best metric

[subtle bluff]

or this doesn't having stacks...

[outer agate]

i mean im just asking questions no need to be rude

[mild flame]

Oh i agree with groups, but i was curious from a solo standpoint

[urban latch]

same answer

you can get through with other builds, but strikers is pretty objectively the clear favorite for escalation

[shy willow]

There's more leniency at lower tiers but as you go higher you really need the single target damage

[mild flame]

fair enough. honestly, i'd rather run strikers, but wasn't sure how much damage i could take with only 1.2 armor running solo as the tiers get higher

[shy willow]

Armour is pretty much meaningless in escalation because of how much incoming damage you take

[urban latch]

you want full red, blue cores literally only make things harder

[shy willow]

It's like having blacklisters incoming damage permanently

[summer flax]

Hey its me again. So i got my first prototype weapon from the event loot box. its already at expertise 30. Did i hit the jackpot?

[mild flame]

ok. so consider a healing skill and a decoy?

[urban latch]

you survive in escalation by learning how to use body high cover to get good lines of sight on single targets and block line of sight to everything else your not shooting at

[shy willow]

Depends on weapon and rolls

[next dawn]

No all prototype are level 30 expertise

[summer flax]

its kind mid idk

[earnest pendant]

Anyone know if there’s a chart that compares strikers dps to tipping scales

[shy willow]

Reviver and a utility skill so decoy, sticky emp, crusader

[mild flame]

look closer at the numbers

[outer agate]

so how many blue cores and red cores should i be running then

[next dawn]

It's not that good

[urban latch]

your missing dtooc and whats the talent? just because its proto doesnt mean its better than what you already have

[earnest pendant]

I assume that’s the first bloom

[summer flax]

yes

[shy willow]

Depending on what you're already running it might be salvageable with a decent talent

[earnest pendant]

Honestly the gun’s kinda mid, it’s not really special

[next dawn]

Eh first bloom with chc is salvageable

[earnest pendant]

But if it’s better than what you got then go ahead and rock it

[summer flax]

i see. i thought i got mad lucky so thats why i came asked. I just finished my TS build with LMGs. Ill stash it until i make up my mind on my 2nd build. thanks for your help!

[soft crane]

How much skill haste do I need for my CC build? Currently sitting at 97%

[earnest pendant]

Striker’s with crit works for it

[shy willow]

I mean you did, it's a very rare drop, just not perfect unfortunately

[summer flax]

well i kinda got 2 back to back. same thing but ok im very happy

[summer flax]

alright. thats my next target then

[shy willow]

Throw status effects on everything and skill haste wherever you can't have status effects, if you've done that already it's good enough

[next dawn]

this is perfect first bloom

[earnest pendant]

Lacking on the health damage

[soft crane]

Pardon?

[whole willow]

best build to pair with st elmo?

[soft crane]

yee yee ahh strikers

[summer flax]

i see. ill keep an eye out

[whole willow]

thanks

[shy willow]

Status effects on rolls, skill haste on second roll (if high end) and on mods

[outer agate]

so how many blue cores and red cores should i be running then

[earnest pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553520755103760385/1496183627728424970/s1n927s.png?ex=69ee3b16&is=69ece996&hm=4fc743392a765a58c6d7147b101ddfab2e5db9317f557a257c03e7eb5a483a6a& I pulled this one on the first day update dropped

[next dawn]

For HF 6 red cores

[soft crane]

Oh like this?

[shy willow]

Yes

[soft crane]

agghh so bright!

[shy willow]

HOLY CONTRASTTTT

[earnest pendant]

HDR

[next dawn]

My eyes

[outer agate]

then my shield wouldnt survive lol

[shy willow]

The crusader is a buffer it's not really meant to be mobile cover

You just pull it out to make peeking safer and allat

[outer agate]

so hunters fury isnt meant to be in their faces?

[smoky latch]

It is

Dope spawn control

[outer agate]

if im all 6 red cores, the shield gets destroyed in seconds

[smoky latch]

But to be effective with it run all red

[soft crane]

Billions must run 6 Red Cores now!!!

[smoky latch]

F the shield, use cover and don't forget about the gear set talent

[outer agate]

so how do i be in their faces AND be in cover?

[smoky latch]

Otherwise why would you run HF?

[next dawn]

You are ignoring the fact that HF disoriented per kill

[shy willow]

Door police

[smoky latch]

If you don't have cover just in their faces and let the confuse effect handle the rest

[urban latch]

use cover without using the cover system

[outer agate]

yea but the disorient range is short without the backpack

[smoky latch]

It's good enough and works well

[smoky latch]

Well said

[outer agate]

im so confused

[next dawn]

The base range without backpack is already very good

[outer agate]

how do you use cover without using the cover system

[shy willow]

technique where you can peek around corners on tall cover without exposing yourself to enemies

[urban latch]

☝️

[shy willow]

There's a diagram for this somewhere it's an actual tactic in cqb

[urban latch]

same logic

[outer agate]

so you get in their face by hiding behind cover?

[urban latch]

striker/crusader shield is also very useful

[solar sable]

#td2-build-advice message

[shy willow]

I have a clip somewhere

[smoky latch]

Coming in clutch here

[solar sable]

it's buried somewhere

[outer agate]

bc since im using an smg i cant use range effectively lol

so i have to be out of cover and up close to hit them

[smoky latch]

Best scenario is you know the enemy spawns and wait at the door :p

[outer agate]

but if im all red cores i get shredded with no shield lol

[shy willow]

Like this

[smoky latch]

You can use a shield but only as last resort. Once you start killing an NPC and they get confused you already won

[shy willow]

Hunter can't get me

[subtle bluff]

You can see that you don't need it from the clip I posted.

[solar sable]

I just got home from a haircut lol

[outer agate]

what clip

[smoky latch]

Bit late for that but OK

[solar sable]

your message made me think of the Lebron image of him shooting from the moon

[solar sable]

peak average gameplay

[shy willow]

The legend

[solar sable]

I want to ragebait someone

where is corrupt

[next dawn]

He's not on atm

[outer agate]

i alrdy get the whole cover thing. i just feel like im going to die way too quick with being all red cores

[smoky latch]

Idk why I keep prototyping Lexingtons, I only get AR damage anyway...

[solar sable]

uhhh why did raucey's message get nuked?

[hazy steeple]

Rule 4, can't post your own links.

[next dawn]

The best defense is offensive also you should try it out first

[subtle bluff]

Ya I forgot that..

[smoky latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNtU3BIEkhM&t=4s

Re-post of his clip

[outer agate]

where can i test it at? i cant do the firing range bc you cant get memento stacks in there

[shy willow]

The field

[next dawn]

Lincoln memorial is is a good spot

[shy willow]

Try Lincoln memorial and get a feel for it

[solar sable]

inf is just an undercover raucey

[smoky latch]

Shhh

[next dawn]

Shhh don't tell anyone

[hazy steeple]

I found Raucey's PC account yesterday, so I'm 1 step closer to discovering the truth.

[urban latch]

what?

[hazy steeple]

A user with the name "raucey". Made me do a double-take.

[urban latch]

👀

[outer agate]

yea i died lol

[smoky latch]

Practice

[shy willow]

I feel like this is a playstyle issue

Just takes practice

[next dawn]

Take it slow

[subtle bluff]

You can see the build helps, but understand how LoS works and what you need to target down is more important

[outer agate]

wats los

[next dawn]

Love the random discord ping

[next dawn]

Line of sight

[subtle bluff]

How raw and one shot I use to make clips from.

Now I mute everything but I never thought of it beforehand.

Both my striker clips you can see that I make a silly mistake at the start

[outer agate]

idk if it matters but im only expertise 9

[next dawn]

No

Minimal impact

[subtle bluff]

Both clips posted above have no exp in them.

[outer agate]

ok then im not sure how im messing up then

i always thought hunters fury was in your face and use a shield build

[next dawn]

It's is a in your face type thing. I think the issue is that you are hard wired to sheilds give banshee pulse a try and see if that helps

[subtle bluff]

I forgot no exp too... but ya..

[outer agate]

id have to get rid of either reviver or shield

[subtle bluff]

Trying to tank bullets shots is not the way.

[next dawn]

Get rid of the shield imo I think it's holding you back

[outer agate]

i also dont play solo im usually with friends which wont help lol

[subtle bluff]

I mean you can have it just have to remember it's will and can break.

[outer agate]

have wat lol im talking about having ppl in my group scales enemies higher

[next dawn]

Chow talking bout the shield

[urban latch]

crusader/striker shield is arguably the strongest skill in the game, its very very good

[subtle bluff]

Higher scaling...

[outer agate]

yep. i died again too

i cant figure this out

[next dawn]

just trial and error

[outer agate]

idk if it matters but im on console

[subtle bluff]

All of your blue doesn't help you do enough dmg

[lucid night]

Finally got full echo set. I play mostly solo.

[junior lagoon]

this build wipes the floor with kitsune, ronin, any elite. just face tank no need to cover etc.. do not try elsewhere. intimidate - adrenaline rush

courtesy of @smoky latch

[hazy steeple]

They're just Hunters. Foam, then shoot them in the face.

[outer agate]

when i try to foam the ronin it doesnt work

[hazy steeple]

Practice on the Hunters at the start/end of Countdown.

If they're in the process of rolling out of the way, it'll avoid it. Like you can.
Just think of them as Agents in how they move. Sorta like Rogues.

[outer agate]

i shoot the foam when theyre standing still. it just falls off and does nothing

me and a buddy have tried and it does the same thing

[outer agate]

i swapped all my blue cores to red cores

[hazy steeple]

Weird, because I've definitely done it before and it was fine.
Maybe it's a Skill Tier thing.

[outer agate]

not sure lol im usually using my eclipse protocol build when doing it

[smoky latch]

Some Ronin are immune to status effects

[smoky latch]

The template originally comes from Prod

[hazy steeple]

If it's a weird build that works stupidly well, you can pretty much assume that it's Prod'.

[torn sparrow]

i plan to build the harvest pistol with determined and chain killer, what the priority stats ? do i need crit or just max headshot dmg ?

[smoky latch]

I don't use PfE builds much but I wanna swap the backpack to sth more useful. 1% Regen is kinda useless

[junior lagoon]

how about matador?

[smoky latch]

Yeah that's what I currently use

Damn weapon mod bug form prototyping...

[junior lagoon]

blue core matador. @flint arch would be so proud

[smoky latch]

God roll took long enough to get

[fleet gulch]

Just wondering, are Eagle Grasp and Spot On considered usable?

[smoky latch]

Nah

[junior lagoon]

i have one with headshot and chc. can do the job i think

[smoky latch]

Eagle's probably a bit more than Spot-On

[fleet gulch]

I'm brainstorming a Sheriff build and wondering if I could use one of the two.

[smoky latch]

Sheriff is a good secondary but I would not try to build around it

[shy willow]

Busted shotgun but reloads too slow to be good as a primary without modifiers

[fleet gulch]

Perhaps not, but for me at least it's fun to use.

[smoky latch]

Sure, give it a try. You will quickly notice how endlessly long the reload feels (for a primary)

[fleet gulch]

I've definitely noticed, but it feels pretty good otherwise.

[smoky latch]

I'd pair it with an AR

Striker's, surprise, surprise

[fleet gulch]

Heck I think I like Sheriff with Strikers more than my usual Strikers primary (St. Elmo).

[smoky latch]

The 15% WH from Striker's comes in nicely to reduce the reload time a bit

[fleet gulch]

For the pairing, I was honestly considering maybe Interchange that new SMG

[smoky latch]

Throw the base talent on an AR I'd say

[wicked mica]

a friend of mine who is mostly new to the game wants to make a tank build and I have no idea what’s good for it, what’s a good one that can be relatively easily obtained

[soft crane]

Thats the neat part, you dont. Tank is useless outside Wooden Horse.

[wicked mica]

I will let him know this

Although he does want to eventually try the raids so it would still be useful there

[junior lagoon]

they can be used situationally. especially when there is red overdrive , assault etc. fun to play but your dps will be low

[smoky latch]

That would require a special tank build that is 100% useless anywhere outside IH

[soft crane]

^

[wicked mica]

understandable

[soft crane]

Also the tanker in the raid usually experienced player who knows the raid mechanic well.

Your friend should at least know how the mechanic works first before going into specific role such as the healer or tanker.

[smoky latch]

This is gonna take a good while to get all the matching pieces but this build is a keeper (PfE build)

Everything CHC/CHD and PfE mods. Specialization is Firewall

[hazy steeple]

Nickelodeon Slime looking police-m4.

[smoky latch]

Neon green, my favorite color

[wicked mica]

I recognize the Scorpio and catharsis but I do not know the rest of the armor offhand

[junior lagoon]

what modifiers are you using?

[smoky latch]

135% HSD

[misty walrus]

is there any rifle has dmg close to 1886?

[wicked mica]

I’m also not sure what you mean by PfE or CHC/CHD

[smoky latch]

Not really

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11RWr-X27mNuz0PLPpYT0Wm7qg2sKaVCs_xzasS8XXsk/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.d41r78y7nby0
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[junior lagoon]

can you list the module stacks

[wicked mica]

ah, protection from elites and crit chance/damage

[smoky latch]

Yeah, I speak a lot in Div2 language

[wicked mica]

is this build for iron horse or something you just like to screw around with?

[smoky latch]

No that is a general PfE build. I'm not sure how the IH tank build is currently set-up with the new gear and all, if you google you'll find templates

[wicked mica]

understandable

[smoky latch]

Haven't raided in like three years or so

[wicked mica]

I haven’t done it ever besides a short attempt that went exceedingly poorly

[smoky latch]

I can recommend the DFA discord (Autralian clan, well renowned) they have teaching sessions

Alternatively maybe WIP (Wipe Squad) discord

[soft crane]

Just good old strikers.

Tank hazpro, and FI healer.

[smoky latch]

Talking tank build

Control room

[soft crane]

Oh yeah then Tank Hazpro. Nothings really changed.

[wicked mica]

so what are the actual pieces to that PfE build besides the ones I recognize

[azure stone]

what is the best talent for lexington

[solar sable]

Back & Forth, Killer and Measured

[azure stone]

appreciate it boss <3

[subtle bluff]

BnF slowly becoming the meta.

[solar sable]

what does BnF do?

I barely have time to play div this weekend

[azure stone]

in short, swap your weapons for buff

[solar sable]

wait so, BnF is 9% TWD?

[azure stone]

technically more if you count the fire rate

[subtle bluff]

I'm pretty sure it's AWD

[solar sable]

hmmm

[shrewd stump]

@smoky latch got a decent tommy gun from that

[smoky latch]

Proto core ^^

[shrewd stump]

thought so XD

[smoky latch]

Yeah the archytype is meh

[whole willow]

hi guys need help in making my build better , any recommendations?

[lone glacier]

I just did like 2 hours of Houndsman to get a Hollowman and no luck. Sadge

[smoky latch]

Retal blueprint

[civic meteor]

Does prototyping increase the base armour of a gear piece?

[next dawn]

yes it increase the Max to 1.5% but you have to hop that your stats will go up through rng

[civic meteor]

I mean base armour like the normal amount it gives you just off of the piece

So a 90k piece will give you 135k after the fact interesting

[next dawn]

only if the rng choose the Armor for its Max roll

[civic meteor]

I’m not talking about blue cores

I’m talking about base armour

[next dawn]

Oh No

it wont increase it at all

only attributes

[civic meteor]

That’s a little dumb

So armour cores will increase by 1.5%

So they increase only by about 60k armour?

[lone wadi]

what?

170k * 1.5

[civic meteor]

Ohh

I forgor it’s 170k instead of 120k

So 255k

[shy willow]

It only increases base armour by virtue of being max expertise

A max expertise high end will have the same base armour

[civic meteor]

So two upgraded prototypes is worth 1 armour core interesting

[lone wadi]

you mean 3 total

[civic meteor]

Yes

I’m thinking about how much armour I want/need with my build

[quasi mason]

I have a tipping scale build can you guys give me suggestions after I drop screen shot once i get back home it’s same build as nothing but Skillz

[soft crane]

Just need Overdogs gloves and you're good to go.

[whole willow]

Where can i get it

[soft crane]

Join me. I want to try something.

[whole willow]

alright

how u get my user tho

[soft crane]

hax

[whole willow]

dang

[unique bison]

Need some help. This is what im working with rn but im trying to balance out Armour and damage with the striker set but its been kinda hard to find that so this is what balance i have atm. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

[soft crane]

Give these guides a read, what you got there isnt a build.
yee yee ahh strikers
and
Level 40 Starter Guide

[soft crane]

What are the odds, I just opened an exotic cache and here's what I got.

[whole willow]

hoooly luck

[soft crane]

Oh well, too bad the exotic cache is obtained from before you joined the group so I cant share it.

[whole willow]

its alright u gave me more than enough

[subtle bluff]

Should give the starter guide

[soft crane]

Oh right yeah.

[unique bison]

My fault

[soft crane]

What build is this?

[smoky latch]

Can't find a funny name for it

[soft crane]

Must be for Tier 10 escalation solo god mode build, trust.

[smoky latch]

I'd say someone is rushing through the game not giving an f about gear

[subtle bluff]

Lvl 4.. not SHD 4

[lone wadi]

cant even get thru lvl 4 without being gear roasted 🙏

[fleet gulch]

For a bog standard Strikers build, how does Caretaker compare to Lexington?

[soft crane]

My bad.

[smoky latch]

Good up to medium range

[pearl kestrel]

hello guys i just got back and there is a lot of content i dont know.... can anyone help me? i want to build my account good for PVE...

[smoky latch]

This might help you initially:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[soft crane]

Level 40 Starter Guide and yee yee ahh strikers

[fleet gulch]

Which one tends to do more DPS, do you know?

[subtle bluff]

Lex w/killer does more.

[quasi mason]

Over dogs is amazing 🤩 got it too

[exotic talon]

why a singular striker glove

[iron flame]

What mods should I look at running on a balistic shield?

This is what I slapped on

[quasi mason]

Yes max shield health

[smoky latch]

2x shield health and 1x holstered regeneration for me

[thin olive]

Has anyone made a successful Ortiz build?

[smoky latch]

Not really that I can think of

Eclipse Protocol is the way to go usually

[thin olive]

I have several eclipse builds.
Just trying to see if anyone managed to get the build done right.
So far I'm having a lot of issues with it. But mostly it's the cool down.

[smoky latch]

Well it's only useful for spawn control I'd say

[boreal widget]

what perk is this

[smoky latch]

Tech Support

[boreal widget]

ty

does this work?

[thin olive]

No.
Use Impetus chest and Force multiplier backpack

[boreal widget]

eh i wanted to focus more on heal tho

[thin olive]

That is focusing more on heal

[boreal widget]

oh

[thin olive]

More DMG = More healing

[subtle bluff]

But also things that are dead quicker means less healing is needed.

[thin olive]

The chest gives you an additional 15% more conversion.
But impetus increases the DMG by 27%
And backpack by an extra 30%

Bad math but more simple to understand.

57% more DMG heals more then 15% conversion

Also Tech support is a horrible talent as it requires your skills to get skill in order to activate.

If you don't get a kill it's just a wasted slot.

[pearl kestrel]

so whats the best exotic smg?

[soft crane]

Probably the Ouroboros.

I always hate how the model has folded stock.

[boreal widget]

what about this
still relevant?

[thin olive]

There is no reason to run this

[soft crane]

lmaooo thats my old skill damage build as well

[boreal widget]

this is my old one too

[boreal widget]

😔 bad or outdated

[soft crane]

#td2-build-advice message

@boreal widget Collection of my old builds.

[soft crane]

Both

[thin olive]

A bit of both.

If you are going to use might as well run refractor with force and imp

[boreal widget]

bahahah my first one is also skill

[soft crane]

wa legend

[soft crane]

is Refactor really the best skill damage build? I always thought its a hybrid between heal and skill damage

[thin olive]

No. It is the best turret drone build

[soft crane]

Someone said Refactor outdamage this build and can even heal on top of that.

[boreal widget]

yea im moving to refractor

[soft crane]

So Refactor is for specific turret and drone.

[thin olive]

Tes

[boreal widget]

now to find refactor kneepads

[thin olive]

Get knee pads with skill DMG and roll them to weapon dmg

Same with gloves

But leave them at skill tier for now

In the future you can turn them both to weapon DMG

After you prototype

[exotic talon]

you want 4pc refactor i think

also run tech spec so you have one free red core

[long dove]

the buildstation link gives different itemization ?

[boreal widget]

📉 too bad proto needs lev30 expertese to upgrade

[boreal widget]

havent unlocked it yet xD
soon stage 4

[thin olive]

That's fine. But better so things right from the start

[exotic talon]

you can either have slightly weaker skills now and guarantee a better build later, or grind a new build when you get to prototype your stuff

[thin olive]

There is nothing weaker now.
He Will still be tier 6

I just told him to get gloves and keep pads with skill damage on them.
This way he can reroll the core attribute to skill tier and in the future to weapon smg

[soft crane]

Not sure what happened but chest piece is a must for Ongoing Directive.

[woeful chasm]

True but not for a support OD.🤓

[long dove]

maybe cuz its mentioned as support?

[soft crane]

Huh oh right, didn't see the title.

[long dove]

but i dunno which one is better for supporting with the og chest or without it how does perfect efficient work

[soft crane]

My bad, I'm tripping hard right now after grinding for hours.

[noble pelican]

I'd honestly argue the 30% higher modifier on the chest beats some armor kit regen in pretty much all cases.

Especially with a 10m range limit.

[thin olive]

If you going support OD. You went the wrong way

[gentle lichen]

What

[thin olive]

Beacon+ setup+ sheriff OD
Full CHC chd

Best support OD

[noble pelican]

Taking 30% CHD in 10m range only over moving the OD modifier from 20% to 50% and 15% amp over on-demand CC is.. surely a choice.

[exotic talon]

i cant see a reason to run anything other than OD chest and bp

[noble pelican]

There's basically never a reason to run the BP

[thin olive]

It's not just the CHD on Beacon. And you know it.
The amount of healing that thing does is insane

[exotic talon]

bp looks pretty strong to me

[shut oriole]

is this a decent OD setup?

[thin olive]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

You’re the only one to click on the and report that. There is no “set” for support with OD. It’s kind just showing the different ideas you can do.

[subtle bluff]

Lil more CHC one more stats over. You want to be around 57%

With Killer you need CHC. Get closest you 60% without going over.

[subtle bluff]

Other than one but really this..

[shut oriole]

oooh yeah i forgor, alr ty

[soft crane]

Absolutely yes

[noble pelican]

Bleed isn't your damage, it's a enabling status; Buffing it isn't worth it.

[subtle bluff]

You have to go read how Survivalist armor kit works.

[thin olive]

If you doing support OD.
Can't get much better then this setup. Pun intended

[exotic talon]

it also increases the duration

[shut oriole]

whats the exotic weapon

[exotic talon]

sheriff

[soft crane]

Sheriff, it doesnt have talent but rather much higher base stats. +35% damage, no damage drop off, and +100% accuracy.

[shut oriole]

oh, interesting

[thin olive]

It's a sniper shotgun

Also I can't be the only one who wanted the melee animation to be changed on the weapon where it actually stabs the dude

[subtle bluff]

Scorpio would be kind better in some senses

It both works.

[shut oriole]

my secondary is slightly over but thats whatever, with my current mods this is the closest i can get

[subtle bluff]

It’s more content depend on the OD support.

[subtle bluff]

Yup give it a shot!

[thin olive]

I use both.
But prefer sheriff as it lets me sit with my lmg boys in the back

[noble pelican]

The entire reason you play the set is to have Hollow-Point up, which applies bleed on hit.
Duration is fairly irrelevant, since you either kill fast enough (and get more ammo applying bleed), or you run content where you can't kill fast enough and OD in general drops in usefulness - duration won't rescue you over more damage.

[shut oriole]

yippie, tyty

[soft crane]

You're using Tinkerer, just switch weapon with higher crit chance bruh.

[shut oriole]

im slow

[subtle bluff]

Status Effect with DOT that have no way of scaling its base numbers are very weak.

[shut oriole]

ty, im half awake and didnt think of that 💔

[solar sable]

are you overcapped on CHC by any chance?

[subtle bluff]

Really just go do CP and get the rest of the Blueprints for mods and stuff.

[shut oriole]

nuh uh

[noble pelican]

You did overcap in the other one, based on this lol

[solar sable]

CHC1 x CHD1 vs CHC2 x CHD2

see which one has a higher result and that's your keep

[subtle bluff]

Killer is also there too.

[lilac peak]

what are the top builds for doing the escalation missions?

[subtle bluff]

Striker and FI / a support that kwtd.

[lilac peak]

ive been away from the game for awhile but it seems like skill builds arent really popular anymore/recommended

and dps is just always striker so is that just the go to for dps now?

[subtle bluff]

wtf discord mobile you can do math with it…
58x111=6,438
IDK unless that iOS doing when I type = afterwards it pops out the number..

[hallow arch]

Finally, a striker build

CHC and CHD is alright I guess? I still don't any maxed gear mods sadly and I don't have the named UA chest yet

[subtle bluff]

Follow above for Crit stuff.

[hallow arch]

Noted noted

[lilac peak]

this the chest i use

[subtle bluff]

When things scale above 100m per thing what are Skill Build gonna be able to do to that?

[hallow arch]

Yeah I've been trying to get that for a while but count down be giving me everything EXCEPT chestplates

yes I set UA as the target loot

[lilac peak]

i forgot what the brand is but i just targeted that

[subtle bluff]

The striker guide has the builds for escalation.

[lilac peak]

dunno but ive been using striker since i got back

[subtle bluff]

You popped the question for escalation…

[hallow arch]

so...is the build still good? 58.5% is 60% technically lmao

unless I have to use Coyote

Which I'm not complaining

[subtle bluff]

Yes it still works fine

[lilac peak]

i think you gave me the guide yesterday idk but i see one now

[subtle bluff]

I updated the section in it. I didn’t want to keep repeating myself.

[hallow arch]

nice nice

now I just need the named UA chestplate and quick step pistol and I'm good

[teal ibex]

man if only it was not that augments 😭

[urban latch]

The augment is the 1 thing you can reroll

[teal ibex]

well if it was crit damagae that wouldve bin nice too or wep heandle

[unborn cove]

Wait

I saw you afk earlier that’s crazy

[orchid kayak]

so how gear works i need same named iteams to make a set?

[willow sigil]

not named items but same gear set and brand set

[orchid kayak]

thank u

[willow sigil]

named items are just pieces of a brand set that have a specific locked attribute or talent

[weak quail]

Sometimes it can be part of their stats too like Lexington

Like it has golden damage numbers iirc instead of an attribute or talent

[thin olive]

• Eclipse.
• High-end Arty.
• Refractor.
• Future
  They are alwys going to be good.
  It's just that YouTube oversaturates the list with fake op builds and click baits.

Plus you also need actual skill to use skills builds.
Pun intended.

[soft crane]

Wdf where's my solo god mode insane damage meta build?

[exotic talon]

core strength

[thin olive]

With Sanctum Imperium

[exotic talon]

i cant tell if this is bait

[thin olive]

And imperial dynasty.
When you combine both you get op stats

[flint arch]

i cant tell if this is bait

[boreal widget]

📉 📉 📉

[soft crane]

@pearl atlas

[subtle bluff]

They don't giv eup...

@pearl atlas

[soft crane]

what the hell

[fierce ether]

Is ok this turmoil?

[soft crane]

Pardon?

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil only comes that way

[fierce ether]

Ouch

I am new guys dumno a lot of thigs calm down hahaha

[flint arch]

but sir, turmoil will sometimes come annoyingly close to max rolls too

[tepid flume]

Hey so I'm finishing my HB Tinkerer TechTank build, and I'm wondering if I should run Future Perfect for a consistent enough T5/6 shield or either Measured or Killer to squeeze out as much dmg as I can

[ocean wyvern]

I feel like it depends on the content level, I don't think it would be necessary to run FP on heroic, but legendary content it could be a consideration?

[torpid badge]

where can i get cleaners tech assesmants quick time

to upgrade overdogs

[ocean wyvern]

you can craft them at the bench if you have the blueprint

lots of ceramics, titanium and printer filament

[torpid badge]

where can i find blueprint

[ocean wyvern]

control points in NY/Brooklyn I'd imagine

[torpid badge]

legend

[flint arch]

any level 3/4 control points will drop it, it just has to compete with the other 600 or so blueprints

@torpid badge

[livid sorrel]

I'd definitely suggest going damage, you're already starved of damage as is with HB

[ocean wyvern]

@flint arch I've been meaning to ask you, do you find yourself playing a lot more passively on pvgc striker? or is it more just timing with that build?

[untold fulcrum]

Is Sheriff any good?

[soft crane]

Yep. Best shotgun for DPS.

[flint arch]

idfk it's the only build i've been using for so long that i've forgotten how i play with standard striker

[untold fulcrum]

Best way to get it is just spamming Black Tusk retaliation?

[flint arch]

i would say i'm still pretty aggressive with it tho

[ocean wyvern]

no worries, I just had to ask, I tried it and just ate shit constantly

[soft crane]

For the blueprint yeah. Might want to set targeted loot to shotgun while you're at it.

[flint arch]

yeah you really have to get used to it

[untold fulcrum]

Heard its 100 drop from a master mission?

[flint arch]

first completion on master guarantees it

[soft crane]

Oh yeah the latest climax mission.

[flint arch]

i don't think its affected by TL though, it's a completion reward iirc

[soft crane]

Forgot about that, sorry.

[flint arch]

it doesn't actually drop physically

[soft crane]

The last boss mechanic is still bugged from what I've seen.

[icy jasper]

Standing next to this fine gentleman

I thought they usually run when u approached em

[fickle sparrow]

does survivalists out going healing 15% effect refractor when it heals?

[grizzled garnet]

i would imagine not since refractor is based on damage

[frosty oasis]

@fair dragon @urban latch I do this very often. As for my dmg, obvi it broke 😂🤣

[flint arch]

i think the fact you had to react to your own post with a thumbs up emoji says a lot

[neon jackal]

hi i'm a returning player to the game and i like using pestilence as my weapon any good build for it?

[frosty oasis]

Nah ppl were talking crap & i like proving them wrong lol
The fact you chimed in says a lot as welll

@flint arch GG

[gaunt chasm]

🤓

[flint arch]

pesti guide

[lone glacier]

You haven't proven anything tho. But keep at it, rent free

[trim abyss]

I dont get what the pic is for? doin better than randos that run ninja bag and blue cores? Congrats I guess?

[lone glacier]

Nah we had a discussion about his build telling him its bad yesterday.. we moved on, he didn't

[trim abyss]

typical div 2 player LOL

[gaunt chasm]

[urban latch]

I wouldnt brag about a 40 minute T5.....

[lone glacier]

I didn't even look at the time.. oh boy..

[gaunt chasm]

the other guys had to be afk

[smoky latch]

29x they got downed and 7 deaths, that stretches the mission's runtime a bit

[shy willow]

I don't remember art museum being particularly long

The boss is annoying tho

Granted I haven't played in in a while so

[frosty oasis]

I just came back for laughs. You use what you use but if you're gonna dog a solid build, least have a solid build. also, yall wanted proof. 😂🤘

Was a solid team, just few close calls. Had to do some rezzing, but we made it 😎

[shy willow]

In keeping with the theme of the channel it might help to actually post the build in question

[mild flame]

Annoying AF

[frosty oasis]

i did but a few tards were running their mouths & asked for proof lol

[lone glacier]

He did yesterday.. and its just not good..

[shy willow]

Oh where

[frosty oasis]

@lone glacier ok 😂

@shy willow a solid anti-meta Backfire build. Extreme dps with almost 30k passive regen

[shy willow]

Ah

[lone glacier]

I mean 40mins for a t5 just proved us right..

[last schooner]

Striker with hzp?

[exotic talon]

i dont think you need any of those blue attributes

[frosty oasis]

Oe man can do so much lol. @lone glacier You just like btchn to do it. Lol. Wish it was crossplay so i could hurt your feelings.

[shy willow]

I'm not sure what constitutes a solid build but I don't think this is terrible by any means, and I can say in confidence it would benefit you to drop the hazpro

[frosty oasis]

The hazpro, yes & no. With Investor [2% regen] you need only 70% HAZPRO tbh

[exotic talon]

youre wasting your investor with the blue attributes as well

[lone glacier]

You're not going to hurt anyones feelings lol. You're still here trying to justfiy it with a 40 min t5..

[frosty oasis]

@shy willow ive seen guns run something very similar, LMG builds are nasty

[exotic talon]

who

[shy willow]

Think he just wants the regen

[noble pelican]

Slowly but surely building a monster.

[frosty oasis]

@exotic talon not true. I want the regen. Backfire doesnt need CHD. After a certain point the dmg is diminishing returns. Id rather have the passive healing.

[last schooner]

Is bloom ar good?

[exotic talon]

2% healing for a build thats made of wet tissue

[frosty oasis]

1.1M Armor, 27K Regen. 1.5M to body & 1.7M to head. It holds. Tried up to T8. Havent done a T9 or T10 with it yet. Got it fully prototyped yesterday or day before

@exotic talon show your build 😂🤣

@exotic talon id run you through on any mission in the game. Wet tissue 🤣😂 Yall are extra tarded on here huh? Is that the PC side of the Division?

[dreamy valve]

I think the regen is for the backfire bleed

[noble pelican]

~200k armor above full red build talking about "not being wet tissue" is hilarious, ngl.

[shy willow]

😭

[exotic talon]

can we report this guy to the mods for using a slur shorthand constantly and also being purposefully abrasive

[frosty oasis]

cause my dmg is so high, the regen stops me being one-shotted 99% of the time & if i get a kill, im practically full armor again

[stable tree]

LMAO

[frosty oasis]

@exotic talon ahh add rat to it too

the internet is soft

[lone glacier]

Backfires bleed is nothing.. and you can just reload 3 times for it to not bleed you anyway..

[exotic talon]

i am trying to discuss your build respectfully but you clearly havent reached the mental maturity to do the same

[dreamy valve]

Damn I’m using it wrong 😑

[lone glacier]

You can run it without any blues just fine and do even more damage lol.

[frosty oasis]

@exotic talon so what was the wet tissue remark? its just funny. Up to T8, it holds. Lol.

@lone glacier Prolly but thats fine

[dreamy valve]

That’s too far for me

[exotic talon]

backfire bleed is just annoying rather than an actual drawback

[frosty oasis]

@dreamy valve you need at least 70% but with this season, i have 100% hazpro. Immune to disrupt & everythinf else. Very useful. i run reviver with decoy for the Tiers. Overloaded to get hive back ij 15 secs

seasonal modifiers i mean*

[dreamy valve]

Maybe cosplaying as Hyena Dime

[noble pelican]

A grown up (with a child, according to their Facebook that doesn't list any education but "Meme Lord" as their job for the last 10 years) calling other people slurs and wishing for cross-play so they can show off is.. surely one way to look respectable.

[frosty oasis]

No, im his god if anything. He used the gun, ive perfected the gun. Been using it 5 seasons now? Somewhere in there

[shy willow]

Let's not make it personal😭

[noble pelican]

I'm just highlighting that this isn't even "just a kid".
Instead of feeding into it, just block the dude, my guys.

[urban latch]

You just showed us it clearly doesnt hold up in T5.....

[frosty oasis]

@noble pelican Im just backing my build but whats funny is, finding out who someone is means nothing. I game on the side. 😂 Good job bud.

[icy garden]

How much time i will spend to get 500 SHD in NBA?

[frosty oasis]

@urban latch did you miss the screenshot? Show me yours since you're so confident

[shy willow]

Assuming each run is two minutes, about 3 and a half hours straight grind?

[flint arch]

i think your point would still come across without the the message prior but the sentiment is shared

[noble pelican]

6-7 hours with matchmaking, incl. load times and such.
(with tripple XP, that is)

[smoky latch]

Next time you run it on T6 and above record it

[willow sigil]

its 5 levels per completion on heroic with all directives.

[frosty oasis]

@urban latch your joking right?

1B dmg to just the boss lol

[stable tree]

Tier 5 💀

[urban latch]

20 minute T10 vs 40 minute T5.... pay attention

[lone glacier]

It took you 40 minutes to clear a tier 5.. raucey cleared a t10 in half your time lol

[frosty oasis]

I dont have a T8 screenshot or id send one.

[shy willow]

Damage can flip back to positive and reset

[frosty oasis]

With a group of ppl he prolly knows. With a solid healer too i bet lol

[flint arch]

on heroic w/ 5 directives, if your clear time + load time is 3 minutes, it will take you 5 hours

[lone glacier]

Just wait till he says "but I did art museum, he did bunker"

[frosty oasis]

@lone glacier Bunker joke vs Art but i dont have a solid team to run a T10. I got randos. Done several T8s last week. Cant find anyone this week to even run T6, let alone T7. Cause either the event or the mission selection. Idk

[dreamy valve]

Art Museum admittedly harder on last part

[unreal remnant]

should we be waiting till the optimization event to deconstruct prototype gear?

[frosty oasis]

If it was crossplay id run it with you. Solid group T8 is very doable. T10 sounds extra though, i wont lie

[shy willow]

[smoky latch]

Optimization is unrelated to prototype I'd say

[fleet gulch]

Trying to put together a Sheriff build, which variation do ya'll reckon can work the best? Bigger lean on solo play.

[smoky latch]

Highly doubt they'll give you two proto cores

[unreal remnant]

so double material doesn't apply to to proto cores?

[dreamy valve]

The event will be op if so

[smoky latch]

Yeah cuz it's not "optimization" in that sense

[unreal remnant]

So it applies to exotics but not proto cores...

[smoky latch]

Yes

[shy willow]

If I were a betting man, I'd wager they'll create a new special surge event specifically for proto cores

[unreal remnant]

that makes no sense

[smoky latch]

Because exo comps are needed for it, proto cores aren't

[frosty oasis]

a mf can hope though. Cores would be nice. rerolling gets pricey

[flint arch]

just put it as a secondary in standard striker. sheriff is a good secondary but not worth building around

[shy willow]

Optimisation surge applies to neither

[smoky latch]

It does make sense

[shy willow]

Exotics are doubled by expertise surge

[exotic talon]

if you want a sheriff build, i just run generic hunter's fury

[shy willow]

Neither exo components or proto cores are ingredients to optimise

[exotic talon]

its still a shotgun, the accuracy and no dropoff is a bonus on top of its expected performance

[smoky latch]

This shit is so confusing to me I often mix it up

[fleet gulch]

I want to build around it because it's fun for me.

[frosty oasis]

What about a Proto Sherriff, maybe roll all echo, or mix echo & paradox

[shy willow]

You can't prototype exotics

[frosty oasis]

ive seen ppl go crzy with Sheriff but they were headshot gods. Obvi

i mean the gear.

[smoky latch]

The reload time is hell

[flint arch]

you can go with hunter's fury if you want to lean more into it i guess

[fleet gulch]

Hmm, doesn't that only work in really close range?

I'm basically trying to turn Sheriff into a sniper type.

[flint arch]

imo sheriff isn't exactly a sniper, the spread may not increase with range but it still has spread

[shy willow]

It has significantly increased effective range but yeah you can't really snipe with it

It's good maybe out to like 15 meters or less?

[dreamy valve]

I like my Proto Thorn, it’s nice against elites, can one or two shot elites with full blue

[fleet gulch]

How far is 15 meters in this game? I feel like I'm more efffective with Sheriff at range than a maxed accuracy and stability assault rifle or LMG.

[smoky latch]

Sheriff is made for long range

Check the shooting range in the WH to visualize it

[fleet gulch]

With all that said...no one's yet answered my original question regarding gear choice, particular with named gear.

[shy willow]

None

Idk if you've noticed but you're missing a striker piece on all 3

[fleet gulch]

Assume that I can get 4 Striker then and I take out something else, whatever floats your boat. Most important to me again, is named gear choice between Spot On, Eagle Grasp, and Salvo. Heck maybe even Piccaro Holster with red core.

[dreamy valve]

Everyone's too distracted with the 3p Striker, but at gunpoint? I'd use the one with Salvo

[outer agate]

So I forgot to ask, what specialization should I be using?

[urban latch]

easiest way to get a feel for it is play with something with ranger for awhile. Itll tell you next to the gun how far you are from any target you aim at

15m is fairly close, but most engagements will end up in the 15m-25m range in this game

salvo is probably your best option

[halcyon sentinel]

do you use TS chest in escal?

[soft crane]

I did.

[smoky latch]

Is a good place for the chest

[soft crane]

Striker chest as well.

[halcyon sentinel]

okay i got that from the cache but the docs said to use obliterate or glass canon

[shy willow]

For general use yes

Escalation is a different meta probably warrants its own guide

[flint arch]

the striker guide has a new section just for escalation

[outer agate]

so how does one effectively use an all red hunters fury memento/backfire build and not get shredded lol

[heavy mist]

FINALLY after crafting over 200 masks..... lengmo chc/chd YIPPPEEEEEEEEE bask in my goated (insanely awful) RNG luck

[soft crane]

Ah, must be for the pain in the ass to build, build.

Anyway congrats.

[ocean wyvern]

sounds like someone's revving up the pestilence

[heavy mist]

yes

[soft crane]

Yep, thats the build alright.

[heavy mist]

after 2 weeks, its finally put together and fully minmaxxed

it was shredding already before but now minmaxxed i feel complete.... forget my wedding, imma wear a suit for this

[ocean wyvern]

I wanna put the lengmo pestilence build together, but I can't be bothered to farm it

[heavy mist]

if you have the mats, just play slot machine and craft it lmao

i farmed for the named stuff with perfect rolls, everything else was crafted

[ocean wyvern]

my mats have mainly been going toward proficiency sadly

I got to like 25 on the last event and the slowdown is brutal

[outer agate]

so how does one effectively use an all red hunters fury memento/backfire build and not get shredded lol

[heavy mist]

ah yes for the pink tier.... (overrated slop imo)

[soft crane]

Is there a google docs link for Lengmo Pestilence build? @smoky latch @subtle bluff

[ocean wyvern]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.84510325k0as

[heavy mist]

that one is bad and outdated

contractors shreds better than overdogs, glass cannon is meh compared to obliterate

Lengmo Backbone
Lengmo Contractors
Salvo Turmoil

Elie stack

also all red is a bit silly for solo play 2 blue cores are fine to have

[shy willow]

Ehh this statement is untrue

[heavy mist]

the average person has no clue how to use overdogs

[timber pawn]

Im a returning player my build is outdated and needed to start from fresh what AR Damage build should I go for and what activities should i do

[shy willow]

Contractors got slammed by overdogs and glass cannon buffs both ticks and bullet damage making it a preferred choice for pesti

[flint arch]

even if you completely ignore the tier hierarchy and just shoot as if you had no overdogs, most of your enemies and most of the dangerous enemy archetypes are in tier 3 anyways so overdogs trigger more often than not

[shy willow]

They don't need to, even with half uptime it's still on average a 15 percent amp

[shy willow]

Rushers, snipers grunts etcetera

[heavy mist]

ngl ive seen only small difference between obliterate/contractors and glass cannon/overdogs

[smoky latch]

Nonsense

[heavy mist]

argue with the numbers, and dont quote me some perfect test range setup

[flint arch]

level 40 starter guide

[shy willow]

How much are you ticking/hitting for

[smoky latch]

I tested those setups and PGC is unarguably hitting harder/has higher ticks, even moreso when the Overdogs buff applies

[shy willow]

On a Coco setup at the top end ticks are about 2m and bullet damage over a million with PGC/OVD

[heavy mist]

1.85 vs 2 on the tick count to me is marginal

[smoky latch]

Turmoil also cuts your DPS in half, no gain at all here

[heavy mist]

turmoil for faster clears usually is foxes prayer

[obtuse herald]

Question, someone who's not as experienced at setting up builds, what should I focus on for better survivability, but still be able to maintain decent dmg?

[flint arch]

focus on positioning, corner peeking, knowing enemy behavior and spawns

[heavy mist]

new core strength with all blue or all red core setup and off you go and yeah stay in cover

[obtuse herald]

awsome, thanks!

[smoky latch]

Full red Striker's or alternatives later on and practice playing with it. What corrupt said is mandatory

[flint arch]

you won't learn how to play the game well if you use blue core strength and facetank everyone with a shield

[heavy mist]

yes you will youll be a perfect streamer if you do 🧌

[smoky latch]

DPS is king in this game, some hybrid stuff won't be able to reach that. They might be fun to play but will reach their limits really quick in higher difficulty content and group play.
You can use whatever up to heroic solo, maybe duo

[broken edge]

heartbreaker is a decent alternative in regular content

[teal ibex]

see told ya. 🤣

[obtuse herald]

told me what?

[outer agate]

so how does one effectively use an all red hunters fury memento/backfire build and not get shredded? i cant seem to use it effectively even on heroic solo. i got told all red was a must and to ditch the crusader shield

[teal ibex]

i ask here what i tell u on vc bruh. 🤣

[obtuse herald]

nuuh

[broken edge]

probably stacking haz pro with seasonal modifier and armor mods

[shy willow]

Like we said it's all about playstyle and positioning

[broken edge]

otherwise being very aggressive to get kills to recover armor lost faster

[smoky latch]

Use cover where applicable but stay in range for HF to be able to get proc'd. Pay attention to the spawn locations too and you'll have an easier time

[shy willow]

You don't need to ditch the shield but don't let it weigh you down

[broken edge]

and the shield is fine, not sure why ditch it

[outer agate]

i was told to ditch it

[smoky latch]

We told you to use red cores, not ditch the shield

[outer agate]

i swapped to all red cores but it just made me die faster lol i try to stay in range for hunters fury but i get surrounded and killed from behind

[broken edge]

HF needs to be very close in all scenarios, so its aggressive no matter what and long range arenas are your weakpoint

[smoky latch]

Idk why you make up things

And that's just me telling you that, there were others as well

[outer agate]

this is why i thoguht you said that bc you said f the shield

[smoky latch]

I don't really feel like helping you much when you twist facts

And disregard other people trying to help you

[outer agate]

it is hard when you have multiple ppl saying different things lol

[smoky latch]

We all said:

• use red cores
• use cover

On top I gave the advice to keep the shield as last resort

[silent storm]

Why are we banning Exodus Gloves now?

[outer agate]

ive tried playing like in the vid but i for some reason get flanked from behind or one tapped from something

[smoky latch]

Caused Escalation wipe yesterday

Can't see shit through that smoke

[teal ibex]

when reading ur advice. is why is "stopped" using shield. i use more cover and positioning now and goes way better.
shield helps with last ditch effort imo

[outer agate]

so i should be using all 6 red cores?

[shy willow]

Grief piece in groups

Great for solo play though I'm very fond of them

[smoky latch]

Cherry on top was that Exodus dude was 90% of the time next to me ..

[teal ibex]

my friend was using it too. hella annoying. was asking him to f off outta my position every 10 secs of that damm thing🤣

[smoky latch]

🫠

[silent storm]

Ceska Proto is on the menu boys

[junior lagoon]

There was a pvp video. 3 guys attack 1 dude. First ones gloves pop, and 1 guy kills all 3

[obtuse herald]

oh yeah, mf blocking view a lot of times

[shy willow]

Mfw I'm blinded by smoke AND all the aggro has transferred completely to me for 3 seconds

[smoky latch]

There was a whole conversation withbthis dude last night, three ppl trying to give meaningful advice

[teal ibex]

yea u know whom mr fake. the assfart. 🤣

[heavy mist]

yeah but cool factor and imma hunturrrr 🤓

[teal ibex]

ah makes sense. but yea after learning positioning better. survival went up a lot

[smoky latch]

It's more useful in PvP lol

[teal ibex]

make a team of 3 ppl. using that. 1 proc. u switch with 1 guy. infinite smokescreen🤣

[smoky latch]

Not Camp White Oak before the final boss encounter when there's two sniper dogs

Well wasn't my tokens I had spent

[teal ibex]

i did t5 yesterday. it went surprsingly well🤔 thought it was harder actually👀

[outer agate]

im srry

[smoky latch]

T5 is the sweet spot IMO

[smoky latch]

Just try to keep in mind what we tried telling you and practice. Everyone starts somewhere

[teal ibex]

8 proto. 2 ceska. 2 brand. and some other stuff👍

[smoky latch]

12 drops in one Zoo run yesterday, was worth it

Covered roughly half the augment cost for my Striker's chest...

[brittle drift]

12 protos in t5? Wow I once got 5 in t2

[teal ibex]

i did post it here yesterday tho🤔

[timid fiber]

I love SMGs so I made a HF build with Sok chest /w obliterate and memento using a Dark Winter but I feel like Chatterbox is just more sustained damage since it’s high ROF and ability to reload itself.

[teal ibex]

here

[outer agate]

ive have been trying to practice i keep dying in the 3rd room on lincoln memorial. i cant seem to stay close enough to enemies without getting killed to proc hf

[smoky latch]

Pretty lucky yeah. Usually 2-6 for me

[inland hound]

ive been showing people the hidden boss on zoo and they've been dumbfound like im showing them a easter egg just released lmao. 10k+ shd never knowing about it.

[smoky latch]

Do you need another showcase video?

[teal ibex]

chatterbox is okish imo. it relies too heavy on amount of enemies🙄

[brittle drift]

Rouge agents have high proto drop rate

[teal ibex]

oh? where👀

[timid fiber]

Yeah I went with dark winter cause it’s talent.

[smoky latch]

Same with all the loot boxes

[inland hound]

gotta destroy 5 beehives at a specific spot and activate a button to spawn him. google it, way to hard to explainn

[outer agate]

do you have one with hunters fury and not strikers? so i can see how the positioning works?

[teal ibex]

nvr knew that lol

[smoky latch]

I'm not at my PC rn but maybe someone else has one on hand

[inland hound]

good chance for a proto from that boss, so i always spawn it now

[teal ibex]

good to kno

what set zoo drops tho🤔 didnt check

[smoky latch]

Here's a random ass example from five years ago. I'm sure you'll find more

https://youtu.be/3kH_jeVgfCE?si=GUol3YR_KkRQpwEq

[outer agate]

i hope so i keep getting destroyed lol is gunner the right specialization?

[smoky latch]

Gunner helps due to 10% AoK

[outer agate]

ive got reviver and banshee on atm should i change em?

[smoky latch]

Personal preference. Banshee works great

Shield is fine too

[inland hound]

banshee op, makes sure to use the Optimize/overload seasonal modifer. you can Overload your banshee pulse and reset the cooldowns on them. its what i do

[smoky latch]

Situational

[outer agate]

yea im just not a fan of having to rely on seasonal modifiers lol

[inland hound]

they are there to make your gameplay fun, and easier. allowing you to learn your gameplay. is it a crutch? yes, is it worth it? yes

[outer agate]

i like having builds that dont become useless once a season ends lol

[hazy steeple]

Banshee Pulse is going to remain useful on red DPS setups far beyond the end of this Season.

IMO it's mandatory on Strikers+OD at the very least. The former also likes having Decoy when Solo, to take the bullseye off you.

[outer agate]

i love it on my od build lol

[inland hound]

i take it a step further and "Hotswap" BTSU gloves and proc overloads before running into a big encounter. helps more then you could think of.

[ivory dagger]

DTOC or crit chance on st elmos? i have 2

[flint arch]

dttooc, always

[ivory dagger]

ty

[hazy steeple]

CHC (crit chance) is for LMG's, yeah as Corrupt said, the rest of the gun types go for dtooc.

[outer agate]

does anyone have a vid of the positioning for a backfire hunter fury build on heroic solo? i get the cover part i just dont know how close i need to be without being too out in the open

[dreamy valve]

If you use the Firewall specialization shield with backfire, you can see the max distance you can be at for your Hunter Fury procs

[smoky latch]

It depends on the activity you play. I'd never run Backfire HF in a Retaliation for instance

[outer agate]

im just doing heroic solo no directives as like for testing

[rich cosmos]

How good is huntsman in comparison to killer

[gentle lichen]

It can't sync frenzy so killer has higher uptime

[flint arch]

headhunter's fury in retaliation

[gentle lichen]

I love killing the entire kill squad by myself

[calm nebula]

Hi! Ridgeway's pride it's a good exotic to build around it?

[flint arch]

it's a very good exo component

or something to look at in your stash

not good at all in gameplay

[dreamy valve]

Realistically, you can't always be at the right position and distance playing builds like HF due to the nature of being in CQB range, as situations in this game change every second. I always default to being as close to my target as safely as I can be, and will blind fire behind cover if close enough

[outer agate]

ill just keep testing and see what i can find out l guess lol

[calm nebula]

I made a build with Virtuoso and the Chameleon but I think It's not my type haha, and I got Ridgeway's Pride today, so I was thinking about doin' something with it

[flint arch]

virtuoso is a bad gear set

[calm nebula]

It's not me? XD

[flint arch]

chameleon is an okay SMG, but bad AR

[calm nebula]

Right, that's why I was playing it with virtuoso, to activate its effect by using the chameleon in close ranges

[flint arch]

using hunter's fury would be better

[dreamy valve]

Ridgeway's Pride saw some play when it was released because of Eclipse Backpack talent being able to work on its own unintentionally, but after that its just a exo component

[calm nebula]

I play Refractor now to heal my friends, but playing solo I can't do any damage by myself, so I was thinking to make some aggro build

I played Virtuoso like I said but didn't liked it, and now I don't know wich to play hahhaha, I saw Ridgeway's Pryde and I thought "how cool", but if you say that it's not that good, I'll see other builds

[weak quail]

Nothing comes close to sacrum imperium

[gentle lichen]

A crit refactor is nice in solo play

[fleet gulch]

Are Murakami Emperor's Guards considered a good item? I heard it was a DZ drop only.

[gentle lichen]

Mostly used in dz

[flint arch]

sacrum imperium is such a good exo component

[gentle lichen]

But it is good

[dreamy valve]

Rugged gauntlets?

[fleet gulch]

Could it work in 6 yellow Core Strength by any chance?

[gentle lichen]

What are you trying to make

[fleet gulch]

A 6 yellow Core Strength build for solo play.

[gentle lichen]

A picture would be appreciated
But overall core strength is quite weak in pve

[weak quail]

Those can be fun for blindfiring lmgs, didn’t mind them when i used them for the expertse xp

[dreamy valve]

Oh I meant Imperial Dynasty

[fleet gulch]

The idea is that I die all the time and am forced to run reviver hive when I play something like Strikers normally, so I want something that's a bit tankier and can self heal without armor kit, but I don't want to be constrained in build like in Heartbreak. I figured Core Strength was a good middle point.

[weak quail]

Was also fine as i did the same with firewall class. Extra burn duration made them almost good. Was useful for flankers. Can be good with the right set too ngl. Better options out there but nowhere as useless as sacrum

[gentle lichen]

You can use memento on your striker
And core strength just does not have the damage compared to striker

Like not even a middle ground thing you're losing so much damage

[fleet gulch]

I can handle the lower damage. After all I'm not going to do any damage anyways if I get oneshot by a grenade or sniper warhound.

[calm nebula]

Btw do you like the new exotic weapon? The exotic F2000

[flint arch]

Not doing enough damage means you drag out the fight for longer, which means more chances to eat grenades/sniper bullets and die

[gentle lichen]

Basically

[fleet gulch]

As long as I can self heal, I think I can deal with the longer kill times.

[weak quail]

A middle ground is fine in my experience

[gentle lichen]

Besides i dunno what they did with dogs but now they die extra fast to leg shots
Non crit damage doesn't have a debuff on leg shots anymore

[weak quail]

Also depends if solo or team

[fleet gulch]

With Strikers, I sometimes even die in normal difficulty when solo.

With Heartbreaker, I survive and do damage, but it feels limiting in terms of build variety.

[gentle lichen]

Core strength being a "middle ground" between tankiness and damage isn't exactly quite correct
It's like 80% "tankiness" if you can call it that and 20% of striker's damage

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, might be fun paired with Sacrum

[gentle lichen]

At one point a build can only get you so far before you have to mechanically change the way you play

[weak quail]

You can always try it with unbreakable or zero f’s perfectly unbreakable as armor for survivability. I use tardigrade on countdown to make sure teammatea dont get clapped too easily by the hunters

[flint arch]

I feel like people need to be more comfortable with dying, because I die too, everyone dies at some point

But you have to die to get better at the game. Just stacking blues is not the best way to learn

[weak quail]

Oh the middle ground i had in mind was something in between. I agree core strength ain’t it (maybe in PvP)

[flint arch]

core strength is completely busted in PVP rn

[gentle lichen]

6/6/6 cores and double dipping on yellows when using capacitor
Peak game design

[flint arch]

absolute cinema

[fleet gulch]

With all that said, I'm still looking for an answer to my original question. Can Emperor's Guards work in 6 yellow Core Strength?

[tawdry raven]

is this ksg a keeper?

[gentle lichen]

Totes

[flint arch]

you need to show what shotgun is this. is this a M870?

[smoky latch]

KSG

[tawdry raven]

edited it to say ksg

[dreamy valve]

It works, how good do you want it to work though, solo heroic? Yeah sure

[smoky latch]

Yes keep it