td2-build-advice

[queen mica]

idk man I'm just vibe building, dropped the proto for it so gotta use it, too strong not to, but it's hella not optimal

[solar sable]

is it for support? I'm assuming bc Bluescreen is there

[gentle lichen]

find a ceska bag and you're good

[queen mica]

yeah kinda

was using iron lung but didn't feel good

[solar sable]

if it's for support go Lavoisier and if it's for solo go Ceska Wicked

[azure ice]

Dm

[solar berry]

OD is a dps support

[solar sable]

you can use OD Tinkerer for solo tho

[cunning crescent]

best way to get capacitor?

[solar berry]

Summit

[cunning crescent]

just farm FL 10?

[solar berry]

Challenges

[solar sable]

you have to complete a quest first to unlock it

[queen mica]

yeah that's kinda what I'm going for, my homie is full crit dmg, so I was thinking of ways to buff his dps (got bored of playing healer)

[cunning crescent]

quest?

[solar sable]

go Lavoisier then, you give him bonus armor so Wicked is not worth if going full support

[solar berry]

Wicked helps your personal dps

[solar sable]

try EP foam, so many AMPs going on with that

[queen mica]

thanks for the help @solar sable @solar berry !!!!!!

[solar sable]

just imagine: Opp, Scorpio, Survivalist AMP...

can we get a Project UnResolve to fix bad wording on talent descriptions?

[silver topaz]

can someone guide me on how to make this better

[solar sable]

put some CHC mods and rolls on your gear and Equalizer as chest

[silver topaz]

tryna find a half decent equalizier rn its a pain

i have chc mods and chd on everything

currently trying to find attachments too

[abstract canyon]

Hey all just got back to div 2 and I currently have a decent Striker, OD, and Core Strength build. What can ya'll pros recommend I build next that's gonna help me clear more of those heroic endgame stuff

[smoky latch]

Striker's - one for all

[ivory abyss]

You shouldnt need anything more than strikers to clear all heroic content so you dont need any builds to help clear anything since you have it

[abstract canyon]

is striker still the strongest go to DPS in the game?

[smoky latch]

Pretty much but has some competition from TS and ND, damage wise

[ivory abyss]

Its the easiest to use for what it offers

Plug and play for high dps

[abstract canyon]

Ayt Thankss!

[reef mortar]

playing skill damage build
should i active this or deactivate?

[smoky latch]

You should dismantle Waveform :p
If you wanna get seasonal journey benefits then enable it

[reef mortar]

lmao no way

[smoky latch]

😉

[reef mortar]

i do have only 1

[smoky latch]

Rather take a 2nd pc Hana-U

[reef mortar]

it took me like 12game countdown

[smoky latch]

Hang on

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vfhmvazeq14
Check this, might be up your alley

[reef mortar]

this build better than my current one?

[smoky latch]

Si. Waveform peak does more damage but realistically you won't do more damage with it on average

This build is almost redundant since Refactor exists. You'll do a little less damage with it but it repairs your and your team's armor

[reef mortar]

lets assume i dismantle it
it will give me item to put in the recombinant?

[smoky latch]

Refactor doesn't do more damage over the HE build; it's a little less damage but the armor repair is goated

[reef mortar]

ok am confused rn
should i am for refactor instead of the yellow set am using?

[smoky latch]

Nah go with the Hana-U named backpack for more damage, you get enough heals from the gear set itself

[reef mortar]

my memnto is shit

[smoky latch]

Summit challenges

[reef mortar]

i do have the blueprint dw thanks

how i can get capacitor
mine is 35

[smoky latch]

Either see if you can get a blueprint from Inaya in the WH or you might need to get a level 40 one to drop again

[reef mortar]

i get this one from dlc brooklyn

if i remember correctly

[smoky latch]

Usually Summit challenge

[abstract canyon]

do youg guys know where I can farm the ninjabike backpack

its the only one I havent gotten

[reef mortar]

countdown i got 2

make sure ur targeted loot on

the average from me is 7games per exotic

sooooooooooo good luck

[abstract canyon]

okok thank youuu ive been doing countdown as well, just have abysmal luck I guess hahahah

[reef mortar]

there is a way maybe is easier or harder idk but for sure more exp if u want exp is retalition

[abstract canyon]

ooohhhhh

[reef mortar]

kill squad respawn after each flag which is nice

[abstract canyon]

OH rikerssss right, that's in new york

[reef mortar]

idk lol

i thought the group come after each flag no?

i remeeber i got bullet king blueprint from them

[reef mortar]

check ur dm

[ionic marlin]

anyone here have a build that use 1, 2, or 3 max proto armor? I'd like to know how much armor that is (armor stat above 'health'), what 1 blue core proto equals armor-wise, 2 and 3.

[merry stone]

ks are random, they spawn sometimes and sometimes they dont

[subtle bluff]

Why...

"health"?

[ionic marlin]

no i'm not talking about health, I'm taking about the armor stats that's above the health stat on the left side when u open the inventory menu

[subtle bluff]

It's state I believe 1.5%

[subtle bluff]

You mean the bar?

[ionic marlin]

no u see the skill tier bar, above that is health stat, and above that is the armor stat, that's what I'm referring to

[subtle bluff]

This from the SS above. What are you talking about?

[ionic marlin]

778k

[subtle bluff]

You know what green one is indicating right.

[ionic marlin]

so is that adding on 1 max blue proto armor piece?

but that doesn't look right tho cause I was just in a grp with someone rocking an all red proto striker and the base armor was 917k

[subtle bluff]

Armor is what 165k? 1.5% more.

[ionic marlin]

what I'm asking is from 917k, what will the armor increase to if u add 1 pc with 1 blue max proto.

[cunning crescent]

capacitor can roll DTOC right?

[ionic marlin]

it can

[cunning crescent]

......30 rolls later still no luck

[hexed steppe]

Are you using cap for oxi build or for a hybrid skill dps?

[cunning crescent]

40 rolls later…..

[next dawn]

A decent roll

[cunning crescent]

Brutal

lol

Will be tryna optimize this for a week

[next dawn]

Need to optimize its like 6+ times

[nimble moss]

I mean the good new is next week there's an uncraft event

So you can get ur exos comp back faster 😅

[cunning crescent]

I need to make sure I hit 1k shd before Tuesday

Currently at 335

[subtle bluff]

Why?

You'll get there no matter what...

[cunning crescent]

Gotta take advantage of event.

[subtle bluff]

The armor value you're asking is "Total Armor"

[cunning crescent]

What I’m working on.

[subtle bluff]

um..

[smoky latch]

Oof

[next dawn]

Hm..

[subtle bluff]

I don't speak on CS builds..

[ionic marlin]

wouldn't use the bkpk, it doesn't give u any talent

[next dawn]

I dont touch them with a 10ft pole

[subtle bluff]

someone asked to build one what would I do.....

[cunning crescent]

Wanna see how far I can push the defender drone

[next dawn]

Say no?

[subtle bluff]

Yup. Every reason you'd build one there already a better version of the build.

Hybrid

[next dawn]

CS is questionable tbh not something I want to deal with lol

[ionic marlin]

@next dawn what wrong with cs?

[smoky latch]

CS is not really good for PvE higher difficulty content

[subtle bluff]

@ionic marlin This is where you find that total

[cunning crescent]

I just like to make different builds that I don’t see often

[subtle bluff]

I have tho builds.

[ionic marlin]

how so?

[smoky latch]

Because it's a hybrid build. It's nothing half and nothing full

[subtle bluff]

It's not good at anything but try to do everything..

[subtle bluff]

Saying half is being nice..

[next dawn]

It's a master of none

[cunning crescent]

I’m mostly tryna make PvP builds

[smoky latch]

Oooo that changes things

[subtle bluff]

Now that's a different story

[smoky latch]

You should mention that

[next dawn]

That's something I can work with

[subtle bluff]

I love context...

[next dawn]

Dont we all

[cunning crescent]

My server tag indicates my focus lol 😬

[subtle bluff]

I mean that's why #td2-pvp-discussions is round...

[cunning crescent]

This is also build discussion tho

But sure

[ionic marlin]

i suppose if u don't u the chest pc sure, but with it ur getting 75% passive stats without needing to have it rolled

[subtle bluff]

Just mentioning when you are focused on talking about PvP builds the PvP'er are all in there.

[smoky latch]

Irrelevant, it's alright up to solo heroic from what I have seen so far

However in PvP it's goated

[ionic marlin]

well i just cleared cap leg without any issues.

[smoky latch]

Solo?

[subtle bluff]

There isn't a build that mix cores and attributes that some other combination of gears can't do more from.

[ionic marlin]

in group

[subtle bluff]

ya I've carried some of the dumbest of builds thru any leggo. Doesn't mean there builds were good.

[smoky latch]

Either carry or took long I imagine

[ionic marlin]

no don't need any carrying thx u very much, don't know how long it was with randoms

everything rn is all strikers and that's just sad imo

[subtle bluff]

This guys thought his build was good...

I dragged him thru zoo...

but I have issues and for some reason like carrying bad people thru incursion and leggo...

[hexed steppe]

But scorpio bro

[subtle bluff]

But that SMG!

[next dawn]

I'm trying to understand the build

[soft crane]

Oh come on... another nbb.

[cunning crescent]

Noted. I figured the channel was all conflict and dz toxicity

[next dawn]

Oh no mostly just pvp build nerds

[subtle bluff]

PvP and PvE are very different.

[subtle bluff]

I mean if it's a clean clear does it matter?

[next dawn]

Im one of those pvp build nerds but im so old school lol got to catch up with the new stuff

[cunning crescent]

How many assessment mats do u get from control points?

[subtle bluff]

Leggo is suppose to be (till now) some the hardest content in the game.

[ionic marlin]

if i was a dev and I spend all this time, energy, resources, coming up with different builds and ideas, and the only build 99% of my player base was using after 7 years was just one build I'd be ashamed and feel like I failed.

[subtle bluff]

I mean Striker isn't the overall best DPS out there.

So they didn't fail fully in that thought.

[ionic marlin]

what else is out there?

[subtle bluff]

I don't use striker most of the time when carrying leggo

[hexed steppe]

Eventually that 99% will be running mortar... one day anyways

[subtle bluff]

TS, ND, OD, CoCo...

Asking that just shows you haven't tried out the other stuff out there or go to learn it.

No other build can do this..

[smoky latch]

Striker's is just really simple to play. On top, it's strong

[smoky latch]

These are also very strong but have different requirements

[ionic marlin]

so let me get this straight, I go try and learn cs, like using cs as a skill build, and just above u claim its sucks (in summary), now ur saying because I'm asking I'm not learning. how ironic. that's the issue with this game, not everyone has the time to delve into the mechanic of every build and when do understand a build, and use it they ostrasize for using because its not seen as acceptable. for me I'm not too keen on build that are too gimmicky like swapping wpns just gain buff of having to remember how many stacks I need or how many secs I have to use a buff.

didn't mean to write a paragrah, but just need to say all that

[hexed steppe]

Valid

[next dawn]

Respectable

[subtle bluff]

I don't disagree with that.
I am just saying you're thought of Striker is the only thing used is a typical player response that's always looking to do something different. Not saying that's you but I'm to use to it.

I know this because I am that person that doesn't like doing normal things but I know what it's need sometimes so I have to run it.

[hexed steppe]

I mean, most players doing dps are running strikers

What's the top build for escalation

?

[subtle bluff]

It's a big amount. Bigger now due to escalation.. it was nice before hand..

The last few patches since TS release was nice seeing different things compare with striker

[next dawn]

Well escalation has its own problems where it doesn't allow build diversity because some build dont meet the damage checks

But that's an irrelevant topic atm

[subtle bluff]

and I hate it.

[next dawn]

Also Local Deck general chat is getting weird I think you should check

[subtle bluff]

That thing use to be worse

[merry stone]

another server restart?

[next dawn]

Prototype drop chance got heavy buffed so I'm happy

Sacrificing corrupt to the devs paid off lol

[subtle bluff]

visual bug.

[smoky latch]

I could finally re-roll some augments by investing a reasonable amount of time playing

[next dawn]

Proto core are more abundant which I love

Chow can you explain why overdog isn't good for escalation?

[solar sable]

you have to prioritize other enemies that are not within ovd prio

[next dawn]

Hmmm

Alright ceska then

[subtle bluff]

Everyone having it on isn't good

one or 2 isnt bad

[next dawn]

Fenris or ceska

Actually nvm ik the answer

[subtle bluff]

.................................

[next dawn]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna hurt some players by saying this... I'm happy I can decon lex now.

[next dawn]

check out this first bloom I pulled

[ionic marlin]

ppl should just use what make them have fun playing, as long as they can hold their own weight in combat and isn't a liability, that's my rule. U can use whatever whack-ass build ur mind can combine and as long as we clear the mission and everyone had fun, then all is copacetic @next dawn u want to use overdogs use overdogs.

[subtle bluff]

It's crazy I"ve a few players with that

[next dawn]

ngl it was after like 100 keys

was really hoping for a god roll one but thats a .01% of 1%

[subtle bluff]

100% but the issue is player not understand that degree if there being liable or not.

[ionic marlin]

right, so u give the group a chance, if u wipe more than twice maybe question and help whoever is faltering rather than just leave or call their build stupid.

[next dawn]

I love my wacky builds

tho the damage is lackluster imo

pushing 2.0 mill a hit on full stacks is just not to my liking 😭

[subtle bluff]

I don't think you understand the pain for some reason I enjoy trying to drag any player thru a leggo or incurison.

95% of players would have left.

Even more that are knowledgeable.

[next dawn]

drag me through leggo and incursions 🙂

[finite zenith]

guys i got a build if anyones interested striker lex and overdogs,lmk if you want a tutorial

[little ferry]

ooh

[smoky latch]

Wow new meta?

[little ferry]

bro try a chest piece with that, its called equalizer

[finite zenith]

BRO I USING THAT WITH OBLITERATE XD

[next dawn]

please show the class what you learned

[livid sorrel]

see if it's like heroic it's fine, anything goes in heroic groups

but above that you're just making things hard for your teammates

[subtle bluff]

.....

[smoky latch]

lol

[subtle bluff]

If you how the dmg is counted.... That boss dmg is hurtful...

and by no means I'm top tier player I'm good enough... have enough knowledge to get me thru.

[next dawn]

knowledge is power as they say

[livid sorrel]

I've never seen anyone overflow on named enemy dmg jesus

[hearty orbit]

this means you did like 2.3 billion damage right?

[subtle bluff]

named? or overall?

[hearty orbit]

named

[subtle bluff]

I can't math it in my head atm

[next dawn]

but Chow you the math guy

[languid wasp]

@subtle bluff do you have build for 1886 too or is it pinned?

[subtle bluff]

Should be in pinned?

If not my bio has a build collection

[prime steppe]

whats good stats for the rave?

[next dawn]

Dtoc

[prime steppe]

?

[next dawn]

damage to targets out of cover

[prime steppe]

ahhh

thank you

[hearty orbit]

are you asking for the 3rd stat on the weapon or stats for a build?

[prime steppe]

3rd stat

cuz the 2nd is crit damage so i just wondering if its different or nah

[hearty orbit]

my understanding is that you basically want DTTOOC for everything but LMGs

[next dawn]

core attributes for weapons cant be changed

[subtle bluff]

TBH.. When using rav right it doesn't matter

[next dawn]

correct

[nimble moss]

Hey am I dumb, I thought a kneepad from petrov group with "damage to health" existed. A named one. Was is in my head ? xD

[next dawn]

probably thinking about the Hollow Men Mask

[gentle lichen]

A named damage to health item is hollowman mask

[solar sable]

ignore my non-functional brain saying shit

[next dawn]

Overlord Ahh moment

[nimble moss]

Which gear set was it ? I was sure about some that has lmg dmg haha but must be wrong then.

[solar sable]

hollow man is yaahl

[nimble moss]

Ah maybe it's why ok

Thanks guys !

[next dawn]

hmmm

what to improve?

[gentle lichen]

That mask

[next dawn]

indeed but 2 mod slots is quite good

[gentle lichen]

Less crit value than a ceska mask

And a blue core while using pgc?

[next dawn]

its a weird place holder atm

just trying to think

hmm alright ceska mask it is

or fenris hmmm

[smoky latch]

Run this

Universal HE AR build

[next dawn]

Mm but here's my concern I don't feel comfortable with keeping uptime of perfect vigil and don't see the need of the 3p bonus of UA what are some subs

[smoky latch]

Well that PDR has 50 rounds. Switch 1pc UA to GS then

If you keep using cover it's fine with PV uptime

[next dawn]

I'm a aggressive player so for me PV just doesn't work out haha

[smoky latch]

You can have both tho

[next dawn]

I could run sheild to off set that

[smoky latch]

Shield is just last resort at T0

[next dawn]

Well yeah decoy would be better

[smoky latch]

And preferably for long range combat

[next dawn]

I'll take your advice into consideration for what I want to do thanks

[smoky latch]

Can still run a Ceska bp with Unstoppable Force if you prefer that. But since you run PGC and can't take much anyway, (P)V makes just sense

[next dawn]

Hmm alright I see your point

[sharp folio]

Is there any other way to farm gear other than countdown if I don't have psn subscription at the moment?

[next dawn]

Retaliation

[solar sable]

Retaliatons

[smoky latch]

Summit and Retaliations

[solar sable]

ew Summit

[smoky latch]

Just giving options 😬

[sharp folio]

Ah alright then, I can't afford psn at the moment so just asking

[smoky latch]

All good 👍

[solar sable]

only ytbers enjoy summit... are you a ytber in secret?

[smoky latch]

I like it sometimes. Throw on my Tempest build and run it with nine directives

[solar sable]

I knew it was you all along!

[smoky latch]

What? 😄

[sharp folio]

Also would the builds from the spreadsheet work on consoles? I'm not sure honestly because of how weird it feels like to aim on a controller

[next dawn]

what about this (ignore mask attribute placeholder)

[smoky latch]

GS instad of Fox's

[next dawn]

Won't the 8% Amp lost be more detemental?

Than the 13% chd

[smoky latch]

It's not an amp

[next dawn]

Dtoc isn't an amp?

[shy willow]

No lol

It's a multiplier, which isn't necessarily an amp

[solar sable]

separate multiplier

[next dawn]

I was saying as as a multiplier

[shy willow]

Do you have dttooc on your gun?

If yes, fox's prayers dttooc is additive, not multi

[next dawn]

Yeah 15% but 8% more isn't bad

[lunar imp]

for group play with backfire and hunters fury is it worth using the backpack or the chest? if not what should i be using instead there

[next dawn]

Ah good to know

[shy willow]

Whether or not it's better just good to iterate it's not an amp, people often get them mixed up

[next dawn]

The more you know

[smoky latch]

CHD from GS gives you more damage. I've tried myself

[next dawn]

Alright

[next dawn]

So to be clear dtoc on weapons is mutiplictive while armor dtoc is additional?

[shy willow]

It's multiplicative if you have only one or the other

[next dawn]

Gotcha

[shy willow]

If you have multiple sources of the same damage multiplier they will add together

Amps are always unique multipliers and therefore always multiplicative

[next dawn]

So in this case it would be (15%+8%)

Which is what I thought

[solar sable]

which in the dmg formula would be:
1+0.23 = 1.23

I vaguely remember how Hutchler explained it

[next dawn]

I dont like the math part of this formula

[solar sable]

that's why I like meth instead

[shy willow]

Guitar twang

[next dawn]

I leave the math to the more math minded people

[restive vortex]

Guys so what’s the best prototype roll you can get on gear? I assume it is weapon damage right?

[raw pasture]

should i switch to equalizer chest and then run striker knees or just keep this going and try get echo on each peice of proto gear?

[languid wasp]

can anyone tell me what kind of gearset they're using? I only know Overdogs and Chainkiller

[next dawn]

Not a gear set prototype gear

[restive vortex]

Punch drunk, turmoil knee pads

[next dawn]

They has colorblind option on

[restive vortex]

looks like a standard headhunter build for farming xp tbh it’s just prototyped is all

[languid wasp]

I don't mind the prototype, just wanna know these names.
So Punch drunk and turmoil?

[grizzled loom]

They’re using the headshot build

[next dawn]

Drunk punk, headhunter, turmoil W&H backpack and Imminence Armaments holster

[languid wasp]

Yes..like there's hundreds of them. I wanna know their names which Dominic and Snow provided. Thanks agent.

[grizzled loom]

For a build like that, is it better to focus on headshot or crit damage

[next dawn]

It's not really an optimized headshot build

[restive vortex]

not even sure if turmoil is worth using on this build

[next dawn]

It's not

[languid wasp]

what should I swap with?

[restive vortex]

just look up ikia build spreadsheet and make a headshot build from there

[next dawn]

3 piece hotshot, headhunter, The gift and overdogs

The whole build is a scrap

[languid wasp]

aint like 3 pcs breaking point is better choice since it offers 25% rifle damage, 30% hs and 15% weapon handling?

Wait nvm

[long dove]

does the 1886 work with hotshot build or do i need breaking point set?

[next dawn]

It works

[languid wasp]

Idk the category for 1886

[long dove]

thnx, countdown set for rifles right?

[languid wasp]

im cooked

[next dawn]

Yup

[restive vortex]

Just pick one of the 3 builds I sent should all be good tbh

[languid wasp]

I LITERALLY DECONSTRUCT MY FOX PRAYER, GOD DAMN IT-

[restive vortex]

just target the brand in countdown it’s common

[languid wasp]

oh, good to hear.

[restive vortex]

Harvest is a DZ exclusive I think tho, you can get it from named chests

[next dawn]

Harvest is an seasonal exclusive

[long dove]

i have the one on the left and its all good rolls but im struggling a bit

[languid wasp]

@next dawn uh, I forgot these names 💀 little help-

the chest and backpack only

[restive vortex]

mf it says on the left what it is

[languid wasp]

WHERE- oh nvm, it's on upper left

[next dawn]

Zwiadowka brandset

[restive vortex]

Zwiedovka set

[next dawn]

Can you read the whole image before asking questions 😭

[languid wasp]

You know Division Agents greatest enemy is reading.

[next dawn]

Smh

[languid wasp]

Alright, thanks everyone.

[restive vortex]

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1LPnA18PDgGg_dEbNI1kZVTVIMGXNHQS_

this is all you need tbh, use it while it’s still relevant, won’t be getting updated anymore unfortunately

[languid wasp]

Will keep that in my mind

[short verge]

woohoo, my first prototype piece... on a gear set nobody uses, wahoo

[urban bay]

sends your best stricker build for escalade guys !

[subtle bluff]

It's in the striker guide

[urban bay]

where ?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[urban bay]

found it ty

[fierce ether]

Yo guys, chatterbox is unavailable now?

[grim bluff]

No you can still find the parts in hyena lockboxes

[patent fossil]

No change to chatterbox that I've heard, why would it have become unavailable?

[stone python]

First Proto

What do i do with it?

[toxic knoll]

Generally you shoot bad guys with it.

[stone python]

i mean the rolls and stuff

[toxic knoll]

It's proto, so it's locked as is.

[stone python]

cant reroll att?

[toxic knoll]

No we cannot reroll prototypes

[nimble moss]

You can only reroll attribute

[stone python]

dang so its rng based to get God roll DttoC

[patent fossil]

Yup

[nimble moss]

Or you prototype yourself

[patent fossil]

They mentioned possibly allowing limited recalibration in the future so probably work hanging onto until then

[stone python]

can you re roll augment?

[soft crane]

on another note, augment chances stacks between gears right?

And how much can you get if all of them are maxed?

[nimble moss]

Yes you can and yes it is

[soft crane]

lets say 8 same augments across 2 weapons and 6 gear pieces

[stone python]

2nd proto gear heartbreaker :/

[nimble moss]

1 weapon and 6 gears actually. But idk exact value lol

[stone python]

Whats the best augment for first bloom?

[soft crane]

someone here said either Echo or Amalgam which you already got

For offensive purposes

[nimble moss]

Echo for me for most straight dps build. But i could be wrong.

[stone python]

so i stuck with lower attributes no way i can optimize right?

[nimble moss]

Thats actually better than a normal one lol

Its the prototype bar you see. Évery prototype stat is always same or better than normal roll.

[stone python]

Useless right?

[weak quail]

On the foam launcher what’s the difference between ensnare health and ensnare duration? I leveled up mine to like 12 and use ensnare duration mod. Is health better?

[gentle lichen]

Health is useless for pve
Even in pvp just focus on duration no one shoots foam to break out of it

[weak quail]

Ok so the expertise upgrade is useless, thanks. Glad i stopped

[noble pelican]

Wasn't it possible to display it like normal, but with a blue overlay on the prototyped stats?
Because the current way to display it is awful for comparisons lol

[nimble moss]

Uh, I don't think so ? But maybe.
Yeah the current way is like... If the bar is at beginning it's a maxed roll for normal, but if it's at the end, it's a maxed roll for prototype upgrade lol. Kinda annoying the first time you see it.

[long dove]

the gift backpack only available in dz atm?

[gentle lichen]

Always been but you can acquire it through other means like named caches and reconstructed caches to get its blueprint

[long dove]

reconstructed only from descent?

[gentle lichen]

And retaliation

[long dove]

thanks which faction does drop the bp or is it random

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't work that way
Get faction mats from retal then turn them into broken shd watches then into reconstructed caches

[long dove]

ok appreciate the help

[fierce ether]

Yo guys, can i get the memento blueprint from countdown? Or just doing retaliations

[zinc granite]

Hey Folks, Im a new player of divsion and Im looking for the overdogs gloves for some builds. I know that it was accesible over the last seasonal pass but how can I farm it today?

[idle hawk]

Pretty sure you gotta do retal for blueprint. If you go to the crafting bench it tells you where to get most blueprints.

[idle hawk]

Got mine by farming Heyena retal target farming gloves

[grim bluff]

Can drop anywhere, but the BP is from hyena retaliation completion

[manic bough]

@subtle bluff Im soooo sorry mate but I got a response to my issue from last time 😄
My clan mate responded with the following:
Striker is TWD,not AMP
He then listed a bunch of sets saying those are TWD,the others are AMP,same with talents but he got most of them right in reference to that google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1925112187#gid=1925112187

[subtle bluff]

If he read to the right more...

[manic bough]

I also linked him that google doc,saying he should take reference from it and spreading misinformation isnt a good thing - i expect heavy backlash and a potential block/kick 😄

[subtle bluff]

If he understand the math. If it were TWD then the scaling with Obli chest wouldn't be as good.

[manic bough]

It probably ends in him dismissing my opinion because im not raiding/only have 1800SHD/whatever else

[subtle bluff]

Nah..

We can find you a better clan if need be

[livid sorrel]

The game just says wrong lmao, invite him here and see how long he lasts

[subtle bluff]

naw send him this. That'll get him confused.

[manic bough]

the community is good,not gonna let it get spoiled by just one individual 😄

[manic bough]

Im confused by that...what in the world? 😄

[subtle bluff]

hehe

[flint arch]

sir

[languid wasp]

wat

THE FACT THAT IT'S THE DAMN HEALING LAUNCHER 😭

[flint arch]

putting the combat in combat medic

[gentle lichen]

Aww

[subtle bluff]

I haven't posted this for awhile

[gentle lichen]

There

[languid wasp]

Mr Chow's brain must be studied to this point where he deals damage instead of healing.

[trim abyss]

ugh, rerolling augments is LAME

[hallow arch]

Omw to become striker main #172364

[soft crane]

yeye ahh striker

[outer wharf]

Has anyone figured out what builds go well with first bloom?

[lone glacier]

yeye ahh striker

[covert grail]

quick question, im just noticing this but on gear mods right , it says critical, dexterity and firearms. does that matter in a build or is it just a percentage on it

is there hidden stats in those subcategories

[junior lagoon]

Nope

[covert grail]

okay thank you

[shy willow]

Used to matter, now it doesn't

[thorny plover]

Any advice on what knee pads to go for? Or should i swap them out for another high end but different slot?

[short verge]

its pretty much damage amplify against healthy targets especially the ones with plate armor so any of your dps setups with ARs work

[shy willow]

What is this build for

[thorny plover]

Damage, not sure what you’re asking exactly

[urban latch]

general tip, right rolls are much more important than random max/prototype rolls

[shy willow]

The content you're planning on using it in

[thorny plover]

Eventually PvP, Ik that’s a long way away tho🤣

[thorny plover]

The rolls are pretty good apart from that 1 blue on the backpack

[shy willow]

Ohhh PvP is an entirely different meta to this

[urban latch]

A pvp build would be completely different

[thorny plover]

Damn, only been playing 5 days boys help me out

[shy willow]

I would start at the PVP guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[urban latch]

The backpack and your SMG at least

[shy willow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X87BwJv-I_58WAQh_bSDXRKNLBHTOi9Wtt4Bs6Pv7bY/edit?usp=sharing

Here

[thorny plover]

Takes me 25 cores now to reroll the smg🤣

[urban latch]

you shouldnt be rerolling that smg at all though

[thorny plover]

Why

[shy willow]

Waste of cores

[urban latch]

you want a good talent, better version of the gun, and damaage out of cover on the third stat

[thorny plover]

Best weapon I’ve got as of yet

[inland hound]

have you not gotten a lex from event yet?

[thorny plover]

That’s what the third stat is

[urban latch]

check out the pinned google doc and the striker guide inside there

[shy willow]

In that case you'd still want a better talent than vindictive tho

[fair dragon]

Seeing a new player asking about Prototype stuff just hurts.

[thorny plover]

Yes I’ve got 10

Best talent is streamline

[inland hound]

brother, its one of the best guns for striker dps. better then any proto you will randomly pick up

it comes god rolled, you change the talent to whatever you need.

using that mp7 over a lex, is a heinous crime

[thorny plover]

Lexington better?

[inland hound]

yes.

[shy willow]

Like raucey said prototypes aren't better than normal items if the rolls aren't good

[inland hound]

prototypes are a noob trap.

just because its looks shiny and cool, doesnt mean it will preform like a High end non proto gun

[thorny plover]

Buddy I’ve got 80 days on division 1, I don’t pick things because they’re shiny

[urban latch]

its honestly better than I first assumed, and its a solid gun overall, but a lex because of its range will be better overall

[thorny plover]

I don’t need the condescending attitude to learn😂

[urban latch]

If they ever introduce recalibration for prototype gear then it would be good to hang onto

[inland hound]

^^

[thorny plover]

Cheers for the input lads

[urban latch]

the 30 expertise basically brings it even with it having a near useless talent

[thorny plover]

25 cores is pricey tho

[urban latch]

your just rerolling the augment though, which I wouldnt worry about for awhile

[inland hound]

^^

[urban latch]

get the basics right first before you start spending those resources

If it costs 25 now youve already spent a good amount on it

[thorny plover]

What would you focus on if you were me? Proto striker?

[shy willow]

Not in the slightest😭

Forget prototypes just focus on getting the right pieces

[thorny plover]

That’s why people ask questions mate

[thorny plover]

I had the right pieces, I have the proto on because it’s better than what I had

[junior lagoon]

Is anyone using "ranger" talent in escalations?

[red trail]

You could swap Kneepads, Gloves, & Mask here.

But i assume you wanna stay with the prototype on.

Coyotes is meh , better for when you’re on a team nowadays. Overdogs would help you more.

Don’t really need the striker chest.

Deff better-in-slot holsters available.

[shy willow]

Your bag has a blue roll

[thorny plover]

Normal striker bag had a bad attribute anyway

[shy willow]

Hence farm a better one😭

[urban latch]

Ill go back to navals very first question, what is this build for? If its for low tier escaltion, regular heroic missions or less, then I would try to get a good chest with obliterate.

If your trying to setup for high tier escalation, like 6+, then stick with the chest and get a MK46 with frenzy and CHC

If your trying to make a pvp build its going to be something completely different.

The build system in this game is great because theres not 1 single build for everything, it depends what your using it for

[shy willow]

Chasing prototypes is just asking to get burnt out on the game before expertise 30😭

[thorny plover]

Mate idk why this is so funny to you🤣 how far did you get 5 days in?

[red trail]

using Smg & LMG id say to slot something like Contractors for more LMG damage, using SMG sparingly, or say screw the SMG, put an AR on, and then wear the Salvo Holster, with Overdogs to compliment.

10% increase to Big Jalapeño isn’t anything

[urban latch]

Honestly after tuesdays update, with how often things are dropping, go for it when its targeted loot. Gearset gear especially. droprates are absolutely busted right now

[red trail]

the DMG to Armor is tho

[shy willow]

If you go to countdown you can have a great template ready within the hour, id suggest going there

[thorny plover]

That’s why I was farming proto, just waiting for an escalation with striker targeted

[thorny plover]

Cheers

[thorny plover]

Not too sure what I’ll be using it for, my main dps build I suppose

[red trail]

Try to stick to Range striker, AR + LMG

[thorny plover]

Lexington it is then

[red trail]

^^^

[inland hound]

Very good setup without use of exotic

[red trail]

Yup, exactly like he has it lol

[urban latch]

save loadouts, youll be using different setups once you get used to things

[red trail]

you don’t NEED Lexington

[minor grove]

Did ur quickstep ever get fixed?

[thorny plover]

What’s that 2 piece?

[inland hound]

unit alloy, equalizer chest salvo holster

[thorny plover]

What’s it do?

[red trail]

Rate of Fire + 20% AR dmg

[thorny plover]

Prob best I have for AR

I use the Alejandro to get stacks up

[inland hound]

huh

[red trail]

oh then nvm 😂 i use FAL even tho i have 3 god roll Lexingtons

[inland hound]

big al is good, but you cant mod them with attachments

[minor grove]

Prototyping quickstep did not give it a max attribute I haven’t found anyone that has gotten it fixed

[thorny plover]

I have proto first bloom

[red trail]

Big Jalapeño should be the star of the show with secondary AR support

[minor grove]

That gun is insanely good I got almost god rolled with target out of cover

[inland hound]

oh no, mines still bugged im missing a max stat aswell but i never bothered to look into it

[haughty harness]

Big What!?

[minor grove]

Right I mean it’s not a big deal but also kinda use it randomly lol

[thorny plover]

Mine isn’t that good, 18.7 weapon damage, 26.5 health damage, 12 damage out of cover

[minor grove]

21.5 28 and 13… max striker stacks I peak at 35 mil dps

[red trail]

Big Quesadilla

[minor grove]

Big margarita

[red trail]

Big Enchilada

[thorny plover]

Can’t believe I’ll have to start a completely new build for PvP, div1 wasn’t this complicated🤣

[red trail]

Div 1 was 100% more complicated

[thorny plover]

Bro are you crazy

[red trail]

No targeted loot

[thorny plover]

Build wise tho, it was much more of a grind obviously

[red trail]

never knew what max stats were until data mine

every stat was RNG

[sharp folio]

Could someone give me a build I could use for solo on a console?

[red trail]

Meta changed every Title Update, had to make new builds

[shy willow]

Until they added 6 pieces and completely destroyed any semblance of balance

[red trail]

Basically

[trim abyss]

SO is strikers chest better than equalizer for higher tier escalation?

[red trail]

imo, no

[lone wadi]

yes

[flint arch]

yes

[trim abyss]

I feel like at that point, it would be better to just run tipping scales would it not?

[red trail]

on paper yes

[lone wadi]

anything t6+ you can pretty comfortably stack

[flint arch]

tipping scales has slightly lower damage output than Striker. also TS loses stacks extremely fast

[red trail]

^

[lone wadi]

but tipping is still usable if you wanna use it for higher

[shy willow]

At a certain point absolutely

[thorny plover]

Why are pvp builds so different?

[red trail]

because you don’t need that much dmg

[lone wadi]

Because you don’t play against npcs

[shy willow]

You're fighting players

Much higher emphasis on survivability

[thorny plover]

Everyone is a glass cannon so you need armor is what I’m hearing

[lone wadi]

You need a balance

[thorny plover]

That’s what I mean

[shy willow]

Alternatively toss bighorn on and have a stupid amount of both

[red trail]

no, lack of quick survival options (e.g booster shot + medkit) made wearing more armor meta

[thorny plover]

Literally what I said then

[red trail]

everyone is not glass cannon tho

[shy willow]

Quite the opposite even

[thorny plover]

More emphasis on no heals right

[shy willow]

Everyone is tanked up to the brim aside from some more cheesy setups

[red trail]

2.2m armor
55 crit chance
150+ crit dmg will clap

[red trail]

yes, until armor regen & core strength helped push

[thorny plover]

Do you find everyone’s in a squad in dark zone? Or a lot of solos too?

[minor grove]

Big taco soup

[azure ice]

For the equalizer chest, should TL be on chest or unit alloys?

[flint arch]

the brand always

[azure ice]

Ok thanks

[long dove]

which one is stronger version mine or the one in docs but says outdated?

[long dove]

my build is the one on left

[shy willow]

The one on the left will probably be more effective just by virtue of having overdogs

[long dove]

thanks

[soft crane]

I saw 2 kinds of MMR/Rifle builds so far, the ones with Breaking Point and Hotshot. Which one deals the highest damage or the most effective?

[flint arch]

hotshot is better for pure MMR
breaking point lets you use both but it will be worse.

main thing is that hotshot gives a lot of WH, breaking point doesn't

[dapper glacier]

let me change my pfp 😒

[long dove]

bro send me yours that cat was better than mine

[long dove]

wat about the chest equalizer is good cuz im at low CHD but i get stacks from the set if i use glass cannon would be more dmg?

[atomic pebble]

I am looking for a replacement for Striker Memento.
I am thinking of investor. I am not collecting Memento stacks during combat in harder content.
Here is the build with memento and with investor.

[lone wadi]

What harder content are you talking about

[atomic pebble]

Here are the rolls I have for investor. I was thinking about going with skill tier1 for it to be similiar to memento. So my crusader shield does something still.

[atomic pebble]

Anything heroic and beyond. I don't find my self going from corpse to corpse never. I kill them, then move.

I always kill them from far

[lone wadi]

you ca definitely do that still in heroic, anything past like escalation raids and incursion you wouldn’t use momento or investor anyway for striker

[narrow iris]

Best exotic ar for a DPS build?

[soft crane]

Elmo

[narrow iris]

Any good builds for eagle bearer with how's it's nerfed now

[flint arch]

just put it on Striker and accept that it will be a worse elmo

[grizzled garnet]

statistically best i think Lexington
realistically st elmos is good enough

[flint arch]

lexington isn't an exo

[grizzled garnet]

mb. i thought they just said AR 😩

[flint arch]

technically strega has the highest damage potential. but its a FAL

chameleon is close behind, but that shit's just a SMG pretending to be an AR, and the damage talent is a bit annoying to proc

i think agitator might be a good option tho

though it's better as a secondary

[stone python]

how do i get sherif exotic?

[halcyon sentinel]

what gear set good with bluescreen?

[stone python]

Tipping scales i think

[long dove]

negotiator dillema for status/dps look above i just sent my build

[halcyon sentinel]

and uh, what the stat for hb build? like the core attributes

[storm prairie]

what is the max stat prototype example weapon damage ?

[shy willow]

Always 1.5x the original max value

[storm prairie]

ty

mr naval

[narrow iris]

anyway to farm lexington currently?

[grizzled garnet]

the cherry blossom event

[narrow iris]

from the caches? noted

[grizzled garnet]

yes

https://news.ubisoft.com/en-us/article/1cRsqdPUVfrYRC7ognCiDg/play-the-division-2s-cherry-blossom-event-today

[eager blaze]

im re-rolling my bluescreen what attribute am I looking for?

[noble pelican]

• "Made for high tier escalation" build showcase.
• Looks inside
• Minigunner dies in like 2 mags, at ~380k damage per shot only

Somebody make a list of YouTubers I can just block at this point.

[grim bluff]

Crit chance

[eager blaze]

thank you

[noble pelican]

Anything with out-of-cover wants crit chance, otherwise out-of-cover, pretty much.

[tulip pollen]

it'd be more efficient to make a list of greenlit youtubers 🤣

98% are clickbait

[grim bluff]

It's also that it comes with fixed attachments, where on other LMGs you'd adjust them to crit chance/crit damage, so you need to make up that shortfall on the attribute

[narrow iris]

Thank you

[smoky latch]

Create a whitelist, less work lol

[noble pelican]

Other LMG's would also want crit chance to begin with. You pretty much just miss out on some with Bluescreen in comparison that you can't "make up" with it's roll.

[civic meteor]

Is it just me or is the Lexington a little underwhelming or am I not using it right

[smoky latch]

Aren't you the Oxpecker fetishist?

[civic meteor]

I got rid of it don’t worry

[smoky latch]

😂

Lex amongst a few other ARs are the best overall ARs

[civic meteor]

Decent gun but not like optimally for anything more than legendary

Or legendary itself

[civic meteor]

Maybe I’m just a hater

I’m using a chameleon now and I’m getting around 430k damage with strikers

[smoky latch]

Run a strong build, throw a damage talent on it and you're all set

[civic meteor]

Mm

[civic meteor]

Did I show you my most recent build?

[lone wadi]

thats kinda low

[lost wren]

4 blues really tanks your dps, most go for all red

[smoky latch]

Too much blue, otherwise solid

[civic meteor]

I know it’s a lot of blue

I think as I prototype the equalizer and the salvo I’ll see where my damage is when I get there

[smoky latch]

Won't do much

Prototype items aren't the holy grail

Keep two blues, drop two. Should be enough for survivability. Adapt to the NPCs, practice a while and you'll get used to it

[civic meteor]

True but I can still add like another 14-15% weapon damage just by getting those good rolls

[civic meteor]

I’ll try that thanks

The main thing is I rush with my shield a lot

I keep the armor cores mainly for the shield tiers than anything

[smoky latch]

Don't forget, this is a tactical cover based shooter

Builds allow only for so much JERONIMO

[lone wadi]

if this is heroic you can still rush with all reds

slap momento on n go crazy

[halcyon sentinel]

hb with turmoil and memento a good one?

[smoky latch]

Hell no

You already do not much damage with HB, Turmoil on top reduces your TTK even more

[summer flax]

I know nobody asked but yea i went wit tipping scales + bluescreen (my fav LMG) and im finally doing millions of damage. ❤️

[narrow iris]

whats the highest mag size mod for ar, 20 or 30?

[smoky latch]

+20 rounds, -10% reload speed

[summer flax]

think my next build is a pestilence build.

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.84510325k0as

[trim abyss]

do augments from your secondary and pistol stack? or do they have to be equipped to be active?

[summer flax]

NICE. i have the tipping scale working on rn. easy to slot in. thanks!

[smoky latch]

No, only the active/equipped weapon counts on top of your gear

[trim abyss]

Thats what I thought, I saw some people trying to say it stacked and I thought it didnt work like that

[smoky latch]

Those ppl sniff glue in their spare time

[covert hatch]

are there any builds that a 4 red roll investor is best in slot in? or is it just worse than other options

[smoky latch]

There is no build where it would be BiS in PvE, no.
Coyote's is still a tad better IIRC

[pallid spoke]

30% crit damage isn't all that worse than other options.

[smoky latch]

I'd rather use 1pc GS and a better exotic

[pallid spoke]

coyote's is just too range dependent for me. Better for group play for sure tho.

[covert hatch]

yeah idk the crit damage doesent seem like enough per red, maybe 12% would be better

[smoky latch]

I'd imagine it holds up decently in PvP but for PvE it's not enough

[pallid spoke]

aside for coyotes any suggestions on a better exo? I'm surprised 30% CHD doesn't hold up in PvE

[smoky latch]

Overdogs

[pallid spoke]

on top of the other minor attr you get from it like CHC and Hanlding

makes sense I guess, since it's a separate amp damage.

[halcyon sentinel]

oh ok, i was just thinking to use it just for the stat stick not the talent

[fleet gulch]

For Core Strength, do people replace the backpack with Memento generally, or do people rather get a beneficial effect from a different exotic?

[smoky latch]

If you really wanna go HB check this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeLeb8_c6w6DY-0qwVuKUfaCjp27f9wrv0_H6g2Ah98/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.96rmu8ogf3lt

Similar:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1og9FWqIfhTr3Wo-il3GN5Iq7gHEG3EQdj0ZtkHIZAmY/edit

[merry lake]

What is the best way to get the armor mods maxed? Like Crit Chance and Crit Damage mods?

[vernal wing]

Overdogs, dodge city with Harvest/Prophet/Regulus, memento

[smoky latch]

There isn't really one. I don't recommend actually farming them as it'll drain your sanity. Play on heroic and legendary content and they will drop eventually. To increase your chances a little bit you might try to farm Summit floor 10 on legendary

[merry lake]

I havent played since 2020 and its been a struggle to understand this new content

[halcyon sentinel]

what the attribute for the gear?

[summer flax]

Just to confirm, Overdogs exotic gloves can drop from Hyena's outposts right?

[pallid spoke]

hyena retals

[summer flax]

i see ok

[vernal wing]

They can randomly drop with gloves targetted loot.

The blueprint comes from the retal.

[summer flax]

alrightie thanks

[smoky latch]

CHC/CHD only. CHC close to cap of 60%, rest into CHD

[halcyon sentinel]

3 blues and 3 red?

[smoky latch]

Up to you, personal preference. But the more armor cores you use, the less DMG you do

Especially in group play you'll shoot marshmellows with too many blue cores

[plush cloak]

Prototype first bloom or non-prototype Lexington for all red strikers with overdogs?

[pallid spoke]

Been enjoying My Proto First Bloom personally.

[lusty sapphire]

Any good suggestions on a high end dps build

[stone python]

main and core att + augment?

[pallid spoke]

20% ard, 28% hd, 13% chc, echo augment

[solar sable]

weapon is up to you

[merry lake]

Any idea why I am worthless on Heroic/Top Difficulty?

[solar sable]

low CHC, drop Strikers chest for Legendary and use Equalizer/The Sacrifice (use it only for high Tier Escalations)

[smoky latch]

Yeah that's a good start

Other players also might have expertise maxed out which you'll notice slightly

[merry lake]

Do tell

What is max? 10? im at 6 atm

[stone python]

30%

[smoky latch]

Expertise 30

[subtle bluff]

Stop worrying about exp your gear.
Don't waste all the mats for it

If anything on weapons.

[merry lake]

What should I do with the gear instead? I usually pick everything up as junk the just donate all

[solar sable]

that's it

[merry lake]

Sorry i am a lil confused havent played since Y5 what do you mean?

[solar sable]

just don't focus on the wrong stuff which in this case is Expertise and don't waste materials applying Expertise levels to your gear

[merry lake]

Lol I dont even know how to waste mats on the levels. Didnt know that was a thing

[flint arch]

no if you don't have expertise 30 on everything your build is bricked and doesn't work so waste it all now

/j

[pallid spoke]

Only reason to expertise gear is if you're planning to proto it.

[astral nexus]

Is it a good idea to just donate the gear you were going to junk?

[normal shadow]

Absolutely. The stuff you don't need you first donate to expertise and then scrap the rest.

[robust yarrow]

This is what I usually run

[keen plank]

Is frenzy better than measured on a lmg? On my strikers build. Using it for higher tiers escalations

[flint arch]

yes. it'll take some getting used to though

[keen plank]

Nice. What lmg is best for frenzy? Mg5 or the 100 mag lmgs?

[lone wadi]

mk46 or gr9 r both good

[flint arch]

make sure to not use any mag size mods on the gr9 if you plan to use that

[vague merlin]

What do y'all think. Belstone + Memento or Imminence + Ninjabike.

[violet saddle]

I think for my tp build theres a mag that increases chd

[tepid flume]

Is Turmoil a good option to replace Overdogs on Strikers or should I just metamaxx

[stone python]

So the +30% weapon damage is unlocked once i hit expertise 30?

[haughty harness]

Turmoil is thrash

[inland hound]

turmoils are very useful for lower level ad clearing, but higher content like legendary/escalations it falls off.

i made a build with turmoils/negotiators and i absolutely NUKE heroic content for random players when i call for backup

[lone wadi]

no its already there

[tepid flume]

I’ll just slot it on the funny Diamondback build and the BS + ND build 4 Retals then

[fierce ether]

Best way to farm expertise is farming countdown putting mod targeted loot and just scrapping?

Taking filaments and just donating?

[stone python]

Proto Festive delivery 🙁

[narrow iris]

Can you proto gear after one level of expertise

[hazy steeple]

@narrow iris An item needs to be Expertise 30 in order for you to "proto" it, or you can get a drop from an Escalation mission and you don't need to be Expertise 30.

[inland hound]

atleast it rolled with the atomize augment lmao fits perfectly.

[atomic pebble]

Which Augment is better?
Double damage chance or random status effect chance?

[inland hound]

if your a dps striker echo anyday, status build status chance of course

[atomic pebble]

I be strikin lately

[inland hound]

echo is your go to (i have all echo on my gear and i love it)

[lone wadi]

having 1 amalgam for qol stun is so nice

[maiden temple]

ok I have a very frustrating situation, I have a build that's supposed to reach 3 million armor (first screenshot) and then I played the darpa research labs escalation mission and saw my build only had 2.7 million armor. I didn't switch anything at all. I have cloud armor selected for my active modifier and the passives are in the second screenshot. This is the second time this has happened where my armor just decides to be less than what it's supposed to be. The only reason why I'm so frustrated at this is because I did the math and I should be at 3.3 with my current setup (third screenshot). I genuinely have no idea what's going on here

[flint arch]

enemies have hostile modifiers that reduce your module stacks or set them to 0 outright

you can see this in the modifier menu

[maiden temple]

yea but like, I'm chilling in the white house after messing with the modules and it's still saying 2.7, when before I was building everything it said 3 mil in the menus

[flint arch]

did you revert your modifiers to what they were after messing with them

[inland hound]

You can squeeze out more HSD or armor with these mods

Vice versa you can get even more armor and lessen the HSD

[maiden temple]

yup, I removed them entirely and put them back and I only got to 2.7 mil again

[flint arch]

then im not sure, if you're in the white house the only possible explanation for losing armor is if your modifiers are not actually what they were

also i am generally more concerned about the build im seeing here but whatever

[pallid spoke]

Try re-equipping ninja bikes

[maiden temple]

I did that like 3 times and still nothing-

[inland hound]

Even more armor, and more HSD then you have. Try them out.

[maiden temple]

EHEHEHEHE
(this build does mid 500ks)

[flint arch]

complete reliance on first bloom talent and whatever the hell that shroud is doing there

[maiden temple]

It's there in case there's a beefy boi out of reach xD
And if I wanna dome some random guy with a few million damage-

[maiden temple]

My cloud armor is max level btw

[inland hound]

your missing a base 4stacks from not leveling up an active modifier

[maiden temple]

you're on optimize overload interesting

[inland hound]

(i banshee pulse spam on cooldown)

[maiden temple]

xD

[inland hound]

hotswap BTSU gloves pop a banshee, use the optimize overload after the first one ends and re pop it. Endless crowd control 👁️ 🫦 👁️

[flint arch]

To maximize the original stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Split (desired module) Nullify
To maximize a converted stat boost of a module:
Compress (desired module) Nullify Convert 1/2 (desired module, desired stat)
The order of the modifiers matter, except for Convert 1/2.

[maiden temple]

ooooooo

My thing is like, I had 3 mil with that original setup, but now I just don't for some reason. That's what's confusing me so much here

[maiden temple]

definitely gonna keep this in mind though

[inland hound]

the numbers mason, what do they meannnn

[flint arch]

anyway nicest thing i'll say about your build is that you'll eventually be able to clear heroic. eventually.
check the spreadsheet in the pins for builds that will work beyond that

[maiden temple]

eventually?-
I play on heroic normally and have used this silly build on legendary and had tons of fun

[flint arch]

you do you i guess

[subtle bluff]

How long does it take for you to solo a heroic mission with it?

In legendary that build doesn't contributing too much to other than living.

[viscid plaza]

What would you consider the BIS Striker build not using exotics in any slots?

[subtle bluff]

PGC Vig

[viscid plaza]

I thought Striker chest gives access to the highest dmg, without a crazy drawback

[subtle bluff]

Having to stack it to 200 is the drawback

[viscid plaza]

In Escalation, you require that dmg

[subtle bluff]

Context..

[next dawn]

Stockbroker go brrrrrrr

[subtle bluff]

There is no Best Overall build in general.

[viscid plaza]

I agree, there's different content

[maiden temple]

How? I usually 2 man legendary with this build and me and my partner do it in like 45-55 minutes. I'm usually the one that deals with the elite snipers and BT dogs/mini tanks

[subtle bluff]

Escalation Striker is different.

[viscid plaza]

Lets say for Escalation

[subtle bluff]

I would like to see a run of that.

[viscid plaza]

Like I figure the striker chest and bag are stapled to the build, but what would the rest look like?

[subtle bluff]

Striker Guide has the builds out.

[lone wadi]

ceska/hollowman/overdogs/contractors

[maiden temple]

I don't just have a clip of a run on hand-

[viscid plaza]

I gave the really cringe condition of no exotics

[lone wadi]

just take overdogs out then no biggie

[silent grove]

not all builds need exotics

[viscid plaza]

So raw weapon dmg is more important than stacking crit

[subtle bluff]

Well next time if you don't mind because to me that's a claim. Are you doing it in one run or a few wipes?

[maiden temple]

One run typically

[sage leaf]

Last time we ran it we wiped once in boss and that was it (District union)

[viscid plaza]

@maiden temple Next time you do a run you can clip it and impress some strangers on discord

[maiden temple]

And yea I'll try and record it

[maiden temple]

Impress strangers??? HELL YEA

[subtle bluff]

I guess also is this with modifiers or GEs?

[subtle bluff]

You need both.

[subtle bluff]

It's explained in the striker guide.

[viscid plaza]

I figure, so when I see builds like this I feel visceral pain because what is the balance between stacking weapon dmg and stacking crit

[viscid plaza]

I could do that, but sometimes what is strong in game moves faster than the spreadsheets

[subtle bluff]

"Stacking WD" what do you mean by that?

I swear...

[subtle bluff]

sometimes people are on it...

I don't say at a chance because it's there...

[viscid plaza]

Bc it seems like if you're running any combo of what I replied to, you're sacrificing a Ceska or Grupo piece. Is that worth? Like in that case why wouldn't 2 UA not be better and 4 striker

Or just contractors fox's

[next dawn]

look at this funny build

[minor grove]

hey thats me

[subtle bluff]

it works! I'd go ceska in there instead.

Also not a ACS12 2nd

I think... idk the number for 10 CHC on weapon how much you have.

[next dawn]

You gonna fight with INF bout that one

[viscid plaza]

This is like the representation of my confusion, the crit is there, gloves amp, 2 UA amp, GC VG amps. This is strong for burst in heroic. What are the best pieces from this that get converted into say a conventional striker Esc build.

[subtle bluff]

FINE. I'll go look at the guide for you.

[viscid plaza]

W

[silent grove]

lol

[subtle bluff]

there

[viscid plaza]

Well the point for me isn't give me the build. I want to understand why its the best

For example what is the appeal for the hollow mask, does DTH scale really well on these ballooned health pools in Esc?

Then I would think, why does that scale well, but the first bloom PDR seems like a brick

[lone wadi]

yes there are so many reds and purples

and prototype hollowman is 21% dth

with dmg reduction they are extremely tanky, not to mention chungas and dogs

[viscid plaza]

Like a guaranteed roll

[subtle bluff]

This is what I mean.

[lone wadi]

yes

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man is only good in this build if it's prototyped, at least for the higher tier Escalations. DtH is a multiplier, yes

[next dawn]

I said no to INF

[viscid plaza]

Ty for the learning, this is why I annoy MrChow

[subtle bluff]

Your question was a build....

[smoky latch]

He's tripping, he forgot his own advice

[viscid plaza]

And you guys have been super helpful

[next dawn]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

too many context are being conufsed here for me..

[flint arch]

shiet

[smoky latch]

Upgrade next then

[viscid plaza]

but then why is this new PDR so poopy

[smoky latch]

I dare say you're fine without haha

[flint arch]

once im done with the sunk cost fallacy on my Gift (not even what I should be using here, it should be Ceska)

[subtle bluff]

Frenzy is highest DPS output bar none.
Hollow Mask DTH when Proto give a big enough number.

[smoky latch]

It should be alright on chungas and proxies

[subtle bluff]

RPM

[viscid plaza]

So I have 4 slots locked down

Striker chest and bag, MK46 Frenzy and Hollow

[subtle bluff]

Then go Ceska like the guide points out.

[viscid plaza]

and then Stack Broker BnF

[subtle bluff]

if you're not wanting to deal with Overdogs

Guide....

[smoky latch]

Ye Česká is needed, Overdogs isn't

[viscid plaza]

We are manufacturing a build with the guide my friend

[lone wadi]

its not likely you will get a chance to stack with stock broker

[subtle bluff]

I mean....

[lone wadi]

better secondary will be agitator, scorpio, ravenous

[viscid plaza]

Now is my sunken cost fallacy

[subtle bluff]

So many choices.

[viscid plaza]

True

[flint arch]

well i managed to get through a t10 with it so i guess

[smoky latch]

Nice

[warm lagoon]

What mods do i put in the artificer hive?

[subtle bluff]

At least you not qq that there are no escalation builds with armor.....

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't really matter fo artificer

[smoky latch]

It makes sense to have one version with DtA too

[warm lagoon]

Thats what I was looking at, didnt seem lile there were any specific for it

[subtle bluff]

I think kind of the same thought goes into the Contractor is the same with Overdogs.

[viscid plaza]

dmg is king, more armor means more time to die

[flint arch]

but sir there's this youtuber that told me this fully prototyped aegis core strength foundry bulwark nbb build with 6 blue cores and max quantum augments absolutely shreds destroys obliterates dominates decimates trivializes tier 11 escalation

[viscid plaza]

just stack threat

[subtle bluff]

it does nothing at higher Teir just someeone else was asking for builds for escalation pointed to the guide then he qq none of them had blue cores.

[inland hound]

No exotics hits like a truck in all content

[subtle bluff]

is there a youtuber claiming that CS is "meta" yet?

[viscid plaza]

I'm gonna have to run one blue core, the fkass DZ east hollow mask is rolled armor core

[flint arch]

idk but there has to be at least one

[smoky latch]

Yes

[flint arch]

i don't need to fully proto my PVGC Striker build, but i want to, and i will do it

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

You proto a BnF lex. How does it feel? I just got BnF for AR in my library.

[flint arch]

good until i realize i forgot to refresh B&F for several minutes

[silent grove]

ik who that is even with the scribble lmao

[subtle bluff]

It's just helpful for starting

[flint arch]

also if it turns out to be bad please blame dien, he convinced me first

[subtle bluff]

I called it being a thing.

I know he'd use it for animation canceling reloads.

[flint arch]

"average" player btw

[subtle bluff]

The

I'm the one running a HW support build in T10 atm..

[flint arch]

[tall jackal]

Anyone know what BiS is for OD? Tink, Coy, Overdogs or what?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on content. Tinkerer is just simpler.

[tall jackal]

Uh mainly group play

OD not really my cup of tea for solo

[subtle bluff]

How hard?

[silent storm]

Who's the Math Guru? We using these instead of OvD?

[lone wadi]

maybe if you had crit on it

[subtle bluff]

or scroll up

[silent storm]

Scroll up to where?

[viscid plaza]

Schizo question, all weapon types have the same swap speed?

[subtle bluff]

What content?

[tall jackal]

Heroic, retals mostly

[subtle bluff]

Stats wise or internally?

[silent storm]

I have the CHC needed

[viscid plaza]

I'd imagine internally, I understand swap speed is a stat

[subtle bluff]

You have and needed?

internally there all different.

The internally numbers are rather vague.

[lone wadi]

so youre missing chd then

[silent storm]

120

[lone wadi]

coulve been 138

or even just 132 lol

[silent storm]

Well with OvD obviously it's better

[subtle bluff]

It's really gonna depend how you want to play OD. There's a bunch of diferent ways to play OD with Tinkerer, Overdogs works great too.

[lone wadi]

no with crit dmg contractors bro

[silent storm]

SO farm CHC or CHD Contractors then

[tall jackal]

Ya that's what I mainly been playing with Tink and Overdogs. I like both wanted to see if their was a specific BiS

[lone wadi]

idek what youre sayin bruh

[subtle bluff]

If you know how to hold/prep Frenzy can be super good. Put the Frenzy in your primary and use Sadist in the secondary till the right time where you can just spam it all the time.

[silent storm]

What is the cutoff for Contractor's to overtake OvD on WD?

[subtle bluff]

or just reroll what you have..

[silent storm]

They are Proto

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't.....

[subtle bluff]

ah I didn't see till I looked again

[silent storm]

I thought that Proto Contractor's had a limit where they are better to use than OvD

[subtle bluff]

If Overdogs is active even for half of your total encoutner Nothing beats it.

[smoky latch]

https://youtu.be/RJz5R4BMMNM?si=bYAQg9g_FbZgg9xs

[subtle bluff]

30 AMP...

[smoky latch]

https://youtu.be/MlolYLbmZvg?si=k3NefUSJuZaC2McR

[subtle bluff]

what are you linking

[silent storm]

Toasty vid

[subtle bluff]

I haven't even watched this..

[silent storm]

I watched that already

[smoky latch]

Toastey's explanation why no Overdogs

[subtle bluff]

LOL... Same thought I'm sure..

[lone wadi]

toasty already said what chow said basically

[smoky latch]

And why some Escalations are better run with DtA instead of DtH

[smoky latch]

Well there is your reasoning

[silent storm]

See but he was using Contractor's and dropped the Hollow Man in another vid I think it was Brooklyn mission

[smoky latch]

And he mentions why, which makes sense. Due to factions

[silent storm]

SO I wanted to ask the Math guys where the cutoff is, I know about the armor aspect